# 2025-04-11 LIVE DEBATE \[God is Imaginary\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 11 Sep 2025, 2 h 04 min.

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## Transcript

[0:11] Speaker 1: Okay, let's see if this works one second. One second
[0:25] Speaker 1: might be back.
[0:30] Speaker 2: Okay, sorry about that, guys.
[0:31] Speaker 1: My my cat thinks that the cables coming out of
[0:38] Speaker 1: the outlet on the wall are toys and pulled the
[0:43] Speaker 1: plug right out of the wall.
[0:45] Speaker 2: My cat was.
[0:48] Speaker 1: My cat pie was playing with the cables and decided
[0:50] Speaker 1: to pull the whole plug out of the wall. So
[0:56] Speaker 1: oh boy, so much for that. Sorry about that, guys.
[1:01] Speaker 1: One second, let me see if the if the YouTube
[1:07] Speaker 1: stream is back up, we'll see real quick, Hey, doctor Joe,
[1:15] Speaker 1: Sorry about that.
[1:16] Speaker 3: I am so tempted to make a joke about a
[1:19] Speaker 3: word crude word around cats right now, but I won't.
[1:23] Speaker 1: So it shows that I'm live on YouTube, but I
[1:26] Speaker 1: don't know where the live stream is. Let me see
[1:29] Speaker 1: if I can find it. Here, There we go, shows
[1:34] Speaker 1: we're online. Here, there we go. I found it. Let
[1:37] Speaker 1: me make sure it's actually connected. I'm to get the
[1:41] Speaker 1: chat window back open again. Sorry about that, guys. Had
[1:45] Speaker 1: a little bit of a little bit of a mishap there.
[1:49] Speaker 1: My cat pie decided to unplug my entire electrical cable
[1:57] Speaker 1: from the from the wall because.
[2:00] Speaker 2: He thought it was a toy and it's not so
[2:06] Speaker 2: but we are back.
[2:07] Speaker 1: Give me just a second. All right, we're back, and
[2:32] Speaker 1: I did plug in. I did just plug in the
[2:36] Speaker 1: Ethernet cable, so we're not running on Wi Fi. That
[2:39] Speaker 1: should fix things up. Guys. Let me, uh, let me
[2:43] Speaker 1: know if it's still laggy on you or I or
[2:46] Speaker 1: if it picks up. Let me check my phone real
[2:49] Speaker 1: quick to see if everything's good to go on my phone.
[2:54] Speaker 1: One second.
[2:59] Speaker 2: Those darn cats.
[3:02] Speaker 1: I love my cat, but he gets into a little
[3:05] Speaker 1: bit of trouble every once in a while. I think
[3:08] Speaker 1: we should be good to go. It looks a little
[3:10] Speaker 1: bit leggy on YouTube, but it might just be a
[3:13] Speaker 1: delayed signal. So we'll see. Uh, we'll see if that
[3:16] Speaker 1: clears up. We'll give it a we'll give it a
[3:19] Speaker 1: shot to clear up. I'm gonna open up the guest
[3:21] Speaker 1: box again.
[3:23] Speaker 2: On YouTube. Okay, guest boxes.
[3:40] Speaker 1: Open again, and we got a doctor Joe with us.
[3:44] Speaker 2: Still, let me open the guest box on TikTok. There
[3:48] Speaker 2: we go. TikTok's open bout it being bad to.
[3:51] Speaker 1: Boom and we're back at it. Guys, thanks for being patient.
[3:56] Speaker 1: I don't know what happened to the guest that was
[3:57] Speaker 1: with us. I suspect that guests at the drop. But
[4:01] Speaker 1: we've got doctor Joe with a still and we've got
[4:03] Speaker 1: Zeal with us. How you doing, Zeal?
[4:07] Speaker 4: I'm doing good.
[4:08] Speaker 2: How are you doing good?
[4:09] Speaker 1: Thank you for asking, Zeal. Give me just one second
[4:13] Speaker 1: to set up my screen real quick. I had to
[4:15] Speaker 1: reopen all my programs because my cat took my computer
[4:19] Speaker 1: down for a second. Yeah, woll Light mammoth is asking
[4:24] Speaker 1: what happened? Give me a second to set up my
[4:27] Speaker 1: chat box so you guys can see the chat windows.
[4:31] Speaker 1: Sorry about that.
[4:32] Speaker 2: There you go.
[4:33] Speaker 1: I said, did the arc of the Covenant capacity to
[4:35] Speaker 1: give out? That's what it was. It was that I
[4:39] Speaker 1: bet the arc of the Covenant over here and it
[4:41] Speaker 1: finally gave up the ghost and Rachelle welcome to the
[4:44] Speaker 1: crack and cruell ye big w Rochelle. I think that
[4:47] Speaker 1: is that what Rachelle Will talked to earlier and Aaron
[4:49] Speaker 1: says blaming cats the.
[4:50] Speaker 2: Story and stuff. Listen, that's really what happened. My cat
[4:54] Speaker 2: did it.
[4:55] Speaker 1: I actually thought at first of my power just flickered off,
[4:58] Speaker 1: because last night when I was at sleep, the power
[5:01] Speaker 1: in my neighborhood did go down, and it went down
[5:03] Speaker 1: for the entire day. It didn't come up until like
[5:06] Speaker 1: four or five o'clock today. The house just had barely
[5:09] Speaker 1: enough time to heat back up before I started my
[5:11] Speaker 1: live stream, so I was like, shit, the power went
[5:13] Speaker 1: out again. But I looked over and it was just
[5:15] Speaker 1: the Is this the cat playing with the wall? The
[5:18] Speaker 1: outlet in the wall? Anyways, zeal are you at least
[5:21] Speaker 1: eighteen and are you a believer?
[5:24] Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm twenty seven and I am a believer.
[5:28] Speaker 1: Awesome in which God do you believe in?
[5:32] Speaker 4: I believe in the Christian God. And the first thing
[5:36] Speaker 4: I want to say to you is like, I'm not
[5:38] Speaker 4: here to preach to you or to try to convert you,
[5:43] Speaker 4: or to just have an argument with you. I'm just
[5:48] Speaker 4: here to kind of give you a different perspective.
[5:51] Speaker 2: I guess, a different perspective than.
[5:53] Speaker 4: What well I am, you know, pretty hardcore Christian. However,
[6:01] Speaker 4: I think that Christianity has a lot of problems. And
[6:06] Speaker 4: I think that the biggest problem that Christianity has is
[6:09] Speaker 4: that it has become a fable. Literally, the stories are
[6:17] Speaker 4: so misunderstood that it's literally become a fable. You know,
[6:25] Speaker 4: people just listen to what the preacher says and the
[6:29] Speaker 4: preacher heard it from his preacher, who has heard it
[6:32] Speaker 4: from his preacher, and it's like it's all fake, like
[6:36] Speaker 4: it's all cultural.
[6:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, it's all fake. Yeah, but you didn't, like,
[6:41] Speaker 1: you didn't learn it from your preacher. You learned it
[6:43] Speaker 1: by reading it yourself in your bedroom or that's right, Okay,
[6:48] Speaker 1: so you got the real truth, you didn't learn it
[6:49] Speaker 1: from a professional.
[6:52] Speaker 4: Well, here's how I think it works. Uh, they read
[7:00] Speaker 4: the scriptures and then they try to make sense of
[7:03] Speaker 4: it whichever way they think. And they've been spewing this stuff.
[7:08] Speaker 2: Well some pastors, do you know some pastors actually go
[7:11] Speaker 2: to school.
[7:11] Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, but even though they go to school, it's
[7:15] Speaker 4: still cultural, like its cultural teachings.
[7:17] Speaker 2: What do you think they study weather at school?
[7:20] Speaker 4: What's that?
[7:21] Speaker 1: What do you think they study weather in seminary?
[7:25] Speaker 4: All kinds of stuff, anything that would.
[7:27] Speaker 2: Be helpful to interpreting the Bible.
[7:30] Speaker 4: Sorry, can you repeat that again?
[7:32] Speaker 1: Yeah, anything that would be helpful for interpreting the Bible.
[7:34] Speaker 5: You think.
[7:39] Speaker 4: I actually went to seminary myself.
[7:42] Speaker 2: And which one do you go to?
[7:47] Speaker 4: Do you know the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter
[7:50] Speaker 4: day Saints?
[7:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, you went to BYU or a different one.
[7:54] Speaker 4: No, I didn't go to BYU. Just in in my
[7:58] Speaker 4: area they would do seminary.
[8:00] Speaker 2: What's the name of it?
[8:01] Speaker 4: And so just like seminary class, that's what it's called.
[8:06] Speaker 4: It's not like in a what's the name of the school? No,
[8:10] Speaker 4: it's actually a church.
[8:12] Speaker 2: Oh so you didn't go to seminary, you just went
[8:14] Speaker 2: to church.
[8:15] Speaker 4: Well it is seminary, like it is a class that
[8:18] Speaker 4: would be taught in an actual school, but it's just
[8:22] Speaker 4: taught for all the regular kids, like it's stopped to teenagers.
[8:27] Speaker 4: Does that make sense?
[8:28] Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't sound like seminary to me. How many
[8:30] Speaker 1: credit hours did it take to get your degree?
[8:34] Speaker 4: So like it's not for that.
[8:38] Speaker 1: Oh so it's not a seminary. Then sounds like a
[8:43] Speaker 1: Bible study.
[8:45] Speaker 4: Well, it's not credited, so.
[8:46] Speaker 2: You definitely didn't go to seminary. Then sounds like Sunday.
[8:49] Speaker 1: School, my friend, I went to Sunday School for a
[8:52] Speaker 1: long time too before I went to seminary.
[8:55] Speaker 4: Well, it's a lot deeper than Sunday School, like wad
[8:59] Speaker 4: I'm sure is way way way deeper.
[9:02] Speaker 1: Did you did you learn any extra biblical literature that
[9:06] Speaker 1: would help you to interpret the Bible, like, did you
[9:09] Speaker 1: read any ancient New Years Stern texts?
[9:14] Speaker 4: No? Not really.
[9:15] Speaker 2: Did you learn Greek or Hebrew?
[9:18] Speaker 4: Not quite No?
[9:20] Speaker 1: Did you read any supporting books from the culture like
[9:23] Speaker 1: Filo or Josephus.
[9:27] Speaker 4: Not those specific ones.
[9:29] Speaker 2: But I hate to break it to you.
[9:30] Speaker 1: Then you didn't go to seminary.
[9:33] Speaker 4: Well, that's how we call it. I guess so I wasn't.
[9:39] Speaker 4: I wasn't thinking exactly about what you were meaning by that.
[9:44] Speaker 4: But I personally have studied many other religions myself, and
[9:53] Speaker 4: I actually went away from this church for many years.
[9:57] Speaker 4: But here's the the different view that I want to
[10:01] Speaker 4: give you is that have you seen those videos. I
[10:07] Speaker 4: know this is going to sound weird, but the way
[10:10] Speaker 4: I look at Christianity is very different than most people,
[10:13] Speaker 4: and most Christians would actually say that I'm blasphemous for
[10:17] Speaker 4: saying this, but I don't really care. Did you see
[10:21] Speaker 4: those videos of the United States government showing like UFOs
[10:25] Speaker 4: flying around and stuff.
[10:27] Speaker 2: No, I don't believe they did.
[10:30] Speaker 4: No.
[10:31] Speaker 1: I think that's just I read the sixty four page
[10:34] Speaker 1: paper that was written by the government, by the committee
[10:40] Speaker 1: that did the investigations. I'm not aware that they published
[10:43] Speaker 1: any videos.
[10:46] Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, so there's like there was three videos up
[10:51] Speaker 4: to last year.
[10:52] Speaker 1: Now there's Do you believe in aliens?
[10:55] Speaker 4: Yeah? Yeah, I absolutely believe in aliens.
[10:59] Speaker 1: And here's how many gods believe in.
[11:03] Speaker 4: I believe in one God.
[11:04] Speaker 1: Okay, and he created the aliens andings.
[11:09] Speaker 6: Uh.
[11:11] Speaker 4: Yeah, I believe that he is an alien. Actually, oh
[11:15] Speaker 4: he is. I believe that he is the most advanced
[11:19] Speaker 4: alien of all.
[11:21] Speaker 2: Did he create? Did he create all the aliens?
[11:25] Speaker 4: Uh? I believe that he has created his own sphere
[11:35] Speaker 4: of creation and that others have created their own spheres.
[11:39] Speaker 1: Right, So this is like part of the Mormonism Many
[11:43] Speaker 1: Gods a situation.
[11:46] Speaker 4: Uh yeah. However, you know, when we think about aliens,
[11:51] Speaker 4: we think about the green being that is, you know,
[11:54] Speaker 4: in a UFO and stuff. But they can be all
[11:58] Speaker 4: kinds of ways. And we're talking about a kind of
[12:02] Speaker 4: being that is has a biological technology that is so
[12:07] Speaker 4: advanced that it makes.
[12:09] Speaker 1: It looks like where is he? Where's the God?
[12:16] Speaker 4: Well, he actually lives somewhere in space, like on colab
[12:21] Speaker 4: or somewhere in the cosmos on a different planet. Yeah,
[12:27] Speaker 4: I see that, you know quite a bit. But Colob
[12:31] Speaker 4: is a star that is near to God's living place.
[12:37] Speaker 1: It's not where he actually. Can you live on a star?
[12:42] Speaker 4: Yeah, we we live in a planet.
[12:44] Speaker 2: Do you know what stars are made out of?
[12:48] Speaker 4: Yeah, there's all kinds of planets and stars in the cosmos.
[12:52] Speaker 2: I mean, do you know what stars do?
[12:56] Speaker 7: Yeah?
[12:57] Speaker 4: They're stars? Are they are.
[13:01] Speaker 2: A giant ball of plasma?
[13:04] Speaker 4: Yes? But they're becoming something.
[13:06] Speaker 1: Do you think that that anything can survive being inside
[13:10] Speaker 1: of a ball of plasma?
[13:13] Speaker 4: No? But do you believe in evolution?
[13:16] Speaker 1: That's not even remotely related to what we're talking about.
[13:19] Speaker 1: I'm suggesting that believing that somebody lives on coal lob
[13:23] Speaker 1: and coal lob is a star and stars are in
[13:26] Speaker 1: fact plasma is a crazy take.
[13:31] Speaker 4: Well do you believe in evolution?
[13:33] Speaker 2: Are you going to answer my question?
[13:36] Speaker 4: What's your question?
[13:37] Speaker 2: Can anything live on a star?
[13:41] Speaker 4: I have no idea.
[13:43] Speaker 2: The answer is no, Well, we don't know that. I
[13:46] Speaker 2: think we do.
[13:48] Speaker 4: Yeah, we really we can't know that.
[13:50] Speaker 1: No, we absolutely do know that. We know that that
[13:53] Speaker 1: anything in human form, anything that we've witnessed, even anything
[13:57] Speaker 1: in our solar system, if it was on the Sun,
[14:01] Speaker 1: it would be annihilated.
[14:04] Speaker 4: Yeah. So, like you said, everything that we've witnessed.
[14:08] Speaker 1: Oh right, okay, so yeah, you believe in things that
[14:11] Speaker 1: we've never seen before. But why would I believe in
[14:14] Speaker 1: things we've never seen before?
[14:17] Speaker 4: Well, because, for example, matter is something that man has
[14:20] Speaker 4: never seen before until fairly recent.
[14:23] Speaker 1: Matter. We're literally all of us are matter. This can't
[14:26] Speaker 1: be real, doctor Joe? Is this guy for real? What's
[14:30] Speaker 1: happening right now? Am I in crazy ville?
[14:33] Speaker 4: I'm talking about cells?
[14:34] Speaker 1: Matter? You said matter? We are matter. Everything's made of matter.
[14:37] Speaker 1: We've been touching matter the entire time we've been alive.
[14:42] Speaker 4: Okay, so so specifically something like a cell.
[14:47] Speaker 2: Okay, we're made of cells.
[14:49] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, but we couldn't see that before. We didn't
[14:52] Speaker 4: know that cell was a science part of truth, and
[14:56] Speaker 4: that our body has billions and billions of them, and
[15:00] Speaker 4: that they control everything in our body. We didn't know that, however,
[15:04] Speaker 4: it was true, and so just because we can't see it,
[15:06] Speaker 4: it doesn't mean it's not true.
[15:08] Speaker 1: For example, Yeah, but people as early as the ancient
[15:12] Speaker 1: Greeks were positing that the human body was actually made
[15:14] Speaker 1: up of smaller and smaller particles that you just couldn't
[15:17] Speaker 1: see with your eyeball, Like that's that's not something we
[15:21] Speaker 1: like we were we just figured out recently. But that's
[15:24] Speaker 1: also irrelevant. We're talking about whether or not like we
[15:26] Speaker 1: should believe in a deity, right, So so what would
[15:31] Speaker 1: be what would be the reason to believe in any
[15:34] Speaker 1: of these ridiculous deity concepts?
[15:37] Speaker 4: So, like I said to you, I just want to
[15:40] Speaker 4: give you a new view of things, which is, actually,
[15:45] Speaker 4: you can't say that God is imaginary. You cannot. I
[15:49] Speaker 4: can't aim that.
[15:50] Speaker 1: I can't.
[15:51] Speaker 4: I mean I did, you can, but you can, but
[15:53] Speaker 4: it doesn't mean that.
[15:54] Speaker 1: It's My claim is very simple. Like the God that
[15:58] Speaker 1: you follow, you could only demonstrate ever to live in
[16:01] Speaker 1: your head and not anywhere else.
[16:03] Speaker 2: That's why his imaginary.
[16:05] Speaker 1: Also, do you know what the phrase hyper human means?
[16:09] Speaker 6: Uh?
[16:11] Speaker 4: Yeah, I think it has a certain meaning.
[16:14] Speaker 2: Why what do you think a hyperhuman is.
[16:22] Speaker 4: A human who is at its max potential?
[16:28] Speaker 2: Do you think they exist?
[16:32] Speaker 6: Uh?
[16:33] Speaker 4: Not completely, because I mean we'd have to be perfect
[16:37] Speaker 4: in order for them to exist, and we're not.
[16:42] Speaker 2: Do you think they will exist?
[16:46] Speaker 4: Possibly? I think that with Ai it's Ai, and with
[16:52] Speaker 4: God it's very possible that.
[16:53] Speaker 1: Yes, you believe lizard people.
[16:59] Speaker 4: Uh No, I don't believe in the lizard people. I mean,
[17:02] Speaker 4: it's a it's a possibility, but I wouldn't say I
[17:05] Speaker 4: believe in it. I just don't know. There's so much
[17:10] Speaker 4: that I don't know.
[17:11] Speaker 1: Do you think that people in Washington, DC are kidnapping
[17:14] Speaker 1: children to drink their blood and so they can get
[17:17] Speaker 1: the adrenochrome?
[17:19] Speaker 4: No, I don't think.
[17:22] Speaker 5: So.
[17:23] Speaker 2: Okay, that's checking.
[17:25] Speaker 1: News, right. I was wondering how far this was going
[17:28] Speaker 1: to go, you know what I mean.
[17:31] Speaker 4: I have studied a lot of about UFOs, you know,
[17:38] Speaker 4: and usually there's something that is going on that's just
[17:42] Speaker 4: very very strange.
[17:43] Speaker 2: I disagree.
[17:44] Speaker 1: Actually, I have friends at NASA who don't agree with
[17:47] Speaker 1: that at all, and I'll take their word.
[17:52] Speaker 4: Right, Well, you should look at it like you should
[17:55] Speaker 4: go have really studied it for yourself and go look
[17:59] Speaker 4: at all the it and stead there is and how
[18:02] Speaker 4: much money the government has spent into studying it, because
[18:05] Speaker 4: there there.
[18:06] Speaker 1: I'm sure there is. Well listen, Zeel, thanks for coming
[18:09] Speaker 1: up and sharing your perspective with us. But we're gonna
[18:10] Speaker 1: get a believer in here that that's got some answers.
[18:14] Speaker 4: Okay, Can I just say one last thing, yeah, go
[18:20] Speaker 4: for it. So about the spectrum of light, we can
[18:28] Speaker 4: see like zero point zero zero fifteen percent of the
[18:33] Speaker 4: spectrum of light, which basically means that we're blind. We're
[18:37] Speaker 4: pretty much blind. Okay, if we were to see one
[18:41] Speaker 4: hundred percent of the spectrum of light, we would be
[18:44] Speaker 4: able to see so much more of what actually exists
[18:48] Speaker 4: that we just cannot see.
[18:51] Speaker 1: And are you suggesting that there are things in material
[18:56] Speaker 1: existence that we just can't see im material?
[19:01] Speaker 4: Yeah, like radio frequency for example. That's proof that there's
[19:05] Speaker 4: immaterial things that we cannot see.
[19:06] Speaker 1: I said material, Are there things in material existence that
[19:10] Speaker 1: we can't see?
[19:13] Speaker 4: Material?
[19:15] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[19:15] Speaker 1: Are there material things that exist that we can't see?
[19:23] Speaker 4: I would say material is in our dimension?
[19:27] Speaker 2: I'm not I know, I agree.
[19:31] Speaker 1: My question was, are there things in the material world
[19:36] Speaker 1: that we can't see?
[19:41] Speaker 4: Yeah? Like radio frequency for example.
[19:45] Speaker 2: Well, that's not a thing that exists.
[19:47] Speaker 1: Or radio signal is something moving through the atmosphere. Like
[19:52] Speaker 1: you can't see a radio signal. You can see the
[19:56] Speaker 1: particles moving, you.
[20:00] Speaker 4: Can see the radio frequency particles moving.
[20:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, radio signals are just the atmosphere moving. Although there's
[20:11] Speaker 1: a larger discussion about why radio signals work in outer space,
[20:14] Speaker 1: and we can have that discussion later, But for the
[20:17] Speaker 1: most part, if you are if you're witnessing radio waves
[20:20] Speaker 1: here on the Earth, it's because it's traveling through the atmosphere.
[20:24] Speaker 1: Otherwise you can't see it with like a normal instrumentation.
[20:30] Speaker 1: It's not visible to the eyeballs in any way.
[20:34] Speaker 4: Right, So within our material dimension, there are things that
[20:39] Speaker 4: we cannot see. For example, I send a message to
[20:43] Speaker 4: my friend over in Germany. It gets there, it travels there,
[20:49] Speaker 4: and we cannot see it. Yet it is happening. Yet,
[20:52] Speaker 4: we have discovered this technology and we can see that,
[20:57] Speaker 4: and yes, but we can cannot see it traveling there.
[21:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, you literally can't. You know, with the right equipment,
[21:04] Speaker 1: you certainly can.
[21:08] Speaker 4: That's the thing. With the right equipment, we can.
[21:10] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because we can't observe things on the microscopic level.
[21:14] Speaker 1: That's that's the whole problem that we have here. Everything
[21:17] Speaker 1: you're describing things that we can't see, We literally just
[21:20] Speaker 1: can't see it because it's on the microscopic level. All
[21:22] Speaker 1: you need is the right technology. I'm yeah, let me.
[21:27] Speaker 2: Just this hold Zal, just just pause.
[21:31] Speaker 1: I asked you this question because it's relevant to our discussion.
[21:34] Speaker 1: Our discussion I'm trying to figure out is do you
[21:37] Speaker 1: believe that there are some like interdimensional beings or something
[21:42] Speaker 1: that exist here in the material world and we just
[21:44] Speaker 1: can't see them.
[21:47] Speaker 4: What I'm trying to say is that I don't know
[21:49] Speaker 4: it is possible. I'm trying to say that people can't
[21:52] Speaker 4: say that it's impossible because basically.
[21:56] Speaker 1: I think it would be when do we run into them?
[21:59] Speaker 4: Well, well, here's here's my reasoning. I'm just using logic.
[22:04] Speaker 4: If you look at our r.
[22:05] Speaker 1: Right, but how do they interact with the physical world.
[22:08] Speaker 1: If they're If they're interacting with the physical world, that
[22:11] Speaker 1: means we should be running into them, we should be
[22:13] Speaker 1: bumping into them, we should be touching them.
[22:17] Speaker 4: Well, I cannot tell you that it is real, but
[22:22] Speaker 4: i't What I'm trying to tell you is that we
[22:24] Speaker 4: can't say that it's not real.
[22:26] Speaker 1: I disagree.
[22:28] Speaker 4: Well, I'm trying to make a case here. So my
[22:31] Speaker 4: case is that work.
[22:32] Speaker 1: But basically, but your case needs to start with rebutting
[22:34] Speaker 1: the claim that I just made. If there's something that's
[22:37] Speaker 1: here that we just can't see, but it's part of
[22:39] Speaker 1: the material world, and it can interact with the material
[22:42] Speaker 1: world so much so that it can fly spaceships and
[22:44] Speaker 1: things like that, then how come nobody can touch it?
[22:54] Speaker 4: I don't know, because there's all kinds of different dimensions.
[22:59] Speaker 4: I'm not sure. I don't know exactly the answers to
[23:03] Speaker 4: all the questions that you're asking, Nor can I tell
[23:07] Speaker 4: you something that's gonna completely change your mind. I'm just
[23:10] Speaker 4: trying to make a case for that logically that you know,
[23:15] Speaker 4: obviously there's so much more, Like clearly, there's so much
[23:18] Speaker 4: more if you look at our world.
[23:20] Speaker 1: I don't think there's interventional to beings beings though, or
[23:23] Speaker 1: gods or spaceships or I would need something better than then,
[23:29] Speaker 1: like maybe and a trust me bro for that. But listen, Zil,
[23:32] Speaker 1: I enjoy talking to you, but I gotta get out
[23:34] Speaker 1: onto the next guest.
[23:35] Speaker 4: Okay, well you didn't even listen to what I was
[23:39] Speaker 4: trying to tell you.
[23:40] Speaker 2: I don't think you had much to add to that.
[23:41] Speaker 1: Don't worry about it.
[23:44] Speaker 3: If anybody has needed to touch grass.
[23:47] Speaker 1: It was that, Well, that's wild to me that people
[23:52] Speaker 1: can believe that kind of nonsense. Weird, weird, Steve, though,
[23:57] Speaker 1: welcome back, Steve says, Doug, how come you didn't like
[24:01] Speaker 1: my preference of not being haired? Do you mean hard
[24:05] Speaker 1: of not being hard. Doug wants you to be rock
[24:08] Speaker 1: hard for him, But it's okay, Steve. We all know
[24:10] Speaker 1: that you're flaccid. We knew that before you mentioned it
[24:13] Speaker 1: because you got to picture Trump in your profile picture,
[24:16] Speaker 1: and we know that anyone who follows Trump is definitely flaccid.
[24:20] Speaker 1: And Austin Arnold, thank you for the super test, says
[24:22] Speaker 1: the power of Christ compelled your cat to unplug your computer.
[24:26] Speaker 1: Luckily Doug wheeled the power to come back. You're right,
[24:29] Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to like move the dresser in front
[24:31] Speaker 1: of it or something like that prevent Pie from taking
[24:34] Speaker 1: care of things on his own. And X million, thank
[24:38] Speaker 1: you so much for the supertest, says rock Hard for Doug.
[24:42] Speaker 1: And Sharon Stone a Doug and a share and I
[24:46] Speaker 1: agree a woman. People are always leaving off the ass.
[24:50] Speaker 1: Thanks for all you do. Justin well, listen, Maximilian, thank
[24:54] Speaker 1: you so much for not leaving off the ass. We
[24:57] Speaker 1: appreciate that. Make sure when you're worshiping Doug Inshuran Stone,
[25:02] Speaker 1: never forget the ass. Never forget the ass. And Zakool,
[25:07] Speaker 1: thank you for the supertest, says Christianity. But Jesus has
[25:10] Speaker 1: six pack of dougs. Amen, he did. Have you seen
[25:13] Speaker 1: him on the cross? He was ripped. He was ripped
[25:16] Speaker 1: and cereal, dude, I love cereal by the way. In fact,
[25:20] Speaker 1: I think Sarah's probably having a bowl cereal right now
[25:22] Speaker 1: as we speak, probably strawberry shudy w Weed. If you
[25:25] Speaker 1: haven't tried it, try it. But he says, dark matter
[25:29] Speaker 1: is material. We can't see it interacts with material world
[25:32] Speaker 1: through gravity, but we can't touch it because it doesn't
[25:35] Speaker 1: have electromagnetic properties.
[25:38] Speaker 2: Interesting.
[25:39] Speaker 1: I think there's some questions about whether or not dark
[25:42] Speaker 1: matter exists. I think we're like, there are theories and
[25:45] Speaker 1: a lot of people do think it exists. I think
[25:48] Speaker 1: it's questionable whether or not it actually does exist and
[25:50] Speaker 1: how many people believe it exists. But I'm willing to
[25:53] Speaker 1: give you the benefit of the doubt. It's possible. Shit
[25:56] Speaker 1: is very possible that dark matter does exist. I'm agnostic
[26:00] Speaker 1: on the dark energy dark matter situation, but I'm not
[26:03] Speaker 1: a physicist. Don't ask me about dark matter. I can't
[26:07] Speaker 1: give you an intelligent answer. That's a good question for
[26:09] Speaker 1: doctor Blitz. I would definitely ask doctor Blitz. But Flanker,
[26:13] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the super chest. It says,
[26:14] Speaker 1: can we please teach epistemologyism, skepticism, and critical thinking in
[26:19] Speaker 1: schools for humanity's sake. I don't know if we're gonna
[26:23] Speaker 1: get that. I don't know if that's going to happen,
[26:26] Speaker 1: but man, do we need it now more than ever?
[26:29] Speaker 1: You know what I mean? We really do appreciate the
[26:32] Speaker 1: super chat flanker. Thanks for hanging out with us tonight.
[26:34] Speaker 1: Let me grab our next guest. V has been waiting
[26:38] Speaker 1: for us in the guest box on YouTube. I just
[26:42] Speaker 1: moved V into the screen, but I don't see V
[26:47] Speaker 1: on the screen. Why is that? Hold on? I don't
[26:50] Speaker 1: see V or here of V. What's happening here? Something's
[26:56] Speaker 1: going on with the links? Uh? Is my video Ninja
[27:06] Speaker 1: scene not working? Why would you not be working Video Ninja?
[27:13] Speaker 1: That's weird. I tried to bring somebody up and didn't
[27:17] Speaker 1: bring them up video? Did I break Video Ninja? Did
[27:21] Speaker 1: I finally break it? Let me refresh it real quick.
[27:26] Speaker 1: That's weird. I might have finally broke it. Might have
[27:34] Speaker 1: finally broke video Ninjam. Shit, I can't get them on
[27:41] Speaker 1: the screen. What's going on Video Ninja? That's weird? Maybe
[27:46] Speaker 1: what the hell?
[27:49] Speaker 5: All right?
[27:49] Speaker 1: I'll work on that. I'm gonna get the next guest
[27:51] Speaker 1: from TikTok in here, and I'll work on getting mic
[27:53] Speaker 1: from video Ninja in after that. I don't know what's
[27:56] Speaker 1: going on with video Ninja. That's weird. I've never seen
[28:00] Speaker 1: video engine at work. We're gonna get humming bird up
[28:04] Speaker 1: in here. How are you doing? Hummingbird? Humming? Humming? Humming?
[28:18] Speaker 1: Are you with us?
[28:23] Speaker 2: Humming?
[28:25] Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think humming is with us. Okay,
[28:28] Speaker 1: all right, sorry, Humming, We'll drop you and move on
[28:31] Speaker 1: to the next one.
[28:40] Speaker 2: Welcome in, Lexus.
[28:43] Speaker 5: Hey, how's it going man?
[28:44] Speaker 2: Good are you doing?
[28:46] Speaker 5: I'm doing all right. Just have to drop some kids
[28:48] Speaker 5: off at their grandparents, you know, keep the kyles quiet tonight.
[28:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that.
[28:55] Speaker 5: I get that.
[28:55] Speaker 7: You know what amateur I have to say. This is
[29:00] Speaker 7: fucking amateur. Man. It seems like are we here?
[29:05] Speaker 1: Look at this guy crashing Look at the guy crashing out.
[29:08] Speaker 1: He's already crashing out. I didn't even get to talk yet.
[29:11] Speaker 6: I'm here, I'm here, I'm waiting.
[29:13] Speaker 7: What's up?
[29:14] Speaker 5: Man?
[29:14] Speaker 1: Here?
[29:15] Speaker 7: We are?
[29:16] Speaker 5: All right?
[29:16] Speaker 2: So Lexus, welcome in.
[29:18] Speaker 1: We got a anger we got an angry guy in
[29:22] Speaker 1: the guest box. We'll get him next. So, Lexus, are
[29:25] Speaker 1: you at least eighteen and are you a believer?
[29:31] Speaker 5: I am twenty nine and I am a believer?
[29:33] Speaker 1: Cool?
[29:33] Speaker 2: Which God do you believe in?
[29:36] Speaker 5: I believe in the Christian That's what I believe in.
[29:42] Speaker 1: Okay, And would be the best argument or the best
[29:45] Speaker 1: evidence for the Christian gun?
[29:50] Speaker 5: My best evidence, or I'll say one of the best
[29:52] Speaker 5: evidence is that I can portray right now is the
[29:57] Speaker 5: existence of moral rights and wrongs and concepts that we
[30:03] Speaker 5: very strongly adhere to in everyday society.
[30:06] Speaker 1: Okay. Cool, So we probably agree that slavery was wrong,
[30:09] Speaker 1: right of course?
[30:12] Speaker 2: Okay.
[30:13] Speaker 1: Can you show me in the Bible where it says
[30:14] Speaker 1: slavery is wrong? Because I can show you in the
[30:16] Speaker 1: Bible where it says it's okay.
[30:19] Speaker 5: I can actually back in Levitigus forty four, it talks
[30:24] Speaker 5: about slavery, and I believe that's usually the reference point
[30:27] Speaker 5: in which most people use to reference.
[30:29] Speaker 1: I think you mean twenty five forty four, because there's
[30:31] Speaker 1: no libted.
[30:32] Speaker 5: Like forty five. Leviticus twenty five forty four?
[30:35] Speaker 1: Have you read this? I have? What do you think
[30:40] Speaker 1: it says? When I pulled up what do you think
[30:42] Speaker 1: it's going to say, he's going to read it right now,
[30:55] Speaker 1: He's not read it. I mean he walked right into it. Lexus,
[31:06] Speaker 1: no one can hear you when you swipe away from
[31:09] Speaker 1: the apple, can't hear you? Men?
[31:12] Speaker 5: Sorry about that. Sorry.
[31:14] Speaker 1: So in twenty five to forty four, it says, as
[31:16] Speaker 1: for the male and female slaves you may have, it
[31:18] Speaker 1: is from the nations around you that you may acquire
[31:20] Speaker 1: male and female slaves. You may also acquire them from
[31:23] Speaker 1: among the aliens residing with you, and from their families
[31:26] Speaker 1: who are with you, have been born in your land.
[31:28] Speaker 2: They may be your property.
[31:29] Speaker 1: You may keep them as a possession for your children
[31:32] Speaker 1: after you, for them to inherit as property. These you
[31:34] Speaker 1: may treat as slaves. But as for your fellow Israelites,
[31:37] Speaker 1: no one shall rule over the other with harshness. So
[31:41] Speaker 1: God just said you can own the foreigners of slaves,
[31:44] Speaker 1: did he not?
[31:46] Speaker 5: Ah? Yes he did.
[31:47] Speaker 2: Okay, But you said slavery was wrong.
[31:50] Speaker 5: Oh yes, at one hundred percent is wrong?
[31:51] Speaker 2: Okay, So God goes wrong when he said this. No, okay,
[31:56] Speaker 2: So slavery is not always wrong.
[31:59] Speaker 5: No, So when you go to Leviticus and it talks
[32:03] Speaker 5: about taking in slaves. The translation for slave is just
[32:09] Speaker 5: the common term that most people use.
[32:11] Speaker 1: What's the Hebrew word here?
[32:16] Speaker 5: I don't speak the Hebrew. I know the transit. I
[32:18] Speaker 5: know that I do go from the direct translation, but
[32:21] Speaker 5: I don't speak Hebrew.
[32:23] Speaker 1: So how do you know it's translated?
[32:24] Speaker 5: I have to I have to go through the translation.
[32:26] Speaker 5: But I'm sorry. I can't swipe away from the app,
[32:29] Speaker 5: so I got to make sure that I'm staying here.
[32:31] Speaker 5: But if you do, pull up a Bible hub, I believe,
[32:36] Speaker 5: I believe it's called Bible hub.
[32:38] Speaker 1: So which word in here needs retranslated?
[32:41] Speaker 5: Slave is usually translated to bonds made or bond servant.
[32:46] Speaker 2: Oh, that's an old English word.
[32:47] Speaker 1: Do you know what that means in the in an
[32:49] Speaker 1: old English dictionary?
[32:52] Speaker 5: Not in the Old English dictionary? No, I do not. Yeah,
[32:55] Speaker 5: it means educating. I want please educate me if I'm wrong.
[32:58] Speaker 5: I want to make sure.
[32:59] Speaker 1: It means either a servant or a slave. It could
[33:01] Speaker 1: be one or the other. It's the context that tells
[33:03] Speaker 1: you what it means, which is a fitting description, since
[33:07] Speaker 1: the Hebrew words ahma and evid can meet a servant
[33:10] Speaker 1: or a slave, depending on the context here, it clearly
[33:13] Speaker 1: is referring to a slave, because it says that you
[33:16] Speaker 1: will acquire them with your money, you'll purchase them, or
[33:20] Speaker 1: you'll own them as property. It says there'll be an
[33:23] Speaker 1: inheritable property to you. You'll bequeath them to your children
[33:26] Speaker 1: after you.
[33:29] Speaker 5: Right, So that's I would argue that it actually I
[33:33] Speaker 5: would argue that the term being used would actually be
[33:36] Speaker 5: a servant not slave. Why but I can understand I
[33:40] Speaker 5: would because but why why? The reason why is because
[33:46] Speaker 5: if you read most of the chapters from Genesis to Leviticus,
[33:49] Speaker 5: the nature in which God treats servants, and he talks
[33:53] Speaker 5: about servants constantly throughout the Bible. He doesn't just talk
[33:55] Speaker 5: he doesn't talk about slaves. He talks about servants. He
[33:58] Speaker 5: talks about servants throughout the Bible. And servants when treated
[34:02] Speaker 5: like for example, Abraham's servant that went to go fetch
[34:06] Speaker 5: Isaac back in the time of Yes when he was
[34:11] Speaker 5: we know the stories he was, he was a servant, right.
[34:15] Speaker 5: And so when they're talking here, and you can see
[34:19] Speaker 5: that when your translation of bond servant and bond's made
[34:23] Speaker 5: can be translated to servant and or slave, I would
[34:25] Speaker 5: argue that it's referring to servant because it falls more
[34:28] Speaker 5: in line with what the nature of how God intends
[34:32] Speaker 5: people to be treated if they are to be at
[34:34] Speaker 5: service to other people.
[34:35] Speaker 2: Is a servant free to go?
[34:38] Speaker 5: A servant is free to go at.
[34:41] Speaker 2: The is a servant paid?
[34:45] Speaker 5: Yes? Okay?
[34:46] Speaker 1: Is a servant owned his property?
[34:49] Speaker 5: A comparison to how what property was being meant to
[34:53] Speaker 5: by God when he talks to people as property, Yes.
[34:57] Speaker 1: Rungan is a servant owned as prop meaning they have
[35:00] Speaker 1: no autonomy.
[35:02] Speaker 5: The servant is owned as property. But when God refers
[35:05] Speaker 5: to people being owned as property, it's not in the
[35:07] Speaker 5: terms of being owned as an object, but being owned
[35:10] Speaker 5: as a loving member.
[35:11] Speaker 1: And you'd be completely wrong on that. It says they
[35:14] Speaker 1: may be your property. You may keep them as a
[35:16] Speaker 1: possession for your children after you for them to inherit
[35:19] Speaker 1: as property. So he says that these these slaves are
[35:24] Speaker 1: inheritable property, meaning they belong to you. They don't have autonomy.
[35:29] Speaker 1: I don't care if you think they're treated to slaves,
[35:31] Speaker 1: good or not. The act of owning another human being
[35:35] Speaker 1: as property, and they don't have their freedom to leave,
[35:38] Speaker 1: and they don't get paid, and then you get to
[35:40] Speaker 1: beat them when they disobey you. That's called slavery.
[35:43] Speaker 5: Yes, but see, but you're referring to slavery in the
[35:47] Speaker 5: terms of through the eyes and gaze of how everybody
[35:51] Speaker 5: today uses it.
[35:52] Speaker 1: No, I didn't.
[35:52] Speaker 2: I didn't say anything about the today.
[35:54] Speaker 1: I read you exactly what the I read you exactly
[35:57] Speaker 1: what the Bible said. The Bible said you and own
[36:00] Speaker 1: them as property. You'll pass them on to your children
[36:03] Speaker 1: when you die. They'll be your slaves forever. These are
[36:06] Speaker 1: not people that are allowed to leave. These are not
[36:08] Speaker 1: people that are getting paid. In fact, in verse thirty nine,
[36:12] Speaker 1: God explicitly tells you that they're not going to get
[36:14] Speaker 1: paid because he uses the Hebrew to shakir to refer
[36:18] Speaker 1: to the Hebrews, It says, if any who are dependent
[36:21] Speaker 1: on you become so impoverished that they sell themselves to you,
[36:24] Speaker 1: you shall not make them serve as slaves. They shall
[36:27] Speaker 1: remain with you as hired or bound laborers. They shall
[36:29] Speaker 1: serve with you until the year of jubilee. A hired
[36:33] Speaker 1: laborer is a shakir. They get paid. Slaves don't get paid.
[36:37] Speaker 1: That's why he says, don't make them serve as slaves.
[36:40] Speaker 1: They'll remain with you, as a shakir says, they and
[36:43] Speaker 1: their children with them shall go out from your authority.
[36:46] Speaker 1: They shall go back to their own family and return
[36:48] Speaker 1: to their ancestral property. For they are my servants, so
[36:50] Speaker 1: I brought out a land of Egypt. They shall not
[36:52] Speaker 1: be sold as slaves are sold. You shall not rule
[36:54] Speaker 1: over them with harshness, but you shall fear God. As
[36:57] Speaker 1: for the male and female slaves who you may have,
[37:00] Speaker 1: it is from the nations around you that you may
[37:02] Speaker 1: acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them
[37:06] Speaker 1: from among the aliens residing with you, and from their
[37:08] Speaker 1: families or with you have been born in your land.
[37:10] Speaker 2: They may be your property.
[37:11] Speaker 1: You may keep them as a possession for your children
[37:13] Speaker 1: after you, for them to inherit as property. And the
[37:15] Speaker 1: Hebrew text actually says as property a juz le alam,
[37:18] Speaker 1: which means property forever. So these are permanent slaves. They're
[37:23] Speaker 1: not getting paid, and you get to treat them harshly.
[37:27] Speaker 5: So it doesn't tell where do you see that? It
[37:30] Speaker 5: tells people tells that the children of Israel can treat
[37:32] Speaker 5: them harshly.
[37:33] Speaker 1: Verse forty six, he says you may keep them as
[37:36] Speaker 1: a possession for your children after you, for them to
[37:38] Speaker 1: inherit as property. These you may treat as slaves, but
[37:42] Speaker 1: as for your fellow Israelites, no one shall rule over
[37:45] Speaker 1: the other with harshness. So when it comes to the
[37:47] Speaker 1: treatment of these slaves, he says, Hey, these people, you
[37:51] Speaker 1: can just treat them like slaves, But as for your
[37:53] Speaker 1: fellow Israelites, don't treat each other harshly.
[37:57] Speaker 5: Okay. So when they're talking about take in slaves from
[38:01] Speaker 5: the nations around them, correct, they're talking indentation, taking the
[38:05] Speaker 5: nation slaves from the nations around them. The nations around
[38:08] Speaker 5: them were practicing all forms of types of idolatry and
[38:13] Speaker 5: other things that I would say that we would probably
[38:16] Speaker 5: condemn it today's society.
[38:18] Speaker 1: Okay, So people who follow the true God are allowed
[38:20] Speaker 1: to enslave those who don't follow the true God.
[38:23] Speaker 5: No, so let me let me go.
[38:25] Speaker 1: And that was what you just set up. You said
[38:27] Speaker 1: that it was okay to enslave them because they didn't
[38:29] Speaker 1: worship the right God.
[38:31] Speaker 5: No, I have to, I have to give it in
[38:33] Speaker 5: its full context. If I may, If I may, I
[38:36] Speaker 5: don't want to. I don't want to have to breed
[38:39] Speaker 5: any sort of confusion. I want to make sure I
[38:41] Speaker 5: give it in this full context, if I may so,
[38:45] Speaker 5: in its full context. The children, that the children is
[38:49] Speaker 5: real when they were in the nations around them, lots
[38:52] Speaker 5: of nations that were around them, all types of nations
[38:54] Speaker 5: that were around them, committing horrible acts acts that in
[38:57] Speaker 5: this today's society we would probably say different types of
[39:00] Speaker 5: ways that we would.
[39:00] Speaker 2: Sure, show me the evidence of that.
[39:04] Speaker 5: Evidence of that.
[39:06] Speaker 1: That were that all of the non Israelites were horrible people.
[39:09] Speaker 2: Show me the evidence of.
[39:10] Speaker 5: That while the nations that they were around, Yeah, they were,
[39:15] Speaker 5: they would practice all types of a horrible acts.
[39:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, sure proven show that to me. Show me where
[39:21] Speaker 1: I can find that information.
[39:24] Speaker 5: So if you go into the Bible, does talk about
[39:28] Speaker 5: how certain people in the different word worshiping, follow gods
[39:34] Speaker 5: and doing practicing all types of sacrifices of humans.
[39:39] Speaker 1: Only the only the Canaanites were doing that, and they
[39:43] Speaker 1: were eating them, right, And that's and the Canaanites aren't slaves.
[39:49] Speaker 1: The Canaanites get exterminated. Deuteronomy chapter twenty tells you that
[39:52] Speaker 1: verse seventeen, you don't get, you don't get, you don't
[39:55] Speaker 1: get to, you don't get to enslave. You don't get
[39:57] Speaker 1: to enslave the Canaanites. You have to murder all of them.
[39:59] Speaker 1: You have to wipe them completely out. The nations around
[40:02] Speaker 1: you that are not Canaanites, those are the people that
[40:05] Speaker 1: you can take as slaves. We don't know anything about
[40:07] Speaker 1: those people. He didn't tell you who they are. He
[40:09] Speaker 1: didn't tell you anything about them.
[40:12] Speaker 5: But the nations around them were would involve certain would
[40:16] Speaker 5: involved nations that would have been underneath certain influences, similar
[40:20] Speaker 5: to that of Egypt and the nations that they came
[40:22] Speaker 5: out of.
[40:23] Speaker 2: They didn't do child secrices.
[40:27] Speaker 5: Similar actions. Not saying they no, they didn't say specifically.
[40:31] Speaker 5: I'm not saying Egypt specifically did child Lexus.
[40:35] Speaker 1: You're just making stuff up to justify slavery now, and
[40:38] Speaker 1: it goes back to the same thing I said before.
[40:41] Speaker 1: Are we allowed to enslave the Heathen nations as long
[40:44] Speaker 1: as it's the God followers in slaving the Heathens?
[40:47] Speaker 5: Well, like I said, if in the context of the
[40:50] Speaker 5: time period that they were in, like I said, in
[40:52] Speaker 5: giving this full context, in the time of Leviticus, when
[40:55] Speaker 5: they were asked, when they were told not to treat.
[40:57] Speaker 1: Lexus, your argument is for objective morals. Objective morals don't change.
[41:02] Speaker 1: If it was moral for the the people of God
[41:04] Speaker 1: to own the Heathens, then then it should be moral.
[41:06] Speaker 5: Now, well it's it wouldn't be. It wasn't moral for
[41:11] Speaker 5: anybody to own another human being and treat them as
[41:14] Speaker 5: horrible individuals in period.
[41:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, they're allowed to do it. You're allowed to to
[41:19] Speaker 1: own your you're allowed to own these people as slaves
[41:22] Speaker 1: for life, and you're allowed to beat them.
[41:25] Speaker 5: Okay, So now let me explain if I can finish
[41:29] Speaker 5: up a contextualized concept without being interrupted. I don't want it.
[41:32] Speaker 1: We know the context better than you do. We know
[41:35] Speaker 1: every lie that's about to come out of your mouth,
[41:36] Speaker 1: So just make.
[41:37] Speaker 5: The argument going.
[41:38] Speaker 1: So then, so then let me look at the con
[41:41] Speaker 1: the context, the context, lexus. The context won't help you,
[41:44] Speaker 1: That's what I'm trying to tell you.
[41:46] Speaker 5: No, the context is actually very important. Actually it's extremely important.
[41:50] Speaker 2: Go ahead and give me the context and I'll cook
[41:52] Speaker 2: you on it.
[41:53] Speaker 5: Cool. So, the context in the time period in which
[41:56] Speaker 5: they were enslaving people around them, Like I said, lots
[41:59] Speaker 5: of the nations that are on them engaged in horrible acts,
[42:02] Speaker 5: one of which which we know about the Canonites. Well,
[42:06] Speaker 5: let's talk about the fact that they just came from Egypt.
[42:08] Speaker 1: Let's just prove it.
[42:09] Speaker 5: Talk about the fact that we just came. Okay, So
[42:11] Speaker 5: in the Bible it talks about them coming just from Egypt.
[42:14] Speaker 5: In Egypt, they were enslaving. They did enslave them in horrible,
[42:17] Speaker 5: malicious ways.
[42:18] Speaker 1: Right now, they didn't we know this. They had their
[42:20] Speaker 1: own houses, don't We don't know this. You're making it up.
[42:22] Speaker 1: They had their own houses. They put blood over the
[42:25] Speaker 1: tor posts of their own houses that they lived in
[42:28] Speaker 1: so that the Angel of Death would pass over them.
[42:31] Speaker 5: So you're saying that in the time that the children
[42:33] Speaker 5: of Israel were living inside of Egypt, you're telling me
[42:36] Speaker 5: that they were treated fairly.
[42:38] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that they weren't slaves in Egypt.
[42:41] Speaker 1: According to the biblical narrative, they weren't slaves.
[42:44] Speaker 5: You're pulling the slave term for what they said treat
[42:48] Speaker 5: as slaves. You're pulling it from one little tiny aspect
[42:51] Speaker 5: of the Bible, and you're saying, no, I'm.
[42:52] Speaker 1: Not what do slaves get their own houses? Do slaves
[42:56] Speaker 1: get their own houses?
[42:59] Speaker 5: Do slaves?
[43:00] Speaker 1: Do slaves get their own houses? Answered?
[43:01] Speaker 2: The question.
[43:03] Speaker 5: In Egypt, they were given their own houses.
[43:05] Speaker 1: Bullshit, bullshit, that's not how slaver worked in Egypt. We
[43:09] Speaker 1: have the documentations from Asian Egypt. Slaves didn't get their
[43:12] Speaker 1: own houses, they didn't get to buy property.
[43:17] Speaker 5: So then the Israelites, you're saying that the Israelites weren't
[43:19] Speaker 5: slaved enslaved by Egypt.
[43:21] Speaker 1: I'm saying the Bible is a lie. And what you're
[43:26] Speaker 1: what you're doing right now, and what you're doing right
[43:28] Speaker 1: now is making apologies for slavery. You're saying you believe
[43:32] Speaker 1: in objective morals which don't change. But it was okay
[43:36] Speaker 1: for them to own slaves, it's not okay for us
[43:38] Speaker 1: to own slaves. Tell me why the objective morals changed.
[43:42] Speaker 5: The objective okay, So then let me go back to
[43:44] Speaker 5: the context of the time period.
[43:46] Speaker 1: If lexus, lexus, the context doesn't help, you just give
[43:52] Speaker 1: me the argument.
[43:53] Speaker 5: So then here's the argument. During the time period in
[43:57] Speaker 5: which they were told that they can have slaves of
[44:00] Speaker 5: the Heathens, the acts in which people around them were
[44:03] Speaker 5: doing were direct were directly abhorrent to the nature of God,
[44:09] Speaker 5: and trying to prove.
[44:10] Speaker 1: Prove what the nations were up to give me some evidence.
[44:15] Speaker 1: Give me. We're talking about the nation, Lexus, We're talking
[44:20] Speaker 1: about all of the nations, not one nation that you
[44:23] Speaker 1: knew something about, all of the nations, all of the
[44:25] Speaker 1: nations around Israel. They're allowed to take slaves. You can't
[44:28] Speaker 1: tell me that all of these nations were sacrificing their
[44:32] Speaker 1: children and some bullshit like that.
[44:34] Speaker 5: I didn't say.
[44:35] Speaker 1: Okay. So God said, you can make slaves of all
[44:37] Speaker 1: of the nations around you, the nations that are round
[44:40] Speaker 1: about you, you can make slaves of. So tell me
[44:42] Speaker 1: why it's okay. Tell me why it's okay to make
[44:45] Speaker 1: slaves of those people.
[44:48] Speaker 5: Okay, to make slaves of the people that weren't following
[44:50] Speaker 5: the True God. Let's go with this. Let's go with this,
[44:52] Speaker 5: because you want to go in this direction. They weren't
[44:54] Speaker 5: following the True God, which gave them allowance without moral
[44:57] Speaker 5: moralities or practice lots of sin.
[45:00] Speaker 1: Full acts like name one name, one same name. One
[45:06] Speaker 1: simple act. That's not a simple act. God said, you
[45:08] Speaker 1: can do it.
[45:10] Speaker 5: God says, it's a punishment to the nations around them.
[45:13] Speaker 1: He never said it was simpful.
[45:15] Speaker 5: It's a punishment to the nations around them.
[45:18] Speaker 1: It can't be because he says you can sell you
[45:19] Speaker 1: he can says you can sell your daughter as a slave,
[45:21] Speaker 1: and Excess twenty one ECUs twenty one seven says you
[45:24] Speaker 1: can sell your daughter as a slave.
[45:26] Speaker 5: Where say that? Say that verse one more time.
[45:28] Speaker 1: Access twenty one to seven. He says you can sell
[45:31] Speaker 1: your daughter XO. Disc Twenty one seven he says you can.
[45:37] Speaker 1: Before the time he says you can he said the
[45:40] Speaker 1: same same time as Leviticus. Pay attention Excess twenty one seven,
[45:44] Speaker 1: he says you can sell your daughter as a slave.
[45:47] Speaker 1: What's the justification for selling your own daughter as a slave?
[45:51] Speaker 5: And when you read all.
[45:54] Speaker 1: What is the justification for being able to sell your
[45:56] Speaker 1: daughter as a slave?
[45:59] Speaker 5: There is no justification for self?
[46:01] Speaker 1: Okay, So was it right or wrong when God said
[46:04] Speaker 1: you can sell your daughter as a slave?
[46:06] Speaker 5: Reading the full verse in context? If you pull up
[46:09] Speaker 5: the entire verse in times it was sated.
[46:12] Speaker 1: Lexus supposed to do lexus the one lexus, lexus, the
[46:16] Speaker 1: context will never help you. I've read every last word
[46:19] Speaker 1: of the Bible multiple times. I didn't know that you haven't,
[46:22] Speaker 1: which is why I know the context won't help you.
[46:24] Speaker 1: Just running away to context is a losing argument every time.
[46:29] Speaker 1: If you have an argument against my argument, just give
[46:31] Speaker 1: me the fucking argument. But just crying context will never
[46:34] Speaker 1: help you. So tell me why was it okay? Why
[46:38] Speaker 1: was it okay to sell your daughter as a slave then?
[46:41] Speaker 2: But not now?
[46:43] Speaker 5: The time I have, I would have because I can't
[46:47] Speaker 5: pull away from the I can't pull away from them.
[46:49] Speaker 5: If you hand me, if you hand me the the
[46:55] Speaker 5: Bible right there, go ahead and hand me that. Yeah,
[46:59] Speaker 5: pull it up right there. And you're reading the verse.
[47:03] Speaker 1: Of what when a man sells his daughter as a slave,
[47:06] Speaker 1: she shall not go out as the male slaves do,
[47:08] Speaker 1: Because the male Hebrew slaves actually get to go out,
[47:11] Speaker 1: they get to go free in the seventh year. The
[47:14] Speaker 1: women don't, which is why in verse four we see
[47:16] Speaker 1: more of it. He says, if his master gives him
[47:19] Speaker 1: a slave and she bears him sons or daughters, the
[47:21] Speaker 1: wife and her children shall be her masters, and he
[47:23] Speaker 1: will go out alone, because God commands them to make
[47:28] Speaker 1: permanent slaves of the women, just not the men.
[47:33] Speaker 5: And this is X and you're pulling from Exodus. Pull
[47:36] Speaker 5: it back up again Exus twenty one twenty one. See
[47:44] Speaker 5: and this is another instance and where you're one of
[47:47] Speaker 5: the translation in what you're pulling from uses the term
[47:49] Speaker 5: slave instead of serving, because that's what the word means.
[47:52] Speaker 5: I actually went to school and learned the language. Stop
[47:54] Speaker 5: pretending like you know the language. You don't. I literally
[47:58] Speaker 5: told you I don't know the language.
[48:00] Speaker 1: And I and I literally do know the language lexus.
[48:03] Speaker 1: So stop getting up here and pretending like you do
[48:07] Speaker 1: because you don't know the language, and I actually went
[48:09] Speaker 1: to learn the language at school, which is why I
[48:13] Speaker 1: agree with the guy with the PhD who translated it
[48:16] Speaker 1: as slave. The guy with the PhD in Biblical Hebrew
[48:20] Speaker 1: knows more than you.
[48:23] Speaker 5: Okay, I don't doubt. I don't doubt that the person
[48:25] Speaker 5: who who understands Hebrew knows more than me.
[48:28] Speaker 1: Great so o, So then stop saying that that it
[48:31] Speaker 1: doesn't mean slave here when it clearly says slaves.
[48:34] Speaker 5: Then what I am going to state, though, what I
[48:37] Speaker 5: am going to one hundred percent state though, is both
[48:40] Speaker 5: you're the one and your said this. I didn't say this,
[48:43] Speaker 5: but you also acknowledge that when I brought up the
[48:46] Speaker 5: term of slavery being used in terms of bond servant
[48:49] Speaker 5: and bonds made. You're the one who stated that the
[48:53] Speaker 5: direct translation of the Hebrew text can be translated as
[48:56] Speaker 5: both servant and say I don't even stay.
[48:59] Speaker 1: And get and get? Yes, what tells you which one
[49:01] Speaker 1: to use? It's your favorite word? Say it, say it,
[49:06] Speaker 1: say it.
[49:09] Speaker 5: I didn't understand what you were just saying. Say it
[49:11] Speaker 5: one more time.
[49:11] Speaker 1: What's the one thing that tells you how to translate
[49:15] Speaker 1: a word that's got a wide semantic range.
[49:17] Speaker 2: What's the thing?
[49:19] Speaker 6: Oh?
[49:19] Speaker 1: Pick, pick, Oh, doctor Joe, what's the answer?
[49:23] Speaker 3: Context?
[49:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, there you go the contact.
[49:25] Speaker 1: Now, what do we call someone who is sold as
[49:29] Speaker 1: property and doesn't get to go free?
[49:35] Speaker 5: They would be sold as a slave.
[49:37] Speaker 1: Oh, there you go. Okay, So when the translation is
[49:40] Speaker 1: translated as a slave referring to somebody who is sold
[49:43] Speaker 1: and doesn't get to go free, then it means they're
[49:46] Speaker 1: a slave.
[49:48] Speaker 5: But then the nature of God and his people, if
[49:51] Speaker 5: you follow throughout the entire history and when God tries
[49:53] Speaker 5: to establish his nation, when he establishes the nations through Abraham,
[49:57] Speaker 5: when they mentioned any aspect of servants in slaves being
[50:00] Speaker 5: mentioned in it, they are described as servants.
[50:03] Speaker 1: No, they're not.
[50:04] Speaker 5: If you know, you would have to be able to
[50:06] Speaker 5: acknowledge that when God acknowledged.
[50:08] Speaker 1: They're they're literally slaves born in the household of Abraham.
[50:12] Speaker 1: God blessed Abraham with slaves born into his household in
[50:17] Speaker 1: Isaiah chapter fourteen. In Isaiah chapter fourteen, God literally says
[50:21] Speaker 1: that they're going to take the Babylonians captive and that
[50:25] Speaker 1: they're going to make slaves of their captives in the
[50:28] Speaker 1: same way that they were made slaves of. God is
[50:31] Speaker 1: totally down with the foreigners being slaves, and you know it.
[50:36] Speaker 5: God is and as a punishment, yes, for not being
[50:39] Speaker 5: able to worship God in the way.
[50:40] Speaker 1: Okay, then what was wrong with the Christians and slaving
[50:43] Speaker 1: the Heathens.
[50:46] Speaker 5: I didn't say there was anything wrong with the Christians.
[50:48] Speaker 1: Okay, So then then there was nothing. Then there was
[50:50] Speaker 1: nothing wrong with it with the Atlantic slave trade, was there?
[50:54] Speaker 5: No, that's not true.
[50:55] Speaker 2: What was wrong with it?
[50:56] Speaker 1: It was it was a Christian nation in slaving heathens
[51:00] Speaker 1: who didn't believe in.
[51:01] Speaker 5: Christianity worship God. They didn't worship God.
[51:05] Speaker 1: God God intended them to own slaves, the Bible says.
[51:08] Speaker 5: So they weren't doing that.
[51:10] Speaker 1: Bible showed me the purpose. Lexus. Lexus showed me. The
[51:15] Speaker 1: Lexus show me the Bible passage where God says owning
[51:18] Speaker 1: a slave as a sin? Show me that.
[51:27] Speaker 5: I think my microphone went off. Did my microphone just called.
[51:29] Speaker 1: No, immuted to you because you can't shut up. Show
[51:31] Speaker 1: me the Bible passage that says owning a slave as
[51:33] Speaker 1: a sin.
[51:35] Speaker 5: It doesn't say that owning a slave, okay.
[51:37] Speaker 1: So then don't insinuate that it's non Christian. It's certainly
[51:40] Speaker 1: a Christian thing to do. And the President and the
[51:43] Speaker 1: vice President of the Confederacy even agreed. Jefferson Davis in
[51:48] Speaker 1: one of his speeches, literally said, talking about the morality
[51:51] Speaker 1: of slavery, he says, is it not the cause of Christianity?
[51:56] Speaker 1: It cannot be, for servitude is the only agency through
[51:59] Speaker 1: which Christianity has reached that degraded race, the only means
[52:03] Speaker 1: by which they have civilized, been civilized and elevated. The
[52:07] Speaker 1: slave traders in the South viewed the act of slavery
[52:11] Speaker 1: as bringing the Heathens to Christianity. So what was wrong
[52:16] Speaker 1: with that?
[52:18] Speaker 5: What was wrong with that is that the intention in
[52:20] Speaker 5: which they did use it, even by the context in
[52:22] Speaker 5: which the Bible.
[52:23] Speaker 1: Don't you don't know what their intentions are? Lexus, I'm
[52:26] Speaker 1: asking you what was wrong with Christians owning slaves of
[52:30] Speaker 1: the Heathens in order to bring them here in order,
[52:34] Speaker 1: in order, in order the flat, in order to bring
[52:38] Speaker 1: them to Christianity. If I was a Christian, I said
[52:40] Speaker 1: I want to own slaves and bring them to Christianity,
[52:44] Speaker 1: would it be okay for me to do that?
[52:50] Speaker 2: These guys are crazy?
[52:55] Speaker 5: Do you say that the intention is not is not relevant?
[52:58] Speaker 1: Lexus, listen, stop being a coward. Stop being a coward
[53:02] Speaker 1: to answer my question. If I was a Christian and
[53:05] Speaker 1: I wanted to own slaves with the intent of bringing
[53:09] Speaker 1: them to Christianity, and they were coming from a heave
[53:12] Speaker 1: of the nation, what would be wrong with that? Give
[53:14] Speaker 1: me the answer. I can almost guarantee he's not gonna answer.
[53:29] Speaker 5: Okay, So, like I said that today, that today what
[53:36] Speaker 5: we call what you're calling, what we would call slavery
[53:39] Speaker 5: back then, would be called prisoners today.
[53:41] Speaker 2: No, it wouldn't, Yes, it would No, it wouldn't.
[53:45] Speaker 5: We own them. They're owned inside of prisons right now.
[53:48] Speaker 1: Oh, this is a huge fucking pivot. We're not talking
[53:51] Speaker 1: about we're not talking about arresting people. Lexus, stop being
[53:54] Speaker 1: a coward and answer my question. If I was a
[53:57] Speaker 1: Christian and I wanted to own slaves with the intention
[54:01] Speaker 1: of bringing them to Christianity? Would I be okay in
[54:04] Speaker 1: doing it? What would be wrong with it?
[54:06] Speaker 5: The Bible doesn't even state that you're allowed.
[54:08] Speaker 1: To answer the question what would be wrong with.
[54:12] Speaker 5: The straightforward answer is no, and that.
[54:15] Speaker 1: There you go. Thank you for finally saying it. In
[54:19] Speaker 1: your worldview, there's nothing wrong with Christians owning Heathens as slaves.
[54:25] Speaker 1: You finally admitted it. That is the reductio of your position.
[54:30] Speaker 2: So then so then so.
[54:32] Speaker 1: Then what was okay? So well, then maybe if you
[54:36] Speaker 1: answer my question directly, I wouldn't have to meet you.
[54:38] Speaker 1: So I'll ask you. Since since apparently you didn't say
[54:41] Speaker 1: the thing I thought you said, let me ask you again?
[54:44] Speaker 1: What would be wrong if I was a Christian and
[54:48] Speaker 1: then I decided to own slaves of the Heathen nations?
[54:52] Speaker 1: What would be wrong with that?
[54:55] Speaker 5: The Bible does not tell you that you can buy
[54:58] Speaker 5: slaves of the Heathen nations for the purpose of converting them.
[55:01] Speaker 1: Okay, then you could. Then why did he say you
[55:03] Speaker 1: can buy them?
[55:05] Speaker 5: Because it was a punishment, not a conversion, okay?
[55:08] Speaker 1: And why are they being punished.
[55:11] Speaker 5: Because of their acts? That they committed during the time
[55:13] Speaker 5: period of not worshiping the true God and how he intended.
[55:16] Speaker 1: And do the Heathen nations do the Heathens from the
[55:19] Speaker 1: other nations worship God?
[55:22] Speaker 5: Do the Heathens from the Heathens from the other nations.
[55:24] Speaker 1: Let's say that Americas and say yes or no, Lexis,
[55:26] Speaker 1: do the Heathens in other nations worship God?
[55:31] Speaker 5: Heathens and other nations do not worship Okay?
[55:33] Speaker 1: Okay, So by the same criteria you laid out, I
[55:37] Speaker 1: should be allowed to take them as slaves as their
[55:39] Speaker 1: punishment for worshiping the wrong God.
[55:43] Speaker 5: No, and I'll explain why.
[55:45] Speaker 1: Then the amount of lies and backflips you have to
[55:48] Speaker 1: have to hold his positions wild to me, and it's
[55:52] Speaker 1: embarrassing to you.
[55:54] Speaker 5: Understand, if you understand right the reason why Jesus came,
[55:59] Speaker 5: then it undoes that law that was stated back in Exodus.
[56:03] Speaker 1: No, it didn't. God said to follow the law forever.
[56:05] Speaker 1: In Deuteronomy chapter eleven, verse one, twelve, one, twelve, twenty eight,
[56:09] Speaker 1: five twenty nine, he says, it follow the law forever.
[56:13] Speaker 1: Jesus said in Matthew five to follow the law.
[56:15] Speaker 5: For Jesus said, I did not come, And Jesus said
[56:18] Speaker 5: that I did not come to abolish the law, but
[56:20] Speaker 5: to fulfill it.
[56:21] Speaker 1: And that okay, and what is it? And what is
[56:23] Speaker 1: the word abolow and what is the word abolish? What
[56:25] Speaker 1: does the word abolish mean?
[56:28] Speaker 5: It means that he didn't come to undo the law.
[56:30] Speaker 1: Oh okay, okay, okay, thank you you said it? Yeah, okay.
[56:33] Speaker 1: So if he if he didn't come, if he didn't
[56:36] Speaker 1: come to undo the law, then the law is still
[56:39] Speaker 1: in place, isn't it.
[56:41] Speaker 5: No, because he fulfilled it.
[56:43] Speaker 1: No, fulfhill can't mean abolish. He said I did not
[56:45] Speaker 1: come to abolish, as means no, matter what you do
[56:48] Speaker 1: with the word fulfilled, fulfilled cannot mean abolish. So it
[56:52] Speaker 1: has to be so it has to have a different
[56:54] Speaker 1: meaning than abolish. Do you know what the word fulfilled
[56:57] Speaker 1: actually means.
[57:00] Speaker 5: It means to It means to follow out.
[57:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, yeah. Yeah. So when I follow the law
[57:05] Speaker 1: to buckle my seat belt, the law doesn't actually go away,
[57:08] Speaker 1: does it?
[57:09] Speaker 6: No?
[57:10] Speaker 5: It doesn't.
[57:10] Speaker 1: Did I? Okay? So when I but so, so, when
[57:13] Speaker 1: I buckle my seat belt, am I fulfilling the law
[57:16] Speaker 1: to buckle my seat belt?
[57:21] Speaker 4: No?
[57:21] Speaker 1: You're not, I am, Yes, yes I am. That's that's
[57:24] Speaker 1: That's that's how fulfilling laws work.
[57:26] Speaker 8: Right.
[57:26] Speaker 1: When when the requirements for buckling your seat belt is
[57:29] Speaker 1: you get in, you buckle your seat belt, and then
[57:31] Speaker 1: you drive. And if I do that, that means I
[57:33] Speaker 1: fulfilled the law of buckling your seat belt.
[57:35] Speaker 2: That's what that means.
[57:36] Speaker 5: Yes, you did? Yes, okay.
[57:38] Speaker 1: So does the law go away? When does the law
[57:41] Speaker 1: go away when I fulfill it? Does the law go
[57:43] Speaker 1: away when I fulfill it?
[57:44] Speaker 2: Lexus?
[57:46] Speaker 5: No, it doesn't go away.
[57:47] Speaker 1: Okay. Now does the word fulfill and the word abolish
[57:50] Speaker 1: mean the same thing?
[57:52] Speaker 5: No, it doesn't.
[57:53] Speaker 1: Okay. So when Jesus says I came not to abolish,
[57:56] Speaker 1: but to fulfill, he can't mean that he's getting rid
[57:59] Speaker 1: of the law. He's literally saying the opposite. He's saying,
[58:02] Speaker 1: I did not come to get rid of the law.
[58:04] Speaker 1: I came to do the law. This is why he
[58:07] Speaker 1: follows it with truly, I tell you, until heaven and
[58:10] Speaker 1: earth pass away, not one letter, not one stroke of
[58:13] Speaker 1: a letter, will pass away from the law until all's accomplished.
[58:16] Speaker 1: Did heaven and earth pass away? No it did not, okay.
[58:19] Speaker 1: And then he says, therefore, whoever breaks one of the
[58:22] Speaker 1: least of these commandments, and teachers others to do the
[58:24] Speaker 1: same will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven.
[58:27] Speaker 1: And whoever does them and teaches them will be called
[58:30] Speaker 1: great in the Kingdom of Heaven. So does following the
[58:32] Speaker 1: law make you great in the kingdom of heaven?
[58:36] Speaker 5: Yes, it does.
[58:37] Speaker 2: Okay.
[58:37] Speaker 1: Does not following the law make you the least in
[58:40] Speaker 1: the Kingdom of Heaven.
[58:42] Speaker 5: No, it definitely makes you the least in the Kingdom
[58:45] Speaker 5: of the Okay.
[58:46] Speaker 1: So then that means the best thing we could do
[58:48] Speaker 1: if we love Jesus is to follow the law, the
[58:51] Speaker 1: law that he supposedly gave. If you think he's God.
[58:56] Speaker 5: Yes, and he gave the law back in the leted case. Now,
[58:58] Speaker 5: if I go into right talking about why Jesus died
[59:02] Speaker 5: on the cross for everyone sins, if you with your
[59:05] Speaker 5: analogy of the seatbelt, right, if you don't buckle your seatbelt,
[59:08] Speaker 5: then there's something you have to do. You have to
[59:10] Speaker 5: answer for. Not for not buckling your seatbelt. That is
[59:15] Speaker 5: a penalty, a penalty that you will have to pay.
[59:17] Speaker 1: And that penalties irrelevant. We're talking about whether or we
[59:21] Speaker 1: should follow the law.
[59:22] Speaker 5: Well, like I said, if the slavery was a punishment
[59:26] Speaker 5: done to the Heathens, not a form of trends of
[59:28] Speaker 5: trans of transitioning into them in the Christianity. But in
[59:32] Speaker 5: terms of a punishment, doesn't matter.
[59:34] Speaker 1: Everyone should Should we follow the law?
[59:35] Speaker 5: Yes?
[59:36] Speaker 1: Or non?
[59:38] Speaker 5: See you're saying it doesn't matter.
[59:39] Speaker 1: But should should Christians follow the law? Yes?
[59:42] Speaker 5: You know, answer your question, jump to another question. I
[59:45] Speaker 5: finish answering.
[59:45] Speaker 1: Because you didn't answer my question, you're pivoting to a
[59:48] Speaker 1: new topic. I'm asking, should people follow the law of God?
[59:52] Speaker 1: Does God want you to follow that law?
[59:54] Speaker 5: Yes?
[59:54] Speaker 1: God wants And does the law say that you're allowed
[59:58] Speaker 1: to take slaves as a punishment? Yeah? No, Okay, show
[1:00:02] Speaker 1: me where it says as a punishment.
[1:00:03] Speaker 5: Only literally in every single.
[1:00:07] Speaker 1: Show me, show me, Lexis, show me, show it to me.
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: Because you're lying, your liar.
[1:00:11] Speaker 5: Okay, they'll let me go ahead and pull it up
[1:00:13] Speaker 5: for you. Let's go back to Leviticus, and we're gonna
[1:00:17] Speaker 5: go ahead and go through the scripture again, Leviticus twenty five,
[1:00:25] Speaker 5: and we're going to go through the entirety. And even
[1:00:28] Speaker 5: if we take into consideration that you call them slaves,
[1:00:31] Speaker 5: let's call them slaves exactly how you say it.
[1:00:33] Speaker 1: I don't care what you call them. You can call
[1:00:35] Speaker 1: them your butler, you can call them your maide. None
[1:00:37] Speaker 1: of that matters. There are people that are owned as property,
[1:00:41] Speaker 1: they're owned for a life, they're not allowed to go free,
[1:00:44] Speaker 1: and they're treated harshly.
[1:00:46] Speaker 5: Okay, we're gonna It doesn't say anything about treating.
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: Them hard it does, yeah, it certainly, it certainly does.
[1:00:52] Speaker 1: It says, it says you may treat them as slaves,
[1:00:55] Speaker 1: but as for your fellow, is your lights. No one
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: shall rule over the other with harsh If you say,
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: if you say listen, if you have two children, and
[1:01:04] Speaker 1: you say, listen, you can treat this one like a slave,
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: but don't treat the other one harshly, you're implicitly saying
[1:01:12] Speaker 1: that the first one you're allowed to treat harshly. If
[1:01:14] Speaker 1: you didn't want any of them to be treated harshly,
[1:01:16] Speaker 1: you would say, don't treat anyone harshly.
[1:01:18] Speaker 2: But it doesn't say that.
[1:01:22] Speaker 5: The nature. And again I'm going to go and I'm
[1:01:24] Speaker 5: going to just go straight to the scripture. We're not
[1:01:26] Speaker 5: going to jump around. We'll just go straight to the
[1:01:28] Speaker 5: scripture on this one, because again we're not going to trump,
[1:01:31] Speaker 5: We're not going to try and imply or change or anything,
[1:01:33] Speaker 5: because if I try to imply or change anything, you're
[1:01:36] Speaker 5: going to say you can't do that. But if you
[1:01:38] Speaker 5: imply and change anything, we're also going to stick with
[1:01:40] Speaker 5: that same lesson.
[1:01:41] Speaker 1: No, that's just how words work. When you literally say
[1:01:45] Speaker 1: you could treat somebody like a slave, and then it says,
[1:01:48] Speaker 1: but these other people don't treat them harshly. That butt
[1:01:52] Speaker 1: is very important. That means in contrast to these other people.
[1:01:58] Speaker 1: Meaning this only apply is to one group of people,
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: not to the other group of people. That's just how
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: words work.
[1:02:06] Speaker 5: So then let's go so by here. If any of
[1:02:09] Speaker 5: your fellow Israelites become poor and sell themselves to you, I'm.
[1:02:12] Speaker 1: Sorry our foreigners.
[1:02:15] Speaker 5: We're going let me finish, but our Israels foreigners, Okay,
[1:02:19] Speaker 5: then I'll skip down to the part where you're talking about.
[1:02:22] Speaker 5: There are there. We're gonna skip down to the part
[1:02:24] Speaker 5: you're talking about. Because your male and female slaves are
[1:02:32] Speaker 5: to come from the nations around you. From them, you
[1:02:35] Speaker 5: may buy slaves. You may also buy some of the
[1:02:38] Speaker 5: temporary residents living among you and members of their clans
[1:02:42] Speaker 5: born in your country, and they will become your property.
[1:02:44] Speaker 5: You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property,
[1:02:48] Speaker 5: and can make them slaves for life. But you must
[1:02:51] Speaker 5: not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly, which is the
[1:02:54] Speaker 5: where you get the butts from. Right, If a foreigner
[1:02:56] Speaker 5: residing among you, going completely, now we're in forty seven.
[1:03:00] Speaker 5: If a foreigner reminds residing among you becomes rich, and
[1:03:03] Speaker 5: if any of your fellow Israelites become poor and sell
[1:03:06] Speaker 5: themselves to the foreigner or to a member of the
[1:03:08] Speaker 5: foreigner's clan, they retain the right of redemption. After they
[1:03:12] Speaker 5: have sold themselves. One of their relatives may be may
[1:03:15] Speaker 5: redeem them, an uncle or a cousin or blood relative
[1:03:18] Speaker 5: in their clan, and their clan may redeem them, or
[1:03:21] Speaker 5: if they prosper, they may redeem themselves. They and their
[1:03:24] Speaker 5: buyer are count to the time of the year that
[1:03:26] Speaker 5: they have sold themselves your jubilee. Right, That was what
[1:03:29] Speaker 5: you were referencing prior, Right, So we're all referencing that prior.
[1:03:32] Speaker 5: We' again not changing the text. The price of their
[1:03:35] Speaker 5: of their release is to be based on the rate
[1:03:37] Speaker 5: paid higher.
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: So although they're not paid, I.
[1:03:40] Speaker 5: Can continue, I can continue.
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: Right, What did you say, it doesn't say anything about
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: them being paid the price.
[1:03:50] Speaker 5: The price for their release is to be based on
[1:03:52] Speaker 5: a rate paid. I just said, I'm just reading the text.
[1:03:55] Speaker 2: That you're not reading the text. What are you reading?
[1:03:58] Speaker 5: I'm reading the text the price read.
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: What version are you reading from?
[1:04:04] Speaker 5: This is the new this is the new English version.
[1:04:06] Speaker 5: This is this is this is literally again, I'm pulling
[1:04:09] Speaker 5: from Leviticus twenty five fifty. If you want to read
[1:04:12] Speaker 5: it from your version, go ahead and read it. They
[1:04:14] Speaker 5: shall with the purchaser the total from the year when
[1:04:19] Speaker 5: they were sold themselves to the alien unto the jubilee
[1:04:22] Speaker 5: ear The price of the cell shall be applied to
[1:04:24] Speaker 5: the number of years. The time that they were with
[1:04:26] Speaker 5: their owners shall be rated as a time hired labor,
[1:04:29] Speaker 5: hired laborer.
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: As the time of a hired laborer. You're not getting
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: paid as the time of you got it. Yeah, at
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: the time of a hired laborer, not the pay of
[1:04:40] Speaker 1: a hired laborer. Meaning you work, reading you meaning you
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: work your debt off, and they calculate your debt as
[1:04:48] Speaker 1: though you were a paid laborer, and then you get
[1:04:51] Speaker 1: your freedom at a particular point in time. Unless somebody
[1:04:54] Speaker 1: redeems you okay.
[1:04:56] Speaker 5: And then this is and who is this referring.
[1:04:58] Speaker 1: To the is your lights, because Israelites were not meant
[1:05:01] Speaker 1: to be permanent slaves of the foreigners. We're talking about
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: what the Israelites are doing to the foreigners, not what
[1:05:08] Speaker 1: the foreigners are allowed to do to the Israelites. So
[1:05:10] Speaker 1: you're barking up the wrong trees. So we're we're what
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: we're what we're addressing. What we're addressing is what the
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: Israelites are allowed to do to the foreigners.
[1:05:22] Speaker 5: This is what I so we are and I'm going
[1:05:25] Speaker 5: to take this here. You're not lexus, lexus, let me finish.
[1:05:29] Speaker 5: Let me lexus.
[1:05:30] Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you. I'm not gonna let you
[1:05:32] Speaker 1: finish because you have no idea what you're doing. Versus
[1:05:35] Speaker 1: forty versus forty seven and beyond are what happens when
[1:05:39] Speaker 1: an Israelite falls prey to a foreigner. We're talking about
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: what foreigners are going to be done, what the isra
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: Lights are doing to the foreigners the other way around.
[1:05:50] Speaker 1: We don't care about this law section. What we care
[1:05:54] Speaker 1: about is what does God say? What does God say
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: the Israelites can do to the foreigners. And just so
[1:05:59] Speaker 1: you know, Lexus, I don't know if if everyone here
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: is tracking, I'm sure they are. My microphone is way
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: fucking louder than yours. If you want to have a
[1:06:06] Speaker 1: productive conversation, stop talking over me. No one will ever
[1:06:11] Speaker 1: hear you. You're just gonna be mumbling forever in the
[1:06:14] Speaker 1: background of the video. It's being saved on YouTube. It's
[1:06:16] Speaker 1: gonna be on the internet for literally fucking ever, and
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: they're only gonna hear you being shouted over because you're
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: not adult enough to have an actual conversation. So if
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: you want to have a conversation, stop talking while I'm
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: trying to talk, and I'll stop interrupting you. When you
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: do the same courtesy to me.
[1:06:34] Speaker 5: Awesome, fantastic, I will do that. That's fair. Cool.
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: Now, the section we care about is what does God
[1:06:42] Speaker 1: say the Hebrews are allowed to do to the foreigners?
[1:06:47] Speaker 1: That's what we care about. The section you're reading right
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: now has nothing to do with that.
[1:06:54] Speaker 5: Okay, can I speak?
[1:06:57] Speaker 1: Are you going to Are you gonna adjust the thing
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: that I said?
[1:07:00] Speaker 5: I got to speak, I gotta speak.
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: But are you going to address the thing that I said.
[1:07:04] Speaker 5: I would love to okay, and if I and like
[1:07:08] Speaker 5: I said, the reason that I read what I read
[1:07:11] Speaker 5: wasn't to try and divert from what you're addressing in
[1:07:14] Speaker 5: the previous scriptures before. But what I am doing is
[1:07:18] Speaker 5: by reading is because this is the nature and how
[1:07:21] Speaker 5: God wants his people to be treated, and the nature
[1:07:24] Speaker 5: of how he's telling the Israelites to treat the other
[1:07:27] Speaker 5: nations around them. He is creating a juxtaposition with how
[1:07:31] Speaker 5: people underneath him when you worship him, and you worship
[1:07:34] Speaker 5: him how he intended are to be treated versus how
[1:07:37] Speaker 5: people who don't worship him are to be treated at
[1:07:40] Speaker 5: that time period. Now we go to like we said,
[1:07:43] Speaker 5: I jumped all the way to the forward part where
[1:07:45] Speaker 5: Jesus Christ comes. When Jesus says, I fulfill the law,
[1:07:48] Speaker 5: to take it into you directly into your point when
[1:07:50] Speaker 5: you said, when I unbuckle, when I buckle my seat melt,
[1:07:54] Speaker 5: I fulfill the law. When I unbuckle my seat belt,
[1:07:56] Speaker 5: I don't fulfill the law. There is a punishment for
[1:07:58] Speaker 5: not fulfilling the law like Jesus that both Jesus and
[1:08:01] Speaker 5: God as one both put into place. One of those punishment.
[1:08:06] Speaker 1: You weren't listening lex I'm gonna interrupt you because you
[1:08:10] Speaker 1: keep rambling on something completely unrelated that I already addressed,
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: and if you were capable of listening, you would have
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: heard what I said about it didn't say anything here
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: about these people being slaves because they were punished. There's
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: no punishment mentioned here. You went back to Leviticus twenty
[1:08:28] Speaker 1: five to prove that there was punishment being entailed here,
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: and I'm still waiting for you to show me where
[1:08:34] Speaker 1: it says anything about these people being punished.
[1:08:38] Speaker 3: Lexus, I'm confused. You've been insisting intermittently that people were
[1:08:46] Speaker 3: taken were owned by other people because they were evil,
[1:08:51] Speaker 3: They worshiped other gods, They had practices that we that
[1:08:54] Speaker 3: were inherently.
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: Harmful.
[1:09:00] Speaker 3: There are people today who are worshiping other gods, or
[1:09:05] Speaker 3: not worshiping a god at all, or practicing witchcraft. Where
[1:09:10] Speaker 3: is it that your God said, don't own people?
[1:09:17] Speaker 5: Am I allowed to answer this question? Because I do
[1:09:19] Speaker 5: not want to be judged. I don't want to be
[1:09:21] Speaker 5: judged for going onto this topic if it doesn't relate
[1:09:25] Speaker 5: to the.
[1:09:25] Speaker 1: I already asked you to give me the answer to
[1:09:28] Speaker 1: this question. You refuse to do it.
[1:09:29] Speaker 2: I'd love for you to answer it.
[1:09:31] Speaker 5: Okay, cool, So this in this time period, like I
[1:09:36] Speaker 5: was saying about Jesus Christ during the time, you're saying
[1:09:39] Speaker 5: for this time period, why.
[1:09:41] Speaker 1: I can't answer it. He's incapable of answering the question.
[1:09:44] Speaker 5: Am I going to be allowed to finish?
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: Show the Bible passage where God said that it's not
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: okay to own slaves? Because saying that, you keep going
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: back to Matthew five, where Jesus fulfilling the law doesn't
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: say anything about punishment. It doesn't say that the slave
[1:10:00] Speaker 1: is a punishment, and Jesus didn't say that the law
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: went away with We already addressed this. It's like you're
[1:10:06] Speaker 1: not even listening. What conversation are you having right now
[1:10:09] Speaker 1: because you're not having a conversation with me.
[1:10:12] Speaker 5: Well, again, you just told me that I'm allowed to
[1:10:15] Speaker 5: answer her question. If I can't answer her question and
[1:10:17] Speaker 5: your question at the same time, I would love to
[1:10:19] Speaker 5: be able to finish my train, but I can't finish
[1:10:21] Speaker 5: it because.
[1:10:22] Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'll tell you. I'll let you finish. I'm
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: going to tell you the exact same thing I just
[1:10:26] Speaker 1: said twice, and I'm going to force you to answer it.
[1:10:28] Speaker 2: Honestly, all right.
[1:10:31] Speaker 5: I'm all for it. Cool. So during the time period
[1:10:35] Speaker 5: right where that happened, it was a punishment. But you
[1:10:38] Speaker 5: guys are saying, because it doesn't specifically explicitly say that
[1:10:41] Speaker 5: it was a punishment, it can't possibly be interpreted as
[1:10:44] Speaker 5: a punishment. When Jesus comes and he says I fulfilled
[1:10:47] Speaker 5: the law, he did, he fulfilled the law and for
[1:10:50] Speaker 5: all of us, meaning that he took the punishment for us.
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: Show me where it says it was a punishment. We
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: just wasted the last it's ten minutes. You said you
[1:11:02] Speaker 1: would show me where it was a punishment. Show me
[1:11:05] Speaker 1: the passage where it says the slavery is the punishment,
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: or you're talking in circles. Nobody gives a damn. Your
[1:11:13] Speaker 1: point is meaningless until you can show us where it
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: says the slavery's a punishment.
[1:11:19] Speaker 5: I am going to directly say right now, as of
[1:11:22] Speaker 5: right now, slavery is not directedly stated in Leviticus as
[1:11:29] Speaker 5: a punishment for that time period. It doesn't say specifically
[1:11:33] Speaker 5: these are a punishment. Then you're talking to the point
[1:11:36] Speaker 5: fails not if you read the entirety of the Bible.
[1:11:40] Speaker 1: I've read all of it multiple times in the original language.
[1:11:44] Speaker 1: Your argument falls apart. Your argument depends on slavery being
[1:11:47] Speaker 1: a punishment, and you just admitted that you have no
[1:11:50] Speaker 1: way of demonstrating that the slavery is in fact a punishment.
[1:11:54] Speaker 5: Actually, all I did was admit that in that particular
[1:11:57] Speaker 5: verse it does not say that slavery is a punishment.
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: And then find me find me one that does say it.
[1:12:03] Speaker 5: Okay, if we if you were to give me a well,
[1:12:09] Speaker 5: I'm not even gonna say that. I'm not even gonna
[1:12:11] Speaker 5: say that, because that's that's setting up for our completely.
[1:12:14] Speaker 1: Because in Exus twenty one, God literally says you can
[1:12:16] Speaker 1: sell your own daughter as a slave.
[1:12:18] Speaker 2: Do you think she's being punished?
[1:12:21] Speaker 5: I don't think anything in Exodus talks about punishing daughters
[1:12:26] Speaker 5: for being slaved.
[1:12:27] Speaker 1: Do you think children that are born into slavery need
[1:12:30] Speaker 1: to be punished?
[1:12:31] Speaker 5: I also don't agree with that.
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: Do you think that children born into slavery should be punished? Lexus,
[1:12:38] Speaker 1: I can't finish a single sentence. I need you to
[1:12:41] Speaker 1: actually focus. This is not your live stream. If I
[1:12:43] Speaker 1: ask you a question, just answer the question, then we
[1:12:45] Speaker 1: can move on. Do you think that children born into
[1:12:49] Speaker 1: slavery need punished.
[1:12:52] Speaker 5: That children born into slavery need to be punished. Is
[1:12:55] Speaker 5: that the question? Yeah, I think that if children are
[1:13:00] Speaker 5: born into slavery and that don't need to be punished,
[1:13:05] Speaker 5: do they deserve to be punished? Their Bible clearly states
[1:13:10] Speaker 5: that there are sins of the father. They don't deserve
[1:13:12] Speaker 5: to be punished either.
[1:13:13] Speaker 1: Okay, sir, So God sets up a system of punishment
[1:13:16] Speaker 1: that's not fair then, according to you, No, you just
[1:13:20] Speaker 1: said it's not fair that they're being punished for this slavery.
[1:13:23] Speaker 1: They're being punished with Okay, so it's not fair that
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: they're being punished with slavery. Then why did the God
[1:13:27] Speaker 1: say that you can own slaves that are born in
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: your household.
[1:13:31] Speaker 5: Because that is a direct consequence of the acts of
[1:13:35] Speaker 5: previous generations?
[1:13:36] Speaker 1: Well, why why didn't he tell them to set them free?
[1:13:38] Speaker 5: Then, because it's a direct consequence of those acts from the.
[1:13:43] Speaker 1: Prece But it's not a direct consequence, it's a decision
[1:13:45] Speaker 1: God made. God could have said, don't own slaves that
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: are born in your household, raise them like they're your
[1:13:50] Speaker 1: own children, let them go free. Then he didn't say that.
[1:13:53] Speaker 1: He said, your permanent slaves.
[1:13:55] Speaker 5: He said, your permanent slaves because of the consequences of
[1:13:58] Speaker 5: the generations before them. But God could but.
[1:14:02] Speaker 1: The consequences, the quences are set by God. God could
[1:14:06] Speaker 1: say that these aren't the consequences, but he said that
[1:14:09] Speaker 1: these are the consequences. So if God could say that
[1:14:13] Speaker 1: the consequences is that your parents go into slavery, but
[1:14:17] Speaker 1: you get to go free, he could have said that,
[1:14:19] Speaker 1: couldn't he, Yes, he could.
[1:14:21] Speaker 2: Okay, so this is the dog shit argument. Try a
[1:14:23] Speaker 2: better one.
[1:14:24] Speaker 5: No, no, no, it's the same argument in which you
[1:14:26] Speaker 5: stated that Jesus can't change the law because he's fulfilling the.
[1:14:29] Speaker 1: Lad It's not even close to that argument.
[1:14:32] Speaker 5: It is the exact same art.
[1:14:33] Speaker 1: No, it's not because God said that you can have
[1:14:36] Speaker 1: slaves born in your household. You said that slavery was
[1:14:40] Speaker 1: only a punishment. But slaves born in someone's household didn't
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: do anything wrong. They don't need to be punished. Your
[1:14:45] Speaker 1: own Hebrew daughters didn't do anything wrong to be sold
[1:14:48] Speaker 1: into slavery.
[1:14:49] Speaker 2: They don't need punished.
[1:14:50] Speaker 1: Saying that slavery is just a punishment is a bull
[1:14:54] Speaker 1: shit argument. And you know it.
[1:14:57] Speaker 5: No, it's not. It is And I can tell you didn't.
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: Find me the passage where it says that you can
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: sell your slave, your daughter as a slave, as a punishment,
[1:15:06] Speaker 1: find me that I.
[1:15:08] Speaker 5: Can't find you the passes that says that directly, because if.
[1:15:11] Speaker 1: I right, because you're making shit up lexis, you're lying,
[1:15:15] Speaker 1: you're lying through your teeth because you can't.
[1:15:16] Speaker 5: Be honest, not even a little bit.
[1:15:19] Speaker 1: Then don't tell me that all these forms of slavery
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: are a punishment, because they're not. The daughter born in
[1:15:26] Speaker 1: get sold into slavery didn't do a damn thing wrong.
[1:15:30] Speaker 5: No, but the generations before then, probably the generations before
[1:15:33] Speaker 5: them did, which is why slavery even exists.
[1:15:36] Speaker 1: Bullshit, And it doesn't say anything about that, doesn't say
[1:15:38] Speaker 1: anything about anyone doing wrong. It says, if you sell
[1:15:42] Speaker 1: your daughter as a slave, this is what happens. Doesn't
[1:15:44] Speaker 1: say anything about it being because your parents were sinful,
[1:15:48] Speaker 1: not a damn thing. You're making that shit up. You're
[1:15:51] Speaker 1: trying to find a reason to justify slavery. And even
[1:15:55] Speaker 1: if that daughter's parents did do something wrong, it still
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: does justify her being sold as a slave. Nothing justifies
[1:16:05] Speaker 1: selling your daughter as a slave.
[1:16:08] Speaker 5: I know, but that's that's The whole point of stating
[1:16:13] Speaker 5: that it being as a punishment goes.
[1:16:15] Speaker 1: Into the name punishment for who the daughter? She didn't
[1:16:19] Speaker 1: do anything wrong. Why does God allow you to sell
[1:16:23] Speaker 1: your daughter as a slave. Why Why wouldn't he just
[1:16:26] Speaker 1: say don't sell your daughters as slaves?
[1:16:28] Speaker 2: Why wouldn't he say that?
[1:16:31] Speaker 5: Am I going to be able to answer this question?
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: Give me the answer. Why wouldn't God just say don't
[1:16:36] Speaker 1: sell your daughter as a slave. She didn't do anything wrong?
[1:16:39] Speaker 5: Because if God were to change the consequences for people's
[1:16:43] Speaker 5: actions today.
[1:16:44] Speaker 1: It's not lexis stop going to Consequences has nothing to
[1:16:49] Speaker 1: do with this. What you're saying is that we shouldn't
[1:16:52] Speaker 1: be selling daughters as slaves. Why didn't God just say
[1:16:57] Speaker 1: don't sell your daughter as a slave? Consequence has nothing
[1:17:00] Speaker 1: to do with it. She didn't do anything wrong.
[1:17:04] Speaker 5: No, but the Bible clearly states that the sins of
[1:17:08] Speaker 5: the father will be visited.
[1:17:10] Speaker 1: It does not matter. It's actually thirty four to seven,
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: and nobody gives a shit. God has control over the consequences.
[1:17:18] Speaker 1: He decided what the consequences are. This is not some
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: objective consequence floating around in the universe that God has
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: to obey. He invented the consequences. If you think that
[1:17:30] Speaker 1: the consequences are not fair, then that's because God made
[1:17:35] Speaker 1: the consequences unfair. That's still on him. Do you understand
[1:17:40] Speaker 1: any of this?
[1:17:42] Speaker 5: I think you said it very beautifully right there. Because
[1:17:45] Speaker 5: God is the one who made the consequences. God gets
[1:17:48] Speaker 5: to decide how the consequences are followed out and what
[1:17:51] Speaker 5: the consequences follow forward. If you find it unfair, you
[1:17:54] Speaker 5: have a problem with God's consequences. Thank you?
[1:17:57] Speaker 1: Okay, So then then you have a problem with God.
[1:18:00] Speaker 1: You think that it's unfair to sell your daughter as
[1:18:03] Speaker 1: a slave, don't you.
[1:18:05] Speaker 5: I don't think it's unfair to sell your daughter as
[1:18:08] Speaker 5: a slave.
[1:18:09] Speaker 1: Oh what a piece of shit, What a piece of shit.
[1:18:11] Speaker 1: It was never a good thing to sell your daughter
[1:18:13] Speaker 1: as a slave. Let me ask you a question. If
[1:18:16] Speaker 1: a man commits a sin, would it be okay to
[1:18:18] Speaker 1: have his wives graped as punishment for that?
[1:18:25] Speaker 5: Would it be okay for no? I can't even repeat that.
[1:18:29] Speaker 1: But is there ever, is there ever a case in
[1:18:33] Speaker 1: all periods of time, in all of history, was there
[1:18:36] Speaker 1: ever a case in which a man, if he commits adultery,
[1:18:40] Speaker 1: the punishment for that should be that his wife or
[1:18:43] Speaker 1: his wives get raped.
[1:18:46] Speaker 5: In my humanity, I would not. I would have to
[1:18:49] Speaker 5: I would have to say no, okay, So I couldn't
[1:18:51] Speaker 5: say not.
[1:18:52] Speaker 1: So could there ever be a situation in which that
[1:18:55] Speaker 1: would be justified?
[1:18:57] Speaker 5: I think, probability wise yes, But I could not.
[1:18:59] Speaker 1: Say no, no, justified. I said justified. I'm not asking
[1:19:02] Speaker 1: if it happened, I'm asking would it ever be justified?
[1:19:06] Speaker 5: I am no, No, no, I am talking about justified.
[1:19:08] Speaker 5: I cannot justify it. I cannot justify in which that
[1:19:12] Speaker 5: would ever be okay?
[1:19:13] Speaker 1: And why can't you?
[1:19:14] Speaker 5: Pretty sure? Why can't I, yeah, justify whether or not
[1:19:20] Speaker 5: it's okay for yeah?
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: Why could you? Why could you never justify it?
[1:19:26] Speaker 5: Because I don't know that though I don't know the
[1:19:29] Speaker 5: acts that go into leading that father into that decision,
[1:19:31] Speaker 5: or the acts that go into leading that person in
[1:19:34] Speaker 5: into and to the other people making that decision.
[1:19:36] Speaker 1: One of the things the wives didn't commit the sin.
[1:19:40] Speaker 1: I'm asking if a man commits a sin, if a
[1:19:43] Speaker 1: man goes and and commits adultery with another woman, is
[1:19:47] Speaker 1: it ever okay for that man's wife or wives to
[1:19:52] Speaker 1: then be raped as a punishment for what that man did.
[1:19:56] Speaker 1: Is there ever reason why that would be okay?
[1:19:58] Speaker 5: It would never be okay.
[1:20:00] Speaker 1: Right because they didn't commit the sin, did they?
[1:20:03] Speaker 5: No, they didn't commit the sense.
[1:20:04] Speaker 1: Okay. Now I'm going to read you a story that
[1:20:06] Speaker 1: I can guarantee you've never read. And there's a last
[1:20:08] Speaker 1: topic we're going to talk about, because you're the most
[1:20:11] Speaker 1: dishonest caller we've had all night. When David committed adultery
[1:20:16] Speaker 1: with Bathsheba, there was two punishments. One punishment was that
[1:20:20] Speaker 1: this child born to the union was made sick and died.
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: The second punishment with David's wives got raped. God speaks
[1:20:28] Speaker 1: through Nathan, and he says, thus, Saith the Lord, I
[1:20:31] Speaker 1: will raise up trouble against you from within your own house,
[1:20:33] Speaker 1: and I will take your wives before your eyes and
[1:20:35] Speaker 1: give them to your neighbor. He will lie with your
[1:20:37] Speaker 1: wives in broad daylight. For you did it secretly, but
[1:20:39] Speaker 1: I will do this thing before all Israel and broad daylight.
[1:20:42] Speaker 1: And then it happened. He raised up somebody in the
[1:20:44] Speaker 1: household of David. He started a coup against his own father.
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: And then when his father went on the run, Absalom
[1:20:53] Speaker 1: stormed the palace, took ten of David's wives, put them
[1:20:56] Speaker 1: on top of the palace and supped with them in
[1:20:58] Speaker 1: broad daylight as a display a force over taking his
[1:21:02] Speaker 1: father's palace.
[1:21:05] Speaker 5: Okay, am I gonna be able to speak to this
[1:21:08] Speaker 5: or are we gonna? Are you gonna yell over me again?
[1:21:10] Speaker 1: I'm probably gonna yell you because I can guarantee you're
[1:21:12] Speaker 1: gonna say that they consented and you're gonna blame the victims,
[1:21:14] Speaker 1: aren't you.
[1:21:16] Speaker 5: Nope?
[1:21:16] Speaker 2: All right, tell me how it was justified for these
[1:21:18] Speaker 2: women to be raped.
[1:21:22] Speaker 5: Because of David's sin. God withdrew his presence from David.
[1:21:27] Speaker 5: God's presence is love. And because God's presence is love
[1:21:30] Speaker 5: and mercy and grace and everything that God's presence is.
[1:21:33] Speaker 5: When God withdraws his presence from somebody as they punishment,
[1:21:38] Speaker 5: all sorts of hell is allowed to break loose. Because
[1:21:41] Speaker 5: did he withdraw his presence from the wives too? Yes?
[1:21:45] Speaker 2: Why did they commit a sin?
[1:21:48] Speaker 5: No? But it was so?
[1:21:49] Speaker 1: Why did he withdraw his presence from the wives? They
[1:21:52] Speaker 1: didn't commit the sin David did.
[1:21:54] Speaker 5: Because that's the consequence of sinning against God.
[1:21:57] Speaker 1: No, no, no, it's not the constant quints of sending
[1:22:00] Speaker 1: it against God, isn't that innocent people should suffer. That's
[1:22:04] Speaker 1: not a consequence that should happen, God says. God says,
[1:22:09] Speaker 1: God says. God says, I will raise up trouble. Remember,
[1:22:12] Speaker 1: no one can hear you when you talk over me.
[1:22:14] Speaker 1: It's never gonna work. Every time you talk over me,
[1:22:17] Speaker 1: all you've ever done is just wasted your breath. So
[1:22:20] Speaker 1: God says, I will cause trouble to raise up against
[1:22:24] Speaker 1: you from within in your own house. I'm causing it
[1:22:27] Speaker 1: to happen. Could God have punished David without causing the
[1:22:31] Speaker 1: wives to be raped? Could he do that?
[1:22:34] Speaker 5: I'm pretty sure there's ways that God could punish David
[1:22:37] Speaker 5: directly without ever involving in the other end.
[1:22:39] Speaker 1: Okay, So then is there a justification for having the
[1:22:43] Speaker 1: wives raped?
[1:22:43] Speaker 7: Yes?
[1:22:44] Speaker 5: Or no? God withdrew his presence, It doesn't matter.
[1:22:48] Speaker 1: I'm asking, is it justified to punish the wives for
[1:22:51] Speaker 1: a crime they never committed when God doesn't have to
[1:22:54] Speaker 1: actually do that.
[1:22:56] Speaker 5: It's not a punishment as much as it's a consequence
[1:22:59] Speaker 5: of yours.
[1:22:59] Speaker 1: It's not a consequence. It's a punishment. God said, I
[1:23:03] Speaker 1: am doing this thing. God decided to do it. He
[1:23:06] Speaker 1: decided what the punishment would be he decided that the
[1:23:11] Speaker 1: punishment was going to be the women getting raped. Could
[1:23:14] Speaker 1: he have done it? Could he have punished David without
[1:23:17] Speaker 1: the women getting raped?
[1:23:20] Speaker 5: I already answered that question, okay, which.
[1:23:22] Speaker 1: Means the rape of the women wasn't necessary. Correct, No,
[1:23:26] Speaker 1: that's not true. Okay, No, it is true. If he
[1:23:28] Speaker 1: could do it without the raping of the women, that
[1:23:30] Speaker 1: means the raping of the women wasn't required, it's unnecessary.
[1:23:35] Speaker 1: By definition, something that's not required is called unnecessary, which
[1:23:40] Speaker 1: means he unnecessarily had the wives of David graped. That's
[1:23:45] Speaker 1: what he did.
[1:23:47] Speaker 5: No, And I'm gonna explain why if I can't I
[1:23:49] Speaker 5: go I'm asking if I can't, if I can explain why,
[1:23:52] Speaker 5: if I'm allowed to, I don't want to go ahead.
[1:23:53] Speaker 2: I'm gonna call you a piece of shit since you're
[1:23:55] Speaker 2: done them awesome.
[1:23:57] Speaker 5: So, like I was saying, when God his presence at
[1:24:01] Speaker 5: the punishment, is God withdrawing his presence. And when God
[1:24:04] Speaker 5: withdraws his presence, God.
[1:24:05] Speaker 1: It's like he doesn't listen to a single word I said.
[1:24:07] Speaker 1: Did you, Lexus, did you hear what I said? When
[1:24:09] Speaker 1: you said this the first time you said that it's
[1:24:13] Speaker 1: God directly doing it. No, so you're wrong. You're implying
[1:24:17] Speaker 1: almost We'll try.
[1:24:19] Speaker 2: This is what frustrates the fuck out in me, Lexus. I.
[1:24:22] Speaker 1: Every time you raise a point, I address it, and
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: then you pretend like I didn't say anything about it.
[1:24:27] Speaker 1: That's why you're driving me up the fucking wall. Is
[1:24:31] Speaker 1: because I'm directly commenting on everything you say, and then
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: you pretend like you didn't hear a word I said.
[1:24:40] Speaker 1: I commented on your removal of the presence of God.
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: Could God have removed his presence from David and not
[1:24:48] Speaker 1: from the women and done it in a way that
[1:24:50] Speaker 1: the women didn't get raped? Could he do that?
[1:24:54] Speaker 5: Yes?
[1:24:54] Speaker 1: That means the rape of the women was not necessary.
[1:24:59] Speaker 1: Do you on understand that's not true? It's one hundred
[1:25:04] Speaker 1: fucking percent true. Why did they need to be raped?
[1:25:09] Speaker 5: There are reasons in which different things happen to different people.
[1:25:14] Speaker 5: Because if God were.
[1:25:15] Speaker 1: To that's not an answer. You can't say there are reasons.
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: Give me an actual answer why the wives had to
[1:25:22] Speaker 1: be raped.
[1:25:23] Speaker 2: What's the reason?
[1:25:24] Speaker 5: Because if God were to punish David directly, right, if
[1:25:29] Speaker 5: he punish it directly without involving anybody in the Kingdom,
[1:25:33] Speaker 5: or anybody around David or anybody or that would hurt David.
[1:25:36] Speaker 5: That would not be a punishment for David to realize
[1:25:40] Speaker 5: the actions in which he did.
[1:25:41] Speaker 1: Yes, it fucking would. He killed his own son. He
[1:25:44] Speaker 1: had his son killed. You think having your child killed
[1:25:47] Speaker 1: is enough for you to realize you did a bad
[1:25:49] Speaker 1: He admitted his sin, He repented of his sin before
[1:25:53] Speaker 1: the punishment ever got enacted. He was already remorseful. He
[1:25:58] Speaker 1: already repented of his sin. None of these other punishments
[1:26:01] Speaker 1: needed to happen.
[1:26:03] Speaker 5: And what happened right after David heard about his son dying.
[1:26:06] Speaker 5: What did he do?
[1:26:08] Speaker 1: He stopped his mourning. He only mourned while the child
[1:26:10] Speaker 1: was sick, and when the child finally passed, he quit mourning.
[1:26:14] Speaker 5: Exactly means he.
[1:26:16] Speaker 1: So he already so, He already knew he did wrong.
[1:26:20] Speaker 1: He was already remorseful for his sin. God had already
[1:26:23] Speaker 1: forgiven his sin. When Nathan approaches him, he repents of
[1:26:26] Speaker 1: his sin, and Nathan says, God has already put away
[1:26:29] Speaker 1: your sin, which means the whole deal was over.
[1:26:32] Speaker 2: He didn't have to have the women raped.
[1:26:35] Speaker 5: No, the whole deal wasn't over. And yeah, well, the
[1:26:37] Speaker 5: whole deal wasn't over. And the reason the whole deal
[1:26:40] Speaker 5: wasn't over is because David is the kind David during
[1:26:42] Speaker 5: the time period was I'm not even gonna say diamond
[1:26:44] Speaker 5: time period. David was the kind of person who valued
[1:26:47] Speaker 5: the people and the people around him more than he
[1:26:50] Speaker 5: valued his own well being.
[1:26:54] Speaker 1: You already admitted that God could punish David without the
[1:26:57] Speaker 1: raping of the women.
[1:26:59] Speaker 5: Yeah, but it wouldn't have. It wouldn't have been a
[1:27:01] Speaker 5: punishment to David. David, Yes, it would have.
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: It would have been a punishment to him.
[1:27:06] Speaker 5: No, David would have gladly taken anything that.
[1:27:08] Speaker 1: God wrong wrong again. It would have been a horrific
[1:27:11] Speaker 1: punishment to him. He was. He was reported because he
[1:27:15] Speaker 1: repented when he was confronted with the sin before even
[1:27:19] Speaker 1: a single punishment was given to him.
[1:27:21] Speaker 2: He repented and was remorseful.
[1:27:25] Speaker 4: He was.
[1:27:26] Speaker 1: He was a man after God's own heart, according to
[1:27:29] Speaker 1: the own book, the man that God chose to leave
[1:27:34] Speaker 1: the United Monarchy, the man after God's own heart, the
[1:27:37] Speaker 1: one that is the model for the Messiah. You're telling me,
[1:27:42] Speaker 1: the guy that God chose as the foundational model for
[1:27:45] Speaker 1: the Messiah needed to have his wives raped, so he
[1:27:49] Speaker 1: would learn a lesson. If that's the case, If even
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: King fucking David couldn't learn a lesson without having his
[1:27:55] Speaker 1: wives raped, what hope do we have? Your wife should
[1:27:58] Speaker 1: be raped, everyone's wife should be If even King David
[1:28:01] Speaker 1: couldn't learn a lesson without his wife's being raped, I
[1:28:04] Speaker 1: hope you understand what kind of a piece of shit
[1:28:06] Speaker 1: argument you're giving right now and how bad it makes
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: you look. Right now. You're looking like an absolute piece
[1:28:11] Speaker 1: of ship right now justifying slavery and raping women who
[1:28:16] Speaker 1: didn't commit a single sin.
[1:28:18] Speaker 5: Okay, So if I'm going to continue to talk, what
[1:28:21] Speaker 5: I would like what I'm going to say is, during
[1:28:24] Speaker 5: that time period David clearly states through multiple toms of
[1:28:28] Speaker 5: his remorse, when he gets back into the kind of
[1:28:31] Speaker 5: person that we acknowledged as.
[1:28:34] Speaker 1: Again, he didn't he didn't respond to anything I just said.
[1:28:37] Speaker 1: It's like, it's like he's in a completely different conversation.
[1:28:40] Speaker 1: Respond to the words that just left my mouth. Flexus,
[1:28:44] Speaker 1: you just called me a bunch of pieces of shit
[1:28:47] Speaker 1: because you are a piece of shit, because you're incapable
[1:28:49] Speaker 1: of having an adult dialogue. I've been on you with
[1:28:53] Speaker 1: over an hour now, and you haven't been honest the
[1:28:56] Speaker 1: entire time you've been up here. What you've been doing
[1:28:58] Speaker 1: is waiting for me to stop talking so you can
[1:29:00] Speaker 1: carry on your talking points without dressing a single thing
[1:29:03] Speaker 1: I ever did or ever said. Meanwhile, the whole time
[1:29:06] Speaker 1: I've been up here, I've been addressing every point that
[1:29:08] Speaker 1: you raise face on, which is why you're driving me
[1:29:12] Speaker 1: insane and everybody else here insane, because not only are
[1:29:15] Speaker 1: you a piece of shit, you have no idea. You're
[1:29:16] Speaker 1: a piece of shit. At least at least we get
[1:29:19] Speaker 1: people up here that know that they're being pieces of
[1:29:21] Speaker 1: shit while they're being pieces of shit.
[1:29:24] Speaker 5: Well, I would lie again. I'm going to killarly state
[1:29:28] Speaker 5: if you want me to, and I've been addressing you
[1:29:30] Speaker 5: exactly how you want me address me anytime that I
[1:29:32] Speaker 5: get into a point that doesn't directly fall into the
[1:29:35] Speaker 5: realm of which you want me to directly say. Oh,
[1:29:38] Speaker 5: I'm going to say this, and I'm going to say
[1:29:39] Speaker 5: that because Lexus, I.
[1:29:41] Speaker 1: Asked you to respond to the argument I gave in
[1:29:47] Speaker 1: response to your argument. That's how arguments work. You say something,
[1:29:53] Speaker 1: I respond to the thing you said. I say the
[1:29:56] Speaker 1: thing you respond to the thing I said, what you're
[1:29:59] Speaker 1: doing is you're saying a thing, I'm responding to the thing,
[1:30:03] Speaker 1: and then you're ignoring the thing that I said, moving
[1:30:06] Speaker 1: on to a different argument. That's not how conversations work.
[1:30:09] Speaker 1: That's not even how fucking debates work. Respond to the
[1:30:12] Speaker 1: thing coming out of my mouth before you move on
[1:30:16] Speaker 1: to a new topic, or there's no debate being had.
[1:30:21] Speaker 1: So I already told you, we already had a line
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: of dialogue, and you already said that God could punish
[1:30:28] Speaker 1: David without the raping of the wives. And then I said,
[1:30:33] Speaker 1: David is the man who is after God's own heart.
[1:30:37] Speaker 1: Nobody has been like David since David. That's why he's
[1:30:40] Speaker 1: the role model for the actual Messiah. So if David
[1:30:46] Speaker 1: couldn't even take a punishment without having his wives raped,
[1:30:50] Speaker 1: then what hope does anybody else have? By the same logic,
[1:30:53] Speaker 1: anybody who has a husband committing adultery, their wives, by
[1:30:57] Speaker 1: logical extensions, should be raped too, because we can't be
[1:31:01] Speaker 1: any better than David, We can't learn any better than David,
[1:31:04] Speaker 1: because David is the role model. Do you understand my argument?
[1:31:10] Speaker 5: I understand it clear now, Okay.
[1:31:12] Speaker 1: Now, respond to the words that left my mouth, don't
[1:31:15] Speaker 1: pivot to something new.
[1:31:18] Speaker 5: I won't directly, you said, because David is the role
[1:31:22] Speaker 5: model in which going after God's own heart. If he
[1:31:27] Speaker 5: sinned and the consequences for his sin were what you
[1:31:30] Speaker 5: said they were, how what hope do any of us
[1:31:33] Speaker 5: have to be able to be saved from the consequences
[1:31:37] Speaker 5: of our sin the Bible You're about to preach and
[1:31:41] Speaker 5: don't do it.
[1:31:42] Speaker 1: Don't fucking do it. That's not an answer to my question.
[1:31:45] Speaker 1: The answer the answer to my not even us, not
[1:31:50] Speaker 1: even fucking close to my argument. My argument is, should
[1:31:54] Speaker 1: the punishment for literally everybody else since David, shouldn't have
[1:31:59] Speaker 1: been the result of the wives being raped. That's what
[1:32:02] Speaker 1: I'm asking I'm not asking you about an schaeological question.
[1:32:06] Speaker 1: I'm asking you about why David wives needed to be raped,
[1:32:10] Speaker 1: but nobody else has ever needed to be raped? Why
[1:32:13] Speaker 1: just David? When David was the best of us.
[1:32:21] Speaker 5: Mike, Because David is the person who would take any
[1:32:27] Speaker 5: punishment that God would give him without being worried about.
[1:32:31] Speaker 9: How it affected him. He would totally take those punishments.
[1:32:34] Speaker 9: But notice how every punishment that David took, even to
[1:32:37] Speaker 9: the part where David created a census for the people
[1:32:41] Speaker 9: around him, and the punishment was half of the people dying.
[1:32:43] Speaker 9: David prayed and bade God, don't punish me, don't punish
[1:32:47] Speaker 9: the rest of the nations.
[1:32:48] Speaker 5: Don't punish anybody else.
[1:32:49] Speaker 1: I know the Second Sandwich, chapter twelve. You're making it
[1:32:51] Speaker 1: even worse. God is killing. God killed seventy thousand Israelites
[1:32:56] Speaker 1: for the sin of David.
[1:32:58] Speaker 5: Yes he does.
[1:32:59] Speaker 1: Why Why why why does God kill people so often
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: that didn't commit the sin?
[1:33:04] Speaker 5: Because because the Stavid was the king, he was the
[1:33:08] Speaker 5: representative for all of Israel. He needed to understand what
[1:33:11] Speaker 5: that meant. He didn't just get to be Oh, I'm
[1:33:14] Speaker 5: the king and all the things that I do is
[1:33:16] Speaker 5: just myself and everything I do, I'm only going to
[1:33:19] Speaker 5: be the only one that suffers from it. God doesn't
[1:33:21] Speaker 5: treat us that way.
[1:33:22] Speaker 1: You're making You're making it worse. Lexus. We started this
[1:33:25] Speaker 1: conversation by determining what does it mean? What does what
[1:33:28] Speaker 1: is justice? I ask you, is it ever just? Is
[1:33:32] Speaker 1: it ever just for a man's wives to be raped
[1:33:35] Speaker 1: for the sin of the man? You said no, he
[1:33:38] Speaker 1: said there wasn't. Then I took you to the Bible,
[1:33:40] Speaker 1: and now you're bending into literal fucking pretzels trying to
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: justify why God did this horrific action. The reality of
[1:33:47] Speaker 1: the matter is the Bible doesn't care about women. They're
[1:33:50] Speaker 1: They're just one step above slaves. That's why God is
[1:33:54] Speaker 1: okay having women raped, having women raped for a crime
[1:33:59] Speaker 1: they did, didn't fucking commit. Because the God of this
[1:34:02] Speaker 1: Bible thinks that women are just one step above property,
[1:34:05] Speaker 1: which is why he's obsessed with their virginity. He's obsessed
[1:34:09] Speaker 1: with them being obedient to their husbands.
[1:34:14] Speaker 5: Oh I'm aftime talking now, Okay? Cool? So, like I
[1:34:17] Speaker 5: was saying, David was the kind of person who would
[1:34:22] Speaker 5: take any punishment that God would take him in that
[1:34:24] Speaker 5: particular scripture, I'm being honest on hun.
[1:34:27] Speaker 1: You still haven't substantiated that David needed to have his
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: wives raped. Alls you're saying is that God was incapable
[1:34:36] Speaker 1: of actually punishing David adequately, which means you don't believe
[1:34:39] Speaker 1: in all powerful God. If God's not capable of punishing
[1:34:43] Speaker 1: David a method that is adequately able to cause him
[1:34:47] Speaker 1: to feel remorse, then your God is weak and not
[1:34:51] Speaker 1: pedantic empathetic.
[1:34:52] Speaker 2: Your God is weak and pathetic.
[1:34:55] Speaker 5: You know, the problem with that way of thinking. I
[1:34:57] Speaker 5: would totally, one hundred percent agree with that way of thinking.
[1:35:00] Speaker 5: It's the problem.
[1:35:00] Speaker 1: It's not a way of thinking. It's just logic. It's
[1:35:03] Speaker 1: logically true. It's just logically true. If your God is
[1:35:07] Speaker 1: unable to punish David without having the wives raped, then
[1:35:11] Speaker 1: your God's not all powerful.
[1:35:14] Speaker 5: So, like I was saying, when God makes that decision,
[1:35:19] Speaker 5: we're under the impression that we know a better way
[1:35:22] Speaker 5: to enact that because we're the kind of people that
[1:35:25] Speaker 5: can justify or say this is it's not.
[1:35:30] Speaker 1: It's not. It's not an argument about morality. It's a
[1:35:32] Speaker 1: logical problem. Right. If your God is incapable of punishing
[1:35:37] Speaker 1: David in a method that results in remorse without having
[1:35:43] Speaker 1: the wives raped, then it means that your God is
[1:35:45] Speaker 1: incapable of doing something, which means he's not all powerful.
[1:35:51] Speaker 1: It's just a logically true argument.
[1:35:54] Speaker 5: By that logic, anybody who doesn't do something, no, could
[1:35:58] Speaker 5: do something wrong.
[1:36:00] Speaker 1: Again, Lexus, God's all powerful. No, it's not, Lexus. No,
[1:36:04] Speaker 1: it's fucking not. We're not. Lexus. Listen to the words
[1:36:09] Speaker 1: out of my fucking mouth. God is all powerful. We're not.
[1:36:12] Speaker 1: We can't do all kinds of shit. Your God can
[1:36:16] Speaker 1: do anything, right, So if your God can do anything
[1:36:21] Speaker 1: and there's nothing he can't do, that means he's capable
[1:36:25] Speaker 1: of punishing David in a way which gets the message
[1:36:28] Speaker 1: across to him without having the women raped. That's what
[1:36:32] Speaker 1: it means to be all powerful. Do you understand that
[1:36:35] Speaker 1: this is an analytically true argument about God, not about humans?
[1:36:42] Speaker 5: That would be the You're implying that punishing David in
[1:36:46] Speaker 5: that fashion was just about David?
[1:36:50] Speaker 1: Who else needed to be punished? Do you think the
[1:36:52] Speaker 1: wives need to be punished?
[1:36:53] Speaker 3: The one at fault, the women who were publicly great.
[1:37:00] Speaker 3: That happened under God's command. It wasn't the withdrawal of
[1:37:06] Speaker 3: God's presence and love. He instructed that it be done.
[1:37:14] Speaker 3: He might as well graped them himself.
[1:37:20] Speaker 5: Pretty much so, so it tells so basically God is
[1:37:23] Speaker 5: telling Absolom, go ahead, go rape those women. Go do
[1:37:26] Speaker 5: that because I'm God, and I'm telling you, Absolom, go rape.
[1:37:29] Speaker 1: Those He says, I'm causing it to happen. He says,
[1:37:32] Speaker 1: I will raise up trouble against you from within your
[1:37:34] Speaker 1: inurn house, and I will take your wives. God caused
[1:37:37] Speaker 1: it to happen. If God didn't cause it to happen,
[1:37:40] Speaker 1: it wouldn't have happened.
[1:37:42] Speaker 5: You're one hundred percent correct, But how does God cause
[1:37:45] Speaker 5: it to happen? Except for in constantly, it.
[1:37:48] Speaker 1: Does not matter how He caused it to happen. The
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: only thing that matters, true, The only thing that matters
[1:37:53] Speaker 1: is it It doesn't. The only thing that matters that
[1:37:56] Speaker 1: He caused it to happen. If I killed a man
[1:37:58] Speaker 1: by stabbing him, doesn't matter how I stabbed him. It
[1:38:02] Speaker 1: matters that I stabbed him and killed him. How I
[1:38:04] Speaker 1: did it isn't that important. The problem is that I
[1:38:06] Speaker 1: did it in the first place. It doesn't matter how
[1:38:09] Speaker 1: God had the wives raped. It matters that He had
[1:38:12] Speaker 1: it happen in the first place.
[1:38:15] Speaker 5: So it doesn't matter when somebody does something, it doesn't
[1:38:18] Speaker 5: matter what they did, or it only matters what people do,
[1:38:22] Speaker 5: It doesn't matter how they did.
[1:38:23] Speaker 1: Does it do it matter that God said he's causing
[1:38:26] Speaker 1: it to happen?
[1:38:28] Speaker 5: Yes?
[1:38:29] Speaker 1: It does because okay, so does God have responsibility?
[1:38:34] Speaker 5: Yes?
[1:38:34] Speaker 6: He does.
[1:38:34] Speaker 1: Okay, what have happened if if God didn't cause it
[1:38:38] Speaker 1: to happen?
[1:38:41] Speaker 5: No, it wouldn't if God?
[1:38:42] Speaker 1: Okay, that means God is responsible for the women being raped.
[1:38:46] Speaker 1: Say it, get let it, Let let the words come
[1:38:49] Speaker 1: out of your lying lips. Say God is responsible for
[1:38:52] Speaker 1: what happened to the women.
[1:38:54] Speaker 5: Say it, that's not true. Say it, it's not true.
[1:38:59] Speaker 1: It is true. God says, I'm raising up trouble against you.
[1:39:03] Speaker 1: I will take your wives. You literally just said that
[1:39:06] Speaker 1: God is responsible. What does it mean when someone says
[1:39:09] Speaker 1: I am doing something? Is that taking responsibility?
[1:39:13] Speaker 5: God takes one hundred percent credit for being the one
[1:39:16] Speaker 5: to remove himself and cause that to happiness.
[1:39:20] Speaker 1: It didn't say anything about removing himself. You keep adding
[1:39:22] Speaker 1: that bullshit into the passage. Just not in there. God says,
[1:39:26] Speaker 1: I'm causing something to happen. I am raising up trouble
[1:39:30] Speaker 1: against you. I am taking your wives. It wouldn't have
[1:39:34] Speaker 1: happened unless God wanted it to happen, would it?
[1:39:38] Speaker 5: By that text? You're by only addressing the text. If
[1:39:42] Speaker 5: you say, oh, the text is the text. Can you
[1:39:44] Speaker 5: tell me how God did it?
[1:39:46] Speaker 1: Yes, he caused Absalom to rebel against his own father
[1:39:51] Speaker 1: and take the wives, and he influenced a hithefel apparently
[1:39:55] Speaker 1: to give that advice to Absalom, which is why he
[1:39:59] Speaker 1: says a I will take your wives. God has the responsibility.
[1:40:05] Speaker 1: You just said a minute ago. If God didn't cause
[1:40:07] Speaker 1: it to happen, it wouldn't have happened. Are you lying?
[1:40:10] Speaker 1: Are you saying that you take that back?
[1:40:12] Speaker 6: Now? No?
[1:40:14] Speaker 5: How does he do it?
[1:40:15] Speaker 1: It doesn't fucking matter. Would it happen if God didn't
[1:40:18] Speaker 1: cause it to happen? Oh my gosh, say yes or no?
[1:40:25] Speaker 1: Let it leave your lying lips. Would it have happened
[1:40:28] Speaker 1: if God didn't cause it to happen.
[1:40:30] Speaker 5: Not at all.
[1:40:31] Speaker 1: Okay, So if it happened, if it wouldn't have happened
[1:40:35] Speaker 1: unless God caused it to happen. Then does that mean
[1:40:40] Speaker 1: that God is responsible for the thing happening.
[1:40:46] Speaker 5: He's responsible for removing his presence.
[1:40:48] Speaker 1: No, he's responsible for the acts that happened. Because he said,
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: I'm causing these things to happen. He says, I will
[1:40:57] Speaker 1: take your wives. He didn't say I'm gonna pull back
[1:41:00] Speaker 1: and see what the fuck happens. He didn't say that.
[1:41:04] Speaker 1: He said I'm taking your wives.
[1:41:06] Speaker 2: I'm causing it to happen.
[1:41:08] Speaker 1: Stop lying on the book. Stop being a lying, dishonest,
[1:41:13] Speaker 1: cowardly pos Just say what the book says. The book
[1:41:17] Speaker 1: says God said I'm doing it, yes or no.
[1:41:21] Speaker 5: God says I caused it to happen.
[1:41:23] Speaker 1: Yes, okay. So if you cause something to happen, are
[1:41:29] Speaker 1: you responsible for the thing that you caused?
[1:41:34] Speaker 5: You're responsible for everything that you do.
[1:41:37] Speaker 1: Okay, So if you cause it to happen, you are
[1:41:40] Speaker 1: responsible for it, which means God is responsible for the
[1:41:44] Speaker 1: thing that he caused, namely the women being raped. Isn't
[1:41:49] Speaker 1: he Well, you already admitted it. Just let the words
[1:41:55] Speaker 1: leave your lying lips. Say God is responsible for the
[1:42:00] Speaker 1: thing that he caused to happen.
[1:42:04] Speaker 5: God's responsible for all of his actions.
[1:42:07] Speaker 1: Hunt okay, and does his actions include causing the women
[1:42:11] Speaker 1: to be graped?
[1:42:13] Speaker 5: How does he cause it?
[1:42:14] Speaker 1: He says he's causing it. The question is is he
[1:42:18] Speaker 1: responsible for the thing he says he's doing.
[1:42:22] Speaker 5: Yes, he's responsible for the thing that he Thank you, okay.
[1:42:25] Speaker 1: He says he's going to have the women taken, which
[1:42:28] Speaker 1: means he's responsible.
[1:42:31] Speaker 2: That's what that means. It's just logically true.
[1:42:35] Speaker 1: You've been up here on an hour and fourteen minutes
[1:42:39] Speaker 1: making an utter fool out of yourself. He caused it
[1:42:42] Speaker 1: to happen. He caused it to happen by influencing Absalom
[1:42:46] Speaker 1: against David.
[1:42:47] Speaker 5: How does he influence Absalom? Does the Bible say?
[1:42:50] Speaker 1: The Bible doesn't tell you how he did it. He
[1:42:52] Speaker 1: just tells it that he caused it. It doesn't matter
[1:42:54] Speaker 1: how you think it happened. The only thing that matters
[1:42:57] Speaker 1: is God says, I am causing it. There's a murder,
[1:43:01] Speaker 1: and you know who the murderer is. It does not
[1:43:04] Speaker 1: matter how the murderer made it happen. What matters is
[1:43:08] Speaker 1: that the murderer murdered the motherfucker. So even if you
[1:43:11] Speaker 1: don't know how God turned all the knobs to make
[1:43:15] Speaker 1: it happen, that's not important. What's important is God says
[1:43:19] Speaker 1: I'm having them raped. I'm causing it, which means He's
[1:43:23] Speaker 1: responsible for it, and you're a lying, dishonest pos I
[1:43:27] Speaker 1: hope you're not married.
[1:43:29] Speaker 5: Even in that same scenario.
[1:43:32] Speaker 1: I can't handle this guy for one second longer, not
[1:43:34] Speaker 1: one fucking second longer.
[1:43:38] Speaker 3: I have rarely seen you that heated. I am exhausted.
[1:43:42] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's pretty exhausting. Actually, I don't know why I
[1:43:44] Speaker 1: put up with these people.
[1:43:47] Speaker 3: His extra biblical bullshit was depleting.
[1:43:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, like the amount of like the lies
[1:44:00] Speaker 1: and the cognitive dissonance that you have to put yourself
[1:44:03] Speaker 1: in to say slavery was never justified, and then go
[1:44:07] Speaker 1: and justify fucking slavery and then say it's never okay
[1:44:11] Speaker 1: to have women raped for the crimes of the husband's
[1:44:13] Speaker 1: and then justify the raping of the women. It's crazy
[1:44:16] Speaker 1: that you would do that and then not think to yourself,
[1:44:20] Speaker 1: I'm kind of I'm being double tongued here, right. The
[1:44:23] Speaker 1: fact that he got up here and thought that he
[1:44:24] Speaker 1: was doing the Lord's work while lying through his mouth
[1:44:27] Speaker 1: is the craziest thing I've ever seen.
[1:44:30] Speaker 3: And the irony of the last piece of content is
[1:44:34] Speaker 3: that part of the Bible is one place where God
[1:44:37] Speaker 3: actually owns having caused something. Yeah, and Luxus wanted to
[1:44:44] Speaker 3: get him out of it with the presence being gone.
[1:44:47] Speaker 1: It right, as long as I add stuff that a
[1:44:50] Speaker 1: text us not there, I can find a way to
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: wiggle around it. All right, guys, let me grab some
[1:44:55] Speaker 1: super jazz. We'll get our last guests.
[1:44:58] Speaker 3: I'm gonna jump down. I have to go look for
[1:45:00] Speaker 3: apartments tomorrow.
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: So all right, doctor Joe, thank you so much for
[1:45:05] Speaker 1: joining me. Sorry, you had to sit there that Oh no,
[1:45:07] Speaker 1: that was that was it was. It was great to
[1:45:09] Speaker 1: see you do your work. All I have a good guys.
[1:45:12] Speaker 1: Make sure you've follow doctor Joe and make sure you're
[1:45:14] Speaker 1: in our discord community. Doctor Joe, have a great night,
[1:45:16] Speaker 1: get some rest.
[1:45:21] Speaker 2: W for doctor Joe.
[1:45:22] Speaker 1: The cool says, words don't mean words if I don't
[1:45:25] Speaker 1: like them, you pretty much nailed it. That's the goal.
[1:45:27] Speaker 1: The goal is to make sure the words never have
[1:45:30] Speaker 1: meanings right and rock Hard for Doug, thank you for
[1:45:33] Speaker 1: the Superjest says these tree lovers are claiming Jesus was
[1:45:36] Speaker 1: a carpenter when in reality he was a tech ton
[1:45:39] Speaker 1: more likely working with stone. It all ties back to Doug. Hell, Yeah,
[1:45:43] Speaker 1: he was a tech ton. You nailed it. In fact,
[1:45:48] Speaker 1: like a lot of stuff was made from stone back then.
[1:45:51] Speaker 1: Hell Jesus was laid in the major with was probably
[1:45:55] Speaker 1: hewn stone. It was probably a stone manger. Jesus was
[1:45:59] Speaker 1: rock hard from bird. It's right there in the story, guys,
[1:46:02] Speaker 1: and rockhard for Doug gifting out five Deconstruction Zone memberships
[1:46:05] Speaker 1: as well, big W I appreciate that, and shit Carlos
[1:46:09] Speaker 1: sending out ten Deconstruction Zone memberships Big w Carlos, I
[1:46:13] Speaker 1: really appreciate that we're adding to the crack and crew. Guys,
[1:46:16] Speaker 1: we're making it big and Singer Soul, thank you for
[1:46:19] Speaker 1: the ten dollar Superchat says you should ask Alexis that
[1:46:24] Speaker 1: when we defeated the WW two World War two Germans,
[1:46:28] Speaker 1: should we have taken prisoners of war, women and children
[1:46:31] Speaker 1: as slaves since some of them did bad things.
[1:46:34] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[1:46:34] Speaker 1: Actually, that's a really good talking point that I've heard before.
[1:46:38] Speaker 1: I didn't think about, but that's a really good one.
[1:46:40] Speaker 1: I do like that one. Yeah, if you think that
[1:46:42] Speaker 1: it's okay to punish people with slavery, there's a lot
[1:46:45] Speaker 1: of modern examples we can think of. And my guess
[1:46:49] Speaker 1: is he wouldn't like it, but he would run away
[1:46:51] Speaker 1: to well, you know, because Jesus came, he got rid
[1:46:53] Speaker 1: of the consequences whatever. Scott Duff, thank you for the
[1:46:59] Speaker 1: six six on Venmoscott says it's difficult to get a
[1:47:02] Speaker 1: man to understand something when its salary depends on not
[1:47:06] Speaker 1: understanding it. Upton Sinclair, Yeah, that's a good one, and
[1:47:10] Speaker 1: you're one hundred percent right too. Riding sound Waves says
[1:47:13] Speaker 1: I heard Doug is the basalt of the earth. Doug
[1:47:17] Speaker 1: is the basalt of the earth. Ain't met absolutely he is.
[1:47:22] Speaker 1: Thank you for the super chat and praise Doug the
[1:47:25] Speaker 1: Rock of Salvation. And here he is again. He says,
[1:47:29] Speaker 1: I was traveling on the road to Damascus and had
[1:47:32] Speaker 1: a vision where Christians were taking people as Butler's owned
[1:47:36] Speaker 1: for life, and Doug said that that was wrong. Thus
[1:47:38] Speaker 1: say it the Rock of Ages, praised Doug. In fact
[1:47:41] Speaker 1: that I'm still, you know, perplexed about this situation with
[1:47:44] Speaker 1: Doug and Saint Paul, because my understanding is Paul fell
[1:47:48] Speaker 1: off his horse and bumped his head on a Doug
[1:47:51] Speaker 1: and he lost his mind. I don't know if that
[1:47:52] Speaker 1: was a miscalculation or what, but boy, did he really
[1:47:55] Speaker 1: lose his mind there. And yehosha, thank you for the superchest,
[1:47:59] Speaker 1: says I. I'm just not sure how people don't understand
[1:48:01] Speaker 1: slavery in their book. It's weird to me, like when
[1:48:05] Speaker 1: you're reading the book, like it's so clear what it's saying,
[1:48:09] Speaker 1: you have to be a dishonest pos ff to not
[1:48:13] Speaker 1: see what it's actually saying. And I don't know if
[1:48:16] Speaker 1: that conversation is actually gonna get saved because my my
[1:48:20] Speaker 1: stream on YouTube is not set up correctly because I
[1:48:24] Speaker 1: I don't know, it's it's just not it's not transmitting
[1:48:28] Speaker 1: the packets correctly. It's really uh it's it's lagging really bad.
[1:48:35] Speaker 1: I don't know why. But anyways, we're gonna we're gonna
[1:48:38] Speaker 1: get one more guests in here, and then we're gonna
[1:48:40] Speaker 1: do what we can.
[1:48:41] Speaker 3: Uh.
[1:48:41] Speaker 1: Zecu says, oh brother, this guy stinks, Yeah, he really does.
[1:48:47] Speaker 1: That guy was a pos acmee Hero says, your patient
[1:48:50] Speaker 1: is saintly. Wait a minute, yeah, not on that one.
[1:48:52] Speaker 1: Listen this after midnight and when somebody comes up being
[1:48:55] Speaker 1: that big of a pos I don't know if I
[1:48:57] Speaker 1: can hold back. If you're the minute you justify selling
[1:49:01] Speaker 1: your daughter as a slave and having your wives raped,
[1:49:04] Speaker 1: you've crossed the line.
[1:49:05] Speaker 2: For me, that is the line.
[1:49:08] Speaker 1: And Spencer says, God's vineyard grows a shit vintage of grapes.
[1:49:13] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, and probably shitty grapes too, And Grim thank
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: you for the sixties to six as slavery apologetics tonight
[1:49:19] Speaker 1: was off the chart. Switching up to David's wives was genius.
[1:49:23] Speaker 1: He went from Petzel to Mobius trip nice nicely played well,
[1:49:27] Speaker 1: thank you so much, Grim, I appreciate that. I've never
[1:49:30] Speaker 1: seen somebody be as dishonest as Lexus. Though as a
[1:49:33] Speaker 1: wild track, most people when they read the story of
[1:49:36] Speaker 1: David's wives being raped, there at least able to pause
[1:49:40] Speaker 1: and be like, oh, that doesn't sound good. He couldn't. Adele,
[1:49:44] Speaker 1: thank you for the superjest, says Lexus. Or Lexus, but
[1:49:47] Speaker 1: it's a consequence. Let me explain, Yeah, what a pos
[1:49:49] Speaker 1: It's not a consequence. Punishments are not consequences. Their decisions
[1:49:53] Speaker 1: made to punish. And Zukulu again says, have this guy
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: say this David shit to an essay survivor. Actually, that's
[1:50:02] Speaker 1: a good point. He would never he would He would
[1:50:04] Speaker 1: never be bold enough to do that, at least I
[1:50:06] Speaker 1: hope not. He could be that horrible. And Kay, good
[1:50:10] Speaker 1: to see you tonight. I appreciate the super check case says,
[1:50:13] Speaker 1: love you justin I think a lot of these people
[1:50:15] Speaker 1: are clearly not listening to understand that they're listening to reply,
[1:50:18] Speaker 1: I agree with you, Kay, that guy was not here
[1:50:21] Speaker 1: to have a conversation. Every time I rebutted one of
[1:50:24] Speaker 1: his talking points, he just waited for me to quit
[1:50:27] Speaker 1: talking so that he can move on to the next
[1:50:29] Speaker 1: talking point he didn't actually want dialogue and Kate is
[1:50:32] Speaker 1: a lie.
[1:50:33] Speaker 2: I loved me some cake.
[1:50:34] Speaker 1: I hope it's not a lie, but I appreciate the
[1:50:35] Speaker 1: super Chat says, It's all very simple, folks. Graping is evil.
[1:50:39] Speaker 1: Enslaving people is evil. Punishing people for crimes they didn't
[1:50:42] Speaker 1: commit is evil. Look in the mirror and ask why
[1:50:45] Speaker 1: does your God command this shit? Exactly when? If you're
[1:50:48] Speaker 1: an honest person and you see this in the Bible,
[1:50:51] Speaker 1: what you should be saying is, oh, that's not good.
[1:50:55] Speaker 1: That's the honest answer. And Kay again, thank you for
[1:50:58] Speaker 1: the super Chest says, people who are unintentionally or intentionally
[1:51:01] Speaker 1: dense are the most frustrating people. Anyone who justifies grape
[1:51:04] Speaker 1: and slavery should take a good look at themselves. I'm
[1:51:07] Speaker 1: with you, and I think I could be wrong. I
[1:51:11] Speaker 1: think he was intentionally dense. I don't think he was
[1:51:16] Speaker 1: unintentionally dense. I think he was being purposely dense, which
[1:51:19] Speaker 1: is why I got so frustrated with him, because he
[1:51:20] Speaker 1: knew he was being a piece of shit, and he
[1:51:22] Speaker 1: was being dense on purpose. And Jam and Jay says,
[1:51:25] Speaker 1: this whole Maslow pyramid is in is infected.
[1:51:30] Speaker 2: No hope for him.
[1:51:31] Speaker 1: You're right, his whole Maslow period, his hierarchy of needs
[1:51:35] Speaker 1: is very problematic, very problematic. And that God fox dope name,
[1:51:40] Speaker 1: beautiful dog, thank you for the ten that hour. Super
[1:51:42] Speaker 1: Chest says, here's the kicker, lexis, if God is all knowing,
[1:51:46] Speaker 1: he didn't just cause it to happen. He fucking planned
[1:51:48] Speaker 1: it before he created those ten women. Or David, that's
[1:51:51] Speaker 1: such a good point. He didn't just cause it. He
[1:51:54] Speaker 1: set those wheels into motion at the beginning of the universe.
[1:51:59] Speaker 1: Literally that and k again, big w K. I appreciate
[1:52:04] Speaker 1: the superchats. He says, it's disgusting that this guy laughed
[1:52:07] Speaker 1: when you were saying how his God hated women and
[1:52:10] Speaker 1: treated women like slaves. My blood is boiling. Leave this religion.
[1:52:14] Speaker 1: The world would be better off without it. Yeah, and
[1:52:16] Speaker 1: remember this religion was used to subjugate women, it was
[1:52:21] Speaker 1: used to enslave people because the book allows for it.
[1:52:25] Speaker 1: That's why I'm sorry you had to listen to that
[1:52:27] Speaker 1: k And Grim says, how the hell does an omnipresent
[1:52:31] Speaker 1: god remove his presence? So Grim, I wanted to go
[1:52:34] Speaker 1: there with you, but I just my brain was focused
[1:52:37] Speaker 1: on something else. But You're right, an omnipresent God can't
[1:52:41] Speaker 1: remove his presence. But I know his next argument would
[1:52:43] Speaker 1: have been, well, not his not his actual presence, just
[1:52:46] Speaker 1: the fullness of his presence, and then we'd have a
[1:52:48] Speaker 1: pointless conversation and what it means to be fully present
[1:52:52] Speaker 1: or partially present. But Flankard, thank you for the supertest,
[1:52:56] Speaker 1: says Quoting a rebellion slaver and showing it lines up
[1:52:58] Speaker 1: with guest views is a effective rhetoric. I agree. Actually,
[1:53:02] Speaker 1: like if you read the writings of the people that
[1:53:05] Speaker 1: did the enslavement, they used the Bible, the Southern Baptist Convention,
[1:53:09] Speaker 1: they split, the Southern Baptist Convention formed specifically two enshrine
[1:53:14] Speaker 1: Christian slavery. They they meant that they wanted to keep
[1:53:18] Speaker 1: that ship and the last one from Saint Barnabas. He says,
[1:53:21] Speaker 1: I just drove past Alexis Dealership and almost threw up
[1:53:24] Speaker 1: in my mouth. I could see that I would throw
[1:53:27] Speaker 1: up in my mouth too. Actually, after that guy, think
[1:53:30] Speaker 1: is some one for being here. Let's grab a let's
[1:53:32] Speaker 1: grab our guest here. We'll get our guests joined up,
[1:53:36] Speaker 1: all right, it looks like we've got v with us.
[1:53:39] Speaker 2: How you doing V.
[1:53:41] Speaker 7: Oh my god, I'm.
[1:53:48] Speaker 2: You're on It's it's a little choppy.
[1:53:50] Speaker 1: Your connection is a little bit a little choppy. Do
[1:53:55] Speaker 1: you have Wi Fi in the United States?
[1:53:56] Speaker 6: So no, I'm I'm on a cell phone connection.
[1:54:00] Speaker 5: So that's why it's so choppy. So it's well, I
[1:54:04] Speaker 5: mean tomorrow. Well you've you've.
[1:54:08] Speaker 1: Got three red bars right now, and we we can't
[1:54:12] Speaker 1: make out much of.
[1:54:12] Speaker 7: What you're saying, so I don't know what.
[1:54:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, refresh you see if that works?
[1:54:22] Speaker 7: All right, let me carry that.
[1:54:26] Speaker 2: This should be fun.
[1:54:32] Speaker 1: Interesting. We've got two people in the gust box. We've
[1:54:35] Speaker 1: got V although you just roped for a second and
[1:54:37] Speaker 1: nameless V. What's happening there? All right? One second? All right,
[1:54:43] Speaker 1: see if that works.
[1:54:45] Speaker 6: How's that coming to a little better now?
[1:54:48] Speaker 1: No, Unfortunately, it's it's choppy. And when the connection is
[1:54:52] Speaker 1: really bad like this, it sounds like there's a bullfrog
[1:54:54] Speaker 1: in the connection. Also, I hate, I hate to say it,
[1:54:58] Speaker 1: but you can't smoke on here either. You'll get the
[1:55:01] Speaker 1: live taken.
[1:55:02] Speaker 6: Down smoking a cigarette.
[1:55:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, really yeah.
[1:55:09] Speaker 1: Because we're streaming to multiple platforms and on the TikTok.
[1:55:14] Speaker 6: You can call people a piece of ship.
[1:55:17] Speaker 1: Yep.
[1:55:18] Speaker 6: But I can't have a cigarette.
[1:55:19] Speaker 4: Yep.
[1:55:21] Speaker 7: Wow. Yeah.
[1:55:23] Speaker 2: Hey, I didn't make the rules. I just I just
[1:55:25] Speaker 2: follow them.
[1:55:26] Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't.
[1:55:28] Speaker 6: I didn't.
[1:55:29] Speaker 1: I didn't design the application.
[1:55:32] Speaker 7: Can you still hear me?
[1:55:33] Speaker 1: I can still hear you. Yeah, listen, you can. You
[1:55:38] Speaker 1: can smoke all you want, you just can't do it
[1:55:39] Speaker 1: on camera.
[1:55:42] Speaker 7: That's the idea. Yeah, I'm gonna smoke off camera here.
[1:55:44] Speaker 1: Nothing wrong with that. I mean, you can turn your
[1:55:46] Speaker 1: video off to it might fix your vocals.
[1:55:49] Speaker 7: Oh my god, I didn't think about that. Let me
[1:55:51] Speaker 7: do that. Hang on, uh, yeah, there we go.
[1:55:54] Speaker 6: How's that that better?
[1:55:56] Speaker 1: We'll see.
[1:55:56] Speaker 2: Let's give it a shot.
[1:55:59] Speaker 6: So turn a video off. That's better now, a little
[1:56:02] Speaker 6: bit better.
[1:56:03] Speaker 2: I don't know if it is much better.
[1:56:06] Speaker 7: Well, let's let's do it we again. How about that.
[1:56:09] Speaker 1: Let's give it a that that's.
[1:56:11] Speaker 6: What we're all about, all right, So yeah, let's go
[1:56:16] Speaker 6: for it.
[1:56:16] Speaker 5: Man.
[1:56:17] Speaker 6: I've been waiting for three and a half hours to
[1:56:18] Speaker 6: get on here and talk to you A long time. Yeah, yeah,
[1:56:22] Speaker 6: no ship, okay, So which is a long time wish?
[1:56:26] Speaker 5: God?
[1:56:27] Speaker 1: Do you believe in?
[1:56:29] Speaker 7: Oh?
[1:56:30] Speaker 6: I don't, man, But I still have issues with some
[1:56:32] Speaker 6: of the some of the ship. You had to say, like, yeah,
[1:56:35] Speaker 6: just because I'm an atheist, isn't that I don't have
[1:56:37] Speaker 6: any issues with with things that atheists have to say?
[1:56:39] Speaker 2: Like, oh, so you just came to complain.
[1:56:44] Speaker 7: No, I came to have a conversation. Why is that
[1:56:46] Speaker 7: a complaint?
[1:56:47] Speaker 6: Oh? Go ahead, I thought I thought this is the
[1:56:49] Speaker 6: place to have a conversation with people who are believers
[1:56:52] Speaker 6: non believers on.
[1:56:54] Speaker 2: It's a debate space.
[1:56:55] Speaker 6: I understand, right, Yeah, so that's what I'm here to do.
[1:56:58] Speaker 2: So what are we going to debate about? If for
[1:57:00] Speaker 2: your both atheists?
[1:57:03] Speaker 1: Well, you call people pieces of I'm sorry, do you
[1:57:08] Speaker 1: do you do you think that people that endorse slavery
[1:57:11] Speaker 1: and rape are pieces of ship?
[1:57:16] Speaker 6: Well?
[1:57:16] Speaker 7: I didn't hear anything.
[1:57:19] Speaker 2: That's a that's a yes or no question, Yes or no.
[1:57:21] Speaker 1: Do you think that people that endorse rape, rape and
[1:57:24] Speaker 1: slavery are pieces of ship?
[1:57:29] Speaker 6: Well, it depends on the circumstances of much they defend
[1:57:32] Speaker 6: those things.
[1:57:33] Speaker 1: There are no circumstances in which defending rape and slavery
[1:57:36] Speaker 1: is ever a good thing?
[1:57:37] Speaker 7: Is there?
[1:57:40] Speaker 6: I don't know.
[1:57:40] Speaker 7: I couldn't hear anything.
[1:57:42] Speaker 1: Then what do you mean you don't know? There's no
[1:57:44] Speaker 1: scenario in which there's ever a good reason to enslave
[1:57:48] Speaker 1: a person and have their wives raped.
[1:57:50] Speaker 6: Is there?
[1:57:52] Speaker 7: No? I wouldn't agree with that.
[1:57:54] Speaker 1: No, absolutely not, right, Okay, Well that's what they that's
[1:57:57] Speaker 1: what the guests disagreed with. That last guest making excuses
[1:58:01] Speaker 1: for why it's okay to have women raped and it's
[1:58:04] Speaker 1: okay to own slaves. That's why he was a piece
[1:58:06] Speaker 1: of shit.
[1:58:08] Speaker 7: Right, But why did they Why would they make in.
[1:58:11] Speaker 1: That argument because they're a piece of shit too.
[1:58:16] Speaker 7: Well, that doesn't solve the question.
[1:58:19] Speaker 1: They're making the argument because the book shows God doing it,
[1:58:22] Speaker 1: and they think that if their God does it, they
[1:58:25] Speaker 1: have to go to bat and explain why their God
[1:58:28] Speaker 1: did it. But there's no way to justify women being
[1:58:31] Speaker 1: raped for their husband's.
[1:58:32] Speaker 2: Crimes, is there?
[1:58:36] Speaker 7: No? Absolutely not?
[1:58:37] Speaker 1: Okay. So if there's no way to ever, if there's
[1:58:40] Speaker 1: no way to ever justify a woman being raped for
[1:58:44] Speaker 1: the crimes of her husband, then there's no way you
[1:58:47] Speaker 1: should ever be justified in defending it when you read
[1:58:50] Speaker 1: it in the Bible, just like you wouldn't defend the
[1:58:53] Speaker 1: prophet Mohammad touching a six year old girl and he
[1:58:56] Speaker 1: married her, and the consummated marriage at age nine. You
[1:59:00] Speaker 1: wouldn't defend that ever, would you?
[1:59:03] Speaker 7: No?
[1:59:04] Speaker 6: I mean I wouldn't end Kevin space the violent and
[1:59:09] Speaker 6: raping men that are on the set with them, either.
[1:59:11] Speaker 1: You got it. Now, If somebody was defending that, if
[1:59:13] Speaker 1: somebody was saying, listen, I do think that it was
[1:59:16] Speaker 1: okay for Kevin Spacey to do those things? Would that
[1:59:20] Speaker 1: person be a POS?
[1:59:24] Speaker 3: Oh?
[1:59:24] Speaker 1: I don't know, yes, no, yes, the answer is yes.
[1:59:28] Speaker 1: Anytime you endorse wicked behavior, you're a POS. If you
[1:59:33] Speaker 1: endorse raping women, you're a POS. You endorse kidnapping people,
[1:59:36] Speaker 1: you're a POS. These are all things that make you
[1:59:39] Speaker 1: a POS. The fact that you can't, you can't admit
[1:59:42] Speaker 1: this is wild to me. Maybe you're a PS piece
[1:59:46] Speaker 1: of shit yourself.
[1:59:47] Speaker 7: I did tell you that I wouldn't. I wouldn't defend.
[1:59:51] Speaker 1: Okay, But do you do you agree that people? Do
[1:59:54] Speaker 1: you agree that people who do defend women being raped
[1:59:57] Speaker 1: for crimes they didn't commit, and defend people being allowed
[2:00:01] Speaker 1: to own slavery slavery was okay? Are those people pos's?
[2:00:08] Speaker 6: Uh?
[2:00:09] Speaker 7: Well, two degree?
[2:00:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, but oh there you go to agree that I'm right?
[2:00:13] Speaker 1: Thank you for finally just admitting the obvious. Yeah, people
[2:00:16] Speaker 1: who are okay or or are defending slavery and people
[2:00:20] Speaker 1: that are defending rape are pieces of shit.
[2:00:23] Speaker 5: That's just talk over.
[2:00:24] Speaker 7: Maybe we can have a conversation, but I didn't say
[2:00:26] Speaker 7: you were right.
[2:00:28] Speaker 1: Okay, Well we're not gonna have a conversation because I'm
[2:00:31] Speaker 1: done with you something. You're a piece of shit yourself. Actually,
[2:00:36] Speaker 1: all right, guys, it's a shit speaking a piece of shit.
[2:00:39] Speaker 1: Almost two in the morning. I've got to get to bed.
[2:00:41] Speaker 1: I've got a bunch of stuff I got to get
[2:00:43] Speaker 1: done today. I'm starting to get tired after those last
[2:00:47] Speaker 1: two pos f f is. I'm sure my accounts and
[2:00:49] Speaker 1: to get taken down by morning. But it's okay, if listen,
[2:00:53] Speaker 1: if my if my if my TikTok account goes down
[2:00:57] Speaker 1: tonight while I'm sleeping, which is a pretty high chance
[2:00:59] Speaker 1: that it will, it gets reviewed by the AI police,
[2:01:02] Speaker 1: I'll just live stream from YouTube only on the next stream.
[2:01:06] Speaker 1: Now that we've got just about everybody on TikTok following
[2:01:08] Speaker 1: on my YouTube account, So if you don't see me
[2:01:11] Speaker 1: live Sunday night, it's because my TikTok got taken down
[2:01:14] Speaker 1: and got banned for because you're not really supposed to
[2:01:18] Speaker 1: say that kind of stuff. But anyways, guys, mob, I'm
[2:01:22] Speaker 1: gonna be on Sunday night for questions if you want
[2:01:25] Speaker 1: to do a deep dive on Daniel nine Prophecy. I
[2:01:27] Speaker 1: love Daniel nine Prophecy. Come find me after the Atheists
[2:01:31] Speaker 1: experience Sunday night. We'll talk about it. But let me
[2:01:34] Speaker 1: grab the last two super chats. Adele, thank you so much.
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: It says also wanted to know us a rock Hard
[2:01:42] Speaker 1: for Doug and Iron No way, okay, So Adele and
[2:01:45] Speaker 1: rock Hard for Doug are married and we project your
[2:01:49] Speaker 1: lives on TV and then watch also on our phone
[2:01:52] Speaker 1: so we can super chat lifelong fans.
[2:01:55] Speaker 2: But thank you so much, Adele.
[2:01:57] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that those callers like the guy really
[2:02:01] Speaker 1: make my blood boil. And I know they make some
[2:02:03] Speaker 1: of your guys' blood boil. But maybe maybe I don't know,
[2:02:09] Speaker 1: maybe he learned a lesson, maybe he didn't. But sometimes
[2:02:12] Speaker 1: you gotta get a little bit out of shape, you know,
[2:02:15] Speaker 1: before you can make a horseshoe. But thank you Max
[2:02:20] Speaker 1: for gifting a deconstructions of membership. I appreciate that. All right, guys, listen,
[2:02:24] Speaker 1: I got to get to bed. Thank you so much
[2:02:25] Speaker 1: for spending your night with me, despite the power outages
[2:02:29] Speaker 1: and the freezing on the various live streams, and for
[2:02:34] Speaker 1: those last pos ffs, thank you so much for being here.
[2:02:38] Speaker 1: Is anyone live right now that we can go raid?
[2:02:40] Speaker 1: Is anyone still up? Let me see, someone's got to
[2:02:45] Speaker 1: still be up. I bet cybers up?
[2:02:48] Speaker 5: Is joelob vaccination schedule back in the night.
[2:02:51] Speaker 8: Let see who's all live here. Let's see. I hate
[2:03:00] Speaker 8: the TikTok website. It's so bad, so bad.
[2:03:08] Speaker 1: My mom told me, alright, we can see who's online.
[2:03:13] Speaker 1: Oh shit, mezzos online? Oh just mezzo, that's all I see.
[2:03:16] Speaker 1: All right, guys, we're gonna go raid Mezzo. Let's go
[2:03:20] Speaker 1: raid Mezzo. Let's give him a big hearty welcome from Doug.
[2:03:25] Speaker 1: Here he is. It's a mezso underscore WS Mezzo underscore WS.
[2:03:31] Speaker 1: He's already got six hundred and forty people in the room.
[2:03:33] Speaker 1: Let's pump that thing up over seven hundred. I'll see
[2:03:36] Speaker 1: you over there in just a minute. I don't think
[2:03:38] Speaker 1: he's dual streaming to YouTube tonight. I could be wrong,
[2:03:41] Speaker 1: but let's go give uh. Let's go give our buddy
[2:03:44] Speaker 1: mezzo a raid and I'll see you over there in
[2:03:47] Speaker 1: just a minute. Guys. Thank you so much for all
[2:03:49] Speaker 1: the like shares, gifts, super chests and supports. I really
[2:03:52] Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank your moderators, and I'll see you again
[2:03:55] Speaker 1: on Sunday.
[2:03:56] Speaker 2: Guys,

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