# 2025-07-09 LIVE DEBATE \[God is Imaginary\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 28 Sep 2025, 5 h 05 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: I've here in just a second, I think all the
[0:02] Speaker 1: streams are open. It looks like looks like the TikTok stream,
[0:07] Speaker 1: both of our YouTube streams, our Facebook stream, and to
[0:10] Speaker 1: twitch stream all appear to be up and running. So
[0:14] Speaker 1: welcome in friends. We have another daytime barbecue, so looking
[0:20] Speaker 1: forward to some enlightening conversations today. I'm sure that's exactly
[0:25] Speaker 1: what all the guests will be. I'm sure they'll be
[0:28] Speaker 1: quite well mannered and enlightening, so it should be exciting.
[0:32] Speaker 1: Atheistic preacher, good to see it, my friend, we got
[0:36] Speaker 1: a bunch of people filing in. I've I'm I always
[0:40] Speaker 1: forget to turn my phone off until I start hearing
[0:42] Speaker 1: the noise coming back at me. Anyways, welcome in, friends.
[0:47] Speaker 1: It's great to see everyone all ri Great to see
[0:49] Speaker 1: your friend Bad Religion. Great to see you as well.
[0:52] Speaker 1: Great to see everyone here. Literally, Jesus is with us again,
[0:55] Speaker 1: so great to see you, Jesus, Master Blaster. Good to
[0:59] Speaker 1: see a friend. Be Boop is with us in the house.
[1:01] Speaker 1: Good to see a bee Boop Banshee, Mama shaft Nuts.
[1:06] Speaker 1: Great to see everybody. Hannibal's mothers with us today as well,
[1:10] Speaker 1: So it should be a lot of fun.
[1:12] Speaker 2: Friends. We just the live stream open.
[1:15] Speaker 1: If you're watching and you think I'm wrong and you
[1:18] Speaker 1: want to prove me wrong, there's a link on the
[1:20] Speaker 1: screen that you can go to, or you can request
[1:23] Speaker 1: up using TikTok. You can use the TikTok guest request
[1:25] Speaker 1: and you can request right up on TikTok without using
[1:28] Speaker 1: the link provided on the screen. Also provided in the
[1:32] Speaker 1: description of the video. Jereb says, love the schedule, Well,
[1:37] Speaker 1: you know, for the summer, this is my schedule. So
[1:39] Speaker 1: I'm doing daytime streams here over the summer until about
[1:43] Speaker 1: mid August, when my son goes back to school. I'll
[1:47] Speaker 1: be able to do some evening streams again, not every evening,
[1:51] Speaker 1: but I'll be doing more evening streams. But anyways, during
[1:54] Speaker 1: the summer, I'm gonna be doing morning streams. I'm spending
[1:59] Speaker 1: all my evenings with my son. So that's what the
[2:02] Speaker 1: summer schedule is going to be. Last summer, I wasn't
[2:05] Speaker 1: actually wasn't actually capable of doing a lot of day's
[2:09] Speaker 1: day streams because I was working.
[2:10] Speaker 2: So now we're just doing this, Chris, we are cooking.
[2:14] Speaker 1: Thank you. Also, Justin is an arrant bider. I don't
[2:18] Speaker 1: know if that's the case. I'm sure I've been wrong.
[2:22] Speaker 1: I am sure I've been wrong before. But we should
[2:25] Speaker 1: everything rock and rolling pretty soon. Those streams are all open.
[2:28] Speaker 1: We should have some opposition. Be Boop, my friend, thank
[2:30] Speaker 1: you so much for the super chat. Bee Boop says,
[2:32] Speaker 1: how d Z much love and rock hard for Doug. Well, hey,
[2:36] Speaker 1: thank you so much. I really appreciate that, bee Boop. Anyhow,
[2:41] Speaker 1: always be rock hard for Doug. I you know I
[2:44] Speaker 1: approve of this sediment, So don't be flaccid for Doug. Friends,
[2:48] Speaker 1: and Krill my friend, great to see in the house,
[2:50] Speaker 1: Kril says, God damn, or should I say Doug dam
[2:53] Speaker 1: Two days in a row. We're blessed. Well, we're gonna
[2:56] Speaker 1: be alive a lot during the summer, so anyway, I'm
[3:00] Speaker 1: glad that we could do two days in a row
[3:02] Speaker 1: for you, Krilla, and I hope you enjoy it. And yes,
[3:05] Speaker 1: I've actually converted on my phone to do an OMD
[3:09] Speaker 1: and OMFD rather than OMG, because Doug is the grounding
[3:13] Speaker 1: of the foundation for all things. So all right, we
[3:16] Speaker 1: got a guest in our TikTok Q. We'll bring in
[3:20] Speaker 1: our first guest welcome in snake.
[3:28] Speaker 3: Hey, how you doing justin doing good the snake?
[3:31] Speaker 2: Are you at least eighteen? And are you believer?
[3:35] Speaker 3: I'm actually not a believer. I'm forty three.
[3:38] Speaker 1: Okay, did you have a question?
[3:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, I just had a question.
[3:44] Speaker 4: Since I know that your knowledge base is very vast
[3:46] Speaker 4: compared to a lot of people on here, I'm trying
[3:49] Speaker 4: to debate that I've been torn between the thought about
[3:53] Speaker 4: being saved and whatnot, which is why I'm on the
[3:55] Speaker 4: line of actually having any kind of these believing or not.
[4:01] Speaker 4: I mean, my main concern is going to be once
[4:03] Speaker 4: we're saved. I mean, since you might have a better
[4:05] Speaker 4: answer to this. Once you're saved and you're in the
[4:07] Speaker 4: glory land and you're in spirit with the ultimate Being
[4:11] Speaker 4: and you're there in worship, what happens if you have
[4:14] Speaker 4: a change of mind all of a sudden you're not
[4:16] Speaker 4: in agreeance to what's going on around you. You're just
[4:19] Speaker 4: not content and you don't decide to be part of
[4:22] Speaker 4: that anymore. Like, is there any way you can go
[4:23] Speaker 4: to maybe the bouncer at the door and sun of anybody?
[4:26] Speaker 3: I need out?
[4:27] Speaker 5: You have like a thirty day trial anything like that?
[4:30] Speaker 5: Or are you stuck in having forre eturnity.
[4:32] Speaker 1: No. I mean so if you believe that God gives
[4:35] Speaker 1: you free will, because according to what Christians will tell you,
[4:39] Speaker 1: you have to have free will. And if that's the case,
[4:42] Speaker 1: then that includes free will to leave. It also seems
[4:45] Speaker 1: to be in accordance with what we find in Hebrews six,
[4:49] Speaker 1: Chapter six, verse four, and five says, for it is
[4:54] Speaker 1: impossible to restore again to repentance those who have once
[4:57] Speaker 1: been enlightened and have tasted the heavenly gift shared in
[5:00] Speaker 1: the Holy Spirit, and have tasted the good word of
[5:03] Speaker 1: God and the powers of the age you come, and
[5:05] Speaker 1: then have fallen away since they are crucified I'm sorry,
[5:08] Speaker 1: crucifying again the son of God to their own harm
[5:12] Speaker 1: and holding him up to contempt. So, according to the
[5:14] Speaker 1: author of Hebrews, you can be a believer. You can
[5:17] Speaker 1: be a Christian and then fall away. It's just that
[5:20] Speaker 1: if you do that, then you're no longer allowed back.
[5:25] Speaker 4: Right right right, You're no longer going to be allowed
[5:27] Speaker 4: into the Promised Land, which is.
[5:29] Speaker 1: Kind of weird because either way you look at it,
[5:32] Speaker 1: God is revoking your free will. Option number one, you're
[5:36] Speaker 1: a Christian forever, which means he revokes your free will.
[5:39] Speaker 1: Option number two, once you decide against it, you can
[5:43] Speaker 1: never change your mind and come back to it, which again,
[5:46] Speaker 1: you know, eliminate your free will. So anytime Christians bring
[5:50] Speaker 1: up these nonsense arguments about once saved, always saved or whatever,
[5:54] Speaker 1: just remind them that no matter how you look at this,
[5:56] Speaker 1: God is okay with taking away your free will. So
[5:59] Speaker 1: your free will, well, at that point they have to
[6:01] Speaker 1: like they have to pick what edge of the sword
[6:04] Speaker 1: they want to get cut with. Do they want to
[6:05] Speaker 1: get cut with you were never a Christian? Or do
[6:07] Speaker 1: they want to get cut with God doesn't care about
[6:10] Speaker 1: your free will?
[6:13] Speaker 3: Right?
[6:13] Speaker 6: Right? Right?
[6:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, very well explained, man.
[6:15] Speaker 5: I appreciate that.
[6:16] Speaker 4: And I just saw your video on the whole King
[6:18] Speaker 4: James and the Bishop's Bible, and that's interesting, man, that
[6:22] Speaker 4: that really makes.
[6:22] Speaker 5: You wonder a lot of things.
[6:23] Speaker 7: And I'm not.
[6:24] Speaker 4: Sure how people don't look into these things a little
[6:27] Speaker 4: deeper before they go out there, and they, you know,
[6:30] Speaker 4: absolutely feel like what they're reading is true and is
[6:34] Speaker 4: the word you know what I mean, it's crazy.
[6:37] Speaker 3: Well, I think crazy.
[6:38] Speaker 1: I think a lot of people don't know where to
[6:39] Speaker 1: look for answers. It's the classic problem of you don't
[6:44] Speaker 1: know what you don't know, and so for a lot
[6:48] Speaker 1: of people, if you have questions like, there's only a
[6:53] Speaker 1: few resources at your disposal to get answers, whereas once
[6:56] Speaker 1: you get like a proper education, you realize that they're
[6:59] Speaker 1: Even if you don't know all the answers, you know
[7:01] Speaker 1: where to go to get the answers.
[7:04] Speaker 5: Right right, you know where to go for resources, are right?
[7:06] Speaker 3: Yes?
[7:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, gotcha? Gotcha?
[7:08] Speaker 8: All right?
[7:08] Speaker 5: Man, I'm gonna drop down.
[7:09] Speaker 9: Man.
[7:10] Speaker 4: I'm not an off and I know you're looking for off,
[7:12] Speaker 4: but I appreciate you.
[7:13] Speaker 5: Having me up.
[7:13] Speaker 3: Man.
[7:13] Speaker 2: I truer Snake, have a great one, all right, w Snake.
[7:19] Speaker 1: Also, Ryan Bailey, thank you for the twenty dollars over
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[7:50] Speaker 1: guys make the channel possible. And Elt, I can't even
[7:55] Speaker 1: pronounce that. Let me try this, el ten elton Niddle.
[8:00] Speaker 1: Thank you for the fifty dollars super chat friend, it's
[8:01] Speaker 1: very generous, says First Live A pun Mastered entered her
[8:06] Speaker 1: ten best puns in a pun contest to see if
[8:08] Speaker 1: one will win first place. Unfortunately, no pun intended. Uh,
[8:14] Speaker 1: that's it's so bad, but so good. Thanks for all
[8:18] Speaker 1: your streams, cook them good. Well. Listen, Elt, that was
[8:21] Speaker 1: actually a really good pun. In fact, that might be
[8:23] Speaker 1: the punniest one I've heard in a long time. So
[8:26] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. As you know, I love words.
[8:30] Speaker 1: It's it pains me to my core when Christians want
[8:34] Speaker 1: to make words not mean words.
[8:35] Speaker 2: But here words actually have meanings. So thank you for
[8:38] Speaker 2: the pun.
[8:38] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. And Christian atheists, great to see you
[8:41] Speaker 1: as well, says what do you call rock that doesn't
[8:43] Speaker 1: attend school? A skipping stone? Fantastic classic, even it's a classic.
[8:50] Speaker 1: It's a good one, very very good. All right, we'll
[8:54] Speaker 1: do one or two more super chats. We'll get our
[8:55] Speaker 1: next guest master, Mars Mars the Cosmos. We'll get mars
[8:58] Speaker 1: in here. Ra says, it's hard to convince these Christians
[9:01] Speaker 1: that they have been deceived. It's like talking to the
[9:04] Speaker 1: fifth Wall. Ex. Christian here, bro here doing God's work.
[9:08] Speaker 1: Well this, I appreciate that, Revio, but you're right, because
[9:12] Speaker 1: it's easier to deceive somebody than to convince them that
[9:15] Speaker 1: they've been deceived.
[9:16] Speaker 2: That's almost always the case most people.
[9:19] Speaker 1: Once they find a message or a person that they trust,
[9:24] Speaker 1: then they stop questioning the information and then they become deceived.
[9:28] Speaker 1: Our last one from just a ranter, Great to see
[9:30] Speaker 1: a friend, Thank you for the ten that our super
[9:31] Speaker 1: chat says is Deuteronomy six sixteen about testing God's power
[9:36] Speaker 1: or patience. Obviously, the religion doesn't want you to test
[9:39] Speaker 1: his power because that proves he is bs. But I
[9:42] Speaker 1: wonder if that interpretation is out of context. So jud
[9:46] Speaker 1: on me sixteen is kind of a classic passage or
[9:49] Speaker 1: six sixteen. So there's like this, there's okay, there's this
[9:56] Speaker 1: idea from the Bible that you're not supposed to test God,
[9:58] Speaker 1: but it's not really what it means if you read
[10:01] Speaker 1: it in context.
[10:02] Speaker 2: In context, it's basically saying do not.
[10:06] Speaker 1: It's kind of like when you're acting up as a child,
[10:09] Speaker 1: and your dad was like, I'm going to get the
[10:12] Speaker 1: belt if you don't behave and don't test me on that.
[10:16] Speaker 2: That's kind of what it's saying here.
[10:18] Speaker 1: It's not saying that as a believer, you can't be
[10:20] Speaker 1: like God, I need a sign. That's not what's happening here.
[10:23] Speaker 1: This is about them being wicked and disobedient. If you
[10:26] Speaker 1: read the context, he says, because the Lord your God,
[10:28] Speaker 1: who is present with you, is a jealous God, the
[10:29] Speaker 1: anger of the Lord your God will be kindled against you,
[10:32] Speaker 1: and he would destroy you from the face of the earth.
[10:35] Speaker 1: So we talk about about punishing the Israelites for being wicked,
[10:38] Speaker 1: and he says, do not put the Lord God to
[10:40] Speaker 1: the test as you tested them at Massa, which was
[10:45] Speaker 1: greatly upseted the Lord in two different occasions while they're
[10:48] Speaker 1: in the desert. So what's happening here with the whole
[10:52] Speaker 1: idea of test is not that God said you can't
[10:54] Speaker 1: just test him. In fact, elsewhere in the Bible it
[10:56] Speaker 1: says to It literally says to test them in Malachi,
[11:02] Speaker 1: and it invites you to test him and taste and
[11:04] Speaker 1: see if he's good. So when we talk about don't
[11:08] Speaker 1: test the Lord. Most Christians don't understand what's happening here.
[11:11] Speaker 1: This is not saying that you can't. You know, see
[11:15] Speaker 1: if the shoes fit. If you know what I mean,
[11:17] Speaker 1: good question them. We'll get Mars up in the guest box.
[11:22] Speaker 1: Welcome in, Mars.
[11:25] Speaker 3: What's your name?
[11:25] Speaker 2: Man, Mars?
[11:26] Speaker 1: I'm justin. Do you want to be called Mars or
[11:28] Speaker 1: something else? You can call me?
[11:30] Speaker 3: Marquise's cool?
[11:31] Speaker 1: Okay, Marquis h Marquise. Are you at least eighteen? And
[11:34] Speaker 1: are you a believer?
[11:36] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[11:36] Speaker 10: I'm twenty five, and I guess I'm knowledgeable of beliefs,
[11:41] Speaker 10: so I mean, I wouldn't say.
[11:43] Speaker 3: I'm a believer. Do you have a really beyond that?
[11:48] Speaker 10: I guess Islam is like the current religion right now.
[11:51] Speaker 10: I'm going with the times here.
[11:53] Speaker 1: Have you been in multiples?
[11:56] Speaker 10: I was born in Christianity, but everybody matures.
[11:59] Speaker 3: So I've read the book and you.
[12:01] Speaker 1: Know, Bertram, thank you for the fireworks. I appreciate that. Okay, So, Marquise,
[12:06] Speaker 1: you used to be a Christian and now you're Muslim.
[12:10] Speaker 10: No, I'm not Muslim. I'm just saying Islam as the
[12:12] Speaker 10: current religion.
[12:13] Speaker 3: I'm asking you what you believe in.
[12:17] Speaker 10: I believe in this world, yeah, and it's people, so
[12:19] Speaker 10: that's just people.
[12:21] Speaker 1: But you'll believe in a god, right of course.
[12:23] Speaker 3: Let's start.
[12:24] Speaker 1: How does God have a name?
[12:26] Speaker 10: Helloheen with many other appethets over time?
[12:30] Speaker 1: Is the God a trinity or not a trinity?
[12:33] Speaker 10: There have been multiple triunes, but I mean it starts
[12:36] Speaker 10: with one primordial and then forward.
[12:38] Speaker 1: Right, But do you believe in a trinitarian god concept?
[12:42] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[12:42] Speaker 10: Of course, I just said there are multiple triuns they've
[12:44] Speaker 10: been trying in Greek mythology and everything.
[12:47] Speaker 1: Do you believe that Jesus is part of the trinity?
[12:50] Speaker 10: Jesus is the God of Christianity, but specifically and only
[12:53] Speaker 10: explicitly that there are other forms of God?
[12:57] Speaker 3: Okay, so do.
[12:59] Speaker 1: You believe in one trinity or multiple trinities?
[13:06] Speaker 10: I guess in that way, yeah, I would believe in
[13:07] Speaker 10: multiple trinities. There were multiple triunes over time, different mythology.
[13:12] Speaker 1: So you would also accept like the the Hindu trinity exactly,
[13:18] Speaker 1: So it starts there for me.
[13:19] Speaker 2: Okay, so you're a polytheist.
[13:22] Speaker 3: Everyone's a polytheist.
[13:24] Speaker 1: Well I'm not so anyways, at that point, don't you
[13:29] Speaker 1: polytheist polytheists. I believe in any gods. As it turns out,
[13:34] Speaker 1: I do have four grandparents, but I don't believe in
[13:36] Speaker 1: any God.
[13:38] Speaker 10: You don't have to believe in God to do that.
[13:39] Speaker 1: That's the definition of being a theist. In believing in
[13:46] Speaker 1: theism makes you a theist. I don't believe in theism.
[13:50] Speaker 1: I don't believe there's a God. So that makes me
[13:53] Speaker 1: atheist without a belief in God.
[13:56] Speaker 10: So you know how you know that that's just under
[13:58] Speaker 10: the umbrella of philosophy, and it's not.
[14:01] Speaker 1: Under the umbrella of anything. It's just definitions of words.
[14:04] Speaker 1: So or at the beginning of the conversation, which is
[14:08] Speaker 1: why would anyone at all, particularly myself, believe that there
[14:13] Speaker 1: is even one God, much less a plurality of your
[14:17] Speaker 1: person and.
[14:17] Speaker 10: A byproduct of creation, just as every other person.
[14:21] Speaker 1: Oh, I don't believe anything was created. I think the
[14:23] Speaker 1: universe is eternal. So what's the evidence that the universe
[14:26] Speaker 1: was created?
[14:28] Speaker 10: You're not speaking these words, don't come from the brain
[14:30] Speaker 10: that you used to think.
[14:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, just had emotions for you.
[14:35] Speaker 1: Try to follow along. Matter, space, and time in my worldview,
[14:38] Speaker 1: weren't created. I'm asking you if there is any evidence
[14:42] Speaker 1: that matter, space, and time was created.
[14:45] Speaker 10: Right, so light, sound, time, all the way things.
[14:49] Speaker 3: Right.
[14:50] Speaker 10: So because you're aware, that awareness, that animism, that being
[14:53] Speaker 10: that you are, which is valued regardless of your opinion,
[14:57] Speaker 10: is applied to every being in any nature.
[15:00] Speaker 1: We'll try this again. Do you have any evidence that matters, space,
[15:03] Speaker 1: and time were actually created? Like they didn't exist at
[15:06] Speaker 1: one point and then they came into an.
[15:07] Speaker 10: Answer having a conversation because I don't.
[15:10] Speaker 1: I'm trying to have a conversation with you, but it
[15:12] Speaker 1: seems like you're not capable.
[15:13] Speaker 10: Structure conversation or just a conversation.
[15:17] Speaker 1: It's called a conversation. And I'm asking you simple questions
[15:20] Speaker 1: about what you believe, and I'm asking you simple questions
[15:25] Speaker 1: why you believe those things, and you're not actually answering
[15:28] Speaker 1: the questions. So I'll just ask again, do you have
[15:31] Speaker 1: any evidence or any argumentation for your belief that there
[15:36] Speaker 1: was once nothing and then something came from nothing, or
[15:40] Speaker 1: any evidence at all that there even was a creation
[15:44] Speaker 1: event everything.
[15:46] Speaker 10: That is the fact that we are considering it. Right,
[15:48] Speaker 10: your process of consideration in my knowledge of your belief
[15:51] Speaker 10: or two different things. They're on two different scales. Right,
[15:54] Speaker 10: you believe in atheism.
[15:56] Speaker 3: Right? Is this what you're saying?
[15:57] Speaker 2: I don't believe in atheism?
[15:59] Speaker 1: It is some one is a lack of belief.
[16:02] Speaker 3: You're either atheist or you believe.
[16:04] Speaker 10: I don't believe in everything in between you. I don't
[16:06] Speaker 10: care if you're prolythists or not.
[16:07] Speaker 3: Of what type of religion you have? Are you atheist?
[16:09] Speaker 3: Yes or no? Do you believe in God?
[16:11] Speaker 1: You already know I'm an atheist. I already told you
[16:13] Speaker 1: twice that I don't believe in God. If you quit yapping,
[16:16] Speaker 1: you would have heard that already.
[16:17] Speaker 10: We're doing the same thing I said, I'll give you space,
[16:19] Speaker 10: so let me shut up.
[16:20] Speaker 1: For you didn't give me any space. That's why I
[16:22] Speaker 1: keep having to talk over you. If you don't talk
[16:24] Speaker 1: over me, I won't talk over you, but if you
[16:26] Speaker 1: talk over me, I'll definitely talk over you.
[16:29] Speaker 3: Okay. And where are we creating respect here?
[16:32] Speaker 2: Okay?
[16:32] Speaker 3: Because that's where we start?
[16:34] Speaker 1: Well, respect introduction. Respect is you're not talking.
[16:37] Speaker 10: Over me, right, we're both having a conversation, So we'll
[16:41] Speaker 10: start it.
[16:42] Speaker 2: So we'll start it square one. We'll start It's time.
[16:45] Speaker 1: You don't think you don't have to give you don't
[16:47] Speaker 1: have to give me space, it's my live stream.
[16:49] Speaker 10: Oh okay, that's the thing, right, because that's the self
[16:52] Speaker 10: proclaimed God that you believe in.
[16:53] Speaker 3: Which is your being's over.
[16:55] Speaker 1: I'm just gonna mute you. I don't know if you
[16:57] Speaker 1: know this, but yapping on this live stream is not
[16:59] Speaker 1: the thing to do. So I'm trying to have a
[17:02] Speaker 1: linear conversation about what you believe in, why you believe it,
[17:05] Speaker 1: and I still have not received a single answer for
[17:08] Speaker 1: a very easy question, which is do you have an
[17:11] Speaker 1: evidence or an argument that would lead one to conclude
[17:15] Speaker 1: that matter, space, and time was in fact created rather
[17:20] Speaker 1: than being eternal? Do you have anything of that nature?
[17:23] Speaker 1: One value, which is God being, which is any action?
[17:29] Speaker 1: So now right, knowing that you exist, existence exists, stop
[17:33] Speaker 1: questioning existence so we can actually have the conversation about
[17:36] Speaker 1: the imagining. I'm not questioning existence, I'm questioning your believers
[17:41] Speaker 1: of how existence came into being.
[17:43] Speaker 3: You don't know God, so you can't do anything but
[17:45] Speaker 3: questioning God.
[17:46] Speaker 1: I'm asking you on the spectrum of inquisition because okay, listen,
[17:50] Speaker 1: you are not intelligent enough to be on this platform.
[17:54] Speaker 1: I know quite literal preteens who can have a more
[17:57] Speaker 1: linear conversation than you. You're not equipped for this. I
[18:00] Speaker 1: don't know what grade you survived in school, but it's
[18:03] Speaker 1: clear that the educational system has failed you. So I'm
[18:07] Speaker 1: going to leave this conversation and move on to an
[18:09] Speaker 1: actual adult who can have a conversation, because you're not
[18:12] Speaker 1: capable and I'm not going to waste my energy anymore
[18:16] Speaker 1: on this particular conversation. Look at Joel crashing out artic
[18:20] Speaker 1: in the TikTok comments. Host is lost. No, I'm not, Joel.
[18:24] Speaker 1: You're just ignorant and you have no defense of your God.
[18:27] Speaker 1: Zero zero defensive for God. If I'm lost, you're welcome
[18:30] Speaker 1: to come and correct me. All right, I'm going to
[18:32] Speaker 1: get our next guest in here. And also, if you're
[18:35] Speaker 1: watching on anything butt TikTok, you can use the link
[18:39] Speaker 1: on the screen here and here to join the conversation.
[18:42] Speaker 1: You can also go to the description of the video
[18:46] Speaker 1: and you'll in fact see a link to join up
[18:49] Speaker 1: into the conversation. That being said, I'm not going to
[18:51] Speaker 1: bring in the next guest because they just ran. Apparently
[18:54] Speaker 1: God didn't give them the Holy spirits. Let me grab
[18:56] Speaker 1: a couple of super chats while we'll wait on the
[18:58] Speaker 1: next guest. To populate Texas paid Hitler. My friend great
[19:01] Speaker 1: to see you, Texas, says. Patreon is easy and set
[19:04] Speaker 1: it wait is easy to set and forget. I was
[19:07] Speaker 1: glad to sign up as soon as it was available.
[19:10] Speaker 1: We love you well. Thank you so much, Texas. I
[19:12] Speaker 1: really appreciate that. I appreciate signing up on the Patreon.
[19:15] Speaker 1: Patreon takes only a little tiny cut versus YouTube. YouTube
[19:18] Speaker 1: takes a big cut. If you sign up a Patreon,
[19:21] Speaker 1: you will get access to the cheat sheet, the live
[19:23] Speaker 1: cheat sheet and minute Man my friend great to see
[19:25] Speaker 1: you as well a minimum and says, hey, Justin, I
[19:27] Speaker 1: found a really good spicy ketchup at an Indian store
[19:30] Speaker 1: that will actually taste good on a hot dog. Please
[19:33] Speaker 1: avoid regular ketchup on hot dogs, please, Doug Well a minute, men, listen,
[19:37] Speaker 1: I love spice. Send me a picture, send me a
[19:40] Speaker 1: go on to the discord, send me a picture of
[19:42] Speaker 1: the spicy catchup. I will absolutely grab a bottle of
[19:45] Speaker 1: it and try it on a hot dog asap. So
[19:50] Speaker 1: I'm a big fan. I'm all for it. If you've
[19:53] Speaker 1: got a good spicy ketchup, I want part of it,
[19:56] Speaker 1: all right, give me one second. I gotta fix my
[19:58] Speaker 1: window real quick to grab the next super Chat. There
[20:01] Speaker 1: we go, Zakoul says, can't wait to be converted to
[20:04] Speaker 1: Christianity again. It was the cool listen. I don't suspect
[20:08] Speaker 1: you're in the right place for that. You and I
[20:10] Speaker 1: both know that's not gonna happen here. Thank you for
[20:13] Speaker 1: the super chat though, and Bernard says, yeah, justin just
[20:17] Speaker 1: sat down for lunch.
[20:18] Speaker 2: It's times.
[20:18] Speaker 1: It is lunchtime, friends, Open up your lunch sacks, get
[20:22] Speaker 1: your napkins and your water out, get ready to feast.
[20:25] Speaker 1: It's gonna be a good time. And Fosco, thank you
[20:27] Speaker 1: so much for the super chat. So it's been working
[20:29] Speaker 1: on my own parody theology Inverted Covenant. Paul was a
[20:34] Speaker 1: Satanist and his letters pull people away from the Old
[20:37] Speaker 1: Testament God. Actually, I agree with you. When you get
[20:39] Speaker 1: that finished, send it over to me. I wholeheartedly agree
[20:43] Speaker 1: with you on that sentiment. And son is my good friend.
[20:46] Speaker 1: Great to see you this morning. Thank you so much
[20:48] Speaker 1: for the five hundred ars. Big w all the way
[20:52] Speaker 1: to Argentine. Sona says, first time I catch you alive
[20:55] Speaker 1: from the beginning, happy cooking, and of course praise Doug
[20:58] Speaker 1: well Sona, I'm so glad to hear, and thank you
[21:00] Speaker 1: so much for watching the live stream, participating in the chat,
[21:03] Speaker 1: and being so generous and supporting this stream. I really
[21:05] Speaker 1: do appreciate that, friend, and Randy, thank you so much
[21:09] Speaker 1: for gifting out ten DZ debates memberships, ten more people
[21:14] Speaker 1: with access to the cheat sheet. Big w Randy. Great
[21:17] Speaker 1: to see your friend, Great to see you. Right, We're
[21:18] Speaker 1: going to get Bobby Z in the guest box next
[21:27] Speaker 1: welcome invite.
[21:30] Speaker 3: Hello, Thank you Bobby.
[21:32] Speaker 1: Are you at least eighteen? And are you a believer
[21:34] Speaker 1: in some kind of a God?
[21:37] Speaker 5: Yes?
[21:38] Speaker 11: I am in my fifties and I was baptized two.
[21:44] Speaker 7: Years ago.
[21:46] Speaker 5: For a second time, so yeah, the first time I
[21:49] Speaker 5: was Catholic.
[21:50] Speaker 2: Yep, first time didn't take I'm sure.
[21:52] Speaker 1: So what would be the evidence or the argument that
[21:58] Speaker 1: would lead one to believe that the Christian God is real?
[22:03] Speaker 5: All right?
[22:04] Speaker 3: So?
[22:05] Speaker 5: Uh, I have to explain it.
[22:07] Speaker 11: Like this, And I don't see God as a European
[22:11] Speaker 11: guy with a white beard.
[22:13] Speaker 5: To me, God represents an energy.
[22:17] Speaker 11: That is light, that that created everything right now when
[22:21] Speaker 11: a person.
[22:25] Speaker 5: Uh like I can't confirm nor deny that that's the
[22:29] Speaker 5: whole favorite.
[22:30] Speaker 11: So faith is based on like what you want to
[22:34] Speaker 11: believe in when there's no evidence of that.
[22:40] Speaker 1: Uh, photons, So God is photons.
[22:45] Speaker 5: It's a combination. God is everything.
[22:47] Speaker 11: So like everything around you, God made, including you.
[22:52] Speaker 1: But this I'm not asking what he made. I'm trying
[22:54] Speaker 1: to figure out what. I'm trying to figure out what
[22:55] Speaker 1: you think God is. So God is photons and God.
[22:59] Speaker 5: Is everything around you? God?
[23:02] Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I because God, God made us.
[23:07] Speaker 5: That's kind of sick, that's.
[23:10] Speaker 1: It's actually it's actually theologically significant. Do you want to
[23:13] Speaker 1: hear why?
[23:16] Speaker 5: Sure, go ahead.
[23:17] Speaker 9: Uh.
[23:17] Speaker 1: So coming into contact with feces for God is a
[23:21] Speaker 1: no no according to Deuteronomy twenty three. So your God
[23:25] Speaker 1: can't be everything because he says in Dudeonamy twenty three
[23:28] Speaker 1: that he literally can't even be around feces. So he's
[23:30] Speaker 1: certainly not my anus.
[23:34] Speaker 11: Fair enough, I never associated feces with God. But that's
[23:39] Speaker 11: that's a reality, right because I said everything he.
[23:41] Speaker 1: Did say everything?
[23:42] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah you did, I know so.
[23:45] Speaker 7: But check this out.
[23:46] Speaker 5: So one of the things that.
[23:48] Speaker 11: We believe is that God gave us free will. Right,
[23:50] Speaker 11: you have free will to not believe in God, and
[23:54] Speaker 11: that's fine.
[23:55] Speaker 5: I don't hate you for that.
[23:56] Speaker 11: I don't think you're going to go to some fiery
[23:58] Speaker 11: place in the after life, and that's not what I
[24:02] Speaker 11: view as God to be. Now, when we leave this world,
[24:06] Speaker 11: when we leave our bodies, then we'll find out for sure.
[24:10] Speaker 11: But until then, we can have a faith or we
[24:13] Speaker 11: cannot have a faith. If you don't want to believe it,
[24:15] Speaker 11: that's fine.
[24:16] Speaker 5: I respect you.
[24:18] Speaker 1: My desire has nothing to do with wanting to believe
[24:20] Speaker 1: in God. I want to believe in things that are true.
[24:22] Speaker 1: Do you have any evidence or an argument that would
[24:24] Speaker 1: lead one to conclude that your God is true? Like
[24:26] Speaker 1: it actually exists?
[24:30] Speaker 5: Like I said, it's faith.
[24:31] Speaker 11: So if you have faith in something that you can't see,
[24:34] Speaker 11: and that's that's what so, Yeah, I mean obviously you don't.
[24:37] Speaker 11: I don't need to have evidence, just like you don't
[24:40] Speaker 11: have evidence that he doesn't exist.
[24:42] Speaker 1: If I have faith that you live in your mom's
[24:44] Speaker 1: basement and you beat her if he doesn't get dinner
[24:46] Speaker 1: on the table by five, is that a true thing
[24:48] Speaker 1: to believe in?
[24:50] Speaker 5: If you want to believe that, that's sure, you can
[24:52] Speaker 5: believe that.
[24:53] Speaker 2: Do you think it's dangerous to believe things that are
[24:54] Speaker 2: not true?
[24:56] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[24:57] Speaker 5: But you can't confirm that like you can still living.
[25:01] Speaker 1: No, I just have to have faith. I don't need evidence.
[25:03] Speaker 1: You already told me, right right, Okay, So I just
[25:06] Speaker 1: need faith. Okay, So if you can give me your whereabouts,
[25:09] Speaker 1: I'm going to get the police on the phone. Let
[25:10] Speaker 1: him know that there's a DV case at hand. What
[25:13] Speaker 1: the hell is a DV domestic violence?
[25:19] Speaker 5: You're a funny guy. So do you hear somebody getting DV?
[25:23] Speaker 2: No, I have faith that it happens.
[25:24] Speaker 5: Though, Oh, well that'd be that'd be a false accusation then.
[25:28] Speaker 1: But no, but I have faith in it, and you'd
[25:30] Speaker 1: be making a false report. But I have faith in it,
[25:35] Speaker 1: Then go ahead and do it. Okay.
[25:38] Speaker 2: So you don't have an argument for God. You just
[25:40] Speaker 2: believe anyways.
[25:42] Speaker 5: Yeah, there there is no proof, so it's I'm just latting.
[25:44] Speaker 5: You know that I believe that. That's faith.
[25:49] Speaker 1: Agree that? Yeah, we agree. You believe in things with
[25:53] Speaker 1: without evidence and I don't.
[25:55] Speaker 5: So yeah, and there you go. But thank you for
[25:58] Speaker 5: letting me come out. He loves you.
[26:01] Speaker 1: No, he doesn't.
[26:02] Speaker 2: He doesn't exist. Now he doesn't. You're a clown.
[26:07] Speaker 1: Okay, moving on, I'll grab a couple more super chests.
[26:09] Speaker 1: We'll get our next guest in the cue. Looks like
[26:11] Speaker 1: Max is coming up from YouTube. Laura says, love y'all,
[26:15] Speaker 1: great mod's chat. Well, thank you so much, Laura. Great
[26:17] Speaker 1: to see your friend. Good to see it in a
[26:20] Speaker 1: daytime stream. And Rastaman says, justified true belief is my
[26:26] Speaker 1: new epistemological stance. This is fantastic. Thank you, Rastavin. I
[26:31] Speaker 1: appreciate that. We see if I could use that in
[26:33] Speaker 1: a sentence at some point. And Tim says, you can
[26:37] Speaker 1: lead a horticulture, but you can't make her think, oh shit,
[26:45] Speaker 1: that's a good use of words. Okay, for those who
[26:49] Speaker 1: didn't get that joke, just say the word horticulture a
[26:52] Speaker 1: few times and you'll figure it out. Amazing joke. This,
[26:56] Speaker 1: that's that's a great a joke. Randy says, I'm in
[27:00] Speaker 1: us with your patients, with some of these guests. Randy, listen,
[27:03] Speaker 1: it's hard some days, it really is. I really appreciate
[27:05] Speaker 1: you supporting the stream and being here and watching it,
[27:08] Speaker 1: but you know, eventually one of these knuckleheads is going
[27:10] Speaker 1: to make me lose my cool.
[27:13] Speaker 2: It's not easy.
[27:13] Speaker 1: Friend. And Richard Cox's amazing name. Thank you so much
[27:17] Speaker 1: for the ten. That was supertest as my husband was
[27:19] Speaker 1: a pastor for over thirty years now he's an atheist. Yeah,
[27:22] Speaker 1: there's a lot of us. Actually, he believes Christianity is mythology.
[27:26] Speaker 1: He has always believed it is mythology, even when he
[27:28] Speaker 1: was preaching. He is eighty six now. Well, big dubs
[27:32] Speaker 1: Richard for your husband being honest with the book because
[27:34] Speaker 1: it is mythology, and thanks for sharing. I appreciate that
[27:37] Speaker 1: there's a lot of ex pastors in the atheist space.
[27:41] Speaker 2: And for a good reason.
[27:42] Speaker 1: We're the ones that are the most knowledgeable and trained
[27:45] Speaker 1: on the book quite typically. And Miko says, trying a
[27:48] Speaker 1: superchat live, Have I fixed it? Miko? There is a
[27:52] Speaker 1: super chat on the screen with your name, which means
[27:54] Speaker 1: you've figured it out, my friend. Thank you so much
[27:56] Speaker 1: for supporting the stream. And Sentry says, appreciate the UK
[27:59] Speaker 1: friendly live time. Hope you are good dude. Hail Satan.
[28:03] Speaker 1: I agree, Hail Satan. And also I should be live
[28:08] Speaker 1: in the fall. I'm going to go back to my
[28:09] Speaker 1: nighttime schedule in the fall, but I'm gonna be live
[28:12] Speaker 1: like one or two days a week in the fall
[28:13] Speaker 1: during the daytime. For those that are in different time zones,
[28:16] Speaker 1: so we'll keep some daytime streams moving forward. And Miko
[28:20] Speaker 1: coming again said, I fixed it three days trying to
[28:22] Speaker 1: fix that whot's sy you got to fix twice now,
[28:26] Speaker 1: so I Rogers says, thank you for doing awesome and
[28:29] Speaker 1: important work. Keep pushing, Doug, best wishes from Norway. Well,
[28:32] Speaker 1: thank you so so much for the super child all
[28:35] Speaker 1: the way from Norway. Hope you're enjoying the weather and
[28:39] Speaker 1: actually having healthcare over there, big w And Kac says,
[28:44] Speaker 1: would you try wood for Reserve double oaked or Maker's
[28:46] Speaker 1: Mark forty six bourbons on stream? There are some of
[28:49] Speaker 1: my faves, and I know how you like your crackering. Okay,
[28:52] Speaker 1: so kaker Room first of all the answers, yes, and
[28:55] Speaker 1: I love both of them.
[28:56] Speaker 2: I already had both of those, but this is a
[28:58] Speaker 2: good point.
[28:59] Speaker 1: I would maybe I should start integrating some tasting on
[29:02] Speaker 1: the live stream and doing live reviews during the stream,
[29:05] Speaker 1: just for fun, because I love whiskies, all of them.
[29:09] Speaker 1: Every time I go to a new location, I try
[29:10] Speaker 1: to find a local whiskey I've never had. It's really
[29:13] Speaker 1: good stuff. Thank you for supporting too Matrix last one Matrix,
[29:16] Speaker 1: thank you for the super chat. My good friend all
[29:18] Speaker 1: the way from Canada says respect you love your work.
[29:21] Speaker 1: Former Christian praise Doug, almighty, am current flirt on what
[29:24] Speaker 1: you're currently a flurf actual scientific truth, realm is stationary, measurably,
[29:33] Speaker 1: provably and extended topographical plane. Nasaize, Well, you'd be completely wrong.
[29:38] Speaker 1: And it pains me that you grew up in Canada,
[29:40] Speaker 1: where they have a real educational system. But listen, flat
[29:45] Speaker 1: Earth is a lie. This just as silly as believing
[29:47] Speaker 1: in sky fairies. I hope one day you can leave
[29:51] Speaker 1: your flurf cult. Okay, let's get Max in the in
[29:54] Speaker 1: the box. How you doing, Max?
[30:00] Speaker 3: Max? Are you a believer? Doug?
[30:02] Speaker 7: What's up? Brother?
[30:04] Speaker 1: Not too much? How you doing?
[30:06] Speaker 7: I'm good man. Last time I called you hung up
[30:08] Speaker 7: on me.
[30:08] Speaker 1: Probably it might happen a second time. So Max, are
[30:12] Speaker 1: you a believer?
[30:13] Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm gonna believe.
[30:14] Speaker 1: I asked some questions, But what God do you believe in?
[30:17] Speaker 2: I kind of forgot.
[30:18] Speaker 7: We uh, we had we discussion.
[30:20] Speaker 12: I'm a I'm a I believe in the God of
[30:22] Speaker 12: the Bible, the Abrahamic religions.
[30:24] Speaker 2: Right, and what did we discuss last time you were up.
[30:27] Speaker 12: We discussed a lot of things, and it was we
[30:31] Speaker 12: discussed mainly what what we the threshold that we that
[30:36] Speaker 12: we started to disagree on. We were talking about uh
[30:41] Speaker 12: predestination and you were I believe it was Ephesians four.
[30:45] Speaker 7: I believe you're you're from. But I didn't want to.
[30:48] Speaker 3: But I didn't want to.
[30:49] Speaker 7: I don't want to.
[30:49] Speaker 12: I don't see I don't want to. I just asked
[30:51] Speaker 12: some I just want to ask your opinions on a
[30:54] Speaker 12: couple of things, if that's cool. I didn't want to
[30:56] Speaker 12: get into it, but I just want to.
[30:57] Speaker 9: I want to.
[30:58] Speaker 7: I'm interested just on your insight on so in pains
[31:00] Speaker 7: as the atheists.
[31:01] Speaker 1: Fair enough, go ahead.
[31:03] Speaker 7: So what are you do? You believe anything in the
[31:07] Speaker 7: Bible is true? You believe any particular of your hit.
[31:12] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot of events in the Bible that
[31:13] Speaker 1: I know are true. For example, the idea that a
[31:16] Speaker 1: bunch of Hebrews went down into Egypt to avoid being
[31:21] Speaker 1: slaughtered by the Babylonians.
[31:22] Speaker 2: We know that to be true.
[31:23] Speaker 1: We've got an Egyptian or a Hebrew settlement in Elephantine.
[31:28] Speaker 1: It was also true to the Babylonians, and Kenezer did
[31:31] Speaker 1: invade Judea and ransacked the place and destroy the temple.
[31:35] Speaker 1: It's like a lot of the historical counts in the
[31:37] Speaker 1: books of Kings seemed to be true, and it seems
[31:40] Speaker 1: to also be the case that there were in fact
[31:42] Speaker 1: twelve or thirteen tribes in the land, and that, like
[31:45] Speaker 1: King David seems to be a real person mo Ab,
[31:50] Speaker 1: it was a real location that actually made made war
[31:53] Speaker 1: with Israel.
[31:55] Speaker 5: Cool.
[31:56] Speaker 7: Cool.
[31:56] Speaker 12: So how do you feel when you hear certain atheists
[31:58] Speaker 12: say that like the Bible is just all fair details
[32:00] Speaker 12: and none of it's true. Like, how do you feel
[32:02] Speaker 12: about when you you know certain atheists will say.
[32:05] Speaker 1: That, well, I don't really worry about what other atheists
[32:08] Speaker 1: are saying. I only worry about my own particular viewpoint,
[32:11] Speaker 1: like I don't police the atheist community. But typically most
[32:15] Speaker 1: atheists who say that kind of thing are being a
[32:17] Speaker 1: little bit hyperbolic. If you press them a little bit,
[32:20] Speaker 1: most of them will admit that there are some things
[32:22] Speaker 1: in the Bible that appear to be true history.
[32:25] Speaker 3: Nice.
[32:26] Speaker 7: Nice.
[32:27] Speaker 12: How do you do you have any thoughts on how
[32:28] Speaker 12: you believe the universe actually began?
[32:31] Speaker 1: I don't think it did begin.
[32:34] Speaker 7: What are your thoughts in a Big Bang.
[32:35] Speaker 1: I think the Big Bang has nothing to do with
[32:37] Speaker 1: the beginning of matter, space, and time. Is only an
[32:40] Speaker 1: explanation of how the universe was once much smaller and
[32:44] Speaker 1: expanded into what we have today. It doesn't make any
[32:47] Speaker 1: claims as to what was prior to that.
[32:52] Speaker 12: Okay, do you as far as the Big Bank, do
[32:59] Speaker 12: you feel that in any other information in the Big
[33:01] Speaker 12: Bang is relevant at all?
[33:03] Speaker 1: Or what do you mean?
[33:06] Speaker 12: The scientific community was Parts of the scientific community kind
[33:13] Speaker 12: of lean on the Big Bang as a valid way
[33:17] Speaker 12: of explaining not only why the universe is expanding, but
[33:21] Speaker 12: also as far back as they can go, as far
[33:25] Speaker 12: as what universally agreed on the beginning of this universe.
[33:29] Speaker 1: Oh, no, scientists don't agree on that at all. In fact,
[33:31] Speaker 1: there was a recent survey done of physicists and it
[33:35] Speaker 1: was quite clear that the vast majority of physicists don't
[33:38] Speaker 1: believe that the Big Bang was the starting of all things.
[33:41] Speaker 2: They don't believe in a creation event.
[33:46] Speaker 1: Okay, that's just something that like theists who don't know
[33:50] Speaker 1: science will tell you.
[33:54] Speaker 12: Okay, all right, fair enough, So what the odds of
[34:01] Speaker 12: the universe forming exactly the way it is up to
[34:06] Speaker 12: this point?
[34:08] Speaker 7: Do you know what those odds are?
[34:10] Speaker 1: I know the odds are incalculable. There's no way to
[34:13] Speaker 1: know what other forms of the universe could have taken.
[34:15] Speaker 1: But it's also kind of silly because every time you
[34:18] Speaker 1: play the odds alls you're suggesting is that the universe
[34:22] Speaker 1: has a goal in mind. Odds are only important, like
[34:25] Speaker 1: if you have a goal in mind, Like if I
[34:27] Speaker 1: have four dice, I'm saying I'm going to roll four sixes.
[34:31] Speaker 2: Well, shit, that's really fucking hard to do, right.
[34:33] Speaker 1: The odds of that are astronomical, But right, it's only
[34:37] Speaker 1: meaningful if I'm trying to do it, Like if I
[34:40] Speaker 1: just if I'm just sitting at a table and I
[34:42] Speaker 1: roll dice and it happens to land on four sixes,
[34:45] Speaker 1: but that wasn't even my goal. Will No one gives
[34:47] Speaker 1: a shit?
[34:49] Speaker 7: Okay, how old do you say the universe is?
[34:54] Speaker 3: How old?
[34:54] Speaker 1: I think the universe is forever? I don't think there
[34:57] Speaker 1: was beginning? Gotcha?
[34:59] Speaker 7: Gotcha? You did say.
[35:00] Speaker 12: Okay, I've read something that said that if the odds
[35:06] Speaker 12: of universe forming itself in the way, that the way
[35:09] Speaker 12: that it is right now is like ten to.
[35:11] Speaker 7: The one hundred and twenty third power or something like that.
[35:14] Speaker 7: I don't know if that's yeah, but it's true, it's not.
[35:16] Speaker 2: It's not a meaningful statistic.
[35:19] Speaker 1: It doesn't mean anything because the universe doesn't have an
[35:22] Speaker 1: intention like if so, for example, you know the combinations
[35:25] Speaker 1: and a deck of cards, or fifty two cards and
[35:27] Speaker 1: a deck of cards, and there's like a trillion trillion
[35:31] Speaker 1: different ways like you combine them. There's more ways to
[35:33] Speaker 1: combine deck of cards than there is like you know,
[35:37] Speaker 1: sand on the beaches. Right, If I take a deck
[35:40] Speaker 1: of cards and I throw it down, it might be
[35:42] Speaker 1: true that the order in which those cards randomly fell
[35:46] Speaker 1: is like a trillion trillion times impossible, you know, on
[35:50] Speaker 1: when you're doing probabilities, But it's it's not. It's just random, right,
[35:55] Speaker 1: just randomly landed those ways. It's not That information is
[35:59] Speaker 1: not helpful unless it was my intention for those cards
[36:04] Speaker 1: that land that way. If I wrote down ahead of time,
[36:06] Speaker 1: this is the order that the fifty two cards are
[36:08] Speaker 1: going to fall in, and then I threw them in
[36:10] Speaker 1: the air and then they fell in that order, that
[36:12] Speaker 1: would be a miracle. But just the fact that they
[36:14] Speaker 1: fell in the order they fell in isn't a miracle.
[36:17] Speaker 12: Do you believe the universe is is kind of the
[36:19] Speaker 12: same way that this is all kind of randomly just came.
[36:22] Speaker 1: To Yeah, I think it's a we live in a
[36:25] Speaker 1: universe of chaos.
[36:29] Speaker 7: Okay, what's your thoughts on evolution?
[36:34] Speaker 1: I think evolution is true.
[36:39] Speaker 12: Well, when I say evolution, I mean the evolution of
[36:42] Speaker 12: man more so.
[36:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think we evolved from a common ancestor with
[36:47] Speaker 1: the Great Apes. This seems to be apparent looking at
[36:49] Speaker 1: the DNA evidence. If you look at like things like
[36:52] Speaker 1: endogenous retroviruses, it's quite clear that we had a common
[36:55] Speaker 1: ancestor with the Great Apes, which is why we share
[36:58] Speaker 1: like eighty percent of our dodgrin restrctroviruses with them. And
[37:02] Speaker 1: it's also the reason why they, like, of those eighty
[37:06] Speaker 1: percent of those er vs, why a vast majority of
[37:09] Speaker 1: them only show up in Great Apes and humans.
[37:12] Speaker 2: They don't show up anywhere else.
[37:15] Speaker 7: Do you did you know that Africans don't have Neanderthal DNA.
[37:19] Speaker 2: I don't know anything about Neanderthal DNA.
[37:22] Speaker 12: So yeah, mostly only whites and Asians have Neanderthal DNA.
[37:26] Speaker 12: Africans are Homo sapiens. They've been Homo sapiens for over
[37:30] Speaker 12: a thousands, for thousands a year. So in the evolutionary process,
[37:36] Speaker 12: modern man is known as Homo sapiens sapiens, so they
[37:40] Speaker 12: don't technically like we most of us, we all have
[37:44] Speaker 12: some form of Neanderthal DNA, not that the gene pool
[37:47] Speaker 12: has been flooded, but the average African, you know, before
[37:52] Speaker 12: the gene pool got flooded, doesn't have Neanderthal DNA.
[37:57] Speaker 1: So so Princeton did a study on this was an
[38:00] Speaker 1: article titled new study identifies Neanderthal ancestry in African populations
[38:05] Speaker 1: and describes its origin.
[38:08] Speaker 12: Right, So that's the if you go to Africa now
[38:12] Speaker 12: after because the gene pool has been flooded, so there's
[38:14] Speaker 12: been like you know, certain Europeans and that have gone
[38:16] Speaker 12: back in that uh in the African breed it with
[38:19] Speaker 12: like the modern African today.
[38:21] Speaker 7: Yes, but the.
[38:25] Speaker 12: Before the gene pool was flooded, the there was like
[38:29] Speaker 12: a zero Like even now there's only like zero point
[38:32] Speaker 12: three Africans that have Neanderthal DNA, but prior to that,
[38:37] Speaker 12: it was literally zero.
[38:38] Speaker 7: So there's a there's a who.
[38:41] Speaker 1: Did this study?
[38:44] Speaker 12: Which study the study you're referring to, I'm referring to
[38:48] Speaker 12: multiple studies, which you mean before the gene pool or after.
[38:51] Speaker 3: The gene pool.
[38:51] Speaker 1: I mean, listen, it's plausible that Neanderthals didn't originate in Europe.
[38:56] Speaker 1: I mean, this is not a topic that I've studied.
[38:58] Speaker 1: I'm just trying to figure out what years to that
[39:00] Speaker 1: says that.
[39:01] Speaker 12: Well this, so I've studied multiple A good place to
[39:06] Speaker 12: start is the UH. It's called the homo hybrid hybrids,
[39:11] Speaker 12: Homo hybrids, homo hybrid Heidelbergenesis, the Homo hydrobergenesis skull is
[39:18] Speaker 12: it causes a divide, Sorry, my phone's ringing. It causes
[39:22] Speaker 12: a divide in the in the evolution evolutionary science because
[39:27] Speaker 12: a lot of science. This is where a lot of
[39:28] Speaker 12: scientists disagree, because it's hard to uh to put an
[39:33] Speaker 12: exact date and location on that particular skull, because the
[39:38] Speaker 12: Homo hydrobergenesis is a split where the modern human UH
[39:45] Speaker 12: evolved from. So like it didn't have Neanderthal DNA.
[39:50] Speaker 1: So well, I mean, according to the Princeton study I'm
[39:52] Speaker 1: looking at it right now, they disagree. So like, uh, listen,
[39:56] Speaker 1: it's certainly plausible that Neanderthals didn't originate in our Africa,
[40:00] Speaker 1: that they eventually migrated to Africa. I'm not really sure
[40:03] Speaker 1: that matters to me whether they originated there or the
[40:06] Speaker 1: migrated there. The fact of the matter is, if you
[40:08] Speaker 1: trace our DNA all the way back, it goes all
[40:11] Speaker 1: the way past Neanderthals, all the way into the Great Apes.
[40:16] Speaker 12: So there's a split. That's there's a there's a concept
[40:19] Speaker 12: called muddle uh muddle in the middle the high bo
[40:24] Speaker 12: how Homo. You should google it's Homo Heidelbergenesis. It's muddle
[40:29] Speaker 12: in the middle, and do some research on that because
[40:31] Speaker 12: it'll it'll I'm not fully qualified to give you like
[40:34] Speaker 12: a I can't, you know, give you a full I'm
[40:36] Speaker 12: not a professional obviously, but that particular like it's been
[40:40] Speaker 12: also called Homo road, Homo road rodentic, Homo rodentagists.
[40:46] Speaker 7: I'm probably Homo rodentagists, I believe.
[40:49] Speaker 12: So there's like four different names for that skull because
[40:52] Speaker 12: they can't pinpoint why.
[40:55] Speaker 7: There's a split.
[40:55] Speaker 12: There's a split in the gene pool going back from
[40:58] Speaker 12: modern humans and like so if you go from the
[41:00] Speaker 12: White race and compare it to the African race, there's
[41:04] Speaker 12: a split at Homo Hydebergenesis, and they call it muddle
[41:07] Speaker 12: in the middle.
[41:08] Speaker 7: You can.
[41:08] Speaker 12: You can if you google muddle in the middle Homo hydebergenesis,
[41:12] Speaker 12: it'll it'll give you a lot more details than I'm
[41:14] Speaker 12: able to give. But ultimately it's I mean, I'm not
[41:18] Speaker 12: sure any of this is actually helpful information.
[41:20] Speaker 1: None of this has anything to do with whether evolution
[41:22] Speaker 1: is true or not. So the fact of the matter is,
[41:25] Speaker 1: I get the tree on the screen. Unfortunately for you,
[41:28] Speaker 1: you can't see it, but everyone else can see it.
[41:30] Speaker 1: I should be able to share it with you, though,
[41:31] Speaker 1: if you give me a second, one second, the way
[41:37] Speaker 1: to share this with you. I know there's a way
[41:39] Speaker 1: to share it with you. There's not a way. I
[41:42] Speaker 1: don't think there's a way to share it with you.
[41:45] Speaker 12: That's cool, I would. I mean, we don't have to
[41:47] Speaker 12: even go down there right a hole. I'm just just
[41:48] Speaker 12: trying to just really, I'm just curious to uh certain things.
[41:57] Speaker 2: That's none of anyone's business.
[41:59] Speaker 1: So on the genetic lineages, Homo sapiens fed into non
[42:06] Speaker 1: Africans East Africans, West Africans, Central Africans and looks like
[42:11] Speaker 1: basically everywhere else, it looks like Neanderthals. We're on a
[42:16] Speaker 1: different branch of the evolutionary tree, so like it may
[42:19] Speaker 1: certainly be possible that Neanderthals were on a different branch
[42:22] Speaker 1: than the Africans, but I don't see what they have
[42:25] Speaker 1: to do with evolution.
[42:27] Speaker 7: Well, if we it's argued that.
[42:32] Speaker 12: Uh, Neanderthals come from more of the lineage of the
[42:35] Speaker 12: grade eight, whereas Africans that are Homo sapiens have been
[42:39] Speaker 12: Homo sapiens.
[42:41] Speaker 1: Or that's true.
[42:43] Speaker 7: Can you open up Google and.
[42:47] Speaker 2: I'm looking at the map right now.
[42:48] Speaker 1: Everyone can see it, but you The map right now
[42:50] Speaker 1: literally shows that Homo sapiens and Neanderthals have a common ancestor.
[42:55] Speaker 12: Can I can I show can you google Homo heidelbergenesis.
[42:59] Speaker 1: I have the Homo hydrobrogenesis map open right now on
[43:02] Speaker 1: my screen, and it shows that Neanderthals have a common
[43:06] Speaker 1: ancestor with Homo sapiens.
[43:10] Speaker 12: So that's this is what it So this is where
[43:13] Speaker 12: there's a there's a that's not definitive what you're reading.
[43:16] Speaker 7: So there's the same skull.
[43:18] Speaker 2: The the guy who made the map is wrong.
[43:26] Speaker 7: Hold on, let me, let me give me one second.
[43:28] Speaker 7: Let me let me.
[43:29] Speaker 12: I want to make sure I'm pronouncing this right, they
[43:31] Speaker 12: call that skull multiple names.
[43:33] Speaker 1: I'm not looking at a skull, I'm looking at the
[43:35] Speaker 1: genetic map.
[43:37] Speaker 12: Okay, hold on one second. Hydrogenesis Homo roll right, So
[43:42] Speaker 12: Homo wrote wrote R H O D E, S I E,
[43:48] Speaker 12: and S I S that skull. There's a group, there's
[43:51] Speaker 12: a community that referred to that skull as Homo hydrobrogenesis.
[43:54] Speaker 12: Then that's an entirely different community that referred to it
[43:57] Speaker 12: as Homo.
[43:57] Speaker 7: Right.
[43:57] Speaker 2: I don't know. I don't know if you know this.
[43:59] Speaker 1: I don't really care if there is a skull that's
[44:01] Speaker 1: in dispute that has nothing to do with what we're
[44:03] Speaker 1: talking about, Like you can find a skull somewhere and
[44:05] Speaker 1: not know where the skull fits in as meaningless in
[44:09] Speaker 1: the overall in the overall scheme of evolution.
[44:13] Speaker 12: It's not true because because they different scientists will say
[44:18] Speaker 12: will tell you that that's because there's a split there.
[44:20] Speaker 12: Certain scientists say, well, okay, if we all have a
[44:23] Speaker 12: common ancestor, then it goes toward Homo homohydrogenesis. There's other
[44:27] Speaker 12: scientists that we don't have a common ancestor, and if
[44:30] Speaker 12: they go for by homogenis all.
[44:32] Speaker 1: Of them, all of them go back to a common ancestor.
[44:35] Speaker 1: No matter how many splits there are. That's how evolutionary
[44:37] Speaker 1: trees work. There are going to be splits. Some of
[44:40] Speaker 1: the splits die off and some of them live on.
[44:44] Speaker 7: Okay, let's move on thoughts on authority.
[44:56] Speaker 12: What are your thoughts on authority as far as like
[44:58] Speaker 12: where authority should come from?
[45:00] Speaker 1: Authority is given, It doesn't come from anywhere. What do
[45:05] Speaker 1: you mean given it's given? Authority is when when I
[45:09] Speaker 1: allow someone to have authority or they assume authority, like
[45:12] Speaker 1: it has to be given or taken or stolen like.
[45:16] Speaker 1: So for example, like there are people that are in
[45:18] Speaker 1: authority in the government. I didn't vote for them, they
[45:21] Speaker 1: assumed authority given the governmental structure. But there are people
[45:24] Speaker 1: that I specifically give authority to, Like I've got moderators
[45:28] Speaker 1: on my live stream and elsewhere that I give authority
[45:31] Speaker 1: to and I don't question what they do. I allow
[45:35] Speaker 1: them to do their thing. There are other people in
[45:37] Speaker 1: life that are just like teachers educators that are older
[45:41] Speaker 1: and I just give them authority out of respect. So like,
[45:44] Speaker 1: authority is just something we do as human beings. It's
[45:46] Speaker 1: not a thing that exists transcendentally.
[45:52] Speaker 7: Okay, so do you know about divine right of king?
[46:00] Speaker 1: Uh? Yeah, I don't believe in divine right of kings.
[46:02] Speaker 1: I don't believe in kingship.
[46:05] Speaker 7: Well, okay, but there's a concept.
[46:08] Speaker 12: I was researching the word authority and uh it was interesting.
[46:13] Speaker 12: I found a part that was saying that the uh
[46:17] Speaker 12: British uh concept of authority came from the concept of
[46:21] Speaker 12: divine right of kings, which was a thought, a concept
[46:27] Speaker 12: that's based in multiple multiple religions, but namely Christianity, and
[46:31] Speaker 12: that authority in the British context comes from uh. Christ
[46:39] Speaker 12: was basically starting crease Christianity through the the succession of
[46:44] Speaker 12: the Apostolic Uh.
[46:46] Speaker 1: Lost lost man, man. I don't. I don't believe in
[46:48] Speaker 1: divine authorities. So this is a kind of a meaningless question.
[46:51] Speaker 7: All right, So what are your thoughts on.
[46:55] Speaker 12: Like the the the concepts that were not the concept
[46:59] Speaker 12: of practice that we have to like the police say,
[47:03] Speaker 12: you know, so help me God, or like you got
[47:06] Speaker 12: to go to court, they put you put your hand
[47:07] Speaker 12: on the Bible or the president's take.
[47:09] Speaker 1: You can put your hand on any book or no book.
[47:11] Speaker 1: You don't have to swear on anything. I could swear
[47:13] Speaker 1: on a copy of Richard Hitchins if I wanted to.
[47:16] Speaker 7: So, why do you think none of the presidents have
[47:18] Speaker 7: done that?
[47:19] Speaker 1: Certainly some of them have. There have been people that
[47:21] Speaker 1: were sworn in on non Bibles.
[47:23] Speaker 3: Uh.
[47:24] Speaker 1: Trump at the last swearing ind even put his hand
[47:26] Speaker 1: on the Bible like I could care less that we
[47:30] Speaker 1: have a swearing in process that people swear by things
[47:32] Speaker 1: that they find sacred. That doesn't mean anything to me. Also,
[47:37] Speaker 1: it says nothing about whether or not God is real.
[47:39] Speaker 1: It only says that there are people who believe God's
[47:41] Speaker 1: are real. I don't ilhan Omar didn't get sworn in
[47:46] Speaker 1: on a Bible.
[47:51] Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm just trying to get your opinion on these
[47:53] Speaker 12: things because a lot of people, a lot of Athists
[47:55] Speaker 12: that I talked to, they mentioned that, well, you don't
[47:57] Speaker 12: have to do that, and but you know, right, but
[48:01] Speaker 12: you don't see a lot of president likes the most
[48:05] Speaker 12: of the president do do that. So isn't that interesting because.
[48:08] Speaker 1: We because they're Christians, Christians do what Christians do. Surely
[48:13] Speaker 1: you're gonna understand that.
[48:16] Speaker 7: Fair enough.
[48:17] Speaker 1: Listen, Max, I don't think we really have an argument.
[48:20] Speaker 1: I'm gonna move on to.
[48:20] Speaker 2: The next guest. But appreciate you coming up.
[48:22] Speaker 1: Okay, it's nice talking to you. Cheers man, have it
[48:25] Speaker 1: go on.
[48:28] Speaker 3: Well.
[48:29] Speaker 1: I don't know what he said last time to get kicked,
[48:31] Speaker 1: but he was polite this time. I let me grab
[48:33] Speaker 1: a couple of super chats. We'll get our next guest
[48:35] Speaker 1: in the box. I think I can. Nato was next
[48:38] Speaker 1: in line, and then Dave Sony is thank you so
[48:41] Speaker 1: much for the three hundred ars. Big W, my friend,
[48:44] Speaker 1: it's very generous, says. I know that quotes from famous
[48:46] Speaker 1: people are kind of cliche. Actually, after are good quotes.
[48:48] Speaker 1: I don't care. I love them, says, but epicurious quote
[48:51] Speaker 1: about God is pretty water tight. Yeah, and a lot
[48:55] Speaker 1: of people appeal to the epicurean paradox as well. He's
[48:58] Speaker 1: really well known for the epic hearing like omni paradox.
[49:02] Speaker 1: Big W. There, I'm with you, Sonus, I agree with you,
[49:05] Speaker 1: and Manuel thank you so much for the ten dollars
[49:08] Speaker 1: super laugh. I appreciate that, friend, Big big W. I
[49:11] Speaker 1: appreciate you support in the channel. And also we've got
[49:14] Speaker 1: a super chat in from j Money. Big W says,
[49:18] Speaker 1: if Christians believe that the snake in the garden, lie
[49:21] Speaker 1: didn't didn't instead of God, then wouldn't it mean sin
[49:26] Speaker 1: was already brought into the world prefall. So this is
[49:28] Speaker 1: actually a really good point because if the snake lied,
[49:32] Speaker 1: that means the snake already sinned before Adam and Eve.
[49:35] Speaker 2: You're right, so sin was already in the world.
[49:37] Speaker 1: It turned out God is the first liar, though, which
[49:40] Speaker 1: means God introduced God introduced sin into the world.
[49:44] Speaker 2: But I know what Christian would say.
[49:45] Speaker 1: Well, he didn't lie. Words don't mean words. But you're right,
[49:48] Speaker 1: that's a fair point. And Dan, thank you for the
[49:51] Speaker 1: super genes, says if you can't pronounce the names of species,
[49:54] Speaker 1: you're probably not trained in evolutionary biology and therefore not
[49:58] Speaker 1: an expert to listen to on the subject. I agree.
[50:00] Speaker 1: If you're going to talk about biology, I suggest you
[50:03] Speaker 1: talk only about a specific topic that you actually know
[50:06] Speaker 1: and don't just quote the Internet. Not a good look. Jason,
[50:10] Speaker 1: why have my friend? Great to see you today? Thank
[50:11] Speaker 1: you for the ten hour supertest, says nice seeing you.
[50:14] Speaker 1: I need a cheat sheet for dummies. I sound great
[50:18] Speaker 1: as if I know what I'm talking about. That's a
[50:21] Speaker 1: good question, do so. I am looking at putting together
[50:24] Speaker 1: some cheat sheets of arguments where we start with here's
[50:28] Speaker 1: the argument, here's the rebuttals, and doing it that way.
[50:31] Speaker 2: That is in the works. I haven't done it yet.
[50:33] Speaker 1: I've got some started, but they're not published, so I'll
[50:36] Speaker 1: let everyone know when we get them up. And Erzmat,
[50:38] Speaker 1: my friend, thank you for the supertest, says I have
[50:40] Speaker 1: a special God and you have to guess what it is.
[50:43] Speaker 1: Worse than phil for us. I know it's crazy. Not
[50:47] Speaker 1: only when they have a god concept they can't defend,
[50:49] Speaker 1: but they won't even tell you what it is.
[50:50] Speaker 2: But just tell me what your fucking God is?
[50:52] Speaker 3: Why this is hard?
[50:54] Speaker 1: El So a trinity of trinitarian triune Trinity's got it?
[50:57] Speaker 1: It made perfect sense. It's the trinity of trinity, these
[51:00] Speaker 1: within the trinity that if you add it all up
[51:03] Speaker 1: as a trinity. I mean, that's just how numbers work,
[51:05] Speaker 1: isn't it. And Jay says, how the fuck do you
[51:08] Speaker 1: keep straight faced with these guys? Listen, practice I didn't
[51:11] Speaker 1: always I couldn't always do that. You have to practice
[51:13] Speaker 1: at it. Jay and Corvin, thank you for the six
[51:16] Speaker 1: sixty six. Hail Nero says, what's the deal with Jesus
[51:18] Speaker 1: being caught in the garden with a naked young man
[51:20] Speaker 1: in Mark fourteen fifty one. Also, it seems like some
[51:23] Speaker 1: apostles are acting as look ats firm, So the story
[51:26] Speaker 1: seems to be that he's accidentally becoming naked as he's
[51:29] Speaker 1: trying to flee away, the grab hold of his cloak
[51:31] Speaker 1: and he, you know, cloak gets left behind. Commentators have
[51:37] Speaker 1: long saw this as being a metaphor for something some
[51:40] Speaker 1: people believe, like Richard Balcom believes it's a cover up
[51:43] Speaker 1: for the boy's identity as just like a shout out
[51:46] Speaker 1: of hey, you know that one guy that had the
[51:48] Speaker 1: thing that happened to that one kid? He was there too.
[51:51] Speaker 1: I just can't tell you his name because it would
[51:53] Speaker 1: be too embarrassing. But anyways, so that you know, there's
[51:57] Speaker 1: there's a couple of different theories about what he's doing there,
[51:59] Speaker 1: but I don't believe there's anything underhanded going on. And
[52:03] Speaker 1: Marduk says thoughts on this passage, it was new to me,
[52:07] Speaker 1: so we cooked my son and ate him. The next
[52:10] Speaker 1: day I said to her, give up your son so
[52:12] Speaker 1: we may eat him, but she had hidden him. I
[52:16] Speaker 1: think first Kings six nine, let me see what you're
[52:22] Speaker 1: we're referring to First King six, what story are we
[52:28] Speaker 1: actually in in this particular chapter he carved the walls
[52:33] Speaker 1: of the house around about him with carvings, and oh, no,
[52:36] Speaker 1: this is for the temple, so you must mean second kings.
[52:40] Speaker 1: Try second kings. Second King six twenty nine says, all right,
[52:48] Speaker 1: so we cooked my son and ate them. Okay, So
[52:51] Speaker 1: let me go back to Oh, this is the siege
[52:53] Speaker 1: of Samaria. Oh, this is what happens during the siege.
[52:55] Speaker 2: Okay.
[52:56] Speaker 1: So there was a siege in Samaria of the Syria,
[53:00] Speaker 1: and among the siege, and God predicted it among the siege,
[53:06] Speaker 1: God predicted that you would be so besieged on set
[53:11] Speaker 1: by war that you would eat your own young. So
[53:13] Speaker 1: there's probably some of that going on here. But there's
[53:16] Speaker 1: also some people in the siege giving their own account
[53:19] Speaker 1: of cooking their own children and eating their own children,
[53:23] Speaker 1: So that seems to be what's actually going on here.
[53:25] Speaker 1: You're getting a first hand account of God's punishments coming true.
[53:29] Speaker 1: We can go more in depth into the story if
[53:31] Speaker 1: you want to, but I mean, that's kind of the
[53:33] Speaker 1: overview of what's happened in that particular passage, and God
[53:37] Speaker 1: like says made Lisa the Rainbow Draft. Bestow leaves upon you,
[53:40] Speaker 1: pastor Bishop, by the grace of Doug moorehead big w
[53:44] Speaker 1: thank you so much God like atheists, and tell a
[53:48] Speaker 1: Rainbow Draft that I said, Hi, Lisa the Rainbow Draft.
[53:51] Speaker 1: All right, let me grab I've got a couple more superchats.
[53:55] Speaker 1: I'm gonna do like four more super chats and then
[53:57] Speaker 1: we're gonna get Dave in the box. No, Dave, ran
[53:59] Speaker 1: I mean iken Auto Dyslexia Jones says, I became a member.
[54:03] Speaker 1: You're the voice. You're the voice version of Tim Tim
[54:08] Speaker 1: Mintionin when it comes to the Bible. Thanks for the
[54:11] Speaker 1: education and the last well, thank you for joining. I
[54:13] Speaker 1: really appreciate that. Friend. I don't know who Tim Mintionin is.
[54:17] Speaker 1: And now I have to look who Tim Mintionin is.
[54:21] Speaker 1: Tim Mintionin is Oh a comedian?
[54:24] Speaker 13: Oh?
[54:24] Speaker 1: I have to check them out. Hey, thanks for the reference, Dyslexia,
[54:27] Speaker 1: and thank you for joining and supporting. And Dave says you,
[54:30] Speaker 1: sir are awesome. No, no, no, Dave, You're awesome. And
[54:33] Speaker 1: Rafael says, praise Doug justin our true and final prophet.
[54:36] Speaker 1: I am the prophet of Doug. I didn't choose it.
[54:38] Speaker 1: He chose me friends and Bider says, what cars to
[54:41] Speaker 1: people at Norway Drive. I think that's actually correct. I
[54:46] Speaker 1: don't know if they spell it that way, but I
[54:47] Speaker 1: think that's how you pronounce it. If I've learned anything
[54:49] Speaker 1: from the Muppets and amor my friend thank you for
[54:53] Speaker 1: the supertest, says the odds are one to one. Yeah, yeah,
[54:55] Speaker 1: one universe we have life and we have life. I agree.
[54:59] Speaker 1: The odds of it happened is one one hundred percent Kohoto.
[55:02] Speaker 1: Last super chat for my friend Kohoto. Great to see
[55:04] Speaker 1: your friend, Khota says, The Bible says, asking you shall receive.
[55:07] Speaker 1: So I started praying for food. Minutes turned into hours.
[55:10] Speaker 1: In today's I prayed to Doug and he immediately leapt
[55:13] Speaker 1: through the window of a bakery and I was fed.
[55:16] Speaker 1: Never using the Bible to meal plan again, I wouldn't.
[55:19] Speaker 1: I would not. That's actually a really good story. I
[55:23] Speaker 1: appreciate that, Kohodo. But you're right, God asks you, he
[55:26] Speaker 1: invites you to pray for stuff, and then like it's
[55:29] Speaker 1: just crickets, right. If you never if you never had
[55:32] Speaker 1: any Bible training, and that's all you knew, that's all
[55:35] Speaker 1: you need to know that this God isn't real. He
[55:36] Speaker 1: tells you to pray for your daily bread and then
[55:39] Speaker 1: you don't fucking get it. There you go, all right,
[55:43] Speaker 1: let's get Aikanado in the guest box. Is that iikonato?
[55:48] Speaker 1: I say that right, It'sada ikonata? Okay Ikanada. Are you
[55:55] Speaker 1: at least eighteen and are you believer in some kind.
[55:56] Speaker 3: Of a god?
[55:58] Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm twenty two and I used to be Catholic,
[56:02] Speaker 6: but I'm kind of a strange from that now. I
[56:05] Speaker 6: would say if I had to choose like a you know,
[56:09] Speaker 6: organized religion god, I would probably choose Brahma, the Hindu God.
[56:13] Speaker 2: Okay, so you're kind of Hindu, Yeah.
[56:16] Speaker 1: I'd say so cool. So would be the most compelling
[56:19] Speaker 1: evidence or argument for the Hindu god or God's being real.
[56:25] Speaker 1: So I'm gonna just be completely.
[56:28] Speaker 6: Like clear and just open that I read. But I'm
[56:34] Speaker 6: not like so tuned into like everything, So I'm gonna
[56:37] Speaker 6: just be like very you know, here and there as
[56:40] Speaker 6: far as the facts go. But I definitely would appreciate
[56:42] Speaker 6: you fact checking me. But for me, as far as
[56:45] Speaker 6: Hinduism goes, at least in comparison to like other religions
[56:49] Speaker 6: like Christianity and such, I just feel like their idea
[56:52] Speaker 6: of the supreme God is more abstract and more what's
[57:00] Speaker 6: the word, just more abstract. Like I feel like Christianity, Islam,
[57:05] Speaker 6: and the Abrahamic religions they really humanize God, and for
[57:08] Speaker 6: me that's why I don't believe in them as much.
[57:10] Speaker 6: But with Hinduism, like their whole ideas that Brahma, the
[57:14] Speaker 6: supreme God basically created the universe and then it's pretty
[57:18] Speaker 6: uninterested in the affairs of humans, which to me is
[57:23] Speaker 6: makes the most sense because, like you just said, with
[57:25] Speaker 6: the prayer thing, it's like in Christianity and Islam and Judaism,
[57:31] Speaker 6: it's like.
[57:33] Speaker 1: They the way the.
[57:34] Speaker 6: Followers make it seem is like God is just always
[57:38] Speaker 6: in human affairs, He's always doing things like that. But
[57:41] Speaker 6: I just don't really see that to be the way
[57:43] Speaker 6: God is. I think God is like very much hands
[57:48] Speaker 6: off with human things. So just the way that Hinduism
[57:51] Speaker 6: explains God to me just makes the most sense. And
[57:54] Speaker 6: I know that probably wasn't like a fact or reason,
[57:56] Speaker 6: but this is just like a basis, like just.
[57:58] Speaker 1: A sure So you think the concept of the Hindu
[58:02] Speaker 1: gods is more in line with what you see in reality.
[58:05] Speaker 1: I can appreciate that. Now, let me ask like a
[58:09] Speaker 1: couple questions to probe into that a little bit. I
[58:12] Speaker 1: get what you're saying, I hear you. But let me
[58:16] Speaker 1: ask you a question. What would look different if your
[58:20] Speaker 1: God ceased to exist or God's plural, like, if they
[58:25] Speaker 1: just disappeared tomorrow, what would the difference be? And that's
[58:31] Speaker 1: the thing.
[58:31] Speaker 6: I don't think anything would be different, to be honest,
[58:35] Speaker 6: I just think, yeah, that's the thing, like I would agree, like,
[58:38] Speaker 6: I don't think anything would be different. But the way
[58:41] Speaker 6: like other religion gods make it seem is like, oh,
[58:44] Speaker 6: if God die or if God, you know, cease to
[58:47] Speaker 6: exist today, it's like everything would be haywire. But I
[58:49] Speaker 6: don't think that's what would happen. I just think there
[58:53] Speaker 6: was a God. God created this and now and even
[58:57] Speaker 6: and I don't even I'm more on the consciousness. I
[58:59] Speaker 6: believe in consciousness and things of that nature. I just
[59:02] Speaker 6: think consciousness or God or whatever you want to call
[59:05] Speaker 6: it was made and it is now uninterested with whatever
[59:08] Speaker 6: is going on. So as far as it, like your
[59:10] Speaker 6: question goes, like if God ceased to exist today, I
[59:13] Speaker 6: don't think anything would be out of order.
[59:16] Speaker 1: Okay, so it seems to be then there's no difference
[59:20] Speaker 1: between God existing and God not existing functionally in the universe.
[59:24] Speaker 1: So what would lead one to believe that you needed
[59:27] Speaker 1: to include God into the universal model when it doesn't
[59:31] Speaker 1: really serve a purpose?
[59:32] Speaker 2: Like what purpose is it there for?
[59:35] Speaker 6: So to me, I more just think it's like a
[59:40] Speaker 6: dual kind of view on it. I think a lot
[59:42] Speaker 6: of people just use God as like a reasoning and understanding,
[59:46] Speaker 6: you know, for the bad and the good in the world.
[59:48] Speaker 6: But I don't think I don't think the I don't
[59:52] Speaker 6: think God really has utility in reality. I just think
[59:55] Speaker 6: it's more of an explanation for like phenomena, Like I
[59:59] Speaker 6: think God it's like a placeholder for like some people
[1:00:03] Speaker 6: use God as a placeholder for science. Like there's people
[1:00:06] Speaker 6: that quote unquote don't believe in science, but they believe
[1:00:09] Speaker 6: in God, which I find is just because science is
[1:00:11] Speaker 6: really just like the observation and the study of things, right, right.
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: But what I'm trying to figure out is if the
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: world is explained without a God, like all the stuff
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: about the world can be explained without a God. I'm
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: trying to figure out why we would add a god
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: into the mixture.
[1:00:29] Speaker 6: Oh yeah, like I said, like I think some people
[1:00:33] Speaker 6: just certain people, Oh shit, I think certain My bad.
[1:00:36] Speaker 3: Oh I can't curson only hear my fault?
[1:00:38] Speaker 1: You saw you want?
[1:00:39] Speaker 3: Oh?
[1:00:39] Speaker 6: Okay, okay, but yeah, I don't think so sorry, ask
[1:00:43] Speaker 6: you a question.
[1:00:44] Speaker 8: I guess.
[1:00:45] Speaker 1: So, if the world is easily explained without a god,
[1:00:49] Speaker 1: what would be a motivating factor to include a god
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: into the worldview?
[1:00:53] Speaker 6: Oh, for some people, there's certain holes in it, Like
[1:00:56] Speaker 6: I don't think science explains things like why bad things happen?
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: Or why do I suffer? And stuff like that. So
[1:01:03] Speaker 1: for like more of.
[1:01:04] Speaker 6: Those, like like science explains I don't, I don't.
[1:01:07] Speaker 1: I wouldn't say so well science First of all, science
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: isn't attempting to provide an explanation. But I think the
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: reason why they're suffering is because we live in a
[1:01:17] Speaker 1: world of chaos.
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: Nobody's in control. Like it's just there's no God.
[1:01:22] Speaker 1: That's why there's the chaos. So you.
[1:01:30] Speaker 3: So what do you mean? Like, but why would god?
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: Why would do we need to invoke a god to
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: explain the chaos? Like the chaos is a result of
[1:01:38] Speaker 1: no God?
[1:01:39] Speaker 6: Yeah, Like so I don't like, Well, I'm gonna answer
[1:01:43] Speaker 6: your question like this. I think people. What I'm saying
[1:01:46] Speaker 6: is that I think people use God to explain the chaos.
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: That's why people believe in God. I agree, right, I'm
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: trying to figureut why you believe in God though, Right.
[1:01:54] Speaker 6: Oh, I believe in God. Oh, that's what I want
[1:01:57] Speaker 6: to get to. So I feel like I just got
[1:01:59] Speaker 6: a real personal connection with guy. And I also want
[1:02:02] Speaker 6: to ask you about this too. I believe in God
[1:02:05] Speaker 6: personally just off personal experiences and that's really it.
[1:02:11] Speaker 1: So okay, you do you would accept then, like someone
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: from Islam having a personal experience, you would accept that
[1:02:19] Speaker 1: as being genuine as well, like in my world, or
[1:02:24] Speaker 1: like just accept that in the real world. Like if
[1:02:27] Speaker 1: if somebody who you know, who's a Muslim said that
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: they experienced a law and they know that Allah is
[1:02:34] Speaker 1: true and Muhammad is the prophet, would you accept that
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: as being a true and valid way of knowing what
[1:02:41] Speaker 1: is right in the world. I would say, so, yeah, okay.
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: So I mean you're open to all God concepts then right, yeah,
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: I'd say so okay. So then with any of the
[1:02:53] Speaker 1: various God concepts, why would I add one into my
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: worldview when they don't actually explain anything, Like what what
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: do they explain that I can't explain without them?
[1:03:04] Speaker 6: I really feel like it's more of just like, uh,
[1:03:07] Speaker 6: what is your cup of tea? Like some people, every
[1:03:09] Speaker 6: god has like or not every god has like a
[1:03:12] Speaker 6: I guess, uh philosophy behind it. But I was there's
[1:03:17] Speaker 6: this one lady on here that does a lot of
[1:03:18] Speaker 6: really informative videos, this white lady. She cool, but she
[1:03:21] Speaker 6: was explaining how different types of communities like prehistoric times,
[1:03:26] Speaker 6: like you know, nomadic tribes believe in this type of
[1:03:28] Speaker 6: god because you know, they traveled and stuff like that.
[1:03:31] Speaker 6: And then you know, settler tribes believe in this type
[1:03:34] Speaker 6: of God because they were settled and they did agriculture
[1:03:36] Speaker 6: and stuff like that. So I just think it's really
[1:03:40] Speaker 6: everybody's cup of tea, Like you either believe in this
[1:03:42] Speaker 6: god for these reasons and that god for the other reasons.
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: Like pretty much yeah, nonsense spirituality. I love her. Yeah yeah,
[1:03:50] Speaker 1: my bad, she's for double Okay, So do you believe
[1:03:52] Speaker 1: do you believe coming to conclusions about reality should be
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: based on evidence or feelings?
[1:04:02] Speaker 6: I think it should be based on I think it
[1:04:05] Speaker 6: should be both to be honest, but probably primarily evidence.
[1:04:10] Speaker 6: But I think there's certain things that we can't have
[1:04:13] Speaker 6: evidence for. And that's not to say that, Okay, now
[1:04:16] Speaker 6: it should default to feelings, But I do think there's
[1:04:18] Speaker 6: certain things in the world that are intuitive that there
[1:04:22] Speaker 6: is just a lack of explanation for.
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: Right.
[1:04:26] Speaker 2: But that's what I'm saying is I don't think they're intuitive.
[1:04:28] Speaker 1: You and I are coming to different answers, right, So
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure out, like, if you don't have
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: any evidence of God, you just feel God is true,
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: but you're acknowledging that the primary way to know what
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: is true is through evidence. It seems like you're kind
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: of putting the cart before the horse.
[1:04:46] Speaker 6: Now for sure. And also, I'm gonna just be real.
[1:04:50] Speaker 6: I'm gonna just be real. I didn't really come here
[1:04:52] Speaker 6: trying to like prove God. I really just want to
[1:04:54] Speaker 6: talk to you, like very much, like knowledgeable and stuff
[1:04:56] Speaker 6: like that. You're you're right or you used to be. Yeah,
[1:05:02] Speaker 6: I was, yeah, Well, like what was there like a
[1:05:06] Speaker 6: stark like day that you're like, I don't believe in
[1:05:09] Speaker 6: this or was it just over time?
[1:05:11] Speaker 1: Well, for me, it was a long process. It was
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: like a death by a thousand paper cuts. So I
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: mean I do remember like kind of the day or
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: the couple days when it dawned on me that I
[1:05:22] Speaker 1: don't believe in any God at all. The transition into
[1:05:25] Speaker 1: believing in like a generic God versus Christian God was
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: a longer process of like like one theological domino falling
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: after the other until I kind of looked around like,
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: oh fuck, there's no dominoes left.
[1:05:39] Speaker 2: That took a long time.
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: So but primarily it happened because I studied the Bible,
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: and the Bible can't hold up the scrutiny.
[1:05:45] Speaker 6: So so would you consider yourself like a realist like
[1:05:50] Speaker 6: or a materialist? Like do you only believe in the
[1:05:53] Speaker 6: material world or do you think like there's more to
[1:05:56] Speaker 6: that sees the eye or something.
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: Well, currently I only believe in the material world.
[1:06:00] Speaker 1: If there's evidence that there's something beyond the material world,
[1:06:03] Speaker 1: I'm certainly willing to believe it. I just I've never
[1:06:05] Speaker 1: seen the evidence yet, So okay, I'm just gonna entertain this.
[1:06:10] Speaker 6: I am very much not a physicist or like involved
[1:06:14] Speaker 6: in that, but it's just something i've heard. But you know,
[1:06:17] Speaker 6: things like dark matter, you know, there's places in space
[1:06:20] Speaker 6: where scientists can observe matter that it's like warping or
[1:06:25] Speaker 6: something with how it's warping space, so they see that
[1:06:28] Speaker 6: there's math there, but it just can't be visually seen.
[1:06:32] Speaker 3: What do you think about that?
[1:06:33] Speaker 6: Because that just makes me think of there is certain
[1:06:36] Speaker 6: things in this reality that we may not perceive by
[1:06:39] Speaker 6: the human eye or technology we have, but it's there,
[1:06:43] Speaker 6: but we just can't observe it visually.
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: So like what would you say for that, Well, materialism
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: doesn't require you to be able to see it with
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: your naked eye, right, So for example, there's light spectrums
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: that we can't see, but we know that they're still
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: made of stuff, like it's not made from immaterial things.
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: So like, yeah, there are things that you can't see normally.
[1:07:05] Speaker 1: I don't think that entails that they don't exist or
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: that they exist immaterially. And there are some things that
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: we give We retreat it like it's a stuff, but
[1:07:16] Speaker 1: it's really not. Like when we talk about energy or
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: we talk about time, we talk about it like it's
[1:07:21] Speaker 1: a stuff or like it's like it's a thing, but
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: it's actually not. It's a property. Time and energy are
[1:07:27] Speaker 1: both properties of a material universe. So I mean being
[1:07:32] Speaker 1: a materialist, you know, Like I said, I'm willing to
[1:07:35] Speaker 1: be proven wrong. I've just never seen anything to me
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: that would qualify as as being something but also being immaterial.
[1:07:44] Speaker 6: So what would you So you classified energy as a property,
[1:07:49] Speaker 6: so you don't think there's any like physical state of
[1:07:51] Speaker 6: energy quote unquote, Like, well.
[1:07:54] Speaker 1: A state is describing the material like when we talk
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: about energy, energy is a measure in the change of
[1:08:00] Speaker 1: position and velocity of any given piece of material. Mm
[1:08:05] Speaker 1: hm right, So so energy itself is not a thing
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: that exists. If there is such a thing as dark energy,
[1:08:10] Speaker 1: it's certainly dependent on some sort of fundamental fundamental particle
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: or a field of particles or like, there's there's something there.
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: Because energy, by definition, is in fact a property of stuff.
[1:08:26] Speaker 1: It's not a thing that exists external too stuff. Mm okay,
[1:08:33] Speaker 1: I definitely should up. Oh cool, all right, okay, okay,
[1:08:41] Speaker 1: but listen, I can I've gotta I've got to move
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: on to some theists that want to want they want
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: to get bligerate and get cooked.
[1:08:48] Speaker 6: But I know, I know people want to see people
[1:08:50] Speaker 6: get like dogged onto here. But I'm gonna give you
[1:08:52] Speaker 6: a follow like, I've just seen your stuff just coming across.
[1:08:55] Speaker 3: I was like, let me give it a look.
[1:08:57] Speaker 6: I like your I like your mind, Like I really appree.
[1:09:00] Speaker 6: I feel like you've come at this at like a
[1:09:01] Speaker 6: really good way.
[1:09:02] Speaker 3: So yeah, yeah.
[1:09:03] Speaker 2: I appreciate it.
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: Thanks for being kind, and you know, we enjoy good
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: conversations in here as well. All right, but have a
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: go on cheer as you do, big dubs for the
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: guests were being polite. It's weird. We've talked to Hindus
[1:09:20] Speaker 1: and Hindu crossovers before. It's weird how they're always more
[1:09:25] Speaker 1: polite than the Muslims and the Christians. It's almost like
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: their religion isn't as harmful. Jawn, thank you for the supertest,
[1:09:31] Speaker 1: says the divine right of king stated that anything the
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: king said was the word of God. It was implemented
[1:09:36] Speaker 1: by a British king. I'm sure it was. I mean,
[1:09:40] Speaker 1: the divine right of king goes back a long ways.
[1:09:43] Speaker 1: I mean, obviously I don't believe in divine rights, Sean says, again,
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: implemented by a king, so he wouldn't have to listen
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: to the pope.
[1:09:50] Speaker 2: Oh well, yeah, you're right.
[1:09:51] Speaker 1: So yeah, the kings during the Reformation did not want
[1:09:56] Speaker 1: to listen to the pope. They wanted to set up
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: their own authority. So yeah, I mean you're right there.
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: They did appeal to divine right and hard Worker says,
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: you are an engineer. How about a flow chart? So
[1:10:07] Speaker 1: hard work. When we're talking about the arguments for and
[1:10:10] Speaker 1: against theism, my argument tree was going to be a
[1:10:13] Speaker 1: flow chart, so look forward to that. I'm going to
[1:10:16] Speaker 1: be putting flow charts, dialogue trees together for a lot
[1:10:19] Speaker 1: of these arguments. And the ungooglable man. Great to see you,
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: and thank you so much for the twenty dollars superchat friend.
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: It's generous, he says. Not sure if you like fiction,
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: Not really I don't, but you might enjoy lamb the
[1:10:30] Speaker 1: Gospel according to Biff, Christ's childhood pal, that might actually
[1:10:34] Speaker 1: be interesting now that you mention it. By Christopher More,
[1:10:37] Speaker 1: it's a humorous take on the missing years of Jesus's
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: childhood teen years, very funny. I would actually read that
[1:10:43] Speaker 1: just for the entertainment value. But typically I don't read fiction.
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: I just can't get into it. It's not exciting for me.
[1:10:50] Speaker 1: And Tess says, I beg you to look up the
[1:10:52] Speaker 1: Pope song by Tim Minchin. Well listen, he's in my
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: browser now, so after the stream I'll look him up. Friend,
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: just for you, Truth says Norway try to produce a
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: car once it was called troll. Wait a minute, is
[1:11:04] Speaker 1: troll a Norwegian word that I'm unaware of? I thought
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: troll was like a little hairy guy underneath the bridge
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: that we sold in the nineties that had the long
[1:11:11] Speaker 1: goofy colored hair. Truth. I suspect that is a really
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: good joke, and I can't grasp it because I don't
[1:11:20] Speaker 1: know enough about your culture. But I appreciate the joke,
[1:11:23] Speaker 1: and for anyone who gets it, please fill me in
[1:11:25] Speaker 1: and thank you so much for supporting the stream. Friend,
[1:11:29] Speaker 1: I mean, I love a good joke. I feel bad
[1:11:30] Speaker 1: that I didn't get it. Truth coming in again again,
[1:11:33] Speaker 1: maybe it'll help, it says, And we know trolls are
[1:11:37] Speaker 1: rock hard for Dug. I don't know if that is
[1:11:40] Speaker 1: the case. I don't know what a troll is, Bren,
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: but if they exist, they got to be rock hard
[1:11:45] Speaker 1: for Doug. I'm with you. I'm with you, and Amir,
[1:11:48] Speaker 1: says a Kohoto kun L. Also, I don't care what
[1:11:52] Speaker 1: they say. Rocks beat paper every time I'm with you, Amir,
[1:11:56] Speaker 1: You'll never convince me that rocks don't beat pay. It
[1:12:00] Speaker 1: does a crazy game. And Carlos, great to see you
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: this morning, friend. Thank you for sending out ten deconstructions
[1:12:06] Speaker 1: one memberships. It's a big w buddy, I really appreciate that.
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: And silver surfer with us. Thank you for the five
[1:12:11] Speaker 1: dollars hippo. Thanks. I super appreciate that. And I'm gonna
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: get just a couple more super chants my friends.
[1:12:20] Speaker 2: I'm gonna get four more. Colin, good to see you.
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for being here, says you're cooking
[1:12:24] Speaker 1: today justin Your lives are great learn loads well, thank
[1:12:27] Speaker 1: you so much, Colin. I've tried to learn myself every
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: day and pass on to knowledge. I think learning is fun,
[1:12:34] Speaker 1: knowledge is power. Friends, Raphael, thank you for the Superjest says,
[1:12:38] Speaker 1: don't touch this Bible. It's a cursed object. Just look
[1:12:42] Speaker 1: at Christians. They sound unhinged. Actually, Rafael, you're not wrong.
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: If all you knew about Christianity was what Christians did,
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: you'd have a pretty good argument for why this thing
[1:12:51] Speaker 1: isn't true. And Jay says ten dollars for making my
[1:12:54] Speaker 1: day Kevin. Thanks Kevin, thanks you. Well, I don't know
[1:12:58] Speaker 1: who Kevin is, Jay, but thank you so much for
[1:13:00] Speaker 1: super chatting and I'm glad I could make your day.
[1:13:03] Speaker 1: Baked w for letting me know and for supporting the channel.
[1:13:05] Speaker 1: And last one for my friend Flanker. Flanker, thank you
[1:13:09] Speaker 1: for the ten hours. Buddy says thousands of years, countless
[1:13:11] Speaker 1: lives and no evidence for God. Guests came up here
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: and literally said they have no evidence but are so
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: confident it's real. Why is this even still a debate?
[1:13:20] Speaker 1: And that's the thing is he sounded like he was
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: coming in good faith. But you know what, there are
[1:13:26] Speaker 1: guests that come up and just say that I'm stupid
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: because I don't take their weird god on faith. Why
[1:13:33] Speaker 1: why that's ridiculous? Why why am I beholden to your
[1:13:36] Speaker 1: weird faith tradition? All right, let me grab our next
[1:13:41] Speaker 1: guest that's been in the in the queue and I
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: can't pronounce the name because there's no name as far
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: as I know. The next in line was just thumbs up,
[1:13:54] Speaker 1: Hello bookman, thumb thumb? Are you at least eighteen and
[1:13:57] Speaker 1: do believe in some kind of a higher power?
[1:14:01] Speaker 3: Yes, I'm a Christian.
[1:14:03] Speaker 1: Cool and what would be a good evidence or argument
[1:14:07] Speaker 1: for the Christian God being real? And keep in mind
[1:14:10] Speaker 1: that personal testimony is not evidence.
[1:14:14] Speaker 14: All right, So I'm going to start off a question
[1:14:17] Speaker 14: on what you think how you think the world was created.
[1:14:21] Speaker 1: I don't think it was created, Like what caused the existence?
[1:14:27] Speaker 1: I don't think anything caused the existence. I think it's
[1:14:30] Speaker 1: an endless chain of narration all the way back. There's
[1:14:35] Speaker 1: never been nothing.
[1:14:38] Speaker 3: So it always existed, right, hurdles.
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: All the way down, buddy.
[1:14:44] Speaker 14: So so what you're saying is like the universe, it
[1:14:50] Speaker 14: always existed. Nothing created it, nothing occurred.
[1:14:53] Speaker 3: So created.
[1:14:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, you can't get something from nothing. We have something. Therefore,
[1:14:58] Speaker 1: there was never nothing. An energy cannot be created nor destroyed.
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: Therefore I have no reason to believe that there was
[1:15:05] Speaker 1: ever nothing. There's absolutely no reason that I can find
[1:15:09] Speaker 1: to believe that there was one's nothing.
[1:15:13] Speaker 14: The thing is, there's never going to be a reason.
[1:15:16] Speaker 14: Like you're never gonna have evidence for everything you know,
[1:15:19] Speaker 14: Like i'd say, the share that you saw in this morning,
[1:15:23] Speaker 14: so you didn't. So, so would you say you live
[1:15:27] Speaker 14: off of like evidence alone? You believe everything off of
[1:15:30] Speaker 14: the evidence that you know.
[1:15:34] Speaker 1: I think evidence as long as you include rational thought,
[1:15:38] Speaker 1: I would say, yeah, I think all my beliefs are
[1:15:41] Speaker 1: based on evidence. But that being said, listen, if you've
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: got evidence to change my mind, I'm hoping to hear it.
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: I just my suspicion is you probably don't.
[1:15:54] Speaker 3: I would say, like more as a thought, like.
[1:15:58] Speaker 14: The thing about because you're never gonna have one hundred
[1:16:02] Speaker 14: percent evidence for everything, you know, like you sat down
[1:16:05] Speaker 14: in your chair this morning, you like say you would
[1:16:08] Speaker 14: go to a public place.
[1:16:10] Speaker 1: How do you calculate confidence in a proposition? Like having
[1:16:16] Speaker 1: one hundred percent evidence is a meaningless phrase. You just
[1:16:19] Speaker 1: need enough evidence to warrant a true belief. That's it.
[1:16:25] Speaker 14: The thing is God gave didn't give us evidence for
[1:16:28] Speaker 14: everything for a reason. You know, they they call it
[1:16:31] Speaker 14: faith for a reason.
[1:16:32] Speaker 1: I don't think he gave any evidence. I'm looking for
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: even a small, even one piece of evidence.
[1:16:39] Speaker 14: Although there's so many prophecies in the Bible that have
[1:16:41] Speaker 14: been like taking place, you know, like like the wars
[1:16:44] Speaker 14: that has been going on right now.
[1:16:46] Speaker 1: Like what can you show me that that was prophesied?
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: Because I don't think any of these prophecies came true.
[1:16:51] Speaker 14: But if you go in the Bible, and.
[1:16:57] Speaker 1: I read the entire Bible. That's why I don't believe
[1:17:00] Speaker 1: any of these prophecies are coming true.
[1:17:04] Speaker 14: You should know that there's many prophecies I can't show these.
[1:17:07] Speaker 1: I know that there's not because I have studied the Bible.
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: Like Jesus failed his own prophecies. Jesus said he was
[1:17:17] Speaker 1: coming back within the lifetime of his disciples, and then
[1:17:20] Speaker 1: he didn't. He lied to his direct disciples, but he
[1:17:24] Speaker 1: did not.
[1:17:25] Speaker 3: He did a lie.
[1:17:27] Speaker 1: He did lie.
[1:17:27] Speaker 2: You want me to show you where.
[1:17:30] Speaker 3: Y'all show me.
[1:17:32] Speaker 1: Matthew ten twenty three, Matthews sixteen, twenty seven, and twenty eight,
[1:17:36] Speaker 1: and Matthew twenty four, twenty nine through thirty four. I'll
[1:17:39] Speaker 1: start with Matthew ten twenty three. So he says when
[1:17:44] Speaker 1: he sends his disciples out to preach in the villages,
[1:17:47] Speaker 1: he says, when they persecute you in this town, flee
[1:17:49] Speaker 1: to the next. For truly, I tell you, you will
[1:17:52] Speaker 1: not have finished going through all the towns of Israel
[1:17:54] Speaker 1: before the Son of Man comes. And you know what
[1:17:56] Speaker 1: the coming of the Son of Man means.
[1:17:58] Speaker 3: Right, second coming with Christ.
[1:18:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's Daniel chapter seven. That's what he's referring to.
[1:18:04] Speaker 1: So it's the second coming. He's saying, you guys won't
[1:18:06] Speaker 1: even finish going through the towns, the towns around here
[1:18:11] Speaker 1: in Israel before I come back.
[1:18:14] Speaker 2: Funny, he didn't seem to come back.
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: And then he follows it up in Matthew sixteen says,
[1:18:19] Speaker 1: the Son of Man is to come with his angels
[1:18:21] Speaker 1: in the glory of his father, and then he will
[1:18:23] Speaker 1: repay everybody for what's been done. Truly, I tell you,
[1:18:27] Speaker 1: there is some standing here who will not taste death
[1:18:29] Speaker 1: before they see the Son of Man coming in his kingdom.
[1:18:31] Speaker 1: And they all taste to death. They're all gone, They're dead.
[1:18:35] Speaker 14: The thing is, how do you know he meant the
[1:18:37] Speaker 14: people that were alive in that time, you know. And
[1:18:40] Speaker 14: he said like he was going to come back, like
[1:18:42] Speaker 14: that's when he resurrected from after his crucify.
[1:18:45] Speaker 1: He said, there are some standing here. He's talking to
[1:18:48] Speaker 1: the people standing there with him.
[1:18:51] Speaker 14: How do you know if he's not talking about the
[1:18:52] Speaker 14: people today, because it talks about the last generation, there'll
[1:18:56] Speaker 14: be a generation.
[1:18:57] Speaker 2: He does not mention the last generation.
[1:19:00] Speaker 1: That that's a useless, redunctant statement to say that when
[1:19:03] Speaker 1: I come back a generation will be alive. That seems obvious.
[1:19:07] Speaker 1: You don't have to announce that. That's a nonsense statement. Also,
[1:19:12] Speaker 1: he says, some of you standing here, Like.
[1:19:17] Speaker 14: The thing is, there's translations, so you have to interpret
[1:19:20] Speaker 14: it in the right way. He doesn't like, how is
[1:19:23] Speaker 14: the lake of fire?
[1:19:24] Speaker 2: So the English translator got this wrong?
[1:19:27] Speaker 14: I'm not saying that there's different meanings to it.
[1:19:29] Speaker 2: Well, which word did they get wrong?
[1:19:32] Speaker 14: I'm not saying there's a wrong word. There's a different
[1:19:34] Speaker 14: meaning to it.
[1:19:35] Speaker 1: What does it mean to be standing there?
[1:19:41] Speaker 14: He can he can be talking about the people today.
[1:19:45] Speaker 14: It's just those interpretations to it.
[1:19:48] Speaker 1: He said, there are some standing here. That's present tense.
[1:19:55] Speaker 1: There are right now. No, there are right now people
[1:19:59] Speaker 1: standing here who will not taste death.
[1:20:01] Speaker 2: It's present tense. It's not the future.
[1:20:05] Speaker 14: There's people back then that got taken up to heaven
[1:20:09] Speaker 14: without death.
[1:20:10] Speaker 2: So what they're all dead now?
[1:20:15] Speaker 1: And no, not one of them, not one of them
[1:20:17] Speaker 1: after Jesus was taken up into heaven.
[1:20:19] Speaker 2: Unless you believe Mary was assumed into heaven.
[1:20:22] Speaker 1: The Catholic believes that Mary never experienced mortal death, that
[1:20:26] Speaker 1: she was assumed into heaven.
[1:20:29] Speaker 14: The thing is, people right now nobody is in heaven
[1:20:32] Speaker 14: besides God and Jesus. Nobody is in hell. The thing is,
[1:20:36] Speaker 14: people go to heaven after the resurrection happens, you know,
[1:20:39] Speaker 14: in the what revelations like with the sacoming of Christ, nobody's.
[1:20:43] Speaker 1: In heaven, nobody's in hell. But no, none of that
[1:20:45] Speaker 1: is meaningful. None of that's meaningful to the passage at hand.
[1:20:49] Speaker 1: The passage at hand is Jesus lying. He's saying, some
[1:20:53] Speaker 1: of you who are standing here with me now will
[1:20:56] Speaker 1: not taste death before you see the Son of Man
[1:20:58] Speaker 1: coming in his kingdom, which is the second Coming. And
[1:21:01] Speaker 1: they literally all tasted death, every one of them.
[1:21:03] Speaker 2: They're done.
[1:21:06] Speaker 14: Whatever he said he was going back to the kingdom,
[1:21:08] Speaker 14: how do you know he meants it as, Oh, I'm coming,
[1:21:11] Speaker 14: I'm going back to the kingdom.
[1:21:12] Speaker 3: I'm gonna.
[1:21:13] Speaker 1: I'd love for you to adjust the passage we're actually reading.
[1:21:17] Speaker 14: Because he I'm sure it meant that whenever he was resurrected,
[1:21:23] Speaker 14: that's what he meant by coming back.
[1:21:24] Speaker 1: He didn't say anything about resurrection. He says he's coming,
[1:21:27] Speaker 1: coming in his kingdom. That's the second coming, the Son
[1:21:30] Speaker 1: of Man coming in with the angels and judging everybody
[1:21:33] Speaker 1: that's the second coming.
[1:21:38] Speaker 3: Let me read this again.
[1:21:47] Speaker 14: So look, it says the glory of his father and them,
[1:21:52] Speaker 14: he will repay everyone for what he has done.
[1:21:55] Speaker 1: That's the second coming.
[1:21:56] Speaker 5: Whenever.
[1:21:57] Speaker 14: No, look, that's whenever he was crucified. No, it took
[1:22:00] Speaker 14: away everybody's sins.
[1:22:01] Speaker 1: Nope, it isn't say I'm going to forgive your sins.
[1:22:05] Speaker 1: He says, I'm going to repay. That's the judgment Matthew,
[1:22:09] Speaker 1: chapter twenty five, when he repays everybody for their sins,
[1:22:12] Speaker 1: for their deeds.
[1:22:15] Speaker 3: Repay me.
[1:22:16] Speaker 14: The thing is, it's not like Jesus took all versus away.
[1:22:19] Speaker 14: It's not like God saying I forgive you.
[1:22:21] Speaker 2: But then he's never going to pay everybody.
[1:22:24] Speaker 3: Jesus already paid for the sins.
[1:22:27] Speaker 1: Did he repay everybody for their deeds? Did he repay
[1:22:30] Speaker 1: people for their bad deeds through Jesus? Yes, oh Jesus.
[1:22:36] Speaker 1: So then the bad people are already punished. She said,
[1:22:38] Speaker 1: they're not in hell.
[1:22:42] Speaker 14: Jesus took our punishment.
[1:22:44] Speaker 2: So nobody goes to hell.
[1:22:47] Speaker 14: No, if you follow in Christ, you can go to
[1:22:49] Speaker 14: having people.
[1:22:50] Speaker 1: Is anyone in hell right now?
[1:22:53] Speaker 3: Nobody's in hell right now?
[1:22:54] Speaker 1: Okay, So no, one's been punished for their sins yet No,
[1:22:57] Speaker 1: because so then this didn't come true. Yeah, on judgment day,
[1:23:02] Speaker 1: what didn't come true?
[1:23:02] Speaker 7: Yet?
[1:23:02] Speaker 14: They will be judged. They were either answer the Kingdom
[1:23:05] Speaker 14: of So we'll.
[1:23:06] Speaker 2: Try this again.
[1:23:07] Speaker 1: If nobody's in Hell, if nobody's being punished for their sins,
[1:23:10] Speaker 1: if nobody has been judged yet, then Matthew sixteen twenty
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: seven hasn't come true. Because he's saying he's going to
[1:23:16] Speaker 1: come back with all of his angels in the glory
[1:23:18] Speaker 1: of his father, and he's going to repay everybody for
[1:23:20] Speaker 1: their deeds. That's Matthew twenty five thirty one, when he
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: comes back and he judges everybody according to their deeds.
[1:23:33] Speaker 14: The thing is people have the choice if they're going
[1:23:36] Speaker 14: to be judged for.
[1:23:37] Speaker 1: The seas because he can he can't help himself. You
[1:23:40] Speaker 1: don't know how to stay on topic, do you.
[1:23:42] Speaker 3: Well?
[1:23:43] Speaker 1: Listen, I'm not questioning who goes to Hell. I'm questioning
[1:23:45] Speaker 1: on whether or not Matthew twenty sixteen twenty seven to
[1:23:48] Speaker 1: twenty eight came true. It just didn't come back.
[1:23:51] Speaker 14: Thinking about the big picture right now, the thing is
[1:23:53] Speaker 14: you can't pick small little details out of it. It's
[1:23:56] Speaker 14: about the big picture, because there's many things though the
[1:23:58] Speaker 14: big picture is on the table to be misinterpreted.
[1:24:01] Speaker 1: The big picture is wrong too pure. The big picture
[1:24:06] Speaker 1: is even more wrong than the little picture. The idea
[1:24:08] Speaker 1: that God is sending people to burn, either for eternity
[1:24:12] Speaker 1: or until they're thrown into the lake of fire, for
[1:24:15] Speaker 1: merely not believing in him is crazy, especially if you
[1:24:19] Speaker 1: believe in a God that's perfectly just and a God
[1:24:22] Speaker 1: who is all loving. Let me ask you a question.
[1:24:26] Speaker 3: To ask you a question first, well, hold.
[1:24:28] Speaker 1: On, I want to know what you know. What you
[1:24:30] Speaker 1: think about hell? Do you think hell is permanent or
[1:24:33] Speaker 1: do you think it's temporary?
[1:24:34] Speaker 3: All is permanent?
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: Okay, so eternal damnation, suffering in fire and flames forever, yes, okay. Now,
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: the definition of justice is what do you know what
[1:24:46] Speaker 1: the definition of.
[1:24:47] Speaker 14: Justices people getting what they deserve.
[1:24:50] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[1:24:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, you get punished according to your sins.
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: Right, So like if somebody steals a candy bar when
[1:24:56] Speaker 1: they're thirteen years old, they get a different punishment than
[1:24:59] Speaker 1: somebody who I don't know, gas chambered six million people
[1:25:02] Speaker 1: in World War Two.
[1:25:03] Speaker 2: You would think those two people get different punishments.
[1:25:05] Speaker 14: Right, That is worldly things. The thing is nothing is.
[1:25:08] Speaker 1: It's just a yes or no no. I didn't stop
[1:25:11] Speaker 1: it is he answer no question? Do you think those
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: people should get the same punishment?
[1:25:15] Speaker 14: You're saying people that come on is have no respect.
[1:25:18] Speaker 14: But you can't let me finish my sentence. I'm going because.
[1:25:20] Speaker 1: You're and not answer my question. It's a yes or
[1:25:23] Speaker 1: no question. All I need is a yes or no.
[1:25:27] Speaker 14: The thing is Jesus. It wasn't fair with Jesus.
[1:25:29] Speaker 2: You can't stop himself. I didn't ask if it was fair.
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: Just pay attention. I ask you a yes or no question.
[1:25:36] Speaker 1: You can listen after you say yes or no. You
[1:25:38] Speaker 1: can say whatever bullshit you want. But you're gonna say
[1:25:40] Speaker 1: yes or no, or I'll stop you every time. Could
[1:25:44] Speaker 1: the person who steals a candy bar at thirteen receive
[1:25:47] Speaker 1: the same punishment as a person who gas chambered six
[1:25:51] Speaker 1: million people in World War two? Should they get the
[1:25:53] Speaker 1: same punishment.
[1:25:55] Speaker 3: On this world? No? It's not fair?
[1:25:57] Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, So it's not fair. Okay, So it's not
[1:26:01] Speaker 1: just is the right way to say it?
[1:26:02] Speaker 5: Then?
[1:26:03] Speaker 7: Right? Yeah?
[1:26:04] Speaker 3: It's not just?
[1:26:05] Speaker 2: Okay? Is God perfectly just?
[1:26:08] Speaker 3: Yes? He is?
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: Okay?
[1:26:10] Speaker 2: So is God then required to do the thing that
[1:26:12] Speaker 2: is just.
[1:26:14] Speaker 14: He's not required to do anything. He doesn't need us.
[1:26:17] Speaker 1: But if God, if God does what is just, then
[1:26:20] Speaker 1: it means he's going to give people punishments that are
[1:26:23] Speaker 1: proportional to their crimes.
[1:26:26] Speaker 3: That's what justice is.
[1:26:28] Speaker 14: People's crimes have been paid through Jesus Christ.
[1:26:30] Speaker 1: It is that's wrong, Jesus. Nope, you're wrong. Let me
[1:26:35] Speaker 1: show you what you're wrong, okay, because justice is not
[1:26:39] Speaker 1: in God's plan.
[1:26:40] Speaker 2: The only thing you get punished for.
[1:26:42] Speaker 1: Is whether whether or not you're willing to believe this
[1:26:44] Speaker 1: nonsense about Jesus. That's it. Because if you steal a
[1:26:47] Speaker 1: candy bar at age of thirteen and you don't accept
[1:26:51] Speaker 1: Jesus into your heart, you burn for eternity. If you
[1:26:54] Speaker 1: gas chambers six million people, you get sent to hell
[1:26:58] Speaker 1: for eternity.
[1:26:58] Speaker 2: It's literally the same punishment.
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: The only difference that can change your punishment is whether
[1:27:03] Speaker 1: or not you believe in the sky carcass and I don't.
[1:27:06] Speaker 1: That's it.
[1:27:07] Speaker 2: So God's not punishing you for your deeds.
[1:27:09] Speaker 1: He's punishing you for, you know, not not believing in
[1:27:14] Speaker 1: his supposed died in resurrected son.
[1:27:19] Speaker 14: The thing is everything isn't based on these. The thing is,
[1:27:22] Speaker 14: we're all born in sin. Jesus he wasn't born in sin.
[1:27:25] Speaker 14: He didn't have the temptations like we have, so.
[1:27:27] Speaker 1: Then he didn't overcome shit. If Jesus wasn't even tempted,
[1:27:30] Speaker 1: then he didn't do anything special.
[1:27:33] Speaker 3: It was just different than us.
[1:27:34] Speaker 1: So you just said he wasn't tempted of God.
[1:27:37] Speaker 3: He was tempted, but not in the way we were.
[1:27:39] Speaker 1: I will say that God can't be tempted. I'm pretty
[1:27:42] Speaker 1: sure James chapter one or two says that James Chapter one.
[1:27:46] Speaker 14: Jesus, you can't tempt God, which means you can't test him.
[1:27:49] Speaker 14: That's what Satan was trying to do to Jesus God.
[1:27:53] Speaker 1: So it says that it says that God does not
[1:27:56] Speaker 1: tempt anyone, nor does he or nor can he be tempted.
[1:28:01] Speaker 1: So if God can't be tempted, that means Jesus was
[1:28:03] Speaker 1: never tempted, which means he didn't overcome shit.
[1:28:07] Speaker 3: He was tempted by Satan. He told him to jump off.
[1:28:10] Speaker 1: Then he's not God God. He is God.
[1:28:13] Speaker 2: No, he can't be God can't be tempted.
[1:28:17] Speaker 14: So we got Jesus, the son God the Father, and
[1:28:19] Speaker 14: then we have the Holy all koree in one.
[1:28:21] Speaker 2: Is Jesus God?
[1:28:24] Speaker 3: Yes?
[1:28:24] Speaker 1: Okay?
[1:28:25] Speaker 2: Can God be tempted?
[1:28:36] Speaker 3: They're three different.
[1:28:38] Speaker 2: He said you as you no question. Can God be tempted?
[1:28:45] Speaker 1: Keep an answer?
[1:28:46] Speaker 2: Keep in mind the answers.
[1:28:47] Speaker 6: No.
[1:28:47] Speaker 1: James Chapter one thirteen says, no one, when tempted, should
[1:28:50] Speaker 1: say I am being tempted by God, for God cannot
[1:28:53] Speaker 1: be tempted by evil, and He himself tempts no one.
[1:28:58] Speaker 2: So God, he be tempted.
[1:29:00] Speaker 14: Tempted is because God put himself down into humility.
[1:29:04] Speaker 2: We'll try this again.
[1:29:06] Speaker 1: Can God be tempted.
[1:29:09] Speaker 14: In the form of Jesus. Yes, because God transformed itself
[1:29:12] Speaker 14: into a human. Okay, so Jesus is God. Ess Jesus
[1:29:15] Speaker 14: prayed to God. He's still the same thing. But the
[1:29:18] Speaker 14: thing is he humbled himself down. He has He had
[1:29:21] Speaker 14: to pray to God to perform miracles, so that.
[1:29:24] Speaker 1: He's not God. So Jesus Jesus is not God. That
[1:29:28] Speaker 1: he is well, No, he can't be God because he is.
[1:29:31] Speaker 1: Because it says that God can't be tempted.
[1:29:33] Speaker 14: But God limited himself down, limited his power. No, he
[1:29:37] Speaker 14: was washing people's feet and performing.
[1:29:39] Speaker 1: Miracles limiting your power, it doesn't mean that you lack
[1:29:42] Speaker 1: the power. So, for example, like, I know how much
[1:29:45] Speaker 1: I can lift. I worked out all my life, I
[1:29:47] Speaker 1: did football and wrestling. I know how much I can
[1:29:49] Speaker 1: lift pretty pretty on a regular even though I'm an
[1:29:51] Speaker 1: old man. Now, right, I could limit my power when
[1:29:54] Speaker 1: I'm wrestling with my nieces and nephews. I could do that.
[1:29:57] Speaker 1: That doesn't mean I'm not capable of more. Limited yourself
[1:30:00] Speaker 1: has nothing to do with whether or not you actually
[1:30:02] Speaker 1: do indeed possess the capability.
[1:30:11] Speaker 3: The thing is, so let's.
[1:30:14] Speaker 1: Actually get back on track. Let's let's finish this conversation
[1:30:16] Speaker 1: about hell. So in your worldview, the people who go
[1:30:19] Speaker 1: to hell are the people who don't believe in the
[1:30:21] Speaker 1: sky carcass.
[1:30:21] Speaker 2: I don't believe in the sky carcass.
[1:30:23] Speaker 1: Now it could be true even in your worldview, because
[1:30:26] Speaker 1: you believe in original sin, don't you. You believe that
[1:30:29] Speaker 1: we're sinful even like from birth?
[1:30:31] Speaker 3: Right, Yes, we're born in sin.
[1:30:33] Speaker 2: Okay, So do you believe in the age of accountability?
[1:30:39] Speaker 3: Age of accountability?
[1:30:40] Speaker 1: Yep?
[1:30:42] Speaker 3: Like, what's your mean?
[1:30:43] Speaker 1: Do you believe that a six year old is accountable
[1:30:46] Speaker 1: for their sins? Do they die and go to heaven
[1:30:47] Speaker 1: or Helm.
[1:30:50] Speaker 14: I think they go to heaven because whenever they're not
[1:30:52] Speaker 14: aware of sin, I think they go to heaven. Like
[1:30:56] Speaker 14: if it was a newborn baby and they die, they
[1:30:58] Speaker 14: I think they would go to heaven. Oh, I don't
[1:30:59] Speaker 14: think they'll be held accountable for that.
[1:31:01] Speaker 1: Okay, So eventually you become accountable for your sins, once
[1:31:04] Speaker 1: you're cognitive enough to be held accountable. We're going for now,
[1:31:08] Speaker 1: for the sake of argument, we're going to say that
[1:31:10] Speaker 1: that is age thirteen. Now, if you turn thirteen and
[1:31:15] Speaker 1: then you pass away, having not accepted Jesus, you went
[1:31:19] Speaker 1: to church and you're like, well, that doesn't make any sense.
[1:31:21] Speaker 2: I'm going to say no to that. That sounds ridiculous
[1:31:23] Speaker 2: to me.
[1:31:23] Speaker 1: And then you pass away. Do you go to heaven
[1:31:25] Speaker 1: or Helm?
[1:31:26] Speaker 3: You go to hell? If you're aware?
[1:31:29] Speaker 1: But that thirteen year old didn't commit any sins? He
[1:31:32] Speaker 1: has what's the sin?
[1:31:35] Speaker 14: There's many sins. Everybody has committed a sin.
[1:31:39] Speaker 1: What's the sin of the thirteen year old? Remember they're
[1:31:41] Speaker 1: not accountable for their sins until they're thirteen. I don't
[1:31:45] Speaker 1: know the person, but in the analogy, they didn't commit
[1:31:48] Speaker 1: any sins. They turned thirteen, they're accountable for their sins.
[1:31:51] Speaker 1: They haven't committed any sin yet. It's two days after
[1:31:55] Speaker 1: they've become accountable for their sins. They hit thirteen two
[1:31:58] Speaker 1: days ago, and then an unexpected accident happens and they die.
[1:32:02] Speaker 1: What's the sin that they committed that warrants going to hell?
[1:32:07] Speaker 14: I don't I couldn't know that because I don't.
[1:32:09] Speaker 1: Know the person right Well, in the in the analogy,
[1:32:12] Speaker 1: they did not commit a sin.
[1:32:13] Speaker 2: That's the funny thing about analogies.
[1:32:15] Speaker 3: They didn't commit a sin. They would go to heaven.
[1:32:17] Speaker 1: Okay, so then you don't believe. So you don't believe
[1:32:20] Speaker 1: in original sin because the original sin states that all
[1:32:24] Speaker 1: people will go to hell even if they didn't intentionally
[1:32:27] Speaker 1: commit a sin.
[1:32:29] Speaker 14: No, but you said they didn't commit a sin. You
[1:32:31] Speaker 14: didn't say they committed this so on accident, you said
[1:32:33] Speaker 14: they didn't commit a sin. They did never commit a sin,
[1:32:36] Speaker 14: they would go to heaven.
[1:32:37] Speaker 1: Just pay attention. If you believe if somebody who doesn't
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: commit a sin goes to heaven, that means you also
[1:32:44] Speaker 1: don't believe in original sin. The doctrine of original sin
[1:32:47] Speaker 1: entails that if you die at any age of accountability
[1:32:52] Speaker 1: having not accepted Jesus that you go to hell because
[1:32:55] Speaker 1: you have original sin. So alls you're saying right now,
[1:33:00] Speaker 1: you don't believe in original sin, and that's fine. I
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: just need you to be aware that you don't believe
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: in it.
[1:33:05] Speaker 3: What you said.
[1:33:06] Speaker 14: I do believe in original sin. But if you're born
[1:33:08] Speaker 14: in original sin, then you sins. The thing is, you
[1:33:10] Speaker 14: said that person would have never sinned, so they would
[1:33:13] Speaker 14: have gone to heaven.
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: No, original sin is not something you did. Original sin
[1:33:17] Speaker 1: is something that Adam and Eve did. I didn't commit
[1:33:19] Speaker 1: the original sin. So you do believe in original sin,
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: then you just don't understand how cause and effect work. Okay,
[1:33:30] Speaker 1: So a person who is tainted by original sin, imagine
[1:33:36] Speaker 1: they turned thirteen, they die having not accepted Jesus to
[1:33:40] Speaker 1: go to heaven or helm hell. Okay, even though they
[1:33:44] Speaker 1: didn't intentionally commit any sins. All they did was get born, Yes,
[1:33:49] Speaker 1: and you think that's just so. This is why your
[1:33:53] Speaker 1: your God concept is so deplorable to everybody who's not
[1:33:56] Speaker 1: a Christian, because your God will literally torture somebody in
[1:34:00] Speaker 1: hell fire. I don't know if you've ever touched a flame.
[1:34:02] Speaker 2: It hurts. It sucks.
[1:34:04] Speaker 1: Your God will torture people for literally fucking evert never
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: even committing one sin, for the sin of being born.
[1:34:13] Speaker 1: That's it.
[1:34:14] Speaker 2: That's a vile and disgusting thing to believe in.
[1:34:18] Speaker 14: Because people they will always always have the opportunity. I've
[1:34:24] Speaker 14: heard that people that have never, like you know, been
[1:34:27] Speaker 14: preached before, like during the Resurrection or whenever the second
[1:34:30] Speaker 14: Coming of Christ comes, people still have a second chance.
[1:34:34] Speaker 14: You know that people on the earth, they can either
[1:34:36] Speaker 14: accept the market beast or not, you know, the market
[1:34:38] Speaker 14: the beast. If they accept it, they can buy like
[1:34:40] Speaker 14: food and water and stuff. People that don't accept the
[1:34:42] Speaker 14: market the beast, they can still be saved, you know,
[1:34:44] Speaker 14: people that would have never reached people that were the
[1:34:48] Speaker 14: market the beast is irrelevant to what we're talking about.
[1:34:52] Speaker 1: We're talking about why God is sending people to Helm.
[1:34:55] Speaker 14: It's because they're sinners. They don't believe in not they.
[1:34:59] Speaker 1: Don't they're not sinners. They were just born. You've already
[1:35:02] Speaker 1: told me that. You've already told me that just being
[1:35:05] Speaker 1: born marks you immediately for hell. So God creates every
[1:35:09] Speaker 1: human being with their default position being hell. And do
[1:35:14] Speaker 1: you think that's just.
[1:35:17] Speaker 14: Like I said, if it was a newborn baby, they
[1:35:19] Speaker 14: were just born, right, and say they just died, they
[1:35:21] Speaker 14: died from birth, they would go to heaven.
[1:35:23] Speaker 1: I'm not talking about newborn babies. I'm talking about people
[1:35:25] Speaker 1: who reach the age of accountability. Okay, you think literally
[1:35:29] Speaker 1: just being born and then reaching the age of accountability
[1:35:33] Speaker 1: means you go to hell by default? That's horrific. Do
[1:35:41] Speaker 1: you have any little siblings, Do you have any nieces
[1:35:43] Speaker 1: and nephews? Do you think they should go to Hell
[1:35:48] Speaker 1: and burn at age thirteen for being born?
[1:35:51] Speaker 3: I don't have a saying, though, I ask what you would.
[1:35:54] Speaker 2: Think should happen.
[1:35:55] Speaker 1: Do you think they should go to hell and burn
[1:35:57] Speaker 1: for eternity for the mere fact of being born and
[1:36:00] Speaker 1: not yet accepting Jesus.
[1:36:02] Speaker 3: We all deserves to be in hell right now?
[1:36:05] Speaker 1: No, we don't. Nobody deserves hell. Literally, nobody deserves hell.
[1:36:09] Speaker 1: Not a single person, not a single fucking person deserves hell. Nope,
[1:36:14] Speaker 1: nobody ever, nobody.
[1:36:16] Speaker 2: Deserves torture for eternity.
[1:36:18] Speaker 1: Nobody deserves no. No, you don't, nor your mind has
[1:36:23] Speaker 1: been poisoned, and nobody.
[1:36:25] Speaker 2: Nobody deserves hell.
[1:36:27] Speaker 1: Everybody deserves nobody. I don't care how many times you
[1:36:30] Speaker 1: say it. It doesn't matter if you're a fucking sinner.
[1:36:32] Speaker 1: You don't deserve to be tortured by flames for eternity.
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: Everybody deserves a punishment that is proportional to their crime.
[1:36:39] Speaker 2: That's what it means to be just. That's why your
[1:36:42] Speaker 2: God is a walking contradiction. Because he claims to be just,
[1:36:45] Speaker 2: He will literally torture everybody for all of eternity with
[1:36:49] Speaker 2: hell fire. That's not justice, that's petty ass vengeance.
[1:36:55] Speaker 14: The reason he gives us the choice to go to
[1:36:57] Speaker 14: hell or having the thing is all right, if God don't,
[1:37:00] Speaker 14: you don't have to everybody, everybody, You don't have to
[1:37:03] Speaker 14: love me.
[1:37:03] Speaker 3: You're going to love me right now, and you.
[1:37:05] Speaker 14: Don't have the choice to. You don't have the choice
[1:37:08] Speaker 14: that commits, and you don't have you don't have free will.
[1:37:10] Speaker 14: You're gonna be in having with me for eternity.
[1:37:13] Speaker 1: Sin has nothing to.
[1:37:14] Speaker 2: Do with whether or not God has to send you
[1:37:15] Speaker 2: to hell.
[1:37:15] Speaker 1: You know that, right. God doesn't have to send you here. No, No,
[1:37:18] Speaker 1: he doesn't. Who created the consequences for sin?
[1:37:24] Speaker 3: God?
[1:37:25] Speaker 2: Could he have created different consequences.
[1:37:28] Speaker 14: He could, but he loved it so much to give us.
[1:37:30] Speaker 2: He loved us so much he had to tortures for eternity.
[1:37:33] Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not talking I'm not talking about Hey, hey,
[1:37:36] Speaker 1: pay attention. I'm not talking about free will. I'm talking
[1:37:39] Speaker 1: about consequences. Right, when my son disobeys me, I get
[1:37:43] Speaker 1: to choose the consequences. Right, I can choose to take
[1:37:49] Speaker 1: his tablet away. I can choose to withhold something from him.
[1:37:53] Speaker 1: Or I can choose to do what your God does,
[1:37:55] Speaker 1: and I could light him on fire. Right, so the
[1:37:57] Speaker 1: consequences Hold on, I pay attention, You'll learn something. So,
[1:38:01] Speaker 1: consequences aren't inevitable. They are decisions that are made by
[1:38:06] Speaker 1: the God. When God made the consequences of sin, he
[1:38:10] Speaker 1: didn't have to make eternal health fire the consequence. Right,
[1:38:14] Speaker 1: he could have made any infinite number of other consequences.
[1:38:18] Speaker 7: Right.
[1:38:20] Speaker 14: Thing is, you still get consequences even if it's a.
[1:38:23] Speaker 1: Yes or no. Could God have an infinite number of
[1:38:25] Speaker 1: alternative consequences aside from.
[1:38:27] Speaker 14: Help allows to give me a response, and I'm allowed
[1:38:29] Speaker 14: to give you a response.
[1:38:30] Speaker 1: No, I don't have to give you respect your response
[1:38:32] Speaker 1: to yes or no questions or yes or no.
[1:38:34] Speaker 3: So respectful to you the whole time. You have to
[1:38:36] Speaker 3: be respectful to me.
[1:38:37] Speaker 1: That's just I'm being respectful to you. But I'm being
[1:38:40] Speaker 1: respectful to you. But you have to answer yes or
[1:38:42] Speaker 1: no questions. If you ask me yes or no question,
[1:38:44] Speaker 1: I will give you a yes or no. What I'm
[1:38:46] Speaker 1: not going to do is pivot and evade and ramble.
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: I need a simple yes or no. Does God have
[1:38:52] Speaker 1: the capability of making the consequence for sin something other
[1:38:57] Speaker 1: than going to hell? Does he have the building?
[1:39:00] Speaker 3: Yes? And he does.
[1:39:01] Speaker 1: Okay, So the choice of going to hell is God's decision.
[1:39:05] Speaker 1: He chose that would be the consequence for every human
[1:39:08] Speaker 1: being that sinned. He chose that right because God choices No.
[1:39:14] Speaker 1: Try it again, Nope, wrung again. God chose the consequence
[1:39:17] Speaker 1: of the sin. Try to focus, Okay. So whether whether
[1:39:22] Speaker 1: or not we commit a sin is our choice. That's
[1:39:25] Speaker 1: our choice. I'm talking about the consequence. God chose the consequence,
[1:39:29] Speaker 1: and you've already admitted that God didn't have to set
[1:39:31] Speaker 1: those consequences. Let me ask you a question. If you
[1:39:34] Speaker 1: were God, what consequence would you set for your children's sinning?
[1:39:38] Speaker 1: What would you set I'm not God. I'm asking you
[1:39:41] Speaker 1: in your mind, if you were God right now and
[1:39:44] Speaker 1: your child sinned, what would your consequence be? What would
[1:39:47] Speaker 1: you set?
[1:39:50] Speaker 3: Like?
[1:39:50] Speaker 14: That's like, how could I answer that?
[1:39:52] Speaker 1: I'm not It's an easy question. Why why and what
[1:39:56] Speaker 1: would you set? What would your consequence be?
[1:40:01] Speaker 3: Like? What would you like?
[1:40:02] Speaker 14: I'm a human, Like if I was a father, I
[1:40:04] Speaker 14: would do like what any other father would do. Yeah,
[1:40:06] Speaker 14: a good.
[1:40:08] Speaker 1: Father would punish their children proportionately and not light them
[1:40:11] Speaker 1: on fire for eternity as fucking horrific. And it also
[1:40:15] Speaker 1: really pooh poohs this idea that God give you free will.
[1:40:17] Speaker 1: God didn't give you free will. God gave you an ultimatum.
[1:40:20] Speaker 1: He said, you will love me or you will burn
[1:40:22] Speaker 1: for eternity. That is not free will. That is not love.
[1:40:26] Speaker 1: That's coercionous. It's an ultimatum.
[1:40:29] Speaker 3: Can I say something?
[1:40:31] Speaker 14: M The thing is, God still punishes us on earth,
[1:40:35] Speaker 14: even believers.
[1:40:36] Speaker 3: We still get.
[1:40:37] Speaker 14: Consequences to our actions, just like any other father. You
[1:40:39] Speaker 14: did this, I'm going to take your tablet away. That's
[1:40:42] Speaker 14: still punishment, you know, YEA.
[1:40:44] Speaker 1: Say, first of all, that's not a claim you could
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: ever back up whatsoever?
[1:40:51] Speaker 3: Because God, how does God?
[1:40:53] Speaker 2: How does God punish people here on earth?
[1:40:56] Speaker 14: Like he could make us go through battles like say, oh,
[1:40:59] Speaker 14: like you lost your job, or like your house bread down,
[1:41:04] Speaker 14: something that can be conquence.
[1:41:06] Speaker 1: So God will burn your house down as a punishment.
[1:41:08] Speaker 1: He'll he'll break other people's free will to punish you.
[1:41:13] Speaker 3: It's not breaking your free will, it is.
[1:41:15] Speaker 1: It is, yeah, in fact, because if he's punishing you,
[1:41:18] Speaker 1: he's punishing the other members of your household. And if
[1:41:21] Speaker 1: he makes you lose your job, he's invoking somebody's free will.
[1:41:25] Speaker 1: He's eliminating somebody's free will to get them to fire.
[1:41:28] Speaker 14: You think of job, right, YadA, YadA.
[1:41:31] Speaker 1: Buddy, you're gonna make it worse. I don't know why
[1:41:34] Speaker 1: you guys do this.
[1:41:37] Speaker 3: All taken away? God did that to test his faith.
[1:41:41] Speaker 1: You're you went. You went bad, the worst you went.
[1:41:44] Speaker 1: You went from getting cooked to being a literal burnt
[1:41:47] Speaker 1: tire at this point. Okay, let's let's actually let's actually
[1:41:51] Speaker 1: talk about let's talk about job. Let's talk about job.
[1:41:56] Speaker 1: Job's family and all of his servants and his cattle
[1:41:59] Speaker 1: and oxen went. They all got torched, right, God gave
[1:42:03] Speaker 1: Satan permission to off them correct exactly. Yeah, And do
[1:42:07] Speaker 1: you think that was a good thing? And it's because
[1:42:11] Speaker 1: of sins but is it a good thing.
[1:42:14] Speaker 14: It's not a good thing because it's not a good thing.
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: No, God told Satan to do it, just so we're aware.
[1:42:24] Speaker 1: The thing is, there's no there's no First of all,
[1:42:28] Speaker 1: he didn't do it. Satan did God's bidding and God
[1:42:30] Speaker 1: told him to do it. And those people that were executed,
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: we have no information that they were horrible people.
[1:42:39] Speaker 14: Because everything God does is for a reason, we can't
[1:42:42] Speaker 14: question it.
[1:42:43] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think you should. That's why.
[1:42:45] Speaker 1: That's why you're stuck in this cult, because you've been brainwashed.
[1:42:48] Speaker 1: You've got You've got uh ship, what's the syndrome I'm
[1:42:52] Speaker 1: looking for. You've got Stockholm syndrome. That's what you've got.
[1:42:56] Speaker 1: You've got Stockholm syndrome.
[1:42:58] Speaker 14: You're just gonna make him so assumptions.
[1:43:01] Speaker 2: Not making assumptions.
[1:43:03] Speaker 1: It's a fact.
[1:43:03] Speaker 14: The thing is, it's not a fact. How could you
[1:43:06] Speaker 14: know that.
[1:43:07] Speaker 1: You believe in a god that literally hates you. That's
[1:43:11] Speaker 1: not hom syndrome?
[1:43:13] Speaker 14: So you would leave your dad because he punishes you,
[1:43:16] Speaker 14: because he's trying to be a good DoD.
[1:43:17] Speaker 3: So you do the right.
[1:43:18] Speaker 1: If my dad punished me by lighting me on fire
[1:43:21] Speaker 1: for eternity, yeah, I'd leave his ass in a second.
[1:43:24] Speaker 14: We have a choice, It's not.
[1:43:26] Speaker 1: We don't have a choice. We don't have a choice. No,
[1:43:30] Speaker 1: we already covered this. You don't have a fucking choice.
[1:43:33] Speaker 1: You're born with original sin. You don't have a choice.
[1:43:36] Speaker 14: And Jesus and God gave us Jesus so he can
[1:43:40] Speaker 14: pay for our sins.
[1:43:41] Speaker 1: No, Jesus didn't pay for ship. If Jesus paid for
[1:43:43] Speaker 1: our sins, he would have had to take our punishment.
[1:43:45] Speaker 1: But he didn't take our punishment. He did not take
[1:43:48] Speaker 1: our punishment. What's the punishment for sin? Pay attention in health?
[1:43:55] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:43:55] Speaker 2: Is Jesus burning in hell for eternity?
[1:43:58] Speaker 3: He went to health for three day?
[1:43:59] Speaker 1: Is Jesus is burning in hell for eternity he didn't
[1:44:03] Speaker 1: commit any sin. Is Jesus burning in hell for eternity?
[1:44:06] Speaker 7: No?
[1:44:06] Speaker 3: Because he didn't.
[1:44:07] Speaker 1: Okay, then he didn't take our punishment.
[1:44:10] Speaker 3: He did, he went into hell for three days.
[1:44:12] Speaker 2: Crazy, How you can't. We'll try this again.
[1:44:14] Speaker 1: Our punishment is eternal suffering in flames. Okay, So if
[1:44:19] Speaker 1: Jesus is not eternally suffering in flames, he didn't take
[1:44:22] Speaker 1: our punishment.
[1:44:24] Speaker 6: He did, he was a man.
[1:44:26] Speaker 2: We'll try this again.
[1:44:28] Speaker 1: What percentage of our punishment, did Jesus take one hundred percent? Okay,
[1:44:33] Speaker 1: then he should be burning in hell for eternity. One
[1:44:35] Speaker 1: hundred percent of our punishment is burning in hell for eternity.
[1:44:40] Speaker 1: He got rid of her sins with his Stop spiraling
[1:44:44] Speaker 1: into new talking points. Pay attention to the words coming
[1:44:46] Speaker 1: out of my mouth. Make yourself useful here one hundred percent.
[1:44:50] Speaker 1: Stop it one.
[1:44:54] Speaker 14: I have been respectable to you the whole time, and
[1:44:55] Speaker 14: you're saying these things even though I.
[1:44:57] Speaker 2: Need to calm down.
[1:44:59] Speaker 1: I know that you you're you're concussed right now because
[1:45:02] Speaker 1: your religion's being attacked and you have no way of
[1:45:04] Speaker 1: defending yourself. You have no idea what's happening, and you
[1:45:06] Speaker 1: want to pivot from one talking point to another. I
[1:45:09] Speaker 1: get it. I've been there. I was in your shoes before.
[1:45:12] Speaker 1: You need to take a deep breath and calm down.
[1:45:16] Speaker 1: The more you spiral, the worse this is going to
[1:45:18] Speaker 1: go for you. So just calm down and calmly answer
[1:45:22] Speaker 1: my questions. They're very easy. So we'll try this again.
[1:45:27] Speaker 1: The punishment for our sins is eternal torture in flames, right,
[1:45:32] Speaker 1: which means if Jesus takes one hundred percent of our punishment.
[1:45:38] Speaker 1: He must be tortured forever in hell fire. That's what
[1:45:43] Speaker 1: one hundred percent means. You can't say that going in
[1:45:47] Speaker 1: for three days makes you take one hundred percent of
[1:45:51] Speaker 1: the punishment, because it doesn't. That's not even one percent.
[1:46:01] Speaker 1: Do you follow so far? This must be his first
[1:46:05] Speaker 1: time on TikTok. He doesn't know how to ummute himself.
[1:46:12] Speaker 1: All right, Okay, do you understand how percentages work?
[1:46:15] Speaker 3: Yes?
[1:46:16] Speaker 2: Okay.
[1:46:16] Speaker 1: So if a one hundred percent of our punishment is
[1:46:20] Speaker 1: eternal suffering in hell fire, and Jesus did not suffer
[1:46:23] Speaker 1: eternally in hell fire, that means he did not take
[1:46:25] Speaker 1: one hundred percent of her punishment. Do you understand?
[1:46:29] Speaker 14: Like I said, we can't question God's ways now.
[1:46:32] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you if you're if you're a question?
[1:46:33] Speaker 1: I said, do you understand how one hundred percent works?
[1:46:37] Speaker 3: Yes?
[1:46:38] Speaker 1: Okay? Did Jesus take one hundred percent of her punishment
[1:46:41] Speaker 1: on himself?
[1:46:42] Speaker 9: Yes?
[1:46:43] Speaker 3: He did?
[1:46:43] Speaker 1: Okay, Well, then you're a liar and you're going to
[1:46:45] Speaker 1: hell yourself. And it's okay if you're not mature enough
[1:46:48] Speaker 1: to have this conversation, if you can't handle.
[1:46:51] Speaker 3: How God, if you can't believe in.
[1:46:53] Speaker 1: If you can't handle how one hundred percent works, there's
[1:46:57] Speaker 1: no hope for you. There's nothing I can do for you.
[1:46:59] Speaker 1: Right Like, if you think one or two days is
[1:47:02] Speaker 1: equivalent to eternity, and when you were talking about one
[1:47:05] Speaker 1: hundred percent of eternity, then you're in the wrong place.
[1:47:08] Speaker 1: You had to go back to school, get your ged,
[1:47:11] Speaker 1: take your math class, coming back and talk to me.
[1:47:14] Speaker 1: I hope you understand how value your religion is. It's
[1:47:16] Speaker 1: a toxic Stockholm syndrome death cult, and it's completely destroyed
[1:47:21] Speaker 1: your brain and your thinking capacity. All right, moving on,
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: we'll get a couple of super chats, get our next
[1:47:26] Speaker 1: questing here you, Vas says, look or stream. I am
[1:47:29] Speaker 1: a sponge soaking up all this knowledge. Well, Vas, thank
[1:47:32] Speaker 1: you so much for being here. I appreciate you supporting
[1:47:34] Speaker 1: the stream and we try we try to be educational.
[1:47:38] Speaker 1: And Spencer says, oh my Doug, check out Tim mention,
[1:47:42] Speaker 1: thank you, God is dead. God is dead.
[1:47:45] Speaker 2: I've listened. He's in my browser now. I'm sorry.
[1:47:48] Speaker 1: I've never heard of Tim, but he seems to be
[1:47:50] Speaker 1: pretty popular today, so I'll definitely give Tim a listen.
[1:47:53] Speaker 1: And hard work says when my faith was shaken in
[1:47:55] Speaker 1: Doug by some heretics, I prayed mightily to know whether
[1:47:59] Speaker 1: or not he really beats paper. He assured me he
[1:48:01] Speaker 1: has it covered. Oh that's a great play on words.
[1:48:05] Speaker 1: That's a great play on words. It really is. That's
[1:48:08] Speaker 1: that's the thing. And remember paper comes from Doug, right,
[1:48:11] Speaker 1: Doug is the ground. Trees come from the ground. Paper
[1:48:15] Speaker 1: comes from trees, which means paper is just grounded. And Doug,
[1:48:19] Speaker 1: it's nonsense. I think that paper could defeat Doug. It's
[1:48:22] Speaker 1: silly design. My friend, great to see you today, says
[1:48:24] Speaker 1: in my opinion, I understand the eternity of the universe
[1:48:27] Speaker 1: by arriving at an arbitrary point between zero and one.
[1:48:30] Speaker 1: Even as zero in one exists, there is no real
[1:48:33] Speaker 1: number just after zero or before one, hence no beginning
[1:48:37] Speaker 1: or end.
[1:48:37] Speaker 2: Well, I don't disagree with you.
[1:48:39] Speaker 1: And this is where like the goofballs really get tied
[1:48:42] Speaker 1: up on the eternity. Nonsense is they'll say like, well,
[1:48:46] Speaker 1: if there's an infinite pass, you'll never arrive at today.
[1:48:49] Speaker 2: But it's a category error.
[1:48:51] Speaker 1: You're saying if you start at an infinite pass, you'll
[1:48:54] Speaker 1: never arrive at today, But you can't start at an
[1:48:56] Speaker 1: infinite point because the infinite point is not finite.
[1:49:00] Speaker 2: All points, however, are finite.
[1:49:02] Speaker 1: So the minute you put a point on the timeline,
[1:49:04] Speaker 1: you're no longer at the point of infinity because infinity
[1:49:07] Speaker 1: is not a point. You're at a point in the timeline,
[1:49:09] Speaker 1: and there's not infinite points between two different points in
[1:49:11] Speaker 1: the timeline. It's crazy that they can't get it. And
[1:49:15] Speaker 1: Hugh says, this collar has me craving pretzels. Going to
[1:49:17] Speaker 1: get some sour dough later. Actually, pretzels sound really good,
[1:49:20] Speaker 1: some salty ones. Actually I was a little rough on him.
[1:49:24] Speaker 1: Maybe I could have been nicer, but he was driving
[1:49:26] Speaker 1: me crazy with his inability to actually have honest dialogue. Daniel,
[1:49:30] Speaker 1: thank you for the super chat, It says, Christians are
[1:49:32] Speaker 1: always cheering about Jesus coming, but when I do I
[1:49:35] Speaker 1: disappoint my wife.
[1:49:39] Speaker 2: You're you Jesus.
[1:49:40] Speaker 1: PS love you justin praise Thug and Jered. That's a
[1:49:42] Speaker 1: good one, Daniel, Yeah, yeah, I'm so. First of all,
[1:49:44] Speaker 1: I'm sorry about your situation with your wife. I wish
[1:49:47] Speaker 1: you were able to carry a load better than Jesus.
[1:49:52] Speaker 1: So I mean, Jesus says that he'll make your load light.
[1:49:56] Speaker 1: And since you don't believe in Jesus, I assume that
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: you still have a heavy load. I don't know how
[1:50:00] Speaker 1: you're not being able to get to your partner, but
[1:50:02] Speaker 1: Doug can help you with that. He'll make you rock
[1:50:04] Speaker 1: hard and drive. Protus says, paradox, if child before the
[1:50:08] Speaker 1: Age of accountability blasphems the Holy Spirit, do they go
[1:50:11] Speaker 1: to heaven or hell either forgivable or age is meaningless.
[1:50:15] Speaker 1: So this is a good point. And Mark chapter two
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: talks about the unforgivable sin and if it is unforgivable,
[1:50:21] Speaker 1: that means when they get to the age of accountability,
[1:50:24] Speaker 1: they can't actually get forgiven for it. But I think
[1:50:27] Speaker 1: most Christians would side with well, a sin under the
[1:50:30] Speaker 1: age of accountability isn't really a sin because you don't
[1:50:33] Speaker 1: know what you're doing. I think that's probably how they
[1:50:35] Speaker 1: would handle it. Good thought though, and Design says, oh please, please,
[1:50:38] Speaker 1: can my God torture Yeah? The Christians? Isn't that great?
[1:50:41] Speaker 1: And they're crazy that they'll they literally get up here
[1:50:43] Speaker 1: and believe they have been so tricked and mentally abused
[1:50:48] Speaker 1: by their religion that they'll come up and say I
[1:50:50] Speaker 1: deserve me personally, not me justin but them the guests
[1:50:55] Speaker 1: will say I deserve to be torture for eternity. That's
[1:50:58] Speaker 1: fucking crazy, that's child abuse. And actor says, thank you
[1:51:01] Speaker 1: Calller for highlighting the childnish of your silly moral system.
[1:51:04] Speaker 1: Doing great things for atheism. I know nothing creates better
[1:51:07] Speaker 1: atheists than just reading the silliness of the book and
[1:51:10] Speaker 1: just putting it into words and logical arguments. Trek my
[1:51:13] Speaker 1: friend thank you, or Tarik thank you for the six
[1:51:15] Speaker 1: ninety nine says, Jesus fulfilled the law, but how did
[1:51:19] Speaker 1: he fulfill the woman of her property laws or the
[1:51:22] Speaker 1: menstruation purification laws unless Jesus was trans. I agree Jesus
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: couldn't fulfill all the law unless he was in back
[1:51:28] Speaker 1: trans another reason to believe that Jesus was trans, which
[1:51:31] Speaker 1: obviously he was, So I'm with you on that one.
[1:51:35] Speaker 1: Far Scape Forever. Thank you so much for the twin
[1:51:37] Speaker 1: hours superchat. Big w my friend says, Unfortunately I can't stay.
[1:51:40] Speaker 1: Got a head out for some pizza and Margarita's shooters. Hell, yeah,
[1:51:44] Speaker 1: have some for me. They metamorphic, y'all are my igneous inspiration.
[1:51:48] Speaker 1: Praised Doug, Well, thank you so much. I appreciate you
[1:51:51] Speaker 1: stop and buy the super chat and to hang out
[1:51:52] Speaker 1: with us for a little bit. Enjoy the eats. I
[1:51:56] Speaker 1: certainly wish I could join you. We'll get a couple
[1:51:59] Speaker 1: more in here. Doug Brown. Good to see it today,
[1:52:01] Speaker 1: says as Doug's namesake, I'm loving these daytime streams. Great
[1:52:05] Speaker 1: work as always. Well, thank you so much, Doug Brown,
[1:52:07] Speaker 1: appreciate it, my friend. Glad we can meet your time slot.
[1:52:11] Speaker 1: And Raphael says, God graped mary blood, magic, human sacrifice.
[1:52:14] Speaker 1: Let someone be punished for your sins. Yeah, you Christians
[1:52:17] Speaker 1: have the truth. Isn't it crazy that they'll stand on
[1:52:20] Speaker 1: the truth while admitting that their God does all these atrocities.
[1:52:24] Speaker 1: They don't see them as atrocities, but we know better.
[1:52:27] Speaker 1: Matthew says, I want another drunk history show, but have
[1:52:29] Speaker 1: about the Bible. Drunk people are retelling Bible stories would
[1:52:32] Speaker 1: be gold. So actually, Matthew, I reached out to somebody
[1:52:36] Speaker 1: that did I think about five or six episodes on
[1:52:38] Speaker 1: TikTok of drunk Bible stories. They were phenomenal, absolutely phenomenal.
[1:52:46] Speaker 1: I loved them, and then they got caught up doing
[1:52:48] Speaker 1: other things. I emailed that person about doing more about
[1:52:53] Speaker 1: me doing a series with them. I didn't get a reply.
[1:52:57] Speaker 1: Maybe I will sometime, but I want to. I really
[1:53:00] Speaker 1: want to do drunk Bible stories. I just need a partner.
[1:53:03] Speaker 1: You always need somebody asking questions in filming, and you
[1:53:05] Speaker 1: need one person to be consuming the alcohol. So in
[1:53:10] Speaker 1: some time in the future, we're gonna make this a reality.
[1:53:12] Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. And Cranky says, hey, Justin, it's been
[1:53:15] Speaker 1: a minute. Happy to be listening while at work in
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: the yard. Top notches always keep holding theist's feet to
[1:53:21] Speaker 1: the fire. Well, Cranky, great to see your friend. Thank
[1:53:24] Speaker 1: you for supporting the channel. I hope your yard work
[1:53:26] Speaker 1: is going well and I appreciate you supporting the Channel.
[1:53:29] Speaker 1: My friend Emir coming in again, says I feel like
[1:53:32] Speaker 1: nonsense spirituality. I feel like nonsense spirituality a lot. Also,
[1:53:37] Speaker 1: have you seen any of her stuff? I think you
[1:53:39] Speaker 1: mean you I like no nonsense. Okay, so the channel
[1:53:44] Speaker 1: is no nonsense spirituality by Britt Hartley, and you like her.
[1:53:48] Speaker 1: I think she's great too. I just don't agree with
[1:53:50] Speaker 1: her on spiritualness. I don't believe in spirits or spiritualness,
[1:53:54] Speaker 1: but she's amazing. She's a great creator. I love her
[1:53:57] Speaker 1: to death, and he says, I think autocorrect. There you go,
[1:54:01] Speaker 1: no nonsense. Spirituality is the creator. The guest was a
[1:54:04] Speaker 1: referring to Yes, that's that's the guest, and she's got
[1:54:06] Speaker 1: a great channel for those who deconstructed but are still
[1:54:09] Speaker 1: kind of into the spiritual side of things. All right,
[1:54:11] Speaker 1: last one from our friend David Burke. Thank you so much,
[1:54:14] Speaker 1: David big big w. Super generous, my friend. Thank you
[1:54:17] Speaker 1: for the ninety nine point ninety nine dollars, super chat
[1:54:21] Speaker 1: huge w David big big W. I appreciate that, friend,
[1:54:24] Speaker 1: And with that, we are going to grab our next
[1:54:27] Speaker 1: believer and get them into the queue. And as far
[1:54:31] Speaker 1: as I can tell, Fur was next in line, so
[1:54:35] Speaker 1: we'll bring Fur into the conversation. How you doing for
[1:54:41] Speaker 1: for hurry with us? Is boots with you?
[1:54:48] Speaker 3: No?
[1:54:50] Speaker 1: Okay, Well that's unfortunate. All right, I guess we'll move
[1:54:55] Speaker 1: on to the next one that was in our TikTok q,
[1:54:57] Speaker 1: which appears to be notification welcome in. Hello, thank you,
[1:55:07] Speaker 1: thank you.
[1:55:07] Speaker 15: I've been waiting here a little while, but it's been
[1:55:09] Speaker 15: both very entertaining and educational.
[1:55:13] Speaker 3: This is awesome.
[1:55:14] Speaker 1: Well, thanks for being here. Notification. Are you at least eighteen?
[1:55:16] Speaker 1: And do you believe in some kind of a higher power? Yes?
[1:55:19] Speaker 3: And yes?
[1:55:20] Speaker 1: Cool?
[1:55:21] Speaker 2: And which higher power do you believe in?
[1:55:24] Speaker 3: Islam?
[1:55:25] Speaker 2: Cool would be the most Yeah, that seems obvious.
[1:55:29] Speaker 1: Okay, So what's the most compelling evidence or argument for
[1:55:33] Speaker 1: your particular god being real?
[1:55:36] Speaker 15: So my argument is a two part argument. It's a
[1:55:39] Speaker 15: necessary being. So, for example, infinite regress of dependent things
[1:55:46] Speaker 15: necessary cause or necessary.
[1:55:47] Speaker 3: Being necessary being.
[1:55:51] Speaker 16: Okay, the infinite regress of dependent things for example, your phone, tablet, computer,
[1:55:57] Speaker 16: whatever you're using right now to be live, it depends
[1:56:01] Speaker 16: on many many things. For example, it depends on electricity.
[1:56:05] Speaker 16: The electricity depends on a grid. The grid depends on
[1:56:09] Speaker 16: I'm sure you can imagine, you know, humans running it.
[1:56:11] Speaker 16: The humans depend on food shell.
[1:56:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, I actually already know the argument from dependency.
[1:56:16] Speaker 1: You want to just run it for me?
[1:56:19] Speaker 3: Sure?
[1:56:19] Speaker 15: So in the Quran sort of NBA twenty one, chapter
[1:56:25] Speaker 15: twenty one, verse thirty, it mentions that one moment I've
[1:56:30] Speaker 15: reasment down you know, have any believers scene that the
[1:56:33] Speaker 15: heavens and the earth were joined together in one singularity?
[1:56:37] Speaker 15: Then we clothed them and asunder this is mentioned in
[1:56:40] Speaker 15: the Quran on four hundred years ago, over one four
[1:56:44] Speaker 15: hundred years ago.
[1:56:45] Speaker 17: Speaking of the Big Bang, scientists today, you did not
[1:56:49] Speaker 17: mention the Big Bang.
[1:56:51] Speaker 15: Well, this is mentioning one singularity.
[1:56:55] Speaker 1: It did not mention the singularity of the Big Bang.
[1:56:58] Speaker 1: That concept has no relation to what you're talking about.
[1:57:03] Speaker 3: What does it relate to?
[1:57:05] Speaker 1: Then?
[1:57:05] Speaker 3: If not, the Big.
[1:57:06] Speaker 2: Band certainly doesn't relate to the Big Bang.
[1:57:10] Speaker 3: It absolutely does, absolutely.
[1:57:12] Speaker 1: I'm not The singularity is not even an accepted cosmological
[1:57:16] Speaker 1: idea anymore. The singularity is a point at which the
[1:57:20] Speaker 1: math breaks down, like inside of a black hole.
[1:57:26] Speaker 17: It's a it's a concept, not a thing, right right, right, Okay,
[1:57:31] Speaker 17: that's interesting. Then I didn't think of it. This is
[1:57:35] Speaker 17: an easy win to you, my friend. I've got more
[1:57:37] Speaker 17: studying to do.
[1:57:38] Speaker 1: It does easy. You should have given me sh about that.
[1:57:41] Speaker 15: No, no, no, no, no that Look many times, you
[1:57:45] Speaker 15: know you need to hear from somebody else, you know,
[1:57:48] Speaker 15: And this is how the.
[1:57:48] Speaker 3: Learning process goes. So this is this has been great,
[1:57:51] Speaker 3: short and great.
[1:57:51] Speaker 2: Fuck you're so nice. Now I like it.
[1:57:53] Speaker 1: You're not supposed to do that.
[1:57:55] Speaker 3: Now, that's fine. I appreciate your ton Thank you.
[1:57:57] Speaker 1: Okay, cheers, buddy. Yes, I thought we were going to argue.
[1:58:05] Speaker 1: Turned out he was the kind one. I was the
[1:58:07] Speaker 1: asshole that time. Now I feel bad. I'm only supposed
[1:58:10] Speaker 1: to be ashole when they're an asshole.
[1:58:13] Speaker 3: Shit.
[1:58:14] Speaker 1: Oh well, well, sometimes you get a little excited and
[1:58:17] Speaker 1: things happen. Design the suspicions that the moral religious morally
[1:58:22] Speaker 1: religious abandoned God at the slight hint of moral test,
[1:58:26] Speaker 1: I ain't that, dude, Yeah, isn't that weird? That like
[1:58:30] Speaker 1: people who claim to be moral, Like, the minute you
[1:58:34] Speaker 1: talk about testing moral frameworks of God, they just they shrivel.
[1:58:39] Speaker 1: Why if your God is moral, why can't we test it?
[1:58:43] Speaker 1: I'm gonna grab three superchat's friends. Skyway says callers don't
[1:58:47] Speaker 1: seem to understand elementary level geometry. A line is endless,
[1:58:51] Speaker 1: a line segment isn't just like point zeros are. A
[1:58:54] Speaker 1: one percent of eternity is still is still an eternity.
[1:58:58] Speaker 8: It's not.
[1:59:01] Speaker 1: That's not how that works. A percentage of eternity will
[1:59:06] Speaker 1: never be eternity. You can ask a mathematician about that.
[1:59:09] Speaker 1: You know you'll be alive later. Sam says, absolutely infuriating
[1:59:12] Speaker 1: that guests can never answer hypotheticals. I'm not God's so
[1:59:17] Speaker 1: this is the thing that drives me crazy. Maybe this
[1:59:19] Speaker 1: is my problem. I hate it. I hate it when
[1:59:21] Speaker 1: I ask easy, easy clarifying questions to get to the
[1:59:26] Speaker 1: bottom of something and then they just evade rather than
[1:59:29] Speaker 1: answering the questions.
[1:59:30] Speaker 2: Why, what's the point?
[1:59:31] Speaker 1: Why are we having a conversation if you can't just
[1:59:33] Speaker 1: say yes or no before you ramble on about the
[1:59:36] Speaker 1: bullshit after that, I'm going to get Elijah in your
[1:59:39] Speaker 1: next although Elijah's connection looks like it's only half baked.
[1:59:43] Speaker 1: I've got Elijah pulled in, but I don't see Elijah.
[1:59:47] Speaker 1: Can I hear Elijah? Elijah? I think your connection's crapped
[1:59:52] Speaker 1: out or you don't have enough connection to actually get
[1:59:55] Speaker 1: into the guest box properly. I'm gonna drop you, connect
[1:59:58] Speaker 1: to your WiFi and try again, and we're going to
[2:00:01] Speaker 1: grab the next in line, which is Nate. How are
[2:00:04] Speaker 1: you doing, Nate? Hey?
[2:00:07] Speaker 18: Can you hear me?
[2:00:07] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[2:00:08] Speaker 1: I can hear him.
[2:00:09] Speaker 18: Yeah, thanks for having me. By the way, I'm not
[2:00:14] Speaker 18: an English native speaker, so form my English right.
[2:00:18] Speaker 2: New English is great, don't worry about that, thank.
[2:00:20] Speaker 18: You, But I can lack some You know some vocabulary
[2:00:23] Speaker 18: or something.
[2:00:25] Speaker 2: So, Nate, are you a believer?
[2:00:27] Speaker 18: Yes, I am cool.
[2:00:29] Speaker 2: Which okay, so your Christian dope?
[2:00:31] Speaker 18: Okay, And I heard I heard all your points, and
[2:00:35] Speaker 18: I understand where you're getting at. I would like to
[2:00:40] Speaker 18: talk about Matthew sixteen because I heard you talk about it.
[2:00:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, you want to tell me how it's actually about
[2:00:46] Speaker 1: the transfiguration, and I'll tell you why it's not.
[2:00:49] Speaker 18: Not really, no, but almost.
[2:00:55] Speaker 1: You want to tell me how it was John's vision
[2:00:57] Speaker 1: in the Book of Revelation, and I'm going to tell
[2:00:58] Speaker 1: you why that's not the case either.
[2:01:00] Speaker 18: Nopes, you're what's there? So first of all, I'd like
[2:01:06] Speaker 18: to quote tewod Peter chapter three, verse eight, which says,
[2:01:11] Speaker 18: but do not forget this one thing. They're friends with
[2:01:14] Speaker 18: the Lord. A day is like a thousand years, and
[2:01:17] Speaker 18: a thousand years are like a day.
[2:01:19] Speaker 3: So when you.
[2:01:21] Speaker 1: Can't literally believe that's the argument you're going to go with.
[2:01:24] Speaker 1: I gave you two two arguments in your favor. Even
[2:01:26] Speaker 1: better than that.
[2:01:28] Speaker 18: That's not my argument, but I would like to to
[2:01:31] Speaker 18: The first thing I would like to start with is
[2:01:34] Speaker 18: sometimes a day does not mean a literal day, just
[2:01:38] Speaker 18: like in Genesis the creation of the earth in six days.
[2:01:43] Speaker 18: But maybe it's not literal.
[2:01:46] Speaker 8: But I didn't say I.
[2:01:47] Speaker 1: Didn't say anything about days. Days have nothing to do
[2:01:49] Speaker 1: with this argument.
[2:01:50] Speaker 18: No, but like days, some of you like, sorry.
[2:01:57] Speaker 1: I didn't mention days. There's no mention of days in
[2:02:00] Speaker 1: the passage. We're not talking about days.
[2:02:03] Speaker 9: No.
[2:02:04] Speaker 18: But what I mean is time doesn't felt the same
[2:02:08] Speaker 18: way for God as it does for us.
[2:02:10] Speaker 1: Listen, listen, you can believe that we're not talking about that.
[2:02:13] Speaker 1: That has nothing to do with Matthew sixteen twenty seven eight,
[2:02:17] Speaker 1: completely unrelated.
[2:02:18] Speaker 18: You don't see you don't see my point.
[2:02:20] Speaker 1: No, your point is unrelated to the passage. The passage
[2:02:24] Speaker 1: doesn't give any number of days whatsoever.
[2:02:29] Speaker 18: No, But it's it's like, did you did you even read?
[2:02:33] Speaker 18: Some of you who are standing here will not taste death?
[2:02:36] Speaker 1: Yes?
[2:02:37] Speaker 18: Or do they see the Son of men coming?
[2:02:38] Speaker 6: Ye?
[2:02:39] Speaker 2: Did he mention a number of days in there?
[2:02:42] Speaker 3: No?
[2:02:42] Speaker 7: No?
[2:02:43] Speaker 1: Okay? What was what was what?
[2:02:45] Speaker 2: What was the what was the cutoff?
[2:02:49] Speaker 18: But what do you mean to cut off?
[2:02:51] Speaker 2: What was the cutoff for his timeline?
[2:02:57] Speaker 18: Some of you who are standing here will not taste death.
[2:03:01] Speaker 1: Before there you go? Okay, So the people standing there
[2:03:05] Speaker 1: tasting death is the timeline.
[2:03:07] Speaker 18: But now tell me what happens?
[2:03:10] Speaker 2: Did it say anything about days?
[2:03:13] Speaker 3: No? Tell me, I was thinking, okay, so the.
[2:03:15] Speaker 1: Days are irrelevant.
[2:03:16] Speaker 7: Okay.
[2:03:17] Speaker 1: So the disciples that were standing there with him at
[2:03:20] Speaker 1: that time, did they all die?
[2:03:22] Speaker 18: I was talking about the span of a specific span
[2:03:25] Speaker 18: of time.
[2:03:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not. I'm talking about Matthew sixteen, twenty seven
[2:03:28] Speaker 1: and twenty eight, which doesn't say anything about days. It
[2:03:32] Speaker 1: says there are people, Nate, slow down, you don't get it.
[2:03:37] Speaker 1: So Jesus himself said, there are some people standing here
[2:03:43] Speaker 1: who will not taste death.
[2:03:46] Speaker 18: So who is he talking to?
[2:03:47] Speaker 1: He's talking to his disciples at that moment. There are
[2:03:49] Speaker 1: disciples surrounding him that he's talking to. He says, some
[2:03:53] Speaker 1: of you standing here will not taste death, which means
[2:03:56] Speaker 1: some people will die and some people won't die. But
[2:03:59] Speaker 1: he's going to come back before all of them taste death.
[2:04:03] Speaker 18: How now can you explain? Thank you? So what did
[2:04:13] Speaker 18: happen at the cross?
[2:04:16] Speaker 1: What happened at the cross was he died and then
[2:04:18] Speaker 1: he probably got thrown into a mass grave and now
[2:04:21] Speaker 1: he's warm food.
[2:04:25] Speaker 18: Okay, man, that's conjecture.
[2:04:27] Speaker 1: Okay, conjecture. That's what happens to every human being when
[2:04:31] Speaker 1: they die.
[2:04:32] Speaker 18: I know. That's the point of a miracle, is that
[2:04:34] Speaker 18: it doesn't happen like every day.
[2:04:36] Speaker 2: The miracle is the conjecture.
[2:04:39] Speaker 18: Okay, anyways, anyways, it's off topic. So at the Cross,
[2:04:45] Speaker 18: the glory of the Father is revealed in that his
[2:04:50] Speaker 18: son wins against death, which is the wages for sin.
[2:04:57] Speaker 2: Did he come with all of his.
[2:04:58] Speaker 18: Angels to his own deaths? So that's what it means.
[2:05:02] Speaker 1: Well, none of that, None of that is actually addressing
[2:05:05] Speaker 1: the passage. So I wish you would actually address what
[2:05:07] Speaker 1: the passage says. Because the passage says that the son
[2:05:11] Speaker 1: of man is going to come with his angels. So
[2:05:13] Speaker 1: when Jesus was on the cross, did he come from heaven.
[2:05:16] Speaker 2: With all of his angels?
[2:05:18] Speaker 3: No?
[2:05:19] Speaker 1: Oh, so then that's not what's happening here.
[2:05:21] Speaker 18: Okay, just check on the glory that's unseen.
[2:05:25] Speaker 1: No, it doesn't say anything about unseen glory. He's talking
[2:05:28] Speaker 1: about specifically seeing the glory. He says, you're going to
[2:05:30] Speaker 1: see it.
[2:05:33] Speaker 18: Some of you who are sending hill will not taste death.
[2:05:36] Speaker 18: That's why Judas died before the crucifixion.
[2:05:41] Speaker 1: I actually try this again. The crucifixion is not the
[2:05:43] Speaker 1: second coming. This is the second coming. He says, The
[2:05:46] Speaker 1: Son of Man is going to come with his angels
[2:05:49] Speaker 1: and the glory of his father and repay everyone for
[2:05:51] Speaker 1: what has been done. This is Daniel chapter seven. In
[2:05:55] Speaker 1: Matthew chapter twenty five, this is when Jesus comes back
[2:05:59] Speaker 1: with all of the angels and judges mankind. That's what
[2:06:02] Speaker 1: it means to repay somebody for their deeds.
[2:06:07] Speaker 18: I don't fully agree.
[2:06:09] Speaker 1: Well, then, would you be wrong, because I'll just show
[2:06:12] Speaker 1: you in Matthew twenty five thirty one, where he tells
[2:06:14] Speaker 1: you exactly that will do. Matthew twenty five thirty one
[2:06:17] Speaker 1: through thirty four, it says, when the Son of Man
[2:06:22] Speaker 1: comes in his glory, weird, we just heard that right,
[2:06:25] Speaker 1: and all the angels with him. Isn't that like the
[2:06:27] Speaker 1: same exact thing he said in Matthew sixteen, coming in
[2:06:29] Speaker 1: the glory with all the angels. Okay, what's going to
[2:06:32] Speaker 1: happen when Jesus comes in the glory with all of
[2:06:34] Speaker 1: the angels. Says He's going to sit on the throne
[2:06:37] Speaker 1: of his glory, and all the nations will be gathered
[2:06:39] Speaker 1: before him and he will separate people one from another,
[2:06:41] Speaker 1: as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. That's
[2:06:44] Speaker 1: what Matthew sixteen is talking about. Didn't say shit about crucifixion.
[2:06:48] Speaker 1: If he was talking about the crucifixion, he could have
[2:06:51] Speaker 1: just said what he meant to say about the Crucifixion.
[2:06:54] Speaker 1: He didn't have to say something that was identical to
[2:06:57] Speaker 1: Matthew twenty five thirty one and then make Pians look
[2:07:00] Speaker 1: silly by saying no, words don't mean words. He set
[2:07:10] Speaker 1: you up for failure.
[2:07:11] Speaker 18: It's weird to me that you don't really see talking about.
[2:07:16] Speaker 1: It's weird to me that you can't be honest with
[2:07:18] Speaker 1: what it says. We'll go through it really slow, one
[2:07:23] Speaker 1: word at a time. The Son of Man is what
[2:07:26] Speaker 1: where do we get the idea of the son of
[2:07:27] Speaker 1: man coming anywhere? From?
[2:07:29] Speaker 2: Where does it come from?
[2:07:31] Speaker 18: In his father's sorry, in his father's glory?
[2:07:35] Speaker 1: Where does the idea come from?
[2:07:39] Speaker 18: I'm hearing Daniel seven.
[2:07:41] Speaker 1: Man comes from Daniel chapter seven and Daniel chapter seven.
[2:07:45] Speaker 1: We're in the judgment. God judges the people. All divine
[2:07:49] Speaker 1: authority is given to Jesus, and the judgment happens. He
[2:07:52] Speaker 1: sits on the throne of Judgment, just like it says
[2:07:54] Speaker 1: in Matthew twenty five. So Matthew sixteen twenty seven is
[2:07:58] Speaker 1: referring to the judgement says the son of Man is
[2:08:01] Speaker 1: to come with his angels in the glory of his
[2:08:03] Speaker 1: father and repay everyone for what's been done. This is
[2:08:07] Speaker 1: exactly what Matthew twenty five is saying, exactly what Daniel
[2:08:11] Speaker 1: chapter seven is saying. Now, I'm trying to figure out
[2:08:14] Speaker 1: why you're sitting here, Nate. I'm trying to figure out
[2:08:16] Speaker 1: why you're sitting here lying to my face that this
[2:08:20] Speaker 1: isn't referring to the judgment when it clearly is.
[2:08:24] Speaker 18: I'm not lying lying to you, which is I respect you.
[2:08:28] Speaker 18: I just want you to come to understand my point
[2:08:31] Speaker 18: of view. And the sorry.
[2:08:35] Speaker 1: Traditional reading, Oh no, the traditional reading of Matthew sixteen
[2:08:40] Speaker 1: is that it's referring to the Transfiguration, which is why
[2:08:43] Speaker 1: it's positioned right next to it. If you literally just
[2:08:46] Speaker 1: go to Matthew seventeen, verse number one, you get the Transfiguration.
[2:08:50] Speaker 1: It's positioned this way on purpose. The ancient early Church
[2:08:55] Speaker 1: believed that Matthew and I'm sorry that Mark was referring. Sorry,
[2:09:01] Speaker 1: the ancient church believed that Jesus was referring to the transfiguration,
[2:09:05] Speaker 1: which why in Matthew and Market's positioned right before the Transfiguration. Now,
[2:09:09] Speaker 1: I think that's a bad argument. I don't think that's
[2:09:11] Speaker 1: the case. I think it's just a lie about his
[2:09:13] Speaker 1: second coming. But the fact of the matter is, no
[2:09:16] Speaker 1: matter how you interpret it, it's not about the Crucifixion whatsoever.
[2:09:21] Speaker 18: I see one way where it can be. That's why
[2:09:24] Speaker 18: I was talking to you about it.
[2:09:25] Speaker 1: Actually, well, it can't be about the crucifixion because it
[2:09:28] Speaker 1: doesn't say one person will die. It says some some
[2:09:31] Speaker 1: of you will still be standing here. Some is always
[2:09:34] Speaker 1: more than one, which means it can't be about Judas.
[2:09:41] Speaker 18: Sorry, some who are standing here will not taste death.
[2:09:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, some is always more than one.
[2:09:47] Speaker 18: Yes, that's why Jesus is the only one not included
[2:09:51] Speaker 18: in the sum.
[2:09:53] Speaker 2: Oh, so some will taste death, right.
[2:09:57] Speaker 18: No, some who are saying hell will not taste death.
[2:10:00] Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, I can I understand what you're saying
[2:10:02] Speaker 2: with the sum.
[2:10:03] Speaker 1: If you're saying the sum is referring to the people
[2:10:04] Speaker 1: that are live, not to people that are dead.
[2:10:07] Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, so some of you standing here will not
[2:10:09] Speaker 2: take death.
[2:10:10] Speaker 1: I agree with you. You can, you can say that,
[2:10:12] Speaker 1: but that still has But Nate, n Nate, Nate, Nate,
[2:10:16] Speaker 1: stop talking. I don't know why. Nothing you say is
[2:10:18] Speaker 1: going to help your position right now, So like you're
[2:10:20] Speaker 1: wasting your breath.
[2:10:21] Speaker 18: So determine what.
[2:10:23] Speaker 1: In this passage says anything about the Crucifixion, which which
[2:10:27] Speaker 1: words in this passage would lead a rational individual to
[2:10:31] Speaker 1: think that this is about the Crucifixion and not the
[2:10:33] Speaker 1: Second Coming?
[2:10:34] Speaker 18: Not truly. That's why context is important.
[2:10:38] Speaker 1: I know the context, and I know that you don't
[2:10:39] Speaker 1: know it. That's why I'm asking about this particular verse,
[2:10:42] Speaker 1: in this particular verse, the one we're reading right now,
[2:10:45] Speaker 1: what words would lead anyone to believe that it's about
[2:10:48] Speaker 1: the Crucifixion.
[2:10:52] Speaker 18: Nothing?
[2:10:52] Speaker 2: But OK, there we go. That's all I needed.
[2:10:54] Speaker 1: So nothing in this passage would lead a rational person
[2:10:57] Speaker 1: to believe that it's about the crucifixion. Yet you're telling
[2:11:00] Speaker 1: me it's about to crucifixion, Which is why I'm saying,
[2:11:03] Speaker 1: you're here in a guest or you're in a guest
[2:11:05] Speaker 1: box lying to my face, because you are. The reality
[2:11:08] Speaker 1: is Matthew says the same thing, in ten twenty three
[2:11:12] Speaker 1: says Jesus is coming imminently. He says to his disciples,
[2:11:16] Speaker 1: when they persecute you in this town, flee to the next,
[2:11:18] Speaker 1: for truly, I tell you will not have finished going
[2:11:21] Speaker 1: through all the towns of Israel before the Son of
[2:11:23] Speaker 1: Man comes. That's Daniel chapter seven again, the Coming of
[2:11:27] Speaker 1: the Son of Man. He says the same thing in
[2:11:28] Speaker 1: Matthew chapter twenty four. He gives all the signs of
[2:11:31] Speaker 1: the end, and then he says, this generation will not
[2:11:34] Speaker 1: pass away until all of these things have happened. He says, truly,
[2:11:38] Speaker 1: I tell you, this generation will not pass away until
[2:11:40] Speaker 1: all of these things have taken place. Jesus says on
[2:11:42] Speaker 1: multiple occasions that he's coming back the judgment. The end
[2:11:46] Speaker 1: is imminent within this generation, before everyone's dead.
[2:11:51] Speaker 18: That's what also what I was referencing when I said
[2:11:54] Speaker 18: second Peter three to eighth.
[2:11:57] Speaker 1: No, he doesn't say anything about days. I don't Second
[2:12:00] Speaker 1: Peter three is irrelevant. We're not talking about a number
[2:12:02] Speaker 1: of days. We're talking about what it means to be
[2:12:06] Speaker 1: alive at that time and what a generation is.
[2:12:09] Speaker 18: Yes, but that's exactly what I mean generations.
[2:12:13] Speaker 1: A generation is not plural, this is a singular and
[2:12:16] Speaker 1: he says this generation, the one currently alive. The same
[2:12:19] Speaker 1: thing in Matthew sixteen when he says some of you
[2:12:22] Speaker 1: standing here, the same thing in Matthew ten twenty three
[2:12:26] Speaker 1: when he tells his disciples that you won't even finish
[2:12:29] Speaker 1: going throughout these towns before I come back. All of
[2:12:32] Speaker 1: these things are easy, clear predictions for when his second
[2:12:36] Speaker 1: coming is going to be, and none of them include
[2:12:39] Speaker 1: a day count, not a single day count.
[2:12:44] Speaker 18: But I okay, anyways, let's show use topics because you
[2:12:48] Speaker 18: don't you still.
[2:12:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't. I won't let you lie to me.
[2:12:52] Speaker 19: I know, No, I'm not lying to you, Bro, you're
[2:12:55] Speaker 19: absolutely lying to my face. I'm just if I would
[2:12:59] Speaker 19: if I was lying, I wouldn't respect you. And I'm
[2:13:01] Speaker 19: telling you I'm respecting you. That's why I'm trying.
[2:13:03] Speaker 18: To talk to you.
[2:13:04] Speaker 3: Right, fair enough, So yeah.
[2:13:09] Speaker 18: Let's let's share topics, but respectfully. Yeah, you're you're talking
[2:13:14] Speaker 18: about you're also talking about how it's how it's unfair, right,
[2:13:19] Speaker 18: how hell's unfair?
[2:13:21] Speaker 1: Something is unjust. Now, part of being just requires you
[2:13:25] Speaker 1: to do the fair thing. So that's not God like
[2:13:28] Speaker 1: if God doesn't do things that are fair. That just
[2:13:30] Speaker 1: means he's not all just, and that's fine. If you
[2:13:32] Speaker 1: believe in God that's not all just, you can believe
[2:13:34] Speaker 1: in that bitch ass punk. I won't.
[2:13:38] Speaker 18: I believe in a God that's all just and also
[2:13:43] Speaker 18: all loving.
[2:13:44] Speaker 1: Is he all fair.
[2:13:48] Speaker 18: Because he invented conscious?
[2:13:50] Speaker 1: Yes? Or no? Is he all fair?
[2:13:54] Speaker 8: He is?
[2:13:54] Speaker 2: Does he give fair punishments?
[2:13:58] Speaker 3: Yes?
[2:13:59] Speaker 1: Okay, so you think it fair for a child who
[2:14:02] Speaker 1: steals a candy bar to get the same punishment as Hitler.
[2:14:08] Speaker 5: No?
[2:14:09] Speaker 2: Okay, then he's not fair, which means he's not just.
[2:14:12] Speaker 1: That was easy. No, because the pretzels you have to
[2:14:18] Speaker 1: twist yourself into to defend this nonsense is crazy. I
[2:14:21] Speaker 1: don't know why you hurt yourself this way.
[2:14:23] Speaker 18: I don't hurt myself. I should I've never lived a
[2:14:26] Speaker 18: better life than.
[2:14:32] Speaker 1: Well, you've already concluded that hell's not fair, right.
[2:14:35] Speaker 18: Children are close to God in a way that the
[2:14:39] Speaker 18: adults aren't.
[2:14:42] Speaker 1: Do thirteen year olds go to Hell if they sin
[2:14:44] Speaker 1: without Jesus?
[2:14:48] Speaker 18: It depends? Because do sixteen.
[2:14:50] Speaker 1: Year olds go to Hell if they don't repent? I
[2:14:52] Speaker 1: don't care.
[2:14:53] Speaker 2: Give me an age? What age do you become accountable?
[2:14:55] Speaker 1: For your sins.
[2:14:56] Speaker 18: It depends on which knowledge you have, which opportunities you
[2:15:01] Speaker 18: have to come to knowledge of Jesus.
[2:15:04] Speaker 2: Well, shit, I don't care.
[2:15:06] Speaker 1: Eighteen. Then if an eighteen year old becomes accountable for
[2:15:09] Speaker 1: their sins at age eighteen, and they commit one sin
[2:15:13] Speaker 1: and one sin only, do they go to hell.
[2:15:17] Speaker 18: If they choose not to accept Jesus?
[2:15:20] Speaker 1: Yes, okay. And if you live to eighty and you
[2:15:23] Speaker 1: execute six million people with a gas chamber, do you
[2:15:27] Speaker 1: go to Hell?
[2:15:30] Speaker 18: Absolutely?
[2:15:31] Speaker 1: Okay.
[2:15:31] Speaker 2: Are the crimes vastly different?
[2:15:34] Speaker 18: Yes?
[2:15:35] Speaker 2: Are the punishment the same?
[2:15:39] Speaker 18: No?
[2:15:40] Speaker 1: No, they're both tortured for eternity, but they're not the
[2:15:43] Speaker 1: same punishment.
[2:15:45] Speaker 18: It's not the same level of torture.
[2:15:47] Speaker 2: What's the difference.
[2:15:48] Speaker 18: If you studied the Olympic explain, if you studied the
[2:15:52] Speaker 18: idea of theosis, that's that's an orthodox Christian ideas explained
[2:16:00] Speaker 18: that maybe Heaven and Hell are the same place. It's
[2:16:04] Speaker 18: just in the presence of God.
[2:16:06] Speaker 1: Heaven does sound like Hell? I agree.
[2:16:08] Speaker 18: And according to the level of how close you are
[2:16:15] Speaker 18: to God's heart, like how close you you are, what
[2:16:20] Speaker 18: kind of relationship you have to him, it can feel
[2:16:24] Speaker 18: like Heaven and it can feel like Hell.
[2:16:26] Speaker 1: Okay, so you get tortured by fire in heaven and Helm.
[2:16:30] Speaker 18: No, that's they're not separate places.
[2:16:33] Speaker 1: Right, So there's fire in heaven and in Hell. That's
[2:16:35] Speaker 1: what you said.
[2:16:38] Speaker 18: No, it's not that. It's Heaven is the dwelling place
[2:16:40] Speaker 18: of God and Hell is the dwelling Okay, so we'll
[2:16:44] Speaker 18: just try this again.
[2:16:45] Speaker 1: Okay, if Heaven and Hell are the same place and
[2:16:48] Speaker 1: you get tortured in fire, if you go to Hell,
[2:16:50] Speaker 1: that means you also are among fire in heaven.
[2:16:57] Speaker 18: No, because you have to you know it, don't have just.
[2:17:01] Speaker 2: Just give me.
[2:17:01] Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna put it on a notepad for
[2:17:03] Speaker 1: you to make this really really a linear one second,
[2:17:06] Speaker 1: I got to open up an online notepad and type
[2:17:10] Speaker 1: this because you can't see my Okay, we're gonna put
[2:17:14] Speaker 1: this on the screen for you. We'll just make this
[2:17:17] Speaker 1: really okay. So, uh, we're just gonna say A is
[2:17:23] Speaker 1: equal to B is premise number one.
[2:17:26] Speaker 2: Just you listen.
[2:17:27] Speaker 1: The more you talk, the worst this is gonna get
[2:17:29] Speaker 1: for you. So just just pay attention. We're gonna do
[2:17:31] Speaker 1: like a super like logical syllogism here. Can you can?
[2:17:35] Speaker 2: Can you follow them out?
[2:17:36] Speaker 3: Okay.
[2:17:36] Speaker 1: So, so premise number one is Premise number one is
[2:17:41] Speaker 1: A is equal to be.
[2:17:42] Speaker 2: Follow.
[2:17:44] Speaker 18: Okay, what's A? What's B?
[2:17:46] Speaker 1: It's just A and B. A is equal to B.
[2:17:48] Speaker 1: That's premise number one right.
[2:17:50] Speaker 18: Okay, so you mean heavily its equal to hell?
[2:17:52] Speaker 1: Nope, just listen. A is equal to B. That's premise
[2:17:56] Speaker 1: number one. Follow, yes, okay. Now Premise number two is, uh,
[2:18:02] Speaker 1: B is equal to C. So far okay. That leads
[2:18:07] Speaker 1: me to the conclusion, which is that it is equal
[2:18:12] Speaker 1: to See. You nailed it. Okay. So now if there's
[2:18:15] Speaker 1: what we can try this again. Now, if there's in hell, right,
[2:18:20] Speaker 1: if you go to Hell, you have fire, right, yes?
[2:18:26] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:18:26] Speaker 1: Now, Premise number two is Hell is the same place
[2:18:32] Speaker 1: as Heaven, right it can? Yes?
[2:18:35] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:18:36] Speaker 1: That means the conclusion is that heaven has fire.
[2:18:45] Speaker 18: How do you know that? God? No, brother, I know you.
[2:18:51] Speaker 2: What is happening right now?
[2:18:53] Speaker 18: The same fire that can burn people that are in
[2:18:58] Speaker 18: Hell also burns people that are in heaven. Like, how
[2:19:03] Speaker 18: how does that work? How can you know?
[2:19:06] Speaker 1: So we'll just try to this again. I'm making this
[2:19:09] Speaker 1: really easy. If Heaven and Hell are the same place,
[2:19:14] Speaker 1: and then there's fire, in hell. That means there's fire
[2:19:19] Speaker 1: in heaven. Do you agree, Yes, okay, finally we're getting
[2:19:24] Speaker 1: somewhere great. So heaven and Hell both have fire according
[2:19:28] Speaker 1: to you, and listen, you could work this out because
[2:19:31] Speaker 1: in the Book of Joe, but what comes down from
[2:19:33] Speaker 1: heaven to destroy some of the servants, what comes down
[2:19:36] Speaker 1: from heaven?
[2:19:39] Speaker 18: In oh, right, in the Book of Troube.
[2:19:41] Speaker 1: Chapter one, yep, it's it says fire from heaven came
[2:19:48] Speaker 1: down and destroyed them. Yes, okay, so there is fire
[2:19:53] Speaker 1: in heaven. According to the Bible.
[2:19:58] Speaker 18: When it talks about heaven, it's it doesn't talk about
[2:20:02] Speaker 18: the dwelling place of God. It talks about heaven in
[2:20:05] Speaker 18: Hebrew is hasha mine, which is.
[2:20:07] Speaker 1: Just the sky Hasha my Hebrew means sky that. Unfortunately,
[2:20:11] Speaker 1: you've just made it worse for yourself because you just
[2:20:14] Speaker 1: denied God being omnipresent. Like if God's presence isn't everywhere,
[2:20:22] Speaker 1: then he's not omnipresent.
[2:20:25] Speaker 18: No, because he's not on earth. You can know that
[2:20:29] Speaker 18: he's not in the physical world.
[2:20:31] Speaker 1: Then he's not omnipresent. That that's the definition of omnipresent.
[2:20:37] Speaker 1: But he's not I know, he's not omnipresent. Yes, but
[2:20:42] Speaker 1: in orthodox viewpoint, he is omnipresent, not exactly. Do you
[2:20:50] Speaker 1: believe God is omnipresent?
[2:20:54] Speaker 18: No, that's like.
[2:20:55] Speaker 1: Okay, fair enough. You don't believe in an omnipresent God.
[2:20:58] Speaker 1: That's fine.
[2:21:00] Speaker 18: The way He's present with us in his Holy Spirit,
[2:21:04] Speaker 18: in the person of the horsepit.
[2:21:07] Speaker 1: Listen, Nate, you don't have to explain it. If you
[2:21:09] Speaker 1: don't believe in an omnipresent God. You don't believe in
[2:21:11] Speaker 1: an omnipresent God. Just so we're aware, the Bible doesn't
[2:21:14] Speaker 1: say that God is omnipresent. It just happens to be
[2:21:17] Speaker 1: a thing that almost all Christians believe in. I don't
[2:21:19] Speaker 1: think the Bible teaches it. Good on you for not
[2:21:22] Speaker 1: falling for it. Okay, so you don't believe in it,
[2:21:25] Speaker 1: in omnipresent God, you believe in God?
[2:21:26] Speaker 18: That No, I've never met a Christian that said that.
[2:21:30] Speaker 1: I literally have never met a Christian who didn't believe
[2:21:32] Speaker 1: in all three omni properties of God. Which of the
[2:21:35] Speaker 1: omni properties do you believe in? Do you believe in
[2:21:38] Speaker 1: omni benevolence? You mean a good God, all good, not
[2:21:44] Speaker 1: just good all good, all good? I mean I do
[2:21:48] Speaker 1: believe that he's omnipotent? Also, yes, okay, but you don't
[2:21:53] Speaker 1: believe he's omnipresent.
[2:21:56] Speaker 18: I'm not some some kind of animists.
[2:22:00] Speaker 1: Fair enough, Okay, So you believe two of the omnis.
[2:22:03] Speaker 1: That's smart. If I was going to get rid of
[2:22:05] Speaker 1: one of the omnis, i'd get rid of omnipresent. That's
[2:22:07] Speaker 1: the one that doesn't make any sense with the Bible.
[2:22:09] Speaker 1: Now back on track. Let me test you a little
[2:22:12] Speaker 1: bit on the omni properties though, because I think we
[2:22:14] Speaker 1: might be able to get rid of another one. Want
[2:22:18] Speaker 1: to narrow it down to just one omni property.
[2:22:23] Speaker 18: I wanted to talk about something else, But.
[2:22:26] Speaker 1: Fair enough, you've been nice. What do you want to
[2:22:27] Speaker 1: talk about?
[2:22:30] Speaker 18: So to me, you're complain I mean, yeah, I don't
[2:22:36] Speaker 18: want to strommen you, but it seems to me like
[2:22:39] Speaker 18: you're complaining that you don't want to accept Jesus, even
[2:22:42] Speaker 18: though Jesus is warning you that knows something.
[2:22:45] Speaker 1: I don't believe Jesus is God, and I don't believe
[2:22:48] Speaker 1: that God exists. Has nothing to do with my desire
[2:22:50] Speaker 1: and everything to do with my belief. I can't accept
[2:22:52] Speaker 1: something I don't believe in.
[2:22:55] Speaker 18: But so, why don't you believe in because there's.
[2:22:57] Speaker 2: No evidence in the Bible's full of lies and contradictions.
[2:23:04] Speaker 1: But and Jesus, and Jesus fulfilled zero prophecies. Why would
[2:23:10] Speaker 1: I give my life to a dead skycarcass that fulfilled
[2:23:13] Speaker 1: zero Messianic prophecies while claiming that he was the messiah?
[2:23:18] Speaker 1: Because we didn't. Though Marxist resurrected, Alcestis resurrected, there are
[2:23:26] Speaker 1: like six Caesars that resurrected.
[2:23:29] Speaker 18: Six sees.
[2:23:31] Speaker 1: Yeah, six Roman caesars did, like six of the twelve
[2:23:34] Speaker 1: most famous Roman caesars were inducted into godhood.
[2:23:39] Speaker 2: Was there six of them? I think there's six of them.
[2:23:42] Speaker 7: All right?
[2:23:43] Speaker 18: Maybe?
[2:23:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's lots of resurrection accounts from the ancient world.
[2:23:46] Speaker 1: Jesus is just like one of many. Aristius is maybe
[2:23:49] Speaker 1: my favorite. Aristius's resurrection was recounted by Herodotus, Pliny the Elder,
[2:23:57] Speaker 1: it was recorded by Apollonius, and it was recorded by
[2:24:00] Speaker 1: Diodorus of Sicily and Plutarch. So I mean, praise Aristeus.
[2:24:09] Speaker 18: I didn't do this research, honestly, Yeah.
[2:24:13] Speaker 1: I think the resurrection is good evidence of anything. I
[2:24:15] Speaker 1: think it's just more mythology.
[2:24:18] Speaker 18: But then, did you look at the fruits, fruits of
[2:24:21] Speaker 18: what of belief in Jesus in the early Church.
[2:24:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the fruits of believing in any other decent religion,
[2:24:28] Speaker 1: the fruits of believing in Buddhism, the fruits of believing
[2:24:32] Speaker 1: in whatever Mormonism like. Listen, there's lots of religious systems
[2:24:36] Speaker 1: that teach good things that could or could not produce
[2:24:39] Speaker 1: good results. That has nothing to do with the validity
[2:24:41] Speaker 1: of the mythology.
[2:24:44] Speaker 18: But then people do bad things in spite of the
[2:24:49] Speaker 18: teachings of the Bible, the Bible, whereas with other religions,
[2:24:53] Speaker 18: I don't they do bad things somewhat according to or
[2:24:59] Speaker 18: in the frame rule, in the framework that their religion said.
[2:25:05] Speaker 1: Well, you're right, you know, if you're religious, if you're
[2:25:07] Speaker 1: a Christian, you do typically try to at least appeal
[2:25:11] Speaker 1: to the morals of the Bible. And to me, I
[2:25:13] Speaker 1: think that makes it even worse because the Bible says
[2:25:15] Speaker 1: that you can own slaves. Bible says that women are
[2:25:18] Speaker 1: subservient to men. Bible says that if a woman doesn't
[2:25:20] Speaker 1: bleed on a wedding night, you can stoner.
[2:25:23] Speaker 18: I mean, okay, we can talk about women. I'll just
[2:25:26] Speaker 18: quote Saint Paul to try just first in first co
[2:25:33] Speaker 18: instance thirteen.
[2:25:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, when he says there's no Jew nor Greek, no
[2:25:37] Speaker 1: male nor female, nor slave nor free.
[2:25:40] Speaker 18: No, it's not this love is it's this long monologue
[2:25:44] Speaker 18: about love.
[2:25:45] Speaker 1: Love is patient, love is kind, love does not end,
[2:25:48] Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Yes, that has nothing to
[2:25:51] Speaker 1: do with what we're talking about. God specifically states that
[2:25:54] Speaker 1: women are to serve men. It says in Genesis three
[2:25:57] Speaker 1: sixteen that your desire will be for your husban, but
[2:26:00] Speaker 1: he will.
[2:26:00] Speaker 2: Roll over you.
[2:26:03] Speaker 3: You won't.
[2:26:04] Speaker 1: Paul said for women to be subject to their husbands.
[2:26:08] Speaker 18: Right, let's do Exegesus of Genesis too, Sensis three, No
[2:26:16] Speaker 18: genis two.
[2:26:17] Speaker 1: Just three when he says that women will be ruled over.
[2:26:22] Speaker 18: No, I got what. I get what you're saying. But
[2:26:25] Speaker 18: Genesis two right, Genesis to twenty to twenty one, if
[2:26:31] Speaker 18: I'm not mistaken, mhm. So let's get into the Hebrew. So,
[2:26:38] Speaker 18: so the men gave names two O the livestock, birds
[2:26:42] Speaker 18: and sky and all the wild animals. But for Adam,
[2:26:47] Speaker 18: no suitable help her was found. So that Lord God
[2:26:50] Speaker 18: caused the man to fall into a deep sleep. And
[2:26:52] Speaker 18: while he was sleeping, he took one of the men's
[2:26:55] Speaker 18: ribs or aside, and that closed up the place with flash.
[2:26:59] Speaker 18: So that's the creation of the right yep.
[2:27:03] Speaker 1: And he was created for what purpose?
[2:27:06] Speaker 18: A suitable helper?
[2:27:08] Speaker 1: Oh?
[2:27:08] Speaker 2: Is a helper an equal?
[2:27:11] Speaker 1: Yes, no helpers, it's actually not. It's actually not an equal.
[2:27:18] Speaker 18: It certainly is not an equal.
[2:27:20] Speaker 1: Because remember because remember, Nate, I'm telling you why, Nate,
[2:27:25] Speaker 1: you're not gonna be a Nate.
[2:27:27] Speaker 2: You're not gonna be able.
[2:27:27] Speaker 1: To do it. I'm gonna show you why you're wasting
[2:27:29] Speaker 1: your time, Okay, because the same the same passage that
[2:27:32] Speaker 1: you pulled up says that Adam was looking for a
[2:27:35] Speaker 1: helper among the animals verse eighteen. The Lord God says,
[2:27:40] Speaker 1: it is not good for the man should be alone.
[2:27:42] Speaker 1: I will make him a helper as a partner. So
[2:27:44] Speaker 1: out of the ground the Lord God formed every animal
[2:27:47] Speaker 1: of the field and every bird of the air, and
[2:27:49] Speaker 1: brought him to the man to see what he would
[2:27:52] Speaker 1: call them. And whatever the man called them, h every
[2:27:55] Speaker 1: living I'm sorry, whatever the man called every living creature,
[2:27:58] Speaker 1: that was its name. So God initially believed that a
[2:28:02] Speaker 1: helper could be found among the animals. A helper is
[2:28:07] Speaker 1: not an equal, he knew all along, he didn't know
[2:28:11] Speaker 1: all along, No, he knew alone. Then why would he?
[2:28:14] Speaker 1: Why would he? Why would he lie here? Why why
[2:28:16] Speaker 1: would he lie and tell Adam to find a helper
[2:28:18] Speaker 1: among the animals.
[2:28:20] Speaker 18: Let's get that's because it's how do you say it
[2:28:24] Speaker 18: in English? It's to to I can't explain what I'm thinking.
[2:28:38] Speaker 18: It's it's to explain to the man things. Because the
[2:28:43] Speaker 18: Hebrew philosophy, it's like, do something first and then you'll understand.
[2:28:51] Speaker 1: That's not a Hebrew philosophy I'm familiar with, and I
[2:28:54] Speaker 1: had learned Hebrew.
[2:28:56] Speaker 18: No, no, but the Hebrew way of of that's Hebrew philosophy.
[2:29:01] Speaker 1: Who told you that was Hebrew philosophy? Because I know
[2:29:03] Speaker 1: quite a few rabbis that would disagree with you. Where
[2:29:07] Speaker 1: did you get that idea from?
[2:29:10] Speaker 18: It was from an article about the Tanah? Yeah, anyways,
[2:29:23] Speaker 18: let's get to it was twenty Yeah, so God, So
[2:29:29] Speaker 18: God makes God twenty So God makes women a helper,
[2:29:34] Speaker 18: a suitable helper. Right, The word is connecto and so
[2:29:42] Speaker 18: the interesting word is is is found in the Hebrew
[2:29:49] Speaker 18: name Eliezer, and it's a helper that is reverence referenced
[2:29:57] Speaker 18: a lot that's referenced a lot in and lots of times.
[2:30:02] Speaker 18: It's used for God. It's God who is of humans. Yeah,
[2:30:09] Speaker 18: and that comes to you know.
[2:30:10] Speaker 1: That you know that anybody can be a helper, right,
[2:30:13] Speaker 1: So like, if if I lend you help, that makes
[2:30:17] Speaker 1: me a helper within the context we're talking about. But
[2:30:21] Speaker 1: but if God, if God created me to be a
[2:30:25] Speaker 1: helper for you, that means now I'm subservient to you.
[2:30:29] Speaker 18: No, it doesn't mean that the reason being that is
[2:30:33] Speaker 18: in Hebrew means rescure.
[2:30:37] Speaker 1: No, that's that's not a that's not an adequate translation.
[2:30:41] Speaker 1: So the word you're referring this is not the word
[2:30:43] Speaker 1: you're referring to, has a semantic range, right, So you
[2:30:47] Speaker 1: can't just pick and choose, like what part of the
[2:30:50] Speaker 1: semantic range that you want to refer to. No, Like
[2:30:55] Speaker 1: you actually have to take the context into accounts. So
[2:30:58] Speaker 1: as there means to help. Now, if you're in danger, right,
[2:31:03] Speaker 1: if you're drowning and somebody gives you as their then yes,
[2:31:08] Speaker 1: they rescued you. But that's just because of the context
[2:31:11] Speaker 1: of the passage. The word doesn't mean to rescue, it
[2:31:15] Speaker 1: means to help.
[2:31:16] Speaker 18: It means to rescue in the way that God. It
[2:31:20] Speaker 18: means to help. Let's say help. It means to help
[2:31:23] Speaker 18: in the in the way that God helps mankind.
[2:31:28] Speaker 1: Does God help mankind in a different way than humans
[2:31:31] Speaker 1: help mankind?
[2:31:33] Speaker 8: No?
[2:31:34] Speaker 1: Yes, so God's help is different than our help because
[2:31:37] Speaker 1: God is powerful. Okay, so the word just means help.
[2:31:43] Speaker 2: She's created to be a helper.
[2:31:46] Speaker 18: A helper in the in the kind of help that
[2:31:50] Speaker 18: God gives you.
[2:31:51] Speaker 1: No, in the kind of help that humans give, because
[2:31:53] Speaker 1: she's not a God God.
[2:31:55] Speaker 2: No, the kind of help that humans give.
[2:31:57] Speaker 18: Let's look at all the times that comes up.
[2:32:02] Speaker 2: I've read it.
[2:32:03] Speaker 1: Nate n Nate, Nate, Nate. This is a bad argument
[2:32:07] Speaker 1: because humans can't do what God does.
[2:32:10] Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.
[2:32:11] Speaker 1: It doesn't matter that God uses like the same verb
[2:32:14] Speaker 1: applies to God.
[2:32:15] Speaker 2: None of that matters.
[2:32:18] Speaker 18: It's hoterrific.
[2:32:20] Speaker 1: No, it's not. No it is No, it's not.
[2:32:22] Speaker 2: That's a lot you have to tell yourself.
[2:32:25] Speaker 18: No, it's it's it's homology.
[2:32:27] Speaker 1: No, it's not. This is poor ex to Jesus. If
[2:32:31] Speaker 1: you wrote a paper in seminary making this claim, they
[2:32:35] Speaker 1: would give you an F on it.
[2:32:38] Speaker 18: I don't care. That's good.
[2:32:40] Speaker 2: Like they would make you rewrite the paper.
[2:32:41] Speaker 1: This is bad.
[2:32:42] Speaker 2: This is not how words work.
[2:32:45] Speaker 8: No it is.
[2:32:46] Speaker 18: I mean it's not. Homology is how words work.
[2:32:49] Speaker 2: No, it's literally not. Etymology is the science of how
[2:32:51] Speaker 2: words came to be.
[2:32:53] Speaker 1: Yes, Lexicography is how words work. Yes, the one and
[2:33:01] Speaker 1: you're doing neither right now. You're saying, you're saying, because
[2:33:06] Speaker 1: God can do a verb, then when that verb is
[2:33:10] Speaker 1: applied to humans, we must take it with the same
[2:33:13] Speaker 1: connotation as when it's applied to God.
[2:33:14] Speaker 2: That's not how that works.
[2:33:17] Speaker 18: That's absolutely that's.
[2:33:19] Speaker 1: Absolutely not how it works. This word, I don't I
[2:33:23] Speaker 1: don't know if you know this, but in the Hebrew language,
[2:33:25] Speaker 1: God doesn't get his own set of verbs, right, All
[2:33:28] Speaker 1: all the verbs, all the verbs in the Hebrew language
[2:33:32] Speaker 1: are used, are used irrespective of who's doing it. Right.
[2:33:36] Speaker 2: So if the verb, if the.
[2:33:38] Speaker 1: Verb to go is being used, you can apply that
[2:33:42] Speaker 1: to God and you can apply it to a human being.
[2:33:44] Speaker 1: It's just a verb to people. I'm not lying, Nate,
[2:33:48] Speaker 1: You're the one lying.
[2:33:50] Speaker 20: Genesis one one Elohim. Sorry, better sit Baha Elohim. The
[2:33:58] Speaker 20: verb bahra isating x nihilo.
[2:34:01] Speaker 1: No, it's not it is no, it's not no, man,
[2:34:06] Speaker 1: it is no it's not. You can say it is
[2:34:10] Speaker 1: all you want, it's not. There's nothing in the word
[2:34:13] Speaker 1: brad that requires ex nihilo.
[2:34:15] Speaker 2: Nothing.
[2:34:17] Speaker 18: It's creating. It's not the verb that's used when humans
[2:34:21] Speaker 18: create something using matters that already exists.
[2:34:25] Speaker 1: No, it's a very common verb in Hebrew. It's not
[2:34:27] Speaker 1: referring to ex nihilo it is.
[2:34:31] Speaker 2: No, it's not.
[2:34:33] Speaker 18: Okay, let me look it up.
[2:34:35] Speaker 1: Because Bible, every time they make something, they create something.
[2:34:48] Speaker 1: In the Old Testament, it's the same verb making golden calfs,
[2:34:51] Speaker 1: same verb Joshua making things, same verb you're you're arguing
[2:34:58] Speaker 1: about things you do not know. It's just a generic
[2:35:05] Speaker 1: word for creation.
[2:35:07] Speaker 18: To create absolutely, yeah, not extly helone. So it's okay,
[2:35:22] Speaker 18: So you know, I think it's a loanword Phoenician.
[2:35:28] Speaker 1: This is what happens when someone teaches you how to
[2:35:31] Speaker 1: use like an online innerlinear resource, but you haven't actually
[2:35:35] Speaker 1: went through and learned how to do proper EXE Jesus, No,
[2:35:39] Speaker 1: it is.
[2:35:40] Speaker 18: It's not brother to make, to make or do to
[2:35:46] Speaker 18: make or I'm reading I'm reading right now, unlike assa
[2:35:50] Speaker 18: to make or do an yatsa to form, but ah
[2:35:54] Speaker 18: never takes a human subject numbers sixteen thirty one of
[2:35:59] Speaker 18: a new thing God might create to vindicate his holiness,
[2:36:03] Speaker 18: and First Samuel two twenty nine returns the same theological
[2:36:06] Speaker 18: boundary creation belongs to God's prerogative. Isaiah amplifies this theme.
[2:36:12] Speaker 18: Is the Lord, and I'm the maker of all things,
[2:36:14] Speaker 18: which stretches out the heavens. I have created you in
[2:36:17] Speaker 18: Isaiah forty three. I form the light and create darkness
[2:36:21] Speaker 18: in Isaiah forty five. For this says the Lord, he
[2:36:24] Speaker 18: who created the heavens.
[2:36:25] Speaker 1: He is God.
[2:36:26] Speaker 18: He not created to be empty, but from the inhabited
[2:36:29] Speaker 18: Isaiah forty five. These verses locates sovereignty, providence, and even
[2:36:34] Speaker 18: the mystery of I don't know what.
[2:36:35] Speaker 1: Script from your reading room, but you're wrong. The verb
[2:36:38] Speaker 1: is applied to humans both inside and outside the Bible.
[2:36:42] Speaker 18: No, like, okay, it's Jesus's fine.
[2:36:55] Speaker 1: I want me to show you where okay, Yes, Joshua
[2:36:58] Speaker 1: was seventeen fifteen.
[2:37:01] Speaker 18: Right up to the forest and clear place for yourself there.
[2:37:04] Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, The verb is create josh Joshua.
[2:37:10] Speaker 1: There's instructions to a group of people.
[2:37:12] Speaker 3: To clear place and cut down and clear yep.
[2:37:15] Speaker 2: To create a place for yourself and guess what.
[2:37:18] Speaker 1: It wasn't ex nihilo and it wasn't done by God.
[2:37:22] Speaker 1: This is a bad argument. You don't know what you're
[2:37:24] Speaker 1: talking about. I'm sure you read an article, but the
[2:37:27] Speaker 1: article is wrong. You need to trash it, throw it away.
[2:37:36] Speaker 18: I'm just looking at this. But do you know sometimes
[2:37:43] Speaker 18: words are used, especially in the words are used, there
[2:37:49] Speaker 18: are sorry yod that we don't that are left there
[2:37:56] Speaker 18: without specific explanation, and it's just.
[2:38:01] Speaker 1: By tradition, inexplicable yodes. What are you talking about. I
[2:38:04] Speaker 1: don't know about inexplicable yodes.
[2:38:08] Speaker 18: They are diacritic signs or yodes or some If.
[2:38:15] Speaker 2: They're diacritic, then they're not inexplicable.
[2:38:18] Speaker 18: No, but we don't that people don't know how to
[2:38:22] Speaker 18: pronounce or why is it specifically there? There are some
[2:38:27] Speaker 18: spaces between words in that or of that people left
[2:38:31] Speaker 18: there without understanding explicitly why it's there. So there are things.
[2:38:37] Speaker 2: No, I don't. I don't believe that.
[2:38:39] Speaker 1: There are a lot of times you see spaces between
[2:38:42] Speaker 1: words and for artistic purposes on the scroll.
[2:38:46] Speaker 18: Yes, but whatever, sorry I'm babbling. Whatever the purpose is,
[2:38:53] Speaker 18: people don't know today why it's there.
[2:38:57] Speaker 2: I disagree.
[2:38:58] Speaker 1: I don't know if a single Uh, I don't know
[2:39:01] Speaker 1: if any of these instances where that you're claiming exists.
[2:39:07] Speaker 1: It sounds like I don't know where you're getting your
[2:39:10] Speaker 1: information from. But they're not they're not coming from academic resources.
[2:39:14] Speaker 1: These are like these are things you learn in Bible
[2:39:17] Speaker 1: studies that aren't real.
[2:39:20] Speaker 18: No, right, But I'm I think that there are big
[2:39:23] Speaker 18: spaces between words in songs.
[2:39:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's a lot. Yeah, yeah, on purpose for artistic reasoning.
[2:39:33] Speaker 1: That's why you have That's why you have lamids that
[2:39:35] Speaker 1: stretch like three inches. Yeah, it's for artistic purposes. When
[2:39:40] Speaker 1: you made the scroll.
[2:39:42] Speaker 3: That's it.
[2:39:44] Speaker 18: Yes, But people don't know the signification behind there's.
[2:39:48] Speaker 1: No, there's nothing behind it. It's to fill the line up,
[2:39:51] Speaker 1: so there's not an empty line.
[2:39:53] Speaker 18: There might be. We don't know whether, No.
[2:39:56] Speaker 1: That is the that's the consensus. You don't know because
[2:39:59] Speaker 1: you haven't studied.
[2:40:03] Speaker 18: I haven't studied this specifically.
[2:40:05] Speaker 1: You can literally just read the notes from from the
[2:40:07] Speaker 1: mass Areas. They'll tell you.
[2:40:11] Speaker 18: Yeah again, I'm not following the Massareats because it was
[2:40:15] Speaker 18: made by Jews. After it's not the original. The original
[2:40:22] Speaker 18: is the subdugent.
[2:40:24] Speaker 2: So the subdugen is not the original.
[2:40:26] Speaker 18: The translation in Greek, I know, but it's not what
[2:40:32] Speaker 18: I mean. Anyways, I'm not following the the masotic text
[2:40:38] Speaker 18: sair enough.
[2:40:39] Speaker 1: Do you know of any non masoretic texts that do
[2:40:42] Speaker 1: the thing you're referring to, because I don't. If you
[2:40:44] Speaker 1: look at the Dead Sea scrolls and you look at
[2:40:46] Speaker 1: the Samaritan Pentateuk and things like that, you find a
[2:40:48] Speaker 1: very different method of writing that doesn't include the artistic
[2:40:52] Speaker 1: massoretic flair.
[2:40:57] Speaker 18: Okay, it was, it was changed then, I'm not aware
[2:41:05] Speaker 18: of that specific things.
[2:41:07] Speaker 1: No, Right, Nate, Listen, you sound like a smart guy,
[2:41:10] Speaker 1: but I don't know who your study researchers are. But
[2:41:12] Speaker 1: they're not good and there these are not good arguments.
[2:41:17] Speaker 18: I just hope you'll continue your research.
[2:41:23] Speaker 1: In what what am I going to find out? I
[2:41:28] Speaker 1: already told you why I don't believe because Jesus didn't
[2:41:30] Speaker 1: fulfill a single prophecy, not even one, which means even
[2:41:33] Speaker 1: if you believe God is real, it's sure as hell isn't.
[2:41:35] Speaker 3: Jesus is the one thing.
[2:41:38] Speaker 18: Oh, maybe I can talk to you about the shot of.
[2:41:40] Speaker 2: Terrain not gonna help.
[2:41:44] Speaker 1: It might because it's a thirteenth century forgery that's been
[2:41:47] Speaker 1: carbon dated on three separate occasions to be from that
[2:41:50] Speaker 1: time period. And the newest dating method is not a
[2:41:53] Speaker 1: true dating method.
[2:41:57] Speaker 18: It's uh, oh, so you you mean wide angle express
[2:42:04] Speaker 18: scattering is not a true dating method.
[2:42:06] Speaker 1: WAXIS is a joke. They took the shroud and they
[2:42:10] Speaker 1: compared one part of the flax fibers to another piece
[2:42:14] Speaker 1: of fabric from Masada, and they just said, Wow, they
[2:42:17] Speaker 1: look like they're roughly in the same level of degradation.
[2:42:20] Speaker 1: They must be from the same time period. That's not
[2:42:23] Speaker 1: how dating works. It's a joke, not even a good joke.
[2:42:30] Speaker 18: And so what about the VUV experiences? The what the
[2:42:36] Speaker 18: VUV the vacuum UV lights?
[2:42:39] Speaker 2: I know, no vacuum UV lights.
[2:42:43] Speaker 18: Oh, it's a method of emitting lights of radiation.
[2:42:51] Speaker 1: So what how how does that have anything to do
[2:42:53] Speaker 1: with dating.
[2:42:54] Speaker 18: The shroud, because nobody could have forged this, especially not
[2:43:00] Speaker 18: in the Middle Ages.
[2:43:02] Speaker 2: Oh they certainly, they certainly could have.
[2:43:03] Speaker 1: In fact, two different scientists, one of them Italian, literally
[2:43:07] Speaker 1: did forge it using dating methods from or methods from
[2:43:11] Speaker 1: dating from that time period. No, they isn't, Yeah they did.
[2:43:15] Speaker 3: No. Yeah, Like I'll give you their names.
[2:43:19] Speaker 18: It's impossible to reproduce with today's viv lis.
[2:43:23] Speaker 7: Nope, you wrong.
[2:43:23] Speaker 1: I'll just show it to Italian scientists reproduces the shroud
[2:43:27] Speaker 1: of Turin. Let me get his name real quick. It
[2:43:30] Speaker 1: was a very complicated name to pronounce. Give me a second, Liberato,
[2:43:37] Speaker 1: I have no idea. Let me see what his name is?
[2:43:40] Speaker 18: An Italian man.
[2:43:41] Speaker 2: It certainly was an Italian man.
[2:43:43] Speaker 18: Yeah, from the Institute of Crystallography in uh In, Rome,
[2:43:51] Speaker 18: from the National Research Console.
[2:43:54] Speaker 1: Shoot, they even have a replica that's going on exhibit too.
[2:43:57] Speaker 1: That's interesting. Okay, give me a second though, Let me
[2:44:02] Speaker 1: I don't know why his name that you know?
[2:44:04] Speaker 18: All right, but you need a sorry four trillion watts.
[2:44:08] Speaker 1: No, you certainly don't. The guy's name is Luigi Garlic Shelley.
[2:44:13] Speaker 1: You don't need any of those watts. There's zero evidence
[2:44:16] Speaker 1: that the shroud was blasted with any special lights, none whatsoever.
[2:44:23] Speaker 18: So how do how is it discolored?
[2:44:29] Speaker 1: How does how is it discolored or colored?
[2:44:32] Speaker 18: Discolored?
[2:44:34] Speaker 1: Because discolored by aging, that's how aging works.
[2:44:37] Speaker 18: No, because I don't know if you ever looked at
[2:44:40] Speaker 18: I mean, of course you looked at the images, but
[2:44:43] Speaker 18: the discoloration is the discouration of a man male body.
[2:44:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm aware. Yeah, there's the male figure in the
[2:44:52] Speaker 1: artistic rendering of the shroud.
[2:44:54] Speaker 18: Yeah, but how do you render it without even today
[2:44:58] Speaker 18: we don't have the technology to do it.
[2:45:00] Speaker 1: You're wrong. It was literally done in two thousand and
[2:45:03] Speaker 1: nine by Luigi Garlicelli.
[2:45:07] Speaker 18: Not in the same way, yeah, in the same way.
[2:45:12] Speaker 18: Like that, there's the studies of Just look at the
[2:45:18] Speaker 18: articles of doctor Liberato de Caro. Just took up the listen.
[2:45:27] Speaker 2: I've read all the nonsense studies.
[2:45:29] Speaker 1: None of them are substantiated, all the ones that are
[2:45:31] Speaker 1: using actual science dated to the thirteenth century. You've been fooled,
[2:45:36] Speaker 1: just like all the rest of your friends who believe
[2:45:37] Speaker 1: in the shroud. There's no evidence that the shroud was
[2:45:41] Speaker 1: dating back to Jesus at all.
[2:45:45] Speaker 18: What about the pollen? Uh, sorry, the studies it's I
[2:45:50] Speaker 18: think it's from nineteen the nineteen nineties, the pollens that
[2:45:57] Speaker 18: were analyzed from the from the flax fibers.
[2:46:01] Speaker 1: There is pollen, as it turns out, in flax. Yeah, yeah,
[2:46:06] Speaker 1: I don't I don't disagree. Yeah, pollen exists.
[2:46:09] Speaker 18: No, but the pollen menither No, but the poet that
[2:46:14] Speaker 18: we're found in in that is like Gondelia. I've written
[2:46:20] Speaker 18: the specific plants that's like fifty of them. But uh,
[2:46:25] Speaker 18: that's Gondoli from line, which is endemic of Juda and Galilee.
[2:46:31] Speaker 18: So what that's also zychophilim demos.
[2:46:36] Speaker 1: You are aware that the pollen is not relegated to
[2:46:39] Speaker 1: a particular area, right, I also know that the shroud
[2:46:42] Speaker 1: has been moved. You also know that the pollen or sorry,
[2:46:46] Speaker 1: that shroud has been migrated to lots of different locations, right,
[2:46:50] Speaker 1: Like I's didn't collect pollen.
[2:46:51] Speaker 18: Eventually from from Judea to Europe.
[2:46:55] Speaker 2: No, we'd be wrong.
[2:46:58] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, that's what if any thing it was from
[2:47:01] Speaker 1: Europe to Judea.
[2:47:04] Speaker 18: It's the other way around. No, you're wrong, No, because
[2:47:10] Speaker 18: the sorry.
[2:47:15] Speaker 3: Where is it?
[2:47:17] Speaker 1: This is the weakest argument I've ever heard for the shroud.
[2:47:19] Speaker 1: The fact that there's pollen on the shroud that also
[2:47:22] Speaker 1: appears in Judea is the weakest argument ever. This This
[2:47:27] Speaker 1: is sad.
[2:47:27] Speaker 8: It's a plant.
[2:47:28] Speaker 18: It's the plants of plants in pl that are endemic
[2:47:34] Speaker 18: to the regions of Judua and Galilee.
[2:47:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, and you can find them everywhere.
[2:47:39] Speaker 18: No, I mean, yeah everywhere. Yes, but it's from the region, right.
[2:47:44] Speaker 1: And they're found everywhere I know, yeah, yeah, and which
[2:47:48] Speaker 1: which means which means things that have the pollen on
[2:47:51] Speaker 1: it are not dated to Judeum or not located in Judeem.
[2:47:59] Speaker 1: Coming again, listen, there is a bird that is native
[2:48:03] Speaker 1: to Ohio. It happens to be that the bird exists elsewhere.
[2:48:07] Speaker 1: That doesn't mean if you find the bird that it
[2:48:09] Speaker 1: migrated from Ohio.
[2:48:12] Speaker 18: Yes, but if the bird doesn't move from Ohio and
[2:48:16] Speaker 18: it doesn't exist elsewhere.
[2:48:17] Speaker 1: No pollen moves. Not only does pollen move, but pollen
[2:48:23] Speaker 1: isn't merely regional. It covers huge territories of land. The
[2:48:28] Speaker 1: same pollen that's in Judea can be found in Europe.
[2:48:31] Speaker 1: The same pollen that's in Europe can be found in Judea. Nay,
[2:48:38] Speaker 1: you can't tell me that. You can't. You cannot believe
[2:48:40] Speaker 1: that the shroud is evidence of anything. You can't. This
[2:48:43] Speaker 1: is nonsense. They literally have tested the DNA. It tested
[2:48:47] Speaker 1: as a mixture of pig's blood and red ochre. Why
[2:48:52] Speaker 1: is there pig blood on it? Why is there red
[2:48:55] Speaker 1: ochre on it?
[2:48:57] Speaker 2: Red red ochre? It's a plant.
[2:49:01] Speaker 18: Okay, I don't know about it.
[2:49:02] Speaker 3: Okay, well, why.
[2:49:03] Speaker 1: Would anyone possibly put pig blood, put pigs blood, put
[2:49:08] Speaker 1: pigs blood on on a shroud that belonged to a
[2:49:10] Speaker 1: Jewish man.
[2:49:13] Speaker 18: Yeah, that's that's ironic. But that would be ironic. But
[2:49:17] Speaker 18: which studies are quoting?
[2:49:19] Speaker 1: I can tell you.
[2:49:24] Speaker 2: I used to have it downloaded. I don't have it anymore.
[2:49:26] Speaker 1: I see it's think it's from the Macrone Research Institute.
[2:49:34] Speaker 1: Let me see if this is the one.
[2:49:42] Speaker 18: Because nothing inferienced me more than people, you know, claiming
[2:49:47] Speaker 18: to find evidence for for Christianity and the.
[2:49:53] Speaker 2: Evidence for ship So you're aware.
[2:49:55] Speaker 1: Even if it, even if it was from the first century,
[2:49:59] Speaker 1: it does mean anything.
[2:50:01] Speaker 2: It just means that a dead man was wrapped in
[2:50:02] Speaker 2: her shroud.
[2:50:03] Speaker 1: That's it. It also doesn't match the Bible. The Bible
[2:50:05] Speaker 1: says that he had a separate head covering and also
[2:50:08] Speaker 1: says he was wrapped in strips. This is neither a
[2:50:11] Speaker 1: strip nor a head covering. But the article, the most
[2:50:14] Speaker 1: recently that talks about it is from the Macrone Research Institute,
[2:50:19] Speaker 1: and they talk about the blood on the shroud and
[2:50:22] Speaker 1: the previous examinations, and then they list other articles that
[2:50:29] Speaker 1: they specifically wrote on the topic, but they're not the
[2:50:32] Speaker 1: only institute that's writing about this. At the the repository
[2:50:38] Speaker 1: at Science Direct, there's another article by Giulio Fanti, who
[2:50:45] Speaker 1: is Julio Fanti, Department of Industrial Engineering at Patawa, Italy.
[2:50:54] Speaker 1: And Giuseppe Giuseppe doesn't have a bio or does he
[2:50:59] Speaker 1: what He's at a university in Italy too, But there's
[2:51:03] Speaker 1: been a bunch of articles written on the topic. It
[2:51:07] Speaker 1: says in the cliff notes of the article, it says
[2:51:10] Speaker 1: the initial blood on the Surin Turin shroud was later
[2:51:14] Speaker 1: reinforced by pigments. There are there are pigments on the shroud.
[2:51:20] Speaker 18: And which stud is? Okay?
[2:51:24] Speaker 1: Can you yeah, look up an article called blood reinforced
[2:51:29] Speaker 1: by pigments in the reddish stains of the Turin Shroud. Yes,
[2:51:36] Speaker 1: there there should be no red pigments on the shroud.
[2:51:40] Speaker 18: I'll look it up. Thanks her. But just so we're weird.
[2:51:46] Speaker 1: Nothing about the shroud has anything to do with whether
[2:51:49] Speaker 1: or not Jesus was God nor the Messiah.
[2:51:51] Speaker 2: The only thing it could.
[2:51:52] Speaker 1: Ever prove is that a dude died and was wrapped
[2:51:56] Speaker 1: in this particular cloth. We don't know his identity. We
[2:51:58] Speaker 1: don't know anything about his manner of death, other then
[2:52:02] Speaker 1: it seems to be bloody and violent. But it certainly
[2:52:05] Speaker 1: wouldn't prove that Jesus rose from the dead.
[2:52:09] Speaker 18: It would because would not the discoloration of flax fibers
[2:52:14] Speaker 18: can could be achieved. The only reason it could, the
[2:52:17] Speaker 18: only a cause of the declaration discoloration would be UV radiation.
[2:52:23] Speaker 2: So you would be wrong.
[2:52:27] Speaker 18: But how can I mean? It was studied and it
[2:52:30] Speaker 18: showed that there's no means that we know of in
[2:52:34] Speaker 18: the Middle Ages or in the first century even less.
[2:52:38] Speaker 3: So.
[2:52:40] Speaker 1: You'd be wrong. I already gave you the name of
[2:52:42] Speaker 1: the scientist who reproduced the Stroud the shroud using methods
[2:52:46] Speaker 1: available in the thirteenth century. He was not even the
[2:52:49] Speaker 1: only one who did it. There's another guy who did
[2:52:50] Speaker 1: it as well. Was even hard. There's a guy literally
[2:52:55] Speaker 1: on YouTube that recreated it and showed you how he
[2:52:58] Speaker 1: recreated it on YouTube using method from the thirteenth century.
[2:53:03] Speaker 18: That's odd because I never heard of this.
[2:53:06] Speaker 1: I don't think you're doing research. I think you're googling
[2:53:10] Speaker 1: for things that reinforce your already held beliefs.
[2:53:13] Speaker 18: No, I really do research.
[2:53:14] Speaker 1: I don't think something. May you're a nice guy, but don't.
[2:53:21] Speaker 1: I don't think you're doing I don't think you're doing
[2:53:23] Speaker 1: well rounded research.
[2:53:26] Speaker 18: Because I have things to do.
[2:53:27] Speaker 7: Man, I mean, all.
[2:53:28] Speaker 1: Right, fair enough, Well, thanks for being courteous and being kind.
[2:53:34] Speaker 18: Yeah, I know, thank you.
[2:53:36] Speaker 2: Cheers man, he was kind. At least he was a
[2:53:43] Speaker 2: nice guy.
[2:53:44] Speaker 1: It's sad that he has to twist himself into pretzels
[2:53:47] Speaker 1: and lie to everybody, but he was nice at least. Kop,
[2:53:50] Speaker 1: thank you for the one ninety nine. I appreciate that.
[2:53:52] Speaker 1: And Larry, my friend, thank you so much for sending
[2:53:54] Speaker 1: out five d Z debate memberships. I really appreciate that.
[2:53:58] Speaker 1: The memberships really are the back of the community friends,
[2:54:02] Speaker 1: and all the members have access to the cheat sheet
[2:54:04] Speaker 1: as well. Eventually I'll put the Shroud articles on the
[2:54:07] Speaker 1: cheat sheet. I'll do that this week. That would be
[2:54:09] Speaker 1: a good time to do it. Stay Brown, thank you
[2:54:12] Speaker 1: for the ten our super Shet says, read them the
[2:54:13] Speaker 1: prophecy of Jesus Second Coming. Only after all the US
[2:54:17] Speaker 1: have universal health care and public education. They won't know
[2:54:21] Speaker 1: it's not the Old Testament. So that's the funny thing.
[2:54:25] Speaker 1: If you look at what the prophecies are in the
[2:54:29] Speaker 1: Old Testament about the Messiah.
[2:54:32] Speaker 2: It seems to suggest.
[2:54:36] Speaker 1: That people are still gonna die in the Messianic age,
[2:54:39] Speaker 1: which is wild because the New Testament says otherwise. Trude,
[2:54:42] Speaker 1: thank you for sending out five deconstruction. I'm sorry, DZ
[2:54:45] Speaker 1: debates memberships. I really appreciate that from And our friend
[2:54:48] Speaker 1: Kenneth is back with us. Kenneth says, listening to this
[2:54:51] Speaker 1: in the gym getting rock hard. Hell yeah, Kenneth, get
[2:54:55] Speaker 1: your rocks off to the stream, big w Get pump, buddy.
[2:54:59] Speaker 1: And Eric said, he heaped coals on your head better
[2:55:02] Speaker 1: than a Christian. Actually, first of all, this is one
[2:55:04] Speaker 1: of my favorite sayings from the Bible. And you're right, Eric,
[2:55:07] Speaker 1: not Nate, but the prior caller, the Islamic guy. He
[2:55:11] Speaker 1: did heap coals on my head better than a Christian.
[2:55:14] Speaker 1: If you guys don't know about heaping coals on someone's head.
[2:55:17] Speaker 1: It's a wonderful idiom within the Hebrew Bible that Paul
[2:55:21] Speaker 1: brings up. In the New Testament, Anthony says, Doug fixed
[2:55:25] Speaker 1: my erecht how dysfunction for the fifth time today. Oh,
[2:55:27] Speaker 1: praise Doug. Praise Doug. Listen, Anthony, Doug has fixed your
[2:55:32] Speaker 1: ed so many times. I have to assume at some
[2:55:35] Speaker 1: point you're just walking around rock hard for Doug all
[2:55:37] Speaker 1: day long. Rock Hard ice Man. Thank you for the
[2:55:40] Speaker 1: twenty hour super Chat, buddy, says Jason. Left Over barbecue
[2:55:43] Speaker 1: reheated taste just was good when you first just as
[2:55:47] Speaker 1: good when you first cooked it. I think you mean
[2:55:50] Speaker 1: justin But anyways, leftover barbecue reheated.
[2:55:55] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[2:55:55] Speaker 1: That's why I post the clips because sometimes the clips,
[2:56:00] Speaker 1: when you heard the first time it was horrific. Here
[2:56:02] Speaker 1: at the second time, it's even worse, and you're like,
[2:56:04] Speaker 1: oh shit, this is even worse than I thought. And
[2:56:06] Speaker 1: Ken says, Nate is not prepared. Clutching at straw is
[2:56:09] Speaker 1: that was the case. He was kind, but he was
[2:56:13] Speaker 1: not prepared. And boom and boom. Thank you so much
[2:56:16] Speaker 1: for the eighty hour super chat. That's huge. Thank you
[2:56:19] Speaker 1: so so much, friend, says Anne Frank. A fifteen year
[2:56:23] Speaker 1: old Jewish child was murdered by Shnazis eighty years ago
[2:56:26] Speaker 1: for her faith, then Christian God of then the Christian
[2:56:30] Speaker 1: God the Father judged and sent little Annie to Hell
[2:56:34] Speaker 1: to burn every day, hour and minutes sense Jesus died
[2:56:37] Speaker 1: three pm and Friday raised by six am on Sunday
[2:56:40] Speaker 1: thirty eight hours YEP. Isn't that crazy that in the
[2:56:44] Speaker 1: Christian framework somebody like Anne Frank, merely just being a
[2:56:47] Speaker 1: Jew that doesn't accept Jesus would be sent to hell
[2:56:52] Speaker 1: torture for eternity. That's worse than what the Nazis was
[2:56:55] Speaker 1: going to do to her. Just keep in mind what
[2:56:58] Speaker 1: God is doing to the people well he loved and
[2:57:00] Speaker 1: created is worse than what the Nazis were going to
[2:57:03] Speaker 1: do to them. That should make you think and design,
[2:57:06] Speaker 1: says DZ logic chart is the grill that cooks. I'm
[2:57:10] Speaker 1: gonna make it, friends, I'm gonna make the DZ logic
[2:57:13] Speaker 1: charts and get them out and Peter Zachos, thank you
[2:57:16] Speaker 1: for the super chat friend, says Doug appeared on my
[2:57:19] Speaker 1: Tosis morning, m pial Doug. I did the whole. I
[2:57:23] Speaker 1: did the holy and worshipful thing. I spread ham on
[2:57:27] Speaker 1: him and ate him. Doug approves. Eat the ham, Peter,
[2:57:31] Speaker 1: do it. Do it for Doug and keep your namesake. Peter,
[2:57:35] Speaker 1: you are a prophet of Doug. Obviously, that's why he
[2:57:37] Speaker 1: appeared to you. Your name is Rock petros So A
[2:57:41] Speaker 1: big w for that, and Texas my friend says, if
[2:57:44] Speaker 1: you're belief in God doesn't extend beyond personal experiences and
[2:57:47] Speaker 1: other beliefs are valid, then isn't that just a culture
[2:57:51] Speaker 1: thing versus theological truth? It is.
[2:57:54] Speaker 2: At that point, it's just cultural right.
[2:57:56] Speaker 1: And Susie, my friend, I did get your text me
[2:58:00] Speaker 1: your chat excuse says, what is the context of the
[2:58:02] Speaker 1: story of the woman who liked big donkeys and horses
[2:58:06] Speaker 1: that made a big splash? Okay, you're referring to Ezekiel.
[2:58:11] Speaker 1: The context of Ezekiel's describing the unfaithfulness of Israel in Judah,
[2:58:18] Speaker 1: and he's describing the unfaithfulness like painting them in the
[2:58:22] Speaker 1: image of like young horrors. And so that's why he's
[2:58:25] Speaker 1: talking about the emissions of stallions and members like donkeys,
[2:58:30] Speaker 1: because he's basically suggesting that Israel and Judah were just
[2:58:34] Speaker 1: these tramps that went around hoaring themselves. That's what's happening
[2:58:40] Speaker 1: in Ezekiel. And Dustin says, just picked a mint colored
[2:58:43] Speaker 1: cheaty sheety desk, Matt, and I'm so fucking stoked about it. Well,
[2:58:47] Speaker 1: I'm glad you did it. Guys in the gift shop,
[2:58:49] Speaker 1: now we have a scaled down edition of the cheat
[2:58:54] Speaker 1: sheet you can get in a big like thirty inch
[2:58:56] Speaker 1: desk mat. You can put your keyboarder in your mouth
[2:58:59] Speaker 1: or just lay it out on your desk, and you've
[2:59:00] Speaker 1: got all kinds of contradictions and stuff on scientific errors
[2:59:04] Speaker 1: and whatnot on the cheat sheet right at your fingertips.
[2:59:07] Speaker 1: You don't even have to have the cheat sheet open.
[2:59:09] Speaker 1: And Jay says Kevin is the sole source of laws
[2:59:12] Speaker 1: of logic. Obviously, transcendental argument for the existence of Kevin.
[2:59:16] Speaker 1: Obviously it's Kevin and Doug. It's some sort of dualism.
[2:59:21] Speaker 1: Raphael says, Jesus is coming soon, when soon? When soon?
[2:59:26] Speaker 2: Listen?
[2:59:26] Speaker 1: Remember soon means nothing to God. It's a meaningless statement.
[2:59:29] Speaker 1: Soon is you know, a third of all human history?
[2:59:33] Speaker 1: Y'all fight Jacob. It should be fun. Think of a
[2:59:36] Speaker 1: super chat. By the way, he says, Yo, justin have
[2:59:38] Speaker 1: you read the book called The Gospel and the Zodiac. No,
[2:59:41] Speaker 1: I don't believe in Zodiacs by Bill Darlson. If so,
[2:59:44] Speaker 1: what are your thoughts? If not, may I encourage you
[2:59:46] Speaker 1: to read it. I'd love to get your opinion. Well, joh,
[2:59:49] Speaker 1: I haven't read the book. Most likely if it's related
[2:59:52] Speaker 1: to zodiac. I'll never read it. I apologize for that.
[2:59:55] Speaker 1: I think zodiac is just another form of woism, and
[2:59:59] Speaker 1: I don't believe wisdom many more than I believe in
[3:00:01] Speaker 1: Christian de or Islam, so it just isn't one of
[3:00:03] Speaker 1: those things. Also, PLN, thank you for the two hunt
[3:00:07] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, peeln uh arcad d's Arcadi's thank you so
[3:00:14] Speaker 1: much for the two ninety nine. PLN, big w my friend.
[3:00:17] Speaker 1: I really really appreciate the thanks. I really appreciate that.
[3:00:21] Speaker 1: Let me describ a couple of super chats. I'm sorry,
[3:00:23] Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of super chats on the board
[3:00:25] Speaker 1: and I don't want to get behind Emir says Raphael.
[3:00:28] Speaker 1: You'll see, you'll be sorry. Yeah, yeah, they always say that.
[3:00:31] Speaker 1: They always want to end with you'll see. I can't
[3:00:34] Speaker 1: prove it, but you'll see.
[3:00:36] Speaker 2: I'm sure I will.
[3:00:37] Speaker 1: Jennifer says, another live for the week, and it's only Wednesday,
[3:00:40] Speaker 1: Long Day in the studio again, so I'm here for
[3:00:42] Speaker 1: this day streaming praise Doug, Jennifer it is. We're gonna
[3:00:45] Speaker 1: be alive Thursday and Friday as well, but not over
[3:00:48] Speaker 1: the weekend, so we're doing weekday live streams. Right now
[3:00:52] Speaker 1: over the summer. But big w for listening, And Josh says,
[3:00:55] Speaker 1: guest needs a life preserver. He's drowning in his silly excuses.
[3:00:59] Speaker 1: Channel the Holy Spirit, quick praise, Doug. If the Holy
[3:01:02] Speaker 1: Spirit was real, they'd be bringing better arguments. You best
[3:01:05] Speaker 1: believe that, Raphael says, calling God evil and evil, good.
[3:01:10] Speaker 2: Christians are best in doing this.
[3:01:12] Speaker 1: People burning in forever, original sin, God flooding the world. Yeah,
[3:01:16] Speaker 1: they'll admit that these are evil things to do, but
[3:01:19] Speaker 1: when God does them somehow they're good. Now is weird?
[3:01:23] Speaker 1: The special pleading is weird. Just say he's good to
[3:01:26] Speaker 1: me unless he's been drinking. Well, you know, when yahweh drinks,
[3:01:30] Speaker 1: he gets a little heavy handed, you know what I mean.
[3:01:32] Speaker 1: In fact, there's an old saying in the South or
[3:01:34] Speaker 1: my his family from when it thunders really bad, they'll say, ah,
[3:01:37] Speaker 1: God's up in heaven beaten his wife again. They really
[3:01:41] Speaker 1: say it. The thing people say, guys. Godwin says, New
[3:01:45] Speaker 1: Testament muses that JC couldn't have gone to Hell, right, No, No,
[3:01:50] Speaker 1: In fact, it literally says in Second Peter, if I
[3:01:53] Speaker 1: remember correctly, a second Peter, that he did descend in
[3:01:56] Speaker 1: to Hell that's why you've got the harrying harrowing of
[3:01:59] Speaker 1: hell as a major doctrine in the early Church. And
[3:02:02] Speaker 1: Jim says, isn't it interesting how God in human form
[3:02:05] Speaker 1: Jesus was sent to Hell after his own death. God
[3:02:09] Speaker 1: in flesh isn't even above the flame. So, Jim, this
[3:02:11] Speaker 1: brings up a good point. If you believe that God
[3:02:13] Speaker 1: lowered himself to be completely a humid then when he
[3:02:17] Speaker 1: went into Hell he would have died. The hell fire
[3:02:19] Speaker 1: would have killed him down there. No matter which way
[3:02:22] Speaker 1: you slice it, Jesus doesn't make sense. And Josh says,
[3:02:25] Speaker 1: guest has two percent intelligence. That is typically the case.
[3:02:29] Speaker 1: Gena says he was done the second he said job.
[3:02:32] Speaker 1: Oh my god, dude, I will never understand why Christians
[3:02:35] Speaker 1: get back into a corner and then run to job.
[3:02:38] Speaker 1: I will never understand it. You are self cooking yourself
[3:02:41] Speaker 1: every time. Adele, my friend, great to see you. Thank
[3:02:44] Speaker 1: you so much for the super chap, friend, he says,
[3:02:46] Speaker 1: love the day's dreams. My boss has been making me
[3:02:49] Speaker 1: work today, meaning I know they shouldn't do that, so
[3:02:52] Speaker 1: less super is for me. But I'm here supporting well. Adele, Listen,
[3:02:55] Speaker 1: don't get fired do your job. You know, we love
[3:02:59] Speaker 1: you around here, so just chill out and have a
[3:03:01] Speaker 1: good time. Just have a good time. We're here for you.
[3:03:03] Speaker 1: Adell and Jennifer coming in against justin perfect logical walkthrough
[3:03:07] Speaker 1: of why your point holds no water collar, Yeah but no,
[3:03:11] Speaker 1: proceeds to reiterate exact previous point while holding back angry tears. Jennifer,
[3:03:16] Speaker 1: this is every conversation. This is every single one, every
[3:03:20] Speaker 1: single one. They're always like this, They're always the same.
[3:03:23] Speaker 1: Ralph says Peto in the house, let's go. Yeah, you
[3:03:26] Speaker 1: know that would have been where the conversation went to
[3:03:29] Speaker 1: if he wasn't so nice and left. Christal says was
[3:03:34] Speaker 1: uploading YouTube.
[3:03:35] Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
[3:03:36] Speaker 1: It was loading YouTube to watch yesterday's episode and found
[3:03:38] Speaker 1: you doing a live now.
[3:03:40] Speaker 3: Woo.
[3:03:40] Speaker 1: Who is there a schedule so I can know when
[3:03:43] Speaker 1: and where you'll be live. So for the summer, it's
[3:03:45] Speaker 1: a little bit hit and missed, but for the most part,
[3:03:46] Speaker 1: I'm going to try to be live on Monday, Wednesday,
[3:03:49] Speaker 1: and Friday during the daytime. I'm doing a little bit
[3:03:52] Speaker 1: extra this week, but I can't while my son's with
[3:03:55] Speaker 1: me do any more than that. And I can't do
[3:03:57] Speaker 1: any nighttime stream. So we're hanging out over the summer
[3:04:00] Speaker 1: and I'm just doing work hours and Rafaelles's two billion Christians,
[3:04:05] Speaker 1: not one can turn water into wine. I'm getting a
[3:04:07] Speaker 1: little suspicious about the Bible. Listen, the Bible says you,
[3:04:10] Speaker 1: you do greater works in what I've done, and they're
[3:04:12] Speaker 1: not doing it. If Christians start turning water into wine,
[3:04:15] Speaker 1: then I'll believe. I'm going to read four more super chats.
[3:04:17] Speaker 1: We'll get our next guest in here. Superhuman, says Matthew.
[3:04:20] Speaker 1: Sixteen seems like an obvious fuck up. It is an
[3:04:23] Speaker 1: obvious fuck up. Why do you think it wasn't edited
[3:04:27] Speaker 1: out later while it was being written? Wasn't Matthew written
[3:04:30] Speaker 1: fairly late? So I think Matthew and Mark understood this
[3:04:34] Speaker 1: passage to be answered in the transfiguration. In their mind,
[3:04:38] Speaker 1: it wasn't a fuck up for anyone who's not like
[3:04:42] Speaker 1: entrenched in the dogma and the nonsense. It's just a
[3:04:45] Speaker 1: fuck up, you know what I mean. So the gospel
[3:04:48] Speaker 1: writers were doing the same pretzeling as modern Christians. Just says,
[3:04:52] Speaker 1: if the Bible is open to anyone's interpretations and excuses,
[3:04:55] Speaker 1: it's pretty easy to disregard it one hundred percent. I agree.
[3:04:58] Speaker 1: If the Bible's not clear of about what it says,
[3:05:01] Speaker 1: and anyone can read it with or without the Holy
[3:05:03] Speaker 1: Spirit and come to a different conclusion, then it sounds
[3:05:06] Speaker 1: like it's just not a useful tool. We shouldn't be
[3:05:08] Speaker 1: using it. And Shady says, for me, the idea that
[3:05:11] Speaker 1: God gives us free will never made sense considering the
[3:05:13] Speaker 1: threat of hell. If you don't believe in God, yeah,
[3:05:15] Speaker 1: one hundred percent. If you can only make a decision
[3:05:19] Speaker 1: based on the threat of torture, you don't have free
[3:05:22] Speaker 1: will all there is to it. And Nathan says, have
[3:05:25] Speaker 1: you ever had anyone from scientology call in and try
[3:05:27] Speaker 1: to defend it? Not yet, Nathan, But I would love
[3:05:30] Speaker 1: to because I actually don't know a lot about scientology,
[3:05:32] Speaker 1: but I would love to talk to a scientologist. It
[3:05:35] Speaker 1: would make my day. And Adam says, thank you, by
[3:05:39] Speaker 1: the way for the super chat. Adam, good to see
[3:05:41] Speaker 1: a friend. I hope you're doing well, says life Hack
[3:05:44] Speaker 1: for the YouTube autocorrect, just start a note on your
[3:05:47] Speaker 1: phone's note section, type out the super chat, then copy
[3:05:50] Speaker 1: and paste.
[3:05:51] Speaker 3: It.
[3:05:51] Speaker 1: Gets around having a drunk text formatted Superchat that's good advice, Adam.
[3:05:57] Speaker 1: We get quite a few of those where people type
[3:06:00] Speaker 1: stuff out and it's incoherent because the super chat system
[3:06:04] Speaker 1: didn't help them do any of the autocorrection, which I get.
[3:06:08] Speaker 1: I've been victim of the autocorrect quite a bit myself.
[3:06:11] Speaker 1: All right, let me get our next guest from the
[3:06:14] Speaker 1: TikTok Q. We've had Kobe waiting quite a bit to
[3:06:17] Speaker 1: get in. How are you doing, Colby?
[3:06:19] Speaker 13: Oh, I'm so happy to be here. How are you?
[3:06:21] Speaker 1: I'm doing well, Colby. Are you at least eighteen? And
[3:06:25] Speaker 1: are you a believer in some kind of higher power?
[3:06:28] Speaker 8: Yes?
[3:06:28] Speaker 21: I'm thirty three and I'm an omenust so I believe
[3:06:32] Speaker 21: in the of basically all gods as long.
[3:06:35] Speaker 13: As you are approaching God with divine intention.
[3:06:40] Speaker 1: Sure, and what would be like or logical reason or
[3:06:45] Speaker 1: evidence to believe?
[3:06:47] Speaker 13: Well, I would ask for you to actually look this
[3:06:49] Speaker 13: up yourself.
[3:06:50] Speaker 21: It's a word called kundalini, if you wouldn't mind like
[3:06:53] Speaker 21: just reading for the group. The first I don't know
[3:06:55] Speaker 21: three sentences on with PD or whatever it's.
[3:06:58] Speaker 1: Un I know about colonelingis no not kind of oh different? Sorry,
[3:07:04] Speaker 1: Kundalini k u.
[3:07:06] Speaker 21: N d A L, I N I and I just
[3:07:10] Speaker 21: need everything house. This is like real and I'm not
[3:07:12] Speaker 21: making it up.
[3:07:12] Speaker 1: Kundalini says in Hindu tantric, yoga is a spiritual energy
[3:07:18] Speaker 1: believed to be located at the base of the spine,
[3:07:20] Speaker 1: often visualized as a coiled serpent. I thought that was
[3:07:25] Speaker 1: your prostate.
[3:07:28] Speaker 18: It's not.
[3:07:28] Speaker 21: There is there is an energy at the base of
[3:07:31] Speaker 21: your spine.
[3:07:33] Speaker 6: Was raised.
[3:07:35] Speaker 13: Sorry, I look like ship right now, But I was
[3:07:37] Speaker 13: raised Catholic, and I went.
[3:07:41] Speaker 21: Down to New Orleans and I'm talking to a medium
[3:07:46] Speaker 21: and she and I do everything that she said. I
[3:07:49] Speaker 21: squatted it everything, and I actually remember the exact moment
[3:07:52] Speaker 21: she said. She goes, you feel like you got fire
[3:07:57] Speaker 21: ren rating up and down your span.
[3:07:59] Speaker 13: You are not.
[3:08:00] Speaker 21: You were having what's called the raz of the Kundalini.
[3:08:03] Speaker 21: And I literally went, Now, this bitch is dropping words,
[3:08:06] Speaker 21: big words.
[3:08:06] Speaker 13: I don't know what they are. I forget why the
[3:08:09] Speaker 13: gloves because I got a little neil fungus going on.
[3:08:13] Speaker 13: I'm trying to treat them.
[3:08:14] Speaker 21: But so as I'm down, you know, I forget what
[3:08:19] Speaker 21: this woman says.
[3:08:20] Speaker 13: I absolutely forget. And it wasn't until.
[3:08:23] Speaker 21: Probably like a couple months later, I go down to Naples, Florida,
[3:08:26] Speaker 21: and now I'm an om miss but I was.
[3:08:28] Speaker 13: Raised Catholic, and I do love Yeshua. But I, by
[3:08:31] Speaker 13: the way, I agree.
[3:08:32] Speaker 21: With you on so many fronts about the ridiculousness of
[3:08:36] Speaker 21: the Bible. Like a lot of what you've said today,
[3:08:39] Speaker 21: I totally buy it with However, I still have found Yeshua.
[3:08:44] Speaker 21: And so I Basically, when I was next to the ocean,
[3:08:48] Speaker 21: I said, Yeshua, you know you baptized me when I
[3:08:50] Speaker 21: was little, but like, who gives a shit I was,
[3:08:52] Speaker 21: I wasn't there, I didn't know what's going on. Could
[3:08:54] Speaker 21: you baptize me now? And I went into the water
[3:08:57] Speaker 21: and I came out a completely different, you know being.
[3:09:01] Speaker 13: And I'm gonna show you what kundelinia is. Basically it
[3:09:04] Speaker 13: is it's basically an uncoiling energy.
[3:09:07] Speaker 21: And if the idea in Hinduism is that there is
[3:09:12] Speaker 21: basically there's not really heaven and Hell, but it's more
[3:09:16] Speaker 21: like this place. Yourth is either our karmaic heaven or health.
[3:09:21] Speaker 21: But basically at the end you're trying to like get
[3:09:23] Speaker 21: off that wheel of karma, and eventually you're trying to
[3:09:27] Speaker 21: I guess just go to the spirit realm. I'm not
[3:09:29] Speaker 21: really sure, but Kundlini is supposedly the vehicle to do this.
[3:09:34] Speaker 13: But like, so, if I just surrender to the energy.
[3:09:38] Speaker 21: It fucking takes over my body and it's kind of
[3:09:40] Speaker 21: like an internal chiropracker and it makes.
[3:09:43] Speaker 13: Me do all weird shit.
[3:09:44] Speaker 21: And by the way, tons of Christians will tell you
[3:09:46] Speaker 21: that there's a demon that's inside of me.
[3:09:49] Speaker 13: It is very fucking weird.
[3:09:50] Speaker 21: Like this is very embarrassing for me right now, but
[3:09:52] Speaker 21: I'm just being very vulnerable and explain to.
[3:09:54] Speaker 13: You kind of what happened to me. And in fact,
[3:09:58] Speaker 13: let me show you this.
[3:10:00] Speaker 21: So if you read up on Kundulany and the energy,
[3:10:03] Speaker 21: it'll it'll show you that if you have sexual relations
[3:10:06] Speaker 21: with somebody that's had this kindulany weakening happening to them,
[3:10:10] Speaker 21: you may in fact have kindelany awakening yourself. And so
[3:10:14] Speaker 21: my husband is basically like I'm the Phoebe to his
[3:10:18] Speaker 21: rocks if you want to, if you know friends, But
[3:10:21] Speaker 21: he's a skeptic, and you know, I honestly I think
[3:10:24] Speaker 21: if I wasn't in his life.
[3:10:25] Speaker 13: He would probably be an atheist as well. But he
[3:10:28] Speaker 13: does believe in God.
[3:10:28] Speaker 21: Now, but he it has something to do with weed,
[3:10:31] Speaker 21: for sure, but it's it's kind of definitely more than that.
[3:10:34] Speaker 13: So like, I'm not on any drugs right now, but
[3:10:37] Speaker 13: my husband, oh yeah, yeah, no, And it does have
[3:10:41] Speaker 13: something to do with weed, sure, but I at the
[3:10:44] Speaker 13: time that this happened, I'd only done weed and I'll
[3:10:49] Speaker 13: come and nothing stronger. But my husband is very smart.
[3:10:52] Speaker 13: He's the doctor of the Year of twenty twenty.
[3:10:55] Speaker 21: Okay, but even this guy who is the most skeptical me,
[3:11:00] Speaker 21: when he's high on marijuana, this energy will do the
[3:11:03] Speaker 21: same shit to his body.
[3:11:05] Speaker 2: That when he takes drugs. He'll experience things.
[3:11:09] Speaker 13: I know, but I'm telling you I'm not on any drugs.
[3:11:12] Speaker 21: I was sober for years giving birth to my son
[3:11:16] Speaker 21: and breastfeeding him. I was sober for about the better
[3:11:19] Speaker 21: part three years. And this energy still moves through me.
[3:11:22] Speaker 21: And it just has to do with breathwork, and it
[3:11:24] Speaker 21: just has to deal with you know, I'm not really sure.
[3:11:28] Speaker 21: But if you also look into TUNAL, you will read
[3:11:31] Speaker 21: up on how basically synchronicities or like magical coincidences happen
[3:11:36] Speaker 21: to people like me on a more intense rate.
[3:11:40] Speaker 1: Do you know what do you know what psychosomatic experiences are.
[3:11:46] Speaker 13: Yes, and I would agree with you that that could
[3:11:48] Speaker 13: be what happened to me. But I had no clue
[3:11:51] Speaker 13: what Kundalini was when this happened to me. So basically,
[3:11:53] Speaker 13: there's people that try their whole lives to get this
[3:11:56] Speaker 13: energy to pop off within themselves, and I was not
[3:11:59] Speaker 13: one of them.
[3:11:59] Speaker 8: I was spontaneous.
[3:12:01] Speaker 1: I want to make sure that you and I are
[3:12:04] Speaker 1: at the same place, because we're not right now right.
[3:12:07] Speaker 1: So what you're saying is you believe that your God
[3:12:10] Speaker 1: concept is real because you feel it in your spine,
[3:12:14] Speaker 1: And what I'm saying is there seems to be no
[3:12:17] Speaker 1: actual medical, scientific evidence that this is the case. It
[3:12:21] Speaker 1: seems like you're taking a feeling that you're having, probably
[3:12:24] Speaker 1: a placebo effect at best, and interpreting it as a
[3:12:28] Speaker 1: divine entity.
[3:12:32] Speaker 13: Well, I absolutely am doing that.
[3:12:34] Speaker 21: You know it's that, But that's the difference between you know,
[3:12:37] Speaker 21: faith and not knowing, and feeling and not feeling right.
[3:12:40] Speaker 21: So I'm just trying to come to you and explain
[3:12:42] Speaker 21: my experiences with God. But where it gets basically, Albert
[3:12:47] Speaker 21: Einstein said that coincidence is God's way of remaining anonymous
[3:12:52] Speaker 21: and That's where I bring it back to Kandelini, because
[3:12:55] Speaker 21: all the time there are these magical, strange coincidences that
[3:12:59] Speaker 21: happened side of me, and mathematically speaking, if you added
[3:13:03] Speaker 21: them all up, you know by now there's.
[3:13:06] Speaker 2: I don't think he said that.
[3:13:08] Speaker 13: Look it up. Look up Albert Einstein.
[3:13:11] Speaker 1: I did. He didn't. He didn't say it.
[3:13:14] Speaker 8: He did too.
[3:13:15] Speaker 1: No, it says the quote coincidence is God's way of
[3:13:18] Speaker 1: renaming anonymous is often attributed to Albert Einstein, but there's
[3:13:21] Speaker 1: no reliable evidence he actually said it. Also, he didn't
[3:13:29] Speaker 1: believe in a god. He believed in Spinoza's God, which
[3:13:33] Speaker 1: is basically like a non thinking entity, like a spiritual force,
[3:13:37] Speaker 1: like a prime mover. He didn't believe in God. He
[3:13:42] Speaker 1: wouldn't have said this.
[3:13:51] Speaker 13: So that is a bummer for sure, for sure. But
[3:13:57] Speaker 13: you know, God, I will also tell you. And it's
[3:14:00] Speaker 13: again like I'm not here to really like argue about
[3:14:02] Speaker 13: whether the Bible is real, if you or not. I
[3:14:04] Speaker 13: agree with you. There's a lot of fucked up things.
[3:14:06] Speaker 21: But I also want to say human to human to you.
[3:14:10] Speaker 21: You know, I'm a person that survived suicidal ideation, and
[3:14:13] Speaker 21: I know that you and I listen. I would take
[3:14:16] Speaker 21: a moral atheist over a hateful Christian any day. But
[3:14:20] Speaker 21: I will tell you, if you're a person like me
[3:14:23] Speaker 21: that's growing up in trauma and abuse, when you get
[3:14:28] Speaker 21: to that point, it's because you feel all alone in
[3:14:30] Speaker 21: the world. And even if God is just my imaginary friend,
[3:14:34] Speaker 21: he is my imaginary friend that has kept me hanging
[3:14:37] Speaker 21: on so much and so many times, and in fact
[3:14:40] Speaker 21: has saved my life many times in miraculous ways. For example, basically,
[3:14:46] Speaker 21: when I was little, my brother was being his typical
[3:14:49] Speaker 21: ass whole self.
[3:14:50] Speaker 13: We're driving on the road and I just couldn't get
[3:14:52] Speaker 13: the bottom of the buckle.
[3:14:54] Speaker 21: I just couldn't get it up from it was like
[3:14:56] Speaker 21: in his he had a cheap Cherokee so it had
[3:14:58] Speaker 21: no top to it, and he was being an asshole.
[3:15:01] Speaker 21: So I was like, fuck here, I'm not gonna want
[3:15:03] Speaker 21: to go wear a seatbelt.
[3:15:05] Speaker 13: And as we're driving down the road, we're stopped to
[3:15:07] Speaker 13: stop sign and it passed by said, hey, that little
[3:15:11] Speaker 13: girl doesn't never see a book on. So finally I
[3:15:13] Speaker 13: was like embarrassed enough to try one more time. I
[3:15:15] Speaker 13: got it on. Two minutes later, the car was totaled,
[3:15:18] Speaker 13: So that's one time, a time when I was.
[3:15:21] Speaker 1: Truly, truly still, I went to Kobe. Understand that coincidence
[3:15:26] Speaker 1: has happened.
[3:15:27] Speaker 13: I understand, and I understand there's a way to prove
[3:15:30] Speaker 13: that God is real. But I also feel like you
[3:15:32] Speaker 13: don't understand that there's no way to prove that God
[3:15:34] Speaker 13: isn't real. Do you know what I'm saying?
[3:15:36] Speaker 2: What God is like? Is your God good?
[3:15:41] Speaker 5: Yes?
[3:15:42] Speaker 13: My God is very good and loving. And I understand
[3:15:44] Speaker 13: the God of the Bible is very evil at times.
[3:15:46] Speaker 2: Does he do bad things?
[3:15:47] Speaker 1: Ever?
[3:15:49] Speaker 21: My God, I I don't know. I haven't I don't
[3:15:51] Speaker 21: know what he's done. I just know how he feels
[3:15:55] Speaker 21: to me. Oh, somebody just said I'm from American Adult
[3:15:56] Speaker 21: and I'm not a good singer, so I'm gonna sing. Uh,
[3:15:59] Speaker 21: this is song I've been sence about the internet for
[3:16:01] Speaker 21: I'm an artists.
[3:16:02] Speaker 13: By the way, I've had enough. I'm you trickle down?
[3:16:05] Speaker 21: Hey, true, I've had enough you trickle down, ha tred
[3:16:10] Speaker 21: I've had enough.
[3:16:13] Speaker 12: I had him.
[3:16:18] Speaker 13: I was to pay on American Idol. I am a
[3:16:19] Speaker 13: good singer. Fuck you Okay, anyways.
[3:16:22] Speaker 1: I can do it.
[3:16:22] Speaker 2: I can't sing We're ship.
[3:16:25] Speaker 13: Well, I just that's a whole other issue.
[3:16:28] Speaker 21: But basically, yes, if you guys want to become fans,
[3:16:30] Speaker 21: the only way that I actually can, like they get
[3:16:34] Speaker 21: followers on the internet, is.
[3:16:34] Speaker 13: Going live with other people.
[3:16:36] Speaker 8: Okay, if I make my it's not gonna work.
[3:16:38] Speaker 1: So do some examination, right the god you believe in?
[3:16:41] Speaker 1: You don't know if the god is good?
[3:16:44] Speaker 13: No, I know that he's good in my heart of hearts.
[3:16:47] Speaker 13: I can't prove it to you right now, But now.
[3:16:48] Speaker 8: I know he's good.
[3:16:49] Speaker 2: Is he good to everybody?
[3:16:52] Speaker 13: I do think he's just to everyone? So I think
[3:16:56] Speaker 13: I believe in marine incarnation.
[3:16:58] Speaker 21: I actually believe that I was Bailey in the past,
[3:17:01] Speaker 21: in my past life, and she's a musical theater singer.
[3:17:07] Speaker 21: She was a black woman. There was a lot of
[3:17:10] Speaker 21: there's a lot of like nonsense to get me there
[3:17:13] Speaker 21: to why I believe I was her. But I believe
[3:17:15] Speaker 21: the karma that I've experienced in this light was born.
[3:17:20] Speaker 21: I was born in nineteen ninety one.
[3:17:23] Speaker 2: So you were born a year after Pearl Bailey died.
[3:17:28] Speaker 18: I believe.
[3:17:28] Speaker 13: So yes, again, I'll never able to prove to you
[3:17:30] Speaker 13: that I was Pearl Bailey.
[3:17:31] Speaker 21: But to finish my thought karmically, I read her book,
[3:17:35] Speaker 21: and basically she made fun of opera singers, and she
[3:17:38] Speaker 21: made fun of Catholics, and she made fun of opera
[3:17:41] Speaker 21: singers for screaming. And when I tell you, I'm on
[3:17:45] Speaker 21: American Idol and it's so fucking embarrassing, and I'm screaming
[3:17:48] Speaker 21: because the producers told me to say that song even matter,
[3:17:51] Speaker 21: I believe that that was my karma coming back to
[3:17:53] Speaker 21: me in this life because of what I wrote in
[3:17:55] Speaker 21: that book. And I also believe that I was raised
[3:17:59] Speaker 21: Catholic because in my last life I didn't understand Catholicism.
[3:18:03] Speaker 13: So that, to me is the karmic wheel.
[3:18:07] Speaker 2: Why do you think God chose to make you white
[3:18:08] Speaker 2: the second time?
[3:18:10] Speaker 13: I have no idea I would have.
[3:18:15] Speaker 21: You know, I don't have a direct line that I
[3:18:17] Speaker 21: can like chat with God on, but I do have
[3:18:19] Speaker 21: I do feel like I have a direct something with
[3:18:22] Speaker 21: this Kundalini. I mean, it's very I'm just telling you
[3:18:27] Speaker 21: is it is real and it's supposedly.
[3:18:31] Speaker 13: Uh it will lead to enlightenment.
[3:18:33] Speaker 21: I'm not enlightened at all, but it is definitely healing
[3:18:36] Speaker 21: in my valley, Batty, like, I had a lot of
[3:18:39] Speaker 21: arthritis on my knees that was healed.
[3:18:42] Speaker 13: You know, I guess that I'm the one of the
[3:18:44] Speaker 13: weirdest people you'll you'll ever mean in your life.
[3:18:47] Speaker 1: Did you God create the earth?
[3:18:51] Speaker 13: I think my God created everything.
[3:18:54] Speaker 1: Did he create natural disasters?
[3:18:58] Speaker 13: Yeah? I guess so.
[3:19:01] Speaker 8: Well.
[3:19:02] Speaker 21: You know, I think people, I think people just assume
[3:19:05] Speaker 21: that God is perfect, but like maybe being being the
[3:19:08] Speaker 21: creator of everything is actually a lot more difficult.
[3:19:12] Speaker 13: Maybe things go awry, and maybe there's things that God
[3:19:15] Speaker 13: doesn't want to happen.
[3:19:16] Speaker 21: But like it's hard to control everything in the in
[3:19:19] Speaker 21: the universe, you know, again.
[3:19:21] Speaker 1: Not know what would happen.
[3:19:24] Speaker 13: Perhaps not I'm saying perhaps God, although he is loving
[3:19:29] Speaker 13: in my opinion, perhaps he's not all controlling.
[3:19:32] Speaker 1: And also you know, if you well, I'm just trying
[3:19:36] Speaker 1: to I'm just trying to make sure we're staying lining here. Like,
[3:19:39] Speaker 1: so you believe in God that you can say he's
[3:19:42] Speaker 1: not unknowing and that's fine, But it seems weird that
[3:19:45] Speaker 1: he would create natural disasters and then not know what
[3:19:47] Speaker 1: it was going to do, and then once he saw
[3:19:49] Speaker 1: what they were going to do, didn't be like, oh fuck,
[3:19:52] Speaker 1: I need to undo that.
[3:19:54] Speaker 21: Well, I think I do believe in free will, and
[3:19:56] Speaker 21: I do think that humans has as exacerbated all, you know,
[3:20:00] Speaker 21: with climate change and things. So I believe hopefully. But again,
[3:20:04] Speaker 21: I think this place kind of business own hell, So
[3:20:07] Speaker 21: I think we're.
[3:20:07] Speaker 13: Here volcanoes negative things as well.
[3:20:10] Speaker 1: Volcanos were burying entire cities long before climate change, agreed.
[3:20:16] Speaker 13: I also, you know, there's a passage in the Bible
[3:20:18] Speaker 13: that says.
[3:20:19] Speaker 21: God kills the good people early so that they basically
[3:20:24] Speaker 21: can get out of here, which, as we all know this,
[3:20:26] Speaker 21: you know, Earth is pretty shitty. So perhaps he's killing
[3:20:30] Speaker 21: people to take them to heaven. I don't really, I
[3:20:33] Speaker 21: don't really know.
[3:20:35] Speaker 1: So why wouldn't you just click his fingers and take them?
[3:20:37] Speaker 1: Why bury them under a million tons of oozing lava?
[3:20:42] Speaker 7: I don't know.
[3:20:42] Speaker 13: You'd have to ask him that.
[3:20:44] Speaker 8: I don't know.
[3:20:44] Speaker 1: It just seems like a really barbaric thing to do.
[3:20:46] Speaker 1: That seems more in line with the idea that maybe
[3:20:49] Speaker 1: the God doesn't exist.
[3:20:53] Speaker 21: Well, that's that's what you believe, and that's respectful, okay,
[3:20:57] Speaker 21: But can I read you this? This is interesting reading
[3:21:00] Speaker 21: the nag Hamadi scriptures. So basically they're like Gnostic chapters
[3:21:07] Speaker 21: that have been.
[3:21:07] Speaker 1: Deleted, but they were written after Jesus already came there.
[3:21:12] Speaker 1: They're part of the Egyptian cachet that was discovered, so
[3:21:16] Speaker 1: their most agnostic scriptures.
[3:21:19] Speaker 13: Okay, well, I just thought this line was really interesting.
[3:21:22] Speaker 3: Truly.
[3:21:23] Speaker 21: I tell you, whoever will receive life and believe the
[3:21:25] Speaker 21: kingdom will never leave it, not even if the Father
[3:21:28] Speaker 21: wants to banish them.
[3:21:30] Speaker 13: So you know, you're saying God is I think, which
[3:21:33] Speaker 13: I don't. God is all powerful, all this all that,
[3:21:36] Speaker 13: but supposedly we've got a little bit more power, you know,
[3:21:41] Speaker 13: to each our own. So yeah, I don't know. I
[3:21:46] Speaker 13: just thought that was really interesting.
[3:21:48] Speaker 1: The people that die in natural disasters, do they get
[3:21:50] Speaker 1: reincarnated or do they go to heaven?
[3:21:53] Speaker 13: I think it depends where you are in the karmic wheel.
[3:21:55] Speaker 13: I think it maybe sometimes. I think it's very rare
[3:21:59] Speaker 13: to get.
[3:21:59] Speaker 21: Up to heaven, and I think you typically will go back,
[3:22:02] Speaker 21: so I would imagine it would take ten to one
[3:22:05] Speaker 21: hundred lifetimes, but again that's just my imagination.
[3:22:07] Speaker 8: I don't know.
[3:22:08] Speaker 1: Is there a time period in your worldview where the
[3:22:11] Speaker 1: karmac cycle stops and you're just in heaven?
[3:22:15] Speaker 21: Yes, I do believe that that's the end goal, because
[3:22:19] Speaker 21: we all know that or this shitty.
[3:22:20] Speaker 8: So that's what my hope is.
[3:22:22] Speaker 13: That's and I hope Malini.
[3:22:24] Speaker 21: You know, when you read up on Crinellini, basically it
[3:22:26] Speaker 21: says that that will cleanse your system and.
[3:22:29] Speaker 13: You'll become an enlightened band. So I'm like, I'm hoping
[3:22:31] Speaker 13: this is my last one.
[3:22:32] Speaker 8: I'm hoping this is it.
[3:22:33] Speaker 1: Well, we'll find out. I'm gonna I got one last question. Yeah,
[3:22:38] Speaker 1: two questions. What's your favorite song?
[3:22:42] Speaker 13: Probably? I mean I have to tap my head probably.
[3:22:45] Speaker 13: Do you realize from flamey.
[3:22:46] Speaker 1: Lists blame the Lips, I don't even know that song.
[3:22:52] Speaker 8: Look it up.
[3:22:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm too old and on hipped to know these
[3:22:55] Speaker 1: songs apparently.
[3:22:56] Speaker 2: Anyways, Kobe, thanks for.
[3:23:00] Speaker 1: What's that?
[3:23:00] Speaker 13: Sorry, that's no, you're that's like your generation, the Flaming Lips,
[3:23:04] Speaker 13: that's I mean, I fell in love that song when
[3:23:06] Speaker 13: I was like five years old.
[3:23:07] Speaker 1: I even lips. I've never heard of him.
[3:23:13] Speaker 3: Some kind of thing it go for it.
[3:23:16] Speaker 9: Realize, oh, that you have.
[3:23:25] Speaker 13: The most beautiful face. Do you realize? Uh?
[3:23:39] Speaker 8: About that?
[3:23:43] Speaker 13: You know some day will die? Instead of saying.
[3:23:53] Speaker 21: All of your fides let them know you real the
[3:24:00] Speaker 21: life goes fast.
[3:24:02] Speaker 18: Taught to make a good thing.
[3:24:05] Speaker 13: Last you realize the sunding more down. It's just alusion.
[3:24:12] Speaker 1: Cause by the world.
[3:24:16] Speaker 8: Spend.
[3:24:18] Speaker 1: Well, listen, I don't know anything about cuddlings, but you're
[3:24:21] Speaker 1: seeing great. So thanks for stopping by and having a
[3:24:24] Speaker 1: chat with us.
[3:24:26] Speaker 13: And stop codlins.
[3:24:27] Speaker 8: That's rude in Texas, all right.
[3:24:30] Speaker 1: But I actually don't think cuddling is his sexist. I'm
[3:24:33] Speaker 1: for sure that's that's the opposite of that. That's that's like, uh,
[3:24:39] Speaker 1: when you're helping each other out. I don't know how
[3:24:43] Speaker 1: else to say it without getting banned. Okay, let's move on, Moose,
[3:24:49] Speaker 1: thank you for the super chat. Buddy, says Massive Love
[3:24:52] Speaker 1: from England. Hell yeah, big w Over in England says
[3:24:55] Speaker 1: I think you have misread Matthew though on a donkey
[3:24:58] Speaker 1: on a colt, the donkeys are stacked. Jesus donkey on donkeys.
[3:25:02] Speaker 1: So you know what, Moose, Now that you now that
[3:25:04] Speaker 1: you mention it, Okay, now that you mention it, there
[3:25:07] Speaker 1: could be some truth to what you're saying. I have
[3:25:10] Speaker 1: interpreted it to believe that he was planking across the donkeys,
[3:25:14] Speaker 1: but it certainly could be that the donkeys were stacked.
[3:25:17] Speaker 2: It was a donkey tower. And Jesus was on top
[3:25:19] Speaker 2: of the tower.
[3:25:20] Speaker 1: I think, listen, that's a perfectly plausible way of reading it.
[3:25:24] Speaker 2: I will correct my ways.
[3:25:26] Speaker 1: Coubs says it's an apocalyptic zombie death cult, which is
[3:25:30] Speaker 1: also the name of my thrash metal band a z
[3:25:34] Speaker 1: DC tracking mar Pending. That's good. I appreciate that, coobsh
[3:25:40] Speaker 1: You're right though, it's one hundred percent what it is.
[3:25:42] Speaker 1: It's an apocalyptic death call. Welcome to the crack and Crew,
[3:25:46] Speaker 1: jaj big w friend uh and also uh. Matt Lambert says,
[3:25:53] Speaker 1: I'm perfect cooked apologist for my lunch break. Listen, I'm
[3:25:57] Speaker 1: I got a snack served up right for you, buddy.
[3:25:59] Speaker 1: The Christian eighty He says, Jesus was convinced in a
[3:26:02] Speaker 1: courts of convicted in a courts of love because Doug
[3:26:07] Speaker 1: the stone cold judge. That's amazing. That was good. The
[3:26:16] Speaker 1: douglare grows. The douglare only gets better and better with age.
[3:26:20] Speaker 1: That's how you know that he's real, because he never
[3:26:22] Speaker 1: gets weaker. He's only more and more hard. Daniels says,
[3:26:25] Speaker 1: are you going to collab with Forest fal Keaigen anytime soon?
[3:26:28] Speaker 2: Actually?
[3:26:29] Speaker 1: I am working on a schedule to collab with him
[3:26:32] Speaker 1: on the line, so look forward to that. Probably won't
[3:26:37] Speaker 1: be till like August or later, but we're working on it.
[3:26:39] Speaker 2: We are.
[3:26:40] Speaker 1: And Hallofurfy, thank you so much for gifting out twenty
[3:26:43] Speaker 1: DZ debate memberships.
[3:26:44] Speaker 2: Huge w super generous.
[3:26:47] Speaker 1: Hallefurfey, I really appreciate that, friend, and praise Doug from
[3:26:52] Speaker 1: Ja Cal. Thank you so much, Jake Hal great to
[3:26:54] Speaker 1: see you. And also Millennial Mags with us today says
[3:26:57] Speaker 1: please move on, please for the love of Doug. So
[3:27:00] Speaker 1: we got to it, Millennial, we got to it. I'm
[3:27:01] Speaker 1: sorry sometimes I dragged the calls out out of you know,
[3:27:06] Speaker 1: sick curiosity, but you know what we do. Santa Bark says,
[3:27:10] Speaker 1: I think I saw the amazing Cunolini when I was
[3:27:13] Speaker 1: a kid. Peanuts on Ice was better. Yeah, I didn't
[3:27:18] Speaker 1: get to see the act, but it was under the
[3:27:20] Speaker 1: big tent. I'm pretty sure. And Pat Pat says Colby's
[3:27:23] Speaker 1: belief got me that did you convert? Pat Pat? Do
[3:27:26] Speaker 1: you believe in? I can't even pronounce it. H what's
[3:27:31] Speaker 1: it called again?
[3:27:32] Speaker 3: Shit?
[3:27:35] Speaker 1: Kundalini? Are you Kundalini right now? Decals is all powerful
[3:27:39] Speaker 1: being attack thwarted by cut foreskin rubbing Ex's four twenty
[3:27:43] Speaker 1: four show. So yeah, when Zippora has to do the
[3:27:47] Speaker 1: emergency circumcision of Gersham and then touch the supposed either
[3:27:52] Speaker 1: feature genitals of Moses, this is a crazy story that
[3:27:54] Speaker 1: you always just out to kill people for not taking
[3:27:57] Speaker 1: the snip. It's such a weird story. Uh, shit to Vermo, Shit, Vermo.
[3:28:06] Speaker 1: Thank you for the superchat, friend, says Christian Cooking, and
[3:28:09] Speaker 1: rum oh oh yeah, found my people reading new Oxford
[3:28:13] Speaker 1: Annotated Bible and goes damn good with a glass of absence.
[3:28:17] Speaker 2: Awesome work.
[3:28:18] Speaker 1: Cheers, well, thank you so much for the super chat
[3:28:20] Speaker 1: and big w and getting in the Oxford Anotated Bible.
[3:28:24] Speaker 1: It's the best one and w on enjoying a glass
[3:28:27] Speaker 1: of absence with it. Big Big W. Eric says this
[3:28:30] Speaker 1: lady needs less drugs or more. It might be a
[3:28:34] Speaker 1: combination of both, and BPA says Toto. I have a
[3:28:38] Speaker 1: feeling we're not in Kansas anymore. Yeah, listen, we're we're
[3:28:42] Speaker 1: We're way out in left field right now. That's what
[3:28:44] Speaker 1: just happened. An insert name here, Thank you for the
[3:28:47] Speaker 1: super chat, says with Colby. I work in mental health,
[3:28:50] Speaker 1: and here's the symptoms of mania. You're not wrong. Increased energy,
[3:28:56] Speaker 1: racing thoughts, rapid speech, grandiosity, inflated self esteem, and possible psychosis.
[3:29:01] Speaker 1: Just saying listen, I've worked with some menally disturbed people before,
[3:29:05] Speaker 1: and this these are the symptoms of mania. You're not wrong.
[3:29:08] Speaker 2: I think you're You're spot on.
[3:29:10] Speaker 1: And Gabriel says, have you heard of or read any
[3:29:13] Speaker 1: of j or Thomas j Ord I've not completely new
[3:29:17] Speaker 1: name for me.
[3:29:17] Speaker 2: I apologize. I don't know who that is.
[3:29:19] Speaker 1: Thank you for the super chat though And our friend
[3:29:21] Speaker 1: Aunt says, Jesus gives clear prophecy and Christians have to
[3:29:24] Speaker 1: reinterpret it. But they will take a previously fulfilled prophecy
[3:29:27] Speaker 1: and try to reapply it to man. You think that
[3:29:31] Speaker 1: it would sync in, Doug, make it better. It's just
[3:29:33] Speaker 1: not going to get better. And they don't really have
[3:29:36] Speaker 1: any good arguments. That's why they have to do the
[3:29:39] Speaker 1: nonsense words don't mean words, and all the other crazy
[3:29:43] Speaker 1: stuff like that.
[3:29:44] Speaker 2: They just don't have an argument, you know what I mean?
[3:29:46] Speaker 3: All right, let me.
[3:29:47] Speaker 1: Grab one more super chat here and we'll move right
[3:29:49] Speaker 1: on to the next guest. Holler furfy, my good friend.
[3:29:52] Speaker 1: Thank you so so much for the six hundred and
[3:29:53] Speaker 1: sixty six a rs is big w over in Argentina.
[3:30:00] Speaker 1: He says, Hey, justin today's are Independence days, So I'm
[3:30:02] Speaker 1: here celebrating on my day off with you, with you
[3:30:07] Speaker 1: all and getting the spirit of Doug stone me. And
[3:30:12] Speaker 1: don't forget what Einstein said, the sea in the relatively
[3:30:15] Speaker 1: formulast stands for cuddlingness. He obviously said that that's where
[3:30:20] Speaker 1: I got it from. Obvious. Obviously the sea stands for cuddlingis.
[3:30:28] Speaker 1: I'm gonna do some horrible stuff with this formula. You
[3:30:30] Speaker 1: guys have to know this. You guys know me well enough.
[3:30:33] Speaker 1: I'm gonna do horrible things with it. Okay, last one
[3:30:36] Speaker 1: from our friend, y'all fights Jacob, big big w y'all,
[3:30:39] Speaker 1: thank you so so much for the ninety nine dollars
[3:30:42] Speaker 1: super chat, big big w Thank you. Friend says agreed.
[3:30:46] Speaker 1: Astrology is WU. Nothing could shake my faith in Doug.
[3:30:50] Speaker 1: I hope not.
[3:30:51] Speaker 2: Doug's unshakable. He's a rock.
[3:30:52] Speaker 1: The substitute to Darlin's book is allegorical astronomy and astrology.
[3:30:57] Speaker 1: In the Gospel of Mark, He's just Mark is an
[3:31:00] Speaker 1: allegorical representation of the Sun's journey through the zodiac signs. Okay,
[3:31:04] Speaker 1: so yeah, this is a possibility. There have been some
[3:31:08] Speaker 1: people who made these types of assertions. One of my
[3:31:11] Speaker 1: favorite is by a bishop shit I forgot his name,
[3:31:16] Speaker 1: John Sponge. John Shelby Sponge doesn't go for the zodiac interpretation,
[3:31:21] Speaker 1: but his interpretation of the Book of Mark is that
[3:31:25] Speaker 1: it's it's designed to align with the yearly reading schedule
[3:31:30] Speaker 1: of the synagogue, so it is in fact on a calendar,
[3:31:33] Speaker 1: but it's not based on zodiac signs. It's based on
[3:31:36] Speaker 1: the reading schedule of the passages from the Hebrew scriptures.
[3:31:40] Speaker 1: So that's something that you would be interested in in beact.
[3:31:42] Speaker 1: John Shelby Sponge didn't invent that viewpoint. John Shelby Sponge,
[3:31:46] Speaker 1: I think stole that from a guy named Michael Goulder.
[3:31:51] Speaker 1: Michael Goulder was a partial mythicist, and that's where the
[3:31:55] Speaker 1: idea came from. But there are ideas out there by
[3:31:57] Speaker 1: actual academics that are purporting that the Gospel of Mark
[3:32:00] Speaker 1: is working on a framework other than straight up biography.
[3:32:04] Speaker 1: So it's possible that there is a framework for it
[3:32:06] Speaker 1: that's not biographal, but it's it's actually based on the zodiac.
[3:32:11] Speaker 1: I'd love to hear it. That actually sounds like an
[3:32:12] Speaker 1: interesting theory. And I'm going to bring in our friend
[3:32:17] Speaker 1: Dougald first before we get a guest up here. How
[3:32:20] Speaker 1: you doing do gold?
[3:32:23] Speaker 3: Hey, buddy, I'm just coming up to tell you missed
[3:32:25] Speaker 3: a real opportunity. You should have started the Church of
[3:32:28] Speaker 3: Cuddlingus and been the high grand kind of what was
[3:32:30] Speaker 3: that THEI.
[3:32:32] Speaker 1: I'd be the grand cuddlinger I don't know what you
[3:32:35] Speaker 1: call it, and you guys would all be my cuddling
[3:32:40] Speaker 1: guy something along this. It's ridiculous.
[3:32:46] Speaker 3: I love it. What are you have that conversation? I
[3:32:50] Speaker 3: was like, oh my god, and I don't want to
[3:32:51] Speaker 3: hear any jokes about me not being in shape because
[3:32:53] Speaker 3: rounds of shape.
[3:32:55] Speaker 1: I'm with you.
[3:32:56] Speaker 2: I'm gonna grab another guest from a TikTok here.
[3:32:57] Speaker 1: You're welcome to hang out, all right. We're gonna get
[3:33:02] Speaker 1: unique user experience in here, assuming that's what U ex
[3:33:06] Speaker 1: stends for in this instance. Are doing unique?
[3:33:10] Speaker 22: I'm doing fairly well. It's kind of torturous listening to
[3:33:13] Speaker 22: the debate and all the nonsense, but other than that,
[3:33:15] Speaker 22: it's okay.
[3:33:16] Speaker 1: It can be. It can't be imagined that didn't do
[3:33:18] Speaker 1: it for five hours at a time. So right, unique,
[3:33:23] Speaker 1: are you a believer in some kind of a higher power?
[3:33:28] Speaker 22: I am thirty four years old, and yes, I do
[3:33:30] Speaker 22: believe there's something going on.
[3:33:33] Speaker 1: There higher power.
[3:33:38] Speaker 22: Well, first, I'd like to start off by saying, not
[3:33:41] Speaker 22: everything real is measurable. There are limits of empirical reasoning.
[3:33:46] Speaker 22: For example, love, logic, numbers, consciousness, beauty. These are all abstract.
[3:33:54] Speaker 22: These are all concepts that I think we can't directly
[3:33:57] Speaker 22: observe or sense. I disagree, we don't. I'll call them imaginary.
[3:34:01] Speaker 1: No, they're not imaginary. They are in fact things that exist.
[3:34:05] Speaker 1: We can quite like, let me measure love. You just
[3:34:09] Speaker 1: have to measure the chemicals, so we can tell when
[3:34:11] Speaker 1: someone's having a chemical response to something that induces the
[3:34:15] Speaker 1: feelings of love. We can do the same thing for hatred,
[3:34:18] Speaker 1: and we can even manipulate them. We can give you
[3:34:19] Speaker 1: special pills to manipulate your chemical and hormone balance to
[3:34:24] Speaker 1: make you feel loved.
[3:34:26] Speaker 3: They can also do brain scans and see when those
[3:34:28] Speaker 3: feelings arise, when they light up.
[3:34:30] Speaker 22: So have you lived a truly empirical scientific life, because
[3:34:34] Speaker 22: that would be an extreme accomplishment.
[3:34:36] Speaker 1: I've done everything I can in my lifetime to abide
[3:34:39] Speaker 1: by things that are believable based on having actual, reasonable
[3:34:45] Speaker 1: evidence or even a rational you make, or even a
[3:34:51] Speaker 1: rational argument for why something is true. So did you
[3:34:55] Speaker 1: have a rational argument for your God since you obviously
[3:34:58] Speaker 1: think there's no evidence.
[3:35:00] Speaker 22: Well, the burden of proof cuts both ways. Claiming God
[3:35:03] Speaker 22: is imaginary is also a belief, a metaphysical one, just
[3:35:06] Speaker 22: as belief in God is a worldview.
[3:35:09] Speaker 1: So keep in mind, my claim is not that your
[3:35:13] Speaker 1: or is not that all gods are imaginary. My claim
[3:35:16] Speaker 1: is that your specific God is imaginary. Now, actually don't
[3:35:19] Speaker 1: know much about your specific God because you haven't told
[3:35:21] Speaker 1: me much about your specific God. But if you talk
[3:35:24] Speaker 1: long enough, I guarantee I could find a way to
[3:35:26] Speaker 1: explain why your God does I'm trying to. That being said,
[3:35:29] Speaker 1: the reason why I don't believe any God exists is
[3:35:32] Speaker 1: because there's simply no evidence for it, and so I
[3:35:35] Speaker 1: don't believe in God for the same reason I don't
[3:35:37] Speaker 1: believe in the tooth theory.
[3:35:40] Speaker 22: Okay, and and that's fine, But your probem says that
[3:35:44] Speaker 22: my God is imaginary, and.
[3:35:45] Speaker 2: Then what to say after that?
[3:35:47] Speaker 3: It's saying to prove you wrong.
[3:35:48] Speaker 2: Can you prove me wrong?
[3:35:50] Speaker 3: Yes?
[3:35:51] Speaker 1: Cool, let's have it.
[3:35:53] Speaker 3: Okay.
[3:35:55] Speaker 22: So the first thing that I wanted to bring up
[3:35:58] Speaker 22: was the limits of empirical bathing would reasoning, which you
[3:36:01] Speaker 22: said is is not true. I'm saying that not everything
[3:36:04] Speaker 22: real is measurable. Love, logic, numbers, consciousness, and beauty are
[3:36:07] Speaker 22: all abstract concepts.
[3:36:09] Speaker 1: I don't think abstract measurable.
[3:36:13] Speaker 22: Well, a transition literally.
[3:36:15] Speaker 1: Are measurable, like math is measurable. It's the like or
[3:36:19] Speaker 1: the whole thing.
[3:36:19] Speaker 7: But you can't.
[3:36:20] Speaker 22: But you have not lived a truly scientific life. Everything
[3:36:25] Speaker 22: that you've done and.
[3:36:25] Speaker 18: Studied, you you haven't because it's impossible.
[3:36:28] Speaker 3: You know that consciousness, you do know that consciousness is measurable, right,
[3:36:34] Speaker 3: but have you measured it? I don't think you have
[3:36:38] Speaker 3: measured it. So you're believing, You're believing, your sources know.
[3:36:42] Speaker 22: That humans are corro'll pludge the data. You're saying that
[3:36:46] Speaker 22: you just believe all of these things. These people are saying.
[3:36:51] Speaker 3: No, so we have actually even linked, okay, even linked
[3:36:59] Speaker 3: since its consciously.
[3:37:01] Speaker 2: Yes, so unique. Let me explain free briefly.
[3:37:04] Speaker 1: Right, So, if a scientist does an experiment in a
[3:37:07] Speaker 1: lab and says, hey, listen, if I put I don't know,
[3:37:10] Speaker 1: a couple pieces of pollen in a petri dish, they'd
[3:37:14] Speaker 1: be eaten up by bacteria. Cool, Like, I don't have
[3:37:17] Speaker 1: to go reproduce that experiment to accept that the scientist
[3:37:21] Speaker 1: did the experiment.
[3:37:22] Speaker 2: Same reason.
[3:37:23] Speaker 3: Why.
[3:37:23] Speaker 1: But if you want to be unique, no, I wouldn't.
[3:37:26] Speaker 1: So just just know you wouldn't. So the fact of
[3:37:29] Speaker 1: the matter is we relegate certain things to specialty specialty jobs, right,
[3:37:35] Speaker 1: So like specialists, yes, right, So I trust specialists like
[3:37:39] Speaker 1: I trust medical doctors to know how to do things
[3:37:43] Speaker 1: because they've actually had to do the learning and they
[3:37:45] Speaker 1: actually did reproduce the experiments, just like when I was
[3:37:48] Speaker 1: in school for engineering, I had to reproduce a lot
[3:37:51] Speaker 1: of the experiments. It's not just the fact that I
[3:37:53] Speaker 1: read it in a book and I trusted that somebody
[3:37:56] Speaker 1: was right. I read it in the book, I learned
[3:37:57] Speaker 1: the formulas, then I tested it, and now I actually
[3:38:01] Speaker 1: know from experience and from learning. Now, somebody who's not
[3:38:04] Speaker 1: an electrical engineer doesn't need to do all that shit.
[3:38:07] Speaker 1: In fact, they'll probably get themselves hurt if they attempt it.
[3:38:10] Speaker 1: So just because people in specialized fields do stuff, and
[3:38:13] Speaker 1: I accept that people with specialized educations do stuff. Doesn't
[3:38:17] Speaker 1: mean that I'm being anti scientific by accepting scientific findings
[3:38:21] Speaker 1: that somebody else did.
[3:38:24] Speaker 22: My claim is just that a prudent person would only
[3:38:29] Speaker 22: one percent, uh, you know what's the word I'm looking for.
[3:38:35] Speaker 1: That's the opposite of belite, by the way, would believe,
[3:38:40] Speaker 1: you know, they would have to.
[3:38:42] Speaker 22: They would have to really have very good empirical evidence
[3:38:45] Speaker 22: to believe what they're claiming, and they wouldn't just you know, Shay,
[3:38:48] Speaker 22: they're specialists, and we just believe them because that's what
[3:38:51] Speaker 22: you know, we need to do in order to sustain
[3:38:54] Speaker 22: our beliefs.
[3:38:56] Speaker 3: So I want you not know how they do period, right.
[3:39:01] Speaker 1: I do know about peer review yet, Okay, let me
[3:39:03] Speaker 1: ask you do you know science? Do you know that
[3:39:06] Speaker 1: scientists engage in peer review and like, sometimes when their
[3:39:09] Speaker 1: ideas don't work out, they get criticized, and sometimes even
[3:39:13] Speaker 1: their article get retracted.
[3:39:15] Speaker 22: And sometimes people get on TikTok lives and make wildly
[3:39:18] Speaker 22: crazy statements and then slam other people who have different
[3:39:21] Speaker 22: beliefs and then they're proven wrong ten years later.
[3:39:24] Speaker 1: The time never happened to me, yet, So what we're
[3:39:27] Speaker 1: trying to figure out is is whether or not there's
[3:39:30] Speaker 1: a good reason to believe in your God. And I
[3:39:32] Speaker 1: haven't actually heard a good reason yet. All I've heard
[3:39:34] Speaker 1: is you complaining about what you think my method is.
[3:39:38] Speaker 2: So I'm still.
[3:39:39] Speaker 22: Waiting for I think your prompted.
[3:39:42] Speaker 1: I don't give a shit if you like my prompt,
[3:39:44] Speaker 1: so when I'm not intellectual, don't give a shit about
[3:39:48] Speaker 1: what you think. So I'm trying to figure out why
[3:39:51] Speaker 1: there'd be a good reason to me. Hold on a second,
[3:39:55] Speaker 1: I'll give you answer you think. Hold on second, I'll
[3:39:58] Speaker 1: give you the answer. I'm not talking to you because
[3:40:02] Speaker 1: you're too immature to talk to Okay.
[3:40:05] Speaker 3: If you didn't like the I held you request up.
[3:40:08] Speaker 1: People who call in just to complain about the prompt
[3:40:11] Speaker 1: might be the lowest form of life on the actual app. Look,
[3:40:15] Speaker 1: he's back in the guest queue. You did you did
[3:40:21] Speaker 1: you come to cry? Or did you come to have
[3:40:23] Speaker 1: a discussion.
[3:40:24] Speaker 2: About your God?
[3:40:25] Speaker 1: Let's have a discussion, Okay? Do you have an evidence
[3:40:28] Speaker 1: or argument that would end in your God being rational?
[3:40:32] Speaker 22: I'd like to clarify some things. Are you attacking? You know,
[3:40:36] Speaker 22: most people arguing that God is quote unquote trying. Can
[3:40:41] Speaker 22: you hear me?
[3:40:42] Speaker 2: I want the argument?
[3:40:44] Speaker 22: Okay, can you let me begin the argument?
[3:40:47] Speaker 2: I want the argument. Don't complain about my product.
[3:40:51] Speaker 22: Most people arguing that God is imaginary are attacking a character, and.
[3:40:56] Speaker 1: Don't give a fuck about your opinion on my prompt,
[3:40:59] Speaker 1: don't don't care. I asked for an argument that wasn't
[3:41:01] Speaker 1: an argument.
[3:41:05] Speaker 3: What the stubbornness and the sheer childish this?
[3:41:09] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's crazy to me. Welcome in Viking.
[3:41:14] Speaker 3: How's it go?
[3:41:14] Speaker 1: Man?
[3:41:15] Speaker 7: Good?
[3:41:15] Speaker 1: How are you doing pretty good? Viking? Are you at
[3:41:19] Speaker 1: least eighteen? And are you a believer in some kind
[3:41:21] Speaker 1: of higher power?
[3:41:23] Speaker 9: Yes?
[3:41:24] Speaker 1: And yes? Cool?
[3:41:25] Speaker 2: And which higher power do you believe in?
[3:41:28] Speaker 1: The Christian God? Cool?
[3:41:30] Speaker 2: Would be the most convincing evidence or argument for the Christian.
[3:41:33] Speaker 1: God being real? First, can I ask you something to
[3:41:38] Speaker 1: try and figure out kind of what you believe?
[3:41:40] Speaker 3: Where you stand?
[3:41:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm a I'm an atheist, and so do God.
[3:41:44] Speaker 1: You're an atheist too, right?
[3:41:46] Speaker 3: Absolutely?
[3:41:47] Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got two atheists here.
[3:41:49] Speaker 3: Sure.
[3:41:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll every once in a while this stream will
[3:41:53] Speaker 1: come across on TikTok, so I'll watch it for a
[3:41:55] Speaker 1: little bit. Seems like a lot of the time you're
[3:41:59] Speaker 1: arguing with someone about whether or not slavery is moral right,
[3:42:04] Speaker 1: if it's okay to own someone's property, if it's evil
[3:42:08] Speaker 1: for God to punish someone else for sins they didn't
[3:42:12] Speaker 1: commit stuff along those lines, which kind of is interesting
[3:42:16] Speaker 1: to me because.
[3:42:17] Speaker 3: What your moral standard is an atheist.
[3:42:19] Speaker 1: Is that your next question, I would imagine that you
[3:42:22] Speaker 1: would say, well, yeah, sure. I would imagine you would
[3:42:26] Speaker 1: say there is no such thing as absolute truth, right
[3:42:29] Speaker 1: and wrong, immoral, moral, evil, or good. So anytime you
[3:42:34] Speaker 1: make a claim like that, you would have to admit
[3:42:36] Speaker 1: that's just your opinion.
[3:42:37] Speaker 2: I'm sorry, what claim have I made?
[3:42:40] Speaker 1: H sure that slavery is evil? Oh?
[3:42:43] Speaker 2: I never made that claim.
[3:42:46] Speaker 1: So is slavery evil? In my worldview, slavery is evil,
[3:42:49] Speaker 1: and that's a subjective claim. The reason why I bring
[3:42:52] Speaker 1: up slavery is because Christians will say that slavery is evil,
[3:42:57] Speaker 1: and then they'll say that that God doesn't do any evil,
[3:42:59] Speaker 1: and then I'll show them their God doing the evil.
[3:43:01] Speaker 3: Shit.
[3:43:02] Speaker 1: Now, in my worldview, I'm perfectly okay admitting that my
[3:43:05] Speaker 1: moral framework is subjective. The problem is that in the
[3:43:08] Speaker 1: Christian worldview, your moral framework is objective, which you mean,
[3:43:13] Speaker 1: is actually a divine command theory because there's no room
[3:43:16] Speaker 1: for objective morals in your framework.
[3:43:18] Speaker 2: You just think there is, But.
[3:43:20] Speaker 1: The reality is, in your worldview, you have to admit
[3:43:23] Speaker 1: that slavery is permissible. Sure, yeah, I would say under
[3:43:28] Speaker 1: old kevinet within the guidelines that God had given them,
[3:43:31] Speaker 1: slavery was permissible.
[3:43:32] Speaker 2: Ye did he ever say not to own slaves.
[3:43:35] Speaker 1: No, he actually said you may own slaves, and he
[3:43:37] Speaker 1: told us where they are to come from. That's right
[3:43:39] Speaker 1: when I say, okay, so the God of the book
[3:43:42] Speaker 1: said you can own slaves, and the same law code
[3:43:45] Speaker 1: that said you can own slaves, he said to follow
[3:43:46] Speaker 1: this law forever Jesus comes along. Jesus says to follow
[3:43:50] Speaker 1: the law. So the only chance you get is to say, well,
[3:43:54] Speaker 1: according to Paul, you don't have to follow all the
[3:43:56] Speaker 1: law anymore. But that doesn't actually fix the problem, because
[3:43:58] Speaker 1: if you don't have to follow the law more, that
[3:44:00] Speaker 1: means you can do anything you want to your slaves.
[3:44:02] Speaker 1: You can own as many slaves as you want. Getting
[3:44:04] Speaker 1: rid of the law has nothing to do with whether
[3:44:07] Speaker 1: or not you can own slaves. Right, sure, And I'm
[3:44:10] Speaker 1: not even trying to jump into the slavery topic. We
[3:44:12] Speaker 1: haven't got he here. You picked it up. You you
[3:44:14] Speaker 1: decided you were going to pick on slavery, and fuck
[3:44:17] Speaker 1: now we are. You're like a sado masochist. Sorry I gave.
[3:44:22] Speaker 1: I gave slavery and punishing others for someone's sense as
[3:44:26] Speaker 1: an example to mention, you seem to have no belief
[3:44:30] Speaker 1: in absolute truth, so anything you say is just your opinion.
[3:44:33] Speaker 1: So so again, so again you're confusing absolute morality with
[3:44:38] Speaker 1: absolute truth. Like we you started criticizing my moral framework
[3:44:42] Speaker 1: and then you immediately moved to absolute truth.
[3:44:44] Speaker 2: Why would you do that?
[3:44:46] Speaker 1: Sure? Sorry, so do you know the difference? But no,
[3:44:50] Speaker 1: I might be using absolute truth in correctly because I'm
[3:44:53] Speaker 1: only talking about your morality framework. Okay, my moral framework
[3:44:56] Speaker 1: is subjective and I can admit that now. As it
[3:44:59] Speaker 1: turns out, your moral framework is also subjective. You just
[3:45:01] Speaker 1: don't know that yet. Yeah, So when you say my
[3:45:04] Speaker 1: moral framework is subjective, all you're saying is I have opinions.
[3:45:08] Speaker 1: There is no absolute right and wrong. That's all you're saying. No,
[3:45:12] Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying for me, because I'm honest. In
[3:45:14] Speaker 1: your moral framework, you believe in subjective morality. You just
[3:45:18] Speaker 1: think that it's subject to the mind of God.
[3:45:21] Speaker 3: Correct.
[3:45:21] Speaker 1: So just to make sure I'm understanding, If you're standing
[3:45:24] Speaker 1: next to Osama and he says nine to eleven was
[3:45:27] Speaker 1: the greatest thing ever because it harmed people, and you say, Osama,
[3:45:31] Speaker 1: that was actually bad because it harmed people. Is one
[3:45:33] Speaker 1: of you actually right or are you both right? Because
[3:45:36] Speaker 1: they're both opinions subjectively or objectively under your worldview, which
[3:45:41] Speaker 1: you would say is subjective, Yeah, exactly. My opinion on
[3:45:45] Speaker 1: what he did is subjective. It's subjective to my mind.
[3:45:48] Speaker 1: So in my mind, I would say that what Osama
[3:45:51] Speaker 1: bin Laden did was bad, and then I would enumerate
[3:45:54] Speaker 1: all the reasons why I think what he did was bad. Now,
[3:45:57] Speaker 1: in my moral framework, I think bad is actually something
[3:46:00] Speaker 1: that's measurable. Like I don't think that taking away people's
[3:46:03] Speaker 1: lives is good. I don't think that harming individuals is good.
[3:46:08] Speaker 1: Now listen, if in your moral framework, if you think
[3:46:11] Speaker 1: harming other people is good, if you think killing people
[3:46:14] Speaker 1: is good, then listen. You're welcome to have that opinion,
[3:46:17] Speaker 1: but just know that we're gonna lock you up and
[3:46:20] Speaker 1: we're gonna throw away the key. You can have it.
[3:46:22] Speaker 1: You're welcome to have it. You don't have to like.
[3:46:25] Speaker 1: You don't have to like that subjective morality is the case.
[3:46:29] Speaker 1: But the fact of the matter is, if you're that
[3:46:31] Speaker 1: kind of vile, we'll lock you up. So I noticed
[3:46:35] Speaker 1: you didn't answer the question, and you probably don't want
[3:46:37] Speaker 1: to it.
[3:46:37] Speaker 2: Certainly did answer the questions. Okay, over your.
[3:46:40] Speaker 1: Head, I'll ask it again. Osama says it's good, and
[3:46:44] Speaker 1: he gives you all the reasons he believes it's good.
[3:46:46] Speaker 1: You say it's bad. You give him all the reasons
[3:46:49] Speaker 1: you believe it's bad.
[3:46:50] Speaker 3: Which one you use?
[3:46:51] Speaker 1: Right? You have to weigh the actual evidence, just like
[3:46:54] Speaker 1: we're doing now when we make an argument for our god.
[3:46:56] Speaker 1: So when you look at the actual evidence, you can
[3:46:59] Speaker 1: just say, based on the moral framework we're working from,
[3:47:02] Speaker 1: which one actually fits the case. Now, in my moral framework,
[3:47:06] Speaker 1: I believe that harming individuals is bad. I would imagine
[3:47:11] Speaker 1: that in Osaman bin Laden's moral framework, he probably believes
[3:47:15] Speaker 1: that what he's doing is preventing people from being harmed.
[3:47:19] Speaker 1: So we probably have the same moral framework. The problem
[3:47:22] Speaker 1: is we have different facts, right, So all we have
[3:47:25] Speaker 1: to do is take a look at the facts on
[3:47:27] Speaker 1: the ground and ask ourselves. Are the facts on the
[3:47:31] Speaker 1: ground supporting his claim or my claim? Yeah, that's wrong.
[3:47:37] Speaker 1: You just tried to claim that Osama acted on nine
[3:47:41] Speaker 1: to eleven to prevent people from being harmed. You see
[3:47:43] Speaker 1: how rediculous. Actually, I have actually read any of the
[3:47:47] Speaker 1: documents from the people in the East that like talked about.
[3:47:52] Speaker 1: No Viking, you hold on, you have to listen. You
[3:47:55] Speaker 1: have the words and do you think.
[3:47:57] Speaker 2: You actually have to listen sometimes Viking?
[3:48:00] Speaker 1: So if you actually read some of the writings from
[3:48:03] Speaker 1: what was released over in the East. I don't know
[3:48:06] Speaker 1: if you know this, but the West has occupied their
[3:48:10] Speaker 1: territory for decades. That's part of the reason why we're
[3:48:14] Speaker 1: fighting with them right fucking now, because we, as fucking Westerners,
[3:48:19] Speaker 1: went over there, invaded their fucking land because we were
[3:48:23] Speaker 1: afraid of the Red scare moving into the East. Prior
[3:48:28] Speaker 1: prior to World War Two, no one cared. Okay, we
[3:48:31] Speaker 1: invaded their land, we harmed their people. So there are
[3:48:36] Speaker 1: people in the Islamic tradition who believe in jahad that
[3:48:40] Speaker 1: think they're doing a good thing by getting rid of
[3:48:43] Speaker 1: the Westerners, by dealing with the Westerners now again, they
[3:48:47] Speaker 1: think they're doing a good thing. I disagree. I don't
[3:48:51] Speaker 1: think they're doing a good thing. All we have to
[3:48:53] Speaker 1: do is weigh the evidence of is this a good
[3:48:56] Speaker 1: thing or is this a bad thing? Just like if
[3:48:59] Speaker 1: somebody was act occupying the USA and then we attacked
[3:49:02] Speaker 1: the people occupying the USA, people living in the USA
[3:49:06] Speaker 1: would think that we're doing a good thing. It's just
[3:49:10] Speaker 1: a matter of perspective. Now, you can cry all day,
[3:49:13] Speaker 1: all day long, Viking. You can cry as long as
[3:49:15] Speaker 1: you want about how much you don't like subjective morals.
[3:49:19] Speaker 1: You don't have to fucking like it. The reality is
[3:49:22] Speaker 1: you have no way of demonstrating that there's anything but
[3:49:25] Speaker 1: subjective morals. Until you can demonstrate that objective morals exist,
[3:49:30] Speaker 1: or your God exists, you're stuck with it. This is
[3:49:33] Speaker 1: all you have and he doesn't know. Yeah, sorry, go
[3:49:37] Speaker 1: ahead and do d You're fine.
[3:49:39] Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's your life.
[3:49:41] Speaker 7: No.
[3:49:41] Speaker 3: If you're saying that objective morals exist, then you'd have
[3:49:45] Speaker 3: to explain how Christians across the board, across all forty
[3:49:48] Speaker 3: five thousands denominations, all have different morals.
[3:49:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Yeah, if there's objective morals, it's weird that
[3:49:57] Speaker 1: no one can agree on what they are, Viking.
[3:49:59] Speaker 2: Did you hear any thing I said? Or were you
[3:50:00] Speaker 2: talking the whole time you were muted?
[3:50:03] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[3:50:03] Speaker 1: I heard. I heard everything you said. Did you see
[3:50:06] Speaker 1: did you see did you hear the last part where
[3:50:08] Speaker 1: I said it doesn't matter if you like subjective morals?
[3:50:11] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[3:50:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, I was amused through it. Okay, So, so you're
[3:50:15] Speaker 1: disdained for my moral frameworks irrelevant. If you don't like
[3:50:18] Speaker 1: my moral framework, you need to provide an evidence or
[3:50:21] Speaker 1: an argument that there is something better that we can
[3:50:24] Speaker 1: appeal to. Can you do it?
[3:50:26] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[3:50:27] Speaker 1: So I'm not upset with your I really couldn't care less.
[3:50:31] Speaker 1: I'm just trying to understand it. But what's hard is
[3:50:34] Speaker 1: and I find this interesting because when you ask a
[3:50:36] Speaker 1: Christian a question on this live, you forced them to
[3:50:40] Speaker 1: answer that question directly. You'll mute them until you say
[3:50:43] Speaker 1: yes or no.
[3:50:43] Speaker 2: If we can give I answered your question. Did you
[3:50:46] Speaker 2: not hear it? Let me know when I can keep going, Viking.
[3:50:52] Speaker 2: I answered your question twice.
[3:50:55] Speaker 1: I did question I did started. Okay, so you made
[3:50:57] Speaker 1: a point, which was that Osama did not want to
[3:51:00] Speaker 1: harm people. Right, then you gave a background on everything
[3:51:03] Speaker 1: going on on that side of the way.
[3:51:04] Speaker 2: I didn't say that he didn't want to harm people.
[3:51:06] Speaker 1: I tried to give more context.
[3:51:07] Speaker 2: I didn't say any of that. You weren't even listening.
[3:51:10] Speaker 1: Let me ask you this.
[3:51:11] Speaker 2: He wasn't listening at all.
[3:51:13] Speaker 1: Let me ask you this. I was you and Sama
[3:51:15] Speaker 1: flew those planes, right, or told people to fly those
[3:51:19] Speaker 1: planes into the buildings. Was he wanting to harm those people? Yes?
[3:51:22] Speaker 8: Or no?
[3:51:23] Speaker 3: Yes?
[3:51:24] Speaker 1: No one No one's disagreeing that he is harming people. Okay,
[3:51:29] Speaker 1: so he thought it was good for him to harm
[3:51:31] Speaker 1: those people in the buildings. Yes, that's the whole point.
[3:51:35] Speaker 1: That's how subjective morals work. He thinks that he's doing
[3:51:39] Speaker 1: a good thing. I disagree. He has a different he
[3:51:43] Speaker 1: has a different opinion than me. That's how subjective morals work.
[3:51:47] Speaker 1: He thinks he's good. I think he's bad. Now, if
[3:51:51] Speaker 1: you want to appeal to something higher than subjective morals,
[3:51:54] Speaker 1: you have to demonstrate. You have to demonstrate that something else.
[3:51:58] Speaker 1: Someone starts talking, you just hijack what they're saying and
[3:52:01] Speaker 1: trying to twist it to fit your narrative. It's fine.
[3:52:03] Speaker 1: So if I get if I get to finish, let
[3:52:05] Speaker 1: me know, I'll sit on mutant A.
[3:52:07] Speaker 2: Sorry, go ahead and keep crying.
[3:52:10] Speaker 1: Okay, So we just agreed that when Osama had those
[3:52:13] Speaker 1: planes flying into the buildings, he was going to harm
[3:52:16] Speaker 1: people and he thought it was good to harm them.
[3:52:18] Speaker 1: You are claiming that it is bad that he flew
[3:52:21] Speaker 1: those planes and unharmed people. Yeah, so we have different brains. Yes,
[3:52:26] Speaker 1: you have different brains and different opinions. Right, if you
[3:52:29] Speaker 1: two are standing in front of me and I have
[3:52:32] Speaker 1: to decide is one of them right or is one
[3:52:34] Speaker 1: of them wrong? Are one of you right or are
[3:52:37] Speaker 1: you both right? Because all it is is your opinion
[3:52:39] Speaker 1: according to you. Again, subjective morals can never appeal to
[3:52:44] Speaker 1: an objective right or wrong. That's the whole point. And
[3:52:47] Speaker 1: you keep making a category error. You can't judge subjectivity
[3:52:52] Speaker 1: by objective standard until you tell me that the or
[3:52:56] Speaker 1: prove that the objective standard exists.
[3:52:58] Speaker 2: So where is it? Where can I find it?
[3:52:59] Speaker 3: I don't.
[3:53:00] Speaker 1: I'll have to prove it to you if you do,
[3:53:01] Speaker 1: show you. It's ridiculous that, no, you can't state that
[3:53:05] Speaker 1: what Osama bin Laden did was objectively absolutely wrong, because
[3:53:09] Speaker 1: there's no there's no objective morals.
[3:53:12] Speaker 8: People.
[3:53:12] Speaker 1: The fact you can't do that is more easy.
[3:53:14] Speaker 2: This guy is completely over his head.
[3:53:17] Speaker 1: It's okay, it's okay if you're you're not smart enough
[3:53:19] Speaker 1: for this conversation. So let me see if you'll say this. So,
[3:53:23] Speaker 1: so we'll just try this again. There's no such thing
[3:53:26] Speaker 1: as objective moral claims. I can't make them. You can't
[3:53:30] Speaker 1: certainly make them, because they don't fucking exist. I can
[3:53:33] Speaker 1: say all day long that Osama bin Laden was a
[3:53:36] Speaker 1: horrible terrorist, and what he did was tragic and horrible,
[3:53:40] Speaker 1: and he deserves whatever he got for it. Right, plus more,
[3:53:44] Speaker 1: I can say those things. Those are my fucking opinions.
[3:53:47] Speaker 3: Those are not.
[3:53:48] Speaker 1: Objective claims from moral arguments, because there's no objective morality.
[3:53:53] Speaker 1: So again I keep going over and over again with you.
[3:53:57] Speaker 1: I don't make objective moral claims. You're trying to force
[3:54:01] Speaker 1: an objective moral claim on me. Before you can do that,
[3:54:05] Speaker 1: you must demonstrate that objective morals exist. I don't bear
[3:54:09] Speaker 1: the burden of objective morals until you show me that
[3:54:12] Speaker 1: they exist. Okay, So if you're correct and they don't
[3:54:16] Speaker 1: exist and everything is subjective, yeah, then why are you
[3:54:20] Speaker 1: so so mad and spending so much time other than
[3:54:23] Speaker 1: trying to make money? Spending so much time? You think
[3:54:27] Speaker 1: you think I was doing this for money from day one?
[3:54:29] Speaker 1: You think I was making money the whole entire first
[3:54:32] Speaker 1: year that I was here, making no money.
[3:54:35] Speaker 2: You think I was just I was just doing it
[3:54:36] Speaker 2: for the money.
[3:54:37] Speaker 1: Like I said, I can't finish the thought I said
[3:54:39] Speaker 1: on mute the whole time while you talk. But I
[3:54:40] Speaker 1: get interrupted just when you accuse me in bad faith,
[3:54:46] Speaker 1: when you accuse me, when you accuse me and bad
[3:54:49] Speaker 1: faith of being here just for the money. Yeah, I
[3:54:51] Speaker 1: want to fucking talk over you. Okay. Yeah, So if
[3:54:56] Speaker 1: subjective morality is the thing, why are you so mad
[3:54:59] Speaker 1: about what the Bible says? Because it's just your opinion
[3:55:02] Speaker 1: if you don't like it.
[3:55:03] Speaker 2: Oh sorry, Am I not allowed to have an opinion?
[3:55:06] Speaker 8: Well?
[3:55:06] Speaker 1: No, you are, okay. So if I'm allowed to have
[3:55:09] Speaker 1: an opinion, then it's mine, right, Yeah, but why are
[3:55:12] Speaker 1: you say? Okay, am I allowed to decide according to
[3:55:15] Speaker 1: my own opinion what my opinions are?
[3:55:17] Speaker 3: Sure?
[3:55:18] Speaker 1: Okay, then don't fucking tell me what my opinion has
[3:55:20] Speaker 1: to be. Oh no, no, no, you can have your opinion.
[3:55:23] Speaker 8: I'm just wondering why it makes so so mad I'm subjective?
[3:55:25] Speaker 1: No no, no, no, no, you make me mad. The
[3:55:28] Speaker 1: Bible doesn't make me mad. The Bible is a book
[3:55:30] Speaker 1: of mythology. You make me mad because you believe the mythology,
[3:55:34] Speaker 1: and then you dictate that I have to believe the
[3:55:36] Speaker 1: bullshit when you don't have a single argument for why
[3:55:39] Speaker 1: it's true. Okay, so I may. So we've been talking
[3:55:43] Speaker 1: now for fifteen minutes. We've been talking now for fifteen minutes.
[3:55:47] Speaker 1: You've not provided one evidence, one argument at all for
[3:55:51] Speaker 1: why your God is real and why your religion is true.
[3:55:54] Speaker 1: What you've done is you've complained about my moral framework
[3:55:57] Speaker 1: the entire time. Do you want to actually get onto
[3:56:00] Speaker 1: the actual argument or do you just want to cry
[3:56:02] Speaker 1: about my moral framework?
[3:56:04] Speaker 3: I do.
[3:56:04] Speaker 1: But here's the last thing I'll say about that, which
[3:56:06] Speaker 1: is I think the most don't care.
[3:56:08] Speaker 2: I don't care.
[3:56:09] Speaker 1: No one's here for your crying. We want to get
[3:56:10] Speaker 1: to the arguments for why your God's real. Did you
[3:56:13] Speaker 1: did you read the Did you read the scream? It
[3:56:15] Speaker 1: doesn't say cry about my moral framework. It says prove
[3:56:19] Speaker 1: me wrong. That's what we're here for. Can you prove
[3:56:22] Speaker 1: me wrong? Can you demonstrate that your God is real
[3:56:24] Speaker 1: or not? Okay, So, just to be clear, it's okay
[3:56:29] Speaker 1: to have an opinion because everything's subjective. But you're mad
[3:56:34] Speaker 1: at me for my opinion that scripture is true. No,
[3:56:37] Speaker 1: I'm not mad at you because you think it's true.
[3:56:39] Speaker 1: I'm med at you because I think it's harmful to society.
[3:56:41] Speaker 2: So I want to listen.
[3:56:46] Speaker 1: I didn't say it, So you're not going to actually
[3:56:50] Speaker 1: provide an argument, are you. You're gonna You're going to
[3:56:54] Speaker 1: evade the entire time.
[3:56:55] Speaker 8: You mad.
[3:56:58] Speaker 2: I'm not mad that you believe it's it's true.
[3:57:00] Speaker 1: I'm mad.
[3:57:01] Speaker 2: I'm mad because you're an asshole, like you.
[3:57:03] Speaker 1: Just said it was. You just said you're mad because
[3:57:05] Speaker 1: I believe. I'm mad because people like you believe it
[3:57:09] Speaker 1: and it affects society right now. No, no, no, but
[3:57:13] Speaker 1: it's my opinion, right I know, and my opinion is
[3:57:15] Speaker 1: allowed to think that you're an asshole. So all I'm
[3:57:18] Speaker 1: asking for is, do you have an argument for why
[3:57:20] Speaker 1: it's true. No, that's not what I'm talking about.
[3:57:23] Speaker 2: I know that's not what you're talking about.
[3:57:24] Speaker 1: That's why you're getting kicked because you didn't come here
[3:57:26] Speaker 1: to debate whether or not it's true. You came here
[3:57:28] Speaker 1: to cry. You came here to have a bitch session,
[3:57:30] Speaker 1: and he did it for fifteen minutes. No one gives
[3:57:32] Speaker 1: a shit about your bitchession. You don't have to like
[3:57:34] Speaker 1: subjective morals, But until you demonstrate that objective morals exist,
[3:57:39] Speaker 1: that's what you got, motherfucker. You can't do anything about it.
[3:57:42] Speaker 13: No.
[3:57:43] Speaker 3: You When I find funny about that argument, justin they
[3:57:45] Speaker 3: don't take in ano account that even though subjectives or
[3:57:48] Speaker 3: morals are subjective, the outcomes or not.
[3:57:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, the outcomes are objective. Those are measurable.
[3:57:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, So, so outcomes of any action are measurable. Therefore
[3:57:59] Speaker 3: we can see that even positive, we can measure that.
[3:58:02] Speaker 3: So therefore there's where the objectivity comes in. But it's
[3:58:05] Speaker 3: not my morals that are objective, it's what I do
[3:58:07] Speaker 3: with them that is.
[3:58:10] Speaker 1: Indeed. Yeah, imagine crying for fifteen minutes on whether or
[3:58:14] Speaker 1: not you like subjective morals, rather than like, if I
[3:58:18] Speaker 1: believe in God and I had evidence that the God
[3:58:20] Speaker 1: is real, I'm like, here's the fucking evidence why God
[3:58:23] Speaker 1: is real?
[3:58:23] Speaker 2: That's it. That would be the only thing on my mind.
[3:58:26] Speaker 1: I cannot imagine people just getting up and crying about Well,
[3:58:30] Speaker 1: I don't like how you come to your moral decisions.
[3:58:32] Speaker 3: Well, bullshit, prove me wrong, cos Christians come to theirs.
[3:58:36] Speaker 2: Yeah, fucking prove me wrong.
[3:58:39] Speaker 3: Like where does that leave us?
[3:58:41] Speaker 1: All right, let me grab a couple of super jests.
[3:58:43] Speaker 1: We'll get our next guest in here. Brain damaged songwriter
[3:58:47] Speaker 1: says Doug. Damn, this kid is so cooked. Oh yeah,
[3:58:49] Speaker 1: the prior kid, Yeah he was, although this kid didn't
[3:58:52] Speaker 1: help himself at all. And look at this, we've got
[3:58:54] Speaker 1: inception do galls.
[3:58:58] Speaker 3: Ago.
[3:58:59] Speaker 1: Listen, I'm backed up on super chats bad today, guys.
[3:59:01] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for all the super chats, but
[3:59:03] Speaker 1: I've got a shit ton of them. I'm gonna spend
[3:59:04] Speaker 1: like the last half hours of live stream in super.
[3:59:06] Speaker 3: Chests already made. Damn it.
[3:59:13] Speaker 2: For anyone who wasn't here.
[3:59:14] Speaker 1: Du Goud says, I'm at the gym too, listening to
[3:59:17] Speaker 1: I'm say, listening and modding. Friend, Oh, you're probably moderating
[3:59:21] Speaker 1: my live shit. No jokes about me being out of shape.
[3:59:24] Speaker 1: I'm in shape, round as a shape. So we got
[3:59:26] Speaker 1: a double joke, even though the same joke.
[3:59:28] Speaker 2: I appreciate that. It's a good joke by the way,
[3:59:30] Speaker 2: I make it myself.
[3:59:33] Speaker 3: Killing me small.
[3:59:38] Speaker 1: Bider says Zodiacs I'm a py rex I was test
[3:59:42] Speaker 1: two baby. Actually so was I. I was an incubator
[3:59:44] Speaker 1: for six months after I was born. I was three
[3:59:47] Speaker 1: months premature. The only reason why I'm alive is because
[3:59:50] Speaker 1: of medical fucking advancements that Christians have tried to hold
[3:59:53] Speaker 1: back for centuries. And g says, what time Thursday? I'm
[3:59:57] Speaker 1: gonna need a reprieve. I'm looking at doing one o'clock
[4:00:00] Speaker 1: on Thursday. Be there or b square and Brianna says
[4:00:04] Speaker 1: heavy read Skeptics and scriptures by David Kidd.
[4:00:06] Speaker 7: I have not.
[4:00:07] Speaker 1: I apologize. I don't know that one, but I'll have
[4:00:10] Speaker 1: to put it. It's gonna be on my list. Man,
[4:00:12] Speaker 1: it's gonna be on my put it on the cheat sheet.
[4:00:15] Speaker 1: Raphael says Indian Holy Spirit, we know it. Lady oh I.
[4:00:19] Speaker 2: The the Cundalini thing was wild.
[4:00:24] Speaker 3: I'm telling you to start another church. I'm telling you.
[4:00:29] Speaker 1: Well, I says, have you ever tried Kundalini? Alfredo great dish.
[4:00:32] Speaker 1: I would try that in a heartbeat. Ship I'll make
[4:00:34] Speaker 1: some tonight maybe and try it out. I love Alfredo.
[4:00:37] Speaker 1: It's one of the best possas.
[4:00:41] Speaker 3: What of those noodles look like it's.
[4:00:44] Speaker 1: Gonna be an x X rated pasta, and it says
[4:00:49] Speaker 1: keep rocking. I'm watching Real Madrid versus PSG. Now, well shit,
[4:00:53] Speaker 1: enjoy the game, big w thanks for keeping me on
[4:00:55] Speaker 1: the in the background, and Jim Nasty says, uh, I'd
[4:00:59] Speaker 1: about Kundalini, but I've had a coccolini coil up my
[4:01:05] Speaker 1: ass a number of times and it's definitely energizing.
[4:01:11] Speaker 3: Listen, they don't need the King shamey like that in
[4:01:13] Speaker 3: front of everybody. It's just not nice.
[4:01:15] Speaker 1: Listen, we don't Jim any way you like it, you
[4:01:19] Speaker 1: can have it right when we do it Rory Orbitson
[4:01:22] Speaker 1: style here. Any way you want it. That's Burger King
[4:01:25] Speaker 1: as well. Jack Patterson says, I used to do drugs.
[4:01:28] Speaker 1: I still do, but I used to. Yeah, I think
[4:01:31] Speaker 1: there were some illicit substances happening, just as Kundalini with
[4:01:35] Speaker 1: black and chicken now.
[4:01:37] Speaker 3: Be the Aposta joke from here on out too.
[4:01:42] Speaker 2: It's just it's just all pastas as far as the
[4:01:44] Speaker 2: eye can see.
[4:01:46] Speaker 3: Jim is gonna want that.
[4:01:49] Speaker 1: Hey, praise the Spaghetti Monster and the Mighty Tentacles. Jim said,
[4:01:55] Speaker 1: I think your house is black mold. I think you're right,
[4:01:59] Speaker 1: Black Moldo, do someting up to you or yead paint
[4:02:02] Speaker 1: one of the true could be both.
[4:02:04] Speaker 3: Actually, I think there's something to that with them in
[4:02:07] Speaker 3: the boomers.
[4:02:08] Speaker 1: Really, it would explain a few things. In fact, Jimmy says,
[4:02:11] Speaker 1: do you think psychedelics start religions? And yes, I think
[4:02:16] Speaker 1: I think psychedelics are are the impetus for a number
[4:02:19] Speaker 1: of religious concepts.
[4:02:21] Speaker 3: Yeah, if I'm not mistaken, weren't a lot of the
[4:02:23] Speaker 3: priests back in the days doing lots of illicit things
[4:02:27] Speaker 3: in those simples.
[4:02:28] Speaker 1: Yes, we've discovered at the temple at a Rod, a
[4:02:32] Speaker 1: Jewish temple, that in the incense burner they found cannabinoids.
[4:02:40] Speaker 3: So talk about they were at the temples.
[4:02:44] Speaker 1: At the temple they were they were getting high while
[4:02:47] Speaker 1: worshiping the most high. I'm sure it was a blast.
[4:02:50] Speaker 8: Rafael.
[4:02:52] Speaker 2: Hey, keep in mind the incense burners were made of stone.
[4:02:56] Speaker 3: See stone for Doug.
[4:02:58] Speaker 1: It's a sign, it's a sign, Rafael says. We are
[4:03:02] Speaker 1: here to see justin cook Rafael that that's I I agree.
[4:03:05] Speaker 1: I think that's the point here. No one's here to
[4:03:07] Speaker 1: see guests cry about my moral framework and certain game.
[4:03:10] Speaker 1: A lot says New Age is just as ridiculous as Christianity.
[4:03:14] Speaker 1: She is new Age pseudoscience quack. Actually, I'm with you, sir.
[4:03:18] Speaker 1: I think that at least they're more peaceful. But yeah,
[4:03:20] Speaker 1: it's hurst the brain, the pretzels that they're putting in.
[4:03:24] Speaker 1: And Josh says, the word salad needs more coondally, that's
[4:03:28] Speaker 1: a new sauce.
[4:03:30] Speaker 2: The word salad sauce. Now it's cundalini.
[4:03:32] Speaker 3: Now it's like the cheese, like the one they grate
[4:03:35] Speaker 3: it and they tell you when to stop.
[4:03:38] Speaker 1: Here's some more cundalini for your word salad. Uh oh,
[4:03:44] Speaker 1: here's a good quote. Space Lord says, to paraphrase Blazing Saddles.
[4:03:48] Speaker 1: Who can argue with that? It was authentic, theistic gibberish. Yeah,
[4:03:53] Speaker 1: I love me some Blazing Saddles. It's it's not John
[4:03:57] Speaker 1: Candy's favorite movie like he was, I mean, but I
[4:04:00] Speaker 1: think it's his best. That's my favorite John Candy movie.
[4:04:04] Speaker 1: It's such a such a good cast of character supporting
[4:04:06] Speaker 1: our last one from our friend Roger. Thank you so much,
[4:04:09] Speaker 1: Roger for the super chat. My friend says, I've watched
[4:04:12] Speaker 1: all of her YouTube debates and can rarely listen Live.
[4:04:15] Speaker 1: Thank Doug for your talent and intellect. Well, Roger, thank you,
[4:04:19] Speaker 1: and thank Doug for being able to catch the stream,
[4:04:23] Speaker 1: and thank you for supporting the stream.
[4:04:24] Speaker 2: It really helps a lot.
[4:04:25] Speaker 1: All the super chats and the memberships and the Patreon
[4:04:28] Speaker 1: members I do have a Patreon now. Friends really help
[4:04:32] Speaker 1: to support the stream. It enables me to do this
[4:04:35] Speaker 1: a lot more often, and to well, shit more often.
[4:04:43] Speaker 1: I'd be doing it even if I wasn't making any money.
[4:04:48] Speaker 1: The money, yeah, exactly, I was doing this for a
[4:04:51] Speaker 1: long time before I made a single dime. All right,
[4:04:53] Speaker 1: let's grab KRS from the guest que and see what
[4:04:56] Speaker 1: KRS has to say. Karas been waiting for a while.
[4:05:07] Speaker 1: Hopefully they oh they cannot connect. Okay, well so unfortunately
[4:05:10] Speaker 1: we'll move on to blisters. Oh shit, care acts is
[4:05:16] Speaker 1: up here.
[4:05:19] Speaker 7: Worry about it.
[4:05:20] Speaker 3: That was my fault justification for objects if moral?
[4:05:25] Speaker 2: All right, say that again, Karras, I didn't hear you.
[4:05:28] Speaker 7: Have you heard ian argument for objective morality?
[4:05:32] Speaker 1: Yeah? I have, But to me it sounds like subjective
[4:05:35] Speaker 1: morality based on objective measurable ideas, and it it presumes
[4:05:41] Speaker 1: that the objectiveness comes from the being logical. So I
[4:05:46] Speaker 1: understand the argument, but I think it's a different form
[4:05:49] Speaker 1: of objectivity than most theists hode to objectivity. So do
[4:05:55] Speaker 1: you believe in a god?
[4:05:58] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[4:05:58] Speaker 2: No, because I'm listen.
[4:06:00] Speaker 1: I love Ian and I could be wrong about his argument.
[4:06:03] Speaker 1: I could be completely wrong.
[4:06:05] Speaker 2: Alls I can.
[4:06:05] Speaker 1: All I can tell you is it sounds to me
[4:06:09] Speaker 1: like he's referring to objective measures, but we still have
[4:06:13] Speaker 1: to get there subjectively.
[4:06:16] Speaker 3: What's the argument exactly, I've not heard it.
[4:06:19] Speaker 1: It's it's a difficult one. So essentially, what he's suggesting
[4:06:21] Speaker 1: is that, like so, he used to say empathy. Now
[4:06:26] Speaker 1: I think he's using the measure as a well being,
[4:06:30] Speaker 1: which I think is fine. I think either one works
[4:06:34] Speaker 1: for the argument. But the general idea is that if
[4:06:37] Speaker 1: you do things that are against other people's well beings,
[4:06:41] Speaker 1: you're technically doing things that are against your well being.
[4:06:44] Speaker 1: And doing things against your well being is internally contradictory,
[4:06:48] Speaker 1: because you know, if your goal is to have well
[4:06:51] Speaker 1: being and you're doing things that are contradictored your well being,
[4:06:54] Speaker 1: then you're being illogical. And so to me, it sounds like, yeah,
[4:06:59] Speaker 1: we're saying there's objective measures, but I don't think that
[4:07:03] Speaker 1: gets you to an objective moral code.
[4:07:06] Speaker 3: And not everybody follows that pattern, not even.
[4:07:10] Speaker 2: Follows the pattern.
[4:07:11] Speaker 1: And I think we can all disagree on what the
[4:07:14] Speaker 1: objective good thing to do, Like if you ask ten people,
[4:07:18] Speaker 1: we're not going to be able to agree, right. So,
[4:07:20] Speaker 1: I think the only problem with the argument that I
[4:07:23] Speaker 1: can find is that it still leads you to rely
[4:07:26] Speaker 1: on subjective thinking to get to the objective goal. So
[4:07:33] Speaker 1: to me, it sounds like it's no different than just
[4:07:35] Speaker 1: having a subjective moral framework, because in my worldview is
[4:07:38] Speaker 1: functionally it is the same. I use my own thinking
[4:07:41] Speaker 1: in reasoning capacity to come to a moral intuition about something,
[4:07:47] Speaker 1: a moral idea about something, based on my framework of
[4:07:50] Speaker 1: well being, and I do that by using objective means
[4:07:54] Speaker 1: and measures. Did I objectively hurt somebody? Did I hurt
[4:07:57] Speaker 1: their feelings? Well, yeah, that's an objective measure that we
[4:08:00] Speaker 1: can use. But AM still using my subjective moral framework
[4:08:03] Speaker 1: to get to that endpoint.
[4:08:07] Speaker 18: I definitely agree with you right now that I would
[4:08:11] Speaker 18: have to see like an actual debate to you guys, So.
[4:08:17] Speaker 1: So I I agree here. So I thought about having
[4:08:21] Speaker 1: a conversation with Ian on this topic and to see
[4:08:24] Speaker 1: if he can convince me, because Ian's really smart and
[4:08:28] Speaker 1: there's not a lot of arguments I've ever seen Ian
[4:08:30] Speaker 1: give that I didn't agree with, so like, it's possible,
[4:08:33] Speaker 1: I just don't understand it properly. But eventually Ian and
[4:08:36] Speaker 1: I will probably have this conversation. Shit, maybe he'll convert me.
[4:08:41] Speaker 3: If if you do have anything else, my kundaline is
[4:08:44] Speaker 3: almost done.
[4:08:44] Speaker 7: So I gotta go.
[4:08:47] Speaker 1: Big that your friend.
[4:08:51] Speaker 3: If you all do have that conversation, I hope it's
[4:08:53] Speaker 3: on a live because I would like to hear that. Yeah,
[4:08:56] Speaker 3: because for me, that doesn't operate the way I've I
[4:08:59] Speaker 3: seen more either, because I know people don't follow that pattern.
[4:09:02] Speaker 3: Like I said, morality is subjective, but the outcomes.
[4:09:06] Speaker 1: Are not right. Yeah, the outcomes are. They seem measurable
[4:09:10] Speaker 1: and objective. It's just the moral itself seems subjective. So
[4:09:15] Speaker 1: let's grab Blister. Sorry I accidentally grabbed you too soon
[4:09:19] Speaker 1: that last time, Blister and had to drop you.
[4:09:20] Speaker 2: Welcome back, Welcome back.
[4:09:22] Speaker 8: How are you, sir?
[4:09:24] Speaker 3: Doing good? Blister?
[4:09:25] Speaker 2: Are at least eighteen? Are you a believer in some
[4:09:27] Speaker 2: kind of higher power?
[4:09:29] Speaker 8: Yes, I'm thirty two, and yes I do believe in
[4:09:32] Speaker 8: a higher power. It depends on what level you're asking.
[4:09:36] Speaker 2: Do you believe in a God?
[4:09:39] Speaker 8: I believe in multiple god, But it depends on the
[4:09:41] Speaker 8: level that you're asking as far as how far in
[4:09:44] Speaker 8: the universe.
[4:09:45] Speaker 1: Do you want to know?
[4:09:48] Speaker 2: Do any of the gods have names?
[4:09:51] Speaker 8: Yeah? Of course, what are some of their names? So
[4:09:54] Speaker 8: I believe that the God of this world is the
[4:09:57] Speaker 8: God of the Bible. Of course, the Christian God because
[4:10:01] Speaker 8: he it is, uh, the number one religion in the world.
[4:10:07] Speaker 2: So you're a Christian.
[4:10:10] Speaker 8: I grew up Christianity, but I'm just I left the
[4:10:14] Speaker 8: religion studied spirituality.
[4:10:16] Speaker 2: Now, okay, so you're a spiritual Christian.
[4:10:21] Speaker 8: Not really, not really Christian because I haven't gone to
[4:10:24] Speaker 8: church in years since I left the dogma.
[4:10:28] Speaker 2: Do you believe that Jesus is Christ?
[4:10:32] Speaker 8: No, I don't believe in Jesus. Jesus to me is
[4:10:36] Speaker 8: just Uh. How can I say, like an example of
[4:10:41] Speaker 8: how to raise your your christ consciousness and a sense
[4:10:45] Speaker 8: of hire to higher densities.
[4:10:50] Speaker 2: So you believe in christ consciousness?
[4:10:54] Speaker 3: Correct?
[4:10:55] Speaker 1: Okay? What would be a compelling reason, like an argument
[4:11:00] Speaker 1: into or evidence why I would believe in christ consciousness.
[4:11:06] Speaker 8: Because I believe that Jesus was just an example to
[4:11:11] Speaker 8: show us how to live in this planet. Because the
[4:11:18] Speaker 8: reason why I say that because I believe that this
[4:11:21] Speaker 8: planet it's uh, it's it's it. There's this is a
[4:11:25] Speaker 8: rehabilitation planet. It's called the soul recycled matrix. Okay, which
[4:11:31] Speaker 8: is the reason why everybody has a spirit inside of them.
[4:11:34] Speaker 2: Where's the other planet? Excuse me, where's the other planet?
[4:11:41] Speaker 8: I'm talking about this planet?
[4:11:42] Speaker 3: No, I agree.
[4:11:43] Speaker 1: Yeah, if this is the recycled planet, where's the other
[4:11:45] Speaker 1: planet that's not recycling? It's like an end planet or
[4:11:48] Speaker 1: a starting planet.
[4:11:50] Speaker 8: Okay. So the universe it's like a community, right, and
[4:11:55] Speaker 8: there is a rehabilitation for everyone as far as as
[4:12:01] Speaker 8: far as to get you to ascend into higher densities.
[4:12:04] Speaker 8: So I believe that everybody is a god. You're a god,
[4:12:07] Speaker 8: I'm a god. Every human being has the capability to
[4:12:10] Speaker 8: become a god. But in order for you to get there,
[4:12:14] Speaker 8: you need to raise your consciousness, right, so you can
[4:12:20] Speaker 8: get to that level. But you're not able to get
[4:12:23] Speaker 8: to that level if you're not conscious enough of how
[4:12:26] Speaker 8: to wander off on your own in the universe.
[4:12:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, why would anyone believe this though?
[4:12:31] Speaker 1: Is what I'm asking him? Why would anyone believe this?
[4:12:36] Speaker 8: Because the study that I have, I have experienced and
[4:12:41] Speaker 8: actually studied. So the oldest god to ever record on
[4:12:46] Speaker 8: this Earth is called Mother Gaya.
[4:12:48] Speaker 1: Well, I don't believe any god exists, is my starting point.
[4:12:51] Speaker 1: How do you get me from not believing in any
[4:12:53] Speaker 1: gods to this nonsense?
[4:12:58] Speaker 8: Oh so you don't believe, than then you got no
[4:13:01] Speaker 8: none at all? No, okay, because how how our planets
[4:13:07] Speaker 8: created them?
[4:13:09] Speaker 2: Like, deccretion disk model is a pretty good one, okay.
[4:13:13] Speaker 8: So the creator of the universe, the actual creator of
[4:13:16] Speaker 8: these planets.
[4:13:17] Speaker 2: Again, I don't believe there is a creator.
[4:13:20] Speaker 8: Okay, So how our planets formed?
[4:13:23] Speaker 18: Told you?
[4:13:24] Speaker 1: The accretion disk model seems to be the model that
[4:13:28] Speaker 1: created the planet in our Solar system. All you need
[4:13:31] Speaker 1: is gravity, that's it. That's why you have gas planets,
[4:13:34] Speaker 1: you have rock planets.
[4:13:38] Speaker 8: All you need is gravity. Gravity is will hold Gravity
[4:13:42] Speaker 8: is what holds the planet in place.
[4:13:44] Speaker 1: Gravity causes the particles to come together.
[4:13:49] Speaker 3: Right, But what sis?
[4:13:51] Speaker 8: What what is the actual planet itself?
[4:13:55] Speaker 1: Well, the one we're on is mostly like rock and iron. Yeah,
[4:14:04] Speaker 1: but all of that is a form of light in
[4:14:08] Speaker 1: the certainly not a form of light.
[4:14:11] Speaker 8: No, No, no, no, No, in a different formula, in
[4:14:15] Speaker 8: a different form, in a different form.
[4:14:20] Speaker 2: Light is photons.
[4:14:24] Speaker 8: Frozen light?
[4:14:25] Speaker 1: Nope, you can't freeze light. Light's not even affected by time.
[4:14:32] Speaker 1: It's massless.
[4:14:34] Speaker 3: Only thing at touches is it black hole?
[4:14:38] Speaker 1: Although do call this does raise a good question. I
[4:14:40] Speaker 1: need to talk to doctor Blitz on a really interesting
[4:14:43] Speaker 1: question on time. I can't seem to find an answer.
[4:14:47] Speaker 1: Not time, I mean on light. I don't understand why
[4:14:51] Speaker 1: light has a speed limit if it's massless and is
[4:14:54] Speaker 1: completely unaffected by completely unaff what's the world I'm looking for? Well,
[4:15:02] Speaker 1: if it's completely massless, like theoretically it should be able
[4:15:05] Speaker 1: to go an infinite amount of speed, I would imagine
[4:15:08] Speaker 1: I don't understand enough.
[4:15:12] Speaker 3: Oddly enough, I actually have read something on this. It's
[4:15:14] Speaker 3: been quite a while ago, so I can't remember all
[4:15:15] Speaker 3: the details, so please don't don't ask for that, because
[4:15:18] Speaker 3: I'm definitely not in that field. But I do remember
[4:15:21] Speaker 3: they said something about the expansion of the universe in
[4:15:23] Speaker 3: and of itself has something to do with that specific
[4:15:28] Speaker 3: law on light, Like the what's the universe expanding? Is
[4:15:34] Speaker 3: what causes that that limitation on the light itself?
[4:15:37] Speaker 2: So the light can't go any faster than the.
[4:15:40] Speaker 3: Expansion, basically is what I'm what I think that it means.
[4:15:45] Speaker 2: That actually makes it's what it sounds.
[4:15:48] Speaker 3: So it had a lot to do with something like
[4:15:50] Speaker 3: the boundaries of space being the obstacle from that.
[4:15:53] Speaker 1: Okay, that's actually a really good observation. All right, thanks
[4:15:56] Speaker 1: for the andwer you gold. I'm gonna look further into this.
[4:15:59] Speaker 1: So so blicks, blicks, we're trying to figure out why
[4:16:03] Speaker 1: we would believe what you believe. Is there like an
[4:16:06] Speaker 1: a logical argument or an evidence that would point us
[4:16:08] Speaker 1: to that.
[4:16:10] Speaker 8: You could do the research yourself. I have, I'm just Google.
[4:16:14] Speaker 2: Yep, just no, Google is not research.
[4:16:17] Speaker 8: Okay. So we live in a fifteen dimensional time matrix, right, No,
[4:16:21] Speaker 8: and okay, well this is the research that I've done
[4:16:27] Speaker 8: that makes complete sense.
[4:16:29] Speaker 2: What are the fifteen dimensions?
[4:16:33] Speaker 3: These are this universe?
[4:16:36] Speaker 8: This whole universe, this whole community of the universe.
[4:16:39] Speaker 3: Literally only how are we getting.
[4:16:43] Speaker 8: Earth, Venus, Saturn, Mars, and so far?
[4:16:47] Speaker 3: So long? Those are planets right?
[4:16:54] Speaker 8: But each planet, right, each thing has a dimension. It's
[4:16:58] Speaker 8: a density. There's different fro densities.
[4:17:01] Speaker 1: Densities are not dimensions.
[4:17:06] Speaker 7: Okay, you know.
[4:17:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, the only dimensions we have our height, length, with
[4:17:16] Speaker 3: and time.
[4:17:19] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[4:17:19] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's it. That's all we got.
[4:17:22] Speaker 1: I mean, I think there's a theoretical fifth dimension, but
[4:17:25] Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure that it's like just at the stage
[4:17:28] Speaker 1: of this hypothesis.
[4:17:31] Speaker 3: Yeah, that's that's where it's left last time I looked
[4:17:34] Speaker 3: into it.
[4:17:35] Speaker 23: Okay, So just cleaning up about this planet specifically. The
[4:17:40] Speaker 23: reason why this planet is the way it is and
[4:17:43] Speaker 23: the God that we have here now is the way.
[4:17:45] Speaker 3: It is is because.
[4:17:48] Speaker 8: This is a soul recycled matrix planet. So you need
[4:17:52] Speaker 8: a god like the like the Christian What is a.
[4:17:56] Speaker 1: Matrix and what what is it?
[4:17:58] Speaker 3: A soul matrix like that?
[4:18:00] Speaker 8: Yeah, a soule recycle matrix is a it's like a
[4:18:04] Speaker 8: rehabilitation center. People come in. They they you know, they
[4:18:09] Speaker 8: live inside the bodies which are us, the human beings,
[4:18:13] Speaker 8: and depending on how they do inside of us, is
[4:18:18] Speaker 8: whether they ascend to higher densities or not. That's this
[4:18:23] Speaker 8: is the reason why every human being has a spirit inside.
[4:18:27] Speaker 1: Well, I don't believe any of that to be true.
[4:18:28] Speaker 1: I'm still trying to figure out what you think the
[4:18:30] Speaker 1: word matrix means.
[4:18:34] Speaker 8: It's like a matrix. It's a recycled matrix.
[4:18:38] Speaker 2: That's a meaningless statement. I'm trying to figure out what
[4:18:40] Speaker 2: that means.
[4:18:41] Speaker 1: What is a recycle? Yeah?
[4:18:44] Speaker 3: I know?
[4:18:45] Speaker 1: Do God?
[4:18:45] Speaker 2: They just keep If I repeat it, it's going to
[4:18:48] Speaker 2: make sense. It doesn't make sense.
[4:18:50] Speaker 3: People don't all try to look.
[4:18:53] Speaker 8: Look, people die, right, and when people die, if you
[4:18:57] Speaker 8: don't reach a certain level of contentiousness, then you're gonna
[4:19:01] Speaker 8: stay stuck on Earth. Dean.
[4:19:05] Speaker 1: It is diabolical. Right now.
[4:19:07] Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question, blicks. Do you know
[4:19:10] Speaker 2: about the frequency bands?
[4:19:12] Speaker 15: Yes?
[4:19:12] Speaker 11: I do.
[4:19:13] Speaker 1: Tell me about the frequency bands?
[4:19:15] Speaker 8: Sailor wave, scalar wave is will mix the densities?
[4:19:22] Speaker 2: Are you living in a frequency band?
[4:19:26] Speaker 3: What are we talking about now?
[4:19:29] Speaker 1: Is the frequency band the same as the matrix?
[4:19:33] Speaker 8: No, it's it's who lives inside each density, each frequency
[4:19:37] Speaker 8: band density?
[4:19:39] Speaker 2: Sure, obviously the density?
[4:19:41] Speaker 1: Okay, So how do we measure the density of a
[4:19:44] Speaker 1: frequency band that is on the matrix?
[4:19:50] Speaker 8: You've got me on that one.
[4:19:51] Speaker 3: Is this a flat Earth or a round Earth that
[4:19:53] Speaker 3: we're doing this on? It's round?
[4:19:55] Speaker 8: But what?
[4:19:56] Speaker 7: What?
[4:19:56] Speaker 3: What? What?
[4:19:57] Speaker 8: What I'm trying to exclu what I'm trying to explain
[4:20:01] Speaker 8: to you is just that the reason for Jesus was
[4:20:05] Speaker 8: so we could live like him, so we can grow
[4:20:09] Speaker 8: in Christ consciousness. That's what it's called Christ consciousness.
[4:20:12] Speaker 1: What's Jesus's density?
[4:20:15] Speaker 8: He's an ascended master?
[4:20:17] Speaker 2: Does he have density or is he not? Is he massless?
[4:20:22] Speaker 8: He's in density twelve?
[4:20:24] Speaker 2: How many density.
[4:20:24] Speaker 1: Levels are there?
[4:20:26] Speaker 8: Fifteen?
[4:20:26] Speaker 2: I think you said those were dimensions.
[4:20:30] Speaker 8: No, I'm sorry, I got confused. It's fifteen densities. Jesus
[4:20:35] Speaker 8: is an ascended master. He's in the twelve density because
[4:20:39] Speaker 8: of his knowledge?
[4:20:41] Speaker 2: Is he completely massless?
[4:20:44] Speaker 8: He can be or or he can be a human too.
[4:20:49] Speaker 8: He can descend and us end. But in order to
[4:20:53] Speaker 8: descend on the planet Earth, you have to go through
[4:20:56] Speaker 8: the rebirth cycle.
[4:20:58] Speaker 3: How have you tested any of this?
[4:21:01] Speaker 8: Because because of governments, because of government now right, because
[4:21:06] Speaker 8: of when when government was established on this planet, you
[4:21:10] Speaker 8: have to go through a rebirth cycle. Now because of
[4:21:12] Speaker 8: anybody these sense, as far as somebody from a higher density,
[4:21:16] Speaker 8: these sense, they're not gonna know who they are. They
[4:21:20] Speaker 8: are an alien because they don't have certificate, they don't
[4:21:23] Speaker 8: have nothing.
[4:21:24] Speaker 1: Blitz, I'm gonna cut your argument off here until you
[4:21:27] Speaker 1: you're wrong. You might know how I know it wrong
[4:21:31] Speaker 1: because I'm actually level sixteen density, and once you get
[4:21:34] Speaker 1: the level sixteen density, you actually learn the true secrets,
[4:21:37] Speaker 1: which is at densities one through fifteen don't actually exist.
[4:21:41] Speaker 8: That's where the Uni side is, the real God.
[4:21:44] Speaker 1: That's where I'm at. That's where you are at, and
[4:21:47] Speaker 1: you don't know because you're not a density sixteen.
[4:21:52] Speaker 3: So you are.
[4:21:55] Speaker 8: The creator of the universe.
[4:21:58] Speaker 1: No, I'm density sixteen creator of the universe. I think
[4:22:01] Speaker 1: you need to get on the right frequency band because.
[4:22:04] Speaker 8: The creator of the universe is lived outside of the
[4:22:07] Speaker 8: time matrix.
[4:22:09] Speaker 2: No, not in density sixteen and dencity sixteen. You're in
[4:22:12] Speaker 2: the matrix.
[4:22:15] Speaker 8: No, you're not.
[4:22:16] Speaker 1: No, I am, I'm there. I'm I'm at dency sixteen.
[4:22:18] Speaker 1: You're not. You don't know that?
[4:22:20] Speaker 8: All right, Well, just to clear up, you know, the
[4:22:23] Speaker 8: whole concept of the Christian God on Earth, basically he
[4:22:28] Speaker 8: you know, are the Bible and the reason why he
[4:22:31] Speaker 8: is like that, the reason why he is how he
[4:22:34] Speaker 8: is because just like the original creator of the universe,
[4:22:41] Speaker 8: they created you know, their first human beings and their
[4:22:47] Speaker 8: their intention was never for us to be evil. It
[4:22:50] Speaker 8: will just happen. It's like it's the yeas ye.
[4:22:54] Speaker 1: So, Blick's I want to make sure that you were
[4:22:56] Speaker 1: clear on what's happened so far. You've been up here
[4:22:58] Speaker 1: for about thirteen minutes, and you keep saying what you believe.
[4:23:02] Speaker 1: I keep asking for why you believe it? Right, So
[4:23:06] Speaker 1: I want to try one more time for a linear conversation.
[4:23:10] Speaker 1: Don't tell me what you believe. I want a logical
[4:23:13] Speaker 1: evidence or logical argument for why it's true.
[4:23:18] Speaker 3: Okay, So.
[4:23:21] Speaker 8: You know that we are not the only beings here
[4:23:23] Speaker 8: on this planet?
[4:23:24] Speaker 7: Right?
[4:23:27] Speaker 2: Who else is on the planet?
[4:23:30] Speaker 8: A lot of other creatures like what anal, aliens, animals, creatures?
[4:23:39] Speaker 8: And why can't they see us? Why can't they see us?
[4:23:46] Speaker 3: Who sees us? What are you talking about?
[4:23:49] Speaker 8: We are not the only beings on this planet?
[4:23:52] Speaker 3: What proof is that do you have?
[4:23:54] Speaker 8: All?
[4:23:54] Speaker 7: Right?
[4:23:55] Speaker 8: So, the reason why the mentions was created was for
[4:23:58] Speaker 8: our protection. The god of this planet created dementias for
[4:24:02] Speaker 8: our protection so they won't be able to see us.
[4:24:04] Speaker 2: Blitz, do you know how science works?
[4:24:07] Speaker 6: Yes?
[4:24:08] Speaker 1: Okay. Now, in science, you make a hypothesis and then
[4:24:12] Speaker 1: you test the hypothesis. What hypothesis?
[4:24:16] Speaker 2: I'm sorry?
[4:24:17] Speaker 1: What tests have you run to demonstrate the truthfulness of
[4:24:20] Speaker 1: the hypothesis that aliens live among us, they walk among us, right,
[4:24:26] Speaker 1: I'm asking you, No, I'm asking I'm asking you to
[4:24:29] Speaker 1: restate the claim.
[4:24:30] Speaker 2: I'm asking you what tests have you done to prove
[4:24:34] Speaker 2: this to be true?
[4:24:36] Speaker 8: Because if not, then we would all be fucking lunch
[4:24:40] Speaker 8: meet by Now. Why Because if they're walking among us
[4:24:46] Speaker 8: and we don't know who they are.
[4:24:48] Speaker 1: What do you think they're going to blake?
[4:24:50] Speaker 3: We don't know who they are. How do you know
[4:24:52] Speaker 3: who they are?
[4:24:55] Speaker 1: Blis? We're saying they don't exist. I'm asking you for
[4:24:59] Speaker 1: the evidence that they do exist, because Dougal and I
[4:25:03] Speaker 1: has no reason to believe that aliens are walking among
[4:25:05] Speaker 1: us at all.
[4:25:07] Speaker 8: Okay, so if the alien is malevolent and he's walking
[4:25:10] Speaker 8: among us, but you think God is going to give
[4:25:12] Speaker 8: him the power to be able to see, No, we.
[4:25:14] Speaker 1: Don't think they're walking among us, and we don't think
[4:25:17] Speaker 1: that your God exists either. That's what we're saying. We're
[4:25:20] Speaker 1: asking for an argument that would lead to these things
[4:25:23] Speaker 1: being true.
[4:25:28] Speaker 3: Are these the Kundalini aliens or these.
[4:25:35] Speaker 2: I've never wanted to drink krack and in the middle
[4:25:37] Speaker 2: of the day.
[4:25:38] Speaker 1: More than I am right now?
[4:25:40] Speaker 8: All Right, Well, there's a lot of different creatures that
[4:25:43] Speaker 8: walk among us that that they cannot see us and
[4:25:46] Speaker 8: we cannot see them because God creates the dimensions that
[4:25:49] Speaker 8: protects us and them from being fucking lunch meat. I'm
[4:25:53] Speaker 8: telling you right.
[4:25:54] Speaker 1: Now, Well listen, blocks I appreciate you coming and talk
[4:25:56] Speaker 1: to us. I don't think the conversation is going to
[4:25:58] Speaker 1: go anywhere. I've got it. I've got to move on. Okay,
[4:26:02] Speaker 1: thank you, buddy.
[4:26:02] Speaker 3: Well, justin I'll be right back. My TikTok's being weird,
[4:26:06] Speaker 3: so I'm gonna rease that. I'll be right back.
[4:26:07] Speaker 2: Don't worry.
[4:26:08] Speaker 1: I'm gonna go and question all of my life choices. Now,
[4:26:17] Speaker 1: how do people get this way? I don't understand it.
[4:26:21] Speaker 1: I don't I don't know how they get this way.
[4:26:23] Speaker 1: Like I understand how you end up with some beliefs
[4:26:25] Speaker 1: that are weird, I don't know how you end up
[4:26:27] Speaker 1: that fucking weird. I don't know.
[4:26:29] Speaker 2: I don't get it.
[4:26:30] Speaker 1: I don't understand.
[4:26:32] Speaker 2: Night man com it's great to great to hear from me.
[4:26:34] Speaker 1: Thank you for the super jest, says I'm thinking this
[4:26:36] Speaker 1: guy is actually a Christian who knows he can't defend
[4:26:39] Speaker 1: the Bible so he won't admit he's a Christian. Actually,
[4:26:42] Speaker 1: that could be it. That could be it. I don't know.
[4:26:45] Speaker 1: It could be welcome back to gold, thank you so much.
[4:26:49] Speaker 1: I'll grab a couple of super jests. We'll get our
[4:26:50] Speaker 1: last guest, and here Pat Pat says, Christians are fiery today.
[4:26:54] Speaker 1: Reality really hurts. Actually, they have been fiery, but so
[4:26:58] Speaker 1: have I. I'll take some of the credit where it's deserved.
[4:27:01] Speaker 1: I've been a little harsh on a few of them.
[4:27:04] Speaker 1: That's just on me. So I'll own that. One schat
[4:27:08] Speaker 1: welcome back says, how come the most Christian fundamentalists are
[4:27:11] Speaker 1: big right wing capitalists but are so prone to defend
[4:27:13] Speaker 1: God on the most communist ideas of Jesus. So this
[4:27:17] Speaker 1: is We talked earlier about how the teachings of the
[4:27:19] Speaker 1: Bible and what happens in the church are two entirely
[4:27:21] Speaker 1: separate things, and this is a good example of it.
[4:27:24] Speaker 1: The Jesus the Bible is like, sell all your shit,
[4:27:25] Speaker 1: give it to the poor. You don't need none of
[4:27:27] Speaker 1: that where we're going. And Republicans are like, no, we
[4:27:32] Speaker 1: need to hoard it, all of it.
[4:27:34] Speaker 7: We have to.
[4:27:35] Speaker 2: We can't give it to poor people.
[4:27:37] Speaker 1: We just let it trickle. We just trickle on them.
[4:27:40] Speaker 1: Matt says, got a wonder if the caller would change
[4:27:43] Speaker 1: his mind if Osama could prove a greater moral necessity
[4:27:47] Speaker 1: to his actions e g. God would kill us, would
[4:27:50] Speaker 1: kill us all otherwise. Yeah, man, I mean this is
[4:27:53] Speaker 1: the fair point. Like, if if Osama was standing in
[4:27:56] Speaker 1: front of the caller and he was able to prove
[4:28:00] Speaker 1: that his moral framework was better, then I'd be curious
[4:28:04] Speaker 1: to know what his argument is.
[4:28:06] Speaker 2: The reality is, he didn't actually have an argument.
[4:28:08] Speaker 1: His whole argument was I don't like subjective morals, therefore God,
[4:28:14] Speaker 1: that's not how that works.
[4:28:15] Speaker 3: And I don't give a shit if he doesn't like subjective.
[4:28:18] Speaker 1: Right, I don't give a Fuckky Carnage, thank you so
[4:28:25] Speaker 1: much for the nine ninety nine super check. Good to
[4:28:27] Speaker 1: see a carnage and something that Carnage and I agree
[4:28:30] Speaker 1: is objectively true, which I know some people disagree, but
[4:28:33] Speaker 1: you'd be wrong. It's objectively true that tacos are awesome. Anyways,
[4:28:37] Speaker 1: If everything is subjective, then why does your subjective opinion
[4:28:40] Speaker 1: about the morality of the Bible give you subjective emotional experience?
[4:28:44] Speaker 1: Tech me checkmate, I'm extremely intelligent. And also handsome.
[4:28:55] Speaker 3: It's kind of like the argument or they want to
[4:28:57] Speaker 3: come up and talk about Jesus's name being is Shu?
[4:29:00] Speaker 9: Yeah?
[4:29:00] Speaker 7: Who are?
[4:29:00] Speaker 3: Yeah? Who's who? It's like the more wise and ages
[4:29:03] Speaker 3: they add to it and somehow makes the more credible somehow,
[4:29:11] Speaker 3: you mean, do God?
[4:29:12] Speaker 1: Your subjective opinion on morality is subjective? Crazy? Wait?
[4:29:19] Speaker 2: Is that objectively wrong?
[4:29:21] Speaker 1: Oh? Wait, you don't believe in objective morals? No, exactly,
[4:29:27] Speaker 1: people are insane. Get to hear from your carnage. I'll
[4:29:33] Speaker 1: never understand people who will hear me say out of
[4:29:36] Speaker 1: my mouth that objective morals don't exist, and then they'll
[4:29:39] Speaker 1: ask me if something is objectively moral or immoral. Motherfucker,
[4:29:43] Speaker 1: I just told you my objective morals don't exist.
[4:29:46] Speaker 3: Objective God, dam.
[4:29:50] Speaker 1: It's hard.
[4:29:51] Speaker 2: Thinking of words are hard for Christians.
[4:29:54] Speaker 3: It's either we're arguing definitions or we're arguing morality. Yeah,
[4:29:58] Speaker 3: always those things.
[4:30:00] Speaker 1: It's always the same thing, Baby says, I wonder that
[4:30:03] Speaker 1: ahole thinks killing in war is fine, like when we
[4:30:07] Speaker 1: invade Afghanistan and for nine to eleven, exactly, Debbie. The
[4:30:10] Speaker 1: fact that matters when it comes to waging wars, whether
[4:30:13] Speaker 1: religious or non religion. There's blood on everybody's hands. America's
[4:30:17] Speaker 1: done some horrific shit that we justify. Yeah, we're doing
[4:30:21] Speaker 1: it now. It's not just in the past. We're doing
[4:30:23] Speaker 1: the shit now.
[4:30:24] Speaker 3: So yeah, Christians who are literally cheering on feeding people
[4:30:28] Speaker 3: to alligators, Yeah, human beings.
[4:30:32] Speaker 1: It's crazy.
[4:30:34] Speaker 3: But where where are we if this is a Christian utopia?
[4:30:38] Speaker 1: No fucking thank you, we're in the fifteen dimensional matrix
[4:30:45] Speaker 1: of densities.
[4:30:46] Speaker 3: Well tuck, that put me on level thirteen. I don't
[4:30:49] Speaker 3: like this.
[4:30:52] Speaker 1: Our last one from Justin Rancher, good to see a friend.
[4:30:54] Speaker 1: Thank you for the ten that zuber Jet says. If
[4:30:56] Speaker 1: these people are so confident in their gods, let's do
[4:30:59] Speaker 1: another showdown on Mount Caramel. I offer up some firewood,
[4:31:03] Speaker 1: my car and tap water. When they all fail, I
[4:31:07] Speaker 1: gird my loins and drive home. Well, I think we
[4:31:14] Speaker 1: do need another showdown on mark Mount Caramel.
[4:31:16] Speaker 2: I would gladly do it.
[4:31:18] Speaker 1: I'll bring Doug, you, appeal to Yahweh, Jesus, whatever have you.
[4:31:23] Speaker 1: We'll see who wins. It's easy.
[4:31:27] Speaker 3: So when they're ultimately crying out to Jesus, so they're
[4:31:31] Speaker 3: crying out to Yahweh ball Orli.
[4:31:34] Speaker 1: It's hard to know because if I was not clear
[4:31:36] Speaker 1: on who is who or where the lines are drawn.
[4:31:41] Speaker 1: But we've got unique one unique.
[4:31:45] Speaker 2: I can't say the whole word. I'm gonna call you unique.
[4:31:47] Speaker 1: Is that okay?
[4:31:48] Speaker 3: Yeah? Unique?
[4:31:50] Speaker 2: Are you at least eighteen?
[4:31:51] Speaker 1: And are you believer?
[4:31:53] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[4:31:53] Speaker 22: I talked to you earlier, and I think that this
[4:31:57] Speaker 22: is entertainment and it's fine and it's.
[4:32:01] Speaker 2: Don't give a fuck? Okay, moving on.
[4:32:05] Speaker 3: Was he really about to cry about it?
[4:32:06] Speaker 1: Well, he was the one to hear that was crying
[4:32:08] Speaker 1: about it, if I remember correctly, And now he came
[4:32:09] Speaker 1: back to cry again.
[4:32:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[4:32:13] Speaker 2: Oh well, Welcome in Jordan, Jordan, Oh.
[4:32:22] Speaker 3: Jordan, but you're in the box. Jordan. Do you know
[4:32:30] Speaker 3: you're here?
[4:32:32] Speaker 1: I don't think Jordan's with us. Okay, Well, we'll move on.
[4:32:35] Speaker 1: We got one more guest in the guest box. We'll
[4:32:37] Speaker 1: give human a chance. Welcome in human.
[4:32:46] Speaker 3: Hey, hey, hey, human?
[4:32:49] Speaker 7: Are you.
[4:32:50] Speaker 1: Yeah? I think you're okay? Human? Are you at least eighteen?
[4:32:53] Speaker 1: And do you believe in some kind of a god?
[4:32:57] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[4:32:58] Speaker 9: Fifty in h believe in God of the King James
[4:33:03] Speaker 9: sixteen eleven.
[4:33:06] Speaker 1: Okay, would be the most convincing evidence or argument for
[4:33:10] Speaker 1: the Christian God to be real.
[4:33:15] Speaker 3: The Bible code.
[4:33:18] Speaker 1: Tell me about the Bible codes codes.
[4:33:20] Speaker 3: It's okay.
[4:33:23] Speaker 9: The codes was found within the Bible that you couldn't
[4:33:26] Speaker 9: just randomly find in a book. I don't know, okay.
[4:33:34] Speaker 9: So the King James sixteen level was completed in sixteen eleven.
[4:33:39] Speaker 9: If you go from the front copy and you count, Yeah,
[4:33:45] Speaker 9: if you go to the front copy and you and
[4:33:49] Speaker 9: you count the number of the time it's talking about
[4:33:53] Speaker 9: the Lord, and only when it means no anti engines.
[4:33:58] Speaker 9: So if it's talking about the Lord of a man enter,
[4:34:00] Speaker 9: it doesn't doesn't count. So just when it's talking about
[4:34:05] Speaker 9: the Lord. So we found the one thousand and six
[4:34:09] Speaker 9: hundred and eleventh co mention in Deuteromity, chapter sixteen, verse eleven,
[4:34:19] Speaker 9: that to just randomly pop into book.
[4:34:22] Speaker 2: I actually don't believe that's true.
[4:34:23] Speaker 9: I find remarkable.
[4:34:26] Speaker 1: I actually don't believe that's true any I mean, it's.
[4:34:31] Speaker 3: What's that because first of.
[4:34:33] Speaker 2: All, in the original manuscripts, the name is Yahweh.
[4:34:37] Speaker 1: It's not the Lord, it's a mask. And if you
[4:34:40] Speaker 1: compare the Hebrew manuscripts, they go back and forth between
[4:34:45] Speaker 1: saying some of them will actually transpose AD and I
[4:34:48] Speaker 1: into there rather than saying yahweh. So if you're just
[4:34:52] Speaker 1: counting the number of times yahweh shows up in a
[4:34:55] Speaker 1: Hebrew text, it's different depending on which Hebrew text you're
[4:34:58] Speaker 1: referring to. I'm assuming I mean that you don't care
[4:35:01] Speaker 1: about the Hebrew text. You only care what is in
[4:35:03] Speaker 1: the English text. Is that an assumption that's worth making?
[4:35:10] Speaker 3: Correct?
[4:35:10] Speaker 9: Amunday?
[4:35:11] Speaker 1: Okay?
[4:35:11] Speaker 2: So do you think that the Hebrew and Greek texts
[4:35:16] Speaker 2: matter at all?
[4:35:21] Speaker 9: I think they can be used as a to discern
[4:35:26] Speaker 9: what a meaning of a word is, maybe to some degree.
[4:35:34] Speaker 1: Okay. Now, what happens when I find they are a
[4:35:38] Speaker 1: bunch of Hebrew manuscripts that say something different from the
[4:35:41] Speaker 1: King James?
[4:35:41] Speaker 2: Which one is right?
[4:35:48] Speaker 3: Well?
[4:35:48] Speaker 9: I stick to the King James. I believe that God's
[4:35:51] Speaker 9: very fingerprint is honor.
[4:35:52] Speaker 1: I'm aware.
[4:35:53] Speaker 2: I'm asking you.
[4:35:54] Speaker 1: If I'm reading the Hebrew text and the Hebrew text
[4:35:57] Speaker 1: disagrees with the King James, which.
[4:35:59] Speaker 2: One is right?
[4:36:08] Speaker 9: I'm gonna say the King James?
[4:36:11] Speaker 3: Can I ask? Why do you believe the King James
[4:36:15] Speaker 3: over the original text?
[4:36:16] Speaker 1: Does the Bible code do gold?
[4:36:18] Speaker 2: Obviously?
[4:36:19] Speaker 3: Well?
[4:36:20] Speaker 9: I believe that. Well, I believe God knew him. He
[4:36:25] Speaker 9: knew the English would be the prominent language on Earth.
[4:36:30] Speaker 3: Before language on Earth.
[4:36:33] Speaker 9: It's it's the most spoken language on the planet.
[4:36:36] Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I'm gonna need the source, would you.
[4:36:43] Speaker 9: It's it's it's the main language talt in every every country,
[4:36:50] Speaker 9: every every country. In China they're fluent in English. It's
[4:36:54] Speaker 9: a mandatory. Japan fluent in English mandatory.
[4:37:00] Speaker 3: A lot of countries are ahead of us in education
[4:37:05] Speaker 3: and they require a lot of languages of their children.
[4:37:07] Speaker 3: They're in Norwegian countries, their children speak five languages because
[4:37:13] Speaker 3: of the schooling that they receive.
[4:37:17] Speaker 9: So that has nothing.
[4:37:19] Speaker 3: Happily, because that doesn't make it the main spoken language.
[4:37:23] Speaker 2: Let's let's talk about the kingdoms over.
[4:37:25] Speaker 3: Let's say to the topic.
[4:37:26] Speaker 1: Let's talk about the Kingdymo over the second. Okay, so
[4:37:29] Speaker 1: do you think there were human beings on the planet
[4:37:31] Speaker 1: before Adm and Eve?
[4:37:37] Speaker 3: Possibly?
[4:37:39] Speaker 1: Possibly?
[4:37:41] Speaker 9: Possibly?
[4:37:41] Speaker 1: Why?
[4:37:43] Speaker 21: Yes?
[4:37:44] Speaker 3: Why? Why? Yeah?
[4:37:47] Speaker 9: I don't think. I don't think that we then tell
[4:37:49] Speaker 9: the entire story. I think there's there's I mean, there's
[4:37:54] Speaker 9: lots of things we don't know. I mean, just like
[4:37:56] Speaker 9: when God said be fruitful, multiplying read feel the earth.
[4:38:01] Speaker 9: He didn't say feel the earth. He implied that it
[4:38:03] Speaker 9: had been full before.
[4:38:05] Speaker 2: Actually that's the problem.
[4:38:07] Speaker 1: I was about to go a yeah, because in the
[4:38:10] Speaker 1: King James he says multiply and replenish the earth. But
[4:38:14] Speaker 1: that's not actually what the word means, right, The Hebrew
[4:38:18] Speaker 1: word in the text is not replenished. It just means
[4:38:21] Speaker 1: to fill. So like whoever translated it was wrong. And
[4:38:28] Speaker 1: part of the reason why it's wrong is because the
[4:38:31] Speaker 1: translation in sixteen eleven wasn't the brand new translation. Most
[4:38:35] Speaker 1: of it was copied straight from the Bishop's Bible.
[4:38:41] Speaker 3: It made some editorial errand well there's other but that's it.
[4:38:46] Speaker 9: There's other Bible code in there. It's not just not
[4:38:49] Speaker 9: just the Deuteromino sixteen.
[4:38:51] Speaker 1: But I don't even think that Bible code isn't there.
[4:38:53] Speaker 3: You can, you can.
[4:38:57] Speaker 9: It is, Actually I don't think it is for a fact, actually, right,
[4:39:04] Speaker 9: I mean, I guess that would be something you'd have
[4:39:07] Speaker 9: to research around your own time.
[4:39:08] Speaker 1: Well, it's actually not hard, because I'm looking at it
[4:39:13] Speaker 1: right now. In fact, i'll do I'll do the math
[4:39:15] Speaker 1: on it. I'm going to do the King James Bible
[4:39:20] Speaker 1: one secondah blah, blah blah blah. Where's the King James Bible. Okay,
[4:39:28] Speaker 1: now let me get my micraculator out and I'll show
[4:39:33] Speaker 1: you what we got. So for Genesis it's one forty three,
[4:39:38] Speaker 1: so we do one forty three. For Exodus it's three
[4:39:43] Speaker 1: thirty three. For Leviticus it's two seventy eight, and for
[4:39:49] Speaker 1: numbers it's three forty three. And Deuteronomy is four thirty two,
[4:39:56] Speaker 1: which gets you to fifteen twenty nine.
[4:40:03] Speaker 9: So you're gonna you got to count. You're gonna you're
[4:40:06] Speaker 9: gonna count all the animation.
[4:40:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, I just went to the King James Bible and
[4:40:12] Speaker 1: I searched for the phrase the lord, even generically, and
[4:40:18] Speaker 1: it doesn't show up more than fifteen. Well, lord is
[4:40:22] Speaker 1: a meaningless word. It could it's it could mean master,
[4:40:26] Speaker 1: it could be it could even refer to ball, It
[4:40:28] Speaker 1: could refer to Yahweh in the.
[4:40:31] Speaker 3: In the First Children.
[4:40:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, like the word lord is.
[4:40:36] Speaker 1: Is a generic word. The lord in the King James
[4:40:40] Speaker 1: Bible refers specifically to Yahweh, but it doesn't matter because
[4:40:47] Speaker 1: it doesn't.
[4:40:48] Speaker 9: Show up James.
[4:40:55] Speaker 1: So the phrase the lord, the phrase the lord word
[4:41:00] Speaker 1: only shows up fifteen hundred and twenty nine times. I
[4:41:05] Speaker 1: can search for Lord generically, but that's a meaningless search.
[4:41:17] Speaker 3: You're stuck on this sixteen hundred after the fact, sixteen
[4:41:21] Speaker 3: hundred a year after the fact book. That's just translated
[4:41:25] Speaker 3: in bad faith by a kind of a nut job.
[4:41:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, most okay. So here's the other problem, the most
[4:41:33] Speaker 1: if you just search up the word Lord, it only
[4:41:35] Speaker 1: shows up between Jennison's Deuteronomy fifteen hundred and eighty six times.
[4:41:43] Speaker 2: So you're you're still shy of sixteen eleven.
[4:41:45] Speaker 9: Wow, since I of net case an arrow space from
[4:41:51] Speaker 9: a netcase.
[4:41:51] Speaker 3: I didn't say you were, I said the man who
[4:41:53] Speaker 3: translated this, King James, Well he had translated that, No,
[4:41:58] Speaker 3: but he commissioned to have it right, he did, and
[4:42:02] Speaker 3: he was not a sane man.
[4:42:07] Speaker 1: He was Okay.
[4:42:07] Speaker 9: King James didn't translate it though, That's that's the thing.
[4:42:10] Speaker 2: No, we agree, he didn't translate it. He just commissioned it.
[4:42:13] Speaker 1: There was about forty five or forty seven different translators,
[4:42:17] Speaker 1: maybe fifty seven that worked on it, some of them
[4:42:20] Speaker 1: from Oxford. They're good people, but for the most part,
[4:42:23] Speaker 1: the Kingdom's Bible is just an update of the Bishop's Bible.
[4:42:28] Speaker 1: So are you suggesting that the Bishop's Bible was a
[4:42:31] Speaker 1: good or a bad translation.
[4:42:36] Speaker 9: It's not as good as the sixteen eleven.
[4:42:38] Speaker 3: How do you know that?
[4:42:39] Speaker 2: How do you know that the bishop Bible didn't get
[4:42:41] Speaker 2: it right in the sixteen eleven.
[4:42:42] Speaker 3: Rout Because it seems like the sixteen eleven.
[4:42:51] Speaker 9: That's where faith comes in. I believe it's out. So
[4:43:07] Speaker 9: let's let's hear what you believe.
[4:43:08] Speaker 1: This is my fifteen sixties This is my fifteen sixty
[4:43:12] Speaker 1: Geneva Bible fact simile. And I think this is the
[4:43:16] Speaker 1: inherent word of God, not the King James.
[4:43:21] Speaker 3: So now what.
[4:43:24] Speaker 1: And it's in English.
[4:43:25] Speaker 9: Now you're welcome to your opinion.
[4:43:28] Speaker 1: Right, So what's your what's your ideals? Are an atheists?
[4:43:34] Speaker 1: I think that Jesus was a liar and a fraud
[4:43:36] Speaker 1: that fulfilled zero Messianic prophecies. And there's absolutely no good
[4:43:40] Speaker 1: evidence to believe in the God of the Bible.
[4:43:46] Speaker 9: So you just believe we popped out of cabbage pitch.
[4:43:49] Speaker 3: No, only Christians believe that.
[4:43:52] Speaker 1: Certainly we have all just evolved. I mean, you can
[4:43:56] Speaker 1: call it goo. That's not the case.
[4:43:58] Speaker 3: We were munchy, so we were.
[4:44:01] Speaker 1: No, we have a common ancestor with the apes. We
[4:44:06] Speaker 1: are apes, some of us more than others.
[4:44:14] Speaker 3: Okay, we are among the great ape species.
[4:44:18] Speaker 1: Yes, there's a reason why like this isn't agreed upon
[4:44:21] Speaker 1: scientific fact among nearly all biologists. It's not because they're
[4:44:26] Speaker 1: all lying. It's because the evidence is really good.
[4:44:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, well, I respect your opinion on it, but I'm
[4:44:40] Speaker 3: gonna have to disagree.
[4:44:44] Speaker 2: Sure, do you know what er V is and and
[4:44:47] Speaker 2: dodgen endogynous retrovirus.
[4:44:54] Speaker 9: Not even chicular.
[4:44:56] Speaker 1: It's a really cool thing that we discovered some time
[4:44:59] Speaker 1: ago where when you're looking at a piece of DNA,
[4:45:05] Speaker 1: they used to like I've heard people refer to it
[4:45:07] Speaker 1: as a genetic scars, but I don't know if that's
[4:45:10] Speaker 1: a great way to word it. So essentially, when you
[4:45:14] Speaker 1: have a piece of DNA, sometimes if you have a virus,
[4:45:18] Speaker 1: the virus can actually find a pathway into your body
[4:45:24] Speaker 1: and alter your DNA.
[4:45:26] Speaker 2: I'm gonna draw a crude picture real quick.
[4:45:30] Speaker 1: So, like, if this is a string of DNA, right
[4:45:32] Speaker 1: and we're looking at DNA, what we find is that
[4:45:36] Speaker 1: we'll have a DNA sequence that seems to match, you know,
[4:45:40] Speaker 1: the rest of what's in the genome, and then we'll
[4:45:42] Speaker 1: find these little snippets in the sequence that look out
[4:45:46] Speaker 1: of place, and they're they're spliced. We've got scars. But
[4:45:52] Speaker 1: where foreign DNA got into somebody's body and spliced itself
[4:45:57] Speaker 1: into DNA that's in the genome, right, And then this,
[4:46:01] Speaker 1: this is called it an endogenous retrovirus. Now what happens
[4:46:07] Speaker 1: is if this gets into your genome, then when you
[4:46:10] Speaker 1: have children, all of your children have it, and when
[4:46:13] Speaker 1: they have children, all of their children have it. Right.
[4:46:16] Speaker 1: So what we can do is we can track er
[4:46:19] Speaker 1: vs to see who comes from where and what comes
[4:46:23] Speaker 1: from what. And so what we find is that humans
[4:46:28] Speaker 1: in great apes share a high number of inductions. He
[4:46:33] Speaker 1: just left.
[4:46:37] Speaker 2: And so to do Gold, Well that was something. Okay,
[4:46:44] Speaker 2: do Gold's back.
[4:46:48] Speaker 3: But yeah, that keeps being weird on me.
[4:46:51] Speaker 1: It's okay here, keeps.
[4:46:53] Speaker 3: Rolling up to the next life. Even while I'm sitting.
[4:46:55] Speaker 1: Here, I've that mine was weird last night. Actually, well,
[4:47:00] Speaker 1: that's that's the end of the road. I've got to
[4:47:02] Speaker 1: read some super chats and get off and uh, me
[4:47:05] Speaker 1: and my son are probably gonna go have some fun
[4:47:06] Speaker 1: outside and do some people splashing in the water.
[4:47:10] Speaker 2: But thanks for joining me.
[4:47:12] Speaker 1: Do golf for anyone who not falloing Do Gold yet,
[4:47:15] Speaker 1: please make sure you drop a dougal and follow. He's
[4:47:16] Speaker 1: a great friend of mine. He's a very good contributing
[4:47:19] Speaker 1: member of the community. If you've been in the deconstruction
[4:47:23] Speaker 1: realm at all, you probably already know who do Gold is.
[4:47:25] Speaker 1: But if you don't drop him a follow, he's awesome.
[4:47:27] Speaker 1: When are you live next, buddy.
[4:47:29] Speaker 3: Tomorrow night or tomorrow afternoon? Four thirty Eastern. Okay, I'm
[4:47:34] Speaker 3: a politics tomorrow there fair tomorrow.
[4:47:37] Speaker 1: Politics are fun, right, let me grab some super chants.
[4:47:41] Speaker 1: I know it's it's hard to Yeah.
[4:47:45] Speaker 3: You can only get called the sler so many times
[4:47:47] Speaker 3: before you're just like, okay, I'm done tonight.
[4:47:54] Speaker 1: Design my friend says objective morals the teddy bear. He
[4:47:58] Speaker 1: can't prove it is right. People really want morals to
[4:48:01] Speaker 1: be objective because then they can point their finger and
[4:48:03] Speaker 1: say you're wrong objectively.
[4:48:06] Speaker 2: But listen, it's great that you want that. Can you
[4:48:09] Speaker 2: demonstrate that to be the case.
[4:48:10] Speaker 1: You can't do it.
[4:48:12] Speaker 2: Millennial Meg says, Okay, this was one hundred percent worth
[4:48:14] Speaker 2: sitting through.
[4:48:15] Speaker 1: Colby. I love when you get fired up. Thanks for
[4:48:18] Speaker 1: cooking all day much needed entertainment. Well, thank you so much,
[4:48:21] Speaker 1: Millennial Meg. I appreciate being here and supporting the stream,
[4:48:24] Speaker 1: and sometimes I get fired up. I gotta do better
[4:48:27] Speaker 1: job about keeping my cool because sometimes I get fired
[4:48:30] Speaker 1: up and people are you know, you know, they've been
[4:48:34] Speaker 1: relatively nice. I'm getting better, guys, I'm learning, I'm growing.
[4:48:36] Speaker 1: But thank you, Meg, and Nightman Cometh, says Linda Kundalini.
[4:48:41] Speaker 1: Was velmat in the Scooby Doo movie was a huge
[4:48:45] Speaker 1: crush of my when I was younger. Okay, so night Man, listen,
[4:48:48] Speaker 1: You're not the only one. I actually thought Velma was
[4:48:51] Speaker 1: the crushable one as well, not the Valley Girl. I
[4:48:55] Speaker 1: liked Velma than the book Nerd. That was my favorite.
[4:48:58] Speaker 3: So big w here's the thing, justin, like I should
[4:49:02] Speaker 3: call him? What was a snake in your spine? Basically
[4:49:04] Speaker 3: the Queendalini Yeah, left behind Pats of the Ananachy Like,
[4:49:08] Speaker 3: is this like a connection somewhere where they left to
[4:49:14] Speaker 3: watch overst.
[4:49:16] Speaker 1: The callers are crazy, like we've got insane people today,
[4:49:20] Speaker 1: like they need medicated.
[4:49:22] Speaker 3: Oh man, dump Texas.
[4:49:29] Speaker 1: Robin says, Happy Wednesday, Robin, Happy Wednesday to you.
[4:49:33] Speaker 2: Thanks for stopping by.
[4:49:34] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Also, Josh says God is the ultimate
[4:49:38] Speaker 1: thought stopper. I mean, yeah, for most of these these believers,
[4:49:43] Speaker 1: God is not a provable thing. It's a thought stopping cliche, right,
[4:49:47] Speaker 1: That's why all they have is cliches.
[4:49:50] Speaker 3: I agree with mac mac when he says that the
[4:49:52] Speaker 3: try on the property they've given him is just really
[4:49:55] Speaker 3: made it impossible.
[4:49:56] Speaker 1: I know, when I get people that don't subscribe to
[4:50:02] Speaker 1: all three omni properties, I'm like, Okay, cool, you're actually
[4:50:05] Speaker 1: sane because there's no reason to believe in the triomni God.
[4:50:07] Speaker 2: It's insanity.
[4:50:09] Speaker 3: Especially when those same people will tell me that hell
[4:50:11] Speaker 3: is separation from God. I'm like, but then he's not everywhere,
[4:50:16] Speaker 3: like yeah, And then they're like, well he limits him
[4:50:19] Speaker 3: self rest and I'm like, but that makes them not
[4:50:21] Speaker 3: all powerful.
[4:50:22] Speaker 1: They're not bright. Okay, cruciffix Me says, I'm bald. I
[4:50:30] Speaker 1: laugh at myself. Our bear's a threat. Well, here's the thing.
[4:50:34] Speaker 1: As long as you don't curse a bunch of little kids,
[4:50:37] Speaker 1: I think the kids are safe. Being that you're not
[4:50:40] Speaker 1: a prophet of yahweh. I think you're even extra safe.
[4:50:43] Speaker 1: I would say, be safe from the sun. That's your
[4:50:46] Speaker 1: real threat. Make sure the wear sunscreen. Don't get any
[4:50:49] Speaker 1: skin cancer on top of your dome. You don't want that.
[4:50:52] Speaker 1: So be safe out there. And remember God in the
[4:50:55] Speaker 1: Christian world view, created the sun, which you need for sustenance,
[4:50:59] Speaker 1: but will also give you skin cancer. It's one of
[4:51:02] Speaker 1: those weird things that makes God good.
[4:51:06] Speaker 3: Justin correct me. When they caught him bald, wasn't it
[4:51:09] Speaker 3: in reference to him being a priest of bald and
[4:51:11] Speaker 3: they have shaved heads, that's why they were making fun
[4:51:13] Speaker 3: of his baldness.
[4:51:15] Speaker 1: No, not that I'm aware of so it. In fact,
[4:51:19] Speaker 1: it says of the of the priests not to even
[4:51:23] Speaker 1: trim your sideburns, not just the priest, but the men.
[4:51:28] Speaker 1: Not to even trim your sideburns. It seems like trimming,
[4:51:31] Speaker 1: not trim your sideburns, but buzzing your head. It would
[4:51:34] Speaker 1: be an unnecessary thing. Now, there are occasions where if
[4:51:37] Speaker 1: you have like a particular defilement, or if you're caught
[4:51:41] Speaker 1: in prostitution, you can have your head shage, just like
[4:51:46] Speaker 1: if you're caught in war, like if you're a captive bride,
[4:51:48] Speaker 1: they shave your head.
[4:51:51] Speaker 3: At him being a priest of bald then.
[4:51:53] Speaker 1: Right, So, if if anyone was being shaved. It was
[4:51:56] Speaker 1: for cleansing, for ritual purity.
[4:52:00] Speaker 3: Gotcha.
[4:52:01] Speaker 1: So the priests wouldn't have been typically bald unless they
[4:52:05] Speaker 1: were ritually impure at some point.
[4:52:08] Speaker 3: Well, I mean, hey, priests are known for things.
[4:52:12] Speaker 1: Right, But that's an interesting take on I've not heard
[4:52:19] Speaker 1: that one. I don't think it makes the story any better, but.
[4:52:23] Speaker 3: It absolutely I was just curious because I had read that,
[4:52:26] Speaker 3: and I was just scarious if you'd heard that too.
[4:52:28] Speaker 2: No, that's actually a new argument for me. I haven't.
[4:52:31] Speaker 2: I haven't heard that.
[4:52:34] Speaker 1: So the shaving is, the shaving is typically in regards
[4:52:39] Speaker 1: to like skin diseases.
[4:52:43] Speaker 3: The cydeburn thing is that where the burg of day
[4:52:45] Speaker 3: isn't it? Does that evolve from that?
[4:52:47] Speaker 1: Well, in the in the law Code, it says do
[4:52:50] Speaker 1: not let a razor touch the hair on the side
[4:52:54] Speaker 1: of your head. Now, most modern burgers would say that, well,
[4:52:59] Speaker 1: this is a acts done in pagan worship. It didn't
[4:53:02] Speaker 1: mean that God wanted you to have long sideburns. But
[4:53:05] Speaker 1: in a lot of the the the Jewish circles, they
[4:53:09] Speaker 1: interpret it literally to well you got to go your hyburns.
[4:53:13] Speaker 3: So it did come from that. That's interesting, okay.
[4:53:15] Speaker 1: Right, right, Yeah, let me grab a couple more super
[4:53:19] Speaker 1: chants from Aruchi says, what I think is that om
[4:53:23] Speaker 1: is the idea that right and wrong exists factually without
[4:53:28] Speaker 1: any importance of opinion.
[4:53:30] Speaker 2: So it's the concept of some action.
[4:53:32] Speaker 1: I'm open. Yeah, so again, I'm open to an objective
[4:53:37] Speaker 1: moral argument as well. But what I know is that
[4:53:40] Speaker 1: morals don't come from God. They wouldn't even be objective
[4:53:43] Speaker 1: if they did. But yeah, you're I mean, I am
[4:53:46] Speaker 1: open to the objective moral argument if it if it
[4:53:48] Speaker 1: makes sense. And Pore says, a claiming to be God,
[4:53:52] Speaker 1: or that everyone can be or is God is the
[4:53:55] Speaker 1: embodomy of embodiment of ketamine and fetanol and meth and
[4:53:59] Speaker 1: fhetamine all on. And I think you're one hundred percent right.
[4:54:02] Speaker 1: And now that I've read that, I'm going to get
[4:54:04] Speaker 1: my live on TikTok had taken down. But don't worry,
[4:54:06] Speaker 1: we're ending the stream here just a minute. Thank you
[4:54:08] Speaker 1: for the super chat. You ever like bare knucklet like
[4:54:12] Speaker 1: oh shit, Sinner says, it's like back to the future.
[4:54:19] Speaker 2: You are my density.
[4:54:24] Speaker 3: Wait, the more dense you are, how do you go
[4:54:26] Speaker 3: higher up in dimensions? I think I.
[4:54:30] Speaker 1: Didn't want to get into it. But I mean if
[4:54:32] Speaker 1: you're more dense, if you're at a higher density level,
[4:54:35] Speaker 1: then yes, he would be lower.
[4:54:37] Speaker 2: I don't understand, Kat says.
[4:54:40] Speaker 1: Regarding blick Sky, Lord of the Rings had a better story.
[4:54:43] Speaker 1: Actually Lord of Rings did have a really good story,
[4:54:46] Speaker 1: but he was doing his best. He was really spitting
[4:54:48] Speaker 1: some stuff. And Bry says, are these people a fungus
[4:54:53] Speaker 1: among us? I need to be dugged for this conversation
[4:54:58] Speaker 1: you do in order to survive these convo as, you
[4:55:00] Speaker 1: literally need to have some steps and since because it's hard,
[4:55:04] Speaker 1: need to be stone dead? Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Bendover says,
[4:55:08] Speaker 1: how does increasing in density rise you up? Flat earthers
[4:55:12] Speaker 1: grasp that. Yeah, that's what we're saying. Gonna take you down,
[4:55:16] Speaker 1: not up? Uh, Tim says, breaking news, rapture happens. No
[4:55:23] Speaker 1: one disappears. Oh that's interesting. That's an interesting claim. Hmm.
[4:55:30] Speaker 1: I was hoping people would disappear.
[4:55:31] Speaker 3: We're going to be subjected to forever of them saying
[4:55:34] Speaker 3: Jesus is coming soon.
[4:55:36] Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that sucks.
[4:55:39] Speaker 2: Soon.
[4:55:40] Speaker 1: Have no meaning.
[4:55:40] Speaker 2: Remember, words have no meaning to Christians.
[4:55:43] Speaker 3: None whatsoever. Words don't mean words. As many times as
[4:55:45] Speaker 3: that's been my my live subject, and as many times
[4:55:49] Speaker 3: as I've said that, I need to just go ahead
[4:55:51] Speaker 3: and get a trademark to put it on a shirt.
[4:55:53] Speaker 1: Yeah. Words, I'm going to be putting one in the
[4:55:56] Speaker 1: app store or the merch store. So the merch store
[4:55:59] Speaker 1: down below a couple items. I keep trying to make
[4:56:03] Speaker 1: a piece of merch and they keep taking it down.
[4:56:06] Speaker 1: I've tried different variations, but they don't like the wording
[4:56:09] Speaker 1: of it. But it basically says, if you need a
[4:56:13] Speaker 1: book from a guy that thinks it's okay to own slave,
[4:56:16] Speaker 1: execute babies, commit genocide and other things to be moral,
[4:56:21] Speaker 1: then you're not a moral person. And I just wanted
[4:56:23] Speaker 1: to put that on like a coffee cup and some stickers,
[4:56:26] Speaker 1: And every time I make it, they're like, fuck, no,
[4:56:28] Speaker 1: you're not doing that. I'm like, why, why can't I
[4:56:31] Speaker 1: let me tell it.
[4:56:33] Speaker 3: You can even modernize it and say, if you are
[4:56:36] Speaker 3: claims to be a Christian and you are cheering on
[4:56:39] Speaker 3: feeding people to alligators, you're not really very Christian, are you?
[4:56:43] Speaker 1: I agree? I got a couple more super chests left, friends,
[4:56:47] Speaker 1: let me get through these here. Herbie says, I'm watching
[4:56:49] Speaker 1: on catching up and others may have already mentioned the
[4:56:53] Speaker 1: tim mentioned song, Thank you God. It's a fantastic song.
[4:56:57] Speaker 1: Please listen to it. I's like the fourth person for
[4:57:00] Speaker 1: the fifth person that brought it up. I'm shocked that
[4:57:04] Speaker 1: I haven't actually heard of it. I mean, soon as
[4:57:10] Speaker 1: this is over, I guess I'll listen to to mentioned Herbie.
[4:57:12] Speaker 1: Thank you for the suggestion. I'll give it a listen,
[4:57:14] Speaker 1: I promise. And Josh says Viking is valedictorian of his homeschool.
[4:57:22] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, by that, And Bider says the shroud argument
[4:57:31] Speaker 2: was a.
[4:57:32] Speaker 1: Pollen but.
[4:57:39] Speaker 3: Oh the pollen on the thing he was talking about.
[4:57:44] Speaker 1: It's a play on words, right, but I don't know
[4:57:46] Speaker 1: what it's play on. Sorry three two one, I'm not sorry, Bider, Yeah,
[4:57:50] Speaker 1: we missed it. Thank you for the supertend though, Keepsnak
[4:57:54] Speaker 1: says believers who call to cry about our methods or
[4:57:57] Speaker 1: your methods or morals should have some introspect, and in
[4:58:00] Speaker 1: the lack of evidence of their God, they avoid it
[4:58:03] Speaker 1: all costs.
[4:58:03] Speaker 2: Isn't that the crazy thing?
[4:58:04] Speaker 1: They'll call in to complain about my morals, but then
[4:58:07] Speaker 1: they won't lay down the argument for why I should
[4:58:10] Speaker 1: change my morals, Like, listen, if you don't like them,
[4:58:14] Speaker 1: give me the evidence that I need to have different morals,
[4:58:18] Speaker 1: like I'm not doing this because I like it. No
[4:58:20] Speaker 1: one likes having subjective morals like we would love to
[4:58:24] Speaker 1: be able to point our finger and say you're wrong
[4:58:26] Speaker 1: because of X.
[4:58:27] Speaker 2: We just don't have it.
[4:58:29] Speaker 3: Somebody explained the joke back in the chat. By the
[4:58:31] Speaker 3: way they're talking about the word appalling appalling.
[4:58:34] Speaker 1: Oh, callow, appalling, not appalling. I get it.
[4:58:39] Speaker 3: I get it.
[4:58:39] Speaker 2: A class to O class.
[4:58:41] Speaker 1: That's a tough one. Okay, fair enough, that's a decent one.
[4:58:44] Speaker 1: Crash says, these eighteen year old men aren't scared of hell.
[4:58:48] Speaker 1: They're only worried about mommy and daddy drowning them, kicking
[4:58:51] Speaker 1: them out, not playing their school, paying their school fees.
[4:58:54] Speaker 1: So Crash, this does bring up a good point. I've
[4:58:56] Speaker 1: known a few so called Christians in my coming of
[4:58:59] Speaker 1: age that were literally only there. They were still in
[4:59:02] Speaker 1: it because if they weren't, they wouldn't get what their
[4:59:05] Speaker 1: parents had to give them, right, and then they defect
[4:59:08] Speaker 1: as soon as they get out on their own. Marcus says,
[4:59:12] Speaker 1: for space time curvature caused by masses within space time,
[4:59:16] Speaker 1: what direction is the curve going if there's a fourth
[4:59:19] Speaker 1: spatial dimension that's way above my head, Marcus. I've seen
[4:59:24] Speaker 1: videos trying to explain spacetime in the fourth dimension, and
[4:59:29] Speaker 1: it typically comes down to them saying, well, it can't
[4:59:32] Speaker 1: be visualized like you have to.
[4:59:34] Speaker 2: It's a conceptualization. It's not a visualization. And if that's the.
[4:59:37] Speaker 1: Case, I'm not the I'm not the guy for it.
[4:59:39] Speaker 1: That's a doctor Blitz situation.
[4:59:41] Speaker 3: You might as well have asked me tra and a
[4:59:43] Speaker 3: tran be question, because I'm not.
[4:59:44] Speaker 1: I don't know, right, Yeah, I listen. I love a
[4:59:51] Speaker 1: good science or math question, but I have a limit.
[4:59:53] Speaker 1: You know, I'm the Bible guy, right, Sorry. Game a
[4:59:57] Speaker 1: Lot says, first we have Kundalini, now we have price consciousness,
[5:00:01] Speaker 1: more new age pseudoscience, quacks sir, that does the case.
[5:00:05] Speaker 1: This might be the most pseudoscience I've had in a
[5:00:07] Speaker 1: live stream in a while. And another Cunelini says, Cunolini
[5:00:12] Speaker 1: or rehab matrix. I'll stick with atheism. I mean, it's
[5:00:15] Speaker 1: sad that those are your choices, atheism or Cunolini, Like,
[5:00:19] Speaker 1: we don't have a lot of great choices. What's that?
[5:00:23] Speaker 3: What's still want to know what this matrix is.
[5:00:25] Speaker 2: I mean, no one seems to know.
[5:00:28] Speaker 1: It's obviously density, Case says, justin you don't understand the
[5:00:31] Speaker 1: government is planting synthetic, biological true aliens in our brain
[5:00:36] Speaker 1: stems to control our matrix consciousnesses. Obviously, Kay, I don't know.
[5:00:40] Speaker 1: I didn't think about that. They're in my brain stem.
[5:00:43] Speaker 8: It hurts, hurts.
[5:00:46] Speaker 1: That's why I get all these headaches. It's not from
[5:00:48] Speaker 1: yelling at idiots online. It's from the aliens. Call me,
[5:00:54] Speaker 1: says was guest referring to great Cloaka theory, a Kloaca theory. Probably,
[5:00:59] Speaker 1: if I have to guess, probably, I don't know for sure, though.
[5:01:02] Speaker 1: That's that's something that's a little bit beyond my learning.
[5:01:06] Speaker 1: And Jim and Jay says, is there a correlation between
[5:01:09] Speaker 1: matrix density and bullshit viscosity? What is the correlation between
[5:01:14] Speaker 1: religiosity and how hot someone's Christian girlfriend is?
[5:01:22] Speaker 2: These are real hard hitting questions.
[5:01:23] Speaker 1: We need to know the answer.
[5:01:26] Speaker 3: We need to write them down for when these people
[5:01:29] Speaker 3: come back up again.
[5:01:30] Speaker 1: That was good, Casper says, just found about you, found
[5:01:33] Speaker 1: out about you, and now I can't go a day
[5:01:35] Speaker 1: without your videos. You are a god send my friend. Well, Casper,
[5:01:38] Speaker 1: thank you so much for letting me know. It's very sweet,
[5:01:41] Speaker 1: and thank you so so much for watching and supporting
[5:01:44] Speaker 1: the stream. And sir, game a lot came in again,
[5:01:46] Speaker 1: says to God of the KJV sixteen eleven, what a joke. Well, listen,
[5:01:50] Speaker 1: you know what all'swell's and that ends well at He
[5:01:54] Speaker 1: came in pretty confident, but he actually left pretty kind.
[5:01:58] Speaker 1: I'll give him some credit. At the end of the conversation.
[5:02:01] Speaker 1: He seemed pretty settled in in kind.
[5:02:06] Speaker 3: The v's and vowels that get them. They think it's
[5:02:08] Speaker 3: more official that way.
[5:02:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds more gaudy, right yeah, And Asham says,
[5:02:15] Speaker 1: my density has propelled me to another dementia. I mean,
[5:02:22] Speaker 1: I think you nailed it. Actually, rendersays enjoying the day streams.
[5:02:26] Speaker 2: Keep up the good work.
[5:02:27] Speaker 1: Well, thank you, and we're going to be doing another
[5:02:29] Speaker 1: day stream. It looks like tomorrow most likely. Kind of
[5:02:32] Speaker 1: says the same words don't mean words. Excuse by THEUS
[5:02:35] Speaker 1: is the same excuse they do for Trump when he
[5:02:37] Speaker 1: grabbed them by blank or when he said he will
[5:02:40] Speaker 1: end the war on day one. Actually, you're so right.
[5:02:43] Speaker 1: Anytime someone says something that people don't like, you can
[5:02:46] Speaker 1: either own up to it, or you can just say
[5:02:48] Speaker 1: words don't mean words, and words don't mean words is
[5:02:52] Speaker 1: choice number one for most people.
[5:02:54] Speaker 3: All of it, all the time.
[5:02:55] Speaker 1: All right, last super check, I gotta go, friends, I'm late,
[5:02:58] Speaker 1: Ben Dova says, Nonstine Samp Collector has a great video
[5:03:01] Speaker 1: of Hoven debating Ham over Bible contradictions. It's animated and
[5:03:05] Speaker 1: the judge gives them both points worth a watch. I
[5:03:07] Speaker 1: forget I've seen that one from non Stamp Collector. It's
[5:03:10] Speaker 1: a really good one, and I love Nonstamp Collector. I'm
[5:03:13] Speaker 1: sure he has no idea who I'm as. He's probably
[5:03:15] Speaker 1: never seen my channel, but I'm gonna straight up plug
[5:03:18] Speaker 1: for non Stamp Collector because his channel's awesome.
[5:03:22] Speaker 2: That thing said, who's live right now? That we can
[5:03:24] Speaker 2: go raid?
[5:03:26] Speaker 3: I have no idea.
[5:03:27] Speaker 1: All right, guys, let me know in the comments who
[5:03:29] Speaker 1: we should go raid. Thank you so much for everyone
[5:03:31] Speaker 1: that was here that is a member and you're if
[5:03:34] Speaker 1: you want to subscribe on Patreon. I got a Patreon now.
[5:03:37] Speaker 1: Thank you for all the people who shared the live
[5:03:40] Speaker 1: that commented during the live. Thanks all the moderates are
[5:03:43] Speaker 1: here moderating the live. Thank you for all the super
[5:03:45] Speaker 1: chats and the support friends. It really does mean a lot.
[5:03:48] Speaker 1: It's the thing that keeps the channel going. You know,
[5:03:52] Speaker 1: I'd go longer if I could, but I've got to
[5:03:54] Speaker 1: end at five o'clock. Ian's live. Let's go rad Ian
[5:03:57] Speaker 1: right now. We're going to go raid on both YouTube
[5:04:01] Speaker 1: and TikTok. If you're on TikTok, you already know who
[5:04:03] Speaker 1: allegedly Ian is. If you're on YouTube, you might not
[5:04:07] Speaker 1: know who he is, but you'll know soon because his
[5:04:09] Speaker 1: channel's growing like crazy. So let me put them pull
[5:04:14] Speaker 1: them up real quick. So here's his channel. Allegedly Ian
[5:04:22] Speaker 1: he's debating right now. It's allegedly hyphen Ian is the channel.
[5:04:28] Speaker 1: It looks about about eight hundred people, seven hundred people
[5:04:30] Speaker 1: in there. I think we should be able to get
[5:04:33] Speaker 1: this thing way up over a thousand. Let' let's bump
[5:04:35] Speaker 1: it up over one thousand and get some people in
[5:04:38] Speaker 1: this stream. Let's get let's get Ian rock Hard for
[5:04:42] Speaker 1: dog guys. That's the screen name right there, allegedly hyphen Ian.
[5:04:49] Speaker 1: Allegedly hyphen Ian. Let's go ahead and raid this stream.
[5:04:54] Speaker 1: Let's get the stream bumping. I see seven hundred and
[5:04:56] Speaker 1: seventy six people. I'll be over there in just a minute.
[5:04:58] Speaker 1: Let's get this thing well over thousand friends, let's go
[5:05:01] Speaker 1: rate them. Thank you so much everyone for being here. Dogd,
[5:05:04] Speaker 1: thank you so much for hanging out with me, Buddy.
[5:05:06] Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me Buddy. I appreciate it.
[5:05:08] Speaker 2: Absolutely have a great one, guys, Love you all.

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