# 2025-6-20 LIVE DEBATE \[God is Imaginary\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 17 Sep 2025, 4 h 07 min.

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## Transcript

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[1:23] Speaker 1: the Destruction cheat Sheet. I think it's the best way
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[1:29] Speaker 1: started a new tab on it this week. If you
[1:31] Speaker 1: already have access, definitely go check it out. There's a
[1:33] Speaker 1: tab for other resurrected entities besides Jesus from history. So
[1:41] Speaker 1: I got three or four people on there now with
[1:44] Speaker 1: the ancient sources, So definitely definitely look forward to that.
[1:50] Speaker 1: And welcome in friends. Great to see you, all right.
[1:54] Speaker 1: We do have one guest in here already, so we'll
[1:57] Speaker 1: get our guests brought in. Thank you for the Handheartsley,
[2:04] Speaker 1: I appreciate that.
[2:05] Speaker 2: Good afternoon, Good afternoon, Good afternoon. What are you why?
[2:10] Speaker 1: Welcome in, Prophet, Prophet the Bible.
[2:15] Speaker 2: I'm a Christian.
[2:15] Speaker 3: I'm a Christian.
[2:16] Speaker 1: Okay, So you're okay, I'm.
[2:18] Speaker 2: A Christian in here. A thousand times I've cooked.
[2:23] Speaker 1: I've never heard of you, so that seems unlikely. So
[2:26] Speaker 1: a prophet, I assumirely s eighteen, then.
[2:30] Speaker 2: Yes i am. I'm over eighteen. I am a Christian,
[2:33] Speaker 2: a very lauded Christian, if you will, very respected in
[2:39] Speaker 2: the Christian community.
[2:41] Speaker 4: And I want yeah, because I know that the Bible
[2:45] Speaker 4: has about thirty thousand hyperd links and a very congruent story.
[2:52] Speaker 2: Amazing book, one of those I've written over over a millennia.
[3:00] Speaker 2: Fifteen hundred history, a fifteen hundred year history, eight hundred years,
[3:06] Speaker 2: the people, different people from different economic and social.
[3:10] Speaker 1: And ethnicity background.
[3:14] Speaker 2: I mean, it's just amazing, the hyperlinks and the congruence
[3:18] Speaker 2: and the confluence of information. Is a hyperlink is an
[3:25] Speaker 2: idea from a different topic, a different a different writer
[3:30] Speaker 2: linking it into a different another, different writers the same ideology.
[3:37] Speaker 1: Okay, So if an author from the New Testament mentions
[3:39] Speaker 1: the city Jerusalem, is that a hyperlink to the Old Testament.
[3:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, that is a fantastic point that that is the
[3:47] Speaker 2: same Jerusalem that we were talking about, unless we're talking
[3:50] Speaker 2: about the same Jerusalem in a prophetic sense, which is
[3:53] Speaker 2: still an interesting idea.
[3:55] Speaker 1: That yes or no question required so many words. Is
[3:58] Speaker 1: this yes or no? Do you can considered a hyperlink
[4:01] Speaker 1: when somebody in the New Testament mentions the city like
[4:03] Speaker 1: Jerusalem that happens to be in the.
[4:05] Speaker 3: Old Testament of course, of course.
[4:07] Speaker 1: Okay, So that to me is why your argument is nonsense.
[4:12] Speaker 1: Thank you for the galaxy, Parker. That's why your argument
[4:14] Speaker 1: is nonsense. Just because somebody mentioned a city that they
[4:18] Speaker 1: happen to live near, and people lived near hundreds of
[4:21] Speaker 1: years ago, doesn't mean that they're doing something significant. I
[4:24] Speaker 1: can talk about old cities here in the USA and
[4:28] Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that I'm doing anything significant. Sometimes cities
[4:31] Speaker 1: are around for a while.
[4:33] Speaker 3: I mean, that's fair.
[4:35] Speaker 2: I'm just saying that, at least you, I'm talking about
[4:38] Speaker 2: the consistency of idea and message. I don't think that
[4:41] Speaker 2: exists messaging an idea as incredibly consistent.
[4:48] Speaker 1: Not even what does what does the God of the
[4:51] Speaker 1: Old Testament say about the law that he gives? How
[4:53] Speaker 1: long should you follow the law?
[4:57] Speaker 2: He says? He says that nobody is going to happen
[5:00] Speaker 2: because you respect or do my law. That is very
[5:03] Speaker 2: consistent with the New Testaments.
[5:04] Speaker 1: Crazy that you didn't answer my question. My question is
[5:07] Speaker 1: how long? How long did he say to follow the
[5:09] Speaker 1: law for?
[5:11] Speaker 2: He said, he said to follow it when you're I
[5:16] Speaker 2: mean on earth.
[5:17] Speaker 1: For how long? Your life?
[5:20] Speaker 3: For? How long?
[5:21] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[5:21] Speaker 2: He told Israel to follow the law till well to
[5:26] Speaker 2: the end of time.
[5:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, forever okay, okay, So the law is not temporary,
[5:30] Speaker 1: it's permanent.
[5:33] Speaker 3: The essence of it. Yes, I'm not talking about the essence.
[5:36] Speaker 1: I'm talking about the law, like this code of conduct
[5:40] Speaker 1: that God's people have to obey. That law is in
[5:44] Speaker 1: effect forever.
[5:47] Speaker 2: It's not forever, because well it doesn't. It does say that.
[5:51] Speaker 1: It does say forever. Yeah, in the Hebrew Bible it
[5:54] Speaker 1: says it on multiple occasions. Right, So when you get
[5:57] Speaker 1: to the New Testament and you get this crazy guy
[5:59] Speaker 1: named Paul is saying, no, it's not actually forever, it's temporary.
[6:03] Speaker 1: It was the temporary school master. That's not congruent. And
[6:06] Speaker 1: that seems to be a pretty major theological issue.
[6:11] Speaker 2: Well, I I give you a new law, not like
[6:14] Speaker 2: not like the.
[6:14] Speaker 3: Old law, but a new law.
[6:16] Speaker 1: A new law would be different like.
[6:17] Speaker 2: Love, like not like love like the Old Testament, that
[6:21] Speaker 2: love like the New Testament.
[6:22] Speaker 3: Yeah, love.
[6:24] Speaker 1: A new law would be a problem. If he said
[6:26] Speaker 1: follow this law forever.
[6:30] Speaker 2: Exactly, don't put don't put your.
[6:32] Speaker 1: Then there, then they're not congruent. Yeah. So if the
[6:34] Speaker 1: lawgiver says follow this law forever, and then somebody later
[6:38] Speaker 1: comes and says, no, that law is not forever. One
[6:40] Speaker 1: of those two are wrong.
[6:43] Speaker 2: You see the idea of what the law is is
[6:47] Speaker 2: very consistent, right, and leave this song forever, because how
[6:52] Speaker 2: do you how do you express a law of the
[6:58] Speaker 2: the idea that stuff, that substratum of the law before
[7:02] Speaker 2: you tell what the law is. If the law is
[7:04] Speaker 2: based on love and you want a refreshed love for
[7:08] Speaker 2: every generation going on forwards, you tell them that, you
[7:12] Speaker 2: give them a new law, you give them a new
[7:16] Speaker 2: idea of what love is, because you still don't know
[7:19] Speaker 2: what love is even in the New Testament sense.
[7:22] Speaker 1: I agree, even in the New Testament, you have no
[7:24] Speaker 1: idea what love is because God is perfectly okay with
[7:27] Speaker 1: throwing people into hell fire for merely being sinful of
[7:32] Speaker 1: only one sin. So yeah, you're right. The Old Testament
[7:35] Speaker 1: and the New Testament has no idea what love is
[7:37] Speaker 1: all the way through. But now you're just gish galping
[7:40] Speaker 1: to a new topic. I'm talking about what to do
[7:43] Speaker 1: with the actual laws, because the Old Testament and Jesus
[7:46] Speaker 1: himself says that the laws are going to be in
[7:48] Speaker 1: effect until heaven and Earth pass away, And as far
[7:51] Speaker 1: as I can tell, heaven and Earth hasn't passed away.
[7:53] Speaker 2: Yet that's the thing, that's the thing that I want
[7:58] Speaker 2: to hone in on because the idea of that, the
[8:03] Speaker 2: fact that the love is the overarching I can't actually
[8:08] Speaker 2: forella what the law is. Well, I'm really because you
[8:12] Speaker 2: we need to go back to what culture is it?
[8:15] Speaker 1: Is it loving to own slaves?
[8:18] Speaker 2: We need to go back to what culture is to that?
[8:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know, is it loving to own slaves?
[8:26] Speaker 2: If you love your slave and if your slave loves you,
[8:29] Speaker 2: who are you to judge?
[8:30] Speaker 1: I'm asking is it loving to own slaves? All you
[8:33] Speaker 1: need is a yes or no?
[8:34] Speaker 2: Who are you to judge of the of the of
[8:37] Speaker 2: the slave?
[8:37] Speaker 1: And I'm not judging anything. I'm asking you is if
[8:41] Speaker 1: owning slave.
[8:42] Speaker 3: Loving, why are you against love?
[8:45] Speaker 1: I never I never said anything. I'm asking you a question.
[8:49] Speaker 1: Questions require answers, not new questions. Is owning a human
[8:54] Speaker 1: being as property loving?
[8:56] Speaker 3: Let me ask you a question. You're going to.
[8:58] Speaker 1: Answer my question? Does owning another human being? Can you
[9:02] Speaker 1: do that lovingly? Is it a loving thing to do?
[9:06] Speaker 2: Have you loved your wife?
[9:08] Speaker 3: You? Have you ever loved your wife?
[9:09] Speaker 1: Buddy? You're going to answer my question or I'll move
[9:12] Speaker 1: on to an actual adult that will does owning another
[9:15] Speaker 1: human being as property? Is that love? Is that loving?
[9:19] Speaker 1: It just requires you yes or no?
[9:21] Speaker 2: I love them to set them free, but if they
[9:23] Speaker 2: want to come back, let them.
[9:25] Speaker 1: I didn't say anything about setting them free or letting
[9:28] Speaker 1: them come back. I'm asking is it loving to own
[9:30] Speaker 1: another human being as property?
[9:34] Speaker 3: I love them so much.
[9:35] Speaker 1: That's not an answer to the question. It's a yes
[9:37] Speaker 1: or no.
[9:41] Speaker 3: Well, this is the thing. You want a pigeonhole this conversation.
[9:44] Speaker 1: It's not a pigeonhole. You want to run away from
[9:46] Speaker 1: easy questions because you're a coward. So just answer the question.
[9:50] Speaker 1: Is it loving to own another human being as property?
[9:54] Speaker 3: No?
[9:54] Speaker 2: I would set them free because I love them.
[9:56] Speaker 1: Oh okay, so it's not loving to own another person
[9:59] Speaker 1: as p properaty The loving thing to do would be
[10:02] Speaker 1: to let them go free. And why is that the
[10:03] Speaker 1: more loving thing to do?
[10:06] Speaker 3: What if they want to come back?
[10:07] Speaker 1: I didn't ask about that. I said, why is it
[10:09] Speaker 1: more loving to set them free?
[10:13] Speaker 2: Because because you want you don't want to. You don't
[10:19] Speaker 2: want to dictate how they should govern their loving identity.
[10:26] Speaker 1: Okay, So loving somebody entails that you give them the
[10:29] Speaker 1: freedom to have their own autonomy.
[10:33] Speaker 3: That's that's one part.
[10:35] Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, Now if I if I took somebody's autonomy
[10:39] Speaker 1: from them and didn't give them a choice, that would
[10:43] Speaker 1: not be loving. But that's what we call slavery. Like
[10:45] Speaker 1: when I own another human being, they no longer have
[10:48] Speaker 1: autonomy over their their life. They don't have the decision
[10:51] Speaker 1: to leave. They can't walk away. That's called slavery. The
[10:54] Speaker 1: God of the Bible endorses that kind of slavery.
[10:59] Speaker 2: What this is the thing about slavery is that you're
[11:02] Speaker 2: assuming that the slaves don't want to be in slaves.
[11:07] Speaker 1: I'm not assuming that I know that to be a fact.
[11:09] Speaker 1: That's why they kept running away. In fact, we've got
[11:11] Speaker 1: instances in the ancient Near East and in the Bible
[11:14] Speaker 1: of slaves continuously running away.
[11:18] Speaker 3: No, an a genuine question.
[11:20] Speaker 2: How give us an estimate or a percentage of how
[11:27] Speaker 2: what percentage of slaves would want to be set food?
[11:31] Speaker 1: How could I possibly know? But my guess is almost
[11:34] Speaker 1: all of them.
[11:36] Speaker 2: So you would say ninety nine point nine percent of slaves?
[11:40] Speaker 1: Do you think they want to be When the Israelites
[11:42] Speaker 1: were slaves in Egypt, that they wanted to be free?
[11:46] Speaker 3: Well, that's not that's I'm talking about slaves.
[11:49] Speaker 1: Now, now you don't like the question.
[11:52] Speaker 5: Soon as you have.
[11:53] Speaker 1: To answer the question, you don't actually like it. See
[11:55] Speaker 1: how billy it is to ask questions that required people
[11:58] Speaker 1: to read minds.
[12:00] Speaker 2: No, I'm talking about an actual slave master relationship within
[12:03] Speaker 2: the context of ancient Israel.
[12:06] Speaker 1: I know the context. God says you can own slaves,
[12:09] Speaker 1: and you can force people to do slave labor. You
[12:11] Speaker 1: can enforce entire towns, entire cities to be your slave
[12:14] Speaker 1: labor Deuteronomy chapter twenty.
[12:17] Speaker 2: Okay, then assume that that's Assume that we follow that
[12:20] Speaker 2: lot to a tea during that time.
[12:23] Speaker 1: And do you think that's loving?
[12:25] Speaker 3: No? Do you are you're assuming?
[12:27] Speaker 1: Okay, so I think you've you've kind of lost You've
[12:29] Speaker 1: kind of lost the plot here because you you started
[12:32] Speaker 1: by saying that the Bible is full of love and
[12:35] Speaker 1: teaches you how to be loving and all this stuff,
[12:37] Speaker 1: and now we keep finding these little pockets where it
[12:40] Speaker 1: seems like God is not a god of love. God
[12:43] Speaker 1: is a God who thinks that slavery and oppression is Okay,
[12:47] Speaker 1: So maybe maybe your book's are.
[12:48] Speaker 2: Really not all that love it because you're assuming that
[12:52] Speaker 2: every slave should.
[12:53] Speaker 1: Think like you, I certainly did make that assumption.
[12:57] Speaker 3: Well, you're you're.
[12:57] Speaker 2: Also making that's an assumption that slave hates their masters.
[13:02] Speaker 1: I didn't make that assumption either.
[13:04] Speaker 2: You're you're also assuming that I didn't make.
[13:07] Speaker 1: I didn't make any of these assumptions. These are assumptions
[13:10] Speaker 1: that you wish I made, because they're they're the assumptions
[13:13] Speaker 1: that you already like thought of talking points for. But
[13:15] Speaker 1: they're not assumptions. They're not assumptions that I made. There
[13:18] Speaker 1: are assumptions that you're placing on me. Now you agreed
[13:21] Speaker 1: with me. It wasn't an assumption. You agreed with me
[13:24] Speaker 1: that it's better to be free than to be a slave,
[13:27] Speaker 1: which means I'm not making any assumptions. I'm literally just
[13:30] Speaker 1: agreeing with you that, yeah, it's better to be free
[13:32] Speaker 1: than to be a slave. However, the God of the
[13:34] Speaker 1: book is perfectly okay with people owning slaves. In fact,
[13:37] Speaker 1: even children that are born into slavery. God is perfectly
[13:40] Speaker 1: okay with it. Do you think that like owning a
[13:43] Speaker 1: child as a slave and keeping them a slave for
[13:45] Speaker 1: life because they were born into it is a good thing.
[13:49] Speaker 3: Of course, that's a horrendous thing. But you're not.
[13:51] Speaker 1: Then why does God say you can do it?
[13:53] Speaker 2: You're assuming, you're assuming that that child. Okay, obviously the
[13:57] Speaker 2: child doesn't have consent. But if we're talking yeah, obviously child.
[14:03] Speaker 2: But if you're talking about like, let's say, like you know,
[14:06] Speaker 2: an eighteen year old slave, I'm not.
[14:09] Speaker 1: I'm talking about a child. Try to stand topic. A
[14:12] Speaker 1: child born into slavery, you said, is horrific. I agree.
[14:15] Speaker 1: I don't think children should be allowed to be born
[14:17] Speaker 1: into slavery because it's without their consent and they have
[14:20] Speaker 1: no FREEDO believe the God the book thinks that it's
[14:23] Speaker 1: okay to own children as slaves, which means the God
[14:26] Speaker 1: of the book is okay with this horrendous practice.
[14:30] Speaker 2: How do you say to a child that is born
[14:32] Speaker 2: a slave? Free, enlighten me.
[14:35] Speaker 1: You just let them go? Oh, you just let them
[14:38] Speaker 1: go to the same way we let the slaves go
[14:42] Speaker 1: after the Civil War, the same way. You just let
[14:45] Speaker 1: them go.
[14:46] Speaker 2: Okay, So how how do you do you want to
[14:49] Speaker 2: provide for their I don't know.
[14:51] Speaker 1: You just let them go, you say you can go.
[14:54] Speaker 3: Now, there's about.
[14:56] Speaker 1: One hundred ways you can let them go. You can
[14:59] Speaker 1: let them go with nothing. You can let them go
[15:01] Speaker 1: with money. You can let them go with money, food
[15:04] Speaker 1: and sustenance. You can let them go with their family,
[15:07] Speaker 1: you can let them go with a foreigner. You can
[15:09] Speaker 1: literally just let them go.
[15:12] Speaker 3: Okay, let's say I let them go. That child has
[15:15] Speaker 3: to be free.
[15:16] Speaker 2: I'm going to let him go, right, and I let
[15:19] Speaker 2: him go with nothing versus him staying with me.
[15:23] Speaker 3: Which one would you choose?
[15:25] Speaker 1: Let him go, let him go?
[15:29] Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, that's crazy, because God, God's.
[15:34] Speaker 1: Okay with it. God tells Abraham to cast Hagar and
[15:38] Speaker 1: Ishmael out into the desert, and they were fine.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Oh, well, that's before he told them to go to
[15:44] Speaker 2: go back because he doesn't have No that's after, that's after,
[15:49] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.
[15:50] Speaker 3: That's after. But first he told us to come back.
[15:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, and then and then he told him to let
[15:56] Speaker 1: him go out in the desert. That were sent out
[15:58] Speaker 1: into the desert, they nearly died of dehydration, and then
[16:03] Speaker 1: God set an angel and showed them where the water was.
[16:10] Speaker 1: So listen, there's no if God, if your God is real,
[16:14] Speaker 1: there shouldn't be a problem with just letting slaves go free.
[16:18] Speaker 1: God is going to take care of him. He's taking
[16:20] Speaker 1: care of the sparrow. He can take care of the
[16:23] Speaker 1: slaves set free.
[16:24] Speaker 3: He literally he literally what's called? What is it? What's
[16:29] Speaker 3: the actual place called?
[16:30] Speaker 2: She named a place after this God that let her
[16:33] Speaker 2: go and sustained to her along the way.
[16:36] Speaker 3: She literally named that place what is it called?
[16:40] Speaker 2: Because because that is how you let go, the way
[16:43] Speaker 2: you let go, his wife says, stating that child, that's
[16:46] Speaker 2: the point I'm trying to make.
[16:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree. Yeah. So they were let out in
[16:51] Speaker 1: the desert with no sustenance, and and God, God showed
[16:55] Speaker 1: them where the water was and they figured the rest out.
[17:00] Speaker 3: Well. Again, like there's two times that were there were
[17:03] Speaker 3: let go. The first time she was told to go back.
[17:05] Speaker 1: Buddy, we're not talking about the first time. Try to
[17:08] Speaker 1: stay on topic. We're talking about the second time. The
[17:11] Speaker 1: first time she ran away, she wasn't let go. The
[17:15] Speaker 1: second time exactly the second time she was sent away.
[17:19] Speaker 1: So focus up, pay attention.
[17:23] Speaker 2: Okay, then how about how about if the if the
[17:26] Speaker 2: god who sent her away sends her wants you to
[17:30] Speaker 2: send slaves the way according to that, according to the sustenance,
[17:35] Speaker 2: that'd be.
[17:35] Speaker 1: Great, then send them away. They'll be fine. So there's
[17:38] Speaker 1: there's a couple of problems with your there's a couple
[17:40] Speaker 1: of problems with your argument, which.
[17:42] Speaker 2: Is given with Exodus and Deuteronomy and the Vidicus.
[17:45] Speaker 1: There's a couple of problems with your argument, primarily that
[17:48] Speaker 1: the God of the Bible does send people away without
[17:51] Speaker 1: sustenance all the time. Secondly, you're Secondly, you're also assuming
[17:56] Speaker 1: that that's the only.
[17:58] Speaker 3: You literally defeated her own I literally did not.
[18:01] Speaker 1: So the second problem is that you're assuming the only
[18:06] Speaker 1: option is to just cast them out into the desert
[18:09] Speaker 1: with nothing, but not the only option. God could literally say, hey,
[18:13] Speaker 1: when your slave reaches the age of maturity, send them
[18:17] Speaker 1: with resources. The same thing he tells people in Deuteronomy
[18:21] Speaker 1: to do to your Hebrew servants. When they're done serving you,
[18:24] Speaker 1: send them away with a certain amount of money and sustenance.
[18:27] Speaker 1: Is this simple question the same thing he did to
[18:31] Speaker 1: the Israelites when they left Egypt. When they left Egypt,
[18:34] Speaker 1: he predisposed the Egyptians to give sustenance and resources and
[18:42] Speaker 1: property and whatnot or goods to the Israelites as they
[18:46] Speaker 1: were leaving. He could have done that, so the God
[18:49] Speaker 1: who's making the rules can easily just make the rules
[18:53] Speaker 1: so that it's good and not bad. He could say,
[18:55] Speaker 1: send these slaves away, they don't need to be slaves anymore,
[18:59] Speaker 1: and make sure you vibe for them.
[19:01] Speaker 3: She could have said it.
[19:01] Speaker 1: He didn't say it.
[19:05] Speaker 2: Isn't the same Isn't it the same God that provided
[19:09] Speaker 2: sustenance after she was let go, after she was sent away?
[19:13] Speaker 2: Isn't that same god, the one the god that gave
[19:16] Speaker 2: those loss.
[19:18] Speaker 1: Again, that's not, That's not in the story. You keep
[19:20] Speaker 1: adding to the story. God didn't provide anything for Hagar
[19:24] Speaker 1: and Ishmael once they got into the desert. Literally, the
[19:26] Speaker 1: only thing God did was say is that they their
[19:29] Speaker 1: eyes were opened and they saw where the water was,
[19:32] Speaker 1: where the well was. That's it. He didn't provide for them.
[19:37] Speaker 2: No, I'm just saying, like first time he sustained her
[19:40] Speaker 2: and told her to go back right.
[19:42] Speaker 1: No, the first time he literally did not. The first
[19:46] Speaker 1: time he met her in the desert and he sent
[19:48] Speaker 1: her back again. We're not talking about the time she
[19:51] Speaker 1: ran away. We're talking about when she was set free.
[19:55] Speaker 1: She was set free with her son in the desert.
[19:59] Speaker 1: And they thinkigured it out.
[20:02] Speaker 2: They didn't figure it out.
[20:04] Speaker 1: Yeah, they did figure it out. They literally grew into
[20:06] Speaker 1: an entire nation.
[20:09] Speaker 2: Well, because he sustained them for that moment, that's not
[20:12] Speaker 2: in the story.
[20:13] Speaker 1: Show me in the story where it says.
[20:15] Speaker 2: That he provided water for when he literally did not he.
[20:21] Speaker 1: All he did was showed her where the water was.
[20:23] Speaker 1: It was right in forever.
[20:26] Speaker 2: Well, that's the point we what that's that's the he
[20:29] Speaker 2: sustained them the same.
[20:32] Speaker 1: Didn't He didn't sustain them, He didn't provide anything for him.
[20:37] Speaker 2: She literally named she literally named the place the God
[20:40] Speaker 2: that provides wrong.
[20:41] Speaker 1: Wrong again.
[20:42] Speaker 2: Well, God, the God that sees, the God that sees correct.
[20:47] Speaker 1: And that was when she ran away, not when she
[20:51] Speaker 1: was set free. You keep confusing the two stories because
[20:54] Speaker 1: you don't actually know your book. In the second point
[20:57] Speaker 1: in the second in the second in the second story,
[21:01] Speaker 1: she gets sent out into the desert with her son Ishmaeil.
[21:04] Speaker 1: They nearly die out there, and then God shows up
[21:07] Speaker 1: and opens her eyes so that she can see where
[21:11] Speaker 1: the water is, because the water was there the whole time.
[21:13] Speaker 1: That's it. He didn't give her any food, didn't give
[21:15] Speaker 1: her any bread, none of that nonsense. Now, sure you
[21:18] Speaker 1: can make an inference to say that God wasn't gonna
[21:21] Speaker 1: let her die. Sure, But again, anything beyond that is
[21:25] Speaker 1: you just adding to the story. But it's all kind
[21:27] Speaker 1: of silly because none of it actually gets to the point,
[21:30] Speaker 1: which is it's better if you're a slave to just
[21:33] Speaker 1: be set free. So you're doing all these jumping jacks,
[21:37] Speaker 1: all these cartwheels for nothing. None of it fixes the problem,
[21:41] Speaker 1: which is that your book completely endorses slavery. It's totally
[21:45] Speaker 1: okay with slavery, and it didn't have to. It could
[21:48] Speaker 1: have literally said, let them serve for a period of
[21:51] Speaker 1: six years and then go free in the seventh The
[21:53] Speaker 1: Code of Hammy Robbie did they served for three years
[21:56] Speaker 1: and went free in the fourth year. The male Hebrew
[21:59] Speaker 1: Israelites did that. They served for a period of six years,
[22:02] Speaker 1: went free in the seventh year. It could have said
[22:04] Speaker 1: that about everything body. It could have said, do it
[22:06] Speaker 1: for the foreigners, do it for the women. Didn't say that,
[22:09] Speaker 1: So all this talking is nonsensical.
[22:15] Speaker 3: Okay.
[22:16] Speaker 2: What I'm saying is the way you set them free,
[22:18] Speaker 2: as inferred by Genesis. That's all the way.
[22:21] Speaker 1: It's not all that.
[22:23] Speaker 2: We just agreed that he made her see that there
[22:28] Speaker 2: was water, and.
[22:29] Speaker 1: He opened her eyes and you're missing the entire point.
[22:32] Speaker 1: The entire point is the slaves that the Israels own.
[22:36] Speaker 1: First of all, they didn't have to own them. That
[22:39] Speaker 1: didn't need to happen in the first place. Second place,
[22:43] Speaker 1: exactly second place, even if they did own slaves, there's
[22:46] Speaker 1: nothing wrong with letting him go free.
[22:51] Speaker 2: Of course, because you're missing the whole When when that
[22:55] Speaker 2: law was given, it was given along Genesis. It was
[22:58] Speaker 2: given a long it is right, It was given along
[23:02] Speaker 2: the whole storyline.
[23:04] Speaker 1: It was God.
[23:06] Speaker 2: It was given.
[23:07] Speaker 3: You weren't just given the law.
[23:09] Speaker 1: The law was not into The law was not in
[23:11] Speaker 1: effect during the period of the Genesis, so the law
[23:15] Speaker 1: was not into effect. The law was not in effect
[23:18] Speaker 1: until Moses led the Israelites into the desert, and then
[23:21] Speaker 1: God gave the laws.
[23:22] Speaker 2: I'm talking about. When that law was given, it was
[23:25] Speaker 2: given along Genesis.
[23:27] Speaker 1: It was not I think, I think your your biggest
[23:31] Speaker 1: hurdle here is using words properly.
[23:34] Speaker 2: No, it was given along the book Genesis. It was
[23:38] Speaker 2: they knew, they knew how to treat slaves, because they.
[23:42] Speaker 1: Did they beat their Again, do you think beating do
[23:50] Speaker 1: you think beatings? Do you think beating slaves is okay?
[23:55] Speaker 2: No, it's well.
[23:59] Speaker 6: Not.
[24:00] Speaker 2: I would say ninety nine percent at the time it's
[24:03] Speaker 2: wrong to beat your slaves.
[24:04] Speaker 1: Okay, So ninety nine percent of the time is wrong.
[24:07] Speaker 1: The one percent of the time it's right. But God
[24:10] Speaker 1: doesn't make any distinction. God just says, when you beat
[24:13] Speaker 1: your slave, make sure you don't execute him. Right. When
[24:16] Speaker 1: a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with
[24:19] Speaker 1: a rod and the slave is unalived immediately, the owner
[24:23] Speaker 1: shall be punished. But if the slave survives for a
[24:25] Speaker 1: day or two. I don't know why. I don't know
[24:28] Speaker 1: why you keep talking over me reading the book to you.
[24:30] Speaker 1: It's crazy. When a slave owner strikes a male or
[24:33] Speaker 1: female slave with a rod and the slave dies immediately,
[24:36] Speaker 1: the slave owner shall be punished, But if the slave
[24:39] Speaker 1: survives for a day or two, there's no punishment for
[24:41] Speaker 1: the slave is the owner's property. So God makes no
[24:44] Speaker 1: distinction over when you can or cannot beat your slave.
[24:48] Speaker 1: He just says, if you do beat your slave, make
[24:51] Speaker 1: sure you don't kill them.
[24:53] Speaker 2: Let's say your butler steals your barket, what are you
[24:57] Speaker 2: going to do?
[24:58] Speaker 1: I'm certainly not going to beat them. Also, also, are
[25:03] Speaker 1: you are you aware that butlers and slaves aren't the same.
[25:08] Speaker 2: I mean they I don't know, like you say this
[25:11] Speaker 2: that's irrelevant.
[25:13] Speaker 1: Do you think do you think a butler is a
[25:15] Speaker 1: slave or a job?
[25:18] Speaker 3: I mean it definitely used.
[25:21] Speaker 1: Have you have you never watched like the Fresh Prince
[25:23] Speaker 1: of Belair?
[25:26] Speaker 2: I mean, if your butler steals your broken you can
[25:29] Speaker 2: beat the ship out of it.
[25:31] Speaker 1: So you you'd be okay with beating even your workers.
[25:37] Speaker 3: I'm just saying this is this is why you're walking.
[25:42] Speaker 1: This is why you're a red flag. Your religion is
[25:44] Speaker 1: red flags, your book is red flags. Because you think
[25:47] Speaker 1: it's okay, because because you think it's okay to beat
[25:53] Speaker 1: people with rods. That's what you think. Now. I don't
[25:57] Speaker 1: know about you, but like the places where I worked,
[26:01] Speaker 1: you don't get to beat your employees for stepping out
[26:03] Speaker 1: of line. There's lots of ways you can deal with it.
[26:06] Speaker 1: You can find them, you can take them to court
[26:09] Speaker 1: over it. You can fire them. You can just say
[26:11] Speaker 1: you're no longer employed here anymore and you're gone. You
[26:14] Speaker 1: can take take it out of their wages. You can say, listen,
[26:17] Speaker 1: you're still employed here, but I'm going to garnish your
[26:19] Speaker 1: wages until it's all paid back. There's lots of ways
[26:22] Speaker 1: to deal with theft. You shouldn't have to beat them.
[26:25] Speaker 1: See what you're doing is you're demonstrating the entire time
[26:29] Speaker 1: that you're just as vile as your book is, which
[26:32] Speaker 1: is why disciplined, which is why you're just as bad
[26:36] Speaker 1: as the book.
[26:37] Speaker 3: And I knew you find employees, why did you do it?
[26:41] Speaker 1: And I knew that you would be this vile when
[26:43] Speaker 1: you came up here because of the way you entered
[26:45] Speaker 1: the stage. You entered the stage with a lie that
[26:49] Speaker 1: you've talked to me with another lie stating that somehow
[26:51] Speaker 1: you cooked me or some nonsense like that. And now
[26:54] Speaker 1: you've spent I don't know what the last twenty minutes,
[26:57] Speaker 1: twenty five minutes talking nonsense. We finally got to the
[27:00] Speaker 1: point where you've admitted that you're a vile pos and
[27:04] Speaker 1: you're willing to literally beat your employees with the rods.
[27:08] Speaker 1: So I think I think that's all we need to
[27:11] Speaker 1: know about you. I'm going to move on to the
[27:13] Speaker 1: next guests and see what kind of see what kind
[27:17] Speaker 1: of vile nonsense they've got in the store. But thanks
[27:20] Speaker 1: for letting your true colors show. We appreciate that Okay,
[27:25] Speaker 1: well off to a strong start. Friends, abscribe some super chat.
[27:28] Speaker 1: Saint Brush is obscure New Testament apocrypha lingered in Christian
[27:33] Speaker 1: communities long enough to influence things like Dante and Milton,
[27:36] Speaker 1: and I find it cool. One story is Sentinel or
[27:40] Speaker 1: Satan l poisoning the Eden tree, which is badass. Yeah, well,
[27:46] Speaker 1: thank you for the ten sixty sixth Saint Brush. And
[27:48] Speaker 1: you're right. In fact, if you look a lot of
[27:51] Speaker 1: the medieval and Renaissance art from the Church, a lot
[27:55] Speaker 1: of it is actually of stories that show up in
[27:57] Speaker 1: the apocrypha. A lot of people think that all the
[28:01] Speaker 1: early art and medieval art and whatnot was biblical. It's
[28:03] Speaker 1: not a lot of it's an apocryphal. Spencer says, the
[28:06] Speaker 1: Bible certainly is incredibly consistent. Yeah, it certainly is not.
[28:13] Speaker 1: Not even clothes. We'll cover some of that today, and
[28:15] Speaker 1: Design says, fun fact, how do you know they want
[28:18] Speaker 1: to be free? Is the first line of a fugitive
[28:21] Speaker 1: slave law. That's the craziest thing is when your argument
[28:28] Speaker 1: starts with how do you know the slaves would even
[28:30] Speaker 1: want to be free? Okay, well, you'd never know because
[28:35] Speaker 1: they didn't have the opportunity to fucking go free. But
[28:38] Speaker 1: as soon as we let them go free, you know
[28:40] Speaker 1: what they all did, They went free. I think that
[28:42] Speaker 1: tells you all you need to know. Design thank you
[28:45] Speaker 1: again for the five hour supertest, says, Never have I
[28:47] Speaker 1: seen someone so desperate to go to heaven full of slavers.
[28:50] Speaker 1: I know, I know, I'll never understand it, Like the
[28:55] Speaker 1: heaven of the Bible must be full of slave owners
[28:58] Speaker 1: and I don't want anything to do with that. Have
[29:00] Speaker 1: him Marcus Frank good to see it this morning, says,
[29:05] Speaker 1: how warped does your mind have to be that you're
[29:08] Speaker 1: arguing from the standpoint that you should only have a slave,
[29:11] Speaker 1: but that you should beat them. Yeah, yeah, you should
[29:13] Speaker 1: not only have a slave, but you should beat them.
[29:16] Speaker 1: That's what we keeps saying, Like normal people will defend
[29:19] Speaker 1: the most horrific stuff up here because it's in their book.
[29:22] Speaker 1: They have to, they have to do the gymnastics. They
[29:24] Speaker 1: don't have a choice. They either deconvert or they defend
[29:28] Speaker 1: the nonsense. Haunted Sky, thank you for the ten dollars
[29:32] Speaker 1: super Jest says, those whom you can get to believe absurdities,
[29:35] Speaker 1: the absurdities you can get to commit atrocities, Voltaire, that's
[29:40] Speaker 1: a common phrase in these debate spaces, and we're with
[29:45] Speaker 1: you a million and ten percent. Once you could get
[29:48] Speaker 1: people to believe in magic, there's nothing you can't convince
[29:51] Speaker 1: them of. Soon as their magic sky phrase says, it's
[29:54] Speaker 1: okay to hurt people, guess what they're going to be doing.
[29:57] Speaker 1: And Silver Surfer good to see a friend, Thank you
[29:59] Speaker 1: for the four nine big w friend. And Meg's good
[30:03] Speaker 1: to see you as well, says selfishly, donating so that
[30:05] Speaker 1: Justin can quit his job to create more content. I
[30:08] Speaker 1: can't get enough of the lives praises. Well, that brings
[30:10] Speaker 1: me probably to I don't know how many people are here,
[30:13] Speaker 1: but it might be a good time for an announcement.
[30:15] Speaker 1: I'm adding I'm going to be adding this coming week.
[30:22] Speaker 1: My summer schedule is still like this, you know, because
[30:25] Speaker 1: it kind of depends on where my son is, but
[30:27] Speaker 1: I'm going to be adding new streams to my schedule.
[30:32] Speaker 1: I'm still going to be streaming when my full time
[30:35] Speaker 1: schedule commences. I'm still going to be streaming on Wednesday night,
[30:40] Speaker 1: Friday night, and most Sunday nights, but I'm going to
[30:43] Speaker 1: add in on Tuesday and Thursday, I'm going to be
[30:46] Speaker 1: adding in daytime streams like what we're doing today, so
[30:50] Speaker 1: basically be streaming five times a week. So it's going
[30:53] Speaker 1: to be awesome. And the other news is I can
[30:57] Speaker 1: only do that because of great support, like from friends
[31:00] Speaker 1: like you who are supporting the channel. Because today it
[31:05] Speaker 1: was my last day at my current place of employment.
[31:09] Speaker 1: So I'm going to be cranking the dial up to
[31:12] Speaker 1: eleven and we're going to be cooking all the time.
[31:16] Speaker 1: We're going to be cooking with pro pain. We're going
[31:19] Speaker 1: to make Hank Hill proud. All right, let's see brain,
[31:26] Speaker 1: thank you for the supergen says, is there any reliable
[31:29] Speaker 1: historical documents in the Bible such as Gospels, Pauseletter or
[31:32] Speaker 1: the Dead Sea scrolls from Brianna. So that's a fair question.
[31:38] Speaker 1: I don't know what reliable means though, right, But if
[31:41] Speaker 1: you want to say, okay, what parts of the Bible
[31:43] Speaker 1: are the most historical? Typically the most historical portions I
[31:49] Speaker 1: would say is like what we find in the Book
[31:51] Speaker 1: of Kings. I think Kings is highly historical. Obviously it's
[31:55] Speaker 1: from a very skewed point of view, but it's same
[32:00] Speaker 1: thing with all ancient literature. Like if you read the
[32:02] Speaker 1: Babylonian Chronicles and they talk about how they went to
[32:05] Speaker 1: war with the Israelites and whatnot. Their point of view
[32:09] Speaker 1: is skewed as well, like they're saying the same type
[32:11] Speaker 1: of crazy stuff. So I do think that those books
[32:15] Speaker 1: are attempting to tell history reliably. Now, if you're talking
[32:20] Speaker 1: to me about reliable, like what texts are the most
[32:22] Speaker 1: consistent from the earliest text of the later texts, those
[32:26] Speaker 1: would probably be the New Testament texts. The text of
[32:29] Speaker 1: the New Testament, like the Letters of Paul, are pretty
[32:32] Speaker 1: stable over time. So that's where I would go in
[32:36] Speaker 1: terms of reliability in that particular direction. But is it true,
[32:39] Speaker 1: Like is the stuff in the book actually true? Of
[32:41] Speaker 1: course not, and Ecta says, ending up at the point
[32:45] Speaker 1: where one is trying to come up with a special
[32:47] Speaker 1: slavery scenario to gotcha, one's debate opponent should probably give pause.
[32:52] Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy that you're getting so buried on the
[32:56] Speaker 1: slavery topic that now you're trying to make up magical
[32:59] Speaker 1: scenarios for a Goda And b Boop says, holy cow,
[33:02] Speaker 1: this guy's a clown. Praise Doug. I'm with you, Bee
[33:04] Speaker 1: Boop And thank you so much for the one ninety
[33:08] Speaker 1: nine super chat. And mister was with us, thank you
[33:10] Speaker 1: so much, says why did God build humans with tailbones?
[33:14] Speaker 1: Isn't that crazy that the God designed us with all
[33:17] Speaker 1: these vestigial organs, all these vestigital pieces of DNA. It
[33:23] Speaker 1: seems more parsimonious with evolution than creation, if I had
[33:27] Speaker 1: to be quite honest. And Kohoto, thank you so much
[33:30] Speaker 1: for the twenty dollars super chat, says I heard a
[33:32] Speaker 1: wise teacher was giving out free bread and fish, but
[33:36] Speaker 1: when I went to see him, it turned out he
[33:38] Speaker 1: was just saying things were really new while everybody shared
[33:42] Speaker 1: what they had, never using the Bible to meal plan
[33:45] Speaker 1: against Bible to meal planning. Yeah, I see what you
[33:50] Speaker 1: did there, Cohotoh, I appreciate that. But you know what,
[33:54] Speaker 1: that brings up an interesting memory when we're talking about
[33:57] Speaker 1: crazy believers, because I knew a guy in ministry who
[34:02] Speaker 1: actually had this story that he would peddle because he
[34:05] Speaker 1: would travel around and preach other people's churches for money.
[34:09] Speaker 1: He would literally tell people that he was at a
[34:10] Speaker 1: Bible study once and they didn't bring enough food. You know,
[34:15] Speaker 1: only one person brought a castle role and then they
[34:18] Speaker 1: they prayed and God multiplied the castle role, and everybody
[34:22] Speaker 1: at the Bible study was able to eat till they
[34:24] Speaker 1: were full on one castrole dish. These people are literally insane.
[34:29] Speaker 1: It's crazy that God would multiply your cast role, but
[34:31] Speaker 1: he wouldn't heal that little baby dying from cancer. A
[34:34] Speaker 1: curious thing. Thomas says, Happy Midsummer Eve to everyone from
[34:40] Speaker 1: viewers in North Sweden. Well, Thomas or Thomas, thank you
[34:43] Speaker 1: so much for saying hello from Sweden, and definitely happy Midsummer.
[34:47] Speaker 1: We're getting close. I think tomorrow is tomorrow the summer solstice.
[34:52] Speaker 1: Halla Furfey, thank you so much friend for sending out
[34:58] Speaker 1: twenty DZ membership. The memberships are the backbone of the channel.
[35:02] Speaker 1: Just in case anyone didn't know it, The memberships on
[35:06] Speaker 1: this channel is what allows me to go live as
[35:09] Speaker 1: much as possible. Memberships and I love the participation with
[35:16] Speaker 1: the super chat. You guys can join in the conversation
[35:18] Speaker 1: and I love that. And Freemason Pilot says, I love
[35:21] Speaker 1: your stream. I come from a Christian family, but my
[35:23] Speaker 1: dad is a narcissist. Can I join and share my
[35:26] Speaker 1: story and get your feedback? Well, Freemason. We're not doing
[35:29] Speaker 1: stories today, We're only doing debates, but I do typically
[35:33] Speaker 1: when I have more time in my schedule, I do
[35:35] Speaker 1: do like a Q and A. Also, I'd love to
[35:39] Speaker 1: hear your story actually get into the discord and DM
[35:44] Speaker 1: me because here in the future I'm going to be
[35:48] Speaker 1: doing more interviews with people who left, like high control
[35:51] Speaker 1: cults and whatnot. So would definitely love to hear more
[35:55] Speaker 1: about your story. And Gizzards is with us. Good to
[35:57] Speaker 1: see Gizzards says, if a slave wanted to come back,
[36:00] Speaker 1: that's not slavery, that's called a job. The caller's line
[36:03] Speaker 1: of reasoning was nonsensical. Listen, Gizzard, thank you for the
[36:06] Speaker 1: super chat.
[36:06] Speaker 3: But you're right.
[36:07] Speaker 1: He was all over the place. That kid had no
[36:09] Speaker 1: idea what he was doing. He didn't even know where
[36:11] Speaker 1: he was. He was so concussed. He was in the
[36:13] Speaker 1: wrong room. He was making up scenarios that had nothing
[36:16] Speaker 1: to do with slavery. And Mark Duke want good to
[36:19] Speaker 1: see you, my friend. Thank you so much for the
[36:20] Speaker 1: ninety nine superchest says, I read the chapter in the
[36:22] Speaker 1: Book of Enoch with the portals in the firmament. You
[36:26] Speaker 1: were talking, You've talked about It's a great chapter, he says, Man,
[36:29] Speaker 1: it was hilarious. It just goes to show show you
[36:31] Speaker 1: how primitive those people were. So for those who don't know,
[36:34] Speaker 1: I've mentioned it before, and Mark Duke has mentioned it.
[36:37] Speaker 1: In the Book of Enoch, he tries to solve the
[36:39] Speaker 1: riddle of how the sun goes around the flat Earth
[36:42] Speaker 1: even though there's a firmament over it, and he envisions
[36:45] Speaker 1: windows at the base of the firmament that the sun
[36:48] Speaker 1: goes through. He describes the orbit and everything. Guys, you
[36:51] Speaker 1: gotta read the Book of Enoch. It's why I'm and Carlos,
[36:55] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the twenty dollars twenty DZ memberships.
[36:59] Speaker 1: I super pre that, Carlos, big big w great to
[37:02] Speaker 1: see a friend always here support in the stream and
[37:05] Speaker 1: the Nightman cometh. Good to see you as well, my friend.
[37:08] Speaker 1: Thank you for the twenty hour Superchet says, hell yeah,
[37:09] Speaker 1: it's barbecause time we're cooking on charcoal or that sweet
[37:13] Speaker 1: sweet pro pain. Listen, we're doing pro Pain today. We
[37:16] Speaker 1: are cooking with the pro Pain today. And with that,
[37:20] Speaker 1: let me grab our I'm gonna grab one more super
[37:22] Speaker 1: chest and then we'll grab our next guest we got
[37:25] Speaker 1: a nine ninety nine dollars super chat. Thank you so much.
[37:29] Speaker 1: Friend from Antoine says, congrats on leaving your job and
[37:32] Speaker 1: becoming a full time chef or cook. Well, thank you
[37:36] Speaker 1: so much for supporting the channel. It's only because I've
[37:38] Speaker 1: got awesome supporters like you guys that allows me to
[37:41] Speaker 1: do it. But I'm I'm not taking I'm not gonna
[37:45] Speaker 1: be resting on my laurels. That's not what's going to happen.
[37:47] Speaker 1: I'm cranking the dial up to eleven and listen, we
[37:51] Speaker 1: are going to be cooking on the hottest pro Paine
[37:54] Speaker 1: stove you've ever seen. That's what's gonna happen. All right,
[37:57] Speaker 1: let me grab our next guest in here. We should
[38:00] Speaker 1: have with us the battle. How you doing battle? Hold
[38:06] Speaker 1: on one second? Sorry, all right, we should be to
[38:09] Speaker 1: here you now, go ahead, do you hear me?
[38:11] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[38:11] Speaker 1: We're good now? Yeah?
[38:14] Speaker 3: All right?
[38:14] Speaker 1: So so battle?
[38:16] Speaker 3: Are you asking the questions?
[38:18] Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you at least eighteen? And are you a believer?
[38:22] Speaker 3: And eighteen?
[38:22] Speaker 5: I am the believer? Had been on the floor.
[38:25] Speaker 1: Oh so you've been here? Okay? What were you using
[38:27] Speaker 1: the same name?
[38:29] Speaker 3: No?
[38:29] Speaker 1: Oh, what was your name last time? Creed oh, Creed. Yeah,
[38:34] Speaker 1: I do remember talking to a Creed, but I don't
[38:35] Speaker 1: really remember the full conversation. Also, thank you for the stars. So, Creed,
[38:44] Speaker 1: what's on your mind today? Did you want to did
[38:47] Speaker 1: you want to circle around what we discussed last time?
[38:49] Speaker 1: Or is this a new issue here?
[38:52] Speaker 3: Well?
[38:52] Speaker 5: I kind of think, I kind of think, and they
[38:53] Speaker 5: actually have you like, can they be able to debunk this?
[38:56] Speaker 1: Debunk?
[38:56] Speaker 5: What are you like take a like I say, a
[39:01] Speaker 5: sixteenth Okay, yeah, you heard the book called the it's
[39:04] Speaker 5: not in the traditional Christian canon that you know the
[39:06] Speaker 5: Wisdom of Solomon. Yeah, it taught him that like the
[39:10] Speaker 5: Son of God in there being like hated for rich righteousness.
[39:13] Speaker 1: You're talking about the Wisdom of Solomon chapter two. Yes,
[39:17] Speaker 1: it doesn't, it doesn't. It's talking about how the Jewish
[39:20] Speaker 1: people are treated by the wicked non Jews. The righteous
[39:24] Speaker 1: person in Wisdom chapter two is just the Jews, a
[39:29] Speaker 1: Jewish person.
[39:31] Speaker 5: But Trent Horn said that it was out Jesus.
[39:33] Speaker 1: Well I disagree with chant Horn. Oh I'm sorry, what's
[39:37] Speaker 1: why I care what chent Horn says?
[39:40] Speaker 5: Well, it just seemed convincing to me that like it
[39:43] Speaker 5: sounded it said, son of God it talks about someone
[39:45] Speaker 5: being hated for the righteousness.
[39:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, and and who are the Jews.
[39:51] Speaker 3: Sons of God?
[39:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, they're the son of God.
[39:53] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[39:54] Speaker 1: Exodus chapter four, verse though, was it four twenty two? Yeah?
[39:58] Speaker 3: I think so. Yeah, So you don't see that a prophecy.
[40:02] Speaker 1: No, No, first of all, it's not a prophecy. That's
[40:06] Speaker 1: the first. The first problem is that again people are
[40:10] Speaker 1: attributing things that just sound like Jesus. They're calling it
[40:14] Speaker 1: a prophecy because it sounds like Jesus, but it's not
[40:16] Speaker 1: actually a prophecy.
[40:18] Speaker 5: That like, there are arthroscies that did come through in
[40:20] Speaker 5: the Bible, like when you say, like le say like
[40:22] Speaker 5: like Cyrus, like you know, it's talk about Cyrus and
[40:25] Speaker 5: Isaiah because it was free because.
[40:27] Speaker 1: Second Isaiah was written when Cyrus was marching westward and
[40:31] Speaker 1: conquering everybody.
[40:33] Speaker 5: So about Josephus who wrote about how they gave him
[40:35] Speaker 5: the scroll and any of them, go, so what I
[40:40] Speaker 5: know that, like you said that the scroll talked about
[40:42] Speaker 5: Cyrus the great frame them any of freedom.
[40:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, the Bible did talk about Cyrus foring the Israelites
[40:51] Speaker 1: because it was written when that was happening. Oh right,
[40:58] Speaker 1: so we don't have any Hebrew texts that predate Cyrus,
[41:03] Speaker 1: not a single one, not single one through date Cyrus.
[41:08] Speaker 1: The only thing that comes close is a little snippet
[41:12] Speaker 1: from Ketef Hinnem as little silver scroll. There's two of them,
[41:15] Speaker 1: little silver amulets that have a quotation from the Book
[41:19] Speaker 1: of Numbers at the five or six ship by ten
[41:24] Speaker 1: lines on each.
[41:28] Speaker 5: Yeah, I was just kind of like, I mean, I
[41:30] Speaker 5: was thinking, like, it doesn't like you see, so I
[41:32] Speaker 5: know this is like you just want a lot, and
[41:34] Speaker 5: I don't waste much of your time that Do you
[41:36] Speaker 5: really not think Isaiahs three is about Jesus because it
[41:39] Speaker 5: talks about like, no, it talks about Israel being a
[41:41] Speaker 5: wicked nation. How could they possibly tell for sins.
[41:45] Speaker 1: Because it's the righteous remnant of Israel that's suffering on
[41:48] Speaker 1: behalf of the the unrighteous, just like Jeremiah said the
[41:52] Speaker 1: same thing about himself suffering on behalf of the unrighteous Israelites.
[41:59] Speaker 5: Oh so you say, you're so you're certain about that? Yeah,
[42:02] Speaker 5: that's some people that certain people claim it.
[42:04] Speaker 3: It's otherwise it's not.
[42:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm one hundred percent certain, man.
[42:10] Speaker 5: So you don't like Ezekiel talks about like head, and
[42:13] Speaker 5: doesn't it like, does that sound similar to what Jesus
[42:15] Speaker 5: talks about later on in the Gospels, like a new
[42:17] Speaker 5: earth head and a new Earth?
[42:19] Speaker 1: So Ezekiel does the problem with Ezekiel is that the
[42:22] Speaker 1: heaven he's referring to is got a dome over top
[42:26] Speaker 1: of it called the firmament in the King James Bible.
[42:29] Speaker 1: And that's just simply not Uh, that's just simply not
[42:34] Speaker 1: the case. There's no there's no firmament, there's no dome.
[42:38] Speaker 3: So it's not possible.
[42:40] Speaker 5: Because I felt like, I.
[42:41] Speaker 1: Mean, do you think there's this flat?
[42:43] Speaker 3: I hope not.
[42:44] Speaker 5: I don't think it is.
[42:45] Speaker 1: No. I mean, if you believe in the globe birth,
[42:47] Speaker 1: that means you throw Ezekiel out the window.
[42:50] Speaker 5: So it calls it, he calls it flat. That's not
[42:52] Speaker 5: to say there's a disk slides oh.
[42:54] Speaker 1: Isaiah forty twenty two says it's a disc. Ezekiel doesn't
[42:57] Speaker 1: talk about the flatness of the earth. He only talks
[43:00] Speaker 1: about the dome.
[43:03] Speaker 5: Oh so, so so you don't so you don't think
[43:05] Speaker 5: there's like a way to look at it and go, well,
[43:07] Speaker 5: this could still technically mean It could technically mean like
[43:10] Speaker 5: a like a circle like a steer. So it's the
[43:15] Speaker 5: flatters like Genesis one one. Did I give you an
[43:18] Speaker 5: impression of the flatters? It does seem logical like it
[43:23] Speaker 5: talks about God forming the earth like on it. Yeah, okay, well,
[43:31] Speaker 5: thanks for think for thanks for having me on Justin.
[43:33] Speaker 5: That's that's all man, all.
[43:35] Speaker 1: Right, good hear from battle. Take care he tried listen.
[43:41] Speaker 1: Wisdom Chapter two is a really good chapter. Is a
[43:45] Speaker 1: good proof text from the apocrypha. Uh, if you want
[43:49] Speaker 1: to try to point towards Jesus. But unfortunately I had
[43:52] Speaker 1: twelve years of Catholic school, so I wasn't gonna catch
[43:55] Speaker 1: me off guard. H Kenna, thank you for the super chat.
[43:58] Speaker 1: Big w says, it bad me that Christians have to
[44:01] Speaker 1: lie and know they are lying to defend the religion.
[44:05] Speaker 1: The same religion that says don't lie. Yeah, that's the
[44:07] Speaker 1: craziest part. Actually, the religion that says don't lie, well,
[44:14] Speaker 1: Islam does a little bit of the same. Although I
[44:16] Speaker 1: think in the kron you're allowed to lie if you're
[44:18] Speaker 1: using it to further the cause of a law. Van Doodle,
[44:23] Speaker 1: thank you for the supertest says, how can people think like?
[44:27] Speaker 1: How can people think like?
[44:29] Speaker 3: Me this.
[44:30] Speaker 1: I get very confused with how some callers are like this.
[44:34] Speaker 1: I faith, I think you mean my faith in humanity.
[44:38] Speaker 1: But sometimes these colors I think I understand you're trying
[44:45] Speaker 1: to say, they're fun. Thank you for the super chet,
[44:48] Speaker 1: by the way, but you're right, yes, it's easy to
[44:50] Speaker 1: lose faith humanity when you get the callers they're saying
[44:52] Speaker 1: this kind of nonsense, born to offend dope name. Thank
[44:57] Speaker 1: you for the of super chest, says I filed some
[44:59] Speaker 1: paperwork wrong today at work and got a spanking. Could
[45:03] Speaker 1: you imagine if we if we enacted laws in the
[45:07] Speaker 1: US where now you could beat your employees. That's crazy,
[45:13] Speaker 1: By listen, Christians be all four it. They love that stuff.
[45:15] Speaker 1: They're they're really into that that dom sub business. And Eric,
[45:19] Speaker 1: thank you for the ten that I was superten says
[45:20] Speaker 1: as the Disciples saw Jesus was a ghost multiple times.
[45:23] Speaker 1: All Christians who don't believe in ghosts must be saying
[45:26] Speaker 1: that Disciples had at least some incorrect, uh supernatural belief. Well,
[45:32] Speaker 1: I mean that is the case, right, But I personally,
[45:35] Speaker 1: as who was a Christian for a long time, I
[45:37] Speaker 1: don't think they'd bat and eye at that like if
[45:39] Speaker 1: you said, well, the disciples were wrong about something, I
[45:42] Speaker 1: think that'd be perfect okay for most Christians. In fact,
[45:45] Speaker 1: the Gospel of Mark depicts the the disciples is being
[45:50] Speaker 1: like numskulls, like they're getting stuff wrong all the time. Uh.
[45:55] Speaker 1: Norm nominally, Bright says, is there a particular translation edition
[45:59] Speaker 1: of Josephus you recommend? I'm interested in reading him, but
[46:02] Speaker 1: want to make sure I've got a good version. So well,
[46:04] Speaker 1: there's two versions out. Neither of them are great. The
[46:08] Speaker 1: classic version was by Winston, if I remember correctly. There's
[46:12] Speaker 1: a new one that's out came a couple of years ago.
[46:15] Speaker 1: That's a revision. They say it's a new translation.
[46:19] Speaker 3: It's not.
[46:19] Speaker 1: I've read it. It's like a revision of the Winston.
[46:22] Speaker 1: Hold on, let me see if I got it. Okay,
[46:31] Speaker 1: So here's my old copy of Josephis and the translator
[46:38] Speaker 1: was William Whitson. Now my newer one says that it
[46:47] Speaker 1: was translated by William Whitston and commentary by Paul Meyer,
[46:52] Speaker 1: and it says it's the new complete works. But if
[46:55] Speaker 1: you read it, there's almost there's very little change, if ever,
[47:00] Speaker 1: between the original and the new updated version, almost no
[47:04] Speaker 1: change so I wouldn't. I wouldn't worry about which edition
[47:06] Speaker 1: you get. I would say, in the newer edition, they've
[47:10] Speaker 1: got some study notes and some extra notes on the
[47:14] Speaker 1: side to help you work through some of the issues,
[47:19] Speaker 1: like the you know, Flavianum testimonium or the Testimonium Plavianum.
[47:25] Speaker 1: So they've got some stuff like that. But other than that,
[47:28] Speaker 1: I wouldn't. I wouldn't waste too much time on it.
[47:30] Speaker 1: A good question, though, I appreciate the question. And mar
[47:35] Speaker 1: Duke says, congrats on the job situation. That's exciting. It is,
[47:37] Speaker 1: mar Duke, thank you so much for sharing in my joy.
[47:41] Speaker 1: And Sillatac says, heard an apologist debate or say prophecies
[47:44] Speaker 1: were purport purposely written vaguely so that Satan and evil
[47:48] Speaker 1: demons can't understand them. What so I've heard, I've actually
[47:52] Speaker 1: heard this argument before. This is believe it or not.
[47:54] Speaker 1: This is not a new argument. Still, uh, and this
[47:57] Speaker 1: is a real thing because once you realize the non sense,
[48:00] Speaker 1: now you need an excuse. Rather than admit that it's
[48:03] Speaker 1: all lie, you need to make an excuse. Well, if
[48:06] Speaker 1: now you're in the lie manufacturing business, Okay, what lie
[48:10] Speaker 1: could possibly explain why we would have these vague, nonsensical prophecies.
[48:15] Speaker 1: Oh well, God wanted to throw somebody off the scent,
[48:18] Speaker 1: you know, during Thomas thinking for the Superchisees. How do
[48:21] Speaker 1: you feel about Jesus and how credible he was or
[48:25] Speaker 1: lack thereof death, burial and resurrection. Well, first of all,
[48:28] Speaker 1: I don't think it was credible. He said a lot
[48:29] Speaker 1: of stuff that was wrong. He failed his own second
[48:32] Speaker 1: coming prediction. He seems just to be another false prophet.
[48:36] Speaker 1: I think he died and was buried somewhere who knows,
[48:39] Speaker 1: and that was it. No one's ever heard from him since. Aaron,
[48:43] Speaker 1: my friend, thank you so so much for sending out
[48:46] Speaker 1: fifty fifty deconstruction Zone excuse me memberships big w my friend.
[48:52] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Aaron, thank you so much for
[48:54] Speaker 1: always being here in support in the stream. It's friends
[48:57] Speaker 1: like you that really make this possible. So thank you,
[49:00] Speaker 1: Thank you. And Marie says my atheist Bible study is
[49:03] Speaker 1: doing song of songs. Oh, I love the Song of Solomon.
[49:05] Speaker 1: So it got any resources for self study on the
[49:08] Speaker 1: most rock hard book in their Bible, Geodes, blessings be it. Fannie,
[49:13] Speaker 1: listen if you're going to study a book in the
[49:16] Speaker 1: Old Testament, I highly recommend the Song of Solomon. It's
[49:19] Speaker 1: it's an amazing book. As for a good commentary, personally,
[49:24] Speaker 1: I would use who wrote it. It's in the JPS.
[49:39] Speaker 1: Now you'll find a lot of commentaries for like the Wisdom,
[49:43] Speaker 1: literature and the poetry, but there is one commentary I
[49:50] Speaker 1: would recommend. It's by the JPS for this particular book.
[49:53] Speaker 1: In general. I mean I happen to be a fan
[49:57] Speaker 1: of the JPS anyways, the commentary series, but I think
[50:00] Speaker 1: for the Song of Solomon, I think this is probably
[50:03] Speaker 1: the commentary I would start with. This would be my
[50:06] Speaker 1: jumping off point. It's the JPS Bible commentary on the
[50:10] Speaker 1: Song of Songs. Duffite would recommend it. You're gonna get
[50:14] Speaker 1: a whole lot there. Then you know, if you want
[50:17] Speaker 1: to dive deeper then obviously there are other ones we
[50:20] Speaker 1: could recommend, but that's where I would start. And also
[50:23] Speaker 1: Small Johnson, good to see a friend. Thank you for
[50:25] Speaker 1: sending out ten Deconstruction Zone memberships. I really really appreciate
[50:29] Speaker 1: that friend. That's super generous, and I hope you're having
[50:31] Speaker 1: a good time at work. And Jimmy says, good day
[50:33] Speaker 1: from straya praise Doug. Well, good day to you and
[50:36] Speaker 1: hail Doug and semiicle and thank you for the six
[50:39] Speaker 1: sixty six Hail Nero says, struggling deeply caught in ephoria.
[50:45] Speaker 1: Your honesty and knowledge helps. Existentialism is a beautiful bitch.
[50:50] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, irony, My b day is Saint Patti's praise Doug.
[50:54] Speaker 1: That is some irony. And you're right, existentialism is a bitch.
[50:57] Speaker 1: Here's the only thing I can tell you, because I
[50:59] Speaker 1: went through my exidental crisis already when I left the faith,
[51:03] Speaker 1: and it is it's a hell of a ride, but
[51:06] Speaker 1: but it gets better with time. Right. So you're gonna
[51:10] Speaker 1: go through your stages of grief, You're gonna go through
[51:13] Speaker 1: your stages of disbelief, and then you're gonna start going
[51:17] Speaker 1: through the stages of acceptance and recovery. Right, so you'll
[51:22] Speaker 1: get there. You're gonna get to the point where you're
[51:25] Speaker 1: you're able to function again. You're not gonna spend all
[51:29] Speaker 1: your time stressed out, worried and anxious. But while you're
[51:33] Speaker 1: in the thick of it, it's it's hard. It's hardway,
[51:36] Speaker 1: how are you doing Triple Cross.
[51:39] Speaker 3: Hey, what's up, bro?
[51:40] Speaker 1: Not too much triple Cross? Are you at least eighteen?
[51:43] Speaker 1: And are you believer?
[51:45] Speaker 3: Yeah? Unfortunately, I'm forty two. Man. I'm trying to see
[51:48] Speaker 3: if I can rewind the clock, but I don't think
[51:50] Speaker 3: it works.
[51:51] Speaker 1: No, no, not gonna work out for you. I think
[51:55] Speaker 1: unless you've got a couple million dollars to spend on
[51:57] Speaker 1: experimental therapy, I don't think there's much open that.
[52:01] Speaker 3: Right, right, right. But to answer the question, I am
[52:04] Speaker 3: a believer, man, and I want to say, your platform
[52:07] Speaker 3: is dope, brother, Thanks, It's really dope. I've been sitting
[52:11] Speaker 3: here listening for a while, and intellectual dialogue. I'm I'm
[52:16] Speaker 3: obsessed with it so much. Kudos to you, brother, keep
[52:21] Speaker 3: doing it. What I wanted to do is, you know,
[52:27] Speaker 3: I guess kind of slow the conversation down a little
[52:30] Speaker 3: bit and have some good dialogue. And I wanted to ask, Okay,
[52:33] Speaker 3: it says your God is imaginary, so what I'm I'm
[52:37] Speaker 3: more interested in your mind? And what would your definition
[52:41] Speaker 3: of imaginary?
[52:43] Speaker 1: That's a good question. So I use the word imaginary
[52:46] Speaker 1: because I think it does a good job of appealing
[52:50] Speaker 1: to my actual position, which is I think that most God.
[52:55] Speaker 1: Concepts are concepts that can't go any further than the imagination.
[53:00] Speaker 1: Like you can imagine your God, the Buddhists can imagine
[53:03] Speaker 1: their world view, the Hindus can imagine their worldview. But
[53:08] Speaker 1: when it comes to proving it outside of your imagination,
[53:11] Speaker 1: people tend to fall short. They can't do it right.
[53:15] Speaker 3: I agree. I agree with that totally. I am a believer,
[53:19] Speaker 3: but I'm pretty calm with my belief you know, you
[53:25] Speaker 3: know what I'm saying. I'm not radical, irrationally and stuff
[53:29] Speaker 3: like that. And I love to learn one. Okay, So
[53:33] Speaker 3: I wanted to I kind of jot it down a
[53:35] Speaker 3: few things and you can kind of make it make
[53:37] Speaker 3: sense to me. Okay. So my first point is, would
[53:42] Speaker 3: you say that consciousness is imagineard.
[53:45] Speaker 1: I think consciousness is derivative of the brain, and I
[53:48] Speaker 1: think the best way to test the hypothesis is with
[53:53] Speaker 1: the split brain experiments and with what we've done with medication,
[53:58] Speaker 1: so like we can pretty drastically alter somebody's emotions and
[54:04] Speaker 1: states of being just using you know, substances that you
[54:09] Speaker 1: need prescriptions for. And then on the other side of it,
[54:12] Speaker 1: we've done split brain experiments, which has been really interesting.
[54:15] Speaker 1: Because we've been able to I don't want to use
[54:19] Speaker 1: the word create, but we've been able to create scenarios
[54:23] Speaker 1: where individuals develop two different personalities, split personalities because now
[54:28] Speaker 1: they're two hemispheres of their brain aren't interacting with each other,
[54:31] Speaker 1: and so it's just to me, it's super fascinating. I
[54:35] Speaker 1: think Roger Sperry was the one who initially started those.
[54:39] Speaker 3: Dope with Okay, so personalities different personalities, would it be
[54:45] Speaker 3: safe to say that there's kind of like a I'm
[54:49] Speaker 3: not the best with words, but like a linear consciousness
[54:54] Speaker 3: even with those two personalities, that would be kind of
[54:57] Speaker 3: like an overall consciousness to I guess being alive. Would
[55:05] Speaker 3: that be safe to say, like, I guess consciousness would
[55:07] Speaker 3: kind of be like a broader and personalities to kind
[55:11] Speaker 3: of fit inside of that overall consciousness.
[55:14] Speaker 1: Well, I could see why you would ask that question.
[55:17] Speaker 1: But let me give you an example from one of
[55:19] Speaker 1: the early studies that I think will kind of flesh
[55:22] Speaker 1: out why I don't think that to be the case.
[55:25] Speaker 1: So there was a they would do daily tasks with
[55:28] Speaker 1: people that had their brain split just to see how
[55:31] Speaker 1: their body would behave because, as it turns out, once
[55:33] Speaker 1: your brain is split. You can't coordinate the size of
[55:36] Speaker 1: your body anymore. Like the right side of your body
[55:39] Speaker 1: wants to do things in the left side of your
[55:40] Speaker 1: body wants to do something else. And so what they
[55:43] Speaker 1: discovered is sometimes when you're doing a task that requires
[55:46] Speaker 1: both sides of your body to work together, they discovered
[55:49] Speaker 1: a lot of people couldn't do it. Like there was
[55:51] Speaker 1: one guy that had the button his shirt up right,
[55:53] Speaker 1: Hey said, I'm literally buttoning it with one hand and
[55:56] Speaker 1: my other hands coming behind me and unbuttoning it, and
[55:58] Speaker 1: I couldn't. I couldn't will myself to button my shirt
[56:01] Speaker 1: up because it required both sides of my body to
[56:04] Speaker 1: agree with each other, and they wouldn't agree with each other.
[56:07] Speaker 1: And so for me, I think that tells me a
[56:10] Speaker 1: lot about the consciousness. If it's truly a derivative of
[56:13] Speaker 1: the brain, then whatever you do to that brain is
[56:16] Speaker 1: going to dictate what your consciousness does, and not the
[56:19] Speaker 1: other way around.
[56:21] Speaker 3: Okay, okay, So more like more like how the brain functions,
[56:27] Speaker 3: so to speak, like the split test, the brain wasn't
[56:30] Speaker 3: able to function together in a sense. Okay, okay, so cool,
[56:38] Speaker 3: all right, So okay, So I had another another thing,
[56:42] Speaker 3: that was interesting, Okay, So like slavery. It was on
[56:45] Speaker 3: the speaking point of slavery, and one of the things
[56:50] Speaker 3: that kind of came to my mind over here in
[56:51] Speaker 3: the conversation. And so instead of me like asking you stuff,
[56:55] Speaker 3: I kind of just share what my mind acts me
[56:58] Speaker 3: in a sense, and it says, does slavery and our
[57:03] Speaker 3: perception has to be the perception that God intended to be.
[57:07] Speaker 3: Could it have just been employment? And man take it
[57:09] Speaker 3: upon themselves to be like men. So when I go
[57:12] Speaker 3: and I look in the Hebrew term, because you've done
[57:16] Speaker 3: a lot, a lot of studies in man that I
[57:19] Speaker 3: admire that brother. So in the Hebrew term, and the
[57:22] Speaker 3: Hebrew term for slave is a direct deriviation from the
[57:27] Speaker 3: verb beaud to work. The slave is only a worker
[57:31] Speaker 3: or servant. And then it says the terminology for slavery
[57:35] Speaker 3: permediate permediate relational metaphors. In Israel, it was adopted as
[57:41] Speaker 3: a metaphor to imagey believers relationship to Yahweh or basically
[57:48] Speaker 3: more like an employee. And I think when I think
[57:51] Speaker 3: about how we speak about slavery, I think we're kind
[57:55] Speaker 3: of compartmentalizing it in the understanding of how we've seen
[57:59] Speaker 3: it work in our livestimes, but in Hebrew terms it
[58:05] Speaker 3: kind of references or directly references to slavery as just
[58:09] Speaker 3: a word for employment. Now you have man that taken
[58:14] Speaker 3: upon themselves, just like in employment conditions right now in
[58:19] Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Some could be extreme. I mean, Nike
[58:23] Speaker 3: has sweatshops with kids making shoes for two dollars a week.
[58:29] Speaker 7: You know, I don't approve of that either, right right, right,
[58:33] Speaker 7: for sure, for sure, But they're so we have to.
[58:37] Speaker 1: Let's not bite off more than we should. Let's address
[58:41] Speaker 1: the word for slavery in Hebrew before we get too
[58:44] Speaker 1: far down the road. How about we do that?
[58:46] Speaker 3: Okay, So the word you're.
[58:48] Speaker 1: Referring to is evid in Hebrew, and it can refer
[58:51] Speaker 1: to somebody who is a temporary servant or permanent servant.
[58:57] Speaker 1: It's the context of the passes that will tell you
[59:00] Speaker 1: whether or not you're an actual slave or an indentured servant. Now,
[59:05] Speaker 1: if you're talking about somebody who's strictly a hired worker,
[59:07] Speaker 1: somebody who gets paid, that's a shakir in Hebrew. And
[59:11] Speaker 1: we find both of these words used in Leviticus twenty five.
[59:15] Speaker 1: I think Leviticus twenty five is the best example to
[59:19] Speaker 1: illustrate the point that I'm making that God endorses both
[59:23] Speaker 1: slavery and inder servitude. If you start in thirty nine,
[59:28] Speaker 1: he says, if any who are dependent on you become
[59:31] Speaker 1: so impoversed that they sell themselves to you, you shall
[59:34] Speaker 1: not make them serve as slaves. They shall remain with
[59:38] Speaker 1: you as hired or bound labor that's a shakir, a
[59:40] Speaker 1: hired or a bound laborer. They shall serve with you
[59:43] Speaker 1: until the year of Jubilee. Then they and their children
[59:47] Speaker 1: with them shall go out from your authority, and they
[59:49] Speaker 1: shall go back to their own family and return to
[59:51] Speaker 1: their ancestral property. For they are my servants. So I
[59:54] Speaker 1: brought out of the land of Egypt. Okay, So God
[59:56] Speaker 1: is saying, listen, these these Israelites, don't own each other
[1:00:00] Speaker 1: there as property. Don't make slaves of each other, because
[1:00:03] Speaker 1: you're my slaves.
[1:00:04] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: But he gets down to verse forty four. He says,
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: as for the male and female slaves, he says, Evid here,
[1:00:11] Speaker 1: Evid and Amah and Hebrew are slaves. For male and female.
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: He says, as for the male and female slaves who
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: you may have, it is from the nations around you,
[1:00:20] Speaker 1: that you may acquire male and female slaves. You may
[1:00:22] Speaker 1: also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you,
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: and from their families who are with you, who have
[1:00:28] Speaker 1: been born in your land. They may be your property.
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: You may keep them as a possession for your children
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: after you, for them to inherit as property. These may
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: you may treat as slaves. But as for your fellow Israelites,
[1:00:40] Speaker 1: no one shall rule over the other with harshness. So
[1:00:44] Speaker 1: there are I agree with you, there are indentured servants
[1:00:47] Speaker 1: in the Bible. But God also endorses owning people as
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: property forever in that slavery.
[1:00:54] Speaker 3: And that's a great read. Now what I do when
[1:00:57] Speaker 3: I look at that, I try to kind look at
[1:01:00] Speaker 3: it and I say, okay, I take it for what
[1:01:02] Speaker 3: it is, like you're saying, I take it literal. Now,
[1:01:05] Speaker 3: I also factor in the transliteration or the understanding of
[1:01:12] Speaker 3: the writer in which you know, because I can't say
[1:01:15] Speaker 3: it is a story, but I can't say I wasn't there,
[1:01:18] Speaker 3: and I can't say the interpretation of it. But from
[1:01:22] Speaker 3: reading that that would in my mind sound contradictory. But
[1:01:27] Speaker 3: I would kind of put myself as a three year
[1:01:29] Speaker 3: old trying to listen to my forty year old dad
[1:01:32] Speaker 3: as he explained something, and I just kind of take
[1:01:35] Speaker 3: it in loops. So, but I do understand that, and
[1:01:38] Speaker 3: I see that. Okay. So another speaking point that I
[1:01:44] Speaker 3: wanted to reference was like, usually people kind of say, okay,
[1:01:50] Speaker 3: well why would God do this? Or I think I
[1:01:53] Speaker 3: might have heard you say, well, a lot of times
[1:01:55] Speaker 3: people speak about babies or you know, why would God
[1:01:57] Speaker 3: let babies die? And you know I would do that
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: and different things. And I used to ask people, I said, well,
[1:02:04] Speaker 3: do you have children? And they said, okay, well, why
[1:02:06] Speaker 3: would you bring children up into this? That doesn't make
[1:02:09] Speaker 3: any sense? I say, well, what if you had eight
[1:02:11] Speaker 3: billion children? You know, when I look at a lot
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: of times, like if a three year old doesn't perceive
[1:02:19] Speaker 3: the instructions that you give them as safety or baby
[1:02:22] Speaker 3: cars when you set them down, you know, as an adult,
[1:02:25] Speaker 3: you know, I understand that my three year old doesn't
[1:02:28] Speaker 3: understand the circumstances. And then why I make decisions. So
[1:02:33] Speaker 3: let's say, if I put my kid in time out,
[1:02:36] Speaker 3: or if I were to spank my kid, I really
[1:02:39] Speaker 3: don't think that, you know, I got spankings and stuff
[1:02:42] Speaker 3: like that, and I see them as great lessons learned
[1:02:47] Speaker 3: in my life. Beating is a lot different.
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: I don't know if I know what point you're making yet,
[1:02:53] Speaker 1: Like I guess I don't know what topic you're addressing.
[1:02:57] Speaker 3: Well, I'm just speaking in general of how people kind
[1:03:00] Speaker 3: of perceive, like, you know, why would God do this?
[1:03:03] Speaker 3: Or why would why would God allow bad things to
[1:03:08] Speaker 3: take place?
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, that's not a question I have. I mean,
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: if people have the ability to make decisions, obviously sometimes
[1:03:15] Speaker 1: they're going to make bad decisions. I think the complaint
[1:03:18] Speaker 1: from the atheist is not that people have the ability
[1:03:21] Speaker 1: to do bad things, although some people do make a
[1:03:23] Speaker 1: good argument for that to not be the case. I
[1:03:26] Speaker 1: think the better question is why does God allow horrific
[1:03:29] Speaker 1: things that he causes? Like children being born blind, children
[1:03:35] Speaker 1: being born with bone cancer, earthquakes, tornadoes, volcanos. Those are
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: things that he controls. Those aren't decisions I've made.
[1:03:44] Speaker 3: Well, okay and okay, So to that point in your
[1:03:50] Speaker 3: perception of things that you can handle, when you think
[1:03:54] Speaker 3: of babies being born blind, is that something that hurts
[1:03:58] Speaker 3: your feelings or is that something that makes you feel like,
[1:04:02] Speaker 3: oh man, that makes me sad about that.
[1:04:04] Speaker 1: Well, it certainly makes me sad. Now, if it's your
[1:04:07] Speaker 1: own child, I don't think sad even remotely covers it.
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: I think if you were born with a child who
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: has a severe disability or is sick or chronically ill, sad,
[1:04:19] Speaker 1: it quite literally is more like despair.
[1:04:24] Speaker 3: Right right, It's traumatic despair. So I think it would
[1:04:30] Speaker 3: be safe to say that in the total, overall context
[1:04:35] Speaker 3: of things, why a god would allow man to endure
[1:04:40] Speaker 3: certain things would be kind of like, you know, when
[1:04:43] Speaker 3: you work out and the whole science behind working out
[1:04:46] Speaker 3: is breaking down a muscle, and you don't get any
[1:04:49] Speaker 3: gains without pain. Well, your body responds to that level
[1:04:56] Speaker 3: of stress in order to repair. So does your immune system,
[1:05:00] Speaker 3: and so does your mind. You know, your mind solves
[1:05:05] Speaker 3: complex things that put stress on it to become intelligent.
[1:05:09] Speaker 3: Like somebody like you, Sure, but sorry, go ahead. If
[1:05:14] Speaker 3: I were, if I were in totality of looking at
[1:05:19] Speaker 3: the total circumstance, would I allow certain things that would
[1:05:24] Speaker 3: be to me minuscule but to you might be traumatic.
[1:05:30] Speaker 3: I just don't think that it would affect me in
[1:05:36] Speaker 3: the same way because I am looking at things in
[1:05:39] Speaker 3: a totality.
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, but what about the child that dies after six
[1:05:45] Speaker 1: years of bone cancer.
[1:05:48] Speaker 3: Well again, that that would be something too. That would
[1:05:54] Speaker 3: be something that if I was personally connected to that,
[1:05:59] Speaker 3: if I was a spring being, then it would be
[1:06:03] Speaker 3: like me watching my child bump their knee on a dresser.
[1:06:09] Speaker 1: No, no, I'm talking about the child. What does the
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: child get out of it?
[1:06:13] Speaker 3: But see, okay, well what is what does a child
[1:06:17] Speaker 3: get out of going in time out? No?
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: No, no, no, the child's the child's not not developed.
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: Is dead after six months?
[1:06:27] Speaker 3: Yes, But but I'm saying in relation to the child,
[1:06:31] Speaker 3: a baby screaming thinks you're trying to kill it when
[1:06:35] Speaker 3: you sit it down.
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: No, the baby died, is what I'm saying. In the
[1:06:39] Speaker 1: scenario I'm giving you right, there's a child born of
[1:06:42] Speaker 1: the bone cancer. After six months, the baby's dead. What
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: does the baby learn?
[1:06:48] Speaker 3: Not the baby, what did you learn that?
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: That's not my question? My question what did the baby learn?
[1:06:57] Speaker 3: What did the baby learn that that? What did the
[1:07:00] Speaker 3: baby learn? That's that's like a I I that's like
[1:07:04] Speaker 3: a plausible What did the baby learn? Is it about
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: the baby?
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: I know? Yeah, God is using the suffering of the
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: innocent to teach adults a lesson. That's that's what you're positing, right,
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: So do you do you think that God has no
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: other recourse and all powerful entity has no other recourse
[1:07:27] Speaker 1: to teach adults proper behavior without making innocent people suffer.
[1:07:33] Speaker 3: Well, what I do know, as like the exercise analogy,
[1:07:38] Speaker 3: you you and there are times where you learn from
[1:07:42] Speaker 3: from trauma, and there are times evolution. If evolution is evolution,
[1:07:49] Speaker 3: evolution solves problems. They're there are conflicting problems in all
[1:07:55] Speaker 3: species to where they evolve. If any of those problems
[1:07:59] Speaker 3: had never presented itself, then in science, I guess it
[1:08:04] Speaker 3: would be safe to say that you wouldn't be here
[1:08:06] Speaker 3: on TikTok able to perceive or go live. So evolution
[1:08:12] Speaker 3: is a direct response to an overcoming of trauma because
[1:08:19] Speaker 3: you have to.
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: Or fish to breathe. I'm just trying to stay focused here, right,
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: So I'll lay out the argument so you can kind
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: of see what I'm doing. So the problem with the
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: problem of evil, that's the topic we're on right now,
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: is that you're saying God needs to have like these
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: innocent babies suffer and die. He needs to do it
[1:08:41] Speaker 1: because when these innocent babies suffer and die like the
[1:08:45] Speaker 1: adults that are around, they're like learning, they're growing. Right,
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: So you're saying it's necessary pain, but I'm pushing back
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: on it and saying, listen, if your God needs to
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: kill innocent babies to teach people how to deal with
[1:09:00] Speaker 1: pain or trauma, then either one he's not all powerful
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: or number two he's not all good. You got to
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: one of those two things has got to hit the road.
[1:09:10] Speaker 3: Well, that again, it goes back to Okay, it's evolution necessary, Like.
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: Do do do you believe in evolution?
[1:09:20] Speaker 3: Well, I see evolution. Things evolve, period. I mean that's
[1:09:25] Speaker 3: not something that that's something anybody things evolved. Listen.
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: I'm sorry I assumed you didn't believe in evolution because
[1:09:31] Speaker 1: most Christians don't. I shouldn't have been an assumption. Okay,
[1:09:35] Speaker 1: so you do believe in evolution, yeah.
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: I mean how evolution of the actual term is to evolve,
[1:09:42] Speaker 3: So it's not even something to believe in, it's it's
[1:09:46] Speaker 3: ship stuff evolves, right.
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: Like, I agree you, we're on the same page. We
[1:09:51] Speaker 1: agree evolution is real. Okay, So could God accomplish like
[1:09:56] Speaker 1: whatever evolution is doing, right, could God accomplish it? Another way,
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: in a way.
[1:10:04] Speaker 3: That just makes everyone happy. And yes he could so, yeah,
[1:10:11] Speaker 3: anyway that he would choose to do it.
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: Okay. So God could have created the world without the
[1:10:17] Speaker 1: unnecessary suffering, and he chose to create the world with
[1:10:20] Speaker 1: the necessary suffering or the unnecessary suffering, which means you've
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: got to get rid of this fictitious property of God
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: that he's perfectly loving and perfectly just because he's not
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: if he chooses the world that has all the unnecessary suffering.
[1:10:36] Speaker 3: Okay, to your point, to your point, I understand your point,
[1:10:39] Speaker 3: but check this out. Okay. So if if the story
[1:10:42] Speaker 3: in God references a place where there's a heaven, and
[1:10:46] Speaker 3: if this is a boot camp, then I mean I
[1:10:51] Speaker 3: would see validation for what happens here to reference where
[1:10:56] Speaker 3: you go from here. I'm not a sensitive person, so
[1:11:00] Speaker 3: when I see certain things, you know, I do it's sad.
[1:11:04] Speaker 3: I love children, like children and old people all my life.
[1:11:07] Speaker 3: Children and old people. I have a very uh I
[1:11:11] Speaker 3: have a very emotional connection to those. I don't like
[1:11:15] Speaker 3: nobody messing with children. I can't even watch a movie
[1:11:19] Speaker 3: where something happens to a child like I like. Turn
[1:11:22] Speaker 3: it off. Yes, God read.
[1:11:28] Speaker 1: Left right in that bug.
[1:11:31] Speaker 3: Well, at the end of the day, if you look
[1:11:35] Speaker 3: at us all as a species, I mean even a
[1:11:38] Speaker 3: even a deer loves their their baby. I guess in
[1:11:41] Speaker 3: a sense, a deer shows emotion when something is just
[1:11:46] Speaker 3: eating their baby. So if how do I how can
[1:11:50] Speaker 3: I say? Aunts don't do the same thing. Our emotional
[1:11:54] Speaker 3: connection does not define a greater purpose. We don't have
[1:12:01] Speaker 3: a connection to a roach and their babies. We don't
[1:12:05] Speaker 3: have a connection to We don't have a connection to
[1:12:08] Speaker 3: rats and their babies. So if I created everything, I
[1:12:13] Speaker 3: think a lot of times humans just take the universe
[1:12:17] Speaker 3: experience as though all things aren't alive. It is not
[1:12:21] Speaker 3: a planet alive, it's not of the fish alive, but
[1:12:26] Speaker 3: we will eat a fish, or it's not a plant alive.
[1:12:30] Speaker 3: So if I created everything, I'm not going to make man.
[1:12:39] Speaker 3: I'm not going to make man. A super sensitive point.
[1:12:47] Speaker 1: So the suffering of mankind is not actually relevant.
[1:12:50] Speaker 3: I mean, it's the suffering of ants really, So.
[1:12:53] Speaker 1: Our human suffering is no different than the suffering of
[1:12:56] Speaker 1: like the honey bees and the ants.
[1:12:59] Speaker 3: Who has the right to say.
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: That it is or is so then Jesus is suffering
[1:13:05] Speaker 1: was meaningless.
[1:13:07] Speaker 3: I can't say that it was. I can't say that
[1:13:09] Speaker 3: it wasn't.
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: Well, it has to be meaningless. If my suffering is meaningless,
[1:13:13] Speaker 1: then certainly jesus Is suffering is extra meaningless, especially if
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: you think he's a god who already knew he was
[1:13:20] Speaker 1: just going to resurrect completely meaningless.
[1:13:23] Speaker 3: Well, well, you have the right to put the word
[1:13:27] Speaker 3: meaningless on it. I'm saying, I'm reserving the right to say.
[1:13:31] Speaker 3: I don't determine whether it was meaningfull or meaningless. I
[1:13:36] Speaker 3: don't have the right or power to do that. All
[1:13:39] Speaker 3: I'm saying is, if I was a supreme creator of
[1:13:43] Speaker 3: the cosmos billions of organisms, down to bacteria, down to cells, neurons,
[1:13:52] Speaker 3: and atoms, I as a human might be egotistical to
[1:13:58] Speaker 3: make myself the center point of feelings in the universe.
[1:14:02] Speaker 3: But if I were to create trillions of different things,
[1:14:07] Speaker 3: I would not be able to relate to how you relate,
[1:14:13] Speaker 3: the same way as we wouldn't relate to a chicken
[1:14:16] Speaker 3: having eggs and stealing their eggs and kidnapping their eggs
[1:14:21] Speaker 3: from them and having them lay more eggs. We huh,
[1:14:29] Speaker 3: all right, because I like meat.
[1:14:32] Speaker 1: Okay, So the suffering, So the suffering in your worldview,
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: the suffering of animals isn't all that important.
[1:14:39] Speaker 3: That I mean, not in not in the way that
[1:14:41] Speaker 3: I live my life. Uh, to exactly check this out, now,
[1:14:47] Speaker 3: guess what. I would have a different context if guess what.
[1:14:50] Speaker 3: I've never went out and actually killed my food. I
[1:14:54] Speaker 3: may never ever eat meat again. If I were to
[1:14:57] Speaker 3: go and have to cut my ch pick my chickens
[1:15:01] Speaker 3: up and catch them and cut them up, Well, that's
[1:15:03] Speaker 3: what I'm saying.
[1:15:04] Speaker 1: Well, let me let me agree with you there. If
[1:15:08] Speaker 1: we all had to execute our own animals, there'd be
[1:15:11] Speaker 1: a lot more vegetarians in the world. I agree with
[1:15:13] Speaker 1: you there. I think our conversation is getting long in
[1:15:16] Speaker 1: the tooth, but I want to cover one more passage
[1:15:18] Speaker 1: with you if you don't mind, sure, sure.
[1:15:23] Speaker 3: So.
[1:15:23] Speaker 1: I think that what God does through the problem of
[1:15:27] Speaker 1: suffering is one problem. I think there's maybe even a
[1:15:32] Speaker 1: bigger problem where in the Bible God repeatedly does and
[1:15:38] Speaker 1: braggs about doing it, punishing innocent people for crimes they
[1:15:43] Speaker 1: never committed. To me, this is incongruent with a God
[1:15:46] Speaker 1: that's perfectly just so. You probably already know the story
[1:15:49] Speaker 1: of David and Bathsheba and the punishment that God gave
[1:15:53] Speaker 1: for that whole mess. Well, most people remember that the
[1:15:56] Speaker 1: child was stricken ill for seven days and then executed,
[1:16:00] Speaker 1: and that was one part of the punishment. The second
[1:16:02] Speaker 1: part of the punishment is what people forget, And this
[1:16:05] Speaker 1: is what happens. God says through Nathan. Thus, saith the Lord,
[1:16:08] Speaker 1: I will raise up trouble against you from wishing your
[1:16:10] Speaker 1: own house, and I will take your wives before your eyes,
[1:16:13] Speaker 1: and I will give them to your neighbor, and he
[1:16:15] Speaker 1: will lie with your wives in broad daylight. For you
[1:16:18] Speaker 1: did it secretly, but I will do this thing before
[1:16:20] Speaker 1: all Israel in broad daylight. And so God then has
[1:16:24] Speaker 1: ten of David's wives graped by Absalom in a couple
[1:16:29] Speaker 1: chapters later. But those wives didn't do anything wrong. Why
[1:16:32] Speaker 1: are they getting punished?
[1:16:34] Speaker 3: Well, now, I can't say whether they were graped by
[1:16:40] Speaker 3: the instruction of God or not. I can say that
[1:16:43] Speaker 3: man does all type of wild things. Now, if you
[1:16:47] Speaker 3: take what you're reading, that's like looking at science. So
[1:16:51] Speaker 3: you're reading something that someone else wrote about something or
[1:16:56] Speaker 3: someone and you weren't present. But God, I mean, you're
[1:17:03] Speaker 3: in what you're reading. Yeah, So when well, what trans
[1:17:09] Speaker 3: transliteration are you reading? Is this from a Hebrew text
[1:17:13] Speaker 3: transliteration because a lot of things that are written in
[1:17:16] Speaker 3: Hebrew and the purposes behind the actual words become different
[1:17:22] Speaker 3: in our in our English transliteration of things. So could
[1:17:26] Speaker 3: I say, based on exactly what you just read, could
[1:17:30] Speaker 3: I say that that is what God intended? I can't
[1:17:36] Speaker 3: say that. I can say that, Okay, that's probably what
[1:17:38] Speaker 3: man chose to do and write. I don't I think.
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: Do you think all the English translators got it wrong?
[1:17:47] Speaker 3: No? I don't think they got everything wrong, But I
[1:17:49] Speaker 3: don't know what they got right or got wrong.
[1:17:51] Speaker 1: Well, what word in here should we translate differently?
[1:17:55] Speaker 3: I'm not the scholar to say that.
[1:17:58] Speaker 1: But what I have read it in Hebrew before it says,
[1:18:01] Speaker 1: it's exactly what it says in English.
[1:18:04] Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, that Hebrew he is completely different.
[1:18:12] Speaker 1: Oh, it's certainly not the case.
[1:18:17] Speaker 3: If you pull up pull up a direct Hebrew translation
[1:18:22] Speaker 3: for the passage in which.
[1:18:24] Speaker 1: You just yeah, you want to you want to do
[1:18:26] Speaker 1: it interlidiar read out.
[1:18:28] Speaker 3: With me, Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's cool, or or strongs
[1:18:32] Speaker 3: or something or.
[1:18:34] Speaker 1: Well, strong strongs ain't gonna help.
[1:18:36] Speaker 3: You it's important some some sort of concordance of a
[1:18:40] Speaker 3: direct transliteration.
[1:18:42] Speaker 1: Well, you don't want a transliteration, transliteration that doesn't do anything,
[1:18:46] Speaker 1: that that just copies the letters over. You want a translation,
[1:18:49] Speaker 1: which is what we're gonna read. Says thus say, it's
[1:18:51] Speaker 1: the Lord, I will raise up trouble against you. I
[1:18:57] Speaker 1: he's doing it.
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: I will do it. Okay, great, and I can agree,
[1:19:03] Speaker 3: I will raise up trouble against you.
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: And he literally says, I will take in the first person.
[1:19:11] Speaker 3: Okay, I will take continue his wives.
[1:19:16] Speaker 1: God, God's raising up the trouble. God's taking his wives.
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: The great part, well, there's no word in Biblical Hebrew
[1:19:23] Speaker 1: for grape. That that word doesn't exist.
[1:19:26] Speaker 3: Exactly, So how can I how can you? You were
[1:19:30] Speaker 3: reading me context and that word doesn't even exist in Hebrew,
[1:19:35] Speaker 3: but it was spoken and given to the Hebrew people.
[1:19:39] Speaker 3: So how can how can we? How can we right
[1:19:42] Speaker 3: now argue a point when we're arguing a point of
[1:19:47] Speaker 3: something that was conceptually we have a concept of something.
[1:19:51] Speaker 1: Do you think that the Hebrew people had a way
[1:19:53] Speaker 1: of describing grape?
[1:19:55] Speaker 3: How could you not?
[1:19:57] Speaker 1: Exactly? So they did have a way of describing it,
[1:20:00] Speaker 1: and what they typically used were words like we saw
[1:20:03] Speaker 1: in the prior passage, where somebody took a woman and
[1:20:06] Speaker 1: then did something to her like going into her, which
[1:20:09] Speaker 1: is exactly what happened in chapter sixteen, says Abslom said
[1:20:14] Speaker 1: to Absalom, by the way, is the son of David,
[1:20:17] Speaker 1: who's trying to take over David's throne. He's running a
[1:20:19] Speaker 1: coup against his father, and he's asking for advice from
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: a former advisor of the king as to what to
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: do to solidify his power now that he chased his
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: father out of the palace. So he says, give us
[1:20:31] Speaker 1: your counsel, what should we do? And a hit the
[1:20:33] Speaker 1: fella said to Absalom, go into your father's concubines, the
[1:20:37] Speaker 1: ones that he left to look after the house. And
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: after all and all Israel will hear that you have
[1:20:41] Speaker 1: made yourself odious to your father, and the hands of
[1:20:45] Speaker 1: all who are with you will be strengthened. So they
[1:20:47] Speaker 1: pitched a temp for Absalom on the roof, and Absalom
[1:20:51] Speaker 1: went into his father's concubines in the sight of all
[1:20:54] Speaker 1: of Israel. So Abslom, in a display of force over
[1:20:57] Speaker 1: his own father, ures ten of David's wives and forcibly
[1:21:04] Speaker 1: goes into them on top of the palace.
[1:21:06] Speaker 3: Okay, it's covering into if I go into you, if
[1:21:10] Speaker 3: I go into if I say I'm going to go
[1:21:12] Speaker 3: into you, if an old school dad say I'm going
[1:21:15] Speaker 3: to lay into you, does that necessarily mean that he's
[1:21:19] Speaker 3: referencing that he's going to grape you, or does that
[1:21:22] Speaker 3: mean that he's going to get he's going to get
[1:21:28] Speaker 3: on you, or he's going to get in your head,
[1:21:30] Speaker 3: or he's going to whatever. Like I can't say, you
[1:21:33] Speaker 3: can say that.
[1:21:34] Speaker 1: I can say. Yeah. In the Bible, when it says
[1:21:36] Speaker 1: going into a woman, it refers to having sex with them.
[1:21:39] Speaker 1: Want me to show you where that is? Yeah? Yeah,
[1:21:43] Speaker 1: that shows up in like five or six different places.
[1:21:46] Speaker 1: The first place in the most common is Deuteronomy, chapter
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: twenty one and twenty two. So let's go to chapter
[1:21:53] Speaker 1: twenty two. He says, suppose a man marries a woman,
[1:21:59] Speaker 1: but after going into her, dislikes her. It makes up
[1:22:02] Speaker 1: charges against her, slandering her by saying, I married this woman,
[1:22:05] Speaker 1: but when I lay with her, I did not find
[1:22:08] Speaker 1: evidence of her virginity. Going into a woman is the
[1:22:11] Speaker 1: act of lying with her In the Bible.
[1:22:14] Speaker 3: Well, well you can argue that point. But but guess what.
[1:22:19] Speaker 3: Though there is a purpose of why there was going
[1:22:24] Speaker 3: into her and laying with her, it never had to
[1:22:30] Speaker 3: deviate from going into her, but it specifically stated laying
[1:22:35] Speaker 3: with her. So going into her, I can't say I
[1:22:38] Speaker 3: get what you're saying.
[1:22:40] Speaker 1: I just think I should do No.
[1:22:42] Speaker 3: No, no, I'm very intelligent. What I'm saying is I'm
[1:22:46] Speaker 3: not going to force going into as being laying when
[1:22:51] Speaker 3: it's purposefully made two different references.
[1:22:55] Speaker 1: It's not two different references, it's literally the same thing.
[1:22:58] Speaker 1: The punishment that Absalam is doing to the concubines is comparable.
[1:23:04] Speaker 1: And the reason why it's chosen as the punishment is
[1:23:07] Speaker 1: because David committed adultery by sleeping with another woman. So
[1:23:12] Speaker 1: the punishment is, David, you went into this woman who
[1:23:16] Speaker 1: wasn't yours. Now I'm going to have somebody go into
[1:23:21] Speaker 1: your wives. That's the punishment. That's why the punishment makes sense.
[1:23:26] Speaker 1: The phrase, the phrase going into a woman always means
[1:23:30] Speaker 1: sex in the Bible. There's no other instance in the Bible,
[1:23:33] Speaker 1: not a single instance where it means anything other but that.
[1:23:37] Speaker 3: Okay, So so basically, someone was someone great, someone and
[1:23:43] Speaker 3: then it's saying that God said I'm going to have
[1:23:46] Speaker 3: someone great your wives.
[1:23:51] Speaker 1: Right, God says he's causing it. It's a punishment.
[1:23:54] Speaker 3: Okay, okay, well in the sense of that if okay,
[1:23:58] Speaker 3: so I can logically understand it. I mean, I'm not
[1:24:00] Speaker 3: a scholar. I was just arguing my point. But if
[1:24:04] Speaker 3: if that is a reference to things, again, I can't
[1:24:11] Speaker 3: say with total, with total, I can't say that on
[1:24:18] Speaker 3: a personal human level of suffering. I can't say that
[1:24:22] Speaker 3: I would pick your level of suffering over my total
[1:24:27] Speaker 3: understanding just because you have a sensitive tie.
[1:24:31] Speaker 1: Again, this is not about it's not about suffering. This
[1:24:34] Speaker 1: is about justice.
[1:24:36] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: So the women, the women took on the punishment for
[1:24:40] Speaker 1: the crimes that their husband committed.
[1:24:43] Speaker 3: But the women are a totality of mankind. Mankind women
[1:24:50] Speaker 3: the bear the total burden.
[1:24:52] Speaker 1: Women are are individual, autonomous people. Right, So like if
[1:24:57] Speaker 1: you're if you commit a sin, if you commit a sin,
[1:25:01] Speaker 1: your significant others shouldn't be punished for it.
[1:25:04] Speaker 3: No, that's that's in the that's in the way of
[1:25:07] Speaker 3: your consciousness and perception.
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: That a huge that's what the word just means. What
[1:25:12] Speaker 1: do you think the definition of justices.
[1:25:15] Speaker 3: What is the definition of just do you know what
[1:25:18] Speaker 3: it means? Display it that. I want to see what
[1:25:21] Speaker 3: the definition.
[1:25:22] Speaker 1: Of justice is when you get what you deserve, whether
[1:25:26] Speaker 1: it's good or bad, and typically it's proportionate.
[1:25:30] Speaker 3: Okay, So so that would be justice to me. And
[1:25:33] Speaker 3: I'm gonna tell you why it would.
[1:25:36] Speaker 1: Be just for your wife to get graped for your
[1:25:39] Speaker 1: your sin.
[1:25:40] Speaker 8: I'm gonna tell you, in the totality of things, it's
[1:25:43] Speaker 8: a shame this conversation started out so nicely and now
[1:25:46] Speaker 8: you're justifying grapes. But no, but no, it's not that
[1:25:50] Speaker 8: that would be a minuscule way to kind of uh
[1:25:55] Speaker 8: know what I'm saying.
[1:25:56] Speaker 1: Is this for for any of the women in the
[1:25:59] Speaker 1: audience right now now, I apologize if you were essayed,
[1:26:03] Speaker 1: what you went through is not minuscule. It shouldn't be
[1:26:06] Speaker 1: minimized what you went through.
[1:26:09] Speaker 3: No, you're you're you're minimizing it. But what I'm saying,
[1:26:14] Speaker 3: I'm certainly not saying. What I'm saying is this, And look,
[1:26:18] Speaker 3: I that is completely wrong. I'm gonna tell you what
[1:26:21] Speaker 3: I would do to someone that essays someone I honestly
[1:26:26] Speaker 3: think you should throw them off of a bridge into
[1:26:28] Speaker 3: a burning fire.
[1:26:30] Speaker 1: So I'm just what we should do to Yahweh, then
[1:26:33] Speaker 1: Yahweh should be thrown off a bridge into the fire.
[1:26:36] Speaker 3: Guess what that's Because I have a sensitive relationship to
[1:26:40] Speaker 3: my emotional connection to humans. I am speaking on the
[1:26:45] Speaker 3: fact that if I am a supreme being that created
[1:26:49] Speaker 3: millions and trillions of organisms, how do I not if
[1:26:55] Speaker 3: I have four kids and if I say, hey, if
[1:26:59] Speaker 3: if Tommy doesn't clean up his room, everybody's getting punished. Okay, okay,
[1:27:05] Speaker 3: so take this. Hey, everybody in the chat named Tommy. Sorry.
[1:27:09] Speaker 3: So what I'm saying is this, if you take simple,
[1:27:13] Speaker 3: simple things that we do that we don't mean any
[1:27:17] Speaker 3: actual harm to the other three children, but we're trying
[1:27:21] Speaker 3: to teach them a lesson. Let's not. I'm not speaking
[1:27:26] Speaker 3: as as myself. If I am a total supreme and
[1:27:31] Speaker 3: created all of the cosmos, the differences of essaying and
[1:27:36] Speaker 3: all of that stuff would be no different to me
[1:27:39] Speaker 3: than if I took and said, hey, if you don't
[1:27:42] Speaker 3: walk your sister home from school, then you're not gonna
[1:27:46] Speaker 3: have any TV for a month. Why. It's the same
[1:27:51] Speaker 3: way that when I walk on ants, I don't I
[1:27:55] Speaker 3: don't go home sad and it might sound harsh and cruel,
[1:27:59] Speaker 3: but we on a on a day to day basis,
[1:28:03] Speaker 3: we don't care about other organisms and things in that sense.
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: So if I don't know if you're tracking though, we're
[1:28:11] Speaker 1: talking about whether or not God is just right.
[1:28:13] Speaker 3: Now, I believe. I believe so because it's in the
[1:28:18] Speaker 3: same way we would group a group of people and
[1:28:22] Speaker 3: have them endure whatever they Your kid might cry if
[1:28:27] Speaker 3: you punish one all of them for what one of
[1:28:30] Speaker 3: them did. They might hate you. They might grow up
[1:28:33] Speaker 3: and say, but is it just my dad punished? But
[1:28:38] Speaker 3: is it just something? But you're as a father, as
[1:28:42] Speaker 3: a father, you're going to say, You're going to have
[1:28:45] Speaker 3: a justifiable conscious understanding.
[1:28:49] Speaker 1: Is it just to punish people who didn't do the
[1:28:53] Speaker 1: wrong thing?
[1:28:55] Speaker 3: He is punishing man kind? Yes, it's just becaukay.
[1:28:59] Speaker 1: So if you committed a sin, you'd be okay with
[1:29:01] Speaker 1: your son going to jail for you my.
[1:29:04] Speaker 3: Son, my son dies because of my sin based.
[1:29:10] Speaker 1: On I'm not asking about the biblical story. I'm asking
[1:29:13] Speaker 1: if a judge sent your child to prison for a
[1:29:16] Speaker 1: crime you committed, you'd be okay with that.
[1:29:18] Speaker 3: Guess what I think that that should be something that
[1:29:22] Speaker 3: is a part of the justice.
[1:29:25] Speaker 1: Why all right, Why I'm gonna I'm gonna awe that,
[1:29:28] Speaker 1: I'm gonna save you the embarrassment. Listen, I think deep
[1:29:33] Speaker 1: down you're probably You're probably a nice guy. You came
[1:29:36] Speaker 1: up here being respectful. We've had a good back and forth.
[1:29:40] Speaker 1: But I need you to pause and reflect. You're at
[1:29:44] Speaker 1: a point where if I let you keep talking, you're
[1:29:46] Speaker 1: gonna embarrass your mother and your father if they're still alive,
[1:29:49] Speaker 1: and I hope they're not watching this, So we got
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: to cut this thing off. I think you said everything
[1:29:56] Speaker 1: you need to say at this point. Anything else beyond this,
[1:29:59] Speaker 1: you're just you're gonna make it worse for yourself the
[1:30:01] Speaker 1: minute you say it's okay to lock up your own
[1:30:04] Speaker 1: children for crimes they never committed. I think we're done.
[1:30:07] Speaker 1: We're done. But look back at this conversation a week
[1:30:11] Speaker 1: from now, two weeks from now, and ask yourself, are
[1:30:13] Speaker 1: the things I'm saying crazy? Or am I coping to
[1:30:18] Speaker 1: justify the nonsense of the Bible, Because I think most
[1:30:21] Speaker 1: people here recognize that it's the latter of the two
[1:30:23] Speaker 1: triple cross. Thank you for being here. I appreciate the cordialness.
[1:30:26] Speaker 1: But we're gonna move on to the next guest. Thank you,
[1:30:29] Speaker 1: and there you go. I gotta be honest. I even
[1:30:33] Speaker 1: I was a little shocked how that call turned out.
[1:30:35] Speaker 1: I thought he was gonna be a nice, decent individual
[1:30:39] Speaker 1: based on the beginning of our conversation. I was baffled,
[1:30:45] Speaker 1: befuddled even that our conversation ended on him justifying grape
[1:30:50] Speaker 1: and punishing children for crimes they never committed. But what
[1:30:54] Speaker 1: are you gonna do? And when you're apologist, you either
[1:30:57] Speaker 1: concede or you dig it in your fields and say
[1:31:00] Speaker 1: horrible things. Saint Brush's challenge to the Christian moralistic slavery defenders,
[1:31:05] Speaker 1: when you start arguing on the ethics of slavery, do
[1:31:08] Speaker 1: it all in your best Southern accent. I would love that,
[1:31:11] Speaker 1: actually new rule, if you come up doing slavery apologetics,
[1:31:16] Speaker 1: use an accent and HAMI thank you so much for
[1:31:19] Speaker 1: the fight. Hours of protest, says Hi justin where does
[1:31:21] Speaker 1: this age of accountability come from? From what I gather,
[1:31:24] Speaker 1: I couldn't find scriptural evidence for it, so it's actually
[1:31:27] Speaker 1: pretty weak. The general idea is that we've got like
[1:31:31] Speaker 1: passages like we just read Second Samuel chapter twenty four,
[1:31:36] Speaker 1: and in Second Champter chapter twenty four, when David's child
[1:31:39] Speaker 1: is unalived, it's assumed that he went to a good
[1:31:43] Speaker 1: place because David says, you can't come back to me,
[1:31:47] Speaker 1: but I will go to you, meaning wherever David went
[1:31:50] Speaker 1: his son also is meaning it couldn't be in hell.
[1:31:53] Speaker 1: But there are better passages, I think. For example, the
[1:31:55] Speaker 1: most famous passage about Jesus, which isn't really about Jesus.
[1:32:00] Speaker 1: Isaiah chapter seven, verse fourteen talks about this child who's
[1:32:04] Speaker 1: about to be born, and he says, before the child
[1:32:08] Speaker 1: knows right from wrong, the two kings that you fear,
[1:32:12] Speaker 1: so on and so forth. Right. So the prophet is
[1:32:15] Speaker 1: suggesting that there is an age. We don't know what
[1:32:17] Speaker 1: the age is, but there is an age at which
[1:32:20] Speaker 1: somebody is they know right from wrong, they're able to
[1:32:23] Speaker 1: be held accountable for being right or wrong. It's probably
[1:32:27] Speaker 1: around twelve or thirteen in the ancient world, if I
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: had to put a guess on it. But the Bible
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: doesn't explicitly state, you know what I mean. We're not
[1:32:35] Speaker 1: really told explicitly if there's a specific age, or if
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: it's just kind of like a you look and observe
[1:32:45] Speaker 1: and see when they're matured global receive. Thank you so
[1:32:48] Speaker 1: much for the six sixty six hill Nero says, does
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: it scare you to know the amount of believers who
[1:32:53] Speaker 1: are ready to act on the day of the Lord? Actually,
[1:32:56] Speaker 1: that's a million percent the case that there are. There
[1:32:59] Speaker 1: are a lot of Christians right now that would literally
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: get up and do horrific things.
[1:33:04] Speaker 7: Good to see Aaron, Yeah, you two brother cocking cooking
[1:33:09] Speaker 7: is always huh.
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, thanks for being here. I'm going to grab
[1:33:12] Speaker 1: a couple more super chests. We'll get our next guest
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: in here. Marcus. I appreciate the two our super chest says,
[1:33:18] Speaker 1: who the f is Trent Horton? I think he meant
[1:33:20] Speaker 1: Trent Horn and I gotta be I don't even I
[1:33:23] Speaker 1: recognize the name. I don't even know who it is.
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: It must not be somebody. I mean, it's probably somebody
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: in the apologetic circles that he thinks is important but
[1:33:30] Speaker 1: meaningless to me. Oh, c thank you for joining the
[1:33:34] Speaker 1: Crack and Crew Elite and TMJ. Good to see again, friend.
[1:33:37] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the twenty dollars superchat as
[1:33:39] Speaker 1: A big w says, who was the king that was
[1:33:42] Speaker 1: exiled with the Judeans to Elephantine Island. What is the
[1:33:46] Speaker 1: Bible verse and is your lite king? I don't well.
[1:33:51] Speaker 1: First of all, I don't think Elephantine was an island,
[1:33:53] Speaker 1: was it?
[1:33:54] Speaker 3: Hold On?
[1:33:54] Speaker 1: I got questions now, I think you might be mixing.
[1:34:04] Speaker 1: Are you referring hold On? I don't know if he's
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: confusing Patmos with Elephantine. Elephantinees along the river along the
[1:34:14] Speaker 1: Nile River is certainly not an island. Jeremiah left and
[1:34:19] Speaker 1: went into Egypt during the Babylonian captivity. You might be
[1:34:24] Speaker 1: referring to that. But as for a king that was
[1:34:28] Speaker 1: exiled to Elephantine, I'm not aware of any because the
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: king I'm thinking of was exiled Jehoah him was exiled
[1:34:37] Speaker 1: over to Babylon before the line split. So I'm not
[1:34:41] Speaker 1: really sure. TMJ. I don't know if this is just
[1:34:45] Speaker 1: a badly worded question, but DM me on the discord.
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: I'd love to dig into this question a little bit
[1:34:51] Speaker 1: more and figure out if there's an answer to it.
[1:34:53] Speaker 1: I just may not have the question worded in a
[1:34:56] Speaker 1: way that I can actually appropriately answer. And Crypto says, well,
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: I tell you what, what's your favorite thing? To grill
[1:35:04] Speaker 1: hot Doug time, big W for hot dogs, don't forget
[1:35:07] Speaker 1: your ketchup, and yes we're not in Chicago. You can
[1:35:09] Speaker 1: put ketchup on your hot dogs. And Carnage is Sada.
[1:35:13] Speaker 3: Big W.
[1:35:13] Speaker 1: Good to see your friend. Thank you for the Supertesta's
[1:35:15] Speaker 1: happy Friday. Nothing clever to contribute, but super happy to
[1:35:19] Speaker 1: hear your exciting news. Live in the dream, Carnage, I
[1:35:22] Speaker 1: am living the dream friends, and you guys are making
[1:35:25] Speaker 1: it possible for me. We're going to be cooking as
[1:35:28] Speaker 1: much as possible. And Carson, thank you so much for
[1:35:31] Speaker 1: the fight. Doar supertestsays, what are your thoughts on ambitheism,
[1:35:36] Speaker 1: the idea that God both exists and doesn't exist simultaneously
[1:35:40] Speaker 1: and paradoxically. So I would agree with the paradoxical statement.
[1:35:44] Speaker 1: I don't know if something can exist and not exist
[1:35:46] Speaker 1: at the same time. I think that is a question
[1:35:49] Speaker 1: that quantum physics has dealt with a little bit. But
[1:35:52] Speaker 1: as far as I'm aware, it's just a logical contradiction,
[1:35:56] Speaker 1: and I don't as far as I can tell, logical
[1:35:57] Speaker 1: contradictions don't exist. And we've you've got a guy on
[1:36:00] Speaker 1: the stage with us now Aaron, who's pretty adept at philosophy. Aaron,
[1:36:04] Speaker 1: how do you think this pans out with the laws
[1:36:07] Speaker 1: of logic.
[1:36:11] Speaker 7: Ambitheism? Yeah, it exists and doesn't exist. There is a
[1:36:17] Speaker 7: position in philosophy known as dialetheism, which is basically the
[1:36:21] Speaker 7: statement or the assertion that logical contradictions can exist, but
[1:36:25] Speaker 7: they tend to narrow their scope of those positions, and
[1:36:29] Speaker 7: I've always found it very difficult to understand, you know,
[1:36:32] Speaker 7: how you could how you could justify like the idea
[1:36:35] Speaker 7: that it's raining outside and it's not raining outside, not
[1:36:38] Speaker 7: fixed to any context right, non contextually.
[1:36:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, so I can't make sense of something like that.
[1:36:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a weird one to me. Let me go
[1:36:48] Speaker 1: a couple more super chats and then we're going to
[1:36:50] Speaker 1: get our next guest in here and Aaron, are you
[1:36:52] Speaker 1: going to stay up and cook with me?
[1:36:54] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[1:36:55] Speaker 1: Awesome, Chip, thank you so much for the super chat.
[1:36:57] Speaker 1: Good to see your friend says heard the good news.
[1:36:59] Speaker 1: Congratulates and praise Doug rock Hard for Doug forever, keep
[1:37:02] Speaker 1: on cooking, Chef Justin Well, thank you so much, Chip
[1:37:05] Speaker 1: for supporting and we are going to cook. I even
[1:37:07] Speaker 1: got a chef's hat I got a chef's hat back
[1:37:09] Speaker 1: here we can wear and design says not employment with
[1:37:12] Speaker 1: beatings I know could even I still can't believe we
[1:37:16] Speaker 1: had a guest come up here and endorse beating your
[1:37:19] Speaker 1: employees all. Rather than just admitting that the Bible endorsed slavery,
[1:37:24] Speaker 1: he wanted to go full hog into you can beat
[1:37:26] Speaker 1: your employer or your employees and Larry, thank you for
[1:37:30] Speaker 1: sending out five dazy memberships. I super appreciate that, and artful,
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the six sixty six hail
[1:37:37] Speaker 1: Nero says Doug came to me in a dream last night.
[1:37:40] Speaker 1: I won't take his message for granted anymore. Never take
[1:37:43] Speaker 1: Doug for granted. I appreciate the sediment that you have
[1:37:46] Speaker 1: now in your heart for Doug. Never let it go
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: and remember to hold on to your hardest stone. Friends
[1:37:53] Speaker 1: and space Lord, thank you for the five dollars supertest,
[1:37:55] Speaker 1: says Hey, justin vestibular caloric stimulation, squirting cold water in
[1:38:00] Speaker 1: the ear can't affect paralysis awareness in people. The brain
[1:38:04] Speaker 1: is awesome. I didn't know that. I listen. Of the
[1:38:07] Speaker 1: many things I could have guessed in life, I would
[1:38:10] Speaker 1: not have guessed that injecting cold water into somebody's ear
[1:38:14] Speaker 1: could literally have an effect on somebody's actual paralysis, unless
[1:38:19] Speaker 1: we're talking about like a mental paralysis, not an actual
[1:38:22] Speaker 1: physical paralysis. But now I've got questions. I need to
[1:38:26] Speaker 1: do some science googling because that sounds wild. Marcus, my friend,
[1:38:31] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the ten dollar supertest, says,
[1:38:33] Speaker 1: have you ever encountered a good argument as to why
[1:38:35] Speaker 1: God didn't just write the Bible himself? He gave the
[1:38:38] Speaker 1: stone tablets to Moses supposedly. Is he just lazy? So
[1:38:42] Speaker 1: this is a really good question. Marcus and I don't
[1:38:44] Speaker 1: really touch on this one during our debates, but you're right.
[1:38:48] Speaker 1: God theoretically, with the finger of his hand wrote the
[1:38:50] Speaker 1: first set of tablets at least, And you might be wondering, like, Okay,
[1:38:54] Speaker 1: if God can do it, why wouldn't he just do
[1:38:57] Speaker 1: it for the whole Bible. Write it on like platinum plates,
[1:39:02] Speaker 1: some some form of metal that you couldn't have been
[1:39:04] Speaker 1: able to write on in ancient days. You can only
[1:39:06] Speaker 1: write on it in like the year twenty twenty five.
[1:39:09] Speaker 1: Make a completely a miraculous, unchangeable text, and then we
[1:39:15] Speaker 1: might have something more convincing than this nonsense that we
[1:39:18] Speaker 1: have in front of us. The Bible to me is
[1:39:20] Speaker 1: not if you're saying it's from God, is not convincing whatsoever.
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: And Jason, thank you so much for the supertest. Say's
[1:39:26] Speaker 1: great to catch a livestream in hail payment. Well, I'm
[1:39:29] Speaker 1: with you, hail payment. Thank you for being here, Thank
[1:39:32] Speaker 1: you for supporting. And Scotty, thank you so much for
[1:39:35] Speaker 1: the time that our supertest says I was gifted a
[1:39:37] Speaker 1: membership and wanted to pay it forward rock hard for Doug. Look,
[1:39:40] Speaker 1: this is why we have the deconstruction community has the
[1:39:43] Speaker 1: best people ever, the type of people that pay it forward.
[1:39:47] Speaker 1: This is the type of community we want to cultivate
[1:39:49] Speaker 1: where we take care of each other and pay things forward.
[1:39:52] Speaker 1: Big w Scotti for being thoughtful, and thank you for
[1:39:54] Speaker 1: whoever sent him a membership, probably Aaron. Aaron sent out
[1:39:58] Speaker 1: fifty of them, not that long ago. Stormchaser, Thank you
[1:40:01] Speaker 1: so much for the ten hour Superjet says I used
[1:40:03] Speaker 1: your ketchup bedsheet talking point yesterday and he deleted the comments.
[1:40:09] Speaker 1: Keep it up, man, Oh yeah, people love Deuteronomy twenty two.
[1:40:13] Speaker 1: When I first started talking about Deuteronomy twenty two, a
[1:40:15] Speaker 1: lot of people weren't talking about it. I'm tickled deep
[1:40:18] Speaker 1: inside to know that now it's become people's go to
[1:40:22] Speaker 1: talking points in some of these nonsense discussions, because it
[1:40:25] Speaker 1: needs to come up more often. Free Mason Pilot again,
[1:40:28] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the ten hour Superjet says
[1:40:29] Speaker 1: I have a theory what if the Bible takes place
[1:40:32] Speaker 1: post Ragnarok. Well, listen, Free Mason, what you said is
[1:40:36] Speaker 1: probably a really interesting idea. But I don't know what
[1:40:40] Speaker 1: Regnarok is, Aaron, do you know what that is?
[1:40:44] Speaker 7: Ragnarok is from. I believe it's from the Marvel.
[1:40:48] Speaker 1: That's why, guys, I'm a nerd. Like when I get
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: free time, I read books. I don't unfortunately, I don't
[1:40:54] Speaker 1: really watch movies. That's listen of my many personality characteristics.
[1:41:01] Speaker 1: You can just assume that I'm I'm boring when I'm
[1:41:04] Speaker 1: not doing when I'm not doing these debates, I'm doing
[1:41:06] Speaker 1: other boring stuff. I apologize. That's just my personality. Carlos,
[1:41:10] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the two hundred MX. He says, Hey, Justin, Hey, Justin, Justin,
[1:41:13] Speaker 1: It's Friday. Where's the crack and salude? Well, unfortunately I
[1:41:17] Speaker 1: can't have cracking until sundown.
[1:41:20] Speaker 3: I don't.
[1:41:21] Speaker 1: I love cracking my friends, but I don't do day drinking.
[1:41:25] Speaker 1: That's not my personality. So for some people alcohol is
[1:41:30] Speaker 1: an upper. For me, it's a downer. If I engage
[1:41:33] Speaker 1: in day drinking, I'm not making it to the evening.
[1:41:36] Speaker 1: I'm done, I'm passing out somewhere, I'm taking a nap.
[1:41:39] Speaker 1: You're not gonna hear from me for the rest of
[1:41:41] Speaker 1: the day. So sorry, Unfortunately it's too early for kracking.
[1:41:45] Speaker 1: But listen, Sunday night, when I'm live, I'll participate in
[1:41:49] Speaker 1: some cracking. And Jim says, have you ever have you
[1:41:52] Speaker 1: ever we had a talk with the bad apologist Big
[1:41:55] Speaker 1: John stuff? Have I ever talked to Bjay? I haven't yet.
[1:41:59] Speaker 1: I actually was a tempting to set up a debate
[1:42:02] Speaker 1: with Big John Steele a partner and also Josh Bowen,
[1:42:07] Speaker 1: so we were gonna have a foursome and we couldn't
[1:42:10] Speaker 1: make it happen. So for whatever reason, you know, we'll
[1:42:15] Speaker 1: have to table it for later. But that being said,
[1:42:18] Speaker 1: I mean from a personality standpoint, I've watched Big John before.
[1:42:22] Speaker 1: He seems like a likable person like, he doesn't seem
[1:42:26] Speaker 1: like he's being a jerk. He's just doing what apologists do.
[1:42:30] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? So, like, hats off to
[1:42:33] Speaker 1: Big John Steele for having a calm head typically like
[1:42:37] Speaker 1: I've never seen him just like go off and like
[1:42:41] Speaker 1: berate somebody on his livestream for no reason, which that
[1:42:44] Speaker 1: does happen sometime. So like he's no Q top right,
[1:42:48] Speaker 1: Q Top's insane, madman. But Big John, you know, listen,
[1:42:52] Speaker 1: he's just doing what a pow we just do. I
[1:42:53] Speaker 1: get it, I used to do it, he says. I
[1:42:55] Speaker 1: find his arguments to be reductive and always dishonest to
[1:42:58] Speaker 1: the text. Well, first of all, I agree Big John
[1:43:00] Speaker 1: relies more on like pseudo philosophy than the biblical text,
[1:43:03] Speaker 1: which is why it'll always fail because pseudo philosophy doesn't
[1:43:07] Speaker 1: make the problems of the text go away. And Jake,
[1:43:10] Speaker 1: my friend from Exus, brother's good to see it in
[1:43:12] Speaker 1: the house, Thank you so much for the twenty hour supertest, says,
[1:43:14] Speaker 1: happy birthday, another trip around the sun. Praise like we
[1:43:17] Speaker 1: made it with the power of the rock. I got
[1:43:20] Speaker 1: one more year on the rock. My feet are firmly
[1:43:23] Speaker 1: planning on Doug. Thank you so much, Jake, And let
[1:43:25] Speaker 1: we grab just two more superchests, free Mason come in
[1:43:28] Speaker 1: in again. Thank you so much for the ten dollars.
[1:43:29] Speaker 1: Supertest says paying a minimum wage is like an old
[1:43:32] Speaker 1: man dating an eighteen year old. Sure, it's legal, but
[1:43:37] Speaker 1: if it were for the law, they pay lefts if
[1:43:39] Speaker 1: it weren't for the law. So there's a phrase for
[1:43:42] Speaker 1: this where I come from. It's called we say lawful
[1:43:47] Speaker 1: but awful. That's when things is like, you're allowed to
[1:43:52] Speaker 1: do it by law, technically you're allowed to do it,
[1:43:54] Speaker 1: but it's still horrific. We call that lawful but awful.
[1:43:59] Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree, Yeah, minimum wage is one of
[1:44:02] Speaker 1: those things that are lawful but awful. We should have
[1:44:04] Speaker 1: a higher minimum wage. It should be pegged to inflation,
[1:44:08] Speaker 1: and we should stop having these dumb bickering matches back
[1:44:10] Speaker 1: and forth about whether or not we should raise a
[1:44:12] Speaker 1: minium wage. Parker, thank you for the supertest, says I
[1:44:15] Speaker 1: heard and apologetic that to completely destroy is just war rhetoric.
[1:44:20] Speaker 1: That Saw didn't actually wipe out all the Amalekites because
[1:44:23] Speaker 1: they still existed in for Samuel thirty thoughts. Thanks man
[1:44:26] Speaker 1: well Parker. So my thought and I agree with the
[1:44:29] Speaker 1: scholars that the fact that the Amalekites show up later,
[1:44:32] Speaker 1: isn't evidence that they weren't completely destroyed. It's evidence that
[1:44:36] Speaker 1: the Bible is full of anachronisms. And being that I've
[1:44:39] Speaker 1: got lots of examples of anachronisms means that I'm on
[1:44:43] Speaker 1: from putting there. That being said, it's not completely untrue.
[1:44:49] Speaker 1: Hiography in the ancient Near East was pretty common. So
[1:44:53] Speaker 1: like if you read the war annals of the Assyrians
[1:44:55] Speaker 1: and Babylonians, they do something similar. Even the Egyptians do
[1:44:58] Speaker 1: it where they they talk about their post war exploits
[1:45:03] Speaker 1: as completely destroying another nation, they'll never see the light
[1:45:07] Speaker 1: of day again, and then of course you know ten
[1:45:08] Speaker 1: years later they're backed. Right, So there's that kind of thing.
[1:45:11] Speaker 1: But to me that that's not important, right because whether
[1:45:15] Speaker 1: or not the Israelites were embellishing what they did is irrelevant.
[1:45:19] Speaker 1: The problem is that God told them to do it.
[1:45:22] Speaker 1: That God said, go and kill all the babies and
[1:45:24] Speaker 1: the infants, and the sheep, cammel and donkeys. The fact
[1:45:28] Speaker 1: that God those words left God's mouth is a problem.
[1:45:30] Speaker 1: And you might say, well, they didn't kill everybody. I
[1:45:33] Speaker 1: don't care if they only killed one baby's one baby?
[1:45:35] Speaker 1: Too many it's irrelevant if they killed all of the
[1:45:38] Speaker 1: babies or five of the babies. It's horrific every way
[1:45:41] Speaker 1: you slice it, pun intended. All right, let's get our
[1:45:44] Speaker 1: next guest in here. I don't know if anyone caught
[1:45:47] Speaker 1: that one. We're gonna get simply ask Lauren with us.
[1:45:51] Speaker 1: How you doing? Lauren? Hi?
[1:45:54] Speaker 3: All right?
[1:45:54] Speaker 6: Can you hear me?
[1:45:55] Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I can hear you. How you doing? Are
[1:45:57] Speaker 1: you at least eighteen? Are you a believer?
[1:45:59] Speaker 6: I am? I am play six and I am a believer?
[1:46:02] Speaker 3: Cool?
[1:46:04] Speaker 1: Sure, I mean I appreciate you clarifying because that would
[1:46:08] Speaker 1: have been my next question.
[1:46:10] Speaker 6: Yeah, sorry, thanks for having me on. First of all,
[1:46:13] Speaker 6: I just wanted to address a couple of the things
[1:46:16] Speaker 6: that were said by some of the previous guests, if
[1:46:19] Speaker 6: that's okay. I just wanted to say that I was
[1:46:24] Speaker 6: listening in on the conversation with I think you were
[1:46:28] Speaker 6: talking about David and Nathan and the prophecy and God commanding.
[1:46:33] Speaker 6: I think you were saying, I don't know what's allowed
[1:46:36] Speaker 6: to say on TikTok, but you know, the conversation that
[1:46:37] Speaker 6: I'm trying to talk about is avoiding those keywords. I
[1:46:42] Speaker 6: was just going to say that this specific passage, Nathan
[1:46:48] Speaker 6: was a prophet at the time, right, So this is
[1:46:51] Speaker 6: a prophecy to David, not a command directly from God
[1:46:56] Speaker 6: commanding them to do that to those women. It's a
[1:46:58] Speaker 6: prophecy for me.
[1:47:00] Speaker 1: I didn't say that it was a command.
[1:47:02] Speaker 6: Right, I know, but I think that the guy did.
[1:47:04] Speaker 6: Before he was saying that. It was like why would
[1:47:07] Speaker 6: God allow or actually not allowed. It was saying why
[1:47:10] Speaker 6: would God tell people to do that to the wives?
[1:47:15] Speaker 6: Like why would they be taken and all of that.
[1:47:17] Speaker 1: It's a prophet, it says he causes it.
[1:47:21] Speaker 6: Let's I have to read. I'll pull it up with it.
[1:47:24] Speaker 6: Thank you.
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: And second Samuel, sorry, I typoed. It should be twenty four,
[1:47:28] Speaker 1: not fourteen. It's name twenty four.
[1:47:32] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:47:32] Speaker 6: It says that of your own household, I'm going to
[1:47:34] Speaker 6: bring calamity on you before your very eyes. I will
[1:47:36] Speaker 6: take your wives and give them to one who is
[1:47:38] Speaker 6: close to you, and he will sleep with your wives
[1:47:40] Speaker 6: in broad daylight. That's the verse, right. Eleven.
[1:47:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, so God says I'm the one doing it.
[1:47:45] Speaker 1: I'm the one raising up trouble, right, So he's not
[1:47:49] Speaker 1: saying it like that.
[1:47:50] Speaker 6: I can understand why you read it that way, But
[1:47:52] Speaker 6: he's talking about.
[1:47:53] Speaker 1: Me, Dron, It's that's what it says, right.
[1:47:56] Speaker 6: So in Second Samuel sixteen twenty two, Absolom sleeps with
[1:47:59] Speaker 6: his father concubines on the roof in the Palace of Jerusalem.
[1:48:02] Speaker 6: So it's a prophecy in the side of Israel that
[1:48:04] Speaker 6: later comes to him being. Essentially, that's what's happening, right,
[1:48:08] Speaker 6: And it was a punishment, Well, it was something that
[1:48:12] Speaker 6: Absolom did.
[1:48:13] Speaker 1: Not God. It was a punishment.
[1:48:16] Speaker 6: It is punishment by Absolom because it's embarrassing his father.
[1:48:19] Speaker 1: So punishment by God.
[1:48:23] Speaker 6: Are you implying that God forced Absolom to do that
[1:48:25] Speaker 6: or what do you mean by that?
[1:48:26] Speaker 1: I'm saying he inspired it, forced it, whatever you want
[1:48:30] Speaker 1: to call it. God is the one that caused it
[1:48:31] Speaker 1: to happen. God says, you did this thing secretly, but
[1:48:36] Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it openly.
[1:48:41] Speaker 6: So I think that because God already knows that it's
[1:48:44] Speaker 6: going to happen, because theoretically that he's omnipocent, omnipoenent yea
[1:48:47] Speaker 6: can speak, he knows all right, So I think that
[1:48:50] Speaker 6: he already knows this is going to happen, and in
[1:48:52] Speaker 6: the sense that his son is from the bloodline that
[1:48:54] Speaker 6: he's from, it's like he's prophifying that. But I guess
[1:48:57] Speaker 6: if you want to say that he put it in
[1:48:58] Speaker 6: his head as if that's your argument, Like, maybe I.
[1:49:01] Speaker 1: Can understand that, But it's not a punishment if God
[1:49:04] Speaker 1: didn't do it.
[1:49:06] Speaker 6: It can be because it's like if your kids embarrass
[1:49:09] Speaker 6: you publicly, that can feel like a punishment based on
[1:49:11] Speaker 6: the sin that you did privately.
[1:49:13] Speaker 1: No, so if if God knew it was going to
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: happen regardless, right, if the thing was only ever going
[1:49:19] Speaker 1: to happen because he knew Absalom was going to do it,
[1:49:23] Speaker 1: then it's not a punishment for David's sin.
[1:49:29] Speaker 6: I see, I see what you're saying. But I think
[1:49:31] Speaker 6: that it just happens to be like the plan based
[1:49:32] Speaker 6: on what it is, like he already had the punishment
[1:49:34] Speaker 6: in line because he already knew the sin was going
[1:49:36] Speaker 6: to happen, and so the punishment came because of them.
[1:49:38] Speaker 1: If David didn't sin with Bathsheba, would this event still
[1:49:42] Speaker 1: have happened.
[1:49:43] Speaker 6: That's a great question. I obviously I can't.
[1:49:46] Speaker 1: Answer that, but the answer is no. The answer is no,
[1:49:50] Speaker 1: because it's a it's a punishment.
[1:49:52] Speaker 6: The fact that he had. Did he not have also
[1:49:53] Speaker 6: multiple wives that he wasn't supposed to have as well?
[1:49:56] Speaker 1: Oh no, you're allowed to have multiple wives. The Bible
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: just says do not have a multiplicity of wives, which
[1:50:01] Speaker 1: is like an idiom for having a lot of wives.
[1:50:04] Speaker 1: But there's no there's no like text in the Bible
[1:50:07] Speaker 1: that gives you a specific number, like is ten too many?
[1:50:10] Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not really told.
[1:50:12] Speaker 6: Well, the Bible says it's supposed to between one man
[1:50:14] Speaker 6: and one woman, So I feel like that part.
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: No, it certainly doesn't.
[1:50:18] Speaker 6: Well, we see characters not follow that, and we see
[1:50:21] Speaker 6: characters have multiple wives. But just because characters in the
[1:50:24] Speaker 6: Bible do things doesn't mean that it's correct in the
[1:50:26] Speaker 6: same way.
[1:50:27] Speaker 1: God commands them that have multiple wives. Where oh yeah,
[1:50:31] Speaker 1: both in Deuteronomy twenty five and Exus twenty one, God
[1:50:34] Speaker 1: gives laws for having multiple multiple wives. Deuteronomy twenty five specifically, Well.
[1:50:42] Speaker 6: That's the mosaic law. I'm not saying that. So this
[1:50:46] Speaker 6: also brings up the other point that I was gonna
[1:50:48] Speaker 6: talk about. But I can address this first. I'm not
[1:50:50] Speaker 6: an expert in this specific thing, because i'd have to
[1:50:52] Speaker 6: actually pull up that verse, and I'm trying not to
[1:50:55] Speaker 6: pull things out of context, but I think this is
[1:50:58] Speaker 6: more guidance based on what there are already doing.
[1:51:01] Speaker 1: What was the verse he said, So God gave them
[1:51:03] Speaker 1: laws to do the stuff they were already doing.
[1:51:06] Speaker 6: No, No, there were laws in place, mosaic laws to
[1:51:11] Speaker 6: govern what was happening and what was culturally going on
[1:51:14] Speaker 6: at the time. So for example, I know y'all were
[1:51:16] Speaker 6: talking about slavery earlier, so I just you were right
[1:51:20] Speaker 6: when you said that there were different types of both
[1:51:23] Speaker 6: servants and slaves, So you were mentioning how there was
[1:51:27] Speaker 6: like indentured servitude and then there was also slavery, and
[1:51:30] Speaker 6: the slavery specifically it kind of came from more so
[1:51:34] Speaker 6: like the foreign concept of slavery, and that happens in Leviticus,
[1:51:37] Speaker 6: but in Deuteronomy. The first verse that y'all talked about
[1:51:40] Speaker 6: from my memory was Deuteronomy, and it was in chapter fifteen.
[1:51:43] Speaker 1: So God gave laws according to the foreign nations.
[1:51:47] Speaker 6: So talking about specifically slavery and Deuteronomy fifteen, he's talking
[1:51:52] Speaker 6: about the people of Israel, and he says that those
[1:51:57] Speaker 6: people at the time, if you committed a crime or
[1:52:02] Speaker 6: if this is people were talking about, if you committed
[1:52:04] Speaker 6: a crime, or if you were in debt, you could
[1:52:07] Speaker 6: choose to sell yourselves as servants. And then that those
[1:52:09] Speaker 6: are the people that got the six years. Right, if
[1:52:13] Speaker 6: you're an Israelite, right, they own you for life. So
[1:52:18] Speaker 6: as a foreigner in Leviticus, that's what you're talking about,
[1:52:21] Speaker 6: he's talking.
[1:52:22] Speaker 1: You're right.
[1:52:23] Speaker 6: He does say that they can have you for life.
[1:52:25] Speaker 6: And the alternative to those people, they didn't have any land.
[1:52:28] Speaker 6: They came from another place where they were also slaves,
[1:52:30] Speaker 6: and they were.
[1:52:31] Speaker 1: Not didn't any land.
[1:52:33] Speaker 6: So the people, how do I know that because they
[1:52:38] Speaker 6: came from the foreign, a foreign land surrounding Israel as slaves.
[1:52:41] Speaker 1: Didn't say that.
[1:52:43] Speaker 3: Yes, let me show it to me.
[1:52:46] Speaker 6: Yeah, oneid, that's a pull it up because a lot
[1:52:55] Speaker 6: of the land. Let's see if I can find let
[1:52:56] Speaker 6: me see if it does save verbatim.
[1:52:58] Speaker 1: It doesn't say it. I'll just touch off past. It
[1:53:00] Speaker 1: doesn't okay, It doesn't make any statement as to how
[1:53:04] Speaker 1: the slaves became slaves, because God doesn't care how they
[1:53:07] Speaker 1: became slaves. He only cares that you're allowed to own them.
[1:53:10] Speaker 1: For a particular time period, and according to the Bible,
[1:53:12] Speaker 1: you can own them for life. You can also own
[1:53:14] Speaker 1: for life the children that are born into slavery.
[1:53:16] Speaker 2: I'm sorry.
[1:53:17] Speaker 6: I'm sorry. It says from them, implying, like the in
[1:53:21] Speaker 6: verse forty four, from the nations that are around you.
[1:53:23] Speaker 6: From them, you may buy male and female slaves. So
[1:53:26] Speaker 6: they were already slaves in the lands among them.
[1:53:28] Speaker 1: That's the point that it doesn't. First of all, it
[1:53:30] Speaker 1: doesn't specifically say only people that are already slaves, because
[1:53:34] Speaker 1: we see in Deuteronomy that you can kidnap people from
[1:53:38] Speaker 1: those towns. So there's you can get slaves through war,
[1:53:42] Speaker 1: you can get slaves through birth, you can get slaves
[1:53:44] Speaker 1: through acquiring them. They could be paying out.
[1:53:48] Speaker 6: Talking about the difference between like if somebody if a
[1:53:51] Speaker 6: land is overtaken versus if it already exists.
[1:53:54] Speaker 1: Both in both instances you can make slaves. But I
[1:53:57] Speaker 1: don't really care how they became a slave. The fact
[1:54:00] Speaker 1: that God says you can own a slave for life,
[1:54:02] Speaker 1: I think is silly.
[1:54:05] Speaker 6: I understand your point of view. I am just saying
[1:54:09] Speaker 6: that at the time, and this is going to sound
[1:54:12] Speaker 6: strange when I say it, But at the time slaves.
[1:54:15] Speaker 6: In this particular verse, it's talking about slaves that were
[1:54:17] Speaker 6: already slaves in other lands, and he's just saying that
[1:54:20] Speaker 6: you can buy male and female slaves from them. It
[1:54:22] Speaker 6: doesn't mean that they were legally acquired or anything like that.
[1:54:25] Speaker 1: And you could buy you could buy children, like somebody
[1:54:28] Speaker 1: can sell you their children as slaves.
[1:54:31] Speaker 6: In that's a separate verse.
[1:54:32] Speaker 1: But in same verse we'll go through children.
[1:54:37] Speaker 6: Come in verse forty five.
[1:54:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know exactly. You could just buy children as slaves,
[1:54:41] Speaker 1: I know, right.
[1:54:42] Speaker 6: So in forty four, well, I'll get to forty five,
[1:54:44] Speaker 6: But in forty four it's talking about you can buy
[1:54:47] Speaker 6: male and female slaves from nations surrounding Israel. My point
[1:54:50] Speaker 6: is that the slavery that they would experience in the
[1:54:54] Speaker 6: surrounding nations. And I understand your argument is that no
[1:54:57] Speaker 6: slavery is good. I am just saying that the slavery
[1:54:59] Speaker 6: and the surrounding nations at the time was Parambe's law,
[1:55:02] Speaker 6: I believe, is what it's called. Yes, is what I meant,
[1:55:07] Speaker 6: not the grula. Sorry I always mixed it up. It
[1:55:11] Speaker 6: was Hammarabe's law and they were treated very, very poorly
[1:55:15] Speaker 6: most most of the time. I'm sure there's exceptions. How
[1:55:18] Speaker 6: do you know that, because in that law which was
[1:55:21] Speaker 6: followed most frequently, they had allowed me pull it.
[1:55:27] Speaker 1: Up, So I've got hammer Rabbi's law code. By the
[1:55:30] Speaker 1: time this was being written him Rabbi wasn't completely being practiced.
[1:55:34] Speaker 1: Right now, we're probably referring to the to the Assyrian
[1:55:38] Speaker 1: law code.
[1:55:41] Speaker 6: Regardless, slaves really weren't held in the highest regard and
[1:55:43] Speaker 6: they weren't treated very properly.
[1:55:45] Speaker 1: Well, they were treated like slaves, just like the Bible
[1:55:48] Speaker 1: tells you to treat them.
[1:55:49] Speaker 6: Well, no, that's where we maybe disagree.
[1:55:53] Speaker 1: Well, the Bible says you can beat your slaves, and
[1:55:56] Speaker 1: you can treat them harshly.
[1:55:58] Speaker 6: The Bible says not to spare the rod, but it
[1:56:00] Speaker 6: also says the same thing in redonds to children. But
[1:56:02] Speaker 6: the rod is a symbolic has a symbolic meaning a
[1:56:05] Speaker 6: rod and a staff is something that God also guides
[1:56:08] Speaker 6: us with.
[1:56:09] Speaker 1: Christian do you think it was okay to beat slaves?
[1:56:12] Speaker 6: The Bible says, specifically, it's really clear on how to
[1:56:15] Speaker 6: treat slaves that you're not supposed to treat them, You're
[1:56:18] Speaker 6: not supposed to mistreat them. You're supposed to.
[1:56:21] Speaker 3: It.
[1:56:22] Speaker 6: Does it says all these tabs, man, I wish I
[1:56:32] Speaker 6: had marked these.
[1:56:35] Speaker 1: I get those Bible tabs.
[1:56:38] Speaker 6: I know well, I was looking at the original Hebrew too.
[1:56:40] Speaker 6: I like that you did that earlier because I like
[1:56:41] Speaker 6: to do that as well. It was super important to
[1:56:43] Speaker 6: look at the actual terminology of what's being said.
[1:56:46] Speaker 1: It can help, but I mean, it just.
[1:56:49] Speaker 6: Goes across the entire Bible in general. But I will
[1:56:52] Speaker 6: find if I can find it verse. If I don't
[1:56:54] Speaker 6: find it at this moment, I'll find it. Probably put
[1:56:55] Speaker 6: it in the comments if I can. But they're the
[1:57:00] Speaker 6: Bible talks about treating your slaves and all of these
[1:57:03] Speaker 6: these rules that the slaves get in general in Israel
[1:57:06] Speaker 6: and the servants in Israel. They're foreign concepts to people
[1:57:09] Speaker 6: at the time. Like it's easy for us to look
[1:57:11] Speaker 6: at slavery. So like the idea that you get to
[1:57:16] Speaker 6: for the Israelite slaves, for example, the idea that you
[1:57:18] Speaker 6: get to get paid after you leave for the six years,
[1:57:21] Speaker 6: or the idea that you even can leave for the
[1:57:24] Speaker 6: six years, or the idea that you're not supposed to
[1:57:26] Speaker 6: be a slaver in the.
[1:57:28] Speaker 1: Hammer Abbi law code. You could go free in your
[1:57:30] Speaker 1: fourth year.
[1:57:33] Speaker 6: But you just said they didn't follow that law.
[1:57:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm no, I'm using the law that you're comparing
[1:57:38] Speaker 1: the Bible to. You're the one comparing it to the
[1:57:40] Speaker 1: law code of the Engineer East, and in the Ancienteer East,
[1:57:43] Speaker 1: quite often you didn't have to serve for full six years.
[1:57:45] Speaker 1: You can serve for only three years.
[1:57:49] Speaker 6: So then it wasn't true slavery. It was servitude.
[1:57:52] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was in desured servitude.
[1:57:54] Speaker 6: If you're an Israelite, it's not slavery, though you can't
[1:57:56] Speaker 6: compare in.
[1:57:57] Speaker 1: If you're an Israelite. That was slaves Israelites, it's not
[1:58:01] Speaker 1: for foreigners.
[1:58:03] Speaker 6: Do you feel like Israelite slaves at the time were
[1:58:05] Speaker 6: treated harsher than slaves from surrounding environments.
[1:58:09] Speaker 1: No, I think they were treated roughly the same.
[1:58:14] Speaker 6: Let me see if I can find the bus. Because
[1:58:17] Speaker 6: the entire Bible itself talks a lot about like how
[1:58:19] Speaker 6: to treat others, right, Like it talks about treating others
[1:58:21] Speaker 6: better than we treat ourselves. But those are key points in.
[1:58:24] Speaker 1: The Bible, but doesn't say anything about how to treat
[1:58:26] Speaker 1: your slaves.
[1:58:28] Speaker 6: Well, they are others, so why should have to specify specifically.
[1:58:33] Speaker 1: Of the foreign slaves. God specifically says you can treat
[1:58:36] Speaker 1: them harshly, says you may keep them as a possession
[1:58:38] Speaker 1: for your children after you for them to inherit as property.
[1:58:42] Speaker 1: These you may treat as slaves, But as for your
[1:58:44] Speaker 1: fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over the other with harshness.
[1:58:48] Speaker 1: So they're saying, these foreign slaves, you can treat them harshly,
[1:58:52] Speaker 1: just not your fellow Israelites.
[1:59:00] Speaker 6: Maybe Colassians for.
[1:59:03] Speaker 1: You probably want Ephesians chapter six when Paul says to
[1:59:06] Speaker 1: treat your slaves fairly the same.
[1:59:08] Speaker 6: Way Lasians for masters, provide your slaves with what is
[1:59:12] Speaker 6: right and fair, because you know that you also have
[1:59:14] Speaker 6: a master in heaven. Yes, so what it's also you
[1:59:17] Speaker 6: could use Ephesians for so those two would be good.
[1:59:20] Speaker 1: Versus did Moses give them Ephesians?
[1:59:25] Speaker 6: That came later?
[1:59:27] Speaker 1: Okay? So between so between Moses and Ephesians, what what
[1:59:32] Speaker 1: was dictating how they treat their slaves.
[1:59:35] Speaker 6: The rest of the law that pertained to everything and
[1:59:38] Speaker 6: the relationship with God, God's character and the ten Commandments
[1:59:41] Speaker 6: as well.
[1:59:42] Speaker 1: Well. The law said you can beat your slaves and
[1:59:44] Speaker 1: treat them harshly.
[1:59:46] Speaker 6: The law says that you can discipline your slaves, that
[1:59:49] Speaker 6: you should and if it actually prevented harsh we should
[1:59:53] Speaker 6: have just like every law should theoretically, but it says
[1:59:56] Speaker 6: that you can't. It was the first protective measure that
[1:59:59] Speaker 6: slaves really had.
[2:00:00] Speaker 1: Essentially, that's not true at all.
[2:00:02] Speaker 7: Law.
[2:00:02] Speaker 6: Well, where's the other laws in other Can you show
[2:00:05] Speaker 6: me another law in another nation at the time that
[2:00:07] Speaker 6: had any regulation for slavery other than like setting them free,
[2:00:11] Speaker 6: but like beating them wise?
[2:00:13] Speaker 1: Uh No, there's almost no nation that tells you like
[2:00:17] Speaker 1: how much you can beat them, or like under what
[2:00:20] Speaker 1: circumstances you can beat them. There are specific law codes
[2:00:23] Speaker 1: on what to do, like if a slave is caught stealing,
[2:00:26] Speaker 1: there's law codes for that. But again, the Bible doesn't
[2:00:31] Speaker 1: prohibit you from beating your slaves severely. Have you read
[2:00:34] Speaker 1: Excess twenty one.
[2:00:35] Speaker 6: Yes, it doesn't say it. I think in Exodus twenty
[2:00:38] Speaker 6: one it does.
[2:00:40] Speaker 1: Exceses twenty one twenty through twenty one literally says when
[2:00:44] Speaker 1: a slave owner strikes a male or female slave with
[2:00:47] Speaker 1: a rod and the slave is unalived immediately, the owner
[2:00:50] Speaker 1: shall be punished If the slave survives for a day
[2:00:53] Speaker 1: or two there's no punishment because the slave is the
[2:00:56] Speaker 1: owner's property. So if you accidentally unlive your slave because
[2:01:00] Speaker 1: you beat them so severely, then you're not gonna get
[2:01:04] Speaker 1: punished for it. There's only three prohibitions against beating your slaves. One,
[2:01:09] Speaker 1: you can't immediately kill them, like you can't just go
[2:01:11] Speaker 1: out and murder your Hebrew slave. Number two. Number two,
[2:01:15] Speaker 1: you can't knock out their eyes or their teeth because
[2:01:18] Speaker 1: they need that for survival, right.
[2:01:22] Speaker 6: And that's like, I mean, I guess if you want to,
[2:01:24] Speaker 6: you don't want to pick and pull it, but I
[2:01:26] Speaker 6: would say that would probably imply the mistreatment would be
[2:01:29] Speaker 6: not a good good thing, right, And we see that,
[2:01:32] Speaker 6: and I guess my example for that.
[2:01:34] Speaker 1: Well, if you're Hebrew, are one more time if you're Hebrew.
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: So Exus twenty one, remember Exus twenty one is regulating
[2:01:41] Speaker 1: the treatment of Hebrew slaves.
[2:01:43] Speaker 6: They shouldn't be Yeah, but God uh multiple times in
[2:01:46] Speaker 6: the Old Testament there shouldn't be a different the differentiation
[2:01:51] Speaker 6: when it comes to the treatment of others. The difference
[2:01:54] Speaker 6: particular case where Hebrew slaves can leave after six years,
[2:01:58] Speaker 6: there is that, but that's because they probably depending on
[2:02:02] Speaker 6: why they became slavery a slave in the first place.
[2:02:05] Speaker 1: It foreigners. Foreigners are given a different law code altogether
[2:02:09] Speaker 1: than the natives. So, for example, when lending money right,
[2:02:13] Speaker 1: you can't charge interest when you lend money to an Israelite.
[2:02:16] Speaker 1: You can charge interests when you lend money to a foreigner.
[2:02:20] Speaker 1: If you own a foreigner slave, they're your slave for life.
[2:02:23] Speaker 1: When you own a Hebrew slave, they are typically your
[2:02:26] Speaker 1: slave for seven years or six years.
[2:02:28] Speaker 6: And the foreigners residing in the Israelite community didn't have
[2:02:32] Speaker 6: any land or anywhere else to go. If they were
[2:02:35] Speaker 6: slaves from somewhere else, they wouldn't have had any of
[2:02:38] Speaker 6: those things to go back to, so.
[2:02:41] Speaker 1: You could keep a case.
[2:02:42] Speaker 6: I think that's the law. Now this may be the
[2:02:44] Speaker 6: way that I read it, But when I read that,
[2:02:47] Speaker 6: why do you think that's not the case? You think
[2:02:48] Speaker 6: that their their community where they were slaves, would just
[2:02:51] Speaker 6: give them land when.
[2:02:52] Speaker 1: They came back, or so You're you're assuming two things.
[2:02:55] Speaker 1: One that the foreigner who becomes a slave just doesn't
[2:02:59] Speaker 1: have anything. The second assumption that you're making is that
[2:03:02] Speaker 1: that matters, which it doesn't, by the way, doesn't it
[2:03:06] Speaker 1: doesn't matter if they own anything they should still be
[2:03:08] Speaker 1: able to go free. Jacob didn't own anything when he left,
[2:03:12] Speaker 1: but the Bible should heave.
[2:03:15] Speaker 6: The Bible says that if a slave runs away, that
[2:03:18] Speaker 6: you have to just let him go.
[2:03:20] Speaker 1: No, it definitely doesn't say that because Deuteronomy twenty three fifteen,
[2:03:24] Speaker 1: and your translation is lying to you if it says that, you're.
[2:03:29] Speaker 6: Saying it's twenty three fifteen. Let me see. I that's
[2:03:31] Speaker 6: where I'm looking too many time.
[2:03:38] Speaker 7: Justin the other thing I'm thinking about here in this
[2:03:40] Speaker 7: situation is that you have an alleged all powerful God
[2:03:43] Speaker 7: who has all options available, and he goes out of
[2:03:46] Speaker 7: his way, allegedly in Leviticus eleven to say what fish
[2:03:50] Speaker 7: you can eat and leave a bunch of other fish,
[2:03:53] Speaker 7: and he says all this stuff about fish and so
[2:03:55] Speaker 7: forth and shell fish or whatever. You can't just say,
[2:03:58] Speaker 7: don't own other people as property and treat people very well.
[2:04:03] Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, So for example, if well, multiple times, well,
[2:04:06] Speaker 1: he doesn't say anything about doing that to your slaves.
[2:04:09] Speaker 1: If God said, listen, when you buy a foreign slave,
[2:04:12] Speaker 1: make them serve for six years, and in the seventh year,
[2:04:16] Speaker 1: send them free, just like a Hebrew slave. If that's
[2:04:19] Speaker 1: what the book said, we wouldn't be having this conversation.
[2:04:22] Speaker 1: But that's not what the book says. If the book
[2:04:24] Speaker 1: says that you can beat them, you can treat them harshly,
[2:04:26] Speaker 1: and you can own them for life.
[2:04:30] Speaker 6: It does where does this they treat them harshly?
[2:04:32] Speaker 1: I just read to you. It's verse forty six, levidg
[2:04:37] Speaker 1: Is twenty five forty six.
[2:04:39] Speaker 6: This is okay. So Deuteronomy is Deuteronomy fifteen sixteen that
[2:04:44] Speaker 6: you just mentioned a second ago. You were talking about
[2:04:46] Speaker 6: like it has taken red. That's about a slave that
[2:04:49] Speaker 6: ran away from somewhere else.
[2:04:50] Speaker 1: Juteronomy twenty three is the one I'm just referring to.
[2:04:53] Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's a different context. I see
[2:04:56] Speaker 6: what you're saying. It's not a different context. That's not
[2:04:58] Speaker 6: what I was talking about.
[2:05:00] Speaker 1: There's not a single passage in the Hebrew Bible that
[2:05:04] Speaker 1: addresses runaway Hebrew slaves.
[2:05:09] Speaker 6: Yeah, I see what you're saying. That's what I'm saying.
[2:05:11] Speaker 6: I understand your verse.
[2:05:15] Speaker 7: But the other point is that the other point here,
[2:05:17] Speaker 7: of course, the art for arching theme is that this
[2:05:20] Speaker 7: what we're talking about here is far more consistent with
[2:05:24] Speaker 7: people of the time and what they believed in what
[2:05:26] Speaker 7: they were writing, not a loving God who's all powerful
[2:05:29] Speaker 7: in all loving and loves his creation. That's the point
[2:05:32] Speaker 7: right now.
[2:05:33] Speaker 1: The point is if God is all powerful, all knowing,
[2:05:36] Speaker 1: and all loving, this law code is inconsistent with those properties.
[2:05:42] Speaker 6: But that's a moral being saying that they're more just
[2:05:45] Speaker 6: and moral than the infinite God.
[2:05:48] Speaker 1: No I'm saying. I'm saying, because this God is inherently
[2:05:53] Speaker 1: not moral, I have unlikely to believe that this God
[2:05:58] Speaker 1: is good for the same reason we've already covered. God
[2:06:01] Speaker 1: is okay with slavery, he's okay with people taking other
[2:06:06] Speaker 1: people's freedom. He's okay with women being punished through through
[2:06:12] Speaker 1: grape for crimes they never committed.
[2:06:14] Speaker 6: But we already addressed that that's not accurate.
[2:06:17] Speaker 1: No, it is accurate. We did address it.
[2:06:19] Speaker 3: It is.
[2:06:21] Speaker 6: Did that on his own accord.
[2:06:22] Speaker 1: And literally now you're just up here lying because we
[2:06:26] Speaker 1: already read it twice, and we'll read it again since
[2:06:28] Speaker 1: you didn't hear it the first time. God says I
[2:06:31] Speaker 1: will I will do this thing. He says, I will
[2:06:34] Speaker 1: do it. No, God says I will do it. God says,
[2:06:41] Speaker 1: God says, I will raise up trouble against you from within.
[2:06:45] Speaker 1: Your own house. If you go back and read the says,
[2:06:48] Speaker 1: I will raise up trouble against you from within your
[2:06:51] Speaker 1: own house. I will do it, and I will take
[2:06:54] Speaker 1: your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor.
[2:06:57] Speaker 1: He will lie with your wives in broad daylight, for
[2:06:59] Speaker 1: you did it secretly.
[2:07:01] Speaker 3: I will do this thing.
[2:07:03] Speaker 1: God is saying, I will do the thing. He's delivering
[2:07:07] Speaker 1: the punishment. It's crazy how a believer can read this
[2:07:15] Speaker 1: nonsense and rather than just admitting it says what it says,
[2:07:18] Speaker 1: go into like uber lio mode.
[2:07:21] Speaker 6: It's not that it's that you muted me in the
[2:07:23] Speaker 6: middle of me speaking.
[2:07:24] Speaker 1: I was already speaking, and you didn't like what I
[2:07:26] Speaker 1: had to say, and you weren't going to stop me,
[2:07:28] Speaker 1: so I so I muted you. So again. In the
[2:07:32] Speaker 1: passage referred to who's doing the action?
[2:07:35] Speaker 3: Who does it?
[2:07:35] Speaker 1: Say is doing it?
[2:07:36] Speaker 6: Nathan is speaking about what Who's he's speaking for? As
[2:07:41] Speaker 6: a prophet.
[2:07:41] Speaker 1: Who's he speaking for?
[2:07:44] Speaker 6: He is speaking to David?
[2:07:46] Speaker 1: Who's he speaking for?
[2:07:48] Speaker 6: Not to what God said?
[2:07:50] Speaker 1: Who's he speaking for?
[2:07:52] Speaker 6: He's speaking about what God said to.
[2:07:55] Speaker 1: Who's he speaking for? Answer the question I asked, not
[2:07:58] Speaker 1: the question you want me to ask?
[2:08:00] Speaker 6: Speaking the prophecy from.
[2:08:02] Speaker 1: Whom okay, so okay. So when it says, thus saith
[2:08:06] Speaker 1: the Lord, the words that follow are the Lord's words?
[2:08:10] Speaker 1: Are they not?
[2:08:11] Speaker 6: You're making it seem like a bunch of people went out.
[2:08:14] Speaker 1: When it says, thus saith the Lord, do the words
[2:08:18] Speaker 1: follow belong to the Lord.
[2:08:21] Speaker 6: So this is just a silly question.
[2:08:23] Speaker 1: When it says, thus saith the Lord, do the words
[2:08:26] Speaker 1: that follow belong to the Lord?
[2:08:29] Speaker 6: If you if you had any marriage here, I would
[2:08:31] Speaker 6: argue with you, you really there's nothing.
[2:08:33] Speaker 1: Don't don't run from the question. It's a kindergarten question.
[2:08:35] Speaker 1: I know you can do it. When when the prophet says,
[2:08:38] Speaker 1: thus saith the Lord, do the words that follow belong
[2:08:42] Speaker 1: to the Lord.
[2:08:43] Speaker 6: This is why we don't we have because.
[2:08:47] Speaker 1: Not silly, no one's upset. I want you to stop
[2:08:51] Speaker 1: being a dishonest coward and answer the question you're saying
[2:08:56] Speaker 1: that you're saying that God didn't claim he's doing the thing.
[2:09:01] Speaker 1: So now I have to walk you through a kindredgarden
[2:09:04] Speaker 1: example and demonstrate to you that God is in fact
[2:09:08] Speaker 1: the one speaking here, even though Nathan is the one
[2:09:11] Speaker 1: delivering the message. So in the passage, Nathan is speaking
[2:09:15] Speaker 1: for the Lord. He's uttering the thing that God told
[2:09:19] Speaker 1: him to utter. And the thing that he's uttered is
[2:09:23] Speaker 1: thus saith the Lord. I I A is the Lord.
[2:09:26] Speaker 1: I will raise up trouble against you from within your
[2:09:29] Speaker 1: own house, and I will take your wives before your
[2:09:31] Speaker 1: eyes and give them to your neighbor, and he shall
[2:09:33] Speaker 1: lie with your wives in broad daylight. For you did
[2:09:35] Speaker 1: it secretly. But I will do this thing before all
[2:09:38] Speaker 1: Israel and broad daylight, a punishment given by Yahweh, not
[2:09:43] Speaker 1: by Nathan.
[2:09:46] Speaker 6: May I speak now, since you keep muting me.
[2:09:48] Speaker 1: The time to speak is not in the middle of
[2:09:50] Speaker 1: my sentence. This should be, this should actually be, This
[2:09:54] Speaker 1: should actually be quite obvious.
[2:09:56] Speaker 6: But it should be. But also, personal attacks are not
[2:09:59] Speaker 6: necessary in an actual debate.
[2:10:01] Speaker 1: They are quite necessary when you're acting like a child.
[2:10:05] Speaker 6: See they're not. I've never attacked your character. There's no
[2:10:08] Speaker 6: reason to bring that far.
[2:10:10] Speaker 1: If you have a real debate, I'm describing your character,
[2:10:13] Speaker 1: which is of a child.
[2:10:16] Speaker 6: I mean, if that's your only argument, then it's not.
[2:10:18] Speaker 1: My argument is my observation.
[2:10:21] Speaker 6: If that's how you feel, and we want to do
[2:10:23] Speaker 6: feelings instead.
[2:10:23] Speaker 1: Of facts, well then show me, show me where God's
[2:10:26] Speaker 1: not talking in the passage. Stop crying about it, and
[2:10:28] Speaker 1: show me so again.
[2:10:31] Speaker 6: I would never in sixteen.
[2:10:35] Speaker 1: We're in eleven and twelve as address eleven and twelve.
[2:10:39] Speaker 6: First, I've already addressed eleven and twelve.
[2:10:41] Speaker 1: You haven't done it yet. Who's talking?
[2:10:45] Speaker 6: Nathan is speaking?
[2:10:46] Speaker 1: And who's in Whose words? Whose words are they? Whose
[2:10:50] Speaker 1: words are they're making? Whose words are they?
[2:10:54] Speaker 6: Nathan?
[2:10:55] Speaker 1: Okay, No, you're wrong. We'll try this again. They're the
[2:10:57] Speaker 1: Lord's words being delivered.
[2:11:00] Speaker 6: By you want to make false lies. That's really sad.
[2:11:04] Speaker 1: They're the Lord's words and they're being uttered by Nathan.
[2:11:07] Speaker 1: I think everybody in the audience knows this. You don't listen.
[2:11:12] Speaker 1: You can't lie to me, and you can't lie to
[2:11:14] Speaker 1: the audience. We know how words work. When Nathan says,
[2:11:17] Speaker 1: thus saith the Lord, and then he utters a quote
[2:11:20] Speaker 1: from the Lord, it's clearly the thing that God is speaking.
[2:11:25] Speaker 1: These these are God's words. God is saying I he's
[2:11:28] Speaker 1: the eye in this sentence.
[2:11:31] Speaker 6: You're taking it out of context.
[2:11:33] Speaker 1: I'm not okay, listen, child, you're you're actually incapable of
[2:11:37] Speaker 1: being honest. You're you're even though your book says not
[2:11:41] Speaker 1: to lie you're incapable of not lying. You're you're not
[2:11:45] Speaker 1: actually capable of dressing. What words work? I'm sorry, what
[2:11:48] Speaker 1: words are in the sentence? So this conversation can't move
[2:11:53] Speaker 1: forward because you can't be honest. But simply ask Lauren.
[2:11:58] Speaker 1: We're simply not going to ask you anything since you
[2:12:00] Speaker 1: can't give honest answers, but we will send you back
[2:12:03] Speaker 1: to the comments so you can cry down.
[2:12:05] Speaker 7: There justin There also is a strong parallel here. You
[2:12:10] Speaker 7: may have thought about this right, but as this conversation
[2:12:12] Speaker 7: is happening, I'm hearing this sort of like big time rationalizing.
[2:12:15] Speaker 7: I'm thinking, doesn't it happen the same exact way when
[2:12:19] Speaker 7: we talk to a Muslim apologist and we bring up
[2:12:21] Speaker 7: the situation with Ayisha, they do the same kind of things.
[2:12:25] Speaker 1: She was just in words never mean words. They can't listen.
[2:12:30] Speaker 1: When you're confronted with a difficult passage in the Bible,
[2:12:33] Speaker 1: you only have two options. Admit that it's horrible and
[2:12:37] Speaker 1: it's problematic, or try to make it say something anything
[2:12:42] Speaker 1: than what it actually says. Those are that's it, right,
[2:12:45] Speaker 1: that's all you can do. Oh, well, she did her best.
[2:12:50] Speaker 1: We're gonna grab some super chats. I apologize if we
[2:12:52] Speaker 1: got backed up a little bit on the superchats. We
[2:12:54] Speaker 1: should have time for another guest. Still yet though, and
[2:12:58] Speaker 1: we've got some in the box design says exercise. Oh,
[2:13:04] Speaker 1: I think we're all lucky. As an example, he didn't
[2:13:06] Speaker 1: pick a disobedient spouse. Yeah, so you're referring to the
[2:13:15] Speaker 1: other guest that was okay with his spouse being beaten
[2:13:19] Speaker 1: or punished or his children being punished in his place. Man,
[2:13:23] Speaker 1: I'd hate to be in that guy's family and space
[2:13:25] Speaker 1: lord says, the Lord of has given the Lord of
[2:13:29] Speaker 1: has given his people fifteen drops tablet breaking it. Oh,
[2:13:35] Speaker 1: you're doing the mel Brooks rendition of the Ten Commandments.
[2:13:38] Speaker 1: When Moses drops the tablets, he says, here are the
[2:13:41] Speaker 1: fifteen he drops it ten commandments. That's actually a really
[2:13:47] Speaker 1: good skit. If you guys haven't seen the mel Brooks
[2:13:49] Speaker 1: Ten Commandments skit, make sure you see it. And Penelope,
[2:13:54] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the ten that supertest says,
[2:13:55] Speaker 1: I for God will love the world, that he kills
[2:13:57] Speaker 1: millions of babies, even tortures and kill his own son,
[2:14:01] Speaker 1: punishes innocent people for others crimes. Such a loving God.
[2:14:05] Speaker 1: Rockhard for Doug. Doug would never Doug absolutely would never
[2:14:09] Speaker 1: do that nonsense. It's crazy to me that in the
[2:14:12] Speaker 1: same breath Christians will say that God is the God
[2:14:14] Speaker 1: of love when he's slaughtering innocence by the millions. Saint
[2:14:20] Speaker 1: Brushlan King for the six' one six Hail nero, SAYS
[2:14:23] Speaker 1: i DON'T i think you. MEAN i don't know. WHY
[2:14:25] Speaker 1: i don't know Why christians didn't explain The hebrews In
[2:14:29] Speaker 1: egypt that slavery just means. Employment should have Told god
[2:14:33] Speaker 1: In moses's words don't mean. Words could you? IMAGINE i
[2:14:36] Speaker 1: brought this up only once or twice, Before but next
[2:14:39] Speaker 1: time somebody says that the slavery was actually, employment we
[2:14:42] Speaker 1: need to ask him if The egyptians were really slaves
[2:14:45] Speaker 1: In egypt or if they were just employed In. Egypt
[2:14:48] Speaker 1: they're not gonna not gonna like that and Helping mega,
[2:14:52] Speaker 1: says Praise doug for my dose of sanity streaming. Today, well, listen,
[2:14:56] Speaker 1: friend we're gonna have a lot more streaming coming up
[2:14:58] Speaker 1: here in the. Futures we're crankeding the dial all the
[2:15:01] Speaker 1: way up and carnege. Asada thank you again for a
[2:15:05] Speaker 1: ten dollars super. Check good to see your, friend, says
[2:15:07] Speaker 1: call her being forced to undertake hard labor was probably
[2:15:10] Speaker 1: not even particularly unpleasant for those. Slaves caller being forced
[2:15:14] Speaker 1: to answer simple moral questions is extremely not. Comfy please.
[2:15:19] Speaker 1: Stop according to his, logic he'd rather be a slave
[2:15:24] Speaker 1: than to answer my. Questions that that's a fair. Observation
[2:15:27] Speaker 1: cardiage And, meg good to see. You meg, says words
[2:15:32] Speaker 1: don't mean. Words does he think that the concubines screwed
[2:15:35] Speaker 1: their own step? Son, listen there are people who believe.
[2:15:38] Speaker 1: That i've talked to many people who get up here and, say, no, no, no.
[2:15:41] Speaker 1: No absalom didn't grape those. Women they, voluntarily they consented
[2:15:48] Speaker 1: to commit adultery in front of all Of israel with
[2:15:50] Speaker 1: their son in. Law that's the craziest self not cell.
[2:15:55] Speaker 1: Phone that's the craziest victim Blame i've heard on quite some.
[2:16:00] Speaker 1: Time And bill, says cognitive dissonance is not a pleasant.
[2:16:03] Speaker 1: Experience it's. Not but that's what we really we really
[2:16:07] Speaker 1: should rename this place to the cognitive dissonance, zone because
[2:16:10] Speaker 1: that's really what happens. Here not so much, deconstruction it's
[2:16:15] Speaker 1: more cognitive. Dissonance And design says SOMETIMES i wish the
[2:16:19] Speaker 1: we are ants analog could get to the next logical.
[2:16:23] Speaker 1: Failure ants justified in biting someone for disturbing their. Nest
[2:16:29] Speaker 1: that's an interesting point being if we're just, ants ants
[2:16:35] Speaker 1: are technically justified in defending. Themselves so when If god's down,
[2:16:39] Speaker 1: here you, know giving us horrific, commandments, shit it seems
[2:16:43] Speaker 1: like we're justified just like the ams, are in defending
[2:16:45] Speaker 1: ourselves against the horrific crimes of yahweh And, cameron thank
[2:16:49] Speaker 1: you for the fight our. Supertests DID i just hear that?
[2:16:51] Speaker 1: Right you were so patient with him justin that guess
[2:16:55] Speaker 1: THOUGH i tried you heard them, right AND i tried
[2:16:58] Speaker 1: to be patient with them BECAUSE i think he was
[2:17:01] Speaker 1: coming up in good. Faith but geez, man the end
[2:17:03] Speaker 1: of that, conversation sorry the stomach AND i zitter it.
[2:17:09] Speaker 1: In thank you for the ten hour, supertest SAYS i.
[2:17:11] Speaker 1: Haven't i'm. SORRY i don't have anything clever to say
[2:17:14] Speaker 1: or smart to, Add SO i will just give you
[2:17:16] Speaker 1: some money and hope that, you justin and everyone here
[2:17:19] Speaker 1: are having a marvelous. Time thank you for the, stream,
[2:17:21] Speaker 1: WELL i z thank you so much for supporting the.
[2:17:25] Speaker 1: Stream thank you so much for watching and. Liking and
[2:17:27] Speaker 1: for those, watching if you're not, subscribed what are you waiting?
[2:17:29] Speaker 1: For go ahead and drop a follow and, subscribe and
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[2:17:38] Speaker 1: couple more supertats friends where we'll get our next guest
[2:17:41] Speaker 1: right back up in, here And jake, says happy. Birthday
[2:17:44] Speaker 1: Another oh, SORRY i read, That thank you, though, ANYWAYS
[2:17:47] Speaker 1: i really appreciate. That, sorry, Sorry Artful dodger was. Next
[2:17:51] Speaker 1: welcome to The crack And Crew, Elite Artful. DODGER i
[2:17:54] Speaker 1: super appreciate. That And mike, Says phil bro define define for,
[2:17:58] Speaker 1: me you know.
[2:17:59] Speaker 3: WHAT i.
[2:18:00] Speaker 1: Like you thought that that conversation might devolve Into. Philbrough
[2:18:03] Speaker 1: that actually. Didn't, surprisingly And alex, SAYS i will always
[2:18:08] Speaker 1: it will always strike me as odd That god seems
[2:18:10] Speaker 1: to take the cool parent role about slavery but not
[2:18:14] Speaker 1: mixed fabrics or. Shellfish, alex that's the fucking. Point The
[2:18:19] Speaker 1: god up there is like, Slavery, well it's, okay it's
[2:18:23] Speaker 1: just it's a thing that they, do you, know it's.
[2:18:26] Speaker 1: Okay but then we get the miss fabrics shaving your
[2:18:29] Speaker 1: sideburns and nonsense like that marking your skin And god's, like, no,
[2:18:35] Speaker 1: no you. Don't you want to put your. Pepeware oh, no,
[2:18:38] Speaker 1: no you're done your. Toast it's crazy That god so
[2:18:42] Speaker 1: hands off with some things and then wants to murder
[2:18:45] Speaker 1: you for other. Things MISTER, t thank you for the ten,
[2:18:49] Speaker 1: supertes Says Irish christian Brother schooling mistakenly introed me To Bertrand,
[2:18:54] Speaker 1: russell but it took me thirty years to dish THE.
[2:18:57] Speaker 1: Bs thank You justin and this. Community it's good to be.
[2:19:00] Speaker 1: Free Happy solstice From. Ireland, well MISTER, t thank you
[2:19:03] Speaker 1: so much for letting us know that you're able to
[2:19:05] Speaker 1: deconstruct from the. CULT i know it's hard to do
[2:19:08] Speaker 1: it in a culture that is steeped in, it and
[2:19:10] Speaker 1: yours is steeped in. It see and get my. Joke
[2:19:14] Speaker 1: it's okay if you. Didn't Jim, nasty thank you so
[2:19:17] Speaker 1: much for the super. CHAT i appreciate that it Says
[2:19:20] Speaker 1: god had the baby bone cancer and sa to teach
[2:19:24] Speaker 1: it and adults some. Lesson that lesson is That god
[2:19:27] Speaker 1: is super special and loving also A. Christian these are the, gymnastics,
[2:19:34] Speaker 1: guys that you have to. Do it's easier if you
[2:19:38] Speaker 1: envision The christian in front of you giving you the
[2:19:42] Speaker 1: bad gymnastics to avenge them doing a dance in like
[2:19:47] Speaker 1: what do you call that one? Piece get up a. Leotard,
[2:19:51] Speaker 1: yeah that makes a little. Easier so it says he
[2:19:54] Speaker 1: has no idea what a transliteration, is and you're. RIGHT
[2:19:57] Speaker 1: i was curious how many times he would say when
[2:20:01] Speaker 1: he clearly didn't know what a transliteration. WAS i didn't
[2:20:03] Speaker 1: know that's a difference between a translation and. Transliteration but
[2:20:07] Speaker 1: what are you gonna? Do what are you gonna?
[2:20:09] Speaker 7: Do justin rilling me this really? Quick, right there's a
[2:20:12] Speaker 7: passage of course we know it says woee to him
[2:20:14] Speaker 7: who said calls evil good and good? Evil, well how does?
[2:20:18] Speaker 7: That how does that really play? Out when we start
[2:20:21] Speaker 7: talking about these, terrible, horrible horrific things That god does
[2:20:24] Speaker 7: and then they just rationalize and say that they're.
[2:20:26] Speaker 1: Good, yeah yeah. It if if you can't look at
[2:20:32] Speaker 1: the horrible atrocities and say oh that's, bad then sure
[2:20:37] Speaker 1: as hell you don't know what good. Is like if
[2:20:39] Speaker 1: you can't tell me that graping ten women is, bad
[2:20:44] Speaker 1: Then i'm not going to trust. You if you tell
[2:20:46] Speaker 1: me That god is? Good that's. Insane Uh germ, says
[2:20:50] Speaker 1: this Callors christianity is like a prom dress made of
[2:20:54] Speaker 1: recycled fabric, scraps completely non cohesive and terry. Picked, Yeah i'd, say, though, yeah,
[2:20:59] Speaker 1: yeah it's it's really the worst kind of patchwork you could.
[2:21:03] Speaker 1: Imagine and let me grab just a two more superchitch,
[2:21:07] Speaker 1: here we'll get our next guest in. Here that dandy fox,
[2:21:10] Speaker 1: says why Is god so small that his perfect word
[2:21:13] Speaker 1: can be, mistranslated misinterpreted by mere? Humans so that's a
[2:21:17] Speaker 1: really good. Point and we've brought this point up quite
[2:21:19] Speaker 1: a bit in other, livestream which is Like god seems
[2:21:22] Speaker 1: to be so, powerless like it's almost like the way
[2:21:25] Speaker 1: things are playing out is the way he wanted them
[2:21:28] Speaker 1: to play, out or he's just powerless to stop, it
[2:21:31] Speaker 1: BECAUSE i can't imagine a Good god is wanted his
[2:21:34] Speaker 1: book to get transmitted through history and get utterly defiled
[2:21:38] Speaker 1: along the. Way but, anyways speaking of Defiled, bibles make
[2:21:43] Speaker 1: sure and check Out Dixon. Bibles, steve thank you for
[2:21:48] Speaker 1: giving me your money, again even THOUGH i know that
[2:21:50] Speaker 1: you're going to say some, nonsense apologetic says press one
[2:21:53] Speaker 1: for A god fearing master press two for an atheist
[2:21:56] Speaker 1: master that tells you he won't go to hell for
[2:21:58] Speaker 1: doing anything he wants to. You, well first of, all
[2:22:01] Speaker 1: atheist slave owners didn't do. That And i'm going to
[2:22:04] Speaker 1: pick two every day of the week because number one
[2:22:07] Speaker 1: nets you a slave owner that thinks he can do
[2:22:09] Speaker 1: anything to you or she can do anything to, you
[2:22:12] Speaker 1: and it's okay Because god justified. It that's Why i'm
[2:22:16] Speaker 1: going to pick number. Two, okay let's grab our next.
[2:22:19] Speaker 1: Guest we'll Get julius in the. Box how are you, Doing?
[2:22:24] Speaker 1: Julius pretty? Good how you doing doing? Good thank you for. Asking.
[2:22:28] Speaker 1: Julius so are you at least? Eighteen and are you a?
[2:22:29] Speaker 1: Believer i'm forty. Nine i'm a, believer. Sir Cool and
[2:22:33] Speaker 1: What god do you believe in The god of The? Bible?
[2:22:37] Speaker 1: Cool and would be the most convincing evidence or argument
[2:22:41] Speaker 1: for The Bible god being? Real for obviously my, testimony
[2:22:45] Speaker 1: which YOU i don't think you. Accept, now that'd be.
[2:22:48] Speaker 1: Silly why WOULD i accept your testimony as? Proof, Yeah
[2:22:51] Speaker 1: i'm just answering your question fair. ENOUGH i, mean it's
[2:22:54] Speaker 1: a honest. Answer, Okay, well outside of your, testimony is
[2:22:57] Speaker 1: there another reason why anyone would believe in this?
[2:22:58] Speaker 3: Thing anyone.
[2:23:00] Speaker 9: ELSE i, Meant i'm not going to say, hundreds but
[2:23:04] Speaker 9: maybe a hundred people that actually have lived their life
[2:23:10] Speaker 9: according to what they were taught at home and then
[2:23:13] Speaker 9: eventually started reading scripture and actually benefited from the teachings
[2:23:21] Speaker 9: that it.
[2:23:22] Speaker 1: Has so why DO i care about? That, No i'm
[2:23:25] Speaker 1: answering your. Question so you think because somebody read The
[2:23:30] Speaker 1: bible and did good things after they read The, bible
[2:23:33] Speaker 1: that makes it. True i'm asking about why is it?
[2:23:35] Speaker 3: True?
[2:23:35] Speaker 1: Not why did people find some sort of like psychosomatic
[2:23:40] Speaker 1: benefit from?
[2:23:41] Speaker 6: It?
[2:23:42] Speaker 9: RIGHT i believe your question was why would anybody you
[2:23:46] Speaker 9: know benefit or why would anybody believe? That AND i
[2:23:50] Speaker 9: answered your question BECAUSE i, have you, know shared with
[2:23:54] Speaker 9: people that actually have read The, bible actually you, know read,
[2:23:59] Speaker 9: it understood, it.
[2:24:00] Speaker 1: Put it to, practice and benefited from.
[2:24:02] Speaker 3: It.
[2:24:02] Speaker 1: YEAH i know many others who had the opposite. Experience
[2:24:06] Speaker 1: they read The, bible thought it was horrific and ran
[2:24:09] Speaker 1: far and far away from. It, Right so just reading
[2:24:11] Speaker 1: The bible and coming in a way with an, opinion to,
[2:24:14] Speaker 1: me doesn't have any bearing on whether or not it's.
[2:24:16] Speaker 1: True i'm trying to figure out if there's a good
[2:24:18] Speaker 1: reason to believe that it's. True, yeah fair. ENOUGH i,
[2:24:22] Speaker 1: mean if it didn't work for, YOU i get, it
[2:24:24] Speaker 1: AND i would probably agree with.
[2:24:25] Speaker 9: YOU i also know some people that actually have tried
[2:24:29] Speaker 9: to read it and didn't understand, it become, frustrated and
[2:24:32] Speaker 9: then became even more better than their original.
[2:24:35] Speaker 1: STATE i don't know why. Better it has to be the.
[2:24:38] Speaker 1: DESCRIPTION i guess they're your, friends not. Mine but, yeah,
[2:24:42] Speaker 1: yeah so to, me the personal experience and the testimony
[2:24:45] Speaker 1: is kind of a useless data. Point i'm trying to
[2:24:47] Speaker 1: figure out something beyond someone's subjective experience that would lead
[2:24:51] Speaker 1: one to believe that The bible is.
[2:24:52] Speaker 9: True, yeah it's LIKE i, said it's it's obviously call
[2:24:58] Speaker 9: faith something that you obviously don't accept, either which is.
[2:25:02] Speaker 1: Okay, Okay so nothing concrete, then just vibes and. Faith,
[2:25:08] Speaker 1: no LIKE i, said it has. Wisdom it has a
[2:25:11] Speaker 1: lot of a lot of good.
[2:25:14] Speaker 9: Messages of that actually human beings can actually follow and you,
[2:25:20] Speaker 9: know benefit from.
[2:25:21] Speaker 1: It like so of The egyptian proverbs true? True so
[2:25:28] Speaker 1: does that make their different Proverbs chinese? Proverbs?
[2:25:31] Speaker 9: Know as a matter of, fact some of those proverbs
[2:25:33] Speaker 9: were taken from, scripture some of, them some of them
[2:25:38] Speaker 9: more they predate the, scriptures, WELL i mean, scripture depending
[2:25:45] Speaker 9: on how what you're talking, about because if you're talking,
[2:25:49] Speaker 9: about you, know the civilizations that came before, scripture then, yeah,
[2:25:53] Speaker 9: Obviously but.
[2:25:55] Speaker 1: If you're talking, about you, know.
[2:25:58] Speaker 9: How the word was, construed because, obviously before the word
[2:26:03] Speaker 9: became the, word it was actually. Spirit so AND i
[2:26:06] Speaker 9: realized that you don't understand.
[2:26:07] Speaker 10: This what is?
[2:26:08] Speaker 9: Spirit spirit is obviously something that is, supernatural you can't see.
[2:26:14] Speaker 3: It but what is? It what is?
[2:26:18] Speaker 1: What?
[2:26:18] Speaker 3: What what is? Spirit what is?
[2:26:20] Speaker 1: It like you said that that the word is, SPIRIT
[2:26:23] Speaker 1: i don't even know what spirit? Means what's what's a?
[2:26:24] Speaker 3: Spirit?
[2:26:26] Speaker 9: Right how CAN i articulate this for you just and
[2:26:30] Speaker 9: so you can understand? It because you don't understand spiritual?
[2:26:33] Speaker 3: Things to?
[2:26:33] Speaker 1: You these things are you, know they're crazy stuff if
[2:26:36] Speaker 1: they are, crazy you. Know AND i realized that's.
[2:26:41] Speaker 9: Why i'm trying to figure out how how WOULD i
[2:26:44] Speaker 9: be able to define that for you in a way
[2:26:46] Speaker 9: that you can that you can understand, it you. Know
[2:26:49] Speaker 9: And i'm gonna be, honest And i'm Gonna i'm gonna admit,
[2:26:53] Speaker 9: that you, know my research and knowledge is.
[2:26:57] Speaker 1: Limited as a matter of, FACT i kind of credit
[2:26:59] Speaker 1: you with you, know.
[2:27:01] Speaker 3: Your history of the knowledge of the.
[2:27:03] Speaker 9: WORD i probably give you more creditve of knowing more
[2:27:07] Speaker 9: THAN i, do but benefiting less THAN i have from
[2:27:12] Speaker 9: what you know what is in the content of The.
[2:27:15] Speaker 9: Bible BUT i, guess in simple, TERMS i think spirit
[2:27:21] Speaker 9: is something. Supernatural it's a.
[2:27:24] Speaker 1: Verb spirit is a, verb not a. Noun, well it
[2:27:29] Speaker 1: could take a formaute of a, noun but it also
[2:27:32] Speaker 1: is a. Verb can you use it in a sentence
[2:27:37] Speaker 1: as a, verb.
[2:27:39] Speaker 3: The spirit Of?
[2:27:40] Speaker 1: God, yeah.
[2:27:44] Speaker 3: In the, beginning the spirit Of.
[2:27:45] Speaker 1: God let me. See let me look that scripture because
[2:27:54] Speaker 1: It's genesis chapter.
[2:27:55] Speaker 3: One, YEAH i believe it's chapter.
[2:27:57] Speaker 1: ONE i want to quote it.
[2:27:59] Speaker 9: Correctly let's see here for, sure it's like verse. One,
[2:28:18] Speaker 9: no you're talking about the. Beginning god created the heavens and.
[2:28:21] Speaker 1: The earth, yep and The spirit Of god hovered over the, waters.
[2:28:26] Speaker 9: Over the, waters over the waves of the water. Spread,
[2:28:30] Speaker 9: Right SO i COULD i could use that. Sentence There's
[2:28:35] Speaker 9: i'm sure there's more sentences than.
[2:28:37] Speaker 1: That, Right but that's you didn't that doesn't use the
[2:28:41] Speaker 1: word spirit in a. Verb that's more of a, noun, Correct,
[2:28:45] Speaker 1: yeah it's still, Now LIKE i don't think spirit is a.
[2:28:48] Speaker 1: Verb so we understand That god is spirit in the.
[2:28:52] Speaker 1: Beginning that's now and let's see.
[2:29:05] Speaker 9: Here so, okay SO i can probably punch you in
[2:29:28] Speaker 9: the direction of where it talks about how the spirit
[2:29:32] Speaker 9: Of god, works meaning in a verb, sense and actually
[2:29:38] Speaker 9: what it. Does it empowers and it intercedes for. Us,
[2:29:41] Speaker 9: YEAH i can give you many verses if you if you're,
[2:29:44] Speaker 9: INTERESTED i think you read them.
[2:29:46] Speaker 1: All, Yeah i've read them. All, now can't do verbs
[2:29:50] Speaker 1: Like i'm a. Noun justin is a proper, noun, Uh
[2:29:55] Speaker 1: AND i can do things described by. Verbs but justin
[2:29:59] Speaker 1: is not a, verb just like spirit is not a.
[2:30:01] Speaker 1: Verb it's a. Noun, Right so WHEN i ask what is?
[2:30:04] Speaker 1: Spirit what is a? SPIRIT i don't think you've furthered
[2:30:09] Speaker 1: the answer at. ALL i still don't know what a spirit.
[2:30:11] Speaker 9: Is what do you mean do you want me to
[2:30:17] Speaker 9: like define the non physical part that you know what
[2:30:21] Speaker 9: a spirit is or is?
[2:30:22] Speaker 1: Not like if you, said IF i Said I'm justin
[2:30:26] Speaker 1: and you're, like, well what's? JUSTIN i, said, Well i'm a.
[2:30:28] Speaker 1: Human you might, say, well what is a? Human, WELL i, said, well,
[2:30:31] Speaker 1: listen we're carbon based life, forms and here's what a
[2:30:34] Speaker 1: human is made. Of. Right so WHEN i, said, well
[2:30:36] Speaker 1: what is a, Spirit i'm trying to figure out, what
[2:30:39] Speaker 1: other than a word in The english, language what is a?
[2:30:43] Speaker 1: Spirit and how do you know when something is or
[2:30:45] Speaker 1: isn't a?
[2:30:46] Speaker 9: SPIRIT i guess the best WAY i can put it for,
[2:30:48] Speaker 9: you just in the spirit would be something non physical
[2:30:53] Speaker 9: that is an elite living that is a, living living.
[2:30:57] Speaker 1: Being but that betrays the definition of what it means to,
[2:31:02] Speaker 1: live like what does it mean to be?
[2:31:05] Speaker 9: Alive i'm just giving you the definition WHAT i think
[2:31:09] Speaker 9: a spirit. IS i mean you can accept, it not accept,
[2:31:11] Speaker 9: it and you can call me ignorant if you want
[2:31:13] Speaker 9: for not being able to articulate what a spirit.
[2:31:16] Speaker 3: Is but we want if we want, to we can move.
[2:31:19] Speaker 1: Forward, WELL i mean your definition is, contradictory is What i'm. Saying,
[2:31:24] Speaker 1: okay so let's just say you won that. Argument what
[2:31:26] Speaker 1: else can we talk? About is The bible completely true
[2:31:32] Speaker 1: in your worldview or only partially? TRUE i believe it, Is.
[2:31:36] Speaker 1: Okay does The bible ever say anything that's not? True,
[2:31:39] Speaker 1: no be sure about. That that's a lot of, confidence
[2:31:46] Speaker 1: very confident in. That what IF i showed you something
[2:31:49] Speaker 1: in The bible that simply wasn't. True what would you tell.
[2:31:52] Speaker 3: Me IF i believe it's not, true after you show,
[2:31:59] Speaker 3: me THEN i would have. It.
[2:32:01] Speaker 1: Okay, so if in fact The bible says something that's not,
[2:32:04] Speaker 1: true what would be the conclusion from that? Revelation you being,
[2:32:10] Speaker 1: right me being? Wrong, no, no, NO i, mean what
[2:32:13] Speaker 1: would be the conclusion about The bible That god is
[2:32:17] Speaker 1: wrong and you're, right or that The bible got something?
[2:32:20] Speaker 9: Wrong, well Ultimately, god because we believe that this is
[2:32:25] Speaker 9: inspired By. God, okay so it's basically justin Versus.
[2:32:30] Speaker 1: God, WELL i, mean it could just be justin versu
[2:32:32] Speaker 1: a book that actually isn't written By god because it
[2:32:36] Speaker 1: says things that it's. Wrong, okay let's call it. That
[2:32:39] Speaker 1: it's Justin russ's the, book fair, Enough, Okay so let's
[2:32:44] Speaker 1: read in The gospel Of. John you're probably familiar with
[2:32:48] Speaker 1: the story of the woman who Perfumed jesus's, feet, Right
[2:32:54] Speaker 1: it says In. John let's, see six days before, Passover
[2:33:02] Speaker 1: jesus came To, bethany the home Of, lazareth whom he
[2:33:06] Speaker 1: had raised from the. Dead there he gave. Dinner there
[2:33:09] Speaker 1: they gave a dinner for. Him martha, served And lazaruth
[2:33:13] Speaker 1: was one of those reclining with. Him mary took a
[2:33:15] Speaker 1: pound of costly perfume and made of a Pure nard
[2:33:18] Speaker 1: Anointed jesus's feet and wiped them with her. Hair the
[2:33:22] Speaker 1: house was filled with the fragrance of the. Perfume But Judas,
[2:33:26] Speaker 1: scariot one of his, disciples the one whom was about
[2:33:30] Speaker 1: to betray, him said why is this perfume not sold
[2:33:32] Speaker 1: for three hundred canary and the money given to the.
[2:33:35] Speaker 1: Poor and he, said he, said this is not because he.
[2:33:39] Speaker 1: Cared i'm sorry he said this not because he cared
[2:33:42] Speaker 1: about the, poor but because he was a. Thief he
[2:33:45] Speaker 1: kept the common purse and used to steal what was
[2:33:49] Speaker 1: put into. It And jesus, says leave her. Alone she
[2:33:52] Speaker 1: brought it so that she might keep it for the
[2:33:54] Speaker 1: day of my. Burial you also have the poor with,
[2:33:57] Speaker 1: you but you will not always have. Me you always
[2:34:00] Speaker 1: have the poor with, You. Okay so at the beginning
[2:34:03] Speaker 1: of this, narrative we're told that it's six days before
[2:34:06] Speaker 1: the passover that this Woman mary puts the perfume On
[2:34:09] Speaker 1: jesus's feet and washes with her. Hair we go to
[2:34:14] Speaker 1: the Other. Gospels for, example In, mark it says it
[2:34:18] Speaker 1: was two days before The passover and the festival Of
[2:34:22] Speaker 1: unloved And. Bread the chief priests and the scribes were
[2:34:24] Speaker 1: looking for a way to Arrest jesus by stealth and
[2:34:28] Speaker 1: kill him where they, said not during the, festival or
[2:34:31] Speaker 1: there may be a rite among the. People while he
[2:34:34] Speaker 1: was At bethany in the house Of simon The, lepper
[2:34:36] Speaker 1: as he sat at the, table a woman came in
[2:34:39] Speaker 1: with an alabaster jar barely costly ointment of. Nard she
[2:34:43] Speaker 1: broke open the jar and poured it the ointment on his.
[2:34:46] Speaker 1: Head but some there said to one another in, anger
[2:34:50] Speaker 1: why has the ointment wasted this? Way for this ointment
[2:34:52] Speaker 1: could have been sold for more than three hundred, denary
[2:34:55] Speaker 1: and the money given to the. Poor and they scolded.
[2:34:57] Speaker 1: Her But jesus, said let her. Alone why do you
[2:35:00] Speaker 1: you trouble? Her she has. Perfumed she has performed a
[2:35:04] Speaker 1: good service for. Me for you always have the poor with,
[2:35:07] Speaker 1: you and you can, Always i'm sure you can show
[2:35:10] Speaker 1: kindness to them whenever you, wish but you will not
[2:35:12] Speaker 1: always have. Me so, clearly the same, event and one
[2:35:15] Speaker 1: says that it was two days before the, passover and
[2:35:19] Speaker 1: the other says that it was six days before the? Passover,
[2:35:23] Speaker 1: Right so which one was was? Right So i've actually
[2:35:28] Speaker 1: seen you and heard you outline.
[2:35:29] Speaker 3: This actually does.
[2:35:31] Speaker 1: THIS i don't know If i've ever used this one
[2:35:33] Speaker 1: during a live stream. BEFORE i think you. HAVE i
[2:35:35] Speaker 1: Think i've heard you actually outline this.
[2:35:38] Speaker 9: Before AND i want to say it was more than
[2:35:41] Speaker 9: a year, ago probably Because i've been watching for a.
[2:35:43] Speaker 1: Minute but.
[2:35:46] Speaker 9: To get into, That i'm not Gonna i'm not going
[2:35:50] Speaker 9: to deny the fact that it does say. That, OBVIOUSLY
[2:35:53] Speaker 9: i do understand that we read the scripture. DIFFERENTLY, i for,
[2:35:57] Speaker 9: one read it from an inspired. Lens you may read
[2:36:00] Speaker 9: it from a maybe A ct to criticize, it or
[2:36:04] Speaker 9: maybe even a hateful.
[2:36:06] Speaker 1: LENS i don't know which one it, is which one
[2:36:09] Speaker 1: is one of the, other.
[2:36:12] Speaker 3: AND i.
[2:36:12] Speaker 1: Don't but by saying, THAT i mean that you know.
[2:36:16] Speaker 9: TOO i understand that things to me WHEN i read,
[2:36:21] Speaker 9: scripture they're not usually WHAT i think they are. Immediately
[2:36:25] Speaker 9: maybe one day is different for me than what it
[2:36:29] Speaker 9: is To. GOD i understand that you're falling into the
[2:36:32] Speaker 9: context of what the authors, wrote and it's what's amazing
[2:36:36] Speaker 9: to me is that you read everything that you writ
[2:36:39] Speaker 9: and yet you just focus on the two days in
[2:36:41] Speaker 9: the six, days and it's amazing that you cannot get
[2:36:44] Speaker 9: the goodness.
[2:36:45] Speaker 1: Side let me, finish and you only nobody cares about your.
[2:36:52] Speaker 1: Preaching no one cares about the metal. Right the, question
[2:36:56] Speaker 1: the question we're trying to resolve right now is whether
[2:36:59] Speaker 1: or not The bible is a hundred percent. True AND
[2:37:02] Speaker 1: i immediately when we started this, conversation asked you if
[2:37:05] Speaker 1: it was a hundred percent. True you said it was
[2:37:07] Speaker 1: one hundred percent. True now we found something that clearly
[2:37:10] Speaker 1: couldn't be true because it's a, contradiction And i'm trying
[2:37:13] Speaker 1: to figure out how it can still be one hundred
[2:37:15] Speaker 1: percent true it's an undred percent.
[2:37:17] Speaker 9: True because the thing, is you're putting yourself in a,
[2:37:20] Speaker 9: judgment and a judgment Fal sea like you're the. Judge
[2:37:23] Speaker 9: you're judging that this is not accurate because you found
[2:37:27] Speaker 9: that one passage says two days and the other one
[2:37:31] Speaker 9: finds says that it's six, days, Right.
[2:37:33] Speaker 1: So to, you they can't bump right.
[2:37:36] Speaker 9: Right so as a, judge you're making this judgment that
[2:37:40] Speaker 9: it's it's inaccurate through and through because you're from.
[2:37:45] Speaker 1: NO i didn't say anything about the Entire. Bible i'm
[2:37:47] Speaker 1: making one statement about one passage in The, bible and
[2:37:51] Speaker 1: this one passage or these two passages technically are clearly in.
[2:37:56] Speaker 1: Contradiction they're contradicting each, other which means one of them
[2:38:00] Speaker 1: can't be, true which means The bible isn't one hundred percent,
[2:38:04] Speaker 1: true it's only some other percentage. True that's where we're.
[2:38:08] Speaker 9: At so far, Right, so AND i get it just
[2:38:11] Speaker 9: and you, KNOW i think that IF i would to
[2:38:14] Speaker 9: actually take this into the lab and you, know read
[2:38:17] Speaker 9: the context of everything of both, PASSAGES i could come
[2:38:20] Speaker 9: back with it a very, good articulate answer for. IT
[2:38:23] Speaker 9: i obviously see what you're. SAYING i disagree with the
[2:38:27] Speaker 9: fact that it's. Wrong you may go ahead and, say,
[2:38:30] Speaker 9: okay it's wrong because of. This and, again you, know
[2:38:34] Speaker 9: we fall back into you, know reading scripture and how
[2:38:38] Speaker 9: you're reading. It what's your intent and you're reading it
[2:38:40] Speaker 9: you're looking.
[2:38:41] Speaker 3: For the Inten my intent is.
[2:38:43] Speaker 1: Irrelevant, no it's very. Relevant, oh it's certainly not. Relevant.
[2:38:48] Speaker 1: All the only question we're trying to answer right now
[2:38:51] Speaker 1: is whether or not it says something that's. Inaccurate, Right
[2:38:55] Speaker 1: you're you could have the intention of proving me, wrong
[2:38:58] Speaker 1: or you could have the intention of proving you're. Right
[2:39:00] Speaker 1: neither one of those intents makes the problem go. Away
[2:39:04] Speaker 1: the problem is there no matter what your intention. Is, yeah,
[2:39:08] Speaker 1: NO i get.
[2:39:08] Speaker 9: That What i'm saying is, that regardless of what my
[2:39:11] Speaker 9: intent is as, well whether you're giving me the opportunity
[2:39:15] Speaker 9: to show you why the script why these two passages
[2:39:18] Speaker 9: are written that, way and right, NOW i don't have
[2:39:21] Speaker 9: the immediate answer for. You it's just you know you're
[2:39:26] Speaker 9: gonna remain in that same state of. Mind, yeah BECAUSE
[2:39:30] Speaker 9: i have, facts BUT i guarantee the, facts the facts.
[2:39:34] Speaker 1: THAT i have demonstrate that The bible is not. True
[2:39:38] Speaker 1: if the facts were, different if the facts pointed to
[2:39:41] Speaker 1: The bible being, true well THEN i would believe what you.
[2:39:44] Speaker 1: Believe but since that's not the, CASE i.
[2:39:46] Speaker 9: Don't, yeah So i'm not denying the fact that one
[2:39:49] Speaker 9: does say two and the other one say. Six, HOWEVER
[2:39:52] Speaker 9: i know that there's a good logical explanation for.
[2:39:56] Speaker 1: That right, NOW i don't have. IT i don't have
[2:39:58] Speaker 1: it at hand right, now BUT.
[2:39:59] Speaker 9: I WOULD i guarantee you THAT i can get into
[2:40:02] Speaker 9: it and figure it. OUT i don't think it a
[2:40:05] Speaker 9: HUNDRED i can that you. CAN i guarantee YOU i
[2:40:10] Speaker 9: can come, back AND i guarantee like you. Can't just
[2:40:13] Speaker 9: like you're just like you're pointing this out to. ME
[2:40:15] Speaker 9: i can go ahead and get the information and point
[2:40:19] Speaker 9: it back at.
[2:40:19] Speaker 3: You you.
[2:40:20] Speaker 1: Can't you can't do it BECAUSE i already know the,
[2:40:22] Speaker 1: apologetic LIKE i, Already i've already gone to the apologetic.
[2:40:25] Speaker 1: Websites i've already seen what they say about, it AND
[2:40:29] Speaker 1: i already have a rebuttal for the. Apologetic so what
[2:40:32] Speaker 1: you'll do is you'll go out to apologetic, press or
[2:40:35] Speaker 1: you'll go out To, calm or you'll go out To
[2:40:37] Speaker 1: answers And. Genesis you'll get an apologetic thinking you've got the,
[2:40:42] Speaker 1: answer you're going to come back. Here i'm going to
[2:40:44] Speaker 1: tell you why it's a bad. Apologetic i'm already three layers.
[2:40:47] Speaker 1: Deep you're. Not you're still on layer.
[2:40:48] Speaker 3: One.
[2:40:49] Speaker 9: OH i get, that because this is something that again
[2:40:51] Speaker 9: i've seen you actually covered, before AND i Never here's the.
[2:40:56] Speaker 9: Thing WHEN i read, SCRIPTURE i don't read scripture with
[2:40:59] Speaker 9: that intent to, see oh my, god this says two
[2:41:01] Speaker 9: that sixty.
[2:41:02] Speaker 1: Six i'm not gonna believe.
[2:41:03] Speaker 9: ANYTHING i actually go in there to get WHAT i need,
[2:41:07] Speaker 9: for you, know to to benefit from, it not to
[2:41:10] Speaker 9: actually argue or, debate OR i read.
[2:41:14] Speaker 3: It to know if it's.
[2:41:15] Speaker 1: True do you think do you think knowing if it's
[2:41:18] Speaker 1: true is a, good honest? Intention let me ask you,
[2:41:22] Speaker 1: this hold, on hold, on hold. On do you think
[2:41:25] Speaker 1: a person trying to come to the determination if something
[2:41:28] Speaker 1: is true is good or? Bad the answer is, yes,
[2:41:31] Speaker 1: Okay so me reading a book trying to know if
[2:41:33] Speaker 1: it's true MEANS i have good. INTENTIONS i get. That,
[2:41:37] Speaker 1: Okay so the, intention the intention is. Irrelevant the only
[2:41:42] Speaker 1: question at hand is whether or not the things in
[2:41:45] Speaker 1: the book are. True the intention that led you to
[2:41:48] Speaker 1: your conclusion isn't all that. Relevant but let me let
[2:41:52] Speaker 1: me go to something more, significant because my guess, is
[2:41:55] Speaker 1: even if you came to the conclusion that this was
[2:41:58] Speaker 1: a true problem in the, text you would say something silly, like,
[2:42:02] Speaker 1: well it doesn't matter because it's not a theological. Right,
[2:42:06] Speaker 1: Okay so in The New, jerusalem, right you, know In
[2:42:11] Speaker 1: revelation twenty one And New jerusalem comes, Down New, heaven New,
[2:42:14] Speaker 1: earth all that. Nonsense are people going to die according to? Scripture? Yes, yeah,
[2:42:23] Speaker 1: interesting so they're going to die in. HEAVEN i, mean
[2:42:28] Speaker 1: have you not read scripture say about THAT i?
[2:42:31] Speaker 3: Have and do you?
[2:42:34] Speaker 1: DISAGREE i think The bible. Disagrees revelation twenty one disagrees
[2:42:38] Speaker 1: With isaiah sixty.
[2:42:39] Speaker 3: Five, well let's look at, it.
[2:42:42] Speaker 1: Okay revelation twenty one, SAYS i saw a new heaven
[2:42:48] Speaker 1: and new, earth for the first heaven and first earth
[2:42:50] Speaker 1: had passed, away and the sea was no. More AND
[2:42:53] Speaker 1: i saw a holy, city The New, jerusalem coming down
[2:42:56] Speaker 1: out of heaven From, god prepared as a bride adorned
[2:43:00] Speaker 1: for her. Husband AND i heard a voice from the throne, saying,
[2:43:04] Speaker 1: see the home Of god is among. Mortals he will
[2:43:07] Speaker 1: dwell with. Them they will be his. People god himself
[2:43:10] Speaker 1: will be with them and will be Their. God he
[2:43:12] Speaker 1: will wipe away every tear from their. Eyes death will
[2:43:15] Speaker 1: be no more mourning and crying and pain will be no,
[2:43:19] Speaker 1: more for the first things have passed. Away so according
[2:43:22] Speaker 1: To revelation twenty, one when The New jerusalem, comes there
[2:43:24] Speaker 1: will be no more. Death. Okay do you want to
[2:43:29] Speaker 1: see where the contradiction. Is bring it, Up isaiah sixty.
[2:43:34] Speaker 1: Five i'm about to create a new heavens and new.
[2:43:37] Speaker 1: Earth the former things shall not be remembered or come to.
[2:43:41] Speaker 1: Mine but be glad and rejoice forever in What i'm.
[2:43:44] Speaker 1: Creating i'm about to Create jerusalem as a joy and
[2:43:47] Speaker 1: its people as a. DELIGHT i will rejoice In jerusalem
[2:43:50] Speaker 1: and delight in my. People no more shall the sound
[2:43:53] Speaker 1: of weeping be heard or the cry of. Distress really
[2:43:56] Speaker 1: weird how it, sounds just Like revelation twenty one, says
[2:43:58] Speaker 1: no more shall there be in it an infant who
[2:44:01] Speaker 1: lives but a few days or an old person who
[2:44:04] Speaker 1: does not live out a. Lifetime for one who dies
[2:44:08] Speaker 1: at a hundred years will be considered a, youth and
[2:44:12] Speaker 1: the one who falls short of one hundred will be
[2:44:15] Speaker 1: considered a. Cursed so he's, saying in the New, jerusalem
[2:44:18] Speaker 1: you're gonna live for a long. Time i'm gonna live. Forever,
[2:44:23] Speaker 1: Right she means it's just a, Contradiction.
[2:44:27] Speaker 3: LIKE i, said not.
[2:44:28] Speaker 1: NECESSARILY i think we look at scripture. Differently and that's
[2:44:31] Speaker 1: so if he says some people are gonna die before
[2:44:34] Speaker 1: the age of one, hundred And revelation says that death
[2:44:38] Speaker 1: will be no, more how are those things existing at
[2:44:41] Speaker 1: the same.
[2:44:41] Speaker 9: Time and the reason being WHY i said yes initially
[2:44:45] Speaker 9: is Because i'm more more familiar With isaiah than. Revelations
[2:44:48] Speaker 9: i'll be honest with, YOU i hardly ever get into,
[2:44:51] Speaker 9: revelations but maybe obviously getting to get into it.
[2:44:53] Speaker 1: More but my understanding of that, was, yes, initially.
[2:44:59] Speaker 9: There's obviously things that you know are gonna challenge your
[2:45:05] Speaker 9: way of. Thinking it's gonna things are not going to
[2:45:08] Speaker 9: be understood, immediately and it will challenge the way you
[2:45:14] Speaker 9: think and the way you learn. Things because you read
[2:45:18] Speaker 9: one passage and at the end of the, day when
[2:45:21] Speaker 9: you read another, passage you're, like wait a. Minute you
[2:45:24] Speaker 9: know these things are somewhat they're talking about the same,
[2:45:28] Speaker 9: things but there seems to be some, differences not, contradictions,
[2:45:32] Speaker 9: differences it's. Contration and when you get into it and
[2:45:35] Speaker 9: you start understanding the, differences then you see how they correlate.
[2:45:39] Speaker 1: Together it's a clear. Contradiction we just read, it BUT
[2:45:42] Speaker 1: i understand. That you, know you don't read it in that,
[2:45:45] Speaker 1: Way so at the end of the, day you're going
[2:45:47] Speaker 1: to label them a. Contradiction, Yeah i'm. HONEST i read
[2:45:50] Speaker 1: it in a way that's. Honest you're reading it in
[2:45:52] Speaker 1: a way that's. Dishonest, Right So i'm reading the book
[2:45:55] Speaker 1: And i'm, saying oh, shit that's a. Contradiction you're reading,
[2:45:58] Speaker 1: it and you're, saying, LISTEN i don't have a good
[2:46:00] Speaker 1: reason for why it wouldn't be a, contradiction but it
[2:46:03] Speaker 1: can't be a. Contradiction and the only reason why you
[2:46:06] Speaker 1: came to that conclusion is not because you've actually studied.
[2:46:09] Speaker 1: It it's because you're, dishonest And i'm not willing to be.
[2:46:12] Speaker 1: Dishonest and that's the, difference not at. All so your
[2:46:14] Speaker 1: motivations are the, problem not my. Motivations but, Listen, julius
[2:46:20] Speaker 1: you've been nice during the. Conversation at LEAST i could
[2:46:23] Speaker 1: say that about. You you're a nice. Guy BUT i
[2:46:25] Speaker 1: Think i'm limited on. Time i've got to get to
[2:46:28] Speaker 1: some super chats BEFORE i run out of. Time i've
[2:46:30] Speaker 1: ran out of time last week AND i didn't get
[2:46:32] Speaker 1: to all the super, chats SO i. Apologize i'm not
[2:46:34] Speaker 1: going to do it this. Week i'm not going to
[2:46:36] Speaker 1: take another guest and run late and then miss. Superchats
[2:46:39] Speaker 1: people have been very nice to send super chats and
[2:46:42] Speaker 1: participate in this, discussion so come back read the passages
[2:46:45] Speaker 1: that we talked. About i'll be live again On, Sunday
[2:46:48] Speaker 1: i'll be live again On wednesday And. Friday come back
[2:46:51] Speaker 1: and tell me what you learned about. Them, OKAY i
[2:46:54] Speaker 1: definitely will maybe. One i'll catch You wednesday Because i'll
[2:46:57] Speaker 1: be busy for the rest of the other days of your.
[2:46:58] Speaker 1: Life fair, enough all, right jury? Weekend make it. Easyures
[2:47:03] Speaker 1: justin the.
[2:47:04] Speaker 7: SITUATION i wanted to bring up here, too is that
[2:47:07] Speaker 7: if you just draw the reductio and you do a parallel,
[2:47:10] Speaker 7: right if you ask the, question, hey if The muslim
[2:47:13] Speaker 7: was talking to, you, right let's say that the past
[2:47:15] Speaker 7: guest and That muslim told YOU i am. COMMITTED i
[2:47:19] Speaker 7: know it's impossible that The qur'an has. Mistakes is that
[2:47:22] Speaker 7: an honest position or a dishonest? One and that's quite.
[2:47:26] Speaker 1: Clear, yeah that's a million. PERCENT i WISH i had
[2:47:29] Speaker 1: thought about that during the. Conversation but you're, right because
[2:47:32] Speaker 1: when you get to the point where you're reading a
[2:47:33] Speaker 1: book and your starting point is this book cannot be, wrong,
[2:47:38] Speaker 1: well there's no amount of gymnastics you won't do to
[2:47:42] Speaker 1: make the problems go, away even though typically the answers
[2:47:46] Speaker 1: to the problems are horrific. Answers it's. Crazy all, right,
[2:47:50] Speaker 1: Friends i'm gonna go through the super. Chats if we
[2:47:53] Speaker 1: have time left, over we'll take another. Guest Doctor pizza
[2:47:57] Speaker 1: is in the. House good to, see Doctor, pizza says
[2:47:59] Speaker 1: my Neighbor cant that he was Doubting, god and we
[2:48:02] Speaker 1: are up until one am discussing the inconsistencies in The.
[2:48:05] Speaker 1: Bible he seems. Relieved he's not, Crazy Doctor. Pizza this
[2:48:10] Speaker 1: was my experience. Too AS i was reading these problems
[2:48:13] Speaker 1: in The, BIBLE i kept finding, that LIKE i kept
[2:48:17] Speaker 1: going to apologetic websites and finding their arguments to not be.
[2:48:21] Speaker 1: Good they're not good. Arguments AND i, was for a
[2:48:25] Speaker 1: short part like, frustrated because, LIKE i can't be the
[2:48:28] Speaker 1: only purpose person seeing these. Problems and THEN i found
[2:48:32] Speaker 1: all kinds of atheists and agnostic scholars that agreed with.
[2:48:35] Speaker 1: Me but you find them on the level typically of.
[2:48:38] Speaker 1: Scholarship you don't find them typically in like the average
[2:48:42] Speaker 1: church or. Ministry their job is to keep your butt
[2:48:45] Speaker 1: in that. Pew and of afro afro, fire thank you
[2:48:50] Speaker 1: so much for the six sixty. Six appreciate, that says Hail.
[2:48:53] Speaker 1: Doug for his hardness hardens us, all let his rigidity
[2:48:57] Speaker 1: erect us all in the holy pundtown, guys stay erect For.
[2:49:05] Speaker 1: Doug stay rock hard and erect For. Doug it's very
[2:49:10] Speaker 1: important because he's always rock hard for. You And cryptic,
[2:49:13] Speaker 1: says IF i, Had i'm sorry IF i have kidney?
[2:49:16] Speaker 1: Stones does that? Mean, Actually i've got this question a.
[2:49:19] Speaker 1: Lot does that MEAN i have been blessed By? Doug
[2:49:21] Speaker 1: or is this a PUNISHMENT i tried getting stoned For?
[2:49:24] Speaker 1: DOUG i don't know what AM i doing? Wrong this
[2:49:26] Speaker 1: is a fair. Question we get this one quite a.
[2:49:28] Speaker 1: Bit so as it turns, out kidney stones are not From.
[2:49:32] Speaker 1: Doug this Evil yahweh entity is just trying to Imposter,
[2:49:39] Speaker 1: doug claiming to Be doug all the time and then
[2:49:42] Speaker 1: doing horrible things and blaming it on the devil when
[2:49:47] Speaker 1: really It's yahweh doing the horrific. Thing doug's gonna put
[2:49:51] Speaker 1: an end to. It he just he's biting his. Time
[2:49:56] Speaker 1: see isn't that? Crazy like the amount of bullshit, answers
[2:49:58] Speaker 1: you have to come up with the some theological Problems
[2:50:02] Speaker 1: like that, caller he clearly found a theological issue in
[2:50:05] Speaker 1: my Fictitious doug, worldview and you can just make up
[2:50:09] Speaker 1: excuses on the. Spot glow for, show great. Name thank
[2:50:15] Speaker 1: you for the. Supertests it's, amazing amazing to catch a
[2:50:18] Speaker 1: live in the, morning rock hard For doug as always
[2:50:21] Speaker 1: keep cooking justin, well thank, you glow and here's A
[2:50:25] Speaker 1: doug idol right right here on the. Screen here you
[2:50:28] Speaker 1: can see on vertical and overhear my hands cut off
[2:50:31] Speaker 1: on the. Horizontal but, yeah those stones out there On Easter,
[2:50:35] Speaker 1: island those were put there By. DOUG i don't know
[2:50:36] Speaker 1: if anyone knew. This the mystery has been solved for
[2:50:39] Speaker 1: quite some. Time friends and Button, wizard thank you for
[2:50:42] Speaker 1: the ten hour, supertest Says exdus, Twenty god rewards one
[2:50:46] Speaker 1: thousand generations of the. Good this is a. Lie if
[2:50:50] Speaker 1: the world ends soon and just forty generation trillions of
[2:50:55] Speaker 1: people are, involved Does god just suck at? Math do
[2:50:58] Speaker 1: the original tech support? This so the original text is
[2:51:02] Speaker 1: actually pretty, Clear and he says the same thing In
[2:51:05] Speaker 1: exus thirty four to seven if six and, seven IF
[2:51:08] Speaker 1: i remember, correctly we'll pull up both of Them exus
[2:51:12] Speaker 1: twenty and we'll also Do exus thirty four six through
[2:51:18] Speaker 1: seven Because god brags About so this is actually a
[2:51:24] Speaker 1: really good point because this brings up some mathematical. Issues,
[2:51:26] Speaker 1: Right So let's go first to extous thirty Four extra
[2:51:29] Speaker 1: thirty four says DID i type the wrong? Numbers In
[2:51:34] Speaker 1: exus thirty four six through? Seven there we. Go The
[2:51:41] Speaker 1: lord passed before him and proclaimed The, lord The lord A,
[2:51:46] Speaker 1: god merciful and, gracious slow to, anger abounding in steadfast
[2:51:49] Speaker 1: love and, faithfulness keeping steadfast love for the thousands. Generation
[2:51:54] Speaker 1: so this is actually a really interesting. Point If god
[2:51:57] Speaker 1: is gonna love the offspring for a thousand, generations then
[2:52:06] Speaker 1: there seems to be a contradiction because the offspring Of
[2:52:10] Speaker 1: abraham haven't been loved for the thousands of. Generations they've
[2:52:15] Speaker 1: been quite literally. Punished and then he goes on. Further
[2:52:18] Speaker 1: he says forgiving iniquity and transgression and, sin yet by
[2:52:22] Speaker 1: no means clearing the, guilty but visiting the iniquity of
[2:52:26] Speaker 1: the parents upon the children and the children's children to
[2:52:29] Speaker 1: the third and the fourth. Generation so it's just a weird, phrase,
[2:52:32] Speaker 1: like If god is really going to be punishing families,
[2:52:35] Speaker 1: generationally then the thousand generation curse is a bit of a.
[2:52:39] Speaker 1: Problem that means the vast majority of all Of god's
[2:52:43] Speaker 1: people will have been cursed and not blessed based on
[2:52:47] Speaker 1: the thousand year. Curse but to your point on exus,
[2:52:51] Speaker 1: twenty let's see THAT i type in Thirty, yeah exus twenty,
[2:53:00] Speaker 1: seed we're in verse twenty to say the thing you
[2:53:04] Speaker 1: were saying to say, IT i don't think it DOES
[2:53:11] Speaker 1: i think it was just in verse thirty four seven
[2:53:16] Speaker 1: or is it? Twenty? Oh oh? Interesting, Okay so in
[2:53:19] Speaker 1: twenty six says showing steadfast love to the thousandth generation
[2:53:24] Speaker 1: of those who love me and keep my. Commandments, yeah,
[2:53:27] Speaker 1: yeah that makes. Sense yeah, Yeah so, again if you
[2:53:30] Speaker 1: follow the commandments Of, god then one thousand generations after
[2:53:34] Speaker 1: you should be blessed By, god which is kind of
[2:53:36] Speaker 1: a crazy thing to think, about because that actually hasn't
[2:53:39] Speaker 1: been the. Case he's done literally the opposite of. That
[2:53:45] Speaker 1: it also brings in the question how long is one thousand?
[2:53:48] Speaker 1: GENERATIONS i got some questions about. THAT i got some. Questions, anyways,
[2:53:55] Speaker 1: great great. QUESTION i appreciate. That button, wizard And larry
[2:53:59] Speaker 1: says this guest And Triple cross would joyously make baby
[2:54:03] Speaker 1: paste while you know, What, Larry i'm surprised we didn't
[2:54:06] Speaker 1: get around to baby paste argumentation, Today but you're, right
[2:54:10] Speaker 1: those guests would have justified baby paste all day, long
[2:54:13] Speaker 1: and we've got to find a way to do an
[2:54:14] Speaker 1: emoji for. This we really need a baby paste emoji
[2:54:18] Speaker 1: and we need a foreskin. Emoji those are two. Emojis
[2:54:21] Speaker 1: we got to figure out how to get it working
[2:54:23] Speaker 1: because they come up so. OFTEN i don't know how
[2:54:26] Speaker 1: we don't have emojis for. Them but let me. Know
[2:54:28] Speaker 1: if you guys make up some artwork for foreskins and baby,
[2:54:32] Speaker 1: paste let me see what we can do. Here we'll
[2:54:34] Speaker 1: try to get some icons integrated into the. Stream And,
[2:54:37] Speaker 1: iceman thank you for the, superchest says justin thank you
[2:54:40] Speaker 1: for bringing me out of the. Darkness, Well, iceman thank
[2:54:42] Speaker 1: you so much for coming out and being honest and
[2:54:45] Speaker 1: letting us. Know it warms my heart to know, that
[2:54:48] Speaker 1: like the stuff that we're doing up here is making
[2:54:50] Speaker 1: an impact on the. World And, pall thank you for
[2:54:54] Speaker 1: the ten of our, superchest says oh My. Archaeus the
[2:54:58] Speaker 1: effing slavery apologetics. Continues this is the craziest. Thing this
[2:55:01] Speaker 1: is the funny thing about doing slavery apologetics is once it,
[2:55:05] Speaker 1: starts like once you get one or two guests talking about,
[2:55:07] Speaker 1: slavery all The christians in the chat have this thing
[2:55:12] Speaker 1: like welling up inside of them Saying god doesn't really promote.
[2:55:16] Speaker 1: SLAVERY i have to correct the. Record they just feel
[2:55:19] Speaker 1: compelled they have to come, up and then you end
[2:55:22] Speaker 1: up with this endless stream of slavery apologetics because they
[2:55:25] Speaker 1: haven't read the. Book if they had read the, book
[2:55:28] Speaker 1: they wouldn't be up here and kind of thank you
[2:55:30] Speaker 1: so much for the supertest, says list all the horrible
[2:55:32] Speaker 1: things The bible, says you can do it and say
[2:55:35] Speaker 1: it's from The. Koran, well we've actually done this. Before it,
[2:55:38] Speaker 1: says let The christians condemn those and then, say, actually
[2:55:41] Speaker 1: my mistake is The. Bible so we did this With
[2:55:43] Speaker 1: deuteronomy twenty two sometime. Ago we've been meaning to do this.
[2:55:47] Speaker 1: More i'm going to get around to. It this is
[2:55:49] Speaker 1: a really good. Tactic, actually it proves the bias in their.
[2:55:52] Speaker 1: Thinking and aon is thank you for the ten those supertest.
[2:55:56] Speaker 1: Says love being able to catch one of your streams
[2:55:58] Speaker 1: While i'm, working keep cooking and Praise. Doug, well thank
[2:56:01] Speaker 1: You annaust for chiming in for super chatting and support
[2:56:05] Speaker 1: and the. Livestream really appreciate. It my friend And marcus
[2:56:08] Speaker 1: come in and, again thank you so much for the supertest,
[2:56:10] Speaker 1: says why do apologists say you can't compare intentioned service
[2:56:13] Speaker 1: to you to? Slavery you absolutely can in my. Opinion,
[2:56:16] Speaker 1: also there's not a good reason to make someone a,
[2:56:19] Speaker 1: slave not even in The Bronze age or before, That
[2:56:22] Speaker 1: so you're not, Wrong. Marcus so what the apologist will
[2:56:27] Speaker 1: do is they'll try to make up a reason, like,
[2:56:30] Speaker 1: well the slavery was justified because they did something, bad
[2:56:34] Speaker 1: they lost a, war or they committed a crime, Whatever,
[2:56:36] Speaker 1: Right but slavery never has to be the outcome of
[2:56:40] Speaker 1: any of these. Things that's the bottom. Line, like if
[2:56:43] Speaker 1: somebody did something, bad it never needs to result in.
[2:56:47] Speaker 1: Slavery somebody gets caught, stealing they burn their's house, down,
[2:56:50] Speaker 1: whatever the punishment for that never has to be lifetime.
[2:56:54] Speaker 1: Slavery that's, nonsensical that doesn't make any. Sense, Right but
[2:56:59] Speaker 1: in the christ world, view you know slavery is already
[2:57:02] Speaker 1: in the book and you have to find a way
[2:57:04] Speaker 1: to justify. It so you reach, sir thank you for the.
[2:57:09] Speaker 1: BURGER i appreciate the goth. Burger And adam come in.
[2:57:12] Speaker 1: Again good to See. Adam thank you for the, supertest
[2:57:14] Speaker 1: Says bible, saying how to treat each other as useless regarding,
[2:57:17] Speaker 1: slavery because slaves are, property not Fellow. Israelites doesn't say
[2:57:21] Speaker 1: love your property at such a good, Point, adam your
[2:57:24] Speaker 1: property is not your. NEIGHBOR i don't know if people
[2:57:26] Speaker 1: are aware of. This your property is not your. Neighbor
[2:57:29] Speaker 1: you're told to love your, neighbor not your. Property And
[2:57:32] Speaker 1: marcus come in. Again thank you so, much, friend he,
[2:57:34] Speaker 1: Says oh, My, doug great, Line oh My, doug a
[2:57:37] Speaker 1: theist pulling up the Old shapiro arguments of fact not.
[2:57:42] Speaker 1: Feelings is incredibly. Rich you're literally arguing on behalf of, imagination.
[2:57:47] Speaker 1: Sweetie isn't that the craziest? Thing lauren was, wild but
[2:57:51] Speaker 1: give her some. Credit she was willing to actually dig
[2:57:53] Speaker 1: into the, text even though she was gonna lie about
[2:57:57] Speaker 1: what the text actually. Said and a whole whole the, horses,
[2:58:00] Speaker 1: GUYS i. LISTENED i SAID i was going to read
[2:58:02] Speaker 1: all the super, chats and you know That i'm going
[2:58:05] Speaker 1: to read all the super. Chats but, listen we've got
[2:58:08] Speaker 1: we've got to pull.
[2:58:08] Speaker 3: Over we've got to.
[2:58:09] Speaker 1: Pull open some red carpet real. Quick Prophetess Queen, handassa welcome.
[2:58:21] Speaker 3: Back welcome, peasants welcome.
[2:58:24] Speaker 1: Back prophet is prophet?
[2:58:27] Speaker 3: Is it is queen to you?
[2:58:29] Speaker 10: Now?
[2:58:30] Speaker 1: Fantastic what's in your mind? Today what's on my?
[2:58:35] Speaker 10: Mind?
[2:58:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, no nothing This can you give me a? Prophetise?
[2:58:39] Speaker 2: Ever CAN i give?
[2:58:41] Speaker 3: You? No i'm not that type of.
[2:58:42] Speaker 1: Prophet oh it sounds, like.
[2:58:47] Speaker 3: Well what kids aren't.
[2:58:48] Speaker 1: Just here to tell the?
[2:58:49] Speaker 6: Future that's a very that's a subset of what they.
[2:58:51] Speaker 1: Do what can you? Do this here to?
[2:58:53] Speaker 6: Do fortune cookie?
[2:58:53] Speaker 3: Ship what can you do that's?
[2:58:54] Speaker 1: Testable what CAN i do that's?
[2:58:59] Speaker 6: Testable, YEAH.
[2:59:02] Speaker 2: I mean take a.
[2:59:04] Speaker 1: SHIT i don't.
[2:59:05] Speaker 3: Know can you test?
[2:59:05] Speaker 6: That?
[2:59:06] Speaker 1: No, no as a, prophet Because deuteronomy eighteen, says anyone
[2:59:10] Speaker 1: who does not heed the words of that prophet Shall i'm,
[2:59:14] Speaker 1: sorry anyone who does not heed the words that the
[2:59:17] Speaker 1: prophet shall speak in my NAME i will hold. Accountable,
[2:59:20] Speaker 1: Right so if you don't heed the, words hold, on
[2:59:22] Speaker 1: if you don't heed the words of a, prophet then
[2:59:25] Speaker 1: you could be held accountable to. It, now she, says
[2:59:28] Speaker 1: any prophet who presumes to speak in my name a
[2:59:31] Speaker 1: word THAT i have not commanded the prophet to, speak
[2:59:34] Speaker 1: or who speaks in the name of other, gods that
[2:59:36] Speaker 1: prophet shall be. Unalived, Right that's why he. Says you
[2:59:40] Speaker 1: may say to, yourself how can we recognize a word
[2:59:44] Speaker 1: that The lord has not? Spoken if a prophet speaks
[2:59:47] Speaker 1: in the name of The, lord but the thing does
[2:59:49] Speaker 1: not take place or prove, true it is a word
[2:59:52] Speaker 1: that The lord has not. Spoken the prophet has spoken it,
[2:59:55] Speaker 1: presumptuously do not be frightened by. It So i'm looking
[2:59:58] Speaker 1: for a. Reason what's testable in your prophecy THAT i
[3:00:01] Speaker 1: can determine whether or not you're speaking.
[3:00:04] Speaker 10: Presumptuously, well that only refers to words of, knowledge things
[3:00:10] Speaker 10: coming to pass that you would have to.
[3:00:12] Speaker 1: Test what about the?
[3:00:13] Speaker 10: Prophet Like moses was a, prophet he didn't have anything like.
[3:00:17] Speaker 10: That elijah was a, prophet rave big, Prophet john The
[3:00:20] Speaker 10: baptist another big. One, Also jonah is another, one didn't
[3:00:24] Speaker 10: give prophecies.
[3:00:25] Speaker 2: Out jebora is also very.
[3:00:27] Speaker 10: Famous. Samuel so so you guys like you guys like.
[3:00:32] Speaker 1: Psychics that has nothing to do with all of. Them
[3:00:34] Speaker 1: all of them did say things about the future, Occasionally
[3:00:40] Speaker 1: yeah they. Did, okay can you say one thing about?
[3:00:42] Speaker 6: It because they Knew god And god knows the future.
[3:00:44] Speaker 1: Exactly, yeah your, prophet you Know, God god knows the.
[3:00:47] Speaker 1: Future can you tell me something about the.
[3:00:49] Speaker 10: Future WHAT i can tell you is that you don't
[3:00:51] Speaker 10: Put god to a foolish, test which is what this would.
[3:00:54] Speaker 6: Be so you can fuck right?
[3:00:57] Speaker 1: Off why?
[3:00:58] Speaker 3: NOT i just told? You? Why what's he going to?
[3:01:01] Speaker 6: Do what's he going to?
[3:01:03] Speaker 1: Do you can't.
[3:01:04] Speaker 10: STOP, i in my, autonomy am not going To why
[3:01:07] Speaker 10: WOULD i try to tell you. SOMETHING i don't have
[3:01:09] Speaker 10: to prove anything to. You there's billions of, people.
[3:01:14] Speaker 1: WELL i, mean there are billions of people that believe In.
[3:01:16] Speaker 1: Muhammad that's meaningless to.
[3:01:17] Speaker 10: Me so the question is like question whether is meaningful to?
[3:01:22] Speaker 1: Me the question is whether or not there's a good
[3:01:24] Speaker 1: reason to believe?
[3:01:25] Speaker 3: It?
[3:01:25] Speaker 1: Right and so NOW i got that's your. QUESTION i,
[3:01:28] Speaker 1: Mean i've got a supposed bonavide prophet up. Here i'm just.
[3:01:31] Speaker 1: Listen if you're a real, Prophet i'll follow. You BUT
[3:01:35] Speaker 1: i need evidence that you're full of.
[3:01:37] Speaker 8: Shit you just, lie you just, Die you just.
[3:01:39] Speaker 10: Lie, now so you don't want me to you don't
[3:01:40] Speaker 10: want me to get into my.
[3:01:43] Speaker 1: Life i'll be your.
[3:01:47] Speaker 6: Need bold facenybody know and here you're full of.
[3:01:50] Speaker 1: Shit all they need is one. Good all they need
[3:01:53] Speaker 1: is one everybody knows what a lie sounds, Like. Sir
[3:01:56] Speaker 1: all they need is one, good testable prophecy that wouldn't
[3:01:59] Speaker 1: just be. Coincidence And i'm your, disciple so let's have.
[3:02:04] Speaker 1: It what is?
[3:02:04] Speaker 7: It she also seems to be the one and only cussing.
[3:02:12] Speaker 1: Prophet there's not MANY i can think. OF i mean
[3:02:17] Speaker 1: to be, Fair. Saul When saul was overcome by the
[3:02:22] Speaker 1: spirit and started to, prophesy he did get down and
[3:02:26] Speaker 1: dance naked on the. Ground so he did do, That
[3:02:29] Speaker 1: BUT i don't know if he let any cuss words,
[3:02:31] Speaker 1: out if if his dancing madness was also paired With
[3:02:35] Speaker 1: TOURETT'S i don't. Know, Alright, HADASSAH i know you don't
[3:02:42] Speaker 1: know you're, muted but, LISTEN i know you don't have
[3:02:44] Speaker 1: anything to. Contribute come back. Again we'll talk again. Soon
[3:02:47] Speaker 1: bring me a word from The, lord And i'll be your.
[3:02:50] Speaker 1: DISCIPLE i told you that's the, deal all. Right you
[3:02:52] Speaker 1: come back with a word from The lord's, testable, provable,
[3:02:55] Speaker 1: verifiable and you're looking At hadassa's for. Disciple Uh, NO
[3:03:02] Speaker 1: i know you don't have many disciples because you're not
[3:03:04] Speaker 1: a real. Profit but, Listen i'm willing to be a
[3:03:06] Speaker 1: man of my. Word jake cal thank you so much
[3:03:09] Speaker 1: for the. Supertesch jake how, says watched you and m's
[3:03:11] Speaker 1: losing it with laughter and cracking At minari reports at
[3:03:15] Speaker 1: least one hundred times Praised jake col The minar crash
[3:03:19] Speaker 1: out might be my favorite crash out of all crash.
[3:03:22] Speaker 1: Outs it's still my. Face if you guys haven't seen
[3:03:25] Speaker 1: The minar Crash out on my, channel make sure you.
[3:03:28] Speaker 1: Do it's the best crash out. Ever i've watched it
[3:03:32] Speaker 1: myself like five. Times And, marcus thank you so much
[3:03:35] Speaker 1: for the additional supertest Says oh, My Doug athea's pulling
[3:03:38] Speaker 1: up The. Oh i'm, sorry we just read.
[3:03:40] Speaker 3: THAT i.
[3:03:41] Speaker 1: APOLOGIZE i. APOLOGIZE i started double reading, Here flash Says,
[3:03:45] Speaker 1: JUSTIN i missed the first. Hour did you make your announcement?
[3:03:49] Speaker 1: Yet glory be To. DOUG i. Did i'll make it
[3:03:51] Speaker 1: again BECAUSE i have the best audience in the entire
[3:03:56] Speaker 1: interwebs that love and support my, ministry my missionary. Work
[3:04:05] Speaker 1: my last day of formal work at my current employer was.
[3:04:10] Speaker 1: Today now it's possible in the FUTURE i might have
[3:04:12] Speaker 1: to do some private. CONTRACTING i used to do private.
[3:04:14] Speaker 1: Contracting BEFORE i started working for this, Company so it's
[3:04:18] Speaker 1: possible Like i'm going to have months WHERE i got
[3:04:20] Speaker 1: to fill in the, gaps you know WHAT i, Mean
[3:04:22] Speaker 1: like that might happen And i'll do some private, contracting
[3:04:26] Speaker 1: but for, now we'll see what. Happens so we're going
[3:04:30] Speaker 1: to be we're gonna be debating five days a. Week
[3:04:32] Speaker 1: we're going to be doing the. Work we're cranking the
[3:04:34] Speaker 1: dial all the way up to. Eleven if they didn't
[3:04:37] Speaker 1: want you to turn it up to, eleven they wouldn't
[3:04:38] Speaker 1: put eleven on the damn. Amplifier so we're cranking it
[3:04:41] Speaker 1: all the way up to eleven and Dex, Also i'm
[3:04:44] Speaker 1: starting two new live. Streams my schedule after the summer
[3:04:50] Speaker 1: is going to Be tuesday And thursday during the daytime
[3:04:54] Speaker 1: for people who can't watch at, night and Then i'll
[3:04:57] Speaker 1: be Doing wednesday And friday late night as you usual
[3:05:00] Speaker 1: for those Who i'll do the late, night and Then
[3:05:03] Speaker 1: Sunday i'll be bouncing BETWEEN axp and my own channel
[3:05:10] Speaker 1: and Also, unapologetic And i'm trying to get back on the.
[3:05:16] Speaker 1: Line i've got a couple of people That i'm talking
[3:05:19] Speaker 1: to see if we can get paired up sometime on the,
[3:05:21] Speaker 1: line so you'll probably see me on the line. SOMETIMES
[3:05:23] Speaker 1: i don't know If i'll ever get to sit down
[3:05:26] Speaker 1: With Matt Dilla honey on the, line but we'll see what.
[3:05:29] Speaker 7: Happens, dexter thank you for SUING i. AM i am
[3:05:32] Speaker 7: also going to be to serve what he. Knows i'm
[3:05:35] Speaker 7: going to be giving out free memberships to The Deconstruction
[3:05:38] Speaker 7: zone every, Month so even if you can't afford, it
[3:05:41] Speaker 7: tell your friends keep, watching like, them subscribe and you
[3:05:46] Speaker 7: will probably find yourself with a free membership sooner than
[3:05:49] Speaker 7: you know.
[3:05:49] Speaker 1: It Big big w And aaron has been supporting my
[3:05:52] Speaker 1: channel for a long. TIME i can't think of anyone
[3:05:55] Speaker 1: who's doled out as many memberships As aaron And. AARON
[3:05:58] Speaker 1: i really appreciate all you do for the. Channel it's a,
[3:06:00] Speaker 1: huge huge. Help, it's you, know the thing that helps
[3:06:03] Speaker 1: to keep this thing doing what it. Does WHEN i
[3:06:06] Speaker 1: first started the, CHANNEL i never imagined That i'd be
[3:06:09] Speaker 1: able to spend this much time doing What i'm really passionate,
[3:06:13] Speaker 1: about you know WHAT i. Mean And, marcus thank you
[3:06:19] Speaker 1: for sending out Five dzy. Memberships super appreciate. That marcus
[3:06:23] Speaker 1: And dexter both thank you so so. Much and Also
[3:06:26] Speaker 1: Spike mike, Says color was. Sad it literally Says i'm
[3:06:30] Speaker 1: doing the. Thing lie to, yourself not. Us, yeah referring To.
[3:06:33] Speaker 1: Lauren that's the crazy thing that they can read the
[3:06:35] Speaker 1: words Where god is really Saying i'm doing the thing
[3:06:39] Speaker 1: And god's not doing.
[3:06:40] Speaker 3: It god's not doing.
[3:06:41] Speaker 1: It, oh come on you. Listen you can lie to your.
[3:06:44] Speaker 1: Mama you're not gonna lie to. Me i'm not Gonna
[3:06:46] Speaker 1: i'm not gonna believe your. Nonsense jim And jay, Says
[3:06:48] Speaker 1: Hail doug And, Herman Hail doug And herman nudis down
[3:06:58] Speaker 1: With Icy. Jesus the word play in the super chats
[3:07:04] Speaker 1: THAT i get are. Phenomenal Jammy, jay that's a great.
[3:07:06] Speaker 1: WORDPLAY i really appreciate. That never forget about your herman.
[3:07:10] Speaker 1: Nudics AND i approved this message and. Truth thank you
[3:07:17] Speaker 1: for the one hundred and says believe in this objective
[3:07:21] Speaker 1: truth because of our subjective. FEELS i heard it's your.
[3:07:24] Speaker 1: Birthday if it, so happy, birthday justin well, TRUTH i
[3:07:28] Speaker 1: haven't told. Anyone somehow someone found, out but it is
[3:07:30] Speaker 1: actually my. Birthday not only is it my last day
[3:07:33] Speaker 1: of employment at my now former employee place of, employment
[3:07:37] Speaker 1: which by the, way it was sad to, Leave LIKE
[3:07:40] Speaker 1: i really loved the people there AND i enjoyed working.
[3:07:42] Speaker 1: There but, listen if you want to do what you're passionate,
[3:07:45] Speaker 1: about you got to go a whole hog into, it
[3:07:47] Speaker 1: and so that's what we're. Doing but, yeah today is
[3:07:50] Speaker 1: not only my last day of, work it's also my,
[3:07:53] Speaker 1: birthdays so thank you for being. Here. Friends on my,
[3:07:56] Speaker 1: birthday AFTER i end, stream my son AND i are
[3:07:59] Speaker 1: going to get some ice cream and birthday. Cake he's.
[3:08:04] Speaker 1: Autistic he has no idea what a birthday is because
[3:08:06] Speaker 1: he's pretty. Severe but he's going to enjoy the cake
[3:08:09] Speaker 1: in the ash cream, anyways he don't. Care And Saint,
[3:08:12] Speaker 1: brush thank you for the two. Dollars supertest, Says ask
[3:08:14] Speaker 1: The Holy spirit what a verb?
[3:08:15] Speaker 3: Is oh.
[3:08:16] Speaker 1: Listen IF i know anything about The Holy spirit Within
[3:08:19] Speaker 1: christianity is that it doesn't know. Grammar The Holy spirit
[3:08:23] Speaker 1: was very bad with. GRAMMAR i don't Trust christians with
[3:08:26] Speaker 1: grammar at. All And todd welcome to the crack And
[3:08:28] Speaker 1: crew elite and also reluctant theis thank you so much
[3:08:31] Speaker 1: for the ten dollar Euro chat says Is god stuck
[3:08:34] Speaker 1: here like, us with no way. Out if he is
[3:08:40] Speaker 1: from the indefinite to, sorry from time indefinite to time,
[3:08:45] Speaker 1: indefinite then nobody asked him if he wanted to Be?
[3:08:48] Speaker 1: God was he obliged to accept the position by? Default?
[3:08:52] Speaker 1: Reluctant this is such a good. Question, Okay so is
[3:08:58] Speaker 1: there ever a moment and this is my, take is
[3:09:01] Speaker 1: there ever a moment Where god doesn't want to Be god?
[3:09:04] Speaker 1: Anymore where dude is? Bored And i've had this thought,
[3:09:08] Speaker 1: before specifically BECAUSE i was listening to a conversation about.
[3:09:12] Speaker 1: Omniscience and feel me out on, this, All, right if you're, omniscient,
[3:09:18] Speaker 1: right you know every single thing that will ever happen
[3:09:22] Speaker 1: for all of, eternity which means you don't have any,
[3:09:26] Speaker 1: Joy you don't have any. Pleasure. Right first of, all
[3:09:29] Speaker 1: he can't enjoy any of the pleasures we do because
[3:09:31] Speaker 1: he Does, theoretically he's non. Corporeal he can't taste, anything
[3:09:35] Speaker 1: he can't really hear, anything although The bible disagrees with
[3:09:38] Speaker 1: all that. Nonsense he, eats he, talks he. Hears but
[3:09:41] Speaker 1: if you already know, everything IF i know everything that's
[3:09:44] Speaker 1: gonna happen to me, tomorrow unless it's the first time
[3:09:49] Speaker 1: it's ever happened to. Me who gives a.
[3:09:51] Speaker 3: FUCK i.
[3:09:52] Speaker 1: Don't it's not, exciting that's not interesting to. Me, eventually
[3:09:57] Speaker 1: in all knowing entity is going to be bored of
[3:10:00] Speaker 1: his immaterial. Mind it's the most insane. ILLOGICAL i agree With.
[3:10:07] Speaker 1: Luck he at some point he's gonna be, like this is.
[3:10:09] Speaker 1: BULLSHIT i don't want to know what's gonna happen to.
[3:10:13] Speaker 1: Me this is boring as. Hell design, SAYS i just
[3:10:16] Speaker 1: spirit out MY. Pepsi you used it in the verb right.
[3:10:21] Speaker 1: THERE i appreciate. That And avro, says hateful lens Equals justin's. Sniperscope,
[3:10:27] Speaker 1: well thank you for the six sixty. Six and isn't
[3:10:29] Speaker 1: it crazy, that like when you're just asking logical, questions
[3:10:33] Speaker 1: the opposition treats you like you're, bad like you're doing something. Bad, no, no,
[3:10:37] Speaker 1: NO i want to know what's. True, argall thank you
[3:10:40] Speaker 1: so much for the, supertest says you're clearly reading from
[3:10:42] Speaker 1: a critical, lens because when you find, mistakes you don't
[3:10:46] Speaker 1: simply ignore it like you.
[3:10:47] Speaker 3: Should.
[3:10:47] Speaker 1: Ella that's what he was. Saying if you're reading the book,
[3:10:52] Speaker 1: honestly you should ignore all the problems keep in MIND
[3:10:55] Speaker 1: i found most of these problems WHEN i was still A.
[3:10:58] Speaker 1: Christian that's WHY i am not A. Christian, Also reference,
[3:11:02] Speaker 1: Says bible is super consistent constantly. Lying this Is Reverend.
[3:11:07] Speaker 1: Danger this is a very good, observation AND i can't
[3:11:10] Speaker 1: Believe i've never used this in a debate. Before you're,
[3:11:12] Speaker 1: right The bible is consistently doing one, thing lying And,
[3:11:16] Speaker 1: ersman good to see you, again my, friend thank you
[3:11:19] Speaker 1: for the. Fight Our canadian supertest, says there it. Is
[3:11:21] Speaker 1: words don't mean, words and numbers don't mean. Numbers they never.
[3:11:24] Speaker 1: Do they. Can't they can't if you're A. Christian words
[3:11:27] Speaker 1: have no. Meaning and lois thank you for the six
[3:11:30] Speaker 1: sixty six Hail. Satan Hell nero, says what is the
[3:11:33] Speaker 1: best way to debate with A christian who says that
[3:11:35] Speaker 1: the laws from The Old testament were only For israelites
[3:11:38] Speaker 1: except for the Ten commandments those are for. Everyone, well
[3:11:40] Speaker 1: first of, all when it comes to who the laws are,
[3:11:43] Speaker 1: for ask them to provide a. Verse they'll never provide
[3:11:47] Speaker 1: a verse where The bible says that only the Ten
[3:11:51] Speaker 1: commandments are for? Everyone not going to find it doesn't
[3:11:56] Speaker 1: exist when you look at The old testament for passages
[3:12:00] Speaker 1: as to who they pertain. To i've got a spreadsheet
[3:12:06] Speaker 1: or a. DOCUMENT i apologize it's not on the spreadsheet.
[3:12:10] Speaker 1: YET i should put it on the. SPREADSHEET i put
[3:12:12] Speaker 1: together a document a while, ago but that's laid out
[3:12:19] Speaker 1: a handful of verses under the following. Topics i'll work
[3:12:24] Speaker 1: on getting this into THE dz cheat sheet for everyone
[3:12:28] Speaker 1: who has a copy of the cheat. Sheet won't give
[3:12:32] Speaker 1: me one. SECOND i got lost. HERE i don't. Know
[3:12:42] Speaker 1: there we go. NOW i don't know if this is,
[3:12:45] Speaker 1: readable But i'll do something like this on THE dz cheat.
[3:12:51] Speaker 1: Sheet ACTUALLY i got to do it in The excel.
[3:12:53] Speaker 1: FORMAT i got passages for uh is the law Of? God?
[3:12:57] Speaker 1: Perfect is it? Eternal those are all in the. Sheet
[3:13:01] Speaker 1: how long should people obey the law? For that's going
[3:13:04] Speaker 1: to be in, there with versus what to expect about
[3:13:08] Speaker 1: the law during The messianic? Age that's going to be in.
[3:13:10] Speaker 1: There i've got another section down here for who is
[3:13:14] Speaker 1: the law for who is actually applied? To there's a
[3:13:17] Speaker 1: whole section for. That and then the last thing is
[3:13:21] Speaker 1: just some common talking. Points is the law difficult to?
[3:13:24] Speaker 1: Follow of course? Not of course? Not and then Did
[3:13:27] Speaker 1: jesus address the law he Did matthew. Five So i'll
[3:13:31] Speaker 1: integrate this into the cheat sheet BECAUSE i think this
[3:13:34] Speaker 1: would be the best way to answer your question because
[3:13:37] Speaker 1: it is kind of an in depth question. Skills so
[3:13:41] Speaker 1: if you're if you're not already following me or, subscribe
[3:13:46] Speaker 1: go ahead and JUST dm me On discord and then
[3:13:51] Speaker 1: the the sheet THAT i showed you with the verses on.
[3:13:55] Speaker 1: IT i can just send you that sheet OVER dm
[3:13:58] Speaker 1: In discord and you can and away with. It, ops
[3:14:02] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the. Fight doar supertest says
[3:14:04] Speaker 1: when a color argues that natural disasters are punishment for original,
[3:14:07] Speaker 1: sin ask why do these disasters also occur on all known?
[3:14:11] Speaker 1: Planets so this is actually a really good, point and you're.
[3:14:14] Speaker 1: Right we haven't talked about it, BEFORE i Think ian
[3:14:16] Speaker 1: and Doctor Blitz i've heard talk about it because craters
[3:14:20] Speaker 1: hit The, moon we have tornadoes On. Jupiter Isn't jupiter
[3:14:26] Speaker 1: of the planet with the big red the big red,
[3:14:27] Speaker 1: SPOT i? Believe so, yeah like these natural disasters that
[3:14:31] Speaker 1: we find here on the planet makes us everywhere, else,
[3:14:34] Speaker 1: Right but the planet is exhibiting behavior that seems to
[3:14:37] Speaker 1: be common for our. Universe so the fact that it's happening,
[3:14:40] Speaker 1: HERE i think is more parsimonious with the idea that
[3:14:43] Speaker 1: the universe is chaotic and not. Designed And, neil thank
[3:14:47] Speaker 1: you for the, supertest SAYS i hope y'all is going
[3:14:48] Speaker 1: to share the super chat cash with TOP g because
[3:14:52] Speaker 1: he's been provided in an awful lot of entertainment in these. Comments, well,
[3:14:57] Speaker 1: UNFORTUNATELY i can't read all the. Comments i've actually got
[3:14:59] Speaker 1: comments going on TikTok and comments going on both YouTube,
[3:15:05] Speaker 1: channels and So i'm only seeing comments very sparsely here and.
[3:15:10] Speaker 1: There so, unfortunately like when something's, happening a lot of,
[3:15:15] Speaker 1: Times i'm not seeing, it especially Because i'm in the
[3:15:17] Speaker 1: middle of the. Conversation but TOP, g thank you for
[3:15:21] Speaker 1: boosting me in the algorithm by endlessly. Commenting And, network
[3:15:25] Speaker 1: thank you for the ten that super, chat says fellow
[3:15:27] Speaker 1: Engineer network From. Ohio i've been following Since. November not an,
[3:15:31] Speaker 1: atheist BUT i always enjoyed. Cooking, nonetheless keep it, up
[3:15:34] Speaker 1: but thank You. NETWORK i appreciate. That and a big
[3:15:36] Speaker 1: shout out BIG w for. Engineers we make the world go. Around,
[3:15:40] Speaker 1: literally we created the coordinate, System so BIG w, there And,
[3:15:44] Speaker 1: jay thank you for the six sixty Six. Hill nero,
[3:15:46] Speaker 1: Says i'm so happy someone found out to turn off
[3:15:49] Speaker 1: YOUR vpn to send superchats Praise. Doug, ACTUALLY i don't
[3:15:53] Speaker 1: even use A. VPN i should because trust me WHEN
[3:15:55] Speaker 1: i tell you there are people trying to get after.
[3:15:57] Speaker 1: Me But, jay thank you for the Superchat nero And jimmy,
[3:16:01] Speaker 1: says stay humble our Prophet. Prophetess prophetess is always humble
[3:16:05] Speaker 1: and she comes up. Here but she did dominate me
[3:16:09] Speaker 1: with her pinky finger last. Time what she, Said jay
[3:16:12] Speaker 1: also sending out A dez. MEMBERSHIP i super appreciate. That
[3:16:15] Speaker 1: jay AND E, boogie thank you for the five. Dollars
[3:16:18] Speaker 1: supertest is not this, clown famously the least Humble christian.
[3:16:21] Speaker 1: Ever she's comfortably out of her, mind Praise. Doug if
[3:16:25] Speaker 1: not for, HER i might still Be you're right Handassa.
[3:16:30] Speaker 1: IS i hate to say, it BUT i don't think she's.
[3:16:34] Speaker 1: Fully she's not all, there all all there is to.
[3:16:37] Speaker 1: It And eric, says If justin gets maulled by, Bears i'm. Converting, actually,
[3:16:41] Speaker 1: yeah if she predicted that for making fun of The,
[3:16:44] Speaker 1: Prophetess i'm gonna get maulled by Two shia. Bears that
[3:16:47] Speaker 1: would be a good reason to convert if it actually,
[3:16:49] Speaker 1: happens And design says bye Bye. Hadassah thanks for the.
[3:16:52] Speaker 1: HUMBLING i know we're all so. Humbled i'll see you
[3:16:55] Speaker 1: in Church, sunday, guys And billy, says totally need to
[3:16:58] Speaker 1: see you do something With paula Ga, Actually i've been
[3:17:01] Speaker 1: communicating With Paula gia over. Email i'm working on getting
[3:17:04] Speaker 1: together with him on a topic concerning the. Resurrection you're
[3:17:08] Speaker 1: gonna love. It i'm gonna be bringing out lots of
[3:17:11] Speaker 1: ancient resources to contextualize what people thought about resurrecting people
[3:17:16] Speaker 1: in that time. PERIOD i hope we could work something.
[3:17:19] Speaker 1: Out if, Not i'll do a long form video on my.
[3:17:21] Speaker 1: Channel but, yeah he is the resurrection. Guy i'm hoping
[3:17:25] Speaker 1: we can get a video put together about the. Resurrection
[3:17:28] Speaker 1: it's gonna be. Awesome vegas, says cracking is what the
[3:17:32] Speaker 1: profit needs to get her magic eight ball Into Doug
[3:17:36] Speaker 1: actually one hundred, percent AND i did finally. Fine actually
[3:17:45] Speaker 1: found a THREE d print THAT i could, modify AND
[3:17:48] Speaker 1: i made a crack and bottle holder that fits the
[3:17:51] Speaker 1: crack and bottle. Perfectly it sits on the. SHELF i
[3:17:53] Speaker 1: got to do a little more modification to, it But
[3:17:56] Speaker 1: I'm i'm going to start printing some crack and bottle
[3:17:59] Speaker 1: holders as some. Giveaways but, yeah, guys enjoy some. Cracking
[3:18:05] Speaker 1: it's the best rum on the. PLANET, nbc thank you
[3:18:08] Speaker 1: for gifting out FIVE dz. MEMBERSHIPS i really appreciate. That
[3:18:11] Speaker 1: And donnie, says congratulations and happy. Birthday doug has truly blessed,
[3:18:15] Speaker 1: you he really. Has And, donnie thank you so much
[3:18:18] Speaker 1: for being, here thank you for, supporting thank you for super.
[3:18:20] Speaker 1: Chatting you guys are the. Blessing you're the ones that
[3:18:23] Speaker 1: make this. Possible And bookie SAYS LFG, hbd congratch a
[3:18:28] Speaker 1: happy birthday and let's fucking. Go well deserved Praise. Doug
[3:18:31] Speaker 1: i'm with. You let's. Go we're gonna, cook, cook, cook
[3:18:35] Speaker 1: and dry. Potatoes thank you for the happy, birthday. SUPERCHED
[3:18:38] Speaker 1: i appreciate. That and also From, bucky thank you for
[3:18:42] Speaker 1: the sixty six sixty Six bucky big w he, says Praise,
[3:18:46] Speaker 1: doug thank you for. That he, says are you a
[3:18:49] Speaker 1: five oh ONE c? Three so Actually i'm getting an
[3:18:51] Speaker 1: appointment next week with A cpa to go over the
[3:18:56] Speaker 1: ins and outs of how to do this the best
[3:18:58] Speaker 1: way possible without getting raked over the calls by the
[3:19:02] Speaker 1: government or doing something stupid and like getting my, business you,
[3:19:06] Speaker 1: know getting in some sort of tax legal issues from
[3:19:09] Speaker 1: doing this the wrong. WAY i THINK i have a
[3:19:11] Speaker 1: pretty good handle on. IT i used to run my
[3:19:13] Speaker 1: own business BEFORE i was working for my prior, company
[3:19:17] Speaker 1: SO i have a pretty good handle on how the
[3:19:18] Speaker 1: taxes are. Handled but, Yeah i'm gonna Be i'm gonna
[3:19:23] Speaker 1: be filing both for a corporation and for a five
[3:19:28] Speaker 1: to ONE c. Three for various, reasons there'll be separate.
[3:19:31] Speaker 1: Entities one is BECAUSE i want to Do i'm going
[3:19:35] Speaker 1: to continue doing charitable work on this, channel BUT i
[3:19:37] Speaker 1: want to make sure that that people can get receipts
[3:19:40] Speaker 1: for their charitable. Giving people can can actually have something
[3:19:43] Speaker 1: that they take to their tax man and say, YES
[3:19:45] Speaker 1: i gave to a. Nonprofit so eventually we're going to
[3:19:49] Speaker 1: get a five to ONE z three and a corporation
[3:19:52] Speaker 1: set up. Properly and. Flash thank you for the forty,
[3:19:56] Speaker 1: nine big big W. FLASH i super appreciate, it says
[3:19:58] Speaker 1: happy BIRTHDAY i create is on. Me you speak so
[3:20:02] Speaker 1: well of your. Son he's lucky to have. You. Well
[3:20:03] Speaker 1: thank you so. Much, flash that's really generous of. You and,
[3:20:06] Speaker 1: listen my life revolves around my. Son he's the only
[3:20:09] Speaker 1: thing that matters to. Me you, know he's the best.
[3:20:12] Speaker 1: Thing and he's the sweetest boy you're ever gonna. Meet
[3:20:14] Speaker 1: like a lot of little boys LIKE i was destructive
[3:20:17] Speaker 1: as a little, boy he's so. Sweet he's. AMAZING i
[3:20:21] Speaker 1: Can't there's not enough good THINGS i can say about my.
[3:20:23] Speaker 1: Son i'd be here all. Day Space, lord thank you
[3:20:26] Speaker 1: for the superdest Says john eight to. Two you will
[3:20:28] Speaker 1: know the, truth and the truth will set you. Free
[3:20:30] Speaker 1: best verse in The, bible and it's not. Close grats on.
[3:20:33] Speaker 1: Unemployment thank you so. Much, Spacelorders you're. Right the truth
[3:20:36] Speaker 1: is gonna set you free from the lies in this.
[3:20:39] Speaker 1: Book this is the one thing the book said that was.
[3:20:41] Speaker 1: True And, fern thank you so much for the superdest
[3:20:43] Speaker 1: SAYS i need a cheat sheet Disproving god equals love
[3:20:47] Speaker 1: compared with First corinthian? Definition is that available? Anywhere discord
[3:20:52] Speaker 1: link in a resource? Channel? Maybe, well if you're subscribed
[3:20:55] Speaker 1: to the, channel that contradiction is.
[3:20:58] Speaker 3: On my cheat.
[3:20:58] Speaker 1: Sheet it's on the ten of the cheat sheet labeled
[3:21:01] Speaker 1: Contradictions in Fact i'll show it to you real, quick let's.
[3:21:06] Speaker 1: See and there have been some, PEOPLE i think in
[3:21:09] Speaker 1: the discord they have their own cheat sheets if you
[3:21:13] Speaker 1: really want to get in. There but there is a
[3:21:17] Speaker 1: section here here we. Go, yeah First, john First corinthians And.
[3:21:22] Speaker 1: Exodus god cannot be love and also, Jealous so that's
[3:21:26] Speaker 1: a contradiction that shows up on the cheat. SHEET i
[3:21:28] Speaker 1: got a lot of tabs on the cheat, sheet, guys is.
[3:21:31] Speaker 1: UNBELIEVABLE i don't know IF i told. EVERYONE i started
[3:21:34] Speaker 1: another tab That i've been filling out that you guys
[3:21:37] Speaker 1: are really gonna. Love there are alternative resurrection. Accounts i've
[3:21:40] Speaker 1: got the resurrection account so far Of, aristius the resurrection
[3:21:44] Speaker 1: account Of, nero the resurrection account Of, alcestis the resurrection
[3:21:47] Speaker 1: of account Of ramsey's the. Second so we've got lots
[3:21:51] Speaker 1: of material being added to the cheat sheet all the,
[3:21:53] Speaker 1: time and obviously the ancient sources.
[3:21:56] Speaker 3: To go with.
[3:21:56] Speaker 7: It you, Know JUSTIN i was gonna, say you, know
[3:22:01] Speaker 7: you going full time on the same day as your,
[3:22:04] Speaker 7: birthday that's absolute proof Of doug period it.
[3:22:08] Speaker 1: Is you couldn't time That quinson's any, better could. You
[3:22:12] Speaker 1: it's just it's just a rock solid proof That doug
[3:22:14] Speaker 1: is the god that that gives and takes. Away that's.
[3:22:19] Speaker 7: It If yahwey didn't want it to, happen he would
[3:22:21] Speaker 7: have stopped.
[3:22:21] Speaker 3: It he. Didn't doug is better.
[3:22:22] Speaker 1: A million percent Praise, doug And marcus, SAYS i Love.
[3:22:26] Speaker 1: Hadassa she's so, unhinged it's. Amazing, Actually, Marcus I'm i'm
[3:22:30] Speaker 1: in agreement with. You some people are so unhinged that
[3:22:33] Speaker 1: it's like free. Entertainment it's kind of like watching a train.
[3:22:36] Speaker 1: Wreck you just can't look, away or, LIKE i know
[3:22:38] Speaker 1: it's gonna be, bad BUT i, GOTTA i gotta do. It,
[3:22:41] Speaker 1: master thank you for the four ninety nine says best
[3:22:43] Speaker 1: show on. YouTube And, TikTok thanks for. Entertainment since we
[3:22:47] Speaker 1: were talking about, Verbs Holy spirit's favorite is Fuck. PERDOSA
[3:22:54] Speaker 1: i think you're. Right actually she's a. Prophet she's the fucking,
[3:22:58] Speaker 1: prophet that's for. Sure And marcus says a happy birthday
[3:23:03] Speaker 1: justin thank, You, marcus thanks for the. Barbecue you're the. Man,
[3:23:05] Speaker 1: well thank you for supporting the. Channel, MARCUS i really appreciate.
[3:23:09] Speaker 1: That And billy, says can can someone? Tell can some
[3:23:15] Speaker 1: can some? Tell A? Christian it's okay to SAY i
[3:23:18] Speaker 1: don't know instead of making bs. Excises So, bill this
[3:23:21] Speaker 1: is a really good. Point, okay and we've talked about this.
[3:23:23] Speaker 1: Before so WHAT i was A, Christian my goal was
[3:23:26] Speaker 1: to be an Honest, christian and as an Honest, christian
[3:23:30] Speaker 1: WHEN i got the difficult, THINGS i had to look
[3:23:32] Speaker 1: at it and, say, OH i don't. KNOW i don't.
[3:23:34] Speaker 1: Know let me look into. It you know WHAT i.
[3:23:37] Speaker 1: Mean WHAT i didn't do is bend over. Backwards, ALSO
[3:23:39] Speaker 1: i see more super chats coming. In, Friends i'm running
[3:23:43] Speaker 1: out of. TIME i got to end at five. O'CLOCK
[3:23:45] Speaker 1: i got a half hour. Left SO i love. You
[3:23:48] Speaker 1: save your super chats For. Sunday we'll be live Again sunday,
[3:23:50] Speaker 1: night per the typical. Time save your super chests For.
[3:23:53] Speaker 1: Sunday let me get through what we have. HERE i
[3:23:56] Speaker 1: don't want to miss any super. Chests last, time we
[3:23:58] Speaker 1: had so many super chats On friday THAT i didn't
[3:24:01] Speaker 1: get to all of. THEM i probably left like fifteen
[3:24:03] Speaker 1: or twenty of them. Hanging AND i. APOLOGIZE i never
[3:24:05] Speaker 1: want to do that. Anyone my policy here is anyone
[3:24:08] Speaker 1: who's spent their harder money To, superchat they at least
[3:24:10] Speaker 1: deserve some recognition for, it you know WHAT i? Mean,
[3:24:13] Speaker 1: like maybe the channel one day will get so big
[3:24:14] Speaker 1: THAT i can't read all of. THEM i don't know
[3:24:16] Speaker 1: if that's going to be the. Case but the fact
[3:24:18] Speaker 1: of the matter, is you guys are, here you're spending
[3:24:22] Speaker 1: your time with, Me you're spending your support on the.
[3:24:25] Speaker 1: CHANNEL i want to make sure you guys get the
[3:24:27] Speaker 1: recognition for. It And sala, Says i'm very intelligent something
[3:24:30] Speaker 1: an intelligent person never has to, clarify which is such
[3:24:33] Speaker 1: a good point because the person who says they're cool
[3:24:36] Speaker 1: is never. Cool the person who claims to be intelligent
[3:24:38] Speaker 1: is never. Intelligent intelligent people cool. People these are characteristics
[3:24:45] Speaker 1: of people that you. Know you notice them. Right you
[3:24:47] Speaker 1: don't have to be told about. Them the people who
[3:24:50] Speaker 1: are telling you about them are the ones who clearly
[3:24:51] Speaker 1: don't have. It And, doug thank you for the super,
[3:24:54] Speaker 1: chat says a great. Name by the, Way Doug brown,
[3:24:56] Speaker 1: says come, on, people words don't mean words unless they
[3:24:59] Speaker 1: do mean then they do until they. Don't OBVIOUSLY i
[3:25:02] Speaker 1: couldn't make. IT i couldn't say it better than, Myself.
[3:25:04] Speaker 1: Doug the words simply cannot have meetings unless they need
[3:25:08] Speaker 1: to have. Meetings then they have the, meetings except when
[3:25:09] Speaker 1: they don't have the meetings because obviously words don't have.
[3:25:12] Speaker 1: Meetings And selah, says does he think that laying or
[3:25:15] Speaker 1: going into ten cockubines is somehow consensual in a, Way So,
[3:25:19] Speaker 1: sila that was gonna be the next Apologetic actually About
[3:25:23] Speaker 1: david's ten. Cocubines the crazy thing is the first apologetic
[3:25:27] Speaker 1: he was attempting was that going into the concubines didn't
[3:25:32] Speaker 1: mean having sex with. Them that was his initial, claim
[3:25:36] Speaker 1: which is. Crazy. Joyful thank you for The Happy. FRIDAY
[3:25:40] Speaker 1: i appreciate. That, also Can, mom thank you so much
[3:25:43] Speaker 1: for the cat And Senior. Breezy thank you for subbing on.
[3:25:48] Speaker 1: TikTok i really appreciate. That and Can mom with the
[3:25:51] Speaker 1: birthday cake as, well And science with the confetti big W,
[3:25:54] Speaker 1: SCIENCE i appreciate. That Crispin, chunk thank you so much as.
[3:25:58] Speaker 1: Well good to see it. Tonight it's not, tonight it's this.
[3:26:01] Speaker 1: Morning is this? Morning my time frame is? OFF zm
[3:26:04] Speaker 1: Says christian men talking about grape like it's just an object.
[3:26:08] Speaker 1: LESSON i hate. It so this gets to the point
[3:26:11] Speaker 1: where what's shocking to me is not Like i'm used
[3:26:15] Speaker 1: to men reading those passages and brushing them. Aside what's
[3:26:18] Speaker 1: shocking to me is when women do it. Right it's
[3:26:21] Speaker 1: like you can almost see why a man could compartmentalize that,
[3:26:26] Speaker 1: Nonsense but when a woman does, it it's painful to.
[3:26:30] Speaker 1: Watch it's like when a black person is defending biblical,
[3:26:33] Speaker 1: slavery it's painful to. Watch what are you? Doing why
[3:26:35] Speaker 1: are you hating on? Yourself And sala come in and,
[3:26:38] Speaker 1: again thank, You silah, says justin you're too, sensitive, Obviously
[3:26:41] Speaker 1: how dare you have empathy and compassion for random women getting?
[3:26:45] Speaker 1: Grape shame on, Me, actually shame on me for having
[3:26:51] Speaker 1: empathy for innocent women getting. Graped it's. Crazy salegan, says
[3:26:58] Speaker 1: this guest probably thinks it's a punished for the, man
[3:27:01] Speaker 1: not the, women because he sees women for men's. Pleasure you're,
[3:27:04] Speaker 1: right and we've heard that. Before we've heard plenty of
[3:27:06] Speaker 1: vacations where the caller will say something, like, well, yeah
[3:27:09] Speaker 1: But david was punished because it hurts the husband when
[3:27:13] Speaker 1: their wives are you, know. CREATED i, think, yeah that's
[3:27:16] Speaker 1: crazy that you think that's an acceptable means of. Punishment,
[3:27:21] Speaker 1: krill thank you for the one twenty nine se, case
[3:27:23] Speaker 1: it's nice seeing you live once. AGAIN i have a small,
[3:27:26] Speaker 1: question have you ever considered debating people Like Andrew wilson
[3:27:29] Speaker 1: And Sam? Shimun, SO i, mean CERTAINLY i would Debate
[3:27:32] Speaker 1: Sam shamun Or Andrew wilson if they showed up. Here
[3:27:35] Speaker 1: Andrew wilson is probably off the table because he just
[3:27:38] Speaker 1: does political, nonsense so, like he's not really in my my, sphere,
[3:27:43] Speaker 1: Right i'm concerned about whether or not it's. True what
[3:27:46] Speaker 1: you do about it is your. Business. Now Sam, shimun
[3:27:50] Speaker 1: he does debate against, atheism but he debates more Against
[3:27:54] Speaker 1: islam than. Atheism but he KNOWS i. Exist he's been
[3:27:58] Speaker 1: on My facebook even stupid comments, before so he knows that.
[3:28:02] Speaker 1: Exist he's never going to show up. Here and AGAIN
[3:28:05] Speaker 1: i don't blame him Because sam's doing the same Thing i'm.
[3:28:08] Speaker 3: Doing.
[3:28:09] Speaker 1: Right sam is, saying here's my, message here's my. Platform
[3:28:13] Speaker 1: can you prove me? Wrong and to be, fair most
[3:28:15] Speaker 1: people aren't prepared to debate. Them but Also Shampion moon
[3:28:19] Speaker 1: is kind of a prick that talks over, everybody kicks
[3:28:22] Speaker 1: people whenever they make good, points and mutes them even
[3:28:25] Speaker 1: when they're not. Talking because he's just kind of a,
[3:28:28] Speaker 1: barbarian and like he can't talk for more than five
[3:28:31] Speaker 1: minutes without insulting you and your, mother and like he's
[3:28:34] Speaker 1: just he's not a rational. Debater so, like no one's
[3:28:38] Speaker 1: gonna come on To sam's debate stream and get. Anywhere
[3:28:42] Speaker 1: but that being, SAID i don't expect him to come,
[3:28:44] Speaker 1: Here ziem, Says and now the guest is doing the
[3:28:47] Speaker 1: Very christian thing of labeling empathy as a weak character
[3:28:50] Speaker 1: trait and somehow less valuable than teaching a, lesson which
[3:28:53] Speaker 1: is the weirdest thing Because jesus theoretically had these empathetic, characteristics,
[3:28:58] Speaker 1: Right so like The christian will look at me and, like,
[3:29:01] Speaker 1: WELL i shouldn't have. Empathy we're just, ants But Jesus,
[3:29:04] Speaker 1: jesus And jesus, said if you touch even the hair
[3:29:09] Speaker 1: on the head of one of these little ones will
[3:29:10] Speaker 1: be you, know you might as well have a millstone
[3:29:13] Speaker 1: tied around your. Neck so, like Obviously jesus had some,
[3:29:17] Speaker 1: empathy and unashamed, says this grape apologist needs a reality.
[3:29:22] Speaker 1: Check christianity is so toxic they don't even hear. Themselves
[3:29:25] Speaker 1: so this is the point that this is the thing
[3:29:27] Speaker 1: that religion does to you unashamed is you'll get into
[3:29:31] Speaker 1: the dialogue and you're so concerned not about being, rational
[3:29:35] Speaker 1: you're so concerned about defending your point of view that
[3:29:39] Speaker 1: you'll say horrific shit just to defend your point of
[3:29:43] Speaker 1: view without realizing all the time you're saying horrific. Shit
[3:29:46] Speaker 1: and we see it all the time, Here rashad, says another,
[3:29:49] Speaker 1: day Another christian defending. Grape that, listen it's gonna happen
[3:29:53] Speaker 1: every TIME i bring up the punishment of the ten,
[3:29:56] Speaker 1: concubines somebody is going to justify why it was good
[3:30:01] Speaker 1: For god to do.
[3:30:02] Speaker 3: It they have.
[3:30:03] Speaker 1: To they don't have a. Choice either, one it didn't,
[3:30:06] Speaker 1: happen the words mean different, words or number, Two god
[3:30:09] Speaker 1: had a reason for. It so those are the only
[3:30:11] Speaker 1: things you can. Do And, STEVE i don't know why
[3:30:14] Speaker 1: you keep giving me your. Money why do you hate
[3:30:17] Speaker 1: watch my channel so? Much it says, autonomous pro choice
[3:30:21] Speaker 1: atheist women won't go to hell for murdering their unborn human.
[3:30:24] Speaker 1: Children there is no. EVIL i, agree there is no,
[3:30:27] Speaker 1: evil and nobody's going to be going to hell because
[3:30:29] Speaker 1: hell doesn't. Exist AND i don't believe. That you, know
[3:30:34] Speaker 1: fetuses are sentient nor other human. BEINGS i think after
[3:30:39] Speaker 1: what eight weeks they developed the ability to feel. Pain
[3:30:44] Speaker 1: after on twelve or thirteen weeks they start becoming vaguely.
[3:30:48] Speaker 1: SENTIENT i don't know what the weeks. ARE i know
[3:30:51] Speaker 1: there is a time period where they do start feeling
[3:30:53] Speaker 1: pain and they do become. Sentient and that's WHEN i would, agree,
[3:30:57] Speaker 1: yeah maybe we, shouldn't you, know be hard these these,
[3:31:00] Speaker 1: things these. Igoats but before that, point, NO i, mean
[3:31:06] Speaker 1: it's it's up to and, certainly if you have to
[3:31:08] Speaker 1: choose between a life of the woman and the life
[3:31:10] Speaker 1: of the, fetus why the woman should be allowed to.
[3:31:12] Speaker 1: Choose that's her. CHOICE i don't have to say in that,
[3:31:14] Speaker 1: shit it's her. Life she's the one bearing the. Child dustin,
[3:31:18] Speaker 1: Says god is our workout, coach and evil is building muscle.
[3:31:22] Speaker 1: Mass baby cancer or grape are just leg. Day nobody likes,
[3:31:25] Speaker 1: it but the Flex praise. World, jesus you're. Right the
[3:31:30] Speaker 1: baby murder is this leg. Day, listen you're not supposed
[3:31:34] Speaker 1: to skip leg. DAY i know it's. HARD i know
[3:31:36] Speaker 1: you can't climb. Stairs the next day that, happens but
[3:31:40] Speaker 1: you can't skip leg. DAY i didn't realize.
[3:31:41] Speaker 3: THAT i.
[3:31:42] Speaker 1: APOLOGIZE i didn't realize that unalizing babies with swords is
[3:31:46] Speaker 1: just a leg. DAY i got it tough. Enough i'll toughen,
[3:31:49] Speaker 1: up guys and The freemason thank you again for the
[3:31:52] Speaker 1: denose of protest. Is i'm Raised, christian But i'm more
[3:31:56] Speaker 1: of a, creationist not Strictly, christian BUT i do believe
[3:31:58] Speaker 1: in a. Crater when and how DO i come on
[3:32:02] Speaker 1: as a? Caller so if you're watching this on YouTube
[3:32:05] Speaker 1: and you, are there's a link in the description of
[3:32:07] Speaker 1: the video where you can join and you can come
[3:32:09] Speaker 1: up and talk about your belief In. God you can
[3:32:12] Speaker 1: also get on TikTok and join via, TikTok but the
[3:32:15] Speaker 1: easiest way is whatever works for. You either one of
[3:32:18] Speaker 1: those is. Fine And judas, says just heard today today
[3:32:22] Speaker 1: is a big day of change for, you as it
[3:32:23] Speaker 1: was for told two weeks. Ago did it fulfill? Prophecy it?
[3:32:27] Speaker 1: Did actually.
[3:32:30] Speaker 3: It.
[3:32:30] Speaker 1: DID i told you THAT i had a big, announcement
[3:32:33] Speaker 1: AND i do have a big. Announcement prophecy fulfilled hadassa
[3:32:37] Speaker 1: zero justin one And, mac thank you for THE dz.
[3:32:42] Speaker 1: MEMBERSHIP i appreciate. That, frank thank you for the ten hour, shiprotest,
[3:32:45] Speaker 1: says my, man what's the work? NEWS i must have missed.
[3:32:49] Speaker 1: It congrats whatever it, Is So, FRANK i never envisioned
[3:32:55] Speaker 1: having the ability to cook theists full, time But i'm
[3:33:00] Speaker 1: at a support level because the audience here is so
[3:33:03] Speaker 1: amazing and so, good And i'm able to push out
[3:33:07] Speaker 1: content that the algorithm actually pushes out for. Me which
[3:33:10] Speaker 1: is another. Thing if you see my, videos just, watch,
[3:33:13] Speaker 1: like in. Comment that go a long. Way, Friends it
[3:33:15] Speaker 1: would go a long way to watch like and comment
[3:33:17] Speaker 1: the videos when they come, out because the algorithm really
[3:33:21] Speaker 1: helps to keep the channel. Going, so like you, know
[3:33:23] Speaker 1: a third or a half of all revenue on YouTube
[3:33:27] Speaker 1: is from just the algorithm showing your video to. People
[3:33:30] Speaker 1: so the more we can push the videos, out the
[3:33:33] Speaker 1: better we. Do so, definitely thank you so much for
[3:33:35] Speaker 1: all the support and all the indirect, support SO i
[3:33:38] Speaker 1: really appreciate. That, Also randy sent out ten MORE dz.
[3:33:44] Speaker 1: Memberships thank you so, Much, RANDY i really appreciate. That
[3:33:48] Speaker 1: big big w For. Randy and Also Kyle kay in the.
[3:33:51] Speaker 1: House thank you so, Much kyle for the twenty dollars super.
[3:33:53] Speaker 1: Chat kyle, says ever heard of that dude that had
[3:33:57] Speaker 1: a railroad spike go through his. Head OH i have,
[3:34:00] Speaker 1: YEAH i was in like the eighteen. Hundreds he was a,
[3:34:02] Speaker 1: normal upstanding person, before but after the accident he became
[3:34:05] Speaker 1: a totally different. Person so this is such a really good.
[3:34:08] Speaker 1: Case this case comes up when we're studying personality changes
[3:34:12] Speaker 1: in how it affects the brain and different things like.
[3:34:15] Speaker 1: That let me grab the name of the guy because
[3:34:17] Speaker 1: anyone who hasn't heard of this story needs to hear
[3:34:20] Speaker 1: about this. Story let me find. It Phineas. Gauge that's
[3:34:30] Speaker 1: the guy we're looking.
[3:34:31] Speaker 3: Around.
[3:34:31] Speaker 1: Kyle thank you so much for that. Suggestion i'm gonna
[3:34:33] Speaker 1: put on the. Screen Phineas gage was a worker who
[3:34:36] Speaker 1: got a railway spike that went through his eyeball through his,
[3:34:38] Speaker 1: brain and he had significant personality. Changes you can read
[3:34:43] Speaker 1: about his. Case there's a bunch of YouTube documentaries About
[3:34:47] Speaker 1: Phineas gauge as. WELL i highly recommend reading the case
[3:34:51] Speaker 1: Of Phineas. Gage it's. Amazing you're gonna learn about, biology
[3:34:55] Speaker 1: and you're going to learn about psychology and neurology maybe
[3:34:58] Speaker 1: even it's. Fabulous, kyle great, suggestion and also the comic The.
[3:35:04] Speaker 1: Commentorium thank you for the super jest, says thanks for the.
[3:35:07] Speaker 1: Membership elephantine equals island in The. Nile it's believed to
[3:35:13] Speaker 1: be the source of all waters IF i remember. Correctly
[3:35:17] Speaker 1: there must be some mythology About Elephantine i'm unaware. OF
[3:35:22] Speaker 1: i know That elephantine is a place In egypt along The.
[3:35:25] Speaker 1: NILE i Can't i'm not aware of any islands in The.
[3:35:30] Speaker 1: Nile is it an? Island AM i? Crazy hold? ON
[3:35:38] Speaker 1: i was gonna type in in in actual quotation Marks
[3:35:42] Speaker 1: Elephantine island and see if anything pops. Up, okay if
[3:35:49] Speaker 1: you go To, britannica it Says Elephantine island in The.
[3:35:54] Speaker 1: Nile there's. So it actually is a. Sandbar, basic it's
[3:36:00] Speaker 1: a small, community a small island in the Actual Nile.
[3:36:04] Speaker 1: RIVER i didn't know it was completely water. LOCKED i
[3:36:08] Speaker 1: thought that it was on the. Banks that's really. Interesting,
[3:36:13] Speaker 1: well apparently NOW i need to do some reading up
[3:36:15] Speaker 1: on the geography Of. ELEPHANTINE i didn't realize. That thank
[3:36:18] Speaker 1: you for letting me know. That that's really. Interesting, actually
[3:36:23] Speaker 1: Now i'm curious about their life on the. Island alex,
[3:36:26] Speaker 1: SAYS i heard you say you don't USE kjv In. Bible.
[3:36:29] Speaker 1: College why is That i'm in the process of. Deconstruction,
[3:36:32] Speaker 1: well the reason is because we know way more About
[3:36:35] Speaker 1: hebrew And greek than they knew in sixteen, eleven which
[3:36:37] Speaker 1: means we've got better electionaries or electionaries that's something you read. From,
[3:36:43] Speaker 1: Sorry we've got better, lexicons and we just know the language,
[3:36:48] Speaker 1: better and we've got more historical, resources and we've got
[3:36:52] Speaker 1: more manuscripts as, well in various. Languages so we just
[3:36:57] Speaker 1: were better equipped to translate The bible today than we
[3:37:00] Speaker 1: were in sixteen. Eleven And King james sixteen eleven did
[3:37:05] Speaker 1: the best that it. Could it's just. Outdated now we've
[3:37:08] Speaker 1: got better resources at our. Disposal and they did also
[3:37:12] Speaker 1: resist a lot of. Change if you look at the
[3:37:14] Speaker 1: editing instructions for the people doing the, translation they were
[3:37:18] Speaker 1: explicitly told to keep it as close to the Prior,
[3:37:22] Speaker 1: bible which was what was the Prior bible they were
[3:37:27] Speaker 1: translating it. From initially it was a revision of The Bishop's.
[3:37:30] Speaker 1: Bible they were revising The Bishop's, bible and they were
[3:37:33] Speaker 1: explicitly told not to change the language of The Bishop's
[3:37:36] Speaker 1: bible unless absolutely necessary based on the original. Languages and
[3:37:42] Speaker 1: so for the most part they just left in what
[3:37:44] Speaker 1: was in the Bishop's bible unless there was an incredibly
[3:37:47] Speaker 1: compelling case not to. Gumby thank you so much for
[3:37:50] Speaker 1: the eight ninet, nine Says justin or just dz'd three
[3:37:54] Speaker 1: ladies preaching whilst out my daughter out with your daughter last.
[3:38:00] Speaker 1: Night interesting was polite and Raised isaiah and it being About, israel, abslom,
[3:38:05] Speaker 1: grape et. Cetera. Epic, LISTEN i am so, Happy grumpy
[3:38:09] Speaker 1: that you can take these talking points into the real
[3:38:12] Speaker 1: world and just like just go cook people in the real.
[3:38:16] Speaker 1: World it's, Amazing it is. AMAZING i love. That thank
[3:38:19] Speaker 1: you so.
[3:38:20] Speaker 7: Much AND i actually have a question that pertains to, this,
[3:38:23] Speaker 7: Right so there's probably a lot of our.
[3:38:25] Speaker 3: Audience that, says, Gosh, justin you're so, smart you know
[3:38:27] Speaker 3: so much about, This like how DO i become like?
[3:38:29] Speaker 3: You how DO i know the stuff that you? Know
[3:38:31] Speaker 3: what's your?
[3:38:31] Speaker 1: Advice, so, unfortunately the answer to it is not an easy.
[3:38:36] Speaker 1: Answer the answer is that one you have to study the,
[3:38:41] Speaker 1: topics and typically it means, professionally like you want to
[3:38:45] Speaker 1: go to a Good bible college or to a good.
[3:38:47] Speaker 1: Seminary that being, said the alternative is you can typically
[3:38:51] Speaker 1: go to Those bible colleges and, seminaries and you can
[3:38:54] Speaker 1: usually get like a sample syllabus for the classes and
[3:38:58] Speaker 1: look at the text and the doc documents that they're
[3:39:01] Speaker 1: having the students read in the syllabi and just get
[3:39:04] Speaker 1: those resources and consume them and read them and study.
[3:39:07] Speaker 1: Them it's not as good as a formal, education but
[3:39:10] Speaker 1: it gets you close to, like here's what the scholars are,
[3:39:14] Speaker 1: teaching you know WHAT i. Mean it's not the same
[3:39:17] Speaker 1: as doing real good academic. Research it's not the same
[3:39:21] Speaker 1: as getting to learn from a professor who has been
[3:39:25] Speaker 1: doing you, know doing it for twenty five years and
[3:39:28] Speaker 1: he learned his material from someone else who had been
[3:39:31] Speaker 1: doing it for fifty, years you. Know so the quality
[3:39:35] Speaker 1: is going to be, different but it certainly is going
[3:39:37] Speaker 1: to get you closer to an academic worldview of The
[3:39:40] Speaker 1: bible than the nonsensical worldview of the. Apologist. Hopefully is
[3:39:45] Speaker 1: that a helpful, Answer.
[3:39:48] Speaker 3: Yeah one hundred.
[3:39:48] Speaker 7: PERCENT i imagine there's a lot of folks who, go, gosh,
[3:39:51] Speaker 7: LIKE i really want to know The bible as well
[3:39:52] Speaker 7: as you.
[3:39:53] Speaker 1: Do, WELL i tell you what the best thing you can,
[3:39:56] Speaker 1: do AND i recommend. It every live is first read the.
[3:39:59] Speaker 1: Name that's step number. One step number two is get
[3:40:03] Speaker 1: a really good Study, bible like the New Oxford Anotato
[3:40:06] Speaker 1: Study bible or The Catholic Study, bible Third, edition and
[3:40:10] Speaker 1: get familiar with what the academics are saying about the.
[3:40:13] Speaker 1: Passages even though they're, condensed they're, small the notes are.
[3:40:17] Speaker 1: Small you'll get a good flavor for what academics are
[3:40:21] Speaker 1: saying about the, passage not what pastors are saying about.
[3:40:24] Speaker 3: It but.
[3:40:27] Speaker 1: We got a bunch of super. TRACKS i THINK i
[3:40:29] Speaker 1: got time to get through all of them, though And
[3:40:31] Speaker 1: Bad religion Says happy. Birthday justin us boomers are getting,
[3:40:34] Speaker 1: old and you're, Right i'm not getting any. Younger i'm
[3:40:37] Speaker 1: officially over the hill this. Year last, YEAR i was
[3:40:40] Speaker 1: on the crest of the. Hill this, Year i'm over the.
[3:40:42] Speaker 1: Hill i'm on the downward descent. Now but thank you
[3:40:44] Speaker 1: for the birthday, wishes And jared, says happy, birthday and
[3:40:47] Speaker 1: congrats on the job. Situation, Well, jared thank you so
[3:40:49] Speaker 1: much for the congratulations and for the super. Chat we're
[3:40:53] Speaker 1: gonna cook as much as, possible And leaving The folds,
[3:40:56] Speaker 1: says thank you for helping people critically think that's WHAT
[3:40:59] Speaker 1: i want to take away from. This if, Anything i'm
[3:41:03] Speaker 1: not saying everyone has to be an. ATHEIST i just
[3:41:05] Speaker 1: want people to use critical thinking and to not be
[3:41:09] Speaker 1: led to make dumb decisions because your book told you.
[3:41:12] Speaker 1: To And marty, SAYS i forgot to ask in my
[3:41:14] Speaker 1: previous super, chat what Did enoch mean by the PHRASE
[3:41:17] Speaker 1: i took my. Mother that's actually a really good. Question
[3:41:20] Speaker 1: i'd have to reread the passage and do a little
[3:41:23] Speaker 1: bit of Exit jesus to see how that phrase gets,
[3:41:26] Speaker 1: used because it might be an idiom for. Something BUT dm,
[3:41:31] Speaker 1: me we're WE'RE i think you're on our. Discord you
[3:41:34] Speaker 1: send me a message over. Discord remind me of this
[3:41:37] Speaker 1: Because i'll look into it for. YOU i can get
[3:41:39] Speaker 1: the Actual greek edition Of enoch and give you a
[3:41:43] Speaker 1: better idea of what's. Happening And dustin, says just tuned,
[3:41:46] Speaker 1: in smells like, this pretzels already. Cooked we cook some
[3:41:51] Speaker 1: pretzels to.
[3:41:51] Speaker 3: Night.
[3:41:51] Speaker 1: FRIEND i appreciate the super and rock hard For. Doug
[3:41:55] Speaker 1: good to see, you my. Friend thank you so much
[3:41:57] Speaker 1: for being, here Says thou shalt not own slaves that.
[3:42:00] Speaker 1: Gross The book Of doug also Praise doug for your
[3:42:03] Speaker 1: b day and the big. News, well thank you so, Much,
[3:42:05] Speaker 1: JOSH i really appreciate, that and Praise. Doug and yes
[3:42:09] Speaker 1: we do have an active and a live, BOOK a
[3:42:12] Speaker 1: dog in the discord if you need to add to.
[3:42:13] Speaker 1: It And katie, says slavery not spas super chat on
[3:42:18] Speaker 1: the phone. Sucks SO i think we knew what you.
[3:42:22] Speaker 1: Meant that's why you retracted your prior. COMMENT i actually
[3:42:24] Speaker 1: couldn't read your prior comment because it got. Retracted but thank.
[3:42:27] Speaker 1: You slavery does. Suck we actually agree WHY i drop
[3:42:30] Speaker 1: my pen Doctor Mister swanson, says do you post your
[3:42:34] Speaker 1: lives on a podcast? APP i. DON'T i don't know
[3:42:39] Speaker 1: a good way to streamline. It i'm working on. It
[3:42:42] Speaker 1: i'm working on an app that will take what's already
[3:42:44] Speaker 1: on YouTube and just poured it over to one of
[3:42:47] Speaker 1: the podcast. APPS i haven't found a good app for it.
[3:42:51] Speaker 1: Yet now That i'm gonna have more free, Time i'll
[3:42:53] Speaker 1: get on. THAT i could just download them and then
[3:42:56] Speaker 1: re upload. THEM i don't know IF i want to
[3:42:58] Speaker 1: go through all that. Trouble, See i've got hundreds of,
[3:43:01] Speaker 1: episodes so IF i can automate, IT i. Will the
[3:43:05] Speaker 1: nightmare comes, says these young, life indoctrinated gen z and
[3:43:09] Speaker 1: Millennial christians are the absolute. Worst their pojects are so, bad, actually.
[3:43:13] Speaker 1: NIGHTMAN i first of, ALL i do agree with, You
[3:43:15] Speaker 1: but second of, All i've been rereading some of the
[3:43:17] Speaker 1: more apologetic church fathers, recently So i'm working through the
[3:43:21] Speaker 1: disputations of, origin and they're not much. Better, like it's
[3:43:26] Speaker 1: the same old, arguments just. Worse it's worse because they're
[3:43:30] Speaker 1: putting more words to. It they're like articulating it in
[3:43:35] Speaker 1: thirty sentences rather than five, sentences or like the uneducated,
[3:43:39] Speaker 1: apologists they'll just blurt, out you know the. Answer the
[3:43:43] Speaker 1: educated apologist has to do all the dancing and the
[3:43:46] Speaker 1: circle jerking around the. Topic that gets to the conclusion
[3:43:50] Speaker 1: where she'd says she swears the sky is green and
[3:43:52] Speaker 1: praise ug, listen describe the sky certainly could be, green
[3:43:57] Speaker 1: as long as you have a different idea what green.
[3:44:00] Speaker 1: Is And doc, says this woman's this woman's out here
[3:44:05] Speaker 1: defending divinely sanctioned grape like it's a clerical. Error, yeah, actually,
[3:44:10] Speaker 1: yeah it's exactly. It it Was, nathan Not, god, honey
[3:44:14] Speaker 1: yahweh signed the death. Warrant nathan just read it out.
[3:44:16] Speaker 1: Loud that's the point that it is a punishment because
[3:44:21] Speaker 1: you DID, A i'm DOING. B it's a. Punishment it's
[3:44:26] Speaker 1: a decision That god. Made the deliverer of the message is.
[3:44:30] Speaker 1: Irrelevant But christian's gonna. Cope they're gonna. Cope good, point, Though,
[3:44:35] Speaker 1: DOC i appreciate. That and The Christian atheist, SAYS i
[3:44:37] Speaker 1: feel terrible THAT i believe this for forty seven. Years
[3:44:40] Speaker 1: keep up the good, work Held Doug, Well christian, atheists
[3:44:42] Speaker 1: thank you for the supercher and we a lot of
[3:44:45] Speaker 1: us did for a long. TIME i believe for twenty.
[3:44:46] Speaker 1: Years maybe just shy of, twenty but pretty damn close to.
[3:44:50] Speaker 1: TWENTY i grew up living. It when you're indoctrinated into,
[3:44:53] Speaker 1: it you're gonna believe the. Stuff And mike, says Is
[3:44:56] Speaker 1: doug uncomfortable a woman defending the consort? Grape seems like
[3:45:01] Speaker 1: it might be infringing on his. Bottom wait What doug,
[3:45:07] Speaker 1: listen dog Does doug is not pro. Grape just so
[3:45:10] Speaker 1: we're on the same, Page but thank you for the super.
[3:45:12] Speaker 1: Chat And Steve, nash thank you for the tent of
[3:45:14] Speaker 1: super chest, says thank you for doing. This many of
[3:45:16] Speaker 1: us feel so helpless combating this nonsense and watching you
[3:45:20] Speaker 1: dismantle it is. Beautiful you are doing the world of.
[3:45:23] Speaker 1: Service thank, You. Steve that's HOW i feel about. IT
[3:45:25] Speaker 1: i feel Like i'm providing a service And i'm going
[3:45:29] Speaker 1: to keep doing it as much as. Possible thank you
[3:45:31] Speaker 1: for the super. Chat thank you for being here and.
[3:45:33] Speaker 1: Watching And stormchasers, says if they weren't graped And god
[3:45:37] Speaker 1: is doing, it that Means god altered the free will
[3:45:40] Speaker 1: of the. Wives, yeah, listen if it was, consensual Then
[3:45:43] Speaker 1: god compelled them to commit. Adultery so getting away from
[3:45:47] Speaker 1: the grape apologetic doesn't make it any. Better god is
[3:45:50] Speaker 1: now compelling them to, sin which is a contradiction of
[3:45:53] Speaker 1: The New. Testament Says god doesn't tempt. Anybody JAMES shepperd
[3:45:57] Speaker 1: TWO i, believe says, that And kay Says god The
[3:46:00] Speaker 1: bible intentionally horrible to test his followers and they all.
[3:46:03] Speaker 1: Failed instead of questioning, him they all blindly followed. Him
[3:46:06] Speaker 1: so this goes with the Evil god hypothesis or is
[3:46:09] Speaker 1: adjacent to. It bash does a great version of. This
[3:46:13] Speaker 1: if you ever get to See shabashi And cole do,
[3:46:15] Speaker 1: this tune in And dustin Says i'm Very i'm very
[3:46:21] Speaker 1: respected in The christian, community translated roughly To i'm one
[3:46:25] Speaker 1: of the most popular clowns in the entire, because, yeah
[3:46:30] Speaker 1: that's actually. It that's like saying your YOU'RE i was
[3:46:35] Speaker 1: really good friends Of hitler and you shouldn't bring about.
[3:46:38] Speaker 1: That under, construction thank you so much for the. Supertesta
[3:46:41] Speaker 1: let me guess on this, Episode christians will say, one
[3:46:44] Speaker 1: words don't mean. Words, two My god has. Superpowers THREE
[3:46:47] Speaker 1: i believe it BECAUSE i believe. It four you are
[3:46:49] Speaker 1: wrong because of faith and under, construction you are a.
[3:46:52] Speaker 1: Prophet all those things did come to take, place and
[3:46:55] Speaker 1: apparently now i'm your. Disciple thank you for letting us
[3:46:58] Speaker 1: know your. Prophet And beeboop says me and the boys
[3:47:02] Speaker 1: spiriting after work on A. Friday, actually that might be
[3:47:05] Speaker 1: the best use of the word spirit as a. Verb
[3:47:08] Speaker 1: i'll give that one to. You that's a good. One
[3:47:10] Speaker 1: And commentorium, says what is your best counter argument to
[3:47:14] Speaker 1: you don't Have you don't have the, spirit so you
[3:47:16] Speaker 1: can't understand The? BIBLE i got this argument isn't as
[3:47:19] Speaker 1: a Believing. Christian so first of, all usually my first argument, is,
[3:47:22] Speaker 1: well Then god has a self defeating. Book, Right, so
[3:47:27] Speaker 1: if you come to the book and you don't, believe
[3:47:29] Speaker 1: and you're, saying, okay let's read the book and determine
[3:47:32] Speaker 1: IF i believe, it, well. Okay if, so if, you
[3:47:35] Speaker 1: being a non, believer don't have The Holy, spirit you
[3:47:38] Speaker 1: cannot read this book and come to the understanding That
[3:47:42] Speaker 1: god is real and all this stuff is true Because
[3:47:44] Speaker 1: he hasn't given you the spirit. Yet, right so the
[3:47:47] Speaker 1: whole thing is self. Defeating it's a nonsensical. Claim it's
[3:47:51] Speaker 1: A brian thank you for gifting out FIVE dz. MEMBERSHIPS
[3:47:55] Speaker 1: i appreciate, that good, friend and also Wild Man chris
[3:47:58] Speaker 1: is with. Us been a, While, chris thank you for
[3:47:59] Speaker 1: the Super chan says also in one this was At
[3:48:03] Speaker 1: simeon The leper's, house and the other it Was Simon
[3:48:07] Speaker 1: Leppers simon The. Pharisees which effing house was? It, Yeah,
[3:48:10] Speaker 1: yeah there's some details in there other than the number
[3:48:15] Speaker 1: of days that are different. Too by the, WAY i
[3:48:16] Speaker 1: don't know if anyone caught. THAT i didn't want to
[3:48:18] Speaker 1: get bogged down in, details but there's a couple details
[3:48:21] Speaker 1: that are different in those two. Stories and you nailed, One,
[3:48:24] Speaker 1: chris you got. One i'm glad that you're reading with good.
[3:48:27] Speaker 1: Eyes And, God God damn says biblical slavery was. Fine
[3:48:32] Speaker 1: god head a dress, Code oh, sure don't take care of.
[3:48:35] Speaker 1: It and whim Says jesus literally only commenced twelve people
[3:48:38] Speaker 1: when he was. Live why SHOULD i even believe the
[3:48:41] Speaker 1: claim two thousand years? Later at Least doug is contemporary
[3:48:44] Speaker 1: and you've seen him with your own two, eyes and
[3:48:46] Speaker 1: you know he's. Real And doug's got thousands of followers right,
[3:48:49] Speaker 1: now way more Than jesus ever had when he was.
[3:48:51] Speaker 1: Alive And, dark thank you for gifting out twenty D zy,
[3:48:55] Speaker 1: Memberships big BIG W, DARK i super appreciate. That that's very,
[3:48:59] Speaker 1: generous my, friend And Silver surfer coming in again with
[3:49:02] Speaker 1: another five dollars super Thanks BIG. W Silver, surfer thank
[3:49:05] Speaker 1: you so. Much And brian, says thanks for your. Channel
[3:49:09] Speaker 1: got MY nrsv updated. Edition using your cheat sheets to
[3:49:13] Speaker 1: tab it out and start, cooking praise. Dog actually a
[3:49:15] Speaker 1: couple people have done. That now get those book tabs
[3:49:18] Speaker 1: friends like. These i've got tabs like these and tap your.
[3:49:24] Speaker 1: Bible go get the cheat sheet tab all the horrific
[3:49:27] Speaker 1: shit in Your, bible learn, it memorize it then use
[3:49:31] Speaker 1: it to beat people over the head, with And dark,
[3:49:34] Speaker 1: says just paying for all the awesome Content i've been
[3:49:36] Speaker 1: enjoying and spreading the. Love, well thank you for the
[3:49:38] Speaker 1: vite hour of, Supertet, DARK i really appreciate. That and,
[3:49:41] Speaker 1: listen we have a great community that we support each.
[3:49:44] Speaker 1: Other i'm blessed to be here By doug, obviously and zay.
[3:49:47] Speaker 1: Are thank you for the, supertest says First king seven
[3:49:49] Speaker 1: twenty three teaches that pie is equal to, three indisputable
[3:49:53] Speaker 1: proof The bible was written by. Engineers also Praised. Doug,
[3:49:57] Speaker 1: yeah big w there's some good map in The. Bible
[3:50:01] Speaker 1: and now some people will, say, well pie is not technically,
[3:50:04] Speaker 1: three it's three point one. Four but you got to
[3:50:06] Speaker 1: remember in the ancient world that form of precision wasn't
[3:50:10] Speaker 1: all that necessary for most, Things so you can get
[3:50:12] Speaker 1: away with saying pi is. THREE i don't make that
[3:50:14] Speaker 1: an argument too, often but that is an argument you can.
[3:50:17] Speaker 1: Use according to some calculations during the building Of sulomon's,
[3:50:20] Speaker 1: temple they do calculate pie coming out to basically three
[3:50:23] Speaker 1: rather than three point one. Four temas says would LOVE
[3:50:26] Speaker 1: a not A q and A i have so many
[3:50:28] Speaker 1: questions with team as we'll be doing one. Soon so
[3:50:31] Speaker 1: very Soon i'm going to be hosting on The Atheist.
[3:50:34] Speaker 1: Experience i'll let you. Know after The Atheist, Experience i'll
[3:50:38] Speaker 1: go from there TO A q AND a and so it's,
[3:50:41] Speaker 1: LIKE i don't know a week or. Two, kyle thank
[3:50:44] Speaker 1: you for the. Twin our supertest, says is the logos
[3:50:46] Speaker 1: supposed to Be jesus in occult? STUDIES i can't tell
[3:50:50] Speaker 1: you much about occult. Studies i've ran into a number
[3:50:53] Speaker 1: of occultists that do believe in like a divine logos
[3:50:57] Speaker 1: thing of that, nature but none of them believe that
[3:50:59] Speaker 1: it was related to To. Jesus so in my, experience,
[3:51:03] Speaker 1: No And kyle, says have you Ever lucid? Dreamed, actually
[3:51:08] Speaker 1: IF i do have, dreams WHICH i almost never remember my,
[3:51:11] Speaker 1: dreams it's just blackness for. Me but IF i do
[3:51:15] Speaker 1: remember a dream is almost always because it was A lucid,
[3:51:18] Speaker 1: dream And lucid dreams are fun as. Hell so my
[3:51:21] Speaker 1: dream state is on both ends of the. Spectrum either
[3:51:24] Speaker 1: it's complete black Or I'm lucid, dreaming which is a,
[3:51:27] Speaker 1: blast but typically it's just straight. Black good, question, Though
[3:51:33] Speaker 1: lucid dreams are. Hilarious they're. Fun Hallo, furfey thank you
[3:51:37] Speaker 1: for the one thousand. AARs big w my, FRIEND i
[3:51:40] Speaker 1: super appreciate, that very. Generous he, says we need to
[3:51:43] Speaker 1: figure out baby paste and foreskin. Emojis, well that's a
[3:51:46] Speaker 1: brand new. Sentence you don't hear that too. Often and
[3:51:48] Speaker 1: for those who have been watching for a, while you
[3:51:50] Speaker 1: know exactly What i'm talking. About if someone has an
[3:51:53] Speaker 1: idea for artwork where we can do baby paste and foreskin,
[3:51:57] Speaker 1: emojis get in the, discord send me the. Artwork we'll
[3:52:00] Speaker 1: make it into and emoji will make it. Happen And dustin,
[3:52:03] Speaker 1: says oh My, DOUG i can't believe she's, Back miss
[3:52:06] Speaker 1: Profit queen Clip. Gold she is Clip. GOLD i don't
[3:52:09] Speaker 1: know if we got a good clip that, time but
[3:52:11] Speaker 1: we'll do what we. Can And kyle, says what a
[3:52:14] Speaker 1: totally disrespectful. PERSON A, Wow, Yeah adasa is like. That
[3:52:17] Speaker 1: adassa got no respect for, Nobody And jared, Said hadassa
[3:52:22] Speaker 1: writing biblical fans sick in her free. Time go to
[3:52:25] Speaker 1: Her amazon and look at the books she has. Written
[3:52:28] Speaker 1: by the, way it's filthy xxx. Rated godborn is. Crazy
[3:52:34] Speaker 1: she's a real author On, Amazon go find your. BOOKS
[3:52:37] Speaker 1: a flanker, says. Congratulations your flock is excited for the
[3:52:40] Speaker 1: next stage in your. Journey come a long, Way, Flanker
[3:52:43] Speaker 1: not only DID i come a long, Way like if
[3:52:48] Speaker 1: you told me two years ago this is WHERE i would,
[3:52:50] Speaker 1: BE i wouldn't have believed. YOU i had no idea
[3:52:52] Speaker 1: LIKE i came. ON i had no intentions of being
[3:52:55] Speaker 1: able to do this full, TIME i. SAID i just
[3:52:58] Speaker 1: wanted to participate in this discussion and free people from
[3:53:01] Speaker 1: the toxicity of the. Religion and because the community is so,
[3:53:06] Speaker 1: awesome NOW i can focus on doing just. That And,
[3:53:10] Speaker 1: carlos thank you so much for the two HUNDRED mx.
[3:53:12] Speaker 1: Bake W frandie says. Awesome happy to see you in
[3:53:16] Speaker 1: these in this new, Phase, carlos thank you so much for.
[3:53:19] Speaker 1: Supporting it is Because i've got supporters like, You carlo,
[3:53:21] Speaker 1: SAID i can be in this new. Phase the phase
[3:53:24] Speaker 1: is char fucking. Broil that's the new. Phase And la So,
[3:53:28] Speaker 1: surfer thank you for the ninety nine super chest says.
[3:53:30] Speaker 1: Dude happy, Birthday, well thank you so, Much Silver. Surfer
[3:53:33] Speaker 1: it's my. BIRTHDAY i don't usually announce, it but everyone already.
[3:53:37] Speaker 1: KNOWS i can't hide it at this. Point so we're
[3:53:39] Speaker 1: gonna get cake and ice cream here in this a little.
[3:53:41] Speaker 1: Bit And, kyle thank you for the twenty. Hours Super chest,
[3:53:44] Speaker 1: says all, right here's twenty for you and your son
[3:53:46] Speaker 1: to get some. Watermelon public's watermelon. Ftw, yeah so my
[3:53:51] Speaker 1: son loves. Watermelon he actually just consumed a half watermelon
[3:53:54] Speaker 1: last week on his. Own we're gonna get some, watermelon for,
[3:53:57] Speaker 1: Sure so thank you so much for the twenty. Dollars
[3:54:00] Speaker 1: it'll go a long. Way we're gonna have a blast.
[3:54:01] Speaker 1: Tonight and, Also, carlos thank you so much for the
[3:54:04] Speaker 1: five hundred and that, next thank you so, Much. Carlos holy, Shit,
[3:54:08] Speaker 1: carlos thank you so. Much it's very. Generous and he,
[3:54:10] Speaker 1: says birthday, boy thank you so. MUCH i had no
[3:54:14] Speaker 1: idea that everyone would find out it was my birthday to,
[3:54:17] Speaker 1: day but apparently you can't keep these things. Secret but
[3:54:20] Speaker 1: thank you so. MUCH i appreciate, that, friend And draco,
[3:54:23] Speaker 1: says happy. BIRTHDAY i hope you have a good. One
[3:54:25] Speaker 1: it's a it's a. Blast it's the best ONE i
[3:54:29] Speaker 1: had my last day at. Work i'm with, you. Guys
[3:54:33] Speaker 1: my son AND i are about to go party and
[3:54:34] Speaker 1: celebrate here in this a little.
[3:54:35] Speaker 3: Bit it's.
[3:54:35] Speaker 1: Awesome And, noah thank you so much for the. Supercher
[3:54:38] Speaker 1: good to see. You he, Says how wild is it
[3:54:40] Speaker 1: THAT i randomly sent a package on your? Birthday happy
[3:54:43] Speaker 1: birthday from First Aid, Fashion noah's. SKINS i actually did get.
[3:54:48] Speaker 1: IT i opened it and it's. Amazing by the, way
[3:54:51] Speaker 1: so if you guys Know, noah she also has a fashion,
[3:54:54] Speaker 1: Company First Aid. Fashion she sent me some clothing samples
[3:54:57] Speaker 1: and some stickers and it's. Amazing i'm gonna wear them on.
[3:54:59] Speaker 1: Stream going to see him. Soon and she sent a
[3:55:02] Speaker 1: shirt for my. Son thank you so. Much NO i
[3:55:04] Speaker 1: really appreciate. That you're gonna love the shirt. Though it's
[3:55:06] Speaker 1: an awesome. Shirt everyone's gonna want one. Soon i'll be
[3:55:10] Speaker 1: your free. Advertising i'll make sure everyone gets. One, germs
[3:55:15] Speaker 1: thank you for sending up FIVE dz. MEMBERSHIPS i appreciate.
[3:55:17] Speaker 1: That And judas, says happy, Birthday happy quitting, Day thank
[3:55:20] Speaker 1: you for this. Channel praise be To doug for all his. Gifts,
[3:55:23] Speaker 1: well thank, You judas for your. GIFT i really appreciate, you.
[3:55:27] Speaker 1: Friend thank you for always being. Here And robin, says happy. Birthday,
[3:55:30] Speaker 1: well thank You robin for wishing me happy. Birthday it's
[3:55:33] Speaker 1: very kind of. You And, rachel thank you for being.
[3:55:36] Speaker 1: Here thank you so much for the ten hour, supertest so.
[3:55:38] Speaker 1: Justin i'm so happy with the news you just. Shared
[3:55:40] Speaker 1: i've been watching and listening to you for so LONG
[3:55:43] Speaker 1: i was hopeful you'd make it to this. Point happy birthday. Friend, Well,
[3:55:46] Speaker 1: rachel thank you for. Supporting thank you for being. Here
[3:55:49] Speaker 1: it's wild to believe That i'm actually at this. POINT
[3:55:53] Speaker 1: i had no IDEA i would ever get to this,
[3:55:55] Speaker 1: point but, MAN i gotta tell, you it feels good
[3:55:58] Speaker 1: to be able to do what you're pasting about full.
[3:56:01] Speaker 1: Time and there will be no foot on the. Break
[3:56:05] Speaker 1: i'm putting the foot on the gas pedal and we're
[3:56:07] Speaker 1: gonna cook as hard as completely. Possible you guys KNOW
[3:56:11] Speaker 1: i don't do anything. Halfway and melv thank you for
[3:56:13] Speaker 1: the ten hour Super jest, says happy. Birthday thank you
[3:56:15] Speaker 1: for all that you. Do been listening to you over a.
[3:56:17] Speaker 1: Year oh, shit thank you for listening all that. Time
[3:56:20] Speaker 1: you've helped a lot in my deconstruction as a twenty
[3:56:23] Speaker 1: five year. Old it was, hard but really changed my
[3:56:26] Speaker 1: life for the. Better, Well, Mel i'm so glad THAT
[3:56:28] Speaker 1: i was able to help in your, deconstruction AND i
[3:56:31] Speaker 1: agree it is. HARD i didn't find it pleasant WHEN
[3:56:34] Speaker 1: i was going through. It it wasn't a good time for.
[3:56:37] Speaker 1: Me and so WHEN i first started in the deconstruction,
[3:56:40] Speaker 1: space my goal wasn't to cause people hurt by forcing
[3:56:43] Speaker 1: them to. Deconstruct but now that we've seen all the toxic,
[3:56:47] Speaker 1: RELIGION i think it's my. GOAL i want people to
[3:56:50] Speaker 1: deconstruct at this, point get away from the toxic. Religion it's.
[3:56:53] Speaker 7: Nonsense Justin do you ever have any plans of maybe
[3:56:59] Speaker 7: doing a live having a recorded conversation With?
[3:57:02] Speaker 1: Bardierman, HMM.
[3:57:05] Speaker 3: I.
[3:57:05] Speaker 1: DO i don't have anything in the works, yet But
[3:57:09] Speaker 1: i'm hoping to get to that. Point there's a lot
[3:57:11] Speaker 1: of content from a text critical, STANDPOINT i want to
[3:57:16] Speaker 1: do some video ON i want to dig into some
[3:57:20] Speaker 1: Good New testament, criticism which he knows he's been. Around
[3:57:25] Speaker 1: he's not a technically he's not technically a textual. Critic
[3:57:29] Speaker 1: he's more of a. Historian but he's done a lot
[3:57:31] Speaker 1: of work in that, area and he's done a lot
[3:57:33] Speaker 1: of work in the. History SO i think those are
[3:57:35] Speaker 1: two topics that we could really dig into and.
[3:57:37] Speaker 3: Have a lot of.
[3:57:38] Speaker 1: Fun, yeah that'd be really. EXCITING i would love. To,
[3:57:42] Speaker 1: yeah it'd be. GREAT i somebody WHEN i first started On,
[3:57:45] Speaker 1: TikTok somebody was, like, JUSTIN i think one day you're
[3:57:49] Speaker 1: Gonna you're gonna be up there on a screen With
[3:57:51] Speaker 1: Matt Dela. Honey AND i was, like, Yeah, promena that
[3:57:54] Speaker 1: seems far. Fetched and but like the the the community
[3:57:59] Speaker 1: in the d deconstruction community has been so, Strong like
[3:58:02] Speaker 1: you guys are just propelling, me you, know further and,
[3:58:05] Speaker 1: further and the channel keeps growing and, growing and maybe
[3:58:09] Speaker 1: one Day i'll get on a show With Matt. Dee
[3:58:11] Speaker 1: he's definitely a hero of, mine despite you, know he
[3:58:14] Speaker 1: AND i have different, approaches but definitely a hero of.
[3:58:16] Speaker 1: Mine helped me a lot in my. Deconstruction but, guys
[3:58:19] Speaker 1: thanks so much for supporting the channel the way that you.
[3:58:22] Speaker 1: Have it's been. Great And, willie thank you for The
[3:58:24] Speaker 1: PayPal for the five. Dollars happy, birthday keep cooking. Them
[3:58:27] Speaker 1: thank you so. Much And Grim reaper, says happy, birthday,
[3:58:30] Speaker 1: DUDE i hope it's. Awesome smash on some cake for.
[3:58:32] Speaker 1: Me i'm definitely going To, Grim i'm going to smash
[3:58:35] Speaker 1: some cake here about ten minutes and wits sufff, SAYS
[3:58:39] Speaker 1: i was In. PLYMOUTH i saw a rock under a stone.
[3:58:42] Speaker 1: Canopy False scott Praise Doug plymouth rock with a different,
[3:58:46] Speaker 1: rock with different. Rock thank you for the Juper jat
[3:58:49] Speaker 1: And kyle, Says i've learned a lot. Here thank you
[3:58:52] Speaker 1: for all that you do. Here, well that's the great
[3:58:54] Speaker 1: thing about getting to spend less time at work and
[3:58:57] Speaker 1: more time doing. This i've got a backlog of books
[3:59:00] Speaker 1: That i'm going, through not just SO i can add
[3:59:02] Speaker 1: more to the cheat, sheet but SO i can bring
[3:59:04] Speaker 1: more to the. Debates so my goal is to always
[3:59:07] Speaker 1: bring more, material always bring better and newer. Arguments so
[3:59:13] Speaker 1: in the future expect to see a lot more stuff.
[3:59:15] Speaker 1: Happening And, aaron you might be happy to know THAT
[3:59:19] Speaker 1: i finally went out and purchased philosophy books That i'm
[3:59:21] Speaker 1: going to be going through and finally learning. Philosophy, yes love.
[3:59:26] Speaker 1: IT i have to eventually.
[3:59:29] Speaker 3: Right.
[3:59:30] Speaker 7: Yeah by the, way if you're going to talk to
[3:59:32] Speaker 7: somebody like Big John, steele make sure that you go
[3:59:34] Speaker 7: over not only like the Fine tuning, arguments but also
[3:59:37] Speaker 7: With RICHARD. S gwynnburne and his argument for divine simplicity is,
[3:59:41] Speaker 7: nonsense as it, is a lot of these people are
[3:59:43] Speaker 7: pivoting to. That and as you, Know jamike AND i
[3:59:46] Speaker 7: play in a band, together, right so we're best friends and,
[3:59:49] Speaker 7: stuff and he Knows matt. Tilahooney So i'm messaging right.
[3:59:51] Speaker 3: Now i'm try to get you on.
[3:59:52] Speaker 1: With all, right hook it, Up hook it, Up, kyle
[3:59:56] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the tooin out super Det kyle,
[3:59:58] Speaker 1: says you have done happy to on any videos with
[4:00:01] Speaker 1: another channel Called. Mindshift. YEAH i did a video With
[4:00:03] Speaker 1: brandon From, mindshift was one of his podcast, episodes and
[4:00:08] Speaker 1: we really cooked the prophecies hard on that, show and
[4:00:13] Speaker 1: we did a whole episode on Why jesus is not The.
[4:00:16] Speaker 1: Messiah it was a great, episode had a lot of
[4:00:18] Speaker 1: fun doing. It brandon's. Phenomenal in, Fact brandon might be
[4:00:21] Speaker 1: one of the first deconstruction CHANNELS i found on. YouTube
[4:00:25] Speaker 1: we kind of started not too far apart from each,
[4:00:28] Speaker 1: other BUT i loved his material from the. Beginning he's.
[4:00:30] Speaker 1: Awesome And zed, said what do you think about a
[4:00:34] Speaker 1: deconstruction Zone fantasy and football league this? Season is there
[4:00:38] Speaker 1: enough interest you? THINK i don't. Know that's actually a good.
[4:00:41] Speaker 1: QUESTION i would be. Interested if somebody in our deconstruction
[4:00:46] Speaker 1: community was going to run a fantasy, LEAGUE i would
[4:00:48] Speaker 1: join it for. SURE i just don't have time to run.
[4:00:51] Speaker 1: It but people who are really into. That if there's
[4:00:54] Speaker 1: somebody in the community who wants to run, IT dm
[4:00:57] Speaker 1: me on discord let me. Know i'd love to do
[4:00:59] Speaker 1: a A deconstruction fantasy. LEAGUE i love, football by the,
[4:01:03] Speaker 1: WAY i grew up playing football for, anyone no. NO
[4:01:05] Speaker 1: i did football and wrestling all through, school AND i loved.
[4:01:10] Speaker 1: It i'm a total Sports i'm a big, meathead BUT
[4:01:14] Speaker 1: i Don't i'm not as interested in sports AS i am,
[4:01:18] Speaker 1: academia SO i don't really get a whole lot of
[4:01:21] Speaker 1: time to dig into. Sports that being, SAID i love
[4:01:24] Speaker 1: me some fantasy, Football so if somebody can get the league,
[4:01:27] Speaker 1: Going i'll join. You and she she Said god ordered
[4:01:30] Speaker 1: women who didn't bleed stones since there was no birth,
[4:01:33] Speaker 1: control it stands the reason that some were, pregnant so
[4:01:36] Speaker 1: didn't he order. Abortion this is actually a really good
[4:01:39] Speaker 1: point because it coincides With numbers chapter, five Where god
[4:01:42] Speaker 1: basically commands. Abortion and if in fact a woman doesn't,
[4:01:48] Speaker 1: bleed possibly because she's already pregnant and there's something happening
[4:01:53] Speaker 1: with her body that's abnormal for her at, least and
[4:01:57] Speaker 1: she couldn't bleed and she got stones then yet ton'tically
[4:02:00] Speaker 1: the baby will die with, him. Right this is actually
[4:02:03] Speaker 1: a really good point THAT i haven't thought. ABOUT i
[4:02:04] Speaker 1: thought about it in conjunction with numbers. FIVE i haven't
[4:02:07] Speaker 1: thought about it in conjunction With deuteronomy twenty. Two so
[4:02:10] Speaker 1: that's actually a really good. Point but we already seen
[4:02:12] Speaker 1: him from. Elsewhere god's not all that concerned with the
[4:02:16] Speaker 1: life of babies in the. Womb in, fact he commands
[4:02:19] Speaker 1: armies to rip open the wombs of women in. War so,
[4:02:23] Speaker 1: yeah not a good. Time, narcississa thank you so much
[4:02:27] Speaker 1: for the nine super To thank you so, Much, narcissa
[4:02:31] Speaker 1: it's super. Generous my, friend super, generous Says, okay now
[4:02:34] Speaker 1: my chat is matching, up so here is another one
[4:02:37] Speaker 1: hundred BUCKS tdif and happy. Birthday thank you so, Much,
[4:02:41] Speaker 1: narcissa and thank you for being. Here and Thank. Doug It's,
[4:02:46] Speaker 1: friday big w my, friend thank you for supporting the.
[4:02:49] Speaker 1: CHANNEL i really appreciate. That And neil, Says i'm heading
[4:02:54] Speaker 1: off To Prophet hadassah's only fan site to spirit one
[4:02:59] Speaker 1: of the. Shit that's a good, one. Guys spirit might
[4:03:06] Speaker 1: be a. Verb NOW i think we made it a.
[4:03:07] Speaker 1: Verb gary, says congrats on going full. Time, Well, gary
[4:03:10] Speaker 1: thank you so. Much it's friends like you that allow
[4:03:13] Speaker 1: me to go full. Time And saint, says denying the
[4:03:16] Speaker 1: island full of elephants is. Heresy, guys this is the fun.
[4:03:21] Speaker 1: Thing i'm learning something. TODAY i didn't realize That elephantine
[4:03:24] Speaker 1: was actually an. ISLAND i thought it was on the
[4:03:25] Speaker 1: bank of the. River so NOW i gotta go study
[4:03:28] Speaker 1: the geography Of, elephantine WHICH i what are you gonna?
[4:03:32] Speaker 1: Do you gotta do it. Right an atheist truck, driver
[4:03:34] Speaker 1: good to see it tonight or this, morning this, evening
[4:03:36] Speaker 1: this afternoon, says holy. Fuck one gen is thirty eight thousand.
[4:03:41] Speaker 1: Years one thousand generations is thirty eight thousand. Years, yeah
[4:03:46] Speaker 1: so that means whatever judgment was on the original people
[4:03:50] Speaker 1: that referred to an extra thirty four to, seven whatever
[4:03:52] Speaker 1: that judgment, was was thirty eight thousand years for the
[4:03:57] Speaker 1: one thousand. GENERATIONS i think it's probably closer to forty
[4:04:01] Speaker 1: thousand years because of the generation for forty. Years but
[4:04:05] Speaker 1: that means that you're you're fucked for forty thousand. Years
[4:04:08] Speaker 1: your lineage is. Screwedin that's what that. Means thanks for
[4:04:10] Speaker 1: doing some math for, you, THOUGH i appreciate, That And maestro,
[4:04:13] Speaker 1: says wait was sadasa. Back, also when dealing With, christians
[4:04:17] Speaker 1: have you tried a board game metaphor when describing Their
[4:04:20] Speaker 1: god's original design and choice of get out of jail free.
[4:04:24] Speaker 1: OPTION i haven't actually done a get a jail free.
[4:04:27] Speaker 1: Metaphor i'm surprised that actually hasn't. Happened but we do
[4:04:33] Speaker 1: do a bingo with these. DISCUSSIONS i gobu to a
[4:04:36] Speaker 1: bingo card in my link. Tree we haven't done it
[4:04:39] Speaker 1: in a. While we do need to do a bingo
[4:04:42] Speaker 1: night where who's ever? Listening you can follow along with
[4:04:46] Speaker 1: a generated bingo card with all the nonsense stuff That
[4:04:49] Speaker 1: christians say and punctuated says With jesus racist vis a
[4:04:53] Speaker 1: Vis mark. Seven, also what are the requirements for being
[4:04:57] Speaker 1: a prophet of The Most Holy? Doug Praise doug kind Of,
[4:05:00] Speaker 1: well all you need is a vision or a word From,
[4:05:03] Speaker 1: doug and you are then a prophet Of doug as
[4:05:07] Speaker 1: long as you're not telling. Lies And mark chapter. Seven
[4:05:12] Speaker 1: when it comes to being a, RACIST i assume you're referring.
[4:05:16] Speaker 1: To is that the chapter where the woman is called a? Dog,
[4:05:20] Speaker 1: yeah verse twenty. Four so The cybaphenician woman was called a.
[4:05:24] Speaker 1: Dog it's unclear she was called a dog because of
[4:05:28] Speaker 1: her religious or her ethnic. Background if it's from her ethnic,
[4:05:33] Speaker 1: background then, yeah she would be a. Racist but either,
[4:05:36] Speaker 1: Way jesus is suggesting here at this point in his
[4:05:40] Speaker 1: ministry that anyone who's not part Of israel is not
[4:05:44] Speaker 1: part of his. Mission, right he came only for the
[4:05:46] Speaker 1: lost sheep Of. Israel so if that's the, case then,
[4:05:49] Speaker 1: yeah ethnicity plays a big. Thing, also, guys we got
[4:05:56] Speaker 1: to stop sending. Superchats my, friend stop sending. THEM i gotta,
[4:05:59] Speaker 1: GO i GOTTA i pass my. TIME i gotta get. Off,
[4:06:02] Speaker 1: zar thank you so much for the seven Hundred zar
[4:06:06] Speaker 1: big w my, FRIEND i appreciate the super chat, says
[4:06:09] Speaker 1: thanks for making me the Best bible scholar as an
[4:06:11] Speaker 1: atheist in my religious. Family, well thank you for supporting
[4:06:15] Speaker 1: dal and, listen go cook, Them go cook. Them you've
[4:06:18] Speaker 1: got my, approval you got the, information you got the cheat,
[4:06:21] Speaker 1: sheet you got The. Bible go do. It go show
[4:06:23] Speaker 1: them what the scholars are saying And kyle, says all,
[4:06:26] Speaker 1: right excited For. SUNDAY i Hope i'll be able to
[4:06:28] Speaker 1: come up in chit. Chat, Well, kyle come up in
[4:06:29] Speaker 1: chit Chat. SUNDAY i love to hear from, you and
[4:06:32] Speaker 1: thank you so.
[4:06:33] Speaker 3: Much.
[4:06:33] Speaker 1: Guys there might be a couple super chats THAT i.
[4:06:37] Speaker 1: MISSED i apologize if it. DID i think there might
[4:06:39] Speaker 1: be five or ten on the. BOARD i pass my.
[4:06:41] Speaker 1: TIME i was supposed to END u five. O'clock my
[4:06:43] Speaker 1: babysitter is probably downstairs tapping her foot at. Me thank
[4:06:46] Speaker 1: you so much for being, here, FRIENDS i love, you
[4:06:49] Speaker 1: appreciate all the super chats and birthday. Wishes we'll be
[4:06:52] Speaker 1: live again On sunday and we'll be cooking for a long.
[4:06:55] Speaker 1: One it'll be a long. Stream none of this four hour.
[4:06:57] Speaker 1: Business it'll be a full six hour life. Stream happy, birthday,
[4:07:02] Speaker 1: brother make it a great. One, OKAY i thanks so, much.
[4:07:04] Speaker 1: Buddy great to see. You

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