# 2025-10-03 LIVE DEBATE \[God is Imaginary\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 4 Jan 2026, 4 h 15 min.

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## Transcript

[0:06] Speaker 1: All right, friends, I think we are live on YouTube.
[0:11] Speaker 1: We'll give me one second. We'll go live on TikTok.
[0:14] Speaker 1: Should be live on TikTok. Now, if you give me
[0:18] Speaker 1: another second, I'll make sure that the guest boxes are open.
[0:29] Speaker 1: Guest boxes are open. Me one second to set up
[0:34] Speaker 1: the guest box for the right video format. There we go.
[0:40] Speaker 1: We should be ready rock and roll. Welcome in friends. Hey,
[0:43] Speaker 1: it's Friday night. It's good to see everyone. I hope
[0:46] Speaker 1: you're having a great night tonight. I hope you've got
[0:50] Speaker 1: a good weekend planned. I think it's uh. I think
[0:52] Speaker 1: it's good weather this weekend. And I hope you're ready
[0:55] Speaker 1: for a little bit of grilling. It should be a
[0:58] Speaker 1: lot of fun, friends. And also we've already got a
[1:04] Speaker 1: super chat in the house. Good to see a Texas panhandler.
[1:08] Speaker 1: Texas panhandler come out with a ten hour superchat, says
[1:12] Speaker 1: I've been thinking about how I ground my worldview a
[1:16] Speaker 1: lot lately, and I've concluded that it's grounded in the
[1:19] Speaker 1: rock of Doug Tag.
[1:21] Speaker 2: You're it.
[1:22] Speaker 1: Happy furlough Friday. Here's to the end of the shutdown.
[1:26] Speaker 1: Wait a minute, there's news on the shutdown. Am I
[1:30] Speaker 1: hearing this correctly, that the shutdown has been ended. I
[1:35] Speaker 1: didn't know that, guys. I don't really catch up with
[1:37] Speaker 1: the news anymore. I'm basically getting my news through the
[1:41] Speaker 1: tektalk audience and the YouTube audience at this point. Good
[1:46] Speaker 1: to see you, doctor, Joe. M's good to see you.
[1:49] Speaker 1: Oh we got Dalton here. Yeah, So if the government,
[1:55] Speaker 1: someone let me know, somebody comment for me, let me
[1:57] Speaker 1: know if the government shut down is still if it's
[2:00] Speaker 1: still a thing, or if they if they got that
[2:04] Speaker 1: that squared away. I don't even I gotta be anest.
[2:06] Speaker 1: I don't even know what the shutdown, what led to
[2:08] Speaker 1: the shutdown. I didn't know if it was a standoff
[2:10] Speaker 1: over the budget or what. Dalton, buddy, your mic not
[2:16] Speaker 1: not doing well or your connection one of the two
[2:30] Speaker 1: having some hardware issues.
[2:32] Speaker 3: How does this sound.
[2:33] Speaker 1: That's a little better. It's no, it's not better.
[2:37] Speaker 3: Sorry my internet. I've read that.
[2:40] Speaker 1: I think your internet's connected. Okay, it's the mic that
[2:43] Speaker 1: sounds like crap.
[2:46] Speaker 3: Mm hmm, yeah, that makes sense that one second.
[2:49] Speaker 1: It's okay, Dex, welcome in, my friend. Great to see you.
[2:54] Speaker 1: Thank you for sending out five Dzy Debate gifted memberships.
[2:58] Speaker 1: I super appreciate that. Now it is October third, and
[3:02] Speaker 1: I'm told again that we're supposed to have a rapture
[3:06] Speaker 1: apparently on the sixth or before the sixth, So we'll
[3:11] Speaker 1: see what happens with that. Still waiting to find out
[3:15] Speaker 1: if we're gonna go up into the clouds or not.
[3:17] Speaker 1: Doctor Joe, thank you for a little bit. I appreciate that.
[3:20] Speaker 1: I always found Jesus and God being up in the
[3:23] Speaker 1: clouds a little bit problematic. It's like the least like
[3:26] Speaker 1: desirable place you would want to be if you're up
[3:30] Speaker 1: in the clouds. It's just like moist and sticky all
[3:32] Speaker 1: the time up there, I would imagine, like especially if
[3:34] Speaker 1: you're in the cloud. So, like, I don't know, it
[3:38] Speaker 1: seems like a big oversight that all these ancient god
[3:41] Speaker 1: concepts end up with the gods and the clouds. It's
[3:44] Speaker 1: almost like they didn't know what was up there. And Pie,
[3:48] Speaker 1: thank you for the five dollars super chat. Pie says
[3:50] Speaker 1: Philbro's clock must be mandatory across all platforms.
[3:55] Speaker 4: It is.
[3:56] Speaker 1: It is mandatory now bred we've been to dude to it.
[4:00] Speaker 1: We're going to be doing the Billbro clock. We are
[4:02] Speaker 1: doing it. And Stephen welcome in great to see you.
[4:07] Speaker 1: My friend Stephen says, what do you think of John
[4:09] Speaker 1: Fugelsang and his book Separation of Church and Hate, in
[4:14] Speaker 1: which he posits there is a liberal and there is
[4:19] Speaker 1: AA liberal and we need to unite. I don't know
[4:22] Speaker 1: what AA liberal means, but I have not read the book,
[4:26] Speaker 1: so unfortunately I can't really comment on it since I
[4:29] Speaker 1: don't actually know the contents of it. So unfortunately I
[4:32] Speaker 1: can't really help you much there. Edward, thank you for
[4:36] Speaker 1: the find hour Supertest says, do you remember when the
[4:38] Speaker 1: Sadducees presented a really good hypothetical and Jesus just started
[4:41] Speaker 1: to piss and moan? Yeah? Yeah, in BECT I do listen.
[4:46] Speaker 1: The reason why questions don't answer questions is because Jesus
[4:49] Speaker 1: never answered questions. Everything, every answer he ever gave was
[4:52] Speaker 1: a diversion. And Christians read that in the New Tests
[4:55] Speaker 1: and they're like, oh, he's so smart. He avoided the question,
[4:59] Speaker 1: like no, no, no, he just avoided the question.
[5:02] Speaker 3: So that's where Darth Tawkins learned it.
[5:04] Speaker 1: Okay, it is fo Yeah, he got it from his uh.
[5:09] Speaker 3: I ran into him last night. I wasn't sure if
[5:13] Speaker 3: he would remember I wasn't sure if he would remember
[5:15] Speaker 3: me because it's been over a year, but he did.
[5:17] Speaker 3: Could he confirmed he remembered me. He said yeah. I said, yeah,
[5:21] Speaker 3: this is the guy who blocked me. He said yeah,
[5:22] Speaker 3: because you're a little asshole, which is how I knew
[5:24] Speaker 3: he remembered me.
[5:25] Speaker 1: That's super Christian behavior. Logan, thank you for the fight.
[5:30] Speaker 1: Dow supertest says, just debated a Christian that said Joseah
[5:33] Speaker 1: six one through two was a clear prophecy about Jesus.
[5:36] Speaker 1: Thought seems clearly about is I agree, Yeah, Josea is six.
[5:40] Speaker 1: It's about the restoration of the Israelite people. How the
[5:44] Speaker 1: people will be restored after the Assyrian conquest. Has nothing
[5:49] Speaker 1: to do with an individual with a human being being
[5:51] Speaker 1: raised whatsoever forged the gods. Welcome man, Thank you for
[5:55] Speaker 1: the fight. Dollar supertests when a guest says they're Protestant,
[5:58] Speaker 1: you guys generally grow. Are they exceptionally silly? I've never
[6:02] Speaker 1: done that. No, I don't have any problem with Protestant's.
[6:06] Speaker 1: I've grown when they're Orthodox. The orthor Bros are the
[6:09] Speaker 1: ones that we cringe over. They're they're the worst. I
[6:12] Speaker 1: actually get excited sometimes when we get a Catholic because
[6:15] Speaker 1: Catholics are fun. You know, most Catholics don't do debates anyways,
[6:19] Speaker 1: so it's kind of nice to get one. It's kind
[6:20] Speaker 1: of like getting a JW. You don't get a JW
[6:22] Speaker 1: very often and logical past date. Thank you for the supertestes.
[6:26] Speaker 1: I love watching a live from beg to end, I
[6:30] Speaker 1: think beginning to end. And thank you so much for
[6:32] Speaker 1: being here. We appreciate that I got two more super chats.
[6:35] Speaker 1: Will get our first guest in here, Jennifer. Thank you
[6:37] Speaker 1: so much for the five dollar supertesches. Thrilled to catch
[6:39] Speaker 1: alive again. And hope your cat is doing well. And
[6:42] Speaker 1: on the men, Happy Friday. What Pie is doing much better.
[6:45] Speaker 1: He's actually up and moving around the house today. He's
[6:49] Speaker 1: still sleeping a lot, you know, catch sleep a lot anyways,
[6:52] Speaker 1: but he's he's doing much better. He thought about jumping
[6:55] Speaker 1: on the bed earlier and decided that might be a
[6:57] Speaker 1: little too much for him right now. But he's he's
[6:59] Speaker 1: getting there. He's getting back to back to normal. It's
[7:02] Speaker 1: gonna take another week or so, I think before he's
[7:05] Speaker 1: he's feeling up to speed, though, But I mean he's
[7:07] Speaker 1: got nine lives. He only used two of them. We
[7:09] Speaker 1: got seven left. We're gonna be okay. Texas Panhandler, thank
[7:12] Speaker 1: you for the fight. Our super check is just hoping
[7:14] Speaker 1: for the shutdown to end. I'm a fed employee, so
[7:17] Speaker 1: sitting around waiting sucks. Oh I didn't. Okay, you were
[7:20] Speaker 1: hoping it would end well, as I hope for your
[7:23] Speaker 1: sake that it ends as well. And welcome in everybody
[7:26] Speaker 1: from the Ian Raid Big w everyone coming over from
[7:30] Speaker 1: Ian's live stream. We just got our live stream kicked
[7:33] Speaker 1: off and now we're getting our first guests in here.
[7:36] Speaker 1: And is the name Bina Bina? Are you doing?
[7:43] Speaker 5: Yeah? Saying two questions for you. I don't believe in
[7:47] Speaker 5: the Christian God, but I do believe that a god exists.
[7:51] Speaker 5: So I'm just wonderin why do you think that there
[7:54] Speaker 5: are no gods?
[7:56] Speaker 1: Well, first of all, because there's no evidence for a god.
[7:59] Speaker 1: But second because the god concepts that I'm aware of
[8:03] Speaker 1: are all like hopelessly contradictory. And one of the reasons
[8:07] Speaker 1: why they're typically contradictory is because they usually have some
[8:10] Speaker 1: sort of a book that proclaims like the will and
[8:14] Speaker 1: desires of the God, and the book itself is usually
[8:17] Speaker 1: an absolute disaster. So like I could, like, with the
[8:22] Speaker 1: right evidence, I could be convinced to believe in like
[8:26] Speaker 1: a deistic concept. But I have no reason to believe
[8:30] Speaker 1: that there's a theistic concept out there. That's sensible, that's fair.
[8:35] Speaker 5: So what do you think?
[8:38] Speaker 1: What do you think would be of the good reason
[8:39] Speaker 1: to believe in your God?
[8:41] Speaker 5: Direct evidence and interactions with the God. For example, let's
[8:45] Speaker 5: say God came down to you and then he interacted
[8:48] Speaker 5: with you. Would you believe that there was a God?
[8:49] Speaker 1: Then maybe? I mean, it gets you closer. There's a
[8:54] Speaker 1: lot of things you would have to rule out first,
[8:56] Speaker 1: Like it wasn't a hallucination, you weren't having some sort
[9:00] Speaker 1: of psychosis. There's lots of things you would want to
[9:03] Speaker 1: take a look at. But as a person, like if
[9:06] Speaker 1: a god showed up to me and there was no
[9:09] Speaker 1: other explanation for it, I would at least consider the
[9:13] Speaker 1: idea that it could have been some kind of a god.
[9:17] Speaker 5: Okay, that's fair, But I'm just wondering, like what about
[9:21] Speaker 5: the prevalence of gods and ancient cultures like before our civilization,
[9:25] Speaker 5: before the Christianity religion, the Jewish religion, or like there's
[9:29] Speaker 5: like what do you call it. There's like Pagans and
[9:32] Speaker 5: there's like the Messo potentic religions with their gods. So
[9:37] Speaker 5: why are humans attracted to the idea of gods if
[9:41] Speaker 5: they do not exist? Like what do you have figured
[9:43] Speaker 5: it out already? Like, for example, there's like lots of
[9:45] Speaker 5: sacrifice themselfs, so like they would be like, hey, I'm
[9:49] Speaker 5: going to sacrifice to this god and if it doesn't work,
[9:51] Speaker 5: then why would they still believe it?
[9:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, because they're programmed to believe it. So typically, like
[9:57] Speaker 1: these religious mandates, at some point they they weren't all
[10:00] Speaker 1: from top down hierarchical. They used to be like a
[10:03] Speaker 1: family deed, like this is our family deity. And then
[10:08] Speaker 1: once we got from nomadism into city states, then they
[10:13] Speaker 1: started to have a hierarchy, a top down approach. Because
[10:17] Speaker 1: the reason why shit keeps happening to your people group
[10:20] Speaker 1: there is because God's mad at you. Well, why is
[10:22] Speaker 1: God mad at you? Well, because your people group were
[10:24] Speaker 1: doing this thing. So now we're like, well, listen, the
[10:27] Speaker 1: people leading this people group, they need to enforce these
[10:30] Speaker 1: laws now. And so you get a more strict interpretation
[10:34] Speaker 1: of what God wants by making up solutions to problems
[10:38] Speaker 1: that don't actually exist. But the reality is the God
[10:43] Speaker 1: concepts started from people's like normal intuitions, like there's a
[10:48] Speaker 1: noise over there, something must be causing it, right, there's
[10:53] Speaker 1: a glowing orb in the sky, it must be alive.
[10:56] Speaker 1: These are the concepts that initially started with the there
[11:00] Speaker 1: are other entities than just us walking around here on
[11:03] Speaker 1: the earth.
[11:05] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[11:05] Speaker 3: Actually, we actually have evidence that, you know, there's a
[11:08] Speaker 3: point after humans developed the idea of spirits, of us
[11:12] Speaker 3: having like spirits that live on in the afterlife, that
[11:15] Speaker 3: certain families in Egypt would have altars dedicated to ancestral spirits,
[11:20] Speaker 3: and over time, those ancestral spirits just become a bit
[11:23] Speaker 3: more pronounced more and more over time until they get
[11:26] Speaker 3: to like God level basically.
[11:30] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[11:31] Speaker 3: And in regards to the why would they keep sacrificing
[11:33] Speaker 3: to them? I think it's called y'all could correct me
[11:36] Speaker 3: if I'm wrong with sharpshooter fallacy. You you know, you
[11:39] Speaker 3: make enough sacrifices and sometimes it brings rain, sometimes it doesn't.
[11:42] Speaker 3: Just ignore the times it doesn't and think that the
[11:45] Speaker 3: times it does bring rain, that's because the God is
[11:47] Speaker 3: answering your prayers.
[11:50] Speaker 5: That's fair. That's fair. Then what would you think about
[11:54] Speaker 5: like the like the az Sex religions where it's like
[11:57] Speaker 5: very institutionalized digit sacrifices. But if, like if they stopped,
[12:02] Speaker 5: Like where do you think like the idea of sacrifices
[12:05] Speaker 5: came from and stuff like that? Because to me, I
[12:07] Speaker 5: still can't get over the hump that if the religion
[12:09] Speaker 5: didn't work, then why would people still believe it? You know,
[12:13] Speaker 5: I mean there has to be some truth to them.
[12:15] Speaker 5: If they kept doing these rituals and stuff like that,
[12:19] Speaker 5: do you I mean, what do they happen? Why woudn't
[12:20] Speaker 5: they stop?
[12:21] Speaker 1: What do you think the word works means? Because for
[12:23] Speaker 1: the majority of history, like a lot of these religions
[12:26] Speaker 1: didn't do anything for their people. Really, what what have
[12:29] Speaker 1: they done? They've called division and bloodshed and wars.
[12:33] Speaker 5: I know that is terrible, but uh, like I'm like
[12:37] Speaker 5: back to the sacrifice idea, like if you sacrificed something
[12:40] Speaker 5: to God and then something could happen to you and
[12:43] Speaker 5: then I know you were talking about the sharpshoot of policies,
[12:46] Speaker 5: but what if but this sacrifice, it's like they have
[12:49] Speaker 5: to give like a lot of their money to this god. Right,
[12:52] Speaker 5: So if like, it's not like.
[12:54] Speaker 3: Sacrifice, well, I don't think the Astecs had money they
[12:57] Speaker 3: would have sacrificed their animals.
[12:59] Speaker 5: Like yeah, but that's what that's worth A lot of time, right,
[13:03] Speaker 5: that's a thing of a lot of value. It's not
[13:06] Speaker 5: like I'm throwing away a McDonald's me. It's like I'm
[13:08] Speaker 5: blowing a years of work or something like that. Yeah,
[13:11] Speaker 5: for the deity. And if it didn't work, why would
[13:14] Speaker 5: I still follow the religion?
[13:16] Speaker 1: It doesn't work because people people are convinced that you
[13:19] Speaker 1: have to do it anyways, and when it doesn't work,
[13:21] Speaker 1: they make excuses like God is mad. So for example,
[13:24] Speaker 1: if you read the Hebrew Bible and you're Jewish, you'll
[13:27] Speaker 1: discover that every time an invading army came in and
[13:30] Speaker 1: beat up on the Israelites, it was because God was
[13:33] Speaker 1: mad at them. This was God's vengeance. And so there's
[13:37] Speaker 1: always an excuse for God's failures. When when something good happens,
[13:41] Speaker 1: you blame it on God. When something bad happens, you
[13:43] Speaker 1: blame it on you.
[13:46] Speaker 5: Okay, that's fair, that's fair. Yeah, that's because the for me,
[13:52] Speaker 5: the only thing that gives evidence of God is that
[13:56] Speaker 5: the sacrifices work, you know, but they don't like, uh,
[14:01] Speaker 5: they don't like everything, Like what about like occult rituals then,
[14:08] Speaker 5: you know, like making deals with that? What about like
[14:10] Speaker 5: it's it's like like not mainstream religions. Okay, like nobody's
[14:14] Speaker 5: forcing them to do these blood sacrifices and stuff like that, right,
[14:18] Speaker 5: but they keep doing them.
[14:19] Speaker 3: Why if if sacrifices worked one hundred percent of the time,
[14:23] Speaker 3: don't you think someone would have used that to present
[14:25] Speaker 3: evidence in favor of the existence of a deity.
[14:29] Speaker 5: Oh, yeah, that's the occult Like that's like lots of
[14:32] Speaker 5: the uh setanus and the.
[14:37] Speaker 3: Do we have any do we have any evidence that
[14:39] Speaker 3: there that there's Yeah, do we have any evidence that
[14:41] Speaker 3: they're sacrifices? I have a one like uh like rating
[14:46] Speaker 3: of like success like they always.
[14:50] Speaker 5: I don't know because I'm not I'm not an occultist.
[14:53] Speaker 5: I'm not like a Satanic worshiper. But for example, those
[14:57] Speaker 5: people that do these sacrifices, it must work, otherwise would
[15:00] Speaker 5: they do them it doesn't work.
[15:01] Speaker 1: They're they're just as blind as the religious believers. I've
[15:05] Speaker 1: got a friend, a really good friend on on TikTok
[15:08] Speaker 1: who spent the better part of a year and a
[15:10] Speaker 1: half to two years every day almost going live on
[15:14] Speaker 1: the internet asking Satan to possess him, just to prove
[15:19] Speaker 1: the Christians that Satan isn't real. And golly g he
[15:22] Speaker 1: never got possessed by Satan.
[15:24] Speaker 5: That's fair. But we hear all these stories about the occultists, right,
[15:29] Speaker 5: and how they do sacrifices, the stories. You don't believe
[15:32] Speaker 5: those stories, so okay, that's like, okay, that's fair. So
[15:36] Speaker 5: you don't believe, like there's like a cabal that does
[15:39] Speaker 5: sacrifices and they control the world.
[15:41] Speaker 1: No, wa talk, that's crazy talk.
[15:46] Speaker 5: It's crazy talk. Okay, yeah, m hmm, that's fair. Well,
[15:51] Speaker 5: I don't think I can prove to you that God exists,
[15:54] Speaker 5: but yeah, well it was nice talking with you. Like
[15:57] Speaker 5: my main point was just a sacrifice thing. But you
[16:01] Speaker 5: don't you don't believe that. Uh, people do sacrifices like
[16:05] Speaker 5: the occult So I can't I can talk to you
[16:06] Speaker 5: about that. People do.
[16:08] Speaker 3: People do sacrifices, but they just don't work all the time.
[16:12] Speaker 3: They work at the same rate as chance. It's like prayer.
[16:15] Speaker 3: It is the same turnaround as prayer.
[16:19] Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think prayer is working because I don't
[16:22] Speaker 5: believe in the Christian God, but I do believe, like
[16:24] Speaker 5: there is a God, but like I can't convince you
[16:27] Speaker 5: that there's like, no, do you.
[16:28] Speaker 1: Believe in the God of the Hebrew Bible? No, okay,
[16:32] Speaker 1: I don't never mind.
[16:32] Speaker 3: Then, like to me, like the best if you could sacrifice,
[16:38] Speaker 3: if you can make sacrifices to your God and ask
[16:41] Speaker 3: for something and it always came to pass hell, that
[16:45] Speaker 3: would convince me that your God is wrong.
[16:47] Speaker 5: Well, I don't believe in a god that needs sacrifices though,
[16:51] Speaker 5: but I do believe in like spiritual entities and stuff
[16:53] Speaker 5: like I really like the Gnostic explanation of the world,
[16:56] Speaker 5: but I don't I do believe in spirits and stuff
[16:59] Speaker 5: like that. Don't believe like there's this one Christian God
[17:04] Speaker 5: something like that. So you guys are like well versed
[17:07] Speaker 5: in like because you were a pastor before, right, so
[17:09] Speaker 5: you went to seminary and stuff like that. So you know,
[17:11] Speaker 5: all Christian arguments to me, the very weak arguments because
[17:14] Speaker 5: there is no evidence for that and it always is
[17:16] Speaker 5: circular reasoning towards the Bible. But but in at like
[17:22] Speaker 5: it's just like.
[17:23] Speaker 1: To melogetically broken out of the gate.
[17:26] Speaker 5: Yeah, it's pretty broken. But but to me, like they're
[17:29] Speaker 5: just stories to explain the spiritual. But you don't believe
[17:33] Speaker 5: in the spiritual at all?
[17:34] Speaker 1: No, why would I.
[17:37] Speaker 5: Because you've never experienced it. But that's that's fair. Yeah,
[17:41] Speaker 5: I don't hear to convince you of that, but I'm
[17:44] Speaker 5: just saying, like there has to be some truth in
[17:46] Speaker 5: the spiritual otherwise, like we went do sacrifices, we want
[17:49] Speaker 5: to do this prayer stuff, you know, like any of
[17:52] Speaker 5: this stuff.
[17:53] Speaker 1: Really who every time, like the wind blows the wrong way,
[17:58] Speaker 1: she burns sage in her household. She thinks it wards
[18:01] Speaker 1: off the evil spirits. Do you think spirits are afraid
[18:04] Speaker 1: of sage?
[18:06] Speaker 4: No?
[18:07] Speaker 5: I think that, Uh. But she thinks it was like
[18:09] Speaker 5: a medicineal like maybe there was like some medicine in
[18:13] Speaker 5: the past, you know, like stay burned stage and the
[18:15] Speaker 5: likes of diseases were warned off or something. That's the
[18:17] Speaker 5: reason for that supercision.
[18:18] Speaker 1: Right, But in her mind it feels like it's working
[18:21] Speaker 1: right because what's happening in her mind is in her mind,
[18:25] Speaker 1: like the supposed evil spirits are in her mind burning
[18:29] Speaker 1: the sage to ward them off all in her mind,
[18:31] Speaker 1: these are these are merely placebo effects.
[18:35] Speaker 5: Yeah, that's like, uh, that's but that's you're more centric
[18:39] Speaker 5: to the like the Christian word real, where belief is important.
[18:42] Speaker 5: I don't think belief is important at all. I don't
[18:44] Speaker 5: think that you believe in that spirits exists matter, even
[18:47] Speaker 5: if they exist really don't exist, you know. I don't
[18:49] Speaker 5: think belief has any value or whatsoever.
[18:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think they care about.
[18:53] Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think either.
[18:55] Speaker 1: But yeah, well, listen, it was good to talk to you.
[18:58] Speaker 1: I'm gonna see if I get here about a believer
[19:00] Speaker 1: up here, and we'll we callow each other for a
[19:03] Speaker 1: little bit. It's okay, it's good to hear for you,
[19:05] Speaker 1: my man.
[19:06] Speaker 7: Yeah, cheers.
[19:07] Speaker 4: Friend.
[19:09] Speaker 3: That took a sharp left turn at one point into
[19:13] Speaker 3: conspiracy theater land.
[19:15] Speaker 1: I was shocked. Friends, if you're watching on YouTube, you
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[19:27] Speaker 1: my dog is better than yours in the queue, and
[19:30] Speaker 1: we'll grab them next. And I have to say, currently
[19:33] Speaker 1: I don't have a dog, so I can only agree
[19:35] Speaker 1: with you on that.
[19:37] Speaker 3: And just in case you haven't noticed them, Blitz is here.
[19:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, welcome in buddy, Just making sure.
[19:45] Speaker 6: Much appreciation.
[19:46] Speaker 1: Blitz a sneaky Blitzer. You coming up to cook always awesome.
[19:54] Speaker 1: Let me read some super Chests and we'll get our
[19:56] Speaker 1: next guests in here. Brian, thank you so much for
[19:58] Speaker 1: the ten that are Supertest is thrilled to be back
[20:00] Speaker 1: on another Friday episode. Exclamation, Hey, we're happy to have
[20:04] Speaker 1: your friend, and thank you for supporting Squid. Thank you
[20:07] Speaker 1: so much for the right hour. Super Chests says I
[20:08] Speaker 1: feel for Texas panhandler, but the Dems need to hold
[20:11] Speaker 1: the line against that wretched swamp goblin by Johnson. I know,
[20:16] Speaker 1: I get it. He is a swamp monster for sure.
[20:20] Speaker 1: Anyone remember swamp thing from the nineties. That's basically we're
[20:23] Speaker 1: living through that right now. Steven, thank you for the
[20:27] Speaker 1: five nine to nine dollars. Supertest says. He posits christ
[20:30] Speaker 1: is a liberal and he should be reclaimed by Christians
[20:33] Speaker 1: from Mega. This will be a powerfully powerful tool to
[20:36] Speaker 1: fight back. Seems strange to me. I don't know if
[20:39] Speaker 1: that's the right way to go, because Christian nationalists are
[20:43] Speaker 1: not interested in reason. They're certainly not interested in reading
[20:46] Speaker 1: the book. The book is not something they care about
[20:49] Speaker 1: unless they can use it to weaponize their doctrines.
[20:52] Speaker 3: I don't know why so many people think Jesus was
[20:55] Speaker 3: a nice guy like I'm sure if he was around
[20:57] Speaker 3: today preaching what he actually believed, we would just think
[20:59] Speaker 3: he's just as terrible, if.
[21:00] Speaker 1: Not worse, right, right, John, thank you so much for
[21:04] Speaker 1: the fight. Dow Supertest says justin you missed me the
[21:06] Speaker 1: other night about Einstein, the Einstein caller. Einstein totally said
[21:10] Speaker 1: he totally said that, and it was clear as day
[21:13] Speaker 1: in Back to the Future. I forgot about that. Yes,
[21:16] Speaker 1: and Back to the Future he must have said the
[21:19] Speaker 1: thing that wasn't Doc Brown, Tim, thank you for the
[21:24] Speaker 1: supertestent just watching ten eighteen twenty four and the Naming
[21:27] Speaker 1: of Doug. Yes, that is the stream where you find
[21:30] Speaker 1: out where Doug was born. It's a glorious, glorious one
[21:35] Speaker 1: and Christian in name only. Thank you for the super Chest,
[21:37] Speaker 1: says two frogs doing sixty nine one stands up and says, hm,
[21:41] Speaker 1: it's true. We do taste like chicken. That is as wild.
[21:46] Speaker 1: That is a wild joke.
[21:48] Speaker 8: Doug is turning a year old in like two weeks. Yeah,
[21:53] Speaker 8: that's crazy. Are you going to hold a birthday stream?
[21:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got it. I'm setting up a shrine form
[21:58] Speaker 1: right now.
[21:58] Speaker 8: Actually, beautiful behind me.
[22:01] Speaker 1: This is gonna be a good time, Jake, thank you
[22:03] Speaker 1: so much for the nine ninety nine dollars super check
[22:05] Speaker 1: it says, the Trinity gets pulled over for using the
[22:07] Speaker 1: carpool lane. Cop. Where are your passengers, Trinity, they're in me, cop,
[22:12] Speaker 1: step out of the vehicle. That is fantastic, Jake, and
[22:16] Speaker 1: it is good to see you friends. Jake also runs
[22:18] Speaker 1: a podcast in The Exous Brothers. If you haven't seen
[22:20] Speaker 1: it yet, I implore you check out The Exis Brothers.
[22:24] Speaker 1: Make it so thank you for the twenty dollars superjat
[22:27] Speaker 1: big w says, Hey, Justin, I'm a big fan. I'm
[22:30] Speaker 1: a deconstructed Catholic and an atheist of twenty years now.
[22:33] Speaker 1: I'm curious if you ever listened to Ricky Gervais talk
[22:35] Speaker 1: about his views on atheism and God. I found it
[22:38] Speaker 1: very insightful. I love Ricky Gervais's comments on atheism, and
[22:42] Speaker 1: I also love a lot of other comedies comedians that
[22:47] Speaker 1: talk about it. Lately, I've been loving Louis c k
[22:49] Speaker 1: talk about leaving his religion. It's been a good one.
[22:53] Speaker 1: I wasn't sure he's going to because he's like from Boston,
[22:56] Speaker 1: and so I figured he's going to be a Catholic
[22:58] Speaker 1: for life. But no, he left that thing.
[23:00] Speaker 3: Gretch literally listening. I literally listened to Ricky Jervas is
[23:04] Speaker 3: a comedy bit over Noah's art reading for the kid's book,
[23:07] Speaker 3: So good, just last night.
[23:09] Speaker 1: It's really good. Gretchen, thank you for the three eleven says, Hey,
[23:13] Speaker 1: what's up? Blitz? Oh yeah, hi, justin am I chopliver
[23:17] Speaker 1: up here? Blitz gets on stage and you forget I exist. Gretchen,
[23:20] Speaker 1: this is this is this is hurtful. Aris, thank you
[23:23] Speaker 1: for the twenty dollars super chat. My friend big W says,
[23:26] Speaker 1: you talked about doing a series of videos of former
[23:29] Speaker 1: believers leaving smaller religions like cults. Would love you to
[23:33] Speaker 1: interview he meant meant to, I know him the friendly atheist,
[23:37] Speaker 1: over him leaving Jainism and all his work in the
[23:40] Speaker 1: atheist community. I would love to do that. I've got
[23:44] Speaker 1: a bunch of other frying pans in the fire, but
[23:46] Speaker 1: trust me, Aris. I would love to sit down with
[23:49] Speaker 1: him if I get the opportunity to do. He's amazing.
[23:51] Speaker 1: And last one for now from our friend Vlkay, thank
[23:54] Speaker 1: you for the one friend and says it's crazy Christians
[23:58] Speaker 1: will call abortion evil while they defend a book that
[24:00] Speaker 1: endorses great mass genocide, abuse, et cetera, essentially for bad
[24:04] Speaker 1: things that lead to situations where abortion becomes a necessity. Indeed,
[24:08] Speaker 1: the hypocrisy's wild. Actually with Christians. I'll never understand why
[24:12] Speaker 1: Christians will get up here and they'll say it's never
[24:15] Speaker 1: okay to do X, Y and z. Then you read
[24:18] Speaker 1: the Bible and well, fuck, it's okay if God does it.
[24:20] Speaker 1: When God does it, then it's good. They're like, okay,
[24:23] Speaker 1: So you just don't believe in objective morals.
[24:25] Speaker 2: Sorry.
[24:25] Speaker 1: Last one from our friend John, John, thank you so
[24:28] Speaker 1: much for the twenty hours super chat that the big
[24:29] Speaker 1: w friend says watched End Time stream today. They literally
[24:32] Speaker 1: said they need billions in donations and theorized getting private helicopters.
[24:37] Speaker 1: They aren't even bashful secretive about it.
[24:39] Speaker 9: Now.
[24:40] Speaker 1: I was waiting for put your hands in the screed.
[24:43] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you know it now if if the
[24:46] Speaker 1: rapture doesn't come. You know what they're gonna do, right,
[24:48] Speaker 1: They're gonna be like, well, we didn't get enough donations.
[24:51] Speaker 1: God couldn't do the thing.
[24:57] Speaker 3: It's okay, it'll be in a couple more months, another opportunity.
[25:00] Speaker 1: All right, we're gonna get Asthmaden into the chat. You're right.
[25:05] Speaker 1: In a couple months of being new prediction, at least
[25:08] Speaker 1: September of next year, we'll have another one Asthmaden. How
[25:11] Speaker 1: you doing? Ask Manu there? Hello? Anything bueller?
[25:27] Speaker 2: Oh?
[25:28] Speaker 1: He's going weird. Okay, we'll get Jerry next. It sounds like, Jerry,
[25:33] Speaker 1: we're gonna.
[25:34] Speaker 2: Bring you in.
[25:34] Speaker 1: I hope you got your microphone ready. How you doing, Jerry?
[25:39] Speaker 4: I'm doing pretty good. Can you hear me?
[25:41] Speaker 10: Yeah?
[25:41] Speaker 1: I can hear you, loved and clear, Jerry? Are you
[25:45] Speaker 1: at least eighteen? And do you believe in God?
[25:50] Speaker 4: Yes? And I think so?
[25:54] Speaker 1: Okay? You think so? Okay? Well we'll start out easy.
[25:57] Speaker 1: What God do you think you believe in.
[26:00] Speaker 4: The Christian Jesus Christ Christianity?
[26:04] Speaker 1: Okay? And so uh you think you still believe in Jesus.
[26:08] Speaker 4: I'm going to ask you, uh, I want to give
[26:13] Speaker 4: you a little bit of the background. I was raised
[26:15] Speaker 4: Christian and just always was skeptical and really just stop
[26:21] Speaker 4: believing it. But I can't seem to shake it still.
[26:25] Speaker 4: I still have that kind of belief that it's hard
[26:29] Speaker 4: to kind of justify completely, but it's it's hard to shake. Okay,
[26:36] Speaker 4: So maybe I'm asking you to talk me out of it.
[26:39] Speaker 4: I'm going back to it.
[26:40] Speaker 1: You know, we can definitely fix that for you. Okay,
[26:42] Speaker 1: So let's let's look at We're not going to worry
[26:47] Speaker 1: about God in general right now, let's just talk about Christianity.
[26:50] Speaker 1: So Christianity is to me, the dumbest cult ever invented.
[26:58] Speaker 1: It's basically a Juewish cult, which is wild because Judaism
[27:01] Speaker 1: is not even true. But it's a Jewish cult that
[27:05] Speaker 1: doesn't know how to read its own book. For example,
[27:07] Speaker 1: we have this idea that Jesus needed to die for
[27:11] Speaker 1: your sins because nobody is capable of getting forgiveness for
[27:14] Speaker 1: their sins otherwise. Right, Yeah, But in the Hebrew Bible,
[27:20] Speaker 1: there's like a dozen different ways that people get forgiveness.
[27:24] Speaker 1: So for example, in Isaiah twenty seven. In fact, give
[27:28] Speaker 1: me one second, I'll put them on the screen so
[27:30] Speaker 1: you can see them.
[27:31] Speaker 9: As well.
[27:31] Speaker 1: You should be able to see I'm going to put
[27:33] Speaker 1: a Bible verse up. You should be able to see
[27:35] Speaker 1: the broadcast, right, yeah, okay, just making sure I had
[27:40] Speaker 1: that feature turned on. Last time I was streaming, I
[27:42] Speaker 1: forgot to turn it on and the guest couldn't see. Okay,
[27:45] Speaker 1: So I've got Isaiah twenty seven.
[27:47] Speaker 4: It's a good time. Everything is good.
[27:50] Speaker 1: So this is what God said to the Israelites with
[27:54] Speaker 1: the Assyrian captivities, is by expulsion and exile. You struggled
[27:59] Speaker 1: against them with a fierce blast. Here removed them in
[28:01] Speaker 1: the day of his East Wind. Therefore, by this the
[28:05] Speaker 1: guilt of Jacob that did the guilt of Jacob will
[28:07] Speaker 1: be expiated. So at least one method that God can
[28:11] Speaker 1: use to expiate your sins is just to give you
[28:17] Speaker 1: a punishment. Happens all the time. God punishes somebody and
[28:19] Speaker 1: then you're expiated. Another method that God uses in the
[28:25] Speaker 1: Hebrew Bible to forgive people's sins is simply simply through asking. So,
[28:31] Speaker 1: for example, we've got a situation, give me one second
[28:37] Speaker 1: to grab it. This is a prayer of David. So David,
[28:43] Speaker 1: like the New Testament, would have you believe that God
[28:45] Speaker 1: couldn't forgive you unless you killed some animal. Hebrews nine
[28:49] Speaker 1: twenty two says that says, without the shedding of blood,
[28:52] Speaker 1: there's no forgiveness of sins, and it's just not true.
[28:54] Speaker 1: For example, here's one of the prayers of King David.
[28:57] Speaker 1: It says that may prayer be counted as incense before you,
[29:00] Speaker 1: and the lifting up of my hands as an evening sacrifice.
[29:04] Speaker 1: King David, who famously in Psalm number two was to
[29:07] Speaker 1: be gotten son of God, understands that his worship of
[29:11] Speaker 1: the God is all God really desires. He like, he's
[29:14] Speaker 1: totally willing to accept your worship as a form of sacrifice,
[29:20] Speaker 1: and in fact, he says later on in was it
[29:23] Speaker 1: in Malachi says I would prefer obedience over sacrifice. So
[29:29] Speaker 1: the sacrifice was one way that God could do something
[29:34] Speaker 1: that God could understand that you were asking for forgiveness,
[29:38] Speaker 1: but it certainly wasn't the only way. In fact, give
[29:40] Speaker 1: me one second. In Second Chronicles. It shows up in
[29:44] Speaker 1: the Book of Kings as well. There's a prayer of
[29:47] Speaker 1: Solomon when Solomon dedicates the temple, says, further, were many
[29:56] Speaker 1: in assembly who had not sanctified themselves. Therefore the Levites
[30:00] Speaker 1: had to slaughter the past over Lamb for everyone who
[30:02] Speaker 1: is not clean. Oh, this is not the This is
[30:04] Speaker 1: another example, but this is not the one I was
[30:05] Speaker 1: thinking of. Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah
[30:07] Speaker 1: blah blah blah blah blah blah. May the Lord there
[30:11] Speaker 1: you go. Okay, So this is a prayer of Hezekiah.
[30:15] Speaker 1: So right, So Hezekiah, Uh, these men go into war.
[30:18] Speaker 1: They're supposed to be clean when they go into war.
[30:20] Speaker 1: They can't go into war unclean. They they did. Anyways,
[30:23] Speaker 1: Hezekiah praise and says, may the Lord God pardon all
[30:27] Speaker 1: who set their hearts to seek God, the Lord, the
[30:30] Speaker 1: God of their ancestors, even though not in accordance with
[30:33] Speaker 1: the sanctuary's rules of cleanliness. The Lord heard Hezekiah and
[30:38] Speaker 1: healed the people. So Hezekiah, they violated the Lord's commands
[30:42] Speaker 1: when they go out to war. And Hezekiah's like, sorry,
[30:46] Speaker 1: they they you know, they're they're repentant. And God's like, okay,
[30:49] Speaker 1: I'll forgive you. So like we there there are so
[30:51] Speaker 1: many dozens and dozens examples of God just forgiving people
[30:55] Speaker 1: in the Old Testament because they asked for it. They's
[30:58] Speaker 1: this nonsensical idea that God just has to send you
[31:00] Speaker 1: to hell for eternity without killing his son is asinine.
[31:05] Speaker 3: Most famously, I think everyone knows the sort of David
[31:07] Speaker 3: and Bathsheba. Literally, as soon as David repents of his
[31:11] Speaker 3: sin before Nathan, without having ever offered a sacrifice, God
[31:16] Speaker 3: forgives them, which is why he writes song fifty two.
[31:18] Speaker 3: You know, if he had, if he had desired sacrifice,
[31:21] Speaker 3: that would have given it. But Drew's sacrifice before guys
[31:24] Speaker 3: a contrary heart.
[31:28] Speaker 1: Okay, So like that that doesn't get you to atheism,
[31:34] Speaker 1: but it should at least get you over the hump
[31:36] Speaker 1: of like Christianity doesn't really make any sense.
[31:39] Speaker 4: It's making Claverly. I never really saw the forgiveness that
[31:44] Speaker 4: way though, because it seems like in the Old Testament,
[31:49] Speaker 4: it seems like just today we have several different types
[31:53] Speaker 4: of forgiveness or several different not just types, but levels
[31:58] Speaker 4: of forgiveness, right, And it seems like in the Old
[32:02] Speaker 4: Testament there were all these different things that they did
[32:05] Speaker 4: for different types of offenses. Like there's and I don't
[32:11] Speaker 4: know all of them offhand, but it's you know, there
[32:13] Speaker 4: are different ones where possibly one is for a lesser offense,
[32:20] Speaker 4: ones for a greater offense, and then there's a punishment
[32:24] Speaker 4: for breaking the covenant with God altogether. Like if you
[32:28] Speaker 4: completely break the covenant, then you're like cast out from
[32:32] Speaker 4: the people.
[32:33] Speaker 5: You know.
[32:33] Speaker 4: It's like and there's like no forgiveness or something I
[32:36] Speaker 4: don't know's there's different levels for different levels offenses, which
[32:39] Speaker 4: is what you'd expect and how we do our kind
[32:42] Speaker 4: of forgiveness in our own lives too, right, Like there's
[32:47] Speaker 4: it's it's one thing if your child does something to
[32:51] Speaker 4: you that he needs to get forgiveness for, where it's
[32:54] Speaker 4: like a conversation, and it's another thing where like he
[32:57] Speaker 4: goes to the courthouse and has a you know, official
[33:02] Speaker 4: divorce from your family from being your child and then
[33:04] Speaker 4: has to get forgiveness from that and you have to
[33:07] Speaker 4: actually go back to the courthouse and like there's like
[33:09] Speaker 4: legal procedures. It's different from a conversation. And that's how
[33:12] Speaker 4: I've always seen that kind of different for like like
[33:15] Speaker 4: when when I ask God to forgive me of my sins,
[33:18] Speaker 4: now there's no like sacrifice that I'm going to. It's
[33:22] Speaker 4: just more of a fellowship forgiveness kind of the thing.
[33:25] Speaker 1: But you never needed a sacrifice.
[33:29] Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they did in the Old Testament. They had
[33:31] Speaker 4: sacrifices for the covenant itself. Right to enter into the
[33:34] Speaker 4: covenant in the first place, Abraham walked through the sacrifice
[33:39] Speaker 4: the pieces, so that it's a covenantal agreement that you
[33:44] Speaker 4: can get into with Jesus Christ, that he.
[33:46] Speaker 1: Isnt forgiveness right, right, the the Ninavites weren't in covenant
[33:54] Speaker 1: with God. God forgave him. He sent Jonah over there
[33:56] Speaker 1: and they repented. They threw sackcloth and ashes even on
[33:59] Speaker 1: their case at all, and they repented, and God forgave them.
[34:03] Speaker 4: Yeah, he gave the Gentiles a different program than he
[34:07] Speaker 4: did the Jews. The Jews were in some type of
[34:09] Speaker 4: special covenant. Gentiles were yeah.
[34:14] Speaker 1: Sure, you're a you're a gentile. And the other thing
[34:16] Speaker 1: is the Jews got forgiveness with or without a sacrifice
[34:19] Speaker 1: as well. In fact, in vis all.
[34:22] Speaker 4: The time, they didn't even get into covenant with God
[34:25] Speaker 4: without the sacrifices.
[34:27] Speaker 1: Well, the covenants not necessary for forgiveness.
[34:30] Speaker 4: That, yes, it is absolutely necessary for for the Jewish
[34:36] Speaker 4: people for forgiveness.
[34:37] Speaker 5: It is.
[34:37] Speaker 6: It's not.
[34:41] Speaker 4: That the Covenant. There's no forgiveness.
[34:44] Speaker 1: The covenant is is a behavior treaty, Okay, all right,
[34:52] Speaker 1: Like God, if you sin against the God, no matter
[34:55] Speaker 1: if you're part of the Hebrew people or not, he
[34:57] Speaker 1: will forgive you. And he does it twenty or thirty
[35:01] Speaker 1: times explicitly in the Old Testament.
[35:04] Speaker 4: People constantly the Covenant for and like people who get
[35:08] Speaker 4: who are in Israel exiled from from the people and
[35:13] Speaker 4: passed out from among your people, and that kind of
[35:15] Speaker 4: that kind of stuff. From what I always understood, God
[35:21] Speaker 4: walks they're.
[35:21] Speaker 1: In vassal treaty. Do you know what a soustern vassal
[35:24] Speaker 1: treaty is?
[35:25] Speaker 4: No, Okay, so I'm a little bit of a I'm
[35:28] Speaker 4: a little bit of a moron, So I mean so.
[35:32] Speaker 1: Astern vassal treaty is a treaty between a higher level
[35:36] Speaker 1: kingdom and a lower level kingdom. It's kind of like
[35:38] Speaker 1: how a mob boss would go in to like a
[35:42] Speaker 1: local shop owner and shake them up and be like, hey,
[35:45] Speaker 1: you got a nice shop. Here'd be a shame if
[35:47] Speaker 1: something happened to it, but for the right price, I'll
[35:49] Speaker 1: protect you. That's a sousern vassal treaty where a larger
[35:53] Speaker 1: overlord is granting you protection, but also they need some
[35:57] Speaker 1: stuff from you, like when they go to war, you
[35:59] Speaker 1: have to give them some of your men to go
[36:00] Speaker 1: to war. The deuterotomic code reads identical to all of
[36:06] Speaker 1: the classic ancient Neaistern, Seusser and vassal treaties, including the
[36:10] Speaker 1: blessings and cursings at the end of the treaty. And
[36:13] Speaker 1: so what you have between Israel and their God is
[36:18] Speaker 1: just a treaty of here are my demands for me
[36:22] Speaker 1: to be your God and for you to be my people.
[36:24] Speaker 1: These are the demands I want you to meet now.
[36:27] Speaker 1: There's nothing to do with whether or not they're going
[36:29] Speaker 1: to go to heaven. And to be sure, there is
[36:31] Speaker 1: no real heaven. Heaven is just being resurrected. You get
[36:35] Speaker 1: resurrected on the last day and you get to live
[36:37] Speaker 1: on the earth forever. So the reality is there were
[36:41] Speaker 1: lots of people not in Israel, and you're not in Israelite.
[36:46] Speaker 1: Were that were, the God would have granted you eternal
[36:51] Speaker 1: life just like the Israelites. As long as you live
[36:54] Speaker 1: a decent life. That's why Jewish people don't worry about me.
[36:57] Speaker 1: They don't worry about atheists because they don't think I'm
[36:59] Speaker 1: going to hell. Okay, you know, so for example, I
[37:04] Speaker 1: did a video with my one of my Rabbi friends
[37:07] Speaker 1: not that long ago, and you would think that he's
[37:10] Speaker 1: an Orthodox Jew. He'd be trying to convert me, you know,
[37:12] Speaker 1: since we're friends. He doesn't care. It's not his job to.
[37:16] Speaker 1: They don't care to convert me to them. The resurrection
[37:18] Speaker 1: of the righteous is not about whether or not you
[37:22] Speaker 1: believe the right thing. It's about whether whether or not
[37:24] Speaker 1: you lived the right life.
[37:27] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[37:30] Speaker 1: So this idea that God's going to send you to
[37:33] Speaker 1: eternal fire because you've committed one sin, and because you've
[37:38] Speaker 1: committed one sin, you're imperfect. Now he just has to
[37:41] Speaker 1: burn you and fire forever. None of that's in the
[37:43] Speaker 1: Hebrew Bible. That's all manufactured to make sense of the
[37:47] Speaker 1: New Testament.
[37:49] Speaker 4: Yeah, that does not make sense. I mean that doesn't like, why.
[37:52] Speaker 1: Would it, Why would loving fathers send any of his
[37:55] Speaker 1: children to eternal fire?
[37:58] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean even if I was to go back
[38:02] Speaker 4: to Christian and I could not go back to eternal
[38:05] Speaker 4: conscious torment or whatever they call it, that's like, that's
[38:09] Speaker 4: that's insane to me.
[38:11] Speaker 1: Well, let's take let's take another kick at one of
[38:15] Speaker 1: the legs of the stool. So we talked about the
[38:18] Speaker 1: nonsensical nature of the blood sacrifice. The other problem is
[38:22] Speaker 1: that Jesus is purportedly the Messiah. The reality is he
[38:25] Speaker 1: didn't fulfill a single Messianic prophecy a Dalton, you knew
[38:27] Speaker 1: I was going to do this. So in order for
[38:30] Speaker 1: Jesus to be the Messiah, one he had to at
[38:32] Speaker 1: least be a king. Number two, he had to bring
[38:34] Speaker 1: his people back to Israel. Number three, he had to
[38:38] Speaker 1: reinstitute the Mosaic law. And number four, he had to
[38:41] Speaker 1: defeat all of Israel's enemies so that they actually had peace.
[38:45] Speaker 1: The reality is Jesus didn't do not even one of
[38:48] Speaker 1: those things.
[38:53] Speaker 4: Yeah, yep. All the things they point to with prophecy
[38:58] Speaker 4: are very they're kind of yeah, it's rough. It's a
[39:04] Speaker 4: rough situation.
[39:06] Speaker 1: The prophecies are quite spurious. Some of them don't even exist.
[39:11] Speaker 1: So in Matthew twenty seven, Matthew quotes a passage mistakenly
[39:17] Speaker 1: from Zachariah eleven and attributes it as a prophecy about
[39:22] Speaker 1: Jesus in Jeremiah. So not only did he get the
[39:24] Speaker 1: wrong prophet, but if you actually read the prophecy in Jeremiah,
[39:28] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. In Zachariah eleven has nothing to do with
[39:30] Speaker 1: the Messiah being betrayed whatsoever. No one gets portrayed in
[39:34] Speaker 1: that prophecy, has nothing to do with Jesus. He just
[39:37] Speaker 1: remembered the word thirty pieces of silver and was.
[39:39] Speaker 4: Like, Oh, this guy over here, I know what you're
[39:42] Speaker 4: talking about. I don't think that's a good example, though,
[39:44] Speaker 4: because that I mean, if I remember correctly, he doesn't
[39:47] Speaker 4: say this is what Jeremiah wrote. It says this is
[39:52] Speaker 4: what Jeremiah spoke. And there are all kinds of other things,
[39:55] Speaker 4: but I will think it's a really good one to
[39:56] Speaker 4: nail it down on, Like there are all kinds of
[39:58] Speaker 4: others spoken oral traditions of the prophets, like the one
[40:02] Speaker 4: you get in Jude, of the book of those kind
[40:06] Speaker 4: of things.
[40:06] Speaker 3: That's written, that's written down to first chapter one, verse nine.
[40:12] Speaker 4: Yeah, right, the one in Matthew. I think it says
[40:15] Speaker 4: that to be sure, we have no we have.
[40:17] Speaker 1: No record of what Jeremiah spoke other than his writings.
[40:21] Speaker 9: That's it.
[40:21] Speaker 1: Jesus didn't. But there are all kinds of Jesus any.
[40:28] Speaker 4: Well there But there are all kinds of quotes of
[40:31] Speaker 4: the oral tradition and all kinds of thing. I mean,
[40:34] Speaker 4: I mean that I've never heard them on.
[40:40] Speaker 1: The reality is that about the one where directly take
[40:44] Speaker 1: the Lord that is taken directly from zach Rya, chapter
[40:50] Speaker 1: eleven in the Greek Sceptu Agent. We know it's not
[40:53] Speaker 1: from Jeremiah, right zach Ryan. I see exactly what years
[41:00] Speaker 1: after Jeremiah. So Zachariah quote, way after Jeremiah was already dead.
[41:05] Speaker 1: So Jeremiah is not out here quoting zachar I.
[41:07] Speaker 4: Am, yeah, yeah, it didn't work.
[41:20] Speaker 3: I think this is why other gospel authors attempt to
[41:23] Speaker 3: omit that the name Jeremiah in their in their rendition
[41:27] Speaker 3: of the gospel, because they're trying to make up for
[41:30] Speaker 3: Matthew's mistake.
[41:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.
[41:37] Speaker 5: So.
[41:38] Speaker 1: I mean the reality is, if God doesn't have to
[41:41] Speaker 1: murder his son to forgive you, and Jesus didn't fulfill
[41:44] Speaker 1: a single Messianic prophecy, then Christianity is dead in the water.
[41:47] Speaker 1: It's useless, It doesn't do anything for anyone.
[41:57] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, there's some I have some kind of just
[42:03] Speaker 4: hold on me that is almost like almost like a
[42:09] Speaker 4: there's there's something out there, and like there is there
[42:13] Speaker 4: is some type of spiritual realm, there's something beyond the
[42:17] Speaker 4: physical there. I mean, it just seems like you can't
[42:21] Speaker 4: shake this sense that there's something beyond it and in
[42:25] Speaker 4: just everybody, like universally, ninety seven percent of people feel
[42:31] Speaker 4: that way. And it's a really strange thing to try to. Yeah,
[42:35] Speaker 4: and I have as well. I Mean, it's like I
[42:38] Speaker 4: see that I kind of them of two minds of it.
[42:42] Speaker 4: It's like I go back and forth between this is
[42:44] Speaker 4: a very natural world and the see you know, I
[42:46] Speaker 4: hear Christians talking about praying for stuff, and I'm like,
[42:49] Speaker 4: it's sounds ridiculous, and then at the same time I
[42:53] Speaker 4: still say it myself though.
[42:55] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[42:56] Speaker 3: It's called the hyper agency distection. We have a naturalistic
[42:59] Speaker 3: explanation for the phenomenon that you're experiencing.
[43:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, you you explain that, What does that mean?
[43:11] Speaker 3: Basically, imagine your idea and imagine you have a deer
[43:15] Speaker 3: that's eating from the grass of the forest and here's
[43:19] Speaker 3: a rustling in the bushes. The safe thing to do
[43:22] Speaker 3: would be to assume it's a predator, that there's an
[43:25] Speaker 3: agent involved with the sound. It could be the wind,
[43:29] Speaker 3: but it's safer to assume it's a predator an agent.
[43:32] Speaker 3: Over millions of years of evolution, many mammals have developed
[43:37] Speaker 3: hyper agency detection awareness, including apes. We have this within
[43:43] Speaker 3: this So it's like you hear like a rustling in
[43:46] Speaker 3: the wind or down an alley, your first thought is
[43:49] Speaker 3: that it's someone, not something, and that same underlying mechanism
[43:55] Speaker 3: in your brain is going to be responsible for you
[43:58] Speaker 3: attributing agents that you cannot see to things.
[44:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, it makes sense, it makes sense.
[44:08] Speaker 1: There's also another really interesting, like evolutionary We're going to
[44:12] Speaker 1: call it a gift that we have as human beings,
[44:16] Speaker 1: where we have an innate desire for parentage as human beings,
[44:24] Speaker 1: and that doesn't go away as we age, like we age,
[44:26] Speaker 1: our parents pass on, but that that idea that there
[44:30] Speaker 1: isn't there's a parent watching over you never goes away, right,
[44:34] Speaker 1: So if you if you had parents, or you wanted parents,
[44:40] Speaker 1: likely the likely scenario is that at some point in
[44:43] Speaker 1: time you started to shift that parentage from your actual
[44:47] Speaker 1: birth parents to the God at some point. Not everyone
[44:51] Speaker 1: has it, but it's common enough in the in the
[44:54] Speaker 1: world that it really does explain why so many people
[44:57] Speaker 1: have like this inner desire to be parented.
[45:02] Speaker 4: You know. Yeah, yeah, okay, all right, well that makes sense.
[45:12] Speaker 4: I appreciate it. It's uh, you know, the the the
[45:16] Speaker 4: pieces about the Bible. I get it. It's very much
[45:19] Speaker 4: like I've really cast off kind of an air and
[45:24] Speaker 4: see from from a long time ago. So it doesn't
[45:26] Speaker 4: those kinds of kind of things don't necessarily bother man.
[45:28] Speaker 4: I've kind of gone back and forth between like possibly
[45:31] Speaker 4: something deist or something, you know, some type of something
[45:35] Speaker 4: out there that's not obviously not interacting in the world.
[45:41] Speaker 4: But I don't know, it's just tough to shake. But
[45:44] Speaker 4: there's definitely I mean, there's there's definitely good explanations for
[45:47] Speaker 4: why it's tough to shake.
[45:48] Speaker 1: I guess I get it. Yeah, And Deism makes way
[45:51] Speaker 1: more sense of Christianity. Like if you said, I can't
[45:54] Speaker 1: believe Christianity anymore, but I'm gonna move to Deism. I mean,
[45:57] Speaker 1: that's it. That's a huge leap with you being like
[46:01] Speaker 1: honest with the with the evidence.
[46:03] Speaker 3: You know.
[46:05] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. All right, Thanks very much.
[46:11] Speaker 4: Thanks for jing Jerry.
[46:12] Speaker 1: It was good to talk to your friend. Best luck
[46:14] Speaker 1: on your journey.
[46:14] Speaker 4: Okay, did next for Chures?
[46:19] Speaker 1: Man, he's in it. He's in the middle of it,
[46:21] Speaker 1: so best of luck to him. I see King rat
[46:24] Speaker 1: Is and and siege slappers back. We'll grab the next
[46:28] Speaker 1: guest here in a minute. I've got a couple of
[46:29] Speaker 1: super chests to read out. Midlife. Christ's great to see
[46:32] Speaker 1: you tonight. Midlife says Jeremiah seven twenty two. It says
[46:36] Speaker 1: in the day God took the Israelites out of Egypt,
[46:38] Speaker 1: he didn't command burnt offerings. Apologists claim that the day
[46:41] Speaker 1: is key because there were no burnt offerings in the wilderness. Thoughts. Okay,
[46:45] Speaker 1: so what I know this apologetic and even the apologetic fails.
[46:49] Speaker 1: First of all, it's it's probably clear. I could go
[46:53] Speaker 1: through all of Jeremiah and see how Jeremiah uses this phrase.
[46:56] Speaker 1: But I know for sure in Jeremiah thirty three and others,
[46:59] Speaker 1: he uses the day to refer to an era, a
[47:02] Speaker 1: time period, like like a window of time, not a
[47:06] Speaker 1: specific day. That being said, we could be hyper literal
[47:09] Speaker 1: with it. We can say, listen, Jeremiah said the day,
[47:13] Speaker 1: it must be the day. Well, he's still fucking wrong,
[47:16] Speaker 1: because literally, twenty less than twenty four hours before they left,
[47:20] Speaker 1: they were given sacrificed offerings for the passover lamb. It
[47:24] Speaker 1: literally hours before they left, they were given this instruction
[47:29] Speaker 1: and then they did it, and then they fucked off
[47:32] Speaker 1: thirty seconds after they ate the lamb like it was
[47:35] Speaker 1: the same day.
[47:37] Speaker 3: It's probably the most famous aspect of the Exodus story.
[47:42] Speaker 11: It's like, the one thing you learned from Exodus is
[47:45] Speaker 11: like the night they left, they had to kill this animal,
[47:49] Speaker 11: sacrifice it, eat it, don't leave anything remaining, paint their doorpost,
[47:53] Speaker 11: and then do this festival.
[47:54] Speaker 1: For the rest of time. It's crazy that someone thought
[47:59] Speaker 1: of that. Apologetic you can can tell whoever thought of
[48:02] Speaker 1: it just never read the book and we're used to that. Derek,
[48:07] Speaker 1: thank you so much for your gifting out fifty Deconstruction
[48:11] Speaker 1: Zone Debates DZ Debate memberships. I super appreciate that. That
[48:15] Speaker 1: is huge, Derek. That is a humongous win. Thank you
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[48:30] Speaker 1: welcome in. Thank you for the supertest, says Justin. I
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[49:11] Speaker 9: He eats cats.
[49:13] Speaker 1: I know I had the doll grown up. I had
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[49:21] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the twenty dour Canadian chat
[49:24] Speaker 1: says still believe that that's actually real money, unlike ours,
[49:27] Speaker 1: still believe that the rapture didn't take place because Jesus
[49:30] Speaker 1: got abducted by the Autnakis on his way to Earth.
[49:33] Speaker 1: I think Caucasian space. Jesus got lost in outer space somewhere.
[49:37] Speaker 1: He didn't know how to turn the rocket boosters off
[49:39] Speaker 1: when he got out of like the stratosphere and just
[49:42] Speaker 1: kept going for oblivion and he can't find his way back.
[49:45] Speaker 1: It seems to make sense, seems to make sense. I mean,
[49:47] Speaker 1: Larry Wait, I see it.
[49:49] Speaker 8: Caucasian space Jesus got beat up by ripped Korean Jesus,
[49:53] Speaker 8: and ripped Korean Jesus just wasn't interested in coming back
[49:56] Speaker 8: because the only people who wanted the rapture were white
[49:58] Speaker 8: people in the US.
[49:59] Speaker 1: Anyway, A million percent, A million percent, And thank you
[50:04] Speaker 1: so much, Larry Beck for the ten dollars super thanks.
[50:06] Speaker 1: I super appreciate that, friend, and SLJ thank you for
[50:09] Speaker 1: the ten dour supertest says the moment someonet asserts God exists,
[50:12] Speaker 1: they're likely to embrace anti vaccine, flat earth, anti intellectual ideas,
[50:16] Speaker 1: unsubstantiated beliefs, breed further unfounded claims. And this is not
[50:21] Speaker 1: just true by your observation. We have done psychological studies
[50:24] Speaker 1: on people, and we know that people that are raised
[50:27] Speaker 1: in a religion and believe in that religion are way
[50:31] Speaker 1: more likely to believe in conspiracy theories. They're way more likely.
[50:36] Speaker 3: So it's I mean, evangelical Christian kind of prompts you
[50:39] Speaker 3: for it. Once you start believing that there is an
[50:42] Speaker 3: evil invisible force rule behind all governmental power is really
[50:48] Speaker 3: it doesn't get it doesn't take long for you to
[50:49] Speaker 3: get to evil cabal.
[50:51] Speaker 1: Indeed, and I am the big cheese Thank you for
[50:54] Speaker 1: the ten dour supertest. Do you think Paul and Peter
[50:56] Speaker 1: knew the empty tomb story as described in the Synoptic
[50:59] Speaker 1: Gospel's Life never mentioned? Where would you find the earliest
[51:05] Speaker 1: extra biblical reference to Mary's and to Mary, to the
[51:10] Speaker 1: Mary's or to Mary's account and the empty tomb? So
[51:14] Speaker 1: the earliest account of Mary's situation, as I don't I
[51:20] Speaker 1: don't know. I guess I never looked for one, the
[51:23] Speaker 1: earliest Marrell mentioned for her. Well, so here's here's my
[51:27] Speaker 1: opinion on the late edition to Mark. I think the
[51:29] Speaker 1: late edition to Mark was added after John already came out.
[51:33] Speaker 1: John came out and had Mary going to the tomb alone,
[51:36] Speaker 1: and people were like, oh fuck, that's not what ours said,
[51:40] Speaker 1: and so they added another ending, like a just a
[51:45] Speaker 1: note at the end of Mark, at the end of
[51:48] Speaker 1: the long ending saying oh yeah, he appeared to Mary
[51:50] Speaker 1: Magdalene first, just trying to like, we gotta got to
[51:52] Speaker 1: fix this problem, right. So I think the late ending
[51:54] Speaker 1: of Mark actually came out at the earliest, maybe ninety
[51:59] Speaker 1: two one hundred, after John was probably already out.
[52:03] Speaker 3: Certainly, when we read Paul's letters, which is our earliest
[52:06] Speaker 3: source on the resurrection, there is no mention of Mary Magdalen,
[52:10] Speaker 3: and he specifically says that Jesus first appeared to Cephis
[52:13] Speaker 3: to Peter, So as far as Paul knew, Peter was
[52:18] Speaker 3: the first person to have the revelation.
[52:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, and keep in mind too, Paul was pretty much
[52:24] Speaker 1: if you read his authentic letters minus the one part
[52:27] Speaker 1: in Corinthians fourteen, he was pretty egalitarian. If he knew
[52:31] Speaker 1: that the women had been shown the resurrector Jesus, he
[52:35] Speaker 1: would have just said it. He had no problems. This
[52:39] Speaker 1: Paul that hates women is a pall of the non
[52:42] Speaker 1: Pauline corpus. These are people later writing in Paul's name,
[52:46] Speaker 1: that need to smack women down, They need to lower
[52:50] Speaker 1: their position within the churches. Ray thank you for the
[52:53] Speaker 1: ten of super says Doug loves when you take them
[52:55] Speaker 1: for grant. He does not. He'll still forgive you if
[52:59] Speaker 1: you take him for granted, but he doesn't love it.
[53:01] Speaker 1: He doesn't. That's blasphemy, that is blasphemy true? Thank you
[53:05] Speaker 1: so much for the Ten That War supertest and says,
[53:06] Speaker 1: I want to thank you for dedicating your time to
[53:08] Speaker 1: help some us to understand the book. The Christians can't
[53:12] Speaker 1: even explain. I need a T shirt with the Jesus
[53:15] Speaker 1: is Not Coming back image? Is dope? I could. I
[53:18] Speaker 1: could probably make that happen. Actually could, I could? I
[53:21] Speaker 1: could make that a reality. I wanna get one more
[53:23] Speaker 1: super chat. Then we're gonna get in King Rat best
[53:27] Speaker 1: in show. Thank you so much for the Ten That Doar.
[53:28] Speaker 1: Superjest says, didn't yahweh free Israelites from slavery in Egypt?
[53:31] Speaker 1: But then yahwe wrote new slavery laws for Moses, for
[53:35] Speaker 1: slavery of non Israelites. Why do we celebrate the Passover? Yes,
[53:39] Speaker 1: that's exactly what he did. He says, I freed you
[53:41] Speaker 1: from slavery. You're you are not to be sold as
[53:43] Speaker 1: slaves because you are my slaves. It's Leviticus twenty five
[53:47] Speaker 1: thirty nine through forty three says you are my slaves.
[53:51] Speaker 1: So this is a property crime. That's why he doesn't
[53:53] Speaker 1: want his people being slaves. And even at the beginning
[53:56] Speaker 1: of the book, Adam was made placed in the garden
[54:00] Speaker 1: to slave in the garden. It usually translates to work
[54:03] Speaker 1: or to tend the garden, but it's the same Hebrew
[54:06] Speaker 1: root evid is the same word you find in Genesis,
[54:09] Speaker 1: as you'll find later in Liviticas for slavery. God wanted
[54:14] Speaker 1: the Israelites to be his slaves, not somebody else's slaves.
[54:18] Speaker 1: He wasn't that nice.
[54:20] Speaker 3: Another t shirt idea, Jesus is returning for the rapture,
[54:24] Speaker 3: but he gets stopped by ice agents and that's.
[54:25] Speaker 5: Why he never makes it.
[54:27] Speaker 3: Yes, yes, we need accurate Jesus.
[54:31] Speaker 8: I mean his name is Jesus, like when you expect.
[54:39] Speaker 1: Uh, and you know he don't have any papers. He
[54:40] Speaker 1: can't even write. What was he gonna do?
[54:43] Speaker 4: Read him?
[54:45] Speaker 6: All right?
[54:45] Speaker 1: King Rat is still loading. We'll give him a second
[54:48] Speaker 1: to catch up. I have a bad connection, King, are
[54:57] Speaker 1: you coming.
[55:00] Speaker 4: Well?
[55:00] Speaker 1: While he's loaded? If you're watching on YouTube, you can
[55:03] Speaker 1: join using the link in the description or the link
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[55:28] Speaker 1: King Rat's not gonna make it in, so we'll put
[55:33] Speaker 1: an X on king Rat and move on to the
[55:36] Speaker 1: next one. Looks like Patrick was next in line. We're
[55:40] Speaker 1: gonna get Patrick from our YouTube queue. And there we go.
[55:46] Speaker 1: Welcome and Patrick, Hello, Can you hear me?
[55:49] Speaker 12: Yeah?
[55:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, I can hear him.
[55:53] Speaker 12: Okay, Patrick, what do you mean?
[55:56] Speaker 1: And do you believe in God?
[55:59] Speaker 4: Yeah? Okay?
[56:01] Speaker 1: And which God?
[56:04] Speaker 12: I'm basically a deist.
[56:07] Speaker 1: You're a deist, So you don't believe in Christianity or
[56:12] Speaker 1: Islam or Judaism or none of that stuff.
[56:16] Speaker 9: No.
[56:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, would you swear by the name of Jesus that
[56:19] Speaker 1: you don't believe in Jesus?
[56:21] Speaker 4: Uh?
[56:22] Speaker 12: I mean, I believe he's a real person, but swear.
[56:26] Speaker 1: By the name of Jesus that you don't think he's
[56:28] Speaker 1: God or that the Bible is true?
[56:31] Speaker 13: Uh yeah, yeah, no say it. Oh, I swear well.
[56:37] Speaker 13: I don't want to throw some bad juju in the.
[56:39] Speaker 1: Air, but it sounds like it sounds like you actually are. Yeah.
[56:42] Speaker 14: Yeah.
[56:43] Speaker 1: Every deist I've ever had come up with her is
[56:45] Speaker 1: lying to me about their religion because they don't want
[56:47] Speaker 1: to get cooked on. It sounds like you're just one
[56:48] Speaker 1: of the many.
[56:50] Speaker 13: Okay, what do you mean by imaginary though? I think
[56:52] Speaker 13: that's the most important part.
[56:54] Speaker 1: So you're gonna need to be honest before you can
[56:56] Speaker 1: move forward. Which God do you believe in? Just be
[56:59] Speaker 1: honest about it.
[57:02] Speaker 12: I'm basically a disc basically what's the exception.
[57:08] Speaker 13: Oh, you know, I'm open to new things, like I
[57:15] Speaker 13: have an open mind if I see new evidence.
[57:19] Speaker 1: Okay, So then, Wilson, we'll just need you to then
[57:22] Speaker 1: swear by the name of Jesus that you don't think
[57:24] Speaker 1: he's God.
[57:25] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[57:28] Speaker 13: Well, I don't understand what that has to do with
[57:30] Speaker 13: the uh word that you can't imaginary proved me wrong.
[57:33] Speaker 1: It's word that you can't do it.
[57:36] Speaker 12: Okay, jess No, no, okay, I find I swear by
[57:39] Speaker 12: the name of Jesus that he wasn't God.
[57:42] Speaker 1: Okay, cool? Uh, Now tell me about your deistic God.
[57:45] Speaker 1: What's the the argument or the evidence that would lead
[57:49] Speaker 1: one to believe in some sort of deistic concept?
[57:54] Speaker 12: Okay, but first I want to understand what you mean
[57:56] Speaker 12: by imaginary means you.
[57:58] Speaker 1: Can imagine in your head, but you can demonstrated to
[58:00] Speaker 1: be true in real life. So I will that's going
[58:04] Speaker 1: to hold true because you don't want to actually give
[58:07] Speaker 1: me the evidence for your God. You want to complain
[58:09] Speaker 1: about my prompt.
[58:11] Speaker 12: Well, I'm not trying to complain. I'm trying to hold
[58:13] Speaker 12: you to a strict definition.
[58:16] Speaker 1: Sounds like crying what it sounds like to me. So
[58:19] Speaker 1: to be sure, you don't have an argument for your
[58:22] Speaker 1: God being real?
[58:24] Speaker 4: Oh I do?
[58:24] Speaker 15: Okay, but okay, so.
[58:26] Speaker 13: This pie my God is that is the same amount
[58:30] Speaker 13: of real as something like a circle or like pie?
[58:33] Speaker 12: You know, are those imaginary.
[58:37] Speaker 1: Depends?
[58:38] Speaker 5: You?
[58:38] Speaker 1: Like if I write it down, I mean, like argue
[58:42] Speaker 1: what they are?
[58:42] Speaker 13: Right?
[58:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't believe that numbers are real.
[58:45] Speaker 1: To be sure, I think their abstract concept. So if
[58:47] Speaker 1: you think God is an abstract concept, then you don't
[58:49] Speaker 1: believe in God. You're an atheist, buddy.
[58:52] Speaker 12: Well, I believe God is as real as numbers or
[58:56] Speaker 12: you know it's real like that.
[58:59] Speaker 3: In that sense, welcome to.
[59:03] Speaker 8: Do you think that number? Do you think that numbers
[59:05] Speaker 8: exist or do you think that numbers are human inventions?
[59:09] Speaker 12: I think something can exist and to be a human invention?
[59:12] Speaker 2: Well, I mean so God like a well like is
[59:17] Speaker 2: justice real?
[59:18] Speaker 12: Is love real? Is logic real? All of that according
[59:21] Speaker 12: to you as imaginary? It's not real?
[59:22] Speaker 8: Here is Voldemort real?
[59:26] Speaker 13: It's Baltimore is real within the context of a Harry
[59:29] Speaker 13: Potter book. He's not a real human being in real life.
[59:33] Speaker 8: Is the God that you believe in real like Voldemort
[59:35] Speaker 8: is real?
[59:36] Speaker 4: Or is it real like you know?
[59:38] Speaker 8: Justin is real?
[59:40] Speaker 12: It's real like the concept of justice or grace?
[59:44] Speaker 1: Or it's imaginary?
[59:47] Speaker 2: Thanks?
[59:47] Speaker 1: You agree with me that your God is imaginary? Is
[59:49] Speaker 1: something you made up in your head? Cool?
[59:52] Speaker 12: Well, well okay, it's it's real. But then your position
[59:57] Speaker 12: is that.
[59:57] Speaker 1: You get out of here. You don't believe in God,
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: girl a set of balls, and just admit you're an atheist.
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: No one gives a shit if you're in the atheist closet.
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: Just come out justin all.
[1:00:08] Speaker 8: Nice, Some people are Look okay, actually, you know what
[1:00:12] Speaker 8: I just applied to work at Baylor, and I'm like, look,
[1:00:14] Speaker 8: I'm Jewish. It counts like I have to pretend right.
[1:00:18] Speaker 8: And by the way, don't send this to Baylor because
[1:00:20] Speaker 8: then they won't hire me.
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: Whatever you do, don't do that.
[1:00:25] Speaker 8: But like, I could get why people are like afraid
[1:00:27] Speaker 8: or like reticent to like admit that they're an atheist
[1:00:30] Speaker 8: because there's stigma there.
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: I guess maybe you might be right. Well, I'll pray
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: on it later.
[1:00:39] Speaker 4: Truth.
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[1:00:42] Speaker 1: super super appreciate it, and so do the five people
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[1:00:48] Speaker 1: big w let's see some ws for Zen. Thank you
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: for the fifty dollars super chat. My friend says, Hi,
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: justin still trying to follow you from stream to stream.
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[1:01:03] Speaker 1: I love Octoberfest. It's the one holidaated holiday dedicated to
[1:01:09] Speaker 1: getting light beers off the menu, and I am all
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: for it. Light beers are if Satan existed, He's the
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: reason why light beers were invented. So big w ZN
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: we will be celebrating Octoberfest, and I appreciate that. Jeric,
[1:01:24] Speaker 1: my friend good to see you tonight, says, here's some
[1:01:26] Speaker 1: money just for the cat's treats. If I don't hear
[1:01:29] Speaker 1: from from your cat that he got it, I'm never
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: donating again. Family for Sharon and rockovered Pie will let
[1:01:37] Speaker 1: you know. I promise I'll make a video just for you, Jeric,
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: of Pie eating his treats. He's currently not even eating
[1:01:44] Speaker 1: his normal food right now because he's he's only nibbling.
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: But in another week or two, when he's when he's
[1:01:49] Speaker 1: fully recovered, I think he'll I think he'll be okay,
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: and big Cheese, thank you so much for the five hours.
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: Super Jest says people have lucky underwear and ritual customs
[1:01:57] Speaker 1: for their favorite sports team, same human behavior behind all magic,
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: sacrifice and prayers. I almost agree with you, Cheese. Here's
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: where I'll deviate because like I played football and wrestling
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: and all this stuff, and I had like the lucky
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: shirt that I wore all four years of high school
[1:02:13] Speaker 1: for every football game. But for a lot of us,
[1:02:15] Speaker 1: it wasn't a spiritual thing. It was a ritual thing.
[1:02:19] Speaker 1: Like this is how I feel comfortable. Not because I
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: think this thing aids me, but more or less like
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: it just it worked then, like I wore it and
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: we won. Why change. I'm just gonna what you know
[1:02:33] Speaker 1: it must have. It's a it's just a mental thing.
[1:02:35] Speaker 1: It's a policeble thing for most of us. And Lord says,
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: take my monetary sacrifice to Doug, keep me and mine hard.
[1:02:42] Speaker 1: Sharon Wett Absolutely, Lord, aluminous pooh, good to see you tonight,
[1:02:47] Speaker 1: and Doug certainly appreciates it. I'm actually using super chap
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: money to set up a shrine for Doug for for
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: libations and incense sacrifices. So I've got to three D
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: print the altar still yet. But I'm three D printing
[1:03:03] Speaker 1: a legitimate ancient year. Isn't be really good? Jennifer, thank
[1:03:06] Speaker 1: you for the Doctor says, as tech sacrifice prisoners to
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: the sun. There is a sun still sacrifices work shit premise,
[1:03:15] Speaker 1: nemver was I guess I believe in whatever the as
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: texts believe now, uh cooked.
[1:03:25] Speaker 10: All right?
[1:03:25] Speaker 1: Last one for now from our friend doctor Joe. Good
[1:03:27] Speaker 1: to see doctor Joe. Doctor Joe says, Doctor Blitz, I'd
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: love to have you in Texas. But don't do it.
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: Texas colleges are cultish, conservative, grapey, and gross. That's most
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: likely true.
[1:03:40] Speaker 8: I mean, yeah, but you take the job where you
[1:03:43] Speaker 8: can get one, right, bliss, You're coming to Texas, I'm
[1:03:46] Speaker 8: applying to I'm actually applying to several universities in Texas
[1:03:50] Speaker 8: because funnily enough, it turns out when you are, you know,
[1:03:54] Speaker 8: draconian and authoritarian like Texas is, people don't want to
[1:03:58] Speaker 8: go there.
[1:04:00] Speaker 3: Well, if you end up in near northeast Texas, I
[1:04:03] Speaker 3: mean you're gonna hook up.
[1:04:06] Speaker 8: I'll keep it in mind.
[1:04:08] Speaker 1: Are we got Rake Hell coming in next? Did I
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: say your name right? Or screw it up?
[1:04:16] Speaker 2: Uh?
[1:04:16] Speaker 4: Can you hear me?
[1:04:17] Speaker 6: Yep?
[1:04:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's Rachel. It's a Hebrew word or three words
[1:04:22] Speaker 2: combined technically cool?
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: Are you at least eighteen? And do you believe in God?
[1:04:29] Speaker 4: Thirty?
[1:04:29] Speaker 6: Yes?
[1:04:30] Speaker 2: Nineteen?
[1:04:32] Speaker 9: Cool?
[1:04:32] Speaker 1: And which guy do you believe in?
[1:04:35] Speaker 2: Probably a combination of a lot of factors, but the
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: Abrahamic one somewhat follows what I believe.
[1:04:41] Speaker 1: Okay, does your God have properties like is he all
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: knowing and all good and all that stuff?
[1:04:47] Speaker 2: I think that God's capable of changing his mind, which
[1:04:49] Speaker 2: means ominiscence is a paradox. But other than that, I mean, yeah,
[1:04:53] Speaker 2: he has like very powerful qualities. He's just not perfect.
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, but does he know all things?
[1:05:01] Speaker 2: It's it's hard to say. I don't think anybody really
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: knows that.
[1:05:06] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, what's your opinion, though, I don't.
[1:05:09] Speaker 2: Think he knows everything or else. It wouldn't make sense
[1:05:11] Speaker 2: for him to test somebody. So he clearly can change
[1:05:14] Speaker 2: his mind, or he clearly doesn't know every single thing
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: that's going to happen.
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: Okay, so you think that the God does test people?
[1:05:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I think God tests us every
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: day honestly.
[1:05:24] Speaker 3: Oh, he's more biblically accurate at least than most Christians.
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: Well I'm Jewish actually.
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: So yeah, we assumed you were Christian? Yeah Christian?
[1:05:32] Speaker 2: Would I mean, I am not tech. I work with
[1:05:35] Speaker 2: Christian ministries as like homeless outreach because in Seattle there's
[1:05:38] Speaker 2: just a lot of issues. But I mean, I'm like,
[1:05:41] Speaker 2: I'm something. You know, I'm definitely something. Can I ask
[1:05:44] Speaker 2: you a line of questioning?
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: Well, we're gonna talk about your God first, then you
[1:05:48] Speaker 1: get you can ask me what diver questions you want?
[1:05:49] Speaker 1: So sure, totally what would be like a good piece
[1:05:52] Speaker 1: of evidence or a good argument for why the God
[1:05:55] Speaker 1: you believe in exists.
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: I don't think there's any physical evidence of God.
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be physical.
[1:06:03] Speaker 2: I would say testimony, and which is admissible in court,
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: So that's evidence, at least in a court related matter.
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: Obviously testimony doesn't work in like scientific based relationships or
[1:06:15] Speaker 2: relations But I don't think there's such thing as physical evidence,
[1:06:18] Speaker 2: because my God would exist in a place that he
[1:06:22] Speaker 2: both permeates but also exists outside of our universe. So
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: you know, if I created a video game and then
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: I told somebody, all right, using only the properties that
[1:06:29] Speaker 2: game prove that I exist, no one would be able.
[1:06:31] Speaker 4: To do it.
[1:06:32] Speaker 2: There's no proof of that because I live in a
[1:06:33] Speaker 2: different plane of reality than that video game.
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: Okay, to just be sure there's no good argument for
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: your God existing.
[1:06:39] Speaker 2: Then, no, I never said that I wanted to ask
[1:06:42] Speaker 2: you a line of questions. You just didn't want me
[1:06:44] Speaker 2: to ask you.
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: Well, we're already in the line of questioning.
[1:06:48] Speaker 2: So it sounds like, yeah, but you're the one questioning
[1:06:51] Speaker 2: me so far. It sounds like you let me ask
[1:06:54] Speaker 2: you something.
[1:06:54] Speaker 4: Do you believe?
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: Do you believe you're like, uh, you're not done yet.
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: You're not gonna You're not gonna let me talk it.
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you talk. But I already know where
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: you're going, and it's not going to go anywhere you're going.
[1:07:04] Speaker 3: You do not know?
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: You don't You waste your time running to her. I
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: do this for a living. You're not going to bring anything, Okay,
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: So to be sure, the only argument you have for
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: your God existing is going to be personal experience. No, okay,
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: then what's the what's the other evidence?
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: I think it's more of a thought experiment that's worth
[1:07:26] Speaker 2: worth thinking about. It's not something that will prove that
[1:07:28] Speaker 2: God is real. But I will say this. If you
[1:07:30] Speaker 2: believe that the singularity contained all things, then you have
[1:07:33] Speaker 2: to consider that you don't believe this singularity. What do
[1:07:38] Speaker 2: you believe the universe.
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: Can No, it didn't come from any words eternal. That's
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: my belief.
[1:07:43] Speaker 2: So it is infinitely regressive. Yeah, do you believe that
[1:07:49] Speaker 2: it's an emergent property of things not existing? Therefore something exists? No,
[1:07:54] Speaker 2: what do you believe it came from?
[1:07:56] Speaker 1: It didn't come from any words eternal?
[1:07:58] Speaker 2: Okay, So that's so, then what causes what causes the
[1:08:02] Speaker 2: universe to collapse. Gravity what causes dark energy and dark
[1:08:08] Speaker 2: matter to fail?
[1:08:10] Speaker 1: It doesn't fail.
[1:08:12] Speaker 4: How do you know that? Why?
[1:08:14] Speaker 2: Stars, stars?
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: I've never observed it failing. Yes, to be sure, to
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: be sure, dark energy is is not even all that
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: well known. And also you've got right underneath of you
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: as a PhD physicist that has something to say about this.
[1:08:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, I actually think doctor Blitz is super fucking cool dude.
[1:08:33] Speaker 2: I have like doctor I Blitz, I really appreciate what
[1:08:35] Speaker 2: you've been doing. You guys really open up like a
[1:08:37] Speaker 2: lot of like good like you know, debates, and so
[1:08:40] Speaker 2: I actually I've never been able to talk to you,
[1:08:42] Speaker 2: doctor Blitz. You're always the fucking most popular dude on
[1:08:45] Speaker 2: TikTok sometimes but not really, which you know what I mean?
[1:08:51] Speaker 2: Can we talk about quantum physics because I believe that,
[1:08:54] Speaker 2: like entanglement is a big proof of at least something
[1:08:57] Speaker 2: greater than physical property.
[1:08:59] Speaker 8: Look, this is Justin live. It goes where Justin wants
[1:09:02] Speaker 8: it to go.
[1:09:03] Speaker 1: Okay, I mean you're welcome to, but you're not gonna
[1:09:05] Speaker 1: like where he goes.
[1:09:07] Speaker 2: You would be very surprised this is this is.
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: Going to end up with you saying quantum wu nonsensical
[1:09:14] Speaker 1: things that aren't supported by actual science, and then doctor
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: Blitz is going to have to educate you in front
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: of three thousand people.
[1:09:20] Speaker 2: You are making a lot of assumptions about things you
[1:09:22] Speaker 2: don't know.
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: Don't go ahead and make your recommend.
[1:09:24] Speaker 2: Then I think you have.
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: On YouTube right now, closer to two thousand.
[1:09:33] Speaker 2: We're on YouTube too. Fuck yeah, what's up YouTube? Look,
[1:09:38] Speaker 2: I don't want to be disrespectful to anybody here. I
[1:09:41] Speaker 2: want to just have a nice conversation because we're allowed
[1:09:45] Speaker 2: to have our beliefs. And I don't think there's anything
[1:09:46] Speaker 2: wrong with being an atheist per se. It's like, you know,
[1:09:49] Speaker 2: I was an atheist for like a long long time,
[1:09:51] Speaker 2: and you know, I just I changed my mind. Personally,
[1:09:55] Speaker 2: I will say this, I think that quantum entanglement is
[1:09:58] Speaker 2: a well proven thing.
[1:09:59] Speaker 4: It's not wo woo.
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: And if you can prove that two things can move
[1:10:06] Speaker 2: separate from each other but at the same time because
[1:10:08] Speaker 2: of each other, one thing's moves one way, the other
[1:10:10] Speaker 2: one instantly moves the other way, then that proves that
[1:10:13] Speaker 2: space has less spatial relations than we thought, and that
[1:10:16] Speaker 2: the universe might have been folded in on itself via
[1:10:19] Speaker 2: either time dilation or via gravitational wells, yeah.
[1:10:23] Speaker 1: What is it anything that I have to do with God? Sorry,
[1:10:25] Speaker 1: go ahead, blitz.
[1:10:27] Speaker 8: No, no, no, it's fine, it's fine. It wasn't on topics,
[1:10:29] Speaker 8: so I can just cover my ears and pretend it
[1:10:32] Speaker 8: didn't happen.
[1:10:34] Speaker 2: That would sounds like something y'all would do.
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: But yeah, well, can you tell us what that has
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: to do with God?
[1:10:41] Speaker 2: It proves that there's something more than what science can
[1:10:43] Speaker 2: prove right now, which means you guys have to admit
[1:10:45] Speaker 2: that you don't know if God exists or not.
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: So God of the gaps, well, I.
[1:10:50] Speaker 2: Mean a god of like you know, yes, yes, a
[1:10:54] Speaker 2: God of the gaps, but not really. Uh, if you
[1:10:56] Speaker 2: can't if you believe in the singularity, which clearly you don't,
[1:10:59] Speaker 2: but a lot of scientists do, then you have to
[1:11:01] Speaker 2: recognize well a lot of scientists. In fact, the most scientists.
[1:11:05] Speaker 1: Name a living scientist right now that believes there was
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: a singularity, I swear to God if he said, Stephen Hawkings.
[1:11:17] Speaker 8: I bet you could.
[1:11:19] Speaker 2: Probably.
[1:11:20] Speaker 8: I'm actually trying to think of one.
[1:11:22] Speaker 1: I'm sure there is one or two. There's got to
[1:11:23] Speaker 1: be some.
[1:11:25] Speaker 8: I mean, I guess is that it's probably sixty forty
[1:11:28] Speaker 8: or maybe seventy thirty.
[1:11:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm sure there are some.
[1:11:32] Speaker 3: I mean, you asked it for a living scientist, so
[1:11:34] Speaker 3: I would also be surprised if he says Stephen Hawking justin.
[1:11:39] Speaker 2: I think you can look up yourself, but you don't.
[1:11:41] Speaker 2: You don't want to know the truth.
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: Saw, Oh there it is? Yeah, okay, so would Why
[1:11:45] Speaker 1: would I believe in the singularity? Do you even know
[1:11:48] Speaker 1: what that means?
[1:11:50] Speaker 4: Yes?
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: I do.
[1:11:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, Actually I actually defined it earlier and you just disagreed.
[1:11:54] Speaker 4: With what I had to say.
[1:11:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, you did not define it.
[1:11:57] Speaker 2: The singularity as we know it is an inpotesse, a
[1:12:00] Speaker 2: point where all of life in the universe was condensed
[1:12:04] Speaker 2: in a really hot point and then everything exploded during
[1:12:06] Speaker 2: the Big Bine.
[1:12:08] Speaker 1: But you can have that, and that's not necessarily a singularity.
[1:12:10] Speaker 1: What do you think singularity means?
[1:12:13] Speaker 2: It means something that is monotonic. Do you know what
[1:12:17] Speaker 2: that means? Monotonic? It's reduced down to its singular, the
[1:12:21] Speaker 2: singularst smallest point it could possibly be.
[1:12:23] Speaker 8: Not what's singularity? That's not what monotonic means?
[1:12:26] Speaker 1: Well, yes, monotonic or want to be science guy.
[1:12:31] Speaker 8: So, monotonic is a It's an adjective use to describe functions.
[1:12:35] Speaker 8: And what a monotonic function is is that it's strictly increasing,
[1:12:40] Speaker 8: strictly decreased. Well, I shouldn't say strictly. It's either staying
[1:12:43] Speaker 8: the same or increasing or staying the same and decreasing.
[1:12:46] Speaker 8: Monotonic is not like something that's applied to physical systems.
[1:12:50] Speaker 8: It's applied to mathematical objects.
[1:12:58] Speaker 4: And more so.
[1:12:59] Speaker 2: Actually, yeah, I mean I already knew what it meant,
[1:13:01] Speaker 2: but I'm gonna have to prove to you guys that
[1:13:03] Speaker 2: I'm not stupid.
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: Uh well, too late for that.
[1:13:07] Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, man, you didn't even know what
[1:13:09] Speaker 2: monotomic meant. I knew that it was, I saying, okay,
[1:13:14] Speaker 2: so what's monotomic gold?
[1:13:15] Speaker 4: What is that?
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: Apparently you don't know.
[1:13:19] Speaker 2: I do know what my monotomic gold is.
[1:13:20] Speaker 8: I actually really don't you mean monoatomic.
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: He's looking up he's googling it right now. You know,
[1:13:27] Speaker 1: every time we swipe away, we can see you swipe away.
[1:13:30] Speaker 2: I was mispronouncing it.
[1:13:31] Speaker 1: Let me like, we're yeah, I know, we're watching you
[1:13:33] Speaker 1: swipe away to the internet to look it up.
[1:13:36] Speaker 2: I know, dude. I'm literally looking things up to read
[1:13:39] Speaker 2: definitions to you guys, because you keep saying I'm wrong
[1:13:41] Speaker 2: about ship that I'm right.
[1:13:42] Speaker 1: So you don't know that.
[1:13:43] Speaker 2: So I meant to say monoto, I meant to say
[1:13:45] Speaker 2: monotomic though monotomic, Yeah, I mean how you pronounced it's monotomically.
[1:13:49] Speaker 8: Wait, so is there an M there or an N
[1:13:52] Speaker 8: M O N O A T O M.
[1:13:54] Speaker 2: I see monolotonic one singular.
[1:13:56] Speaker 8: At on mono atomic is a chemistry thing.
[1:13:59] Speaker 6: I know this.
[1:14:00] Speaker 2: But chemistry has physical properties, does it not.
[1:14:03] Speaker 8: Yeah, but it doesn't have anything to do with the singularity.
[1:14:05] Speaker 2: Well, it could, though, because it's more of like a
[1:14:07] Speaker 2: broad range of terms where it's like something is essentially
[1:14:11] Speaker 2: as small as we can get it.
[1:14:12] Speaker 4: Now.
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: Obviously, the atom is not the smallest thing we know of,
[1:14:14] Speaker 2: but there could be something smaller and smaller than neutrons
[1:14:17] Speaker 2: or whatever, like smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller
[1:14:19] Speaker 2: than a proton, smaller and smaller and smaller and smaller,
[1:14:22] Speaker 2: And we don't know that yet. We haven't seen the
[1:14:24] Speaker 2: full depth of how small everything is.
[1:14:26] Speaker 1: Why would we believe that everything in the universe at
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: one point was monoatomic.
[1:14:33] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like maybe that's not the exact perfect
[1:14:37] Speaker 2: way to describe it. I would just say it's at
[1:14:38] Speaker 2: an infitestimal point, like it's it's a singular.
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: Mean, what does infinite? What does infitestimal mean in your
[1:14:44] Speaker 1: in your jargon? Here doesn't do anything?
[1:14:46] Speaker 4: Really?
[1:14:46] Speaker 2: Why you don't know my vocabulary? There's not buzz words
[1:14:50] Speaker 2: something I know.
[1:14:51] Speaker 1: It's infedestal. I can't even say I know what it means.
[1:14:55] Speaker 2: It doesn't for you, yeah, because it's really small and
[1:14:58] Speaker 2: I'm sorry, can't something you can't. I'm sorry that they're
[1:15:03] Speaker 2: hurting your little buzz That's.
[1:15:05] Speaker 1: Something that's infinitely small.
[1:15:09] Speaker 2: Andessimal.
[1:15:10] Speaker 1: I mean, it's not accurate, you know.
[1:15:14] Speaker 2: So you don't believe in So you don't believe in
[1:15:15] Speaker 2: the fourth dimension.
[1:15:16] Speaker 1: That I mean, I think the fourth dimension means something.
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: Then you think it does what do you think it means?
[1:15:22] Speaker 2: It's essentially the dimension of things going inwards? Or you
[1:15:26] Speaker 2: believe it's time. But I don't believe it's time. I
[1:15:28] Speaker 2: think it's doctor.
[1:15:30] Speaker 1: Is the fourth dimension time?
[1:15:33] Speaker 2: I did not say time. I said it was it
[1:15:35] Speaker 2: was the property of things going inwards on themselves. That's
[1:15:38] Speaker 2: what I said, so don't property don't okay? And so
[1:15:43] Speaker 2: what if you can see around you and there's three
[1:15:46] Speaker 2: dimensions on your eyes? You really just don't listen.
[1:15:51] Speaker 1: Reading literacy actually matters, like learning buzzwords will never get
[1:15:56] Speaker 1: you to argument.
[1:15:58] Speaker 2: What are you would are repeating has to do with
[1:16:05] Speaker 2: you're getting offended and I'm using words that you actually don't.
[1:16:08] Speaker 1: You're the one.
[1:16:08] Speaker 2: You're the one you're getting offended.
[1:16:09] Speaker 1: You but you're crying that you're using words out of context.
[1:16:15] Speaker 1: You don't know what they mean.
[1:16:17] Speaker 4: I'm crying.
[1:16:18] Speaker 2: No, watch you stay on point.
[1:16:19] Speaker 1: What he's literally he's crashing right now, like he's on
[1:16:22] Speaker 1: the edge. He's on the edge of crying right now.
[1:16:24] Speaker 2: Let me let me ask you a question.
[1:16:27] Speaker 15: Emotion damn it, I.
[1:16:31] Speaker 1: Be to be clear, we've still never heard the argument.
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: How any of this has to do with your God
[1:16:36] Speaker 1: being real? Are you ever going to give me the
[1:16:37] Speaker 1: argument on what you quantum move has to do?
[1:16:39] Speaker 2: Are you going to stop interrupting people and listen?
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: I didn't interrupt you. You just don't like question because
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: you're you're so like butt hurt that your argument failed
[1:16:49] Speaker 1: that you want to like reframe the argument.
[1:16:53] Speaker 2: I haven't finished it.
[1:16:54] Speaker 1: So you can start with what this has to do
[1:16:56] Speaker 1: with your God being real?
[1:16:59] Speaker 2: Do you believe consciousness is an emergent property.
[1:17:02] Speaker 1: Or crazy fucking phivid consciousness?
[1:17:07] Speaker 2: Well, because what if they contain What if? What if
[1:17:10] Speaker 2: the singularity contained consciousness?
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: Yeah? And what if green smelled like April? What a
[1:17:16] Speaker 1: dumb question? We're talking about God right now?
[1:17:19] Speaker 2: You are genuinely not as smart as you think you are.
[1:17:21] Speaker 2: You just smile and try to make fun of people,
[1:17:23] Speaker 2: like I can see it in your eyes, making fun
[1:17:25] Speaker 2: of you your eyes, I can see you drinking it
[1:17:29] Speaker 2: like you're in a gate Ry commercial right now?
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: Or do you want to? Do you want to?
[1:17:35] Speaker 4: Well?
[1:17:35] Speaker 1: Like, this guy's nothing but meta, so so he's got
[1:17:39] Speaker 1: no actual argument, He doesn't know what his own words mean.
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: And then he and arguments you are fucking ridiculously dumb.
[1:17:48] Speaker 2: What I'm saying and not what I'm not saying.
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, my embarrassed laugh doesn't make it worse.
[1:17:53] Speaker 2: Why don't you listen for longer than a second?
[1:17:56] Speaker 1: You are like, stop? Why don't you just stop talking meta?
[1:18:00] Speaker 2: Don't you stop trying to steamroll conversations and have a
[1:18:02] Speaker 2: real one.
[1:18:03] Speaker 1: I am having a real conversation with it. With an infant.
[1:18:05] Speaker 2: You do with your girlfriend too, you try to Is
[1:18:10] Speaker 2: she stupid too?
[1:18:12] Speaker 1: Not as dumb as you? Because I don't have a girlfriend.
[1:18:15] Speaker 1: Your intelligence is not existent like my girlfriend?
[1:18:17] Speaker 2: And is that why you're so angry right now? Because
[1:18:20] Speaker 2: you don't have noted?
[1:18:22] Speaker 1: This guy crying so hard?
[1:18:25] Speaker 2: I'm laughing at you.
[1:18:31] Speaker 1: Imagine your argument failing so bad that you have to
[1:18:33] Speaker 1: switch to this kind of meta. What a fire?
[1:18:36] Speaker 2: You just can imagine being on.
[1:18:38] Speaker 1: Stage with with two and a half thousand people and
[1:18:41] Speaker 1: switching to this kind of meta when your conversation actually fails.
[1:18:45] Speaker 1: All I asked you was to demonstrate what your argument
[1:18:47] Speaker 1: has to do with God, and you've been crashing out.
[1:18:50] Speaker 2: You just haven't been listening.
[1:18:52] Speaker 1: I've been listening. I'm waiting for it.
[1:18:54] Speaker 2: Okay, give me like, how about three sentences and I'll
[1:18:57] Speaker 2: stop talking.
[1:18:59] Speaker 1: Is it going to do with your guy?
[1:19:01] Speaker 2: Yes, go for it. If the universe was a singularity
[1:19:07] Speaker 2: at one point and all things were contained in that singularity,
[1:19:14] Speaker 2: then it's possible that consciousness was also in that singularity,
[1:19:16] Speaker 2: and that the singularity was conscious of itself. And actually,
[1:19:19] Speaker 2: I'm done. It is possible. I'm not saying it's proof
[1:19:21] Speaker 2: it's possible.
[1:19:23] Speaker 1: Oh that fucking crazy. Okay, So again, you haven't demonstrated
[1:19:28] Speaker 1: that there was a singularity. Second, what does consciousness? How
[1:19:32] Speaker 1: does the singularity become conscious?
[1:19:35] Speaker 2: It would either be emergent or it's infinitely regressive. Oh, buzzwords?
[1:19:40] Speaker 2: Is the universe?
[1:19:41] Speaker 1: Is the universe still conscious?
[1:19:44] Speaker 4: Yes?
[1:19:46] Speaker 1: So the universe is still conscious?
[1:19:48] Speaker 10: Right now?
[1:19:49] Speaker 1: Do you know what thoughts? Do you know what it's
[1:19:50] Speaker 1: thinking about?
[1:19:54] Speaker 2: It's thinking? This guy with the white teeth can't stop
[1:19:57] Speaker 2: smiling when he's proven that he's not as smart as
[1:19:59] Speaker 2: he things.
[1:20:00] Speaker 1: Yes, I do actually brush my teeth so when I'm
[1:20:03] Speaker 1: like dog walking assholes like you online, people can can
[1:20:06] Speaker 1: check my teeth makes don't have anything stuck in it
[1:20:07] Speaker 1: between them.
[1:20:09] Speaker 4: That's good.
[1:20:09] Speaker 2: I mean, I'm glad you're taking care of your teeth. Man.
[1:20:12] Speaker 1: Fucking all right, Well, listen, you're a loser and my
[1:20:15] Speaker 1: audience didn't come for this level of fifth grade argument,
[1:20:19] Speaker 1: So you're done. Okay, don't come back.
[1:20:23] Speaker 3: That was embarrassing. Justin What kind of drink is a
[1:20:26] Speaker 3: monot What kind of drink is a monotonic?
[1:20:29] Speaker 4: You know what?
[1:20:30] Speaker 1: That's when you just have tonic water and you don't
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: have any alcohol.
[1:20:34] Speaker 9: Also, Okay, hold on it.
[1:20:36] Speaker 8: You make his little icon disappear and get smaller. So
[1:20:41] Speaker 8: what now when when you kicked him he got smaller.
[1:20:46] Speaker 1: I can explain that when when we when you get
[1:20:48] Speaker 1: back to your PC, I can show you how that
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: how that works. Okay, that's uh, that's that's not as
[1:20:54] Speaker 1: much a feature that I designed as much as just
[1:20:57] Speaker 1: kind of a result of how my system works. But
[1:20:59] Speaker 1: it'll do the same thing in your system. It is
[1:21:01] Speaker 1: kind of a dope send off, to be honest, really is. Yeah,
[1:21:05] Speaker 1: let me grab a couple of super chats. We'll get
[1:21:07] Speaker 1: our next guest in here. Jesus tt Oh you changed
[1:21:11] Speaker 1: his name Jesus titty f in Christ. Every live you
[1:21:19] Speaker 1: ever think you were a genius because you came up
[1:21:21] Speaker 1: with the greatest screen name in history, But then after
[1:21:24] Speaker 1: the seventh or eighth person doesn't get it, you realize no,
[1:21:27] Speaker 1: actually I'm an idiot, so I changed it. Listen, I'm
[1:21:31] Speaker 1: sure it made sense to you. But the problem with
[1:21:35] Speaker 1: jokes is that they only work on people who know
[1:21:37] Speaker 1: the joke, You know what I mean, just one of
[1:21:40] Speaker 1: those dipster. Thank you for all the face paint on TikTok.
[1:21:46] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, Dipster and no Code. Thank you
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: for the twenty hours superchat. My friend, he says, Oh,
[1:21:51] Speaker 1: my god, shrine for Doug rock Hardford. I guess it's
[1:21:54] Speaker 1: going on, friends, I'm building the shrine for Doug. It's great.
[1:21:57] Speaker 1: I even already bought an insight and spurner with like
[1:22:01] Speaker 1: the Catholic of frankinsense and myr incense, like that they
[1:22:04] Speaker 1: have in the Catholic Mass. Like we're really, we're gonna,
[1:22:07] Speaker 1: We're gonna get it going. Friends and Piranha, thank you
[1:22:10] Speaker 1: so much for the ten dollar super chest, says my
[1:22:12] Speaker 1: Tarantula's heard what you said last time. They're spreading the
[1:22:15] Speaker 1: word across the world wide Web. Your local spiders will know.
[1:22:19] Speaker 1: You'd better share the three D Altar files so others
[1:22:23] Speaker 1: can worship properly. I will, friends, I will share all
[1:22:26] Speaker 1: the files with you for your own three D printing.
[1:22:29] Speaker 1: And I think I think soon Crystal is going to
[1:22:36] Speaker 1: be doing some three D printing for the Cult of Doug.
[1:22:40] Speaker 1: But we have to do some things we have to
[1:22:42] Speaker 1: do first. Carlos, thank you so much for the ten
[1:22:45] Speaker 1: Deconstruction Zone gifted memberships. That's a huge w My friend
[1:22:49] Speaker 1: it's ten more people with membership and cheat sheet access
[1:22:53] Speaker 1: and no co again with another twenty hour supertest. Says,
[1:22:55] Speaker 1: oh my god, telling him that he doesn't know what
[1:22:57] Speaker 1: it means and you can't even pronounce it lmao. Unfortunately,
[1:23:02] Speaker 1: you're not impressing anybody with your ignorance. It's crazy to
[1:23:05] Speaker 1: me that you would come into a live stream, use
[1:23:08] Speaker 1: a big word that, and then when the other person
[1:23:11] Speaker 1: doesn't know it, you have to get called out for
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: not knowing it yourself. What a what a crazy time
[1:23:17] Speaker 1: to be alive. Flip Philip, Philip, thank you for the
[1:23:21] Speaker 1: ten dollar superchest says, I'd be productive if you guys
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: firstly engaged. Oh it, it would be it'd be productive
[1:23:29] Speaker 1: if you guys firstly engaged in hypothetic. In the hypothetical
[1:23:34] Speaker 1: that the singularity is true, well, we have no reason
[1:23:37] Speaker 1: to believe it is. He couldn't support it. Describe how
[1:23:40] Speaker 1: causality happens in space time. There is no before the
[1:23:43] Speaker 1: Big Bang. If it is a singularity, I I mean,
[1:23:47] Speaker 1: I don't there's one hundred different descriptions of what a
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: singularity is, but I agree. If the singularity entails it
[1:23:52] Speaker 1: there's no space time, then Yeah, there's no such thing
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: as before. Carlos, thank you so much for the twenty
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: two hundred X. I'll get a gin atonic with a
[1:24:04] Speaker 1: mono atomic composite. I could be wrong, but I don't
[1:24:10] Speaker 1: think that would qualify as monoatomic. I did look it
[1:24:12] Speaker 1: up and my understanding, and Blitz can correct me if
[1:24:15] Speaker 1: I'm wrong. Monoatomic is something that's made of only one
[1:24:18] Speaker 1: type of atom.
[1:24:21] Speaker 8: Yeah, that's pretty straightforward. Mono meaning one atom meaning atom.
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: That's what I thought like some of it said some
[1:24:27] Speaker 1: of the noble gases qualify as monoatomic.
[1:24:30] Speaker 8: Yeah, definitely.
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: Mandy, thank you so much for the twenty dollars supertest
[1:24:34] Speaker 1: says I'm sure you heard this before, but only way
[1:24:37] Speaker 1: Jesus saves if he shops at ninety nine cent stores. Also,
[1:24:41] Speaker 1: when it comes to slavery, religions and gods are the
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: biggest enslavement to logic and reason. Couldn't agree more. And
[1:24:49] Speaker 1: I have not heard that joke before. I can't believe
[1:24:52] Speaker 1: that I've never heard that, But you're one hundred percent correct.
[1:24:55] Speaker 1: Jesus couldn't save because dal Archie wasn't here yet and
[1:24:58] Speaker 1: Minards wasn't around it either. How are you going to
[1:25:00] Speaker 1: save big money at minards without minards? G L thank
[1:25:03] Speaker 1: you so much for the twenty dollars. Super Chest says,
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: any thoughts on the White House directive that connects anti
[1:25:07] Speaker 1: Christianity to domestic terrorism and instructing agencies to investigate and
[1:25:11] Speaker 1: prevent it, does it concern.
[1:25:13] Speaker 2: You at all?
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: Considering your work a little bit? My understanding, Like if
[1:25:18] Speaker 1: I had to guess, I would say most of these
[1:25:20] Speaker 1: agencies doing this, I don't know. I don't know where
[1:25:23] Speaker 1: they would start. How do you how do you police it?
[1:25:26] Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? You're gonna go to someone's channel,
[1:25:28] Speaker 1: You're gonna give charges to them, and then you're gonna
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: end up in court. It'll get thrown out of court.
[1:25:35] Speaker 1: They might, you know, want to challenge it and go
[1:25:38] Speaker 1: to a higher court to get thrown out there, Like
[1:25:41] Speaker 1: I don't know what they expect to happen, Like you
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: can't throw people in prison for having opinions about God
[1:25:46] Speaker 1: not existing. Brianna, thank you for this mony to super
[1:25:49] Speaker 1: Chest says, I was indoctrinated into the cult of Christianity
[1:25:52] Speaker 1: and only recently fully let go of the idea of God.
[1:25:55] Speaker 1: Your videos have been incredibly cathartic in my mental recovery process.
[1:25:59] Speaker 1: Thank you and shout out to Blitz in the his ey,
[1:26:02] Speaker 1: big shout out to Blitz. Thank you so much, Brion,
[1:26:05] Speaker 1: I appreciate the general super chat and big w for
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: getting yourself out of the calt And with that, let
[1:26:13] Speaker 1: me grab our next guest, which looks like hyperiod quite
[1:26:23] Speaker 1: a name.
[1:26:25] Speaker 3: The Titan.
[1:26:27] Speaker 1: How you doing, Hyperion?
[1:26:31] Speaker 4: Hi?
[1:26:32] Speaker 2: Can you hear me?
[1:26:35] Speaker 9: Can you hear me?
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: I can hear you now?
[1:26:37] Speaker 4: How you doing.
[1:26:39] Speaker 9: All good? How are you guys doing good?
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: Thank you for asking, Hyperion? Are you at least eighteen?
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: And do you believe in God?
[1:26:47] Speaker 4: Hey?
[1:26:48] Speaker 9: I'm well of ver eighteen and I am a Christian?
[1:26:52] Speaker 1: Okay? And what would be the most compelling evidence or
[1:26:55] Speaker 1: argument for the Christian God being real?
[1:26:59] Speaker 9: He would say the assertion in Genesis one of the
[1:27:06] Speaker 9: creation of the universe in the image of human beings
[1:27:10] Speaker 9: and our ability to understand what is happening in the
[1:27:15] Speaker 9: universe to ray detail fundamental level.
[1:27:20] Speaker 1: What huh, I don't see what us being intelligent has
[1:27:24] Speaker 1: to do with the Bible being true?
[1:27:27] Speaker 9: Well, the Bible made like a Bible makes loads of
[1:27:31] Speaker 9: claim most of them spurious.
[1:27:34] Speaker 4: And.
[1:27:36] Speaker 9: A lot of them kind of locked down to their
[1:27:39] Speaker 9: specific period. But if you're going to boil down the
[1:27:42] Speaker 9: entire Old Testament into one kind of core concept, I
[1:27:47] Speaker 9: would submit that concept is that the universe is intelligible
[1:27:51] Speaker 9: to human intellect. What would you say, I would say,
[1:27:55] Speaker 9: that's not in the Old Testament.
[1:27:58] Speaker 3: Also, I don't think you can, like say, down the
[1:28:00] Speaker 3: Old Testament of one single sentence, no matter how hard.
[1:28:04] Speaker 9: You were, if you were to, if you were to distill, No.
[1:28:09] Speaker 1: It completely contradicts what the Old Testament says. The Hebrew Bible,
[1:28:12] Speaker 1: like the Book of Job, God sits job down for
[1:28:15] Speaker 1: like four or five chapters, explaining, you can't question me
[1:28:19] Speaker 1: because you don't know how the universe works. Were you
[1:28:22] Speaker 1: there when I laid its foundations? So on and so forth,
[1:28:25] Speaker 1: And even Proverbs chapter thirty, the proverb of aguar egwars like,
[1:28:31] Speaker 1: I don't have intelligence. I can't tell you what's in
[1:28:33] Speaker 1: the heavens. I don't have wisdom of the angels. So
[1:28:36] Speaker 1: like I mean, the Bible over and over again tells
[1:28:38] Speaker 1: you that as a human being, you can't understand the
[1:28:42] Speaker 1: intricate workings of the universe. That's what God does.
[1:28:48] Speaker 9: But okay, but it does kind of try and make
[1:28:50] Speaker 9: a point that we were made in God's image.
[1:28:53] Speaker 3: So in Genesis that just means we look like you
[1:28:57] Speaker 3: have nothing more.
[1:29:00] Speaker 9: Do you think it's just purely physical?
[1:29:04] Speaker 3: Yes, the ancients. If you would have asked the ancient
[1:29:07] Speaker 3: wise what Yahweh looked like, they would have told you
[1:29:09] Speaker 3: we had two arms, two legs, and a head and
[1:29:11] Speaker 3: a penis.
[1:29:14] Speaker 9: They would have said, he looked like that guy over there.
[1:29:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, we have the same thing in Genesis five when
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: Adam has children, because when Adam had lived one hundred
[1:29:26] Speaker 1: and thirty years, he became the father of a son,
[1:29:28] Speaker 1: and in his likeness according to his image, the exact
[1:29:32] Speaker 1: same Hebrew phrase used of Yahweh when he creates human beings.
[1:29:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, the word salem just refers to what something looks like,
[1:29:48] Speaker 3: nothing more.
[1:29:51] Speaker 9: Okay, so you're telling me it's like a purely physical description.
[1:29:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, God is described he's got a nose, he's got hands,
[1:30:06] Speaker 1: he's got arms, he's got feet, white hair, Yep, his
[1:30:14] Speaker 1: nose gets when he's when he's smells stuff.
[1:30:20] Speaker 9: Some of that heritage comes from l in the cana
[1:30:23] Speaker 9: Night tradition especially.
[1:30:26] Speaker 5: I.
[1:30:28] Speaker 1: Don't disagree. Yeah, the Canaanite tradition had a very corporeal
[1:30:33] Speaker 1: idea of the deities. In fact, uh, somebody wrote a
[1:30:37] Speaker 1: whole PhD. Dissertation on this and then turned it into
[1:30:39] Speaker 1: a book. Her name is Esther Hamory. She wrote a
[1:30:41] Speaker 1: book called When Gods Were Men and it details how
[1:30:45] Speaker 1: in the in the ancient religions the gods were more
[1:30:48] Speaker 1: like Superman than they were these immaterial entities.
[1:30:53] Speaker 3: Don't forget doctor doctor Stafford Capulu's book God in Anatomy.
[1:30:58] Speaker 3: Whole book dedication is just talking about God body parts
[1:31:01] Speaker 3: a whole three check.
[1:31:02] Speaker 9: One, wonderful, vers like bread, it a few times very
[1:31:07] Speaker 9: It's a great book.
[1:31:14] Speaker 1: And if you believe that Jesus is God, then you
[1:31:16] Speaker 1: believe God has a body anyways.
[1:31:19] Speaker 7: Why because Jesus had a body, okay, but.
[1:31:29] Speaker 1: Nothing incompatible about God having a body.
[1:31:34] Speaker 3: It wasn't until Christians started to make God a bit
[1:31:36] Speaker 3: more abstract and make him incorporeal that the idea that
[1:31:40] Speaker 3: God that man was making God's image took on new meaning.
[1:31:44] Speaker 3: But until that point it had nothing more to mean
[1:31:46] Speaker 3: than just that humans were made to look like yeahweh
[1:31:49] Speaker 3: and the other gods.
[1:31:53] Speaker 9: When when do you think that process began?
[1:31:57] Speaker 3: After the biblical periods of time. Around the second to
[1:32:00] Speaker 3: third century CE is when you start getting all these
[1:32:02] Speaker 3: philosophical innovations to Christian theology.
[1:32:08] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[1:32:10] Speaker 9: Oh, you think that deuteronomistic historian was sent from that evolution.
[1:32:19] Speaker 1: I don't think so, But I think the work of
[1:32:21] Speaker 1: the Deuteronomists came prior to the Greco Roman period. I
[1:32:26] Speaker 1: think he finished his work, most likely just at the
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: end of the Babylonian exile.
[1:32:32] Speaker 9: And what do you mean when I finished his work?
[1:32:34] Speaker 9: Like what layers do you think that he put on
[1:32:37] Speaker 9: the dtr H tradition?
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: Typically he gets accredited with Deuteronomy, and then he usually
[1:32:44] Speaker 1: gets credited with Joshua, and then he also gets credited
[1:32:49] Speaker 1: sometimes with the Book of Kings. I personally think Kings
[1:32:53] Speaker 1: is older than the Deuteronomist. I think if the Deuteronomist
[1:32:58] Speaker 1: was involved in Kings, I think he just was there
[1:33:00] Speaker 1: to edit a much older historical text.
[1:33:03] Speaker 9: Do you think the prophetic tradition of Elijah predated Elijah?
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: So the problem with Elijah is we don't we don't
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: really have evidence that this was a real person. So, like,
[1:33:16] Speaker 1: I don't know if the tradition Elijah predated them.
[1:33:20] Speaker 9: That to be to be sure, well about Elisha, there.
[1:33:23] Speaker 1: Probably were profits in Israel that we're doing what those
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: guys were doing. But when I read the story of Elijah,
[1:33:31] Speaker 1: it reads like mythology. I'm not inclined to believe that
[1:33:34] Speaker 1: a real Elijah existed that did the same things that
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: the biblical Elijah did.
[1:33:41] Speaker 9: But doesn't the Elisha to give you a more like
[1:33:46] Speaker 9: a fundamentalist point of view of the Elijah and there
[1:33:50] Speaker 9: or do you think Elisha and Elijah was disconnected?
[1:33:55] Speaker 1: I mean, personally, I think I think there was one
[1:33:58] Speaker 1: individual and depending on which community you were a part of,
[1:34:02] Speaker 1: you pronounced his name Elijah or you pronounced it Elijah Elisha.
[1:34:07] Speaker 1: And we see this all the time in the Old Testament,
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: where we have what probably was one story, but it
[1:34:12] Speaker 1: was held by multiple people groups and they changed enough
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: details in the stories, like the names and other things
[1:34:19] Speaker 1: that they just got remembered as different stories as different people. Personally,
[1:34:24] Speaker 1: I think there is only one person. I think there
[1:34:27] Speaker 1: was Elijah and Elishah.
[1:34:30] Speaker 9: But do you think the Elijah traditions were based on
[1:34:34] Speaker 9: the Elijah narratives because Elijah appears more kind of like folkloric. Ye,
[1:34:44] Speaker 9: it's focals like the Deuternistic history and kind of maybe
[1:34:51] Speaker 9: came in and took some of the Elijhah narratives and said,
[1:34:55] Speaker 9: you know what, that makes a great deal of sense
[1:34:57] Speaker 9: when I'm trying to narrate the fall of the Northern Kingdom.
[1:35:01] Speaker 3: It seems to me that Elijah slash Elisha are just
[1:35:05] Speaker 3: like archetypal figures, like they're meant to represent the idea
[1:35:09] Speaker 3: of being a prophet.
[1:35:11] Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, but appears to be.
[1:35:18] Speaker 1: But I listen, this is an extremely interesting conversation for me.
[1:35:23] Speaker 1: But nobody in my audiences for this. So I don't
[1:35:26] Speaker 1: want to go on this rabbit trail and board the
[1:35:28] Speaker 1: entire audience as much as like I would enjoy it.
[1:35:31] Speaker 1: No one's here for documentary hypothesis.
[1:35:35] Speaker 9: Elaisha Elijah kind of like? Okay, so can I annoy Blitz?
[1:35:40] Speaker 4: No.
[1:35:41] Speaker 1: So what we're looking for right now is an argument
[1:35:44] Speaker 1: or piece of evidence that would lead to God being real.
[1:35:48] Speaker 9: Okay, So I would say the unreasonable and effectiveness of mathematics,
[1:35:54] Speaker 9: And as a corollary to that statement, I would invoke
[1:35:59] Speaker 9: ads CFT correspondent.
[1:36:02] Speaker 8: You did ask if you could annoy me, and he
[1:36:04] Speaker 8: said no, And I.
[1:36:06] Speaker 9: Did annoy you, But he didn't realize I was going
[1:36:09] Speaker 9: to annoy you, but I did.
[1:36:13] Speaker 1: So you believe numbers are real.
[1:36:17] Speaker 9: I believe that mathematical abstractions actually dictate our reality.
[1:36:24] Speaker 1: Abstractions come from minds.
[1:36:29] Speaker 9: Abstractions are discovered by minds. There's no evidence to say
[1:36:33] Speaker 9: that they are actually contingent On those.
[1:36:37] Speaker 1: Lines, abstractions.
[1:36:40] Speaker 3: Can I put in an ad?
[1:36:45] Speaker 9: I would say abstractions are discovered by minds.
[1:36:49] Speaker 4: No.
[1:36:50] Speaker 1: So for example, if if I said I believe in
[1:36:56] Speaker 1: this concept of justice, justice is a concept. It's an
[1:36:59] Speaker 1: abstraction and it's an idea that my brain is creating.
[1:37:02] Speaker 1: But there's no just like I can't go and put
[1:37:04] Speaker 1: justice into a jar, as Dalton would say, it's just
[1:37:08] Speaker 1: an abstract concept like numbers are are the same. Why
[1:37:11] Speaker 1: would I believe in that numbers are anything but an
[1:37:13] Speaker 1: abstract concept?
[1:37:16] Speaker 9: Because they can lead you to novel conclusions. So what
[1:37:22] Speaker 9: do you mean so so we can.
[1:37:26] Speaker 5: Do?
[1:37:26] Speaker 9: You challenge the assumptions and then you find something that
[1:37:30] Speaker 9: you won't expect.
[1:37:33] Speaker 1: I said, So what I've word that math can lead
[1:37:36] Speaker 1: you to correct conclusions, just like using the laws of
[1:37:39] Speaker 1: logic can lead you to correct conclusions. But I have
[1:37:42] Speaker 1: no reason to believe that either one of them, like
[1:37:45] Speaker 1: have ontology, they don't actually exist.
[1:37:50] Speaker 9: Okay, So I would say, if you would take Euclid's
[1:37:54] Speaker 9: idems or no parallel lines meeting, okay, sounds very reasonable.
[1:38:04] Speaker 9: It is reasonable? Is it reasonable? Well it's not. But
[1:38:09] Speaker 9: you can imagine a geometry where those lines do meet,
[1:38:14] Speaker 9: and you can infer a different kind of mathematical construction.
[1:38:20] Speaker 9: I would challenge the point of view that mathematics is
[1:38:24] Speaker 9: always derived from observation, because we can make leaps of
[1:38:31] Speaker 9: faith if you wanted to find it. We can, like
[1:38:35] Speaker 9: you know, be a little bit crazy and create abstractions
[1:38:41] Speaker 9: which are extremely valuable in terms of our of the universe.
[1:38:46] Speaker 1: So what what's that to do with numbers being real?
[1:38:53] Speaker 9: It demonstrates the numbers being real is a kind of
[1:38:58] Speaker 9: a relevant question.
[1:39:00] Speaker 1: The relationship not irrelevant. That's literally the question I'm asking is, like,
[1:39:06] Speaker 1: you believe numbers are real. I'm trying to find a
[1:39:09] Speaker 1: reason why I would believe numbers are real as far
[1:39:11] Speaker 1: as I can tell numbers, Okay, concept the same way,
[1:39:16] Speaker 1: just just the concept hyperiod.
[1:39:18] Speaker 9: I don't know, just what numbers do you think?
[1:39:20] Speaker 12: Like?
[1:39:21] Speaker 1: Why do you think talking over me as I'm responding
[1:39:23] Speaker 1: to you. Is the right move.
[1:39:25] Speaker 9: Because I'm asking you a question.
[1:39:28] Speaker 1: Well, you shouldn't be doing it while I'm responding to
[1:39:30] Speaker 1: your first question, or responding to the thing that you
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: just said. I haven't talked over you. Did you hear
[1:39:39] Speaker 1: what I said?
[1:39:40] Speaker 4: Yes?
[1:39:41] Speaker 1: What I say?
[1:39:47] Speaker 9: Why am I talking over you prior to that? No?
[1:39:53] Speaker 9: I didn't hear that. Okay.
[1:39:56] Speaker 1: So I want to know why numbers exist, but you
[1:40:01] Speaker 1: don't believe the idea of justice exists. Justice is not
[1:40:06] Speaker 1: something that has ontology. It's just an abstract concept from
[1:40:09] Speaker 1: the brain. It's something we invented with our brain. Why
[1:40:12] Speaker 1: does one have ontology not the other?
[1:40:16] Speaker 9: Because I don't think numbers exist. I don't think numbers
[1:40:20] Speaker 9: aren't necessary for the structure our universe. Blitz would appreciate this.
[1:40:28] Speaker 9: If you take a n dimensional Euclearian manifold and you
[1:40:35] Speaker 9: look at the differmorpheisms of the number of structures that
[1:40:39] Speaker 9: you can create differentiation upon them one, two, and three,
[1:40:46] Speaker 9: you get one, four, you get uncountably many, if six,
[1:40:50] Speaker 9: seven you get one again. So I would posit and
[1:40:54] Speaker 9: push back and say that it seems to be a
[1:40:57] Speaker 9: preferred notion. The complexity in four dimensional lourency and mechanics.
[1:41:07] Speaker 9: It's quite a good way of putting, and I apologize, bliss,
[1:41:10] Speaker 9: it's not quite not quite right. I'm asking you to
[1:41:14] Speaker 9: legislate on many diffeomorphic structures you have on our one,
[1:41:21] Speaker 9: R two, R three or four.
[1:41:24] Speaker 1: That none of the answers the question. HYPERI all you say,
[1:41:32] Speaker 1: would you be?
[1:41:32] Speaker 2: So?
[1:41:33] Speaker 9: Would you be math?
[1:41:35] Speaker 1: That explains an actual thing in the universe? But I agree, math,
[1:41:41] Speaker 1: do you be so kind to? Hyperion? Math is designed
[1:41:45] Speaker 1: to explain things. We we agree on that, just like
[1:41:51] Speaker 1: why are you talking about do I have to meet you?
[1:41:54] Speaker 9: Because I'm asking would you be so kind to?
[1:41:57] Speaker 1: So the answer is yes, I have to meet you? Okay,
[1:41:59] Speaker 1: So I agree. We can invent words and ideas to
[1:42:03] Speaker 1: explain the world around us. This is something we have
[1:42:06] Speaker 1: the ability to do. Like we invented the word blue
[1:42:08] Speaker 1: to refer to a particular wavelength. Now blue is like
[1:42:15] Speaker 1: the ism of blue, or like the isness of blue
[1:42:18] Speaker 1: doesn't exist. Blue is a description of something in the universe.
[1:42:23] Speaker 1: Right numbers are a description of how the universe behaves.
[1:42:30] Speaker 1: I have no reason to believe.
[1:42:33] Speaker 9: Talking about so I'm talking about relationships.
[1:42:35] Speaker 1: So again, you can wait five seconds to let me
[1:42:39] Speaker 1: finish numbers. I have no reason to believe have actual
[1:42:43] Speaker 1: existence outside of our abstract thinking. And that's the argument
[1:42:47] Speaker 1: you're supposed to be giving right now. You're supposed to
[1:42:49] Speaker 1: be giving the argument for why numbers exist, like with
[1:42:54] Speaker 1: actual ontology, not abstract concepts. Yeah, Jenny, you might be right.
[1:43:02] Speaker 1: He might be drunk.
[1:43:09] Speaker 8: The issue is that even if this argument succeeded, all
[1:43:12] Speaker 8: you've done is argue for mathematical platonism. You haven't actually
[1:43:15] Speaker 8: established that God exists.
[1:43:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know right that that's where he wants you
[1:43:20] Speaker 1: to take the leap. Once you've established platonic forms, then
[1:43:23] Speaker 1: he's just going to say God is the form of forms. Yeah,
[1:43:31] Speaker 1: vince that you might be right. I think this guy's
[1:43:33] Speaker 1: been doing some imbibing hyperion. If you're talking, no one
[1:43:37] Speaker 1: can hear you. I think he fell down and now
[1:43:45] Speaker 1: he can't get up. Someone sound.
[1:43:50] Speaker 9: I would ask you just on pure mathematical purity and
[1:43:55] Speaker 9: the number of differential structures which are available a one dimensional,
[1:44:01] Speaker 9: two dimensional, three dimensional versus four and five over up
[1:44:07] Speaker 9: to differomorphism, and you tell everyone on this live how
[1:44:12] Speaker 9: many differomorphic structures that are on this rization of dimension. However,
[1:44:20] Speaker 9: we want to define it, let's say degree.
[1:44:23] Speaker 1: We want to know what this has to do with
[1:44:25] Speaker 1: God existing.
[1:44:28] Speaker 9: I think Blitz may care about it.
[1:44:31] Speaker 5: I don't.
[1:44:31] Speaker 8: I don't care quite familiar with.
[1:44:35] Speaker 9: Let him tell me that he doesn't care about.
[1:44:37] Speaker 1: Different hyperiod with the fierceness of a thousand sons. I
[1:44:43] Speaker 1: love doctor Blitz, but we're talking about God right now.
[1:44:47] Speaker 1: If you're talking about things that doesn't have anything to
[1:44:49] Speaker 1: do with God, I don't see why you would expect
[1:44:51] Speaker 1: doctor Blitz to be interested. I mean, he probably is
[1:44:53] Speaker 1: interested because he loves physics, but it's off topic.
[1:44:58] Speaker 9: I don't believe it's off topic.
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: All right, doctor Blitz, you want to cook them and
[1:45:03] Speaker 1: then we can get back to the topic.
[1:45:05] Speaker 8: Look, the point is is, yes, yes, there are uncountably
[1:45:08] Speaker 8: many like exotic r force and as far as and
[1:45:12] Speaker 8: all of this lovely stuff. What is Okay, you've got
[1:45:14] Speaker 8: mathematical platonism?
[1:45:15] Speaker 5: Great? Cool?
[1:45:16] Speaker 8: What does that have to What does that have.
[1:45:17] Speaker 4: To do with God?
[1:45:18] Speaker 9: Okay? So how many count how many are there are
[1:45:22] Speaker 9: threes exactly one?
[1:45:25] Speaker 2: Okay?
[1:45:26] Speaker 9: How many are there are falls? Up to infinity?
[1:45:30] Speaker 8: We already I already said.
[1:45:31] Speaker 9: Sorry, sorry, I'll find oh one.
[1:45:34] Speaker 8: Uh look, look you you already got your mathematical platonism.
[1:45:37] Speaker 8: Our for is special?
[1:45:39] Speaker 2: Cool?
[1:45:39] Speaker 4: What now?
[1:45:41] Speaker 9: Okay, so why is our force special?
[1:45:44] Speaker 8: That's a great question.
[1:45:49] Speaker 9: I mean, like I've read your thesis, like there are
[1:45:53] Speaker 9: a degrees of freedom in the hypher plane which allow complexity.
[1:45:58] Speaker 8: You're asking, I mean like there's a proof that shows
[1:46:00] Speaker 8: that our for a special. If if you want to
[1:46:02] Speaker 8: know why are for a special you can go read
[1:46:05] Speaker 8: the proof. If you're asking, why is it four and
[1:46:07] Speaker 8: not five? I mean like this is like a philosophical
[1:46:10] Speaker 8: question at this point. This is just what the mathematical
[1:46:12] Speaker 8: structures do.
[1:46:14] Speaker 9: No, it's mechanical to say why it's not five or
[1:46:17] Speaker 9: four because the degrees of freedom of the hype of length?
[1:46:21] Speaker 9: Yes or no?
[1:46:23] Speaker 8: What does this have to do with the topic.
[1:46:26] Speaker 9: The topic is why are we privileged? Why we privileged
[1:46:31] Speaker 9: in a four dimensional manifold?
[1:46:34] Speaker 8: But that's not the topic. The topic is your God
[1:46:36] Speaker 8: is imaginary? Okay, sorry, I'm getting a little bit.
[1:46:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's okay, my period. It sounds like you don't
[1:46:47] Speaker 1: actually want to talk about the topic, which makes for
[1:46:49] Speaker 1: a very boring conversation right now.
[1:46:51] Speaker 9: No, no, I'll talk.
[1:46:54] Speaker 1: Bliss yeah, right now, I think your sobriety is imaginary,
[1:46:57] Speaker 1: So you need to go sober up and come back
[1:46:59] Speaker 1: when you're ready to engage. Honestly. Okay. He literally got
[1:47:03] Speaker 1: on this live stream to shoot the breeze with Blitch,
[1:47:07] Speaker 1: which I would love to watch that happen on Blitz's
[1:47:11] Speaker 1: Ask a Physicist live stream. Great livestream, by the way,
[1:47:13] Speaker 1: I tune in and ask questions myself, but you're You're
[1:47:17] Speaker 1: in the wrong place for Ask A Physicists. As fun
[1:47:19] Speaker 1: as it is helping meg A deconstruct. Thank you for
[1:47:23] Speaker 1: the five dollar supertest, says praise Doug and Sharon for
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: a beautiful fall cookout. I'm enjoying the disciples of Doug
[1:47:29] Speaker 1: hanging out tonight. Well, hey, thank you so much, and
[1:47:32] Speaker 1: the disciples are all here. We've got at least two
[1:47:34] Speaker 1: of them, Doctor Blitz and Dalton's with us and Steve
[1:47:37] Speaker 1: Harvey Oswald wild name. Thank you for the supertest, says
[1:47:41] Speaker 1: saw your Hot Sauce fundraiser live. I want to call
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: you Frodo because you probably had your ring destroyed. Well,
[1:47:52] Speaker 1: actually I lucked out. I chugged so much hot sauce
[1:47:54] Speaker 1: I ended up throwing it all up. The same night,
[1:47:56] Speaker 1: which means I didn't digest enough of it to destroy
[1:47:58] Speaker 1: my rings, so I still I still has the ring. Also,
[1:48:02] Speaker 1: could I get a copy of your KJV errors doc?
[1:48:05] Speaker 12: Ah?
[1:48:05] Speaker 1: That reminds me Oswald. I was going to add my
[1:48:09] Speaker 1: KJV errors to a tab on the cheat sheet. Somebody
[1:48:13] Speaker 1: messaged me on discord. I will make sure this coming
[1:48:16] Speaker 1: week to add my current list of errors to the
[1:48:21] Speaker 1: deconstruction cheat sheet. I don't know how many I have.
[1:48:25] Speaker 1: I've been kind of been randomly building them as they
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: come up. I haven't dedicated a ton of time to
[1:48:31] Speaker 1: it yet, but I'll put it on the cheat sheet
[1:48:33] Speaker 1: so everybody has access to it for sure. What says
[1:48:39] Speaker 1: a postsematic Aposta, I don't know what that means, but
[1:48:43] Speaker 1: thank you for the superjest, says Do y'all have any
[1:48:45] Speaker 1: favorite fictional media in which characters deconstruct? Mine would be
[1:48:49] Speaker 1: Midnight Mass Show and the Locked Tomb series. Actually, as
[1:48:54] Speaker 1: a book, I don't know if I do. I don't
[1:48:56] Speaker 1: consume a lot of movies or TV shows on I
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: read a lot of books, but I don't read fiction,
[1:49:03] Speaker 1: so like I mean, I do read the Bible that
[1:49:05] Speaker 1: counts as fiction, but like.
[1:49:08] Speaker 3: I mean technically supernatural. At the end of it, they
[1:49:13] Speaker 3: defeat God.
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: Some good Ian ROGI thank you for the Find hour supertest,
[1:49:20] Speaker 1: says the Christian laugh. It gets to me it's some
[1:49:24] Speaker 1: people crying without tears. That's a good way to say it. Yes,
[1:49:28] Speaker 1: the nervous laughter while you're like cooking yourself. It's the
[1:49:33] Speaker 1: same thing as crying without tears. I've never heard that
[1:49:36] Speaker 1: expression before, but I think that's accurate. Actually, the convert deconvert, Oh, covert, Sorry,
[1:49:43] Speaker 1: the covert deconvert. Thank you so much for the super chat,
[1:49:46] Speaker 1: my friend says Reiki. Are you gonna keep interrupting? Have
[1:49:50] Speaker 1: something worth listening to and we won't interrupt?
[1:49:52] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[1:49:52] Speaker 1: I actually agree. Yeah, if you say something nonsensical, off
[1:49:55] Speaker 1: point or meta, I'm gonna interrupt you. If you're giving
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: an actual argument that we asked for or staying on topic,
[1:50:00] Speaker 1: I will not interrupt you. Grace, I wonder if this
[1:50:03] Speaker 1: is related to Huge. Grace says, make sure to get
[1:50:07] Speaker 1: Jesuit wafers for the Doug approved. Actually, that reminds me
[1:50:11] Speaker 1: I've been meaning to order my own Communion wafers. I
[1:50:14] Speaker 1: haven't done it yet, but I'm gonna. I'm gonna make
[1:50:17] Speaker 1: it happen, Ronnie Land says, is the word unicorn in
[1:50:21] Speaker 1: the original Hebrew Bible not really rock hard for Doug.
[1:50:25] Speaker 1: Love the work you do, Okay, So there's a little
[1:50:28] Speaker 1: there's there's a conversation to be had here. So the
[1:50:30] Speaker 1: word unicorn really comes from the Greek scept tuagen, and
[1:50:35] Speaker 1: then from there from the Latin. Latin was a translation
[1:50:38] Speaker 1: of the Greek sept two agent, not of the Hebrew. Now,
[1:50:41] Speaker 1: the reality is the original animal was probably just a
[1:50:43] Speaker 1: one horned rhino, which is why the Latin text refers
[1:50:47] Speaker 1: to it as a unicorn, a single horned animal, and
[1:50:51] Speaker 1: so the reality is most likely that's what referring to.
[1:50:56] Speaker 1: But people didn't know that during the early medieval period.
[1:51:00] Speaker 1: They didn't know what a unicorn was, and they just
[1:51:02] Speaker 1: they let their imagination go wild, dreaming up ideas of
[1:51:05] Speaker 1: what a unicorn could be. You know what I mean.
[1:51:08] Speaker 1: I've got one, two, three, four, I got five more
[1:51:11] Speaker 1: super chats, six more super chats. We'll get our next
[1:51:13] Speaker 1: guests in here. Good question. Thank you for the ten
[1:51:15] Speaker 1: hour supertests. Do you agree that Satan is not one
[1:51:18] Speaker 1: of the fallen angels implied in the Hebrew angelology and
[1:51:21] Speaker 1: that he's unfairly targeted because of Christian ignorance.
[1:51:24] Speaker 12: I do.
[1:51:25] Speaker 1: It's clear that Satan wasn't part of the fallen angels
[1:51:28] Speaker 1: from Genesis chapter six. They're locked up in chains in darkness,
[1:51:32] Speaker 1: awaiting judgment. Satan was a henchman for God. He was
[1:51:35] Speaker 1: the accuser. His job was to do God's dirty work.
[1:51:40] Speaker 3: If I'm want to be really anal about it, No,
[1:51:43] Speaker 3: there are no fallen angels in the Hebrew Bible because
[1:51:46] Speaker 3: Genesis six are not angels.
[1:51:49] Speaker 1: Fair enough, fair enough, Yes, the idea of angels didn't
[1:51:52] Speaker 1: come until the Greek period. That's a good point, Scotti.
[1:51:56] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the ten hour supertests has
[1:51:58] Speaker 1: rock hard for Doug and sh should I pop up
[1:52:01] Speaker 1: to the Vatican this weekend to confirm it's still there
[1:52:04] Speaker 1: and get Doug a nice rosary? Oh, Doug would love it.
[1:52:07] Speaker 1: He'd be fine. Ninety night from Italy. Love justin Dalton,
[1:52:11] Speaker 1: doctor Blitz, catch you all in the end. Well, thank
[1:52:12] Speaker 1: you so much, Scott, you really appreciate that, and big
[1:52:15] Speaker 1: love to you over in your home country of Italy.
[1:52:20] Speaker 1: And the covert Deacon comes back. Thank you so much,
[1:52:22] Speaker 1: my friend, for the Supertest says, Woo woo, arguments for God,
[1:52:25] Speaker 1: summed up, argumentum adrectum. Just pull shit out of your
[1:52:31] Speaker 1: ads and hope the opponent is too confused to refute it.
[1:52:34] Speaker 1: We've heard that a lot throw out enough words that
[1:52:38] Speaker 1: the audience or your interlocler doesn't know, and you think
[1:52:42] Speaker 1: you've won. Where I grew up, we refer to this
[1:52:45] Speaker 1: as baffle them with bullshit. It's different if you actually
[1:52:49] Speaker 1: know the words you're using and you're just being pretentious.
[1:52:51] Speaker 1: But when you don't even know the words, that's called
[1:52:54] Speaker 1: baffling with bullshit. Boom and Boom, good to see you tonight.
[1:52:57] Speaker 1: Thank you for the ten dollar. Supertest says when you yell,
[1:52:59] Speaker 1: you heal something in our little aposte hearts. We've all
[1:53:03] Speaker 1: had people in positions of power, parents, preachers, bosses, mentors,
[1:53:06] Speaker 1: degrade us, gish gallop to weasel out of answering. Honestly, well,
[1:53:10] Speaker 1: thank you, Boom and boom. If there's one thing I
[1:53:13] Speaker 1: will do on this live stream, and this is a
[1:53:15] Speaker 1: promise for my live stream, I will do everything I
[1:53:18] Speaker 1: can to keep the conversation on track, try to avoid pivots.
[1:53:22] Speaker 1: Sometimes they happen, but I always try to bring it back.
[1:53:25] Speaker 1: Noko Apaste, thank you for the supertest says like the
[1:53:27] Speaker 1: late great thinker Christopher Hinchen said, religion was our first
[1:53:32] Speaker 1: and elementary attempt at getting our primitive mind to explain
[1:53:36] Speaker 1: not only the cosmos, but reality as we perceived it.
[1:53:40] Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more. It was a failed attempt at
[1:53:44] Speaker 1: explain explaining the universe. In fact, in the Bible background
[1:53:48] Speaker 1: commentary series from Zondervand, Genesis was done obviously by John Walton,
[1:53:53] Speaker 1: and he says that Genesis functioned as a textbook, as
[1:53:57] Speaker 1: a science textbook for how the world worked for the ancients,
[1:54:00] Speaker 1: because that's what it was. This was their explanation of
[1:54:02] Speaker 1: the universe. It just so happens that they were wrong.
[1:54:05] Speaker 1: And last one from Martin Papa Tera, thank you for
[1:54:09] Speaker 1: the twenty hour super chat. My friend says hyperion must
[1:54:12] Speaker 1: be a disciple of Terrence Howard. I agree. Howard was
[1:54:15] Speaker 1: the math genius who concluded that one at times one
[1:54:18] Speaker 1: equals two. This is how you derive that there are
[1:54:23] Speaker 1: multiple dimensions. Of course, that's where Doug lives in the
[1:54:26] Speaker 1: fifth dimension. I don't know which dimension Doug lives in.
[1:54:31] Speaker 1: I have to assume it's all of the dimensions. But
[1:54:33] Speaker 1: doctor Blitz, didn't you write your PhD dissertation on the
[1:54:37] Speaker 1: fifth dimension?
[1:54:40] Speaker 8: Well, not the fifth dimension, but a fifth dimension. Absolutely
[1:54:43] Speaker 8: I did, and unfortunately Doug cannot be found there.
[1:54:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know anything about those dimensions. All right,
[1:54:53] Speaker 1: let's grab our next in line. I almost read this
[1:54:59] Speaker 1: name as the ball, but it's the bells. We're gonna
[1:55:02] Speaker 1: get the bells in here. How are you doing both?
[1:55:10] Speaker 4: Oh boy, we're here.
[1:55:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're up. Oh okay, I'm a little surprised.
[1:55:16] Speaker 3: So we're coming from it with a non theist perspective?
[1:55:22] Speaker 5: Is that?
[1:55:22] Speaker 4: Okay, I don't know what you mean.
[1:55:25] Speaker 1: You mean, do you believe in God or not?
[1:55:28] Speaker 12: No?
[1:55:29] Speaker 4: No, we don't.
[1:55:30] Speaker 9: But we're atheists either.
[1:55:35] Speaker 1: Well that is, if you don't believe in God, that
[1:55:37] Speaker 1: means you're an atheist. That's what that means.
[1:55:41] Speaker 3: No, it means a non theist means that we don't believe.
[1:55:46] Speaker 3: The concept is relevant.
[1:55:49] Speaker 1: No, do you believe in a God?
[1:55:51] Speaker 12: No?
[1:55:52] Speaker 1: Okay, well you're an atheist. Congratulations, welcome to the party.
[1:55:55] Speaker 1: We got bacon, we got funny hats. Don't worry, we
[1:55:58] Speaker 1: got we got the whole thing going. All right, we'll
[1:56:00] Speaker 1: move on to the next guest Karaoke Night. If you're
[1:56:03] Speaker 1: watching on YouTube, you can join as well. There's a
[1:56:05] Speaker 1: link on the screen and in the description of the
[1:56:07] Speaker 1: video you can request up without having to sign up
[1:56:11] Speaker 1: for anything. It's easy and it usually works as long
[1:56:16] Speaker 1: as your hard work is good. Karaoke welcome in. Are
[1:56:19] Speaker 1: you at least eighteen? And do you believe in God?
[1:56:22] Speaker 4: Hey?
[1:56:23] Speaker 15: De con Yeah, I'm thirty four. I turn thirty five
[1:56:26] Speaker 15: this year, and I do believe in God. I saw
[1:56:29] Speaker 15: your prompt here. God's imaginary proved me wrong, so I
[1:56:31] Speaker 15: was like, why not, you know, let me, you know,
[1:56:34] Speaker 15: make my case here and then the for the for
[1:56:39] Speaker 15: God being non imaginary. But thanks for hosting the debate.
[1:56:43] Speaker 15: And you know, I think I think God exists outside
[1:56:47] Speaker 15: of the imagination, that he exists all around in physical form,
[1:56:53] Speaker 15: not just imaginary. So happy to debate you on this,
[1:56:57] Speaker 15: but could I first ask, you know, I know, doctor
[1:56:58] Speaker 15: Blitz's atheist atheist Bible guy? Are you are you a
[1:57:03] Speaker 15: theist or atheist?
[1:57:05] Speaker 6: I am?
[1:57:05] Speaker 3: I am so atheist.
[1:57:07] Speaker 15: Okay, so yeah, I guess you know I'm out numbered
[1:57:10] Speaker 15: here three atheists against me the one one theist. But
[1:57:13] Speaker 15: you know, I'd say that God certainly has an imaginary component, right,
[1:57:18] Speaker 15: the the personal belief of God. So your God ncon
[1:57:24] Speaker 15: is going to be contained within your imagination. Doctor Blitz's
[1:57:30] Speaker 15: God concept is imaginary to him, and in Bible guys,
[1:57:35] Speaker 15: God is imaginary, certainly, But there is this external a
[1:57:43] Speaker 15: god likeness, you know, whatever that means based on you know,
[1:57:46] Speaker 15: whatever religion you're coming from, that explains it points out
[1:57:50] Speaker 15: the same thing.
[1:57:51] Speaker 4: You know.
[1:57:51] Speaker 15: Some believe it to be elephant God. Right, the Hindus
[1:57:54] Speaker 15: believe in elephant God, some believe in a physical form,
[1:58:01] Speaker 15: some believe in an invisible God. So I think it's
[1:58:03] Speaker 15: beyond just an imagine concept.
[1:58:07] Speaker 3: You were making an argument about something about how good
[1:58:11] Speaker 3: is God? You know those words have no relationship to
[1:58:14] Speaker 3: each other, right.
[1:58:17] Speaker 15: Yeah, it's a it's a theory, you know, it's a
[1:58:19] Speaker 15: theory that you know, there's there's a missing Oh there,
[1:58:22] Speaker 15: you know what else would would God represent?
[1:58:25] Speaker 4: God?
[1:58:26] Speaker 6: God?
[1:58:26] Speaker 3: God comes from pro Germanic word and the word good
[1:58:30] Speaker 3: comes from the pro Germanic word Godas they're not related.
[1:58:34] Speaker 15: They certainly sound similar, don't.
[1:58:36] Speaker 3: They They sound and look similar. But just because two words, yeah,
[1:58:40] Speaker 3: just because two words sound and are spelt very similar.
[1:58:44] Speaker 3: Doesn't mean that there's any etymological connection between.
[1:58:47] Speaker 9: Them, but you know, it's it.
[1:58:50] Speaker 15: They certainly do sound similar, and they're spelled similarly, and
[1:58:53] Speaker 15: also semantically they mean similar things. So you know, you're
[1:58:57] Speaker 15: it's it's open to the same thing.
[1:59:02] Speaker 1: So none of this actually got you any closer to
[1:59:05] Speaker 1: the to the argument, which is an argument for why
[1:59:09] Speaker 1: the God is real.
[1:59:11] Speaker 15: You know, let's let's start there. You know, like if
[1:59:14] Speaker 15: there is a certainly dismissing oh God and good, the
[1:59:18] Speaker 15: original intent of you know, the prophets were to spread good,
[1:59:23] Speaker 15: to speak of good, the goodness of religion and things
[1:59:27] Speaker 15: like that. So no one's denying that. You know, Jesus
[1:59:30] Speaker 15: was a good guy. He preached good things.
[1:59:33] Speaker 3: There is no good God deny that.
[1:59:35] Speaker 6: I deny that it was a thing.
[1:59:39] Speaker 15: Oh yeah, that's it.
[1:59:40] Speaker 1: If you don't want me to be your king, I'll
[1:59:42] Speaker 1: throw you in fire forever.
[1:59:45] Speaker 6: Okay.
[1:59:45] Speaker 15: Yeah, he's he certainly wasn't perfect, because I think he was.
[1:59:49] Speaker 15: You know, no one's perfect. But I think this idea
[1:59:51] Speaker 15: of God is you know.
[1:59:54] Speaker 2: A creator.
[1:59:55] Speaker 1: If you want fire, would I be good?
[1:59:58] Speaker 12: No?
[1:59:59] Speaker 15: Of course not.
[2:00:00] Speaker 1: Okay, So you can't special plead for Jesus.
[2:00:03] Speaker 12: I'm not.
[2:00:03] Speaker 15: I'm not, you know, I I I'm an omnist. I
[2:00:06] Speaker 15: do comparative theological studies, so I've studied a bit of
[2:00:10] Speaker 15: all the religions. So that's the overlap there, you know,
[2:00:13] Speaker 15: the that's the overlap, you know, like where you know
[2:00:19] Speaker 15: what what's the meaning of God we can agree on certainly,
[2:00:23] Speaker 15: you know, like a universal energy source, some kind of
[2:00:25] Speaker 15: higher power. So I see it as a synonym for good.
[2:00:29] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[2:00:31] Speaker 1: God is not a universal energy source. Such ridiculous, and
[2:00:34] Speaker 1: he'd be material and I thought you just said you
[2:00:36] Speaker 1: don't believe in material God.
[2:00:38] Speaker 15: Yeah, I mean the reason I.
[2:00:42] Speaker 1: Is godview?
[2:00:47] Speaker 15: For me, I like to think, you know, there's an
[2:00:48] Speaker 15: essence of God and all things. He kind of created
[2:00:51] Speaker 15: the mountains and the water and the universe and things
[2:00:54] Speaker 15: like that.
[2:00:55] Speaker 1: So God is everything.
[2:00:57] Speaker 15: Yeah, I know it's a bit woo wo, but you
[2:00:58] Speaker 15: know that's the point of religion. It to super woo
[2:01:01] Speaker 15: woo to make us, you know, give us some hope
[2:01:03] Speaker 15: at the end of the day, like you know, answers
[2:01:05] Speaker 15: to our creation questions.
[2:01:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, do you study astrology?
[2:01:13] Speaker 5: I don't.
[2:01:13] Speaker 15: I think astrology is like a pseudoscience.
[2:01:15] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[2:01:16] Speaker 15: If there's meaning in the stars.
[2:01:17] Speaker 1: But so you think astrology is pseudo science. But you
[2:01:20] Speaker 1: think this woo woo, isn't.
[2:01:23] Speaker 15: I think I think theists have a better claim than
[2:01:27] Speaker 15: atheists about does goodness exist?
[2:01:30] Speaker 3: Well, I didn't ask my questions.
[2:01:32] Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure right now you're at a moon level
[2:01:36] Speaker 1: of transcendent energy vibes, which puts you in the Quantum
[2:01:40] Speaker 1: Solar Resident index at ninety one. Proved me wrong.
[2:01:44] Speaker 15: Interesting, So so could you set your sources here? Dcon
[2:01:50] Speaker 15: Where'd you get these statistics?
[2:01:52] Speaker 1: This is the quantum Loo spreadsheet put together by a
[2:01:54] Speaker 1: true professional, all.
[2:01:57] Speaker 15: Right, So you know as evident in the charts.
[2:01:59] Speaker 5: You know, like.
[2:02:01] Speaker 15: Your claim is that I'm in the in the blue regions.
[2:02:03] Speaker 4: But you know, like.
[2:02:05] Speaker 15: Maybe there's some truth to it. Who knows?
[2:02:09] Speaker 1: Is margin retrograde?
[2:02:13] Speaker 15: I'm not sure, man, I'm not an astrologist. I'm a
[2:02:15] Speaker 15: I'm a the illusion I just check it.
[2:02:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, that certainly could affect your transcendent vibe level.
[2:02:25] Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm gonna stick to what I believe. I think
[2:02:28] Speaker 15: somewhere the word for good and and God got lost
[2:02:32] Speaker 15: in translation. But God is good.
[2:02:36] Speaker 3: They both come from two completely different proto Germanic words
[2:02:41] Speaker 3: related to each other. That's a fact.
[2:02:43] Speaker 15: That's sound the same, They mean the same.
[2:02:44] Speaker 3: Man, there's okay, s O N and s u n
[2:02:49] Speaker 3: sound the same? Is my child like warming the planet
[2:02:53] Speaker 3: right now?
[2:02:54] Speaker 5: No?
[2:02:55] Speaker 15: But they certainly sound the same, look the same, They
[2:02:59] Speaker 15: are the same. What like a homonym?
[2:03:04] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[2:03:05] Speaker 15: Or heteronym?
[2:03:05] Speaker 3: No?
[2:03:06] Speaker 1: No, no, no, a heteronym?
[2:03:07] Speaker 7: Do you know what heteronym is?
[2:03:08] Speaker 3: Like?
[2:03:09] Speaker 12: Uh?
[2:03:09] Speaker 6: No, I don't.
[2:03:11] Speaker 1: There are words that that are spelled exactly the same
[2:03:14] Speaker 1: but pronounced differently and have different meanings.
[2:03:19] Speaker 15: Mm hmm.
[2:03:20] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[2:03:20] Speaker 1: So regardless, wouldn't all those words just be the same then?
[2:03:25] Speaker 15: Yeah, regardless of you know which branch of the etymological
[2:03:28] Speaker 15: tree you're looking at the Bible guy in in the
[2:03:32] Speaker 15: Indo European, in the in the Indo European language family.
[2:03:36] Speaker 15: If you if you go back up to airmake and
[2:03:39] Speaker 15: and work your way down, you'll understand what I'm talking about.
[2:03:41] Speaker 3: Ara Maic is not the root for Proto Germanic.
[2:03:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not going to help you at all. Air
[2:03:45] Speaker 1: Make had nothing to do with Germanic languages. Yeah, you
[2:03:49] Speaker 1: got to look a few levels up Germanic Indo European languages, isn't.
[2:03:53] Speaker 3: It yeah, pro Indo European.
[2:03:57] Speaker 15: Yeah, So somewhere, you know, somewhere along.
[2:04:00] Speaker 3: The way, I think I think you have a false
[2:04:05] Speaker 3: idea of like what's called diffusion, this idea that all
[2:04:08] Speaker 3: cultures and languages ultimately go back to a single source.
[2:04:11] Speaker 3: But there's no evidence of that.
[2:04:14] Speaker 15: So you know, I'm not trying to debate semantics here
[2:04:19] Speaker 15: or you know, imology debating semantics. Yeah, for the for
[2:04:23] Speaker 15: the sake of for the sake of reach to the.
[2:04:27] Speaker 1: Argument so far is premise number one is God sounds.
[2:04:34] Speaker 10: Like good?
[2:04:35] Speaker 1: Almost number two is uh, good sounds like God. Conclusion,
[2:04:46] Speaker 1: God is good?
[2:04:48] Speaker 5: Did I did? I?
[2:04:49] Speaker 1: Did I get it right?
[2:04:51] Speaker 3: Absolutely?
[2:04:51] Speaker 15: For the sake of you know, defining what we're we're debating.
[2:04:55] Speaker 15: So that's the starting point. So because the definition of God,
[2:05:00] Speaker 15: you know, for those who believe, is as a source
[2:05:02] Speaker 15: of goodness.
[2:05:04] Speaker 3: That's why, you know, you know, just you know, justin
[2:05:06] Speaker 3: in Hebrew, the word for man and the word for
[2:05:09] Speaker 3: fires I spelled exactly the same. Some people must be
[2:05:12] Speaker 3: made out of fire.
[2:05:14] Speaker 15: Okay. Regardless which which claims you sounds more legitimate that
[2:05:22] Speaker 15: theists claim that good exists or the atheists claim that
[2:05:24] Speaker 15: good does not exist.
[2:05:28] Speaker 1: Literally why you would why you would put that on us.
[2:05:31] Speaker 1: I've never understand why our position God is.
[2:05:35] Speaker 15: A misspelling of good.
[2:05:36] Speaker 1: No, it's not not even true, and that only works
[2:05:40] Speaker 1: in in the Germanic slash English lineage. They have nothing
[2:05:46] Speaker 1: to do with each other.
[2:05:47] Speaker 15: Okay, even if entertain, even if they had.
[2:05:51] Speaker 1: A similar etymological route, it wouldn't mean that God is real,
[2:05:56] Speaker 1: and it.
[2:05:56] Speaker 15: Is certainly real, like like give given the fact that
[2:05:59] Speaker 15: I'm ready, guys are wrong?
[2:06:01] Speaker 1: Good about the subjective opinion? Given the facts? They have
[2:06:05] Speaker 1: no idea how words work.
[2:06:07] Speaker 15: Okay, So regardless Dukan and Bible guy, which of these
[2:06:10] Speaker 15: statesments is more true? If God did exist, he'd be
[2:06:16] Speaker 15: more good or if God existed, he'd be more bad.
[2:06:20] Speaker 1: We have no idea what that would be like. We
[2:06:22] Speaker 1: don't have one to know. Yeah, most of the Holy
[2:06:27] Speaker 1: books is a prick and and in fact, the other
[2:06:30] Speaker 1: problem is why are you going to one God? Why
[2:06:32] Speaker 1: isn't there a billion gods?
[2:06:36] Speaker 15: So some religions believe that, but I think, do.
[2:06:38] Speaker 1: You believe in one god?
[2:06:42] Speaker 3: Religions believe that?
[2:06:44] Speaker 1: So why would God be good when he created the
[2:06:47] Speaker 1: earth with natural disasters?
[2:06:51] Speaker 15: I think you know the original intent of religion is
[2:06:53] Speaker 15: to spread good.
[2:06:54] Speaker 1: But it's almost like I asked you a question. Why
[2:06:56] Speaker 1: would God be good if he created the earth with
[2:06:58] Speaker 1: natural disasters? So keep in mind if you don't answer
[2:07:09] Speaker 1: my question, I'll ask you again. So it's up to
[2:07:11] Speaker 1: you on how many times you want to get asked
[2:07:12] Speaker 1: the same question.
[2:07:15] Speaker 15: I think you're I think you're a bit confused econ
[2:07:18] Speaker 15: about you know is good good?
[2:07:21] Speaker 1: Actually, I think you're confused about how these live streams work.
[2:07:26] Speaker 1: This is not where you get to just avoid easy questions.
[2:07:31] Speaker 1: Dialogues go both ways. You ask questions, I ask questions.
[2:07:35] Speaker 2: Oh, thank you for the dog.
[2:07:35] Speaker 1: I appreciate that for one too. So I ask you
[2:07:38] Speaker 1: an easy question. It sounds like you just don't want
[2:07:40] Speaker 1: to answer it because you know where it happens to lead.
[2:07:42] Speaker 1: And also sounds like you're unserious' You're at a level
[2:07:48] Speaker 1: of either really confused or troll right now. If your
[2:07:52] Speaker 1: a troll, it's a pretty good troll. If you're not
[2:07:54] Speaker 1: a troll, I have questions about your mental soundness. Okay,
[2:08:01] Speaker 1: well we're gonna dump him. We got other people waiting
[2:08:04] Speaker 1: to get him.
[2:08:06] Speaker 3: Language stuff always is like a big pet peeve for me.
[2:08:10] Speaker 1: Dude, It's so annoying. When God sounds like good, he
[2:08:13] Speaker 1: must be real. What a what a crazy argument? R
[2:08:16] Speaker 1: T thank you for the five dollars supertest says, what
[2:08:18] Speaker 1: do you think about this question? Which one does God
[2:08:21] Speaker 1: care about?
[2:08:21] Speaker 15: More?
[2:08:21] Speaker 1: Free will or relationship with you? I mean, in the
[2:08:25] Speaker 1: in the Christian worldview, they have to say free will
[2:08:29] Speaker 1: because free will is their ticket out for so many
[2:08:32] Speaker 1: horrible things. Crust I certainly not, Prusty says, listening to
[2:08:39] Speaker 1: Blitz Cooking on his new channel today, justin you would
[2:08:42] Speaker 1: have been proud. I watched it. I was there. I
[2:08:46] Speaker 1: was proud.
[2:08:47] Speaker 16: You know.
[2:08:47] Speaker 1: I love Doctor Blizz's channel. Derek, thank you for the
[2:08:51] Speaker 1: five dollar supertest, says, thank you for your donation. Well, Derek,
[2:08:54] Speaker 1: thank you for your donation. I appreciate that. And again
[2:08:58] Speaker 1: for another donation from Derek, he says, from a fellow
[2:09:01] Speaker 1: Ohioan who escaped the Catholic Church, keep up the great work. Well,
[2:09:04] Speaker 1: I'm glad you escaped the Catholic Church, but not escaped Ohio.
[2:09:08] Speaker 1: Even though if you get too far north you end
[2:09:11] Speaker 1: up in the Mistake on the Lake. Other than that,
[2:09:13] Speaker 1: there are some decent places to be in this glorious state,
[2:09:16] Speaker 1: and remember Ohio is the heart of it all. Friends
[2:09:19] Speaker 1: and oops caught on camera, thank you for the findo
[2:09:21] Speaker 1: ouur supertest says I've heard that the rapture prediction was
[2:09:24] Speaker 1: off due to God not knowing that we use a
[2:09:26] Speaker 1: different calendar. Now he will never understand time zones, isn't
[2:09:30] Speaker 1: that's the craziest thing. Well, I mean, surely he'd be
[2:09:32] Speaker 1: using the time in Jerusalem. I don't see why he
[2:09:35] Speaker 1: would be using American time. But if that were the case,
[2:09:38] Speaker 1: I mean, theoretically it would only be delayed twenty four
[2:09:42] Speaker 1: hours one way or another, Like, it wouldn't be delayed
[2:09:44] Speaker 1: for days.
[2:09:47] Speaker 3: What year is it right now over Israel?
[2:09:51] Speaker 1: I don't actually know. Google will tell you.
[2:09:53] Speaker 3: I think it's like, yeah, I think if if it's
[2:09:56] Speaker 3: like supposed to be that thing where Christians think that
[2:09:58] Speaker 3: the six stays represents six thousand years and we still
[2:10:00] Speaker 3: got like a couple hundred years before Jesus supposed to
[2:10:03] Speaker 3: come back, So you know that's true, big old time frame.
[2:10:06] Speaker 1: Indeed, forge the Gods says, you said, there is no heaven,
[2:10:11] Speaker 1: you just get resurrected scripture. Please. Okay, So, first of all,
[2:10:15] Speaker 1: heaven just means the sky. Both in the Greek New
[2:10:18] Speaker 1: Testament Hebrew Testament, heaven always means the sky. They have
[2:10:21] Speaker 1: no concept of an other worldly plane. That's why God's
[2:10:26] Speaker 1: throne is in the sky. God dwells among the angels
[2:10:30] Speaker 1: in the sky. Jesus comes riding on the clouds. God
[2:10:33] Speaker 1: is the cloud writer because they live in the sky.
[2:10:36] Speaker 1: So what it says heaven heaven just means the sky.
[2:10:39] Speaker 1: The renewed Heaven and the renewed Earth means that the
[2:10:43] Speaker 1: sky and the earth are going to be renewed and
[2:10:45] Speaker 1: we're going to have a garden like state again, and
[2:10:48] Speaker 1: then everyone's gonna live forever. It's basically righting all the
[2:10:51] Speaker 1: wrongs and going back to the ademic state. I mean
[2:10:58] Speaker 1: to be sure. I mean, you can just go to
[2:11:00] Speaker 1: Daniel chapter twelve. At the beginning of Daniel chapter twelve
[2:11:02] Speaker 1: tells you the same thing with First Thessalonians chapter four
[2:11:06] Speaker 1: Versus thirteen to the end. There's others, but my guess
[2:11:11] Speaker 1: is if you have a Bible with cross references, that'll
[2:11:13] Speaker 1: get you going. Isaiah chapter twenty six has some resurrection
[2:11:17] Speaker 1: motif at the end of it as well. Squid Pope
[2:11:19] Speaker 1: says top three worst things to happen to Christianity one Paul,
[2:11:23] Speaker 1: two Plato, three Calvinism, and shit, I don't know if
[2:11:27] Speaker 1: I could agree more. I mean those are all true.
[2:11:30] Speaker 1: To be fair, I don't know if Christianity would have
[2:11:33] Speaker 1: been the same without Paul.
[2:11:36] Speaker 3: I think we had Trump to that list.
[2:11:39] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[2:11:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, Well here's the other thing though, though without Plato
[2:11:42] Speaker 1: you might not have gotten Paul. You might not have
[2:11:44] Speaker 1: gotten Paul or Christianity without Plato.
[2:11:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, especially with Hebrews, with its whole idea of there
[2:11:50] Speaker 3: being the true forms of things in heaven that are
[2:11:53] Speaker 3: on earth. Would you get that without Platonic thought? Probably not?
[2:11:57] Speaker 1: Nope, you never would. Hannibals says, like the evil God
[2:12:01] Speaker 1: of the Bible, I too love the spell of good barbecue.
[2:12:05] Speaker 1: People do rag on the sacrificial system and they're like, oh,
[2:12:08] Speaker 1: how horrible it was. But like, I've studied the Old
[2:12:12] Speaker 1: Testament all my life, and here's my thought. I would
[2:12:15] Speaker 1: I mean, other than the fact that I love animals
[2:12:17] Speaker 1: and I want to kill that many animals fucking all
[2:12:19] Speaker 1: day barbecue? Yeah, yeah, that sounds awesome.
[2:12:21] Speaker 3: God's got God's gotta eat.
[2:12:24] Speaker 1: God got to eat Exus?
[2:12:26] Speaker 4: Was it?
[2:12:26] Speaker 1: Thirty twenty nine? Thirty two.
[2:12:28] Speaker 10: I look it up.
[2:12:29] Speaker 1: Exodus literally has a daily feeding schedule for Yahweh. In
[2:12:32] Speaker 1: the book of Leviticus, Yahweh demands his food. Yahweh doesn't
[2:12:37] Speaker 1: call it sacrifice every time. There's versus in Leviticus where
[2:12:41] Speaker 1: it's literally referred to as Yahweh's leham, his food or
[2:12:44] Speaker 1: his bread.
[2:12:46] Speaker 3: And of course, of Malachi refers to the altars, the Shokann,
[2:12:49] Speaker 3: the table of the Lord Yep.
[2:12:55] Speaker 1: And another one from dB says, gonna have to watch later,
[2:12:58] Speaker 1: but cook some for me. We're doing that much, my friend,
[2:13:00] Speaker 1: We're doing as much cooking as possible. And Lois says,
[2:13:03] Speaker 1: Almighty Doug made an appearance to me yesterday. Well, congratulations,
[2:13:07] Speaker 1: new prophet of Doug. Yesterday I was getting coffee and
[2:13:09] Speaker 1: noticed a rock inside the chip chip jar. Praise Doug. Yes,
[2:13:13] Speaker 1: they were manifesting the love of Doug as a tip.
[2:13:17] Speaker 1: I mean, I don't recommend tipping people rocks. Doug wants
[2:13:21] Speaker 1: you to leave real tips so that people can feed
[2:13:23] Speaker 1: their families. But we do love people sharing. Doug and Godwin,
[2:13:27] Speaker 1: thank you for the super says is this true? I
[2:13:29] Speaker 1: heard Paul didn't write women no talking in church, but
[2:13:33] Speaker 1: instead it was a Roman author who were more misogynists. Yes,
[2:13:37] Speaker 1: most scholars that are in textual criticism kind of agree
[2:13:41] Speaker 1: with this. The first one that tipped me off to
[2:13:43] Speaker 1: this was Linda Belleville. Linda Bellville is unfortunately she went
[2:13:49] Speaker 1: crazy for Trump the first term, but she's still a
[2:13:51] Speaker 1: decent biblical author. She wrote commentaries for the Pillar New
[2:13:55] Speaker 1: Testament Commentary series, and she also is involved in a
[2:13:59] Speaker 1: number of Bible translations. But she's done a lot of
[2:14:01] Speaker 1: work on this particular passage in Corinthians and talks about
[2:14:04] Speaker 1: the textual history of it. Yeah, it doesn't appear to
[2:14:07] Speaker 1: be original to the to the corpus of Pauline letters.
[2:14:10] Speaker 1: Steve says, is it Pie or Pie? My cat is
[2:14:13] Speaker 1: named Pi. But it was a double entendre because when
[2:14:16] Speaker 1: I first got my cat. First of all, I have
[2:14:18] Speaker 1: nerd names for all my animals. My dog was named
[2:14:21] Speaker 1: Terabyte because she was a pit bull. Pie was named
[2:14:24] Speaker 1: Pie because he was fat, really fat.
[2:14:28] Speaker 3: Don't you know? Justin that originally it was Pie, but
[2:14:31] Speaker 3: they dropped a letter and they mean exactly the same thing.
[2:14:34] Speaker 1: I did not know that, But the last guest would
[2:14:37] Speaker 1: have had uh, had me believe that for sure? And
[2:14:40] Speaker 1: Eris says should have a saying for Rocky as well.
[2:14:44] Speaker 1: How about Rocky rocking out for Rocky. You know, we
[2:14:48] Speaker 1: do need to get a slogan for each of the
[2:14:50] Speaker 1: members of the quadrinity. We need one for Rocky and Pebbles.
[2:14:53] Speaker 1: Let's think on this, friends, Let's think on this and
[2:14:56] Speaker 1: helping Mega deconstructions with Justin. I know you're smarter than
[2:14:58] Speaker 1: I am, but I wrestled for more more than half
[2:15:00] Speaker 1: of my life. Yet I don't know if I ever
[2:15:03] Speaker 1: played wrastling. That's because you're not from the South, helping
[2:15:06] Speaker 1: Mega deconstruct If you live below the Mason Dixon line,
[2:15:09] Speaker 1: you wrastled. If you grew where I grew up, you
[2:15:13] Speaker 1: probably wrestled. And I sometimes you'll hear a little bit
[2:15:16] Speaker 1: of Southern accent out of me, not too often, only
[2:15:19] Speaker 1: because my father was from the Hollers, and so every once.
[2:15:23] Speaker 3: In a while when I drink, the Texas accent comes out,
[2:15:27] Speaker 3: for sure.
[2:15:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, every once in a while, something that you've been
[2:15:30] Speaker 1: saying like that since you were a kid, because your
[2:15:32] Speaker 1: dad said it that way, comes out.
[2:15:34] Speaker 14: You know.
[2:15:35] Speaker 1: Noko says, you can't come on someone's live stream and
[2:15:39] Speaker 1: think it's yours. Nice try though exactly listen. I love
[2:15:42] Speaker 1: that you're here, friends, if you come up to debate me,
[2:15:45] Speaker 1: but it's not your live stream, Chris, thank you for
[2:15:48] Speaker 1: the fight. Our supertest says, well, fuck, Doug needs an altar,
[2:15:51] Speaker 1: so take this bloody money is the term robbing Peter
[2:15:54] Speaker 1: to pay Paul some type of apologetic and how so
[2:15:57] Speaker 1: thank you, well, thank you for the uh offering to
[2:16:00] Speaker 1: Doug and the saying robbing Peter to pay Paul. I
[2:16:04] Speaker 1: don't know how it actually originated, but basically the idea
[2:16:08] Speaker 1: is that you're taking money from a source to pay
[2:16:11] Speaker 1: the source. It basically it's a shell game.
[2:16:15] Speaker 3: Did you get a censor for the altar? Like one
[2:16:19] Speaker 3: of the ones that you can like swing? You need
[2:16:22] Speaker 3: to get like some clay and make it look like
[2:16:25] Speaker 3: a little like a rock. Well, I hold on, oh boy.
[2:16:38] Speaker 1: I went Catholic style. I still need I still need
[2:16:42] Speaker 1: the chain. The Catholics have theirs on a chain so
[2:16:46] Speaker 1: you can swing it. But I haven't gotten a fake
[2:16:49] Speaker 1: gold chain to be sure. This is not real gold, friends,
[2:16:52] Speaker 1: This is a twelve dollars Amazon purchase. I highly recommend it,
[2:16:56] Speaker 1: but you can burn all kinds of incense in here,
[2:16:58] Speaker 1: even the loose leaf incense that the Catholic.
[2:17:01] Speaker 3: Spy which way about Catholics?
[2:17:04] Speaker 1: It smells good, doesn't it?
[2:17:05] Speaker 3: You?
[2:17:06] Speaker 1: You smelled it?
[2:17:07] Speaker 3: Yes, I love When I was a Catholic, I loved
[2:17:10] Speaker 3: going to matt and my priests used to use incense
[2:17:13] Speaker 3: every mass. Loved it. And say what you want about
[2:17:16] Speaker 3: Catholic Orthodox, they know how to put on a show,
[2:17:18] Speaker 3: the very theatrical.
[2:17:19] Speaker 1: It's true. All right, I'm gonna read two super chats
[2:17:22] Speaker 1: and then we're gonna get going. MRG. Thank you for
[2:17:25] Speaker 1: gifting out twenty DZ Debate memberships. That is huge, big
[2:17:30] Speaker 1: w friend, I super appreciate that. And also doctor David
[2:17:34] Speaker 1: is back with us says that God and good son
[2:17:39] Speaker 1: and son blah blah blah bs is a typical play
[2:17:41] Speaker 1: on words used by the pro fake aka prophets most
[2:17:46] Speaker 1: importantly in life. Is rock hard for Doug, keep up
[2:17:49] Speaker 1: the great work justin at AL. I don't know at
[2:17:52] Speaker 1: al means, but thank you so much for the appreciation.
[2:17:55] Speaker 1: And last one from our friend Tim, Tim, thank you
[2:17:57] Speaker 1: for the ten dollar super chests. Can you comment on
[2:18:00] Speaker 1: scriptures that apologists use to claim the Bible is divinely
[2:18:02] Speaker 1: inspired when it mentions the Earth as a sphere before
[2:18:05] Speaker 1: it was common knowledge, specifically Isaiah forty two. So Isaiah
[2:18:09] Speaker 1: forty twenty two didn't say that. It refers to it
[2:18:12] Speaker 1: as the circle of the Earth, And a lot of
[2:18:14] Speaker 1: scholars think that it either one of two things. It
[2:18:18] Speaker 1: refers to the dome over the earth, the Rakia we
[2:18:24] Speaker 1: call it the firmament in the King James, or it
[2:18:26] Speaker 1: could refer to the disc of the Earth, because the
[2:18:29] Speaker 1: same word in Hebrew is used for discs and for circles.
[2:18:33] Speaker 1: Now we know that the Earth isn't a circle because
[2:18:35] Speaker 1: it's not hollow, So if we're translating it as a disc,
[2:18:39] Speaker 1: then it's just a flat disc. And this matches what
[2:18:42] Speaker 1: everybody in the ancient earies thought about the Earth. In fact,
[2:18:45] Speaker 1: I've got the flat Earth map behind me that shows
[2:18:48] Speaker 1: it from ancient Babylon as a disc. Sorry you can't
[2:18:50] Speaker 1: see it because my green screen's up. But the reality
[2:18:53] Speaker 1: is everybody in eenaries thought it was a disc.
[2:18:56] Speaker 3: To be sure, if the Israelites wanted to say the
[2:18:59] Speaker 3: Earth was a sphere, they had a perfectly good word.
[2:19:02] Speaker 3: They could have. Isaiah twenty eight thirteen says, I will
[2:19:05] Speaker 3: throw you like a ball into the field. Hebrew a door.
[2:19:08] Speaker 3: They could have said that, but no they chose circle.
[2:19:11] Speaker 4: Yep.
[2:19:11] Speaker 1: It's just one of those things. Good addition there, Dalton.
[2:19:16] Speaker 1: All right, let's grab our next in line. And I
[2:19:20] Speaker 1: don't know who was next in line, but it looks
[2:19:22] Speaker 1: like it's gonna be Carson, and then maybe I know
[2:19:26] Speaker 1: it all or maybe Pedro. Welcome in Carson.
[2:19:35] Speaker 17: Hey, I was just gonna ask you a question about
[2:19:38] Speaker 17: Isaiah fifty.
[2:19:39] Speaker 1: Three is the Carson?
[2:19:41] Speaker 6: Are you a Christian?
[2:19:43] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[2:19:44] Speaker 9: Like make most tick on it?
[2:19:45] Speaker 1: Really so you're not a believer?
[2:19:50] Speaker 5: No?
[2:19:51] Speaker 1: Okay, well we're just debating believers. Okay, I'm a man, Okay,
[2:19:56] Speaker 1: I get it. If you have questions on Isaiah ifty three,
[2:19:58] Speaker 1: does DM me I answer them?
[2:19:59] Speaker 6: Okay?
[2:20:00] Speaker 1: Oh he's gone. You don't have to come up here.
[2:20:02] Speaker 1: And if you just want a question, I'll get the eventually.
[2:20:04] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. It takes me a while to get to
[2:20:06] Speaker 1: all my messages, but I will. I promise if you
[2:20:08] Speaker 1: have questions on Davity three, I'll send your notes. All right,
[2:20:12] Speaker 1: let's get I know it all seventeen seventy six. I'm
[2:20:16] Speaker 1: sure this won't go south.
[2:20:18] Speaker 9: Oh boy, I'm sup.
[2:20:20] Speaker 17: Are you doing it on I'm good, I'm Christian.
[2:20:24] Speaker 1: Cool and are at least eighteen Yeah?
[2:20:28] Speaker 2: Cool?
[2:20:28] Speaker 1: What'd be a good piece of evidence or convincing argument
[2:20:32] Speaker 1: for Christianity being true?
[2:20:35] Speaker 18: Well, one thing I want to correct real quick is
[2:20:37] Speaker 18: something that you said a little bit ago about the
[2:20:40] Speaker 18: word sky.
[2:20:42] Speaker 4: Uh huh.
[2:20:46] Speaker 18: First off, I want to just say this real quick.
[2:20:48] Speaker 18: What do people in England call a football a soccer ball?
[2:20:54] Speaker 1: They call it a football, but I don't care.
[2:20:56] Speaker 17: Okay, So what?
[2:20:57] Speaker 5: Okay?
[2:20:57] Speaker 18: So do we have a word football and is it
[2:20:59] Speaker 18: the same an exact thing as the their football?
[2:21:03] Speaker 1: I'm sorry? Is this related to the word heaven?
[2:21:07] Speaker 17: I'm asking you a question if you don't want.
[2:21:08] Speaker 3: To answer, spelled differently in England?
[2:21:12] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[2:21:12] Speaker 5: Is it the same word?
[2:21:13] Speaker 1: Differently?
[2:21:14] Speaker 12: Is?
[2:21:14] Speaker 3: Is?
[2:21:14] Speaker 17: Is it the same word? This is just an example.
[2:21:17] Speaker 17: This is just an example.
[2:21:18] Speaker 18: But I mean there's plenty of words that that we
[2:21:21] Speaker 18: say that are very common with them that have different meanings.
[2:21:24] Speaker 18: But in the actual text right when it's referring to
[2:21:27] Speaker 18: Jewish people writing this word saying heaven.
[2:21:30] Speaker 17: And not only that, but your incode is the word?
[2:21:34] Speaker 17: Can you pull up the definition real quick?
[2:21:36] Speaker 3: Can you tell me what the word for heaven.
[2:21:40] Speaker 17: Just pull up the definition.
[2:21:42] Speaker 1: So the word is hashamayam, and do you do you
[2:21:44] Speaker 1: know what it means?
[2:21:45] Speaker 4: Can you just pull up the word real quick?
[2:21:47] Speaker 1: Do you know what it means? You can say no
[2:21:49] Speaker 1: if you don't, Yes.
[2:21:50] Speaker 17: I do know what it means. And that's not the
[2:21:52] Speaker 17: word that is got Go look at up.
[2:21:56] Speaker 3: It's gotta go look it up.
[2:21:57] Speaker 1: To be sure. There's two words.
[2:21:59] Speaker 17: Go to Matthew six and ten and pull up the
[2:22:02] Speaker 17: inner linear concord's that's Greek.
[2:22:05] Speaker 9: That's what I'm talking about.
[2:22:07] Speaker 17: We're talking about the Greek.
[2:22:08] Speaker 10: That's what you were talking about.
[2:22:09] Speaker 17: No, no, no, no, you're switching to the Hebrew.
[2:22:12] Speaker 4: Go to the Greek.
[2:22:13] Speaker 1: You were talking about in the Hebrew. I gave you
[2:22:15] Speaker 1: a Hebrew phrase.
[2:22:18] Speaker 17: You were talking about it in the Greek a second ago.
[2:22:20] Speaker 4: I know.
[2:22:23] Speaker 17: Okay, okay, pull up the Greek. He said there was
[2:22:27] Speaker 17: no Greek word for for for other than heaven being sky.
[2:22:31] Speaker 17: In the Greek, you said that exactly what.
[2:22:35] Speaker 2: Is the sky?
[2:22:37] Speaker 17: Yes, but it has more than one definition.
[2:22:40] Speaker 2: No, it does not.
[2:22:42] Speaker 17: Just pull it up, pull it up, pull it up.
[2:22:44] Speaker 17: Stop being his coward, pull it up.
[2:22:47] Speaker 3: Recording. I can't sing. I think of a single verse
[2:22:50] Speaker 3: in the scriptures where it doesn't refer to the sky,
[2:22:53] Speaker 3: which is where lives.
[2:22:55] Speaker 18: Yeah, but when he says it, when he says the sky,
[2:22:58] Speaker 18: he's only talking about like he was making it seem
[2:23:02] Speaker 18: like he wasn't talking about the actual heavens, like he
[2:23:04] Speaker 18: wasn't pave anything above right. So in Matthew six and
[2:23:11] Speaker 18: ten he says, make everything like it is on earth,
[2:23:15] Speaker 18: Make everything on earth that is as it is in heaven? Right,
[2:23:18] Speaker 18: So is he basically saying make it just like clouds?
[2:23:21] Speaker 10: Is that what he's saying?
[2:23:22] Speaker 2: No, that he was saying.
[2:23:24] Speaker 3: No. First century Jews had a cosmology where they thought
[2:23:26] Speaker 3: that literally above them in the sky existed literally uh,
[2:23:31] Speaker 3: shadows and copies of everything that you'll see here on earth.
[2:23:33] Speaker 3: So they would have had trees and palaces and altars
[2:23:36] Speaker 3: and all kinds of things in the heavens above them,
[2:23:39] Speaker 3: but it's all in the sky.
[2:23:40] Speaker 15: Can you can you can you go to?
[2:23:41] Speaker 2: Can you go to blue letter Bible?
[2:23:42] Speaker 5: Real quick?
[2:23:43] Speaker 1: I'm in the Thayers Greek lexicon. It's not the most
[2:23:47] Speaker 1: go to blue letter Bible because not the most every
[2:23:49] Speaker 1: lake it it doesn't have every lexicon because it doesn't
[2:23:52] Speaker 1: have to like the b day costs three hundred dollars.
[2:23:55] Speaker 1: It's not there. The closest thing to the b Dag
[2:23:59] Speaker 1: is the Thayers Greek len which I have pulled up
[2:24:01] Speaker 1: in front of you.
[2:24:01] Speaker 17: Do do Greek students who study Greek?
[2:24:04] Speaker 2: Do they use blue letter Bible?
[2:24:06] Speaker 3: No?
[2:24:07] Speaker 1: You'd be laughed out of a room that they don't.
[2:24:10] Speaker 5: Really, No, No, it's.
[2:24:11] Speaker 15: Based on this. You are such gas lighters.
[2:24:14] Speaker 1: Oh my lord, No, they use an Alexica.
[2:24:17] Speaker 17: Got that from a professor I literally do that.
[2:24:20] Speaker 1: Well, then he should be fired. You have to use
[2:24:22] Speaker 1: that absolutely blue letter Bible.
[2:24:24] Speaker 2: Do you do you have a degree in you?
[2:24:26] Speaker 17: Do you have a degree in ancient Greek literature?
[2:24:28] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[2:24:29] Speaker 1: I went to school for it. I went to Bible College,
[2:24:31] Speaker 1: and then I went to seminary. I learned Greek and Hebrew. Okay,
[2:24:35] Speaker 1: first off, so I was actually was, I'll show you
[2:24:38] Speaker 1: my degree right here.
[2:24:38] Speaker 3: Hold on, yeah, if you if you said, but actually.
[2:24:46] Speaker 1: In theological seminary, I graduated in twenty thirteen. Did you
[2:24:51] Speaker 1: go to Greek class? Because it sounds like you didn't know.
[2:24:54] Speaker 1: But I have a lot of friends. At least I'm
[2:24:56] Speaker 1: honest about it. Oh, I know, I know a guy
[2:24:58] Speaker 1: I had a friend. No, no, no, okay. So an
[2:25:00] Speaker 1: actual lexicon, so natural lexicon is what we would use
[2:25:04] Speaker 1: to pull up definitions. If you and you and blue
[2:25:08] Speaker 1: and I'm showing you the free lexicon, that is the best.
[2:25:12] Speaker 17: Right now, just pull up your definition. I want to see.
[2:25:19] Speaker 1: Okay, And what's this word here? Oh my gosh, it's shamayam,
[2:25:25] Speaker 1: the same Hebrew words.
[2:25:26] Speaker 17: Almost like we said that the heights above the upper regions,
[2:25:29] Speaker 17: the heavens.
[2:25:30] Speaker 3: Yeah, the sky, yeah, the sky.
[2:25:35] Speaker 2: But but you were making it seem like there's.
[2:25:38] Speaker 1: A vaulted for the vaulted expanse of the sky with
[2:25:42] Speaker 1: all things visible in it.
[2:25:43] Speaker 2: Keep going down.
[2:25:44] Speaker 1: They literally believed that that was just they have no concept.
[2:25:50] Speaker 1: They have no concept of outer space in the Bible.
[2:25:53] Speaker 15: Keep going down.
[2:25:54] Speaker 1: What do you want to see? There's no concept of
[2:25:59] Speaker 1: outer space in the It's not there.
[2:26:02] Speaker 15: How do you what are you talking about?
[2:26:05] Speaker 1: You are reading outer space into the Bible. It's not there.
[2:26:08] Speaker 1: The biberial heavens or the clouds or yeah you got it,
[2:26:17] Speaker 1: the region where the clouds to gather, that place I know.
[2:26:20] Speaker 18: I down, keep going down, keep going down, zurreal starry
[2:26:25] Speaker 18: heavens on the heavenly forces of stars.
[2:26:29] Speaker 15: Keep going down the region cereal.
[2:26:31] Speaker 17: Heavens where God dwells and other heavenly beings.
[2:26:36] Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, in.
[2:26:37] Speaker 3: The sky, like we said, Yeah, first century Jews would
[2:26:43] Speaker 3: have believed that the earth was surrounded by seven concentric spheres,
[2:26:48] Speaker 3: the seven heavens.
[2:26:49] Speaker 4: Uh.
[2:26:49] Speaker 3: They had a different cosmology from the people of the
[2:26:51] Speaker 3: Old Testament. But for them above our heads in the
[2:26:54] Speaker 3: sky of the ascension of Isaiah, where the ascension of
[2:27:00] Speaker 3: the essention Isaiah, the life of Adam and Eve, and
[2:27:02] Speaker 3: the Talmud and also.
[2:27:04] Speaker 1: The okay, where does the book of the Book of
[2:27:08] Speaker 1: the Book of Edoka describes them actually as well?
[2:27:10] Speaker 2: Okay, so the Book of Enoch.
[2:27:14] Speaker 3: Paul mentions actually the third of the seven heavens, which
[2:27:17] Speaker 3: is where Paradise was located.
[2:27:18] Speaker 2: In the cosmic verse what verse.
[2:27:21] Speaker 3: Let's see where is that passage? I knew a man
[2:27:24] Speaker 3: who was caught up to the third heaven coverse Let's
[2:27:32] Speaker 3: see Second Corinthians twelve. I know a man in Christ
[2:27:35] Speaker 3: who fourteen years ago was caught up to the third Heaven.
[2:27:38] Speaker 3: Whether they're in the body or of the body, I
[2:27:40] Speaker 3: do not know.
[2:27:40] Speaker 6: God knows the.
[2:27:41] Speaker 3: Third Heaven in these classical cosmologies. So, for example, if
[2:27:45] Speaker 3: you read like the Life of Adam verse two second Christian. Yeah,
[2:27:51] Speaker 3: so again, as I was saying, if you read classical
[2:27:54] Speaker 3: Jewish apocalyptic mystical literature like the Life of Adam and Eve,
[2:27:59] Speaker 3: for example, it has seven heavens, and then the third
[2:28:02] Speaker 3: heaven is that that is where the Garden of Eden
[2:28:05] Speaker 3: is located in like this first century cosmology.
[2:28:14] Speaker 1: Well, I think we've confirmed that this guy indeed does
[2:28:16] Speaker 1: not know at all. He only thinks he does.
[2:28:19] Speaker 3: His name might as well just be Dunnan Krueger.
[2:28:21] Speaker 7: Mm hmm.
[2:28:23] Speaker 18: Yeah, talk crap while I'm looking something up. That's that's true, man.
[2:28:27] Speaker 18: Just how about you just be polite about it.
[2:28:30] Speaker 1: We had to fill the gap you were swiped away.
[2:28:33] Speaker 17: No, no, that that that that doesn't fill the gap.
[2:28:35] Speaker 3: I'm looking it up. No it doesn't.
[2:28:39] Speaker 1: You're just we already did. It's already too late. We
[2:28:41] Speaker 1: already filled the gap. No no, no, you didn't know,
[2:28:44] Speaker 1: we did.
[2:28:50] Speaker 18: Just give me one second before you start running your mouth, please,
[2:28:53] Speaker 18: I'd really like it. Before you start running your mouth,
[2:28:55] Speaker 18: let me come back, and then we can start talking
[2:28:57] Speaker 18: smack to each other.
[2:28:58] Speaker 2: At least at least have that respect.
[2:29:00] Speaker 5: Don't don't do it when I'm away.
[2:29:02] Speaker 1: But you didn't come in here respectful. I don't know
[2:29:04] Speaker 1: you anything.
[2:29:07] Speaker 5: How did I not come in here respectful?
[2:29:09] Speaker 1: You came in here saying you're going to correct somebody
[2:29:12] Speaker 1: on something that you don't know anything about. And then
[2:29:14] Speaker 1: you and then you talked, and then you talked over
[2:29:17] Speaker 1: us every second of it.
[2:29:19] Speaker 10: Huh.
[2:29:21] Speaker 1: You came in to correct us, and then as we
[2:29:24] Speaker 1: as we tried to dialogue about it, you talked over us.
[2:29:28] Speaker 1: You're the prick. You're the reason why people.
[2:29:30] Speaker 17: Don't like you, the reason why you don't get that
[2:29:32] Speaker 17: that was really seminary of your buddy.
[2:29:34] Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not Christian now, reason the reason why
[2:29:39] Speaker 1: people don't invite you to Thanksgiving dinner is because of this.
[2:29:49] Speaker 18: You gotta give me because you're hearing, you're making, you're making.
[2:29:52] Speaker 18: You made me accidentally scroll out of what I was doing.
[2:29:54] Speaker 18: You gotta give me one second. You guys just keep
[2:29:56] Speaker 18: keep blabbing on about whatever.
[2:29:58] Speaker 3: I'll be right back justin. I imagine thinking that scholars
[2:30:03] Speaker 3: in the field to use like the strongest concordinants from
[2:30:06] Speaker 3: blue letter.
[2:30:07] Speaker 1: By God, what an embarrassment I would have gotten an f. Literally,
[2:30:10] Speaker 1: if I did like a word study and I used
[2:30:14] Speaker 1: the strong's concordance as a lexicon, they would have They
[2:30:18] Speaker 1: wouldn't even have given me a grade. My professor would
[2:30:21] Speaker 1: have been too ashamed to even grate it. He would
[2:30:23] Speaker 1: have sent me home and said, here, here's a free lexicon.
[2:30:26] Speaker 1: Don't use this trash. Apparently no one told you.
[2:30:30] Speaker 3: One of my favorite quotes from Dan McClellan because it's
[2:30:33] Speaker 3: so true. He says, if anyone tells you to look
[2:30:36] Speaker 3: into the strong concordinance, it's the most sure way of
[2:30:38] Speaker 3: knowing they don't know Hebrew or Greek.
[2:30:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. That is my litmus test for anyone
[2:30:44] Speaker 1: claiming to know Hebrew or Greek. If you if you
[2:30:46] Speaker 1: say that, use strong concordance, you're done. The other thing,
[2:30:49] Speaker 1: My other litmus test for people saying that they studied
[2:30:53] Speaker 1: the language is just to see if they can conjugate
[2:30:56] Speaker 1: a verb. If they can't conjugate a verb, you didn't
[2:30:58] Speaker 1: study the language. You might have learned a couple of words,
[2:31:01] Speaker 1: but like if you don't know how how to make
[2:31:03] Speaker 1: a word future or past tense, like you don't really
[2:31:06] Speaker 1: know how the language works yet.
[2:31:11] Speaker 3: I remember when I was Yeah, when I was a
[2:31:15] Speaker 3: fundamentalist in my Keeper Roots congregation, we had two books
[2:31:21] Speaker 3: that we read from exclusively. It was the Bible and
[2:31:24] Speaker 3: the Strongs Concordinance. And what we were talking about. Yeah,
[2:31:31] Speaker 3: for sure. For anyone who's in the comment section wondering
[2:31:35] Speaker 3: why we are dogging on the Strongs Concordinates is because
[2:31:38] Speaker 3: it doesn't actually tell you what the Hebrew Aramaker Greek
[2:31:40] Speaker 3: really means. It only tells you how it's translated into
[2:31:43] Speaker 3: the King James version Bible. So so I just want
[2:31:46] Speaker 3: you to explain this to me real quick.
[2:31:47] Speaker 18: So you said the Paul went to the third level, right, So,
[2:31:51] Speaker 18: like we were talking about seven levels a second ago.
[2:31:54] Speaker 18: Mm hmmm, where does it say anything about a second
[2:31:57] Speaker 18: seven like seven levels in the Bible.
[2:31:59] Speaker 3: I've already knew my sources for you. It's still like
[2:32:02] Speaker 3: in the Bible. Fun fact, the Bible isn't like the
[2:32:06] Speaker 3: entire breath of all Christian Jewish.
[2:32:07] Speaker 1: Okay, so so, but but what I'm saying, though, is
[2:32:11] Speaker 1: what I never read the Bible said that, why are
[2:32:13] Speaker 1: you putting that on? Okay, you're talking about like the
[2:32:17] Speaker 1: Bible heavens.
[2:32:19] Speaker 3: I just thought that that's what I just said. That's
[2:32:21] Speaker 3: what Jewish and first century Jewish cosmology was. I never
[2:32:24] Speaker 3: claimed that you can find those.
[2:32:26] Speaker 17: Okay, So the third level, the third level, I just
[2:32:29] Speaker 17: read on that.
[2:32:30] Speaker 18: No, when I just read upon that, right, the third
[2:32:32] Speaker 18: level was talking about the where God dwells.
[2:32:35] Speaker 17: Right, wasn't talking about the seventh level or anything else. Yes,
[2:32:39] Speaker 17: that's what I just got. No, it doesn't say the
[2:32:41] Speaker 17: highest place where God dwells.
[2:32:43] Speaker 3: That's what if you if you know, if you read
[2:32:45] Speaker 3: for a second Corinthias Charter twelve, it doesn't say anything
[2:32:48] Speaker 3: about God dwelling in the third Heaven. It's just that's
[2:32:50] Speaker 3: where Paradise is located. And if you where it's in
[2:32:55] Speaker 3: the third heaven, where's God in the seventh heaven?
[2:33:00] Speaker 4: Okay?
[2:33:00] Speaker 3: Where does it say that in the in the Life
[2:33:03] Speaker 3: of Adam and Eve and in the book.
[2:33:05] Speaker 17: Where does it say that the seventh seventh level?
[2:33:09] Speaker 1: He's telling you we're talking over Yes.
[2:33:12] Speaker 17: No, he isn't. He just said seven days of Adam, I'll.
[2:33:16] Speaker 1: Meet him since he doesn't have any self control.
[2:33:19] Speaker 3: Here are your three sources. You can go look and
[2:33:21] Speaker 3: you can go study them. The Life of Adam and Eve,
[2:33:24] Speaker 3: The Ascension, of Isaiah First Enoch all described God as
[2:33:28] Speaker 3: existing in the seventh heaven, which is the final layer
[2:33:31] Speaker 3: of the heavens. And in the life of Adam and Eve,
[2:33:33] Speaker 3: we actually have a story where after Adam and It
[2:33:36] Speaker 3: has passed away, the angels are commanded by God to
[2:33:39] Speaker 3: go to take his body to the third heaven, where
[2:33:42] Speaker 3: Paradise is located, and to bury him there. So like
[2:33:45] Speaker 3: this was just typical of first century Judeo Christian like cosmology.
[2:33:50] Speaker 3: That's all I've said. And if you want to read
[2:33:52] Speaker 3: Paul and understand what he's saying, you have to understand
[2:33:55] Speaker 3: like the background culture.
[2:33:57] Speaker 17: Okay, once again, where are you seeing the seventh level?
[2:34:00] Speaker 17: You're just like seven days?
[2:34:01] Speaker 1: Is he hear what he says?
[2:34:03] Speaker 4: Yes?
[2:34:04] Speaker 17: I did, right, But he has said anything about it.
[2:34:06] Speaker 1: We'll do this again. Don't go ahead, list your sources again.
[2:34:11] Speaker 3: The ascension of Isaiah and First Enoch, I can include Hell,
[2:34:17] Speaker 3: which is seven levels.
[2:34:18] Speaker 17: Where is it said about that?
[2:34:19] Speaker 5: Seven days?
[2:34:20] Speaker 17: Isn't seven levels?
[2:34:21] Speaker 1: I just told you he didn't say seven days.
[2:34:25] Speaker 5: He said seven levels, right.
[2:34:26] Speaker 17: The only thing about Adam and Eve that it says
[2:34:28] Speaker 17: is seven days.
[2:34:30] Speaker 1: We're not talking about the Bible, and huh, do you
[2:34:33] Speaker 1: do you not know that you just an extra biblical text?
[2:34:38] Speaker 1: Do you don't know the life is a Jewish apocag?
[2:34:42] Speaker 1: This guy doesn't know anything.
[2:34:44] Speaker 18: Okay, to sit here, No, to sit here, and to
[2:34:48] Speaker 18: say that the Jewish people back in the day believe
[2:34:51] Speaker 18: this when you like, you're saying that the people.
[2:34:55] Speaker 17: This and the same, the same people that I didn't say,
[2:34:59] Speaker 17: we're what are.
[2:35:00] Speaker 1: These writings called? What are the writing writing called? What
[2:35:04] Speaker 1: are these writings?
[2:35:05] Speaker 3: I'll say it one more time for you. Listen very carefully,
[2:35:09] Speaker 3: first Enoch, the life.
[2:35:11] Speaker 17: Of isn't isn't no?
[2:35:16] Speaker 3: First Enoch?
[2:35:17] Speaker 18: Do you think we have actual translations of like actual
[2:35:20] Speaker 18: little physical any reliable cop not.
[2:35:23] Speaker 5: Yes.
[2:35:24] Speaker 1: Languages no, we do not, Yes we do. Are they
[2:35:28] Speaker 1: all the same?
[2:35:29] Speaker 17: Are any of them the same?
[2:35:31] Speaker 3: We have Hebrew?
[2:35:34] Speaker 17: No, they don't.
[2:35:34] Speaker 1: Mostly there's also there's also a Syriac. We've got multiple language.
[2:35:40] Speaker 17: Why were they not included in any of the books.
[2:35:43] Speaker 3: Actually in the book it's actually quoted.
[2:35:45] Speaker 17: Okay, just because it's quoted and and and in the
[2:35:48] Speaker 17: Ethiopian Bible is okay, the Ethiopian Bible. That's another whole
[2:35:52] Speaker 17: different story. But just because it's quoted, right, early Christians
[2:35:56] Speaker 17: because it is not able to.
[2:35:58] Speaker 1: In fact, Tertullian wrote a whole treatise on why it
[2:36:01] Speaker 1: should be trusted as an authoritative canonical book.
[2:36:04] Speaker 17: Okay, so true True Jullian he was, he was what
[2:36:07] Speaker 17: he was an apostle, he was.
[2:36:08] Speaker 1: What he was, one of the this guy doesn't know ship.
[2:36:10] Speaker 4: Do you know?
[2:36:11] Speaker 1: I know who True Julian was.
[2:36:12] Speaker 17: I know who True Jullian was. That's why I asked
[2:36:14] Speaker 17: you that he's not an apostle.
[2:36:15] Speaker 1: He's not what Mini live.
[2:36:19] Speaker 17: He lived in the second century.
[2:36:21] Speaker 18: He lived it was like what two hundred, three hundred
[2:36:23] Speaker 18: years after after the after Jesus.
[2:36:27] Speaker 1: Well years after somewhere around that century.
[2:36:30] Speaker 17: But he was the first person to talk about So.
[2:36:33] Speaker 3: I guess, I guess our sources don't count because they're
[2:36:36] Speaker 3: not part of the Protestant No, you're sitting there the Bible.
[2:36:39] Speaker 18: You're sitting here, you're sitting here, and and you're you're
[2:36:42] Speaker 18: trying to talk about the Bible. But then you're using
[2:36:45] Speaker 18: the Book of Eochus that isn't authenticated, that the Jewish
[2:36:51] Speaker 18: people themselves don't include in their own books.
[2:36:54] Speaker 3: Actually did well.
[2:36:55] Speaker 1: The Jewish people don't include the they did until um.
[2:37:02] Speaker 18: Before, before the New Testament canonized by the Jewish people,
[2:37:08] Speaker 18: there was the book in it.
[2:37:10] Speaker 1: There was no canon prior to the to Jesus. The
[2:37:14] Speaker 1: canon wasn't sealed until the turn of the second century,
[2:37:18] Speaker 1: the formation of an It can be tracked back to
[2:37:21] Speaker 1: the Jamnia Council.
[2:37:25] Speaker 15: What is a canon?
[2:37:25] Speaker 1: That it's a measuring stick. The problem is that you
[2:37:29] Speaker 1: don't actually know. Listen, we don't have a closed until
[2:37:33] Speaker 1: after Christianity already started. The canon theoretically was the Torah
[2:37:38] Speaker 1: that can't know it wasn't only if you're a Samaritan.
[2:37:41] Speaker 1: The Samaritans only believed in the Torah. The rest of
[2:37:43] Speaker 1: the Jews down in Judea believed in all of the Torah,
[2:37:47] Speaker 1: the prophets, and the writings.
[2:37:49] Speaker 18: So you're talking about canon, right, You're talking about books
[2:37:52] Speaker 18: that they all accept.
[2:37:53] Speaker 17: As being what is true.
[2:37:57] Speaker 18: There is no single So you just said you you
[2:38:00] Speaker 18: just said that they all that that that that the Samaritans, right,
[2:38:03] Speaker 18: you said that they believed in only just the tour right,
[2:38:06] Speaker 18: and then the other people had books that they believed
[2:38:09] Speaker 18: to write like those, and.
[2:38:11] Speaker 1: The Sadducees only considered the Tora to be authoritative.
[2:38:15] Speaker 17: Okay, and then what were the other group, the Pharisees, right,
[2:38:18] Speaker 17: the Jews.
[2:38:19] Speaker 1: The they considered the books almost all of the Jewish writings,
[2:38:27] Speaker 1: depending on who you ask. It was only the rabbinic
[2:38:29] Speaker 1: Jews that sought to narrow it down later after the
[2:38:32] Speaker 1: movement of Christianity, because Christianity saw a group of Jewish
[2:38:36] Speaker 1: people pushing all kinds of narratives from these extra biblical texts,
[2:38:41] Speaker 1: and that's what motivated them to actually set up a
[2:38:44] Speaker 1: conference at the School of Jamnia to decide what are
[2:38:48] Speaker 1: the actual limits here?
[2:38:49] Speaker 14: Guys?
[2:38:50] Speaker 1: So, prior to Jesus coming, there was no canon.
[2:38:54] Speaker 17: There was no canon. No, no, you're really saying that
[2:38:58] Speaker 17: right now?
[2:38:59] Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, there was, just there were there were several
[2:39:03] Speaker 3: different Jewish books.
[2:39:04] Speaker 12: Did what what what?
[2:39:05] Speaker 4: What? What?
[2:39:06] Speaker 10: What books?
[2:39:06] Speaker 17: Did Jesus quote from from the from the Old Testament?
[2:39:10] Speaker 3: Wait, we are about to make the claim that Jesus
[2:39:12] Speaker 3: didn't quote from a book that it shouldn't be cannon?
[2:39:14] Speaker 3: So if so, did I say that?
[2:39:16] Speaker 10: Did I say that?
[2:39:17] Speaker 4: No?
[2:39:17] Speaker 10: I didn't?
[2:39:20] Speaker 1: Why are we ad Because.
[2:39:22] Speaker 18: Because because if Jesus was sitting there considering at the time, right,
[2:39:28] Speaker 18: and if the apostles were considering certain books and they
[2:39:31] Speaker 18: were talking about certain books, right, Why Jesus read from certain.
[2:39:34] Speaker 1: Why do we care what Jesus said? Why we're talking
[2:39:38] Speaker 1: about the Jews? Why is Jesus special? We're talking about
[2:39:40] Speaker 1: the Jewish canon. Jesus was a heretic, and we're.
[2:39:44] Speaker 18: Like talking about You brought up Christianity, right, Jo, At
[2:39:49] Speaker 18: least be consistent in your argument.
[2:39:51] Speaker 17: Be consistent in your argument. You brought up christian You
[2:39:53] Speaker 17: just talked about Christianity.
[2:39:54] Speaker 1: We're talking about the Jewish considered.
[2:39:56] Speaker 17: Anything until you you were talking about how.
[2:39:59] Speaker 1: This guy's soon as Christianity is not capable of following anything. No, no, no,
[2:40:04] Speaker 1: you're trying to no idea. He came in concuss like
[2:40:07] Speaker 1: he hit his head. Did you open it on the
[2:40:10] Speaker 1: way in?
[2:40:12] Speaker 17: Okay? Okay, since you want to be smart, did you?
[2:40:14] Speaker 5: Did you?
[2:40:14] Speaker 2: Or did you not?
[2:40:15] Speaker 18: Just talk about how the Jewish people got together because
[2:40:19] Speaker 18: of Christianity and they started saying what books they wanted
[2:40:22] Speaker 18: to include?
[2:40:23] Speaker 2: Right yere?
[2:40:24] Speaker 1: And what was the topic when I brought it?
[2:40:26] Speaker 17: You brought up?
[2:40:27] Speaker 1: You brought it was the topic.
[2:40:29] Speaker 17: When I brought it up, I was talking about canon.
[2:40:33] Speaker 1: What I was talking about the Jewish canon? Because you
[2:40:35] Speaker 1: brought it up. You brought up the Jewish canon.
[2:40:37] Speaker 5: Not me.
[2:40:38] Speaker 17: So you just admitted there was a Jewish cannon. I
[2:40:40] Speaker 17: thought there wasn't one.
[2:40:40] Speaker 9: He just said.
[2:40:43] Speaker 1: This guy's an idiot. All right, listen, you don't have
[2:40:47] Speaker 1: enough brain cells to be here. You got to go
[2:40:48] Speaker 1: somewhere else.
[2:40:50] Speaker 3: It just like a lot of Christians, he has a
[2:40:52] Speaker 3: very monolithic, underdeveloped understanding of what Judaism was in the
[2:40:56] Speaker 3: first century. Yeah, he's like they got They have the
[2:41:00] Speaker 3: Old Testament, the Protestant Old Testament. That's all they used
[2:41:04] Speaker 3: to be.
[2:41:04] Speaker 1: Sure, friends, I am I did start putting together a
[2:41:08] Speaker 1: list of Bible passages to demonstrate that God's throne is
[2:41:16] Speaker 1: in the skies, in the heavens. I'm gonna be adding
[2:41:18] Speaker 1: that to the cheat sheet. Look at Rob come back
[2:41:20] Speaker 1: to cry in the comments. Rob, you're too dumb to
[2:41:23] Speaker 1: know what cooking even is. That's why every time you
[2:41:25] Speaker 1: get up here you get embarrassed. Emir, thank you for
[2:41:29] Speaker 1: the five dollar supertest says I got a used three
[2:41:32] Speaker 1: D scanner for under two hundred. That's impressive. If it's good,
[2:41:35] Speaker 1: I'm sure you can find one too, at least borrow
[2:41:37] Speaker 1: to scan Doug into color three D model so no
[2:41:40] Speaker 1: excuse to justin well, Emir, I have a friend with
[2:41:42] Speaker 1: a good three D scanner that I've contacted, and so
[2:41:46] Speaker 1: I'm going to see if he can let me borrow
[2:41:47] Speaker 1: it for a weekend and do some three D scans
[2:41:50] Speaker 1: of DOUG so I can give them to Crystal to
[2:41:53] Speaker 1: three D print. So I think that's how we're gonna
[2:41:55] Speaker 1: do it. I don't want to spend a bunch of
[2:41:56] Speaker 1: money on a three D scanner. I'm not in engineering anymore.
[2:41:59] Speaker 1: I don't really need one at home. When I wasn't engineering,
[2:42:02] Speaker 1: you know, we had those kind of available to us,
[2:42:04] Speaker 1: But I just can't imagine spending the money on one
[2:42:07] Speaker 1: for home use. Daisy, thinking of the ten that was
[2:42:10] Speaker 1: supertest says. Medieval whalers traded narwhal horns as unicorn horns
[2:42:15] Speaker 1: for healing purposes, a trade that faded one's all worm.
[2:42:19] Speaker 1: A Danish naturalist presented a narwal skull in sixteen thirty eight.
[2:42:24] Speaker 1: That's actually really interesting.
[2:42:25] Speaker 3: I didn't know that, because like that's that's why in
[2:42:29] Speaker 3: the art the horns are always like curled like that,
[2:42:31] Speaker 3: because the fact that it was based off narwhal horns.
[2:42:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know the legend of the Karrien. Right,
[2:42:39] Speaker 1: there was an animal what do they call it? I
[2:42:42] Speaker 1: think they called it the Kararen after the horn. There
[2:42:45] Speaker 1: was an animal, according to Jewish legend it's in the Talmud,
[2:42:49] Speaker 1: that clung to the outside of the arc with og
[2:42:51] Speaker 1: the giant and survived the art. No, it was called
[2:42:54] Speaker 1: the Rama. Sorry, they referred to the animal as the Rama.
[2:42:57] Speaker 1: And it was a large horned animal that some how
[2:43:00] Speaker 1: survived the flood. And it's a it's a wild story.
[2:43:03] Speaker 1: The as the story goes, it was too large to
[2:43:06] Speaker 1: fit on the arc, so they tied it to the
[2:43:07] Speaker 1: side of the arc. It was a whole it's a
[2:43:11] Speaker 1: whole thing. But apparently his horns were so big it
[2:43:13] Speaker 1: couldn't like, couldn't fit.
[2:43:16] Speaker 3: That's great. I'm gonna add that to my next my
[2:43:18] Speaker 3: child's wall when I painted.
[2:43:21] Speaker 1: Yes see if you can find a depiction of the Rama. Austin,
[2:43:24] Speaker 1: thank you for the b supertest. My my shower thoughts
[2:43:27] Speaker 1: isn't prayer and insult to God. You're asking for something
[2:43:29] Speaker 1: he has not given because you do not trust his
[2:43:32] Speaker 1: plan is best for you. This is actually not just
[2:43:35] Speaker 1: a shower thought. This is a good thought. When I
[2:43:37] Speaker 1: was a Christian. I had the same concern, which is, like, listen,
[2:43:40] Speaker 1: if I just God, God's just gonna do what he
[2:43:42] Speaker 1: needs to and I just have to like live with it.
[2:43:45] Speaker 1: What the fuck am I praying for?
[2:43:47] Speaker 19: Like?
[2:43:47] Speaker 1: Am I can I change God's mind? What a useless idea?
[2:43:50] Speaker 3: Right?
[2:43:51] Speaker 1: So, yeah, prayer to me was was nonsensical. I'm with
[2:43:54] Speaker 1: you and Mo, thank you for the supertestes. Are there
[2:43:57] Speaker 1: better resources than Gateway Lexicon and so that can show
[2:44:01] Speaker 1: better reference to non septuagent Hebrew, that provides better context. Yeah,
[2:44:06] Speaker 1: there is a lot actually, So if you want a
[2:44:09] Speaker 1: free lexicon of Hebrew, I always recommend the BDB, the
[2:44:12] Speaker 1: Brown Driver Briggs Lexicon. You can get it free PDF.
[2:44:15] Speaker 1: You can get a cheap one online and hard copy.
[2:44:18] Speaker 1: If you want a free or cheap Greek lexicon, the
[2:44:21] Speaker 1: Thayer's Greek Lexicon's a good choice. If you want to
[2:44:24] Speaker 1: pay money for lexicons, and I mean big money, you
[2:44:27] Speaker 1: need to save up like six or seven hundred bucks
[2:44:29] Speaker 1: and you get a copy of the Hallett the Hebrew
[2:44:31] Speaker 1: Ara Make Lexicon of the Old Testament, and then also
[2:44:35] Speaker 1: get the b DAG Greek Lexicon. And when I purchased them,
[2:44:41] Speaker 1: I think I paid around three hundred bucks for each
[2:44:43] Speaker 1: of them.
[2:44:45] Speaker 3: Wait when you said the did you mean the retam
[2:44:51] Speaker 3: as in the the orc ox. Yeah, that was a
[2:44:56] Speaker 3: real animal that went extinct. Oh really yeah, and orc
[2:45:01] Speaker 3: ox there's like actual here. I'll find pictures of it
[2:45:04] Speaker 3: for you. But keep going, h.
[2:45:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, let me know about this additional or or a lore.
[2:45:10] Speaker 1: I mean, let me grab the b Dag. So this
[2:45:15] Speaker 1: is a lexicon that not a lot of people know about.
[2:45:18] Speaker 1: You can find the Hallett lexicon easy. A lot of
[2:45:22] Speaker 1: people don't know about the b Dag lexicon. So let
[2:45:24] Speaker 1: me throw that up real quick. So here's a copy
[2:45:32] Speaker 1: of the b Dag. And the reason why we call
[2:45:34] Speaker 1: it the b Dag is because it's named after the
[2:45:36] Speaker 1: authors and there's a bunch of them and their names
[2:45:39] Speaker 1: are long. Oh yeah, you got a picture of it.
[2:45:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, So this is the orc. It's an extinct species
[2:45:46] Speaker 3: of oc. And most Biblical scholars think that when the
[2:45:48] Speaker 3: Bible mentions the ret m, which it sometimes translates as
[2:45:54] Speaker 3: a big different things in the Hebrew Bible, it's referring
[2:45:56] Speaker 3: to this extinct species of ox, very large horns.
[2:46:01] Speaker 1: I'll show you the text in the Talmid. They changed
[2:46:04] Speaker 1: the name a little bit. In the Talmid, they've got
[2:46:06] Speaker 1: it spelled as raym.
[2:46:07] Speaker 3: Up Ooh okay, yeah, you'll have to cite that for
[2:46:12] Speaker 3: me so I can see it.
[2:46:14] Speaker 1: So this is the Greek English Lexicon of the New
[2:46:17] Speaker 1: Testament and other Early Christian literature. Third Edition. It's currently
[2:46:23] Speaker 1: on Amazon for one hundred and seventy five, so the
[2:46:25] Speaker 1: price has come down to be fair. I bought mine
[2:46:29] Speaker 1: back in twenty twenty eleven, so it's been a while.
[2:46:33] Speaker 1: Price obviously came down, but they they do update it.
[2:46:36] Speaker 1: It's possible that there's a newer edition out. The third
[2:46:39] Speaker 1: might not be the latest, and the newer edition might
[2:46:41] Speaker 1: be more expensive. But that's what you want. If you
[2:46:44] Speaker 1: want a really really good Greek lexicon, like a really
[2:46:47] Speaker 1: good one, that's the guy. If you're in seminary or
[2:46:50] Speaker 1: Bible college, they want you to own that lexicon if
[2:46:53] Speaker 1: you have access to it. Not everyone can get access
[2:46:56] Speaker 1: to it. I was lucky. I worked, I had my
[2:46:59] Speaker 1: own engineer in company when I was in college and seminary.
[2:47:02] Speaker 1: I just did it, you know. Anyways, let me grab
[2:47:06] Speaker 1: a couple more super chutch friends and then we'll get
[2:47:08] Speaker 1: our next guest. And here Jennifer says, men are gin
[2:47:12] Speaker 1: because ish and gin are made of smokeless fire.
[2:47:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's so important.
[2:47:27] Speaker 1: Yes, what this goes back with Dalton said, the consonants
[2:47:30] Speaker 1: for for for man and for fire are the same.
[2:47:33] Speaker 1: You need you need some sort of pronunciation to differentiate
[2:47:37] Speaker 1: the two of them. But you're right in the In
[2:47:39] Speaker 1: the Qur'an, it says that the gin are made from
[2:47:42] Speaker 1: smokeless fire and that the angels are made from light,
[2:47:46] Speaker 1: which I assumed they stole from Jewish literature if I
[2:47:50] Speaker 1: had to guess, because they stole all their concepts from
[2:47:52] Speaker 1: Jewish literature.
[2:47:54] Speaker 3: Or it's just from some sort of Arab myth that
[2:47:58] Speaker 3: you know, just got caught onto the religion. And sure
[2:48:01] Speaker 3: you know that the Israeli newspapers don't have any vale points.
[2:48:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, agree with that. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough. You
[2:48:10] Speaker 1: just have to make it a force of habit to
[2:48:13] Speaker 1: know how to pronounce it. Brendan says, donating to request
[2:48:18] Speaker 1: communal pop rocks for Doug, this is a great idea.
[2:48:21] Speaker 1: I don't know why I didn't think of this. I'm
[2:48:23] Speaker 1: a little shamed I haven't.
[2:48:24] Speaker 12: So.
[2:48:25] Speaker 1: I love hearing you cook glad I could finally chip
[2:48:27] Speaker 1: in something tangible. Well, thank you, Brendan. I really appreciate it,
[2:48:30] Speaker 1: and Doug appreciates it, and I love, and I mean
[2:48:34] Speaker 1: love the idea of pop rocks for Doug. We got
[2:48:37] Speaker 1: to make that a reality.
[2:48:38] Speaker 4: Friends.
[2:48:39] Speaker 1: All right, I'm almost through with our latest super chats,
[2:48:41] Speaker 1: bean Dog, thank you for the super chat. My friend
[2:48:43] Speaker 1: Big w says, the swing and Chain incense is fucking
[2:48:46] Speaker 1: killing me. Missionary in France was my first exposure to
[2:48:50] Speaker 1: that one. On Easter I was a missionary to French Catholics.
[2:48:56] Speaker 1: The spiritual ego trip was wild Rock Harford. This is
[2:48:59] Speaker 1: the funny part, Dogs, is Protestants will think that they
[2:49:03] Speaker 1: need to witness to to other non Protestant Christians because
[2:49:07] Speaker 1: they're not real Christians. God didn't save them because they
[2:49:10] Speaker 1: believed the wrong thing or they had the wrong theology.
[2:49:13] Speaker 1: What a crazy religion to be a part of, where
[2:49:15] Speaker 1: like half of your religion thinks that the other half
[2:49:18] Speaker 1: isn't really saved. Liam Moore, thank you for the ten
[2:49:21] Speaker 1: hour supertest, says Hey, Justin, I'm not able to be
[2:49:23] Speaker 1: there tonight to hash it out with you, but I
[2:49:26] Speaker 1: wanted to ask one clarify one clarification question, do you
[2:49:30] Speaker 1: go with an A theory of time or a B
[2:49:33] Speaker 1: theory of time? And Liam I don't know, so I
[2:49:35] Speaker 1: know doctor Blitz and Ian have more firm ideas on
[2:49:41] Speaker 1: how they think of time. I don't know if I'm
[2:49:44] Speaker 1: a theory or B theory yet. It's not something I've
[2:49:46] Speaker 1: spent my time worrying about pun intended. But eventually I'll
[2:49:50] Speaker 1: get around to that. M r G, thank you for
[2:49:53] Speaker 1: the twenty dollars supertest says for dealing with the insufferable
[2:49:56] Speaker 1: pompous morons, well, thank you, m RG. And trust me,
[2:49:59] Speaker 1: we've had some wild ones tonight. I don't know if
[2:50:02] Speaker 1: there's something in the water, maybe some pre rapture hallucinations
[2:50:06] Speaker 1: going on. Hi, Lily, thank you so much for the
[2:50:09] Speaker 1: twenty dollars super thanks. I super appreciate that. And Randy,
[2:50:15] Speaker 1: thank you for sending out ten Deconstruction Zone gifted memberships.
[2:50:19] Speaker 1: That is a huge W. My friend and Carissa with
[2:50:22] Speaker 1: five more. Big W Terrissa and no Co with five
[2:50:27] Speaker 1: more as well, big big big W. Hey, those are
[2:50:30] Speaker 1: all people that have the cheat sheet now and we
[2:50:32] Speaker 1: can presume are safe from the rapture. On the sixth, apparently.
[2:50:36] Speaker 1: And last Superchat for now, Andrew Moore, thank you so
[2:50:38] Speaker 1: much for the ten dollars. Super chat says the gall
[2:50:41] Speaker 1: to come on someone else's live and act like this
[2:50:44] Speaker 1: unbelievable and the education call out was beautiful. You could
[2:50:48] Speaker 1: smell his brain short circuit?
[2:50:49] Speaker 9: What a do fiss?
[2:50:50] Speaker 1: Keep cooking? Dosy. I know I'll never understand where this
[2:50:55] Speaker 1: level of undearned confidence comes from, Like did their mother
[2:50:59] Speaker 1: tell them that they were really smart? Too many times?
[2:51:01] Speaker 12: Like?
[2:51:02] Speaker 1: What's happening? What's the situation?
[2:51:05] Speaker 6: All right?
[2:51:06] Speaker 1: Let me grab our next inline?
[2:51:11] Speaker 2: Oh, hi dog?
[2:51:12] Speaker 19: You know this is hi dog, So listen. I don't
[2:51:16] Speaker 19: know why I'm feeling so melancholy tonight and I'm listening
[2:51:21] Speaker 19: to conversation and you're very funny and you're so bright.
[2:51:26] Speaker 19: But I appreciate that, Yes, answer me this question.
[2:51:30] Speaker 1: Why is it forty two?
[2:51:34] Speaker 3: Sorry that I feel.
[2:51:38] Speaker 19: Sad sometimes that there's no God. I've been deconstructing since
[2:51:41] Speaker 19: the beginning of this year, and so what he said,
[2:51:45] Speaker 19: oh boy, and there's evidence that you're right. I am
[2:51:50] Speaker 19: right because I read the Bible and all the good stuff,
[2:51:53] Speaker 19: and it seems like like bad people are going to
[2:51:57] Speaker 19: get away with really bad things. Why am I so
[2:52:03] Speaker 19: heartbroken that there is no God?
[2:52:07] Speaker 1: Well, I think for you, it probably depends on what
[2:52:10] Speaker 1: God represents for you. So one of the things that
[2:52:12] Speaker 1: was heartbroke, heartbreaking for me when I came to atheism
[2:52:16] Speaker 1: was the idea that I wasn't going to see my
[2:52:18] Speaker 1: loved ones anymore. I'm never going to be reunite with
[2:52:21] Speaker 1: my father, I'm never going to see my siblings again.
[2:52:24] Speaker 1: And I wasn't I'm not going to get to live forever.
[2:52:26] Speaker 1: And that's like, when you're new to that idea, it's
[2:52:30] Speaker 1: very depressing because when you're raised thinking I'm going to
[2:52:33] Speaker 1: see Hey, my family's not gone. I'll see them again.
[2:52:36] Speaker 1: I don't have to die, my time is not limited,
[2:52:38] Speaker 1: I'll get to live forever with them.
[2:52:40] Speaker 5: Right.
[2:52:41] Speaker 1: That's a really depressing thing to go from that worldview
[2:52:44] Speaker 1: to the atheistic worldview. Now, the reality is that was
[2:52:48] Speaker 1: a long time ago for me, and you get over it.
[2:52:51] Speaker 1: It's just like you go through your stages of grief
[2:52:54] Speaker 1: and then eventually you move on.
[2:52:56] Speaker 19: Yes, most days I've gotten over it. And I watched
[2:53:00] Speaker 19: there's a documentary on Netflix I just watched. I watched
[2:53:02] Speaker 19: it like maybe three times, Cosmos about the James Webb
[2:53:05] Speaker 19: Telescope and the adventures and the Hubble and the trials
[2:53:09] Speaker 19: and tricreations and the very smart people who put it together.
[2:53:12] Speaker 19: And I'm like, yeah, you know there's evidence, and people
[2:53:14] Speaker 19: like you who went to seminary and studied extra biblic
[2:53:18] Speaker 19: cloud works and all that stuff.
[2:53:20] Speaker 12: I'm just like, man, what a shame.
[2:53:26] Speaker 1: I couldn't studied something useful. But listen, the way I
[2:53:29] Speaker 1: think about it, is all that money and time spent
[2:53:32] Speaker 1: in Bible college and seminary I can use now to
[2:53:36] Speaker 1: like move people out of this toxic religion.
[2:53:39] Speaker 4: Yeah it is.
[2:53:40] Speaker 5: It is toxic. I know it is.
[2:53:42] Speaker 19: And it's maybe because I worked at twelve hour ship.
[2:53:46] Speaker 19: I'm a nurse, so I just came home half an
[2:53:48] Speaker 19: hour ago.
[2:53:50] Speaker 1: Maybe that's a hard job. You're tougher than I am.
[2:53:54] Speaker 3: I just skipped ahead of the line.
[2:53:59] Speaker 1: Yeah that's life, Jenny. You're really doing the hard works.
[2:54:04] Speaker 19: So yeah, so yeah, but I'm going to.
[2:54:09] Speaker 1: Be back to Sometimes it helps just to talk to
[2:54:13] Speaker 1: somebody too, you know, sometimes and sometimes when you're upset,
[2:54:17] Speaker 1: it just helps to devent. And you're allowed to do that.
[2:54:22] Speaker 9: Yees.
[2:54:23] Speaker 5: Don't you ever miss the concept of God?
[2:54:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, I missed the idea, like the idea that there's
[2:54:31] Speaker 1: something more powerful than you that's looking out for you,
[2:54:34] Speaker 1: that has your best interest in mind. But once I
[2:54:37] Speaker 1: realized that this is just me wishing that I had
[2:54:40] Speaker 1: a parent that was still alive, that there's really all
[2:54:43] Speaker 1: that is. We're so programmed through evolution to be bonded
[2:54:47] Speaker 1: with a parent that it just never for most people,
[2:54:49] Speaker 1: it never goes away.
[2:54:51] Speaker 5: Yeah, you're right anyway, thank you time.
[2:54:57] Speaker 1: Well, best wishes, Jenny.
[2:55:00] Speaker 10: I'll just sleepy.
[2:55:03] Speaker 1: Joined the discord if you don't. If you're not in
[2:55:05] Speaker 1: the discord, joined the discord. There's a bunch of people
[2:55:07] Speaker 1: in there going through the process.
[2:55:10] Speaker 5: I mine.
[2:55:11] Speaker 1: Okay, thank you, Doc sures friend. Well, w Jenny looks
[2:55:17] Speaker 1: like she's doing the deconstruction work. She's she's doing her best.
[2:55:22] Speaker 1: We're gonna grab Zepp from the queue. Meg, thank you
[2:55:27] Speaker 1: for the super chat. By the way, I just saw this,
[2:55:29] Speaker 1: it says I didn't imbibe enough Margarita for some of
[2:55:32] Speaker 1: these people. I'm with you, I I have any cracking tonight. Uh,
[2:55:35] Speaker 1: some of these people would have been much tolerable with
[2:55:38] Speaker 1: some cracking op they dropped. Okay, Well, logical says I
[2:55:42] Speaker 1: can explain it to you a million times, but I
[2:55:44] Speaker 1: cannot understand it for you. Oh, such a good quote.
[2:55:47] Speaker 1: I haven't used that before, but I need to remember
[2:55:50] Speaker 1: it and lock it in. That's a good one. All right,
[2:55:54] Speaker 1: let's get Kurgo in here next. Somebody will connect.
[2:56:00] Speaker 20: Hi.
[2:56:00] Speaker 1: You doing.
[2:56:02] Speaker 4: Good?
[2:56:04] Speaker 16: Just a friendly Gonna say one real quick thing about
[2:56:07] Speaker 16: the The m is the word that is translated as unicorn.
[2:56:12] Speaker 4: Throughout the bio.
[2:56:13] Speaker 10: I'm pretty sure every time you'd see.
[2:56:14] Speaker 16: Unicorn, that is the Hebrew word ram and it every
[2:56:19] Speaker 16: like half the time it'll talk about its horns plural.
[2:56:23] Speaker 16: So this was he was saying, it's either an auric
[2:56:27] Speaker 16: or an or rix, which sounds the same, but it's
[2:56:30] Speaker 16: differently O R y X still alive. It's like an
[2:56:34] Speaker 16: analoge looking thing still lives in Israel and all those.
[2:56:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, it was the translators of the septuagen who just
[2:56:41] Speaker 3: mistakenly thought them referred to a single Horde creature. Yeah,
[2:56:45] Speaker 3: and thus they translated mono something whatever the word for
[2:56:48] Speaker 3: corn is.
[2:56:52] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[2:56:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good callback here, all right, Church read.
[2:57:00] Speaker 5: Thank you so much.
[2:57:01] Speaker 3: Yes, I found the story you talked about about about
[2:57:08] Speaker 3: the arc and the m Yeah, but it seems like
[2:57:14] Speaker 3: it's not in the text. It's like the the commentary
[2:57:17] Speaker 3: part of the text, it's not actually in the actual.
[2:57:20] Speaker 1: My understanding is that in this translation, in the William
[2:57:23] Speaker 1: Davidson Talmud translation.
[2:57:25] Speaker 3: The ill that stuff is the Hebrew.
[2:57:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, the bold is the Hebrew. But this is in italics,
[2:57:31] Speaker 1: and I don't know what italics means.
[2:57:33] Speaker 2: For the rama.
[2:57:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, so I haven't gone through the I have to
[2:57:40] Speaker 1: go to the beginning of the book and oh, here
[2:57:42] Speaker 1: it is, right here, the rama.
[2:57:45] Speaker 3: Oh what which which paragraph is that?
[2:57:49] Speaker 1: It's gonna be in paragraph seven?
[2:57:53] Speaker 3: Fantastic. I'll just I'm gonna be looking into this much
[2:57:56] Speaker 3: later for sure.
[2:57:57] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:57:58] Speaker 1: It's a fun little piece of like a flood flood lore,
[2:58:02] Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's a good one. All Right,
[2:58:06] Speaker 1: we're gonna get Captain Crunch into the conversation.
[2:58:13] Speaker 6: How can you hear me?
[2:58:17] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[2:58:17] Speaker 1: I can hear you.
[2:58:18] Speaker 7: Can you hear me?
[2:58:19] Speaker 6: Yeah? I can hear you.
[2:58:21] Speaker 2: Cool.
[2:58:21] Speaker 6: Hey, I'm kind of new to the channel, just kind
[2:58:23] Speaker 6: of figuring out what you guys do.
[2:58:28] Speaker 1: Well, we we debate people that believe in God. Do
[2:58:30] Speaker 1: you believe in God?
[2:58:32] Speaker 6: I do believe in God? Yeah, which one. I'm not
[2:58:36] Speaker 6: great debating. To be honest, I didn't go to seminary.
[2:58:40] Speaker 6: I read You're obviously you did.
[2:58:43] Speaker 3: I didn't. You're in You're fine, dude.
[2:58:47] Speaker 6: Okay, cool? Only one out of three? Yeah, so the
[2:58:52] Speaker 6: on the screen it says, God is imaginary, proved me wrong?
[2:58:56] Speaker 6: And I've heard you ask other people what are your.
[2:59:00] Speaker 5: Like?
[2:59:00] Speaker 6: What's your main point for God?
[2:59:03] Speaker 12: Is that?
[2:59:04] Speaker 6: Is that how this normally starts? I don't know how
[2:59:06] Speaker 6: to start the conversation.
[2:59:07] Speaker 1: Typically I ask people to present their their best evidence
[2:59:11] Speaker 1: or their best argument for the whichever god they believe in. Now, obviously,
[2:59:15] Speaker 1: after you get through the first one, you can do more,
[2:59:18] Speaker 1: but typically people never get through the first one.
[2:59:21] Speaker 6: Yeah, sure, I mean, does it is it fair to
[2:59:24] Speaker 6: break them up like that? Like you only get one
[2:59:26] Speaker 6: and if that one isn't rock solid, then you don't
[2:59:29] Speaker 6: get another point? Or are they somewhat not.
[2:59:33] Speaker 1: Saying that you can bring multiple arguments, we just can
[2:59:35] Speaker 1: only do one at a time, Like we can't discuss
[2:59:37] Speaker 1: three arguments at once.
[2:59:39] Speaker 6: Yeah, no, I agree, I don't want to try to
[2:59:42] Speaker 6: do I can't even do one at a time, I know, right,
[2:59:44] Speaker 6: but that's enough? Yeah, for sure? For sure, so one
[2:59:50] Speaker 6: that makes a lot of sense to me. I'd be
[2:59:53] Speaker 6: interested in your thoughts. There is Chuck Coulson's point about
[2:59:56] Speaker 6: Watergate and how all the you know, the people that
[3:00:01] Speaker 6: inspired for Watergate and gave that up within two weeks,
[3:00:04] Speaker 6: and they they no longer you know, held to their lie. Yeah,
[3:00:13] Speaker 6: the apostles that they were, it was very unlikely that
[3:00:17] Speaker 6: they were lying. Now, could they be mistaken?
[3:00:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, we don't even know what they said. They didn't
[3:00:23] Speaker 1: write us anything.
[3:00:24] Speaker 6: Yeah, they didn't write us anything.
[3:00:28] Speaker 1: I mean, the closest you can point to is maybe Peter.
[3:00:32] Speaker 3: Okay, could it possibly be Captain? Could it possibly because.
[3:00:39] Speaker 6: I'm sorry I was talking, I didn't hear you can't
[3:00:40] Speaker 6: say that again.
[3:00:42] Speaker 3: What if it was simply a matter that after Jesus's
[3:00:45] Speaker 3: death a few of his followers had bereavement hallucinations where
[3:00:49] Speaker 3: they saw where they hallucinated Jesus, they wouldn't have to lie.
[3:00:52] Speaker 3: They would just honestly believe that they had seen Jesus
[3:00:56] Speaker 3: after he had died, so they would be sincere they
[3:00:59] Speaker 3: would just be sincerely mistaken.
[3:01:04] Speaker 6: Yeah, for sure.
[3:01:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, to be clear, we don't believe that the disciples
[3:01:09] Speaker 1: made it up. I personally don't even know what the
[3:01:11] Speaker 1: disciples believe, being that they didn't leave us any writings,
[3:01:14] Speaker 1: we have no way of knowing what they believed. But like,
[3:01:18] Speaker 1: it seems like this resurrection happened about like all other
[3:01:23] Speaker 1: resurrections around that time period, where somebody claimed to have
[3:01:26] Speaker 1: resurrected and then people claimed that there was an appearance.
[3:01:30] Speaker 1: My favorite example is typically either Nero or Aristeus. Both
[3:01:35] Speaker 1: of them were pretty famously resurrected, Aristius before Nero came later,
[3:01:42] Speaker 1: and people claim to witness them. A whole multitude of
[3:01:46] Speaker 1: people claim to witness them, so much so that the
[3:01:49] Speaker 1: Roman historians wrote about.
[3:01:50] Speaker 6: It, okay, and people like then gave their life to
[3:01:58] Speaker 6: it or what was the difference with Jesus.
[3:02:00] Speaker 1: Actually, Yeah, for Aristius and for Nero, people are willing
[3:02:04] Speaker 1: to give their life. Aristius started its own cult. They
[3:02:06] Speaker 1: put a statue of Aristius up next to the statue
[3:02:09] Speaker 1: of Apollo. And then in the resurrection of Nero, he
[3:02:13] Speaker 1: actually convinced the Parthian military leader to make war against Rome.
[3:02:19] Speaker 1: Now it's unclear if the rebellion that he started ever
[3:02:22] Speaker 1: got carried through or if it fell through, but the
[3:02:26] Speaker 1: military and under the leadership of the military general had
[3:02:30] Speaker 1: for sure made preparations to have some sort of rebellion
[3:02:34] Speaker 1: against Rome, thinking that Nero is resurrectioned from the dead
[3:02:38] Speaker 1: and he's going to fix everything for us.
[3:02:41] Speaker 6: Gotcha. Well, I'm honest, I'm completely unaware of all that.
[3:02:46] Speaker 6: So the contention would basically be that Chuck Coulson's point
[3:02:52] Speaker 6: doesn't really matter.
[3:02:54] Speaker 1: Not really.
[3:02:56] Speaker 6: Okay, can you explain more about Oh, go ahead.
[3:03:01] Speaker 3: I let's say it. We don't have any good reason
[3:03:04] Speaker 3: to think that Jesus did resurrecting the dead, but we
[3:03:06] Speaker 3: also don't have any good reasons to think the disciples
[3:03:08] Speaker 3: were lying. They really thought they saw Jesus after he died.
[3:03:13] Speaker 3: They were just but as far as we can tell,
[3:03:15] Speaker 3: they may have just been hallucinating. Paul himself says that
[3:03:18] Speaker 3: his experience of Jesus was a visionary experience.
[3:03:24] Speaker 6: Yeah, Paul's was definitely different than the others. I'm having
[3:03:28] Speaker 6: trouble following. I'm not sure you guys are on the
[3:03:31] Speaker 6: same track. So justin you said that we don't have
[3:03:34] Speaker 6: the testimony from any of the apostles.
[3:03:39] Speaker 1: Yeah, what I'm saying is like if the apostles wrote
[3:03:42] Speaker 1: a bunch of stuff for us, and then we had
[3:03:45] Speaker 1: extra biblical evidence showing how they died, then I'd be like, oh,
[3:03:49] Speaker 1: these guys really believed it and they became martyrs. But
[3:03:53] Speaker 1: we don't have those writings on either side, so we
[3:03:56] Speaker 1: don't really know what they did. We have text that
[3:04:00] Speaker 1: came way later making claims about what happened. But I'm
[3:04:04] Speaker 1: also not sure that martyredom matters because like famously, Joseph
[3:04:07] Speaker 1: Smith and his brother Hiram were martyred. And obviously we
[3:04:10] Speaker 1: know that Joseph Smith entirely fabricated Mormonism from his educational background.
[3:04:19] Speaker 6: Mm hmm, yeah. I mean that that's kind of when
[3:04:22] Speaker 6: you get to a single guy, then you lean heavily
[3:04:25] Speaker 6: on mental illness or whatever. I'm not sure how many
[3:04:30] Speaker 6: of the the apostles were martyred, right, I know it's
[3:04:35] Speaker 6: probably been exaggerated how many it is, And like you said,
[3:04:38] Speaker 6: we don't have a great I think how many James, well.
[3:04:43] Speaker 1: James, the son of Zebedee gets murdered in the actual
[3:04:46] Speaker 1: Book of Acts, so we know that he, according to Ax,
[3:04:49] Speaker 1: he got you know, he got taken out.
[3:04:51] Speaker 6: Uh, Steven said, believe the Book of Acts.
[3:04:55] Speaker 1: I mean, I don't believe the Book of act I
[3:04:58] Speaker 1: don't think it's a good historical document personally, we're talking
[3:05:01] Speaker 1: about historicity. I would believe the Letters of Paul over
[3:05:05] Speaker 1: the Book of Acts. There's contradictions between Paul and the
[3:05:10] Speaker 1: Book of Acts that make me believe that who's ever
[3:05:12] Speaker 1: writing the Book of Acts wasn't really there.
[3:05:16] Speaker 3: I would say that personally me, I think that first Clement.
[3:05:21] Speaker 3: This is just my opinion. It was written around the
[3:05:24] Speaker 3: sixties of the first century versus Clement, and it does
[3:05:28] Speaker 3: attest to the death of Peter and Paul, but it
[3:05:31] Speaker 3: doesn't say anything about their deaths, like how they happened
[3:05:33] Speaker 3: or anything like that, just that they were martyred. So
[3:05:36] Speaker 3: we don't really have any like all the martyrdom stories
[3:05:38] Speaker 3: that's like hundreds of years later traditions from the church.
[3:05:45] Speaker 6: Yeah, so then what would you say about Peter that
[3:05:49] Speaker 6: he falls into the same category as Joseph Smith.
[3:05:53] Speaker 3: Yeah he had hallucination. Yeah, he had hallucination where he
[3:05:57] Speaker 3: saw his dead rabbi genuinely that he had been resurrected
[3:06:01] Speaker 3: from the dead and he was willing to die as
[3:06:04] Speaker 3: a result.
[3:06:05] Speaker 1: Or either he had had hallucination or there was impostor
[3:06:09] Speaker 1: and we have good evidence that there were impostors of
[3:06:14] Speaker 1: dead people at that time. There were six of them
[3:06:15] Speaker 1: of the resurrected Nero, there was an apostor of Zelmoxis.
[3:06:20] Speaker 1: He was a disciple of Pythagoras. And then we know
[3:06:25] Speaker 1: even in the Book of Mark, if you go to Mark,
[3:06:27] Speaker 1: chapter thirteen. I believe it's in the other gospels too,
[3:06:32] Speaker 1: but I like the one in Mark's concise. Jesus just
[3:06:36] Speaker 1: outright tells you that there is verse six, many will
[3:06:39] Speaker 1: come in my name and say that I am he,
[3:06:42] Speaker 1: and that will lead many astray. Like, there's no good
[3:06:44] Speaker 1: reason to include that in the Book of Mark unless
[3:06:46] Speaker 1: people need to be warned that, hey, there's people pretending
[3:06:50] Speaker 1: to be the resurrected Jesus. Don't be fooled by him.
[3:06:56] Speaker 6: When you think that he was talking about at that
[3:07:00] Speaker 6: time or over the next two thousand years, or I
[3:07:06] Speaker 6: missed your point.
[3:07:06] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Well, I think Jesus is talking about at
[3:07:09] Speaker 1: that time, because Jesus famously in Matthew ten, Matthew sixteen,
[3:07:13] Speaker 1: and Matthew twenty four said that he was coming back
[3:07:15] Speaker 1: within a generation, like Jesus expected his second coming to
[3:07:19] Speaker 1: be any day, which is why in Paul's letters you
[3:07:22] Speaker 1: find that Paul keeps saying that the end is nigh.
[3:07:25] Speaker 1: In fact, the Book of Hebrews says it as well.
[3:07:27] Speaker 1: It says that it's coming very soon. Revelation twenty two
[3:07:30] Speaker 1: says that he's coming back very soon. Everything in the
[3:07:33] Speaker 1: New Jestament would lead one to believe that Jesus and
[3:07:37] Speaker 1: his followers thought he was coming back any day now
[3:07:40] Speaker 1: before all of the disciples.
[3:07:42] Speaker 6: Die, yeah, and until they saw the bigger picture. I mean,
[3:07:50] Speaker 6: wouldn't you have said that when Jesus said, Hey, I'm
[3:07:53] Speaker 6: going to destroy this temple and in three days raise it,
[3:07:56] Speaker 6: they didn't understand what he was saying there as well.
[3:07:59] Speaker 1: Well, I'm not convinced he actually said it, Yeah, I
[3:08:02] Speaker 1: mean if he did, we wouldn't have anyone to know.
[3:08:06] Speaker 1: Part of the problem. The problem we have with the
[3:08:09] Speaker 1: Gospels is that they were written so much after Jesus
[3:08:12] Speaker 1: that we're relying on typically memory. And so for example,
[3:08:18] Speaker 1: if someone told me a story of something that happened
[3:08:22] Speaker 1: one hundred years ago, I could believe you that the
[3:08:25] Speaker 1: general parameters of that story is true. Like if you
[3:08:28] Speaker 1: said there was a guy he was a leader of
[3:08:31] Speaker 1: a military and he crossed this river and then he
[3:08:33] Speaker 1: beat the British over here. I'm like, yeah, that's believable.
[3:08:36] Speaker 1: It probably was such a thing, right, But if then
[3:08:39] Speaker 1: you say, and then also a guy that lived one
[3:08:41] Speaker 1: hundred years later documented his speech, Like whoa hold on? Now,
[3:08:47] Speaker 1: I know a lot about oral traditions, and I know
[3:08:49] Speaker 1: one thing. No one's going to remember his speech ten
[3:08:52] Speaker 1: fifteen or even twenty years later, like the idea that
[3:08:55] Speaker 1: the sermon on the Mount happened, and like we have
[3:08:57] Speaker 1: these private prayers of Jesus and John seventeen, and we
[3:09:00] Speaker 1: have private conversations with him in Pilate, Like we have
[3:09:04] Speaker 1: all these private conversations of Jesus and all these speeches
[3:09:07] Speaker 1: of Jesus that are recorded way decades after he died.
[3:09:11] Speaker 1: I'm not inclined to believe that he said most of
[3:09:13] Speaker 1: the things that are attributed to him. And we see
[3:09:16] Speaker 1: the same thing in today's age. How many times have
[3:09:18] Speaker 1: you heard someone attribute as saying to Einstein that Einstein.
[3:09:22] Speaker 6: Never said, Yeah, I don't know. Probably a lot. I
[3:09:28] Speaker 6: would trust you that it's a lot. However, the difference
[3:09:32] Speaker 6: being with the Bible is it claims to be the
[3:09:34] Speaker 6: inspired word of God, and that the Holy Spirit would have.
[3:09:39] Speaker 4: Okay.
[3:09:40] Speaker 3: Well, Two Timothy three sixteen says that all scripture is
[3:09:44] Speaker 3: the up nustos, and as to what exactly that means
[3:09:48] Speaker 3: is debated. But even then, like when the author of
[3:09:51] Speaker 3: Second Timothy says all scripture or every scripture which is
[3:09:54] Speaker 3: the up nustos is profitable for, it doesn't give you
[3:09:57] Speaker 3: a list of what is considered scripture. Like did the
[3:10:00] Speaker 3: author think that the Gospels for scripture or was he
[3:10:02] Speaker 3: just saying about the Hebrew Bible, Like that's a people
[3:10:08] Speaker 3: make a what's the word? What's the saying? A whole
[3:10:12] Speaker 3: molehill out of mountain? Thank you, thank you, the mountain
[3:10:20] Speaker 3: of a mole hill from that one verse from Paul Right.
[3:10:24] Speaker 6: Yeah, But I mean, if if there was a singular
[3:10:27] Speaker 6: God that wrote the whole Bible, then he would have
[3:10:31] Speaker 6: the perspective to be able to say that because he
[3:10:33] Speaker 6: knew that it would all be canonized together.
[3:10:36] Speaker 1: Well, that could be true, but it's also true that
[3:10:39] Speaker 1: he wouldn't contradict himself, And he contradicts himself all over
[3:10:42] Speaker 1: the place, which would lead me to believe that he's
[3:10:44] Speaker 1: not verbally inspiring the authors.
[3:10:48] Speaker 6: Yeah, I've listened to you a couple of times go
[3:10:51] Speaker 6: down in a few of those rabbit holes. Yeah, but
[3:10:55] Speaker 6: I'm not good as well as you on that for sure.
[3:10:58] Speaker 1: Yeah that's fine. But think about even like there's a
[3:11:02] Speaker 1: disagreement between Paul and the apostles. So it says in
[3:11:07] Speaker 1: Galatians that he met with the disciples in Jerusalem and
[3:11:10] Speaker 1: that they didn't make any demands of them. But if
[3:11:12] Speaker 1: you go to that meeting in Acts chapter fifteen, they did.
[3:11:15] Speaker 1: They issued at least four different demands that he needed
[3:11:18] Speaker 1: to give to the gentile Church. And so like Paul
[3:11:22] Speaker 1: and Acts, when you try to align them, there's so
[3:11:25] Speaker 1: many disagreements. I'm like, if I have to pick one
[3:11:28] Speaker 1: of them as trustworthy, I'm more than likely going to
[3:11:30] Speaker 1: pick the letters of Paul, because they are occasional letters.
[3:11:33] Speaker 1: They're not written, they don't appear to be written as
[3:11:36] Speaker 1: a narrative. They appeared to actually be legitimate letters, some
[3:11:40] Speaker 1: of them, not all of them. And so when I
[3:11:42] Speaker 1: look at the Gospels, I'm looking at the gospel that
[3:11:44] Speaker 1: said this looks like mythology to me, right, okay, Like
[3:11:52] Speaker 1: it reads like Roman mythology, Like even like Roman history
[3:11:56] Speaker 1: includes mythology quite often, So for example, if you read
[3:11:58] Speaker 1: Life of the Twelve Caesars, you'll find mythical claims in
[3:12:04] Speaker 1: that text. It's a historical text, but Suetonius includes all
[3:12:08] Speaker 1: kinds of mythological stuff in the text because for them
[3:12:12] Speaker 1: it wasn't mythology. For them, that was reality. And we
[3:12:15] Speaker 1: find the same thing in the Gospels. They're telling a
[3:12:18] Speaker 1: historical narrative and it includes all this mythology that like
[3:12:23] Speaker 1: most normal people would be like, oh, yeah, well, if
[3:12:26] Speaker 1: we read it in the Koran, we'd call it mythology.
[3:12:28] Speaker 1: If we read it in the Romans, we'd call it mythology.
[3:12:30] Speaker 1: But when we read it in the Bible, we're like, no,
[3:12:31] Speaker 1: it's history. The reality is like, I'm treating the mythology
[3:12:35] Speaker 1: of the Gospels the same way as the mythology of
[3:12:37] Speaker 1: everybody else.
[3:12:39] Speaker 6: M And just maybe this isn't something you want to
[3:12:44] Speaker 6: talk about here. That was not your previous position. You
[3:12:47] Speaker 6: used to believe it as truth. Yeah, yeah, both of you.
[3:12:53] Speaker 1: I think one of the difficult things for me wasn't
[3:12:56] Speaker 1: just that I studied the Old Testament and it turned
[3:12:58] Speaker 1: out that Jesus could not be the Maa given what
[3:13:00] Speaker 1: the Old Testament says, But the other thing was when
[3:13:04] Speaker 1: I started reading the extra Biblical literature. I started to
[3:13:08] Speaker 1: engage in the Hittite corpus, the Babylonian corpus, the Assyrian corpus,
[3:13:12] Speaker 1: Egyptian corpus. What I've discovered is like the stuff in
[3:13:15] Speaker 1: the Bible is not even unique, like the idea that
[3:13:18] Speaker 1: you needed to give a certain number of sacrifices for
[3:13:22] Speaker 1: a festival or a particular sacrifice for a sin, and
[3:13:26] Speaker 1: like the scapegoat festival in Leviga sixteen. What we had
[3:13:30] Speaker 1: the Assyrian version of the Hittites, and the Assyrians already
[3:13:33] Speaker 1: had their own ritual where they would take an animal
[3:13:36] Speaker 1: or two animals, and they would sacrifice one and then
[3:13:40] Speaker 1: send the sins away on the other. In the Assyrian version,
[3:13:43] Speaker 1: it's only one animal. But what they do is they
[3:13:45] Speaker 1: split the animal, they put the sins on part of
[3:13:47] Speaker 1: the animal, and they sacrifice it, and then and then
[3:13:50] Speaker 1: they take the other sins and they put it on
[3:13:53] Speaker 1: like the carcass, and then they have a man dedicated
[3:13:57] Speaker 1: to carrying it out into the desert and dumping it
[3:13:59] Speaker 1: in the But the idea is the same, Like the
[3:14:02] Speaker 1: ancients just thought that sin was like a contagion, and
[3:14:06] Speaker 1: that you needed to get rid of it, and the
[3:14:07] Speaker 1: way you get rid of it is by using the
[3:14:09] Speaker 1: blood of animals. Because blood, all blood, and all wind
[3:14:12] Speaker 1: comes from God. So it's a divine purifying agent by
[3:14:16] Speaker 1: using the blood. That's why in all the Mesopotamian mythology,
[3:14:20] Speaker 1: human beings and animals are given the blood of the
[3:14:22] Speaker 1: gods and the breath of the God, like we see
[3:14:25] Speaker 1: in the Bible. And so you can use the blood
[3:14:27] Speaker 1: of the God as a tangible detergent for this sin
[3:14:32] Speaker 1: that spreads and defiles the temple, defiles the altar, and
[3:14:36] Speaker 1: then you can now you've got this dead carcass, you
[3:14:38] Speaker 1: can transmit what's left of your corporate sin onto the
[3:14:42] Speaker 1: dead animal and get.
[3:14:43] Speaker 12: Rid of it.
[3:14:43] Speaker 1: Like, these are just things that people believe. So when
[3:14:45] Speaker 1: I read it in the Bible, I'm like, yeah, it's
[3:14:48] Speaker 1: just the fuck. It's this bronze age like uh, like
[3:14:51] Speaker 1: woo woo, that's all it is. There's actually really one
[3:15:01] Speaker 1: fun one in the Hittite literature where they sacrifice a
[3:15:04] Speaker 1: human being in the same manner. It's wild.
[3:15:11] Speaker 6: And you would presume that they actually did that. Oh
[3:15:14] Speaker 6: they did, Yeah, they had it was when you say literature,
[3:15:17] Speaker 6: you don't mean just like, oh, this was like a
[3:15:19] Speaker 6: fun story.
[3:15:21] Speaker 1: No, no, it's not a fun story. These are like
[3:15:23] Speaker 1: actual instructions for the palace personnel.
[3:15:26] Speaker 6: Gotcha. Yeah, yeah, I'm way out of my league. I've
[3:15:31] Speaker 6: never read any of that stuff.
[3:15:32] Speaker 1: I probably never will, Okay. I mean I only did
[3:15:35] Speaker 1: because I went to school and I was like, okay,
[3:15:38] Speaker 1: well this is my major in school. Like, I probably
[3:15:40] Speaker 1: would have got around to reading some of it eventually,
[3:15:42] Speaker 1: But the reality is I didn't know that a lot
[3:15:45] Speaker 1: of it was there until I got into school. Since
[3:15:48] Speaker 1: I got into school, then they open up the doors. Well, look,
[3:15:51] Speaker 1: if you want to know how the Old Testament works,
[3:15:53] Speaker 1: you need another context. You wanted to know the context,
[3:15:56] Speaker 1: you've got to read the literature of the time period
[3:15:58] Speaker 1: from all the surrounding people's and so that's what we did. Yeah,
[3:16:07] Speaker 1: there's a lot going on there, Bud, There's.
[3:16:10] Speaker 6: A lot going on there.
[3:16:11] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[3:16:11] Speaker 6: I'm definitely not gonna wrap my mind around it tonight.
[3:16:15] Speaker 6: But it's okay, I see what you're saying. I honestly
[3:16:18] Speaker 6: have no idea about the where would you place the
[3:16:23] Speaker 6: like when the Gospels were written? Because you said one
[3:16:26] Speaker 6: hundred years later?
[3:16:26] Speaker 1: Was you so that's a good question. I was being
[3:16:30] Speaker 1: a little heavy handed there. I actually think Mark was
[3:16:32] Speaker 1: written just after the destruction of the Temple in seventy
[3:16:36] Speaker 1: I would put it like seventy two seventy three. I
[3:16:39] Speaker 1: think the other gospels obviously came later, being that they
[3:16:41] Speaker 1: copied from Mark, and for other reasons. The situation that
[3:16:45] Speaker 1: they're describing seems to be they're like concerned about setting
[3:16:49] Speaker 1: up like actual churches and like organizing stuff. But anyways,
[3:16:55] Speaker 1: if Mark is the earliest and he wrote about seventy
[3:16:57] Speaker 1: or so, and the others came after it, you could
[3:16:59] Speaker 1: say maybe late seventies, and then John I think came
[3:17:05] Speaker 1: way last. In fact, I think John was being edited shit,
[3:17:08] Speaker 1: probably into the nineties. I think the fact that John
[3:17:11] Speaker 1: has so much in it that already contains like ritualistic ideas,
[3:17:18] Speaker 1: like there's a ritualistic idea of baptism within the Gospel
[3:17:23] Speaker 1: of John, like the Salvation requires baptism and repentance. This
[3:17:28] Speaker 1: type of ritualization didn't really exist yet in the other gospels.
[3:17:31] Speaker 1: It was developed later once the formation of the Church
[3:17:35] Speaker 1: already happened and they already started to debate on like Okay, well,
[3:17:40] Speaker 1: according to what we know, what do you have to do?
[3:17:42] Speaker 1: What are the requirements to actually be saved? And so
[3:17:47] Speaker 1: you don't expect to find these types of hierarchies developing early.
[3:17:52] Speaker 1: They usually developed late.
[3:17:56] Speaker 5: Late.
[3:17:56] Speaker 3: Actually, in fact, it's actually really good but called dating
[3:18:00] Speaker 3: acts by Richard I. Pervo, and he actually suggests that
[3:18:04] Speaker 3: Luke may have been written as late as the early
[3:18:07] Speaker 3: second century.
[3:18:09] Speaker 9: Yeah.
[3:18:09] Speaker 1: Actually, jaredly is the same thing.
[3:18:17] Speaker 6: What would you say to people that say that the
[3:18:19] Speaker 6: first Gospels were written in the fifties.
[3:18:22] Speaker 1: Well, we don't have evidence for it. So the reality
[3:18:26] Speaker 1: is we don't have a good reason to believe that
[3:18:29] Speaker 1: they're written in the fifties. I'm familiar with the claim
[3:18:32] Speaker 1: that typically they're written in the late sixties, but that's
[3:18:36] Speaker 1: only if you think Paul wrote in the fifties and
[3:18:39] Speaker 1: then in the early sixties, and not in the late sixties.
[3:18:42] Speaker 1: Because it's clear that Paul's not aware of the Gospel writings,
[3:18:44] Speaker 1: he has no idea that they exist. He doesn't quote
[3:18:46] Speaker 1: from them, he doesn't utilize them, he doesn't make mention
[3:18:50] Speaker 1: of them. So it seems like Paul's writings probably came first,
[3:18:55] Speaker 1: and then after that maybe we've got the Gospels and
[3:18:58] Speaker 1: then some of the later books like Peter, second Peter
[3:19:01] Speaker 1: for second, third John James.
[3:19:06] Speaker 6: Yeah, if I, for example, you were to follow around
[3:19:11] Speaker 6: a really good friend friend for three years some of
[3:19:14] Speaker 6: his most formative things, and then here he was murdered
[3:19:19] Speaker 6: or killed or what or he died.
[3:19:22] Speaker 3: The question is the question is why are we saying
[3:19:25] Speaker 3: three years? Like it's that's assuming that the gospels are true, correct, Like,
[3:19:35] Speaker 3: we don't need to basically have any actual idea. Yeah,
[3:19:38] Speaker 3: I mean, we don't have any actual idea about how
[3:19:40] Speaker 3: long Peter and them actually follow Jesus or how close
[3:19:44] Speaker 3: they were to him. We don't have any of that.
[3:19:50] Speaker 6: Right, So if we're not going to take their testimony
[3:19:52] Speaker 6: as true, I mean it can't. You can't say and
[3:19:57] Speaker 6: then not even take gets claims as valid.
[3:20:02] Speaker 3: Well, the Gospels aren't their testimonies. We don't know who
[3:20:07] Speaker 3: wrote the they're anonymous. We don't know who wrote the gospels, right,
[3:20:16] Speaker 3: to be sure, to be sure, if Matthew was a
[3:20:21] Speaker 3: follower of Jesus, it doesn't make very much sense for
[3:20:24] Speaker 3: him to be copying almost word from word from the
[3:20:27] Speaker 3: Gospel of Mark. Who wasn't a follower of Jesus.
[3:20:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, he copies his own conversion story from Mark. Why
[3:20:33] Speaker 1: would you do that?
[3:20:40] Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't know. I've heard of the Q Document
[3:20:45] Speaker 6: or the you know that they both had a common
[3:20:48] Speaker 6: origin rather than one copying off each other.
[3:20:53] Speaker 1: Well, the the Q document is just another document that
[3:20:55] Speaker 1: they copied from. Specifically, the common mature between Luke and
[3:21:01] Speaker 1: Matthew is considered to come from the Q Document.
[3:21:05] Speaker 6: Okay, So the other part, Okahea, Well.
[3:21:11] Speaker 1: I say, there's common material between Luke and Matthew that
[3:21:15] Speaker 1: comes from Mark. We can see it's copied from Mark.
[3:21:18] Speaker 1: But there's common material between Luke and Matthew that doesn't
[3:21:21] Speaker 1: come from Mark. And so they're positing that that common
[3:21:25] Speaker 1: material came from another document that we no longer have.
[3:21:29] Speaker 6: Okay, all right, a little bit of a tangent from
[3:21:34] Speaker 6: where my question was going though.
[3:21:35] Speaker 1: So, yeah, but you've been nice. So I mean when
[3:21:38] Speaker 1: people come up here and they're nice, I kind of
[3:21:40] Speaker 1: let them do the tangents, all right.
[3:21:43] Speaker 6: No, No, I'm trying to get back on what I
[3:21:46] Speaker 6: was getting at. So, as we went off on, maybe
[3:21:50] Speaker 6: this is longer, you know, maybe it's seven years later.
[3:21:54] Speaker 6: But let's say, for example, you had a very significant
[3:21:58] Speaker 6: event in your life your best friend died that, for example,
[3:22:04] Speaker 6: would you not remember that very clearly year later, decades later.
[3:22:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, but you wouldn't remember the speech, like the words
[3:22:13] Speaker 1: that he told you at random times in your life. Like,
[3:22:16] Speaker 1: for example, I've I've got a lot of memories of
[3:22:19] Speaker 1: my dad, but the reality is, like the things I
[3:22:25] Speaker 1: remember him saying are like one or two sentences at
[3:22:28] Speaker 1: a time. I could never recreate a like a full
[3:22:32] Speaker 1: conversation that we had or full speech that he ever
[3:22:34] Speaker 1: gave me. And I know that he did.
[3:22:37] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[3:22:40] Speaker 15: Wow.
[3:22:40] Speaker 6: And that's where the like the Holy Spirit would come
[3:22:44] Speaker 6: in as part of writing the Bible, right that they
[3:22:48] Speaker 6: would remind.
[3:22:49] Speaker 4: Him of that.
[3:22:50] Speaker 1: Well, that's that's the key, right is they say, well,
[3:22:52] Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit inspired them to write the words. But
[3:22:55] Speaker 1: the reality is, if the Holy Spirit inspired it, then
[3:22:57] Speaker 1: it wouldn't have all the contradictions.
[3:23:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, oh boy, Like the Holy Spirit can't decide whether
[3:23:04] Speaker 3: how Jesus was born before the death of King here
[3:23:07] Speaker 3: of the Great or during the Census of Quirinius, or
[3:23:10] Speaker 3: which are ten years apart.
[3:23:15] Speaker 6: Yeah, what were those two? That was two different gospels
[3:23:18] Speaker 6: that say that.
[3:23:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, Matthew, Matthew says, yeah, Matthew says Jesus was born
[3:23:23] Speaker 3: before the death the King here of the Great, who
[3:23:25] Speaker 3: died around four BCE. And and Luke says he was
[3:23:28] Speaker 3: born during the census of Quarnias, which took place in
[3:23:30] Speaker 3: six CE, ten years later.
[3:23:37] Speaker 6: Okay, and that you're sorry, I know where to go
[3:23:39] Speaker 6: look at this stuff. Where's that.
[3:23:41] Speaker 3: Josephus antiquities.
[3:23:43] Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, the timeline is in Josephus. Given he's not
[3:23:48] Speaker 1: the only one that gives a timeline, he's just the
[3:23:50] Speaker 1: easiest one to turn two for the timeline. But the
[3:23:53] Speaker 1: timeline is pretty well known. We know that Quinerius became
[3:23:56] Speaker 1: governor of the region in about CE, so he couldn't
[3:24:01] Speaker 1: have been giving a census prior to becoming governor.
[3:24:08] Speaker 6: Okay, And like I don't know.
[3:24:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, Matthew Luke disagree on quite a few things, Like
[3:24:15] Speaker 1: they don't agree on what happened immediately after the birth.
[3:24:21] Speaker 1: In one story he goes like in Matthew, he goes
[3:24:24] Speaker 1: into Egypt. And then in the other story he's born,
[3:24:27] Speaker 1: he goes to Jerusalem and he goes to Nazareth. He
[3:24:28] Speaker 1: doesn't he's not in Egypt at all. And then like
[3:24:33] Speaker 1: Matthew can't even like Matthew. You would think of all
[3:24:36] Speaker 1: the gospel, others could at least figure out the genealogy bit.
[3:24:40] Speaker 1: But Matthew screws up the genealogy of Jesus too. For example,
[3:24:44] Speaker 1: he missed he can't count either, which is another problem,
[3:24:47] Speaker 1: but he missed an entire group of people. So we've
[3:24:50] Speaker 1: got between where's Jotham in here, he's a yeah, between
[3:25:06] Speaker 1: Uzaiah and Joram. There's like three individuals between Joram and Usiah.
[3:25:12] Speaker 1: He just cut them out completely. And then he has
[3:25:15] Speaker 1: the goal later in the chapter to say that there
[3:25:18] Speaker 1: was fourteen generations from the deportation between all these divisions
[3:25:23] Speaker 1: from Abraham to David. Fourteen generations from David to the deportation,
[3:25:27] Speaker 1: fourteen generations. Well, if you add in the three missing people,
[3:25:32] Speaker 1: you get fourteen plus three. He just miscounted. And then
[3:25:37] Speaker 1: if you add in the last section from the deportation
[3:25:40] Speaker 1: to Jesus, there's only thirteen generations. Like Matthew's just kind
[3:25:44] Speaker 1: of a goof.
[3:25:46] Speaker 6: If you counted to it's corit clearly different. It's only
[3:25:49] Speaker 6: thirteen if you count the actual he said, yeah, And
[3:25:52] Speaker 6: then the other one you're saying there is seventeen but
[3:25:55] Speaker 6: he only wrote fourteen of them.
[3:25:57] Speaker 1: He only wrote fourteen of them. Yeah, but there's actually seven. Okay,
[3:26:03] Speaker 1: there's more problems, but we don't have to worry about
[3:26:04] Speaker 1: that now.
[3:26:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, probably be written just on the differences between the
[3:26:11] Speaker 3: two Nativity scenes. Sarah says, hide by the way justin.
[3:26:19] Speaker 1: Oh, hi Sarah, where is she?
[3:26:21] Speaker 4: Oh?
[3:26:21] Speaker 1: She's in the comment Sarah, I didn't see that.
[3:26:26] Speaker 15: Good to see you.
[3:26:27] Speaker 9: She had had and she got.
[3:26:30] Speaker 5: Okay.
[3:26:35] Speaker 1: So what's what's your thought here, Captain Crunch, what's you
[3:26:37] Speaker 1: thinking about?
[3:26:38] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[3:26:39] Speaker 6: I mean, honestly, probably about how I thought it was
[3:26:42] Speaker 6: going to go. I felt like I wanted to talk
[3:26:45] Speaker 6: to you guys about it, but also felt ill equipped.
[3:26:48] Speaker 6: So it gives me some things to go look back at.
[3:26:51] Speaker 6: You know, I knew it wasn't going to be a debate.
[3:26:54] Speaker 6: You from your bio says, you do this three times
[3:26:57] Speaker 6: a week and they look like four or five six
[3:26:59] Speaker 6: hours long thing. So you're doing this a lot, and
[3:27:01] Speaker 6: I'm working a different job, you know, thinking about something
[3:27:04] Speaker 6: else all day.
[3:27:06] Speaker 1: I've got to start for sure, like, uh, to be sure,
[3:27:10] Speaker 1: like anyone who comes up here to debate is already
[3:27:12] Speaker 1: at a disadvantage because this is what I do. This
[3:27:16] Speaker 1: is like my profession right now.
[3:27:18] Speaker 6: Yeah. So yeah, but you were respectful, so appreciate it.
[3:27:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, thanks for coming up and being nice to talk to.
[3:27:29] Speaker 1: You know, like I said, as long as the guests
[3:27:31] Speaker 1: is respectful, we're respectful. If they come up here being pompous,
[3:27:34] Speaker 1: they're they're going to get treated like children, you know.
[3:27:39] Speaker 9: Cool, all right, Yeah, here's buddy.
[3:27:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, all right, just all right, justin So here's the
[3:27:47] Speaker 3: the roc I'm going back to. This was like six
[3:27:51] Speaker 3: or I figured it out while you were talking. The
[3:27:54] Speaker 3: orc was like six or seven feet tall, which was huge.
[3:27:59] Speaker 3: But at the time that the Rabbi is overriding, it
[3:28:02] Speaker 3: was already extinct in the levant. It only just in Europe,
[3:28:05] Speaker 3: so they'd never seen it. So like Golith, like the
[3:28:08] Speaker 3: they got bigger and bigger as the story. So it
[3:28:10] Speaker 3: was this massive creature and rama is just the aramaic
[3:28:14] Speaker 3: form of en.
[3:28:16] Speaker 1: That makes a lot of sense. Okay, that that's nicely
[3:28:20] Speaker 1: buttoned up. Welcome in, Sarah, Hey, what are you guys doing. Well,
[3:28:25] Speaker 1: we had a conversation with a nice believer and I
[3:28:32] Speaker 1: know we had a palate cleanser.
[3:28:38] Speaker 3: That did what were his arguments?
[3:28:43] Speaker 1: Well, I think he wanted to go to biblical historicity.
[3:28:50] Speaker 3: Testimony the apostles.
[3:28:53] Speaker 19: Yeah, I bet he didn't win that one.
[3:28:55] Speaker 1: Well, you know what he didn't come up to. Really
[3:28:58] Speaker 1: he wanted to have a level of cushion, and I
[3:29:00] Speaker 1: think he had a level discussion. I think he was
[3:29:02] Speaker 1: really nice. Actually, yeah, I believe that's what I'm saying. Yeah,
[3:29:07] Speaker 1: he's like a palate closer, and we don't get that
[3:29:08] Speaker 1: too often.
[3:29:12] Speaker 5: Oh my god, Well, how wonderful.
[3:29:15] Speaker 1: Guys. Before I move forward, make sure if you're not
[3:29:18] Speaker 1: following Dalton or Sarah y a TikTok or on YouTube.
[3:29:21] Speaker 6: That you do.
[3:29:22] Speaker 1: So, Sarah, you're geting pretty close to ten thousand followers.
[3:29:25] Speaker 9: Well I'm at eight thousand on YouTube, right, so right there.
[3:29:30] Speaker 1: Well on TikTok you've got a bunch. You're almost at
[3:29:33] Speaker 1: forty thousand, right.
[3:29:36] Speaker 12: I guess.
[3:29:36] Speaker 3: So, yeah, crushing guys, I am. I am at a
[3:29:41] Speaker 3: raging like sixty something follower, So watch out, catch up
[3:29:45] Speaker 3: pretty soon.
[3:29:46] Speaker 1: You'll be COVID, don't worry.
[3:29:48] Speaker 19: Yeah, crushing it.
[3:29:51] Speaker 6: Right.
[3:29:52] Speaker 1: Well, I've got time for for one more guest, and Sarah,
[3:29:55] Speaker 1: you want to do a guest with Dalton and.
[3:29:56] Speaker 9: I, oh, newly have talking.
[3:29:59] Speaker 18: What's Friday?
[3:30:00] Speaker 5: What do you do it?
[3:30:01] Speaker 1: I know I have to wake up early. I've got
[3:30:03] Speaker 1: a wedding rehearsal in the morning and then Sunday I've
[3:30:06] Speaker 1: got the real thing and I can't screw anything up.
[3:30:09] Speaker 1: I'm officiating the wedding and my family will never let
[3:30:13] Speaker 1: it down if I if I'm late or I screwed
[3:30:17] Speaker 1: something up.
[3:30:17] Speaker 3: Will you have time to video chat with me tomorrow
[3:30:22] Speaker 3: about the thing after.
[3:30:25] Speaker 6: After all?
[3:30:26] Speaker 3: Right, that's fantastic, that's fine, But.
[3:30:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got to be up early tomorrow morning. Unfortunately.
[3:30:30] Speaker 3: Do you want to see a really cute dog?
[3:30:33] Speaker 4: Yes?
[3:30:34] Speaker 9: Is this Chelsy?
[3:30:36] Speaker 4: Oh?
[3:30:37] Speaker 3: Like?
[3:30:39] Speaker 4: Hi?
[3:30:40] Speaker 3: Cut He's such a cutie vibe.
[3:30:47] Speaker 1: All right, let's get Deadest Soul from the queue.
[3:30:54] Speaker 19: Oh we're ready.
[3:30:56] Speaker 1: Hello, Hello, welcome Deadest Soul.
[3:31:00] Speaker 21: Well, my name is actually Michael, but it was just
[3:31:03] Speaker 21: a cheap name I could pop up there real quick.
[3:31:06] Speaker 21: So it says right here that your God is imaginary
[3:31:10] Speaker 21: and to prove you wrong, right, what do you believe in?
[3:31:15] Speaker 1: Who's your God?
[3:31:18] Speaker 21: Well, to be frank, I'm not I don't really believe
[3:31:22] Speaker 21: in much except what I can understand and what I
[3:31:25] Speaker 21: can prove and sometimes not what I can just prove.
[3:31:28] Speaker 21: But what makes the most sense to me, and what
[3:31:30] Speaker 21: makes the most sense to me isn't always make the
[3:31:33] Speaker 21: most sense to others. But I've got a belief that
[3:31:37] Speaker 21: the world runs on technology, and I mean that's kind
[3:31:40] Speaker 21: of true. And I believe that God is just a very,
[3:31:45] Speaker 21: very large supercomputer.
[3:31:47] Speaker 9: But that's just my opinion.
[3:31:48] Speaker 1: Okay, Well, welcome to atheism. Get the next one.
[3:31:56] Speaker 3: No, not lay a Goat.
[3:32:01] Speaker 2: Do you know this person?
[3:32:03] Speaker 4: No?
[3:32:03] Speaker 3: I know the name, though, anyone who's anyone, anyone who
[3:32:08] Speaker 3: in the conversation knows where the name Lea Goodie comes from.
[3:32:10] Speaker 3: Give me a one in the comment section. Leah, I
[3:32:15] Speaker 3: don't know anything.
[3:32:16] Speaker 8: I can't see anything else.
[3:32:18] Speaker 1: I'm too I'm too boomer to know.
[3:32:20] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[3:32:24] Speaker 1: Oh okay, I say this is not a verified account.
[3:32:29] Speaker 3: Mainstream actress.
[3:32:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, Leah, how you doing? Do you recause up your
[3:32:37] Speaker 1: backs in it?
[3:32:42] Speaker 5: Hello?
[3:32:45] Speaker 1: Do you know you're up here right now?
[3:32:48] Speaker 5: Uh? Oh?
[3:32:49] Speaker 4: No?
[3:32:50] Speaker 1: Okay? Well bye?
[3:32:55] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[3:32:55] Speaker 3: Probably good that you removed them. They might start I
[3:32:58] Speaker 3: mean I'm suspicious they might start blaaring.
[3:33:00] Speaker 1: Corn on your because people have tried.
[3:33:05] Speaker 3: That's who lay a Gody is. By the way.
[3:33:08] Speaker 1: So, oh that makes sense. It's a corner actor, justin
[3:33:15] Speaker 1: we're all too innocent to know.
[3:33:17] Speaker 5: I don't know.
[3:33:17] Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't know these people. To be clear,
[3:33:24] Speaker 1: I like I'm famously I famously complain about the corn
[3:33:32] Speaker 1: industry because you can't engage with it without running into violence.
[3:33:36] Speaker 1: And I'm nonviolent. So it's just one of those. It's
[3:33:38] Speaker 1: one of those pet peeves. Welcome back, Moca, Moca. You
[3:33:46] Speaker 1: got an echo through your microphone, though, I think it's
[3:33:48] Speaker 1: because your connection is bad. Do you have Wi Fi?
[3:33:55] Speaker 10: How's that?
[3:33:57] Speaker 5: Maybe?
[3:33:57] Speaker 1: Let me see if I'm still echoing. Oh man, it
[3:34:01] Speaker 1: seems okay. Your connection is still slow, but I think
[3:34:03] Speaker 1: it's working that good. I think so.
[3:34:08] Speaker 4: No, Okay, Loka, I'm gonna try not to talk over you.
[3:34:13] Speaker 1: So I love you, buddy. You got to get a
[3:34:15] Speaker 1: better connection.
[3:34:17] Speaker 8: Man, I must be a bad luck charm.
[3:34:20] Speaker 16: Nah.
[3:34:20] Speaker 1: We've had some bad connections tonight. It's because the rapture
[3:34:23] Speaker 1: is almost near. It's happening on the sixth now, Tad,
[3:34:29] Speaker 1: welcome in. Are you at least eighteen and are you
[3:34:31] Speaker 1: a believer?
[3:34:33] Speaker 4: Oh?
[3:34:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm thirty, and I you know, I don't know actually,
[3:34:41] Speaker 3: but I do have a question for you.
[3:34:43] Speaker 1: Well, we are debating. This is a debate.
[3:34:47] Speaker 3: I understand, I understand.
[3:34:48] Speaker 8: I watch your channel a lot, and I really liked
[3:34:50] Speaker 8: your your work.
[3:34:51] Speaker 3: But I just have a question for you. If that's okay.
[3:34:54] Speaker 1: I appreciate you being here, but we're doing debates. Okay,
[3:34:57] Speaker 1: I got time for one more.
[3:35:02] Speaker 2: D M me.
[3:35:02] Speaker 1: I'll answer your question over DM. Okay, all right, Well
[3:35:05] Speaker 1: there see, man, I will never understand why people can't
[3:35:11] Speaker 1: follow boundaries.
[3:35:15] Speaker 5: Okay, not the case.
[3:35:21] Speaker 14: Hello, Hello, hello Sarah.
[3:35:28] Speaker 10: Yeah, let's go to you back.
[3:35:30] Speaker 3: So did you do that research you said you were
[3:35:33] Speaker 3: going to do yesterday?
[3:35:39] Speaker 10: I have been here. What what happened yesterday?
[3:35:43] Speaker 3: You came in my life and said you were going
[3:35:44] Speaker 3: to look into mercy any prophecies?
[3:35:46] Speaker 14: Well yeah, not specifically on that issue and the outer
[3:35:48] Speaker 14: issue that I have been discussing with Justin for like
[3:35:52] Speaker 14: we have discussed about the Trinity, my main thing.
[3:35:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, you come back Wanner on the Trinity again.
[3:36:02] Speaker 10: Well I never get tired of defending it.
[3:36:06] Speaker 1: You've never defended it once successfully?
[3:36:09] Speaker 14: Ah, Well let me try once again. Bro Okay, So
[3:36:14] Speaker 14: let me get to these onswer again.
[3:36:16] Speaker 1: To be clear, just to verify you didn't look into
[3:36:18] Speaker 1: the topic of the prophecies yet.
[3:36:21] Speaker 14: Uh no, that's scientific and unfortunately not because my my
[3:36:25] Speaker 14: current bildings are on the Trinity.
[3:36:27] Speaker 10: Unfortunately.
[3:36:28] Speaker 1: Okay, So Jesus didn't fulfill a single Messianic prophecy, but somehow,
[3:36:32] Speaker 1: you know, he's still a trinity. That's cool.
[3:36:35] Speaker 10: Okay.
[3:36:36] Speaker 14: I had to get into that later, bro, not everybody.
[3:36:39] Speaker 14: I don't have as much time as you. I also
[3:36:41] Speaker 14: have to go to college, I know.
[3:36:43] Speaker 1: All right, So tell me your new way of explaining
[3:36:47] Speaker 1: the Trinity that isn't breaking the laws of logic.
[3:36:51] Speaker 14: Ah, well, okay, just just because I have curiosity of
[3:36:57] Speaker 14: one other thing, you say, just say that all of
[3:36:59] Speaker 14: the coherent views on the tree it had been deemed heretically.
[3:37:05] Speaker 10: Did you say that right?
[3:37:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think all the coherent ideas of the Trinity
[3:37:09] Speaker 1: have been deemed heretical. I personally, I think partialism would
[3:37:13] Speaker 1: be better. Partialism and it means that God has parts.
[3:37:20] Speaker 1: Jesus is a part of God, the Spirit is a
[3:37:22] Speaker 1: part of God, and the Father is a part of God.
[3:37:24] Speaker 1: Three parts.
[3:37:28] Speaker 10: What do you mean by part.
[3:37:31] Speaker 14: Part?
[3:37:32] Speaker 1: Just like a part of my screwdriver? Is this removable
[3:37:36] Speaker 1: tip part?
[3:37:38] Speaker 17: Yeah?
[3:37:39] Speaker 10: So it's an argument.
[3:37:40] Speaker 14: So it's you an argument that basically the early then
[3:37:43] Speaker 14: coherent model is basically that they are separable pieces of things.
[3:37:47] Speaker 1: Well, they could be three different gods that'd be coherent
[3:37:51] Speaker 1: to you have a trinity of three gods.
[3:37:53] Speaker 14: So one of your objections, it goes like, the Father
[3:37:58] Speaker 14: is God, the Son is God, therefore the should be
[3:38:00] Speaker 14: the Son on the logic, right.
[3:38:03] Speaker 1: If identity matters, Yeah, if the law of identity actually works,
[3:38:06] Speaker 1: then yes, If the Father is God and the Son
[3:38:10] Speaker 1: is God, that means the Son is the Father or
[3:38:14] Speaker 1: there's two gods.
[3:38:16] Speaker 10: Do you think that denying that.
[3:38:19] Speaker 14: The Father is God is an absolute statement will be
[3:38:22] Speaker 14: heretical according to Orthodoxism?
[3:38:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, denying that the Father is God absolutely, that in
[3:38:31] Speaker 1: the absolute credibly heretical.
[3:38:35] Speaker 14: So do you think that if I say the Father
[3:38:38] Speaker 14: is not identical absolutely to God, do you think that
[3:38:40] Speaker 14: that will be heretical according to Orthodoxtre.
[3:38:43] Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, the Father must be identical to God.
[3:38:48] Speaker 10: Will you bet that?
[3:38:51] Speaker 1: No, I'm not an Orthodox I'm talking about like the
[3:38:54] Speaker 1: actual theology of the trinity is. But there's the Father
[3:38:59] Speaker 1: one God.
[3:39:02] Speaker 14: Well, let's read what a doctor of the Catholic child.
[3:39:05] Speaker 14: Do you know that these guys are supposed to be orthos,
[3:39:08] Speaker 14: right especially, But I.
[3:39:09] Speaker 1: Need you to actually answer my question. Is the Father.
[3:39:16] Speaker 10: By what you mean by that?
[3:39:17] Speaker 4: No?
[3:39:18] Speaker 10: And that is actually orthodox?
[3:39:19] Speaker 1: So God has part?
[3:39:21] Speaker 10: Do you want me to prove it to you?
[3:39:23] Speaker 12: So that.
[3:39:25] Speaker 1: Does God have part?
[3:39:26] Speaker 10: I really couldn't know what I started you mean by that?
[3:39:30] Speaker 10: But you mean, like really thinking? Yes, I guess Soca.
[3:39:36] Speaker 3: Says he went outside and has a better connection.
[3:39:38] Speaker 5: I don't know if that's or not? What?
[3:39:43] Speaker 10: Sorry, Okay, let me about does yes?
[3:39:47] Speaker 1: Orthodoxy teach that the three parts of the trinity or
[3:39:50] Speaker 1: co equal?
[3:39:53] Speaker 10: Yes, they are all equal? Co equal?
[3:39:58] Speaker 9: No, co equal?
[3:40:00] Speaker 10: Coequal?
[3:40:00] Speaker 4: Yes?
[3:40:02] Speaker 1: What do you think co equal means?
[3:40:05] Speaker 14: And they both are equally omnipotent, omnicient, I loving, I'll.
[3:40:09] Speaker 10: Good, et cetera.
[3:40:11] Speaker 1: Is Jesus omnipotent?
[3:40:13] Speaker 10: Is Jesus he?
[3:40:15] Speaker 9: Yes?
[3:40:17] Speaker 3: No?
[3:40:18] Speaker 10: Why not?
[3:40:19] Speaker 1: He's not omnipotent. He's not omnipresent for sure.
[3:40:24] Speaker 10: When you say when you say Jesus, do you mean
[3:40:27] Speaker 10: just the second person of the trinity?
[3:40:30] Speaker 1: Second person, third person? What do you want to call him?
[3:40:33] Speaker 10: He's the second person.
[3:40:35] Speaker 1: He's a part of the Trinity, and he's certainly not omnipresent.
[3:40:39] Speaker 14: Hey, well he's he's human nature said at least not omnipresent.
[3:40:43] Speaker 10: But his divine nator is this divine nature is not?
[3:40:46] Speaker 1: He has a body?
[3:40:47] Speaker 2: Why not?
[3:40:48] Speaker 1: According according to Paul in One Corinthians fifteen, he has a.
[3:40:51] Speaker 10: Body, Yes, Jesus has a body, but that's his human nature.
[3:40:56] Speaker 1: No, No, he has a different body in heaven or
[3:41:00] Speaker 1: in the sky. I mean he's given a spiritual body.
[3:41:05] Speaker 1: In one Corinthians fifteen do you know about this?
[3:41:08] Speaker 14: And First Corinthians fifteen, I mean that's body is just
[3:41:11] Speaker 14: the flesh, fleshy body, right, No, no, it's.
[3:41:16] Speaker 10: Not actually ah hala Haldan. Hold on, guys, are thelways
[3:41:20] Speaker 10: taking the position.
[3:41:21] Speaker 3: That, like Paul pytically said, the body which is laid
[3:41:24] Speaker 3: down is not the body which is raised.
[3:41:26] Speaker 10: Yep, When I said, does it say that? And why
[3:41:30] Speaker 10: I want to say that?
[3:41:31] Speaker 1: Sull I know and like these Orthodox believers, they have
[3:41:36] Speaker 1: no idea what the Bible actually says. Okay, it says
[3:41:42] Speaker 1: as for what will start at the beginning. Uh, some
[3:41:45] Speaker 1: will ask, how are the dead raised with what kind
[3:41:47] Speaker 1: of body do they come?
[3:41:48] Speaker 2: Fool?
[3:41:49] Speaker 1: What you sew does not come to life unless it
[3:41:53] Speaker 1: dies as for what you sew, you do not sew
[3:41:55] Speaker 1: the body that is. You do not sew the body
[3:41:59] Speaker 1: that is to be but a bare seed, perhaps of
[3:42:02] Speaker 1: wheat or some other grain. But God gives it a body,
[3:42:06] Speaker 1: as he has chosen to each kind of seed its
[3:42:09] Speaker 1: own body. Not all flesh is alike. There is one
[3:42:12] Speaker 1: flesh for humans, and another flesh for animal, and another
[3:42:15] Speaker 1: flesh of birds, and another flesh for fish. There are
[3:42:18] Speaker 1: both heavenly bodies and earthly bodies. But the glory of
[3:42:22] Speaker 1: the heavenly is one thing, and that of the earthly
[3:42:24] Speaker 1: is another. There is one glory of the sun and
[3:42:27] Speaker 1: another glory of the moon, so on and so forth.
[3:42:30] Speaker 1: So it is with the resurrection of the dead. What
[3:42:32] Speaker 1: is sown is perishable, what is raised is imperishable. He's saying,
[3:42:36] Speaker 1: you have an imperishable spiritual body. If there is a
[3:42:41] Speaker 1: physical body, there is also a spiritual body Verse forty four.
[3:42:48] Speaker 10: Okay, so according to power Jesus only spl.
[3:42:54] Speaker 1: He has a spiritual body, is what I'm saying, And.
[3:42:58] Speaker 14: That is I actually had heard that argument and rec entry.
[3:43:00] Speaker 14: There was a book just on on that issue, which
[3:43:04] Speaker 14: will be it's a defense that album they create on
[3:43:09] Speaker 14: first Core Indians fifteen. Actory refers to a physical resurrection,
[3:43:14] Speaker 14: not a not a metal spirital one.
[3:43:16] Speaker 1: I mean, I agree, I think that Paul believed in
[3:43:19] Speaker 1: a physical resurrection. I'm not a mythicist. If you look
[3:43:23] Speaker 1: at all Paul's writings, it seems to be that he
[3:43:26] Speaker 1: understood it as a physical manifestation, not a spiritual one.
[3:43:33] Speaker 14: Then if it is, if it was a physical resurrection,
[3:43:36] Speaker 14: what do you mean. Do you mean that like his
[3:43:38] Speaker 14: body in heaven is not the same as they went
[3:43:41] Speaker 14: on earth.
[3:43:42] Speaker 7: No, it could have been.
[3:43:43] Speaker 1: When he was on earth he was walking through walls.
[3:43:45] Speaker 1: Have you read the gospels after he resurrected, he was
[3:43:48] Speaker 1: literally walking on walls or walking through walls with the
[3:43:52] Speaker 1: human body.
[3:43:54] Speaker 10: With a miracle.
[3:43:55] Speaker 3: Of course, with the exact analogy that Paul uses is
[3:43:59] Speaker 3: that it's kind of like a seed that is buried
[3:44:01] Speaker 3: in the earth. It's not the seed that raises, it's
[3:44:04] Speaker 3: a plant that comes. It's the plant that shoots forth
[3:44:06] Speaker 3: from the seed. The plant is in the seed, the
[3:44:09] Speaker 3: seed comes, the plant comes from the seed. Paul envisioned
[3:44:12] Speaker 3: Jesus as having an earthly body and a separate, completely separate,
[3:44:17] Speaker 3: uh spiritual body that rose forth from his physical body.
[3:44:21] Speaker 3: That's why he calls me life giving spirit and compares
[3:44:25] Speaker 3: him to Adam, who had a physical body.
[3:44:27] Speaker 10: Yes, I had, I actually have wat should that video
[3:44:30] Speaker 10: just on that issue?
[3:44:31] Speaker 14: That actually depends that that's not the case right now.
[3:44:34] Speaker 14: Don't remember all that alguments, So I will have to
[3:44:37] Speaker 14: see that to recheck that later and maybe we can
[3:44:39] Speaker 14: discuss it the other day.
[3:44:41] Speaker 10: But for now, let me just justin. Can I read? Okay?
[3:44:46] Speaker 10: Can I share my screen?
[3:44:48] Speaker 1: You really want to read me this quote from the
[3:44:50] Speaker 1: Early Church?
[3:44:51] Speaker 14: Go ahead, Well, it's not the early show. It's a medieval.
[3:44:54] Speaker 14: It is a medieval But it's about your point and
[3:44:59] Speaker 14: pass through that. Don't you know about three things?
[3:45:03] Speaker 1: What do I care with? Some in the medieval period said.
[3:45:06] Speaker 14: The point is to show what Orthodo orthodox Streeism actually titious,
[3:45:11] Speaker 14: for example.
[3:45:13] Speaker 1: And you're going to the medieval period.
[3:45:16] Speaker 14: Well, do you think that the Catholic Church in the
[3:45:18] Speaker 14: medieval video was very serious on the orthodoxy?
[3:45:23] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[3:45:23] Speaker 2: I mean have you.
[3:45:26] Speaker 3: Ever read that? Have you ever read a quitness?
[3:45:28] Speaker 12: Yes?
[3:45:29] Speaker 10: That, yeah, he was actually have read some of the
[3:45:32] Speaker 10: words of a quietness.
[3:45:33] Speaker 14: I also know that they heritage at stake if they
[3:45:35] Speaker 14: were Adam denyal the drink.
[3:45:37] Speaker 4: So we we all do that.
[3:45:40] Speaker 5: We get to that.
[3:45:41] Speaker 10: Let me get it is so the Father is God,
[3:45:45] Speaker 10: the song is God.
[3:45:46] Speaker 14: Therefore the Father is the song according if we follow
[3:45:49] Speaker 14: it identity right alegedly?
[3:45:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, if you believe in the law of identity, you have.
[3:45:54] Speaker 10: To Okay, Uh, can you read this this thing?
[3:46:03] Speaker 5: Hold on?
[3:46:04] Speaker 2: I can't.
[3:46:05] Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're showing.
[3:46:09] Speaker 5: Can't do uh?
[3:46:10] Speaker 10: And and I think that you can put it?
[3:46:13] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[3:46:20] Speaker 3: Are we waiting for something?
[3:46:22] Speaker 1: I have no idea what you're doing.
[3:46:24] Speaker 10: No, just to read that.
[3:46:26] Speaker 5: Can can't do anything.
[3:46:30] Speaker 1: We can't see anything.
[3:46:32] Speaker 10: Ah, you want to need closer?
[3:46:36] Speaker 1: No, you should have way we can see.
[3:46:39] Speaker 10: Are you gonna myself? I'm gonna read myself?
[3:46:42] Speaker 5: Okay.
[3:46:43] Speaker 14: So the principle that you're applying that if two things
[3:46:47] Speaker 14: are identical to achieve, they're identical to each other.
[3:46:49] Speaker 6: Right?
[3:46:53] Speaker 5: Hello?
[3:46:57] Speaker 10: Is that the principle that you're applying.
[3:47:00] Speaker 1: The law of identity? Yes, if A C and B C,
[3:47:05] Speaker 1: then A and B and C are all the same.
[3:47:08] Speaker 1: Iternity perfect.
[3:47:09] Speaker 14: Let me read you this, so signed Robert Berhamin says
[3:47:13] Speaker 14: to the I say that that principle is not true
[3:47:16] Speaker 14: universally except when the two things are equal.
[3:47:18] Speaker 1: To a t the law of logic isn't true.
[3:47:22] Speaker 10: No, no, no, no, it is true. But let me continue.
[3:47:26] Speaker 10: It is not true universally except when the two things.
[3:47:30] Speaker 1: So it's not universal. You said, it's not universal love,
[3:47:34] Speaker 1: and it is not universal. What would you think?
[3:47:37] Speaker 10: Well, it is universal, but only only when.
[3:47:40] Speaker 1: I when I special plead for the trinity.
[3:47:42] Speaker 14: You mean, now, handan, except when the two things are
[3:47:46] Speaker 14: equal to a to a third thing adequately, as in
[3:47:49] Speaker 14: mathematics where in two where if two lines are equate
[3:47:53] Speaker 14: to a third, university that will be equal to each
[3:47:55] Speaker 14: other because there is there is one complete adequateness. However,
[3:47:59] Speaker 14: if you say man and horse are the same thing
[3:48:02] Speaker 14: with an animal, therefore they are the same thing between them?
[3:48:06] Speaker 1: Are are not identities or categories?
[3:48:10] Speaker 10: Yeah, it's that. That's the point that I'm trying to together.
[3:48:12] Speaker 1: So you think God is a category?
[3:48:16] Speaker 10: Yeah, we were actoric.
[3:48:17] Speaker 1: Oh my god, So you're a politicist. If God has
[3:48:20] Speaker 1: categories and Jesus is just another god, that's the thing
[3:48:24] Speaker 1: with Well, we will carry that quasis universal.
[3:48:27] Speaker 14: It's not like a universal like humanity. It's a universal,
[3:48:30] Speaker 14: but it has similarities with it.
[3:48:33] Speaker 1: Welcome to uh, welcome to politicism.
[3:48:35] Speaker 14: But well, this pitism, because this is just what Saint
[3:48:39] Speaker 14: Robert Bellarmin is teaching back then in the MEDIAV But so.
[3:48:45] Speaker 10: So what I mean he has done the problem you have.
[3:48:48] Speaker 1: You don't realize that you believe in politicism.
[3:48:51] Speaker 14: Now, in politicism, we will say that that's not the case,
[3:48:55] Speaker 14: because the divinity is one.
[3:48:57] Speaker 10: There is one real division.
[3:48:58] Speaker 1: There's there's Jesus, the Father, and the Holy Spirit. There's
[3:49:01] Speaker 1: three if they don't care and if they don't share
[3:49:05] Speaker 1: an identity, if this, if God is just a category,
[3:49:07] Speaker 1: then there's three gods.
[3:49:10] Speaker 3: Okay, held on a second, This is some terrence toward
[3:49:13] Speaker 3: level math right here?
[3:49:14] Speaker 10: What say?
[3:49:18] Speaker 5: No?
[3:49:21] Speaker 10: Okay, we will say that that's.
[3:49:24] Speaker 1: Why there's no Catholic engineers. That they didn't teach your
[3:49:27] Speaker 1: proper math. They thought one plus one plus one equals one.
[3:49:30] Speaker 14: Ah had On hod On, I am surely I can't
[3:49:32] Speaker 14: find yourself Catholic engineer out there.
[3:49:34] Speaker 1: But that's I'm joking.
[3:49:38] Speaker 10: Yes, I know, I'm joking too, So was it?
[3:49:42] Speaker 14: We will say that science there is only one divinity
[3:49:45] Speaker 14: and that will be one divin which sure, no.
[3:49:49] Speaker 1: There's three divinities, Jesus and the Holy spirit, three divinities.
[3:49:54] Speaker 10: They are not three dvnits.
[3:49:57] Speaker 1: They're distinct from each other. If there's a distinction, that
[3:49:59] Speaker 1: means there's three of them.
[3:50:01] Speaker 10: Yeah, there are three persons.
[3:50:03] Speaker 12: Okay.
[3:50:03] Speaker 1: So if you have three entities that are distinct from
[3:50:06] Speaker 1: each other in the same category, you have three of
[3:50:08] Speaker 1: the same category.
[3:50:11] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[3:50:12] Speaker 3: Why, I don't know why he thinks we should give
[3:50:14] Speaker 3: a shit about people who lived hundreds and hundreds of
[3:50:17] Speaker 3: years after the people who wrote the Bible and had
[3:50:20] Speaker 3: no conception of anything he's saying.
[3:50:23] Speaker 10: I know, right, no conception of what of the things.
[3:50:28] Speaker 3: You were talking about. The Biblical authors have no conception
[3:50:32] Speaker 3: of anything you were talking about.
[3:50:35] Speaker 1: I would not think, though, progressive revelation, Dalton.
[3:50:39] Speaker 4: Come on.
[3:50:41] Speaker 14: Progressive revelation. Oh well, there is progressive revelation from which is.
[3:50:45] Speaker 3: Which is I think? Which I think is? Actually?
[3:50:48] Speaker 4: Uh?
[3:50:49] Speaker 3: According to Orthodox and Catholic theology, Uh, there is no
[3:50:52] Speaker 3: more revelation after the time of Jesus.
[3:50:54] Speaker 14: Sonically, it's not after that of Jesus, but after that
[3:50:58] Speaker 14: of the apostol John, which will be late for center.
[3:51:01] Speaker 14: But after after that there is invaluable concept that can
[3:51:06] Speaker 14: define dogma.
[3:51:08] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[3:51:09] Speaker 1: Okay, So here's the deal though it's I have to
[3:51:13] Speaker 1: at the end stream. I can't stay up late talking
[3:51:16] Speaker 1: to you, as enjoyable as you are. I've got to
[3:51:19] Speaker 1: read the rest of trying to get myself to bed.
[3:51:22] Speaker 1: I love a good debate on the Trinity, but every
[3:51:25] Speaker 1: conversation we have goes like two hours, and so I
[3:51:29] Speaker 1: know that's to I don't think the night is going
[3:51:31] Speaker 1: to be your night on winning the Trinity debate.
[3:51:35] Speaker 10: Yeah, maybe it is.
[3:51:36] Speaker 14: I'm still not ready for this, but maybe with some
[3:51:38] Speaker 14: one they have moderated just the two of us, if
[3:51:42] Speaker 14: you want it.
[3:51:43] Speaker 1: I mean, I'm not particularly interested and I get I
[3:51:45] Speaker 1: get paid to do this debate.
[3:51:48] Speaker 3: I would love to see you talk to Justin about
[3:51:50] Speaker 3: messy prophecies will.
[3:51:54] Speaker 10: Improve. It's a very tough issue, dude.
[3:51:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, because it's not philosophy, right, Yeah, it requires you
[3:52:02] Speaker 3: to actually read the Bible talk about the Bible. I
[3:52:03] Speaker 3: give it very tough.
[3:52:05] Speaker 10: Well, maybe when I when I finish my whole reading
[3:52:08] Speaker 10: of the Bible. We can't do that. But at least
[3:52:10] Speaker 10: I got to show you just In that.
[3:52:13] Speaker 14: Even in the media period, you know when three orthodoxy
[3:52:16] Speaker 14: is very heavy, there are people directly saying that the
[3:52:20] Speaker 14: Father and God and God on the Spirit are not
[3:52:23] Speaker 14: identical in the absolute sense that for tencitivity does not apply.
[3:52:27] Speaker 1: You can't have non absolute identity in modern Indeed, we
[3:52:32] Speaker 1: we just we just went over this. You can't have
[3:52:34] Speaker 1: non absolute identities because then you create categories. And if
[3:52:37] Speaker 1: God is a category, then you still have three different gods.
[3:52:40] Speaker 1: We can go round and round on this. The guy
[3:52:42] Speaker 1: that you're quoting doesn't understand what he's saying any more
[3:52:44] Speaker 1: than you do.
[3:52:46] Speaker 10: Well, if you may say so, But actually, how you
[3:52:50] Speaker 10: ever like is something? It's sadly something funny here?
[3:52:54] Speaker 20: Yeah, the like just instead a thing and instead of
[3:52:59] Speaker 20: engage with the thing you just said, if you say
[3:53:02] Speaker 20: so and then pivoted to another.
[3:53:04] Speaker 10: Thing, well, my bad, my bad. In that case, what
[3:53:09] Speaker 10: was the thing that I do? Want me to engage?
[3:53:11] Speaker 3: Don't just ending the stream?
[3:53:13] Speaker 20: Although if anyone wants to come hang out, I think
[3:53:15] Speaker 20: I'm gonna go live for a little while.
[3:53:17] Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Jude, all right, friends, I'm going to
[3:53:22] Speaker 1: read super chats and uh and then it looks like
[3:53:25] Speaker 1: the party is over at Sarah's stream. All right, let
[3:53:32] Speaker 1: me get to him. Let me get to him. Ermat,
[3:53:34] Speaker 1: my friend, good to see you. Tonight says for the
[3:53:36] Speaker 1: swamp Thing reference, Hey, I appreciate that. A big w
[3:53:40] Speaker 1: for supporting And if you haven't watched swamp Thing, I
[3:53:43] Speaker 1: mean it's it's a good nineties flick. I'm sorry it's
[3:53:47] Speaker 1: not good. It's just if you lived in the nineties
[3:53:50] Speaker 1: you knew about swamp Thing. Martins has followed Blitz here
[3:53:53] Speaker 1: from Ian's life. Well shit, thanks for being here, Martin.
[3:53:57] Speaker 1: Sometimes when a guest joins up on my box, they'll
[3:54:00] Speaker 1: bring in their followers.
[3:54:02] Speaker 4: I like that.
[3:54:03] Speaker 1: And Raith, thank you for the two hour super Things.
[3:54:05] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And Godwin says, thank you for your donation. Godwin,
[3:54:09] Speaker 1: I say to you, thank you for your donation. Friend
[3:54:13] Speaker 1: and Dexter's Lab, thank you for your donation, says Alien
[3:54:16] Speaker 1: who eats Pooh Alf was my hero pooch. I think
[3:54:22] Speaker 1: you meant he always wants to eat the pets, not
[3:54:25] Speaker 1: as Pooh. Did I miss something?
[3:54:28] Speaker 3: Nope, that is a That is a.
[3:54:32] Speaker 1: I see, yeah, yeah, the dirty word. You couldn't type
[3:54:35] Speaker 1: it out deck. I don't think he ever tried to
[3:54:37] Speaker 1: do that. I think you mean you're referring to that
[3:54:39] Speaker 1: as the cat. You're you're using that as a name
[3:54:42] Speaker 1: for the cat. You could just say cat. You don't
[3:54:44] Speaker 1: have to do all the but thank you anyways, and
[3:54:45] Speaker 1: Douglas says, thank you for your donation. Well, Douglas, I
[3:54:48] Speaker 1: appreciate that. Thank you for yours. Ed you left over
[3:54:50] Speaker 1: pizza as well. Mono is one singularity checkmate. Well, I
[3:54:58] Speaker 1: see you did. You took Mono in singular and you
[3:55:00] Speaker 1: did a checkmate. That's funny. I'll give you that. That's funny.
[3:55:05] Speaker 1: And Mega Deconstructs says, the caller is the definition of
[3:55:09] Speaker 1: Dunn Krueger. We've had a couple tonight. Actually that really,
[3:55:12] Speaker 1: I think.
[3:55:14] Speaker 3: I know it all. It was literally his name was,
[3:55:16] Speaker 3: I know it all.
[3:55:18] Speaker 1: Like he fit the mold. The mold was made for him.
[3:55:22] Speaker 1: Jester says, where is Hanji at? She is so cool.
[3:55:24] Speaker 1: Hanji is so cool. She hasn't been on the show
[3:55:27] Speaker 1: since like last December, but she's still around the community.
[3:55:31] Speaker 1: She's still helping out on some live streams. We love
[3:55:33] Speaker 1: and appreciate Hanji. Go find Hanji on TikTok. Let her
[3:55:37] Speaker 1: know that you love her and follow her and follow
[3:55:39] Speaker 1: her work. T TV says, I have four three D printers.
[3:55:43] Speaker 1: If you need help, I'm good d D. I've I've
[3:55:46] Speaker 1: got some myself. I'm not looking to three D print souvenirs.
[3:55:49] Speaker 1: It looks like Crystal is I just need to scan
[3:55:52] Speaker 1: the models for crystal. Honey Comb says, have you guys
[3:55:56] Speaker 1: ever read Epicy Epic, Epic t Epic Titus Marcus Arilis's
[3:56:05] Speaker 1: philosophies that mentioned a form of God suitable to their
[3:56:10] Speaker 1: philosophical views? Just curious? I have not read either of
[3:56:13] Speaker 1: those two, you guys.
[3:56:16] Speaker 3: I've got one of Marcus's books on my shelf, I
[3:56:18] Speaker 3: just haven't opened it up.
[3:56:20] Speaker 10: Yeah, but not the other guy.
[3:56:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, so you strike me as a person who probably
[3:56:26] Speaker 1: read meditations.
[3:56:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the one I got on my chef. I
[3:56:31] Speaker 3: just haven't opened it yet.
[3:56:33] Speaker 1: Doctor David says rock cards were Doug glad to be
[3:56:36] Speaker 1: back tonight despite storm Army. I don't know what storm
[3:56:39] Speaker 1: army means, but I'm glad that. Oh my gosh, that's
[3:56:43] Speaker 1: why Amy stn't Wait, who's Amy? They didn't fix it?
[3:56:48] Speaker 4: Wait?
[3:56:48] Speaker 1: Who's Amy? Despite storm? Oh there's a tropical storm named Amy.
[3:56:53] Speaker 1: Is that what you're saying? I didn't know about that?
[3:56:57] Speaker 12: Is it?
[3:56:58] Speaker 1: Are you in Florida?
[3:56:59] Speaker 2: Doctor David?
[3:57:00] Speaker 1: I got questions. Now, Dexter lab again says Doug communion
[3:57:04] Speaker 1: wafers should just be rock candy. That's a really good point.
[3:57:07] Speaker 1: We should do the body and the body of Doug
[3:57:11] Speaker 1: for a communion, and it seems to be pop rocks.
[3:57:13] Speaker 1: That's what we should do, pop rocks. It's Rubiks says,
[3:57:18] Speaker 1: Christianity is just acceptable Stockholm syndrome. Couldn't agree more. We
[3:57:22] Speaker 1: used to do that topic. Christianity is Stockholm syndrome. We
[3:57:24] Speaker 1: haven't done it in a minute, though. Noko says, Doug
[3:57:27] Speaker 1: is watching you. Doug is watching you. He's got googly
[3:57:29] Speaker 1: eyes behind me. He sees everything that's happening. Friends, and
[3:57:33] Speaker 1: Woolite says Doug and Doug sound the same because Doug
[3:57:37] Speaker 1: is deep inside us, all in God he is.
[3:57:41] Speaker 20: There was such a great that's what she said joke
[3:57:44] Speaker 20: that happened, Like I was prompted in the comments, but
[3:57:48] Speaker 20: the person who is making the comments seems really sincere,
[3:57:50] Speaker 20: and I thought she might be offended if I said
[3:57:53] Speaker 20: that's what she said, But like I really.
[3:57:56] Speaker 2: Wanted to do it, and I let it go by.
[3:57:59] Speaker 1: Yeah, I shouldn't like they go by. You gotta take
[3:58:01] Speaker 1: to take advantage of that.
[3:58:02] Speaker 3: Well, tell justin storm Amy is in the UK.
[3:58:07] Speaker 1: Oh fuck, okay, yeah, well be safe friends, be safe.
[3:58:13] Speaker 1: Twist your scripture is good to see it tonight, he says,
[3:58:15] Speaker 1: thank you for your donation, Twist the scriptures. Thank you
[3:58:18] Speaker 1: for your donation, and I hope you're doing well. We
[3:58:20] Speaker 1: got to double Actually another thank you for your donation,
[3:58:22] Speaker 1: well twisted, thank you. I appreciate that. Libra the skeptic
[3:58:27] Speaker 1: is also with us. Good to see you, Libra says
[3:58:29] Speaker 1: my suggestion, praise be to pebbles, Mara, thank you for
[3:58:34] Speaker 1: the handhearts. I appreciate that. Yeah, we don't have pebbles
[3:58:37] Speaker 1: slogans yet. We gotta work on pebbles and rocky slogans.
[3:58:40] Speaker 1: Maybe we should put a list up in the discord Jay,
[3:58:43] Speaker 1: said Christians, correlating Kirk's time of you Know What to
[3:58:47] Speaker 1: John twelve twenty three. Matt Dala Honey asked why they
[3:58:51] Speaker 1: didn't choose Acts twelve twenty three not trying to break policies. Yeah,
[3:58:56] Speaker 1: I mean I get that. What's the Acts twelve that's
[3:59:01] Speaker 1: just after the gentiles are baptized, if the Holy Spirit comes.
[3:59:07] Speaker 3: And immediately because he had not given the glory to
[3:59:10] Speaker 3: God Angel of the Lord struck him down and die.
[3:59:15] Speaker 1: That's what it is. That's what it is. They only
[3:59:19] Speaker 1: got partial revelation. We got the full revelation and Twisted
[3:59:22] Speaker 1: thank you for the additional superchat. Twist it says, thank
[3:59:25] Speaker 1: you all, thank you for all you do. Everything I've
[3:59:28] Speaker 1: unlearned about the Bible I learned from Justin Well, thank you, Twisted.
[3:59:32] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, and I try to keep learning myself.
[3:59:35] Speaker 1: It's it's fun if you it's not fun if you
[3:59:38] Speaker 1: quit learning. Chris says, I had to leave. Did you
[3:59:41] Speaker 1: see my super chat about robbing Peter to pay Paul? Yes, Chris,
[3:59:45] Speaker 1: we saw it, and we already read it and discussed it.
[3:59:47] Speaker 1: But yes we did. And thank you for supporting the channel.
[3:59:49] Speaker 1: Friend Libra again with a super chat, thank your friend,
[3:59:53] Speaker 1: says rock hard for Doug is rock hard for Doug,
[3:59:56] Speaker 1: simpully wet for Sharon, rocking out for Rocky. I could
[4:00:00] Speaker 1: go rocking out for Rocky and refreshing praise B for Pebbles,
[4:00:05] Speaker 1: pb FP the Quadrinity. I don't know what we're gonna
[4:00:10] Speaker 1: do with Pebbles yet, but rocking out for Rocky I
[4:00:12] Speaker 1: like a lot. That's a good one, Twisted says, thank
[4:00:17] Speaker 1: you for a donation. Well Twisted again, thank you so
[4:00:19] Speaker 1: much for your donation. And Matt Rock, what a divine name?
[4:00:24] Speaker 1: Matt says ninety nine percent apologists stop scrolling down right
[4:00:27] Speaker 1: before hitting the magical winning definition. Yeah. Actually, when it
[4:00:31] Speaker 1: comes to looking up words like we're in a Thayer's
[4:00:33] Speaker 1: Greek Lexicon there or in like the b dag, they
[4:00:37] Speaker 1: will scour the page for like one word that says
[4:00:40] Speaker 1: what they wanted to say, rather than reading all the
[4:00:42] Speaker 1: definitions because they just think that's how definitions work. But
[4:00:45] Speaker 1: that's certainly not how that works. And doctor David says
[4:00:49] Speaker 1: dark d Z, I have friends vers MDiv The callers
[4:00:55] Speaker 1: still thought he was onto something. This is why the
[4:00:58] Speaker 1: rapture is needed.
[4:00:59] Speaker 5: I know it.
[4:01:00] Speaker 1: Although to be fair, that guy wouldn't have been raptured.
[4:01:03] Speaker 1: He's not gonna make the cut, but I mean one
[4:01:06] Speaker 1: could hope, right, Tim, Thank you for the five dollars.
[4:01:09] Speaker 1: Super Chest says nothing funnier than when you get on
[4:01:11] Speaker 1: your own show. And sorry, when they get on your
[4:01:15] Speaker 1: show and try to tell you how your show goes, like, hey,
[4:01:19] Speaker 1: numb nuts, just as god. Here, actually that is true,
[4:01:23] Speaker 1: and here I mean I enforce the rules. You don't
[4:01:27] Speaker 1: get much of a choice on that unless you're really
[4:01:29] Speaker 1: really nice. If you're really nice, I'll let you bend
[4:01:31] Speaker 1: the rules and snip nut. Great to see you tonight.
[4:01:34] Speaker 1: Thank you for the super chest, says do you know
[4:01:36] Speaker 1: of neo woo woo? I am not aware of neo
[4:01:39] Speaker 1: woo woo. I knew of woo woo, not neo woo woo.
[4:01:42] Speaker 1: No views on neo woo woo I know of. How
[4:01:45] Speaker 1: about you? Well, that's a lot of woo woo in
[4:01:48] Speaker 1: one super chat, and I don't know anything about neo
[4:01:51] Speaker 1: woo woo. I know minimal about regular woo woo. So
[4:01:55] Speaker 1: it sounds like we need to have a conversation about
[4:01:57] Speaker 1: neo woo woom.
[4:01:59] Speaker 3: That is the most you have ever said those two syllables.
[4:02:02] Speaker 3: I know.
[4:02:03] Speaker 1: I hate myself for having to say it out loud.
[4:02:05] Speaker 1: Someone's probably gonna pip it. Oh boy, Alex, thank you
[4:02:11] Speaker 1: for the supertest, says Dog, not Doug. Dog is one
[4:02:14] Speaker 1: letter away from God, explains my many Aussi's entitlement praised.
[4:02:21] Speaker 1: That's exactly it. Sorry, so you missed that guy. You
[4:02:23] Speaker 1: might have missed that conversation earlier some guy tried to
[4:02:26] Speaker 1: say that God is real because God and good are
[4:02:29] Speaker 1: from the same etymological route, even though they're not.
[4:02:32] Speaker 2: It was bad.
[4:02:33] Speaker 1: Oh no, no, Jason, I have appreciated few moments in
[4:02:39] Speaker 1: all of visual media more than the moment of silence
[4:02:42] Speaker 1: that followed you proving to that guy that you went
[4:02:45] Speaker 1: to seminary. I know it's funny when you say that
[4:02:47] Speaker 1: they're like in disbelief. Why would you be in disbelief
[4:02:49] Speaker 1: that a guy went to seminary? A lot of people
[4:02:52] Speaker 1: do it. Coco says, this is for the education he
[4:02:56] Speaker 1: just got. Well, thank you, Coco. I appreciate that. Uh,
[4:03:00] Speaker 1: And unlike Paul, I don't have to make tense I
[4:03:03] Speaker 1: make arguments. Joni, thank you for the five dollars, says,
[4:03:07] Speaker 1: stay consistent in your argument. He says, oh, I know, no, Ill,
[4:03:12] Speaker 1: I'll never understand guests that demand that I stay consistent
[4:03:15] Speaker 1: while they're like literally going off road in a four
[4:03:18] Speaker 1: by four trying to avoid the right lane at all costs. Adam,
[4:03:22] Speaker 1: thank you for the fight, says good God Almighty, I'm
[4:03:26] Speaker 1: free at last. Listen, We're glad you're free. It sounds
[4:03:29] Speaker 1: like you probably left the same cult we all did,
[4:03:32] Speaker 1: Tim says Noah Quick, one of the unicorns is escaping
[4:03:36] Speaker 1: that that's why they didn't survive. Actually, they just didn't
[4:03:39] Speaker 1: make they didn't make the cut. They had missed the boat.
[4:03:42] Speaker 1: Reverend Dangerous says dangerously stupid people tonight, I know, Reverend.
[4:03:47] Speaker 1: The crowd tonight was it was a full moon crowd.
[4:03:50] Speaker 1: It was a rough one, yes, Sarah, it was wild.
[4:03:54] Speaker 1: We had some crazy guests tonight. We had a couple
[4:03:57] Speaker 1: of good ones too, though, Yeah, yeah, it was all right.
[4:04:01] Speaker 1: What do you personally think happens when we die? Reincarnation, heaven,
[4:04:05] Speaker 1: hell or nothing? Well, Chris, thanks for the super chat,
[4:04:07] Speaker 1: and I think nothing. I think we just go to
[4:04:09] Speaker 1: the ground. We've become fertilizer and worm food and that's
[4:04:12] Speaker 1: the end. And it's not a pleasant thought, but it
[4:04:14] Speaker 1: seems to align with all the data that we have. Smack,
[4:04:18] Speaker 1: thank you for the one hundred and okay, says I
[4:04:20] Speaker 1: I can do Trump. I introduce progressive Trump for those
[4:04:22] Speaker 1: who need it. When you have a slow night, let
[4:04:25] Speaker 1: me know and you will hear the annoying voice you
[4:04:27] Speaker 1: hate so much, but delivering love and reissurged Smack, I'm
[4:04:32] Speaker 1: down for a good Trump. Impersonation. I'm okay with that,
[4:04:36] Speaker 1: Chris again, No, I like an impersonation.
[4:04:43] Speaker 2: Like that one.
[4:04:46] Speaker 8: I'm good.
[4:04:48] Speaker 1: Okay, that's a special popcorn you're consuming over there. Go start,
[4:04:58] Speaker 1: Go start your live stream. I'll send everybody over there
[4:05:01] Speaker 1: in a couple of minutes. Okay, sounds good bye, Chris.
[4:05:08] Speaker 1: Thank you for the additional superchech. Chris says, what do
[4:05:10] Speaker 1: you personally believe happens when you pass away?
[4:05:12] Speaker 16: Oh?
[4:05:13] Speaker 1: We just talked about this, Chris. I don't believe anything
[4:05:15] Speaker 1: happens unfortunately. Jen, thank you for the two says, are
[4:05:20] Speaker 1: pop rocks for Doug like baby paste for humans?
[4:05:23] Speaker 12: No?
[4:05:23] Speaker 2: No, no, no.
[4:05:24] Speaker 1: Pop rocks are given by Doug for our enjoyment? And
[4:05:28] Speaker 1: question says pop rocks maybe for Rocky and pebbles. It's candy.
[4:05:32] Speaker 1: So well, that's what I'm thinking, pebbles. Pop rocks goes
[4:05:35] Speaker 1: perfectly with pebbles because they basically are pebbles, aren't they
[4:05:38] Speaker 1: like in shape and form and all that nonsense.
[4:05:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, basically the same thing.
[4:05:46] Speaker 1: That's so I'm thinking rock hard for Doug. Great to
[4:05:49] Speaker 1: see you tonight, my friend. I appreciate that to no.
[4:05:51] Speaker 1: Super chech, says Jenny, Wrenn called going through the initial
[4:05:56] Speaker 1: grief stages of deconstruction, and the site Recovering from Religion
[4:06:00] Speaker 1: has people to chat or call in to talk about
[4:06:05] Speaker 1: just the issues, these issues who can listen and help. Okay,
[4:06:10] Speaker 1: so I think rock Card you're right, Jenny. Are you
[4:06:16] Speaker 1: saying called or should call the Recovering from Religion? I
[4:06:22] Speaker 1: may not fully understand what you're saying here, rock Hard,
[4:06:24] Speaker 1: but I agree that if you're deconstructing, pleased by all means,
[4:06:28] Speaker 1: get in contact with the Recovering from Religion. And Kenneth,
[4:06:31] Speaker 1: thank you for the hats. I really appreciate that. La Piquette,
[4:06:34] Speaker 1: thank you for the hand hearts. I really appreciate that.
[4:06:37] Speaker 1: And doctor Joe, thank you for all the handhearts. I
[4:06:40] Speaker 1: appreciate that too. On TikTok and Schneer, thank you for
[4:06:44] Speaker 1: the face pain, I really appreciate that. Friend un ashame
[4:06:47] Speaker 1: to postate, thank you for the super chat, says a
[4:06:50] Speaker 1: rapture Limerick. Okay, this is gonna be good. They claimed
[4:06:54] Speaker 1: we'd be left here in pain while they'd scratch a
[4:06:57] Speaker 1: fast heavenly rain. But the whistle was fake, and the
[4:07:00] Speaker 1: trip the trips of mistake. Now we're all here stuck together,
[4:07:05] Speaker 1: so lame. Now we're all stuck together, so lame.
[4:07:09] Speaker 10: I liked it.
[4:07:10] Speaker 1: I think that the end could use some work, but
[4:07:12] Speaker 1: I did like it. We are kind of stuck here,
[4:07:15] Speaker 1: but like the part that needed to go away so
[4:07:18] Speaker 1: that we were stuck together didn't go away yet. But
[4:07:22] Speaker 1: we're gonna get there. If we don't eradicate Christianity, maybe
[4:07:26] Speaker 1: they'll get raptured.
[4:07:27] Speaker 3: We'll see.
[4:07:28] Speaker 1: Nathan says, Hey, Justin, you are my favorite content creator.
[4:07:30] Speaker 1: Today is my birthday. I'm thirty nine. Rock hard for Doug.
[4:07:34] Speaker 1: Cheers to everyone for tonight we drink. Nathan, I hope
[4:07:38] Speaker 1: you are enjoying your imbibing. I hope this is the
[4:07:41] Speaker 1: best birthday in bibing you've ever encountered. And pray to
[4:07:45] Speaker 1: Doug for your headaches to not be rock hard tomorrow. Fosco,
[4:07:50] Speaker 1: thank you for the ten dollars. Superjest says, grew up
[4:07:52] Speaker 1: in a fundamentalist house that became messianic. That happened a lot.
[4:07:56] Speaker 1: Actually I deconstructed when I was fifteen. There's more. There's more. Actually, yeah,
[4:08:03] Speaker 1: we have to get chet involved sometimes. I was fifteen
[4:08:06] Speaker 1: because of many of the same arguments you use you
[4:08:10] Speaker 1: and Ian have filled a void Hitchens left. I'm tickled
[4:08:15] Speaker 1: that anyone would include me in the same phrase as Hitchins.
[4:08:17] Speaker 1: But I really appreciate the sentiment.
[4:08:21] Speaker 3: Listen as great as Hitchins was, Dude, I think you're
[4:08:25] Speaker 3: like leagues above Hitchins.
[4:08:27] Speaker 1: We'll find out. Time will tell. I appreciate the vote
[4:08:30] Speaker 1: of confidence, though, friends, Jackson, thank you for the fiduction.
[4:08:33] Speaker 1: It says you should always grant them that the disciples
[4:08:36] Speaker 1: died for their beliefs. Then ask about the people who
[4:08:39] Speaker 1: lived or who died modern day cults. That makes their
[4:08:43] Speaker 1: callt real. So this is actually a good thing we
[4:08:45] Speaker 1: could do. We could say, okay, if you we could
[4:08:48] Speaker 1: grant it. If you die for your religion, if you
[4:08:50] Speaker 1: murder for your religion, your religion must be true. Well,
[4:08:53] Speaker 1: in that case, then that means all these other religions
[4:08:55] Speaker 1: are true. We could run that argument.
[4:08:57] Speaker 3: I already know the counter apologic. They'd say, well, they
[4:09:01] Speaker 3: they're not privileged to know whether not the whether whether
[4:09:04] Speaker 3: they believe is true or not. The apostles would have
[4:09:06] Speaker 3: known because they were.
[4:09:08] Speaker 1: It will definitely be a special pleading for sure, Corvin,
[4:09:12] Speaker 1: thank you for this. Six sixty six Hell Nero says
[4:09:15] Speaker 1: AI will either destroy us or create a utopia we
[4:09:18] Speaker 1: can't imagine. Can the Bible be reasonably interpreted to support
[4:09:22] Speaker 1: either of these outcomes? No, there's nothing in the Bible
[4:09:25] Speaker 1: about Ai, no matter what anyone tells you. This not
[4:09:27] Speaker 1: an AI book. But good question, Corvin. I appreciate that,
[4:09:30] Speaker 1: and another six hundred and six sixty six. Thank you
[4:09:33] Speaker 1: so much, Philip, hail Satan this time? Can I become
[4:09:36] Speaker 1: competent a Hebrew without going to bibles? So fucking a
[4:09:39] Speaker 1: you can, Dalton, did it? I want to prove to
[4:09:42] Speaker 1: my family and peers and I am not just apathetic.
[4:09:45] Speaker 1: You're not. You can start by using like a Rosetta
[4:09:48] Speaker 1: stone or duo lingo. You can learn a Hebrew. If
[4:09:52] Speaker 1: you want to learn biblical Hebrew, you really have to
[4:09:54] Speaker 1: start with an actual text. I like to text by
[4:09:57] Speaker 1: practico basics of biblical Hebrew, but there are others. There's
[4:10:01] Speaker 1: lots of ways to learn biblical Hebrew.
[4:10:03] Speaker 3: I just learned the alphabet, I learned basic nouns and verbs,
[4:10:07] Speaker 3: and that I bought an English Hebrew Bible and just
[4:10:10] Speaker 3: spread it like no one's business. And then a Bible
[4:10:13] Speaker 3: that was only Hebrew in order to force myself to
[4:10:15] Speaker 3: eat it. So, but there are probably better ways.
[4:10:19] Speaker 1: Repetition is the key. If you don't practice it every day,
[4:10:23] Speaker 1: it's hard to get good, and speaking and reading it
[4:10:26] Speaker 1: two different things. What you're trying to do, start easy
[4:10:30] Speaker 1: and learn to read it. Don't worry about trying to
[4:10:32] Speaker 1: speak everything right away. Tim thinking for the super jest, says,
[4:10:35] Speaker 1: if the wine is the blood of Christ, and you
[4:10:38] Speaker 1: cannot get blood from a stone, what will doug Ice
[4:10:41] Speaker 1: use for communion? Kool aid pun intended. Oh, first of all,
[4:10:46] Speaker 1: I appreciate that it's good fun, but no, there are
[4:10:49] Speaker 1: actually stones that do contain water molecules as it's been
[4:10:55] Speaker 1: as it's been dubbed that they actually hold waters necessarily, true,
[4:11:01] Speaker 1: they hold the molecules required to make water, so it's
[4:11:06] Speaker 1: not quite the same. But there are stones for sure
[4:11:09] Speaker 1: that can release water. In fact, sometimes if you open
[4:11:14] Speaker 1: like a like an aggat, sometimes, isn't their moisture on
[4:11:17] Speaker 1: the inside of an egg?
[4:11:20] Speaker 3: Yeah, they sweat, for sure, the moisture caught in it releases,
[4:11:25] Speaker 3: but not like not like Moses.
[4:11:27] Speaker 1: But still yeah, So go ahead, enjoy the moisture of
[4:11:32] Speaker 1: doug or in Thank you so much for the supertest
[4:11:35] Speaker 1: says Sharon is the only god in clouds because she's moist. Yes, indeed,
[4:11:41] Speaker 1: shared she the goddess of moisteness. This is gonna get bad. Duane,
[4:11:48] Speaker 1: thank you for the six to one six. Hail Nero
[4:11:50] Speaker 1: says how mainstream were original Sin and the Trinity before
[4:11:54] Speaker 1: the Council made it official fourth century? Was it common
[4:11:57] Speaker 1: to not believe in those? That's a good question. I
[4:11:59] Speaker 1: never research the pre nice In or the anti Nicean
[4:12:04] Speaker 1: concept of original sin. It kind of seems like it
[4:12:08] Speaker 1: developed around the same time as the writing of the
[4:12:10] Speaker 1: Book of Hebrews. I can't guarantee it, but my guess
[4:12:16] Speaker 1: is that there are some early documents that refer to
[4:12:18] Speaker 1: it that we could reference. I just haven't done it yet,
[4:12:21] Speaker 1: but that's a good question. Duane, shoot me a DM
[4:12:24] Speaker 1: on discord because I'd love to have a reminder to
[4:12:27] Speaker 1: look into this. I can definitely look into it. Mere Banana,
[4:12:31] Speaker 1: thank you for five hour Superchest says, can you stop
[4:12:33] Speaker 1: being selfish with your time and start streaming twenty hours
[4:12:36] Speaker 1: per day? I need your content on speed dial? Bad dog,
[4:12:41] Speaker 1: you cold as hell. I'm sorry Meer Banana. I'd stream
[4:12:44] Speaker 1: longer if I could but the reality is I can't.
[4:12:48] Speaker 1: I do what I can, though, I promise I'll stream
[4:12:51] Speaker 1: as much as I can. Thank you for the superchet though,
[4:12:55] Speaker 1: and Adam says, please add his what to the soundboard.
[4:12:59] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I do need to add that to the soundboard.
[4:13:02] Speaker 1: I did add some new stuff to the soundboard recently.
[4:13:04] Speaker 1: I've got there's no crying in baseball, I've got emotional damage.
[4:13:09] Speaker 1: I've got John Cena. But you're right, there are some
[4:13:11] Speaker 1: things sometimes the guests will say that should be added
[4:13:15] Speaker 1: to the soundboard. What the work on that? Good question
[4:13:18] Speaker 1: says for your favorite beverage tomorrow, Thank you, good question.
[4:13:22] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I will definitely have a Kraken or
[4:13:26] Speaker 1: a tequila or something delicious on your behalf. I appreciate that. Friend,
[4:13:31] Speaker 1: and doctor Fudge, thank you for the ten dollars. Super
[4:13:33] Speaker 1: jest says Doug. Communion wafers should be silicon wafers. Oh,
[4:13:37] Speaker 1: that's a good idea. I could hook you up. They're
[4:13:40] Speaker 1: like ten grade each, but sacrifices much made. I don't
[4:13:45] Speaker 1: know if I need that, friend. I can take a
[4:13:48] Speaker 1: part a CPU most likely and get a waifer. Don't
[4:13:51] Speaker 1: worry about sending me ten thousand dollars worth of silicon.
[4:13:54] Speaker 1: I'm good, I'm good. Thank you though, and Bluebird thank
[4:13:57] Speaker 1: you for the ten dollars. Super Jet says, thank you all.
[4:13:59] Speaker 1: Great to see my favorites tonight, Sarah, Dalton and Jay
[4:14:02] Speaker 1: of course much love. Well, thank you Bluebird really appreciate that.
[4:14:05] Speaker 1: And Dalton and Sarah are amazing. They're amazing creators. If
[4:14:08] Speaker 1: you're not following both of them, Doug is sad. Dumble Dad,
[4:14:12] Speaker 1: thank you for the fight hour, super Chest says, never
[4:14:14] Speaker 1: stop big love from Australia. Well, Double Dad, I won't.
[4:14:18] Speaker 1: I won't be stopping. I will never stop doing this,
[4:14:21] Speaker 1: Double Dad again, thank you so much for the additional says,
[4:14:23] Speaker 1: I too, went to seminary, not getting that time back.
[4:14:26] Speaker 1: I can now contemplate my own existence in dead languages though,
[4:14:30] Speaker 1: So there's that I know, Double Dad. There's a lot
[4:14:33] Speaker 1: of people that deconstructed and left in Bible. Collegers, seminary,
[4:14:37] Speaker 1: You're you're not alone. You are not alone, my friend.
[4:14:39] Speaker 1: I'd love some time to have a conversation offline about
[4:14:41] Speaker 1: your deconstruction during seminary or post seminary. I'd be curious
[4:14:47] Speaker 1: to know what the sticky points were for you. Now
[4:14:50] Speaker 1: that said, that's all of our super chats. Yeah topemeo.
[4:14:53] Speaker 1: That's a very good friends. So that's the end of
[4:14:57] Speaker 1: the livestream.
[4:14:57] Speaker 4: Friends.
[4:14:58] Speaker 1: Sorry we couldn't do a late one tonight, but we're
[4:15:00] Speaker 1: we're going to go to Sarah's live stream. She should
[4:15:02] Speaker 1: be live right now. Her handle is at leaving Faith.
[4:15:06] Speaker 1: Throw it in the comments at Leaving Faith. Friends, go
[4:15:09] Speaker 1: raid Sarah's live stream. I'll be over there in just
[4:15:12] Speaker 1: a few moments to chirp in the comments and before
[4:15:14] Speaker 1: I go to bed. Thank you so much for being here, friends,
[4:15:17] Speaker 1: Thank you for all the likes and shares and support
[4:15:19] Speaker 1: and supers and Dalton, thank you for being here as well, my.
[4:15:22] Speaker 3: Friend, happy to be here. Shull up.
[4:15:26] Speaker 1: Cheers friends,

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