# 2025-12-01 LIVE DEBATE \[God is NOT Good\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 7 Jan 2026, 3 h 51 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: M hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm.
[0:17] Speaker 2: Okay, I think all the streams are up. Friends, Happy
[0:23] Speaker 2: fucking Festivus month. It's been a big of a good one.
[0:26] Speaker 2: It is December first, right, it is December first. Some
[0:29] Speaker 2: people are already getting snow, so that's a real thing
[0:33] Speaker 2: that's happening. We got a little bit of snow, but
[0:36] Speaker 2: it's already gone, but I'm sure we'll be getting some
[0:39] Speaker 2: more soon. Get some of that that good old lake
[0:43] Speaker 2: effects snow, everyone's favorite thing. Anyways, welcome in. It's good
[0:48] Speaker 2: to see everyone. We're starting a month off with a banger,
[0:52] Speaker 2: and we're gonna have a couple of them going on
[0:54] Speaker 2: this month, so we've got some for those who weren't
[0:57] Speaker 2: here for last December. We've got kind of some specialty
[1:00] Speaker 2: topics that we do in December. It should be a
[1:02] Speaker 2: good time. And not to get backed up on superchats.
[1:05] Speaker 2: I already got a bunch of them that came in.
[1:07] Speaker 2: Let me grab those real quick so we don't get
[1:09] Speaker 2: backed up right away. Ar thank you for the supertest,
[1:13] Speaker 2: says I was watching the stream from yesterday and you
[1:15] Speaker 2: mentioned that Jordan the Homophobe had been on LG's live stream.
[1:19] Speaker 2: Who's LG. LG. Gray Comedy. She she's a live streamer
[1:24] Speaker 2: on TikTok. She's also a comedian. She's a stand up comedian.
[1:28] Speaker 2: He has a YouTube and a Facebook page as well.
[1:30] Speaker 2: In fact, I've been meaning to get her on my channel.
[1:32] Speaker 2: I'm going to have her on my channel soon. But
[1:34] Speaker 2: for anyone who's familiar with the TikTok people, she's much
[1:38] Speaker 2: bigger on TikTok, although she keeps getting her accounts banned.
[1:42] Speaker 2: She used to have some really big accounts back in
[1:44] Speaker 2: the day, and then you know, unfortunately, you know, TikTok
[1:48] Speaker 2: being what it is, they ban you at the drop
[1:50] Speaker 2: of a hat. So she got herself banned for a
[1:53] Speaker 2: little bit. But I think she I don't think she's
[1:56] Speaker 2: currently banned, but yeah.
[1:57] Speaker 3: LG.
[1:57] Speaker 2: Gray is an amazing comedian. Grew up in a fundamentalistic
[2:02] Speaker 2: background and tells her story online. She's got a couple
[2:07] Speaker 2: interviews on YouTube as well. If you to type in
[2:09] Speaker 2: like LG. Gray Comedy, I think you'll be able to
[2:11] Speaker 2: find some interviews that she's done. She's really funny. Amir,
[2:16] Speaker 2: thank you for sending out one Deconstruction Zone membership. I
[2:19] Speaker 2: really appreciate that, friend, and I hope you're doing well.
[2:22] Speaker 2: Good to hear from you, Gary, Thank you for the supertest.
[2:24] Speaker 2: There's a couple more bucks towards a lucid Air. We're
[2:28] Speaker 2: gonna a lot. To be clear, friends, I will never
[2:32] Speaker 2: spend that much money on a vehicle, even if I
[2:34] Speaker 2: have it. Never, It'll never happen. I grew up with
[2:39] Speaker 2: seven siblings, and I value financial stability more than I
[2:45] Speaker 2: value vehicles. Most of my vehicles are like bangers from
[2:51] Speaker 2: like the nineties that I just work on myself to
[2:55] Speaker 2: keep her rune in. I do currently have a newer
[2:57] Speaker 2: vehicle as my daily driver, but in the way, I
[3:00] Speaker 2: just drive a ninety eight Jeep, an old Jeep Wrangler.
[3:03] Speaker 2: I've got a sixty eight F one hundred that I've
[3:05] Speaker 2: been rebuilding, you know. Anyways, I really appreciate that you
[3:10] Speaker 2: deserve it as a mega pastor doing Doug's work. I mean,
[3:14] Speaker 2: technically I am. I'm kind of like the atheist version
[3:17] Speaker 2: of a Mikesture pastor at this point. I appreciate that friend,
[3:23] Speaker 2: missing John and Tittle, amazing name, amazing name. Thank you
[3:27] Speaker 2: for the supertests. Donate here, but watch vert to balance liskism. Well,
[3:32] Speaker 2: thank you, and we need some people working to balance
[3:36] Speaker 2: out the schism, at least the best that we can,
[3:39] Speaker 2: because remember, friends, there's no actual schism. And good question.
[3:43] Speaker 2: Thank you for the fidoph Supertest says Oh, responding to ar,
[3:47] Speaker 2: Are you talking about Jordi, the self appointed god of truth? No?
[3:50] Speaker 1: No?
[3:50] Speaker 4: Oh?
[3:51] Speaker 2: Jordan?
[3:51] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[3:51] Speaker 2: Why invoking him brings boils between the toes? Nasty? Yeah,
[3:56] Speaker 2: Jordan is a wild one. We've talked to him a
[3:58] Speaker 2: couple of times. He really thinks he's doing the Lord's work,
[4:01] Speaker 2: Like he legitimately believes that we're like demon possessed atheists
[4:05] Speaker 2: and that if he just pretends to be nice to us,
[4:07] Speaker 2: he'll convert us. But that's not how that works. Helping
[4:11] Speaker 2: Mega deconstruct good to see a friend think of it.
[4:13] Speaker 2: The supertestays, praise Doug and Sharon for giving us back
[4:15] Speaker 2: to back de Z live streams. Did you ever read
[4:18] Speaker 2: about Jesus's brother and the Christian Chinese Civil War? He led?
[4:21] Speaker 2: Actually I never got to dig into this. I really
[4:25] Speaker 2: need to, though. It's just one of those things where
[4:29] Speaker 2: like my reading list is already so long that like
[4:31] Speaker 2: I have to I have to prioritize what I get
[4:36] Speaker 2: to and what you know what I don't get to immediately,
[4:38] Speaker 2: so I'm trying, my friend, I'm trying. I do appreciate
[4:41] Speaker 2: the suggestion, though and Dark Soul says thoughts on Jimmy
[4:45] Speaker 2: Hendrix and led Zeppelin. First of all, I'm not crazy
[4:48] Speaker 2: about Jimmy Hendrix. Listen, he's amazing. I just don't know
[4:50] Speaker 2: if his music style was my flavor. But I love
[4:54] Speaker 2: led Zeppelin. Big fan of led Zeppelin. Also, I think
[4:56] Speaker 2: you'd like the Beauty of Annihilate by Elena Segman and
[5:02] Speaker 2: Kevin Sherwood. I have to definitely have to check it out.
[5:05] Speaker 2: I'm not sure what form of music they are, But
[5:08] Speaker 2: to your first question, really big fan of led Zeppelin.
[5:12] Speaker 2: I used to have the vinyls back in the day.
[5:14] Speaker 2: Now they're gone. I don't know where they're at now,
[5:16] Speaker 2: probably a good will. Dark Soul thank you for sending
[5:18] Speaker 2: out a Deconstruction Zone membership. I appreciate that, friend. And
[5:21] Speaker 2: Hank is in the house, Hank says, I brung some
[5:24] Speaker 2: cold to tins. Let's have a fucking barbie. You said,
[5:27] Speaker 2: It's exactly what's gonna happen. It's barbie time. Of all
[5:34] Speaker 2: the topics we do, this is the topic that brings
[5:37] Speaker 2: it out. Although that reminds me one second, I got
[5:41] Speaker 2: to do one thing before we get going. I have
[5:44] Speaker 2: to actually put the prompt up. Oops. Need to actually
[5:50] Speaker 2: get a prompt up. Sorry about that? Uh all right,
[5:57] Speaker 2: all right now we're cooking with pro paane, as Hank
[6:03] Speaker 2: Hill would say. Got the prompt up on both screens,
[6:07] Speaker 2: although it's kind of small on one of these screens,
[6:10] Speaker 2: give me a second to get it resized on the
[6:12] Speaker 2: vertical's that's probably okay. So that's good there. Yeah, always listen,
[6:17] Speaker 2: you always need to got to get a prompt on
[6:19] Speaker 2: the screen. You know, some people don't actually read the
[6:24] Speaker 2: video title the stream title, so you know it is
[6:28] Speaker 2: what it is. Voltage, good name. They give her the
[6:30] Speaker 2: supertest says, hey, I hippie, I hype, I hype doing,
[6:34] Speaker 2: I like doing, Hey I hype doing. Okay, and thank
[6:39] Speaker 2: you for Native American defense. You considered as a good sir,
[6:43] Speaker 2: well Voltage. I appreciate that. And I'm always quick to
[6:46] Speaker 2: point out that US white Europeans that ended up here
[6:49] Speaker 2: in America are actually the immigrants, where the illegal immigrants,
[6:53] Speaker 2: the natives deserve reparations. I fully believe that, and iyan
[7:00] Speaker 2: too good to see this says, I'm a whore for
[7:03] Speaker 2: the whorees rock hard for Doug simp fluet for Sharon,
[7:06] Speaker 2: gay for Justin. Allegedly addicted to Ian Aati is a
[7:11] Speaker 2: good one. We got to keep that around. Allegedly addicted
[7:13] Speaker 2: to Ian, I like that a lot. He does have
[7:16] Speaker 2: an amazing name. By the way, I love allegedly Ian
[7:20] Speaker 2: and Lake. Thank you for the tin that I was
[7:21] Speaker 2: super chat because I know Moses is an Egyptian name. Well,
[7:25] Speaker 2: there's a case to be made that it could be
[7:27] Speaker 2: a Hebrew name, but we's not go there just yet.
[7:30] Speaker 2: But I've now heard from scholars that Moses means son
[7:33] Speaker 2: of or to draw water out of. Does this sound familiar?
[7:36] Speaker 2: Can both very? Okay, there we go. So the Hebrew
[7:39] Speaker 2: meaning of the name of Moses or Moshe could mean
[7:44] Speaker 2: to draw out, and this certainly would make a lot
[7:47] Speaker 2: of sense. That being said, they're the Egyptian equivalent Moses
[7:54] Speaker 2: was popular. We have lots of names with that ending
[7:57] Speaker 2: in it, think like Tutmoses. So like, that's why it's
[8:01] Speaker 2: so difficult, because if it's a Hebrew name, there's a
[8:06] Speaker 2: path forward for determining what it could mean. If it's
[8:09] Speaker 2: an Egyptian name, there's a path forward for knowing what
[8:12] Speaker 2: it could mean. Right, So the question we have to
[8:14] Speaker 2: ask yourself is was it Hebrew or was it Egyptian.
[8:17] Speaker 2: My personal opinion was that it was probably a Hebrew
[8:21] Speaker 2: name pretending to be Egyptian. Like, they took a name
[8:24] Speaker 2: that they knew in Hebrew already and they said, oh,
[8:26] Speaker 2: there's some crossover in Egypt. This name shows up in Egypt,
[8:32] Speaker 2: and that's how they ended up with the name of Moses.
[8:34] Speaker 2: That's just me personally. I think that they borrowed from
[8:37] Speaker 2: the tale of Sargon of a god tells you that
[8:40] Speaker 2: it's a mythological story. Sargon was floated in a basket
[8:44] Speaker 2: by his mother and was found by the gardener of
[8:47] Speaker 2: the palace of Assyria, was raised by the gardener and
[8:50] Speaker 2: became king. So it's the same story. It was just borrowed. Damn,
[8:57] Speaker 2: thank you for the time. That's supertesus. So I think
[8:59] Speaker 2: God and Satan were roommates, but no one wanted to
[9:01] Speaker 2: take the trash out, so they kept squeezing it down
[9:04] Speaker 2: until at infinite pressure then bang the universe. Now we
[9:06] Speaker 2: have stinky garbage stars. I mean, that's it. That is
[9:11] Speaker 2: the case, right. You cannot explain like God's impotence, impenance, impotence,
[9:21] Speaker 2: impotence again Satan unless you just grant that Satan's as
[9:26] Speaker 2: powerful as God, because otherwise God's on the hook for
[9:29] Speaker 2: everything Satan does. Right, The only way to fix it
[9:32] Speaker 2: is be like, oh, well that's Satan, fucker, he's really powerful.
[9:35] Speaker 2: P Pop Fairy, good to see you. Thank you so
[9:37] Speaker 2: much for the ten that supers says by flag whores
[9:39] Speaker 2: for life, vert for replay by flag, Well, I don't
[9:43] Speaker 2: know what by flag mean. I think that's some internet
[9:45] Speaker 2: slang or some young people's slang that I'm not familiar with.
[9:49] Speaker 2: But you know what, if it's me. If I'm watching
[9:53] Speaker 2: it live, I'm typically watching it on horizontal so I
[9:57] Speaker 2: can comment because I want to comment live comment. If
[10:00] Speaker 2: I'm watching on replay, it depends if I'm if I'm
[10:05] Speaker 2: if I'm around the house, and probably horizontal, if I'm
[10:07] Speaker 2: driving or not driving, if I'm like somewhere where my
[10:11] Speaker 2: phone is not being used, then I'm gonna put it
[10:14] Speaker 2: on vertical so I can see the whole screen. You know,
[10:17] Speaker 2: that's just me. That's just me and clin think it
[10:20] Speaker 2: for the fright of our superchech client says, Doug got
[10:22] Speaker 2: stuck in my snowblower yesterday and broke my augur's sheerbolts.
[10:25] Speaker 2: I'm sorry about that. Deer bolts are meant to share.
[10:28] Speaker 2: At least, I guess he didn't want me to get
[10:30] Speaker 2: cold out in this now, well listen, I'm sorry about that.
[10:33] Speaker 2: That certainly wasn't Doug's plan. Somebody obviously misplaced one of
[10:38] Speaker 2: Doug's children, and since they're essentially immobile, you know it
[10:42] Speaker 2: is what it is. Blame the forces of the forces
[10:45] Speaker 2: of nature. You don't want to blame Doug on that.
[10:47] Speaker 2: All right, I'm going to bring in our guests. We've
[10:49] Speaker 2: got one on TikTok waiting and one on YouTube waiting.
[10:53] Speaker 2: So let's grab our first guest. We're gonna get Sam
[10:57] Speaker 2: from our TikTok q. I think we talked to Sam
[11:01] Speaker 2: recent Dan, welcome in. Our estates are at least eighteen
[11:05] Speaker 2: And are you a believer in God?
[11:08] Speaker 6: Yes? And yes, and yes we did talk recently, so
[11:10] Speaker 6: I'm excited to be back up.
[11:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, welcome back. And which version of God do you
[11:15] Speaker 2: believe in?
[11:18] Speaker 4: Don't know?
[11:19] Speaker 6: Okay, I have to ask. I have some questions. So
[11:25] Speaker 6: I heard that. So I was talking to my pastor.
[11:28] Speaker 6: And she went to seminary for four years through a
[11:31] Speaker 6: master's program, and so she knows Greek and Hebrew, and
[11:36] Speaker 6: you know, she knows a lot. But I have a
[11:39] Speaker 6: question of Genesis.
[11:41] Speaker 2: If you go to a good seminary, you have to
[11:42] Speaker 2: learn it. They make you do it.
[11:46] Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm just excited to have all these conversations with
[11:49] Speaker 6: her about my questions. But she said that the story
[11:53] Speaker 6: of Adam and Eve or in Genesis was passed down
[11:57] Speaker 6: for eight hundred years orally before it was yep, printed,
[12:02] Speaker 6: eight hundred years.
[12:03] Speaker 2: Yep, she's right, that's crazy.
[12:08] Speaker 6: So what how do we know? Why did we get
[12:10] Speaker 6: the version where Eve looks?
[12:13] Speaker 2: So let me let me let me get the calculator
[12:16] Speaker 2: out and double check our our math. So it's it's
[12:20] Speaker 2: probably about a one hundred years, though anywhere between like
[12:26] Speaker 2: four hundred and eight hundred years, depending on when you
[12:30] Speaker 2: think it was originally created. Here's why I think though,
[12:34] Speaker 2: that it was a long time. I don't think the
[12:37] Speaker 2: story of Adam and Eve was really written down until
[12:40] Speaker 2: the Babylonian period, right, So if we're talking about the
[12:43] Speaker 2: Babylonian period, we're talking about six oh five to five
[12:47] Speaker 2: hundred BCE, and if we're if we assume that it
[12:53] Speaker 2: was transmitted orally from that time period, orally from when, right,
[12:59] Speaker 2: I would imagine from the beginning of like Abraham maybe
[13:04] Speaker 2: like If that's the case, so if Abraham knew the story,
[13:08] Speaker 2: that means it would have been transmitted from Abraham orally
[13:11] Speaker 2: all the way to the Babylonian period, so almost a
[13:14] Speaker 2: thousand years. But if it was first given to Moses,
[13:17] Speaker 2: well then it depends on when you think Moses lived, right,
[13:20] Speaker 2: So if Moses lived in the twelve hundreds, then that
[13:24] Speaker 2: gets you about six hundred years, right. But if Moses
[13:29] Speaker 2: lived in fact in the fourteen hundreds, which I think
[13:32] Speaker 2: one Kings Chapter six mandates, then that gets you in
[13:36] Speaker 2: fact to eight hundred years, which so she's I think
[13:39] Speaker 2: she's spot fucking on right. The problem is Christians will say, well,
[13:45] Speaker 2: it was written down before the Babylonian period, but we
[13:48] Speaker 2: have no evidence of it. We don't have like Genesis
[13:52] Speaker 2: in early Paleo Hebrew. We have Genesis basically written in
[13:57] Speaker 2: Aramaic Hebrew, and we do have some fragments that are
[14:00] Speaker 2: in Paleo Hebrew, but it's clear that the fragments aren't
[14:03] Speaker 2: actually all that old. We don't know if someone was
[14:07] Speaker 2: converting them to Paleo Hebrew, because they could do that
[14:10] Speaker 2: at the time period, or if they were legitimately copying
[14:13] Speaker 2: an older Paleo Hebrew script. Long in short of it, Sam,
[14:17] Speaker 2: your pastor's right.
[14:19] Speaker 6: That's great. I really enjoy going to her service and
[14:23] Speaker 6: the fact that she's a woman in you know, in
[14:26] Speaker 6: power and authority, and she gives out the communion to everybody.
[14:30] Speaker 6: You don't have to be baptized Lutheran to have it.
[14:32] Speaker 6: She gives us about as luther Yes, so yeah, it's
[14:36] Speaker 6: a Lutheran church. And to me that's so powerful because
[14:40] Speaker 6: growing up Christian you have to be baptized. That's a
[14:42] Speaker 6: big thing in Christianity is to be baptized. And in
[14:46] Speaker 6: the Catholic Church you can't take communion unless you're Catholic.
[14:49] Speaker 6: And then I was Mormon for a long time, and
[14:52] Speaker 6: in Mormonism you can't take it unless you're Mormon. So
[14:56] Speaker 6: to be welcomed into her church and congregation and said that,
[15:00] Speaker 6: you know, Jesus would freely give the communion was like
[15:05] Speaker 6: life changing for me, almost like it just is so powerful,
[15:10] Speaker 6: you know, I just I have a lot of questions
[15:13] Speaker 6: about the Bible. I only like to stick with what's
[15:15] Speaker 6: you know what. The context is so important in facts,
[15:19] Speaker 6: and that's why I like listening to you a lot,
[15:21] Speaker 6: because you talk with people about deconstructing their faith. But
[15:25] Speaker 6: I just feel like her church is such a safe
[15:27] Speaker 6: place to to have those questions.
[15:32] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I get it, I really do. Well, Sam,
[15:35] Speaker 2: did you want to engage in the topic or did
[15:37] Speaker 2: you just want to come to share about Moses, because
[15:39] Speaker 2: first of all, I don't know who your pastor is.
[15:41] Speaker 2: Most she sounds pretty smart.
[15:45] Speaker 6: Yeah. Well, someone said Adam stole was stolen from the
[15:49] Speaker 6: Egyptian god at tomb and thirteen herd BC, who is
[15:53] Speaker 6: depicted as a snake in the Creation story. Is that true?
[15:56] Speaker 2: So that's the problem is we've got a couple different
[15:59] Speaker 2: models for the Adam and Eve story. My personal opinion
[16:03] Speaker 2: is that the Adam and Eve story originated with the
[16:05] Speaker 2: Babylonian creation myths, where humankind was created out of clay
[16:10] Speaker 2: and then God put his wind and his blood into
[16:13] Speaker 2: the clay to make mortals. And there's even a Babylonian
[16:16] Speaker 2: narrative about a rib and there's a Babylonian narrative about
[16:20] Speaker 2: a snake stealing the plant of immortality. So if you
[16:23] Speaker 2: go to the epic of Gogamesh when he finds Utnapishtum
[16:26] Speaker 2: basically at the end of the world is in his view,
[16:30] Speaker 2: he has to dive down into the sea of death
[16:33] Speaker 2: to retrieve this plant that grows at the bottom of it.
[16:36] Speaker 2: And if you eat this plant, supposedly you could be
[16:39] Speaker 2: granted immortality if you could survive the swim all the
[16:42] Speaker 2: way down. Well, he does survive the swim, I mean,
[16:45] Speaker 2: but then the snake ends up stealing it from it.
[16:49] Speaker 6: In Hinduism, the good forces and then the deenmonic forces
[16:54] Speaker 6: work together to bring about the churning of the ocean,
[16:57] Speaker 6: which brings up the tree of life. So the good
[17:00] Speaker 6: forces and the negative forces, bad forces, they work together,
[17:05] Speaker 6: and that's that's These are just.
[17:07] Speaker 2: Like, really, these are just really common propes and stereotypes
[17:11] Speaker 2: in the ancient world. So I'm not surprised at all
[17:14] Speaker 2: that it you know that it shows up in the Bible.
[17:17] Speaker 6: But well, the epic of Gilga Mash is in a
[17:19] Speaker 6: book I'm reading, and the book is called Myths of Mesopotamia. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah,
[17:25] Speaker 6: it's so what I'm reading is about Anki and Alile
[17:33] Speaker 6: and the cover.
[17:36] Speaker 2: Did you cover Anky and Inner Sog yet?
[17:40] Speaker 6: No, I'm just starting.
[17:42] Speaker 2: You want that one next? That one's that one's going
[17:45] Speaker 2: to have some creation uh mythology in it that will
[17:48] Speaker 2: parallel Genesis.
[17:49] Speaker 7: Right.
[17:50] Speaker 6: So they said how they made man or someone was
[17:55] Speaker 6: they mixed blood with intelligence and that's how they created,
[18:01] Speaker 6: which is such an interesting way to put it, don't
[18:04] Speaker 6: you think, I mean, I.
[18:05] Speaker 2: Mean, I think so they all have their own twist
[18:08] Speaker 2: on it. The problem with Babylonian creation epics is that
[18:11] Speaker 2: there's more than one of them, so depending on which
[18:14] Speaker 2: one you read, you get like a new flavor. But
[18:17] Speaker 2: all of them have some kind of overlap with the
[18:20] Speaker 2: Biblical story, which is really neat.
[18:23] Speaker 6: So I just don't know this in history. So it's
[18:26] Speaker 6: probably a dumb question, but can you answer it anyway?
[18:30] Speaker 6: So Mesopotamian, I thought was Egyptian, not Babylonian.
[18:34] Speaker 8: Wow.
[18:35] Speaker 2: No, Mesopotamia is where the Babylonians, Sumerians, and Akkadians were.
[18:42] Speaker 2: That was basically northeast of Palestine, and Egypt was southwest
[18:49] Speaker 2: of Palestine on the south side of the Mediterranean Sea
[18:52] Speaker 2: in northern Africa.
[18:57] Speaker 6: Okay, so right, that's where Egypt is, is the northern Africa.
[19:01] Speaker 6: And then okay, so you're saying you're saying a Kadian, Babylonian,
[19:04] Speaker 6: and Sumerian or in Palestine over there.
[19:08] Speaker 2: Well there are no northeast. In fact, let me grab
[19:10] Speaker 2: a map real quick and show you what I'm talking about.
[19:13] Speaker 2: One second, I gotta move my browser above the prompt.
[19:19] Speaker 2: There we go, so on the but this happened. I
[19:26] Speaker 2: don't know why did that. Oh it just made it
[19:30] Speaker 2: way too big. Okay, that's fine. How do I how
[19:33] Speaker 2: do I move it? Okay? I don't like this at all?
[19:37] Speaker 2: What's happening? Okay, Well, here's a Palestine slash Judea, and
[19:41] Speaker 2: Egypt is southwest of it, and if you go north
[19:48] Speaker 2: you get to Anatolia. We don't care about Anatolia. But
[19:51] Speaker 2: then you get the Assyrian Empire and the Babylonian Empire
[19:55] Speaker 2: way to the east of it, and the Sumerian Empire
[19:58] Speaker 2: was in this region too, except they're are a lot older,
[20:00] Speaker 2: so they're not on this map. So yeah, when we
[20:03] Speaker 2: talk about the ancient Near East, it in company encompasses
[20:07] Speaker 2: all of these territories and companies encompasses Egypt, Palestine, the Aramians, Syrians, Babylonians,
[20:15] Speaker 2: and this pink up here is ancient Anatolia typically covers
[20:19] Speaker 2: the Anatolians as well.
[20:22] Speaker 6: Do we have a lot of writings from all those
[20:24] Speaker 6: places generally? Are they pretty rare?
[20:27] Speaker 2: No, we got a bunch. In fact, we've got so
[20:30] Speaker 2: many of them. We've got a bunch on clay tablets
[20:32] Speaker 2: that aren't even translated yet, but you can find a
[20:35] Speaker 2: lot of them free on the internet. Actually, so, we've
[20:40] Speaker 2: got a lot of writings from Anatolia. There they're referred
[20:43] Speaker 2: to as the Hittite Corpus. We've got letters from from Mari.
[20:48] Speaker 2: We've got the Amarna tablets, three hundred different tablets that
[20:51] Speaker 2: were found to correspondences between the Egyptian pharaoh and petty
[20:55] Speaker 2: kings in the land of Palestine or ancient Israel. Eventually,
[21:01] Speaker 2: we've got thousands of tablets from Babylon and Assyria. We've
[21:05] Speaker 2: got tons of tablets from the Library of asher Bonapaul.
[21:08] Speaker 2: We just there's so much out there you can spend
[21:12] Speaker 2: the rest of your life reading it and never run out.
[21:14] Speaker 6: Are those all considered scriptures?
[21:19] Speaker 2: Not so much? No, I mean some of it, some
[21:21] Speaker 2: of it is some of us not, you know, some
[21:23] Speaker 2: of it's just in fact. Some of the most interesting
[21:26] Speaker 2: stuff are just like palace records. So, for example, in
[21:28] Speaker 2: one of the Palish records, we're told on two different
[21:32] Speaker 2: accounts that Belshazzar is the child of Nabinitis, not the
[21:36] Speaker 2: child of Nebukanezer, as the Bible says. Right, So something
[21:40] Speaker 2: as mundane as Palish re seats can yield really good information.
[21:47] Speaker 6: Well, that's amazing. I'm generally a curious person who likes
[21:51] Speaker 6: to learn about a lot of things, but it's hard
[21:53] Speaker 6: for me to prioritize when there's so much out there.
[21:56] Speaker 2: I get it. And we've got writings from Persia as well.
[22:00] Speaker 2: One of the most famous is the Cyrus Cylinder. You
[22:04] Speaker 2: owe it to yourself to get on the internet and
[22:06] Speaker 2: read the copy of the Cyrus Cylinder that we have.
[22:09] Speaker 2: It's amazing. It's a king Cyrus's account of his Conquest's
[22:12] Speaker 2: really good.
[22:14] Speaker 6: So who decided the Bible was scripture then or something divine?
[22:20] Speaker 2: Well, I mean, so the Jewish people by and large
[22:25] Speaker 2: have an idea of what they think scripture means. It's
[22:29] Speaker 2: just writings. Initially, it was writings that were important to
[22:33] Speaker 2: the people group. It takes time for important writings to
[22:37] Speaker 2: be scripture, and typically it just needs to be a
[22:41] Speaker 2: couple hundred years old before people are like, oh no, no,
[22:44] Speaker 2: that's sacred. Now now you can't touch it. Everything becomes
[22:48] Speaker 2: everything becomes a holy cow eventually if you give it time.
[22:51] Speaker 2: And this is last thing I'll say, because I got
[22:53] Speaker 2: some opposition that I want to get up here, but
[22:56] Speaker 2: I'll give you an example of what I'm talking about.
[22:59] Speaker 2: I had a friend, Mike, who's a pastor of the
[23:01] Speaker 2: Presbyterian Church, and in the nave of the church there
[23:04] Speaker 2: was an altar that was just in the way needed
[23:06] Speaker 2: to be moved. It needed to be moved back further,
[23:09] Speaker 2: and so he asked a janitor like, hey, can you
[23:12] Speaker 2: help me move this thing back? And Janner's like, no,
[23:15] Speaker 2: you don't want to move that back because the last
[23:17] Speaker 2: pastor nearly got fired over moving this thing. And he's like, yeah,
[23:21] Speaker 2: because it's in the way. But he's like, the problem
[23:23] Speaker 2: is he moved it without telling anybody, and people lost
[23:27] Speaker 2: their minds because it's been there for you know what,
[23:29] Speaker 2: seventy five hundred years, right, And so to the people
[23:33] Speaker 2: at the church. The location of the altar is basically
[23:37] Speaker 2: meaningless to the pastor, but to the people at the
[23:39] Speaker 2: church that became sacred. So he moved it one inch
[23:43] Speaker 2: at a time over the course of months before he
[23:46] Speaker 2: got it to where he wanted it. Some people wouldn't
[23:48] Speaker 2: notice that he moved it. And that's how religion works, right,
[23:53] Speaker 2: when when you become used to something that is religious
[23:56] Speaker 2: in nature, then eventually just becomes sacred and you can't
[23:59] Speaker 2: touch it.
[24:01] Speaker 9: Right.
[24:02] Speaker 6: I have one more thing before I I go, because
[24:05] Speaker 6: I know you want to make room for people. So
[24:08] Speaker 6: the last time we talked to you said you could
[24:10] Speaker 6: get me the deconstructing work, but we can't message each
[24:14] Speaker 6: other if you don't follow me. So I wasn't able
[24:16] Speaker 6: to ever message you.
[24:18] Speaker 2: Oh on discord, an, I'm not.
[24:21] Speaker 6: On discord, I meant on TikTok.
[24:26] Speaker 2: I don't. Just to be sure, Sam, I don't and
[24:29] Speaker 2: answer TikTok messages. I apologize. I get hundreds of them.
[24:33] Speaker 2: I can't keep up with them. I do all my
[24:35] Speaker 2: official business through email and discord.
[24:39] Speaker 6: Okay, is there an email that I could ask for
[24:42] Speaker 6: the deconstructing.
[24:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's my It's on my it's on my
[24:47] Speaker 2: YouTube account. It's too long for you to remember, but
[24:49] Speaker 2: if you go to my YouTube account it to be
[24:50] Speaker 2: linked there, you'll you'll see it.
[24:52] Speaker 6: Okay, it's your YouTube also called Deconstructing, Deconstruction Zone, Deconstruction Zone. Okay,
[24:58] Speaker 6: so I can find that on you. Yeah, okay, great, well,
[25:03] Speaker 6: thank you, sure thing.
[25:05] Speaker 2: Good look friend, goodyear from you, you too. She's nice.
[25:12] Speaker 2: I love that her pastor told her something. Honestly, you
[25:15] Speaker 2: can typically come into Lutherans for that. The Lutherans don't
[25:18] Speaker 2: fuck around with bad apologetics. They they're kind of like
[25:21] Speaker 2: the modern Catholics. They just kind of tell you what
[25:23] Speaker 2: the scholarly consensus is. They don't get bogged down with
[25:26] Speaker 2: apologetics all that much. I worked for Luthern Church briefly.
[25:30] Speaker 2: I loved it. Don says subfellow Heathens. Let's pray to
[25:35] Speaker 2: Doug that no one as bad as Spirit caused tonight.
[25:38] Speaker 2: By the way, this is Tamika. Well, hey, Tamika, thank
[25:41] Speaker 2: you for the super chat. And you know what, Spirit
[25:43] Speaker 2: was bad. But I really wanted to take her through
[25:47] Speaker 2: as much as possible because it was clear that she
[25:50] Speaker 2: had been duped by this religion and ems and I
[25:53] Speaker 2: wanted to free her from Islam. Famous amos, thank you
[25:57] Speaker 2: for the ten that supertest says. Please clip this genesis
[25:59] Speaker 2: to discussion with Sam and post it somewhere. I want
[26:02] Speaker 2: to listen again. I'm always learning something from you. TikTok
[26:05] Speaker 2: is superior. Well I do love TikTok, but just for you,
[26:09] Speaker 2: I have a list of clips. So I'll say, Sam,
[26:15] Speaker 2: uh say clip convo for educational purposes. I got you.
[26:22] Speaker 2: I got your famous amos. Thank you. I'm going to read.
[26:25] Speaker 2: I gonna gard two more super tests. We're gonna get
[26:27] Speaker 2: our next guests in here. Ties for Doug. W. Doug, Well,
[26:32] Speaker 2: thank you, Colin. I really appreciate that, friend W. Colin
[26:35] Speaker 2: and W. Also Randy Wilson come in with the People's
[26:39] Speaker 2: ebo from the top rope. Thank you Randy for sending
[26:42] Speaker 2: out twenty twenty deconstruction zoned membership. Let's get some WS
[26:47] Speaker 2: in the house for Randy. Thank you so much, my
[26:49] Speaker 2: friend Randy. Really crushing memberships, just absolutely crushing them. All right,
[26:55] Speaker 2: well we're gonna grab PhD free and well we're not
[26:58] Speaker 2: gonna grab PhD free because they so we're gonna grab Steven.
[27:02] Speaker 2: We talked to Steven a couple of nights ago, maybe
[27:06] Speaker 2: a week ago, eleven twenty four. According to my list,
[27:10] Speaker 2: we talked to Stephen list. It's a different Stephen. Welcome back, Stephen.
[27:14] Speaker 10: Hi, justin, can you hear me?
[27:16] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[27:16] Speaker 2: I can hear you.
[27:18] Speaker 10: Yep, here justin just very quickly. I know you're what
[27:22] Speaker 10: you're wanting to get people and who disagree with the
[27:24] Speaker 10: prompt And so I'm I'm three weeks any dconstruction, and
[27:28] Speaker 10: so I just I'm not only going to take up
[27:30] Speaker 10: like literally five five minutes of your time. The first
[27:33] Speaker 10: conversation we had essentially the big the big three things
[27:37] Speaker 10: that convinced me nine, Sam, twite two, and fifty three.
[27:41] Speaker 10: So I'm doing them one by one. And I've done
[27:46] Speaker 10: more reading on Daniel nine this past a couple of
[27:49] Speaker 10: weeks than probably ninety nine percent of Christians.
[27:53] Speaker 9: And so.
[27:55] Speaker 10: I'm now fully read up on the mccabean revolt and
[28:00] Speaker 10: Anias the third being the anointed one, and the reasons
[28:06] Speaker 10: why there's a scholarly consensus on the Daniel being written
[28:12] Speaker 10: a con century BC.
[28:14] Speaker 2: And you know, I thought, see.
[28:18] Speaker 10: See when you google Daniel nine, it's just like what
[28:21] Speaker 10: or if you're write what is Daniel nine about. It's
[28:23] Speaker 10: just Jesus, Jesus, Jesus.
[28:25] Speaker 11: Jesus, just.
[28:27] Speaker 2: Apologetics.
[28:29] Speaker 10: Yeah, so in order to actually get to like at
[28:33] Speaker 10: type ten, what's the original context of Daniel nine? And
[28:37] Speaker 10: I couldn't find it anywhere. I went on chat GBT
[28:40] Speaker 10: and said, what is actually the original context of Daniel nine?
[28:43] Speaker 10: And it said, oh, the original context of Daniel clear
[28:47] Speaker 10: and scholars agree that it's to do with the Macabean
[28:49] Speaker 10: Revolt and it's with the death of Blah blah. And
[28:52] Speaker 10: I was like, this information is actually really difficult for
[28:55] Speaker 10: someone to get justin But anyway.
[28:57] Speaker 2: I didn't make it up. Steve like, these are well
[29:02] Speaker 2: accepted things in evangelical seminary, Like if you go to
[29:06] Speaker 2: an evangelical seminary, these are just things that people know.
[29:11] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[29:12] Speaker 10: And for me now, when I read it and I
[29:16] Speaker 10: understand the history and the language that's been used, that
[29:20] Speaker 10: it fits with a mighty being revolt, and that it
[29:23] Speaker 10: was written after the fact, and that the things that
[29:27] Speaker 10: were after that period were incorrect, and so it was
[29:32] Speaker 10: written during that period, it seems, or it was editorially
[29:38] Speaker 10: written through a period of time but finished around that time.
[29:42] Speaker 10: So I get that and so I'm fully on board
[29:44] Speaker 10: with Daniel nine, see for Isaiah fifty three and Sam
[29:48] Speaker 10: twenty two. So I co completely understand.
[29:52] Speaker 2: It, like Stephen, the apologetic that that's the strongest right
[29:58] Speaker 2: from the Christian side, right, the apologetic that works the
[30:01] Speaker 2: best is to just admit, and most scholars are okay
[30:05] Speaker 2: with this, is that none of the prophecies in the
[30:09] Speaker 2: Hebrew Bible are fulfilled in Jesus in their primary context.
[30:13] Speaker 2: That's they'll say that the prophecies were concealed. They only
[30:19] Speaker 2: speak of Jesus in like a secondary sense or in
[30:22] Speaker 2: a partial sense, or something of that nature. But like,
[30:27] Speaker 2: if you're a person like me, like I don't accept
[30:30] Speaker 2: that as a valid method of doing prophecy. I think
[30:32] Speaker 2: it's it's ridiculous because then it could be about anybody.
[30:36] Speaker 2: I could listen, I can go to the Old Testament
[30:38] Speaker 2: and find random amount of context versus and make it
[30:40] Speaker 2: about me. And that's you know.
[30:43] Speaker 10: Yeah, no, I agree with you don't. And see, as
[30:46] Speaker 10: a Christian over the past five years, I have told people,
[30:49] Speaker 10: you know, look, there's an immediate context this passage, and
[30:52] Speaker 10: there's also uh messianic context, you know. So I've used
[30:57] Speaker 10: that language before whenever I was teaching from the Bible.
[31:00] Speaker 10: But anyway note can work because see if that see
[31:04] Speaker 10: if I was left in a position where the Maccabean
[31:07] Speaker 10: revolt was in immediate context, but you can also fet
[31:10] Speaker 10: Jesus into it, I would be less dissuaded. But I
[31:14] Speaker 10: can't actually use that excuse because the in order to
[31:18] Speaker 10: effect Jesus and Adaniel nine, you also need to make
[31:22] Speaker 10: assumptions like why would the decree to rebuild the temple
[31:27] Speaker 10: in Jerusalem be Nehemiah's later rather than Darius's decree or
[31:33] Speaker 10: Cyrus's decree. The more excuse.
[31:37] Speaker 2: The more problematic thing is is actually quite clear. I
[31:40] Speaker 2: don't think it's about a decree at all. I realized
[31:43] Speaker 2: that you could, you could translate it as that. But
[31:45] Speaker 2: I personally agree with the scholars who say that it's
[31:48] Speaker 2: about the prophecy of Jeremiah in six oh five, because
[31:52] Speaker 2: even as Daniels Praying said, a word went out, same verbiage, right.
[31:57] Speaker 10: Yep, yeah, yeah, you showed me that on the first
[32:03] Speaker 10: call that we had, and yeah, and the transition that
[32:06] Speaker 10: you were using it was just like a word has
[32:09] Speaker 10: gone out, and is so from when the time when
[32:12] Speaker 10: the word kit went out, so I can see that
[32:15] Speaker 10: point of view too. So anyway, Daniel nine, absolutely with
[32:19] Speaker 10: beyond the Shadow of a Doubt can be refuted in
[32:23] Speaker 10: my mind as a deconstruction deconstructing Christian see for Isaiah
[32:29] Speaker 10: fifty three, for example. The thing that I'm struggling with,
[32:34] Speaker 10: obviously is that the whole book is about Israel, and
[32:37] Speaker 10: then there's a random chapter fifty three, and there's a
[32:41] Speaker 10: few verses in chapter nine, you know, insttributed to you.
[32:45] Speaker 10: But see still as someone who's struggling with these sorts.
[32:49] Speaker 10: When I read Isaiah fifty three, there is a striking
[32:53] Speaker 10: resemblance that I'm battling with. And so is there anything
[32:58] Speaker 10: other than the fact that i Za fifty three is
[33:01] Speaker 10: not explicitly masthionic on the context of the whole book
[33:04] Speaker 10: is about Israel and not messionic. Is there anything else
[33:07] Speaker 10: about Isaiah fifty three that stakes out to you as
[33:11] Speaker 10: something that you can go this doesn't apply to Jesus
[33:13] Speaker 10: or this doesn't make sense for sure.
[33:16] Speaker 2: So there's two problems other than what you've mentioned. One
[33:19] Speaker 2: problem is quite clearly that the reason why this is
[33:24] Speaker 2: so reminiscent of Jesus is because Jesus God has ass kicked,
[33:29] Speaker 2: he suffered, and so they had they had to say, okay,
[33:33] Speaker 2: what in the Old Testament can I turn to where
[33:36] Speaker 2: somebody suffers? And obviously they're like, oh, well, fucking Isaiah
[33:39] Speaker 2: fifty three, right, everyone knew about it. So obviously the
[33:42] Speaker 2: reason why it matches is because they went hunting. They
[33:46] Speaker 2: already had their target and they're like, where can we
[33:48] Speaker 2: stick this arrow?
[33:49] Speaker 10: Right?
[33:50] Speaker 2: So that being said, that's why it matches up. Now
[33:53] Speaker 2: if we I mean, they wrote their theology to match it.
[33:58] Speaker 2: But let's look at the passage, because there's two things
[34:00] Speaker 2: in the passage that make it quite clear it couldn't
[34:02] Speaker 2: be about Jesus. It says, therefore I will allot him
[34:08] Speaker 2: a portion with the great, and he shall divide the
[34:10] Speaker 2: spoil with the strong. So this this is referencing war spoil,
[34:15] Speaker 2: war spoil, okay, yep, right, And if you read the
[34:19] Speaker 2: ref is of Isaiah, he talks about how they're going
[34:22] Speaker 2: to be victorious. And we talked about that last time.
[34:25] Speaker 2: We talked about how kings are going to bring bring
[34:28] Speaker 2: wealth to Isaiah chapter sixty. Right, But in uh in
[34:32] Speaker 2: verse nine or ten, let's see, it was a ten,
[34:36] Speaker 2: maybe twenty. It's got to be ten. It could be nine.
[34:43] Speaker 1: Mm hmmm, no, I.
[34:50] Speaker 10: Oh yeah, he'll he'll is this the off spring thing?
[34:54] Speaker 2: Yeah? Where's where's he will see.
[34:56] Speaker 5: His off spring?
[34:56] Speaker 10: I think it's first ten, but that's just from memory.
[34:59] Speaker 2: Oh oh there, Yeah, he's hidden in there. It says
[35:02] Speaker 2: when you make his life an offering for sin, he
[35:04] Speaker 2: shall see his offspring and shall prolong as days. So
[35:09] Speaker 2: this makes perfect sense if we're talking about Israel. Yeah, yeah,
[35:12] Speaker 2: Israel got their asses kicked by the Babylonians as payment
[35:15] Speaker 2: for sin, and because of that they have now been
[35:19] Speaker 2: healed and their their life will be extended, and their
[35:23] Speaker 2: offspring will, you know, shall still shall live, they'll live on. Right,
[35:28] Speaker 2: But if you apply it to Jesus, it's now meaningless.
[35:34] Speaker 10: Other than the like the sort of way out that
[35:38] Speaker 10: you could have that offspring a sort of metaphorical for
[35:41] Speaker 10: Christ's followers.
[35:42] Speaker 2: Well, no, that's not the case, because, as it turns out,
[35:46] Speaker 2: the New Testament says that we're heirs with Christ, meaning
[35:49] Speaker 2: we're siblings of him, not offspring of him.
[35:53] Speaker 10: Right yeah, right, Okay, So for Isaiah fifty three, you
[35:59] Speaker 10: would say it's not the it's not messianic, and the whole,
[36:05] Speaker 10: you know, sixty six chapters or however long it is.
[36:07] Speaker 10: And then fifty three is this suffering servant which is Israel,
[36:12] Speaker 10: and there is a resemblance. And then you have two
[36:16] Speaker 10: verses that you know about the war spoil which doesn't apply,
[36:20] Speaker 10: and the offspring. So that's where you would stand with See.
[36:26] Speaker 10: I had a very quick question, ahtichly about Daniel nine
[36:28] Speaker 10: that I forgot to ask. See when I'm thinking about
[36:32] Speaker 10: the historical context about that Antiochus, I don't know if
[36:37] Speaker 10: I'm saying that right, because I'm only reading. I've not actually,
[36:39] Speaker 10: like you know, watched the video on it.
[36:41] Speaker 2: And listen, Stephen, you're more than welcome send me a
[36:43] Speaker 2: message when the when it pops into your head. But
[36:46] Speaker 2: we've got like two thousand people here, of course, waiting
[36:49] Speaker 2: for a debate to happen.
[36:51] Speaker 10: Yes, yes, sorry, no, I I get that. Just see
[36:55] Speaker 10: when Daniel's saying about I know, like the ending of
[36:59] Speaker 10: sin and righteousness and things, that seems a bit out
[37:04] Speaker 10: of the historical context, because like it sounds.
[37:07] Speaker 2: Like that's how Jesus, that's how you know it was
[37:09] Speaker 2: written during the anti Angealican crisis is because when it
[37:14] Speaker 2: starts to make predictions for the future. They fail, right,
[37:18] Speaker 2: So the goal of apocalyptical literature is say God's promises
[37:22] Speaker 2: haven't failed, They're just around the corner, right, So that's
[37:25] Speaker 2: what they did. God's promises are just around the corner.
[37:28] Speaker 2: He hasn't abandoned you, but they're not around the corner.
[37:31] Speaker 2: They failed.
[37:32] Speaker 5: Okay.
[37:33] Speaker 2: So and we see that after the Antiocan crisis, during
[37:36] Speaker 2: the Maccabean period, there were a lot of people who did,
[37:38] Speaker 2: in fact believe that the that the prophecies were coming true.
[37:44] Speaker 2: About the Messianic age. In fact, if you read the
[37:47] Speaker 2: introduction introduction, probably the best way to word it, we're
[37:51] Speaker 2: gonna call it the introduction to Second Maccabee's there's an
[37:56] Speaker 2: introduction in there that basically is alluding to the idea that, hey,
[38:01] Speaker 2: God is fulfilling these promises. Finally, it's finally happening, right,
[38:05] Speaker 2: and he's about to He's about to do the rest
[38:07] Speaker 2: of them. And then if you look at some of
[38:10] Speaker 2: the coinage from the from the Macabean post Macabean period,
[38:14] Speaker 2: it was pretty clear that there's a lot of Messianic overtones.
[38:18] Speaker 2: In fact, the coinage of Alexander Jeneis had a lot
[38:21] Speaker 2: of Messianic overtones during the Hasminian period. So there certainly
[38:26] Speaker 2: seems to have been this idea that well after the
[38:30] Speaker 2: Macabean Revolt, when they were successful and they regained their land,
[38:33] Speaker 2: that hey, maybe these these prophecies were coming true. And
[38:37] Speaker 2: that's why Daniel had such good staying power because it
[38:41] Speaker 2: wasn't immediately clear that the prophecy did fail. It took
[38:45] Speaker 2: it took another you know, one hundred years for them
[38:48] Speaker 2: to realize that, oh, yeah, the prophet is not going
[38:50] Speaker 2: to come to.
[38:53] Speaker 4: Go.
[38:53] Speaker 10: Yeah, well, just I'll leave and I'll stay on and
[38:57] Speaker 10: listen to something. Just going to say one thing. By
[38:59] Speaker 10: the way, I to produce semen in between the backbone.
[39:03] Speaker 1: And my ribs.
[39:04] Speaker 10: I've got a rare I've got a rare medical condition
[39:09] Speaker 10: where I've produced semen between the backbone and the ribs.
[39:13] Speaker 10: So I just want to let you know that anybody
[39:15] Speaker 10: doesn't I don't have anywhere to put my tithes anymore,
[39:18] Speaker 10: and so I might be r.
[39:19] Speaker 9: H for you.
[39:20] Speaker 10: So hey, go bless tooler.
[39:23] Speaker 2: All right, cheers Stephen, goodyear from me. All right, w Steven,
[39:28] Speaker 2: He's on his he's on his path. I know, people
[39:30] Speaker 2: get bored with me having some of those non debate conversations,
[39:34] Speaker 2: But it's kind of important. Steven's on the path, he's learning,
[39:37] Speaker 2: he's discovering, and we have to give people some space
[39:40] Speaker 2: to do that. Air force thinking for the supertest is DZ.
[39:42] Speaker 2: Based on all your research and understanding, what do you
[39:46] Speaker 2: think should be the Christian position on the death penalty?
[39:49] Speaker 2: If you were a believer? Oh well, if I was
[39:50] Speaker 2: a believer, I would I would definitely not be pro
[39:53] Speaker 2: death penalty at all. That certainly wouldn't be the case
[39:58] Speaker 2: when I was, and I when I was a Christian,
[39:59] Speaker 2: I wasn't. I was absolutely against capital punishment as a Christian.
[40:03] Speaker 2: As a Christian, you shouldn't think that you have the
[40:06] Speaker 2: right to take anybody's life. That being said, as an atheist,
[40:11] Speaker 2: I still fucking agree. I don't. I don't believe in
[40:14] Speaker 2: capital punishment. That's just my position. I understand some people
[40:16] Speaker 2: disagree with me, and that's fine.
[40:18] Speaker 5: All right.
[40:18] Speaker 2: Let's bring in mister Dave. Hello, Yay, welcome in, mister Dave.
[40:26] Speaker 2: Are you at least eighteen? And do you believe in God?
[40:30] Speaker 9: Yes?
[40:30] Speaker 11: And yes?
[40:32] Speaker 2: Awesome? And which God do you believe in?
[40:36] Speaker 11: Christian God? Bible? Cool?
[40:39] Speaker 2: And do you think that the Christian God is all good?
[40:43] Speaker 2: Partly good, maybe some good, some bad, oh, one hundred
[40:49] Speaker 2: percent good? Okay? Interesting? And when you say good, would
[40:54] Speaker 2: that mean then like everything God does is by extension good?
[40:59] Speaker 2: Then like, if God does it, it must be good?
[41:01] Speaker 2: Or can God sometimes do bad things?
[41:05] Speaker 11: He is good and he's only good. He is the good,
[41:09] Speaker 11: He's the word himself. He is good.
[41:12] Speaker 2: Yes, sure, fantastic. So then let me ask you a question.
[41:17] Speaker 2: Is is it like ever okay? Or is it ever good?
[41:21] Speaker 4: Rather?
[41:21] Speaker 2: Is it ever good to to murder children?
[41:28] Speaker 3: What do you mean?
[41:30] Speaker 6: So?
[41:30] Speaker 2: Like, if I if I wanted to take they, like
[41:35] Speaker 2: I don't know, a sword to a baby? Is there
[41:38] Speaker 2: any situation that would make that? Okay?
[41:42] Speaker 11: You're talking about in a war, that's all you're saying.
[41:44] Speaker 2: I didn't say in a war.
[41:45] Speaker 11: No, So what's so, what's the context of this situation?
[41:51] Speaker 2: I didn't give you a context. I didn't give you
[41:54] Speaker 2: a context. So I asked you, is there any situation
[41:58] Speaker 2: which means I'm asking you for possible context? Is there
[42:01] Speaker 2: any situation in which it would be a good thing
[42:04] Speaker 2: to take a sword to a baby?
[42:07] Speaker 4: Oh? No, no, no, no, not not.
[42:09] Speaker 3: There's not.
[42:12] Speaker 11: A situation, except if it's a by accident war.
[42:17] Speaker 2: Okay. So if it's not in a war, then then
[42:20] Speaker 2: it's not. Okay.
[42:22] Speaker 11: If the sun in a war, it's done.
[42:24] Speaker 7: Okay, that's it.
[42:27] Speaker 2: That's the only exception.
[42:31] Speaker 11: Yeah, if you do that accident in a war, that
[42:34] Speaker 11: happens in every war, every war in history.
[42:37] Speaker 2: No, no, no, not not an accident on purpose.
[42:41] Speaker 11: On purpose, on purpose, on purpose is not no.
[42:49] Speaker 2: Okay. So if you kill a child on purpose, even
[42:52] Speaker 2: in war, it's not good. Yeah, gotcha. Okay, Well, let
[42:56] Speaker 2: me show you a passage. This is from First Samuel
[42:59] Speaker 2: twenty two, and it says, this is King Saul commanding
[43:04] Speaker 2: one of his henchmen. It says, then the king said
[43:07] Speaker 2: the dog, you dog, turn and attack the priest. Dog.
[43:10] Speaker 2: The edomite turned and attacked the priest on that day
[43:13] Speaker 2: killed eighty five who are of the linen ephod Knob,
[43:17] Speaker 2: the city of priests he put to the sword, men
[43:19] Speaker 2: and women, children and infants, oxen, donkeys, sheep he put
[43:23] Speaker 2: to the sword. So men, women and children he had
[43:26] Speaker 2: put to the sword. Now do you know what preceded
[43:30] Speaker 2: this killing? Go ahead, so danswers no, obviously, So what
[43:37] Speaker 2: preceded the killing was God's command. In Second Samuel chapter two,
[43:42] Speaker 2: God decides that he is fed up with Eli and
[43:45] Speaker 2: Eli's dastardly children, so he sends a prophet to basically
[43:50] Speaker 2: condemn the rest of his grandchildren's lineage. So if we
[43:56] Speaker 2: go there, the prophecy starts in verse twenty two. When
[44:00] Speaker 2: Eli was very old, he heard all that his sons
[44:03] Speaker 2: were doing, and to all Israel, I had laid with
[44:05] Speaker 2: the women who served at the entrance of the tent
[44:07] Speaker 2: of meeting, so on and so forth. Then he says,
[44:11] Speaker 2: thus say it the Lord, I revealed myself to the
[44:14] Speaker 2: family of your ancestor in Egypt, and they were slaves
[44:17] Speaker 2: to the house of Pharaoh. I chose them out of
[44:19] Speaker 2: all the tribes of Visible to be my priest, to
[44:21] Speaker 2: go up to my altar, to offer incense, to wear
[44:23] Speaker 2: the ephod before me, and to give the family of
[44:26] Speaker 2: your ancestor all my offerings by fire. Oh sorry, I
[44:30] Speaker 2: got to put the browser up on the vertical stream. Apologize,
[44:33] Speaker 2: apologize for that, friends, all my offerings. I'm in Second Samuel.
[44:38] Speaker 2: I'm sorry. First Samuel, chapter two, verse twenty nine. We
[44:43] Speaker 2: can fast forward a little bit the rest of the
[44:48] Speaker 2: prophecy gets to the good part in verse thirty one.
[44:50] Speaker 2: See a time is coming when I will cut off
[44:53] Speaker 2: your strength and the strength of your ancestors family. No
[44:56] Speaker 2: one in your family shall ever live to old age.
[44:58] Speaker 2: The only one of you who I shall not cut
[45:00] Speaker 2: off from my altar go'll be spared to weep out
[45:03] Speaker 2: his eyes and de grieve his heart. All the members
[45:06] Speaker 2: of your household shall die by the sword. So what
[45:10] Speaker 2: happened in First Samuel twenty two was the fulfillment of
[45:13] Speaker 2: First Samuel chapter two, when God says, I'm going to
[45:17] Speaker 2: have your family killed man, woman, and child, and then
[45:20] Speaker 2: he does. So there are some non war occasions where
[45:25] Speaker 2: it's okay to kill babies in right.
[45:29] Speaker 11: No, because this is a fallacy.
[45:31] Speaker 2: Actually, so God didn't have the babies killed.
[45:37] Speaker 11: This is a fatasy called presidentism.
[45:39] Speaker 2: No, it's not at all. I asked you about your opinion.
[45:42] Speaker 2: I didn't give you my opinion. So we'll try this again.
[45:46] Speaker 2: You said that this was a bad thing, which is
[45:49] Speaker 2: weird because God was the one that orchestrated it. Though
[45:52] Speaker 2: it must be good.
[45:54] Speaker 11: Wait, but can I can I explain to you what
[45:56] Speaker 11: you're doing.
[45:57] Speaker 2: I know what presentism is and I'm not doing it.
[46:00] Speaker 11: Yeah, you're trying to compare your white EU. Repeat. No
[46:03] Speaker 11: I didn't.
[46:04] Speaker 2: No, I didn't. I didn't compare it. Nope, No I didn't.
[46:08] Speaker 11: So then then what you're using them to.
[46:11] Speaker 2: I asked you. I asked you if you think it's good.
[46:14] Speaker 2: I didn't say anything about it.
[46:15] Speaker 5: I didn't.
[46:16] Speaker 2: I didn't even make a claim about it. Do you
[46:19] Speaker 2: think it's good when God kills babies?
[46:22] Speaker 11: This or No, God didn't kill the baby. Man, it
[46:25] Speaker 11: doesn't say.
[46:25] Speaker 2: That there God orchestrated it.
[46:29] Speaker 11: Show me where it says what you said, God?
[46:30] Speaker 9: Did it?
[46:30] Speaker 2: Show me where it says that it's a prophecy from God.
[46:38] Speaker 2: Did you not catch that part? It's it's a punishment
[46:41] Speaker 2: for Eli. It's a prophecy from God.
[46:48] Speaker 11: All right, says there. I revealed myself to the family
[46:50] Speaker 11: of your ancestor Egypt, doing their slaves to the house
[46:53] Speaker 11: of Pharaoh. I shows them one of all the tries
[46:55] Speaker 11: of Israel to be the priest to go to the
[46:57] Speaker 11: altar to offer incense to were it fought before me.
[47:01] Speaker 11: And I give to the family of your ancestor all
[47:04] Speaker 11: my offerings by fire from the Israelites. Why then, look
[47:08] Speaker 11: with greedy eyes on my sacrifices and my offerings, and
[47:11] Speaker 11: honor your sons more than me by fanning yourselves on
[47:15] Speaker 11: the choice, says parts of every offering of my people Israel.
[47:20] Speaker 11: Therefore the Lord the God honor your uns more than
[47:27] Speaker 11: me by family. Okay, Therefore, the Lord, the God of
[47:29] Speaker 11: Israel declares, I promise to your family, and the family
[47:33] Speaker 11: of your ancestors should go in and out before me forever.
[47:37] Speaker 11: But now the Lord declares, far it be from me,
[47:41] Speaker 11: for those who honor me, I will honor and.
[47:43] Speaker 2: Those hold on it, says, gifting suspended for ten minutes.
[47:49] Speaker 2: This behavior is not in line with our policies. What behavior?
[47:52] Speaker 2: Gifting is suspended for ten minutes on this live reason,
[47:55] Speaker 2: limited interaction learning?
[47:57] Speaker 4: What do you mean?
[47:57] Speaker 2: Limited?
[47:58] Speaker 5: Fuck you?
[47:59] Speaker 2: TikTok? I go ahead, mister, all is so far.
[48:04] Speaker 11: From the honorable honor and those who despise me shall
[48:07] Speaker 11: be treated with content. See the time is coming when
[48:10] Speaker 11: I will cut off your strength and the strength of
[48:13] Speaker 11: your ancestors family. No one in your family shall ever
[48:16] Speaker 11: live to old age.
[48:18] Speaker 5: The only one of you.
[48:22] Speaker 11: Well I shall not cut off from the altars, shall
[48:25] Speaker 11: be spared to weep by his eyes. And grieve his heart.
[48:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, when it says, the only one of you whom
[48:34] Speaker 2: I shall not cut off, who's the eye? Oh God,
[48:40] Speaker 2: that's right, God's the one cutting off the people.
[48:42] Speaker 5: There you go, and what does that being?
[48:46] Speaker 11: Cut him off from the altar? Like he's cutting off between.
[48:50] Speaker 2: Them, he's killing them.
[48:56] Speaker 11: Your family should live, All members of your household shall
[49:01] Speaker 11: die by the sword.
[49:06] Speaker 2: That's how prophecies work. Prophecies only come true when the
[49:10] Speaker 2: man up above makes them come true.
[49:16] Speaker 11: All right, So go to thirty six. Yeah, so that's
[49:28] Speaker 11: another all that saying there's a metaphor.
[49:32] Speaker 2: No, it's not a metaphor. So what he's saying is
[49:35] Speaker 2: that he's going to murder all of them, and then
[49:37] Speaker 2: he does.
[49:42] Speaker 11: How do you know he does that?
[49:44] Speaker 2: Because he says he is going to do it. He
[49:46] Speaker 2: says they shall die by the sword. We know what
[49:49] Speaker 2: dying by the sword means, not a metaphor, and then
[49:53] Speaker 2: they did die by the sword.
[49:57] Speaker 11: But what I understand from there is that he's saying
[50:00] Speaker 11: that the people who don't follow him will be cut off.
[50:04] Speaker 2: No, it's not at all what he said, Like you
[50:06] Speaker 2: weren't even reading it. He says, the only one of
[50:10] Speaker 2: you who's you.
[50:14] Speaker 11: The people of Israel.
[50:16] Speaker 2: No, that the lineage of Eli. This is a punishment
[50:21] Speaker 2: for Eli and Eli's lineage. That was the whole That
[50:24] Speaker 2: was the beginning of the conversation. He's like, you weren't
[50:27] Speaker 2: even listening. Eli has two sons that were desecrating the altar,
[50:32] Speaker 2: and he didn't correct them, Hoffney and Phineas. So he said,
[50:37] Speaker 2: because because you allowed this to go on, here's the punishment.
[50:41] Speaker 2: You obviously aren't worthy to serve. And because of that,
[50:45] Speaker 2: I'm going to have you all. I'm going to have
[50:46] Speaker 2: your family murdered.
[50:48] Speaker 11: And then he does, Yeah, I don't see the contradiction there.
[50:53] Speaker 2: I didn't say there's a contradiction. We'll try this again.
[50:56] Speaker 2: So no one said contradiction. Try to try to put
[50:59] Speaker 2: your listening ears on this time. I'm simply asking you,
[51:03] Speaker 2: is it good when God has people killed, even when
[51:06] Speaker 2: it's not in a war.
[51:09] Speaker 4: Oh?
[51:09] Speaker 11: Yeah, it is, because it's a blasphing.
[51:12] Speaker 2: Okay, fantastic. So we finally got to the point, which
[51:15] Speaker 2: is that your first statement was wrong. You said that
[51:18] Speaker 2: it's never okay even to intentionally kill a baby in war.
[51:23] Speaker 2: Now we're finding even when you're not in war, it's
[51:26] Speaker 2: okay to intentionally kill a baby. So it seems like
[51:30] Speaker 2: it seems like you're contradicting yourself, not me.
[51:34] Speaker 11: If I create something, I can destroy it too, Okay.
[51:36] Speaker 2: So just to be clear, you're gonna you're gonna take
[51:38] Speaker 2: back your previous statement. There are occasions in which it's
[51:42] Speaker 2: okay to kill babies. If God wants to gotcha, nail it,
[51:51] Speaker 2: nailed it, fantastic, you finally got it. Okay, So you
[51:54] Speaker 2: do agree then that there are occasions in which it's
[51:56] Speaker 2: okay to kill babies. If God told mister Dave to
[52:00] Speaker 2: take a sword to a baby, would it be right
[52:02] Speaker 2: to obey?
[52:04] Speaker 11: If God sends a prophet and that prophet brings miracles
[52:08] Speaker 11: and I know what's from God, I will do whatever
[52:10] Speaker 11: that God says if he pulls it through prophets and miracles.
[52:15] Speaker 2: Well, it's funny because I didn't even ask you if
[52:17] Speaker 2: you would. I just asked you in your worldview, would
[52:20] Speaker 2: it be okay? So then if God told you, I
[52:22] Speaker 2: don't know, to take out ten babies, you'd still do it.
[52:26] Speaker 11: Is there going to be a prophet and is he
[52:28] Speaker 11: going to show memorables from God?
[52:30] Speaker 4: Yep?
[52:30] Speaker 11: Sure will Yeah, yeah, sure.
[52:32] Speaker 2: Okay, if God said, if he showed up with miracles
[52:35] Speaker 2: and a prophet and said, listen, I need you before
[52:38] Speaker 2: you ex you know, take the ten babies, don't kill
[52:40] Speaker 2: him with the sword. Take the ten babies, grind them
[52:43] Speaker 2: up into baby paste and make some good like baby
[52:46] Speaker 2: paste krabby patties and grill them out on your grill
[52:49] Speaker 2: for lunch, then that would be the right thing to
[52:51] Speaker 2: do as well.
[52:53] Speaker 11: Yeah, but that's something that's not gonna happen.
[52:56] Speaker 2: Just check him. Okay, Well, you've demonstrated that you're dangerous.
[53:01] Speaker 2: We appreciate you playing the game.
[53:03] Speaker 11: And uh European standards.
[53:07] Speaker 2: Uh no, by the standard of it's never okay to
[53:10] Speaker 2: turn babies into baby paste patties and eat them. I
[53:14] Speaker 2: could be wrong, guys, I don't know. Correct me if
[53:17] Speaker 2: I'm wrong. Maybe I'm crazy here. Maybe it's a good
[53:19] Speaker 2: thing that we murder babies and eat them. I was
[53:23] Speaker 2: always told that cannibalism was wrong. I could be wrong.
[53:26] Speaker 2: I don't know who knows. I'm just a silly human,
[53:30] Speaker 2: you know what I mean. I don't have objective morals,
[53:34] Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Oh well, well that was
[53:38] Speaker 2: a good time. Let's uh let me grab a couple. Oh,
[53:41] Speaker 2: I gotta write them down. We gotta. We got a
[53:42] Speaker 2: baby paste really early. What was his name? It was
[53:45] Speaker 2: something Dave, mister Dave. And we'll just do uh baby
[53:54] Speaker 2: paste dope right off the bat, mister Dave. I hope
[53:58] Speaker 2: your family doesn't watch this, mister Dave. All right, Derek,
[54:02] Speaker 2: thank you so much for sending out fifty fifty DZ
[54:06] Speaker 2: debate gifted memberships. I really appreciate that friend. That is huge.
[54:10] Speaker 2: It's umongous. It's outlandish and absurd, but I really appreciate
[54:15] Speaker 2: that friend. And Derek, also with a super chat, says,
[54:18] Speaker 2: keep that Ohio base to barbecue going, just like them Buckeyes. Fuck,
[54:22] Speaker 2: the Buckeyes are cooking, buck guys are cooking hard. They're
[54:26] Speaker 2: they're like, listen, they're just they're steamrolling. We have to
[54:29] Speaker 2: we have to change their name to the Ohlat State
[54:32] Speaker 2: Steamrollers soon. And Bill, thank you for the twenty dollars
[54:36] Speaker 2: super chat. It says, this is my sixty seventh birthday. Well,
[54:39] Speaker 2: happy birthday, and this superchat is my birthday gift to
[54:41] Speaker 2: my shove. Well, fuck, happy birthday, and that's how that works.
[54:47] Speaker 2: I love your lives and as a blue Noser am
[54:51] Speaker 2: ecstatic to hear you will be on the line with
[54:53] Speaker 2: Shannon que keep doing Doug's work. I rock hard for
[54:57] Speaker 2: the well. Thank you, Bill, I really appreciate that. And
[54:59] Speaker 2: happy birthday. And yes, I should be on the line
[55:01] Speaker 2: a couple of times this month. Wednesday coming up, this
[55:04] Speaker 2: coming Wednesday, I'll be on with Matt. I don't know
[55:07] Speaker 2: when my appointment is with Shannon just yet, but she
[55:11] Speaker 2: is amazing. I still from time to time just go
[55:15] Speaker 2: back to watch her and Darth Dawkins. He cooked him
[55:19] Speaker 2: hard and last one for now. Master Michetier, thinking for
[55:22] Speaker 2: the ten that I was superted, says, is the Crimson
[55:24] Speaker 2: worm life cycle interpretation in Psalm twenty two six a
[55:27] Speaker 2: Christian apologetic development or an ancient Jewish source also connect
[55:31] Speaker 2: the worm sacrificial death to Messian Probasly, no, this is
[55:36] Speaker 2: the dumb Jewish apologetic. If it goes back to anything
[55:40] Speaker 2: even vaguely Jewish, it's probably cobble pabbal lawistic, cabalistic. There
[55:48] Speaker 2: we go, it's probably cabbalistic. It certainly isn't going to
[55:52] Speaker 2: be related to like proper Judaism, that that would be
[55:54] Speaker 2: asinine pabolistic. Sure, yeah, yeah, there's some, definitely some crossover
[55:59] Speaker 2: between Cabbalism and Christianity. Buddy, there's there's nothing on my
[56:05] Speaker 2: neck for you. I know, I know you didn't get
[56:09] Speaker 2: weaned properly, but I promise you're never gonna find a
[56:11] Speaker 2: nipple on my neck. Okay, you gotta you have to
[56:14] Speaker 2: settle down there, Bud. All right, let's get our next
[56:17] Speaker 2: guest in here. It looks like it's gonna be Sean.
[56:26] Speaker 4: Book.
[56:26] Speaker 2: Him and Sean are at least eighteen. And do you
[56:28] Speaker 2: believe in God?
[56:32] Speaker 5: Yes?
[56:33] Speaker 2: Awesome? In which God? Do you believe in.
[56:38] Speaker 5: Jehovah?
[56:40] Speaker 2: Awesome? And do you also believe in Jesus?
[56:45] Speaker 5: Yes?
[56:46] Speaker 2: I assume though because Jews never say Jehovah because it's
[56:49] Speaker 2: not his name. So do you think that the God
[56:54] Speaker 2: of the Bible is all good, partly good, or maybe
[56:57] Speaker 2: not so good? Maybe sometimes good, sometimes bad?
[57:04] Speaker 5: He's holy?
[57:05] Speaker 2: Yeah? But is he good?
[57:10] Speaker 5: Yes?
[57:11] Speaker 2: Awesome? So then you would say, then by extension, everything
[57:15] Speaker 2: he does is good and all of his laws are good?
[57:19] Speaker 5: Yes?
[57:20] Speaker 2: Okay. Do you believe in objective morals or relative morals?
[57:31] Speaker 5: Objective or relative?
[57:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, relative morals meaning they change with time and culture.
[57:37] Speaker 2: Objective would mean that they don't change with time and culture.
[57:45] Speaker 5: I believe that people, most of the people believe in
[57:51] Speaker 5: they change with time and culture.
[57:54] Speaker 2: Sure, that's what I believe. But I'm asking what you believe.
[57:59] Speaker 12: Well, if you think about if a person like a
[58:03] Speaker 12: person like me, I believe God's morals are.
[58:08] Speaker 2: Timeless, Okay, So they don't change with time.
[58:14] Speaker 5: No, they don't.
[58:15] Speaker 2: Okay, that's all we needed. I mean, I figured that
[58:17] Speaker 2: was your position. I just wanted to make sure. Okay,
[58:19] Speaker 2: So then was it ever okay, for example, to kidnap
[58:25] Speaker 2: women when you go to war and make them be
[58:29] Speaker 2: war brides? It depends, well, I don't know what's It
[58:40] Speaker 2: depends on.
[58:43] Speaker 5: What the instructions were. People. I know where you're going
[58:49] Speaker 5: with this.
[58:50] Speaker 2: I'm sure you do that. That's why I figured you'd
[58:53] Speaker 2: have an answer ready, But I don't know if you do.
[58:56] Speaker 2: So you're you're saying, there there are a case in
[59:01] Speaker 2: which it's okay to kidnap women and make them more brides.
[59:06] Speaker 5: Any any order from God is valid.
[59:13] Speaker 2: Okay, no matter what it is. There's no there's no
[59:15] Speaker 2: order that would be invalid.
[59:17] Speaker 5: Then, because here's why. When you look in the mirror,
[59:22] Speaker 5: what do you see.
[59:25] Speaker 2: That didn't answer my question, though, is there any invalid order?
[59:28] Speaker 13: Like?
[59:28] Speaker 2: Is there anything if God told you to do what
[59:30] Speaker 2: you shouldn't do?
[59:32] Speaker 5: I'm giving you the answer why, Well, I know why.
[59:35] Speaker 2: I'm not asking you why. I'm asking you the logical extension, right,
[59:39] Speaker 2: which is are there any orders that, if God gave
[59:42] Speaker 2: you it would be right to disobey them?
[59:47] Speaker 5: I just tried to ask him a question. I'm gonna
[59:49] Speaker 5: answer it for everybody.
[59:51] Speaker 2: Well, I just I just need a yes or no?
[59:56] Speaker 2: Yes or no? Are there any orders in which God
[59:59] Speaker 2: would give you where it would be right to disobey him?
[1:00:04] Speaker 9: No?
[1:00:04] Speaker 5: And here's oh, thank you.
[1:00:06] Speaker 2: That's all you had to say. I don't know why
[1:00:07] Speaker 2: that's so hard. I don't know why I have to
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: pry it out of you.
[1:00:11] Speaker 12: You didn't have to pry it out to me. I
[1:00:13] Speaker 12: wanted to expand on the point because I asked you
[1:00:16] Speaker 12: a question.
[1:00:17] Speaker 2: I said, when you look in the mirror, Sean, you
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: can't expand on a point if you don't answer it.
[1:00:21] Speaker 2: That's not how expansions work. Like, if I wanted to
[1:00:24] Speaker 2: expand on an answer to the question, I have to
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: first answer it and then I could expand on it.
[1:00:29] Speaker 5: Okay, I answered the question.
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: Now, yes, Now you get to expand yeah, go for it.
[1:00:37] Speaker 12: When when anybody, all five hundred and eighteen people, when
[1:00:42] Speaker 12: you look in the mirror, what you see is.
[1:00:46] Speaker 5: Something created by God. We're all creations of God.
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: That's what you believe.
[1:00:56] Speaker 5: Okay, Without God, we wouldn't be here. It's not a book,
[1:01:00] Speaker 5: it's a fact. So whether you believe it or not,
[1:01:04] Speaker 5: it's still a fact.
[1:01:06] Speaker 2: Well, you certainly haven't demonstrated it to be a fact.
[1:01:08] Speaker 2: And it's kind of irrelevant to tonight's talking point. The
[1:01:11] Speaker 2: talking point isn't whether or not God is real. For
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: tonight's talking point, I can just tell you that God
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: is real and he's right here. This is God. So
[1:01:20] Speaker 2: a bauda being bauda boom. That one's over. We can
[1:01:23] Speaker 2: move on to something more interesting. So if in fact, if,
[1:01:28] Speaker 2: in fact, if in fact, God told you to go
[1:01:34] Speaker 2: to war and kidnap a woman and making your war bride,
[1:01:37] Speaker 2: would you do it?
[1:01:43] Speaker 5: God gets to do with what he wants to do.
[1:01:47] Speaker 2: It's weird that you can't say yes or no would
[1:01:50] Speaker 2: you do it? If God told you to?
[1:01:54] Speaker 5: You already know the answer to the question.
[1:01:56] Speaker 2: How come you can't say it? Oh, there you go.
[1:01:58] Speaker 2: You would do it. That's all we needed to know.
[1:02:00] Speaker 2: That's all we needed with an actual answer. And if
[1:02:03] Speaker 2: God told you, If God told you that in the
[1:02:07] Speaker 2: same fashion that we find in because in Deuteronomy twenty one,
[1:02:12] Speaker 2: there's two things that we find.
[1:02:13] Speaker 11: Right.
[1:02:14] Speaker 2: Not only is there a woman who was kidnapped in war,
[1:02:16] Speaker 2: but also the man had to well got to rather
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: murdered the entire family of the woman, right, so she
[1:02:23] Speaker 2: got thirty days to mourn her entire dead family, and
[1:02:27] Speaker 2: then he could go into her.
[1:02:28] Speaker 14: Right.
[1:02:29] Speaker 2: So if God command you to them to go murder
[1:02:32] Speaker 2: all of her brothers and father and grandfather and even
[1:02:36] Speaker 2: any of the children of the household and then make
[1:02:39] Speaker 2: your war bride, it would be right to obey that.
[1:02:44] Speaker 12: I'd bury them and bury them until they were nothing
[1:02:49] Speaker 12: but ash and.
[1:02:50] Speaker 2: Then yeah, yeah, and then you just go into her.
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: Do you think do you think consent matters?
[1:02:59] Speaker 5: You do know that this is gonna happen again?
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: Oh, I certainly don't know that. So do you think
[1:03:05] Speaker 2: consent matters?
[1:03:13] Speaker 5: Do I think consent matters? Yes, I think consent matters.
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: Just not in war, because when you go to war,
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: then you can kidnap a women and make them your
[1:03:22] Speaker 2: war brides.
[1:03:25] Speaker 5: Nobody's doing that today.
[1:03:26] Speaker 2: I didn't say they were okay, So you don't You
[1:03:30] Speaker 2: don't believe it, but you definitely don't believe in consent.
[1:03:33] Speaker 2: And you definitely think it's okay to murder babies, and
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: you definitely think it's okay to kidnap women in wars.
[1:03:39] Speaker 2: It's pretty wild.
[1:03:41] Speaker 5: You're putting words into my mouth? Can I expand?
[1:03:45] Speaker 4: Nah?
[1:03:45] Speaker 2: I think you've said enough, and I don't want to
[1:03:47] Speaker 2: get my live stream taken down. We're we're fucking rolling today. Friends.
[1:03:53] Speaker 2: We've already got two in the bag. We got we
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: got two baby murderers in the bag already today. Guys,
[1:04:00] Speaker 2: gonna be a wild one. Can't wait, can't wait to
[1:04:03] Speaker 2: see what the rest of the night brings. Oh goodness,
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: I love it. Listen. If you ever wanted to know,
[1:04:12] Speaker 2: is religion dangerous? Yeah, the answer is yes, it's dangerous.
[1:04:15] Speaker 2: That guy just admitted he'd murder babies and then kidnap
[1:04:18] Speaker 2: a woman to be his wife. Ten twenty carry says
[1:04:21] Speaker 2: justin you need to stop using that tuna scented after shave. Well,
[1:04:27] Speaker 2: thank you for the super jet, and you know what,
[1:04:30] Speaker 2: as it turns out. I don't wear tuna scented after shave.
[1:04:33] Speaker 2: I think what's happening. The one of the members on
[1:04:37] Speaker 2: the channel here mentioned it was because they were weaned
[1:04:40] Speaker 2: so early that he he wants the nurse on me.
[1:04:44] Speaker 2: He thinks I'm mama right, And that certainly could be
[1:04:46] Speaker 2: the case. I would believe that because they were taken
[1:04:48] Speaker 2: from mom super early. I don't know the whole backstory,
[1:04:51] Speaker 2: because even the shelter didn't know the whole backstory, but
[1:04:55] Speaker 2: they were tiny when they got him one million and
[1:04:58] Speaker 2: is thanking for the six sixty six justin having to
[1:05:00] Speaker 2: read our super chat schism rhetoric under protest is the
[1:05:05] Speaker 2: of my day. Bless you, mate, rock Card horizontal well
[1:05:10] Speaker 2: one million. I do love you. I appreciate you being
[1:05:13] Speaker 2: here in support in the stream. But also remember there's
[1:05:16] Speaker 2: no schism. No schism there is. It's not real. And Trent,
[1:05:21] Speaker 2: thinking for the super Chest, says justin, I want to
[1:05:23] Speaker 2: I want to rerun on my tie to Doug. His
[1:05:25] Speaker 2: promised blessings for the Saints have not worked at all,
[1:05:29] Speaker 2: and no Doug works in mysterious wastecrat But Doug didn't
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: promise you that the Saints would win. Okay, it turns
[1:05:36] Speaker 2: out Doug. Doug's not that much of a football fan.
[1:05:40] Speaker 2: He's not so much past the pill. He's more like
[1:05:42] Speaker 2: past the rock. Maybe try back during basketball season. Results
[1:05:47] Speaker 2: may vary. Past performance is not indication of future performance.
[1:05:52] Speaker 2: We got the toasted bun thinking for the super Chest
[1:05:54] Speaker 2: says the first time I found your live, I was
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: playing Apex Legend. Well, congratulations, I'm I'm so old. I
[1:06:00] Speaker 2: don't know what that means. Now every time you go
[1:06:02] Speaker 2: live and I'm home, I just have to play Apex
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: good times. Thanks, Well, listen, I'm listen. I'm glad for it.
[1:06:08] Speaker 2: I love a good ritual. It's it's a really good
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: time to have a ritual, something comfortable that you can
[1:06:14] Speaker 2: keep on the uh, on the schedule and great. Big
[1:06:18] Speaker 2: James has dang it all this talk of astrabanopyle and Gogemesh.
[1:06:21] Speaker 2: Now I'm going to have the Mesopotamians by the might
[1:06:25] Speaker 2: be they might be giants stuck in my head all night.
[1:06:27] Speaker 2: It's been a hot minute since I've heard that one.
[1:06:29] Speaker 2: But yes, if you don't know that song, friends, go
[1:06:32] Speaker 2: check it out. It's a good one. And uh dirt Pizza.
[1:06:37] Speaker 2: I think doctor Pizza really says, but it really could
[1:06:40] Speaker 2: read dirt Easa. The Holy spirit is a feeling of
[1:06:43] Speaker 2: relief you get when you rationalize all the horrible shit
[1:06:46] Speaker 2: in the book to be okay. It is you nailed
[1:06:49] Speaker 2: it right. Once you rationalize killing babies and kidnapping women.
[1:06:54] Speaker 2: That feeling that washes over you is their Holy spirit, Steeve.
[1:06:58] Speaker 2: Good to see, my friends. Is that I think I
[1:07:00] Speaker 2: I have a logic fetish. I can't stop coming to
[1:07:02] Speaker 2: conclusions that is the case. That is the case, and
[1:07:09] Speaker 2: there's nothing wrong with that. Last super chat for now, Drew,
[1:07:13] Speaker 2: thank you so so much for the fifty dollars super chat.
[1:07:16] Speaker 2: Let's get some ws for Drew, because one of our
[1:07:19] Speaker 2: three year old cats has recently taken to licking on
[1:07:22] Speaker 2: our arms. She didn't do this when she was a kid,
[1:07:25] Speaker 2: you know, Drew, this is an interesting behavior. I've seen
[1:07:27] Speaker 2: this with a lot of cats. My last cat, Pie
[1:07:29] Speaker 2: did that a lot, and I did some experimentation, so
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: I thought initially it might be because in the summertime,
[1:07:38] Speaker 2: I get sweaty I'm outside working or I come home
[1:07:40] Speaker 2: from the gym and I've got that salty sweat, right,
[1:07:43] Speaker 2: I thought, I bet that pies licking my arm because
[1:07:47] Speaker 2: he likes the saltiness. I checked the internet. Nobody on
[1:07:50] Speaker 2: the internet seemed to confirm it. So I tested it.
[1:07:53] Speaker 2: I tested seeing if he would lick my arm when
[1:07:55] Speaker 2: it was wet but not sweaty, wouldn't do it. I
[1:07:59] Speaker 2: tried this multiple times, and then I purposely went outside
[1:08:01] Speaker 2: and sweat and got real sweaty and see if he
[1:08:05] Speaker 2: would lock me arm. And he always did every time.
[1:08:07] Speaker 2: So I have no other conclusion that I can come
[1:08:10] Speaker 2: to other than Mike Cat. I think likes the you know.
[1:08:12] Speaker 2: He likes the saltiness, you know. And and a lot
[1:08:15] Speaker 2: of animals do. Animals will climb dams. Goats will climb
[1:08:18] Speaker 2: on dams to lick the salt off the rocks.
[1:08:21] Speaker 9: It.
[1:08:21] Speaker 2: This is one of those things, right, It's a mineral,
[1:08:24] Speaker 2: it's a mineral need. All right, let's get a prayer
[1:08:28] Speaker 2: in here and then we'll keep the conversation's rolling. If
[1:08:32] Speaker 2: you're watching on TikTok, hit that guest request button. If
[1:08:35] Speaker 2: you're watching on YouTube, the link to join is on
[1:08:38] Speaker 2: the screen. It's tiny dot cc fod slash dz guest.
[1:08:41] Speaker 2: There's a clickable version of the link in the description
[1:08:44] Speaker 2: of the video if you don't want to type it in, however,
[1:08:47] Speaker 2: prayh welcome in. Are you at least eighteen? And do
[1:08:49] Speaker 2: you believe in God?
[1:08:52] Speaker 10: Yes?
[1:08:53] Speaker 4: Cool?
[1:08:53] Speaker 2: And which cond do you believe in.
[1:08:57] Speaker 9: The Bible?
[1:08:58] Speaker 2: Okay, so you're a Christian?
[1:09:01] Speaker 9: Yes?
[1:09:02] Speaker 2: Awesome? And do you think that the God of the
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: Bible is all good? Partly good? Maybe sometimes good, sometimes bad?
[1:09:11] Speaker 9: God, He's all good?
[1:09:13] Speaker 2: Okay, so then all he does is good and all
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: of his commands are good?
[1:09:19] Speaker 9: Yes?
[1:09:21] Speaker 4: Okay?
[1:09:21] Speaker 2: Is it ever good to kill somebody for a crime
[1:09:25] Speaker 2: that they didn't commit, say, like I don't know, say
[1:09:27] Speaker 2: they're church leader or their mayor or their king or
[1:09:33] Speaker 2: their president committed a crime, would be right to kill
[1:09:35] Speaker 2: the people for it?
[1:09:37] Speaker 5: Yes? Oh?
[1:09:39] Speaker 9: Can you name a situation, any situation the situation your
[1:09:45] Speaker 9: Jose described, maybe Joe skilling them for doing notts in wrong?
[1:09:55] Speaker 2: Which are this? Again? So my question is if a
[1:09:57] Speaker 2: leader of a people group commit to sin, should the
[1:10:01] Speaker 2: people group get murdered for what the leader did?
[1:10:05] Speaker 10: Yes?
[1:10:06] Speaker 4: Okay?
[1:10:06] Speaker 2: Can you name me an example where that would be
[1:10:08] Speaker 2: uh like a good thing?
[1:10:17] Speaker 9: Like if like they can't use the people as escape goods? Soon?
[1:10:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just I'm just waiting for an example. Can
[1:10:26] Speaker 2: you give me? So, like, if Donald Trump, let's say
[1:10:28] Speaker 2: Donald Trump cheated on his wife, would it ever be
[1:10:31] Speaker 2: fair to punish his constituents?
[1:10:35] Speaker 9: Yes?
[1:10:37] Speaker 2: Oh interesting, So imagine for a moment that I you know,
[1:10:41] Speaker 2: I'm a Donald Trump constituent. You know, well, I mean
[1:10:44] Speaker 2: technically I am because I live in the USA, even
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: though I didn't vote for him. But pretend for a
[1:10:49] Speaker 2: moment that even that I did vote for him. Right, So,
[1:10:53] Speaker 2: if Donald Trump commits adultery, would it be right to
[1:10:56] Speaker 2: have me punished for his adultery?
[1:11:00] Speaker 9: Yes? Why wounds? The dots be quid?
[1:11:02] Speaker 2: Okay, so you'd be okay. Then in America, if we
[1:11:05] Speaker 2: locked people up for crimes they never committed.
[1:11:09] Speaker 9: Yes, why wounds? It's a bull kid like why wots?
[1:11:12] Speaker 9: Bull kin?
[1:11:14] Speaker 2: Okay, because we believe in justice and you're a clown.
[1:11:18] Speaker 2: I can't believe that was a real person. Like I know,
[1:11:22] Speaker 2: he probably thought he was saying something smart, but he
[1:11:25] Speaker 2: really sounds a lot like a troll at that moment. Yeah,
[1:11:28] Speaker 2: he can leave now, I am. If you think you
[1:11:31] Speaker 2: can randomly, uh just lock people up for crimes they
[1:11:35] Speaker 2: never committed, I think you're sick in the head, Trent,
[1:11:38] Speaker 2: thank you for the supertest, says I know it's wrong
[1:11:40] Speaker 2: to kill a baby. I was just following orders though.
[1:11:43] Speaker 2: Sounds a bit nineteen thirty nine. Huh, you're right, rock
[1:11:45] Speaker 2: Hard for Doug and Gabe for Justin Well, thank you, Trent. Yeah,
[1:11:48] Speaker 2: you nailed it right. When you believe in it God,
[1:11:51] Speaker 2: it starts with hey, let's worship God, and it ends
[1:11:55] Speaker 2: with getting the fucking train. That's that's what it means
[1:11:57] Speaker 2: to believe in God of this nature, where you have
[1:12:00] Speaker 2: to commit to divine command theory and flux channel. Think
[1:12:03] Speaker 2: you for the ten that war supertest says all the
[1:12:05] Speaker 2: chatters who were upset about the first two callers got
[1:12:08] Speaker 2: to learn to be patient. We learned a little bit,
[1:12:10] Speaker 2: and then we were rewarded with two baby pasters in
[1:12:12] Speaker 2: a row banger of a night. In my opinion, flex
[1:12:16] Speaker 2: I do agree, and it's hard to because typically the
[1:12:20] Speaker 2: people who aren't real opposition, they know that they have
[1:12:24] Speaker 2: to get into the box early or else they'll never
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: get in, So they do get in at the beginning
[1:12:28] Speaker 2: of the show typically, So last super chat from Crispy
[1:12:32] Speaker 2: Cheese it says, I'm here for baby paste, pray, Doug
[1:12:35] Speaker 2: and go Bears. Well, Krispy, we've got two already. I
[1:12:37] Speaker 2: can guarantee we're gonna have some more. All right, PhD
[1:12:43] Speaker 2: fee is trying to connect again. We'll see if they
[1:12:46] Speaker 2: will be able to connect this time. Welcome back to
[1:12:49] Speaker 2: PhD or at least eighteen. And do you believe in God?
[1:12:55] Speaker 3: Yes?
[1:12:55] Speaker 4: And yes?
[1:12:57] Speaker 3: Cool?
[1:12:57] Speaker 2: Which God to believe in?
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: Jesus Christ?
[1:13:02] Speaker 2: Okay, so you're a Christian?
[1:13:04] Speaker 5: Sure? Sure?
[1:13:06] Speaker 2: Yeah? Do you think that the God of the Bible
[1:13:09] Speaker 2: is all good? Partly good or maybe mixture both?
[1:13:14] Speaker 9: Uh?
[1:13:14] Speaker 3: Neither one thing? He's merciful and jestful.
[1:13:18] Speaker 2: I didn't ask I didn't ask about mercy or justice.
[1:13:21] Speaker 2: I talked about goodness, right, So is he is he
[1:13:23] Speaker 2: all good?
[1:13:25] Speaker 3: Yeah? The Bible to say God is good. He says
[1:13:27] Speaker 3: that he's justiful.
[1:13:29] Speaker 2: Okay, So you're just not gonna So you're just not
[1:13:31] Speaker 2: going to answer the question. You're too cowardly.
[1:13:34] Speaker 3: I mean, that's not.
[1:13:37] Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't ask you. I didn't ask you that.
[1:13:39] Speaker 2: I asked you. Do you, as a human being, believe
[1:13:42] Speaker 2: that God is all good?
[1:13:46] Speaker 3: Sure? I can say he's good. Sure, I mean that's
[1:13:48] Speaker 3: not what it says.
[1:13:49] Speaker 2: But I didn't. I didn't ask you what the Bible said.
[1:13:51] Speaker 2: I asked you your opinion. In your opinion, do you think.
[1:13:54] Speaker 3: That the opinion?
[1:13:56] Speaker 2: Do you think that the God is all good?
[1:13:59] Speaker 3: Yeah? One more time?
[1:14:01] Speaker 2: No, okay, then we agree. What are you doing here?
[1:14:04] Speaker 2: Are you drunk? You can cuss?
[1:14:05] Speaker 3: Well, no, he's merciful and just maybe learn the difference.
[1:14:09] Speaker 2: Well, you can't be just ful and merciful. You can't be.
[1:14:13] Speaker 2: You can't be, you can't be. You can't be both
[1:14:16] Speaker 2: of them at the same time.
[1:14:17] Speaker 9: Right.
[1:14:18] Speaker 2: So, for example, mercy is the suspension of justice. Right,
[1:14:21] Speaker 2: so if you are just, that means you can only
[1:14:25] Speaker 2: be partly just and partially merciful. If you're at least
[1:14:28] Speaker 2: partly merciful, they're They're diametrically opposed. They're dichotomies. That's why
[1:14:34] Speaker 2: you can't be perfectly just and perfectly merciful. You have
[1:14:37] Speaker 2: to pick a percentage of each. But as it turns out,
[1:14:40] Speaker 2: I don't think that God is either of those things.
[1:14:42] Speaker 2: Let me ask you a question about justice. Do you
[1:14:45] Speaker 2: think it's ever okay, say, to punish a wife for
[1:14:50] Speaker 2: the sin of her husband.
[1:14:54] Speaker 3: I think it's okay.
[1:14:57] Speaker 9: Is it just so?
[1:14:59] Speaker 2: It wouldn't be just, well, well, she didn't commit the crime.
[1:15:03] Speaker 2: The context is he decided to commit a sin. She
[1:15:07] Speaker 2: has nothing to do with it. It was his entire decision,
[1:15:11] Speaker 2: Is it just? Is it just to punish the wife
[1:15:16] Speaker 2: for the crimes of her husband?
[1:15:18] Speaker 3: Oh? Probably not really now?
[1:15:20] Speaker 2: No, of course not. Now if in fact the crime,
[1:15:23] Speaker 2: let's say was adultery. Let's say he committed adultery and
[1:15:26] Speaker 2: then he covered it up, right, would it be? Would
[1:15:30] Speaker 2: it be okay to punish the wife for the adultery
[1:15:33] Speaker 2: of the husband?
[1:15:36] Speaker 9: No?
[1:15:36] Speaker 3: I don't think okay, someone's food. Did I commit the crime?
[1:15:39] Speaker 2: Because we think that would violate the definition.
[1:15:42] Speaker 3: Of justice right, which you are talking about accidents.
[1:15:46] Speaker 2: Or there he goes neither. So what I'm talking about
[1:15:49] Speaker 2: is going to be in Second Samuel, chapter twelve. Have
[1:15:55] Speaker 2: you read the story of David and Bethsheba. Sure so?
[1:16:03] Speaker 2: In chapter twelve, Nathan confronts David and provides the punishment
[1:16:07] Speaker 2: for committing adultruy with Bathsheba and then also having your
[1:16:12] Speaker 2: rayah killed. And there are two punishments. You probably remember
[1:16:15] Speaker 2: at least one of them. Do you remember either of them?
[1:16:19] Speaker 2: Can we get to the point, bro, so you don't
[1:16:23] Speaker 2: remember either. That's fine. So the one punishment that typically
[1:16:27] Speaker 2: is what people remember is that he has the son
[1:16:30] Speaker 2: of David killed. He makes the son sick, he dies
[1:16:34] Speaker 2: seven years later. The other punishment with most people forget
[1:16:38] Speaker 2: is that he has ten of David's wives raped by
[1:16:42] Speaker 2: a member of his own household. In fact, he tells
[1:16:45] Speaker 2: you that this is going to happen. In verse eleven,
[1:16:47] Speaker 2: he says, thus, say it, the Lord. I will raise
[1:16:49] Speaker 2: up trouble against you from within your own house, and
[1:16:52] Speaker 2: I will take your wives before your eyes and give
[1:16:54] Speaker 2: them to your neighbor. And you shall lie with your
[1:16:56] Speaker 2: wives in broad daylight. For you did it secretly, but
[1:16:59] Speaker 2: I would do this thing before all Israel in broad daylight.
[1:17:01] Speaker 2: And then he does a member of his own household.
[1:17:05] Speaker 2: Second Samuel twelve, Second Samuel, chapter twelve, verse eleven and twelve,
[1:17:13] Speaker 2: Oh God. And then if you fast forward to chapter sixteen,
[1:17:18] Speaker 2: the prophecy comes true. Absolom storms the palace, takes ten
[1:17:23] Speaker 2: of David's wives up to the top of the palace, and,
[1:17:27] Speaker 2: in a display of force over his father as he's
[1:17:30] Speaker 2: trying to usurp the throne, sexually assaults ten of his
[1:17:34] Speaker 2: wives in front of all Israel.
[1:17:37] Speaker 3: What's your question?
[1:17:39] Speaker 2: So my question was was it just that David's wives
[1:17:43] Speaker 2: got raped for the sin of David?
[1:17:47] Speaker 3: Well, you burst have to defy with justice.
[1:17:51] Speaker 2: We already did. We agreed that justice means you don't
[1:17:53] Speaker 2: get punished for crimes you didn't commit. So do you
[1:17:56] Speaker 2: want to change your definition? Do you think that justice
[1:17:59] Speaker 2: sometimes doesn't tale that you get punished for crimes you
[1:18:01] Speaker 2: never committed.
[1:18:03] Speaker 3: Wait, aren't we talking about morality here?
[1:18:05] Speaker 2: No, we're talking about justice. So do you think that
[1:18:07] Speaker 2: the word justice entails punishment for crimes that you never committed?
[1:18:15] Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, would you sure? Y'am?
[1:18:18] Speaker 2: Okay, So then what God did was unjust.
[1:18:23] Speaker 3: Not necessarily no, cauld get some contexts on the paragraph
[1:18:27] Speaker 3: before that.
[1:18:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, apparently you haven't read the punishment chapter. It's just Nathan.
[1:18:34] Speaker 2: Nathan comes to them, Nacid the to David. You are
[1:18:38] Speaker 2: the man thus Saith, the Lord God of Israel. I
[1:18:41] Speaker 2: anointed you king over Israel, and I rescued you from
[1:18:43] Speaker 2: the hand of Saul. I gave you your master's house
[1:18:46] Speaker 2: and your master's wives into your bosom, and gave you
[1:18:49] Speaker 2: the house of Israel and the House of Judah. And
[1:18:52] Speaker 2: if that had been too little, I would have added
[1:18:55] Speaker 2: much more. Why have you despised the word of the
[1:18:57] Speaker 2: Lord to do what is evil in his sight? You
[1:19:00] Speaker 2: have struck down your Ayah the hit Tite with the sword,
[1:19:02] Speaker 2: and have taken his wife to be your wife, and
[1:19:04] Speaker 2: have killed him with the sword of the Ammonites. Now,
[1:19:07] Speaker 2: therefore the sword shall never depart from your house, for
[1:19:11] Speaker 2: you have despised me and have taken the wife of
[1:19:13] Speaker 2: Uriah the hit Tight to be your wife. And then
[1:19:15] Speaker 2: the punishment, Thus saith the Lord, I will raise up
[1:19:18] Speaker 2: trouble against you from within your own house, and I
[1:19:21] Speaker 2: will take your wives before your eyes and give them
[1:19:23] Speaker 2: to your neighbors, so on and so forth.
[1:19:26] Speaker 3: Okay, So the punishment that.
[1:19:29] Speaker 2: David receives is akin to like a property tip for tap.
[1:19:36] Speaker 2: God says, looks, and you took your Eyah's wife, I'm
[1:19:38] Speaker 2: gonna have yours taken.
[1:19:42] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:19:44] Speaker 2: Do you think that was singed to the fair to
[1:19:46] Speaker 2: the women?
[1:19:48] Speaker 3: Well, the claana said that God is not just because
[1:19:50] Speaker 3: of David's wives or daughters.
[1:19:54] Speaker 2: I asked you about this specific instance. Was it just
[1:19:59] Speaker 2: that David had of God? Had ten of David's wives raped?
[1:20:04] Speaker 13: No?
[1:20:05] Speaker 3: I wouldn't say that that was just.
[1:20:06] Speaker 2: No, but okay, so then God might be just, but
[1:20:10] Speaker 2: he's not one just. Sometimes he does things that are unjust.
[1:20:14] Speaker 3: Well, he confronted David through Nathan, so what, and he
[1:20:18] Speaker 3: has forced the consequences of David.
[1:20:21] Speaker 2: But so what we're talking about the punishment where they
[1:20:24] Speaker 2: or not the punishment was just.
[1:20:26] Speaker 3: But when the verse of this say to God, where
[1:20:29] Speaker 3: did God say do this or this is allowed?
[1:20:32] Speaker 2: He says I'm doing it right. He says, I will
[1:20:35] Speaker 2: raise up trouble against you from within your own house,
[1:20:37] Speaker 2: and I will take your wives before your eyes and
[1:20:40] Speaker 2: give them to your neighbor. The eye is yeahweh, that's.
[1:20:46] Speaker 7: God doing it.
[1:20:48] Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, I'm not I want to they'll be just.
[1:20:52] Speaker 3: But I think that he is punishing on what's his name, Pavid.
[1:20:56] Speaker 2: The wives got raped, not David. Listen, if David got raped,
[1:21:00] Speaker 2: then maybe maybe yeah, maybe that's a just punishment. But
[1:21:03] Speaker 2: David didn't get raped. The wives did.
[1:21:06] Speaker 4: Well.
[1:21:06] Speaker 3: He's saying, well, yeah, but from that that context, he's
[1:21:09] Speaker 3: saying that David's wives he declined David's own action action.
[1:21:13] Speaker 2: Just to be clear, then you think sometimes it is
[1:21:16] Speaker 2: just to rape women for crimes they never committed.
[1:21:23] Speaker 3: Well that's not, that's not, that's the problem. You're you're
[1:21:25] Speaker 3: you're missing. You're saying that God's ordering the rape of
[1:21:27] Speaker 3: his women.
[1:21:28] Speaker 2: He did, he did. Yeah, yeah, well we'll read it again.
[1:21:32] Speaker 2: I know reading comprehension is hard for some people. But
[1:21:35] Speaker 2: God is the one causing it to happen, because this
[1:21:37] Speaker 2: is a punishment. Remember, punishments are caused by God. Here
[1:21:41] Speaker 2: because I will raise up trouble against you. That's that's
[1:21:44] Speaker 2: God saying, I'm going to cause the trouble, the trouble
[1:21:48] Speaker 2: that's coming. I'm causing it from within your own house.
[1:21:50] Speaker 2: And I will take your wives before your eyes and
[1:21:53] Speaker 2: give them to your neighbor. God's the one causing this
[1:21:55] Speaker 2: whole mess to happen.
[1:21:57] Speaker 3: Yeah, but where did they say that that specifically about
[1:22:00] Speaker 3: the great part? Where does we say that?
[1:22:03] Speaker 2: Because it happens in chapter sixteen, a member of his
[1:22:06] Speaker 2: own household puts him to the sword, takes ten of
[1:22:10] Speaker 2: David's wives to the top of the palace and sleeps
[1:22:12] Speaker 2: with them in broad daylight as a display of force
[1:22:14] Speaker 2: over his father. When when he's running for his life.
[1:22:17] Speaker 2: David's running for his life, so he doesn't get killed
[1:22:21] Speaker 2: by his own son, just as predicted.
[1:22:27] Speaker 3: I mean, the way I'm saying is likely. If anything,
[1:22:31] Speaker 3: he's warning him actually of it.
[1:22:33] Speaker 2: No warning him. He's saying, I'm causing it. But try
[1:22:38] Speaker 2: this again, Try, try this again. He says, I will
[1:22:41] Speaker 2: take your wives.
[1:22:42] Speaker 4: What does it?
[1:22:42] Speaker 2: What does it mean when God says I'm doing something?
[1:22:46] Speaker 2: Is he warning or is he causing by? Is he
[1:22:50] Speaker 2: warning or is he causing?
[1:22:53] Speaker 3: Well, he'd be taking that is he?
[1:22:56] Speaker 2: Is he warning them or is he causing it to happen?
[1:22:59] Speaker 3: Neither of them?
[1:23:01] Speaker 2: No, try again, I will I will is a statement
[1:23:06] Speaker 2: of causation.
[1:23:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm saying I'm gonna I would take.
[1:23:10] Speaker 2: You there you go, I I will take. Is is
[1:23:15] Speaker 2: God causing it to happen?
[1:23:17] Speaker 3: No, you're interpretating I would take too. You can You're
[1:23:20] Speaker 3: gonna get grave, They're gonna.
[1:23:23] Speaker 2: That's what that means. I will take that in No, No,
[1:23:27] Speaker 2: that's not my interpretation. That's what the book says. God
[1:23:30] Speaker 2: says I will take. What does it mean to take
[1:23:32] Speaker 2: another person's woman?
[1:23:35] Speaker 3: I mean, well, in this case it's God. So it's
[1:23:37] Speaker 3: like he's gonna, like, what'soul sleep with them?
[1:23:43] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[1:23:44] Speaker 2: Exactly. Yeah, when you take someone's woman, you're essentially kidnapping
[1:23:48] Speaker 2: them or taking them by force. You're that's what's happening.
[1:23:52] Speaker 2: But they're not they're not yours. They're not yours to take.
[1:23:56] Speaker 3: Like, can I you say a sentence and when you're done,
[1:23:59] Speaker 3: let me say a sentence.
[1:24:01] Speaker 2: It turns out I do. Let you say sentences. You
[1:24:03] Speaker 2: just want to cry every time I talk.
[1:24:06] Speaker 3: Well, let's let's not pretend you're totally like forgetting the
[1:24:09] Speaker 3: part where you think that you know what good is? Right.
[1:24:11] Speaker 2: Oh, I certainly, I certainly, I certainly do, which is
[1:24:15] Speaker 2: why you're running from it, right because you want to
[1:24:18] Speaker 2: do a really dumb prece up argument rather than read
[1:24:20] Speaker 2: the Bible. And that's boring for everyone here. We'd rather
[1:24:23] Speaker 2: hold your feet to the fire and see if you're
[1:24:25] Speaker 2: willing to affirm that having David's wife's raped is good.
[1:24:30] Speaker 3: Well, that's the problem. He's not endorsming the violence I.
[1:24:33] Speaker 5: Want to commit it.
[1:24:33] Speaker 2: He's causing it.
[1:24:34] Speaker 3: Literally, he's not endorsing it.
[1:24:37] Speaker 2: Try to say, he says, I will raise up trouble
[1:24:40] Speaker 2: against you from within your own house. What's the trouble
[1:24:45] Speaker 2: that's risen up against David within his own house? When
[1:24:47] Speaker 2: you fast forward in the story.
[1:24:49] Speaker 4: What is it.
[1:24:52] Speaker 3: Missing?
[1:24:53] Speaker 2: You didn't you didn't hear me because you didn't answer me.
[1:24:55] Speaker 2: What's the trouble?
[1:24:58] Speaker 3: Well, the trouble would be that David's getting punished, and
[1:25:01] Speaker 3: through this punishment he's saying.
[1:25:02] Speaker 2: That wrongs him. No, what's the trouble that rises within
[1:25:10] Speaker 2: his house? He tells you one verse prior. He says, Now, therefore,
[1:25:15] Speaker 2: the sword shall never depart from your house. He's talking.
[1:25:19] Speaker 2: He's talking about military violence. There will be violence within
[1:25:22] Speaker 2: your own house, and he says, I will raise up
[1:25:25] Speaker 2: trouble against you from within your own house. That trouble
[1:25:29] Speaker 2: is named Absalom. He's the one that rises up against
[1:25:33] Speaker 2: David and tries to take his throne.
[1:25:37] Speaker 3: Well wait, wait, wait a minute, are you are you
[1:25:39] Speaker 3: miss Are you disagreeing that David is something wrong?
[1:25:42] Speaker 2: No, I know David did something wrong. The wives didn't.
[1:25:47] Speaker 2: The wives didn't do it. That's what you're missing. I
[1:25:50] Speaker 2: know that like women don't mean anything to Christian men.
[1:25:54] Speaker 2: But as it turns out, I don't think even if
[1:25:56] Speaker 2: David did a horrible thing, that the women should get raped.
[1:26:02] Speaker 3: Oh, he didn't necessarily say that they should get grape.
[1:26:05] Speaker 2: He said that they they got raped.
[1:26:09] Speaker 3: Yes, don't want the Bible that God said.
[1:26:10] Speaker 2: That they got raped. God says, I'm causing it.
[1:26:14] Speaker 3: No, what he said that he's going to cause military
[1:26:16] Speaker 3: inconvenient he says.
[1:26:18] Speaker 2: He says, he's raising up the trouble and he's going
[1:26:22] Speaker 2: to cause the wives to be taken. What happens when
[1:26:25] Speaker 2: the wives are taken?
[1:26:27] Speaker 3: Well, sure are you?
[1:26:31] Speaker 2: It's crazy. The cognitive dissonance is still so thick here
[1:26:35] Speaker 2: you can literally cut it with like with a popsicle stick.
[1:26:38] Speaker 2: Is wild. What what happened? What happened when the wives
[1:26:42] Speaker 2: were taken? What happened?
[1:26:45] Speaker 3: Yeah, I understand that they got they got in door,
[1:26:47] Speaker 3: introduce things that they.
[1:26:49] Speaker 5: Were that's right.
[1:26:50] Speaker 2: And did God say he's causing that.
[1:26:54] Speaker 3: Well he got he caused. Sure, technically he caused.
[1:26:58] Speaker 2: The Okay, so God caused the wives to be taken
[1:27:03] Speaker 2: and raped.
[1:27:06] Speaker 3: No, you're adding a great part.
[1:27:07] Speaker 2: No where state God, Yeah it is, I will take
[1:27:11] Speaker 2: your wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbors.
[1:27:13] Speaker 2: So he took the women and gave them to the
[1:27:18] Speaker 2: man who raped them. That's God saying I'm doing this.
[1:27:24] Speaker 2: I'm taking these women and giving them to this guy.
[1:27:28] Speaker 2: And then he raped them. That's God doing it. You
[1:27:31] Speaker 2: can cry all you want about your lack of reading comprehension,
[1:27:34] Speaker 2: but that's what the text says. Without lies, Christianity dies.
[1:27:38] Speaker 2: That's what we say around here. Isn't lying a sin?
[1:27:46] Speaker 3: Consequences don't affect your family.
[1:27:49] Speaker 9: No.
[1:27:49] Speaker 2: What I'm claiming is that consequences are not the same
[1:27:52] Speaker 2: as punishments. Punishments are decided upon. So this was a punishment,
[1:27:58] Speaker 2: not an inevitable consequence. An inevitable consequence would be like
[1:28:02] Speaker 2: if I committed a heinous crime and then I went
[1:28:05] Speaker 2: to prison, the consequence would be that my son would
[1:28:08] Speaker 2: be fatherless. That's an uncontrollable consequence. That's different from from
[1:28:12] Speaker 2: a punishment. The punishment is what the judge does. The
[1:28:16] Speaker 2: judge says, because you did this, I'm doing that. The
[1:28:20] Speaker 2: judge has control over the punishment, not the unintended consequence.
[1:28:25] Speaker 2: What we find in Second Samuel twelve is a punishment
[1:28:28] Speaker 2: that God had full control over. No one forced his hand.
[1:28:35] Speaker 3: Okay, well, I mean the Bible didn't really command anyone
[1:28:39] Speaker 3: to bring David's bed bro.
[1:28:43] Speaker 2: That does okay, So not only not only does it
[1:28:46] Speaker 2: command people to rape others, this is a clear instance
[1:28:49] Speaker 2: where God directly says He's causing it.
[1:28:54] Speaker 3: Well, what we were And Samuel's second twelve through eleven says,
[1:29:00] Speaker 3: word when you kept through uh commenting on raised trouble? Uh,
[1:29:05] Speaker 3: we were raised trouble against David? Would you piss do that?
[1:29:11] Speaker 3: As a prophet.
[1:29:13] Speaker 2: It is a prophecy and a punishment. It's a punishment
[1:29:17] Speaker 2: for what happened to David. Just like in the the
[1:29:20] Speaker 2: next paragraph after this, he also says that the child
[1:29:24] Speaker 2: is going to die.
[1:29:28] Speaker 3: Okay, So, but which one is doing this?
[1:29:29] Speaker 5: No?
[1:29:30] Speaker 3: Is it God doing this?
[1:29:31] Speaker 2: Or that God is doing it? God's doing it?
[1:29:35] Speaker 4: God?
[1:29:36] Speaker 2: Yes, God is causing it to happen. God causes human
[1:29:40] Speaker 2: beings to do all kinds of shit in the Bible.
[1:29:42] Speaker 2: Have you not read Joshua? Have you not read Exodus
[1:29:47] Speaker 2: in Joshua. In Joshua eleven, who hardens the hearts of
[1:29:50] Speaker 2: the Canaanites to cause them to come out the war?
[1:29:53] Speaker 3: Wait, wait a minute, in.
[1:29:54] Speaker 2: Joshua eleven, who hardens the heart of the Canaanites to
[1:29:57] Speaker 2: cause them to come out the war?
[1:30:01] Speaker 3: I mean sure, God?
[1:30:02] Speaker 2: Okay, So can God do things to affect a person's will? No?
[1:30:10] Speaker 2: God cannot change Oh, Oh, you're definitely wrong then, so
[1:30:14] Speaker 2: we'll just read the passage since you're not honest. It
[1:30:17] Speaker 2: says there was no town that made peace with the
[1:30:19] Speaker 2: Israelites except the high Bites. The inhabitants of Gibeon. All
[1:30:23] Speaker 2: were taken in battle, for it was the Lord's doing
[1:30:26] Speaker 2: to harden their hearts so that they would come against
[1:30:30] Speaker 2: Israel in battle. So God hardened the hearts of people
[1:30:34] Speaker 2: to cause them to come out to battle. That's tampering
[1:30:38] Speaker 2: with free will do it though, Yeah, he did. He
[1:30:45] Speaker 2: hardened their hearts and caused them to come out the war.
[1:30:48] Speaker 2: That's how causation works God. When God says I'm causing
[1:30:52] Speaker 2: it to happen, that means He's causing it to happen.
[1:30:57] Speaker 3: What about jobs as family?
[1:30:59] Speaker 10: Right?
[1:30:59] Speaker 2: What about job? I'm not talking about job. There's no
[1:31:02] Speaker 2: there's no there's no there's no rape in job.
[1:31:06] Speaker 9: No.
[1:31:07] Speaker 3: But it's the same logic, right, you have procester consistent life.
[1:31:11] Speaker 3: Joke's family. Job still came to God.
[1:31:14] Speaker 4: Listen.
[1:31:14] Speaker 2: I have literally no idea what your point is with job?
[1:31:17] Speaker 2: And job is another horrific story where God has people
[1:31:20] Speaker 2: senselessly killed who didn't commit a crime that they're murdered
[1:31:25] Speaker 2: so God could settle a bet with the enemy that
[1:31:28] Speaker 2: he created that he has the power to destroy and
[1:31:32] Speaker 2: chooses not to.
[1:31:34] Speaker 3: Well, sure, can it be good with that evil?
[1:31:36] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[1:31:38] Speaker 3: Explain that what's the difference between good?
[1:31:40] Speaker 2: Was God good before he created Satan?
[1:31:45] Speaker 3: Was God good before? Like I said your keep?
[1:31:48] Speaker 2: Was God good before he created Satan?
[1:31:51] Speaker 1: Yes?
[1:31:51] Speaker 14: Or no?
[1:31:52] Speaker 3: Do you know what God? Do you know what?
[1:31:53] Speaker 9: Like?
[1:31:54] Speaker 2: Was God good before he created Satan? Yes?
[1:31:56] Speaker 4: Or no?
[1:31:58] Speaker 3: Let's try Arabic?
[1:32:00] Speaker 2: Is God good? Is God good before he created satanis?
[1:32:04] Speaker 4: Or no?
[1:32:05] Speaker 6: No?
[1:32:05] Speaker 3: God's just.
[1:32:07] Speaker 2: So so so again you don't think that God is good?
[1:32:11] Speaker 2: So then we agree, Well show me.
[1:32:13] Speaker 3: One Bible verse by himself says I am good.
[1:32:16] Speaker 2: I don't need to I again, you're the one that
[1:32:18] Speaker 2: said he was good.
[1:32:21] Speaker 3: Oh my God, what an idiot? I objectively didn't say that.
[1:32:25] Speaker 2: Wow, you did.
[1:32:25] Speaker 3: Actually embarrassing when.
[1:32:28] Speaker 2: Literally, just like thirty seconds ago. Also one verse five
[1:32:34] Speaker 2: says God is good.
[1:32:36] Speaker 3: No, where God himself says I am good.
[1:32:38] Speaker 2: For the love of God, dude, listen Psalm one hundred,
[1:32:41] Speaker 2: verse five, Yeah, go ahead, God, it says that, it
[1:32:44] Speaker 2: says that, it says that God is good and just
[1:32:47] Speaker 2: to be clear. Just to be clear, Jesus says that
[1:32:51] Speaker 2: the Father is good.
[1:32:53] Speaker 3: Yeah, give me the verse.
[1:32:54] Speaker 2: Jesus says, no one is good except for the Father.
[1:33:00] Speaker 9: Do you know of it?
[1:33:01] Speaker 2: When the rich young ruler, when the rich young when
[1:33:04] Speaker 2: a rich young ruler comes, that's what he says to him.
[1:33:08] Speaker 2: He says, good teacher, and he says, no one is
[1:33:10] Speaker 2: good except for the Father.
[1:33:12] Speaker 3: Okay, So if no one is good except for the Father,
[1:33:14] Speaker 3: is father speaking?
[1:33:16] Speaker 2: It's Jesus speaking. I'm sorry. Do you think that Jesus' words?
[1:33:20] Speaker 2: Do you think Jesus's words are authoritative or not?
[1:33:25] Speaker 3: Sure?
[1:33:26] Speaker 2: Okay, Well, Jesus said the Father is good. Jesus said
[1:33:29] Speaker 2: to him, why do you call me good? No one
[1:33:30] Speaker 2: is good but God alone. So according to your own religion,
[1:33:34] Speaker 2: God is in fact good. Congratulations, you have again failed
[1:33:38] Speaker 2: to read your own book. This is why Christians looks.
[1:33:42] Speaker 2: This is why Christians look like clowns when they come
[1:33:44] Speaker 2: on my live stream. They make dumb claims about the
[1:33:47] Speaker 2: book that they've never read.
[1:33:50] Speaker 3: Says the guy who's running away from an actual syllogism
[1:33:52] Speaker 3: or what good he is?
[1:33:54] Speaker 2: I don't need to we're talking about your We're talking
[1:33:57] Speaker 2: about your definition of good, and what we've demonstrated is
[1:33:59] Speaker 2: that you've got contradictions within your own definition of good,
[1:34:02] Speaker 2: which is why I always start out by asking you
[1:34:05] Speaker 2: really easy questions about what you think is good, and
[1:34:09] Speaker 2: then I watch you walk it back as we start
[1:34:12] Speaker 2: reading the Bible. It's the funnest thing. I don't even
[1:34:14] Speaker 2: have to make claims about good. I listen, I'm not
[1:34:17] Speaker 2: making claims about objectively good. My claim, as my claim
[1:34:23] Speaker 2: always is that until you can prove that objective morals exist,
[1:34:27] Speaker 2: good is subjective and that's all you have. And you'll
[1:34:30] Speaker 2: they don't exist. They certainly don't. They certainly don't. They
[1:34:35] Speaker 2: certainly don't exist. Prove it, Prove they exist. Prove they exist,
[1:34:41] Speaker 2: Prove they exist, prove the exist. Okay, so you can't
[1:34:45] Speaker 2: prove it. Just be clear. You can't prove that. You
[1:34:48] Speaker 2: just you can't prove that objective morals exist. I'm sorry.
[1:34:54] Speaker 2: Can you prove that objective morals exist?
[1:34:56] Speaker 9: Yes?
[1:34:56] Speaker 11: Or no?
[1:34:57] Speaker 3: One more time? Can you prove dream yesterday?
[1:34:59] Speaker 2: Run Run away from the question. If you're a coward,
[1:35:01] Speaker 2: run away from the question. If you're a coward, Run
[1:35:03] Speaker 2: away from the question. If you're a coward, let's get
[1:35:06] Speaker 2: the dodge counter open. We'll get the We're gonna get
[1:35:08] Speaker 2: the dodge counter up. It's crazy because all he has
[1:35:10] Speaker 2: to do is say yes or no. You can, you
[1:35:13] Speaker 2: can cry all you want that. I'm gonna I'm gonna
[1:35:16] Speaker 2: hold you accountable for the words that leave your mouth.
[1:35:19] Speaker 2: We're on dodge number two, number two. Can you demonstrate
[1:35:23] Speaker 2: that morals are objective? A dodge number three? Oh you can, Okay,
[1:35:30] Speaker 2: let's do it. Give me the argument, Give me the argument.
[1:35:34] Speaker 2: Also read classis three eighteen? What's the clustions? Three eighteen?
[1:35:37] Speaker 3: Saying I don't know can read?
[1:35:41] Speaker 2: I know you haven't read the book. Do you think
[1:35:43] Speaker 2: when when I read classons three eighteen that it's gonna
[1:35:45] Speaker 2: look good? Good on?
[1:35:46] Speaker 3: You go ahead laying me well, you don't know what
[1:35:50] Speaker 3: good is?
[1:35:51] Speaker 2: You got you pretending to already told you good? Good
[1:35:55] Speaker 2: is subjective until you can prove otherwise. Fautions to eighteen.
[1:36:00] Speaker 2: So do not let anyone disqualify you insisting on self abasement.
[1:36:05] Speaker 2: It's the right fucking verse. Maybe two twelve.
[1:36:09] Speaker 3: If it's subjective and there's nothing that you're saying is wrong.
[1:36:11] Speaker 2: You don Yeah, subjective morals still exist. They're just not objective.
[1:36:17] Speaker 2: Just like your favorite color is still your favorite color.
[1:36:20] Speaker 2: It's not an objective favorite color, is it? Therefore, as
[1:36:23] Speaker 2: God's chosen ones, Holy and beloved, clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, meekness,
[1:36:28] Speaker 2: and patience. Do you think you've done that today? PhD?
[1:36:34] Speaker 2: Do you think do you think this is this is
[1:36:36] Speaker 2: reminiscent of your behavior right now? Do you think the
[1:36:40] Speaker 2: fruits of the spirit are pouring out to you?
[1:36:43] Speaker 3: Or be subjective?
[1:36:44] Speaker 2: Like you said, I don't know what what do you what?
[1:36:46] Speaker 9: Do you think?
[1:36:46] Speaker 2: What do you think humility and meeknesses? Do you think
[1:36:49] Speaker 2: that it's humility or do you think it's humble and
[1:36:52] Speaker 2: meek to call people donuts?
[1:36:56] Speaker 3: What do you know what donut stands for?
[1:36:58] Speaker 2: So you're not going to answer the question. Do you
[1:36:59] Speaker 2: think that it's humble and meek to call people names
[1:37:02] Speaker 2: that disagree with you? So you're not going to answer
[1:37:05] Speaker 2: the question. Do you think that it's humble and meek
[1:37:07] Speaker 2: to call people names? It's not a name, okay, So
[1:37:11] Speaker 2: then you're just not going to answer the question. It's okay.
[1:37:13] Speaker 2: We're used to we're used to cowards being up. You're
[1:37:15] Speaker 2: not answering questions. It's fine.
[1:37:17] Speaker 3: Was interrupting me every seconds, subjects and.
[1:37:21] Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, well listen, you're you're a waste of space.
[1:37:24] Speaker 2: And you've already affirmed that it's okay that David's wives
[1:37:28] Speaker 2: were raped for his sin. You tried to get away
[1:37:31] Speaker 2: from it for a while. It didn't work, but hea'se.
[1:37:33] Speaker 2: It's not getting away from it. You just lied on
[1:37:35] Speaker 2: the passage. But good luck in life. I hope you
[1:37:38] Speaker 2: go far. Okay, let's see what was his name? PhD?
[1:37:46] Speaker 5: Fuck?
[1:37:46] Speaker 2: What was his PhD free? Yeah, he's he needs to
[1:37:50] Speaker 2: change his name to education free.
[1:37:55] Speaker 10: Mmmm.
[1:38:02] Speaker 2: I don't know if we could we clip that video
[1:38:05] Speaker 2: for later? Friends, put it yes in the in the
[1:38:08] Speaker 2: chat if you think we should clip that and post
[1:38:10] Speaker 2: that later. Sometimes I don't know what is a good
[1:38:15] Speaker 2: clip and what is not a good clip. Everyone says, yeah, okay,
[1:38:19] Speaker 2: looks like it's getting clipped. All right, it'll be. It'll
[1:38:21] Speaker 2: be on the list later. Thank you for the input.
[1:38:23] Speaker 2: I appreciate that. Not the Bible Jason, thank you so
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[1:39:44] Speaker 2: sense with your name now your screen name but anyways,
[1:39:48] Speaker 2: happy holidays to you, my friend. I hope they're great.
[1:39:52] Speaker 2: I'm going to be uh, I've got to be good
[1:39:55] Speaker 2: the next three weeks so that I can eat my
[1:39:58] Speaker 2: body weight in like fudge and brownies and Christmas cookies
[1:40:02] Speaker 2: and things like that, because let's be honest, it's not
[1:40:05] Speaker 2: Christmas until you vi in an entire carton of cookies.
[1:40:08] Speaker 2: That's just me personally, That's just that's my my thing.
[1:40:12] Speaker 2: You don't have to do that, but that's where I'm at.
[1:40:14] Speaker 2: And Carnage, great to see you. Thank you so much
[1:40:16] Speaker 2: for the super chat that if you were a bit
[1:40:18] Speaker 2: more jesus y, what would your body and what would
[1:40:22] Speaker 2: be your body and blood? Mine would be a hot
[1:40:24] Speaker 2: cheeto if and crisp hardsider, respectively. I think for me
[1:40:29] Speaker 2: it would probably be my blood might be kracking it.
[1:40:34] Speaker 2: It's got a little fire to it, but it's also
[1:40:37] Speaker 2: a little bit sweet as well. That that would be
[1:40:39] Speaker 2: my blood. The body, though, is a tough one. If
[1:40:42] Speaker 2: I'm going to pick a body, I'm thinking, hmm, what
[1:40:47] Speaker 2: what what should we have people take as Justin's body
[1:40:51] Speaker 2: for communion? That is a tough one. How about those uh,
[1:40:58] Speaker 2: those butter cookies that nobody likes, but everyone saves the tin.
[1:41:02] Speaker 4: Four.
[1:41:02] Speaker 2: I think that's a good metaphor for my body. Just
[1:41:04] Speaker 2: plain white and pasty, nothing really interesting going on, but
[1:41:08] Speaker 2: you'll at least keep the tin for later to remember
[1:41:11] Speaker 2: the experience. I think that's a pretty good one. So
[1:41:13] Speaker 2: we're doing butter cookies and Kraken. I think you can
[1:41:16] Speaker 2: have them together, and they're a pretty good treat. Good question, though,
[1:41:19] Speaker 2: I like that question. All right, let's get let's get
[1:41:23] Speaker 2: our next guest in here. We're gonna get Zenobi and
[1:41:28] Speaker 2: then Loupan in that order. Friends, welcome in Zenobi. Are
[1:41:41] Speaker 2: at least eighteen? And do you believe in God? Zenobi?
[1:41:53] Speaker 2: Did you request by accident?
[1:41:55] Speaker 14: Zenobi?
[1:41:58] Speaker 2: Do you know you're on a livestream right now? Say nothing?
[1:42:04] Speaker 2: If you're requested by accident? Can you hear me?
[1:42:07] Speaker 5: Okay?
[1:42:07] Speaker 2: I can hear you now. Yeah.
[1:42:10] Speaker 4: Sorry, I don't know why it put me up here.
[1:42:12] Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha, no problems. I'll drive you down. Take care.
[1:42:16] Speaker 2: Thanks for watching, and w for watching. I'll tell you what.
[1:42:24] Speaker 2: Fara Day is not giving up, not today. At least.
[1:42:29] Speaker 2: Faraday is determined to find a nipple on my neck.
[1:42:32] Speaker 2: Fair Day buddy, you're not You're never gonna find one.
[1:42:34] Speaker 2: It's not gonna happen. I'm not your mama. I'm just listen.
[1:42:39] Speaker 2: I wish I could help you, but I can't. Welcome
[1:42:44] Speaker 2: and lupin. Are you at least eighteen? And do you
[1:42:46] Speaker 2: believe in God?
[1:42:49] Speaker 4: Yes?
[1:42:50] Speaker 5: And yes?
[1:42:51] Speaker 4: Okay?
[1:42:51] Speaker 2: And which God do you believe in?
[1:42:55] Speaker 4: I grew up Baptist, so I guess the Christian God?
[1:43:00] Speaker 2: Okay, So you're a Christian? You don'msund too confident in that?
[1:43:07] Speaker 7: Yeah, I don't know.
[1:43:08] Speaker 4: I uh yeah, yes, yes, okay, we'll go with that.
[1:43:15] Speaker 2: So you you might believe in the Christian God. Do
[1:43:18] Speaker 2: you believe in Hell?
[1:43:21] Speaker 11: Um?
[1:43:23] Speaker 4: Yes?
[1:43:25] Speaker 9: Okay?
[1:43:25] Speaker 2: Who goes to Hell in your worldview?
[1:43:29] Speaker 4: I guess people who God deems worthy for hell?
[1:43:36] Speaker 2: What about non believers?
[1:43:42] Speaker 4: Mm hmmm, I'm not tuning sure. What does What does
[1:43:48] Speaker 4: the Bible say about that? I think the Bible says
[1:43:50] Speaker 4: that like the the non believers would go to Hell
[1:43:53] Speaker 4: as well, right.
[1:43:54] Speaker 2: They go to the Lake of fire. According Revelation twenty one,
[1:43:57] Speaker 2: yep a Revelation twenty cowardly, the unbelieving the polluted the
[1:44:02] Speaker 2: murderers is sexually immoral. So according to the book I
[1:44:07] Speaker 2: go to hell just because I don't believe? Is that
[1:44:11] Speaker 2: your right?
[1:44:13] Speaker 4: And that's based off of.
[1:44:17] Speaker 7: Just God.
[1:44:20] Speaker 4: Saying that I gave you free will, I gave you judgment,
[1:44:23] Speaker 4: I gave you this this amazing brain and mind, and
[1:44:31] Speaker 4: you can basically like come to the conclusion that someone created.
[1:44:35] Speaker 2: You or like, how does what if I came to
[1:44:39] Speaker 2: the conclusion that then in fact, Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva
[1:44:42] Speaker 2: are are my creators. Coming to the conclusion that there's
[1:44:48] Speaker 2: a God is irrelevant to whether or not you go
[1:44:49] Speaker 2: to hell. You have to believe in a very specific God,
[1:44:53] Speaker 2: and not just a specific God, a specific variant of
[1:44:57] Speaker 2: that God. Like you don't think Muslims are going to heaven?
[1:44:59] Speaker 4: Do you? If they believe in God? I think they will. Yeah,
[1:45:10] Speaker 4: if they have you know that your soul.
[1:45:12] Speaker 2: And Jesus says that no one comes to the Father
[1:45:15] Speaker 2: except through him, and that you have to believe in
[1:45:19] Speaker 2: Him in order to go to heaven. Like that, that's
[1:45:22] Speaker 2: the whole crux of the faith is if if you
[1:45:23] Speaker 2: don't believe in Jesus like Romans ten nine and ten,
[1:45:26] Speaker 2: because if you confess with your mouth and believe in
[1:45:27] Speaker 2: your heart that Jesus Christ is Lord and that he
[1:45:29] Speaker 2: was raised from the dead and diavery sins and all
[1:45:31] Speaker 2: that that's how you get to heaven. You have to
[1:45:34] Speaker 2: believe it.
[1:45:35] Speaker 4: Yeah, well, I think that like people are being judged
[1:45:38] Speaker 4: according to the truth and like moral light they actually
[1:45:44] Speaker 4: had not in like the religion they believed in. I
[1:45:47] Speaker 4: don't think that's essential.
[1:45:48] Speaker 2: Well, that can't be the case because Jesus says that
[1:45:51] Speaker 2: that you can't go to heaven nless you're born of
[1:45:54] Speaker 2: the water and the spirit, meaning born again. You got
[1:45:57] Speaker 2: to be a borning in Engristian John chapter four, Right,
[1:46:02] Speaker 2: John four, doesn't he say that?
[1:46:04] Speaker 5: Is it?
[1:46:04] Speaker 2: John four? Chat, I'm pretty sure it's John four.
[1:46:09] Speaker 4: I'm exidly sure. I I know that I'm definitely not
[1:46:12] Speaker 4: as good as you are with with the with the Bible.
[1:46:16] Speaker 4: And I get it. I get it you would say
[1:46:18] Speaker 4: that like you'd say that that's like my book and whatever.
[1:46:20] Speaker 4: But I know that there is like a verse that says, like,
[1:46:26] Speaker 4: let me see if I can't remember like two to
[1:46:30] Speaker 4: whom which is given much is required.
[1:46:36] Speaker 2: John three. John three, guys, uh, yeah, I agree. But again,
[1:46:40] Speaker 2: because I have a brain, I've I've decided that this
[1:46:44] Speaker 2: God isn't real because I have a brain. Right, So
[1:46:47] Speaker 2: the fact that I have a brain isn't doesn't really
[1:46:50] Speaker 2: do anything for the fact that God's gonna torture me
[1:46:52] Speaker 2: for all eternity and hell fire. Like I didn't. I
[1:46:56] Speaker 2: didn't choose to believe this, Like, you can't choose to
[1:46:59] Speaker 2: believe something. You either believe it or you don't. Like,
[1:47:01] Speaker 2: did you choose to not believe in Brama?
[1:47:07] Speaker 4: M I guess so, I guess I chose not to
[1:47:11] Speaker 4: believe in Brama. I don't even know who Brahma has
[1:47:13] Speaker 4: to be honest.
[1:47:14] Speaker 2: But you didn't choose not believe in Brama. You just don't.
[1:47:19] Speaker 2: You don't you don't believe in Brama, right.
[1:47:21] Speaker 4: I guess I said that with the with the idea
[1:47:25] Speaker 4: behind that. Like I was born a Christian, and so
[1:47:30] Speaker 4: when I grew up and I could make the decisions
[1:47:32] Speaker 4: for myself, I guess I chose to keep believing. I
[1:47:35] Speaker 4: guess that's why I answered it that way.
[1:47:38] Speaker 2: I mean, you still you chose to act in accordance
[1:47:41] Speaker 2: with what you believe, right, And that's what most people do. Right,
[1:47:44] Speaker 2: most people already believe that Christianity is true, and then
[1:47:47] Speaker 2: when they get to a particular age, they they take
[1:47:50] Speaker 2: a step to live in accordance with that belief, But
[1:47:54] Speaker 2: like they didn't flip a switch and start believing typically.
[1:47:58] Speaker 4: Right, right, right, but to go back to like going
[1:48:02] Speaker 4: to hell. Well, don't you think that, Like people go
[1:48:05] Speaker 4: to hell not for not knowing God, but for like
[1:48:09] Speaker 4: deciding freely and persistently to reject goodness, truth, love, No, Like,
[1:48:17] Speaker 4: I feel like Hell is chosen, and it's not like.
[1:48:21] Speaker 5: I didn't.
[1:48:22] Speaker 2: I didn't choose Hell. How do you to be clear,
[1:48:26] Speaker 2: I did not choose Hell. I didn't I didn't wake
[1:48:30] Speaker 2: up in the morning one day and said I want
[1:48:32] Speaker 2: to go to Hell. The fact that I don't believe
[1:48:35] Speaker 2: in this sky carcass has nothing to do with my choice.
[1:48:39] Speaker 2: But it's also it's it's kind of a horrific setup too,
[1:48:45] Speaker 2: because you don't have free will. By the way, Like
[1:48:48] Speaker 2: so for example, I don't know if you have a sister,
[1:48:50] Speaker 2: But if I came to your sister and said, listen,
[1:48:52] Speaker 2: I want to take you on the best day of
[1:48:53] Speaker 2: your life. It's going to be amazing. We'll have we'll
[1:48:56] Speaker 2: have you know, we'll go to the lake, we'll go
[1:49:00] Speaker 2: the restaurant in the lake and have you know fresh
[1:49:02] Speaker 2: caught fish and lobster and all that nonsense. But if
[1:49:05] Speaker 2: you don't want to go out with me, I will
[1:49:07] Speaker 2: have to lock you in my basement and light it
[1:49:08] Speaker 2: on fire. Am I a good person?
[1:49:11] Speaker 4: That does not sound like free will?
[1:49:12] Speaker 2: No, But that's not free will, right, that's like coercion
[1:49:16] Speaker 2: at the nicest right. So the fact that he commands
[1:49:19] Speaker 2: you to love him with the threat of lighting you
[1:49:21] Speaker 2: on fire forever means that it's not a free will choice.
[1:49:24] Speaker 2: It's an ultimatum. You will love me or I'll torch you,
[1:49:27] Speaker 2: which is in love.
[1:49:33] Speaker 4: I honestly do not know how to how to argue
[1:49:39] Speaker 4: that point.
[1:49:42] Speaker 2: Listen, the first time I heard it, I had the
[1:49:43] Speaker 2: same response as a fuck, that is a problem. It's
[1:49:47] Speaker 2: okay to admit it, you know, let's talk about it.
[1:49:55] Speaker 2: Let's talk of a few other things as well. But
[1:50:00] Speaker 2: I don't want to get like super super into the Bible,
[1:50:03] Speaker 2: because it sounds like you might be mouldable, like you
[1:50:07] Speaker 2: are amenable to not being an an errentist, and that's fine.
[1:50:12] Speaker 4: So like, no, I'm willing. I'm definitely willing to listen.
[1:50:15] Speaker 4: Like I noticed, like there is a there's a thing
[1:50:18] Speaker 4: that you do. You're like, oh, I'm like, I'm cooking
[1:50:20] Speaker 4: this guy. I'm like cooking that guy, and like, I
[1:50:23] Speaker 4: get it. You're like well versed and like you studied,
[1:50:27] Speaker 4: but probably a hundred times more than me.
[1:50:30] Speaker 2: I only cook assholes and you're being nice.
[1:50:35] Speaker 4: But yeah, I'm not. I'm not looking for a cookout.
[1:50:37] Speaker 4: I'm genuinely like looking for a conversation or a discussion.
[1:50:41] Speaker 4: If if like, if you're okay with.
[1:50:43] Speaker 2: That, no, no, listen again, I'm with you. Like, if
[1:50:46] Speaker 2: I get a nice guest, I treat them nicely. If
[1:50:48] Speaker 2: I get an asshole, I treat them like an asshole.
[1:50:50] Speaker 2: So let's talk about like a couple of interesting concepts.
[1:50:54] Speaker 2: I think Hell is one problem. I know a lot
[1:50:56] Speaker 2: of people that deconverted because of the issue of Hell.
[1:50:58] Speaker 2: I think another problem is the fact that he has
[1:51:02] Speaker 2: like natural disasters in the world. Right, So, for example,
[1:51:06] Speaker 2: the Christian response to natural disasters is, well, he created
[1:51:10] Speaker 2: the world of aunt them. Then when Adam and Eves sinned,
[1:51:12] Speaker 2: you know, the earth got cursed. Right, But that being said,
[1:51:16] Speaker 2: like God wasn't obligated to curse the earth after the sin, right.
[1:51:28] Speaker 4: I guess not. I guess he could have made a
[1:51:31] Speaker 4: different decision, yes, but right exactly, didn't he set rules
[1:51:37] Speaker 4: in the first place, warning them that that's exactly what's
[1:51:41] Speaker 4: going to happen.
[1:51:42] Speaker 2: No, no, no, The only warning will the only warning. Well,
[1:51:45] Speaker 2: I don't think they had free will, but that's another story.
[1:51:48] Speaker 2: The only warning they were given was that in the
[1:51:50] Speaker 2: day that you eat of it, you'll die. So they
[1:51:53] Speaker 2: weren't told that, hey, if you eat this fruit, I'm
[1:51:55] Speaker 2: going to create natural disasters that will kill, you know,
[1:51:58] Speaker 2: one hundred thousand people a year randomly for the rest
[1:52:01] Speaker 2: of eternity.
[1:52:01] Speaker 9: You know.
[1:52:03] Speaker 4: Okay. Only one thing that I can think of when
[1:52:06] Speaker 4: you're saying that is that like God now created the
[1:52:10] Speaker 4: possibility of death. Like before them eating the apple, there
[1:52:16] Speaker 4: was no possibility or death. There were just heaven, them
[1:52:19] Speaker 4: with God and eternity, right, and now because they ate
[1:52:25] Speaker 4: the apple and they broke that rule, now they have
[1:52:28] Speaker 4: this possibility, not possibility, but like outcome of death.
[1:52:35] Speaker 2: I mean, that's a typical reading of the passage. But
[1:52:41] Speaker 2: that's not what I'm questioning. What I'm questioning is why
[1:52:45] Speaker 2: natural disasters, because in natural disasters you don't always die.
[1:52:51] Speaker 2: Like there's a lot of people that get maimed for life,
[1:52:54] Speaker 2: they get vegetableized. There are babies that die in natural disasters.
[1:52:59] Speaker 2: I fail to see how a response to Adam and
[1:53:02] Speaker 2: eve Sin should entail murdering babies and maiming people and
[1:53:09] Speaker 2: vegetablizing people for life.
[1:53:14] Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
[1:53:20] Speaker 9: I don't know.
[1:53:20] Speaker 4: I feel like he decided to create the balance in
[1:53:25] Speaker 4: a way.
[1:53:27] Speaker 2: What do you mean by balance balance of what? Like
[1:53:30] Speaker 2: balance of good guy versus asshole? Like what are we
[1:53:32] Speaker 2: talking about?
[1:53:34] Speaker 4: Mm hmm. I think like difficulty and pain and suffering
[1:53:40] Speaker 4: does add to our like soul where like consciousness because
[1:53:47] Speaker 4: I think, well, I don't know, because like if you
[1:53:50] Speaker 4: had this bliss of a world, then you wouldn't have
[1:53:55] Speaker 4: the full experience and the full range of and I
[1:53:59] Speaker 4: know you disagree with like free will, but you wouldn't
[1:54:02] Speaker 4: have that complex soul that we have now.
[1:54:06] Speaker 2: But we don't need it. Remember, babies are dying in
[1:54:09] Speaker 2: natural disasters too. There's no complexity of the soul. There's
[1:54:13] Speaker 2: no soul building with babies dying.
[1:54:22] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's a difficult topic. Maybe not in a sense
[1:54:25] Speaker 4: of like the immediate thing, but like I feel like
[1:54:28] Speaker 4: the overall suffering brings people closer to God and love,
[1:54:37] Speaker 4: and it's sort of like fuels the positive, Like I
[1:54:40] Speaker 4: feel like the negatives fuel the positives.
[1:54:43] Speaker 2: Oh, I don't think so. So for example, I never
[1:54:46] Speaker 2: needed to experience cancer to know that it's a motherfucker
[1:54:50] Speaker 2: and I'm happy that I don't have it. I never
[1:54:52] Speaker 2: had to be buried in the volcano to know that
[1:54:55] Speaker 2: I don't want to be buried in a volcano. Right, So,
[1:54:58] Speaker 2: like some amount of stuff could in fact be good
[1:55:02] Speaker 2: for you, I'm not even sure that it's necessary though,
[1:55:05] Speaker 2: So like, for example, the vast majority of human beings
[1:55:10] Speaker 2: that will be in heaven are in fact going to
[1:55:12] Speaker 2: be dead babies. There are more dead babies that have
[1:55:15] Speaker 2: ever been on the Earth than any other soul ever,
[1:55:18] Speaker 2: which means the vast majority of Heaven is literally made
[1:55:21] Speaker 2: up of just dead baby souls who have never done
[1:55:23] Speaker 2: any soul building. Right, So, what a weird system to
[1:55:27] Speaker 2: think that soul building is so important that we need
[1:55:30] Speaker 2: to make people suffer. But also, the vast majority of
[1:55:33] Speaker 2: people here actually never had to suffer.
[1:55:37] Speaker 4: Right, You'll just have a bunch of babies running around, right.
[1:55:43] Speaker 4: If you make it there, you'll be tripping all the
[1:55:44] Speaker 4: time on babies.
[1:55:46] Speaker 2: I think it also misses the scale of suffering. So
[1:55:50] Speaker 2: having to overcome adversity can make you stronger. Overcoming a
[1:55:56] Speaker 2: bad cold can make you stronger and make you happy
[1:55:59] Speaker 2: that you don't have a cold.
[1:56:00] Speaker 5: Right.
[1:56:00] Speaker 2: But for example, I would be happy if I had
[1:56:05] Speaker 2: a near miss, like say I had a near miss accident.
[1:56:08] Speaker 2: I'd be really happy. Oh my god, I'm so happy
[1:56:11] Speaker 2: I didn't die today. Right, But that's all together different
[1:56:14] Speaker 2: than like if God struck me with bone cancer and
[1:56:17] Speaker 2: I just spent the next twelve years fighting cancer, that
[1:56:21] Speaker 2: would not that would not add to my experience. I
[1:56:24] Speaker 2: don't need that much suffering for soul building. Right, There's
[1:56:28] Speaker 2: a there's a limit, right because like when we punish
[1:56:30] Speaker 2: our children. Part of why we punish our children is
[1:56:34] Speaker 2: so that they learn a lesson. We're building their character. Right,
[1:56:37] Speaker 2: But we agree that there are some punishments that don't
[1:56:40] Speaker 2: build character. It's considered abuse, and that's where I would
[1:56:44] Speaker 2: classify natural disasters. It's not like good soul building punishment.
[1:56:49] Speaker 2: Its abuse.
[1:57:01] Speaker 4: I mean it's sort of the result of like Adam
[1:57:10] Speaker 4: and Eve breaking that that rule.
[1:57:14] Speaker 2: No, it's not God. God has control over his own actions. Right,
[1:57:18] Speaker 2: So Adam and Eve eating the apple has nothing to
[1:57:21] Speaker 2: do with God's reaction. God's reaction to the eating of
[1:57:25] Speaker 2: the apple is within his control.
[1:57:29] Speaker 4: Right, So doesn't that prove the idea of free will?
[1:57:33] Speaker 2: Though no, not so much.
[1:57:36] Speaker 13: So.
[1:57:36] Speaker 2: If my son goes to school and breaks a rule
[1:57:40] Speaker 2: in school, what I do about it is is my thing, right,
[1:57:46] Speaker 2: Like I could choose to lecture him, I could choose
[1:57:50] Speaker 2: to take away his tablet, or I could choose to
[1:57:54] Speaker 2: punch him in the nose. One of those punishments is
[1:57:57] Speaker 2: an overreaction and would be considered abuse. Right, So just
[1:58:01] Speaker 2: because my son did a thing doesn't mean I'm required
[1:58:04] Speaker 2: to react in the most horrific way possible.
[1:58:10] Speaker 4: I think that God held Adam and Eve to very
[1:58:13] Speaker 4: high standards because they were made in his image. And
[1:58:16] Speaker 4: so now if the rules are set, Oh you're laughing.
[1:58:20] Speaker 2: But they did they die natural disasters?
[1:58:24] Speaker 14: Though?
[1:58:25] Speaker 4: Did they die? I have no idea that Adam and
[1:58:28] Speaker 4: Eve sinned.
[1:58:29] Speaker 2: Therefore all humanity has to put up with natural disasters.
[1:58:33] Speaker 2: They didn't eat the apple.
[1:58:37] Speaker 4: They did not. That seems unfair, right, And.
[1:58:39] Speaker 2: Nobody was told. Nobody was warned this would be the result.
[1:58:44] Speaker 4: But the the God's idea of this world is that
[1:58:50] Speaker 4: it's not. This is not it.
[1:58:54] Speaker 2: Is right, it's not. This is not it.
[1:58:58] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's funny. No, I was in like there is
[1:59:01] Speaker 4: a continuation to it, right if like, regardless of your suffering,
[1:59:05] Speaker 4: like this is such a brief period for God, it's
[1:59:08] Speaker 4: just like a momentary. It's a second, it's a millisecond, right,
[1:59:10] Speaker 4: and it doesn't matter because I guess.
[1:59:15] Speaker 2: So, okay, So human sufferings meaningless when we compare it
[1:59:18] Speaker 2: with eternity, especially the fact that the vast majority of
[1:59:21] Speaker 2: human beings will spend eternity in hell. Also, by extension,
[1:59:27] Speaker 2: that means Jesus is suffering was meaningless.
[1:59:29] Speaker 4: Too, because he died for our sins.
[1:59:37] Speaker 2: Oh, his sufferings meaningless. Like though the whole point of
[1:59:39] Speaker 2: the gospel is, oh, my God, look at Jesus suffering
[1:59:42] Speaker 2: so badly because he had to take on our punishment.
[1:59:44] Speaker 2: But as it turns out, suffering is like nothing when
[1:59:47] Speaker 2: you have eternity, it's meaningless. If it's meaningless for me,
[1:59:50] Speaker 2: it's certainly meaningless for Jesus. He's a fucking god.
[1:59:55] Speaker 4: You're right, that's a good point.
[1:59:59] Speaker 2: Like he knew he would come back to life, right,
[2:00:01] Speaker 2: But saying that suffering is meaningless because look at eternity.
[2:00:05] Speaker 2: I don't think is a strong argument, especially since you
[2:00:07] Speaker 2: know most people don't end up in heaven, right, so
[2:00:09] Speaker 2: they suffer here, they die, and then they suffer for
[2:00:12] Speaker 2: eternity in hell. Where's the redemption?
[2:00:18] Speaker 4: Kind of just getting slapped on all sides? I mean, okay,
[2:00:21] Speaker 4: like to think about your point. Probably if we're thinking
[2:00:27] Speaker 4: that God is all knowing based off of your argument,
[2:00:31] Speaker 4: like he probably even thought that that's how things are
[2:00:34] Speaker 4: going to have to play out, like he would have
[2:00:36] Speaker 4: to send his son and forgive everyone's sense through that sacrifice.
[2:00:43] Speaker 2: I guess, uh yeah, So, I mean this is Paul's idea.
[2:00:48] Speaker 2: Right if read Ephesians chapter one, and even in Revelation
[2:00:52] Speaker 2: it talks about Jesus. It says in Ephesians that the
[2:00:55] Speaker 2: elect were chosen from the very beginning, and it says
[2:00:59] Speaker 2: that Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world
[2:01:01] Speaker 2: in Revelation. Right, so the New Testament had this idea
[2:01:04] Speaker 2: of no, no, no, Jesus's sacrifice wasn't a Plan B.
[2:01:09] Speaker 2: It was Plan A from the very beginning. But to
[2:01:12] Speaker 2: me it sounds like a like a monumental failure that
[2:01:17] Speaker 2: your your goal for humanity, like you created them knowing
[2:01:20] Speaker 2: they would sin, knowing every single one of them would sin,
[2:01:24] Speaker 2: and that they couldn't do anything about it. There's not
[2:01:26] Speaker 2: a single Paul says, not one is righteous, right, so
[2:01:28] Speaker 2: there's not one human being that's going to die righteous.
[2:01:30] Speaker 2: So that's the way you were created. And then he
[2:01:32] Speaker 2: says it because of this, because you're not perfect, I
[2:01:36] Speaker 2: have to torture you forever in hell fire. Like, sorry,
[2:01:40] Speaker 2: I kind of lost a plotter, forgot what I was
[2:01:42] Speaker 2: talking about. What the fuck were we talking about?
[2:01:46] Speaker 4: We were talking about Jesus suffering and.
[2:01:50] Speaker 9: That it was.
[2:01:53] Speaker 5: Right.
[2:01:53] Speaker 2: The atonement right through the suffering is meaningless right because
[2:01:57] Speaker 2: God has all the powers, right, so like if he
[2:02:01] Speaker 2: wanted to forgive sins, he could just forgive them. He
[2:02:06] Speaker 2: didn't have to send anyone to hell. He doesn't have
[2:02:08] Speaker 2: to punish anyone, like he could just choose to forgive
[2:02:11] Speaker 2: the sins. Like the fact that we're getting punished for
[2:02:15] Speaker 2: the way we were created in a severe way that
[2:02:18] Speaker 2: we couldn't do anything about is kind of a silly situation,
[2:02:22] Speaker 2: especially when he could. You know, if he's really loving,
[2:02:24] Speaker 2: he would just forgive.
[2:02:29] Speaker 4: But wouldn't like suffering become the glory eventually and not
[2:02:38] Speaker 4: like this this feeble moment in time that you're being
[2:02:41] Speaker 4: punished and you're suffering because of eternity.
[2:02:46] Speaker 2: I don't think so. No, Like when I look at
[2:02:47] Speaker 2: some of the ways I had to suffer as a
[2:02:50] Speaker 2: human being, I wouldn't look back on them and say
[2:02:52] Speaker 2: I'm glad I went through that. I got a good
[2:02:54] Speaker 2: friend that I grew up with who had two fights
[2:02:57] Speaker 2: with cancer. He's not glad that they got cancer and
[2:03:01] Speaker 2: he was able to overcome them. Fact, every time the
[2:03:03] Speaker 2: word cancer comes up, he's like, fuck cancer, I beat
[2:03:06] Speaker 2: it twice. So like the reality is like you can
[2:03:11] Speaker 2: you can think in your head, yeah, yeah, when I
[2:03:14] Speaker 2: when I get to heaven, then I'll look back and
[2:03:15] Speaker 2: be like, oh, I needed that. But that's we have
[2:03:18] Speaker 2: no evidence that that's how humans actually work. Like there
[2:03:21] Speaker 2: are some things I've overcome that I'm like, ah, I need,
[2:03:24] Speaker 2: Like I saw that it was just enough to make
[2:03:27] Speaker 2: me grow and not enough to you know, really fuck
[2:03:31] Speaker 2: up my life. Right when you get to the part
[2:03:33] Speaker 2: that fucks up your life, Like for example, let's pretend
[2:03:35] Speaker 2: a building falls on you in a tornado and now
[2:03:40] Speaker 2: you're a vegetable from life? Why what? What's the sense
[2:03:43] Speaker 2: in that?
[2:03:46] Speaker 4: But it's so brief. It's like, Okay, you're suffering now,
[2:03:49] Speaker 4: but then you accept God and God and then you spend,
[2:03:53] Speaker 4: and then you spend the rest of eternity.
[2:03:55] Speaker 2: You'reory with him. Imagine right now, I my how falls,
[2:04:00] Speaker 2: I turn into a vegetable and I die in atheists?
[2:04:03] Speaker 5: Then what.
[2:04:07] Speaker 9: Then?
[2:04:08] Speaker 4: I think you're fucked.
[2:04:09] Speaker 2: I know that's the that's the problem. Like, but we
[2:04:12] Speaker 2: keep comparing it. Well, it's okay. So there's a popular phrase,
[2:04:15] Speaker 2: there's no suffering on Earth. That was it, There's no
[2:04:21] Speaker 2: pain on earth that Heaven can't fix, or some bullshit
[2:04:24] Speaker 2: like that. But listen, that assumes, first of all, that
[2:04:27] Speaker 2: you're only suffering a little bit, and it also assumes
[2:04:29] Speaker 2: that you're going to heaven. The vast majority of people
[2:04:32] Speaker 2: won't be going to heaven, and Jesus himself says that
[2:04:35] Speaker 2: the way is narrow and the path of destruction is wide,
[2:04:39] Speaker 2: and this seems to be true for almost all of history.
[2:04:42] Speaker 2: So the vast majority of human beings won't get this whole.
[2:04:45] Speaker 2: Heaven makes it all a better situation.
[2:04:49] Speaker 4: But wouldn't you be going to hell because of your choice?
[2:04:52] Speaker 1: Though?
[2:04:53] Speaker 2: No, No, we chose to No, I didn't. We covered
[2:04:58] Speaker 2: this at the beginning of the conversation. I didn't choose
[2:04:59] Speaker 2: to believe this. You are either convinced by something or
[2:05:03] Speaker 2: you're not. You can't you can't choose. For example, if
[2:05:06] Speaker 2: I said, can you choose in this moment is your
[2:05:08] Speaker 2: name Lupin or Lupin? How do I say it? Oopen Lupin?
[2:05:13] Speaker 2: Can you choose in this very moment to believe that
[2:05:16] Speaker 2: you're the last person on Earth?
[2:05:24] Speaker 4: Would some help? Yes?
[2:05:25] Speaker 2: I think I don't think you can. And the reason
[2:05:27] Speaker 2: why is I'm going to ask you to do it,
[2:05:29] Speaker 2: and you're not going to be able to do it.
[2:05:31] Speaker 2: And I know what would happen if somebody became the
[2:05:34] Speaker 2: last person on Earth, they'd lose their fucking mind. So
[2:05:36] Speaker 2: go ahead and pretend that you're the last person on Earth.
[2:05:41] Speaker 2: To pretend that a deadly disease came through yesterday killed
[2:05:44] Speaker 2: everybody in Earth. You're the only one alive. Make it
[2:05:47] Speaker 2: real in your head?
[2:05:51] Speaker 4: And what okay? So you're saying that you're assuming that
[2:05:55] Speaker 4: if that happens, and I assume that I'm the last person,
[2:05:58] Speaker 4: I would just go mad and crazy.
[2:06:01] Speaker 2: Would you be not that you'd be you'd be very upset. No,
[2:06:06] Speaker 2: nobody upon waking up believes I don't believe there's a
[2:06:11] Speaker 2: single person here that would wake up realize that they're
[2:06:15] Speaker 2: the last person on earth and then not have a panic.
[2:06:20] Speaker 4: Right, So you're saying that you're disbelief or non or
[2:06:24] Speaker 4: not believing in this. It's not something that like you decided.
[2:06:27] Speaker 4: It's something that was proven to you based out of
[2:06:30] Speaker 4: like facts and reading and all of that.
[2:06:32] Speaker 2: Can you believe that atheism is true? Right now?
[2:06:40] Speaker 4: If if shown enough evidence, yes, there you go.
[2:06:47] Speaker 2: Because it's not a choice. It's whether or not you're
[2:06:49] Speaker 2: convinced that you didn't You didn't choose to believe it.
[2:06:53] Speaker 2: You're convinced because of some kind of evidence. Right, So,
[2:06:56] Speaker 2: if you can't choose in this very moment to be
[2:06:59] Speaker 2: an atheist, that means atheism isn't a choice.
[2:07:03] Speaker 4: But wouldn't you still choose to take that as the
[2:07:05] Speaker 4: truth or not? You can still choose to reject that
[2:07:09] Speaker 4: whether it's the whether whether that's the actual truth or not.
[2:07:13] Speaker 2: No, you're either convinced by it or you're not. You
[2:07:17] Speaker 2: don't you don't choose to be convinced by something like
[2:07:19] Speaker 2: if somebody told me that, hey, look the sun's blue today,
[2:07:22] Speaker 2: and I walked outside and the sun was blue. I'm
[2:07:25] Speaker 2: not choosing to believe the sun is blue. I just
[2:07:27] Speaker 2: put my fucking eyes on it and it's blue. I
[2:07:29] Speaker 2: believe it's blue now, right. You don't choose to believe things.
[2:07:32] Speaker 2: You either believe them or you don't. In case in point,
[2:07:39] Speaker 2: you can't right now choose to be an atheist. I
[2:07:42] Speaker 2: know you can't do it, and if you can't do it,
[2:07:48] Speaker 2: that means I didn't do it either.
[2:07:57] Speaker 4: I'm trying to think how.
[2:08:01] Speaker 2: I mean, we can walk through the experiment if you
[2:08:04] Speaker 2: really want to. It's a really good experiment. So what
[2:08:08] Speaker 2: I would say to you then is lupin. I'm going
[2:08:11] Speaker 2: to have you do two things. Task number one right now,
[2:08:16] Speaker 2: stop believing in all gods. Let me know when you
[2:08:20] Speaker 2: get there.
[2:08:24] Speaker 4: I'm ready. I'm all right.
[2:08:26] Speaker 2: A task number two, out of your mouth, say I
[2:08:28] Speaker 2: denounced Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior. He's a dead
[2:08:32] Speaker 2: skycarcass that I don't believe in.
[2:08:38] Speaker 4: That's a lot to say, but I deny Jesus Christ,
[2:08:40] Speaker 4: and he is a dead carcass in the sky that
[2:08:43] Speaker 4: I don't believe in.
[2:08:45] Speaker 2: It was a lot to say because he didn't want
[2:08:47] Speaker 2: to say it.
[2:08:49] Speaker 4: Oh, that's not true. I don't believe in any gods.
[2:08:51] Speaker 4: I don't believe in any gods.
[2:08:53] Speaker 2: How did it make you feel when you said it? Liar,
[2:08:57] Speaker 2: you're excusing you.
[2:08:58] Speaker 4: No, that's not nice.
[2:09:00] Speaker 2: We all know it. We all know that said a
[2:09:03] Speaker 2: choice looping you.
[2:09:06] Speaker 4: You asked me to believe that there was no God,
[2:09:10] Speaker 4: So that's easy.
[2:09:11] Speaker 2: And then you acted as though you did for thirty seconds.
[2:09:18] Speaker 4: I truly believe it. You don't, Well, that makes it
[2:09:24] Speaker 4: so sure about it?
[2:09:25] Speaker 2: Then say fuck Jesus. Fuck yeahweh. I'm never believing in
[2:09:28] Speaker 2: those two ever again. Commit blasphemy.
[2:09:33] Speaker 4: Because that's an unforgetful sin.
[2:09:36] Speaker 2: Commit blasphemy of the Holy Spirit right now.
[2:09:45] Speaker 4: That is tough.
[2:09:47] Speaker 2: I know it's tough because you can't choose what you believe.
[2:09:50] Speaker 2: You either believe it or you don't.
[2:09:59] Speaker 4: Right, So you are being punished for something that you
[2:10:04] Speaker 4: haven't chose. So you're going to be based off of Christianity.
[2:10:09] Speaker 4: You're going to be hell for eternity, and it wasn't
[2:10:14] Speaker 4: your choice, right.
[2:10:23] Speaker 2: Nobody should ever be punished for what they do or
[2:10:26] Speaker 2: don't believe. It's not something that's your rolover.
[2:10:30] Speaker 4: What's your background? Have you always been I'm assuming you
[2:10:35] Speaker 4: you were religious at one point.
[2:10:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[2:10:38] Speaker 2: I was a Christian for twenty years and I went
[2:10:40] Speaker 2: to a Bible college and seminary, and it was reading
[2:10:43] Speaker 2: the Bible that caused me to lose my faith.
[2:10:48] Speaker 4: Is that a common thing that happens?
[2:10:51] Speaker 2: Yep, with a very common joke. Yeah, yeah. They call
[2:10:55] Speaker 2: seminary seminary the cemetery. It's where Christians go to die.
[2:11:00] Speaker 4: Wow, that's so funny.
[2:11:02] Speaker 2: It's it's very common. In fact, we've got at least
[2:11:05] Speaker 2: one or two other seminarians in the Chat that deconstructed
[2:11:10] Speaker 2: in seminary to put a put a capital seminary in
[2:11:14] Speaker 2: the Chat if you lost your faith in seminary.
[2:11:20] Speaker 4: Unfortunately I can't see Chat. So what was the what
[2:11:24] Speaker 4: was the main thing that convinced you or was it
[2:11:27] Speaker 4: like a multitude of things? You're like, oh, like fuck this,
[2:11:30] Speaker 4: I don't this is not true. It's not true to
[2:11:33] Speaker 4: me anymore.
[2:11:34] Speaker 2: I think it was a multitude of things. I usually
[2:11:37] Speaker 2: describe it as like death by a thousand cuts, but
[2:11:40] Speaker 2: I do believe that the like the straw that broke
[2:11:45] Speaker 2: the camel's back, for me was the fact that Jesus
[2:11:48] Speaker 2: just didn't know what the Hebrew Bible says. He gets
[2:11:51] Speaker 2: it wrong at every turn, and then he misapplies scripture
[2:11:55] Speaker 2: over and over again. Like in Luke chapter four, he
[2:11:57] Speaker 2: applies Isaiah sixty one to him, which is clearly not
[2:12:00] Speaker 2: about him. It's clearly about the restoration of the Israelites
[2:12:03] Speaker 2: after the Babylonian captivity. And he takes the most vague
[2:12:08] Speaker 2: part of Isaiah sixty one the spirit of the Lords
[2:12:10] Speaker 2: upon me, and says, today this has been fulfilled. Well, bullshit.
[2:12:14] Speaker 2: The me is obviously the prophet, and if you read
[2:12:18] Speaker 2: all the way to verse four, it's clear that the
[2:12:20] Speaker 2: spirit of the Lord is upon the prophet to bring
[2:12:22] Speaker 2: good news to those who got their asses kicked by
[2:12:25] Speaker 2: the Babylonians, that now they're going to get restored. And
[2:12:29] Speaker 2: Jesus didn't restore his people. In fact, when he came,
[2:12:32] Speaker 2: it got worse for his people. He's just kind of
[2:12:39] Speaker 2: a goof. He didn't fulfill a single Messianic prophecy. All
[2:12:41] Speaker 2: he's got to do is read the Hebrew Bible. There's
[2:12:43] Speaker 2: tons of prophecies that I would consider and Jews would
[2:12:46] Speaker 2: consider messianic. He didn't come close to fulfilling any of them.
[2:12:51] Speaker 4: You think that he was a crook.
[2:12:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he was a Charlatan.
[2:12:59] Speaker 4: So do you do you believe in any sort of
[2:13:03] Speaker 4: like higher power.
[2:13:05] Speaker 2: Or not anymore? I did for a while. I believed
[2:13:09] Speaker 2: in a generic God for a while after I left
[2:13:12] Speaker 2: Christianity and.
[2:13:13] Speaker 4: After he left Christianity, because you couldn't just give it
[2:13:16] Speaker 4: up completely.
[2:13:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, because it's a process, it's a journey. Some people do.
[2:13:19] Speaker 2: My buddy chet Chet might actually be here. Chet did that.
[2:13:22] Speaker 2: He when he went to grad, went to undergrad to
[2:13:26] Speaker 2: study the Hebrew Bible. He went straight from christian to atheists.
[2:13:30] Speaker 2: Most people don't. Most people have a progression of like, okay,
[2:13:33] Speaker 2: well Christianity is not true, but maybe this other stuff
[2:13:36] Speaker 2: is true, or well maybe this other stuff isn't true,
[2:13:38] Speaker 2: but maybe there's still a God. It takes a while
[2:13:40] Speaker 2: to because you don't like tear down a wall just
[2:13:44] Speaker 2: by like running your car into it. You kind of
[2:13:46] Speaker 2: take it down brick by brick because it's sacred to you.
[2:13:49] Speaker 2: So when you're dealing with something sacred, you disassemble it
[2:13:52] Speaker 2: very slowly and carefully because you don't want to throw
[2:13:55] Speaker 2: the baby out with bathwater. But if you continue in
[2:13:58] Speaker 2: the thinking process, eventually you know, the baby typically does
[2:14:03] Speaker 2: get thrown out.
[2:14:05] Speaker 4: I feel like if one is to do that, then
[2:14:08] Speaker 4: it leaves a huge gap of like understanding the world
[2:14:14] Speaker 4: around you and like meaning maybe like what did you
[2:14:19] Speaker 4: find to fill that gap?
[2:14:23] Speaker 3: Well? Was there a gap?
[2:14:24] Speaker 4: Was there? Was there a whole?
[2:14:26] Speaker 5: Was there?
[2:14:26] Speaker 11: Like there was?
[2:14:27] Speaker 4: For me?
[2:14:27] Speaker 2: Initially, I lost a bunch of community, right so my
[2:14:31] Speaker 2: life was wrapped up in church. I was, I was
[2:14:34] Speaker 2: a pastor for over a decade. My life was wrapped
[2:14:37] Speaker 2: up in the Christian community. And so you lose well,
[2:14:41] Speaker 2: to be fair, I mean all of my old Christian
[2:14:43] Speaker 2: friends are still friends with me, but you lose like
[2:14:45] Speaker 2: that sense of community going to church, participating in mission
[2:14:49] Speaker 2: trips and you know, doing all the group activities, and
[2:14:51] Speaker 2: so you kind of have to rebuild that a little bit.
[2:14:53] Speaker 2: That's that's a part of your life that gets rebuilt.
[2:14:55] Speaker 5: Now.
[2:14:56] Speaker 2: We try to do that here at Deconstruction Zone. We've
[2:14:58] Speaker 2: got an amazing crew that run a discord. We've got
[2:15:01] Speaker 2: a lot of people that come into these live streams
[2:15:03] Speaker 2: and dialogue with each other. There's a lot of people
[2:15:06] Speaker 2: in the chat right now that are just here to
[2:15:07] Speaker 2: talk to each other. They don't give a fuck what
[2:15:09] Speaker 2: I'm saying right now.
[2:15:11] Speaker 14: So like we do.
[2:15:12] Speaker 2: It's the best we can. Yeah, we do the best
[2:15:15] Speaker 2: we can to have a little bit of community, and
[2:15:18] Speaker 2: that's important. A lot of people miss that when they leave.
[2:15:21] Speaker 4: I have a silly question. Do you think you've converted
[2:15:25] Speaker 4: more people, were deconstructed more people? Because you're a pastor
[2:15:29] Speaker 4: for ten years you preached to I'm assuming a church
[2:15:34] Speaker 4: that was like usually you know, you have a couple
[2:15:36] Speaker 4: of hundred people where maybe one hundred people. Do you
[2:15:38] Speaker 4: think you brought people to God more than you help deconstruct.
[2:15:45] Speaker 2: I'm not entirely sure, because you know, in America, most
[2:15:48] Speaker 2: of the people that you quote unquote save most of
[2:15:51] Speaker 2: them kind of already believed it anyways. They just they
[2:15:54] Speaker 2: might have not been completely sure how much they believed it,
[2:15:58] Speaker 2: or they might they might not have taken the steps
[2:16:01] Speaker 2: to align their life with what they believe. So like,
[2:16:05] Speaker 2: while I did drag people to church for a long time,
[2:16:09] Speaker 2: the better part of twenty years dragging people to church,
[2:16:11] Speaker 2: and then a lot of them are still in church,
[2:16:12] Speaker 2: most of them probably, I don't know the numbers because
[2:16:19] Speaker 2: that was one percent at a time, you know, for
[2:16:21] Speaker 2: a course of a decade or two. Right, But what
[2:16:25] Speaker 2: I'm doing now, I'm talking to thousands of people at
[2:16:27] Speaker 2: a time. Right now, I've got six hundred people watching
[2:16:29] Speaker 2: on TikTok, and I've got eighteen hundred on the horizontal
[2:16:34] Speaker 2: YouTube stream, probably six hundred on the vertical. So like,
[2:16:37] Speaker 2: thousands of people at a time are listening to me
[2:16:39] Speaker 2: right now, whereas I had to talk to a couple
[2:16:42] Speaker 2: people at a time to get them in the church.
[2:16:44] Speaker 4: You're right, that's so funny you separate them the horizontal
[2:16:47] Speaker 4: and the vertical.
[2:16:48] Speaker 2: Well that's that's a long story. But yeah, I've got
[2:16:51] Speaker 2: two different YouTube streams. And with the long and short
[2:16:55] Speaker 2: of it, Lupin is like, you don't have to leave
[2:16:58] Speaker 2: Christianity and then not believe in any God. Certainly, there
[2:17:02] Speaker 2: are a lot of people who leave Christianity and still
[2:17:04] Speaker 2: believe in a God, and there are some people who
[2:17:06] Speaker 2: don't like me. But I think the reality is is
[2:17:10] Speaker 2: when you examine the underpinnings of the religion, it's just
[2:17:13] Speaker 2: it's rife with problematic concepts. There's so many, like even
[2:17:18] Speaker 2: the main doctrines like Jesus had to die to save
[2:17:22] Speaker 2: you from hell. That doctrine alone is problematic. That anybody
[2:17:26] Speaker 2: would be tortured by fire for eternity for any sin
[2:17:31] Speaker 2: is crazy. I don't even think Hitler should be tortured
[2:17:33] Speaker 2: by fire for all of eternity. Maybe a lifetime for
[2:17:37] Speaker 2: every human life he took, maybe, but not for eternity.
[2:17:41] Speaker 2: That's crazy.
[2:17:45] Speaker 4: That is crazy. That that feels like it's an unfair punishment, right,
[2:17:51] Speaker 4: and it's not being enforced, like if although that kind
[2:17:57] Speaker 4: of goes against what I'm about, it kind of goes
[2:18:00] Speaker 4: against free will, you know, like that because God is
[2:18:03] Speaker 4: not showing itself, it's not participating in our lives. It's
[2:18:08] Speaker 4: like very distant. But I feel like, because there's the
[2:18:13] Speaker 4: idea of free will, you can't have presence and offer
[2:18:18] Speaker 4: free will in the same time.
[2:18:20] Speaker 2: What do you mean by presidence?
[2:18:21] Speaker 4: Like if God was here and commanding and like present
[2:18:29] Speaker 4: in our lives, like with like showing itself and like
[2:18:32] Speaker 4: all of that stuff, you wouldn't have, sorry, the idea
[2:18:36] Speaker 4: of free will anymore.
[2:18:37] Speaker 2: The people, the people in heaven had free will. They
[2:18:40] Speaker 2: just remember the angels disobeyed God by in Genesis six
[2:18:44] Speaker 2: coming down and sleeping with the women they were in
[2:18:45] Speaker 2: his presence, right, So being in his presence I don't
[2:18:55] Speaker 2: think affects your free will.
[2:19:02] Speaker 4: That's a good point. I think I think you can
[2:19:08] Speaker 4: task me in the category of cooked.
[2:19:12] Speaker 2: Well, it's a living It was fun to talk to
[2:19:14] Speaker 2: it least, you know, when I first got online, I
[2:19:17] Speaker 2: thought i'd have more conversations like this, where we can
[2:19:19] Speaker 2: have like just some back and forth dialogue. I didn't
[2:19:22] Speaker 2: think I would end up arguing with people and cooking people.
[2:19:26] Speaker 2: But you know, there's a lot of Christians that you
[2:19:28] Speaker 2: start tweaking their religion, they get really bent out of
[2:19:30] Speaker 2: shape over it, and you have no other choice other
[2:19:32] Speaker 2: than to end up debating, you know what I mean.
[2:19:36] Speaker 4: Very unholy Like I've noticed that, m if if if
[2:19:41] Speaker 4: you're practicing a religion of love and all of that
[2:19:44] Speaker 4: and forgiving your neighbor whatever, loving your neighbor your neighbor,
[2:19:48] Speaker 4: and then you're you're doing that.
[2:19:51] Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, if you're, if you're truly doing what Jesus
[2:19:56] Speaker 2: told you to do, you wouldn't be acting like a
[2:19:59] Speaker 2: fool on the internet because somebody's talking about your religion.
[2:20:02] Speaker 2: That's the case.
[2:20:02] Speaker 4: But yeah, I guess anonymity helps right now, Yeah, it does.
[2:20:07] Speaker 4: I can just come up here and just say whatever,
[2:20:10] Speaker 4: hang up and I don't know, I guess feel better
[2:20:15] Speaker 4: by yourself.
[2:20:16] Speaker 2: Yeah, basically yeah, well this is a lupin. I enjoy
[2:20:19] Speaker 2: talking to you. Thanks for stopping by and being cordial.
[2:20:21] Speaker 2: We love a guest that actually is nice, even though
[2:20:24] Speaker 2: we don't get them very often. So thanks for coming
[2:20:26] Speaker 2: by and having a good chat.
[2:20:28] Speaker 4: No, I appreciate you talking to me.
[2:20:31] Speaker 2: Suting here's buddy good night. That is a good palate
[2:20:36] Speaker 2: cleanser from some of the other guests from you know,
[2:20:39] Speaker 2: back to back, baby Pace and great apologists and things
[2:20:42] Speaker 2: like that. Simon, thank you so much for the ten
[2:20:45] Speaker 2: that our super says the Bible on the third Day,
[2:20:47] Speaker 2: God made himself the muscles and French fries for dinner.
[2:20:52] Speaker 2: Christians be like, ah, I see, it means that God
[2:20:54] Speaker 2: went to McDonald's in order to big Mac go to
[2:20:57] Speaker 2: be a metaphor. I know, listen, i'man you know around here.
[2:21:02] Speaker 2: If you like what it says, it's literal. If you
[2:21:04] Speaker 2: don't like what it says, it's always a metaphor. That's
[2:21:07] Speaker 2: that's the key to true Christian hermeneutics and HP love cats.
[2:21:13] Speaker 2: Thank you for the six sixty six, my friend. When
[2:21:16] Speaker 2: I was diagnosed with Crohn's disease, a Greek Orthodox priest
[2:21:19] Speaker 2: told me God send it to me so that I'd
[2:21:21] Speaker 2: be closer to him. Doug would never do that. Fuck no,
[2:21:24] Speaker 2: he wouldn't love cats, he would never. The fact that
[2:21:27] Speaker 2: God has to harm you who bring you closer to
[2:21:32] Speaker 2: him demonstrates that he's impotent. He's a weak. Ask God,
[2:21:38] Speaker 2: you never have to harm somebody to bring them closer
[2:21:40] Speaker 2: to you. For example, if you're married, or if you
[2:21:42] Speaker 2: have a significant significant other, how often do you have
[2:21:46] Speaker 2: to harm your significant other to bring them closer to you?
[2:21:50] Speaker 2: If you do that, people will come and arrest you,
[2:21:54] Speaker 2: like you might end up in like the white self snuggie,
[2:21:57] Speaker 2: Like it's not going to turn out well for you. Carissa,
[2:22:01] Speaker 2: thank you so much for the ten count the ten
[2:22:04] Speaker 2: Deconstruction Zone gifted memberships. Thank you so so much, Chris,
[2:22:08] Speaker 2: I really appreciate that, and I owe fourteen ninety seven. Also,
[2:22:12] Speaker 2: ask Yanova, thank you for the twenty dollars super tap,
[2:22:15] Speaker 2: my friend, because there's no point to test our soul
[2:22:17] Speaker 2: building when the God is going to wipe your memory away.
[2:22:20] Speaker 2: Isaiah sixty five seventeen. God will create new Earth and
[2:22:23] Speaker 2: wipe your memory. So, uh, this is actually a really
[2:22:27] Speaker 2: interesting point because in Isaiah sixty five seventeen, this is
[2:22:31] Speaker 2: the new Heaven new Earth imagery that is robbed for
[2:22:35] Speaker 2: the Book of Revelation. Although in Revelation they don't die
[2:22:40] Speaker 2: in Isaiah. They still die in Isaiah, but in Isaiah
[2:22:44] Speaker 2: seventeen it talks about the former things. The former things
[2:22:49] Speaker 2: shall not be remembered or come to mind, meaning the
[2:22:53] Speaker 2: trials of former things. This is actually a really interesting
[2:22:56] Speaker 2: point that I never put together. You know, we bring
[2:22:59] Speaker 2: out Isaiah six five quite a bit when we talk
[2:23:02] Speaker 2: about Bible contradictions. This is the first time someone's ever
[2:23:05] Speaker 2: mentioned in reference to heaven and not remembering what happened
[2:23:10] Speaker 2: on Earth, which means soul building is irrelevant. That that's
[2:23:14] Speaker 2: such a good point. That's such a good point. Io
[2:23:16] Speaker 2: I really appreciate that Astronova guess because the w's for
[2:23:19] Speaker 2: Astronova on that point and designed with the ten dollar
[2:23:22] Speaker 2: supertest says the way they defend God ree Adam and Eve.
[2:23:25] Speaker 2: I'm dying to know if they think Adam and Eve
[2:23:28] Speaker 2: went to hell fire after they died, if they ended
[2:23:31] Speaker 2: up back in heaven, they were pawns. Agreed that if
[2:23:34] Speaker 2: Adam and Eve ended up in heaven, that means God
[2:23:39] Speaker 2: forgave them. And if God just forgave them, then it
[2:23:42] Speaker 2: means he could have forgived them without cursing the earth,
[2:23:45] Speaker 2: without making childbirth painful, like he didn't have to go
[2:23:48] Speaker 2: through any of that nonsense. And doctor Joe, another fellow seminarian,
[2:23:53] Speaker 2: thank you for the ten hour supertest, says the Twilight Zone.
[2:23:55] Speaker 2: It did an episode depicting the last person on Earth.
[2:23:59] Speaker 2: It was brilliant and haunting. Also, it's super literasy. I'm sorry.
[2:24:04] Speaker 2: Spiritual Literacy Month, I bet we can do something with that.
[2:24:08] Speaker 2: Spiritual Literacy Month is something I never thought was gonna
[2:24:12] Speaker 2: be like a word, a phrase. Let me look that
[2:24:15] Speaker 2: up beer. To be fair, there's a lot of there's
[2:24:24] Speaker 2: a lot of like religious celebrations happening in December, so
[2:24:29] Speaker 2: I can see why it would be December as a
[2:24:32] Speaker 2: Spiritual Literacy Month is a time to learn about spirituality
[2:24:36] Speaker 2: and faith, traditionally celebrated in December with the goal of
[2:24:40] Speaker 2: encouraging people to read at least one book on the topic. Well, fuck,
[2:24:44] Speaker 2: we do that every day. Thank you for lending me know.
[2:24:46] Speaker 2: Doctor Joe, I had no idea. We're going to read
[2:24:49] Speaker 2: even more of this book this month, and corpse man,
[2:24:52] Speaker 2: thank you for the supertest As. Ephesians two eight through
[2:24:54] Speaker 2: nine and Philippians one twenty nine state that God grants
[2:24:57] Speaker 2: both faith and belief. It's true. It is true. Actually,
[2:25:01] Speaker 2: in fact, in Romans nine he explicitly says that it's
[2:25:06] Speaker 2: not based on human will or exertion, but on God,
[2:25:10] Speaker 2: who shows mercy. That's why I'm just a vessel of wrath.
[2:25:15] Speaker 9: So it is.
[2:25:18] Speaker 2: But that's a really good point though. On Ephesians two
[2:25:20] Speaker 2: eight through nine. In fact, we'll throw it up for
[2:25:23] Speaker 2: everyone who hasn't read it. Ephesians one is another good one.
[2:25:27] Speaker 2: Ephesians one really does away with the whole free will
[2:25:31] Speaker 2: nonsense when it says that the elect were chosen before
[2:25:35] Speaker 2: the foundation of the world. Says, oh, shoot, the super
[2:25:41] Speaker 2: chats up. Let's see.
[2:25:46] Speaker 3: Four.
[2:25:47] Speaker 2: By grace, you have been saved through faith, and this
[2:25:50] Speaker 2: is not your own doing. It is the gift of God,
[2:25:52] Speaker 2: not the result of works. So that one man may boast.
[2:25:56] Speaker 2: So God saves whom he wills it And you can't say, well,
[2:26:02] Speaker 2: he chooses those that are worthy, because then it would
[2:26:05] Speaker 2: be based on work, so he doesn't choose those who
[2:26:08] Speaker 2: are worthy, he chooses those who he wills. God's ways
[2:26:12] Speaker 2: are higher, Pepop Fairy, thank you for the ten dollars supertests.
[2:26:15] Speaker 2: Before I was born, my sister died of a severe
[2:26:18] Speaker 2: and rare condition after two days of extreme pain. My
[2:26:21] Speaker 2: mom was not able to hold her even once. No
[2:26:23] Speaker 2: soul building came of it, only sadness. Peapop, this is
[2:26:28] Speaker 2: the case, and I'm sorry that happened, but that this
[2:26:31] Speaker 2: is reality. I have a friend that had a stillbirth and.
[2:26:37] Speaker 5: No shop building.
[2:26:38] Speaker 2: Ooh fuck me, I'm not even tired. Why am I
[2:26:40] Speaker 2: own him? No soul building comes from that. Nobody feels
[2:26:43] Speaker 2: like they're a better person because they had a stillborn baby,
[2:26:46] Speaker 2: not a thing. It's a tragic event and I am
[2:26:51] Speaker 2: the big cheese. Good to see again, my friend. Thank
[2:26:52] Speaker 2: you for the ten dollars supertest. Says John, baptizing Jesus
[2:26:55] Speaker 2: was wholly unnecessary and stupid. Unless adoptionism is true. Couldn't
[2:26:59] Speaker 2: agree more otherwise, no precedent or reason. It is impossible
[2:27:03] Speaker 2: for someone to bless and cleanse my sins in my
[2:27:06] Speaker 2: own name. And remember he was baptizing for the remission
[2:27:11] Speaker 2: of sins. He was baptizing people to cleanse them from
[2:27:15] Speaker 2: their sins. That that was the point of the whole thing.
[2:27:17] Speaker 2: It wasn't just a meaningless ritual. This was already adopted
[2:27:23] Speaker 2: in Judaism for that intent. So when Jesus comes to him,
[2:27:26] Speaker 2: you can imagine, you know that this would be a
[2:27:29] Speaker 2: tremendous event, and it makes Christian theology completely senseless. Adoptionism
[2:27:35] Speaker 2: was the earliest view among the Christians because it's the
[2:27:38] Speaker 2: only view that makes sense.
[2:27:40] Speaker 7: It's it.
[2:27:43] Speaker 2: There's no view of Jesus outside of adoptionism that makes sense.
[2:27:47] Speaker 2: Impastor Joe last super chat for now, Thank you for
[2:27:49] Speaker 2: the twenty dollars superchat because loving the Expangelical podcast with
[2:27:53] Speaker 2: Sarah from Leaving Faith. You both meld so well there,
[2:27:57] Speaker 2: rock Hard Reduncan Simple for sharing what we've been working
[2:28:01] Speaker 2: together for a long time. She was the first person
[2:28:03] Speaker 2: I ever met when I got online doing the social media.
[2:28:06] Speaker 2: She was number one, and we still do a ton
[2:28:08] Speaker 2: of work together because she's brilliant. I'll say it again,
[2:28:13] Speaker 2: Leaving Faith, Sarah is brilliant. He's the big brain. I'm
[2:28:17] Speaker 2: not nearly as smart as Sarah is. Make sure you're
[2:28:20] Speaker 2: following her content because she's really sharp, and we're actually
[2:28:25] Speaker 2: we're gonna be debating again real soon. All right, let's
[2:28:29] Speaker 2: get the next guest here. It's gonna be Mike. Mike
[2:28:32] Speaker 2: from the TikTok Q. Look, Mike, are you at least eighteen?
[2:28:39] Speaker 2: And do you believe me in God?
[2:28:44] Speaker 9: Yes?
[2:28:45] Speaker 5: And it's complicated, but let's say yes.
[2:28:49] Speaker 2: Okay, is it a particular god.
[2:28:53] Speaker 8: Christianity?
[2:28:55] Speaker 11: Okay?
[2:28:57] Speaker 2: Do you believe that the God is all good? Partially
[2:28:59] Speaker 2: good or maybe mix?
[2:29:03] Speaker 8: I don't really concern myself with these kinds of questions.
[2:29:08] Speaker 2: Well, that's what you're here for. That the prompt is
[2:29:11] Speaker 2: God is not good. We're examining whether or not God
[2:29:14] Speaker 2: is good.
[2:29:16] Speaker 8: Well, I look at the effects that Christianity, uh, you know,
[2:29:22] Speaker 8: puts on society, and I think it's way better than
[2:29:26] Speaker 8: what the new atheist liberal.
[2:29:28] Speaker 2: You can you can claim that all you want, but
[2:29:30] Speaker 2: that's irrelevant to the topic. Do you want just a topic?
[2:29:35] Speaker 9: Yeah?
[2:29:35] Speaker 8: Yeah, The topic is that you think that Christianity is
[2:29:37] Speaker 8: a bad influence on.
[2:29:40] Speaker 2: No, I didn't said that. That's not the topic, and
[2:29:42] Speaker 2: I didn't say that. I didn't say that tonight. So again,
[2:29:44] Speaker 2: I know you're terrified of talking about the actual topic
[2:29:47] Speaker 2: because you don't want to read the Bible. But the
[2:29:49] Speaker 2: question is whether or not God is good, not Christianity
[2:29:52] Speaker 2: has good effects. Do you want to talk about the
[2:29:54] Speaker 2: topic or no? Are you good?
[2:29:56] Speaker 4: Are you good? Justin? Because I know that you like
[2:29:58] Speaker 4: to lie about being a.
[2:29:59] Speaker 2: Past Okay, so no, no you don't. All right, we'll
[2:30:04] Speaker 2: move on to the next guest, because he was apparently
[2:30:07] Speaker 2: too cowardly to have dialogue. Well, you'll know them by
[2:30:10] Speaker 2: their fruits, y'all, alter ego, welcome in. Are you at
[2:30:15] Speaker 2: least eighteen? And do you believe in God?
[2:30:18] Speaker 4: Yes?
[2:30:19] Speaker 2: I am, and yes I do awesome and wish I
[2:30:22] Speaker 2: do believe in the God of the Bible Christian great.
[2:30:29] Speaker 2: So do you think that the God of the Bible
[2:30:31] Speaker 2: is good all the time or maybe sometimes, or maybe
[2:30:35] Speaker 2: a mixture of good and bad.
[2:30:38] Speaker 7: It's complicated because I believe that.
[2:30:43] Speaker 15: Even though the Bible that exists has a lot of
[2:30:46] Speaker 15: the actual texts and scripture in it, it may not
[2:30:53] Speaker 15: be the actual full truth. There might be more to it,
[2:30:58] Speaker 15: or there might have been some stuff added to it
[2:31:01] Speaker 15: or twisted around, rearrange all.
[2:31:04] Speaker 7: Sorts of things.
[2:31:05] Speaker 15: And so yeah, you ask, hey God, If God is good, absolutely,
[2:31:11] Speaker 15: he's good.
[2:31:11] Speaker 2: Hey, is there any way you can you cannot be
[2:31:14] Speaker 2: driving right now? Hey hey, but we can't hear what
[2:31:18] Speaker 2: you're saying, and it's against TikTok terms of service to
[2:31:21] Speaker 2: be driving. Can you pull over?
[2:31:23] Speaker 1: Uh?
[2:31:24] Speaker 7: Yeah, give me two right now?
[2:31:27] Speaker 2: Alls we can hear? Is everyone driving by him?
[2:31:30] Speaker 7: Oh jeez, I apologize. Yeah, there's like a gas station
[2:31:35] Speaker 7: over here.
[2:31:37] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:31:39] Speaker 4: Yeah, No.
[2:31:39] Speaker 7: Like I was saying, though, based off.
[2:31:43] Speaker 15: Of the Bible, the actual ideas of God might be
[2:31:48] Speaker 15: a little bit.
[2:31:51] Speaker 7: Skewed.
[2:31:53] Speaker 2: Which parts of the Bible are true?
[2:31:56] Speaker 7: Which parts? I want to say.
[2:31:59] Speaker 15: One of the things that I have the biggest issues
[2:32:02] Speaker 15: with is all the stuff associated with.
[2:32:08] Speaker 2: Great. Yeah, we we agree, Fuck Paul, get him out
[2:32:11] Speaker 2: of there. What about the What about the Law of Moses?
[2:32:14] Speaker 2: Did God actually give that?
[2:32:17] Speaker 7: The Law of Moses? I think so, I would say that.
[2:32:24] Speaker 4: There is.
[2:32:27] Speaker 15: Some truth to Okay, So if you're talking about the
[2:32:29] Speaker 15: Ten Commandments, I can absolutely see that that is a truth.
[2:32:38] Speaker 2: But I said, I said the I said the Law
[2:32:40] Speaker 2: of Moses, not the Ten Commandments.
[2:32:42] Speaker 7: Okay, So you're you're meaning like.
[2:32:46] Speaker 2: Levitical law, all the laws, all the laws that that
[2:32:51] Speaker 2: Moses gave. When when Jesus refers to the laws of Moses,
[2:32:54] Speaker 2: we know what they are. It's it's the all the
[2:32:57] Speaker 2: laws between Genesis and Deuteronomy, although there's no laws in Genesis.
[2:33:02] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[2:33:03] Speaker 7: Yeah, So would I say that God gave those to Moses?
[2:33:10] Speaker 15: I would say that it's it's It's almost like a
[2:33:14] Speaker 15: case where if let's say you were to have a
[2:33:19] Speaker 15: spiritual encounter and.
[2:33:23] Speaker 7: Start like having something that expressed in your very core of.
[2:33:27] Speaker 15: Your being, that that that was God communicating to you,
[2:33:32] Speaker 15: and you start to listen and things go perfectly. At
[2:33:37] Speaker 15: some point our human nature takes over and we hear
[2:33:41] Speaker 15: what we want to listen.
[2:33:43] Speaker 4: Right.
[2:33:43] Speaker 2: So, but my question was, do you think that the
[2:33:45] Speaker 2: laws of Moses were actually given by God?
[2:33:49] Speaker 7: There's some of it that's outrageous, but I would say
[2:33:52] Speaker 7: some I would say.
[2:33:53] Speaker 2: Yes, Okay, so it was it was given by God,
[2:33:56] Speaker 2: So then by extension, all of the laws of Moses
[2:33:59] Speaker 2: must be good.
[2:34:02] Speaker 7: I get where you're going with this argument.
[2:34:06] Speaker 15: There's probably some of the stuff, and that's what I
[2:34:08] Speaker 15: was trying to explain, that at some point human nature
[2:34:12] Speaker 15: would have taken over and his own judgment.
[2:34:15] Speaker 2: Human nature took over God's laws.
[2:34:17] Speaker 7: No, it took over whoever was writing those books.
[2:34:21] Speaker 2: Okay, so when it says that God gave the laws
[2:34:23] Speaker 2: of Moses in the book, it's not actually true.
[2:34:28] Speaker 15: Partially true. I don't know, Like, I don't know if
[2:34:30] Speaker 15: that's a fair argument, but I would say that that
[2:34:36] Speaker 15: for sure. It's it's almost like we can, as logical
[2:34:40] Speaker 15: human beings, see what sorts of things might be divinely
[2:34:46] Speaker 15: inspired and what sorts of things might be. Hey, I'm
[2:34:50] Speaker 15: in this era of where women are this property and
[2:34:55] Speaker 15: we can do whatever we want, and.
[2:34:57] Speaker 2: So it's just based on your feels. Then, Like the
[2:35:01] Speaker 2: laws that I feel that I like, I say they're
[2:35:04] Speaker 2: from God. And the laws that I don't like, the
[2:35:06] Speaker 2: laws that give me the bad feels, I say those
[2:35:08] Speaker 2: didn't come from God.
[2:35:09] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:35:10] Speaker 7: I can see that argument too, But but.
[2:35:12] Speaker 2: That was your argument, wasn't it. What metric are you
[2:35:16] Speaker 2: using when you're reading the Bible to determine which law
[2:35:19] Speaker 2: came from God?
[2:35:21] Speaker 7: What is good and what is not good?
[2:35:25] Speaker 2: How do you know what good is isn't good? Whatever
[2:35:28] Speaker 2: God does.
[2:35:30] Speaker 3: Good is?
[2:35:34] Speaker 15: Yeah, I see, you know, we're kind of going around
[2:35:36] Speaker 15: and around in this stuff. But I would say I
[2:35:43] Speaker 15: don't know, I would say good to me. Good always
[2:35:47] Speaker 15: creates and bad destroys.
[2:35:51] Speaker 2: So every time every time God said to kill somebody,
[2:35:55] Speaker 2: he didn't. Actually he didn't actually do it.
[2:35:58] Speaker 7: He didn't actually kill people people.
[2:36:01] Speaker 2: And the reason in First Samuel fifteen to three, when
[2:36:05] Speaker 2: he sends the prophet to give the command to kill
[2:36:07] Speaker 2: a baby, did this happen? He says, Now, go and
[2:36:11] Speaker 2: attack Amelek and utterly destroy all that they have. Do
[2:36:14] Speaker 2: not spare them, but kill both man and woman child
[2:36:16] Speaker 2: in infant ox and sheep came on, donkey, did that happen?
[2:36:21] Speaker 7: And according to scripture, yes it did.
[2:36:23] Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying in reality, in reality, do you think
[2:36:27] Speaker 2: it happened?
[2:36:29] Speaker 4: Yes?
[2:36:30] Speaker 2: Okay, And so this is God clearly destroying somebody. You
[2:36:33] Speaker 2: said that if it brings destruction, then it probably isn't
[2:36:36] Speaker 2: from God. But this is definitely from God.
[2:36:39] Speaker 7: Okay. And you know, I see how you're kind of like,
[2:36:43] Speaker 7: I'm not saying you're trying to trap me. I mean,
[2:36:45] Speaker 7: maybe you are, but it's no.
[2:36:47] Speaker 2: I'm not trapping you. I'm just proving you're wrong.
[2:36:51] Speaker 7: And what I'm what I'm what I would say here
[2:36:54] Speaker 7: is that, So what were we talking about?
[2:36:59] Speaker 2: Again, right now we are kind of doing two things.
[2:37:03] Speaker 2: Now we're talking about how you determine which parts are
[2:37:06] Speaker 2: from God and which parts are made up by men.
[2:37:08] Speaker 2: But now our second talking point seems obligatory, which is
[2:37:12] Speaker 2: whether or not you think it's good that God kills babies.
[2:37:16] Speaker 15: Of killing even babies. And so what I picture sometimes
[2:37:21] Speaker 15: when I think of these things is there are different
[2:37:25] Speaker 15: types of people that maybe we live in a society
[2:37:28] Speaker 15: where we just accept one another.
[2:37:31] Speaker 7: And we're like we no matter what, we have to
[2:37:35] Speaker 7: get along.
[2:37:36] Speaker 5: We have to.
[2:37:37] Speaker 15: But at the same time, it's like the values that
[2:37:40] Speaker 15: are expressed by some of the extremes versus the other extremes,
[2:37:46] Speaker 15: they shouldn't be next to each other because what they're
[2:37:49] Speaker 15: going to do is corrupt one another.
[2:37:52] Speaker 9: And so.
[2:37:54] Speaker 15: Looking at it from that perspective, is it possible? So
[2:37:58] Speaker 15: this is this is a scenario that I imagine some.
[2:38:02] Speaker 2: I have I have no idea what you're talking about
[2:38:05] Speaker 2: right now, alter ego. So the question was is it
[2:38:08] Speaker 2: ever good to kill a baby?
[2:38:11] Speaker 15: If these if these, if this is a race of
[2:38:13] Speaker 15: demons and there's a little demon baby. Oh it's a
[2:38:17] Speaker 15: cute little demon baby. Oh look at how cute it
[2:38:19] Speaker 15: is and then it grows up and becomes a big giant.
[2:38:22] Speaker 2: Can you can you tell me what what you mean
[2:38:24] Speaker 2: by a race of demons?
[2:38:26] Speaker 15: Well, well, that's what he's trying to say, that these
[2:38:29] Speaker 15: people who are uh uh uh uh just captivated mind
[2:38:35] Speaker 15: controlled by this deity be Molek.
[2:38:39] Speaker 6: Is that what you called him?
[2:38:40] Speaker 2: Uh No, Alek is the king of Garaar in Genesis.
[2:38:44] Speaker 2: That's a that's a different I think you want to me.
[2:38:46] Speaker 2: You probably mean Molek.
[2:38:48] Speaker 15: And they've done they've done all sorts of abominations. Correct, Well, no, no,
[2:38:54] Speaker 15: children don't.
[2:38:55] Speaker 2: Children don't do abominations.
[2:38:57] Speaker 7: But they're going to be raised in that be that
[2:39:00] Speaker 7: and no matter.
[2:39:01] Speaker 2: What you Okay, So just to be clear, then if
[2:39:04] Speaker 2: a child is raised pagan, they can never convert.
[2:39:10] Speaker 7: They can, Okay, I see that argument.
[2:39:13] Speaker 2: That's because isn't the whole point of the Gospel is
[2:39:15] Speaker 2: to go out and convert even the children. So you're
[2:39:18] Speaker 2: saying me that children that are raised in pagan cultures
[2:39:22] Speaker 2: can never convert. That makes Jesus' commanded I saying okay,
[2:39:27] Speaker 2: so okay, So so some of them, certainly, some of
[2:39:30] Speaker 2: them certainly could have converted to Judaism theoretically them.
[2:39:35] Speaker 7: The at that time.
[2:39:36] Speaker 15: Yeah, and and so these these people of Beamleke or whatever.
[2:39:41] Speaker 15: But there's also just this this knowledge that hey, this
[2:39:45] Speaker 15: has been going.
[2:39:46] Speaker 2: On for some time, like okay, so sometimes it is
[2:39:49] Speaker 2: okay to murder babies.
[2:39:51] Speaker 15: Then thousands of years and so there's not gonna be
[2:39:54] Speaker 15: very much more conversion.
[2:39:56] Speaker 16: This is what it is.
[2:39:57] Speaker 2: To be clear, you're saying that sometimes it is okay
[2:40:00] Speaker 2: to murder babies. What you're saying, I'm just.
[2:40:03] Speaker 15: And I'm not saying it's like, okay, let's just imagine
[2:40:08] Speaker 15: a different scenario.
[2:40:09] Speaker 2: You're not saying much. You're using a lot of words
[2:40:12] Speaker 2: to not say much. My question was, are there in
[2:40:16] Speaker 2: fact times and where it's so you're gonna get nailed.
[2:40:19] Speaker 2: Just just just stop fighting, don't clinch. It's gonna hurt
[2:40:23] Speaker 2: no matter what you do.
[2:40:25] Speaker 4: You're what.
[2:40:28] Speaker 2: I've been doing this for a long time. This is
[2:40:30] Speaker 2: this is what I do full time.
[2:40:31] Speaker 5: Now.
[2:40:32] Speaker 15: I've actually debated you a couple of times. And yeah,
[2:40:37] Speaker 15: I don't know, I'm just saying.
[2:40:40] Speaker 14: What.
[2:40:41] Speaker 7: What I'm trying to say though, is that So.
[2:40:45] Speaker 2: To be clear, I'm just waiting for you to admit
[2:40:48] Speaker 2: that sometimes it's okay to in fact murder babies, that
[2:40:53] Speaker 2: that is a solution and okay, So so then I'm
[2:40:57] Speaker 2: still waiting for an answer to the question.
[2:41:00] Speaker 7: Do you remember the murder babies?
[2:41:03] Speaker 2: I said, are there occasions in which it's okay to
[2:41:06] Speaker 2: murder babies?
[2:41:08] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[2:41:08] Speaker 2: I know you're trying to get And that occasion is
[2:41:13] Speaker 2: if God tells you.
[2:41:14] Speaker 5: To right.
[2:41:16] Speaker 7: In the occasion that.
[2:41:20] Speaker 2: I mean, I would like, if you're an ancient Israelite
[2:41:24] Speaker 2: and God tells you to kill the Amalekite babies, would
[2:41:26] Speaker 2: you do it?
[2:41:28] Speaker 5: What's that?
[2:41:29] Speaker 2: If you're an ancient Israelite and God tells you to
[2:41:31] Speaker 2: kill the Amalekite babies, are you going to do it?
[2:41:35] Speaker 7: Like today? And and the I think the reality that
[2:41:39] Speaker 7: you have to think about.
[2:41:40] Speaker 2: No, that wasn't my question. Follow Along, I said, if
[2:41:42] Speaker 2: you're an ancient Israelite. The word ancient entails that it's
[2:41:46] Speaker 2: not today. If you're an ancient Israelite and God tells
[2:41:50] Speaker 2: you to kill the Amalekite babies, are you going to
[2:41:52] Speaker 2: do it?
[2:41:54] Speaker 15: Am I, as an ancient Israelite who believes what I
[2:41:58] Speaker 15: believe and God commands me to do it, I would
[2:42:02] Speaker 15: say yes, I would awesome.
[2:42:04] Speaker 2: And if he told you today this moment to kill
[2:42:07] Speaker 2: a baby, would it be wrong to disobey?
[2:42:10] Speaker 7: Am I still an ancient Israelite?
[2:42:14] Speaker 2: I said today? If it's today, it's entailed that you're
[2:42:18] Speaker 2: not ancient anymore. You didn't live for two thousand years.
[2:42:21] Speaker 2: So you, as a human being right now, as a
[2:42:26] Speaker 2: follower of the same God, if that same God came
[2:42:30] Speaker 2: to you and said I need you to kill a baby,
[2:42:34] Speaker 2: would it be wrong to disobey him?
[2:42:36] Speaker 7: The entire scripture is meant to explain.
[2:42:43] Speaker 2: Story of how, oh, brother, this guy thinks you know
[2:42:50] Speaker 2: that quote? That's a good one, all right? So the
[2:42:53] Speaker 2: question was, if God told you today to kill a baby,
[2:42:59] Speaker 2: would it be wrong to obey?
[2:43:01] Speaker 7: God wouldn't tell me today to kill a baby, all right?
[2:43:04] Speaker 2: Dodge number two? If God did tell you to kill
[2:43:07] Speaker 2: a baby, would it be wrong to disobey?
[2:43:11] Speaker 7: And again I'm just letting you know that the times
[2:43:14] Speaker 7: are different today.
[2:43:16] Speaker 2: Than Dodge number three. I didn't ask you about times.
[2:43:19] Speaker 2: It's a hypothetical. If God did, would it be wrong
[2:43:23] Speaker 2: to disobey him?
[2:43:26] Speaker 15: I would say that, yes, it would be wrong. There
[2:43:30] Speaker 15: you go, And the reasoning behind it is he would
[2:43:34] Speaker 15: know more than I would know, you got it. This
[2:43:39] Speaker 15: is another race of whatever you know?
[2:43:42] Speaker 7: So what do we call him?
[2:43:43] Speaker 2: The Nephiline, their new strain of nepheline, the loser people.
[2:43:50] Speaker 7: What are they called, the ones like Hillary Clinton that
[2:43:52] Speaker 7: changed their face and whatnot.
[2:43:53] Speaker 2: I think they're just called lizard people.
[2:43:55] Speaker 7: Reptilian reptilian shape shifters.
[2:43:58] Speaker 15: If God commanded us to wiped them all out, I
[2:44:03] Speaker 15: would say I would have to say yes if he
[2:44:06] Speaker 15: commanded me, But he probably wouldn't command me. He would
[2:44:09] Speaker 15: command the trained fighters.
[2:44:11] Speaker 9: To do it.
[2:44:12] Speaker 2: Well, it doesn't matter if he would. So if God
[2:44:15] Speaker 2: commanded trained fighters to kill a group of babies, that
[2:44:19] Speaker 2: would be.
[2:44:20] Speaker 5: Yeah, sure, Uh huh.
[2:44:24] Speaker 2: What if God said, imagine alter ego, that you are
[2:44:28] Speaker 2: one of those trained fighters, and God says I need
[2:44:30] Speaker 2: you to go to your orphanage, take all the babies
[2:44:34] Speaker 2: out of the orphanage, and kill the babies. Would it
[2:44:36] Speaker 2: be wrong to disobey?
[2:44:37] Speaker 7: And they're all reptilian shape shifters. I didn't say that
[2:44:41] Speaker 7: because they look human.
[2:44:43] Speaker 2: No, no, they're not reptilian shape shifters. They are, in
[2:44:47] Speaker 2: fact just ancestors of an ancient pagan group. All of
[2:44:52] Speaker 2: their ancestors are pagan they were raised pagan, and they'll
[2:44:56] Speaker 2: probably be continue to be pagan and worship pagan gods,
[2:45:00] Speaker 2: and God says, listen, I'm done. I'm done with these
[2:45:03] Speaker 2: I'm done with these people. I want you to wipe
[2:45:05] Speaker 2: them out. Alter ego? Would it be wrong to disobey?
[2:45:09] Speaker 7: The argument that I would put here is that there must.
[2:45:12] Speaker 2: I actually don't want an argument. I want an answer
[2:45:14] Speaker 2: to the question. Would it be wrong to disobey that command?
[2:45:18] Speaker 2: Would it be wrong to disobey the command? Is the question?
[2:45:22] Speaker 7: Yes, it would be wrong. You would need to obey that.
[2:45:25] Speaker 15: There you go.
[2:45:28] Speaker 2: That's right, you got it. And then if this is
[2:45:32] Speaker 2: the last question, and I know you don't want to
[2:45:34] Speaker 2: answer it, but I'll make you do it anyways, if
[2:45:37] Speaker 2: God told you before you burn down the orphanage, actually
[2:45:40] Speaker 2: take the babies out of it, put them into the
[2:45:43] Speaker 2: meat grinder. No no, no, no, you can kill them
[2:45:48] Speaker 2: painlessly and then throw them in the meat grinder. And
[2:45:50] Speaker 2: then what I what I need you to do is
[2:45:53] Speaker 2: to make some of that that make some Oh no,
[2:45:57] Speaker 2: not pat no, that's too easy. What I want you
[2:45:59] Speaker 2: to do is make a little popcorn ceiling out of him.
[2:46:03] Speaker 2: Jet puff them and turn them into popcorn ceiling and
[2:46:06] Speaker 2: then splatter it on your ceiling for texture. Would that
[2:46:09] Speaker 2: be the right thing to do as a.
[2:46:11] Speaker 7: As a constant reminder for anyone who enters that room.
[2:46:15] Speaker 7: I don't think. I honestly don't think that that would
[2:46:18] Speaker 7: be something that would be commanded.
[2:46:19] Speaker 2: Again, I didn't ask you if he would command it.
[2:46:21] Speaker 7: Indeed, I don't know how. Like that's how chain of
[2:46:25] Speaker 7: command works, you know what I mean?
[2:46:27] Speaker 2: Like, I know That's why I asked the question, because
[2:46:30] Speaker 2: I know the answer to the question the chain of
[2:46:32] Speaker 2: command works, and that you can't disobey God. But I would,
[2:46:37] Speaker 2: I would let you. I do have to let you
[2:46:38] Speaker 2: down now and tell you that there is a path
[2:46:41] Speaker 2: forward for saying no, because God could be testing you
[2:46:45] Speaker 2: to know if in fact you're a detestable human being,
[2:46:48] Speaker 2: and it could just be a test to see if
[2:46:49] Speaker 2: you're gonna do something horrible. And so you don't actually
[2:46:52] Speaker 2: have to say yes to God. You can stand on
[2:46:54] Speaker 2: your own ground and say, you know what, God, I'm
[2:46:56] Speaker 2: not down with killing babies. That makes me very uncomfortable.
[2:46:59] Speaker 2: I'm not going to do it.
[2:47:00] Speaker 7: I disagree with you.
[2:47:00] Speaker 2: And if God was, I know, well he did. Abraham
[2:47:06] Speaker 2: by wanting to kill his own son. Yeah, I get
[2:47:10] Speaker 2: you with that, but okay, well it's already over. You
[2:47:13] Speaker 2: already committed to baby paste, my friend, come back and
[2:47:15] Speaker 2: play again some other time. Okay, I'll at least he
[2:47:20] Speaker 2: was honest with it.
[2:47:21] Speaker 9: I do.
[2:47:21] Speaker 2: I do appreciate when they're honest with the baby paste
[2:47:24] Speaker 2: to be fair, you know, I appreciate someone who's going
[2:47:27] Speaker 2: to be honest. Oh well, we grab a couple of
[2:47:30] Speaker 2: super chats, we'll get our next guest in here. Friend,
[2:47:32] Speaker 2: thank you so much for being here. Is it Wednesday night?
[2:47:35] Speaker 16: Already?
[2:47:37] Speaker 2: No, it's Monday night, So fuck it's it's Monday night.
[2:47:41] Speaker 2: I'm so not used to going live on Sunday nights.
[2:47:43] Speaker 2: I'm losing my mind. I'm used to going on AXP
[2:47:47] Speaker 2: or on the Line on Sunday nights and then doing
[2:47:49] Speaker 2: my own thing on Monday. But I went live yesterday
[2:47:51] Speaker 2: because I wasn't live on XP or on the Line,
[2:47:54] Speaker 2: so I was like, fuck, I'll do my own live uh,
[2:47:57] Speaker 2: and then and then now I'm all messed up. I'm
[2:48:00] Speaker 2: just all messed up. Convict Killer has perfectly undefeated Christian
[2:48:05] Speaker 2: defense dodge duck dip dive dodge duck dip dive in dodge.
[2:48:11] Speaker 2: But remember, kids, if you can dodge a question, you
[2:48:13] Speaker 2: can dodge a God. That is the case. That's a
[2:48:16] Speaker 2: good modified quote from the Dodgeball movie. I do love
[2:48:20] Speaker 2: the Dodgeball movie, by the way, and Foul, we thank
[2:48:23] Speaker 2: you for the twenty dollars super chat, my friend. Something
[2:48:26] Speaker 2: rarely said about divine command theory and atrocities is believers
[2:48:29] Speaker 2: don't get a personal visit from God. They must unlive children,
[2:48:33] Speaker 2: trusting God, claims from priests, general's kings, et cetera. This
[2:48:37] Speaker 2: is such a good point. Oh my god, I can't
[2:48:42] Speaker 2: believe that this has never come up in conversation. But
[2:48:45] Speaker 2: you're a million percent right. God isn't telling these people
[2:48:48] Speaker 2: to do it. God is sending a person, and then
[2:48:52] Speaker 2: that person is saying, here's what God said, and you
[2:48:55] Speaker 2: just have to believe me. And in fact, if you
[2:48:57] Speaker 2: don't obey me, he punishes you for it. In the
[2:49:01] Speaker 2: Book of Kings, there are two separate individuals that get
[2:49:04] Speaker 2: punished for not obeying the words of a prophet. Even
[2:49:09] Speaker 2: though one thought he was being tricked and number two
[2:49:13] Speaker 2: was just trying to be a decent human being. God
[2:49:15] Speaker 2: had both of them eaten by lions because they disobeyed
[2:49:18] Speaker 2: the prophet or disobeyed the prophetic command. Crazy insane Beck.
[2:49:24] Speaker 2: Maybe we'll talk about that tonight. Design I'm certain that
[2:49:28] Speaker 2: actual free will looks like Bill Murray in Groundhog Day.
[2:49:32] Speaker 2: A god not the god that seems to be. That
[2:49:35] Speaker 2: seems to be a case. Which, by the way, do
[2:49:39] Speaker 2: young folks still watch that movie around ground and hoog Day?
[2:49:42] Speaker 2: I remember when I was younger, we would watch that
[2:49:44] Speaker 2: every year for Groundhog Day. I think that tradition's done.
[2:49:47] Speaker 2: I don't think Bill Murray's in vogue anymore, but it
[2:49:50] Speaker 2: was fun while lasted singer thank you for the ten
[2:49:53] Speaker 2: hour supertest says a little late but personal request. Can
[2:49:56] Speaker 2: you give one of the Christians Malachi two to three
[2:49:58] Speaker 2: and see if there will to concede that punishment via
[2:50:01] Speaker 2: poo smera is good? Okay, so for those who don't
[2:50:03] Speaker 2: know and Malochi two three, God talks about punishing the
[2:50:07] Speaker 2: people by smearing poop on their faces. It's a wild verse.
[2:50:10] Speaker 2: It's similar to like Jeremiah and elsewhere he talks about
[2:50:13] Speaker 2: lifting up the skirts of the people and exposing them,
[2:50:17] Speaker 2: or like in uh in the Leviticus twenty six talks
[2:50:21] Speaker 2: about how they's gonna cannibalize their children. The punishments that
[2:50:24] Speaker 2: yahweh meters out are are pretty wild. This is this
[2:50:28] Speaker 2: is one of them. The smearing, the pooh we should
[2:50:30] Speaker 2: talk about that and humbre lay think of our supertestas
[2:50:34] Speaker 2: thanks for the work you do. I appreciate your patience
[2:50:36] Speaker 2: for debate and your knowledge of the book. Also, the
[2:50:39] Speaker 2: kidney cuddles put a much needed smile on my face.
[2:50:42] Speaker 2: Yea for godless heathen cats, I know, and all all
[2:50:45] Speaker 2: cats are without without a God. Oh look, my life
[2:50:49] Speaker 2: is restricted now on TikTok. Your live is not eligible
[2:50:52] Speaker 2: for recommendation and restricted in search results because your live
[2:50:56] Speaker 2: does not comply with the four you feed eligibility standard
[2:51:00] Speaker 2: words under our community guidelines. Reason misinformation that may cause
[2:51:04] Speaker 2: moderate harm. What the fuck is the misinformation that's gonna
[2:51:08] Speaker 2: cause moderate harm? I'm literally doing the opposite of that,
[2:51:14] Speaker 2: you jackasses at TikTok. This is why AI should never
[2:51:19] Speaker 2: take over society. It's never never gonna happen, never gonna happen.
[2:51:24] Speaker 2: It's too dumb, it's too stupid. They can't get shipp right,
[2:51:27] Speaker 2: they can't even understand language. Lock free you thank you
[2:51:30] Speaker 2: for the ten dollar supertest says that's how chain of
[2:51:32] Speaker 2: command works Ultra soldiers at Nuremberg. Yes, yes, listen, the
[2:51:38] Speaker 2: Nazi soldiers were just following the chain of command. What
[2:51:42] Speaker 2: could we do? What can we do? You know well
[2:51:45] Speaker 2: that you have to follow orders. If we learned anything
[2:51:48] Speaker 2: from a few good men that you gotta follow orders. Okay, Well,
[2:51:53] Speaker 2: we'll get another guest up here from YouTube. We're not
[2:51:55] Speaker 2: gonna have any more TikTok guests left because TikTok is
[2:51:58] Speaker 2: now uh prevented my livestream from from being seen. TikTok's
[2:52:08] Speaker 2: fucking waste the waste, right, John, welcome in? Are you
[2:52:13] Speaker 2: at least eighteen? And do you believe in God?
[2:52:15] Speaker 4: Yes?
[2:52:16] Speaker 5: And yes?
[2:52:17] Speaker 2: Right Johnny? Who we talked before? No, sure we haven't.
[2:52:21] Speaker 2: Oh interesting, your voice sounds familiar, Okay, John? Do you
[2:52:24] Speaker 2: believe that God is all good? Partially good or maybe
[2:52:27] Speaker 2: I don't know a combination of a good and also dickhead? Uh?
[2:52:32] Speaker 13: He is all good. He is the best God, He's
[2:52:34] Speaker 13: the only God, and he is king.
[2:52:37] Speaker 2: He is the best. I'm sure here, I am. Do
[2:52:39] Speaker 2: you think that like it should ever, like the punishment
[2:52:43] Speaker 2: for any crime should ever be cannibalize your children.
[2:52:49] Speaker 13: Well, no, no, you don't want to ever cannibalize your children.
[2:52:53] Speaker 14: No, but God, here's the thing in the Old Testament,
[2:52:56] Speaker 14: when God was telling you that to what I for
[2:53:00] Speaker 14: him to sacrifice, Isaac.
[2:53:02] Speaker 2: No, well I didn't say sacrifice is a cannibalize. Cannibalize
[2:53:06] Speaker 2: your children means you eat them?
[2:53:09] Speaker 13: Yeah, no, I know, cannibalized.
[2:53:10] Speaker 14: Yes, but no, God would never tell anyone to cannibalize
[2:53:14] Speaker 14: because in the Bible, God was the ultimate sacrifice too,
[2:53:16] Speaker 14: and it's not even just sacrificing. God wouldn't tell anyone
[2:53:19] Speaker 14: to do cannibalism.
[2:53:21] Speaker 2: No, he certainly does. If you're a Catholic, he commands
[2:53:24] Speaker 2: you to do cannibalism because the literal body and blood.
[2:53:27] Speaker 2: But he does actually cause cannibalism. You want to see it.
[2:53:32] Speaker 13: So many words says that.
[2:53:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's in actually quite a few verses. But my
[2:53:37] Speaker 2: favoriteism from Jeremiah. You had Jeremiah. He talked about the
[2:53:40] Speaker 2: punishment he's gonna bring on the Israelites and says, I
[2:53:42] Speaker 2: will make them eat the flesh of their sons and
[2:53:44] Speaker 2: the flesh of their daughters, and all shall eat the
[2:53:46] Speaker 2: flesh of their neighbors in the siege and in the
[2:53:49] Speaker 2: distress which their enemies and those who seek their life
[2:53:52] Speaker 2: afflict them. So God's gonna punish them so severely that
[2:53:56] Speaker 2: he causes them to eat the flesh of their children.
[2:54:00] Speaker 13: Okay, but listen, this is in Jeremiah.
[2:54:04] Speaker 14: It's not sick because nowadays, and when God says he's
[2:54:08] Speaker 14: he's the best God of all time, He's not gonna
[2:54:11] Speaker 14: say eat your children or your children.
[2:54:13] Speaker 13: He's not gonna.
[2:54:15] Speaker 2: He just said he is. I will make them eat
[2:54:18] Speaker 2: the flesh of their sons and the flesh of their daughters.
[2:54:21] Speaker 2: How else can you take that? Words have meanings?
[2:54:23] Speaker 8: Man?
[2:54:24] Speaker 13: I know, but noway, God isn't like that. Jesus was
[2:54:28] Speaker 13: the ultimate sacrifice.
[2:54:29] Speaker 2: And I don't care about that. I'm asking Jeremiah was
[2:54:32] Speaker 2: the ever in a case, it doesn't matter if it's
[2:54:34] Speaker 2: an old testament, God did it.
[2:54:35] Speaker 6: He said.
[2:54:35] Speaker 2: Does God's character here it comes the crash out? Does
[2:54:39] Speaker 2: God's character change?
[2:54:42] Speaker 4: What do you mean?
[2:54:43] Speaker 2: Does God's character change?
[2:54:46] Speaker 4: Well?
[2:54:47] Speaker 13: It kind of well, Jesus is Jesus is God.
[2:54:50] Speaker 14: So when he sacrificed, his character changed character, not his
[2:54:54] Speaker 14: plan his character.
[2:54:56] Speaker 2: Does his character change?
[2:54:57] Speaker 13: No, his character does not change because he is.
[2:54:59] Speaker 2: Okay, So is it within his character to cause cannibalism? No,
[2:55:04] Speaker 2: it's not.
[2:55:05] Speaker 13: It's not in his okay, unless.
[2:55:09] Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Did God not have a character in the
[2:55:12] Speaker 2: Old Testament?
[2:55:13] Speaker 13: He did have a character. I'm not saying, okay, Jesus,
[2:55:16] Speaker 13: I don't know.
[2:55:16] Speaker 2: In Jeremiah in nineteen nine, was it within God's character
[2:55:20] Speaker 2: to do the things he said he's doing?
[2:55:22] Speaker 13: Once again, it was an Old Testament?
[2:55:25] Speaker 5: Yeah?
[2:55:25] Speaker 14: I know?
[2:55:26] Speaker 2: What is it still God? Is it still God?
[2:55:29] Speaker 13: It's still God?
[2:55:30] Speaker 2: Is okay? So Jeremiah nineteen is talking about God?
[2:55:34] Speaker 8: Is it not?
[2:55:37] Speaker 2: No, Jesus died all try this again, Try this again.
[2:55:40] Speaker 2: In Jeremiah, the verse on the board listen, talking about
[2:55:44] Speaker 2: Jesus is meaningless. Here we all know the story. All
[2:55:47] Speaker 2: you're doing is wasting your breath. We want to talk
[2:55:49] Speaker 2: about the actual text Jeremiah nineteen nine. God says, I
[2:55:53] Speaker 2: will make them eat the flesh of their sons and
[2:55:56] Speaker 2: the flesh of their daughters. So what that means is
[2:55:59] Speaker 2: that it is with in God's character to cause cannibalism.
[2:56:03] Speaker 2: And if God's character is unchanging, that just means it's
[2:56:07] Speaker 2: always within his characters cannibalized.
[2:56:11] Speaker 13: Obviously, No, I don't.
[2:56:12] Speaker 2: I don't misunderstand the text.
[2:56:14] Speaker 13: It's those who will like not follow him in any way.
[2:56:19] Speaker 2: You didn't even know that this text existed in Jeremiah.
[2:56:23] Speaker 13: I haven't said that.
[2:56:24] Speaker 2: You didn't even know that this text existed, which is
[2:56:27] Speaker 2: why you don't know the context, and I do. Who's
[2:56:30] Speaker 2: being punished in this verse?
[2:56:33] Speaker 13: You were going to be punished if you don't accept God.
[2:56:35] Speaker 2: Know who's being punished in Jeremiah nineteen ninety John, we
[2:56:38] Speaker 2: all know the gospel. No one gives a fuck about
[2:56:41] Speaker 2: the gospel. We've all heard it five thousand times, including
[2:56:43] Speaker 2: John three sixteen. Is not going to save a single
[2:56:45] Speaker 2: person here. If you want to save a soul right now,
[2:56:48] Speaker 2: you focus on the actual conversation. Jeremiah nineteen nine is
[2:56:53] Speaker 2: a punishment for who.
[2:56:56] Speaker 13: Well, obviously it was they in the Old Testament. They
[2:57:01] Speaker 13: did that, and but they said.
[2:57:02] Speaker 2: It in zarahmid John, who name the people that are
[2:57:05] Speaker 2: being punished? John want me talk?
[2:57:07] Speaker 13: You're obviously that's because.
[2:57:10] Speaker 2: Well now you're muted. So the reason why you're getting muted,
[2:57:13] Speaker 2: child is because you want to preach, and we're not
[2:57:17] Speaker 2: here for preaching. I can go to a Sunday sermon.
[2:57:20] Speaker 2: If I want to hear preaching, I want to dialogue
[2:57:23] Speaker 2: with somebody about what the book says. If you're not
[2:57:26] Speaker 2: capable of dialoguing about the current passage on the screen,
[2:57:31] Speaker 2: you've stumbled into the wrong place. This is not youth group.
[2:57:35] Speaker 2: So we'll try this again.
[2:57:36] Speaker 13: I'm saying this is youth group. I'm trying to tell you.
[2:57:38] Speaker 2: That no, you're not John, You're preaching. We all fucking
[2:57:42] Speaker 2: know it. We're a Christian longer than you've been alive.
[2:57:45] Speaker 2: So we'll try this for the last time. You don't
[2:57:46] Speaker 2: get three chances. Okay, do you want to talk about
[2:57:49] Speaker 2: the passage on the board or do you want to preach?
[2:57:53] Speaker 13: I want to do both.
[2:57:54] Speaker 2: Okay, Well tell you what I'll give you. I'm going
[2:57:56] Speaker 2: to give you two solid minutes to preach, and then
[2:57:58] Speaker 2: after that we're talking about the deal.
[2:58:01] Speaker 13: Okay, Yeah, de Yeah, I'm honestly down to talk.
[2:58:05] Speaker 2: Okay, get the fuck out her. You know I'm not
[2:58:07] Speaker 2: gonna let you preachy idiot.
[2:58:08] Speaker 14: All right?
[2:58:10] Speaker 2: He was maybe twelve at best, maybe twelve al right. Uh.
[2:58:16] Speaker 2: In fact, I guess we'll write John down to John.
[2:58:18] Speaker 2: We got a lot of clips tonight, Holy shit, John,
[2:58:23] Speaker 2: and we'll just write gets two minutes to preach, fair enough,
[2:58:29] Speaker 2: all right, and uh we'll move on, hopefully to a
[2:58:31] Speaker 2: full grown adult that has already cut the umbilical cord
[2:58:34] Speaker 2: and testes have descended. Uh piranha, good to see it,
[2:58:37] Speaker 2: says rant by bo Burnham. By the way, is one
[2:58:39] Speaker 2: of my favorite atheist jams. Rant by Bo Burnham is unbelievable,
[2:58:44] Speaker 2: best lyric. The father reads a little bit further, assuring
[2:58:47] Speaker 2: the assured that they need not bother. Doug saw my
[2:58:51] Speaker 2: thun tiger tarantula through meeting a female. Well, hell fucking yeah,
[2:58:55] Speaker 2: that's what I'm talking about. Hope you hope there's some
[2:58:58] Speaker 2: you know, some baby bliss going on there. And Carlos,
[2:59:02] Speaker 2: my friend, great to see you. Hope you're doing well.
[2:59:06] Speaker 2: And thank you so much for sending out twenty DEZ
[2:59:09] Speaker 2: Debate memberships. That is huge, my friend, twenty of them,
[2:59:13] Speaker 2: Thank you so much. And Locke furry back in the chat,
[2:59:16] Speaker 2: says caller, just tacitly admitted to multiple gods. Best god
[2:59:20] Speaker 2: of all time. Thanks John, You're a genius. That was
[2:59:23] Speaker 2: not somebody who was prepared for the conversation. He stumbled in,
[2:59:27] Speaker 2: thinking he was going to frantically like shout the gospel
[2:59:31] Speaker 2: at everybody and save the entire room. That is a
[2:59:35] Speaker 2: young man that is completely confused about what's happening. And
[2:59:38] Speaker 2: another one from locker because I know you're trying to
[2:59:40] Speaker 2: get me to answer, but I won't. Ultra, not altra,
[2:59:45] Speaker 2: probably ultra literally that is the case, and design says
[2:59:49] Speaker 2: what makes the God doesn't want robots crowd so eager
[2:59:52] Speaker 2: to follow orders to baby paste. I know the same
[2:59:56] Speaker 2: people that says God doesn't want robots will also say
[2:59:59] Speaker 2: if I don't fucking ca kill babies for my God,
[3:00:01] Speaker 2: I'm doing the wrong thing. It's it's preposterous design, It
[3:00:06] Speaker 2: is preposterous. God doesn't want robots, but he will light
[3:00:12] Speaker 2: you on fire for literally all of eternity if you
[3:00:15] Speaker 2: don't obey him perfectly. So it sounds like he does
[3:00:19] Speaker 2: want robots. Oh listen, friends, I can't stay up super
[3:00:22] Speaker 2: late tonight. I've got a jam packed week this week
[3:00:26] Speaker 2: of doing doing work on other projects and on other channels.
[3:00:33] Speaker 2: In fact, Thursday, I'm gonna be on the Unholier podcast
[3:00:37] Speaker 2: with our friend Jennifer, so be for the fact I'll
[3:00:39] Speaker 2: be live Wednesday night, of course, but I can't stay
[3:00:42] Speaker 2: up late tonight, so I'm gonna use the restroom and
[3:00:45] Speaker 2: read some super chats. We'll be live again Wednesday night.
[3:00:49] Speaker 2: I'll be on the Holier podcast. Thursday, I'll be live
[3:00:53] Speaker 2: again on Friday night. I'll be live again on Sunday night.
[3:00:58] Speaker 2: So we'll get lots of live time this week. Don't
[3:01:00] Speaker 2: worry visit.
[3:01:01] Speaker 5: You know.
[3:01:01] Speaker 2: I know there are some people who try to catch
[3:01:04] Speaker 2: me late at night because I stream intol like a
[3:01:06] Speaker 2: million hours late in the evening. But sometimes sometimes I
[3:01:11] Speaker 2: do actually have to get some rests. So let me
[3:01:13] Speaker 2: use Russia with real quick friends, and then I'm gonna
[3:01:15] Speaker 2: go ahead and read some super chats and we'll close
[3:01:18] Speaker 2: out our recession. Also, I was thinking, I'm pondering a
[3:02:29] Speaker 2: topic that I don't want to say it dabbles in
[3:02:32] Speaker 2: the political, but I think that it might have a
[3:02:36] Speaker 2: tiny fraction of crossover. I I didn't do it last year,
[3:02:40] Speaker 2: but I really want to do a topic just to
[3:02:43] Speaker 2: like piss off like white conservatives that like specifically watch
[3:02:48] Speaker 2: Fox News and o an, I really want to do
[3:02:52] Speaker 2: a Jesus was black. I'm not sorry. Well that too.
[3:02:56] Speaker 2: Jesus and Santa were both black because in reality in
[3:02:59] Speaker 2: his friends, neither Jesus nor Santa were white. They did
[3:03:04] Speaker 2: not look like me. All those pictures you've seen of
[3:03:08] Speaker 2: Santa white skin, white beard. The man was from fucking Turkey.
[3:03:14] Speaker 2: He was not white. Jesus was from Palestine, he was
[3:03:19] Speaker 2: not white. I will never understand why white American Christians
[3:03:25] Speaker 2: feel the need to make Jesus white. It drives me insane.
[3:03:28] Speaker 2: I don't know if it's a good enough topic for
[3:03:31] Speaker 2: a live stream, but it's something that I always want
[3:03:34] Speaker 2: to talk about. I don't know how to bring it up,
[3:03:37] Speaker 2: but like Christians that at some point have to grasp
[3:03:40] Speaker 2: onto this like they've got to They got to figure
[3:03:42] Speaker 2: some shit out. You can't say that the Bible is
[3:03:44] Speaker 2: like historically accurate. Christianity has like this deep history and
[3:03:49] Speaker 2: to ignore some of the most fundamental factors of the
[3:03:53] Speaker 2: of the actual history that we have. Yeah, Santa Claus,
[3:03:58] Speaker 2: Saint Nicholas. By the way, Saint Nicholas was modeled after
[3:04:02] Speaker 2: a real Christian saint. The dude was not white. He
[3:04:07] Speaker 2: was from Turkey anyways, And this is the thought I
[3:04:12] Speaker 2: get every Christmas. S DA says tithings for the One
[3:04:16] Speaker 2: True God. Doug All Hill Doug, thank you so much.
[3:04:20] Speaker 2: Doug approves and exists, Asolf says, Doug revealed to me
[3:04:24] Speaker 2: that Hora's streams is the one well listen deck couldn't
[3:04:29] Speaker 2: be from Doug. Ask again, ask for real divine revelation
[3:04:33] Speaker 2: because Doug is omnis stream and doctor Wasamble says Vert
[3:04:38] Speaker 2: Now as I'm still seated, I will go whores soon.
[3:04:42] Speaker 2: That's what I'm talking about. That's the crossover we need.
[3:04:45] Speaker 2: Doctor Wasmble, thank you for that. And Martin says, should
[3:04:49] Speaker 2: I argue with the JW people I meet every day,
[3:04:52] Speaker 2: I mean it could be fun. I'm torn.
[3:04:59] Speaker 4: Okay, so.
[3:05:02] Speaker 2: Let me tell you why. Most of the JW's I
[3:05:07] Speaker 2: know grew up in it. They've because they've been like
[3:05:10] Speaker 2: indoctrinated into the calls. Most of the ones I've seen
[3:05:14] Speaker 2: doing the missionary work, they don't want to be doing it.
[3:05:18] Speaker 2: They're doing it because their church compels them to do it.
[3:05:22] Speaker 2: So I almost feel bad for some of them. If
[3:05:25] Speaker 2: I get some JWS that show up and like it's
[3:05:27] Speaker 2: clear that they're out really wanting to win souls because
[3:05:30] Speaker 2: they believe this bullshit, yeah I'll definitely argue with them.
[3:05:34] Speaker 2: But if they're just like a really nice individual that
[3:05:36] Speaker 2: I can tell is like reluctantly just doing it because
[3:05:40] Speaker 2: their church makes them. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna
[3:05:42] Speaker 2: argue with them. I might, we might have a little
[3:05:45] Speaker 2: bit dialogue, but I'm not gonna give them a hard time. Remember, friends,
[3:05:48] Speaker 2: you only have to cook the assholes. You don't have
[3:05:50] Speaker 2: to cook everybody in your life that believes. If there
[3:05:53] Speaker 2: are nice people in your life that believe in these
[3:05:55] Speaker 2: religions and they're not hurting anyone, you don't have to
[3:05:59] Speaker 2: cook them. I mean you can if the opportunity to
[3:06:02] Speaker 2: rise is, but you don't have to. Mike Bone says
[3:06:05] Speaker 2: mosh Pits named for Moses per the Book of Stripper.
[3:06:09] Speaker 2: Oh of course, yes, the one and only almost original
[3:06:13] Speaker 2: Christian rock band. I think Petra beat them to it, right,
[3:06:16] Speaker 2: didn't Petra start before Stripper? Now we're going deep in
[3:06:20] Speaker 2: some old school Christian lore, and I'm showing my age here.
[3:06:24] Speaker 2: I actually used to have a Petra album just saying
[3:06:28] Speaker 2: it did include God gave rock and roll to you obviously.
[3:06:32] Speaker 2: I mean, if you own a vinyl album of Petra
[3:06:36] Speaker 2: and it doesn't include God gave rock and roll to you,
[3:06:39] Speaker 2: he did you really own a Petra album. I don't
[3:06:41] Speaker 2: know if you did. Doctor Fudges heads up sleeping kitty
[3:06:44] Speaker 2: behind Sharon Stone.
[3:06:45] Speaker 3: I know.
[3:06:48] Speaker 2: Volta demands to be on display. He demands the attention.
[3:06:55] Speaker 2: You know, he wants to get up here and you know,
[3:06:58] Speaker 2: play in the fluff. Actually now, actually, now he over here,
[3:07:01] Speaker 2: he actually got down. Let me show you. He finally
[3:07:04] Speaker 2: got off the shelf and it's on the perch. Although
[3:07:07] Speaker 2: it's probably temporary, probably short, short lived if I had to,
[3:07:11] Speaker 2: if I had to guess, But you can't see it
[3:07:13] Speaker 2: on the vertical stream just yet until I move it.
[3:07:16] Speaker 2: There we go, maybe up here, there you go. Oh,
[3:07:19] Speaker 2: now he's gone, I see too late. Bolton never stays
[3:07:22] Speaker 2: put for very long. He's He's much more rambunctious than Faraday.
[3:07:28] Speaker 2: I'd say Faara Day is a little more caged. Somebody
[3:07:32] Speaker 2: in the chat gave me that joke. Thank you, Doctor
[3:07:35] Speaker 2: Fudge for the super chat. Good to see him.
[3:07:37] Speaker 9: F C.
[3:07:38] Speaker 2: Baker says, most boring Q and A to start hid questions.
[3:07:41] Speaker 2: I know, friends, I love you, but please do respect
[3:07:46] Speaker 2: the boundaries of the live stream. This is a debate
[3:07:48] Speaker 2: live stream. I will tolerate some people that I know
[3:07:53] Speaker 2: are in the throes of deconstruction. But unless you're really struggling,
[3:07:56] Speaker 2: please please don't call in. We're here for debates. If
[3:08:00] Speaker 2: you just wanted to ask questions, I mean, you can
[3:08:04] Speaker 2: DM me.
[3:08:05] Speaker 13: I don't.
[3:08:05] Speaker 2: I mean I typically get my emails and dms answered
[3:08:09] Speaker 2: within a week or so, but so obviously it's not
[3:08:12] Speaker 2: quite as fast, but I get a lot of them. Jay,
[3:08:14] Speaker 2: I'm thinking for the thumbs up, and doctor wassemble for
[3:08:17] Speaker 2: the additional supertest says Steven is kind of cool, but
[3:08:19] Speaker 2: also not after five minutes. I know I like Steven,
[3:08:23] Speaker 2: but that's that's kind of what I'm saying. Some people
[3:08:25] Speaker 2: are really in the throes of deconstruction, and Steven is
[3:08:29] Speaker 2: one of them. If I can be here for Steven
[3:08:31] Speaker 2: to guide him to a soft landing, I hope to
[3:08:35] Speaker 2: do it. And Jennifer says I love the deconstruction stories.
[3:08:38] Speaker 2: Well the problem listen, I do so. Like when I
[3:08:43] Speaker 2: first started my YouTube channel, I was doing some deconstruction stories,
[3:08:48] Speaker 2: but the reality is not a lot of people love them.
[3:08:50] Speaker 2: I love them, but not everyone does. Game Guy thinking
[3:08:54] Speaker 2: for the supertest says that must be a record time
[3:08:55] Speaker 2: for baby paste. I know we got a bunch of
[3:08:58] Speaker 2: them today in record time. We really squeezed it out
[3:09:03] Speaker 2: of him. We didn't do gogurt baby pace. We should
[3:09:06] Speaker 2: have done go That joke would have been better if
[3:09:08] Speaker 2: we had done gogret baby paste. Doctor Wasamba coming again,
[3:09:11] Speaker 2: says he walked right into pace. The pastry EU standards
[3:09:19] Speaker 2: they always do. They really set themselves up. You know,
[3:09:23] Speaker 2: they blame me. Well, you're trying to trap me. I'm
[3:09:25] Speaker 2: really not half these people are walking into it and space.
[3:09:29] Speaker 2: Lord's is caller. I drove the Christianity bus into the wall. Sure,
[3:09:33] Speaker 2: but at least I didn't blink when I did it. Yeah,
[3:09:36] Speaker 2: that is the case. I did what God told me
[3:09:40] Speaker 2: to do without any reservation. Aren't you proud?
[3:09:42] Speaker 4: God.
[3:09:43] Speaker 2: I can't wait till they get to the pearly gates
[3:09:46] Speaker 2: and God's like I was testing to you to see
[3:09:48] Speaker 2: if you were a piece of shit, and turns out
[3:09:49] Speaker 2: you're a piece of shit. Lynn says, I'm paying my
[3:09:52] Speaker 2: tie to thank you for helping honest deconstruction Christians work
[3:09:56] Speaker 2: through their process sending love to those kiddies. Well, thank you,
[3:09:59] Speaker 2: lynnppreciate that. And I do like when I sense that
[3:10:03] Speaker 2: there's a caller who really is deep in it. I'm
[3:10:06] Speaker 2: going to help. I realize it's boring for the chat,
[3:10:08] Speaker 2: but I am going to help them. So but when
[3:10:12] Speaker 2: I sense that there are people who are willing to
[3:10:14] Speaker 2: murder babies and rape women, I'm going to corner them
[3:10:19] Speaker 2: and make fun of them and probably call them bad names,
[3:10:22] Speaker 2: because let's be honest, if you're pro raping women and
[3:10:25] Speaker 2: murdering babies, that's kind of what you deserve. That's what's happening.
[3:10:29] Speaker 2: The Coole says too in the baby Killer Counter, take
[3:10:33] Speaker 2: my head at Doug Blass, I knows the cool we
[3:10:35] Speaker 2: had more than more than two. As the live stream
[3:10:38] Speaker 2: went on, and Stray says, you need to undergo some
[3:10:41] Speaker 2: evolution so that poor kitty can eat or is for life?
[3:10:45] Speaker 2: Excuse them as real Listen, both of the kiddies eat
[3:10:48] Speaker 2: their fill multiple times a day. I haven't an automatic feeder,
[3:10:53] Speaker 2: and they don't eat all the food that's automatically dispensed.
[3:10:56] Speaker 2: They get five meals a day and they don't even finish.
[3:10:59] Speaker 2: I have to keep putting it back in, and I'm
[3:11:01] Speaker 2: supplementing with wet food. This kitten is not hungry. This
[3:11:06] Speaker 2: kitten thinks nursing is it's pacifying some kittens nurse too
[3:11:13] Speaker 2: long because they're not getting out of nutrients. Some of
[3:11:17] Speaker 2: them nurse because they like that bonding, that mother kitten bonding,
[3:11:23] Speaker 2: and so it's not always about food. And these kittens, unfortunately,
[3:11:26] Speaker 2: we're taken from their mother, probably right at birth. I
[3:11:28] Speaker 2: don't know much of their backstory, but I know that
[3:11:30] Speaker 2: they end up at the shelter when they're like a
[3:11:32] Speaker 2: week old. So the reality is, unfortunately, you know, the
[3:11:38] Speaker 2: kittens are doing the best they can given the life
[3:11:41] Speaker 2: that they were given. And one of them still wants
[3:11:44] Speaker 2: to buckle, and one of them's done. One of them's
[3:11:47] Speaker 2: already done with that. He didn't I don't know if
[3:11:50] Speaker 2: he ever did it at all. Only one of them did.
[3:11:52] Speaker 2: They're brothers. By the way, Bora says, we already have
[3:11:56] Speaker 2: two child and a livers already. Time to start up
[3:11:58] Speaker 2: a counter What a start to the live love the
[3:12:01] Speaker 2: channel as always rock hard for Doug. You know what,
[3:12:03] Speaker 2: that is a good point long time ago, back when
[3:12:07] Speaker 2: I was a young streamer, Skits and Bits used to
[3:12:12] Speaker 2: do that. He would do a deny or condemn or
[3:12:15] Speaker 2: affirm on particular Bible passages, and he would just keep
[3:12:19] Speaker 2: a counter up and see how many Christians he could
[3:12:21] Speaker 2: get to affirm the most horrific passages in the Bible.
[3:12:26] Speaker 2: Maybe it's time to do that again. I love Skitztall,
[3:12:29] Speaker 2: I miss you, buddy. Hope you're doing well. Game says
[3:12:34] Speaker 2: we're grilling tonight. Put a one in the chat. If
[3:12:37] Speaker 2: you are in the wide Kirby horse denomination, thick horse.
[3:12:45] Speaker 2: I do love me some thick horse. What kind of say?
[3:12:50] Speaker 2: Oh boy, we're definitely gonna get kicked off. TikTok, Reverend Nate,
[3:12:53] Speaker 2: thank you for the five dollar Canadian Jedsus. The these
[3:12:56] Speaker 2: rock hard salt. Lick Aporium is having a lot of
[3:12:59] Speaker 2: sale this week. Come on down and just off the
[3:13:02] Speaker 2: I ninety five, just south of Sodom asked for Doug
[3:13:05] Speaker 2: or shared. Indeed we will. You'll get served, that is
[3:13:09] Speaker 2: for sure. Lick Oporium is not a phrase I ever
[3:13:15] Speaker 2: expected to leave my mouth. And Dexter says, Last King
[3:13:20] Speaker 2: of Scotland over here, Doug strike him down. Oh okay,
[3:13:30] Speaker 2: if you haven't seen the movie Last King of Scotland,
[3:13:33] Speaker 2: this won't make sense to you. But it's a really
[3:13:35] Speaker 2: good movie. It's such a good movie. I mean, obviously
[3:13:40] Speaker 2: it's not I mean I don't want to ruin the movie.
[3:13:44] Speaker 2: It's like it's based on a real history. It's it's
[3:13:49] Speaker 2: just it's amazing. It's not about a real Scotland Scottish king,
[3:13:53] Speaker 2: but it's amazing, and uh, you do have to I
[3:13:57] Speaker 2: think it was a book first and then became a movie.
[3:13:59] Speaker 2: I didn't I didn't read the book. I saw the movie.
[3:14:01] Speaker 2: But either way, amazing, amazing story. I really enjoyed it.
[3:14:08] Speaker 2: It was popular for a minute. The game guy says
[3:14:11] Speaker 2: pdf free is a flurfer. He was on Dalton's live
[3:14:14] Speaker 2: No fucking way, pdf free is a flurf. I'm a
[3:14:19] Speaker 2: little bit sad that we didn't have a topic tonight
[3:14:24] Speaker 2: that would be flurf worthy, but I'm at least glad
[3:14:28] Speaker 2: that he got up on Dalton's live stream and Duncan
[3:14:31] Speaker 2: can deal with him.
[3:14:34] Speaker 9: Uh.
[3:14:35] Speaker 2: Dalton of them is really bright though, My god, what
[3:14:40] Speaker 2: what a smart guy?
[3:14:41] Speaker 12: Uh.
[3:14:41] Speaker 2: Like, there's a couple of people that are streaming that
[3:14:44] Speaker 2: I think are are really really smart, like Dan mccollin Sarah,
[3:14:48] Speaker 2: and I think I think Dalton's really smart. I think
[3:14:52] Speaker 2: he's he's got a really vice type memory, and he's
[3:14:56] Speaker 2: really good at learning, and he's young, he's got lots
[3:14:58] Speaker 2: of energy to do it, so I hope he goes far.
[3:15:01] Speaker 2: Captain Hammer says, do you think the name Judas, being
[3:15:04] Speaker 2: a derivative of Judah could have been selected in the
[3:15:08] Speaker 2: story for the betrayer since the Jews didn't accept Jesus. Okay,
[3:15:11] Speaker 2: So this is certainly something that you would believe if
[3:15:15] Speaker 2: you were, like in the mythicist camp or if you
[3:15:17] Speaker 2: were mythicist adjacent believing that the even the names of
[3:15:21] Speaker 2: the disciples are mythologized. And I could go for that.
[3:15:25] Speaker 2: The only name that I think is like maybe definitely
[3:15:28] Speaker 2: part of the twelve would have been Matthew, because we
[3:15:31] Speaker 2: find crossover in like uh, extra biblical Jewish texts, like
[3:15:36] Speaker 2: in a Saint Hedred forty three A. But what were
[3:15:42] Speaker 2: the names of the disciples contrived? I kind of I
[3:15:49] Speaker 2: kind of feel like the answers yes. And if these
[3:15:52] Speaker 2: answers yes right, that the names of the disciples were
[3:15:55] Speaker 2: contrived put together a story, well, then that would include Judash. Well.
[3:16:00] Speaker 2: You could also go the route of saying, well, no,
[3:16:03] Speaker 2: they originally had twelve names and one was changed to
[3:16:08] Speaker 2: Judas as a commentary. Now, the reason why you would
[3:16:13] Speaker 2: this would make the most sense under mythicism is because
[3:16:16] Speaker 2: they're going to work on that north south that Samaritan
[3:16:21] Speaker 2: Jew divide. And this would be a commentary because remember
[3:16:26] Speaker 2: Jesus was from Galilee. Most of the early Messianic movements
[3:16:30] Speaker 2: were all from Galilee. Take note, almost all of the
[3:16:34] Speaker 2: Messiahs you've heard about other than Jesus were from the
[3:16:37] Speaker 2: region of Galilee. And the reason was they were still
[3:16:40] Speaker 2: firmly Hebrew in their practices. But but they they did
[3:16:48] Speaker 2: not respect the southern tribes. They understood the southern tribes
[3:16:53] Speaker 2: to be an unholy, unrighteous, not real old followers of
[3:17:00] Speaker 2: God's intent with the law. In fact, the Samaritans in
[3:17:04] Speaker 2: the north they still used Paleo Hebrew. Look at the
[3:17:08] Speaker 2: Samaritan Pentateuch. It was written in Paleo Hebrew meaning they
[3:17:14] Speaker 2: and and Garyzeemee. They really thought that they were the true,
[3:17:20] Speaker 2: the true children of Abraham, and not as much as
[3:17:23] Speaker 2: the Jews. The Jews were wayward though. Could this be
[3:17:27] Speaker 2: a text that was written by Greek speaking people from
[3:17:32] Speaker 2: northern Palestine or even further north of Palestine, further north
[3:17:36] Speaker 2: of Galilee? And are they including commentary to Pooh Pooh
[3:17:42] Speaker 2: on the Judeans after the diaspora. Possibly it's a real possibility.
[3:17:48] Speaker 2: Captain Hammer, good question, and like here says sorry, justin
[3:17:53] Speaker 2: a but volume of callers is too low today, it'd
[3:17:57] Speaker 2: be too late today, too loud tomorrow. Guys, you have
[3:18:00] Speaker 2: to let me know. I need whenever the volume's off,
[3:18:04] Speaker 2: I need like one hundred people to superchat it. And uh, unfortunately,
[3:18:08] Speaker 2: like I'm just in one of those situations where like
[3:18:12] Speaker 2: it's hard for me to keep track of everything that's
[3:18:15] Speaker 2: happening all at once, and I'm deeply sorry for that.
[3:18:20] Speaker 2: I try. When I do clips, sometimes I can smooth
[3:18:22] Speaker 2: them out. Drew says, you have to wonder how different
[3:18:27] Speaker 2: the Bible would be if written by women.
[3:18:29] Speaker 5: I know, I know.
[3:18:32] Speaker 2: It would be way different. It would be so much different,
[3:18:35] Speaker 2: I bet though, hmm. I mean maybe dude on me
[3:18:42] Speaker 2: twenty two would be a test for a male virgin,
[3:18:46] Speaker 2: or numbers five would be a test to know if
[3:18:48] Speaker 2: your wife cheated on you. Tonneck Trump says, did I
[3:18:51] Speaker 2: hear right that David was killed before his wives get it?
[3:18:56] Speaker 2: So he got no punishment because he was dead already.
[3:18:58] Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, he wasn't killed. Yep, his
[3:19:00] Speaker 2: son was killed in his place, and then his wives
[3:19:04] Speaker 2: got raped. That happens in chapter sixteen, but he's alive
[3:19:06] Speaker 2: way past chapter sixteen. In fact, in chapter twenty, he
[3:19:09] Speaker 2: takes the palace back. Jennifer says, everybody got punished, but David,
[3:19:14] Speaker 2: indeed that is the case. Was there a punishment, Yes,
[3:19:19] Speaker 2: yes there was. Did David get punished? No, not really.
[3:19:22] Speaker 2: If it was a fair punishment, he should have been
[3:19:24] Speaker 2: raped and murdered. Gentlemen, Viking, thank you for the cute
[3:19:28] Speaker 2: dogg O super chats this question. How are white girls
[3:19:31] Speaker 2: and prime numbers alike? Answer? They literally can't even.
[3:19:41] Speaker 3: That.
[3:19:43] Speaker 2: That's a dated joke, But I love it. That was
[3:19:44] Speaker 2: a really good one. I don't know why I've never
[3:19:47] Speaker 2: heard that one. It seems obvious now that I've heard it.
[3:19:49] Speaker 2: But that's a good one. No shade to white girls.
[3:19:55] Speaker 2: There are a lot of intelligent white girls. There's one
[3:19:58] Speaker 2: of them friends, you know that Smack says, what fruit
[3:20:02] Speaker 2: of the spirit is yours?
[3:20:03] Speaker 11: You know?
[3:20:04] Speaker 2: Noir here? Yes, that's the spirit fruit that I'm looking
[3:20:08] Speaker 2: for right there. Maybe some good wine to go with
[3:20:12] Speaker 2: some cheese. Oh yeah, that'd be good. Doctor was Humble says,
[3:20:17] Speaker 2: Please let PhD Flee Go Away, Dumb and Dumber? Wait,
[3:20:22] Speaker 2: Flee go Away? Was that a line from Dumb and Dumber?
[3:20:26] Speaker 2: I don't remember that shit, Flee go Away. There's some
[3:20:32] Speaker 2: good lines from that movie, though. Excuse me. Flow Boor says,
[3:20:37] Speaker 2: PhD Free is a Jedi at this point. Soon as
[3:20:41] Speaker 2: you press him for anything, he pulls out his lightsaber
[3:20:44] Speaker 2: and deflects and dodges everything. I know, they really do.
[3:20:48] Speaker 2: They really do become experts at dodgeball the minute you
[3:20:51] Speaker 2: start asking them questions, like, they get terrified. And I
[3:20:54] Speaker 2: get it because I'm gonna ask some hard questions and
[3:20:57] Speaker 2: I'm going to force them the answer. But if they're
[3:20:58] Speaker 2: not ready for that, they shouldn't be up here. And
[3:21:00] Speaker 2: Carrie says, I can't hear the callers on YouTube carry on. Well,
[3:21:04] Speaker 2: thank you for that. I appreciate that note. I think
[3:21:08] Speaker 2: some callers come in and they're really really quiet, and
[3:21:12] Speaker 2: it's hard for me to know. Sometimes I can tell,
[3:21:17] Speaker 2: but I did, my God, I did set up a
[3:21:20] Speaker 2: I have a sound meter on my OBS stream now
[3:21:25] Speaker 2: so I can compare everybody's volume to my volume. So
[3:21:31] Speaker 2: what I need to do is be reminded to check
[3:21:35] Speaker 2: the soundbar with every guest, and make sure that our
[3:21:39] Speaker 2: sounds are roughly equivalently the same level with me obviously
[3:21:45] Speaker 2: slightly louder, so that when they begin talking over me,
[3:21:48] Speaker 2: it's a meaningless endeavor and collapse says it. Recently, a
[3:21:52] Speaker 2: University of Boklahoma study failed a psych test student study
[3:21:57] Speaker 2: or student because I think you mean student. Because she
[3:22:01] Speaker 2: used the Bible as a reference and is now challenging it.
[3:22:03] Speaker 2: We are fucked. Oh my god, are you telling me
[3:22:08] Speaker 2: that she failed a psychology test because she used the Bible.
[3:22:11] Speaker 2: I'm curious to know what the what the paper was on,
[3:22:14] Speaker 2: what her thesis was. Look at oklaholma, Oklaholma is crazy,
[3:22:23] Speaker 2: Triple says, set up your voice to duck their channel.
[3:22:25] Speaker 2: I don't have a method for that, so there might
[3:22:29] Speaker 2: be some form of plug in I can get for
[3:22:33] Speaker 2: my soundboard for auto ducking. I don't think there is, though,
[3:22:37] Speaker 2: now I know if it's a YouTube guest, they're coming
[3:22:40] Speaker 2: in on video ninja, and I can set up audio
[3:22:43] Speaker 2: ducking on video Ninja. But I don't think I can
[3:22:46] Speaker 2: for any of the TikTok stuff. Noah's Lyon says, I
[3:22:49] Speaker 2: vote for a grapefruit on the body of Justin great
[3:22:55] Speaker 2: ruby be okay, maybe two of them right here. I
[3:22:56] Speaker 2: don't know, we can we can pull that off. The
[3:22:59] Speaker 2: acid might be on comfortable on the old nips. Reverend,
[3:23:02] Speaker 2: thank you for the superjest says, wait, so for d
[3:23:05] Speaker 2: Z communion, everyone gets a sewing kit disguised as cookies.
[3:23:13] Speaker 2: That is the case. That is the case. If you've
[3:23:17] Speaker 2: got an old tin of butter cooking that is not
[3:23:20] Speaker 2: currently acting as a sewing kit. Where are you from?
[3:23:23] Speaker 2: What's wrong with you? What world are you living in?
[3:23:27] Speaker 2: Hard to be gay for Justin when he's bringing childhood
[3:23:31] Speaker 2: trauma back. I'm sorry, Reverend Nate, I'm sorry, but we
[3:23:35] Speaker 2: appreciate that even amongst the trauma you're gay for Justin,
[3:23:39] Speaker 2: live your life. Friend, Mister Yogi says them, I'm saying,
[3:23:42] Speaker 2: but God didn't, cause it is basically calling God a liar.
[3:23:45] Speaker 14: I know.
[3:23:45] Speaker 2: Isn't that crazy that God will say I'm doing this thing,
[3:23:48] Speaker 2: and well, God didn't do it, motherfucker, he said he's
[3:23:51] Speaker 2: doing it. Why do you hate God's words? Anti Matter
[3:23:55] Speaker 2: says the body should be a handful of pop rocks.
[3:23:59] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's very good. Well, if it's Doug's body,
[3:24:07] Speaker 2: Doug and Charin.
[3:24:07] Speaker 5: I don't.
[3:24:08] Speaker 2: I don't know about mine. I don't know, hm, hm,
[3:24:13] Speaker 2: I gotta think about that. I gotta think about that.
[3:24:16] Speaker 2: Maybe some doctor Pepper and pop rocks the same, or
[3:24:21] Speaker 2: mountain dew because mountains obviously in pop rocks. I think
[3:24:27] Speaker 2: that that would be the communion for Dug and Sharin, right,
[3:24:29] Speaker 2: Mountain dew and pop rocks, Loan Dross. As a kid,
[3:24:33] Speaker 2: if my siblings or I would get in trouble for lying,
[3:24:35] Speaker 2: the others would tease you. Chanting Revelation twenty one eight.
[3:24:38] Speaker 2: All liars go to Hell f indoctrination. Yes, we used
[3:24:44] Speaker 2: to say that, not as kids, because I didn't grow
[3:24:46] Speaker 2: up fundamentalists, but when I was in church, we would
[3:24:48] Speaker 2: tease and say, liars go to the lake of fire.
[3:24:51] Speaker 2: That that's why you know, liar liar pants on fire,
[3:24:53] Speaker 2: That's where you get that kind of thing from. But yeah,
[3:24:56] Speaker 2: I mean it gets ingrained in your head. Right, drum
[3:25:00] Speaker 2: gold Tunks, thank you for the supertest. It says when
[3:25:03] Speaker 2: I went to church, Jesus came in me. I decided
[3:25:05] Speaker 2: to forgive them. I mean, he says that he's going
[3:25:11] Speaker 2: to come in you so deep that he's going to
[3:25:12] Speaker 2: touch your heart, so I'm sure it was a pretty
[3:25:15] Speaker 2: violent process. You're very forgiving, and Kyle, good to see you.
[3:25:19] Speaker 2: My friend. Jesus loves you. John fourteen fifteen. I think
[3:25:24] Speaker 2: you mean chapter fourteen, verse fifteen. Certainly you're not referring
[3:25:29] Speaker 2: to all of the chapters. John fourteen fifteen says, I
[3:25:39] Speaker 2: feel like I should know this. If you love me,
[3:25:42] Speaker 2: oh yeah, oh yeah. If you love me, you will
[3:25:45] Speaker 2: keep my commands. That's true. If you love me, you
[3:25:50] Speaker 2: will keep my commands, which means baby paste all day. Motherfuckers.
[3:25:55] Speaker 2: Malcolm says, my cat Darwin, amazing name. My cat Darwin
[3:25:59] Speaker 2: did that next licking thing for eighteen years until he
[3:26:02] Speaker 2: died three months ago. I'm sorry to hear that. That's
[3:26:05] Speaker 2: terrible that you lost your loved one. Done so thinking
[3:26:09] Speaker 2: for the galaxy, cherish that love. Watching Faraday makes me
[3:26:13] Speaker 2: miss my boy so much. I hate that you lost
[3:26:16] Speaker 2: your boy Darwin. That breaks my heart. But I will
[3:26:20] Speaker 2: certainly cherish my kittens for as long as I get them. Certainly,
[3:26:25] Speaker 2: hopefully we get more time with these two as we
[3:26:28] Speaker 2: got with Pie. D about a year and a half
[3:26:30] Speaker 2: with Pie, and unfortunately he was too sick to carry
[3:26:32] Speaker 2: on Evan says, I'm just here to see Justin smuggling kitties,
[3:26:36] Speaker 2: snuggling kitties. Gay for Justin, Evan, Listen, we're all here
[3:26:40] Speaker 2: for that. I'm a little bit disappointed if I start
[3:26:43] Speaker 2: a streaming there's no kitty snuggling. Now it's become part
[3:26:46] Speaker 2: of my part of my life, part of my stream
[3:26:50] Speaker 2: and base to share. Good to see your friend, Thank
[3:26:52] Speaker 2: you for the six sixty six. Is I'd rather have
[3:26:53] Speaker 2: informed consent than free will?
[3:26:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[3:26:59] Speaker 2: Unfortunately, God gives you supposed free will to choose to
[3:27:03] Speaker 2: be lit on fire, but he won't give you consent
[3:27:06] Speaker 2: in the Bible because, and you already know this, a
[3:27:09] Speaker 2: share of women are property in the Bible, So like,
[3:27:15] Speaker 2: does property get consent? I don't think so, Danny boy
[3:27:22] Speaker 2: thinking for the supertest as I was Christian for ten
[3:27:24] Speaker 2: years and you help me deconvert, so you can add
[3:27:27] Speaker 2: that to your statistics. Well, thank you, Danny. I appreciate that.
[3:27:30] Speaker 2: I do get messages pretty regularly from people saying that
[3:27:33] Speaker 2: I helped to deconvert them from this this death cult,
[3:27:38] Speaker 2: and I'm glad for it. I love it when people
[3:27:39] Speaker 2: let me know, and big cheese. Good to see you again,
[3:27:42] Speaker 2: thinking for the additional supertests. God is crueler to righteous
[3:27:46] Speaker 2: people than he is to those who are selfish and
[3:27:48] Speaker 2: cruel themselves. Indeed, in fact, what he did the job's
[3:27:53] Speaker 2: family is asenine. What he did the job is asinine,
[3:27:56] Speaker 2: and he delights in it. Deuteronomy twenty eight sixty three.
[3:28:01] Speaker 2: Just as I took delight in making you prosperus and numerous,
[3:28:04] Speaker 2: so I will take delight in bringing you into destruction,
[3:28:07] Speaker 2: in ruin having you picked off the land. God takes
[3:28:12] Speaker 2: the light in ruining his own children. Crazy Taylor think
[3:28:23] Speaker 2: about supertest says on the road from Dallas to San Antonio.
[3:28:26] Speaker 2: Blessed to have Doug's guidance on this journey. Hell yeah,
[3:28:29] Speaker 2: drive safely, Drive safely, don't don't be super chanting while
[3:28:33] Speaker 2: you're driving, friend, and thanks for listening. And Joe Sumeia
[3:28:39] Speaker 2: think of superdess. I grew up Mormon, was taught that
[3:28:42] Speaker 2: Adam and Eve would be the only ones without belly buttons. Oh,
[3:28:46] Speaker 2: I mean to be fair. At least the Mormons took
[3:28:48] Speaker 2: that question seriously, because if in fact they're the first humans,
[3:28:52] Speaker 2: they weren't born of another human, they wouldn't have billy
[3:28:55] Speaker 2: button like we wouldn't expect them to have belly buttons.
[3:28:58] Speaker 2: So you get the fair question and zed Stone, thank
[3:29:03] Speaker 2: you for the find out Canadian chances. Some of the
[3:29:05] Speaker 2: worst suffering occurs right before death. How does suffering build
[3:29:08] Speaker 2: character if the person is dead? That, oh, this is
[3:29:12] Speaker 2: such a good point. Most of the suffering we will
[3:29:16] Speaker 2: encounter in our life is in our latter years, right
[3:29:19] Speaker 2: before we die, which means it's not really soul building,
[3:29:22] Speaker 2: it's soul crushing. In fact, that's why you see so
[3:29:25] Speaker 2: many old people that are struggling because they're dealing with
[3:29:31] Speaker 2: you know, late late late life crisis. They're dealing with
[3:29:37] Speaker 2: late life health concerns. They're dealing with not being able
[3:29:40] Speaker 2: to pay for it. Sometimes they have to choose between
[3:29:44] Speaker 2: their medication or food and big cheeses. Why does the
[3:29:48] Speaker 2: biblical God love a holes and jerks over nice guys?
[3:29:51] Speaker 2: God prefers bad boys. That's what it is. The God
[3:29:55] Speaker 2: of this book is a rebellious teenage girl that just
[3:29:58] Speaker 2: wants to be with the bad guy. That's why God's
[3:30:01] Speaker 2: fucking over here with the Babylonians. These Babylonians and the
[3:30:06] Speaker 2: Meads who don't even have any regard for silver and gold,
[3:30:10] Speaker 2: it says. In the Book of Jeremiah, I'm sorry Isaiah,
[3:30:13] Speaker 2: chapter thirteen, verse sixteen, and seventeen. Noahs Lyon says, Spider
[3:30:19] Speaker 2: Man and his imaginary friends plus the two headed donkey
[3:30:22] Speaker 2: are on my cutting table while I listened to the barbecue.
[3:30:26] Speaker 2: Keep your eyes open for the mail. Well, thank you, Noah.
[3:30:29] Speaker 2: I love In fact, now that I'm no longer doing
[3:30:31] Speaker 2: a green screen, I got to show everyone the shirt
[3:30:34] Speaker 2: that you made me. I'll wear it for the next stream.
[3:30:37] Speaker 2: It was amazing. Ode to Doug the shirt that you
[3:30:41] Speaker 2: made me. I loved it. I loved it. We gotta
[3:30:44] Speaker 2: send links out to your your Etsy shop where they
[3:30:50] Speaker 2: can buy this stuff. Tonk Drum says, how do you
[3:30:52] Speaker 2: feel about being called our Deacon of deconstruction? I love it.
[3:30:57] Speaker 2: In fact, I did that once. Somebody couldn't read my
[3:30:59] Speaker 2: name and they called me deacon and it just stuck
[3:31:02] Speaker 2: for a couple of days. But I would definitely be
[3:31:04] Speaker 2: your Deacon of deconstruction, my friend and gentlemen, thank you
[3:31:08] Speaker 2: for the Supert says, do demon babies equals spicy baby paste?
[3:31:11] Speaker 2: I would have to imagine at a bare minimum, they're
[3:31:14] Speaker 2: at least gonna have some peprika if you could even
[3:31:17] Speaker 2: call that spicy. But to be fair, like, if you
[3:31:22] Speaker 2: think paprika is spicy, you're whiter than me, and that's
[3:31:25] Speaker 2: that's pretty white. That's like I might as well be
[3:31:28] Speaker 2: referring to a plain mayonnaise is spicy. At that point,
[3:31:32] Speaker 2: Eanto says, chain of command is crazy. Even our military
[3:31:36] Speaker 2: can't refuse bad orders. That's interesting. I don't know about
[3:31:39] Speaker 2: military life. So if in fact your order to do
[3:31:44] Speaker 2: something in the military, let's say, for example, that it
[3:31:47] Speaker 2: violates the Geneva Convention, do you have to do it? Like,
[3:31:50] Speaker 2: will you get in trouble?
[3:31:52] Speaker 4: Like?
[3:31:52] Speaker 2: I mean, the worst they could do is can they
[3:31:55] Speaker 2: dishonorably discharge you? And but they can't like lock you up?
[3:31:59] Speaker 2: Can they for of being in order? I'm so confused.
[3:32:01] Speaker 2: I don't know how the military works all that well.
[3:32:04] Speaker 2: People who are more in the know will have to
[3:32:07] Speaker 2: help me out in this one and not the Bible. Jason,
[3:32:10] Speaker 2: thank you for the additional super Chest says I can
[3:32:13] Speaker 2: make baby paste clergy crop tops with a QR code
[3:32:16] Speaker 2: to the stream and ship them to random bigoted churches
[3:32:19] Speaker 2: in the US. You know, I will thumbs up or down,
[3:32:23] Speaker 2: thumbs all the way up, two thumbs up, two throbbing
[3:32:27] Speaker 2: thumbs up. Jmr, I would love to see this happen.
[3:32:30] Speaker 2: Please let's let's let's please send baby paste to local churches.
[3:32:35] Speaker 2: I'm here for it, and listen. Fuck. You can print
[3:32:40] Speaker 2: out flyers with my face on it, prove your God
[3:32:43] Speaker 2: is real and leave them at your local church, put
[3:32:46] Speaker 2: them in Gideon's bibles.
[3:32:47] Speaker 3: Whatever.
[3:32:48] Speaker 2: Maybe I'll print off some stickers and hand them out
[3:32:50] Speaker 2: to people. Brisinger says, and ensues the censorship protecting delusions.
[3:32:56] Speaker 2: Stay strong, friend, we love you well.
[3:32:59] Speaker 6: Thank you.
[3:32:59] Speaker 2: I appreciate that. I think this is a continuation of
[3:33:01] Speaker 2: your last superchat, though, but the problem is I don't
[3:33:04] Speaker 2: see a last super chat in here, which means I
[3:33:06] Speaker 2: might not be reading it correctly. Something ensues the censorship
[3:33:11] Speaker 2: protecting delusions. TikTok certainly is in fact, and so is
[3:33:18] Speaker 2: so is chat, GPT and the other language learning models.
[3:33:24] Speaker 2: So I tested a couple AI models and I asked
[3:33:30] Speaker 2: it to draw like pictures of Jesus in like maybe
[3:33:34] Speaker 2: compromising positions, and they did it, And then I asked
[3:33:37] Speaker 2: them to do it with like anybody in Islam, and
[3:33:41] Speaker 2: like no, no, no, we can't. We can't cross that
[3:33:43] Speaker 2: religious border. We have to respect all people's religions. Like, motherfucker,
[3:33:46] Speaker 2: you just did this to Jesus, and you won't do
[3:33:48] Speaker 2: this to Mohammad because you know, because Islam will kill
[3:33:53] Speaker 2: you for drawing Mohammad and nobody wants to get capped.
[3:33:56] Speaker 2: Reverend says, God was voted best God by the God
[3:33:59] Speaker 2: of the Bible. That's it. He self voted. It was
[3:34:03] Speaker 2: one of It was like that British bakeoff, and he
[3:34:06] Speaker 2: voted for himself on all the tickets. Spl good to
[3:34:10] Speaker 2: see you, my friend, thank you for the supertest, says,
[3:34:12] Speaker 2: and would one of you catch a dang ball? They
[3:34:16] Speaker 2: never will. They're gonna dodge, They're not gonna catch. It's
[3:34:19] Speaker 2: like watching a bunch of Christians dodging yes or no questions.
[3:34:21] Speaker 2: It's left right dodge dick that they're not going to
[3:34:25] Speaker 2: answer questions. They're they're just never going to do it whatever.
[3:34:34] Speaker 2: That's basically their admission that they can't be honest. That's
[3:34:36] Speaker 2: all I mean. It's not just Christians. By the way,
[3:34:40] Speaker 2: we know that Islam does the same thing. Mormons will
[3:34:43] Speaker 2: do the same thing. Whenever you're confronted with a difficult question,
[3:34:46] Speaker 2: it's easier just to ignore it and move on. Bey says,
[3:34:50] Speaker 2: your loud cats are sending my cats on a hunt
[3:34:53] Speaker 2: for mystery cats. I'm sorry about that. Far day pers
[3:34:57] Speaker 2: loud and right in my neck in the microphone, But
[3:35:01] Speaker 2: to me personally, I find it soothing. I could fall
[3:35:04] Speaker 2: asleep to a cap per Bree Wolf says, as a
[3:35:07] Speaker 2: former Christian turned atheist, I appreciate your content. Well, thank you,
[3:35:11] Speaker 2: free Wolf. You are free now I enjoy learning without
[3:35:14] Speaker 2: having to waste one more second of my life reading
[3:35:17] Speaker 2: the Bible. Listen, that's what I'm here for. I'm reading
[3:35:20] Speaker 2: the Bible so you don't have to. That's Joel's slogan
[3:35:23] Speaker 2: Jewelry's Bible Amazing Channel. By the way, if you don't
[3:35:25] Speaker 2: already follow him, you should. Hey, and as think it
[3:35:29] Speaker 2: for the five dollars super donation, big w and big
[3:35:33] Speaker 2: cheese back again. Does that's the Old Testament? Easy? Anti
[3:35:37] Speaker 2: semitic dog whistle? I mean sometimes it actually is anti semitic.
[3:35:40] Speaker 2: I think with Christians it's more of a reflex than
[3:35:43] Speaker 2: anti semitic. Though I think a lot of Christians they've
[3:35:46] Speaker 2: been told that, like you, don't have to read the
[3:35:48] Speaker 2: Old Testament. It's not relevant to you that that's old stuff.
[3:35:53] Speaker 2: But you do, actually you do have to read it. Also.
[3:35:57] Speaker 2: I got two notifications Deanna, and thank you for the
[3:36:01] Speaker 2: fifty dollar donation on Venmo does per usual appreciate your
[3:36:07] Speaker 2: valid debates well, thank you, Diana and Diana an additional
[3:36:11] Speaker 2: one hundred dollars. Thank you so much. As please ask
[3:36:14] Speaker 2: Timothy on for you or Lord one three three seven
[3:36:19] Speaker 2: to call in. Neither one of them got into the
[3:36:21] Speaker 2: guest box. I apologize Diana that I didn't see this sooner.
[3:36:26] Speaker 2: I would have asked them to come in, but unfortunately
[3:36:29] Speaker 2: it's hard to monitor. I've got three screens going and
[3:36:32] Speaker 2: like five pieces of software running, and I'm trying to debate.
[3:36:35] Speaker 2: Sometimes when I get message notifications, I don't see them
[3:36:39] Speaker 2: right away. And also because I have to keep my
[3:36:42] Speaker 2: phone on my desk down quite often because my cat
[3:36:46] Speaker 2: will walk on it, I don't I don't have a
[3:36:47] Speaker 2: phone holder yet to hold my phone so I can
[3:36:50] Speaker 2: look at phone notifications during the live stream. I'll get
[3:36:52] Speaker 2: that taken care of this week. I'll get a phone
[3:36:54] Speaker 2: holder so I can have the phone actually up and
[3:36:57] Speaker 2: I can look for notifications rather than having my cat
[3:37:01] Speaker 2: walk on it. Monkey says, is it broken? No, it's
[3:37:04] Speaker 2: not not broken. Is this that when if my phone
[3:37:07] Speaker 2: is open and my cat walks on it, it's it.
[3:37:10] Speaker 2: It messes, it's going to close the stream. I've got
[3:37:13] Speaker 2: the stream running on it right, so with the stream open,
[3:37:16] Speaker 2: it never turns off. But if the cat keeps walking
[3:37:19] Speaker 2: on it, then it's not going to have the effect
[3:37:22] Speaker 2: that I needed to have. You know, but you're right, Cheez,
[3:37:25] Speaker 2: you're right. Good question, says uh. Title idea God wants robots?
[3:37:29] Speaker 2: Ah fuck yes yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
[3:37:33] Speaker 16: Yep, ye ye yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
[3:37:45] Speaker 2: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep, yep. I'm
[3:37:48] Speaker 2: running it on a cue card. We'll do this topic immediately.
[3:37:54] Speaker 2: Topic God does want robots. That's an amazing topic. I'm
[3:38:08] Speaker 2: literally I'm befuddled that this never crossed my mind yet.
[3:38:13] Speaker 2: This is an amazing topic. We'll be putting that one
[3:38:17] Speaker 2: together real quick. Friends. Thank you for that good question.
[3:38:21] Speaker 2: That was a good good topic and Shipwrecked says, if
[3:38:25] Speaker 2: God was all knowing, wouldn't he know who would be
[3:38:27] Speaker 2: atheists and therefore know they would be punished. So this
[3:38:31] Speaker 2: is a very good point. If God knows who's going
[3:38:33] Speaker 2: to be an atheist and who's not going to be
[3:38:34] Speaker 2: an atheist, I mean he theoretically he could just have
[3:38:36] Speaker 2: him not be born and not waste his time, Like
[3:38:39] Speaker 2: why why send anybody to hell when you could merely
[3:38:42] Speaker 2: just make sure they don't get born. Like if you're
[3:38:46] Speaker 2: gonna have four children and you know one of them
[3:38:48] Speaker 2: is going to be an atheist, just don't have that
[3:38:50] Speaker 2: one born. You don't have to you don't have to
[3:38:52] Speaker 2: murder anybody. You don't have to send him to hell
[3:38:54] Speaker 2: for eternity, none of that stuff. And Rory says, all
[3:38:58] Speaker 2: praised Doug for the rock abides. Everything is made of stardust,
[3:39:02] Speaker 2: So don't panic have a kraken on me. Jesus and
[3:39:05] Speaker 2: Santa are mush If you have enough kracking, Jesus and
[3:39:10] Speaker 2: Santa will turn into mushrooms. You'll be seeing some shrooms
[3:39:14] Speaker 2: for sure. Ay fairy day baby, he came to say
[3:39:19] Speaker 2: hi again and probably suck my neck. Amy Cook, PhD,
[3:39:23] Speaker 2: thank you for the supertest says, I understand the argument
[3:39:26] Speaker 2: for why God hides from us, then we have faith. Well,
[3:39:33] Speaker 2: I don't think it's a good argument, because he didn't
[3:39:35] Speaker 2: hide from Abraham or Moses or anyone else, and they
[3:39:37] Speaker 2: had great faith, according to Hebrews chapter eleven. But why
[3:39:40] Speaker 2: does Satan just show up all the time? He has
[3:39:45] Speaker 2: no need for faith? I know, isn't that crazy? Saytan
[3:39:49] Speaker 2: just appears all the time. He's on the earth, roaming around,
[3:39:53] Speaker 2: going to and fro seeking who he may devour according
[3:39:56] Speaker 2: to the text. But like nobody has faith in Satan. Well, hey, buddy,
[3:40:04] Speaker 2: hey buddy, I know, I know, bud, I know, I
[3:40:07] Speaker 2: have faith in Faraday. Though, Charles says, wouldn't Satan be
[3:40:11] Speaker 2: dumb as heck to offer God something he knows is
[3:40:14] Speaker 2: already his? So Jesus can't be God. So this is
[3:40:19] Speaker 2: kind of the thing, Charles. This plays into adoptionism, right.
[3:40:23] Speaker 2: So in adoptionism, the temptation in the wilderness makes perfect sense.
[3:40:28] Speaker 2: Jesus has to prove himself worthy of the status of son,
[3:40:35] Speaker 2: whereas in the other models it doesn't if he's born
[3:40:38] Speaker 2: God and everyone knows he's God, even the demons do.
[3:40:41] Speaker 2: Remember when he casts out the demons garrisine. They know
[3:40:47] Speaker 2: is what you know? Our time is not come. You
[3:40:51] Speaker 2: know they know who Jesus is. The Legion know that
[3:40:55] Speaker 2: if the demons all know who Jesus is, sure as
[3:40:58] Speaker 2: fuck so does Satan. Right, Satan offering them all the
[3:41:01] Speaker 2: kingdoms of the world would only ever make sense if
[3:41:06] Speaker 2: you believe that Jesus had to graduate to son of
[3:41:09] Speaker 2: God as opposed to being born son of God. Maybe
[3:41:14] Speaker 2: we we really should do a full on video lesson
[3:41:18] Speaker 2: on the main channel on adoptionism. To me, it's the
[3:41:22] Speaker 2: only sensible way to look at Jesus. It's the only
[3:41:25] Speaker 2: way to do it. Anytime you deviate from adoptionism, Christianity
[3:41:30] Speaker 2: makes no sense anymore. Nailed it? Like the Roman's amazing name,
[3:41:35] Speaker 2: Thank you for the sixty six is Bigfoot hide and
[3:41:38] Speaker 2: Seek Champion of the World. God hide and Seek Champion
[3:41:41] Speaker 2: of the universe. Also God Ultimate peeping Time. Yeah, it's
[3:41:47] Speaker 2: weird that God is so in tune with what's happening
[3:41:51] Speaker 2: here that he's like making sure you don't put your
[3:41:53] Speaker 2: peep in the wrong place. That he's got to watch
[3:41:55] Speaker 2: that shit. But but he's fuck isn't gonna show up
[3:42:01] Speaker 2: and like help you in any meaningful way in life.
[3:42:04] Speaker 2: He will, however, torture you to quote unquote bring him
[3:42:08] Speaker 2: closer to you. He will do He'll do some of
[3:42:10] Speaker 2: that juju. Thank you for the fight, our super chest
[3:42:13] Speaker 2: and beautiful cap. By the way, because do you have
[3:42:16] Speaker 2: a Bible translation and addition recommendation that has lots of
[3:42:19] Speaker 2: room for notes? My true images fo fuck o testament
[3:42:28] Speaker 2: f but I don't know what fots means. Bible needs
[3:42:31] Speaker 2: an upgrade. Well, my favorite Bible that has room for
[3:42:36] Speaker 2: writing in the margins and has thick enough pages for
[3:42:40] Speaker 2: writing is called the Catholic note taking Bible. It's an
[3:42:44] Speaker 2: amazing study Bible. In fact, if you have the standard
[3:42:52] Speaker 2: Catholic Study Bible, the Catholic note Taking Bible has the
[3:42:57] Speaker 2: same study notes as this, but thick pages that don't
[3:43:01] Speaker 2: bleed through, and there's like an inch and a half
[3:43:04] Speaker 2: of margin on each side with lines that you can
[3:43:07] Speaker 2: write in. And it's amazing. And because it's not really
[3:43:13] Speaker 2: widely advertised bible not that expensive. Wasn't very expensive. All
[3:43:17] Speaker 2: I got mine on Amazon. Wasn't hard to get a
[3:43:19] Speaker 2: hold of the Catholic note Taking Bible. You'll love it.
[3:43:22] Speaker 2: You'll love it. It's the NRSV Updated Edition, I believe.
[3:43:27] Speaker 2: Is it updated Edition?
[3:43:31] Speaker 13: No?
[3:43:31] Speaker 5: No, I'm sorry.
[3:43:32] Speaker 2: It's the NABRE, the New American Bible Revised Edition. And
[3:43:36] Speaker 2: the NABRE, in my opinion, is every bit as good
[3:43:41] Speaker 2: as the NRSV U the NRSV Updated Edition. I think
[3:43:45] Speaker 2: they're both amazing, amazing revisions, and they typically always agree
[3:43:50] Speaker 2: with each other too, by the way, but so that
[3:43:52] Speaker 2: that's a really good Bible. If you don't care so
[3:43:54] Speaker 2: much about the note taking, I would get the new
[3:43:56] Speaker 2: Oxford Annotated Study Bible that's going to be coming out
[3:43:59] Speaker 2: this bring on the sixth edition. It's on pre order
[3:44:03] Speaker 2: now there's no room in the margins, but it will
[3:44:06] Speaker 2: have good study notes. But sixth edition is on pre order.
[3:44:09] Speaker 2: It will be available early this spring, according to rumors,
[3:44:12] Speaker 2: and it's it's gonna be amazing. I think you think
[3:44:15] Speaker 2: you're gonna like it a lot. But the fifth edition
[3:44:16] Speaker 2: is good too. Jason's I Think You're Live was restricted
[3:44:20] Speaker 2: because the guy talking about lizard people conspiracies. Oh fuck,
[3:44:25] Speaker 2: you're right, yep, that's it. Jay, I forgot about that. Yeah,
[3:44:31] Speaker 2: you gotta. You can't mention conspiracy theories any variant of
[3:44:36] Speaker 2: conspiracy theory. You gotta be careful, you'll get your live
[3:44:39] Speaker 2: flagged on TikTok fair point Yep, you're right. Try tripolar disorder.
[3:44:45] Speaker 2: I didn't know about this one. I know about bipolar
[3:44:47] Speaker 2: think you for the supertests. Put a clean soft cloth
[3:44:50] Speaker 2: on your shoulder for Kitty. Oh, I could, but I
[3:44:56] Speaker 2: mean he does find on my sweater. Do I need
[3:44:59] Speaker 2: a cloth in addition to my sweater? I mean he's
[3:45:03] Speaker 2: not gonna ruin it. I keep the I keep their
[3:45:05] Speaker 2: nails clipped. I mean they've got enough to climb, but
[3:45:08] Speaker 2: not really enough to ruin right now, Kelly says, uh,
[3:45:13] Speaker 2: truck nuts and chodes. Just wanted to hear you say it.
[3:45:17] Speaker 2: RECRD for Doug, I'll say it twice. Truck nuts and chodes.
[3:45:25] Speaker 2: I mean that does feel like truck nuts and choed.
[3:45:28] Speaker 2: Feel like if you had a ven diagram of like
[3:45:32] Speaker 2: what an American Christian is into. That's gonna be in
[3:45:35] Speaker 2: the ven diagram somewhere. Reverend Nate, thank you for the
[3:45:39] Speaker 2: five dollar Canadian chest says in Canada and US, you
[3:45:42] Speaker 2: can refuse to obey unlawful orders. How that plays out
[3:45:45] Speaker 2: when they try and charge you is a different conversation.
[3:45:48] Speaker 2: I know when they charge you, they're always gonna trump
[3:45:51] Speaker 2: something up. It's kind of like when somebody at your
[3:45:55] Speaker 2: work really wants to fire you, they'll make a reason
[3:45:58] Speaker 2: to fire you. Like, it doesn't matter what it is,
[3:46:00] Speaker 2: they'll find a reason. There's always something dumb like insubordination. Right,
[3:46:04] Speaker 2: So like if somebody really if the law, if the
[3:46:07] Speaker 2: government really wants to charge you with something, they'll fucking
[3:46:10] Speaker 2: find something to charge you with. But be careful with
[3:46:12] Speaker 2: the law. They don't they don't play by the rules,
[3:46:15] Speaker 2: and they also make the fucking rules. Send me and
[3:46:18] Speaker 2: thank you for the fight hour super Chest says. In
[3:46:19] Speaker 2: the military, it's a bed rock rule that you are
[3:46:23] Speaker 2: expected to refuse illegal orders mainly came after the German
[3:46:27] Speaker 2: soldiers on trial for World War Two. That's good to know.
[3:46:30] Speaker 2: So that's more of a recent advancement. But I mean
[3:46:33] Speaker 2: at least seventy years old now. So in fact, if
[3:46:40] Speaker 2: they did tell you to do something like kill a baby,
[3:46:42] Speaker 2: you can say, oh, fuck you, I'm not gonna do that.
[3:46:44] Speaker 2: I'm glad to hear it. Mcdubb ben, thank you for
[3:46:47] Speaker 2: the ten dollar Superchest says yahweh is just a divorced dad.
[3:46:51] Speaker 2: A divorced dad with a self paiding complex that forces
[3:46:54] Speaker 2: him to lash out and or project his adequacies on
[3:46:59] Speaker 2: his creation that was supposedly made in his image. I mean,
[3:47:04] Speaker 2: it does check out. It does check out. I'm with
[3:47:08] Speaker 2: you there, Liz is shouting in the TikTok chat. Justin
[3:47:12] Speaker 2: noticed me, Liz, I fucking noticed you. I mean, I mean,
[3:47:17] Speaker 2: I noticed your chat. Noticing it happening now dubbing. Good
[3:47:21] Speaker 2: to see if I hope you're doing well. Good question
[3:47:23] Speaker 2: coming back in is is the Web Bible edition any good?
[3:47:29] Speaker 2: I don't love it? Is it terrible? No, it's not terrible.
[3:47:37] Speaker 2: I don't love it. If I'm going to do something
[3:47:41] Speaker 2: that's not the nab R and not the NF NRSV,
[3:47:46] Speaker 2: you might want to go with the Net Bible. By
[3:47:48] Speaker 2: the way, we don't get to talk about the Net
[3:47:49] Speaker 2: Bible very much, but friends, if you don't know Greek
[3:47:56] Speaker 2: or Hebrew and you want to understand and some of
[3:48:00] Speaker 2: the translation difficulties of the Bible, get the Net Bible
[3:48:06] Speaker 2: with full notes. This is, as far as I know,
[3:48:09] Speaker 2: this is the only English translation of the Bible where
[3:48:13] Speaker 2: virtually all of the notes are on translation. So right
[3:48:17] Speaker 2: here is the passage. Everything under this is study notes
[3:48:23] Speaker 2: on how they came to their decisions on how to
[3:48:28] Speaker 2: translate this text. It's really good. They spell out all
[3:48:33] Speaker 2: the problems that I talk about on the live stream.
[3:48:36] Speaker 2: If you heard me talk about the translation issues in
[3:48:39] Speaker 2: Psalm twenty two, it's in here. If you hear to
[3:48:42] Speaker 2: talk about translation issues in Deuteronomy thirty two, verse eight nine,
[3:48:47] Speaker 2: it's going to be in here. The net Bible with
[3:48:49] Speaker 2: full notes is amazing if you want to understand some
[3:48:53] Speaker 2: of the translation difficulties, but you know you couldn't. You
[3:48:58] Speaker 2: don't have time to learn greg your Hebrew. To be fair,
[3:49:00] Speaker 2: who really does you know? So huge recommendation for the
[3:49:07] Speaker 2: net Bible with full notes, and Tripolar says, cloth for
[3:49:11] Speaker 2: suckling saves your neck. Oh I could do that. Or
[3:49:15] Speaker 2: maybe it's time to get a turtleneck. I need an
[3:49:18] Speaker 2: archer tactical turtleneck. That's what I need. That will I
[3:49:23] Speaker 2: think that'll be the thing. Okay, maybe, or at least
[3:49:25] Speaker 2: a collar of some nature collar. I think we might
[3:49:29] Speaker 2: probably fix that. Yeah, yeah, okay, good good suggestion, Tripolar.
[3:49:32] Speaker 2: Well listen, friends, that's the end of the super chats.
[3:49:35] Speaker 2: I really appreciate everyone being here who's live that we
[3:49:38] Speaker 2: can go raid. Certainly somebody's live right now that we
[3:49:42] Speaker 2: can go send everyone to and have a good old
[3:49:45] Speaker 2: fashioned raid here. I've got I still got like four
[3:49:50] Speaker 2: hundred people on vertical and thirteen hundred people watching on horizontal,
[3:49:58] Speaker 2: So we've got damn near two thousand people on YouTube
[3:50:00] Speaker 2: we can send somewhere, and we've got a couple hundred,
[3:50:03] Speaker 2: three hundred and sixty people on TikTok that we can
[3:50:05] Speaker 2: send somewhere. So by all means, let's find somebody that
[3:50:09] Speaker 2: we can send them to. Let's see who's I don't
[3:50:12] Speaker 2: see anybody live on on on YouTube. Is anyone live
[3:50:16] Speaker 2: on YouTube right now? Other than they just Parker Parker
[3:50:20] Speaker 2: is the only the only atheist live on YouTube right now.
[3:50:27] Speaker 2: I mean, obviously he's live on TikTok as well. Well
[3:50:30] Speaker 2: fuck me, I didn't think that was gonna be the case.
[3:50:33] Speaker 2: It's Monday, right, Okay, Well this is what we're gonna
[3:50:36] Speaker 2: do then, friends, we haven't done this in probably over
[3:50:40] Speaker 2: a year, but we're gonna raid Parker's live stream, bucking a.
[3:50:44] Speaker 2: Let's go Parker's Parker's live right now. Depending politics, but
[3:50:51] Speaker 2: he's he's an atheist as well. He should raid Parker's
[3:50:57] Speaker 2: live somewhere. Deconstruction zones, yeah.
[3:51:01] Speaker 5: You know, shutting down the border so that and then
[3:51:04] Speaker 5: I take from
[3:51:05] Speaker 2: The deconstruction zone sent you and tell them lots of
[3:51:10] Speaker 2: hailed dogs and lots of hailed

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