# 2025-12-08 LIVE DEBATE \[God is NOT Good\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 7 Jan 2026, 4 h 12 min.

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## Transcript

[0:03] Speaker 1: All right, I think we're ready to rock and roll.
[0:07] Speaker 1: I'm gonna get the vertical stream going, Rikele streams up,
[0:13] Speaker 1: We'll get TikTok rolling. See TikTok is up and roll in.
[0:25] Speaker 1: Welcome in, friends. I know it's Monday morning rather than
[0:29] Speaker 1: Monday night, but I wanted to throw some daytime streams
[0:35] Speaker 1: in for some people. Every now and then, there's a
[0:37] Speaker 1: lot of people that watch in other countries that mask
[0:39] Speaker 1: me to do some datim streams, and I think Monday
[0:42] Speaker 1: morning is a good time to do a daytimep stream,
[0:44] Speaker 1: at least for me. Like I'm so used. I spent
[0:46] Speaker 1: so many years going like waking up Monday morning and
[0:48] Speaker 1: going into an office that I still feel a little
[0:52] Speaker 1: bit weird waking up on Monday morning and not doing anything.
[0:54] Speaker 1: So here we are streaming, friends, It's good to see everybody.
[0:58] Speaker 1: We're gonna have a We're gonna be having a cookout
[1:03] Speaker 1: on one of our favorite topics here today, namely God
[1:06] Speaker 1: is not good. Maybe maybe that fucker is good and
[1:10] Speaker 1: we're just looking at it wrong. Maybe we just need
[1:12] Speaker 1: the right believer to come up into the live stream
[1:15] Speaker 1: and prove that God is good and we're just all dumb.
[1:19] Speaker 2: You know.
[1:19] Speaker 1: Maybe I don't know. Maybe raping women and killing babies
[1:23] Speaker 1: is a good thing. Which, by the way, I was
[1:26] Speaker 1: reading Ezekiel yesterday and I found another cannibal passage which
[1:32] Speaker 1: I didn't realize was there. It had been so long,
[1:36] Speaker 1: It's probably been six years since I read all the
[1:39] Speaker 1: way through Ezekiel, like from front to back rather than
[1:43] Speaker 1: in parts. And as I was reading through chapter five,
[1:49] Speaker 1: what I discovered is that there was a cannibal passage
[1:51] Speaker 1: that we typically don't bring up in debates because it
[1:54] Speaker 1: was it already slipped from my memory. Let me grab
[1:59] Speaker 1: it's either see let's see verse nine eight. I mean
[2:10] Speaker 1: God in Ezekiel, God is so mad, He's so mad,
[2:14] Speaker 1: like he's big mad in Ezekiel. Like we're used to
[2:17] Speaker 1: God being pretty big mad, but in chapter five of Ezekiel,
[2:21] Speaker 1: he's really big mad. Says Hm, I myself am coming
[2:26] Speaker 1: against you. I will execute judgments among you in the
[2:29] Speaker 1: sight of the nations, and because of your abominations, I
[2:32] Speaker 1: will do to you whatever or what I have never done,
[2:36] Speaker 1: and like that which I have will never do again.
[2:40] Speaker 1: Surely parents shall eat their children in your midst, and
[2:44] Speaker 1: children shall eat their parents. I will execute judgments on
[2:48] Speaker 1: you and any of you who survive, I will scatter
[2:51] Speaker 1: the very wind. What a loving god he's he's quite romantic,
[2:58] Speaker 1: is he's not very roman really won me over with
[3:02] Speaker 1: the you will eat your children and your children will
[3:04] Speaker 1: eat you back. Actually we didn't. For some reason, our
[3:07] Speaker 1: livestream didn't keep going. We'll try this again on TikTok.
[3:14] Speaker 1: All right, I had to restart TikTok. I don't know why.
[3:17] Speaker 1: I have no idea what happened to the TikTok stream. Friends,
[3:20] Speaker 1: The TikTok stream randomly quit. I just now restarted it.
[3:27] Speaker 1: It's a shame. Maybe they maybe it was the Maybe
[3:31] Speaker 1: it was you'll eat your children that set TikTok off.
[3:35] Speaker 1: You know, I wouldn't be surprised if TikTok finally has
[3:37] Speaker 1: a built in feature to just like kill stream when
[3:40] Speaker 1: you say something that you that doesn't want you to say.
[3:43] Speaker 1: That's definitely something that's coming. Okay, well, friends, If you
[3:46] Speaker 1: want to join the conversation and prove that God is good,
[3:50] Speaker 1: the link is tiny dot cc four slash dz guest,
[3:54] Speaker 1: or you can hit the gress request button on TikTok
[3:57] Speaker 1: and come in via TikTok. If you're already watching on TikTok,
[4:00] Speaker 1: you know how to get into the conversation. If you're
[4:02] Speaker 1: watching on YouTube, there's a clickable version of that link.
[4:07] Speaker 1: You don't have to type it into your browser. Welcome in,
[4:10] Speaker 1: Doctor Joe and to see you helping. Megat deconstruct says,
[4:13] Speaker 1: I like my Christians over easy on toast. Rock hard
[4:16] Speaker 1: for Doug simply what for shared Yes? With some avocado,
[4:19] Speaker 1: Because I mean, I'm a real millennial. In fact, I
[4:23] Speaker 1: had to delay buying a house so that I could
[4:26] Speaker 1: buy all my avocados. So definitely, if you're gonna put
[4:28] Speaker 1: baby paste on toast, let's at least Christian baby paste,
[4:32] Speaker 1: let's at least make sure we've got some avocado on there,
[4:35] Speaker 1: with a squeeze of lemon or lime juice. You need
[4:37] Speaker 1: a little bit of acidity. Helping Mega deconstruct says you
[4:41] Speaker 1: had some crazy callers yesterday, Dave online the line and
[4:45] Speaker 1: the flood guy on Unapologetic. We're truly puzzling individuals. Rock
[4:49] Speaker 1: hard for Doug simply what for shared horrors rule? Actually,
[4:52] Speaker 1: the flood guy was to me the most interesting person
[4:55] Speaker 1: I love. I love people who really, really believe the
[5:02] Speaker 1: flood happened. Like they're not just doing bad apologetics because
[5:06] Speaker 1: they feel like they have to, but they truly believe
[5:10] Speaker 1: that the flood happened. Those people are wild to me.
[5:13] Speaker 1: Good to see a friend and TMF thank you for
[5:16] Speaker 1: the supertest, says nice seeing you on Forrest's latest video.
[5:20] Speaker 1: GF Sarah and GF Justin gay for Sarah and gay
[5:24] Speaker 1: for Justin Hell. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. Tm
[5:28] Speaker 1: You know what that was funny. Forrest messaged me that morning,
[5:32] Speaker 1: was like, hey, can you help me out with the video.
[5:34] Speaker 1: I was like sure, what is it? I was like,
[5:36] Speaker 1: all right, let's I was like, I gotted some stuff
[5:40] Speaker 1: to do. But later today we'll record it. And boy,
[5:42] Speaker 1: he can really turn out a video fast. He's good
[5:44] Speaker 1: at that. But yeah, I was delighted to be able
[5:48] Speaker 1: to pop up in one of Forrest's video. He's a legend.
[5:51] Speaker 1: And Sona says, today is Virgin Mary Day in Argentina.
[5:54] Speaker 1: They have a day. They have a Virgin Mary Day
[5:57] Speaker 1: in Argentina, also national holiday. I hadn't, I had no idea. Also,
[6:04] Speaker 1: the day we put together the Christmas tree, what a
[6:07] Speaker 1: load of nonsense. Happy cooking well thank you. I appreciate that. Well,
[6:12] Speaker 1: I mean, hopefully we'll get some people to cook here soon.
[6:14] Speaker 1: The live streams have just opened, so we're just now
[6:17] Speaker 1: like populating the live streams with people. But soon soon
[6:23] Speaker 1: some people will be waking up and they'll be getting
[6:25] Speaker 1: into uh, they'll be getting into the live stream so
[6:28] Speaker 1: we can cook. And Bill says, love is spreading baby
[6:31] Speaker 1: paste on a drive. Well, it depends on how you've
[6:36] Speaker 1: done your baby based. Perhaps you've cremated the babies and
[6:39] Speaker 1: you can sprinkle the ashes of the baby bathed the
[6:43] Speaker 1: cool Thank you for the update. I'm sorry for the
[6:46] Speaker 1: super jest, says playless update disciple by Slayer. What if
[6:50] Speaker 1: there is no God? I think it doesn't. What if
[6:53] Speaker 1: there is no God? Yeah, would you think the fuck? Oh?
[6:56] Speaker 1: Would you think this is fucking same wasting your life
[6:58] Speaker 1: in a leap of blind faith? That's great. Wasting is
[7:02] Speaker 1: the right word too. Write. People ask like the Pascal's
[7:06] Speaker 1: wager is silly because people are like, what have you
[7:08] Speaker 1: got to lose? But you gotta lose on a lot
[7:10] Speaker 1: of shit, like actually having fun in life, actually building
[7:13] Speaker 1: relationships with people that you care about without thinking that
[7:17] Speaker 1: you have to turn them into your missionary venture, listening
[7:21] Speaker 1: to some really bad ass fucking music, watching some rated
[7:25] Speaker 1: R movies that are amazing. There's so much you're gonna
[7:28] Speaker 1: miss out on life. That's why Billy Joel wrote only
[7:31] Speaker 1: the Good Die Young. He was referring to religious people
[7:36] Speaker 1: in that they never actually get to live. They die young.
[7:41] Speaker 1: It's kind of an amazing song. I really enjoy it
[7:44] Speaker 1: to be fair Dark, thank you so much for the supertest,
[7:48] Speaker 1: says loving this stream time watching while I work well,
[7:50] Speaker 1: big w Dark Craig. And did you change your name
[7:54] Speaker 1: from low bar Bill to dark Craig? Is that the
[7:57] Speaker 1: same person? Let me know. Hey, Crystal's here. Welcome in, Crystal, Hi,
[8:08] Speaker 1: I never.
[8:09] Speaker 3: See you live during the day. I thought I would
[8:12] Speaker 3: just come out and hang out.
[8:15] Speaker 1: Yes, please do so fun. It's exciting. Guys. If you're
[8:21] Speaker 1: not falling Crystal, you're missing out. It really is. Everyone
[8:26] Speaker 1: make sure you're dropping Crystal a follow. She's a good
[8:27] Speaker 1: friend of mine and she's the one that put together
[8:30] Speaker 1: the Season of Reason, which there should still be links
[8:34] Speaker 1: in the description of the live stream. Let me double
[8:38] Speaker 1: check if if you let me see I, do you
[8:42] Speaker 1: get the Season of Reason? Meal drive If you need
[8:45] Speaker 1: a little bit of assistance. We are lending some assistance
[8:48] Speaker 1: through our nonprofit for the month of December for meals,
[8:53] Speaker 1: and if you want to lend assistance, there's a link
[8:56] Speaker 1: for you to lend assistance. For the reason, we actually
[9:01] Speaker 1: had a lot of people give already and we we
[9:03] Speaker 1: just it was a little bit late. I apologized because
[9:05] Speaker 1: we had some issues with our funding source, thinking that
[9:08] Speaker 1: we were like a a what's the word I'm looking for,
[9:12] Speaker 1: thinking we were like defrauding the government. Uh, But we
[9:16] Speaker 1: got it sorted out. We got we got the first
[9:19] Speaker 1: round for November cent out.
[9:21] Speaker 3: We're with Walmart gift card.
[9:29] Speaker 1: It's the craziest thing. It's the craziest thing. All right, Hey, listen,
[9:34] Speaker 1: christ I'm gonna read one super Chat and then let's
[9:36] Speaker 1: get our first guest in here.
[9:38] Speaker 3: I'm gonna listen to you cooks of people, and then
[9:41] Speaker 3: I'll be your comedic relief in between.
[9:43] Speaker 1: I love it. Birah Anna of Chaotic Copy Beerras, thank
[9:48] Speaker 1: you for the twenty hours super tensays can't wait to
[9:50] Speaker 1: watch totally rational people call in with totally rational opinions
[9:54] Speaker 1: and defend sane ideas. The heretical sect of horizontal worship
[9:58] Speaker 1: is pleased by this early communion and justin fulfilling revelation
[10:02] Speaker 1: seven sixteen for all of us. Well, thank you, I
[10:04] Speaker 1: really appreciate that. And you know that this topic is
[10:07] Speaker 1: going to bring out only the most stained among the believers,
[10:12] Speaker 1: only the most rational and the most sane of all believers.
[10:16] Speaker 1: We're not going to get any crazy people in here
[10:19] Speaker 1: today with this topic. I'm sure of it. I'm sure
[10:22] Speaker 1: of it, all.
[10:23] Speaker 3: Right, No wammies, big Bucks, big Bucks, no whammies.
[10:27] Speaker 1: Probably let's get Mike in here and then we'll get
[10:32] Speaker 1: Dan in here after Mike. Mike, welcome in. Are you
[10:36] Speaker 1: at least eighteen? And do you believe in God? Ope? Mike,
[10:45] Speaker 1: I think I think your connection is not good, buddy, Mike. Okay, well,
[10:50] Speaker 1: Mike's going all right. That was fast cooked gramble like
[10:54] Speaker 1: an omelet, like an egg.
[10:57] Speaker 3: Well, I will take the concession.
[11:01] Speaker 1: Absolutely. I guess that means Dan is up next, and Dave,
[11:07] Speaker 1: good to see him, my friend. Thank you for the
[11:08] Speaker 1: super jet, Dave. After listening to creation Guy on the flood,
[11:12] Speaker 1: I'm concerned about humanity. I know, I know what the
[11:15] Speaker 1: actual fuck. I simply cannot comprehend that level of brainwashed.
[11:19] Speaker 1: I'm constantly amazed at the idiocracy, So I mean it
[11:24] Speaker 1: used to amaze me, Dave. You know, we've been doing
[11:26] Speaker 1: this long enough that now it's hard for me to
[11:29] Speaker 1: be bought off guard or unawares. But there's still some
[11:34] Speaker 1: shocking stuff every now and then. All right, let's grab Dan.
[11:37] Speaker 1: Although I think we talked to Dan recently. Maybe welcome
[11:43] Speaker 1: and Dan? So's your teacupped? Did you mean to tea cup?
[11:48] Speaker 4: Come back?
[11:49] Speaker 3: Come back?
[11:49] Speaker 1: There you go? Dan? Did we talk before?
[11:54] Speaker 5: No?
[11:55] Speaker 6: Do we? Haven't they ever talked before?
[11:57] Speaker 7: Oh?
[11:57] Speaker 1: Okay, Well, welcome in Dan. I assume you're at least eighteen.
[12:02] Speaker 1: You sound like you're at least eighteen. And do you
[12:04] Speaker 1: believe in God?
[12:07] Speaker 4: No?
[12:07] Speaker 5: I don't. I'm a huge fan.
[12:10] Speaker 8: I just wanted to ask you one question, if that's okay,
[12:13] Speaker 8: and then I'll hop off for everybody else.
[12:15] Speaker 5: Sure, is that okay?
[12:17] Speaker 6: Yeah?
[12:18] Speaker 8: So I've heard you talk about contradictions, and you've brought
[12:22] Speaker 8: up the John three thirteen and second King's contradiction. And
[12:28] Speaker 8: I was reading on Elijah and a few verses a
[12:32] Speaker 8: few chapters later. If I'm not mistaken, Elia.
[12:34] Speaker 1: He sends a letter, Yeah, a letter that's.
[12:37] Speaker 8: The one I wanted to talk to you about. What
[12:39] Speaker 8: do you have to say about that.
[12:41] Speaker 1: It's anachronistic. They got the timeline wrong, that's all. I mean,
[12:46] Speaker 1: it's still a mistake. They goo Elijah didn't write a
[12:50] Speaker 1: letter and send it to the earth from heaven. That's
[12:54] Speaker 1: preposterous to believe. In fact, most of the almost all
[13:00] Speaker 1: academic sources agree that this is just a case of
[13:02] Speaker 1: anachronistic storytelling. When they compiled the stories, they didn't realize
[13:07] Speaker 1: that there was something out of order, and we find
[13:10] Speaker 1: that a lot. There's a bunch of anachronisms in the text.
[13:14] Speaker 9: So I was assuming that it was heaven, just the
[13:19] Speaker 9: heavens just up the sky that Elijah went too, and
[13:22] Speaker 9: then maybe he came back and wrote a lah, but
[13:24] Speaker 9: he doesn't say that. But this is a much clearer explanation,
[13:28] Speaker 9: and I wanted to hear it from you.
[13:30] Speaker 6: So that was all. Sorry for taking your time.
[13:32] Speaker 1: No, it's okay, Dan, it was. It's a really good topic.
[13:35] Speaker 1: Most people don't know about that, by the way, that's
[13:37] Speaker 1: like some inside baseball lore.
[13:41] Speaker 8: At least I'm glad that you could answer it better
[13:44] Speaker 8: than all this most so at least you could come
[13:50] Speaker 8: up with a response. Anyways, I'm a huge fan. I
[13:53] Speaker 8: want to see you cook some more people, so I'll
[13:55] Speaker 8: be listening. Cheers, buddy, good to hear from you. That
[14:00] Speaker 8: is a good question, though. I remember the first time
[14:02] Speaker 8: I ran. The first time I ran into the Letter
[14:06] Speaker 8: from Heaven, I was probably twenty two twenty three, and
[14:10] Speaker 8: I was in Bible college, and it was the one
[14:14] Speaker 8: time I specifically was reading through the Bible trying to
[14:19] Speaker 8: find mistakes because I had an atheist friend of mine
[14:23] Speaker 8: that and people have probably heard a story. I had
[14:24] Speaker 8: an atheist friend of mine that challenging me, and he said,
[14:28] Speaker 8: you assume everything in the Bible is true until somebody
[14:31] Speaker 8: else proves it wrong. He said, but prior the other way,
[14:34] Speaker 8: just assume that it's not true and read through it
[14:36] Speaker 8: once and see if you can prove it right.
[14:38] Speaker 1: So that's what I did. I was like, well, the
[14:39] Speaker 1: best way to do this then is to read through
[14:41] Speaker 1: it and find problems. So I started reading through it
[14:44] Speaker 1: and that's when I discovered the Letter from Heaven. I
[14:46] Speaker 1: was like, Oh, this motherfucker Okay.
[14:50] Speaker 3: I did not know about that so recently. I didn't know.
[14:55] Speaker 3: There were two stories about whether Jesus drank the vinegar
[14:59] Speaker 3: or not really.
[15:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, when we talk about stuff between John and
[15:06] Speaker 1: the synoptics, you'll find a lot of doubling because rather
[15:11] Speaker 1: than just admitting that the timeline was wrong, they have
[15:14] Speaker 1: to say, no, no, the timeline's not wrong. It just
[15:17] Speaker 1: happened twice. Okay, yeah, sure, that's that's what happened. What
[15:22] Speaker 1: are you gonna do, Well, let's get our next guest
[15:25] Speaker 1: in here. Mike came back. Hopefully Mike's reception is better
[15:29] Speaker 1: than the first time, so we'll we'll give it a
[15:32] Speaker 1: give it another go here, Welcome back, Mike. It's a
[15:40] Speaker 1: little better, a little better this time. You're really quiet.
[15:46] Speaker 1: It sounds like you've got the wrong microphone selected. I
[15:51] Speaker 1: can look real quick to see what you got. It
[15:53] Speaker 1: says your Bluetooth headset is connected. Yeah, it's not very good.
[16:00] Speaker 1: Let me try a speak your phone. See what that's like. Yeah,
[16:11] Speaker 1: that's better.
[16:14] Speaker 7: Is that better?
[16:16] Speaker 1: That's better?
[16:18] Speaker 7: Let me let me talk about blue Tooth all.
[16:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I think your Bluetooth is broken. Blue
[16:26] Speaker 1: tooth is broken, and your receptions really ope, and there
[16:31] Speaker 1: he goes. Okay, okay, Mike, storry about your luck. Yuess,
[16:39] Speaker 1: we'll get Cooper. Next, h, I don't never understand that
[16:45] Speaker 1: he Cooper? Welcome in. Are you at least eighteen? And
[16:49] Speaker 1: do you believe in God?
[16:51] Speaker 6: Yes? I do?
[16:52] Speaker 1: Okay, which guy do you believe in?
[16:57] Speaker 6: I believe in the Holy trin be the Father's Son
[17:01] Speaker 6: in the Holy Spirit.
[17:03] Speaker 1: Cool. So you're Christian? Do you think that the Christian
[17:05] Speaker 1: God is is all good? Maybe partially good, maybe sometimes good,
[17:10] Speaker 1: sometimes bad.
[17:14] Speaker 6: Well, Jesus is God, right?
[17:19] Speaker 1: Oh boy?
[17:19] Speaker 6: So so he when he came down he defended the
[17:25] Speaker 6: Old Testament. Right, So there's a difference between the Old
[17:28] Speaker 6: and the New Testament. The Old Testament, I would agree. Okay,
[17:32] Speaker 6: maybe he did do some bad things. I mean, I
[17:36] Speaker 6: cannot speak for God. You know he we cannot understand him,
[17:41] Speaker 6: we cannot we cannot begin to comprehend God.
[17:44] Speaker 1: If you can't comprehend God, then you can't tell me
[17:46] Speaker 1: he's good.
[17:52] Speaker 6: He's saying that if I can't comprehend God, if I
[17:55] Speaker 6: can't tell you.
[17:56] Speaker 1: If I lack the ability to know if God is bad,
[17:59] Speaker 1: you lack the ability.
[18:00] Speaker 5: To know if God is good.
[18:04] Speaker 1: Okay, that logically true?
[18:08] Speaker 6: All right, tell me what what? I'm sorry? I just
[18:13] Speaker 6: had to like address this. What what are you wearing
[18:18] Speaker 6: and like, what is the theme of your of your
[18:22] Speaker 6: your your setup, the like you see a lot of
[18:27] Speaker 6: I don't know what.
[18:29] Speaker 1: The theme is. Winter Wonderland, Winter Wonderland. I'm up here
[18:33] Speaker 1: to slay baby.
[18:35] Speaker 6: Okay, Winter Wonderland right right, Okay. I just want to
[18:41] Speaker 6: make sure you're not celebrating Christmas. You know, I am,
[18:46] Speaker 6: you are celebrating Christmas?
[18:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you a question, Cooper.
[18:51] Speaker 6: Mm hmm.
[18:53] Speaker 1: Was Jesus the same color as Santa Claus? H?
[18:59] Speaker 6: Well, Santa Claus is pagan? So I mean, but but Christmas,
[19:04] Speaker 6: you know, Christmas? You know you can say.
[19:07] Speaker 1: Literally said St Nick was pagan? Try this again? Was
[19:11] Speaker 1: Jesus the same skin color as Saint Nicholas?
[19:17] Speaker 6: Was Jesus this like skin color? Are you talking about
[19:20] Speaker 6: skin color?
[19:21] Speaker 1: Mm hm m hm.
[19:25] Speaker 6: I don't know about Saint Nick. I don't know about
[19:27] Speaker 6: Saint Nick. I think he's a church father, if I'm right?
[19:32] Speaker 10: M hm?
[19:32] Speaker 6: Is he a church father? Mm hmm okay, so yeah,
[19:37] Speaker 6: I'm I'm you know, I'm new, I'm new to you know,
[19:40] Speaker 6: like debating and and being apologetic from my faith. But
[19:44] Speaker 6: but I believe, you know, I I think you know,
[19:49] Speaker 6: having these conversations is important to you know, develop and girl,
[19:54] Speaker 6: And I think indeed, I'm sorry, was.
[19:57] Speaker 1: That I said? Indeed I'm agreeing?
[20:00] Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, and I think that, you know, I'm learning.
[20:03] Speaker 6: Having these conversations with you gives me a new perspective,
[20:07] Speaker 6: you know, to to understand you guys.
[20:11] Speaker 1: Sure, So why do you think God is good?
[20:16] Speaker 2: Well?
[20:16] Speaker 6: Why wouldn't he be? He's eleven God?
[20:19] Speaker 1: Well, let me ask you a question. Is it loving?
[20:23] Speaker 1: Is it loving to punish somebody by having them cannibalize
[20:27] Speaker 1: their own children?
[20:30] Speaker 6: Are you talking about First Samuel fifteen?
[20:34] Speaker 11: Nope?
[20:38] Speaker 6: Cannibalizing their children? You know, it's probably the Old Testament
[20:42] Speaker 6: I'm assuming though, m Is it.
[20:45] Speaker 1: A different God in the Old Testament? Or is it
[20:47] Speaker 1: the same God?
[20:52] Speaker 12: Well?
[20:53] Speaker 6: You know, we we it was it was it was.
[20:57] Speaker 6: It's a creation. We we are creation? Right? So God is.
[21:01] Speaker 1: Like, yeah, but is the God of the Old Testament
[21:04] Speaker 1: your god?
[21:09] Speaker 6: Technically? Yeah? Well he well, I mean I wasn't born
[21:12] Speaker 6: in that time right, I wasn't born during that time period?
[21:17] Speaker 2: Okay?
[21:17] Speaker 6: Was I were?
[21:18] Speaker 13: You?
[21:18] Speaker 1: We're pretty sure that you don't live in the Bronze Age,
[21:21] Speaker 1: But my question is relevant because like what you attempted
[21:25] Speaker 1: to do for just a second. There is suggests that
[21:27] Speaker 1: somehow we don't have to care about what God did
[21:31] Speaker 1: back in the Old Testament days, but we do because
[21:33] Speaker 1: it's the same God, right, the same reason why. Like,
[21:36] Speaker 1: for example, if like if you brought if someone was
[21:40] Speaker 1: gonna let's say you have a sister. I don't know
[21:42] Speaker 1: if you have a sister. Le say you have a
[21:43] Speaker 1: sister and she's like, listen, I'm gonna bring my new
[21:45] Speaker 1: boyfriend to dinner. And she was like, but you need
[21:49] Speaker 1: to know that I don't know, like ten years ago,
[21:52] Speaker 1: like he murdered an entire family and then turned him
[21:54] Speaker 1: into the baby paste, are you likely to be like, oh, yeah,
[21:58] Speaker 1: let's just welcome him into the family. He's reformed.
[22:01] Speaker 6: That's that's the that's the difference. You know, like us humans,
[22:05] Speaker 6: we're habitual, right, we have we have patterns, we have beliefs,
[22:09] Speaker 6: we have we have ideas.
[22:10] Speaker 1: Right, sure, but would you want your sister to date that?
[22:14] Speaker 6: We cannot begin to comprehend that, so I know it.
[22:17] Speaker 1: Neither can you. So you should answer the question, would
[22:19] Speaker 1: you be keen to welcome that that man into your
[22:25] Speaker 1: sister's life?
[22:30] Speaker 6: Well, I'm just setting you know the difference your analogy
[22:35] Speaker 6: the difference.
[22:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, we need to we need you to finish it right.
[22:39] Speaker 1: So the point of the analogy is that you can't
[22:42] Speaker 1: say that, like, well, God is different now. If he
[22:46] Speaker 1: was asshole, then he's an asshole. Now God's nature is unchanging.
[22:50] Speaker 6: Oh oh really, it's unchanging.
[22:55] Speaker 1: Do you think God can change, Well.
[22:59] Speaker 6: He decided to come down as human form and forgive.
[23:04] Speaker 1: Do you think God can learn new information?
[23:08] Speaker 6: I don't know. I don't think so.
[23:10] Speaker 1: Do you think God can change his mind?
[23:15] Speaker 8: Can?
[23:15] Speaker 6: I don't think he has a mind, But but.
[23:18] Speaker 1: Well, the Bible does. Bible says that he thinks. Bible
[23:23] Speaker 1: says that he makes decisions.
[23:26] Speaker 6: Right to help us understand, to help us understand.
[23:29] Speaker 1: No words, just mean words. I have no reason to
[23:34] Speaker 1: believe that the one hundred and fifty times it describes
[23:39] Speaker 1: God being very similar to humans, like it thinks it
[23:43] Speaker 1: has a will and emotions. To think that it doesn't
[23:47] Speaker 1: actually mean that. That's like, that's an apologetic that Christians
[23:50] Speaker 1: have to use. I don't have to use that nonsense apologetic.
[23:54] Speaker 1: There's a really good book by Esther Hamori. She's a professor,
[23:57] Speaker 1: called When Gods Were Men? If you read any of
[24:00] Speaker 1: the ancient Near Eastern literature. The further back in the
[24:03] Speaker 1: Bronze Age, you go, you realize that most of the
[24:06] Speaker 1: gods were believed could be very human.
[24:09] Speaker 4: Like.
[24:09] Speaker 1: That's why the Bible says that mankind was made in
[24:12] Speaker 1: the image of God, meaning we are in the likeness
[24:16] Speaker 1: of God, not that we have like a spiritual sense
[24:19] Speaker 1: that God has. I means we like physically look like
[24:23] Speaker 1: the gods.
[24:25] Speaker 6: M Yeah, we we were created in God's image. I
[24:32] Speaker 6: I disagree with that because.
[24:35] Speaker 1: I'm not a vengeful, bloodthirsty maniac.
[24:38] Speaker 6: Yeah, you bring up a good point, but yeah, in
[24:43] Speaker 6: the sense that you know, we we can create. You know,
[24:47] Speaker 6: a universe is is just you know, like we were
[24:51] Speaker 6: created in God's image. But you know, to say vice versa,
[24:55] Speaker 6: you know we're we're like God is almost you know,
[24:58] Speaker 6: it's blasphemous.
[25:00] Speaker 1: Blast mess with what the book says.
[25:03] Speaker 6: In fact says that we were creating in God's image.
[25:07] Speaker 6: That's what I said, created and not God created and
[25:11] Speaker 6: man's image.
[25:12] Speaker 1: I didn't say that, although that is the case. But
[25:15] Speaker 1: the Biblical story is that mankind was created in the
[25:18] Speaker 1: image of God, not the other way around. Now, I
[25:20] Speaker 1: personally believe that God was created in the image of
[25:24] Speaker 1: mankind and then you had to slowly work your way
[25:26] Speaker 1: out from them. But the kind of is getting around
[25:29] Speaker 1: the point, which is, I don't have any reason to
[25:32] Speaker 1: believe that this God is good when he punishes people
[25:37] Speaker 1: by having them cannibalize their own children. Like, do you
[25:40] Speaker 1: think there's think of any wrong you could ever do?
[25:44] Speaker 1: Let's say you did all kinds of horrible wrong things.
[25:47] Speaker 1: Is there ever a good reason to punish you by
[25:50] Speaker 1: having your children cannibalized?
[25:59] Speaker 6: I'm I think I think you know, like we all
[26:03] Speaker 6: do bad things, right, we all do bad things? Right?
[26:08] Speaker 6: Did you have you live?
[26:09] Speaker 1: If you I didn't hear it. I didn't hear an
[26:11] Speaker 1: answer the question. Well, listen, I know you're I know
[26:18] Speaker 1: you really want to do like the ray comfort, we
[26:20] Speaker 1: all sin a dialogue and that's a fun dialogue. We
[26:23] Speaker 1: can have that next. But I need an answer to
[26:24] Speaker 1: the question.
[26:26] Speaker 6: Can you repeat the question?
[26:28] Speaker 5: Please?
[26:29] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[26:29] Speaker 14: Yeah?
[26:30] Speaker 1: Is there any sin that you could commit that you
[26:32] Speaker 1: think it would be warranted that the punishment would be
[26:36] Speaker 1: you having to cannibalize your children?
[26:40] Speaker 6: I don't It does just like an illogical, like like
[26:45] Speaker 6: false dilemma kind of question.
[26:47] Speaker 1: It's not a false dilemma.
[26:50] Speaker 6: It doesn't. It feels like it feels like an illogical fallacy.
[26:54] Speaker 6: It feels like a fallacy.
[26:55] Speaker 1: It's not a fallacy, it's a it's really easy question.
[26:58] Speaker 1: Because God thinks it's okay. Therefore, parents will eat their
[27:02] Speaker 1: children in your midst and children will eat their parents.
[27:06] Speaker 1: I will inflict punishments upon you and scatter all who
[27:09] Speaker 1: remain to the winds. God thinks it's dope to punish
[27:13] Speaker 1: his people by having them cannibalize each other.
[27:17] Speaker 6: What a book is this?
[27:19] Speaker 1: It's in Ezekiel Jeremiah and Lamentations. Right now we're in Ezekiel.
[27:25] Speaker 6: Five, Ezekiel five, Ezekiel five ten. Yeah, I mean, like,
[27:30] Speaker 6: you know, you went to Bible school. I think that's
[27:33] Speaker 6: that's very interesting. You know you went in there with
[27:36] Speaker 6: the mindset of trying to, you know, disprove it, which.
[27:40] Speaker 1: Didn't you know it's I did not do that.
[27:43] Speaker 6: Well, I thought that's what you said. No, you said
[27:47] Speaker 6: to like, Okay, you know you believe in the Bible, Well,
[27:50] Speaker 6: why don't you try to disprove it or why don't
[27:55] Speaker 6: you try to look at it from a different perspective?
[27:59] Speaker 1: You don't know what you mean by a different perspective.
[28:01] Speaker 1: I went to Bubble College because I was an in seminary,
[28:04] Speaker 1: because I wanted to know what was true. I wasn't
[28:07] Speaker 1: trying to prove it right or prove it wrong. I
[28:10] Speaker 1: was just wanting to learn as much as I humanly could,
[28:12] Speaker 1: And I think I learned quite a bit, and I'm
[28:15] Speaker 1: still learning today. But the reality is, like Jeremiah nineteen nine,
[28:19] Speaker 1: God says, I will have them eat the flesh of
[28:21] Speaker 1: their sons and daughters. They shall eat one another's flesh
[28:23] Speaker 1: during the siege under which their enemies will besiege them.
[28:28] Speaker 1: Those who seek their lives will confine them. So what
[28:33] Speaker 1: I'm trying to say here is that I don't think
[28:36] Speaker 1: there's ever a situation. I don't think there's ever a
[28:38] Speaker 1: crime where it's okay to make the punishment eating children.
[28:44] Speaker 15: Do you.
[28:49] Speaker 6: What do you want to talk about crimes and punishments.
[28:54] Speaker 1: I would love to you, but I'm going to need
[28:56] Speaker 1: you to answer my question. Do you think there's ever
[28:58] Speaker 1: a crime where'sh There we go. You're right, unless it's
[29:05] Speaker 1: Jesus body, then it's not.
[29:07] Speaker 6: That it's horrible, Like nobody wants to kill babies and
[29:11] Speaker 6: there we go. And Okay, you're saying that it's that
[29:18] Speaker 6: that that that proves that that God is bad.
[29:23] Speaker 1: It's one of the many reasons why I don't believe
[29:26] Speaker 1: we can say that God is good.
[29:29] Speaker 6: Okay, well, you know we can continue that that that
[29:34] Speaker 6: topic about crimes and and and punishment. You know, let's
[29:39] Speaker 6: say you were you were convicted of murder, you know
[29:43] Speaker 6: you and you did murder, right, you sinned, and and
[29:50] Speaker 6: any punishment would condemn me to hell because you're you're lying, thieving, blasphemous.
[29:56] Speaker 1: I knew the rape comfort, the rape comfort street preaching
[30:01] Speaker 1: was gonna come out. Uh No, nope, wronging. I don't
[30:05] Speaker 1: think that there's ever a good reason to punish anybody
[30:08] Speaker 1: with hell, no matter what the crime is. I don't
[30:09] Speaker 1: even think Hitler should get help. There's no crime that
[30:14] Speaker 1: you're ever going to commit. The infinite I don't believe
[30:18] Speaker 1: in either one of them. But my point is there's
[30:20] Speaker 1: no crime that is infinite, and hell is infinite, which
[30:24] Speaker 1: means in order for anyone to deserve hell, you must
[30:28] Speaker 1: commit a crime that is somehow infinitely bad and infinitely ongoing.
[30:39] Speaker 1: Do I believe that people should be punished, Yes, yeah,
[30:41] Speaker 1: I believe punishments are good? Do I believe hell should happen?
[30:47] Speaker 16: No?
[30:47] Speaker 1: Hell silly?
[30:49] Speaker 6: So then what do you think happens when you die?
[30:52] Speaker 1: Nothing? You go to the ground. You're done. There's no punishment.
[30:56] Speaker 6: Your body goes to the ground.
[30:58] Speaker 1: That's all you have. You don't have a soul. There's
[31:00] Speaker 1: no such thing as a soul.
[31:05] Speaker 6: Mm hmmm. You don't believe in a soul?
[31:07] Speaker 1: Why why would I? We have no evidence for it.
[31:11] Speaker 1: All the evidence we have shows that your brain is
[31:14] Speaker 1: the seed of consciousness. There when That's why you can
[31:17] Speaker 1: take a pill and your entire personality changes. That's why
[31:20] Speaker 1: you can have a lobotomy in your your personality changes.
[31:24] Speaker 1: That's why you can sever your two brain haves and
[31:29] Speaker 1: have two personalities. I mean, as far as we can tell,
[31:33] Speaker 1: your soul is just your your brain.
[31:41] Speaker 6: Mm hmm. Yeah, I mean there there are lots of
[31:53] Speaker 6: you know, disabilities, mental disabilities. Yeah, you can take pills
[32:00] Speaker 6: and and become a different person. Yeah, you make it
[32:15] Speaker 6: a great point. Fair enough, I understand.
[32:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, so let me let me ask you
[32:23] Speaker 1: the last question. Then, how could you determine, like to say,
[32:30] Speaker 1: Hooper believes that God is good? How can you determine
[32:33] Speaker 1: that God is good? Like, what tool could you employ
[32:37] Speaker 1: to determine if that claim is true?
[32:47] Speaker 6: I don't know, we were switching the topic. I kind
[32:50] Speaker 6: of got lost because I was still thinking about that
[32:53] Speaker 6: what we what we first left off?
[32:55] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's a just scary thing to think
[32:58] Speaker 1: that at the end of this life just nothing. It's
[33:01] Speaker 1: just like before you were born, you don't exist anymore.
[33:08] Speaker 1: You'll make peace with it eventually, though, Like it's okay,
[33:11] Speaker 1: it sucks at first. I promise you'll get over it.
[33:15] Speaker 1: We all do.
[33:17] Speaker 3: We do. We really did get over it.
[33:22] Speaker 6: M hm, well don't well, don't put me, we in
[33:27] Speaker 6: that category.
[33:27] Speaker 1: But but yeah, it's okay.
[33:33] Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a great conversation.
[33:35] Speaker 1: All right, Cooper, thanks for coming up and talking with us.
[33:37] Speaker 1: You're you're a nice young man. A lot of people
[33:40] Speaker 1: come up here and to get hostile, and you didn't
[33:42] Speaker 1: do that.
[33:44] Speaker 6: No, No, it's it's the grace of God. You know,
[33:48] Speaker 6: I'm not here to attack anybody. Understand your perspective and
[33:54] Speaker 6: and set the truth.
[33:57] Speaker 1: Okay. Well, it's good talking Cooper, and uh hope you
[34:03] Speaker 1: hope you enjoy your Christmas yep.
[34:06] Speaker 6: Likewise, I have a cool one cheers.
[34:12] Speaker 1: The the tough conversation to have at that age. They're
[34:16] Speaker 1: not ready for it, you know, kind of get kind
[34:23] Speaker 1: of like getting blindsided you.
[34:24] Speaker 3: I would cry. I would have cried and ran away.
[34:30] Speaker 3: I tell people that all the time. If I had
[34:33] Speaker 3: hurt any of this at that age, I would have
[34:35] Speaker 3: just been in the fetal position.
[34:37] Speaker 1: I know it's the duke, Thank you for the ten
[34:41] Speaker 1: Supert says, is Dan from the tribe of Dan. Isn't
[34:44] Speaker 1: it too early in the day for a stream? Well? Uh, yes, uh,
[34:50] Speaker 1: and no, where is the cat hair cat hair thingy,
[34:54] Speaker 1: cat layer thingy. I mean you mean the chair, the
[34:58] Speaker 1: cat chair thingy? Will be ever see the twins? So
[35:01] Speaker 1: many questions? Well that I had to put the cat
[35:03] Speaker 1: chair down because I need a smaller one. This one
[35:05] Speaker 1: keeps falling off the shelf, and the last time it
[35:08] Speaker 1: fell off the shelf, the cat fell with it. So
[35:09] Speaker 1: I'm gonna get a smaller one that fits a little
[35:11] Speaker 1: bit better. That being said, you'll probably never see my
[35:15] Speaker 1: twin on stream on stream. This is not what he is,
[35:19] Speaker 1: not the type of stuff he wants to do, nor
[35:22] Speaker 1: does he want to be associated with, like de converting people.
[35:25] Speaker 1: I think it's some I think some people would be
[35:28] Speaker 1: very upset to see him doing that, but you'll probably
[35:32] Speaker 1: run intohim eventually. He's actually got a fairly large online presence,
[35:37] Speaker 1: just not in social media. I can't tell you what
[35:39] Speaker 1: he does. He owns a business that also is pretty
[35:42] Speaker 1: active in the internets. Milaniitis, thank you for the Superjet
[35:46] Speaker 1: says for my b day I receive, misquoting Jesus Hell. Yeah,
[35:49] Speaker 1: good book. It was one of the first books I
[35:52] Speaker 1: ever wrote or read, I mean read that was critical
[35:56] Speaker 1: of the Bible. Is it a good resource? Yes, very
[35:58] Speaker 1: good resource. And also how to talk to Christians who
[36:01] Speaker 1: haven't read the book, well, I mean buy the book,
[36:05] Speaker 1: buy them a copy of the book and let him
[36:08] Speaker 1: read it. Also, you can just look up some of
[36:12] Speaker 1: the arguments in the book and find the evidence and
[36:15] Speaker 1: show it to him, you know. Beggie says, great to
[36:17] Speaker 1: be able to join the live stream here in UK
[36:20] Speaker 1: enjoy the cooking. Well, thank you, Beggie. I appreciate that.
[36:23] Speaker 1: And yes, I am going to try to get more
[36:26] Speaker 1: daytime streams in for people that live in different time zones.
[36:29] Speaker 1: It's just hard to alter my schedule sometimes. Drew, good
[36:33] Speaker 1: to see my friend. Thank you for the twenty dollars
[36:35] Speaker 1: super chest. There's big difference between let's Eat kids and
[36:39] Speaker 1: let's eat kids. Yes, that is. Commas are very important,
[36:46] Speaker 1: and I understand that not everyone likes to use commas.
[36:49] Speaker 1: I use commas maybe more than I should, because it
[36:53] Speaker 1: really helps you to understand the phraseology. But I'm a
[36:55] Speaker 1: million percent with you or Drew Big of Herbie says,
[37:00] Speaker 1: what's everyone going on about this morning? It's for hem
[37:04] Speaker 1: in the jolly old UK justin. Do you have any
[37:06] Speaker 1: other shows to rush off to? I don't today, no
[37:08] Speaker 1: shows to rush off to today, but I am doing
[37:11] Speaker 1: a morning stream, so enjoy it. Friends, I've got former
[37:14] Speaker 1: super chats. We'll get our next guest and here space
[37:16] Speaker 1: Lord says, good morning. May I always be intellectually honest
[37:19] Speaker 1: enough to never reflexively defend anything. Yes, you've nailed it,
[37:24] Speaker 1: space Lord. Most of the apologetics are reflexes. They don't
[37:29] Speaker 1: know what they don't even know what's about to leave
[37:30] Speaker 1: their mouth. They're just reflexing. And Meron says I was
[37:35] Speaker 1: dreading Monday. I am glad you are alive this early. Well,
[37:38] Speaker 1: thank you. I'm also excited to find you on AX
[37:41] Speaker 1: and Matt de la honey, are my top two praise Doug, well,
[37:44] Speaker 1: thank you, I really appreciate that. And Matt is tops.
[37:48] Speaker 1: He's Matt's always. He's just a legend, you know. Dark
[37:51] Speaker 1: Craig says, do you think eternal conscious torment is supported
[37:54] Speaker 1: by the Bible or totally later development? Yes, I changed
[37:56] Speaker 1: my name just fucking around, Okay, so I think it
[37:59] Speaker 1: is reported. I think depending on which verses you want
[38:02] Speaker 1: to pull out of the Bible, you can get yourself
[38:05] Speaker 1: to eternal conscious torment or you can get yourself to annihilation.
[38:08] Speaker 1: It's one of those situations where it just depends on
[38:11] Speaker 1: which verses you pick out. But the reality is both
[38:14] Speaker 1: of them are supported by the text and still attacks
[38:17] Speaker 1: a bit. Good to see you with your old name.
[38:19] Speaker 1: Says God is beyond our comprehension, but here's what he thinks,
[38:23] Speaker 1: and here's why he does what he does. You nailed it.
[38:26] Speaker 1: You nailed it a million percent. That's exactly what happens.
[38:30] Speaker 1: And last supertep for now from our friend former prophet
[38:33] Speaker 1: Nathan says, got my YouTube replay and vert stream was
[38:36] Speaker 1: number one. Watch five hundred and sixty seven of your videos.
[38:41] Speaker 1: I've learned so much. Thank you, Rocket for Douglason flow,
[38:43] Speaker 1: what for share more former profit Nathan? That is that
[38:46] Speaker 1: is a mountain of video watching. I really appreciate everyone
[38:50] Speaker 1: who watched, likes, and shares the channel, especially those people
[38:55] Speaker 1: that have like seen hundreds of my videos. It really does,
[39:00] Speaker 1: it really does warm my heart to know that people
[39:03] Speaker 1: are supporting the channel as much as they do. Are
[39:06] Speaker 1: We're gonna get ADP from.
[39:07] Speaker 3: One for me too. And I did tell you no,
[39:10] Speaker 3: I watched you that much on YouTube. I was like, wait, what,
[39:13] Speaker 3: I didn't even oh that because I'm not on YouTube
[39:17] Speaker 3: as often.
[39:18] Speaker 1: You know, I wonder I haven't looked at my at
[39:22] Speaker 1: my most viewed channels. I'll have to take a look
[39:25] Speaker 1: this week and see who's number one. I don't even
[39:27] Speaker 1: know who's gonna be. I watched so many videos it's
[39:30] Speaker 1: gonna be it'd be tough to figure out where I land.
[39:34] Speaker 1: ADP welcome in. Are you at least eighteen? And do
[39:37] Speaker 1: you believe in God?
[39:39] Speaker 16: Hey?
[39:40] Speaker 4: Justin?
[39:40] Speaker 17: I am over eighteen and I do not believe in God.
[39:44] Speaker 1: Okay, well, we're just looking for people who do believe
[39:46] Speaker 1: in God right now so we can do some debates. Okay, yeah,
[39:50] Speaker 1: that's great.
[39:51] Speaker 18: Could I call back maybe later when the queues smaller.
[39:53] Speaker 18: I just had a question for you.
[39:56] Speaker 1: I mean you might as well ask it now you're
[39:58] Speaker 1: already up here.
[40:00] Speaker 17: Yeah, Well, sorry about that.
[40:01] Speaker 18: I guess so I was watching your I think it
[40:04] Speaker 18: was you and Sarah we're discussing, you know, the morality
[40:06] Speaker 18: of Hell.
[40:07] Speaker 17: I think it was yesterday or maybe the day prior.
[40:10] Speaker 18: And I guess you know, I've deconstructed, and with like
[40:14] Speaker 18: the holidays coming up, I've been just kind of thinking
[40:17] Speaker 18: and it's like, I have family members and you know,
[40:19] Speaker 18: some friends who are still Christians, and I guess that
[40:24] Speaker 18: morality of Hell conversation has kind of led me to
[40:28] Speaker 18: kind of think about those relationships a little bit more,
[40:31] Speaker 18: because you know, the way I see it, like, and
[40:35] Speaker 18: you don't have to get like personal, because I know
[40:36] Speaker 18: you've also discussed like you still have relationships with Christian
[40:40] Speaker 18: friends and family and things of that nature. But the
[40:42] Speaker 18: way that I see it is, you know, I wouldn't
[40:45] Speaker 18: necessarily want to be friends with someone who or like
[40:49] Speaker 18: have a close relationship with a family member who was
[40:52] Speaker 18: like okay with me getting murdered you know, in like
[40:55] Speaker 18: a week or show, right, And hell is infinite and
[40:59] Speaker 18: infinitely worse than you know, dying here on earth. So
[41:03] Speaker 18: I guess, how do you and you don't have to
[41:05] Speaker 18: talk about like your personal life, but I guess how
[41:09] Speaker 18: would you advise people to, you know, pursue those relationships with,
[41:15] Speaker 18: you know, Christians who and I know there are Christians
[41:17] Speaker 18: who more progressive and like, have more progressive beliefs about hell,
[41:20] Speaker 18: but let's say they're more traditional beliefs.
[41:23] Speaker 17: It's like, how do you kind of navigate that?
[41:26] Speaker 18: Because it's like, you know, I don't I wouldn't necessarily
[41:29] Speaker 18: be a friend with someone who is, you know, passively
[41:32] Speaker 18: okay with me getting murdered. So it's like, why would
[41:34] Speaker 18: I be friends with someone who is passively okay with
[41:37] Speaker 18: me getting you know, tormented for eternity?
[41:40] Speaker 1: Well, I don't think they think about it a whole lot,
[41:43] Speaker 1: And I don't think that they think that it's like
[41:47] Speaker 1: not your doing. Like the people who believe that you're
[41:49] Speaker 1: going to hell understand, at least in their mind, they
[41:53] Speaker 1: have an understanding that it's your fault you go to hell, right,
[41:56] Speaker 1: so they've already rationalized anyone that goes to Hell it
[42:00] Speaker 1: was their own doing. It's terrible, but it was their
[42:02] Speaker 1: own doing so, they're not like, they don't view it
[42:05] Speaker 1: as murder. They don't view it as like this great evil.
[42:08] Speaker 1: That's why you have to have conversations with them to
[42:11] Speaker 1: help them to understand that it is a great evil
[42:14] Speaker 1: that we're born into a sinful nature. We can't help
[42:17] Speaker 1: ourselves but sin, and then because we're not perfect and
[42:21] Speaker 1: we don't believe in the skycarcass God is going to
[42:23] Speaker 1: torture us for all eternity. It's preposterous. But you have
[42:26] Speaker 1: to help them to understand that their viewpoint is preposterous.
[42:30] Speaker 1: They don't realize it's preposterous.
[42:34] Speaker 18: Okay, yeah, that makes sense. I guess murder is kind
[42:36] Speaker 18: of the wrong thing to use in that situation. I
[42:39] Speaker 18: guess it would just be like maybe you commit like
[42:42] Speaker 18: a petty crime, and whether they believe that you should
[42:45] Speaker 18: you know, get the electric chair for it or something
[42:47] Speaker 18: like that. I know there's not maybe a pro there's
[42:49] Speaker 18: probably a better analogy for it, but I guess it's
[42:52] Speaker 18: just the passive belief for tolerance that like someone close
[42:55] Speaker 18: to you is gonna, you know, get tormented. But I
[42:59] Speaker 18: think you're right, you know, it's not something that they
[43:01] Speaker 18: really think about, like a lot of other things, but anyway,
[43:03] Speaker 18: that was all I wanted to ask, So I'll let
[43:05] Speaker 18: you I'll let you go.
[43:07] Speaker 1: Thanks, cheers, friend, good luck, good luck? Yeah, all right, friends,
[43:12] Speaker 1: we're just looking for opposition. But we love that you're
[43:15] Speaker 1: here watching support in the channel. But everyone's here to
[43:18] Speaker 1: see a debate. So let's make sure we're sticking to
[43:23] Speaker 1: the goal of the live stream, and let's get our
[43:29] Speaker 1: next guest in here. I think our Mike came back.
[43:33] Speaker 1: We'll try Mike again, Mike. If your connection is so
[43:36] Speaker 1: bad that you can't connect, we're just gonna have to
[43:39] Speaker 1: You're gonna have to find a better way to connect.
[43:43] Speaker 1: All right. One second, it shows right now, Mike that
[43:47] Speaker 1: you're only halfway connected. We'll see if we can even
[43:50] Speaker 1: bring you in. All right, welcome back, Mike. Are you
[43:58] Speaker 1: at least eighteen? And do you believe in God? Of course,
[44:04] Speaker 1: you don't have any hardware connected. No one can hear
[44:10] Speaker 1: you when you come in the room. You have to
[44:20] Speaker 1: tell it what hardware you want to use. So are
[44:22] Speaker 1: at least eighteen? And do you believe in God?
[44:25] Speaker 4: Yes? And yes?
[44:26] Speaker 1: Awesome? In which God do you believe in?
[44:30] Speaker 14: I believe in Jesus Awesome?
[44:33] Speaker 1: And do you think that the Jesus splash, the Christian
[44:37] Speaker 1: God is all good, somewhat good, mixture of good or
[44:41] Speaker 1: bad or not good? Well, I got an argument before
[44:46] Speaker 1: you probably never heard of. Well, what I'm hoping for
[44:49] Speaker 1: is an answer to my question.
[44:50] Speaker 2: So do you believe that God?
[44:53] Speaker 14: Which God are you talking about in the Old Testament?
[44:56] Speaker 1: Your God? Do you believe that your God is good?
[45:00] Speaker 14: I believe there are two of them in the Old Testament?
[45:02] Speaker 1: Adorable. Do you think that either one of them is
[45:04] Speaker 1: all good?
[45:06] Speaker 7: One of them is?
[45:07] Speaker 11: One of them?
[45:07] Speaker 7: Is I believe is the Devil?
[45:10] Speaker 1: Well, the Devil's not God necessarily. You could say he's
[45:13] Speaker 1: like a demi God, or he's a smaller or he's
[45:18] Speaker 1: like God. So who's the top guy?
[45:22] Speaker 6: Okay?
[45:22] Speaker 7: I would say that Yahweh is there.
[45:26] Speaker 1: I would say that Yahweh is the top God.
[45:29] Speaker 7: But there is an impostor in the Bible that pretends.
[45:33] Speaker 11: To be Yahweh.
[45:35] Speaker 1: And sure, and you think that that is Satan.
[45:40] Speaker 7: I believe that Satan being as an imposture.
[45:43] Speaker 1: Yes, awesome. And who created Satan?
[45:48] Speaker 2: God?
[45:49] Speaker 1: Okay, So who's on the hook for Satan's nonsense? Then?
[45:54] Speaker 17: Well that would be God?
[45:55] Speaker 1: No, there we go. So if if he's on the
[45:57] Speaker 1: hook for Satan's nonsense, that means God's not good.
[46:01] Speaker 7: Okay, that's a fair point. Let me ask you this,
[46:06] Speaker 7: do you believe in Genesis one? In Genesis two there
[46:10] Speaker 7: are two different creation stories.
[46:13] Speaker 1: I believe there are two different stories, one from the
[46:14] Speaker 1: Northern Kingdom, one from the Southern Kingdom. That's why we
[46:18] Speaker 1: have one of them talking about Elohem and one of
[46:21] Speaker 1: them talking about Yahweh. The Yahs were from Judah, the
[46:26] Speaker 1: Eloists were from the northern tribes.
[46:30] Speaker 7: Well, it says in Genesis one that man was created last,
[46:34] Speaker 7: but in Genesis two, man was created first.
[46:36] Speaker 1: That's right, and that they weren't created first. But I mean, yes,
[46:43] Speaker 1: the order of operations differ between the two stories.
[46:46] Speaker 7: Right, Okay. Also, it says in Genesis one that God
[46:51] Speaker 7: blessed that God gave him the earth and blessed him.
[46:53] Speaker 7: He created male and female at the same time. And
[46:57] Speaker 7: in Genesis two, God created man and then he created
[47:02] Speaker 7: woman out of the rib of a man.
[47:05] Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
[47:06] Speaker 7: So I mean that's two different creation stories if you
[47:09] Speaker 7: ask me.
[47:10] Speaker 1: We agree because originally the two people groups were different
[47:14] Speaker 1: people groups and they had to merge their stories into
[47:17] Speaker 1: one book during the Assyrian invasion. So, like millions of
[47:24] Speaker 1: people went south into Judea during the Assyrian invasion to
[47:28] Speaker 1: seek refuge, and since they had somewhat of a common
[47:33] Speaker 1: history and a common religion already, they tried to merge
[47:36] Speaker 1: the two people groups into one people group, and they
[47:38] Speaker 1: kind of had to conflate their religious backstories so that
[47:43] Speaker 1: they can live in peace, similar to what we find today,
[47:46] Speaker 1: Like if you go to like Brazil or Nicaragua or
[47:49] Speaker 1: some other country that's heavily Catholic, you'll find that they
[47:52] Speaker 1: mixed Catholicism with their native religion, like they find a
[47:56] Speaker 1: way to smush them together. And that's kind of what
[47:58] Speaker 1: happened during the Assyria in conquest.
[48:01] Speaker 7: Well, that's just like Al was was was the highest God.
[48:06] Speaker 7: And when it when it says that uh that Al
[48:10] Speaker 7: gave his sons the land he gave, he gave his
[48:14] Speaker 7: sons different lands, and it says the yahweys was.
[48:18] Speaker 1: Israel, that's right. It says it was the Lord's own
[48:21] Speaker 1: portion yahways portion Deuteronomy thirty two eight. So listen, it
[48:26] Speaker 1: sounds like we actually agree that God's not good. So
[48:29] Speaker 1: I don't know if there's anywhere to go from here
[48:31] Speaker 1: other than shooting the ship, and no one's here to
[48:33] Speaker 1: watch us shoot the ship. So thanks for calling any Mike. Well,
[48:37] Speaker 1: I got one one more thing, hey you, I'm sure
[48:40] Speaker 1: you do all right. We're going to bring in our
[48:43] Speaker 1: next guest. It's gonna be Moses' Testament. Ash, thank you
[48:47] Speaker 1: for the supertest says how to deal with questions like
[48:50] Speaker 1: you'll understand when you're older or you're going through a phase. Yeah,
[48:54] Speaker 1: what I tell him is, uh, that's certainly not true,
[48:57] Speaker 1: because there's a lot of atheists that are old. There
[49:01] Speaker 1: are many atheists that are much much older than even
[49:05] Speaker 1: the people telling you that. So no, it's not just
[49:07] Speaker 1: a phase, and it certainly really old. Justin not you,
[49:13] Speaker 1: not you. I'm thinking like Daniel Dennett some of the
[49:17] Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that die atheists, So you know,
[49:23] Speaker 1: tell them that their religion is just a phase. When
[49:26] Speaker 1: they say, like, your atheism is just a phase, just
[49:28] Speaker 1: say no, no, no, no, your Christianity's just a phase.
[49:31] Speaker 1: You'll learn when you're older. Because that it's a dumb
[49:34] Speaker 1: saying and it cuts both ways, you know, It's Oh well,
[49:37] Speaker 1: Booget says, I'm sick Doug heal me with his early stream. Well,
[49:41] Speaker 1: hell yeah, another miracle of Doug. I love it, and
[49:45] Speaker 1: you'll landa great to see you friend, because I love
[49:47] Speaker 1: when you read these comments. Love it well, hell yeah, Yolanda.
[49:51] Speaker 1: You know I'm going to read the comments. You know
[49:53] Speaker 1: I'm going to read the comments. Good to see your friend.
[49:55] Speaker 1: I hope you're doing well. And Miko says, oh, this
[49:57] Speaker 1: is a pleasant surprise. Miko, It's a pleasant surprise to
[50:01] Speaker 1: have you here, although I'm not terribly surprised because you
[50:04] Speaker 1: watch a lot of the content from the channel and
[50:06] Speaker 1: I love and appreciate it. Friend Boket says, we'll follow Crystal.
[50:11] Speaker 1: The guest seems to smoke it. Well, that might be
[50:14] Speaker 1: the case, and make sure friends that you are following Crystal.
[50:19] Speaker 1: And I would elaborate on the quote, but if I
[50:25] Speaker 1: say anything more than what's in the super chat, the
[50:27] Speaker 1: stream will get taken down off of TikTok. But I
[50:29] Speaker 1: think we all know what's going on here. Doctor Wassembla
[50:33] Speaker 1: says Daytime Show, Hi, Justin and Crystal cook him good well,
[50:36] Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate that. And one more super chat
[50:40] Speaker 1: from Georgie Gargoyle King Okay, took me a second to
[50:47] Speaker 1: get that. Never too early for his dream gay for
[50:50] Speaker 1: Justin Hill Satan, Well, big W, gargoyle king, big W.
[50:53] Speaker 1: Thank you for that. All right, let's get our next
[50:55] Speaker 1: guest in here. It's going to be Moses' Testament and
[50:57] Speaker 1: then Addie after that Loman Moses, are you at least eighteen?
[51:08] Speaker 1: And do you believe in God?
[51:10] Speaker 10: Oh?
[51:11] Speaker 19: Hello, good day? Like, yeah, I'm over eighteen. Actually from
[51:15] Speaker 19: my background, I used to be Christian. Because of Tuvia Singer,
[51:19] Speaker 19: I kind of deconstructed my Christianity. But the problems with
[51:25] Speaker 19: his claims, like I know that you know actually him,
[51:28] Speaker 19: so because of you, I started to question like his
[51:32] Speaker 19: belief system and kind of like when I turned eighteen
[51:37] Speaker 19: this year, I kind of thought, like they don't have
[51:43] Speaker 19: like a good basis right.
[51:45] Speaker 4: Like are they just straight up lying?
[51:47] Speaker 19: It's like someone like Rabbi Tuvia Singer just lying about
[51:51] Speaker 19: his claims or is he actually just what is this?
[51:56] Speaker 4: Why does disbelief?
[51:58] Speaker 1: I think the Jewish people who who still believe in
[52:01] Speaker 1: the Hebrew Bible are doing the same thing Christians are doing.
[52:05] Speaker 1: They're kicking the can down the road. They're kind of
[52:09] Speaker 1: doing like you know, well, we know it didn't come
[52:13] Speaker 1: true in the way that it was given, but it'll
[52:15] Speaker 1: come true eventually. They've got their same apologetics, you know.
[52:20] Speaker 1: But that being said, at least my experience with the
[52:23] Speaker 1: Jewish people is that they're not afraid to question their
[52:28] Speaker 1: own book. They're not afraid to question their own God.
[52:30] Speaker 1: In fact, say they'll fight God in the parking lot
[52:33] Speaker 1: of Adennis, you know. So at least they're willing to
[52:37] Speaker 1: engage in healthy dialogue, whereas Christians just kind of lose
[52:40] Speaker 1: their minds when you try to question them. But so
[52:42] Speaker 1: most of it sounds like you don't really believe in
[52:47] Speaker 1: the Christian God or the Jewish God anymore.
[52:50] Speaker 19: Like the moral aspect put like the whole faith out
[52:54] Speaker 19: of me. But I feel like, for example, like to
[52:57] Speaker 19: be a singer is like really knowledgeable, Like he's very smart.
[53:02] Speaker 19: But I think because of that, I'm thinking about maybe
[53:04] Speaker 19: it's like lying about his claims more than just thinking
[53:08] Speaker 19: that that's true.
[53:11] Speaker 10: You know.
[53:11] Speaker 1: I think I think he's an honest guy. I know
[53:13] Speaker 1: him personally, I like him a lot. I don't think
[53:15] Speaker 1: he's lying. I just think that he's done, you know,
[53:18] Speaker 1: he's done some apologetics like this is the guy who
[53:22] Speaker 1: literally believes that the Messiah is just around the corner.
[53:25] Speaker 1: And I agree with you. He's a very likable individual.
[53:29] Speaker 1: That's why I like him. But I don't think he's lying.
[53:31] Speaker 1: I think he truly believes it. How he gets to
[53:35] Speaker 1: that belief is is where we differ. He and I
[53:38] Speaker 1: would obviously differ on what we think is true, but I.
[53:43] Speaker 4: Mean basis for his belief right, Like.
[53:48] Speaker 1: That may be. But listen, I'm not Toby as representative.
[53:51] Speaker 1: If you want to debate Toby, you gotta go talk
[53:54] Speaker 1: to him.
[53:56] Speaker 4: I just don't understand, like the obviously like very connect all.
[54:01] Speaker 1: Right, Moses, it sounds like you're not really opposition and
[54:03] Speaker 1: we got to get at some opposition in the box.
[54:05] Speaker 4: Okay, Like I'm not like like Ada Scott, I wouldn't.
[54:10] Speaker 1: Like, you're not opposition even if you believe in a
[54:14] Speaker 1: deistic force. Okay, move on to the next one.
[54:17] Speaker 3: Intellectual people believe. I don't think that has anything to
[54:22] Speaker 3: do with it. You know, I think he really believes.
[54:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, he does. Listen, there are a lot of smart
[54:29] Speaker 1: people who believe in these religions and that's okay, Like
[54:33] Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that they're lying. Sometimes smart people, and look.
[54:36] Speaker 3: How smart you are. I'm pretty smart, I think, and
[54:40] Speaker 3: I believed for a while.
[54:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, we weren't. We weren't lying, and we weren't stupid.
[54:45] Speaker 1: When we believed. We just, you know, we were convinced
[54:48] Speaker 1: by a certain number of things, and now we're not.
[54:51] Speaker 1: Now we're not convinced by those things. You know what
[54:53] Speaker 1: I mean, Cynthia, thank you for the six sixty six.
[54:56] Speaker 1: It says I was always an atheist, then I've read
[54:59] Speaker 1: the Holy Book and became anti theists. That's for real, Cynthia.
[55:03] Speaker 1: One of the things like, you can be a generic atheist,
[55:06] Speaker 1: but when you start reading like the Koran or the Bible,
[55:08] Speaker 1: there's so much bullshit in there. You're like, oh, this
[55:11] Speaker 1: is toxic. We can't have any of this. Evan Rock says,
[55:15] Speaker 1: miracle have dug today? Hell yeah, I prayed the doug
[55:18] Speaker 1: before the gym, went in with shoulders, left with boulders.
[55:22] Speaker 1: I've been rock hard ever since. Praised. It's like, hell yeah, Evan, listen,
[55:26] Speaker 1: I've been telling people people, uh, and I'm sure you've
[55:30] Speaker 1: seen it, Crystal. People want to slack off in the gym,
[55:33] Speaker 1: and sometimes they don't care to do full workouts. But listen, friends,
[55:38] Speaker 1: if you want bolder shoulders, you've got to do You've
[55:41] Speaker 1: got to do a full workout. If you want rock
[55:44] Speaker 1: hard buns, you've got to do a full workout. Don't
[55:48] Speaker 1: just go in and think you're gonna do biceps. You
[55:50] Speaker 1: go in and, like Doug, do a well rounded workout
[55:54] Speaker 1: so you could be rock hard all over. Michael says, oh,
[55:58] Speaker 1: don't never skip leg day. Friends. Michael says, oh my god,
[56:02] Speaker 1: that cat matches are sorry that cat matched so well
[56:05] Speaker 1: with your sweater.
[56:06] Speaker 4: Love it.
[56:07] Speaker 1: Actually, you know what we do match today? The kittens
[56:10] Speaker 1: and the sweaters are like called coordinated almost. Dred says, yo, justin,
[56:16] Speaker 1: big fan, what do you think about asking callers which
[56:18] Speaker 1: Bible they consult after their age? Also, why can't Stevie
[56:22] Speaker 1: wonder and his I'm sorry to see his friends answer
[56:25] Speaker 1: he got married. Oof.
[56:27] Speaker 13: Oof oof.
[56:29] Speaker 1: It's funny because it's true, but it's really it's a
[56:32] Speaker 1: really fucking funny joke. Oh boy, it is a good question.
[56:41] Speaker 1: I don't know if we should add that into the
[56:43] Speaker 1: list of questions, but it's a really good one because
[56:45] Speaker 1: I am kind of curious to know which Bible these
[56:47] Speaker 1: people read. But I can I can usually guess, like
[56:51] Speaker 1: if they read the King James or the ESV. I
[56:54] Speaker 1: typically have some sort of a guess, Doctor Joe. That's
[56:57] Speaker 1: super chat for now, Thank you for the super chest
[56:59] Speaker 1: does not the panel time. But I made a free
[57:01] Speaker 1: one hundred page workbook for the deconstruction community. Hell yeah.
[57:04] Speaker 1: We talked about that before because it started as boundaries
[57:08] Speaker 1: and grew into a full expanded resource after a guest
[57:11] Speaker 1: in your panel. Hell yeah, guys, make sure you're dropping
[57:14] Speaker 1: doctor Joe. Follow on TikTok and on YouTube. This is
[57:18] Speaker 1: from her YouTube account, but she's also on discord too.
[57:20] Speaker 1: If you're in the community, make sure you hit her up.
[57:23] Speaker 1: She's a licensed PhD holding professional and she works with
[57:28] Speaker 1: people deconstructing and she is amazing. Let's get Addie into
[57:33] Speaker 1: the conversation. I think Addie was next in line. Welcome in, Addie.
[57:40] Speaker 1: Are you at least eighteen? And do you believe in
[57:41] Speaker 1: God's up man?
[57:43] Speaker 2: Yes?
[57:43] Speaker 5: And yes awesome?
[57:45] Speaker 1: In which God?
[57:45] Speaker 6: Do you believe in?
[57:48] Speaker 2: In God? The One God, one Truth, one Baptism?
[57:53] Speaker 1: So you're a Christian?
[57:55] Speaker 2: Yes, I would consider myself to be cool.
[57:59] Speaker 1: And do you believe that the Christian God is all good?
[58:03] Speaker 1: Partially good or not good.
[58:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would say that God is not Christian.
[58:09] Speaker 2: God is God. Christian is somebody who believes that God
[58:13] Speaker 2: was revealed through his son and Jesus Christ.
[58:17] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[58:17] Speaker 1: So when I say the Christian God, I'm referring to
[58:19] Speaker 1: the God that Christians believe in. I think that's pretty obvious.
[58:23] Speaker 2: I believe that the God I believe in is good.
[58:25] Speaker 1: Yes, sure, sure, And how do you know he's good?
[58:29] Speaker 2: It's been revealed to me.
[58:31] Speaker 1: It's been personally revealed to you.
[58:33] Speaker 10: Yes, that's the only way God could be revealed, because
[58:37] Speaker 10: the clouds can't, you know, parton make a pair of lips.
[58:42] Speaker 2: So God revealed the soul of an individual.
[58:47] Speaker 1: If God, if God personally revealed to me that he
[58:50] Speaker 1: wasn't good, who was right.
[58:53] Speaker 15: Me?
[58:55] Speaker 1: So why would anyone pick you over me?
[58:58] Speaker 2: Because I would reveal God's spirit my own? How would
[59:02] Speaker 2: you do? That's what we're all to do.
[59:04] Speaker 10: I mean I was when I was a kid in
[59:06] Speaker 10: high school, I was they. My nickname was the Amazing Atheist.
[59:10] Speaker 10: I was a big Chris Hitchins fan.
[59:12] Speaker 2: And I was the guy. And then later in life,
[59:15] Speaker 2: so I took a different path maybe than you did.
[59:18] Speaker 1: Yeah, I studied.
[59:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, I can tell you I have.
[59:22] Speaker 10: And so the only way in which I can speak
[59:25] Speaker 10: to how God reveals himself is through revelation within oneself.
[59:31] Speaker 10: The only way I could prove that to you is
[59:33] Speaker 10: by revealing him through my own spirit.
[59:35] Speaker 2: There's no other way.
[59:36] Speaker 1: Well, I don't think it's going to help anyone here.
[59:38] Speaker 1: No one's going to look at your spirit and think
[59:40] Speaker 1: that it's from God. So I'm not really sure that's
[59:42] Speaker 1: going to be helpful. Let me ask a question. Do
[59:45] Speaker 1: you think that justice Because I know my audience, do
[59:49] Speaker 1: you think that justice entails that like you get like
[59:54] Speaker 1: a punishment or a reward that is somehow related to
[59:59] Speaker 1: your behavior. So, for example, if you commit a crime,
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: you should be punished for the crime. If you don't
[1:00:04] Speaker 1: commit a crime, you shouldn't be punished for that crime.
[1:00:08] Speaker 2: Are you talking about the law. Are you talking about
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: like what you would feel within?
[1:00:14] Speaker 10: Because there's a different thing. I said, Hey, I'm not
[1:00:16] Speaker 10: murdering you right now, because i'd go to jail. You'd
[1:00:19] Speaker 10: be concerned with that statement because you'd ponder my heart.
[1:00:22] Speaker 10: You wouldn't think about the legality.
[1:00:25] Speaker 1: No, I'm not asking about your heart. I'm asking about
[1:00:27] Speaker 1: the definition of justice. Does the definition of justice mean
[1:00:32] Speaker 1: that a person gets what they deserve?
[1:00:35] Speaker 2: Absolutely?
[1:00:36] Speaker 1: Gotcha? Okay. Now, if a person doesn't commit a crime,
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: but then they get punished for that crime, would we
[1:00:43] Speaker 1: call that justice or injustice?
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: Injustice?
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: Gotcha? Okay? So then if in fact God punishes people
[1:00:51] Speaker 1: for crimes they never committed, that would be injustice. Absolutely,
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: is injustice good or baden bad? It is bad? Okay, fantastic?
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: And have you have you read Second Samuel before?
[1:01:05] Speaker 2: Yes?
[1:01:06] Speaker 10: But I mean I can't like recite it or anything. Okay,
[1:01:10] Speaker 10: you're bringing up God the cannibalization.
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: No, No, do you know what happened to the Israelites
[1:01:21] Speaker 1: when God took a census?
[1:01:25] Speaker 2: No, I don't know exactly what you're referring to.
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: Fair enough, So in Second Samuel twenty four, David takes
[1:01:34] Speaker 1: a census of the Israelites, and then God is perturbed.
[1:01:38] Speaker 1: He's mad, and he sends the prophet God to tell David, Hey,
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: because you do this thing, you've got to pick a punishment.
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: God's going to punish you. So it's going to be
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: in verse eleven or verse twelve, Go and say to David,
[1:01:55] Speaker 1: Thus say it the Lord three things I offer you.
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: Choose one of them, and I will do it to you.
[1:02:01] Speaker 1: So God came to David and told him. He asked him,
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: shall seven years of famine come to you on your land?
[1:02:07] Speaker 1: Or will you flee three months before your foes while
[1:02:11] Speaker 1: they pursue you? Or shall there be three days pestilence
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: in your land? Now consider and decide what answer I
[1:02:18] Speaker 1: shall return to the one who sent me. And then
[1:02:21] Speaker 1: David says to God, I am in great distress. Let
[1:02:25] Speaker 1: us fall into the hands of the Lord, for his
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: mercy is great. But let me not fall into the
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: hands of humans. And so God picks the punishment. God
[1:02:33] Speaker 1: sends a pestilence on Israel from that morning until the
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: appointed time. In seventy thousand of the people died from
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: Dan to Beersheba. So because David took a census of
[1:02:43] Speaker 1: the people, God decided to send the Angel of the
[1:02:46] Speaker 1: Lord to murder seventy thousand Israelites. Do you think that's
[1:02:51] Speaker 1: a justified reaction?
[1:02:54] Speaker 10: No, I wouldn't stand to judge God of saying it's
[1:02:57] Speaker 10: justified or not justified. If that actually happened, then yeah,
[1:03:00] Speaker 10: it's justified. I would never disagree, Okay, reality of something
[1:03:04] Speaker 10: that happens.
[1:03:04] Speaker 1: Okay, So then sometimes it is good to punish people
[1:03:07] Speaker 1: for other people's crimes.
[1:03:09] Speaker 10: Well, I mean we could get into like what you
[1:03:11] Speaker 10: mean by others people's crimes. I mean there's there's all
[1:03:14] Speaker 10: sorts of scripture talking of judgment that comes upon a land, right,
[1:03:20] Speaker 10: Because if say I have God's revelation and then I
[1:03:24] Speaker 10: just keep it to myself and I watch everybody around
[1:03:26] Speaker 10: me go astray, well, then the judgment that comes to
[1:03:30] Speaker 10: my land as a product of that is equivalently my own.
[1:03:32] Speaker 10: It's not because I didn't legalistically do something, you know.
[1:03:37] Speaker 10: I mean God's judgment is that which is fundamentally I mean,
[1:03:40] Speaker 10: I think you're you. You seem to picture God as
[1:03:43] Speaker 10: the way that like feists misinterpret as God is some
[1:03:48] Speaker 10: sort of person that decided to do this with Rather,
[1:03:52] Speaker 10: this is the reaction to the ways in which people
[1:03:55] Speaker 10: choose to live God.
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: So in the passage, why did God send the pestilence?
[1:04:02] Speaker 6: What?
[1:04:03] Speaker 1: Why did God send the pestilence in the passage?
[1:04:05] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: I because David took a census of the people. So
[1:04:11] Speaker 1: who sinned in this chapter?
[1:04:14] Speaker 2: Oh the Israelites.
[1:04:16] Speaker 1: No, David okay, that's why. Verse seventeen it says when
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: David saw the angel who was destroying the people, he
[1:04:23] Speaker 1: said to the Lord, I alone have sinned, and I
[1:04:26] Speaker 1: the shepherd have done evil, But these sheep would have
[1:04:29] Speaker 1: done these. Let your hand, I pray, be against me
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: and against my father's house. So the sin was committed
[1:04:37] Speaker 1: by King David and God. Rather than killing King David
[1:04:41] Speaker 1: kills seventy thousand of David's people. So, based on what
[1:04:46] Speaker 1: we said prior to this reading, you said that punishing
[1:04:49] Speaker 1: people for a crime that somebody else committed is called injustice,
[1:04:53] Speaker 1: and now you're saying this is not injustice.
[1:04:56] Speaker 10: Well, it's kind of a trap because in a sense
[1:04:58] Speaker 10: like I would say that yeah, stuck anybody. No, not,
[1:05:02] Speaker 10: because any any one of any one of God's messengers
[1:05:05] Speaker 10: has been called to relay the message onto the people.
[1:05:10] Speaker 10: David's sin and his people seventy thousand Israelized being killed.
[1:05:15] Speaker 2: That is his judgment, and it's the court.
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: I mean know, it's his judgment. We're asking if it's
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: a justified judgment.
[1:05:21] Speaker 2: Yes, I would say yes, if that's what God about it.
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: So then sometimes it is okay to punish people for
[1:05:27] Speaker 1: crimes that somebody else committed.
[1:05:29] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just disagreeing with the mischaracters. I'm just saying
[1:05:33] Speaker 2: that's okay.
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: So then, so then you would take back your original
[1:05:36] Speaker 1: statement that it would be injustice to do that. No, no,
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: because it would be it would be injustice to do that.
[1:05:43] Speaker 10: Yes, you know, I'm saying your your interpretation of how
[1:05:46] Speaker 10: what God's judgment is is just.
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: Oh so, I guess we'll try this again. Who's sinned
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: in this chapter?
[1:05:53] Speaker 2: Like you said, David?
[1:05:54] Speaker 1: Okay, okay, did David get killed?
[1:05:57] Speaker 2: No, David was not to live the justment of seventy
[1:06:01] Speaker 2: thousand people being.
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: Kid, that's right. And who died in this punishment?
[1:06:05] Speaker 2: The Israelites?
[1:06:06] Speaker 1: Did the Israelites? Did they commit the sin of David?
[1:06:10] Speaker 2: It's not saying that in this passage. I'm sure that
[1:06:12] Speaker 2: they sin.
[1:06:13] Speaker 1: Because okay, So okay, So if any human is not
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: without sin, which is impossible, no human can be without sin,
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: that means God can just that just means God can
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: randomly kill you.
[1:06:26] Speaker 2: Absolutely he does every day.
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: Was so, then God's justice is arbitrary? No, that's what
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: it means to die randomly? Arbitrary?
[1:06:35] Speaker 2: What is random mean?
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: I mean, there's no actual decision. That is, linking your
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: death to something you did wrong.
[1:06:44] Speaker 10: That's impossible. I mean, I could say I pick a
[1:06:47] Speaker 10: random number. It can't be random. It can be random
[1:06:49] Speaker 10: and doesn't have any children. How the number was arrived at.
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: Do you have children? Do you add to?
[1:06:54] Speaker 2: No such thing as a random number. There's no such
[1:06:56] Speaker 2: thing as.
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: A random currency. Do you have children?
[1:07:00] Speaker 5: Yes?
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: Have they ever disobeyed you?
[1:07:03] Speaker 2: Yes?
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: Have you ever punished them for their disobedience? I don't
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: know ten years after they disobeyed you?
[1:07:10] Speaker 16: No?
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: Oh no, they're right. You punish them for their disobedience
[1:07:14] Speaker 1: when they do it. You don't do it randomly. And also,
[1:07:17] Speaker 1: you've never murdered one of your children for their disobedience,
[1:07:20] Speaker 1: have you?
[1:07:22] Speaker 6: Uh?
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: No, Mike, Maybe the punishment should be fitting to the crime.
[1:07:27] Speaker 10: Sure, but I believe that I'm not going to take
[1:07:30] Speaker 10: up with God the idea that some punishment rendered by
[1:07:33] Speaker 10: God isn't fitting the crime.
[1:07:34] Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense for me to render judgment upon God.
[1:07:37] Speaker 1: Okay, So then sometimes murdering somebody for a crime that
[1:07:43] Speaker 1: is minor is okay.
[1:07:45] Speaker 10: Okay, you're using the word murder when murder is something
[1:07:49] Speaker 10: that is invented by human beings.
[1:07:52] Speaker 1: A murder is when you are unjustifiable to be killed.
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: So you think sometimes it's okay for God to kill
[1:07:57] Speaker 1: people for minor infractions.
[1:08:00] Speaker 10: But you keep insinuating that they're injustifiably killed. I'm insinuating
[1:08:04] Speaker 10: that that's impossible because anything that happens is just in
[1:08:07] Speaker 10: the blockchain of all reality.
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: It's not it's a blockchain of all reality. That's a
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: good word.
[1:08:12] Speaker 10: Yeah, And so in my sense, I'm not going to
[1:08:16] Speaker 10: take up with god justification or non justification of his
[1:08:20] Speaker 10: actions because the concept of justice came after God's existence.
[1:08:24] Speaker 10: I proceed from God's existence. So the idea that I
[1:08:28] Speaker 10: would take back using my mind.
[1:08:30] Speaker 1: To claim I would do anything but use your own mind, Yeah,
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: I would farm that out to a book from the
[1:08:37] Speaker 1: Bronze Age. Do you think that it's ever a good
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: punishment to have like women raped? Like, is there ever
[1:08:44] Speaker 1: a crime that a person could commit where you should say, okay,
[1:08:48] Speaker 1: because you committed this crime, we're going to have like
[1:08:50] Speaker 1: the women in your household raped.
[1:08:54] Speaker 10: No, I mean I'm assuming that you're leading to another
[1:08:57] Speaker 10: point in scripture in which women are raped, and read
[1:09:00] Speaker 10: the book in reality, I mean, do you think that
[1:09:02] Speaker 10: women should ever be raped.
[1:09:04] Speaker 1: I don't think that they should be raped, which is
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: why I find when God says he's going to have
[1:09:08] Speaker 1: women raped is a bad thing.
[1:09:10] Speaker 2: Right.
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: So I'm not questioning whether or not women get raped
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: in real life. I'm questioning whether or not it should
[1:09:16] Speaker 1: happen as a punishment for something. So God says he's
[1:09:20] Speaker 1: going to punish the Babylons and sort of the Babylonians
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: in Isaiah thirteen and fourteen.
[1:09:26] Speaker 10: Do you know any of Isaiah saying that these things
[1:09:29] Speaker 10: are going to come to pass because people live in
[1:09:32] Speaker 10: sin and so bad things happen.
[1:09:35] Speaker 1: Right, No, he didn't say that.
[1:09:37] Speaker 10: He didn't say that going that's not that's that's the God.
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: That is is thought of by people who don't know God.
[1:09:47] Speaker 1: And then it's actually just what the book says right
[1:09:51] Speaker 1: on the face of it. So their infants will be
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: dashed to pieces before their eyes, their houses will be plundered,
[1:09:56] Speaker 1: and their wives raped. The I am stirring up the
[1:09:59] Speaker 1: meads against them. So God is specifically stirring up the
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: meads against the Babylonians to exact his punishment, and part
[1:10:07] Speaker 1: of that punishment includes killing their babies and raping their women.
[1:10:12] Speaker 1: So God is all powerful?
[1:10:13] Speaker 13: Right?
[1:10:14] Speaker 3: Who?
[1:10:16] Speaker 1: God is all powerful?
[1:10:17] Speaker 16: Right?
[1:10:17] Speaker 4: Eddie?
[1:10:18] Speaker 2: Yes?
[1:10:18] Speaker 1: Okay, could he devise a punishment for the Babylonians that
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: doesn't entail killing babies and raping women?
[1:10:27] Speaker 2: That certainly wouldn't be for me to decide.
[1:10:30] Speaker 1: And no, it's not for you to decide. It's a
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: it's just an argument based on how meanings of words work. So,
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: based on God being all powerful, can we conclude that
[1:10:40] Speaker 1: he has the capability of selecting a punishment that doesn't
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: include raping women and killing babies?
[1:10:47] Speaker 2: Absolutely?
[1:10:48] Speaker 1: Okay? That means the raping of the women and the
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: killing of the babies wasn't necessary.
[1:10:55] Speaker 2: That's not for me to say, okay.
[1:10:56] Speaker 1: So then so then you do think sometimes it's okay
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: for babies killed and women raped.
[1:11:03] Speaker 2: No, I'm not God, I'm not the the God.
[1:11:05] Speaker 1: It's just it's just logic, logically true. So if this
[1:11:08] Speaker 1: is an occasion where it's justified have women raped and
[1:11:13] Speaker 1: babies killed, that you believe there aren't actually some occasions
[1:11:19] Speaker 1: where you think it's okay.
[1:11:20] Speaker 2: Well, let me ask you a question. Who dashed to
[1:11:22] Speaker 2: pieces the infants?
[1:11:24] Speaker 1: Who plundered the people that God brought to do the
[1:11:27] Speaker 1: job the people that He brought to do.
[1:11:29] Speaker 10: The people that the the people who had God revealed
[1:11:33] Speaker 10: onto them, have a responsibility to live to God's words
[1:11:37] Speaker 10: such as to avoid these things.
[1:11:39] Speaker 1: These are the meads. The meads don't believe in Yahweh.
[1:11:43] Speaker 1: They credited Marduke with this victory. If you read the
[1:11:45] Speaker 1: Cyrus cylinder, King Cyrus specifically credits Marduke with the victory
[1:11:49] Speaker 1: over Babylon. Okay, they don't believe in Yahweh.
[1:11:54] Speaker 2: The meat it doesn't matter what people are based on
[1:11:58] Speaker 2: what they know and what they do. I don't know
[1:12:00] Speaker 2: and what they do. Yeah, So whether you believe.
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: In it or not, he certainly doesn't. So the reality is,
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: you think there are occasions in which it is okay
[1:12:11] Speaker 1: for women to be raped and baby's murdered as punishment.
[1:12:15] Speaker 2: You're asking me if I think that it's okay, why
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: would I say yes?
[1:12:20] Speaker 1: Because the Bible said so.
[1:12:23] Speaker 2: The Bible is speaking about something that came to pass
[1:12:26] Speaker 2: to a people.
[1:12:27] Speaker 1: God says he's doing it. These things happen I know
[1:12:31] Speaker 1: because God caused it. Okay, Okay, God says, I'm stirring
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: up the meads against them, and it's not something that
[1:12:39] Speaker 1: he had to do. He could have done anything he
[1:12:41] Speaker 1: wanted to. He chose to do it this way, which
[1:12:44] Speaker 1: means he was okay with the women being raped and
[1:12:48] Speaker 1: the baby's being murdered, or else he would have chose
[1:12:50] Speaker 1: a different way to punish them.
[1:12:52] Speaker 10: Well, I could say, right now, God is stirring up
[1:12:55] Speaker 10: like say, if somebody really believes in climate change, right
[1:12:58] Speaker 10: and the to say in impacts that will come as
[1:13:02] Speaker 10: a prog of that, great waves, great famines. So right now,
[1:13:07] Speaker 10: based on the fact that we're not acting on climate
[1:13:09] Speaker 10: change right now, is God stirring up our judgment in
[1:13:13] Speaker 10: those ways?
[1:13:13] Speaker 1: Did God say he's bringing it?
[1:13:18] Speaker 5: God?
[1:13:18] Speaker 1: If God says I'm causing climate change, then yeah.
[1:13:22] Speaker 2: He's on the God is not causing climate change.
[1:13:24] Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: Well, then it's not analogous because in this passage happen.
[1:13:29] Speaker 10: Everything's true about what could happen as a product of
[1:13:32] Speaker 10: climate change, and then that's God's judgment being stored up
[1:13:34] Speaker 10: as a product.
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: They can't capture how words work. So God says he's
[1:13:41] Speaker 1: causing it to happen. That's the difference, cause climate change
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: is not something that God is causing to happen. This
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: is something that God is causing to happen.
[1:13:51] Speaker 2: No, No, God is not a person.
[1:13:55] Speaker 1: He certainly is he. He's three persons in one according
[1:13:58] Speaker 1: to your own religion. So to follow along, God says, stirring.
[1:14:03] Speaker 2: Up the mess of a ruler is what is?
[1:14:07] Speaker 1: What does God have to do with the stirring up
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: of the meads?
[1:14:12] Speaker 2: God is the forces stirring up as the product.
[1:14:16] Speaker 1: God is the forest. So is God? Is God using
[1:14:19] Speaker 1: the meads as a punishment to the Babylonian? Yes, okay,
[1:14:23] Speaker 1: that means God is the one that's responsible for the
[1:14:26] Speaker 1: wives being raped and the babies being killed, because God
[1:14:29] Speaker 1: is the one using the meeds to punish the Babylonians.
[1:14:34] Speaker 2: Based on what they know.
[1:14:35] Speaker 1: And okay, so then you believe there are situations where
[1:14:39] Speaker 1: it's okay to punish people with raping women and killing babies.
[1:14:42] Speaker 1: That's what it means.
[1:14:46] Speaker 2: No, because I don't.
[1:14:47] Speaker 1: Yes, you did. It's crazy that you get up here
[1:14:50] Speaker 1: and lie in front of thousands.
[1:14:51] Speaker 2: Of people union the position of a over.
[1:14:56] Speaker 1: A logical syllogism. Since this is clearly over your head,
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: I'll write it down on like an actual notepad that
[1:15:04] Speaker 1: you don't know those track of where we're at in
[1:15:06] Speaker 1: the conversation. So we'll say, sometimes God punishes people with
[1:15:16] Speaker 1: rape and baby killing. Agree or not agree?
[1:15:22] Speaker 2: No, because that's that's just need to be wrong.
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: So we'll try try it again in in the the
[1:15:29] Speaker 1: Siege of Babylon where women raped and babies killed. Yes, women,
[1:15:34] Speaker 1: Did God say that he's bringing the army to do that?
[1:15:39] Speaker 2: Yes, through the prophet.
[1:15:41] Speaker 1: Okay, so if God is bringing people, so, if God
[1:15:46] Speaker 1: is bringing so, if God is bringing people to do
[1:15:49] Speaker 1: something that means to do it, no, he says he's
[1:15:52] Speaker 1: doing it. Listen, your ability, your ability to lie to
[1:15:58] Speaker 1: people in your own life won't work here. We all
[1:16:00] Speaker 1: see you lying through your your ear, bringing the meeds
[1:16:06] Speaker 1: to do his judgment, which means he's responsible for what
[1:16:10] Speaker 1: the need to do. If I say, listen, I'm bringing
[1:16:12] Speaker 1: an army of people with flamethrowers to exact my judgment
[1:16:16] Speaker 1: and then people get burned, that means I'm responsible for
[1:16:20] Speaker 1: the flamethrowers. That means I'm the one responsible for it.
[1:16:23] Speaker 1: I didn't have to bring people with flamethrowers. I just
[1:16:25] Speaker 1: happened to do that.
[1:16:27] Speaker 2: He's revealing to his profit the things that are to come.
[1:16:30] Speaker 2: And because he's doing it, I'm all knowing knowledge.
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: Because he's doing it.
[1:16:38] Speaker 2: God is not doing anything.
[1:16:39] Speaker 1: He's stirring up the meeds against them. He's stirring up
[1:16:45] Speaker 1: the needs to go do this. That's what it says.
[1:16:48] Speaker 1: It's okay if if you can't be honest, the rest
[1:16:50] Speaker 1: of us know what's happening being honest. I don't believe
[1:16:54] Speaker 1: this guy was ever an atheist because he's not honest
[1:16:56] Speaker 1: enough to be an atheist. That's for sure.
[1:16:58] Speaker 2: Is the exact thing I'm not being honest about.
[1:17:01] Speaker 1: That God is the one causing it to happen. He
[1:17:03] Speaker 1: causes it to happen in quite a few places.
[1:17:05] Speaker 2: All things happen.
[1:17:06] Speaker 4: I keep saying that.
[1:17:07] Speaker 2: That's why that's ridiculous.
[1:17:08] Speaker 1: That means he's responsible for the women being raped. He
[1:17:12] Speaker 1: does it again in second everything that happens.
[1:17:15] Speaker 10: He's specifically responsible for the outcomes of our own actions.
[1:17:19] Speaker 1: No, God is responsible cornel words that came into your
[1:17:21] Speaker 1: mouth Verse eleven and second Samuel twelve. God talks about
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: the punishment he's going to bring on the household of
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: David for what he did with Uryah the Hittite in Bathsheba.
[1:17:33] Speaker 1: Because I will raise up trouble against you from within
[1:17:36] Speaker 1: your own house, and I will take your wives before
[1:17:38] Speaker 1: your eyes and give them to your neighbor. He shall
[1:17:40] Speaker 1: lie with your wives in broad daylight. This is a
[1:17:42] Speaker 1: punishment to David for having Uryah killed after he committed
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: a daughter with Bathsheba. And then you know what happens
[1:17:49] Speaker 1: to ten of David's wives. They get raped by Absolom
[1:17:52] Speaker 1: in fulfillment of this prophecy. So God specifically says, I'm
[1:17:57] Speaker 1: causing it to happen. I'm raising a the trouble against
[1:18:00] Speaker 1: you from within your house, and I will take your
[1:18:02] Speaker 1: wives before your eyes. So who's responded? Who's responsible?
[1:18:09] Speaker 20: So?
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: Who's responsible for the raping.
[1:18:14] Speaker 4: King David?
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: Wrong? Try this again? Who's responsible for.
[1:18:18] Speaker 2: The raping King David?
[1:18:20] Speaker 1: Well, try this again, King David. Did King David rape
[1:18:25] Speaker 1: the ten wives?
[1:18:26] Speaker 16: No?
[1:18:27] Speaker 1: Okay, who raped the ten wives? I'm not sure Absolom did?
[1:18:34] Speaker 1: And who said that I'm causing it to happen.
[1:18:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, God causes all things to happen.
[1:18:41] Speaker 1: Okay, That means God caused the rape of David's wives.
[1:18:46] Speaker 10: God caused David to have God be revealed unto him
[1:18:51] Speaker 10: and the judgment come across.
[1:18:54] Speaker 1: The judgment is a punishment right.
[1:18:57] Speaker 2: The judgment is a punishment, right, No, it's a it's
[1:19:02] Speaker 2: an outcome.
[1:19:05] Speaker 1: No, that's what a punishment is. It's when you decide
[1:19:07] Speaker 1: what the outcome is going to be in reaction to
[1:19:11] Speaker 1: somebody else's behavior. Yeah, that was the So God decided
[1:19:15] Speaker 1: as punishment that he is going to have ten of
[1:19:19] Speaker 1: David's wives raped.
[1:19:20] Speaker 10: Just or No, you're saying God decided like as if,
[1:19:26] Speaker 10: as if again, putting God in the position of like
[1:19:29] Speaker 10: a human ruler.
[1:19:30] Speaker 1: No, I'm just telling you what the text, I will
[1:19:35] Speaker 1: raise up trouble against you. Who's raising up trouble?
[1:19:40] Speaker 2: God? And all things?
[1:19:42] Speaker 1: Okay? And and what's he say?
[1:19:43] Speaker 2: Why?
[1:19:44] Speaker 1: Why is he doing it.
[1:19:46] Speaker 2: For you to secretly? But I will do this thing
[1:19:49] Speaker 2: and it all okay, So in broad daylight?
[1:19:52] Speaker 1: So God is doing it, And why is he doing
[1:19:55] Speaker 1: it to.
[1:19:57] Speaker 2: Not let a secret send go on.
[1:20:00] Speaker 1: To punish you?
[1:20:01] Speaker 13: Got it?
[1:20:01] Speaker 1: So God decided, as punishment for what David did, He's
[1:20:05] Speaker 1: going to have ten of David's wives raped. So this
[1:20:09] Speaker 1: is a punishment specifically, this is a decision that God made,
[1:20:12] Speaker 1: and that decision was because you did this thing. I'm
[1:20:16] Speaker 1: doing this thing and this other thing is having women raped,
[1:20:20] Speaker 1: which means God thinks it's okay to have women raped
[1:20:24] Speaker 1: for the crimes of their husband.
[1:20:26] Speaker 2: I don't think there's God thinking it's okay. I don't understand.
[1:20:30] Speaker 1: Like, then, why does he do it? Did somebody force
[1:20:32] Speaker 1: him to do it? Did somebody force God's hand to
[1:20:35] Speaker 1: give this punishment?
[1:20:37] Speaker 2: God needs not do anything.
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: Did somebody force his hand?
[1:20:41] Speaker 16: No?
[1:20:42] Speaker 1: Okay? So did he pick this punishment on his own
[1:20:44] Speaker 1: free will?
[1:20:46] Speaker 11: Did he pick this punishment?
[1:20:50] Speaker 19: No?
[1:20:51] Speaker 1: Okay, not a punishment? So if God, If so, then
[1:20:54] Speaker 1: you're calling God a liar. I know the nervous laughter
[1:20:57] Speaker 1: makes you. You think it makes you look better, but
[1:20:59] Speaker 1: it doesn't. God is specifically picking this thing, which means
[1:21:05] Speaker 1: which means you're defending yourself against being a lying liar.
[1:21:09] Speaker 1: Right now, you know what the text says, and you
[1:21:10] Speaker 1: can't handle it because honest enough to actually be honest
[1:21:14] Speaker 1: with the text. So what am I again? We'll just
[1:21:20] Speaker 1: do it. We'll do another. We'll do another, since you're
[1:21:26] Speaker 1: incapable of following a human being. So Premise one David sinned,
[1:21:32] Speaker 1: yes or no, yes committed Premise two David received a punishment, right, yes, okay.
[1:21:45] Speaker 1: Premise three is God decided what punishment correct.
[1:21:55] Speaker 2: I mean we're we're again. You you keep thinking of Just.
[1:21:58] Speaker 1: Answer the answer the third third premise, did God decide
[1:22:01] Speaker 1: what punishment?
[1:22:03] Speaker 10: Yes, God, God, there we go, complete calculus of all
[1:22:08] Speaker 10: human actions.
[1:22:11] Speaker 1: He four. God then chows of his own free will
[1:22:23] Speaker 1: which punishment yes or no?
[1:22:27] Speaker 2: Well, first of all, all this comes from first yes
[1:22:31] Speaker 2: or no, yes or no, Yes or no. Okay, So
[1:22:34] Speaker 2: let me give you a yes or no.
[1:22:35] Speaker 1: Nope, you're not you're going to answer premise number four.
[1:22:38] Speaker 1: God chose of his own free will which punishment yes
[1:22:40] Speaker 1: or no? Yes, okay.
[1:22:42] Speaker 2: Then that means the God free will.
[1:22:46] Speaker 1: But that means that's wrong. That means and that means conclusion.
[1:22:52] Speaker 1: I will not let you run from this. That means
[1:22:55] Speaker 1: conclusion number one. Conclusion number one is the conclusion is
[1:23:00] Speaker 1: that God chose ooops, Well, that's the right one God.
[1:23:06] Speaker 1: God chose the women being raped because that is the punishment.
[1:23:15] Speaker 1: That's that's the only conclusion. In fact, we can add
[1:23:18] Speaker 1: this in here. Premise number five is the punishment was rape,
[1:23:24] Speaker 1: which means the conclusion follows, God chose the women being raped.
[1:23:32] Speaker 2: David chose to commit adultery.
[1:23:34] Speaker 1: It doesn't matter. Did God choose to punishment. I'm sorry,
[1:23:40] Speaker 1: who chose to punishment? Who chose the punishment?
[1:23:45] Speaker 2: You already established that God chose them?
[1:23:47] Speaker 1: Okay, So did and did somebody force him to choose
[1:23:50] Speaker 1: that punishment? Or could he have chose any other punishment?
[1:23:53] Speaker 21: No?
[1:23:53] Speaker 1: It's God, okay, So that means God chose the women
[1:23:57] Speaker 1: being raped, not David. Did David know when he committed
[1:24:00] Speaker 1: the adultery that his wives would be raped?
[1:24:02] Speaker 2: No, he knew that he shouldn't.
[1:24:03] Speaker 1: That means that means he's not on the hook for
[1:24:07] Speaker 1: being raped.
[1:24:08] Speaker 2: Could come because that doesn't.
[1:24:09] Speaker 1: That doesn't matter. That means he didn't choose his wife
[1:24:11] Speaker 1: mat No, it doesn't matter at all.
[1:24:14] Speaker 2: It's the basis of the entire story, and certainly.
[1:24:19] Speaker 1: In fact you're missing. You're missing the basis of the
[1:24:22] Speaker 1: entire story, which is that God chooses punishments, not David.
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: For example, if your child goes to school and and
[1:24:29] Speaker 1: you choose the question, then if your child goes to
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: school and he uses his free will or her to
[1:24:35] Speaker 1: to break the rules at school, is it okay for
[1:24:38] Speaker 1: you to and then bring your children home and punch
[1:24:41] Speaker 1: him in nose and gage out their eyes. No, but
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: they send.
[1:24:47] Speaker 2: But that's the that's not an equivalent punishment.
[1:24:50] Speaker 1: Oh now, oh, now, punishments need to be equivalent. Okay,
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: what crime did the women? What crime did the women commit?
[1:24:57] Speaker 1: That's equivalent to them being raped? They didn't, Oh they didn't. Okay,
[1:25:02] Speaker 1: So then what that means is that you're okay with
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: God giving non equivalent punishments to women's who didn't commit
[1:25:07] Speaker 1: the crime.
[1:25:08] Speaker 2: No, I'm not.
[1:25:09] Speaker 1: The cognitive dissonance is crazy with you. I refuse to
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: believe you were ever an atheist. I would disavow this
[1:25:16] Speaker 1: atheist is not nearly intelligent enough to be among the
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: ranks of an atheist. No wonder you're a Christian.
[1:25:21] Speaker 10: No, no, no, it's because that we have such a
[1:25:24] Speaker 10: fundamental difference in like a theological viewpoint.
[1:25:27] Speaker 1: Of we don't. This is nothing with theology. This is
[1:25:30] Speaker 1: just about how words, and clearly you don't know how
[1:25:32] Speaker 1: words work, because as it turns out, God was in
[1:25:35] Speaker 1: charging this punishment.
[1:25:38] Speaker 2: You're not even letting me speak.
[1:25:39] Speaker 1: I'm doing it on purpose, I know.
[1:25:42] Speaker 2: But the the concept of what God fundamentally is is
[1:25:46] Speaker 2: the basis of the entire debate. Right, so you keep
[1:25:50] Speaker 2: holding God up to system to that's.
[1:25:55] Speaker 1: That's not what God is Prove that God's good.
[1:25:58] Speaker 2: Prove that God's good.
[1:26:00] Speaker 1: That that's the fundamental claim that you're saying is unquestionable.
[1:26:03] Speaker 7: Prove it.
[1:26:05] Speaker 2: I am saying that God is good, the good, the
[1:26:08] Speaker 2: good is God.
[1:26:10] Speaker 1: You can say it all you want. Prove it. A
[1:26:17] Speaker 1: lot of awkward silence. Yeah, you see, when you just
[1:26:19] Speaker 1: assume something to be true, how it's not true. Prove
[1:26:22] Speaker 1: that God's good.
[1:26:25] Speaker 10: I don't feel like I can prove to you that
[1:26:28] Speaker 10: God is good because your conception of what God is
[1:26:31] Speaker 10: God is, which is the same problem with every atheist.
[1:26:34] Speaker 1: I mean, it's a basist claim. If you can't believe
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: that God is good, they just asserting that God is
[1:26:39] Speaker 1: good isn't going to get you anywhere. What just saying
[1:26:43] Speaker 1: that God is good isn't going to get you to
[1:26:45] Speaker 1: God is good until you can give me an argument
[1:26:47] Speaker 1: or a demonstration that God is good. I have no
[1:26:50] Speaker 1: reason to accept that God is good, which you mean
[1:26:52] Speaker 1: when when God is raping women. I I think I
[1:26:56] Speaker 1: am on firm ground to believe that God is not
[1:26:59] Speaker 1: good because I don't think that raping women is good.
[1:27:01] Speaker 1: Do you think that raping women? But so so, let
[1:27:03] Speaker 1: me ask you, sorry, do you think that raping women
[1:27:05] Speaker 1: is good.
[1:27:06] Speaker 4: I'm not.
[1:27:06] Speaker 2: I'm not even trying to.
[1:27:08] Speaker 1: Do you think that raping women is good? Okay? Obviously
[1:27:10] Speaker 1: not so. So I think I'm justified when I read
[1:27:13] Speaker 1: the book and I see that God is causing people.
[1:27:15] Speaker 1: Do you raped to think that this God is not good?
[1:27:18] Speaker 1: So I'm yet to see a single argument for a while.
[1:27:21] Speaker 1: You think I should believe God is good?
[1:27:24] Speaker 2: That's fair. I mean I haven't. We haven't even really
[1:27:26] Speaker 2: gotten to that.
[1:27:27] Speaker 10: We we mainly went through scripture that you take issue
[1:27:31] Speaker 10: with it, you're personally offended by which I'm just saying.
[1:27:34] Speaker 1: Offended by it. It's not real, it didn't happen.
[1:27:37] Speaker 10: Okay, so, but that's why I was going to ask you.
[1:27:40] Speaker 10: So as your assertion that God exists but God isn't good.
[1:27:43] Speaker 1: No, my assertion right now is that God is not good.
[1:27:46] Speaker 1: Whatever your conception of God is, it's not good when
[1:27:50] Speaker 1: we compare it with either the text or the real world.
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: The reality is that don't believe that your God exists
[1:27:55] Speaker 1: at all. But again, the question right now is how
[1:27:59] Speaker 1: could you think? How could you if God.
[1:28:02] Speaker 2: Is good, you're saying that God does not exist at all?
[1:28:05] Speaker 1: Both, how do you know that God is good.
[1:28:08] Speaker 10: Because it's been revealed to me through prove it restorative quality,
[1:28:13] Speaker 10: prove it. I mean I can't prove it, like I said, so.
[1:28:17] Speaker 1: It is trust me, bro, trust me bro. Okay, God,
[1:28:21] Speaker 1: God revealed to me that that he lied to you
[1:28:24] Speaker 1: and then he's not good. M God revealed to me
[1:28:28] Speaker 1: that he's not good.
[1:28:29] Speaker 2: Okay, So what do you do with that information?
[1:28:34] Speaker 1: Exactly what I'm doing now.
[1:28:36] Speaker 10: So you believe in God, but God revealed to you
[1:28:38] Speaker 10: that he's not good, but you're now on a mission
[1:28:41] Speaker 10: to make sure that you bring your case against that
[1:28:45] Speaker 10: that God that exists.
[1:28:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, prove me wrong, prove me wrong, show me that
[1:28:48] Speaker 1: God's not or that God is good.
[1:28:50] Speaker 10: Well, no, I was just taking an issue with you
[1:28:52] Speaker 10: saying that God has revealed to you that he's not good.
[1:28:55] Speaker 2: So then if you can God not?
[1:28:58] Speaker 1: Can God not reveal that to me?
[1:29:00] Speaker 2: I didn't say you did or didn't. I just I
[1:29:02] Speaker 2: was just asking you question.
[1:29:04] Speaker 1: Okay, then prove that your revelation is more true than mine.
[1:29:08] Speaker 2: If I could prove it to you, I mean I
[1:29:10] Speaker 2: can only prove it to you through through.
[1:29:14] Speaker 10: Conversion attempt, through basically emanating the spirit of God.
[1:29:20] Speaker 1: That is good, But I don't think you've emanated God's
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: good spirit at all. I didn't see any any fruits
[1:29:28] Speaker 1: of the Holy Spirit so far.
[1:29:30] Speaker 2: Well, we haven't really talked about the fruits of the
[1:29:32] Speaker 2: Holy Spirit. We talked about certain cuts from scripture from.
[1:29:37] Speaker 1: You will know them by their fruits. I know that much.
[1:29:40] Speaker 2: Okay, what if we talked about they would even be
[1:29:44] Speaker 2: able to begin to reveal any of that.
[1:29:46] Speaker 10: We just talked about how oh, I don't like what
[1:29:49] Speaker 10: uh what the voice that was in Isaiah's head or
[1:29:52] Speaker 10: in Ezekiel's had It's like, okay.
[1:29:55] Speaker 1: We watched you lie and turn yourself into a human
[1:29:58] Speaker 1: pretzel trying to defend rape and saying that words don't Yes,
[1:30:02] Speaker 1: you watch that happened. Not only not only are we
[1:30:08] Speaker 1: gonna be scrolling back, We've got about I don't know,
[1:30:10] Speaker 1: we got almost three thousand people watching at this point,
[1:30:13] Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be clipping this video. In fact, I've
[1:30:15] Speaker 1: got a spreadsheet right now. In fact, I'll show you
[1:30:18] Speaker 1: my spreadsheet that I keep during my my live streams
[1:30:21] Speaker 1: of people that are gonna crash. I've got Addie written
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: down on twelve eight got crushed on God's goodness, I'm
[1:30:28] Speaker 1: gonna write tama and is a lying liar, and you're
[1:30:32] Speaker 1: gonna get clipped, and many thousands of people are gonna
[1:30:35] Speaker 1: watch you come on a live stream and lie straight
[1:30:38] Speaker 1: to our faces. It's gonna be a good time.
[1:30:39] Speaker 10: We still haven't showed me what the liars and you
[1:30:42] Speaker 10: still haven't even where we all watched it happen.
[1:30:45] Speaker 2: You're the one who accused me of everybody.
[1:30:48] Speaker 1: Everybody put a big l addie in the comments. If
[1:30:51] Speaker 1: you watched him lie directly on what the text says
[1:30:54] Speaker 1: every time we read.
[1:30:55] Speaker 2: It, Go ahead and then just just tell me exactly
[1:31:03] Speaker 2: what the lie was.
[1:31:04] Speaker 1: We watched you to do it. Oh, but you can't
[1:31:07] Speaker 1: say what it was a lot of l l addies
[1:31:10] Speaker 1: in the chat.
[1:31:11] Speaker 2: Oh so you washed you do it, but you can't
[1:31:13] Speaker 2: say what we washed you do it.
[1:31:14] Speaker 13: We watched you.
[1:31:15] Speaker 1: Lie and say that God didn't cause the rape and
[1:31:17] Speaker 1: killing of babies when he clearly said he did.
[1:31:21] Speaker 2: Well, No, I took issue with the idea did God
[1:31:24] Speaker 2: cause it?
[1:31:24] Speaker 1: Yes or no? Did God cause it yes or no?
[1:31:27] Speaker 11: Yes?
[1:31:28] Speaker 4: No?
[1:31:28] Speaker 1: Did God cause it? Did God cause it to happen?
[1:31:30] Speaker 2: God causes all things to happen. I've said that probably
[1:31:33] Speaker 2: ten to twenty different times.
[1:31:34] Speaker 1: Okay, then that means you think it's okay sometimes for
[1:31:40] Speaker 1: people to be raped and babies to be murdered as punishments. No,
[1:31:44] Speaker 1: that's your other lie. Well that you just lied again,
[1:31:46] Speaker 1: Yes you do. Okay, we'll try this again. God causes
[1:31:50] Speaker 1: people to be raped and murdered as punishments.
[1:31:54] Speaker 13: Yes or no?
[1:31:54] Speaker 1: Or raped and murdered in the world as punishments.
[1:31:59] Speaker 16: No.
[1:32:00] Speaker 1: Yes, there's another lie. Okay, we'll try this again. Because
[1:32:04] Speaker 1: you're a lying liar and everyone watches it happen in
[1:32:06] Speaker 1: real time, God says. God says, I will take your
[1:32:10] Speaker 1: wives before your eyes and give them to your neighbor.
[1:32:13] Speaker 1: Who's taking credit for this action?
[1:32:19] Speaker 2: Who's taking credit for it?
[1:32:22] Speaker 11: Well?
[1:32:23] Speaker 2: Where what book is that from?
[1:32:24] Speaker 1: This is Samuel who's taking credit.
[1:32:26] Speaker 2: This is God through Nathan Samuel. It's the scripture is
[1:32:31] Speaker 2: not the voice of God.
[1:32:33] Speaker 1: It is this is God speaking through Nathan. This is
[1:32:35] Speaker 1: a prophecy from God. Okay, did God say these.
[1:32:40] Speaker 2: Words Nathan did?
[1:32:43] Speaker 1: Did Nathan lie? I'm not saying he did, But if
[1:32:49] Speaker 1: Nathan lied, that means God didn't speak. So how much
[1:32:53] Speaker 1: of it? When the Bible says that God spoke. Can
[1:32:56] Speaker 1: we believe that God spoke those words?
[1:32:59] Speaker 2: We can either leave the prophet or not.
[1:33:01] Speaker 1: That's do you believe that the prophet is telling the truth?
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: Yes or no?
[1:33:06] Speaker 4: In this book?
[1:33:07] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[1:33:07] Speaker 4: I have no.
[1:33:08] Speaker 2: I have no ability to say yes or no.
[1:33:11] Speaker 13: Yeah.
[1:33:11] Speaker 1: The the wavering on whether or not the Bible is
[1:33:15] Speaker 1: actually true when it says what God says is wild.
[1:33:18] Speaker 1: This is the press in order to read the book.
[1:33:23] Speaker 1: It's crazy. And Addie, the reason why I talk over
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: you is because you talk over me. Notice I didn't
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: have to do that with any of the prior guests,
[1:33:29] Speaker 1: and I specifically do it with you on purpose. The
[1:33:32] Speaker 1: more you talk over me, I'll talk over you twice
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: as much and on purpose. So it's up to you
[1:33:37] Speaker 1: what kind of conversation you want to have?
[1:33:40] Speaker 2: Okay, well, what kind of conversation should we have?
[1:33:47] Speaker 10: Because because the the problem is is that I my
[1:33:51] Speaker 10: issue with your views of things is not the your
[1:33:55] Speaker 10: your moral claims, right, it's your view of what God
[1:33:58] Speaker 10: fundambly is that you're the putting God. You're casting judgment
[1:34:04] Speaker 10: on God from your perspective of morality, which is coming
[1:34:07] Speaker 10: from where right?
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: So what are you You're just declaring that God is good,
[1:34:15] Speaker 1: and you have no evidence for it. You're casting judgment
[1:34:17] Speaker 1: on God, and so am I. The difference is I'm
[1:34:20] Speaker 1: showing you where my judgment comes it comes from, and
[1:34:23] Speaker 1: you can't show me where yours comes from. So I
[1:34:27] Speaker 1: personally can tell you that I don't think it's ever okay.
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: There's never been an instance ever where I thought it
[1:34:33] Speaker 1: was okay to punish somebody by having babies killed and
[1:34:38] Speaker 1: women raped. You do, in fact, our logical syllogism, which
[1:34:42] Speaker 1: we already put together, which you agreed to, concludes with
[1:34:46] Speaker 1: God choosing the punishment of women being raped, which means
[1:34:52] Speaker 1: the only thing you can say, to be honest is
[1:34:56] Speaker 1: that sometimes, as long as God does it, it's okay
[1:35:01] Speaker 1: for women to be raped as a punishment.
[1:35:05] Speaker 10: No, because I'm totally disagreeing with the idea of how
[1:35:07] Speaker 10: you're seeing things even coming to pass.
[1:35:11] Speaker 1: Did God say he's causing it? Yes or no? The
[1:35:16] Speaker 1: words yes or no? Did God say he's causing it
[1:35:20] Speaker 1: in the passage?
[1:35:22] Speaker 2: In the passage, yes, that is what it says.
[1:35:24] Speaker 1: Okay, why should I believe what God says that he's
[1:35:28] Speaker 1: causing it, that he's not actually causing it?
[1:35:31] Speaker 2: What I am arguing to you is what God is revealing.
[1:35:34] Speaker 1: I don't care. I don't care about God. I care
[1:35:37] Speaker 1: about you. Answering my question when the text says, when
[1:35:40] Speaker 1: God says in the text, I'm causing it, why would
[1:35:44] Speaker 1: I believe that God's not causing it?
[1:35:47] Speaker 10: Well, I would say that God is causing what's happening
[1:35:49] Speaker 10: right now in Israel and Palestine.
[1:35:51] Speaker 1: That doesn't mean he doesn't actually answer the question. When
[1:35:54] Speaker 1: God says I'm causing something to happen, why from the
[1:35:58] Speaker 1: text would I believe that is not causing it?
[1:36:01] Speaker 10: Okay, what I'm trying to just because I understand your
[1:36:04] Speaker 10: issue with me, I totally do, and I think that
[1:36:06] Speaker 10: that's where we're It's almost impossible.
[1:36:10] Speaker 1: My issue is that you won't answer the question and
[1:36:12] Speaker 1: be honest, why would I read this text and believe
[1:36:16] Speaker 1: that God is not causing the thing that he said
[1:36:18] Speaker 1: He's causing.
[1:36:20] Speaker 2: God causes the world to exist.
[1:36:23] Speaker 1: You can't answer the question.
[1:36:24] Speaker 2: We know you exist. Human beings are made in the
[1:36:27] Speaker 2: image of God.
[1:36:28] Speaker 1: Meaning, well, you've proven yourself. You're muted. Now no one
[1:36:30] Speaker 1: can hear. You've proven yourself to be too much of
[1:36:32] Speaker 1: a liar to engage further in any of this discussion.
[1:36:36] Speaker 1: If you're not going to actually honestly answer any of
[1:36:38] Speaker 1: the questions, there're no point in us going in circles
[1:36:41] Speaker 1: asking the same question getting no answers. Now the audience
[1:36:46] Speaker 1: is even counting your lies. Shanny says, you're on line
[1:36:48] Speaker 1: number seven, line number eight now, in fact, so Addie,
[1:36:52] Speaker 1: hope you have the day you deserve. Maybe next time
[1:36:54] Speaker 1: you come on one of these live streams you decide
[1:36:56] Speaker 1: not to be a liar and just answer straight questions
[1:37:00] Speaker 1: rather than being an evasive posff. See that, Crystal.
[1:37:05] Speaker 3: I maybe way off face here, but I'm pretty sure
[1:37:08] Speaker 3: he was lying about being an atheist.
[1:37:11] Speaker 1: No way he was ever an atheist. I refuse to
[1:37:14] Speaker 1: believe it. I refuse it, will never believe all right, friends,
[1:37:22] Speaker 1: let me grab a couple of super Jazz. We'll get
[1:37:24] Speaker 1: our next guest up in here. Penelope. Great to see you.
[1:37:27] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the fifty hours super chat.
[1:37:29] Speaker 1: Because Merry Christmas. When the chit hits, the fan will
[1:37:34] Speaker 1: need smart people like Justin to lead the way instead
[1:37:37] Speaker 1: of relying on those who blame our plight on pork chops,
[1:37:41] Speaker 1: hattoos or women who won't bathed. Well, thank you Phenelope,
[1:37:45] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. And guys, you know I'm always
[1:37:48] Speaker 1: going to be an ally. I will never listen. One
[1:37:51] Speaker 1: thing you'll never hear from me, even if I was
[1:37:52] Speaker 1: a fucking theist, is that raping women is ever justified
[1:37:56] Speaker 1: punishment for anything. It never is, it never has been,
[1:37:59] Speaker 1: It never fucking will be as preposterous that people will
[1:38:03] Speaker 1: read this book and lie on it as much as
[1:38:05] Speaker 1: they do. When God clearly states He's gonna have roomen raped,
[1:38:09] Speaker 1: he brags about it, in fact, in fact, in a
[1:38:13] Speaker 1: Jeremiah says He's gonna lift up their skirts and expose
[1:38:16] Speaker 1: their nakedness.
[1:38:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, and don't they kind of take away some power
[1:38:21] Speaker 3: from him when he is the one saying I Am
[1:38:24] Speaker 3: doing this, and then they go, yeah, but it's not
[1:38:26] Speaker 3: really him. Well, then you just like kind of made
[1:38:29] Speaker 3: God impotent because he says it is him.
[1:38:32] Speaker 1: Word listen, words have no meaning, Crystal. When God says
[1:38:35] Speaker 1: I'm doing it, he's not actually doing it. He's lying
[1:38:38] Speaker 1: to you. What a crazy things they have to believe, Peter,
[1:38:42] Speaker 1: thank you for the twenty dollars supertest says at Justin's barbecue,
[1:38:45] Speaker 1: Doug always decides the punishment. Actually that might be the case,
[1:38:50] Speaker 1: but it will not include baby paste or rape. We
[1:38:53] Speaker 1: know that much and is a bar Thank you for
[1:38:56] Speaker 1: the twenty three ninety nine dollars supertest says. My parents
[1:38:58] Speaker 1: are Catholics, but they let me decide if I want
[1:39:00] Speaker 1: to follow a religion. Actually that was my case. My
[1:39:03] Speaker 1: dad was Baptist, my mother was Catholic, and they never
[1:39:05] Speaker 1: forced anything on me. I came to my own decisions.
[1:39:08] Speaker 1: I always have been an atheist. I cannot thank them enough. Also,
[1:39:11] Speaker 1: I'm French, and I never had heard of not being
[1:39:14] Speaker 1: in evolution before these lives, or not believing in evolution
[1:39:17] Speaker 1: before these lives. It is kind of crazy because even
[1:39:21] Speaker 1: my Catholic upbringing, in Catholic school, we learned about evolution.
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: It was just kind of an accepted fact.
[1:39:27] Speaker 13: In fact, if you go, I've got the.
[1:39:30] Speaker 1: Dedicate Study Bible, it's a really good study Bible, and
[1:39:33] Speaker 1: it's full of where Catholic doctrine comes from. Like so
[1:39:37] Speaker 1: open up any passage and it gives you all the
[1:39:41] Speaker 1: information from like the ecamandical Councils, from the Catechism, and
[1:39:47] Speaker 1: it'll tell you like, here's what we believe, here's how
[1:39:52] Speaker 1: we came to that. Belief. Here's we promise, Here's how
[1:39:55] Speaker 1: we promulgated that to the people. It's in the Magisterium,
[1:39:58] Speaker 1: so on and so forth. And on evolution, there's specifically
[1:40:02] Speaker 1: a page in there that says, listen, our religion will
[1:40:05] Speaker 1: never disagree with science. And they believe nowadays that evolution
[1:40:10] Speaker 1: is firmly established as a scientific fact. And so Christianity
[1:40:13] Speaker 1: has to adhere, has to agree somehow with this fact because,
[1:40:19] Speaker 1: like they're trying to live in the real world. Jennifer,
[1:40:21] Speaker 1: thank you for the supertes says Hey, yeah, justin live
[1:40:23] Speaker 1: while I paint praise soft baked Christmas cookies and Doug.
[1:40:27] Speaker 1: Hell yeah, soft baked cookies. Listen, you guys know where
[1:40:30] Speaker 1: I stand on cookies. I'm rock hard for Doug, but
[1:40:33] Speaker 1: I'm flaccid as fucked for cookies. Don't give me none
[1:40:36] Speaker 1: of those hard, crunchy cookies, low Skill, says, justin. Do
[1:40:40] Speaker 1: you know why some people are making a comparison between
[1:40:43] Speaker 1: Trump and Yahoo or Jay who? I assume you mean
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: from the Bible? Is there anything that's a comparison at all?
[1:40:50] Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know what you mean by comparison. Like,
[1:40:57] Speaker 1: so there's a bunch of there's a bunch of kings who,
[1:40:59] Speaker 1: quote Unos, did not walk in the way of their father,
[1:41:02] Speaker 1: David ended evil. I don't see how that relates to Trump,
[1:41:06] Speaker 1: as like Trump is not a king of like good people,
[1:41:11] Speaker 1: like he's not expected to follow Yaway's laws. I don't
[1:41:15] Speaker 1: really know the comparison. There might be something more specific
[1:41:19] Speaker 1: in there that you're pointing to that I'm not grabbing by.
[1:41:22] Speaker 1: So I apologize for that. But is he a clown
[1:41:26] Speaker 1: as other people in the biblical text or portrayed?
[1:41:28] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[1:41:28] Speaker 1: Sure, Jules, great to see you, my friend. Thank you
[1:41:31] Speaker 1: for the tin that I was supertes says Hey, Justin
[1:41:32] Speaker 1: jumped in here to watch some dzy archives while I
[1:41:34] Speaker 1: study for my contracts law final. Well, good luck on
[1:41:38] Speaker 1: your final. It sounds daunting, pleasantly surprised to catch you
[1:41:41] Speaker 1: live book on rock Hard for Doug Wap for Doug
[1:41:44] Speaker 1: and Gay for Justin. Well, thank you, Jules, I appreciate that,
[1:41:48] Speaker 1: And yeah, I mean you can study. Hopefully you can
[1:41:51] Speaker 1: still study during this live stream. Christal. I don't know
[1:41:54] Speaker 1: how easy it is to study while you're watching somebody
[1:41:57] Speaker 1: get cooked on screen, but hopefully it can be on
[1:42:01] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[1:42:02] Speaker 3: I don't think I could because I'm I'm neurodivergent, so
[1:42:07] Speaker 3: I would end up not studying and just like yelling
[1:42:11] Speaker 3: at my screen, you know a lot justin Do you
[1:42:13] Speaker 3: have a peel box yet?
[1:42:16] Speaker 1: Sadly no, only because in my state it's stupid expensive.
[1:42:20] Speaker 1: It's like a hundred bucks to get a peeo box
[1:42:22] Speaker 1: that's large enough to actually utilize. So I haven't done
[1:42:25] Speaker 1: it yet, but I will eventually. I'm sorry I haven't
[1:42:28] Speaker 1: got to it. In twenty twenty six, I promise I'll
[1:42:29] Speaker 1: get a peeo box. I'll find a place where I
[1:42:32] Speaker 1: can get a cheaper peo box because I need one
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: at least big enough that I can like send and
[1:42:36] Speaker 1: receive Bibles. And most of the peel boxes are like
[1:42:39] Speaker 1: fucking little five envelope card slots and like this ain't
[1:42:42] Speaker 1: gonna do anything.
[1:42:43] Speaker 3: Have you checked with like a postal annex? Because out
[1:42:46] Speaker 3: here for me, like there's these little stores like in
[1:42:49] Speaker 3: your little strip malls, like a postal annex. And while
[1:42:52] Speaker 3: the box itself is small, they just put your packages
[1:42:57] Speaker 3: in the back and when you come in you can say,
[1:42:58] Speaker 3: do you have anything for pel for eight or whatever?
[1:43:02] Speaker 3: And then they hand me all my packages.
[1:43:04] Speaker 1: I'll have to check into that. That might be the
[1:43:06] Speaker 1: that might be a bitter route because they're not gonna
[1:43:08] Speaker 1: get it. To get a peel box to fit all
[1:43:10] Speaker 1: my nonsense in it is gonna be huge. I'd probably
[1:43:12] Speaker 1: just get then. Yeah, good point, I'll get on that.
[1:43:16] Speaker 1: House seventy, Thank you for the supertest, says I'm on
[1:43:19] Speaker 1: lunch break, delighted by the smell of grill grilled theis
[1:43:23] Speaker 1: purtesy of Justin's kitchen. Keep them cooking well, Thank you,
[1:43:26] Speaker 1: House seventy. Certainly great to see you and Ms Pickles
[1:43:29] Speaker 1: in the house this morning. Thank you so much. As
[1:43:31] Speaker 1: Addie is a white Christian, y are you fucking kidding me?
[1:43:34] Speaker 1: He's a white Christian nationalist. He has never read his Bible.
[1:43:37] Speaker 1: You can always tell because they have the speech patterns
[1:43:41] Speaker 1: like Steven Miller. You can see it when they pronounce s.
[1:43:44] Speaker 1: Oh no, listen, don't be throwing stones on people with lists.
[1:43:49] Speaker 1: I am counted among them. I can't even say the
[1:43:51] Speaker 1: damn word, but yeah, you're right. I mean, if he's
[1:43:54] Speaker 1: a white Christian nationalism, that explains a whole lot.
[1:43:58] Speaker 3: Us to Justin.
[1:44:01] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. I appreciate that Michael, thank you for
[1:44:05] Speaker 1: the six sixty six is fuck Doug, fuck David, fuck god.
[1:44:08] Speaker 1: I want to see the cat. Give us the cat.
[1:44:11] Speaker 1: Oh what's its name? It's so cute rock hard for well,
[1:44:15] Speaker 1: I have two of them, one named Volta in one
[1:44:18] Speaker 1: named Faraday. Currently, Volta is on my desk in front
[1:44:22] Speaker 1: of me, sleeping. In fact, I can put him on
[1:44:24] Speaker 1: on the kitty cam and Faraday ran off. Usually Faaraday
[1:44:30] Speaker 1: is the one that wants to be on my desk.
[1:44:32] Speaker 1: That's uh that watching the live stream. But uh yeah,
[1:44:37] Speaker 1: so right now, that's what that's what we got. We
[1:44:39] Speaker 1: got our our per little boy here. Take it a
[1:44:43] Speaker 1: sweet sweet little nap, sweet sweet little nap. When he
[1:44:45] Speaker 1: wakes up, we can turn the I'm sure we can
[1:44:47] Speaker 1: turn get some kit in action. Anyways, let me grab
[1:44:51] Speaker 1: our our last super chet. We'll get our next guest
[1:44:54] Speaker 1: in here. Cameron, thank you for the super dis is
[1:44:56] Speaker 1: justin thank you for early PM entertainment. You're spoiling us, sir,
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: Lie number eight. Oh fuck yeah, he's definitely online number eight. Well,
[1:45:05] Speaker 1: thank you, Cameron. I appreciate the appreciation. And we're gonna
[1:45:08] Speaker 1: keep the We're gonna keep the cooking rolling. So I
[1:45:11] Speaker 1: don't know who was in here next, because it looks
[1:45:14] Speaker 1: like most of the people that were in the queue
[1:45:16] Speaker 1: have turned over because we had kind of a longer conversation.
[1:45:20] Speaker 1: So I think Ruper is next, and then swamp creature
[1:45:24] Speaker 1: after that. So let me get Ruper in here real quick.
[1:45:29] Speaker 1: Now the kitty cam is actually in the way. I
[1:45:31] Speaker 1: have to lean forward to get around the kittie cam.
[1:45:35] Speaker 1: Welcome in, Rupert. Are you at least eighteen? And do
[1:45:37] Speaker 1: you believe in God?
[1:45:39] Speaker 22: I am eighteen, and yes, I do indeed believe.
[1:45:43] Speaker 6: In God awesome?
[1:45:44] Speaker 1: In which God do you believe in?
[1:45:47] Speaker 22: So why I'm Christian? I believe in Jesus.
[1:45:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, And do you believe that Jesus splash, the
[1:45:57] Speaker 1: Christian God is all good, partially good, or maybe not good.
[1:46:01] Speaker 22: It's a great question and it's one for up to debate,
[1:46:04] Speaker 22: and I really, I really appreciate your channel, by the way,
[1:46:07] Speaker 22: I just want to say that, and I believe that
[1:46:10] Speaker 22: God is good. That's my personal opinion. And so all
[1:46:16] Speaker 22: throughout my life, obviously, I've been trying to work out
[1:46:18] Speaker 22: what life is. I think every human being can relate
[1:46:21] Speaker 22: to this, and we're certainly not here to just pay taxes.
[1:46:25] Speaker 22: Are we really There's got to be something that's beyond that.
[1:46:29] Speaker 22: And when I get up in the morning and I
[1:46:31] Speaker 22: feel the fresh sun on my face, and I walk
[1:46:34] Speaker 22: out and I feel the grass and the world, it
[1:46:37] Speaker 22: feels like everything is in unison, like we're meant to
[1:46:39] Speaker 22: be here. You feel one. We're not meant to be
[1:46:42] Speaker 22: in this concrete jungle. You know, we're meant to be
[1:46:45] Speaker 22: in the wilderness. And so I feel like we are
[1:46:47] Speaker 22: one with this world, and this world is a beautiful
[1:46:50] Speaker 22: creation that none of us can really comprehend. And by
[1:46:54] Speaker 22: the way, I'm from England and it's really nice to
[1:46:56] Speaker 22: be calling you. I'm a big fan of the States.
[1:46:59] Speaker 4: But when I.
[1:47:01] Speaker 22: It's some basic scientific fact.
[1:47:02] Speaker 1: That I have no idea what you're talking about. My
[1:47:05] Speaker 1: question was, do you believe that God is good?
[1:47:09] Speaker 22: I believe that God is good. Yes, I believe that
[1:47:11] Speaker 22: God is a comprehension. And before you can scrutinize and
[1:47:14] Speaker 22: look into the Bible, it's important to kind of try
[1:47:18] Speaker 22: and understand the level of comprehension that the intelligence requires
[1:47:22] Speaker 22: to start believing in the creator of all creation. And
[1:47:25] Speaker 22: now I really appreciate we're having a discussion here, and
[1:47:29] Speaker 22: I really want to hear your side and I would
[1:47:32] Speaker 22: love to listen to you and for us to communicate
[1:47:36] Speaker 22: as people. But I'm just hoping that you might be
[1:47:39] Speaker 22: able to just hear me through and then I can
[1:47:41] Speaker 22: give you the stage as yours and we can have
[1:47:43] Speaker 22: a great conversation. But like, so, yeah, what I'm saying was.
[1:47:48] Speaker 1: Like, I have no idea how any of that addresses
[1:47:50] Speaker 1: my initial question. But my question is do you believe
[1:47:54] Speaker 1: that God is good?
[1:47:57] Speaker 22: I told you I believe that God is good? Right,
[1:48:00] Speaker 22: you will underniable proof.
[1:48:02] Speaker 1: How did you come to that conclusion?
[1:48:05] Speaker 22: So this is what I'm trying to say. I'm trying
[1:48:07] Speaker 22: to tell you how I came to that conclusion. And
[1:48:09] Speaker 22: I'm just saying that the fact, the scientific fact that
[1:48:12] Speaker 22: when I hit my hand on this table, kinetic energy
[1:48:14] Speaker 22: has just been dispersed into sound, into thermal. Okay, and
[1:48:19] Speaker 22: our body decomposes into this earth. But this life form
[1:48:23] Speaker 22: is what holds this vessel up, is what moves my hands,
[1:48:26] Speaker 22: is what moves my head, and it's what comprehends life.
[1:48:29] Speaker 22: It's what speaks life. Okay, I have a perspective, and
[1:48:33] Speaker 22: that's something that this body doesn't have without this life.
[1:48:35] Speaker 22: It's scientific fact that we create electricity in our heads.
[1:48:39] Speaker 22: And so when this vessel decomposes on life, this life,
[1:48:43] Speaker 22: through scientific fact, must manifest. It must go somewhere.
[1:48:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, fertilizer for the for the trees. Yeah, it doesn't
[1:48:52] Speaker 1: go anywhere else. There's no there's no soul. That's certainly
[1:48:57] Speaker 1: not the case. It's adorable that you think that's the case,
[1:49:00] Speaker 1: but it doesn't actually answer the question is how do
[1:49:02] Speaker 1: you know God is good?
[1:49:04] Speaker 22: It's interesting you think there's no soul because you have
[1:49:06] Speaker 22: a comprehension, you have a person.
[1:49:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, again, the question is how do you know God
[1:49:11] Speaker 1: is good. We're not here to debate whether or not
[1:49:13] Speaker 1: you think souls exist. We're here to debate whether or
[1:49:15] Speaker 1: not you think God is good. And the existence of
[1:49:18] Speaker 1: a soul is a tangential question, is not related. How
[1:49:23] Speaker 1: do you know that God is good?
[1:49:25] Speaker 22: So this is a very closed kind of you're closing
[1:49:27] Speaker 22: the box now. I'm trying to speak outside of the box,
[1:49:29] Speaker 22: but you want to sort of.
[1:49:30] Speaker 1: But did you see the link or the message on
[1:49:34] Speaker 1: the screen. Did you read the title of the live
[1:49:37] Speaker 1: stream when you came in, Yes, it says God is
[1:49:42] Speaker 1: not good. We're debating whether or not God exists right now,
[1:49:45] Speaker 1: not whether or not. We're debating whether or not God
[1:49:47] Speaker 1: is good or not. We're not debating if he exists.
[1:49:50] Speaker 1: To try to focus up.
[1:49:51] Speaker 22: Here, you're an atheist and so you don't believe in gods.
[1:49:54] Speaker 22: Saying if God is good or not out of the
[1:49:57] Speaker 22: question because you know it's not.
[1:49:59] Speaker 1: How to the question do you think do you think
[1:50:02] Speaker 1: that the Dementors and Harry Potter were good?
[1:50:04] Speaker 22: You'd have to believe in God.
[1:50:06] Speaker 1: To Rupert, do you think that the dementors and Harry
[1:50:08] Speaker 1: Potter were good?
[1:50:12] Speaker 22: Well, I don't know how that correlates to anything.
[1:50:17] Speaker 10: It does.
[1:50:17] Speaker 1: Try to pay attention to Rupert. Do you think that
[1:50:19] Speaker 1: the dementors in the Harry Pottery story Harry Pottery, Harry
[1:50:23] Speaker 1: Potter story were good? Yes?
[1:50:24] Speaker 4: Or no?
[1:50:26] Speaker 16: No?
[1:50:27] Speaker 1: Okay, you don't need to believe a story is true
[1:50:29] Speaker 1: to believe that the characters are either good or bad.
[1:50:32] Speaker 1: So me not believing in your sky fairy has nothing
[1:50:35] Speaker 1: to do with whether or not I can say that
[1:50:36] Speaker 1: your God is good. So we'll try this from the beginning.
[1:50:39] Speaker 1: How could one conclude that your God is good?
[1:50:45] Speaker 22: To give you proof that God yeah, okay, I believe
[1:50:50] Speaker 22: in Jesus. By the way, I just want to say
[1:50:52] Speaker 22: that believing in Jesus Jesus Hebrews eight sixteen to thirteen.
[1:50:56] Speaker 1: No one cares. We want to hear the argument for
[1:50:58] Speaker 1: why you believe guided.
[1:51:01] Speaker 22: And declares that the old one is obsolete, so we must.
[1:51:04] Speaker 1: Can't stop preaching. We're not asking about the Covenant. We're
[1:51:08] Speaker 1: asking how do you know? How could one come to
[1:51:11] Speaker 1: the conclusion that God is good?
[1:51:14] Speaker 22: Okay, thankful of your gift of life is really important.
[1:51:21] Speaker 22: For thankful that of the free will that you have
[1:51:24] Speaker 22: is another importance. We love because God, because God once
[1:51:29] Speaker 22: loved us, and jesus sacrifice is the ultimate love.
[1:51:35] Speaker 1: Are you stending a script or praying? What's happening right now?
[1:51:39] Speaker 21: No?
[1:51:39] Speaker 22: No, I'm just literally talking to you. I think you're
[1:51:42] Speaker 22: closed minded and it's hard discussion with you, and so
[1:51:45] Speaker 22: I'm looking away to speak into my mind.
[1:51:50] Speaker 16: I was.
[1:51:50] Speaker 22: I haven't be born into this faith, but I've definitely
[1:51:52] Speaker 22: found it from scrutiny. Giving you one word proof is
[1:51:58] Speaker 22: like saying E equals mc squares. So now I didn't
[1:52:00] Speaker 22: ask for In fractal cosmology and quantum physics, Yeah, but
[1:52:04] Speaker 22: you're asking for just like once, God is comprehension.
[1:52:08] Speaker 1: They one anything. I'm just asking you, how does anyone
[1:52:11] Speaker 1: come to the conclusion that God is good?
[1:52:15] Speaker 22: Through soul searching, through looking up and looking into this
[1:52:19] Speaker 22: world and believing that you feel united with this world
[1:52:23] Speaker 22: and looking into scriptures. Like I said, you must look
[1:52:27] Speaker 22: into the New Testament if you're believe in I have.
[1:52:30] Speaker 22: That's amazing.
[1:52:32] Speaker 1: Jesus the God of the Old Testament, Jesus.
[1:52:38] Speaker 22: Is part of God. God is is outside of spacetime
[1:52:42] Speaker 22: and energy, so he's outside of our comprehensions. Jesus, you
[1:52:47] Speaker 22: must worship me more to and or perish.
[1:52:50] Speaker 4: Jesus is God.
[1:52:51] Speaker 22: Yes, Jesus.
[1:52:52] Speaker 1: So in the Old Testament when God did stuff, we
[1:52:55] Speaker 1: can say that Jesus did stuff.
[1:52:59] Speaker 22: No, because Jesus Jesus not God.
[1:53:04] Speaker 4: Jesus is.
[1:53:06] Speaker 1: Jesus is not God in the Old So in the
[1:53:09] Speaker 1: Old Testament Jesus wasn't God. Then in the oldest Jesus okay,
[1:53:17] Speaker 1: so he was created.
[1:53:20] Speaker 22: To the Old Testament.
[1:53:21] Speaker 1: He certainly didn't fulfill a single prophecy, not even one.
[1:53:25] Speaker 22: Old Testament is obsolete. In the Old Testament.
[1:53:29] Speaker 1: Listener, just to pay atten stop stop stop, no, stop it, stop,
[1:53:36] Speaker 1: stop stop Now, you're muted, rupert. You're not here to preach,
[1:53:45] Speaker 1: no one, No one cares about your preaching. You listen.
[1:53:48] Speaker 1: You can laugh all you want while no one can
[1:53:49] Speaker 1: hear you. No one's here for preaching. We know the story,
[1:53:53] Speaker 1: we know the gospel. We've read the Bible. We know
[1:53:56] Speaker 1: it better than you do. That's why we're having this
[1:53:58] Speaker 1: discussion right now. You don't have to come here and
[1:54:01] Speaker 1: preach us the gospel. It's useless. What you're here for
[1:54:05] Speaker 1: is to have dialogue on a very specific subject. So
[1:54:11] Speaker 1: every time you preach, I'm going to cut you off.
[1:54:14] Speaker 1: No one gives a fuck about your preaching. Can you
[1:54:17] Speaker 1: actually follow a dialogue without reverting to preach mode? Yes
[1:54:21] Speaker 1: or no?
[1:54:24] Speaker 22: Yeah?
[1:54:24] Speaker 4: I hope.
[1:54:25] Speaker 22: So you can keep this closed minded conversation going if
[1:54:27] Speaker 22: you wish, I won't preach.
[1:54:28] Speaker 1: It's not closed minded. I'm not interested in your preaching.
[1:54:31] Speaker 1: I've already heard it. We don't need it, we don't care.
[1:54:35] Speaker 1: It's not good. I was a pastor for orbit decade.
[1:54:39] Speaker 1: I was a Christian for twenty years. I went to
[1:54:40] Speaker 1: Bible college and seminary. I can promise there's not a
[1:54:43] Speaker 1: word that's going to leave your mouth. That's going to
[1:54:45] Speaker 1: change my life. So for five seconds, pretend that preaching
[1:54:49] Speaker 1: is useless here and engage in actual dialogue on the topic.
[1:54:54] Speaker 1: That's what we're here for. No one's here for preaching.
[1:54:56] Speaker 1: If I want to hear preaching, I'll go to church
[1:54:58] Speaker 1: on Sunday.
[1:55:01] Speaker 11: Well that's okay, Yeah, I know.
[1:55:06] Speaker 1: Yeah, it blows your mind that some people don't want
[1:55:08] Speaker 1: to hear your preaching. Get used to it, Okay, So back,
[1:55:12] Speaker 1: do you even know what we're talking about? Do you
[1:55:13] Speaker 1: even remember?
[1:55:15] Speaker 22: You want to know whether God is good or not?
[1:55:20] Speaker 22: And so I asked you, whatever I say, you're going
[1:55:23] Speaker 22: to revert back to atheism.
[1:55:25] Speaker 1: So I'm going to revert back to the topic. It's
[1:55:28] Speaker 1: not about atheism.
[1:55:30] Speaker 22: The conversation is rented Rupert.
[1:55:32] Speaker 1: This is not about atheism.
[1:55:36] Speaker 22: No, I'm not, No, I know, it's not about Hell.
[1:55:39] Speaker 22: I know it's not about atheism, I could sir.
[1:55:43] Speaker 1: This is about whether or not the Christian God is good.
[1:55:46] Speaker 1: And so we're having, hopefully we're going to have a
[1:55:49] Speaker 1: discussion about whether or not the Christian God is good.
[1:55:53] Speaker 1: There's nothing to do with whether or not you should
[1:55:55] Speaker 1: be an atheist or whether or not I should be
[1:55:57] Speaker 1: a Christian. This is not what we're having a discussion
[1:55:59] Speaker 1: about right now. So let me ask you an easy question.
[1:56:02] Speaker 1: Do you think it's ever good to own slaves?
[1:56:09] Speaker 22: You need to look into the New Testament here.
[1:56:11] Speaker 1: I have, I've read all of it, so try this again.
[1:56:14] Speaker 1: The answer to the question is like, yes, no, maybe we.
[1:56:16] Speaker 22: Can have the slave conversation. That's absolutely fine. Slaves back
[1:56:20] Speaker 22: in that day was completely different idea to the way
[1:56:22] Speaker 22: it is today. There was a lot of people that
[1:56:25] Speaker 22: didn't have any money, and slave masters through the Bible
[1:56:29] Speaker 22: were told to appreciate their slaves, and there was laws
[1:56:32] Speaker 22: that were in commonplace where if this where if the
[1:56:34] Speaker 22: masters was horrible to their slaves, then the slaves would
[1:56:40] Speaker 22: be freed. And if the slaves owed people money, so
[1:56:43] Speaker 22: before they were slaves, if they owed the Emperor's money
[1:56:46] Speaker 22: instead of owning the money, they can go and do
[1:56:49] Speaker 22: work for them for six or seven years and then
[1:56:51] Speaker 22: be completely free. Today, the whole idea of slave trade
[1:56:54] Speaker 22: has been completely changed.
[1:56:57] Speaker 1: Sure, do you want to read the verse on the
[1:56:59] Speaker 1: screen for me? I assume you've never read.
[1:57:00] Speaker 22: It, Sorry, Mikes, So the best could you read out
[1:57:05] Speaker 22: for me?
[1:57:06] Speaker 1: I'll really appreciate that, because as for the male and
[1:57:08] Speaker 1: female slaves he may have. It's from the nations around
[1:57:11] Speaker 1: you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You
[1:57:13] Speaker 1: may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you,
[1:57:17] Speaker 1: and from their families who are with you, who have
[1:57:18] Speaker 1: been born in your land. They may be your property.
[1:57:21] Speaker 1: You may keep them as a possession for your children
[1:57:23] Speaker 1: after you, for them to inherit as property. You may
[1:57:27] Speaker 1: treat them as slaves. But as for your fellow Israelites,
[1:57:29] Speaker 1: no one shall rule over the other with harshness. So
[1:57:32] Speaker 1: if you took a foreigner as a slave, they were
[1:57:34] Speaker 1: a slave forever, and if they had children, they would
[1:57:38] Speaker 1: be your slaves, and if you died, they would be
[1:57:40] Speaker 1: passed down to your children. This is called slavery when
[1:57:43] Speaker 1: you own a human being as property. So these people
[1:57:48] Speaker 1: don't get to go free in the seventh year. That's
[1:57:50] Speaker 1: only for male Hebrews, according to Exes Chapter twenty one.
[1:57:54] Speaker 1: So was this good or bad?
[1:57:59] Speaker 22: From what you just told me, that's bad. I'm not
[1:58:02] Speaker 22: going to give you my personal preference that I think
[1:58:05] Speaker 22: that's good. From what the information you told me, I
[1:58:09] Speaker 22: don't agree with that. I think we may be taking
[1:58:12] Speaker 22: this out of context. Well I don't. I'm just I'm
[1:58:18] Speaker 22: really sorry. But you read the Bible more than I have,
[1:58:23] Speaker 22: and it seems that you've got so much more information
[1:58:24] Speaker 22: and I really appreciate that. But if you were to
[1:58:28] Speaker 22: ask me this straight up, whether you think slaves are
[1:58:30] Speaker 22: good or bad, then I think that's they're not good.
[1:58:35] Speaker 1: Then why does God tell her you're going to have slaves?
[1:58:38] Speaker 22: So I've personally had trouble with this being a Christian,
[1:58:42] Speaker 22: and so with my with my own kind of research
[1:58:46] Speaker 22: and things, I've sort of come My research gave me
[1:58:53] Speaker 22: different scriptures and different parts of the Bible which said
[1:58:56] Speaker 22: different things about about slaves and about owning them, about
[1:59:00] Speaker 22: God giving masters and slaves, like a different kind of
[1:59:06] Speaker 22: scripture to to go by. Yeah, I understand why why
[1:59:15] Speaker 22: that that's conflicting for you and a lot of people.
[1:59:17] Speaker 22: I completely get that, I really do. I just want
[1:59:21] Speaker 22: to say as well that I'm not going to spend
[1:59:23] Speaker 22: my time like giving you some some false information that
[1:59:26] Speaker 22: I don't know about. I haven't like read the Bible
[1:59:30] Speaker 22: in full context to be able to start regurgitating parts
[1:59:32] Speaker 22: of it to form a great argument. I think you're right,
[1:59:37] Speaker 22: completely in in in having these these troubles about the Bible,
[1:59:42] Speaker 22: and I think it's right that anyone does, and I
[1:59:44] Speaker 22: can understand why. I just know that obviously we're not
[1:59:49] Speaker 22: here to preach. I get that that's that's the rules
[1:59:51] Speaker 22: of this, and you've laid that out pretty clearly. But
[1:59:55] Speaker 22: through my own comprehension and understanding, I have a lot
[1:59:58] Speaker 22: of faith, just like you have faith that I'm not
[2:00:00] Speaker 22: an AI chat bot. Let's talking talking to you a
[2:00:02] Speaker 22: lot a hologram. I have also the same faith in
[2:00:06] Speaker 22: God and in the creator of all creation. But again,
[2:00:09] Speaker 22: I don't want to go into preaching mode. So I
[2:00:13] Speaker 22: just want to say that if we want to go
[2:00:15] Speaker 22: into more scriptures and we want to have this kind
[2:00:17] Speaker 22: of talker topic, then I'd rather.
[2:00:20] Speaker 4: We just end it here.
[2:00:22] Speaker 22: And with all due respects, I really appreciate you. You know,
[2:00:27] Speaker 22: you're built to the same pattern of skin, bows, internal
[2:00:29] Speaker 22: organs as me. There is a pattern to this universe,
[2:00:33] Speaker 22: and there is a comprehension to God. But I you
[2:00:38] Speaker 22: know so much more of the Bible than I, and
[2:00:40] Speaker 22: so you'd win this this kind of closed argument, Eddie,
[2:00:42] Speaker 22: day of the week. And so I just want to
[2:00:44] Speaker 22: say I appreciate you. I appreciate what you're doing. I
[2:00:46] Speaker 22: appreciate everyone that's listening and has taken the time to
[2:00:49] Speaker 22: listen to our conversation. And I I just, yeah, I
[2:00:56] Speaker 22: need to scrape up on my knowledge of scripture to
[2:00:58] Speaker 22: be able to come back and talk to you about
[2:01:00] Speaker 22: this kind of thing. And it's not something that I possess.
[2:01:03] Speaker 22: And I don't want to stand here and and and
[2:01:05] Speaker 22: lie to the camera like you've had a few other
[2:01:07] Speaker 22: people doing, or have an argument with you, because I
[2:01:11] Speaker 22: do generally just appreciate you and your questions. So if that,
[2:01:16] Speaker 22: if that's the way it's going to go, then I
[2:01:17] Speaker 22: just want to say cheerio and thank you for the
[2:01:19] Speaker 22: opportunity to have me on here, and I wish you
[2:01:22] Speaker 22: well have a great Christmas. And you've got a really
[2:01:25] Speaker 22: cute cat. I lost my cat recently.
[2:01:27] Speaker 1: And I hate to hear that. I'm sorry.
[2:01:30] Speaker 22: Yeah, cats are amazing, right, They're like they always pick us,
[2:01:33] Speaker 22: you know, like dogs are always there at our feet,
[2:01:35] Speaker 22: but cats is more personal kind of relationships. So yeah,
[2:01:39] Speaker 22: I hope you have a great Christmas. And again, thank
[2:01:41] Speaker 22: you so much and all respect you have a go on,
[2:01:45] Speaker 22: Robert Chit Bye.
[2:01:48] Speaker 4: Bye.
[2:01:53] Speaker 3: He didn't realize you were reading from your special atheist
[2:01:56] Speaker 3: Bible doing your atheisms.
[2:02:00] Speaker 1: Actually, you know what, I've had people say that to
[2:02:04] Speaker 1: me that I'm reading from the atheist Bible that I
[2:02:13] Speaker 1: didn't know we had our own Bible. Someone should have
[2:02:15] Speaker 1: told me sooner, I know.
[2:02:18] Speaker 3: But we're getting a dug Bible kind of put together
[2:02:21] Speaker 3: over there on that discord.
[2:02:23] Speaker 4: I know.
[2:02:23] Speaker 1: I'm excited. Well, friend, let mcgard's some super tests. We're
[2:02:27] Speaker 1: gonna get swamp creature in here next cal. Great to
[2:02:31] Speaker 1: see you, my friend. Thank you for the SUPERDT says,
[2:02:32] Speaker 1: if Catholics believe in evolution and there is no literal
[2:02:36] Speaker 1: Adam and Eve, doesn't that nullify Jesus sacrifice and original sin?
[2:02:40] Speaker 1: How do they square this if it's all allegory or
[2:02:43] Speaker 1: not literal. So this is actually a really good point,
[2:02:45] Speaker 1: because this was one of my biggest complaints when I
[2:02:47] Speaker 1: was in Catholic school, is how do we square original sin?
[2:02:50] Speaker 1: If Adam and Eve aren't the first human beings and
[2:02:53] Speaker 1: they really have to do pretzels to square it, and
[2:02:55] Speaker 1: they can't really square it, they don't really have a
[2:02:58] Speaker 1: good way of doing it.
[2:03:00] Speaker 3: That's a good point. I didn't ever think of that either.
[2:03:04] Speaker 3: See this is why you still have to listen to
[2:03:07] Speaker 3: justin the old atheist. Okay, he'll give you new insights.
[2:03:13] Speaker 13: Well.
[2:03:13] Speaker 1: And the other thing too is I had a professor.
[2:03:16] Speaker 1: I took a class on genesis once. I had a
[2:03:18] Speaker 1: professor who believed in evolution as well, and we had
[2:03:22] Speaker 1: a kind of a mini dialogue about how it doesn't
[2:03:24] Speaker 1: make sense that God would randomly pick one area in
[2:03:29] Speaker 1: history and say, okay, now they get my image. Because
[2:03:33] Speaker 1: his argument was that, like, well, the image of God
[2:03:37] Speaker 1: is what makes you distinctly human. So at some point
[2:03:39] Speaker 1: in evolution and history, God put his image in man Like, well,
[2:03:43] Speaker 1: what a vague gray area? Like how did God decide? Okay,
[2:03:48] Speaker 1: well now they're smart enough to put my image in them.
[2:03:51] Speaker 1: But everyone after that like, what a weird thing to
[2:03:54] Speaker 1: But that's the type of pretzel you have to, you know,
[2:03:58] Speaker 1: turn yourself into to believe he's a nice guy. I
[2:04:01] Speaker 1: love them to death.
[2:04:02] Speaker 3: I did some pretzels too when I was a Christian.
[2:04:05] Speaker 3: I really did some.
[2:04:08] Speaker 1: Then, to be fair, I think a lot of us did,
[2:04:12] Speaker 1: and I think that's why it's so easy to recognize
[2:04:14] Speaker 1: it when we're in these live streams we're watching other
[2:04:17] Speaker 1: people do it. It's because, like we've seen it before,
[2:04:20] Speaker 1: half of us were doing it, you know. Martin, thank
[2:04:24] Speaker 1: you for the tin that our supertest has. Absolutely love
[2:04:26] Speaker 1: your kittens. However, I must admit the upset theist cam
[2:04:29] Speaker 1: had me rolling on the floor. I hate when Christians
[2:04:32] Speaker 1: are so confident and get rusted. I know, I hate it. Christian,
[2:04:37] Speaker 1: if you're watching right now, whatever you do, don't come
[2:04:40] Speaker 1: in here really overconfident about what the Bible says. Do
[2:04:44] Speaker 1: anything but that. Ray, Thank you for the ten that
[2:04:46] Speaker 1: I was supertend. I couldn't think of anything crafty to say,
[2:04:48] Speaker 1: but here's ten hours. Anyways. Love what you do well.
[2:04:51] Speaker 1: Thank you, Raith. I really really appreciate that, and I do.
[2:04:56] Speaker 1: When I opened the stream, I kind of mentioned this.
[2:04:57] Speaker 1: I the reason why I want to do a morning
[2:04:59] Speaker 1: stream today is because my schedule is busy. But also
[2:05:01] Speaker 1: I'm so used to waking up Monday morning and going
[2:05:06] Speaker 1: to work. Like I miss waking up Monday morning and
[2:05:09] Speaker 1: going into the office. My mind has been preprogrammed. I
[2:05:12] Speaker 1: cannot sleep in, I can't rest, I have to do shit.
[2:05:16] Speaker 1: And so I was like, you know, what, fuck it,
[2:05:17] Speaker 1: We're doing Monday morning stream. We're gonna make it happen.
[2:05:19] Speaker 1: So and look, Crystal's come to join me. So like
[2:05:23] Speaker 1: what a payoffs. It's exciting. Klhote Did I read that one? Sorry?
[2:05:31] Speaker 1: Now I read that one That was from Martin right,
[2:05:33] Speaker 1: klkhoto says, I survived my vacation, and the krack in
[2:05:36] Speaker 1: one drink of it in an empty stomach is enough
[2:05:39] Speaker 1: for this old man. Well, klhoto, be careful with the cracket.
[2:05:42] Speaker 1: It is for real. Look at if you're on the
[2:05:45] Speaker 1: stream right now, you can see Volta trying to find
[2:05:49] Speaker 1: any way he can to get to my Christmas tree.
[2:05:52] Speaker 1: I've surrounded it with stuff so he can't eat my
[2:05:55] Speaker 1: Christmas tree. Right now, it looks like he's given up
[2:05:58] Speaker 1: on the enterprise. Okay, good, so hold oh listen, you
[2:06:01] Speaker 1: can mix it. You don't have to take it straight.
[2:06:03] Speaker 1: Be careful, don't upset your stomach. How boy says Justin.
[2:06:06] Speaker 1: I'm taking a Christian Bible study and it turns out
[2:06:10] Speaker 1: the entire Bible is out of context. Amazing. Ah, that's
[2:06:17] Speaker 1: one hundred percent the case. No matter what Bible passage
[2:06:21] Speaker 1: you read in a Bible study, the Christian's gonna say
[2:06:24] Speaker 1: it's out of context. In fact, Joel Crystal, you've seen
[2:06:29] Speaker 1: Joel reads the entire Bible, and they're blake, it's out
[2:06:32] Speaker 1: of context, motherfucker. I'm reading it word for a word,
[2:06:35] Speaker 1: chapter of a chapter.
[2:06:38] Speaker 3: It doesn't matter. And even sometimes they'll go, oh, no,
[2:06:41] Speaker 3: I never heard that story, and you'll go, Okay, here's
[2:06:43] Speaker 3: this story. It's in second tear min and they'll go, oh, well,
[2:06:45] Speaker 3: you're taking it out of context. Dude, you never heard
[2:06:48] Speaker 3: this story until just just pointed it out to you.
[2:06:52] Speaker 3: How can you know it's out of context.
[2:06:54] Speaker 1: It's the craziest thing. Trilogy says, Really, the only question
[2:06:58] Speaker 1: I have is how can Christian say God gave us
[2:07:00] Speaker 1: free will but also have prophecies a predetermined outcome completely
[2:07:05] Speaker 1: undermines free will and choice. Couldn't agree more. Trilogy, The
[2:07:09] Speaker 1: minute God does prophecy is admitting that God does intervene
[2:07:14] Speaker 1: in free will. And Stocky says, been enjoying your YouTube
[2:07:18] Speaker 1: content for a while, So here's my tithe Happy holidays. Well,
[2:07:21] Speaker 1: thank you, I really appreciate that, and happy holidays. Friend,
[2:07:24] Speaker 1: last super chap from now from our friend David. David,
[2:07:27] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the fifty dollars super Chiel
[2:07:29] Speaker 1: let's get some w's for David. This happy read Christianity
[2:07:32] Speaker 1: the first three thousand years here is dollars to buy.
[2:07:37] Speaker 1: If not shit show way worse than I ever imagined
[2:07:41] Speaker 1: or used to buy. Doug a hagstone hole in it
[2:07:45] Speaker 1: for his rock artist. I haven't actually read the entire
[2:07:47] Speaker 1: book e eight thank you for the Galaxy, but I
[2:07:50] Speaker 1: actually do hold on, actually do own it, because I
[2:07:59] Speaker 1: did read through a lot of it, and you're right,
[2:08:02] Speaker 1: there's some ship in there. There's some there's some ship
[2:08:05] Speaker 1: in there. And to be fair, friends, if you I
[2:08:08] Speaker 1: know it's a long read, if you haven't read it,
[2:08:11] Speaker 1: I do recommend at least going through and reading some
[2:08:14] Speaker 1: of the chapters that you find interesting. He's a real
[2:08:17] Speaker 1: bona fide historian, he's got real credentials. It's it's a
[2:08:21] Speaker 1: it's a decent book. Are you Are you gonna become
[2:08:24] Speaker 1: a Christian when you read it? No, of course not.
[2:08:26] Speaker 1: But I was more or less interested in what he
[2:08:32] Speaker 1: had to say about the early Church period. I stopped
[2:08:34] Speaker 1: reading once I got into like the fourth century. I
[2:08:37] Speaker 1: was like, Okay, we don't care so much about some
[2:08:39] Speaker 1: of this stuff. But David, it's worth it's worth picking up.
[2:08:42] Speaker 1: It's a good suggestion. Good suggestion. All right, let's get
[2:08:45] Speaker 1: in swamp creature.
[2:08:53] Speaker 21: How are you do you want to put on video?
[2:08:56] Speaker 11: Hello?
[2:08:57] Speaker 1: I mean, as long as you're closed, I don't. I
[2:08:58] Speaker 1: don't care.
[2:09:00] Speaker 16: Oh is it not on video? Hello?
[2:09:04] Speaker 1: It's not a small creature. Are you at least eighteen?
[2:09:06] Speaker 1: And do you believe in God?
[2:09:08] Speaker 16: I'm forty seven and I am in the process.
[2:09:13] Speaker 21: Many, many, many, probably a background like you. But I'm
[2:09:17] Speaker 21: happier because I'm now going to Episcopalian church with three
[2:09:24] Speaker 21: women rectors. I'm happier when I'm in church. I'm happier
[2:09:27] Speaker 21: when I'm in.
[2:09:28] Speaker 16: The process of believing in God and believing or trying
[2:09:34] Speaker 16: to believe that.
[2:09:37] Speaker 1: I am good.
[2:09:39] Speaker 21: When I'm trying to understand God. And so I wrote
[2:09:43] Speaker 21: in a comment, it's like I understand.
[2:09:45] Speaker 16: The goodness of God. Probably a lot because I read C. S.
[2:09:51] Speaker 16: Lewis Is The Great Divorce. That book really changed.
[2:09:57] Speaker 13: My soul.
[2:09:59] Speaker 16: I came from a parents were divorced mother. My mother
[2:10:04] Speaker 16: was an evangelic.
[2:10:05] Speaker 21: My parents met in a Christian Swedish commune in Portland, Oregon.
[2:10:09] Speaker 21: Divorced very quickly after my dad went to seminary Fuller seminary.
[2:10:16] Speaker 21: My mom went super evangelical, she's now a evangelical Trump supporter.
[2:10:19] Speaker 21: And my dad became a social worker and is I'm
[2:10:25] Speaker 21: the most wonderful man and did social.
[2:10:29] Speaker 16: Work his whole life.
[2:10:31] Speaker 21: Taught me that my life is about purpose and then
[2:10:34] Speaker 21: maybe I get paid. But is still a profoundly Christian
[2:10:39] Speaker 21: person named me Christine, which is the follower of Christ.
[2:10:47] Speaker 21: Right almost named the Rudolph after his favorite philosopher, although
[2:10:53] Speaker 21: he wrote most of his stuff about Kregergard, which Christian existentialism.
[2:11:03] Speaker 21: If you know, as a theologian and a man who
[2:11:06] Speaker 21: went to Bible school, that leap into faith.
[2:11:12] Speaker 16: Is what life is all about.
[2:11:15] Speaker 10: Right?
[2:11:16] Speaker 1: Well, I don't think so. I read some fear and
[2:11:18] Speaker 1: trembling pie Kirka Guard was not at all on board
[2:11:21] Speaker 1: with them. But that being said, the question that we're
[2:11:24] Speaker 1: trying to resolve right now is whether or not we
[2:11:26] Speaker 1: think God is good. And if you're deconstructing and you've
[2:11:30] Speaker 1: already found yourself in episcopalianism, my guess is you've probably
[2:11:34] Speaker 1: found some Bible passages where you think God is not good? Right, yeah,
[2:11:39] Speaker 1: all right? So what do you do with those?
[2:11:43] Speaker 21: Probably the same as you did, Crystal and yourself like,
[2:11:47] Speaker 21: in context, I go back to the ideas of mythology.
[2:11:50] Speaker 21: Story has to have to look at all in context.
[2:11:54] Speaker 21: I definitely, you know, I went to Bible school. I
[2:11:57] Speaker 21: went to hardcore evangelical Christian school. I had to memorize
[2:12:01] Speaker 21: all this Bible verses and all that, and all of
[2:12:05] Speaker 21: the people who were saying God is good, God is
[2:12:07] Speaker 21: good were praying while their family were sick or whatever
[2:12:11] Speaker 21: was going on, and that pissed me off so much,
[2:12:15] Speaker 21: so much that I got my master's degree in public administration,
[2:12:18] Speaker 21: and I did the Peace Corps, and now I work
[2:12:20] Speaker 21: at the State Department on Human Rights and recently, for
[2:12:23] Speaker 21: the last four years worked at the Office of International
[2:12:25] Speaker 21: Religious Freedom. But through that journey, I also in my
[2:12:30] Speaker 21: Peace Corps, I married a conservative Muslim, which taught me
[2:12:35] Speaker 21: a lot about their version of God, which is pretty
[2:12:42] Speaker 21: terrible and evil. Definitely, I don't think Muslims would say
[2:12:47] Speaker 21: God is good. They would just say God is peace
[2:12:50] Speaker 21: and God is all knowing. So I would say God
[2:12:54] Speaker 21: is indifferent.
[2:12:58] Speaker 1: God is Yeah, I think it's good to be indifferent
[2:13:03] Speaker 1: to suffering. No, oh, so something I agree.
[2:13:09] Speaker 21: Then I feel like I feel like that is our
[2:13:10] Speaker 21: responsibility as in this like feeble finite life that we
[2:13:15] Speaker 21: have to accomplish as as this is. Carl Jung said
[2:13:21] Speaker 21: this that we were put on earth to finish God's creation.
[2:13:27] Speaker 21: So and that to me like jives with my idea
[2:13:30] Speaker 21: of Christ and him being enlightened one at him being
[2:13:35] Speaker 21: I am the way of the truth in life. Right,
[2:13:38] Speaker 21: so he reinterprets the law and the Pharisees like have
[2:13:41] Speaker 21: to shut up right when he goes into I'm, I'm
[2:13:45] Speaker 21: this is why I wanted to get into this because like,
[2:13:48] Speaker 21: you're brilliant theology theologian, but you were like, oh my god,
[2:13:51] Speaker 21: these poor boys right in front of you had no
[2:13:53] Speaker 21: idea what to say because they just got so arrogant
[2:13:58] Speaker 21: and full of themselves, which is no way to come
[2:14:02] Speaker 21: to you. But I wanted to actually have an honest conversation,
[2:14:05] Speaker 21: a deeper conversation, because I feel you're actually when I
[2:14:08] Speaker 21: first got in, you were talking to Moses, and I
[2:14:10] Speaker 21: respected what you talked about in terms of Judaism and
[2:14:16] Speaker 21: in Judaism.
[2:14:17] Speaker 16: Though they don't believe in Jesus, I do.
[2:14:21] Speaker 21: Respect in Judaism that the process of being a Jew
[2:14:25] Speaker 21: is wrestling with God. Right, and that is high prize
[2:14:29] Speaker 21: and that understanding of wrestling with what God is.
[2:14:33] Speaker 1: Although let's talk about the topic of God being good.
[2:14:37] Speaker 1: You concluded that suffering is bad and being indifferent to
[2:14:42] Speaker 1: suffering is bad. So agree or disagree being indifferent to
[2:14:46] Speaker 1: suffering is bad. God is indifferent to suffering. Therefore God
[2:14:50] Speaker 1: is bad.
[2:14:53] Speaker 16: No, I don't think that therefore is That's a jump.
[2:14:57] Speaker 16: I didn't say that.
[2:14:59] Speaker 1: Okay, so is God indifferent to suffering?
[2:15:02] Speaker 21: Indifferent to suffering is different from God is bad?
[2:15:08] Speaker 1: All right? Well, maybe I didn't reword.
[2:15:11] Speaker 21: Howbout let's go towards God is interconnected and observes.
[2:15:20] Speaker 16: God allows us a choice.
[2:15:23] Speaker 1: The wording maybe just needs tweaked a little bit. So
[2:15:27] Speaker 1: with say God is indifferent to suffering?
[2:15:30] Speaker 20: Uh? Is?
[2:15:33] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I got premise to in one mixed up
[2:15:36] Speaker 1: primis number one, Being indifferent to suffering is bad behavior?
[2:15:40] Speaker 1: Yes or no? Mmm?
[2:15:46] Speaker 21: I wouldn't go no, I'm not No. That statement is
[2:15:50] Speaker 21: like you're assigning like human qualities to like anthropomorphic ideas.
[2:15:57] Speaker 1: I don't say anything about God. I said being indifferent
[2:16:01] Speaker 1: to suffering is bad.
[2:16:02] Speaker 21: Because you're trying to do your logic like vehicles.
[2:16:06] Speaker 14: There but it's like, I get it.
[2:16:09] Speaker 3: Do you either agree with the premise or you don't.
[2:16:11] Speaker 21: I prefer to like, I prefer to like do takeout
[2:16:14] Speaker 21: is or or to be take out those take out.
[2:16:17] Speaker 1: Those states of.
[2:16:21] Speaker 11: Exists deep logic.
[2:16:23] Speaker 21: But like, how about let's talk about the experience of
[2:16:27] Speaker 21: seeking God, which is I think what Jesus asks.
[2:16:30] Speaker 1: Us to do? Why do I care about that? Did
[2:16:33] Speaker 1: you read the topic when you came in?
[2:16:36] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[2:16:37] Speaker 1: Do you want to talk about the topic or not?
[2:16:39] Speaker 11: Yeah?
[2:16:40] Speaker 16: Is God good?
[2:16:41] Speaker 1: Also?
[2:16:42] Speaker 2: Right?
[2:16:42] Speaker 1: So you said earlier that being indifferent to suffering is bad?
[2:16:46] Speaker 1: Do you disagree with that?
[2:16:47] Speaker 5: Now?
[2:16:51] Speaker 1: Like, if if I walk I agree, Yeah, it's a
[2:16:55] Speaker 1: it's a decision that you made. So if I walk
[2:16:57] Speaker 1: by and I watch an adult punching a child, assaulting
[2:17:02] Speaker 1: a child in an alley and I'm just indifferent to it,
[2:17:05] Speaker 1: I don't help. I don't really care. Am I acting
[2:17:07] Speaker 1: good or bad?
[2:17:09] Speaker 16: God is indifferent?
[2:17:10] Speaker 6: So out.
[2:17:11] Speaker 1: Oh, I didn't ask you about God. I asked you
[2:17:13] Speaker 1: about me. If I if I walk by a child
[2:17:16] Speaker 1: being assaulted in an alley, I didn't ask you about God.
[2:17:20] Speaker 1: I asked you about me. I don't think if I
[2:17:22] Speaker 1: walk by a child being Oh, so you agree God
[2:17:28] Speaker 1: doesn't care.
[2:17:30] Speaker 21: I mean, I believe that our experience of being connected,
[2:17:36] Speaker 21: which is what makes us human beings and connects us
[2:17:39] Speaker 21: spiritually to ourselves and to other human beings, which is
[2:17:42] Speaker 21: the magnificent miracle of being a human being, especially that
[2:17:47] Speaker 21: I understand through being a Christian, which I think every Matthew, Mark, Luke,
[2:17:51] Speaker 21: and John everyone here is that the theologian and understand scripture.
[2:17:56] Speaker 21: I think every single red line in Matthew, Mark, and
[2:17:58] Speaker 21: Luke and John.
[2:17:59] Speaker 16: Is about the process of love and loving each other.
[2:18:02] Speaker 1: Oh, I disagree that.
[2:18:04] Speaker 21: Yes, matt are you kidding? Father Son, and Holy Ghost?
[2:18:07] Speaker 21: The Trinity is about God in three.
[2:18:12] Speaker 1: Uh, that's a logically incoherent And I don't believe that
[2:18:16] Speaker 1: all the red letters demonstrate God loving because in Mark
[2:18:20] Speaker 1: chapter seven, Jesus chastises the Pharisees in Mark chapters of
[2:18:27] Speaker 1: being wrong. So in Mark Mark seven Jesus chastises the
[2:18:33] Speaker 1: Pharisees for not swamp. I know what things are like.
[2:18:36] Speaker 1: I know I know in your in your in life
[2:18:38] Speaker 1: you live, you think you can talk over to people,
[2:18:40] Speaker 1: but you're not going to do it here. So in
[2:18:42] Speaker 1: Mark chapter seven, Jesus chastises the Pharisees for not following
[2:18:46] Speaker 1: the law of Moses, similar to what he does in
[2:18:49] Speaker 1: Mark chapter two. In Mark chapter seven, he chastises them
[2:18:52] Speaker 1: specifically for not following the law where they stone the
[2:18:56] Speaker 1: children for cursing their father and mother.
[2:19:02] Speaker 21: So Mark the version of the Gospels, and Mark is
[2:19:05] Speaker 21: the most like hardcore about the version of Christ as
[2:19:09] Speaker 21: following the law right Matthew other scriptures about who forever
[2:19:15] Speaker 21: is the first one to sin?
[2:19:16] Speaker 16: Can can pick up the first stone?
[2:19:18] Speaker 21: Right?
[2:19:19] Speaker 16: The same one?
[2:19:21] Speaker 1: Yes, now we're talking about Matthew Mark, that is the Well,
[2:19:26] Speaker 1: there's no there's no counterpoint because we're reading a verse
[2:19:29] Speaker 1: in Mark. You want to read it or not.
[2:19:31] Speaker 21: So that's why I love being an episcopalian, because they
[2:19:35] Speaker 21: focus on differents.
[2:19:36] Speaker 1: Did Jesus say these words are not differ?
[2:19:41] Speaker 16: Did Jesus say these Oh, God, I don't know. I
[2:19:43] Speaker 16: have a hard time responding.
[2:19:45] Speaker 21: To that is the Bible Mark Mark's version of Jesus'
[2:19:50] Speaker 21: words or that he said that.
[2:19:54] Speaker 1: So you'd pick and choose which parson of the Bible
[2:19:56] Speaker 1: you want to be true based on how you feel. Yeah, okay,
[2:20:01] Speaker 1: so what if I said I feel like Mark seven
[2:20:04] Speaker 1: is true and John's not true.
[2:20:13] Speaker 21: I you is subjective, right, you're choosing both of those things.
[2:20:18] Speaker 1: You're choosing God is God, the author of confusion. Why
[2:20:21] Speaker 1: would he give us a book where we have to
[2:20:22] Speaker 1: choose which parts we agree with and which ones we don't.
[2:20:28] Speaker 21: I mean, I think that that's kind of a like
[2:20:31] Speaker 21: a logic fallacy to say God gave us this book. Right,
[2:20:34] Speaker 21: it was written by several individuals for specific political reasons.
[2:20:41] Speaker 21: And yet somehow, in four gospels we are given an
[2:20:46] Speaker 21: answer to our reason for being. And that's what the
[2:20:50] Speaker 21: two guys before me were trying to talk about.
[2:20:53] Speaker 1: But like close, we don't. But we don't care about
[2:20:55] Speaker 1: the preaching. Every Holy book promises.
[2:21:00] Speaker 16: Of the Bible.
[2:21:01] Speaker 1: Every Holy book promises you answers to the questions of life.
[2:21:05] Speaker 1: I could care less about what the Bible says why
[2:21:08] Speaker 1: I'm here, although it's pretty clear that I'm here because
[2:21:13] Speaker 1: like of a cosmic accident in reality. But according to
[2:21:17] Speaker 1: the Bible, I'm here because God created me specifically to
[2:21:20] Speaker 1: be a vessel of wrath. So do you believe in
[2:21:22] Speaker 1: hell or did you get rid of that part of
[2:21:24] Speaker 1: your belief already?
[2:21:28] Speaker 16: I think hell in heaven are a mode of consciousness.
[2:21:31] Speaker 4: That's what C. S.
[2:21:32] Speaker 16: Lewis is The Great Divorce is about. I think you
[2:21:36] Speaker 16: believe on earth.
[2:21:38] Speaker 21: That's what Sartre talks about. That's what care Greguard talks about.
[2:21:41] Speaker 21: I mean, these are modes of consciousness.
[2:21:43] Speaker 1: That I'm interested to know what Jesus talks about. Did
[2:21:45] Speaker 1: Jesus say anything about Hell?
[2:21:47] Speaker 21: Very easily, very very clearly, you can read this.
[2:21:50] Speaker 1: What does Jesus say about Hell? I don't care about, Carekreguard,
[2:21:53] Speaker 1: What does Jesus say about Hell?
[2:21:56] Speaker 11: I don't know?
[2:21:57] Speaker 16: Actually tell me, preach to me, seriously.
[2:22:00] Speaker 3: I don't know.
[2:22:02] Speaker 1: He says, there's fire, you'll be in agony. There there'll
[2:22:04] Speaker 1: be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
[2:22:07] Speaker 16: Yeah, okay, I know that very well having my mother.
[2:22:11] Speaker 21: My mother used to have like spirits cast out of
[2:22:14] Speaker 21: me as a child when I wasn't doing when I
[2:22:16] Speaker 21: wasn't behaving well, So.
[2:22:17] Speaker 15: I have a lot of like, oh.
[2:22:21] Speaker 21: Ideas about how terrible evangelicals can be when they take
[2:22:24] Speaker 21: spirits and Hell and heaven like so seriously, so I
[2:22:28] Speaker 21: inherently well, no, I mean don't you don't you inherently
[2:22:33] Speaker 21: you're you're obviously someone who's still like trying to seek
[2:22:36] Speaker 21: truth and there's a story there and there's a desire
[2:22:40] Speaker 21: to So when you talk about.
[2:22:45] Speaker 1: We're just going to do that, we're not doing anymore
[2:22:46] Speaker 1: of this.
[2:22:48] Speaker 3: I can't wait. I have to say that she came
[2:22:51] Speaker 3: up here to talk about how the men were air
[2:22:53] Speaker 3: again with so much airrogance.
[2:22:56] Speaker 1: I I don't want to tell you, like y'all Dan
[2:23:04] Speaker 1: task like if if you need to see a professional
[2:23:07] Speaker 1: and get a prescription for like a Riddlin or adderall,
[2:23:10] Speaker 1: go do it. There's nothing wrong with it. But my goodness,
[2:23:15] Speaker 1: walking around untreated is dangerous, is crazy. I need to
[2:23:21] Speaker 1: get a prescription for for adderall to fix my ADHD.
[2:23:24] Speaker 1: I've never done it, and I'm not joking. I really do.
[2:23:30] Speaker 3: I'm very very very very bad ADHD.
[2:23:36] Speaker 1: Right, I mean it is what it is. Uh, let
[2:23:38] Speaker 1: me grab a couple super chest friends. We'll get our
[2:23:40] Speaker 1: next guest in here. Dre Goon, thank you for the
[2:23:42] Speaker 1: ten dollars Superchest says. Had to go to church with
[2:23:44] Speaker 1: my parents a few weeks back. They didn't know I'm
[2:23:47] Speaker 1: an atheist. Felt so gross being in that building. Got
[2:23:51] Speaker 1: out as fast as I could. Here is Doug's Tides
[2:23:54] Speaker 1: Rock cards for Doug and gay for Justin Well, Hell yeah, dragoon.
[2:23:57] Speaker 1: And it is weird going into a church as an atheist.
[2:23:59] Speaker 1: I'm kind of used to it because I spent so
[2:24:01] Speaker 1: much time there and like I guess I'm just used
[2:24:04] Speaker 1: to it, Like it doesn't bother me, but like I
[2:24:07] Speaker 1: get why it would for some people. It does remind
[2:24:10] Speaker 1: me though, Like remember in the office where what was
[2:24:15] Speaker 1: the name of the hr rep that that's always getting
[2:24:18] Speaker 1: abused shit, I forget his name. He was an ex
[2:24:21] Speaker 1: seminary drop out. He dropped out, Toby. Yeah, I remember
[2:24:25] Speaker 1: towards like one of the last seasons, there's a wedding
[2:24:27] Speaker 1: and he like he can't bring himself to go into
[2:24:29] Speaker 1: the church to go to the wedding. He can't like
[2:24:32] Speaker 1: face it. I feel like there's a lot of people
[2:24:36] Speaker 1: that are in that camp, and I really do feel bad.
[2:24:39] Speaker 1: Luckily for me, I had good experiences in the church,
[2:24:42] Speaker 1: but doesn't really bother me. Does it feel weird, Yeah,
[2:24:45] Speaker 1: because I feel like I'm kind of pretending while I'm there,
[2:24:48] Speaker 1: But I typically don't really pretend, Like I don't sing
[2:24:50] Speaker 1: the songs. I just sit down and read the Bible.
[2:24:54] Speaker 3: I'd be afraid I would laugh. I'm not joking. I
[2:24:57] Speaker 3: think that if I heard a pastor say something just
[2:25:00] Speaker 3: out of pocket, I might start cracking up laughing or something. Well,
[2:25:05] Speaker 3: he's being serious, I'm over here laughing. You know, I
[2:25:08] Speaker 3: don't know.
[2:25:09] Speaker 1: I don't think I would pay money for that. I
[2:25:11] Speaker 1: would pay money to go to church service and hear
[2:25:13] Speaker 1: Crystal crack out laughing in the middle of a sermon
[2:25:16] Speaker 1: or a prayer. That would make my day. Uh, Ghost
[2:25:22] Speaker 1: of Cody, thank you for the suredoux, since but a
[2:25:24] Speaker 1: month ago I got rear ended and told in my
[2:25:26] Speaker 1: car in front of a church while waiting for a
[2:25:28] Speaker 1: ride to the er. The pastor came out and handed
[2:25:30] Speaker 1: me a flyer to attend. Do these people have no shame? Ghost,
[2:25:34] Speaker 1: They fucking don't zero shame. What he should have done
[2:25:38] Speaker 1: is come out and give you some food, maybe a blanket,
[2:25:40] Speaker 1: make sure you're warm, maybe a drink, make sure you're okay.
[2:25:43] Speaker 1: They're definitely ignoring Jesus's words about doing to the least
[2:25:47] Speaker 1: of these. They just want you to come into that
[2:25:49] Speaker 1: church and give you a tenth of your pre tax income.
[2:25:52] Speaker 1: And Carlos, thank you for sending out ten dzy to
[2:25:56] Speaker 1: make gifted memberships. That is huge, my friend. I reallyppreciate that.
[2:26:02] Speaker 1: And Kyle, thank you for the time that I was supertest.
[2:26:03] Speaker 1: Sometimes the progressive Christians are the least honest. I know
[2:26:07] Speaker 1: that is the case. They need to stretch the Bible
[2:26:09] Speaker 1: so thin it loses all meaning. At least fundamentalism is
[2:26:14] Speaker 1: honest to the book. This is my take, to be honest.
[2:26:16] Speaker 1: This is why not fundamentalist. This is why liberal Christianity
[2:26:21] Speaker 1: will never succeed because you have to stretch the Bible
[2:26:23] Speaker 1: so thin to be a liberal Christian that the Bible
[2:26:26] Speaker 1: is no longer relevant. It's no longer important anymore. If
[2:26:31] Speaker 1: it doesn't function as a the literal word of God,
[2:26:35] Speaker 1: it no longer has any function in your life as
[2:26:37] Speaker 1: a Christian. Okay, bus, most of it's time to get
[2:26:41] Speaker 1: our next guest into the box. I don't know who
[2:26:44] Speaker 1: is in here because most of the Q has turned over.
[2:26:47] Speaker 1: So I'm gonna gets Das, CTS and then uh hieronymous
[2:26:56] Speaker 1: after that.
[2:27:02] Speaker 4: Hey, guys, look a.
[2:27:03] Speaker 20: Man, Das.
[2:27:04] Speaker 1: Are you at least eighteen and do you believe in gotten?
[2:27:08] Speaker 4: I am fifty. I don't believe in God.
[2:27:11] Speaker 2: Don't kick me out yet. I just want to ask
[2:27:14] Speaker 2: both you. Crystal, well too late.
[2:27:18] Speaker 1: We are going to move on. Thanks for being an atheist,
[2:27:22] Speaker 1: but we're not doing a Q and A today. We
[2:27:26] Speaker 1: are in fact doing debates today. Crystal, did I did
[2:27:29] Speaker 1: I miss label one of the live streams that I
[2:27:31] Speaker 1: mislabeled as A Q and A?
[2:27:34] Speaker 3: No, And I don't think it says DCONM Q and
[2:27:36] Speaker 3: A with Crystal j up there. I do think that's
[2:27:39] Speaker 3: what that says.
[2:27:40] Speaker 1: Although I would love to do that. We got to
[2:27:41] Speaker 1: get that hooked up again, Jordan says, Justin, you have
[2:27:44] Speaker 1: so much patience. I couldn't have taken the yapping for
[2:27:47] Speaker 1: that long.
[2:27:47] Speaker 2: Props.
[2:27:48] Speaker 1: Well, thank you, Jordan. Sometimes I have patients, sometimes they don't.
[2:27:50] Speaker 1: But you know what, I was curious. I was genuinely
[2:27:55] Speaker 1: curious to know, if I don't interrupt her, how long
[2:27:58] Speaker 1: SHO go? Like I really want to know? But at
[2:28:01] Speaker 1: some point I realized that that wouldn't be good for
[2:28:04] Speaker 1: audience retention, so I had to cut her off eventually.
[2:28:06] Speaker 1: But I would if there was no audience here watching,
[2:28:09] Speaker 1: I would literally tim her just to find out how
[2:28:11] Speaker 1: long they can go without taking a breath and coming
[2:28:14] Speaker 1: back to reality. Be fun time.
[2:28:18] Speaker 3: Justin, have you ever seen me cuss somebody outlive yet?
[2:28:23] Speaker 3: Have you had the pleasure?
[2:28:24] Speaker 16: No?
[2:28:24] Speaker 1: But I want to.
[2:28:25] Speaker 3: Oh okay. So the people call that personality dark Crystal,
[2:28:32] Speaker 3: and they were hoping that I was going to do that.
[2:28:34] Speaker 3: I said, see, I don't do that with Justine. You're
[2:28:38] Speaker 3: probably not gonna see that. You guys, that's not gonna happen.
[2:28:41] Speaker 3: I just sit back and listen to Justin Cook. He
[2:28:45] Speaker 3: he doesn't need dark Crystal.
[2:28:48] Speaker 1: I would love to see some dark Crystal sometime. We'll up,
[2:28:51] Speaker 1: we'll make it happen. But Crystal's so sweet, you know,
[2:28:55] Speaker 1: hard to believe she's got a dark side. We'll see though. Uh,
[2:28:59] Speaker 1: let me at the next one in then, since we
[2:29:02] Speaker 1: lost our guests that we're going to bring in, so
[2:29:04] Speaker 1: I guess we're going to bring in S S.
[2:29:08] Speaker 12: S S.
[2:29:09] Speaker 1: Welcome in. Are you at least eighteen? And do you
[2:29:11] Speaker 1: believe in God?
[2:29:14] Speaker 5: Yes?
[2:29:15] Speaker 13: I am eighteen. I'm not twenty of forty.
[2:29:19] Speaker 3: Sorry?
[2:29:19] Speaker 1: Sure? And which god do you believe in?
[2:29:23] Speaker 13: I believe in Hinduism?
[2:29:25] Speaker 1: Oh? Interesting? This should be fun.
[2:29:28] Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, because it is complicated for me. God is
[2:29:34] Speaker 13: neither good nor bad, so is what he is?
[2:29:40] Speaker 1: To be sure, though, you believe in multiple gods, right, yes,
[2:29:44] Speaker 1: And the definition of God is also very and at
[2:29:48] Speaker 1: times I can be atheist and at times I'm Hindu. Right,
[2:29:53] Speaker 1: I know that this is I think this is kind
[2:29:56] Speaker 1: of the difficult part is we actually might find a
[2:29:58] Speaker 1: bunch of stuff that we agree on some and to
[2:30:01] Speaker 1: make sure we find the stuff that we disagree on
[2:30:03] Speaker 1: so that it's it's a meaningful conversation. So let's I
[2:30:07] Speaker 1: think it's safe to assume. Then you believe that there
[2:30:10] Speaker 1: are multiple gods and maybe some of them are good
[2:30:12] Speaker 1: and some of them aren't good, or do you think
[2:30:16] Speaker 1: all of the gods are good?
[2:30:19] Speaker 13: It is not about the God, like I believe everything
[2:30:24] Speaker 13: is God.
[2:30:26] Speaker 1: Oh, fuctually you're a pantheist.
[2:30:29] Speaker 13: Everything like, But if you are looking for a true God,
[2:30:34] Speaker 13: I believe it is Space is the true God. Like
[2:30:42] Speaker 13: that is the only one thing that cannot be explained.
[2:30:47] Speaker 1: Do you think do you think space is sentient?
[2:30:52] Speaker 13: Space is the actual God? Like without space, nothing exists.
[2:30:59] Speaker 1: The definition of God is like necessarily some sort of
[2:31:02] Speaker 1: sentient agent. Do you think space is sentient?
[2:31:06] Speaker 11: Uh?
[2:31:07] Speaker 13: I don't believe it is about the sense sentientest that
[2:31:12] Speaker 13: dictates what the God is it is to me, God
[2:31:18] Speaker 13: is whatever like we can learn from or we can
[2:31:23] Speaker 13: live in.
[2:31:26] Speaker 1: Well, we're just not using the same definition of God.
[2:31:28] Speaker 1: Then when I say God, I'm referring to like a
[2:31:30] Speaker 1: being or multiple beings even that are like responsible for
[2:31:35] Speaker 1: creating you know this show. Yes, if you don't believe
[2:31:39] Speaker 1: in that, then then we don't. I don't know if
[2:31:42] Speaker 1: we have anywhere we can go with this, because that
[2:31:44] Speaker 1: just means you you don't really believe in God.
[2:31:47] Speaker 13: Yes, technically I don't believe in God, but at the
[2:31:51] Speaker 13: end time, I do believe in God.
[2:31:57] Speaker 11: Like that.
[2:31:58] Speaker 13: I like you, like I regularly watched the construction.
[2:32:02] Speaker 1: I appreciate that listens as it sounds like you don't
[2:32:05] Speaker 1: believe in the definition of God that I'm talking about.
[2:32:07] Speaker 1: I'm talking about a God that is not everything. It's
[2:32:10] Speaker 1: specifically a sentient agent that has like causes and effects
[2:32:15] Speaker 1: and things like that. So unfortunately, I don't think we
[2:32:17] Speaker 1: can debate. But hey, thanks for coming by and uh
[2:32:21] Speaker 1: being at least nice and interesting. See, yeah, here's friend.
[2:32:31] Speaker 1: That's a shame. I do like talking to Hindus because
[2:32:33] Speaker 1: they're at least different, Like they're at least bringing something
[2:32:35] Speaker 1: different to the table. That we haven't heard before. But
[2:32:38] Speaker 1: it sounds like he's not a true Hindu. He's kind
[2:32:41] Speaker 1: of like a hind Wu.
[2:32:47] Speaker 17: Right, that's mean.
[2:32:51] Speaker 1: Perfect Vishnu is gonna smite me for that one.
[2:32:55] Speaker 3: Oh no, dunk Vishn upset with.
[2:32:58] Speaker 1: You would not want that, Glitter Locke, thank you for
[2:33:02] Speaker 1: sending out five deconstructions of memberships. I really appreciate that.
[2:33:05] Speaker 1: And Jessica says, I cannot recommend getting a diagnosis in
[2:33:09] Speaker 1: prescription for ADHD highly enough. It improved my life five
[2:33:13] Speaker 1: hundred percent. It does, actually, it really does. So like
[2:33:17] Speaker 1: I joke about being ADHD, I'm really more add than ADHD.
[2:33:20] Speaker 1: I don't have hyperactivity. I do have high energy, not
[2:33:23] Speaker 1: because I actually have the hyperactivity part. It's because well
[2:33:28] Speaker 1: I'm just naturally high energy. That's my biological makeup.
[2:33:32] Speaker 4: But I'm not.
[2:33:33] Speaker 1: I wouldn't classify myself as hyper hyperactivity is typically. I
[2:33:37] Speaker 1: would classify it as like uncontrollable energy. And I feel
[2:33:41] Speaker 1: like I can control my energy when I need to.
[2:33:44] Speaker 1: But yeah, get medicated if you need medicated. Friends, Design
[2:33:47] Speaker 1: says watching the religious Pretzels helps me. Untie indeed, I
[2:33:51] Speaker 1: like I like the way you put that though that's
[2:33:53] Speaker 1: really good and still a tax is. There's a Scandinavian
[2:33:56] Speaker 1: horror movie coming out called Crack in this is off
[2:33:59] Speaker 1: the charts. I cannot believe they're going to make a
[2:34:01] Speaker 1: movie about crack. And finally I'll watch.
[2:34:04] Speaker 3: That in the in the discord and get a big
[2:34:08] Speaker 3: bottle of crack and on and I'll go watch that.
[2:34:12] Speaker 1: Yes exactly, Brett says, we need context because it could
[2:34:16] Speaker 1: be the good kind of slavery. Of course, that's what
[2:34:18] Speaker 1: it is. I wish I had the right, Yeah, I need.
[2:34:23] Speaker 1: I need to talk to Joel about getting the right
[2:34:25] Speaker 1: to pay him money to play his songs. I would
[2:34:28] Speaker 1: gladly pay him money to play.
[2:34:29] Speaker 3: His plug him real quick.
[2:34:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[2:34:32] Speaker 3: He has just released all of his songs on Spotify
[2:34:35] Speaker 3: and everything, you know, wherever you get your music. Joel
[2:34:41] Speaker 3: has released all of those wonderful songs that we love.
[2:34:44] Speaker 3: They're called Christianese, so check those out.
[2:34:48] Speaker 1: Absolutely, we love Joel. Missing John and Tittle says I've
[2:34:52] Speaker 1: always wondered, doesn't it seem more like Jesus never clinically died?
[2:34:56] Speaker 1: And doesn't it seem more like Satan corrupt the Bible? Yes? Yes,
[2:35:00] Speaker 1: a rock card for Doug gab for Justin Gay for
[2:35:02] Speaker 1: Crystal J. I do agree, so like we we have
[2:35:08] Speaker 1: instances of that happening. Al Sistis. There's a young woman
[2:35:11] Speaker 1: named al Sistis who supposedly died, was placed in a tomb,
[2:35:15] Speaker 1: and then when when her lover went to go find
[2:35:19] Speaker 1: the body was missing, and it turned out she wasn't
[2:35:21] Speaker 1: fully dead, and grave robbers came to rob the grave
[2:35:26] Speaker 1: and found her alive and then decided to kidnap her
[2:35:29] Speaker 1: and sell her as a slave. Then that was more
[2:35:31] Speaker 1: valuable than what she was buried with. But the reality
[2:35:34] Speaker 1: is it's much more likely that Jesus was never dead
[2:35:37] Speaker 1: in the first place. He was not even up on
[2:35:39] Speaker 1: the cross for a full fucking day. If he was
[2:35:42] Speaker 1: placed in a tomb, he was probably still half alive.
[2:35:44] Speaker 1: They just assumed the asshole was dead and then he
[2:35:47] Speaker 1: woke up and walked out of the goddamn tomb. That
[2:35:49] Speaker 1: seems to make the most sense.
[2:35:53] Speaker 13: Right.
[2:35:55] Speaker 1: Dead, Yes, damn, thank you for the fire dollar superdeests.
[2:35:59] Speaker 1: Even Alta I think knows God is not good. According
[2:36:02] Speaker 1: to the word bubble Mark Kitty always rock hard for
[2:36:05] Speaker 1: Doug bud Oh yes, Sam, yeah right, the cats are
[2:36:09] Speaker 1: smarter than the average theist. I will definitely concur Hieronymous
[2:36:14] Speaker 1: is here. It looks like he had to reconnect, but
[2:36:18] Speaker 1: he is back. So let me grab our next guest.
[2:36:22] Speaker 1: Did I pronounce your name correctly? Is it Hieronymous like Hornonymous? Bosh?
[2:36:35] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[2:36:36] Speaker 1: Okay, awesome, So your connections a little bit. I can
[2:36:42] Speaker 1: hear you. Your connections a little bit laggy, so you
[2:36:45] Speaker 1: might want to turn your camera off and try audio only.
[2:36:52] Speaker 12: Okay, let's give that a bash.
[2:36:56] Speaker 1: Okay, it should be a little bit better.
[2:37:03] Speaker 12: Right, Okay, Yes, Now I'm going to irritate you, I think,
[2:37:07] Speaker 12: because I'm an atheist as well. But I have a
[2:37:10] Speaker 12: question for you.
[2:37:13] Speaker 1: Well, you're not gonna irritate me because you're already gone.
[2:37:15] Speaker 1: All right, let's get our next guests in here. We're
[2:37:17] Speaker 1: gonna get cee eighty nine to eleven gts from the
[2:37:22] Speaker 1: TikTok Q. Yeah, he's gone pretty quick.
[2:37:28] Speaker 4: Here.
[2:37:28] Speaker 17: Let me turn down my TV for you.
[2:37:29] Speaker 15: So what doesn't background noise?
[2:37:31] Speaker 1: I apologize for that?
[2:37:32] Speaker 15: Okay, I am here, sir, Yes, I'm over eighteen. Yes,
[2:37:35] Speaker 15: God is real?
[2:37:37] Speaker 1: Fuck they come ready sometimes? Awesome? Yeah, and do you
[2:37:41] Speaker 1: believe that God is good?
[2:37:42] Speaker 4: Though?
[2:37:43] Speaker 1: Because you can believe God is real and not believe
[2:37:45] Speaker 1: that he's good.
[2:37:47] Speaker 15: Yes, God is good. Can I can I do a
[2:37:51] Speaker 15: quick prayer in here, real fast? Like I'm ten seconds?
[2:37:55] Speaker 1: I would love a quick prayer in fact, you pray
[2:37:59] Speaker 1: and I'm gonna go relieve myself. But don't worry. I'm
[2:38:01] Speaker 1: listening to your prayer, I promise.
[2:38:03] Speaker 15: Oh okay, cool, Thank you, thank you, Thank you. Dear Lord,
[2:38:07] Speaker 15: please accept us today in this chat. Please beat off
[2:38:12] Speaker 15: my demons. I would like for you very much to
[2:38:15] Speaker 15: come inside me tonight and you know, fill me up
[2:38:19] Speaker 15: so to speak with your love. Please don't forget to
[2:38:23] Speaker 15: beat off those demons. They really need to get away
[2:38:25] Speaker 15: from me.
[2:38:26] Speaker 3: So do you want me to block you or why
[2:38:29] Speaker 3: would you block?
[2:38:29] Speaker 8: You?
[2:38:29] Speaker 2: Friends with him?
[2:38:31] Speaker 3: What you're friends with him?
[2:38:32] Speaker 22: Well?
[2:38:33] Speaker 3: Yeah, did you come up to troll or did you
[2:38:36] Speaker 3: come up to have a conversation with Jess?
[2:38:38] Speaker 15: I came up to troll mostly because I saw that Okay,
[2:38:41] Speaker 15: he doesn't that right? Him and I have a lot
[2:38:44] Speaker 15: of fun together sometimes, That's why it brings me back up.
[2:38:47] Speaker 4: I'm sorry.
[2:38:48] Speaker 1: If you want to he knew you were going to
[2:38:50] Speaker 1: do that.
[2:38:50] Speaker 3: If he knew you were going to do that that's cool.
[2:38:52] Speaker 1: But he doesn't, you know, like a lot of times
[2:38:54] Speaker 1: he doesn't like you're very strange.
[2:38:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, I am strange.
[2:39:00] Speaker 6: You're very preachy right now.
[2:39:02] Speaker 4: Uh yeah, Okay, it was just a joke. You just
[2:39:04] Speaker 4: because you didn't get it. You didn't get it.
[2:39:06] Speaker 15: No, it's it's fine, you didn't get the joke. No,
[2:39:09] Speaker 15: it's okay, it's okay, it's okay.
[2:39:13] Speaker 1: I don't know see at all. And Crystal is not rude,
[2:39:19] Speaker 1: so you can funk out of here. You're not the
[2:39:21] Speaker 1: type of atheist I want to control my life. Apparently
[2:39:26] Speaker 1: I don't know who that guy is.
[2:39:29] Speaker 15: Like what.
[2:39:32] Speaker 3: Usually I know your trolls because you know, you and
[2:39:34] Speaker 3: I know each other's trolls.
[2:39:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, we know, we know. Your people are my people?
[2:39:46] Speaker 1: Oh well, sied and speaking of which says I absolutely
[2:39:50] Speaker 1: love in afternoon's stream. Thanks well, thank you side for
[2:39:52] Speaker 1: being here for support and I appreciate that. And the
[2:39:56] Speaker 1: zener Thren, thank you for the Picas only time I've
[2:40:00] Speaker 1: been in a church is when I had to attend
[2:40:02] Speaker 1: my dad, dad's mom's funeral in Utah County steakhouse. Oh
[2:40:07] Speaker 1: hell yeah, gross s smells filled with freak Mormons. The
[2:40:10] Speaker 1: colors and lighting not autism friendly, dude. I get that.
[2:40:14] Speaker 1: I get I totally get that. I So like you'll
[2:40:17] Speaker 1: notice outside of Christmas, I don't really wear any shirts
[2:40:21] Speaker 1: with patterns or even decorations. Like all my shirts are
[2:40:25] Speaker 1: like straight black, straight white. And it's because, like I
[2:40:29] Speaker 1: get overwhelmed with visual visual stimula. This is the only
[2:40:34] Speaker 1: time of the year you'll see me in anything that's
[2:40:36] Speaker 1: visually stimulating. If I was watching a live stream and
[2:40:39] Speaker 1: it looked like this, I would turn it off, like
[2:40:42] Speaker 1: I can't handle it visually. So like, I totally get
[2:40:46] Speaker 1: it right, Like there's some people like it's just the
[2:40:48] Speaker 1: way the brain works, Like I gotta, I got there's
[2:40:51] Speaker 1: too much happening. I want, I got to turn it off,
[2:40:52] Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, we're gonna try to uh get abs
[2:41:00] Speaker 1: in here from the TikTok you friends. If you're watching
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[2:41:16] Speaker 1: She's a really good friend of mine. We've been streaming
[2:41:18] Speaker 1: together for at least two years now we've been we've
[2:41:23] Speaker 1: been interacting with each other on YouTube. Right, hey, for
[2:41:27] Speaker 1: in a while on YouTube.
[2:41:29] Speaker 3: Please subscribe to my channel. I am Crystal j ja
[2:41:34] Speaker 3: E all one word. I'm getting close to that one
[2:41:36] Speaker 3: thousand subscribers, so I'd really appreciate it.
[2:41:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, big w. Also, I learned just now that I
[2:41:46] Speaker 1: said this name wrong. It's it's not Michael, it's pronounced Michelle.
[2:41:50] Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, Michelle. I did not mean to get
[2:41:53] Speaker 1: your name wrong. I deeply am sorry that I do it.
[2:41:56] Speaker 1: Sometimes I do that because I'm not used to seeing
[2:41:58] Speaker 1: certain names, But now I know I really appreciate the correction.
[2:42:02] Speaker 1: The rock hard for Doug and gay for Justin and
[2:42:04] Speaker 1: all that jazz, well, thank you. I appreciate that. And
[2:42:07] Speaker 1: also God of the Fabs, amazing name, thank you for
[2:42:10] Speaker 1: the six sixty six is thank you for doing the
[2:42:12] Speaker 1: Lord's work. Rock Hard for Doug. Amazing flannel too, By
[2:42:16] Speaker 1: the way, I do like a good flannel. It's about
[2:42:17] Speaker 1: the only pattern now tolerate is a good flannel. But
[2:42:21] Speaker 1: I mean it's a fucking flannel. Who doesn't want to
[2:42:23] Speaker 1: wear a flannel?
[2:42:23] Speaker 17: The winner?
[2:42:24] Speaker 10: Right?
[2:42:27] Speaker 1: All right, let's get abs from they're finally making more
[2:42:32] Speaker 1: flannels two that are warm, not like the al Borland
[2:42:37] Speaker 1: flannel abs. Wo come in. Are you at least eighteen
[2:42:40] Speaker 1: and do you believe in God?
[2:42:46] Speaker 4: Yeah? I am eighteen and I do believe in God.
[2:42:50] Speaker 1: Sure, I wish God.
[2:42:52] Speaker 4: I'm listening.
[2:42:54] Speaker 1: You're Muslim And do you believe in Karan only?
[2:42:58] Speaker 4: Yes?
[2:42:59] Speaker 1: Okay, So you don't believe the hadith are true?
[2:43:03] Speaker 11: Yes, I believe the hadiths are there to teach you
[2:43:06] Speaker 11: how to live your life, there to help you. But
[2:43:11] Speaker 11: at the end of the day, the Koran is there
[2:43:13] Speaker 11: to give you your full details and everything, so that's
[2:43:19] Speaker 11: where you get all your details from.
[2:43:22] Speaker 1: Sure, but are there any hadiths that are like authentic,
[2:43:25] Speaker 1: meaning I can read it and believe that what it
[2:43:27] Speaker 1: says is true.
[2:43:32] Speaker 11: That's too tough a question because at the end of
[2:43:34] Speaker 11: the day, we went around when they were written, so
[2:43:38] Speaker 11: it's a difficult one to say. But at the end
[2:43:41] Speaker 11: of the day, it's each person to their own beliefs,
[2:43:45] Speaker 11: and that's why I think God is good. God is
[2:43:49] Speaker 11: what you make him. At the end of the day,
[2:43:51] Speaker 11: we have the choice. If we do bad things, we
[2:43:54] Speaker 11: can't say God is bad. That's us doing bad things.
[2:43:57] Speaker 5: I have no idea what you're talking about, but just
[2:44:01] Speaker 5: think you want to do you want to read the
[2:44:02] Speaker 5: first good? It just is like an ab. Do you
[2:44:06] Speaker 5: want to read the first instance? It's just a second.
[2:44:10] Speaker 5: Do you want to read the first instance of my doggate,
[2:44:12] Speaker 5: my homework every recorded?
[2:44:14] Speaker 1: Yes? Please?
[2:44:17] Speaker 5: Socially, we've been measured one nine four four?
[2:44:19] Speaker 1: Oh, say it again, you've been.
[2:44:22] Speaker 5: Measured and asian Ah, that wasn't ninety four four?
[2:44:29] Speaker 19: Em?
[2:44:30] Speaker 1: Hellok, Crystal, how are you the chapters on marriage.
[2:44:36] Speaker 5: It should be pre breastfeeding an adult?
[2:44:40] Speaker 1: So I've got I've been managed m nineteen forty four,
[2:44:47] Speaker 1: nineteen forty four power Okay, I think that's the one
[2:44:52] Speaker 1: I got. Does the verse of stoning and breastfeeding an adult?
[2:44:58] Speaker 1: Ten times? Was revealed? The paper was with me under
[2:45:01] Speaker 1: my pillow when the Messenger of Allah died. We were
[2:45:05] Speaker 1: preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in
[2:45:09] Speaker 1: and ate it. What about that? Literally? A sheep aid,
[2:45:18] Speaker 1: that's good stuff. I do love the hadith. I have
[2:45:21] Speaker 1: a spreadsheet somewhere, Not a spreadsheet, I have a document
[2:45:24] Speaker 1: somewhere with some of my favorite hadiths. I have to
[2:45:27] Speaker 1: add them to our cheat sheet.
[2:45:29] Speaker 5: And this is theologically significant is because this is the
[2:45:34] Speaker 5: reason why the bruce of stony and the bruce of
[2:45:36] Speaker 5: briastfeeding an adult is because it was eating.
[2:45:41] Speaker 1: So the breastfeeding and stoning verses missed were missed from
[2:45:45] Speaker 1: the Koran because after they were written down, a sheep
[2:45:49] Speaker 1: ate them. That's crazy, pretty wild.
[2:45:55] Speaker 22: I like that.
[2:45:59] Speaker 1: So let's talk a little bit about now that we
[2:46:01] Speaker 1: got MS. I think it'd be a really good time
[2:46:02] Speaker 1: to bring up like heaven and Hell, because I listen,
[2:46:07] Speaker 1: I'm still a Koran novice. I'm on book or chapter
[2:46:10] Speaker 1: number four. But the one thing I've noticed is that,
[2:46:14] Speaker 1: over and over and over again, literally repeated like every
[2:46:17] Speaker 1: damn page, the prophet is saying that people who don't
[2:46:23] Speaker 1: believe in your God, the disbelievers, go to eternal conscious torment.
[2:46:28] Speaker 11: Why is that the case, Because that's the religion in it.
[2:46:35] Speaker 11: You've got to follow the religion the religion religion is saying.
[2:46:40] Speaker 1: I know it says it, But if I started a
[2:46:44] Speaker 1: religion and I said everybody with red cars in their
[2:46:47] Speaker 1: profile picture go to hell, that'd be good or bad. Well,
[2:46:56] Speaker 1: but that's the religion, Okay, Okay, So whether it's a
[2:46:59] Speaker 1: religion or now we can determine whether or not we
[2:47:01] Speaker 1: think something is good or bad. Right, So, but the
[2:47:04] Speaker 1: thing that I'm trying to figure out is why in
[2:47:06] Speaker 1: Christianity and also in the Quran, why people who simply
[2:47:10] Speaker 1: don't believe something should be tortured for eternity. And while
[2:47:14] Speaker 1: while you're answering that, I'm gonna go grab my Kuran, I.
[2:47:19] Speaker 11: Think you're right. At the end of the day, I
[2:47:23] Speaker 11: think you've got a very good point there. You shouldn't
[2:47:25] Speaker 11: be tortured if you've lived a good life, and that
[2:47:30] Speaker 11: the Quran does say God is forgiving.
[2:47:34] Speaker 5: No no, no, no. It seems that good forgives them
[2:47:38] Speaker 5: sings except not believing in.
[2:47:40] Speaker 11: You don't know which one of your your good deeds
[2:47:43] Speaker 11: will take you. No no, no, no no no no
[2:47:45] Speaker 11: no no.
[2:47:53] Speaker 5: No no no, according to all of the good scenes.
[2:47:58] Speaker 5: Let me tell me what it was going to say.
[2:48:00] Speaker 5: Go ahead, I was going to say, And what was
[2:48:04] Speaker 5: I going to say? You said I'm wrong? So what
[2:48:05] Speaker 5: was I going to say?
[2:48:07] Speaker 11: No, I was saying what you're wrong about? What you're saying?
[2:48:10] Speaker 5: What you And what was I going to say that.
[2:48:13] Speaker 11: What you were saying before?
[2:48:14] Speaker 5: And what was I saying.
[2:48:16] Speaker 11: You were saying that basically what I was saying was wrong,
[2:48:20] Speaker 11: that you can make as many sins as you want
[2:48:23] Speaker 11: and you're sorry. You only can be good to get
[2:48:27] Speaker 11: into heaven, or you're bad and you go to hell, which.
[2:48:30] Speaker 5: Is according to one of the good deeds of the
[2:48:33] Speaker 5: people who don't believe is useless.
[2:48:36] Speaker 11: Well, of course, because that's the whole point of the beliefs.
[2:48:39] Speaker 5: Sure, then you could do everything good in your life,
[2:48:42] Speaker 5: and if you don't believe in all of your good
[2:48:44] Speaker 5: deeds are useless.
[2:48:46] Speaker 11: Well of course, because at the end of the day,
[2:48:49] Speaker 11: you're not believing in the religion.
[2:48:50] Speaker 5: And it is making that it is making your claim wrong.
[2:48:52] Speaker 11: At the end of the day, if you don't believe
[2:48:54] Speaker 11: in the religion and you don't believe in a last word,
[2:48:58] Speaker 11: how can you how can you then expect to go
[2:49:01] Speaker 11: to heaven?
[2:49:03] Speaker 21: Right?
[2:49:03] Speaker 1: So to be sure, Abs, I didn't ask you about heaven.
[2:49:09] Speaker 1: I ask you, why do people who not believe in something?
[2:49:12] Speaker 1: Why is it required for them to go to hell?
[2:49:13] Speaker 1: So I mean in in three one sixteen because as
[2:49:17] Speaker 1: for those who disbelieve, neither their possessions nor their children
[2:49:20] Speaker 1: will help them against God. They will be companions in
[2:49:23] Speaker 1: the fire, and there remain and it says this over
[2:49:26] Speaker 1: and over again, just like this. If you don't believe
[2:49:30] Speaker 1: in this goofball of a god, that means I suffer
[2:49:33] Speaker 1: forever in hell fire?
[2:49:34] Speaker 17: Right of course?
[2:49:37] Speaker 1: Okay, Why is not believing something a crime worthy of torture?
[2:49:44] Speaker 11: Because that's the religion.
[2:49:46] Speaker 1: That's what I didn't ask you about what the religion teaches.
[2:49:49] Speaker 1: I'm asking you to use your brain for a second,
[2:49:52] Speaker 1: your thinking faculties, I know you have them. Why is
[2:49:56] Speaker 1: it a crime worthy of torture to not be con
[2:50:00] Speaker 1: instead of something?
[2:50:05] Speaker 11: Because you won't follow all of it, all of what's
[2:50:09] Speaker 11: supposed to be followed, then.
[2:50:10] Speaker 1: Well you won't either, you won't. You won't for the believers.
[2:50:14] Speaker 1: The believers don't follow a lot.
[2:50:17] Speaker 11: They said, no, no one is that pious apart from
[2:50:26] Speaker 11: the prophet upon you that they will get, you know,
[2:50:31] Speaker 11: not saying everyone sins, including the prophet.
[2:50:36] Speaker 4: No doubt the.
[2:50:37] Speaker 11: Prophet was pious. We all know the prophet. You can't
[2:50:42] Speaker 11: you can't turn around and say he's sinful and this,
[2:50:45] Speaker 11: that and the other. He was the one who brought
[2:50:48] Speaker 11: the religion to us.
[2:50:49] Speaker 5: Yeah, sorry, they does the fact that he sinned. What
[2:50:57] Speaker 5: sins did he do insulting people? When increasing them insulting people?
[2:51:04] Speaker 11: Where where do you get that from?
[2:51:06] Speaker 6: From the.
[2:51:09] Speaker 11: Example?
[2:51:11] Speaker 5: Sure, I can give you one. There was one time
[2:51:13] Speaker 5: a try it came to the prophet and then he
[2:51:14] Speaker 5: christ him and put told that he would never grow
[2:51:16] Speaker 5: old and that he would die soon. And then the
[2:51:19] Speaker 5: prophet told them that, well it is my bed. So
[2:51:22] Speaker 5: I sometimes get angry, and if I get angry and
[2:51:24] Speaker 5: insult somebody when they do not deserve it, then good
[2:51:27] Speaker 5: is going to make them make my insult, my insulting
[2:51:29] Speaker 5: statement of forgiveness for them.
[2:51:31] Speaker 1: That, sahimas what you said.
[2:51:33] Speaker 5: Probably I'll give you the difference unless you have it.
[2:51:39] Speaker 1: I think I have.
[2:51:40] Speaker 11: Basically what you said is there was a Christian person
[2:51:44] Speaker 11: who said that they won't believe and then they're going
[2:51:48] Speaker 11: to live for the rest of their life. Is that
[2:51:49] Speaker 11: what you said?
[2:51:51] Speaker 4: You know?
[2:51:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, here it is. It's gotta be Sahimus And twenty
[2:51:56] Speaker 1: six or three it says he said to her, um Salim,
[2:52:02] Speaker 1: what is the matter with you? She said, alaw is
[2:52:04] Speaker 1: of possible you invoke a curse upon my orphan girl.
[2:52:08] Speaker 1: He said, um Salem, what is that? She said? She
[2:52:12] Speaker 1: the orphan girl states that you have cursed her, saying
[2:52:14] Speaker 1: that she might not grow in age or grow in life.
[2:52:17] Speaker 1: Allows Messenger smiled and said, um Salim, you don't know
[2:52:22] Speaker 1: that I have made this term with my lord. That
[2:52:25] Speaker 1: the term with my Lord is that I said to him,
[2:52:27] Speaker 1: I am a human being, and I am pleased, just
[2:52:30] Speaker 1: as a human being is pleased, and I lose my
[2:52:34] Speaker 1: temper just as a human being loses temper.
[2:52:40] Speaker 11: The prophet was a human being. Though he's not saying
[2:52:44] Speaker 11: he's God, is he.
[2:52:45] Speaker 4: He's not saying.
[2:52:48] Speaker 11: He's infallible. Yes, he must have made mistakes. He made
[2:52:52] Speaker 11: miss he sinned before he bought all the religion to
[2:52:57] Speaker 11: the world. He was learning. He was learning at the
[2:53:01] Speaker 11: time as well, So you've got to take that into account.
[2:53:05] Speaker 11: He was an uneducated person who couldn't read and.
[2:53:08] Speaker 4: Write, and to.
[2:53:12] Speaker 5: What we said, what does that have to do with
[2:53:15] Speaker 5: anything we said?
[2:53:17] Speaker 11: I was just going to explain it if you, if
[2:53:19] Speaker 11: you give me a chance, an uneducated person who can't
[2:53:23] Speaker 11: read and write to bring out a book as perfect
[2:53:27] Speaker 11: as he brought out.
[2:53:28] Speaker 5: And who do you know? It's perfect? But I just
[2:53:34] Speaker 5: think could you bring up before he live into talk?
[2:53:37] Speaker 7: Yeah?
[2:53:37] Speaker 1: Sorry, one second to paste the link in my acheat
[2:53:40] Speaker 1: sheet for this all right? Sorry, what we're born up
[2:53:43] Speaker 1: before he live into talk.
[2:53:44] Speaker 5: So this this perfect book has marve mistakes.
[2:53:51] Speaker 4: At the end of the day.
[2:53:53] Speaker 5: You want to see good ready? Do you want to
[2:53:58] Speaker 5: see God making myth mistake?
[2:54:01] Speaker 4: Sorry?
[2:54:02] Speaker 5: You want to see God making a mith mistake?
[2:54:06] Speaker 11: What mistake does God make?
[2:54:08] Speaker 5: But this is an example? Could you could you read
[2:54:12] Speaker 5: the could you read his book? Could we read his book?
[2:54:19] Speaker 5: Could you read the suggesting?
[2:54:21] Speaker 17: Yeah?
[2:54:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, it says all the commands you regarding your children.
[2:54:24] Speaker 1: The share of the male will be twice that of
[2:54:28] Speaker 1: the female. If you'll leave only two or more females,
[2:54:32] Speaker 1: their share is two thirds of the estate. But if
[2:54:36] Speaker 1: there's only one female, her share is to be one half.
[2:54:40] Speaker 1: Each parent is entitled to one sixth if you leave offspring.
[2:54:46] Speaker 1: Do you want to read the whole thing?
[2:54:49] Speaker 11: That's that's the way that you just.
[2:54:54] Speaker 5: A second.
[2:54:55] Speaker 1: But if you're childless and your parents are the only heirs,
[2:54:59] Speaker 1: then your mother will receive one third. But if you
[2:55:02] Speaker 1: leave siblings, then your mother shall receive one six After
[2:55:06] Speaker 1: the fulfillment of bequests and debts, be fair to your
[2:55:11] Speaker 1: parents and children as you do not fully know who
[2:55:14] Speaker 1: is more beneficial than you? And then the next one, Oh, yeah,
[2:55:23] Speaker 1: you will inherit half of what your wives leave if
[2:55:26] Speaker 1: they are childless. But if they have children, then your
[2:55:30] Speaker 1: share is one fourth of the estate. Oh interesting, after
[2:55:33] Speaker 1: the fulfillment of bequests and debts.
[2:55:38] Speaker 5: And your wives will inherit one one fourth of what
[2:55:42] Speaker 5: you leave. Sure if you're a child a childless, but
[2:55:45] Speaker 5: if you have children, your wives will receive one eighth. No,
[2:55:47] Speaker 5: could you pet?
[2:55:50] Speaker 10: Yes?
[2:55:52] Speaker 1: Absolutely? In fact, I got a note pattern.
[2:55:55] Speaker 5: Let me put it on the who has of a
[2:55:58] Speaker 5: man who has two daughters, a wife and two two parents.
[2:56:04] Speaker 5: Could you do the math?
[2:56:07] Speaker 4: Alright? What was again?
[2:56:08] Speaker 5: It was a what get two daughters and then two
[2:56:12] Speaker 5: parents alive? And one wife?
[2:56:17] Speaker 1: Two daughters, two parents.
[2:56:21] Speaker 11: Two parents? Sorry, and then one wife?
[2:56:25] Speaker 3: I got that?
[2:56:26] Speaker 13: Who's what is it?
[2:56:28] Speaker 5: It doesn't matter?
[2:56:29] Speaker 1: Just anyway, all right, So we've got two daughters, two parents,
[2:56:37] Speaker 1: and one wife.
[2:56:39] Speaker 5: Could you use the voice to do the myth?
[2:56:42] Speaker 1: I'm sure I could. Okay, do in if you have children,
[2:56:46] Speaker 1: then your wives will receive one eighth of the estate,
[2:56:50] Speaker 1: which means this one wife is going to receive one eighth.
[2:56:58] Speaker 11: And then it said.
[2:57:01] Speaker 1: You will inherit half of what your wives leave if
[2:57:04] Speaker 1: they are childless. But if they have children, your share
[2:57:07] Speaker 1: is one fourth.
[2:57:08] Speaker 4: Of the state.
[2:57:09] Speaker 1: So when it says your is it who's it referring to?
[2:57:13] Speaker 5: They see that again when it says.
[2:57:15] Speaker 1: Your share is one fourth of the estate, who's the your.
[2:57:18] Speaker 5: And this is this is your inheritance of your wives.
[2:57:22] Speaker 1: Oh, this is talking to a man.
[2:57:25] Speaker 5: Okay, first number living and then we the if you
[2:57:28] Speaker 5: have two daughters, it should be page of state.
[2:57:33] Speaker 4: Right.
[2:57:33] Speaker 1: So it says if you have two daughters all at
[2:57:35] Speaker 1: one second does if you leave only two or more females,
[2:57:44] Speaker 1: their share is two thirds of the estate, which means
[2:57:49] Speaker 1: the two daughters would they would both get two thirds
[2:57:56] Speaker 1: into okay, two thirds total. Okay, so if they have
[2:58:02] Speaker 1: two daughters they get two thirds total. If there's a wife,
[2:58:07] Speaker 1: they get one eighth, which means we still have to
[2:58:11] Speaker 1: deal with the parents, which whatever the parents are gonna get,
[2:58:15] Speaker 1: I guarantee it's gonna be more than one hundred percent. Right,
[2:58:19] Speaker 1: So for the parents, let's see siblings. To be fair
[2:58:25] Speaker 1: to your parents and children, as you do not fully
[2:58:28] Speaker 1: know what is more beneficial to you. Oh than I
[2:58:30] Speaker 1: missed the parent part. Let me do a control f
[2:58:33] Speaker 1: two parents. Each parent is entitled to one six if
[2:58:38] Speaker 1: you leave offspring, and there are offspring here, so each
[2:58:44] Speaker 1: one of the parents, which seems to be two of them,
[2:58:47] Speaker 1: are going to receive one six six yep, so I
[2:58:53] Speaker 1: say two six or yeah, you're right, one third if
[2:58:56] Speaker 1: you reduce.
[2:58:57] Speaker 5: It, we've got one third and two thirds in one eighth.
[2:59:03] Speaker 1: Two third means we're we're one eighth over. We've got
[2:59:08] Speaker 1: we've got one eighth more inheritance than uh the perfect book.
[2:59:13] Speaker 1: Then what allowed in the perfect book? This is amazing.
[2:59:19] Speaker 1: I never did this math on this passage.
[2:59:22] Speaker 5: And you could, like Mae Katy, multiple different like scenarios,
[2:59:26] Speaker 5: and most of the scenarios come up to since.
[2:59:29] Speaker 11: That that whole situation doesn't make any sense in the physically,
[2:59:34] Speaker 11: where does the wife turn up from. You've got two daughters,
[2:59:38] Speaker 11: you've got two parents, the wife, but the wife whose
[2:59:43] Speaker 11: wife is she? She's only entitled to something if she's
[2:59:47] Speaker 11: somebody's wife.
[2:59:50] Speaker 5: Wif sorry, they did guy's wife and the mother did
[2:59:53] Speaker 5: two daughters.
[2:59:55] Speaker 11: The wife is the mother, so then obviously they would
[2:59:59] Speaker 11: have an eighth down.
[3:00:00] Speaker 20: Below, so they wouldn't be they would be that it says,
[3:00:06] Speaker 20: and if you have children, you've off with the two
[3:00:11] Speaker 20: parents and your and.
[3:00:13] Speaker 5: God still says, and God still says that an eight
[3:00:16] Speaker 5: is given to the wife, which wouldn't make sense.
[3:00:19] Speaker 11: No, but you're not listening. Hold on the second, and
[3:00:22] Speaker 11: you said two parents, two daughters, and a wife. But
[3:00:26] Speaker 11: the two parents you're saying the husband's the husband's wife
[3:00:30] Speaker 11: is the wife, so she's entited to one six as
[3:00:34] Speaker 11: a parent.
[3:00:35] Speaker 2: So no, no, no, no, no, no.
[3:00:39] Speaker 11: Extra wife.
[3:00:40] Speaker 5: You confused?
[3:00:41] Speaker 11: Married?
[3:00:42] Speaker 5: You confuse upon which upon who's dead? The person who
[3:00:46] Speaker 5: died is the guy himself, and he has two parents,
[3:00:49] Speaker 5: and he has a wife, and from his wife he
[3:00:51] Speaker 5: has two children. So if the guy dies he said
[3:00:52] Speaker 5: he has two parents and has a wife and two daughters,
[3:00:55] Speaker 5: then he would have to give them inheritance and has
[3:00:58] Speaker 5: three children.
[3:00:59] Speaker 4: There's too.
[3:01:02] Speaker 1: Suggesting the parents became children. That's not how that works.
[3:01:07] Speaker 11: Yeah, it doesn't make any sense what you're saying, because
[3:01:12] Speaker 11: how can you how can you have two parents, two
[3:01:15] Speaker 11: daughters and then a wife as well, unless the father's
[3:01:18] Speaker 11: got married twice.
[3:01:20] Speaker 1: I mean to be sure, to be sure if if
[3:01:24] Speaker 1: you die, you can leave behind children, a widow and
[3:01:30] Speaker 1: your parents. This is a common occurrence when people die,
[3:01:36] Speaker 1: and this is the situation that's being painted here. If
[3:01:39] Speaker 1: a man dies and he has a wife, and he
[3:01:42] Speaker 1: has two daughters, and also both of his parents, this
[3:01:46] Speaker 1: is how the inheritance gets split up or how the
[3:01:49] Speaker 1: estate gets put up.
[3:01:51] Speaker 11: We're talking about his parents, Okay, then not as in law.
[3:01:58] Speaker 11: Sorry my mistake. I thought you were talking about the
[3:02:02] Speaker 11: two daughters and the husband and the wife. I didn't
[3:02:07] Speaker 11: think you were talking about his parents as well. Obviously
[3:02:10] Speaker 11: that's different. Then then you're saying my parents, what my
[3:02:14] Speaker 11: parents inherited is so basically that the way the Koran
[3:02:20] Speaker 11: splits it up, it splits it.
[3:02:21] Speaker 1: Up, Yeah, more than one hundred percent? Did you see
[3:02:29] Speaker 1: the master?
[3:02:30] Speaker 11: We can't. It can't. Yeah, I understand what you're saying,
[3:02:32] Speaker 11: but it can't. It can't always be more than one
[3:02:34] Speaker 11: hundred percent.
[3:02:35] Speaker 4: It's just.
[3:02:37] Speaker 1: So you can't have the daughters both receiving two thirds total,
[3:02:44] Speaker 1: and then the parents receiving one third, and then also
[3:02:48] Speaker 1: the wife receiving an eighth.
[3:02:51] Speaker 11: No, you can't. Doesn't make no sense.
[3:02:54] Speaker 1: I know exactly so that the information given we demonstrate
[3:02:59] Speaker 1: that who who ever wrote the crime wasn't really great
[3:03:01] Speaker 1: at math, so not perfect, but that's kind of beside.
[3:03:09] Speaker 1: The point ABS we're trying to figure out is whether
[3:03:12] Speaker 1: or not it's good that people who don't believe in
[3:03:15] Speaker 1: this book, which says lots of silly, silly things, should
[3:03:18] Speaker 1: be sent to eternal conscious torment. I can't say a
[3:03:21] Speaker 1: good reason why a good God would torture me for
[3:03:24] Speaker 1: eternity because I didn't believe in a book that was
[3:03:27] Speaker 1: full of errors.
[3:03:30] Speaker 11: But at the end of the day, you won't believe
[3:03:32] Speaker 11: in the book, so you wouldn't believe in heaven and
[3:03:35] Speaker 11: hell in the first place.
[3:03:37] Speaker 1: It's irrelevant whether or not. It's irrelevant whether or not
[3:03:40] Speaker 1: I believe in heaven or hell. The reality is your
[3:03:42] Speaker 1: book teaches that my lack of belief means I'm going
[3:03:46] Speaker 1: to be tortured. But you still haven't drawn a link
[3:03:49] Speaker 1: between why not believing in something is such a terrible
[3:03:53] Speaker 1: crime that I need to be tortured for.
[3:03:55] Speaker 11: It because the us the religion in it.
[3:04:02] Speaker 1: But I know that's the religion. We're asking you for
[3:04:04] Speaker 1: an explanation on how it makes sense. Make it makes
[3:04:08] Speaker 1: sense why just being convinced of something mean I need
[3:04:11] Speaker 1: to be torture.
[3:04:13] Speaker 11: Because if you if you believe in the whole system,
[3:04:19] Speaker 11: then you're in toital to everything.
[3:04:20] Speaker 21: That is you.
[3:04:22] Speaker 1: I listen, I know, I know what it teaches. I'm
[3:04:25] Speaker 1: asking you to draw the link between me believing something
[3:04:30] Speaker 1: and why that deserves torture, because that's that's the way.
[3:04:39] Speaker 4: It is, isn't it.
[3:04:40] Speaker 1: No, that's the way it says. I'm asking you what
[3:04:43] Speaker 1: it says. I know what it says. I'm asking you
[3:04:46] Speaker 1: to explain if it makes sense. And it sounds like
[3:04:49] Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense to you either, which is why
[3:04:52] Speaker 1: you can't explain it.
[3:04:54] Speaker 11: Well, of course, some things don't make sense to us.
[3:04:58] Speaker 4: That's us.
[3:05:00] Speaker 11: I agree with you there. But then again, that's what
[3:05:03] Speaker 11: scholars are there for. I'm not saying I'm a scholar
[3:05:06] Speaker 11: person that I can answer all of these questions, but
[3:05:10] Speaker 11: that's what scholars are there for. That's why you go
[3:05:13] Speaker 11: to a scholar then, and then you go and ask
[3:05:15] Speaker 11: those questions to a scholar.
[3:05:17] Speaker 1: But no, scholars don't have answers either, that's for sure.
[3:05:20] Speaker 11: The simple part of it is, the whole narrative of
[3:05:24] Speaker 11: it is that if you don't believe it, it's not
[3:05:28] Speaker 11: going to be relevant to you, is it.
[3:05:31] Speaker 1: No, it's certainly not relevant to me. It's relevant to you.
[3:05:34] Speaker 1: You believe it and you live in the same world
[3:05:36] Speaker 1: as me. Yes, and I don't think that I want
[3:05:39] Speaker 1: to live around people that think like it's okay to
[3:05:42] Speaker 1: torture people for thought crimes, or that it's okay to
[3:05:46] Speaker 1: marry six year olds and consummate the marriage at age nine.
[3:05:50] Speaker 1: But you don't believe in all the hadiths, so you
[3:05:52] Speaker 1: probably don't believe that Ayisha was nine when they consummate
[3:05:55] Speaker 1: the marriage.
[3:05:58] Speaker 11: I don't think that. No, I don't believe that she
[3:06:00] Speaker 11: was nine when they consummated.
[3:06:01] Speaker 1: It, right, Yeah, because you don't believe in all the
[3:06:03] Speaker 1: her death and that's fine. That's why I didn't press
[3:06:05] Speaker 1: you on it, Okay. But do you believe it's okay
[3:06:08] Speaker 1: to marry pre besting girls because the Koran says it
[3:06:11] Speaker 1: that you can.
[3:06:14] Speaker 11: I think it's okay to marry them, but I don't
[3:06:17] Speaker 11: think it's okay to, oh, have sex or anything like
[3:06:23] Speaker 11: that with them until they are of age.
[3:06:27] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[3:06:28] Speaker 1: Does the Koran say that or do you say that?
[3:06:31] Speaker 4: What's that?
[3:06:33] Speaker 1: Does the Koran say that?
[3:06:34] Speaker 4: You say that?
[3:06:36] Speaker 1: Okay? So the Koran says that you can marry and
[3:06:39] Speaker 1: divorce pre prep bestent girls and explicitly tells you that
[3:06:44] Speaker 1: you can have sex with them.
[3:06:46] Speaker 11: You can't have No, you can't. You can only have
[3:06:49] Speaker 11: sex with them when they are ready and they are
[3:06:51] Speaker 11: able to have sex. You cannot have sex.
[3:06:53] Speaker 1: Find that in the Koran for me?
[3:06:58] Speaker 11: Well, unfortunately I'm not as good as you find the
[3:07:01] Speaker 11: instinct and I'm on my phone so I can't search.
[3:07:05] Speaker 11: Maybe you might be able to search it. But it
[3:07:08] Speaker 11: doesn't say that. As much as I've read of the Creator,
[3:07:11] Speaker 11: I've read the English translation as well.
[3:07:14] Speaker 5: What does not say that? Are you saying you've read
[3:07:17] Speaker 5: the Arabic? Are you thinking you said if you've read
[3:07:19] Speaker 5: the Arabic it's just just a second as yes, have
[3:07:29] Speaker 5: you read the Arabic.
[3:07:31] Speaker 11: I've read the Arabic, but I have read so I've
[3:07:34] Speaker 11: had to read the translations.
[3:07:38] Speaker 5: Then what is the point of saying that you've worted
[3:07:40] Speaker 5: in English as well? So if you voted in Arabic?
[3:07:44] Speaker 11: Sorry said that again, what.
[3:07:45] Speaker 5: Is the point of you mentioning that you've also readed
[3:07:48] Speaker 5: in English as well as if you've already as if
[3:07:50] Speaker 5: you've read it in Arabic, I have read it in Arabic.
[3:07:54] Speaker 5: You have it if you don't understand the language, you're
[3:07:56] Speaker 5: just wording it out.
[3:07:57] Speaker 11: Oh yeah, of course, I've just been ready. I have
[3:08:00] Speaker 11: not actually understood in Arabic. No, I don't understand Arabic.
[3:08:06] Speaker 11: But gentlemen, it was good speaking to you.
[3:08:10] Speaker 1: Well, we're not quite finished yet. It says, as for
[3:08:15] Speaker 1: the rules of divorce, that's for your women past the
[3:08:17] Speaker 1: age of menstruation, in case you do not know, their
[3:08:19] Speaker 1: waiting period is three months. And those who have not
[3:08:22] Speaker 1: menstruated as well, the waiting period is three months. And
[3:08:26] Speaker 1: this is so you know, like if there's a baby,
[3:08:29] Speaker 1: whose baby it belongs to?
[3:08:30] Speaker 23: Right, fair enough, but so it does the point of
[3:08:37] Speaker 23: the menstruation, so you can, so you can divorce a
[3:08:41] Speaker 23: girl who hasn't menstruated yet.
[3:08:42] Speaker 1: Correct, of course. Okay, Now it says, oh, believers, if
[3:08:48] Speaker 1: marrying believing women, then the divorce. I'm sorry. If you
[3:08:52] Speaker 1: marry believing women and then divorce them before you touch them,
[3:08:57] Speaker 1: they will have no waiting period for you to count.
[3:09:00] Speaker 1: Meaning the prepebstent girl here, the pre peabescent girl here
[3:09:07] Speaker 1: who has been divorced that has a waiting period is
[3:09:11] Speaker 1: a prepsent girl that has consummated the marriage, because it
[3:09:16] Speaker 1: says here, if you haven't touched somebody, there's no waiting period.
[3:09:22] Speaker 1: So the fact that there is a waiting period here
[3:09:25] Speaker 1: for a pep bestent girl means that she was touched.
[3:09:32] Speaker 11: No, no, it doesn't doesn't mean that.
[3:09:35] Speaker 4: It doesn't it does.
[3:09:39] Speaker 11: We just read it anyway, gentlemen. Like I said, I
[3:09:42] Speaker 11: do apologize to leave this in where we are in
[3:09:46] Speaker 11: the middle of things, but unfortunately I've got other things
[3:09:48] Speaker 11: to do. Thank you for your time, and thank you
[3:09:52] Speaker 11: for the good conversation.
[3:09:54] Speaker 1: Hey, thanks free, thanks for coming up and chat with
[3:09:56] Speaker 1: his buddy.
[3:09:57] Speaker 4: No worries.
[3:09:58] Speaker 1: Thanks Okay, Well, as usual, they don't. They don't really
[3:10:07] Speaker 1: have an answer for child brides. They never do.
[3:10:12] Speaker 4: You know what I mean?
[3:10:14] Speaker 5: You should add the and sloans to your.
[3:10:18] Speaker 1: I know I haven't added those up, but I need
[3:10:20] Speaker 1: to add those. I need to start a section in
[3:10:22] Speaker 1: the Koran tab for Koran oopsis. Let me in fact,
[3:10:29] Speaker 1: let me.
[3:10:32] Speaker 3: Hey, welcome in, doctor blitz raiders, you guys, welcome in.
[3:10:37] Speaker 3: We're so glad you're here.
[3:10:40] Speaker 1: All right, I need to write down kron I can't
[3:10:45] Speaker 1: do math, and what was that verse in the Koran
[3:10:50] Speaker 1: that gave them math?
[3:10:51] Speaker 5: Do you remember that m's before.
[3:10:59] Speaker 1: Okay, I'm writing it down right now, round four eleven
[3:11:03] Speaker 1: through twelve, and then I'm gonna plug my math into
[3:11:11] Speaker 1: the box for later. Awesome, perfect that the m's your legend, buddy,
[3:11:17] Speaker 1: absolute legend. I'm going to take another guest, but you're
[3:11:20] Speaker 1: welcome to chill with us. All right, I'm gonna grab
[3:11:26] Speaker 1: a couple of super jests and we're gonna get blown
[3:11:28] Speaker 1: out from the YouTube queue. And that's the name of
[3:11:31] Speaker 1: the guests, not a verb. Midlife Crisis Man, good to
[3:11:33] Speaker 1: see you. Thank you for the super Chest says one
[3:11:35] Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of the chat is when you
[3:11:37] Speaker 1: ask what God do you believe in? Christians seem indignant
[3:11:41] Speaker 1: that you don't spontaneously think of theirs. Isn't that wild
[3:11:44] Speaker 1: that they really think? Or they'll say something like the
[3:11:48] Speaker 1: One and Only God. That's not helpful. You would believe
[3:11:51] Speaker 1: that if in fact you were any of the Abrahamic faiths.
[3:11:55] Speaker 1: So it's just not a helpful thing to state. But
[3:11:58] Speaker 1: you're right, Midlife and Herman says, only Doug could have
[3:12:02] Speaker 1: seen the chef getting knocked out of the play of
[3:12:05] Speaker 1: the Chiefs. Sorry, I'm so I'm always thinking in food.
[3:12:09] Speaker 1: Only Doug could have seen the Chiefs getting knocked out
[3:12:12] Speaker 1: of the playoffs in twenty twenty five, praise his toniness. Well, listen,
[3:12:16] Speaker 1: I didn't see it coming. We'll say that, but I
[3:12:19] Speaker 1: don't hate it.
[3:12:20] Speaker 11: So like.
[3:12:23] Speaker 1: As a as a footballer, I like Mahomes, not crazy
[3:12:27] Speaker 1: about dynasties. Wasn't crazy about the Patriots dynasty. Not crazy
[3:12:31] Speaker 1: about the Chiefs dynasty. I like to see new teams
[3:12:35] Speaker 1: constantly winning. I'm not interested in one team turning into
[3:12:38] Speaker 1: the New York Yankees and then dominating any sport. That's
[3:12:42] Speaker 1: not my favorite thing. I like to see a lot
[3:12:44] Speaker 1: of teams battle it out, and so you know, I'm
[3:12:50] Speaker 1: not happy that they're they're They're not going to be
[3:12:52] Speaker 1: in the Bowl, but you know I'm not mad. Lega says,
[3:12:57] Speaker 1: I love the hidden deadpools in your Smith's Weeater. Doug,
[3:13:01] Speaker 1: I said, what up? Well, absolutely I will, and thank
[3:13:03] Speaker 1: you and Tally good to see you because today's show
[3:13:06] Speaker 1: is slapping. Well, thank you, Tally. I appreciate that, and
[3:13:09] Speaker 1: this is one of my favorite topics. It always slaps.
[3:13:12] Speaker 1: And Sarah says, what the fuck does Silent Bob keep cutting?
[3:13:16] Speaker 1: I mean, why the fuck does silent Bob keep coming back?
[3:13:18] Speaker 1: Crippy as shit? I know, I know, and silent Bob
[3:13:21] Speaker 1: probably an app description, in fact, not just coming back,
[3:13:25] Speaker 1: but he's Look, he's still here just angrily watching hate
[3:13:29] Speaker 1: watching my live stream. In fact, I'll add it. I'll
[3:13:33] Speaker 1: add the uh hold on eskay for justin we know it.
[3:13:40] Speaker 16: We know.
[3:13:42] Speaker 1: They can't help themselves. They're just out here angrily just
[3:13:45] Speaker 1: hate watching my live stream. Crystal, can you imagine wasting
[3:13:48] Speaker 1: hours of your day just hate watching somebody else's live
[3:13:51] Speaker 1: stream that you disagree with.
[3:13:54] Speaker 5: At least it's not Manor.
[3:13:57] Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you're right. At least it's not Manar,
[3:13:59] Speaker 1: although Minar's at least entertaining, is he not? Johanna said,
[3:14:04] Speaker 1: Swamp is a vapid, babbly boot liquor bully. God ken bully,
[3:14:10] Speaker 1: therefore is good that he bullies. Absolutely sick o. I
[3:14:13] Speaker 1: mean that that kind of the case is you can't
[3:14:15] Speaker 1: question God, right, but I sure as fuck can. And
[3:14:19] Speaker 1: Bob speaking of God, not Bob, the episcopolion makes me
[3:14:24] Speaker 1: feels well, that is kind of the case. A lot
[3:14:27] Speaker 1: of the episcopelion did get there because of progressive Christianity.
[3:14:31] Speaker 1: They didn't like the way Christianity, the real Christianity, made
[3:14:35] Speaker 1: them feel icky, right, so they have to go to
[3:14:37] Speaker 1: the progressive version of it. But all right, let's get in. Kevin,
[3:14:42] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, blown Out, I'm sorry, who's coming next? And
[3:14:45] Speaker 1: then Kevin? After that?
[3:14:51] Speaker 4: Welcome in?
[3:14:52] Speaker 1: Blown Out? Are you at least eighteen? And do you
[3:14:54] Speaker 1: believe in God?
[3:14:57] Speaker 19: I am?
[3:14:58] Speaker 24: And yes, And I'm going to shut off my ca
[3:15:00] Speaker 24: here because I'm noticing.
[3:15:01] Speaker 1: Its leggy awesome And which God do you believe in?
[3:15:07] Speaker 13: Ah?
[3:15:08] Speaker 24: I don't know if that worked not.
[3:15:09] Speaker 1: Can you hear me? Okay, I can hear your fine?
[3:15:12] Speaker 11: Great, So.
[3:15:16] Speaker 24: I don't I don't actually know. Yeah, Well, here's the
[3:15:22] Speaker 24: thing's grip. Christian started poking holes in that a lot,
[3:15:26] Speaker 24: uh in my in my later adult years. When you
[3:15:30] Speaker 24: start asking questions about the faith you grew up, and
[3:15:32] Speaker 24: obviously for most people who are I think are somewhat intellectually,
[3:15:36] Speaker 24: you start to you start to see holes in the
[3:15:39] Speaker 24: things that you were taught, especially when they don't line
[3:15:40] Speaker 24: up with the original faith. It's a comment you just
[3:15:42] Speaker 24: made on Christianity that I think probably holds pretty true.
[3:15:47] Speaker 24: So on the screen, you're asking or saying God is
[3:15:51] Speaker 24: not good.
[3:15:52] Speaker 5: Proved me wrong.
[3:15:52] Speaker 24: I would argue that God is that labeling good or
[3:15:57] Speaker 24: bad is kind of.
[3:16:00] Speaker 4: Mute.
[3:16:02] Speaker 24: That essentially, there is really no point in sitting here
[3:16:07] Speaker 24: debating whether or not God is good or not, because
[3:16:11] Speaker 24: what does it matter if God is just exists.
[3:16:15] Speaker 1: Okay, so you do or don't believe that God is good?
[3:16:20] Speaker 4: Yes or no?
[3:16:21] Speaker 24: Both God is good and bad?
[3:16:23] Speaker 1: Oh we agree then nope?
[3:16:26] Speaker 5: Oh okay, that was fast.
[3:16:29] Speaker 1: Cool. Glad we can find a quasi believer that agrees
[3:16:32] Speaker 1: with us. Sometimes you'll get that. Sometimes you'll get that. Friends, Well,
[3:16:42] Speaker 1: I'm glad that you deconstructed from your religion, my friend,
[3:16:45] Speaker 1: and that you are willing to be a free thinker.
[3:16:48] Speaker 1: But we agree, so we can't move forward. Nitti says
[3:16:50] Speaker 1: Christians abortion is child sacrifice. Also Christians Israelites can sacrifice
[3:16:55] Speaker 1: children in war. I know, listen to the double standard
[3:16:59] Speaker 1: from these people is crazy. Like it's okay for God
[3:17:02] Speaker 1: to murder babies, it's okay for Israelites to murder babies.
[3:17:06] Speaker 1: Sometimes it's never okay for people in the modern world
[3:17:10] Speaker 1: to terminate pregnancies before they become babies. That is completely
[3:17:16] Speaker 1: right out. There's a whole lot of sense making, and
[3:17:19] Speaker 1: perfect says Addie is clearly floundering because he has never
[3:17:22] Speaker 1: read the book, nor does nor does he have any
[3:17:25] Speaker 1: familiarity with basic logic. No wonder he has a sky wizard. Indeed, indeed,
[3:17:30] Speaker 1: the sky wizard is there when you don't have logic
[3:17:33] Speaker 1: or firm evidence. And last one from Penelope is do
[3:17:36] Speaker 1: we have a dim bab emoji?
[3:17:38] Speaker 13: Oh?
[3:17:38] Speaker 1: My god, we don't, but we need one. We need
[3:17:42] Speaker 1: a dim bab emoji. Now I would love to see that.
[3:17:45] Speaker 1: Let's make that happen, all right, I promise I bring
[3:17:48] Speaker 1: Kevin in next. Let's get Kevin from the queue. Welcome
[3:17:54] Speaker 1: and Kevin, are you at least eighteen? And do you
[3:17:56] Speaker 1: believe in God?
[3:18:00] Speaker 5: Shoot?
[3:18:00] Speaker 6: Guys, I was waiting and I gotta go now. I'll
[3:18:03] Speaker 6: try to get back on another time, I guess.
[3:18:05] Speaker 2: But yes, Christian God.
[3:18:07] Speaker 6: My problem with the atheism is the lack of moral foundation.
[3:18:11] Speaker 1: And no one gives the fuck. Get out of here,
[3:18:13] Speaker 1: Come back when you got time to talk. Not here
[3:18:15] Speaker 1: for complaints, Doc Plerooma, think of it. The superjet says,
[3:18:18] Speaker 1: calling God good after reading Joshua is like describing a
[3:18:22] Speaker 1: tornado as refreshing airflow. A million percent Joshua that the
[3:18:27] Speaker 1: Book of Joshua is a hard read if you really
[3:18:31] Speaker 1: think God is good. I do love it when they
[3:18:34] Speaker 1: come in and immediately try to burden shift by saying
[3:18:36] Speaker 1: dumb things like atheism has no moral foundation. Um, we
[3:18:41] Speaker 1: fucking agree, there's no such thing as objective morals, proof
[3:18:44] Speaker 1: that objective morals exist, and then our care that we
[3:18:47] Speaker 1: don't have objective morals. I don't give a fuck exactly,
[3:18:52] Speaker 1: all right, I mean, you complaining about it does nothing
[3:18:55] Speaker 1: to solve the problem, that's for sure. Although I would
[3:18:59] Speaker 1: say ian And has an interesting argument for why for
[3:19:04] Speaker 1: why morals are objective, but he hasn't quite convinced me
[3:19:08] Speaker 1: of that just yet. Like a tornado has refreshing air. Arvin,
[3:19:17] Speaker 1: welcome in. Are you at least eighteen? And do you
[3:19:19] Speaker 1: believe in God?
[3:19:21] Speaker 10: Hi?
[3:19:21] Speaker 6: Are you able to hear me?
[3:19:23] Speaker 10: Yeah?
[3:19:23] Speaker 1: I can hear you?
[3:19:25] Speaker 4: All right, cool, A.
[3:19:26] Speaker 1: Little bit quiet, but I can turn your volume up.
[3:19:28] Speaker 2: I'm on my phone.
[3:19:29] Speaker 17: I'm not sure if it's like I don't.
[3:19:32] Speaker 14: I'm not sure if I can hear you properly.
[3:19:34] Speaker 1: Oh, I can hear you.
[3:19:35] Speaker 17: I can hear you, Okay, I can.
[3:19:37] Speaker 5: Hear you too. It's soft.
[3:19:38] Speaker 14: What I can I can hear you?
[3:19:40] Speaker 1: Hi, give me one second from the echo cancelation on? Okay?
[3:19:45] Speaker 5: Cool?
[3:19:45] Speaker 1: So Arvin, which guy do you believe in?
[3:19:52] Speaker 14: I grew up believing in God. My father was a
[3:19:57] Speaker 14: Vedic priest, so that's from India, like ancient ancient India.
[3:20:05] Speaker 14: He was a Jewish man from America.
[3:20:08] Speaker 1: But what do you believe?
[3:20:10] Speaker 14: Yeah, so for me, I grew up believing in God.
[3:20:13] Speaker 14: Right now, my belief in God is more like maybe
[3:20:23] Speaker 14: knowledge based at this point, there's also a relationship based,
[3:20:27] Speaker 14: which is more feelings. So feelings are not really something
[3:20:31] Speaker 14: we can debate about. So I think the logic part
[3:20:34] Speaker 14: is what I'll share.
[3:20:37] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, what do you what? God do you believe in?
[3:20:43] Speaker 14: So it's it's not from any book, or it's not
[3:20:46] Speaker 14: from a Bible, or it's not from so it would
[3:20:49] Speaker 14: be one God.
[3:20:50] Speaker 1: I believe in God. Is it a sentient thinking agent
[3:20:55] Speaker 1: that created the universe? It would be.
[3:21:02] Speaker 14: It would the universe the way I see the universe
[3:21:06] Speaker 14: would be its own nature. So it's it's like I
[3:21:10] Speaker 14: would say it. The easiest way to put it into
[3:21:12] Speaker 14: English would be like a nature simulation of God. So
[3:21:16] Speaker 14: it's it is creation so God has a part in it.
[3:21:22] Speaker 1: But was there ever a point where creation didn't exist
[3:21:25] Speaker 1: and God did exist?
[3:21:34] Speaker 4: I would say that.
[3:21:38] Speaker 14: That depends on whether God chose to simulate his nature
[3:21:45] Speaker 14: or was it an automatic expression like something that that
[3:21:50] Speaker 14: was just had to happen.
[3:21:52] Speaker 1: So yeah, we're just we're not going to do that.
[3:21:55] Speaker 4: I'm sorry. Did I ask?
[3:21:57] Speaker 11: H M?
[3:21:57] Speaker 1: Did I ask a question that was too hard understand? Crazy?
[3:22:02] Speaker 5: I know, why would you to beat your gun if
[3:22:05] Speaker 5: you don't know anything about him?
[3:22:07] Speaker 1: I have no idea why people get up here and
[3:22:10] Speaker 1: do that kind of weird stuff. I will never understand
[3:22:12] Speaker 1: it in a million years.
[3:22:13] Speaker 3: It's quite obvious that these all powerful gods need our
[3:22:19] Speaker 3: help as humans to help them out.
[3:22:22] Speaker 1: And they've got teams of lawyers and still can't figure
[3:22:27] Speaker 1: it out. Juju penguins, we just talked yesterday. It's good
[3:22:30] Speaker 1: to see your friend. It says, thanks for the stream
[3:22:32] Speaker 1: making work less lame. A question. Would ADDIE's denying of
[3:22:36] Speaker 1: God causing the grapes technically be the blasphemy that Jesus
[3:22:39] Speaker 1: warned against. Actually, it could theoretically count if he witnessed it.
[3:22:45] Speaker 1: If he personally witnessed God doing it, then it would
[3:22:48] Speaker 1: count as blasphemy of the Holy Spirit, but since he
[3:22:51] Speaker 1: just read it in a book, I don't think it
[3:22:52] Speaker 1: really counts, and that that's one of the problems is
[3:22:55] Speaker 1: blasphe me the Holy Spirit seems to be a very
[3:22:57] Speaker 1: specific thing where you witness the Holy Spirit doing something
[3:23:01] Speaker 1: and then you say, no, that's the devil. Right, You've
[3:23:04] Speaker 1: blasphemed the Holy Spirit directly, right, So I think that
[3:23:08] Speaker 1: the path to committing the unforgivable sin is really fucking narrow,
[3:23:14] Speaker 1: really narrow. Haby Crystal, thank you for the super jest says.
[3:23:17] Speaker 1: There are so few crystals now, and even less that
[3:23:21] Speaker 1: spell it right. This is so confusing. Every time you
[3:23:23] Speaker 1: say the name, I keep thinking you're talking to me.
[3:23:27] Speaker 1: I should only be so lucky to hang with Justin Wells. Listen,
[3:23:30] Speaker 1: we've got two crystals up here now and they're both
[3:23:33] Speaker 1: spelled the same.
[3:23:35] Speaker 3: That's the right way to spell it.
[3:23:38] Speaker 1: So hell yeah. Although this isn't KYB from TikTok Land.
[3:23:45] Speaker 1: There used to be a KB in our circles in
[3:23:47] Speaker 1: TikTok but I don't think this is the same one
[3:23:50] Speaker 1: because I don't think kb's name was Crystal if I
[3:23:53] Speaker 1: remember correctly. So it must be somewhat different. But if
[3:23:57] Speaker 1: it's our old friend from TikTok, welcome KB, good to
[3:24:00] Speaker 1: meet you, good to see you again, and also, uh
[3:24:05] Speaker 1: damn er Demean, thank you for the ten dour superdet says, Hey,
[3:24:08] Speaker 1: just watch forces most recent video and loved your contribution.
[3:24:12] Speaker 1: Really love when people get into the nitty gritty of
[3:24:14] Speaker 1: language like that, and I thought you explained it concise
[3:24:17] Speaker 1: and perfect well, thank you, Sidmy, And I must apologize.
[3:24:20] Speaker 1: He asked me for like five to ten minutes worth
[3:24:22] Speaker 1: of explanation, and I think I gave him like fifteen
[3:24:25] Speaker 1: or twenty, so it went way longer than I was
[3:24:29] Speaker 1: opposed to. But it was such an exciting thing to
[3:24:31] Speaker 1: talk about that. You know, we got a little bit
[3:24:34] Speaker 1: carried away. Sweetie. Hey, I like that. I appreciate that, sweetie.
[3:24:42] Speaker 1: Thank you for the ten hour Supertest says The funniest
[3:24:44] Speaker 1: part is when you say would you like two minutes
[3:24:46] Speaker 1: to preach and then drop the mid sentence. Actually, sweetie,
[3:24:50] Speaker 1: I love doing that. I haven't done it as much
[3:24:53] Speaker 1: lately because I'm afraid that my guests will recognize it
[3:24:57] Speaker 1: and know it's coming. I did that once many months ago,
[3:25:00] Speaker 1: where I was doing it too often, and then some
[3:25:02] Speaker 1: of the opposition started to get wise to it. So
[3:25:05] Speaker 1: now I have to do it very sparingly as to
[3:25:08] Speaker 1: not allow people to know my trick. But listen, we've
[3:25:13] Speaker 1: ran out of guests to talk to, and I've got
[3:25:15] Speaker 1: to read super chats and end stream. Anyways, I've got
[3:25:18] Speaker 1: some stuff I gotta get done still yet today, which
[3:25:21] Speaker 1: is one of the reasons, one of the multiple reasons
[3:25:24] Speaker 1: why I'm streaming in the morning rather than the evening.
[3:25:26] Speaker 1: But guys, thank you so much for being here, and
[3:25:28] Speaker 1: thank you for all the likes, s fairs, comments, and
[3:25:31] Speaker 1: make sure you're following m's and Crystal, are you guys
[3:25:35] Speaker 1: going live this week at all?
[3:25:38] Speaker 3: I'll be live all this week and less that grand
[3:25:41] Speaker 3: baby shows that Buy'm on baby watch still. But mom
[3:25:45] Speaker 3: was doing great when I left Texas, got it all
[3:25:48] Speaker 3: settled and so yeah, but I'll be going live all
[3:25:52] Speaker 3: this week.
[3:25:53] Speaker 4: Crystal.
[3:25:53] Speaker 1: I could be wrong, but I didn't see DM from
[3:25:57] Speaker 1: you with brand new baby picture. Why do you hate me?
[3:26:02] Speaker 16: Oh?
[3:26:02] Speaker 3: Because he didn't get born yet.
[3:26:05] Speaker 1: We're trying to Oh, okay, there we.
[3:26:06] Speaker 3: Go a little bit longer, a little bit longer.
[3:26:09] Speaker 1: Just check them, Okay, Okay, Bertram, thank you for the
[3:26:12] Speaker 1: Viking gift. I appreciate that. Yeah, friends, you know, I
[3:26:16] Speaker 1: actually have some people in the community that know I
[3:26:19] Speaker 1: love babies that send me their baby pictures. Prince, if
[3:26:21] Speaker 1: you send me pictures of your baby, or your puppy
[3:26:25] Speaker 1: or your kitten, I promise you I'll read it and
[3:26:28] Speaker 1: I'll appreciate it. Babies are the best. Atheist Gamer says,
[3:26:33] Speaker 1: check your discord. I have something for you atheists. I
[3:26:35] Speaker 1: promise I'll get to this week. It's been a last week.
[3:26:38] Speaker 1: I was swamped, absolutely swamped. But I'll get to it
[3:26:41] Speaker 1: this week, I promise, Jay says, walking up to Justin,
[3:26:45] Speaker 1: I'm sorry waking up to Justin and Crystal praise Doug. Yeah, Crystal,
[3:26:49] Speaker 1: Justin and Crystal j in the morning. And Duke does
[3:26:53] Speaker 1: not an Anabaptist, then well, actually, when I was in seminary,
[3:26:58] Speaker 1: I was. I went to an Anabaptist seminary, and I
[3:27:01] Speaker 1: still believe of the many denominations or strains of Christianity,
[3:27:06] Speaker 1: I still like the Anabaptist the best. That they're really
[3:27:10] Speaker 1: near and dear.
[3:27:10] Speaker 15: To my heart.
[3:27:12] Speaker 1: And sp says who's your favorite goddess and why it is?
[3:27:15] Speaker 6: Star.
[3:27:17] Speaker 1: Actually it's not Ishtar, it's enough Anough. Well, Anough is
[3:27:22] Speaker 1: similar to Ishtar. She is just a big fucking badass
[3:27:26] Speaker 1: who sometimes fights wars and kills everybody, makes some pools
[3:27:30] Speaker 1: of blood and baby paste. But Anough also is the
[3:27:34] Speaker 1: real hero in the Bail cycle when Bail goes to
[3:27:37] Speaker 1: fight Moth in the underworld and Moth swallows them up
[3:27:40] Speaker 1: and he actually dies in the underworld. He doesn't come
[3:27:43] Speaker 1: back to life on his own. In fact, Anoth comes
[3:27:47] Speaker 1: down and defeats death on his behalf. She is the
[3:27:51] Speaker 1: badass in that story, and she's amazing, and she shows
[3:27:55] Speaker 1: up in the Hebrew Bible. Just do a word search
[3:27:57] Speaker 1: in the Hebrew Bible, and you'll find there are towns
[3:28:01] Speaker 1: named after the goddess Anoth. You'll find there are Israelite
[3:28:05] Speaker 1: children named after the goddess Anath. He's literally all over
[3:28:10] Speaker 1: the place. In fact, if I do a word search,
[3:28:13] Speaker 1: I gotta do Anoth in quote so that doesn't pull
[3:28:16] Speaker 1: up the word another. You'll find it there. Joshua fifteen
[3:28:21] Speaker 1: fifty nine. There's a town called beth Anath or bait Anath,
[3:28:26] Speaker 1: which means house of Anough. And so listen, she's dope,
[3:28:31] Speaker 1: and you'll you'll find you'll find all kinds of references
[3:28:36] Speaker 1: to her in the Hebrew Bible. She's awesome. Dan says, sorry,
[3:28:40] Speaker 1: I came up, but who ordered David Verse first Chronicles
[3:28:44] Speaker 1: twenty one. I don't know who ordered it, but we
[3:28:46] Speaker 1: certainly served that dish hot, did we not? Charles says,
[3:28:50] Speaker 1: Justin another supposedly atheist. Well, Charles, I have no idea
[3:28:54] Speaker 1: what you mean by Justin another supposedly atheist. I think
[3:28:58] Speaker 1: you means supposed atheist, and it is. It turns out
[3:29:01] Speaker 1: I am a in fact atheist, not a supposedly atheist.
[3:29:04] Speaker 1: There's no allegedly about this. And Zen the veener Thrand
[3:29:11] Speaker 1: says God doesn't have a mind, so it's Yahweh the
[3:29:15] Speaker 1: blobfish indeed, to say Yahweh doesn't have a mind is
[3:29:20] Speaker 1: it's just is brain melting to me, because in Exous
[3:29:24] Speaker 1: thirty three to five, he clearly makes decisions in fact
[3:29:30] Speaker 1: that this is not a verse we trot out often.
[3:29:33] Speaker 1: But it says in Exos thirty three, when God is
[3:29:36] Speaker 1: mad at the Israelites, he says, for the Lord said
[3:29:39] Speaker 1: to Moses, say to the Israelites, you are as stiff
[3:29:41] Speaker 1: naked people. If for a single moment I should go
[3:29:45] Speaker 1: up among you, I would consume you. So now take
[3:29:47] Speaker 1: off your ornaments, and I will decide what to do
[3:29:50] Speaker 1: with you or what to do to you. God makes decisions.
[3:29:53] Speaker 1: Motherfucker's got a mind. This father is to it.
[3:29:57] Speaker 3: Isn't there even a time in the Bible or says
[3:30:00] Speaker 3: something like who can know the mind of God?
[3:30:05] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[3:30:05] Speaker 1: In fact, the New Testament says, well, it gets interpreted.
[3:30:09] Speaker 1: It says that the Holy Spirit searches out the mind
[3:30:13] Speaker 1: of God. But it really it uses the phrase the
[3:30:16] Speaker 1: deep things of God. But I bet the verse you're
[3:30:21] Speaker 1: talking about probably does actually say mind. Hold on, let
[3:30:26] Speaker 1: me find because there is a passage in the New
[3:30:34] Speaker 1: Testament that specifically refers to the mind of God. Oh. Actually,
[3:30:38] Speaker 1: the Second Samuel fourteen eleven does two says, please may
[3:30:42] Speaker 1: the King the Lord. Oh no, sorry, never mind, No,
[3:30:45] Speaker 1: that's not the one. It's not the one we're looking for.
[3:30:48] Speaker 1: Let me flip to the New Testament because I know
[3:30:52] Speaker 1: there's a passage in the New Testament that explicitly talks
[3:30:55] Speaker 1: about the mind of God, not the deep things of God.
[3:31:01] Speaker 1: Hm m m mmmm. What to look for that later?
[3:31:04] Speaker 1: I don't see it. But the reality is if God,
[3:31:09] Speaker 1: if God's making decisions, if he's knowing things, then he's
[3:31:14] Speaker 1: got some sort of a mind. That's all there is
[3:31:16] Speaker 1: to it. Roman's eight twenty seven. And God, who searches hearts,
[3:31:21] Speaker 1: knows what is the mind of the spirit. The fuck
[3:31:25] Speaker 1: the fucking spirit's got a mind, so and it's got
[3:31:32] Speaker 1: a will.
[3:31:34] Speaker 3: But God did it like what?
[3:31:37] Speaker 1: That'd be crazy if the Holy Spirit had a mind.
[3:31:39] Speaker 1: But God didn't have a mind, pretty wild. And in Christ,
[3:31:45] Speaker 1: Christ had of mind. Who it's preposterous to think that
[3:31:50] Speaker 1: God doesn't have a mind, Charlos says, true atheists find
[3:31:53] Speaker 1: better evidence. Oh, you must be referring to that guest
[3:31:57] Speaker 1: that said he was an atheist, not me. I'm with
[3:32:01] Speaker 1: you now, Charles. I think I know what you're saying now,
[3:32:03] Speaker 1: Charles also cute puppy, cute wrinkley puppy, Jam and Jay,
[3:32:07] Speaker 1: good to see you. Thank you so much for the spit,
[3:32:09] Speaker 1: says Addie. Seems like a real ww dipshit WWJ dipshit
[3:32:16] Speaker 1: l Addie rock hard for Doug. I think you nailed it,
[3:32:19] Speaker 1: Jam and Jay, I think you nailed it. And doctor
[3:32:21] Speaker 1: Wassembler says premise one, God causes bad, premise to God
[3:32:25] Speaker 1: is bad, conclusion God is good. I mean, that's really
[3:32:31] Speaker 1: what you're doing. That that was his logical syllogism. I
[3:32:35] Speaker 1: should have made him put his argument in a syllogism
[3:32:37] Speaker 1: just to see.
[3:32:39] Speaker 13: How are you?
[3:32:42] Speaker 3: Jason Debateman says, numbers twenty three nineteen. God is not
[3:32:46] Speaker 3: a human being that he should lie or immortal that
[3:32:49] Speaker 3: he should.
[3:32:50] Speaker 1: Change his mind. Yeah, that's the hard thing with So
[3:32:55] Speaker 1: twenty three nineteen is the same as for Samuel fifteen
[3:32:58] Speaker 1: twenty nine. Nfortunately, the phrase to change mind is naham
[3:33:04] Speaker 1: in Hebrew, and it so the word of mind isn't
[3:33:08] Speaker 1: explicitly in there. It would literally read that he's not
[3:33:13] Speaker 1: a man, a man that he would repent. But I
[3:33:18] Speaker 1: to repent means you have a change of mind, which
[3:33:21] Speaker 1: is why they write it that way. Right, So while
[3:33:24] Speaker 1: the word mind doesn't explicitly show up, I think it
[3:33:27] Speaker 1: definitely entails that there must be a mind, because you
[3:33:32] Speaker 1: can't repent. You can't have a change of course if
[3:33:35] Speaker 1: you don't have a mind. Right, exactly exactly, it's a
[3:33:41] Speaker 1: good thought. Till Attack says, we need a liar emote
[3:33:45] Speaker 1: and a liar counter. Ooh, a lie counter. Oh yeah, yeah,
[3:33:51] Speaker 1: I'm going to add that to the list, a lie counter.
[3:33:55] Speaker 1: I love the idea of a lie counter. Okay, all right,
[3:33:58] Speaker 1: fantastic idea. Here's some ideas on my list so far
[3:34:01] Speaker 1: that I have to make a reality. We need a
[3:34:05] Speaker 1: live calendar for the audience to know when the lives
[3:34:07] Speaker 1: are gonna be. We need a sky carcass merch, we
[3:34:12] Speaker 1: need a WAP for Doug merch, and now we need
[3:34:14] Speaker 1: a lie counter for the stream. We're gonna make this
[3:34:16] Speaker 1: a real thing. Erzmat, my friend says big up to
[3:34:20] Speaker 1: everyone who didn't defend essay this morning. I know, hey,
[3:34:25] Speaker 1: big congratulations to everyone here who is in the live stream,
[3:34:28] Speaker 1: watching and participating that did not defend a rape essay
[3:34:33] Speaker 1: and child murder. Crystal M's congratulations. You're good.
[3:34:39] Speaker 21: I have read card on that.
[3:34:40] Speaker 3: By the way, I told my husband that had Christmas
[3:34:44] Speaker 3: this year, I'm gonna wear a rock Hard for Dag shirt.
[3:34:47] Speaker 3: Do you think that will go over well in my
[3:34:49] Speaker 3: particular family. I showed up in front of his children.
[3:34:52] Speaker 1: With that shirt. I think is especially fitting in your family.
[3:34:57] Speaker 1: Given the name of your deified husb.
[3:35:03] Speaker 3: I think he really enjoys all the merch because he
[3:35:05] Speaker 3: thinks it's about him.
[3:35:07] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm down for this. Let's make it happen.
[3:35:10] Speaker 1: My only request is that you take a picture and
[3:35:12] Speaker 1: let us see. I will definitely do that, oren says
[3:35:17] Speaker 1: Christian atheist Christian just a petulant phrase, a phase. Oh well,
[3:35:27] Speaker 1: I mean from Christian to atheists to Christian equals just
[3:35:32] Speaker 1: a petulant phrase. I would agree. And also, if you
[3:35:36] Speaker 1: went from being a Christian to an atheist and then
[3:35:40] Speaker 1: back to being a Christian, I'm not convinced that you're
[3:35:43] Speaker 1: good at doing your homework at all. Bracewort says God
[3:35:47] Speaker 1: gets all the glory for good things because all things
[3:35:51] Speaker 1: causes all things, yet responsible for nothing bad. Oh my head,
[3:35:55] Speaker 1: do I smell burned? Toast basorts This is a good
[3:35:57] Speaker 1: point because he wants to say that God is good
[3:36:00] Speaker 1: because he's responsible for all things, but when he reads
[3:36:03] Speaker 1: something bad, he won't say that God is bad because
[3:36:06] Speaker 1: he's responsible for the bad thing. I didn't press him
[3:36:09] Speaker 1: on it, but I know he is reformed. Like I
[3:36:11] Speaker 1: guarantee we will have found out that he was like
[3:36:18] Speaker 1: a Calvinist, fuck, even a Hypercalvinist. The Hypercalvinists are always
[3:36:22] Speaker 1: the most overconfident people on the planet. Helping make a says,
[3:36:27] Speaker 1: Addie is a Koala brain. An embarrassing show. It really
[3:36:31] Speaker 1: is the case. Not only was he a Koala brain,
[3:36:33] Speaker 1: but he really thought he was going to come up
[3:36:35] Speaker 1: and cook and it didn't turn out well for him.
[3:36:38] Speaker 1: Nailed it, Like Druman says, are you streaming on Hitchin's
[3:36:41] Speaker 1: hitch Miss this year? December fifteenth?
[3:36:43] Speaker 10: Was?
[3:36:43] Speaker 1: Shit? What day is December fifteenth? I don't know what
[3:36:46] Speaker 1: day of the week that is, but let me open
[3:36:48] Speaker 1: my calendar and I'll tell you from today. Oh well, yes, yes,
[3:36:54] Speaker 1: I will be on the celebration of hitch Miss. Will
[3:36:58] Speaker 1: be streaming indeed. And MC says, Justin, could you maybe
[3:37:03] Speaker 1: read always yahweh when it says so in the Bible
[3:37:06] Speaker 1: instead of the Lord. It would help educate the masses.
[3:37:09] Speaker 1: It's not a bad idea, some people have asked me,
[3:37:11] Speaker 1: and I kind of forget to do it. I do
[3:37:13] Speaker 1: it when it's really critical to the story, but I
[3:37:15] Speaker 1: don't do it often, so I need to do it more.
[3:37:18] Speaker 11: I could do that.
[3:37:19] Speaker 1: I'm not a Christian. I don't think that it's blaspheming
[3:37:23] Speaker 1: the name of Yahweh. And I certainly don't think that
[3:37:25] Speaker 1: it's misusing the name of Yahweh. I think it's just
[3:37:27] Speaker 1: being literal.
[3:37:28] Speaker 4: With the text.
[3:37:29] Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean I can do that for you, buddy,
[3:37:31] Speaker 1: Cascade says, justin post offices will hold your larger items
[3:37:34] Speaker 1: in the back and leave a slip in your actual
[3:37:36] Speaker 1: box to notify you that you have something. Are you
[3:37:39] Speaker 1: fucking kidding me, Cascade? They'll do that. So what's the
[3:37:42] Speaker 1: point of having a larger PEO box then, like, why
[3:37:46] Speaker 1: would they why would they have size this?
[3:37:48] Speaker 3: More money? Think me more money? And also, if you're
[3:37:53] Speaker 3: not one, like let's say you're a person who only
[3:37:56] Speaker 3: checks your PEO box once a month, there's something I
[3:37:58] Speaker 3: can hold more of the actual paper mail and so
[3:38:01] Speaker 3: forth in it.
[3:38:02] Speaker 1: But yeah, fair enough, and yeah, because if you don't
[3:38:05] Speaker 1: check it very often, it just means that.
[3:38:07] Speaker 11: Well.
[3:38:08] Speaker 1: Also, if you have a PO box, you can check
[3:38:10] Speaker 1: it even when the post office is shut down, right
[3:38:15] Speaker 1: or no?
[3:38:15] Speaker 17: Yes, yes you can, Okay, yes.
[3:38:19] Speaker 1: So if it doesn't fit in your PO box and
[3:38:22] Speaker 1: the post office is shut down, you can't get it
[3:38:24] Speaker 1: until the opening. And so there might be some benefits
[3:38:27] Speaker 1: to having a larger PO box, but not nothing great.
[3:38:30] Speaker 1: But this is a good point, Cascade. So I might
[3:38:32] Speaker 1: get a Peo box and I'll get the smallest one,
[3:38:35] Speaker 1: and then every time I go to check it, I'll
[3:38:36] Speaker 1: just ask for any larger packages. This is a really
[3:38:39] Speaker 1: good idea. Base to Shara, good to see you. Thank
[3:38:42] Speaker 1: you for the supertises. Rupert seems like he farts in
[3:38:45] Speaker 1: jars and gives each one a name. That might be
[3:38:55] Speaker 1: the case. That certainly could be the case. Thank you
[3:38:59] Speaker 1: for that. Base of Shara and Earthmond says, can we
[3:39:01] Speaker 1: get a crystal jetty?
[3:39:03] Speaker 7: WU?
[3:39:03] Speaker 1: Counter? Please?
[3:39:04] Speaker 21: Oh?
[3:39:05] Speaker 1: Interesting? A crystal a JETI we you know what we
[3:39:08] Speaker 1: don't have. We don't get enough WU anymore. We used
[3:39:13] Speaker 1: to get more WU. But on this topic, I don't
[3:39:16] Speaker 1: think it encourages the WU callers. I think the main
[3:39:20] Speaker 1: topic gets most of the WU, ain't she So I
[3:39:27] Speaker 1: determine if God is good by his evil?
[3:39:30] Speaker 14: Oh?
[3:39:30] Speaker 1: I determined God is good by his evil? Hold on,
[3:39:35] Speaker 1: I determine if God is there. You go, you will
[3:39:38] Speaker 1: determine if God is good by how evil his followers are.
[3:39:42] Speaker 1: I think that's what you're trying to say. And to
[3:39:44] Speaker 1: be fair, that's a good point because the Bible says
[3:39:48] Speaker 1: that his followers will have particular behaviors. Back Jesus says,
[3:39:51] Speaker 1: if you love me, you obey my commands. And it
[3:39:54] Speaker 1: says elsewhere, like in First John, that they're expected to
[3:39:57] Speaker 1: not even sin. But all that that being said, I mean,
[3:40:01] Speaker 1: like the fact that the Bible makes so many promises
[3:40:04] Speaker 1: about the church and the people in the church and
[3:40:06] Speaker 1: they don't come true just tells you that the God
[3:40:08] Speaker 1: doesn't exists, maybe more than whether or not God is good.
[3:40:12] Speaker 1: Ice cream assassin, thank you for the Superjest says, God
[3:40:15] Speaker 1: is outside of our comprehension, equals God does a bunch
[3:40:17] Speaker 1: of stupid, irrational stuff. We can't possibly justify you, Nail
[3:40:21] Speaker 1: the ice cream sassion. God is outside of a comprehension,
[3:40:25] Speaker 1: is a is a cop out of Listen. I can't
[3:40:29] Speaker 1: tell you this bullshit you're about to point out in
[3:40:31] Speaker 1: the Bible. I can't tell you why it happened or
[3:40:33] Speaker 1: how it's good. I just I put my brain at
[3:40:37] Speaker 1: the door when I walk into this building and assume
[3:40:39] Speaker 1: that he's good. And uh, the zinner thin that says
[3:40:44] Speaker 1: Rupert is geked out on Coca cola. Oh, I mean,
[3:40:49] Speaker 1: get a little trouble focusing. I don't know what geked
[3:40:52] Speaker 1: out means, but actually that was the case, and that's
[3:40:58] Speaker 1: a real thing actually, so I don't so for people
[3:41:00] Speaker 1: who don't know. Okay, when you put that kind of
[3:41:05] Speaker 1: stuff in your nostrils, it degrades, was it the silly
[3:41:09] Speaker 1: eye or whatever it is, on the inside of your nostrils.
[3:41:11] Speaker 1: They give you the sense of feeling. And so for example,
[3:41:14] Speaker 1: my brother, my oldest brother, when we were very young,
[3:41:18] Speaker 1: he went into the Air Force and unfortunately he got
[3:41:22] Speaker 1: a Coca cola addiction while he was there. But I
[3:41:25] Speaker 1: remember when he came home when he was discharged from
[3:41:27] Speaker 1: the military, he spent like every five minutes like checking
[3:41:34] Speaker 1: his nose, right because it turned out he lost all
[3:41:37] Speaker 1: feeling in his nose. He did so much that he
[3:41:40] Speaker 1: had to constantly sniff if he even thought he might
[3:41:43] Speaker 1: have a running nose because he didn't know he didn't
[3:41:45] Speaker 1: know if he had a running nose or not. Right though,
[3:41:47] Speaker 1: it really is like people joke, but it's actually a
[3:41:50] Speaker 1: real thing that happens. Like if you see somebody that
[3:41:53] Speaker 1: sniffs all the time for no reason, it could be
[3:41:57] Speaker 1: because they damaged some stuff in there. It's a real sign,
[3:42:00] Speaker 1: But I hope Rupert's not suffering from that. I would
[3:42:03] Speaker 1: not wish that kind of an addiction on anybody. It
[3:42:06] Speaker 1: was a horrible experience. River track Runner I think of
[3:42:10] Speaker 1: for the Superjet says he's so good we have to
[3:42:13] Speaker 1: be told instead of reading about his actions. Tail the Lord. Yeah,
[3:42:18] Speaker 1: isn't that the funny thing? Like God is so good,
[3:42:21] Speaker 1: he has to reiterate it to you. You can't just
[3:42:23] Speaker 1: determine it by based on his actions. Pretty crazy. Rose
[3:42:29] Speaker 1: ross rosst Rossetto's thank you for the Superchat Big w
[3:42:35] Speaker 1: on six sixty six says nothing has pushed me away
[3:42:37] Speaker 1: from religion more than a running nose brat panting on
[3:42:42] Speaker 1: a live stream. I know, Actually I couldn't tell. At
[3:42:44] Speaker 1: one point, I is he praying? Is he chanting? What's
[3:42:48] Speaker 1: happening right now? What is he doing?
[3:42:51] Speaker 4: I couldn't.
[3:42:54] Speaker 1: What's happening?
[3:42:57] Speaker 15: Like?
[3:42:57] Speaker 1: Did he have an out of body experience? Johanna says,
[3:43:00] Speaker 1: please use this dollars to send Rupert a box of tissues.
[3:43:04] Speaker 1: He needed some, Johannis and beautiful Cat too. He needed
[3:43:07] Speaker 1: some tissues, kleenics of Jesus.
[3:43:10] Speaker 3: You cannot have them both.
[3:43:12] Speaker 8: I know.
[3:43:14] Speaker 1: That is the case. That is the case, although if
[3:43:18] Speaker 1: I know anything about Christians, they're using a whole lot
[3:43:21] Speaker 1: of kleenics and lotion. They're just lying about it. Dank
[3:43:23] Speaker 1: Bird says, why is it never context when they cite versus?
[3:43:27] Speaker 1: I know, I read the verses bar for bar, and
[3:43:31] Speaker 1: they'll shout it's out of context, having no idea what
[3:43:34] Speaker 1: the context is, zero ideal what the context is. And Jessica,
[3:43:39] Speaker 1: good to see you think of says, what do Christians
[3:43:41] Speaker 1: expect us to think or feel when they say that
[3:43:44] Speaker 1: they struggle within unpleasant passage? Sympathy or mercy? Certainly not, Jessica,
[3:43:50] Speaker 1: but they do kind of feel like we should have
[3:43:53] Speaker 1: some reservation because they have reservation. Like listen, I realized
[3:43:58] Speaker 1: it's difficult, but please just have empathy that I believe
[3:44:01] Speaker 1: in this nonsensical thing. And it's difficult for me to
[3:44:03] Speaker 1: believe in this thing that doesn't make any sense. We
[3:44:06] Speaker 1: don't really have empathy for that. We should believe what's
[3:44:08] Speaker 1: sensible and godless. Great to see you, my friend, Thank
[3:44:11] Speaker 1: you for the two super says, put God in you,
[3:44:14] Speaker 1: get it, Diggity, I mean yes, deep inside of you,
[3:44:19] Speaker 1: so much so that he pierces your heart and Rory,
[3:44:24] Speaker 1: thank you for the dollar of forty nine. Super thanks,
[3:44:27] Speaker 1: and Johanness says God is the gunk under your fingernails pantheism.
[3:44:32] Speaker 1: I mean that's the case, right. If God is everything,
[3:44:35] Speaker 1: then he is your fingernail junk. He's your belly button lint,
[3:44:38] Speaker 1: he's your your anal cavity, whatever you want to put
[3:44:42] Speaker 1: in there. That's what God is. It's a really nonsensical view.
[3:44:45] Speaker 1: And nail that says, fuck yeah, em tagg it in
[3:44:49] Speaker 1: hit him with that stunner. EM's always does. EM's comes
[3:44:52] Speaker 1: in with a people's elbow from the top rope every time,
[3:44:56] Speaker 1: never fails. A Ale thirteen I eight K, thank you
[3:45:04] Speaker 1: for the Superjes says I can tell you how happy
[3:45:06] Speaker 1: I get. I can't tell you how happy I get
[3:45:09] Speaker 1: when I hear someone is Muslim and M's suddenly shows up.
[3:45:13] Speaker 1: We need an M signal. We have one. It's in
[3:45:15] Speaker 1: it's in the emojis. There's an m's bat signal. Also,
[3:45:19] Speaker 1: I'm a lesbian gay for Justin and rockhards for well,
[3:45:22] Speaker 1: thank you, I really appreciate that, and hell yeah, it's
[3:45:26] Speaker 1: it's amazing. The minute a caller comes in and says
[3:45:30] Speaker 1: I believe in a llah. You can just hear like
[3:45:33] Speaker 1: there need you know in WWF when you hear like
[3:45:36] Speaker 1: they're in the middle of doing something and you hear
[3:45:38] Speaker 1: the entrance music for somebody and you're like, you just
[3:45:41] Speaker 1: know that it's on and his name is Johnson. That's
[3:45:49] Speaker 1: basically every time we hear a Muslim, I just think
[3:45:57] Speaker 1: of John Cina And then the house baby, Uh, I
[3:46:06] Speaker 1: played too much? Boog it. Thank you for the superjest
[3:46:08] Speaker 1: says MS. Baba Booie. Will it happened someday? It might
[3:46:12] Speaker 1: happen today.
[3:46:13] Speaker 6: MS.
[3:46:14] Speaker 1: People have been asking now for a long time. Can
[3:46:17] Speaker 1: we get to EM's Baba booey?
[3:46:21] Speaker 15: What is that?
[3:46:23] Speaker 1: It's just a phrase, Oh you got it, booget, you
[3:46:30] Speaker 1: got it? Thank them, Ronie, thank you for the super Hi.
[3:46:39] Speaker 1: Oh yeah I do remember, Yeah it might be. And
[3:46:44] Speaker 1: then the other one from Mad Money, Jim Kramer always says,
[3:46:51] Speaker 1: what was Jim Kramer's punchline? You guys know it. I'm
[3:46:55] Speaker 1: sure any of the guys who who've ever been like
[3:46:59] Speaker 1: heavily involved in the financial world knows Jim Kramer his
[3:47:02] Speaker 1: Mad Money intro. Damn it. Now I'm gonna have to
[3:47:06] Speaker 1: look it up. All right Jim Ramer. Oh, bo yeah
[3:47:19] Speaker 1: yeah yeah, booh yeah yeah, yeah you're right. Boo yeah,
[3:47:22] Speaker 1: there we go. I knew it was similar. Booh yeah
[3:47:24] Speaker 1: yeah we got that, and yeah you're right. But double
[3:47:29] Speaker 1: donkey yeah uh. Jim Kramer is an idiot. He's an
[3:47:35] Speaker 1: entertaining idiot. I certainly wouldn't take all my financial advice
[3:47:38] Speaker 1: from Jim Kramer. Yato says, get me on the naughty list, daddy,
[3:47:42] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, rock hard for Doug Gabe for justin simply
[3:47:45] Speaker 1: what for shared long? Oh? Did I not read it?
[3:47:49] Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry. I'm so used to cycling.
[3:47:53] Speaker 1: You're right, Roney. I apologize I had distracted reading or
[3:47:57] Speaker 1: with with Jim Kramer. I didn't read You're super Chad.
[3:48:00] Speaker 1: Thank you for that. MS Roney said, almost missed. By
[3:48:04] Speaker 1: the way, does hi justin question for MS? Do Muslims
[3:48:08] Speaker 1: take the Nation of Islam seriously? Rock card? For dog
[3:48:11] Speaker 1: I take horizontal lovingly the Afternoon Show, I take it horizontal?
[3:48:16] Speaker 1: Oh oh you take it horizontal? Okay, all right? Look
[3:48:20] Speaker 1: about wow. Question for M so good question.
[3:48:26] Speaker 5: So nobody really knows anything about them. Basically, it's like
[3:48:30] Speaker 5: people who either like I've been in specific groups in
[3:48:34] Speaker 5: the US. Sorry that or people online, but in real life.
[3:48:38] Speaker 5: Nine Muslims. I've never even heard of them, and if
[3:48:43] Speaker 5: they were to hear of their ideas, they would be
[3:48:45] Speaker 5: wait next to me on the neck chopping block.
[3:48:50] Speaker 1: Is the nation of Islam kind of like the equivalent
[3:48:53] Speaker 1: of black Heber. Israel is for like Christianity.
[3:48:58] Speaker 5: Okay, they believe in like being wizardded as a black
[3:49:01] Speaker 5: man multiple times, et cetera.
[3:49:03] Speaker 1: Oh wow, what's a good time. Okay, thanks for that,
[3:49:09] Speaker 1: theantre says, get me on the nautilust Daddy Rock Harford
[3:49:13] Speaker 1: Gay for justin, simply for sharing and long live the
[3:49:15] Speaker 1: rocks of our foundation. Indeed, Yanto, indeed, and uh, I
[3:49:21] Speaker 1: feel like we need to add something in here for Crystal. Guys,
[3:49:24] Speaker 1: think of think of a good slogan and we can
[3:49:26] Speaker 1: added in for Crystal. Yanto also says EM's voice got
[3:49:30] Speaker 1: me pregnant. M's voice got me pregnant? If crazy, that's
[3:49:42] Speaker 1: good there. Actually, let me let me put that down
[3:49:47] Speaker 1: to see EM's we would say impregnated by ms.
[3:50:00] Speaker 3: So many people pregnant by you right now in the child.
[3:50:08] Speaker 1: Uh love s Gale, thank you for the super chat says,
[3:50:10] Speaker 1: I apologize about the broad question on Jayhu earlier. Uh,
[3:50:14] Speaker 1: they are saying that Trump is problem or a prophetic
[3:50:18] Speaker 1: prototype like Jay Who doing the same things. Oh, so
[3:50:23] Speaker 1: I think what you're trying to what you're trying to
[3:50:25] Speaker 1: say is that Trump is like a type of logical
[3:50:29] Speaker 1: fulfillment of the Jay Who personality type. Is what I'm
[3:50:35] Speaker 1: trying to say, which I mean, I guess I don't
[3:50:42] Speaker 1: understand the argument because I'm not a Christian. But like,
[3:50:46] Speaker 1: I so, like, what specifically do you think would be
[3:50:51] Speaker 1: typological about it, because like Jay Who did a lot
[3:50:54] Speaker 1: of shit, right, do you think that this is a
[3:50:58] Speaker 1: real thing or do you think that this is what
[3:51:00] Speaker 1: Christians are saying. I don't know. Let me know, it's
[3:51:08] Speaker 1: not that it's a broad question. It's just that we're
[3:51:10] Speaker 1: talking about the life of an individual and a life
[3:51:13] Speaker 1: of another individual. I think obviously they're gonna have some overlap,
[3:51:16] Speaker 1: but I guess I don't really know. I don't know
[3:51:19] Speaker 1: what the what the significance is, Like do they think that, hey, hey,
[3:51:26] Speaker 1: don't chew on those, You're gonna get electrocuted. Hey no, no, no, nope, nope,
[3:51:31] Speaker 1: no nobody, no, no, you're you're gonna get elextrocuted. No,
[3:51:35] Speaker 1: don't do that. No no, no, no, no, no no
[3:51:39] Speaker 1: no no no no no, no, no, no, no, no baby, nope,
[3:51:41] Speaker 1: no no, no, nope, no no, no electrocuted yourself. Don't
[3:51:46] Speaker 1: get electrocuted on livestream. Okay, we're not We're not having
[3:51:50] Speaker 1: any electrocutions today. That was bultitude, isn't it. It's always
[3:51:57] Speaker 1: Oh no, don't don't listen on me, do you No,
[3:52:00] Speaker 1: I'm not shot collaring my cat. I'm just keeping them
[3:52:03] Speaker 1: from getting themselves electrocuted. I know Volta wants to get electrocuted,
[3:52:08] Speaker 1: but we're not gonna let that happen. Oh boy, Volta,
[3:52:18] Speaker 1: what are you doing to the hat? Volta is a
[3:52:22] Speaker 1: hell raiser. He wants to do nothing but destroy everything
[3:52:26] Speaker 1: in the house. That's why I had to put you
[3:52:28] Speaker 1: see on this. I've got a bunch of stuff around
[3:52:30] Speaker 1: this Christmas tree now because Volta kept knocking it off
[3:52:34] Speaker 1: the shelf. Now I have to have like put a
[3:52:36] Speaker 1: barrier around it so that he knock off everything on
[3:52:40] Speaker 1: the shelf. Also, I did watch the Hassan video. Not
[3:52:46] Speaker 1: a fan of shot collars, I realized he says it's
[3:52:48] Speaker 1: not a shot collar. I've used vibrating collars, and I
[3:52:53] Speaker 1: don't find I've never seen a vibrating collar scare a
[3:52:57] Speaker 1: dog so bad that it yelped like that. It seems
[3:53:00] Speaker 1: like it was a real shock. But I could be wrong.
[3:53:02] Speaker 1: Maybe maybe the dog is a big baby and it
[3:53:05] Speaker 1: just you know what I mean, I don't know. I
[3:53:09] Speaker 1: didn't I didn't get good feelings.
[3:53:13] Speaker 2: Right, and I just.
[3:53:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I am hurt them and they don't like it,
[3:53:20] Speaker 3: so they usually just stop doing whatever we used.
[3:53:23] Speaker 1: To do when I was a kid, we used to
[3:53:25] Speaker 1: do a little bit of ammonia in a little bit
[3:53:30] Speaker 1: of water in a spray bottle and we we we
[3:53:32] Speaker 1: use that to as a pet deterrent. It worked pretty well. Yeah, anyways,
[3:53:41] Speaker 1: back at it, Mik good to see if Friends is
[3:53:44] Speaker 1: watching with subtitles. Looked away and when I looked back,
[3:53:48] Speaker 1: saw the word padeith disappearingly disappearing. Oh you saw the
[3:53:55] Speaker 1: word hadeeth disappearing. Thought, M's will be up any minute.
[3:53:59] Speaker 1: He was already there, Yeah he was listen. MS is
[3:54:03] Speaker 1: so good. He's got like precognition of when he needs
[3:54:06] Speaker 1: to be in the live stream. And Chris says, you
[3:54:09] Speaker 1: can touch them in its sad the prophet, but you
[3:54:14] Speaker 1: can touch them in it instead of the prophet.
[3:54:19] Speaker 3: In it, you know how like they say in the UK,
[3:54:22] Speaker 3: like in it in it.
[3:54:24] Speaker 1: Ah yeah, with the right Yeah yeah.
[3:54:28] Speaker 3: You know you can touch them in it, said the prophet.
[3:54:33] Speaker 1: I'm not I think you're right.
[3:54:37] Speaker 3: Do you know?
[3:54:38] Speaker 5: Here like the Mustly Mexican and a lot of British
[3:54:40] Speaker 5: people like they have a Musly mexicent you can hear it.
[3:54:44] Speaker 1: I definitely see a lot of the the Islamic callers
[3:54:49] Speaker 1: have a British accent, like not all of them are
[3:54:51] Speaker 1: from like Islamic or not all of them are currently living.
[3:54:54] Speaker 5: There then what I mean like a specific kind of
[3:54:57] Speaker 5: British accent.
[3:54:59] Speaker 1: Oh, I don't know if I if I'm that good.
[3:55:05] Speaker 8: It is.
[3:55:07] Speaker 1: You can definitely tell that it's a unique accent, but
[3:55:09] Speaker 1: it's hard for me to make it out because I
[3:55:11] Speaker 1: don't talk to it very much, not enough. Rather, No co, Hey,
[3:55:16] Speaker 1: good to see you, Noko. Thank you for sending out
[3:55:18] Speaker 1: five ds a bit membership. I appreciate that it's been
[3:55:20] Speaker 1: a minute. I hope you're doing well. No Co And
[3:55:24] Speaker 1: in Jerry Monday. There's a lot of time left. It's
[3:55:26] Speaker 1: only three o'clock, so there'd be a lot of debates.
[3:55:29] Speaker 1: I won't be debating later today, but it'll be a
[3:55:31] Speaker 1: lot of debates happening. Big Donut says, there's a Bible
[3:55:33] Speaker 1: passage where God says something like give me all my
[3:55:36] Speaker 1: good and evil deeds, but I can't find it. Am
[3:55:39] Speaker 1: I crazy? I mean there is like Isaiah forty five seven,
[3:55:43] Speaker 1: where God says that he's responsible for all the good
[3:55:47] Speaker 1: and the bad and everything in between. There's amos where
[3:55:51] Speaker 1: he says, does not disaster or does not evil befall
[3:55:54] Speaker 1: the city and not be from the Lord. The Hebrew
[3:55:58] Speaker 1: word raw is used there for evil or calamity. God
[3:56:02] Speaker 1: God tells you he's the cause of evil. Reverendate says,
[3:56:05] Speaker 1: how do we follow MS? I don't do TikTok? Well, unfortunately,
[3:56:09] Speaker 1: I think MS is only on TikTok for now unless MS.
[3:56:11] Speaker 1: Did you start a YouTube yet?
[3:56:13] Speaker 13: Not yet?
[3:56:14] Speaker 1: No, sounds like you need a TikTok. Reverendate, but don't worry,
[3:56:21] Speaker 1: He's going to be on my channel. Every time anyone
[3:56:24] Speaker 1: mentions the name Allah three times, it's like blady Mary.
[3:56:28] Speaker 1: Just a all a lot in MS appears, So, I mean,
[3:56:31] Speaker 1: what have them Juju says, could you turn ems up
[3:56:35] Speaker 1: on your stream? Unfortunately I can't. I I have no
[3:56:38] Speaker 1: mechanism unfortunately for controlling guest volume on TikTok, I can
[3:56:43] Speaker 1: only do it on YouTube guests. So that's just one
[3:56:46] Speaker 1: of those unfortunate things. Also, is that his cat in
[3:56:51] Speaker 1: the icon? If so, what's his name? That's a really
[3:56:54] Speaker 1: good question.
[3:56:54] Speaker 5: Ms I know, I hope a Look it was a
[3:56:57] Speaker 5: windom I can't online because they.
[3:57:01] Speaker 10: Do no.
[3:57:04] Speaker 1: Problem. The answer is no, but w dogs maybe Necro
[3:57:10] Speaker 1: nice name change. Thank you for the supertest says, are
[3:57:12] Speaker 1: you and Rabbi Singer going to do any more videos
[3:57:15] Speaker 1: discussing Old Testament prophecies?
[3:57:17] Speaker 13: Happy?
[3:57:18] Speaker 1: Howadays? Doug around the Christmas Tree?
[3:57:21] Speaker 4: We are?
[3:57:22] Speaker 1: I message him maybe a month or two ago, we
[3:57:24] Speaker 1: were talking and we do plan. He's traveling right now,
[3:57:27] Speaker 1: unless he's already back home. We do plan on getting
[3:57:31] Speaker 1: together to do more prophecies. Is just one of those
[3:57:34] Speaker 1: things where my schedule is kind of maxed and his
[3:57:36] Speaker 1: schedule's kind of max and we haven't made it around
[3:57:39] Speaker 1: to doing it yet. But I promise friend Rabbi and
[3:57:42] Speaker 1: I will be making some more videos debunking the Messianic
[3:57:45] Speaker 1: prophecies and the Bible Guy official. Good to see you, buddy,
[3:57:49] Speaker 1: Thank you for the supertest, says My favorite goddess is
[3:57:51] Speaker 1: afro Deity. Yes, she's nice in nude. I mean she's
[3:57:56] Speaker 1: if you look at most the representations, they don't leave
[3:57:59] Speaker 1: a whole lot to the imagination. In fact, when I
[3:58:03] Speaker 1: was in the sixth grade, we learned Greek mythology and
[3:58:06] Speaker 1: we read quite a few of the stories and we
[3:58:09] Speaker 1: got tasked for some reason in art class to draw
[3:58:13] Speaker 1: somebody from Greek mythology, and I got in trouble. I
[3:58:17] Speaker 1: got a detention for drawing Aphrodite. So I mean, I've
[3:58:21] Speaker 1: always been a little bit of a troublemaker. What are
[3:58:23] Speaker 1: you gonna do?
[3:58:23] Speaker 3: You were a little too accurate, is what the problem.
[3:58:27] Speaker 1: Listen, I gave I did the assignment? Did I not
[3:58:31] Speaker 1: do the assignment? Was it my fault? They weren't specific mcdave.
[3:58:38] Speaker 1: Thank you for the ten that I was superjes says
[3:58:39] Speaker 1: gh I just missed the live stream. I have enjoyed
[3:58:42] Speaker 1: watching your videos for a while now, prepping for the
[3:58:45] Speaker 1: next visit from the JW's well shit, let me know
[3:58:48] Speaker 1: how that goes. I love a good JW visit. They
[3:58:51] Speaker 1: stopped visiting my house. They don't come by here anymore,
[3:58:53] Speaker 1: which is unfortunate because well, I'd have a good I'd
[3:58:58] Speaker 1: have some lively discussion with them. And uh PJ Juster says,
[3:59:02] Speaker 1: let's make it religion like sports teams an annual draft
[3:59:05] Speaker 1: and nobody gets to dominate the rest of the league
[3:59:08] Speaker 1: for too long. Oh, that'd be interesting. I mean, to
[3:59:12] Speaker 1: be fair, it is kind of It is kind of
[3:59:16] Speaker 1: like that, except there's no draft. Like you get drafted
[3:59:18] Speaker 1: into the religion of the culture you were born into,
[3:59:22] Speaker 1: right like they choose you, you don't choose them. If
[3:59:27] Speaker 1: that makes sense.
[3:59:29] Speaker 3: Yes, Jesus be the quarterback or the tight end, that's all.
[3:59:33] Speaker 6: Mm hmmm.
[3:59:37] Speaker 1: No, Judas would be the tight end because he was
[3:59:39] Speaker 1: the bad boy. And yeah, I think that's the case.
[3:59:47] Speaker 1: He had the money maker Judas did. Jesus I assume
[3:59:52] Speaker 1: had good abs at least. I picture him as being
[3:59:55] Speaker 1: very scrawny, maybe having some decent abs. I heard the same.
[4:00:02] Speaker 1: What position would Jesus be on the football team If
[4:00:04] Speaker 1: I had to guess, hm hmmm, he would be the
[4:00:15] Speaker 1: water boy. He would absolutely be the water boy. I
[4:00:21] Speaker 1: know Christians would say he's a safety because Jesus saves.
[4:00:25] Speaker 1: But that's some bullshit. If he's a safety on a
[4:00:27] Speaker 1: football team, he's like the safety that like forgot what
[4:00:31] Speaker 1: play it was and has no idea where he's just
[4:00:34] Speaker 1: completely concussed for the entire play, although quarterback could fit
[4:00:38] Speaker 1: because Jesus is definitely concussed. Yes, literally, Jesus says, I'm
[4:00:42] Speaker 1: at work welding with you in my hood. Hell yeah,
[4:00:45] Speaker 1: fucking right. I'm laying down some hoares and verts welds
[4:00:49] Speaker 1: for Doug Hail the Rock and his horse like a mission.
[4:00:52] Speaker 1: That's what I'm talking about. Literally, Jesus laying down a
[4:00:56] Speaker 1: bead for Doug. That's what I'm talking about that.
[4:01:00] Speaker 6: Thank you.
[4:01:02] Speaker 1: And Peepop Fairy thinking for the ten they're supertest is
[4:01:04] Speaker 1: letter carrier here? Oh interesting? I think that means you're
[4:01:09] Speaker 1: not in America because we don't use that phrase anymore here.
[4:01:11] Speaker 1: I feel like there's more of a UK phrases. People
[4:01:13] Speaker 1: don't wait in line to pick up a missed packet
[4:01:17] Speaker 1: for the Peter Box or maybe you're not. Also, Amazon
[4:01:22] Speaker 1: packages will always be left even if there's no secure
[4:01:25] Speaker 1: location because that's how they contract us. Oh interesting, Okay, okay,
[4:01:33] Speaker 1: peepop very I think I'm convinced.
[4:01:34] Speaker 3: Going to a private PO box would be better, you know,
[4:01:39] Speaker 3: because they are not contracted the same and so they'll
[4:01:42] Speaker 3: secure your packages better instead.
[4:01:45] Speaker 1: I think you're right. I have to check about in Carnage.
[4:01:50] Speaker 1: Great to see you. Thank you so much for the supertest.
[4:01:52] Speaker 1: So the supernatural doesn't exist as a stream prompt to
[4:01:56] Speaker 1: attract WO merchants. Perhaps I love this idea. In fact,
[4:02:00] Speaker 1: I'm writing it down right now, so we say the
[4:02:04] Speaker 1: supernatural does not exist. This reminds me of our good
[4:02:11] Speaker 1: old friend Cocoa Medic used to do a live stream
[4:02:16] Speaker 1: called the Skep Tank and he was basically eliciting callers
[4:02:23] Speaker 1: to call in and give their WU experiences and it
[4:02:27] Speaker 1: was pretty wild. But you're right, I think this type
[4:02:30] Speaker 1: of a topic could draw them in. The supernatural doesn't
[4:02:33] Speaker 1: exist because they don't always associate God in their worldview,
[4:02:37] Speaker 1: but they love talking about supernatural stuff, dreams, cognition, all
[4:02:43] Speaker 1: kinds of WU. We'll make that a reality, Carnage. We're
[4:02:46] Speaker 1: going to do it just for you. And GP says, yes,
[4:02:49] Speaker 1: you can't understand the mind of God is a cop out.
[4:02:52] Speaker 1: It's weird how when they're preaching or trying to claim
[4:02:56] Speaker 1: objective moral standard they somehow understand the mind of God.
[4:03:00] Speaker 1: Isn't it wild? The dumber standards crazy. You can't understand
[4:03:04] Speaker 1: the mind of God when you judge his behavior. I, however,
[4:03:08] Speaker 1: can understand the mind of God because I said so,
[4:03:11] Speaker 1: because I need my religion to be true and Rob
[4:03:15] Speaker 1: thank you for the SUPERTESTE considering having a one minute
[4:03:18] Speaker 1: timer that starts with a straight pretzel stick and twists
[4:03:21] Speaker 1: itself into a typical pretzel shape and done times up.
[4:03:25] Speaker 1: So this is actually a really interesting thought. I could
[4:03:29] Speaker 1: do an animation of making a pretzel where I have
[4:03:34] Speaker 1: it timed out to like one minute, so that we
[4:03:37] Speaker 1: can literally watch people. We can time people turning themselves
[4:03:41] Speaker 1: into pretzels according to the pretzel timer in real time.
[4:03:45] Speaker 17: I like that.
[4:03:46] Speaker 4: Let me do.
[4:03:48] Speaker 1: Give them some good ideas in here. Pretzel timer in
[4:03:52] Speaker 1: the works and that as thank you for the ten
[4:03:56] Speaker 1: that war Superjestice. Thanks for the compliment on my cat
[4:03:58] Speaker 1: the other night. Well it's a beautiful cay. My profile
[4:04:01] Speaker 1: picture is my cat Tinker All what a cute name too.
[4:04:04] Speaker 1: She was twenty two years old. Dude, that is a
[4:04:08] Speaker 1: rock hard cat. Twenty two years old. Rock hard for Doug,
[4:04:12] Speaker 1: simply what for Sharon? Also, you can tell me you
[4:04:14] Speaker 1: can call me Vas in case you forgot I did remember, Vass.
[4:04:17] Speaker 1: See what I did there? I called you Vas because
[4:04:19] Speaker 1: I remember sometimes I remember. But yeah, beautiful kitty, and uh,
[4:04:24] Speaker 1: I'm so happy that you got your cat for twenty
[4:04:26] Speaker 1: two years. I hope my kittens can stick around for
[4:04:29] Speaker 1: twenty two years. And ice Cream Assassin is still one
[4:04:32] Speaker 1: of my favorite names ever on the Internet. Because if
[4:04:35] Speaker 1: lights are led, they're low voltage and won't get hurt.
[4:04:39] Speaker 1: So the lights are led. I don't know what voltage
[4:04:43] Speaker 1: they are, whether in fact they're five volts. I forget
[4:04:47] Speaker 1: if they're USB powered or not, or if they're twelve
[4:04:50] Speaker 1: volts or nineteen volts. But the reality is if they're
[4:04:54] Speaker 1: nineteen volts, and they're certainly not going to be they're
[4:04:58] Speaker 1: certainly not going to be like a high current passing
[4:05:03] Speaker 1: through them, but at nineteen volts, and it is connected
[4:05:06] Speaker 1: to a power box that has a brain in it
[4:05:09] Speaker 1: that controls the lights, and I don't know how much
[4:05:12] Speaker 1: of the circuit goes back to the power box, but
[4:05:14] Speaker 1: if there's like some capacitors in there, or even a
[4:05:17] Speaker 1: transformer with a cap on it. The reality is even
[4:05:21] Speaker 1: at nineteen volts, you can get yourself a little pop
[4:05:24] Speaker 1: if you've got if your mouth is on it. So
[4:05:27] Speaker 1: I certainly I get it. The risk is low, especially
[4:05:31] Speaker 1: on a DC circuit, but I certainly don't want my
[4:05:34] Speaker 1: cats doing on anything with voltage going through it, whether
[4:05:38] Speaker 1: it's a low voltage DC circuit or it's an AC circuit.
[4:05:43] Speaker 1: I get it, though, I get it. Ice Cream and
[4:05:46] Speaker 1: Reverence says, a vibrating collar is not meant for dogs.
[4:05:49] Speaker 1: Come on, justin, come on, man, you know that. Wait, well,
[4:05:52] Speaker 1: a vibrant Oh, I see what you're saying. A different
[4:05:57] Speaker 1: vibrating collar. I see, I see what you did there. Okay,
[4:06:03] Speaker 1: all right, I mean you, Space Lord, thank you for
[4:06:09] Speaker 1: the five dollars. Super Chest says it's interesting to read
[4:06:12] Speaker 1: about Ferricon and Malcolm X in the NOL Nation of Islam.
[4:06:18] Speaker 1: X's ending was encouraged by Pharacon. Can't believe he's still around.
[4:06:22] Speaker 1: Actually didn't know that they encourage violence against each other.
[4:06:26] Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't surprise me. Religion and extremists are
[4:06:29] Speaker 1: are always okay with violence, never against them, but against others.
[4:06:33] Speaker 1: That's why it's so why it's so toxic? And William,
[4:06:38] Speaker 1: thank you for the six sixty six is I recommend
[4:06:40] Speaker 1: bitter apple spray to keep kiddies from chewing on cords.
[4:06:43] Speaker 1: You just spray it on a paper towel and apply
[4:06:45] Speaker 1: it to your electrical chords. Work straight. Well, bitter apple
[4:06:48] Speaker 1: spray is actually a really good idea because they didn't
[4:06:52] Speaker 1: like bitter stuff. Oh, I never thought about bitter apple spray.
[4:06:55] Speaker 1: Hold on, I'm going to go to Amazon real quick
[4:07:01] Speaker 1: and see if they have any on Amazon. I bet
[4:07:03] Speaker 1: they do. See, I bet they do, and they do.
[4:07:12] Speaker 1: They've got bitter Apple spray four pets on Amazon. William,
[4:07:16] Speaker 1: this is a great suggestion. I'll be doing this a day.
[4:07:22] Speaker 1: And God's Sinner amazing name. Thank you for the ten
[4:07:24] Speaker 1: do Wars. Super chest says. My favorite goddess is Persephone.
[4:07:27] Speaker 1: Ah yeah, she got she really got raw dogged. There
[4:07:31] Speaker 1: are some older texts they might suggest she was the
[4:07:34] Speaker 1: only ruler of the underworld and Hades was added later.
[4:07:38] Speaker 1: I mean you might be right. Ps MS is awesome
[4:07:42] Speaker 1: from Carra Kell or carakel in mere Apps. Well, thank
[4:07:45] Speaker 1: you for that, super Chat and yes EMS is awesome,
[4:07:49] Speaker 1: and Persephone is pretty dope actually, but you're right. I
[4:07:52] Speaker 1: think her story was modified later. The milk Muffin thank
[4:07:57] Speaker 1: you for the ten dollars super chest, says one of
[4:07:59] Speaker 1: my favorite channels. Happy to tune in to the stream today. Well,
[4:08:02] Speaker 1: thank you, milch Muffin. I appreciate that. I'm sad to
[4:08:05] Speaker 1: tell you that you super chetted at three oh eight
[4:08:07] Speaker 1: and we're now ending the live stream, but I'll be
[4:08:10] Speaker 1: live again Wednesday, friends, So come on back on Wednesday
[4:08:14] Speaker 1: and we'll do some more cooking ems. Crystal, thank you
[4:08:19] Speaker 1: so much for joining me. I really appreciate you, guys.
[4:08:22] Speaker 1: And uh, look out for Crystal going live this week,
[4:08:25] Speaker 1: and look out for ms popping up literally on every
[4:08:28] Speaker 1: live stream where a lah is ever mentioned. So Crystal,
[4:08:33] Speaker 1: can youll me here? Crystal, can you do an announcement
[4:08:39] Speaker 1: information for our season of reason that you've put together?
[4:08:44] Speaker 3: Sure? Absolutely, you guys. If you are a member of
[4:08:47] Speaker 3: the Deconstruction Junction Discord and you're needing a little help,
[4:08:51] Speaker 3: we know that it's been just tough financially out there,
[4:08:54] Speaker 3: and so amazing donors have donated forty dollars for GIF
[4:08:59] Speaker 3: cars for members of our community, and you can apply
[4:09:03] Speaker 3: in the Discord at the Season of Reason channel, And
[4:09:08] Speaker 3: if you are a parent or a caretaker of a
[4:09:11] Speaker 3: child eighteen years or younger and you need a little
[4:09:14] Speaker 3: help out this season with some gifts, you can put
[4:09:18] Speaker 3: your Amazon wishless for the children in the Gift of
[4:09:22] Speaker 3: Joy channel on the discord. The link to the Deconstruction
[4:09:26] Speaker 3: Junction discord is in my bio. It's absolutely free to join.
[4:09:30] Speaker 3: And this is just another wonderful way that our community
[4:09:34] Speaker 3: is helping out other people in our community during this time.
[4:09:39] Speaker 1: Love it, Thank you, Crystal, our friends. Who's live right
[4:09:42] Speaker 1: now that we can go?
[4:09:43] Speaker 19: Raid?
[4:09:43] Speaker 1: Is Christ prefer Jesus live? Who's live?
[4:09:48] Speaker 4: We go?
[4:09:49] Speaker 1: Check tic tac dot com.
[4:09:51] Speaker 3: The Season of Reason is for us only right now
[4:09:54] Speaker 3: because it is a US Walmart gift card, So unfortunately
[4:09:59] Speaker 3: this program is for us only, but we hope to
[4:10:04] Speaker 3: have other programs where we can help people all over
[4:10:07] Speaker 3: the world. This was our very first program as a
[4:10:09] Speaker 3: nonprofit organization, and so it was kind of.
[4:10:13] Speaker 1: Just to get our feet wet okay, okay.
[4:10:16] Speaker 3: Verify is on do you know trust but Verify I do?
[4:10:21] Speaker 3: This is amazing.
[4:10:23] Speaker 1: He's also on YouTube now, isn't he?
[4:10:26] Speaker 3: Yes?
[4:10:27] Speaker 1: He is, So we can send YouTube. Yeah, we can
[4:10:31] Speaker 1: send the TikTok audience and the YouTube audience over to
[4:10:35] Speaker 1: Trust but verify. I'm going to show you guys his
[4:10:38] Speaker 1: YouTube profile real quick, because I know he's on my YouTube. Guys,
[4:10:46] Speaker 1: let's go raid Trust but verify. He's on YouTube and
[4:10:49] Speaker 1: on TikTok. His handle is one word trust but verify.
[4:10:53] Speaker 1: There's twenty nine people watching right now. He's asking what's
[4:10:57] Speaker 1: the best evidence that your God is not evil? So
[4:10:59] Speaker 1: the same fucking topic. I cannot wait for this. Let's
[4:11:02] Speaker 1: go raid Trust but verify. We have to get at
[4:11:06] Speaker 1: least one hundred people in this live stream. He's at
[4:11:08] Speaker 1: twenty eight. Now, let's go raid Trust but verify. Make
[4:11:12] Speaker 1: it huge. Let's let's get a huge wave of people
[4:11:16] Speaker 1: over at Trust but Verify. His channel's new, he's only
[4:11:20] Speaker 1: got five hundred something subscribers. Let's bump it up. Let's
[4:11:24] Speaker 1: go over there. Everyone drop him a follow. Let's get
[4:11:26] Speaker 1: him over a thousand subscribers. Now that he's on YouTube,
[4:11:30] Speaker 1: let's get in this live stream. Let's make it popping.
[4:11:32] Speaker 1: Let's pop it off. Guys. He's a he's a friend
[4:11:35] Speaker 1: of all of us.
[4:11:38] Speaker 3: He is so cool, calm, collected and he's very knowledgeable
[4:11:43] Speaker 3: about science, the Bible, everything. He's amazing.
[4:11:46] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a really cool dude. I like him a lot.
[4:11:49] Speaker 1: Yes indeed. All right, friends, I'll see you over at
[4:11:52] Speaker 1: trust but Verify's house. Thank you for being here, love y'all,
[4:11:56] Speaker 1: and we'll see you again Wednesday.

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