# 2025-6-2 LIVE DEBATE \[God is Imaginary\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 17 Sep 2025, 4 h 26 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Day streaming. Where is my comment box? So one second,
[0:10] Speaker 1: there it is. Now I can see everyone's comments. Welcome in, friends,
[0:16] Speaker 1: we're doing a test drive. We're doing a little bit
[0:18] Speaker 1: of a day stream today. I'm curious to see if
[0:22] Speaker 1: there is enough daytime activity to incorporate a day stream
[0:28] Speaker 1: every now and then. So today today we'll find out.
[0:33] Speaker 1: Today we're going to find out. Oh hold on, let
[0:36] Speaker 1: me turn this there. We're going to turn that volume off,
[0:40] Speaker 1: and then let me open up the guest boxes real quick.
[0:43] Speaker 1: One second, all right, we got the guest boxes open.
[0:56] Speaker 1: Welcome in, friends. Let me make sure all the comment
[0:59] Speaker 1: boxes are open so I can see the live chat.
[1:03] Speaker 1: One moment. I got to open up one more window,
[1:08] Speaker 1: and then we should be ready to rock and roll. Anyways,
[1:16] Speaker 1: Welcome in, guys. Our last stream was a lot of fun.
[1:21] Speaker 1: I don't know if we've done a day dice a
[1:23] Speaker 1: daytime stream in quite some time, so this should be interesting.
[1:29] Speaker 1: Typically other people are alive during the daytime, and usually
[1:33] Speaker 1: I'm at work. I'm actually not at work today, which
[1:36] Speaker 1: is why I'm going to do a daytime stream here
[1:38] Speaker 1: for a little bit and see how it goes. But
[1:41] Speaker 1: Welcome in, friends, we should have everything set up and
[1:45] Speaker 1: ready to rock and roll, and I think we're ready
[1:47] Speaker 1: to go. All right, Frimples, welcome in, my friend with
[1:52] Speaker 1: a five deconstruction zone gifted membership right off to rip,
[1:57] Speaker 1: big w Frimples, really appreciate that, and good to see
[1:59] Speaker 1: your friend. Okay, let's grab our first guest then, and
[2:06] Speaker 1: looks like we've got Creed with us. How you doing, Creed?
[2:11] Speaker 2: Do you hear me?
[2:13] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[2:13] Speaker 1: I can hear you. You can hear me? Right, you
[2:18] Speaker 1: can hear me?
[2:18] Speaker 4: Right?
[2:19] Speaker 5: I think they're having me on then?
[2:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure? So Creed, are you at least eighteen
[2:24] Speaker 1: and are you a believer?
[2:26] Speaker 5: Yes, sir?
[2:26] Speaker 6: On eighteen cool?
[2:28] Speaker 1: And are you a believer? It's sirrying a Christian cool
[2:33] Speaker 1: and would be the best evidence or argument for the
[2:37] Speaker 1: Christian God being real.
[2:40] Speaker 2: Well, so you're not.
[2:41] Speaker 5: So you're not believe that Jesus stalled any prophecies?
[2:43] Speaker 6: Is that correct?
[2:44] Speaker 1: Well? I don't think he did. I mean I would
[2:46] Speaker 1: give him Deuteronomy thirteen at least, but that's it.
[2:50] Speaker 3: Okay, all right?
[2:52] Speaker 5: Well do you not so you don't believe in the
[2:54] Speaker 5: fine tuning argument?
[2:55] Speaker 1: No? I think the fine tuning argument is silly.
[2:58] Speaker 5: Okay, that's reasonable, I guess. So, like you do not
[3:04] Speaker 5: feel like there has to be some kind of the
[3:06] Speaker 5: reason why we exist, like how he can like think
[3:08] Speaker 5: and talk and we can start off the leak.
[3:12] Speaker 1: I mean the reason is because we evolved to have
[3:14] Speaker 1: those attributes.
[3:18] Speaker 7: Okay, Okay, So so.
[3:26] Speaker 5: You do not believe that like Isaiah fifty three is
[3:29] Speaker 5: a prophecy, it's facilled theoriod.
[3:32] Speaker 1: Not in Jesus. No, Isaia fafty three is about the
[3:35] Speaker 1: Nation of visual being personified as a human being. And
[3:38] Speaker 1: the author of Second Isaiah tells you about eight different
[3:42] Speaker 1: times that the Nation of Visual is God's servant. So
[3:45] Speaker 1: when I get the chapter fifty three, like, I have
[3:47] Speaker 1: no reason to believe that Isaiah is not the servant,
[3:50] Speaker 1: Like how many times does he have to tell you?
[3:53] Speaker 5: And I've always been taught that that's what it was
[3:56] Speaker 5: like my entire life.
[3:57] Speaker 1: Sure, that's what I was taught too. And then I
[4:00] Speaker 1: I actually read all of Isaiah and I came to
[4:02] Speaker 1: a different conclusion.
[4:05] Speaker 5: Okay, like in toss about some life thoughts without being
[4:08] Speaker 5: pierced for in aquities and stuff like that.
[4:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, just the nation speaking, if you read all of
[4:14] Speaker 1: Isaiah would make a lot of sense. So in Second Isaiah,
[4:19] Speaker 1: it's the nations that we're holding Israel captive. They're speaking
[4:24] Speaker 1: in that chapter. In fact, if you the very last
[4:26] Speaker 1: verse of chapter fifty two says that they are going
[4:30] Speaker 1: to contemplate the thing that they that they witness, and
[4:33] Speaker 1: then the very next line is them contemplating that thing.
[4:36] Speaker 1: Who has believed our report? And to whom has the
[4:39] Speaker 1: armor of the Lord been revealed? Well, just one one
[4:42] Speaker 1: chapter prior, Isavia two ten says that the arm of
[4:44] Speaker 1: the Lord has been revealed, is being revealed to the nations.
[4:47] Speaker 1: It's the nation speaking.
[4:51] Speaker 5: Woh, you're actually correct to that.
[4:53] Speaker 6: That aren't I can see it right here.
[4:55] Speaker 1: And a lot of the study Bibles we'll just tell
[4:57] Speaker 1: you this. If you get an academic study Bible, the
[5:00] Speaker 1: New Oxford Annotative Study Bible, or the Catholic Study Bible,
[5:05] Speaker 1: they'll just tell you that the original context of this
[5:08] Speaker 1: prophecy is about Israel. I think the more intelligent, educated
[5:12] Speaker 1: Christians would say, well, yeah, the original context was about Israel,
[5:16] Speaker 1: but like we're going to apply a secondary context or
[5:20] Speaker 1: a secondary fulfillment to it, and the secondary fulfillment is
[5:23] Speaker 1: about Jesus. And I think you could go that route
[5:26] Speaker 1: if you believe in secondary fulfillments, but I don't. I
[5:29] Speaker 1: think secondary fulfillments are like super abstract and there they
[5:35] Speaker 1: can be just about anything you want them to be,
[5:36] Speaker 1: because once you divorce a prophecy from the context, it
[5:40] Speaker 1: can be about anybody.
[5:44] Speaker 5: Okay, so okay, I guess you know, I'll sort of
[5:46] Speaker 5: it's weird. I'm not in a weird state right now,
[5:48] Speaker 5: or like I'm still a Christian, but it's like I'm
[5:50] Speaker 5: fighting with myself to not get.
[5:52] Speaker 2: Up on it.
[5:53] Speaker 1: Yeah, I get that, trust me, I fought myself for
[5:55] Speaker 1: a long time. It's a it's a hard thing to
[6:00] Speaker 1: deal with because you don't want to leave, you know.
[6:03] Speaker 1: It's something that brings you probably joy and meaning, but
[6:07] Speaker 1: when the evidence is against it, you don't have too
[6:10] Speaker 1: many choices.
[6:12] Speaker 5: But it also brings me like great terror to sakes,
[6:14] Speaker 5: even worship thing like this guy that's like done the
[6:16] Speaker 5: rape and hurt one then and all these awful things
[6:19] Speaker 5: as well. It's like, how do ignore that?
[6:20] Speaker 1: It's like right, well that that's the other thing is
[6:24] Speaker 1: it's you know, you could say, well, listen, I have
[6:28] Speaker 1: a belief that there's still a God, right and that
[6:32] Speaker 1: might be true, you might be able to hold on
[6:33] Speaker 1: to a belief in a God and then but also
[6:36] Speaker 1: at the same time acknowledging that the biblical God doesn't
[6:38] Speaker 1: make any sense, and a lot of people have done that.
[6:40] Speaker 1: A lot of people went from Christianity to more of
[6:43] Speaker 1: an agnostic theism because the Bible just stopped making sense.
[6:50] Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just like, you know, like it's like it's
[6:52] Speaker 5: weird because like I'm sorry for calling you, and sure,
[6:54] Speaker 5: I'm sure I'm kind of gotten you off topic and
[6:56] Speaker 5: looking to do that. It's just like, I mean, like
[7:00] Speaker 5: I was kind of going to try to debate you
[7:02] Speaker 5: sort of that I kind of realized that like the
[7:03] Speaker 5: arguments that I was going to get to you, I
[7:05] Speaker 5: squatched a lot of your stuff and it's all the
[7:07] Speaker 5: same stuff people have done to you millions of times
[7:09] Speaker 5: Isaiah fifty three. They're like, what's the point argument thinks
[7:12] Speaker 5: that you obviously know are not true. It's like weird
[7:15] Speaker 5: because you told about Jesus, and I pointed out to
[7:18] Speaker 5: my parents and like, hey, this this prophecy right the
[7:20] Speaker 5: Isaiah since fourteen doesn't really sound like about Jesus at all.
[7:23] Speaker 5: I'm like, well, it says version I tried to supporting
[7:26] Speaker 5: the contest, like.
[7:26] Speaker 1: No, well, that's the thing. So the New Testament, the
[7:31] Speaker 1: way they're treating what they call prophecy is they're saying, well,
[7:35] Speaker 1: as long as you ignore all the context, as long
[7:38] Speaker 1: as you ignore the intention of the author, then you
[7:41] Speaker 1: can say it's about Jesus. But listen, if we're allowed
[7:44] Speaker 1: to ignore the original context of the prophecy, and we're
[7:47] Speaker 1: allowed to ignore the intention of the prophecy, then we
[7:51] Speaker 1: can apply any subjective meaning to what we want. We
[7:53] Speaker 1: can make that prophecy about anybody.
[7:57] Speaker 5: So do you think that Ecclesiasts he's written by Solomon?
[8:02] Speaker 5: You can hear people say.
[8:03] Speaker 1: That, Well, I don't think so. I think one of
[8:05] Speaker 1: the reasons is because, you know, the time Solomon lived,
[8:11] Speaker 1: you know, the Hebrew language as we know it was
[8:14] Speaker 1: like just it like almost being developed. It wasn't quite
[8:18] Speaker 1: ready yet.
[8:19] Speaker 8: Uh.
[8:20] Speaker 1: The Hebrew language we know of is really a product
[8:22] Speaker 1: of like the ninth century. So if he wrote it,
[8:26] Speaker 1: I would expect to find a bunch of artifacts in
[8:30] Speaker 1: the book that point to the ninth century. But what
[8:32] Speaker 1: we do find are you know, a written language that
[8:37] Speaker 1: reminds us more of like an Aramaic Hebrew That being said,
[8:42] Speaker 1: there are some concepts in the Book of Ecclesiastes that
[8:46] Speaker 1: clearly points towards a pre Exilic time period, only because
[8:52] Speaker 1: it wasn't until the exile that people really started to
[8:57] Speaker 1: take on the notion of a resurrection of the dead.
[9:00] Speaker 1: It the oldest. The oldest Hebrews probably didn't believe in
[9:05] Speaker 1: a resurrection of the dead, and it doesn't seem to
[9:08] Speaker 1: be that the author of Ecclesiastes believed in a resurrection
[9:13] Speaker 1: of the dead either. So based on like the theology of
[9:16] Speaker 1: that book, I would say that it is pretty old.
[9:18] Speaker 1: I just don't think it's as old as Solomon.
[9:22] Speaker 5: Okay, okay, see, you know like simple like for example,
[9:25] Speaker 5: you don't believe in the whole like well, Daniel's prophecies
[9:29] Speaker 5: couldn't possibly have been written back in the day because
[9:31] Speaker 5: it's in the It's in the Dead Sea Scroll. But
[9:33] Speaker 5: that I was kind of told my creature.
[9:34] Speaker 9: I brought that up to.
[9:35] Speaker 1: Him, Well Daniel's Daniel's difficult because it is written in
[9:40] Speaker 1: three different languages. The one you have in your Bible
[9:44] Speaker 1: is probably only got two different languages unless you have
[9:46] Speaker 1: a full Bible. But we've got fragments of Daniel both
[9:50] Speaker 1: an Aramaic and in Missionaic Hebrew, and we got fragments
[9:55] Speaker 1: in Greek from different time periods. It's pretty clear that
[9:58] Speaker 1: Daniel was being written over the course of a couple
[10:00] Speaker 1: hundred years, and it was being changed and edited. And
[10:05] Speaker 1: what we can determine from reading the book is like,
[10:08] Speaker 1: they're really good about knowing what's happening in the second century.
[10:11] Speaker 1: They make a lot of statements, or whoever the author
[10:14] Speaker 1: is that make a lot of statements about things happening
[10:17] Speaker 1: in the second century and pretty much nails them. But
[10:20] Speaker 1: when they make statements about the supposed time period of Daniel,
[10:24] Speaker 1: they flub it. They get it wrong. And I think
[10:26] Speaker 1: the best example of this is putting Belshazzar as the
[10:30] Speaker 1: son of Nebuconezzer. He clearly wasn't he was the son
[10:32] Speaker 1: of Nabanitas. They were separated by at least three different kings,
[10:37] Speaker 1: and Nabanitis was even related to Nebuconezer. They they weren't
[10:41] Speaker 1: blood relatives at all. Nabonitis came to the throne not
[10:44] Speaker 1: through succession but through essentially a divine appointment.
[10:51] Speaker 5: So it's a bit bizarre because you know, like Psalm
[10:54] Speaker 5: twenty two, like a d. King James version, it literally
[10:58] Speaker 5: says it's an a Saanic prophecy that I read it,
[11:00] Speaker 5: it's prophecy at.
[11:02] Speaker 1: All, right, And that's that's the problem with the way
[11:05] Speaker 1: the New Testament is treating the Old Testament is they're
[11:08] Speaker 1: saying anything that just sounds like what we want it
[11:11] Speaker 1: to sound like, we're just going to call it a
[11:13] Speaker 1: prophecy even if it's not a prophecy. You can't just
[11:16] Speaker 1: point to any random words on a page and say, well,
[11:19] Speaker 1: it's a prophecy because it sounds like something else. That's
[11:22] Speaker 1: not how that works. A prophecy is a clear form
[11:24] Speaker 1: of speech. And we read in Deuteronomy eighteen that you
[11:27] Speaker 1: can test the prophets. If a prophet says something, you
[11:30] Speaker 1: know that it's from God. If it comes true, you
[11:33] Speaker 1: test the prophet, right, But you can't test a prophetic
[11:37] Speaker 1: word if you don't even if it's clear that it's
[11:39] Speaker 1: not even a prophetic word, like if somebody is just
[11:41] Speaker 1: writing a lament, like, how do you go and then
[11:44] Speaker 1: test that prophecy because it's not clear to you that
[11:46] Speaker 1: it's even a prophecy, because it's not.
[11:52] Speaker 6: That's true, that's true.
[11:54] Speaker 5: I was just saying, like, you know, you know how
[11:56] Speaker 5: you always use that Deuteronomy verse not about a woman
[12:00] Speaker 5: who pleased and a buddy night.
[12:01] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's one of my favorite verses. Yeah.
[12:07] Speaker 5: Yeah, So you don't think there's any explanation for that onsoever.
[12:10] Speaker 5: Like it's like like it seems like a peer scientific error.
[12:14] Speaker 1: I think it is a pure scientific error. And they
[12:16] Speaker 1: did figure it out eventually. So if you read the
[12:19] Speaker 1: writings in the Talmud, they even tell you that the
[12:21] Speaker 1: Galileans don't practice this. They don't do it in Galilee anymore.
[12:26] Speaker 1: And we know that when like the the time of
[12:29] Speaker 1: the rabbis came about, they were using the sheet as
[12:35] Speaker 1: the tests still, but rather than executing the women who
[12:39] Speaker 1: didn't have bloody sheets, what they would do is they
[12:43] Speaker 1: would a lot of them would be forced to like
[12:46] Speaker 1: pay back the bride price and then also pay a penalty.
[12:50] Speaker 1: Hey buddy, So like they they knew that the test
[12:55] Speaker 1: was bad, and so what they did is they just
[12:58] Speaker 1: enforced penalties rather than enforcing capital punishment because they knew
[13:03] Speaker 1: that it was problematic.
[13:07] Speaker 5: So what do you think there's one translation in their
[13:09] Speaker 5: here do you not think that in a you heard
[13:11] Speaker 5: of the new in their can Standard Bible before.
[13:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, the NESB is a decent translation. I don't dislike
[13:18] Speaker 1: it at all.
[13:20] Speaker 2: I just kind of not this.
[13:20] Speaker 5: It feels like sometimes I know that they sort of
[13:23] Speaker 5: I feel like they've gone back and sort of readjusted
[13:25] Speaker 5: certain old tests of the things they have seem palasable,
[13:29] Speaker 5: like the whole rate thing, tick out the right.
[13:31] Speaker 1: Part they have So the the the NASB does one
[13:36] Speaker 1: thing good, and the thing that they do good is
[13:39] Speaker 1: they stick to a pretty wooden translation. But they do
[13:43] Speaker 1: one thing bad, and the bad thing that they do
[13:46] Speaker 1: is that they try to soften the blow on some
[13:48] Speaker 1: of the difficult passages rather than just straight up saying
[13:52] Speaker 1: what it is.
[13:54] Speaker 10: M hm.
[13:55] Speaker 5: Yeah, it's just kind of it's atical weird thing is
[13:58] Speaker 5: you know, like E've ben a very good help I
[14:00] Speaker 5: think for you know, because like I kind of listened
[14:02] Speaker 5: to a lot of asists. It's just like they wouldn't
[14:03] Speaker 5: get any good answer if you've kind of been insightful
[14:06] Speaker 5: because you have like your actual receipts to back up
[14:08] Speaker 5: what you're saying.
[14:09] Speaker 6: I feel like the released.
[14:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's you know, my goal is not
[14:13] Speaker 1: just to say things and have people believe me. I'm
[14:15] Speaker 1: going to back it up, and I would expect that
[14:18] Speaker 1: from anyone who is studying the Bible and then making
[14:22] Speaker 1: claims and debating on it. Is if you're going to
[14:25] Speaker 1: make the claim, you need to demonstrate to people where
[14:27] Speaker 1: the claim comes from.
[14:30] Speaker 5: Yeah, because I know so, Like whenever so I go
[14:33] Speaker 5: to you never heard of the session of the Christianity
[14:35] Speaker 5: called Church of Christ.
[14:37] Speaker 1: The very popular where I'm from.
[14:38] Speaker 5: It's it's a it's a very hardcore like literal trans
[14:43] Speaker 5: like there's no like traditions outside of the Bible, very
[14:46] Speaker 5: soul scriptory of kind of place. And so they'll tell
[14:48] Speaker 5: you things like get into God's word then like I
[14:50] Speaker 5: don't want to dread go into it because I have
[14:52] Speaker 5: more questions to have sort to read it.
[14:56] Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Well listen, Creed, I've got some people
[14:59] Speaker 1: waiting to get into debated from It's okay.
[15:03] Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, well I won't do that again. I'm just
[15:06] Speaker 5: glad to find you. I'll have to go anyway because
[15:09] Speaker 5: you are answered my question. So thank you.
[15:10] Speaker 1: All right, take care of yourself too. Cheers. Well, you
[15:18] Speaker 1: know it sounds like he's deconstructing. He's on the journey,
[15:21] Speaker 1: so you know, big w for him. Let me grab
[15:23] Speaker 1: a couple of super jets. We'll get our first TikTok
[15:26] Speaker 1: guest in here. Steven says, brilliant for Europeans. Love it well,
[15:30] Speaker 1: thank you so much. And so my summer schedule is
[15:33] Speaker 1: a little bit different because my son's out of school.
[15:38] Speaker 1: So my schedule is going to be a little bit
[15:39] Speaker 1: of cattywampus for June, July, and August. I'm not entirely
[15:42] Speaker 1: sure what my hours are going to be, but I
[15:45] Speaker 1: have a little bit of flexibility. So right now he's uh,
[15:51] Speaker 1: he's with the nanny, but technically they're here. Uh So anyways,
[15:58] Speaker 1: I'm not sure what kind of pockets I'm going to
[16:01] Speaker 1: be able to use this stream, but I'm curious if
[16:03] Speaker 1: I could get away with a couple of day streams
[16:06] Speaker 1: rather than night streams when he goes to bed, because
[16:10] Speaker 1: I'd like to go to bed too rather than staying
[16:12] Speaker 1: up late. So we're going to see what happens. We're
[16:14] Speaker 1: gonna see what happens. And frimples mcdimples, thank you for
[16:17] Speaker 1: the super chat, says, good to see you too, justin
[16:19] Speaker 1: hope you had a great time on your road trip. Well,
[16:21] Speaker 1: thank you so much. I am back from the road
[16:23] Speaker 1: trip finally, thank goodness. And I wasn't live yesterday because
[16:27] Speaker 1: I spent the whole day with my son. Normally I'd
[16:31] Speaker 1: be at work on Monday, but I took today off.
[16:34] Speaker 1: So I'm curious to see if we can make a
[16:37] Speaker 1: day stream work. And Vic, thank you so much for
[16:40] Speaker 1: the nineteen ninety nine superchat. I really appreciate it. And
[16:44] Speaker 1: he says, it's twenty twenty five and this violent, crazy
[16:47] Speaker 1: belief system is still playing out in the land of
[16:50] Speaker 1: milk and honey more like the land of blood and ruins.
[16:53] Speaker 1: You're not wrong, Vic, You're not wrong. It's weird to
[16:57] Speaker 1: me that in the age we live in, especially the
[17:00] Speaker 1: information age that we have, that more people aren't flooding
[17:04] Speaker 1: out of these barbaric religions. But I think we're seeing
[17:07] Speaker 1: a slow exodus. And I get it. It's hard to
[17:09] Speaker 1: leave something that you grew up with. It is what
[17:12] Speaker 1: it is, you know. Thank you for super chat. Also,
[17:14] Speaker 1: minute men, thank you so much for the fight hour.
[17:16] Speaker 1: Superchant says All Praises is the only constant in my life.
[17:19] Speaker 1: Doug Listen, Doug, Doug is constantly. He never changes, actually
[17:23] Speaker 1: says may His holy hardness and mercy guide us celebrate
[17:26] Speaker 1: Pride this month and every other month. Big w Actually,
[17:30] Speaker 1: we need to we need to bring back some of
[17:35] Speaker 1: our our topics for Pride month. So maybe this is
[17:42] Speaker 1: the month we need to go back to. You know,
[17:45] Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll get banned on TikTok, but we'll do.
[17:47] Speaker 1: You know, why is it wrong to be gay or lesbian?
[17:50] Speaker 1: Or we can do like Jesus was trans There's a
[17:53] Speaker 1: bunch of good topics we can run. I think it'd
[17:55] Speaker 1: be really exciting to watch. Connor, thank you for sending
[17:58] Speaker 1: out a DZ membership. Really appreciate that. And also Connor
[18:02] Speaker 1: with the super chat, I definitely appreciate that. Says send
[18:06] Speaker 1: email to confirm the Amazon shipping location for the Bible
[18:09] Speaker 1: signing when you get the chance, let me know if
[18:11] Speaker 1: that one works. Keep cooking King Well, thank you so much, Connor.
[18:14] Speaker 1: And when I get the Bible, I'll definitely sign it
[18:17] Speaker 1: and ship it back to you. Thank you so much
[18:19] Speaker 1: for letting me know. I'm a little bit backed up
[18:20] Speaker 1: on my emails. I've got like one hundred unready emails,
[18:24] Speaker 1: but I promise I will get to it that I'm
[18:26] Speaker 1: just need I need to get a couple pockets of
[18:30] Speaker 1: free time. You know, this last month was was crazy,
[18:33] Speaker 1: didn't have any free time. And reluctant theis thank you
[18:37] Speaker 1: so much for the superchat says I can't think of
[18:38] Speaker 1: anything clever, so I'll just default too things. Well, listen,
[18:42] Speaker 1: reluctant atheists, I mean or reluctant theists. Anyways, it sounds
[18:47] Speaker 1: like you're reluctant theist maybe agnostic. Thank you so much
[18:50] Speaker 1: for the super chat and thank you for supporting I
[18:53] Speaker 1: appreciate that. And last one from our friend Juan, thank
[18:56] Speaker 1: you so much. One says justin do you think religion
[18:59] Speaker 1: is like ant hill, as in, the more you poke
[19:02] Speaker 1: at it, the more aggressive it be. Okay, So, first
[19:07] Speaker 1: of all, I think the answer to that question is yes. So,
[19:12] Speaker 1: but I think for maybe a pretty logical reason, and
[19:16] Speaker 1: I think the reason is clear. I think it's because,
[19:20] Speaker 1: you know, as you as you poke at somebody's source
[19:24] Speaker 1: and foundation of security, they become hostile. And they've done
[19:29] Speaker 1: studies on this where people who have their religious views
[19:34] Speaker 1: threatened they exhibit the same biological reaction as somebody being
[19:38] Speaker 1: physically threatened. Right, so they get sent into like a
[19:41] Speaker 1: fighter flight mode, and because they're in this fighter flight mode,
[19:46] Speaker 1: they they they act abruptly and violently sometimes, and I
[19:52] Speaker 1: think that's the case. That's what I'm saying. All Right,
[19:55] Speaker 1: let's get ah, sir shovel in with us. How you
[19:58] Speaker 1: do in shovel? That's something not too much shovel? Are
[20:03] Speaker 1: you at least eighteen in? Are you a believer?
[20:07] Speaker 11: I'm twenty nine and I am believer?
[20:10] Speaker 1: Cool and wish God? Do you believe in?
[20:14] Speaker 11: I believe in Jesus and his Father.
[20:16] Speaker 3: Cool?
[20:17] Speaker 1: And what would be the most compelling argument or evidence
[20:21] Speaker 1: for Jesus or the biblical God being real?
[20:25] Speaker 12: Well, there's a verse in the Bible that says a
[20:30] Speaker 12: mind goided by the flesh cannot enter the Kingdom of heaven.
[20:35] Speaker 11: What do you think that means?
[20:37] Speaker 1: I think it means that it's a cope for people
[20:41] Speaker 1: who want to use facts and logic and reason. And
[20:44] Speaker 1: they're saying, listen, don't use facts or logic or reason,
[20:48] Speaker 1: use the magic fairy dust to come to your conclusions.
[20:51] Speaker 1: And I just don't think that's a good way to
[20:52] Speaker 1: live my life, which is which is why I don't
[20:55] Speaker 1: really think that those types of verses are meaningful.
[20:59] Speaker 11: But that's not what it means.
[21:00] Speaker 1: So yeah, we all know what it means. The question
[21:03] Speaker 1: is whether or not you have evidence for the thing
[21:06] Speaker 1: being real.
[21:07] Speaker 12: Well, I mean, why does my body crave sin all
[21:11] Speaker 12: the time?
[21:12] Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think sin exists.
[21:15] Speaker 12: So you're saying that envy, pride, rath, gluttony, sloth, and
[21:23] Speaker 12: lust are not real.
[21:25] Speaker 1: Uh, those are real. I said, I don't believe sin exists.
[21:28] Speaker 1: Sin is when you do something specifically against a deity,
[21:33] Speaker 1: like you've transgressed a deity. And because I don't believe
[21:35] Speaker 1: in a deity, obviously, I don't believe that sin exists.
[21:40] Speaker 12: But I'm just telling you that the flesh craves evil
[21:44] Speaker 12: is what it means. Like, I'm not saying that like
[21:47] Speaker 12: you as a person is evil. I'm saying your flesh
[21:51] Speaker 12: craves or do evil. But people are really good.
[21:54] Speaker 1: My flesh is not sentien.
[21:57] Speaker 12: Well look at it this way. So, like, let's say
[22:00] Speaker 12: you start getting into the drugs and you start becoming.
[22:03] Speaker 11: A drug addict. Your body.
[22:07] Speaker 12: Has the intel of what a drug does to it,
[22:10] Speaker 12: so it craves that drug.
[22:12] Speaker 1: It craves a drug because drugs are addictive, like it's
[22:16] Speaker 1: a chemical addiction. So the reason why we get these
[22:20] Speaker 1: addictions is because we are chemical creations as well.
[22:25] Speaker 12: But this is the thing that I'm trying to tell you.
[22:27] Speaker 12: When you try to not be an act anymore, your
[22:30] Speaker 12: body is constantly trying to fight your brain to get
[22:33] Speaker 12: you in the drugs.
[22:34] Speaker 1: Again, not mine. Sounds like you've got a problem. You
[22:37] Speaker 1: should seek help.
[22:38] Speaker 11: No, No, I don't have a problem anymore.
[22:40] Speaker 1: I don't have a problem at all. I've never been
[22:42] Speaker 1: like a long time ago, but I've never been addicted
[22:46] Speaker 1: to any substance. See, the problem is some people are
[22:51] Speaker 1: some people just have addictive biological makeups like some people.
[22:56] Speaker 1: For example, I've got a sibling who is a recovered alcoholic.
[23:00] Speaker 1: But when she has when like when she drinks alcohol,
[23:03] Speaker 1: it's the best time of her life she's had. Like
[23:05] Speaker 1: every time she takes a drink, she's having the best
[23:07] Speaker 1: time of her life. And the problem is if that's
[23:10] Speaker 1: if that's how you have the best time of your life,
[23:13] Speaker 1: you have to keep doing it, and you have to
[23:14] Speaker 1: keep doing it a lot, and it causes lots of problems.
[23:17] Speaker 1: Now for me, it's a doubter, Like if I have
[23:20] Speaker 1: too much, I just want to go to bed, that's it, right. So,
[23:23] Speaker 1: for example, so she has a biological makeup that pushes
[23:27] Speaker 1: her into addiction. I have a biological makeup that pushes
[23:30] Speaker 1: me out of that kind of a thing. So the
[23:32] Speaker 1: fact that her mind not a flesh, it's just that
[23:36] Speaker 1: she has a biological makeup that makes her more susceptible
[23:40] Speaker 1: to these types of things. And whereas mine don't. Has
[23:43] Speaker 1: nothing to do with your flesh or your mind. It
[23:45] Speaker 1: is just a chemical reaction. Not all chemical reactions behave
[23:50] Speaker 1: the same in everybody. But it's still meaningless as to
[23:54] Speaker 1: whether or not you're God exists, which is in case
[23:58] Speaker 1: in case you forgot the top, because whether or not
[24:00] Speaker 1: your God exists.
[24:03] Speaker 12: Well, the Bible clearly says that when Adam and Eve
[24:06] Speaker 12: a from the forbidden Tree of knowledge. Ever since they
[24:08] Speaker 12: did that, our bodies have been wanting to commit evil,
[24:13] Speaker 12: and they throw temptations in us to want.
[24:16] Speaker 11: To do it.
[24:16] Speaker 1: Not, man, my body doesn't want to commit evil.
[24:19] Speaker 11: Well, I mean, you may be closer to God than
[24:21] Speaker 11: you think.
[24:21] Speaker 1: It sounds to me like you've got some problems with
[24:23] Speaker 1: your own body and you're projecting that forward.
[24:25] Speaker 12: No, everyone deals with this issue like I don't have
[24:28] Speaker 12: to be so judg mental. Everyone deals with it like
[24:31] Speaker 12: you shouldn't really, So you're letting your flesh tell you
[24:35] Speaker 12: to say that.
[24:36] Speaker 11: And you don't even see it.
[24:37] Speaker 1: No, yep, no, you are so sounds to me like
[24:42] Speaker 1: you've actually got problems yourself that you haven't dealt with.
[24:45] Speaker 1: This sounds sounds like it sounds to me like you
[24:49] Speaker 1: need to see therapy.
[24:50] Speaker 12: You're looking at it, But I just don't think you
[24:54] Speaker 12: really are understanding what I'm saying. I'm saying that when
[24:56] Speaker 12: you let your flesh guide your mind, you are letting
[24:59] Speaker 12: the devil guide you.
[25:00] Speaker 1: That's all you have is your mind. Their flesh can't
[25:03] Speaker 1: guide you anywhere. Your flesh is not sent into your
[25:06] Speaker 1: your your mind, your mind is is in your brain,
[25:10] Speaker 1: not not in your flesh.
[25:12] Speaker 12: And my body is constantly trying to get me to
[25:14] Speaker 12: go back to my sinful life. But instead I'm wanting
[25:17] Speaker 12: to say, no, I want to follow God.
[25:19] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a you problem, it's not a me problem.
[25:22] Speaker 12: Well, I'm trying to tell you something that you don't
[25:24] Speaker 12: really understand. You're still cutting satan. No, I do understand.
[25:27] Speaker 12: I just disagree, Like before you can demonstrate that I
[25:31] Speaker 12: have a.
[25:31] Speaker 3: Problem, you I'm not saying you have a problem.
[25:34] Speaker 1: Before you can demonstrate that I have your problem, you
[25:37] Speaker 1: would have to demonstrate that you knew that to be
[25:40] Speaker 1: the case, that what you're doing.
[25:43] Speaker 11: And your body so.
[25:46] Speaker 1: Sir and apause you you have a problem. You're struggling
[25:53] Speaker 1: with some kind of addiction, and that's fine that happens.
[25:56] Speaker 1: I'm not so I listen if you need help, seek help.
[26:01] Speaker 12: If I am not anything, or you are literally pleased.
[26:05] Speaker 1: I realize that it's difficult to deal with, like habits
[26:08] Speaker 1: that you can't break. I get it. These are very
[26:11] Speaker 1: difficult things to cope with. But your problems are not
[26:14] Speaker 1: my problem, and the fact that you have this problem
[26:18] Speaker 1: in no way validates the existence of your deity, which
[26:22] Speaker 1: I will remind you for the last time. The topic
[26:25] Speaker 1: of the conversation is whether or not you're God exists.
[26:28] Speaker 12: I think you're trying to beat around the bush with
[26:30] Speaker 12: what I'm saying, with what a mind god of by
[26:32] Speaker 12: the flesh really is. I don't think you really understand
[26:35] Speaker 12: what that means. That's what I'm saying.
[26:37] Speaker 1: I do it. I and for the like the fifteenth time,
[26:39] Speaker 1: it's also irrelevant. We're talking about whether or not God exists,
[26:43] Speaker 1: not whether or not you have addiction problems.
[26:45] Speaker 11: And this is the thing.
[26:46] Speaker 12: When you got to talk about God, you want to
[26:47] Speaker 12: throw science into everything. You don't talk about spiritualism.
[26:50] Speaker 1: That's I don't believe in spirits. Why should I believe
[26:54] Speaker 1: in spirits?
[26:55] Speaker 11: Man?
[26:56] Speaker 12: They are real. There's a reason why people commit evil
[26:58] Speaker 12: in our world. What's the if that spirits exist but
[27:02] Speaker 12: you don't?
[27:02] Speaker 11: Why does a serial murder do what they?
[27:05] Speaker 13: Sir?
[27:05] Speaker 1: Focus up? What's the proof that spirits exists?
[27:09] Speaker 11: If you took a look at your own flesh, you
[27:11] Speaker 11: would have your proof.
[27:12] Speaker 1: You need one. You need to lock in. What is
[27:14] Speaker 1: the evidence that spirits exist?
[27:18] Speaker 11: What? What?
[27:18] Speaker 3: What?
[27:18] Speaker 11: What is everything that I just said? Like, when you
[27:21] Speaker 11: are given in to what your flesh, you're.
[27:23] Speaker 1: Crazy as de giberating. What I'm trying to figure out
[27:27] Speaker 1: is why you're attributing that ship to evil.
[27:29] Speaker 11: Spirits because they're the ones behind it all.
[27:33] Speaker 1: Prove it.
[27:33] Speaker 12: They're the ones trying to influence us to do the
[27:35] Speaker 12: evil things we shouldn't do it.
[27:37] Speaker 1: It sounds to me like you need medicaid? Is what
[27:38] Speaker 1: you need? You've got split powday.
[27:40] Speaker 12: Hey, You're say look, look, look, you're trying to throw
[27:42] Speaker 12: science into everything again.
[27:44] Speaker 3: Scis just fact about what I'm saying.
[27:47] Speaker 11: That's the problem with you.
[27:48] Speaker 1: If you're fighting, If you're fighting, if you're fighting with
[27:52] Speaker 1: yourself over your own behavior, I think you need to
[27:55] Speaker 1: see a professional.
[27:56] Speaker 12: I'm not fighting myself over my own way. It sounds
[27:58] Speaker 12: like you're telling me I need to go psychiatry.
[28:00] Speaker 9: I think nothing.
[28:02] Speaker 11: I've already tried that, buddy.
[28:04] Speaker 3: I think you need to All it does is just.
[28:06] Speaker 2: Mask the problem is.
[28:08] Speaker 3: The problem is you try to take that past the problem.
[28:10] Speaker 11: Actually get rid of the problem.
[28:11] Speaker 1: The problem is what I'm saying. The problem is that
[28:13] Speaker 1: you didn't get the right of medication. That's what I think.
[28:17] Speaker 11: No, like you're saying that measure what's going to cure
[28:19] Speaker 11: whatever is going on with me.
[28:21] Speaker 1: No, No, it's not going to cure it. It's gonna
[28:23] Speaker 1: it's gonna mask the symptoms.
[28:25] Speaker 12: Right, So the problem is actually gonna go away. They're
[28:28] Speaker 12: still going to the problem is going to be masked.
[28:30] Speaker 1: You've got you've got some psychological setbacks that you haven't
[28:35] Speaker 1: probably doubt.
[28:36] Speaker 3: You got to understand the spiritualism is the cure for
[28:38] Speaker 3: that stuff.
[28:39] Speaker 1: Okay, then demonstrate.
[28:42] Speaker 12: That's what Jesus came here to teach. He didn't come
[28:44] Speaker 12: here to teach. Demonstrates the spirits religion. Say what demonstrate
[28:49] Speaker 12: that spirits exist? Okay, buddy, you are still not understanding.
[28:59] Speaker 1: I understand, and I disagree. I I understand. Okay. So
[29:05] Speaker 1: so sir, I'll just give you the discussion from top
[29:09] Speaker 1: to bottom. You're saying that these evil things happen because
[29:12] Speaker 1: evil spirits are the cause of these desires. Right, I'm
[29:17] Speaker 1: asking you. I'm asking you to demonstrate that the evil entity,
[29:23] Speaker 1: these evil spirits, or or even the good spirits, demonstrate
[29:27] Speaker 1: to me that those are the cause of anything. That's
[29:31] Speaker 1: what I'm looking for. Just saying that they are the cause,
[29:34] Speaker 1: or saying that they do exist, doesn't get you to
[29:37] Speaker 1: the finish line. I need the actual evidence that that
[29:40] Speaker 1: is the case. It sounds to me like you're not
[29:42] Speaker 1: really prepared for that. But listen, I'll give you another try.
[29:46] Speaker 1: If you're prepared to answer the question, I'd love to
[29:48] Speaker 1: hear the answer. Yeah, the spirit hasn't told them how
[30:03] Speaker 1: to unmute himself yet, Sir. I know you're still yapping,
[30:11] Speaker 1: but no one can hear you because you're muted.
[30:18] Speaker 12: Okay, so all the negative elements like emotion, thoughts, any
[30:24] Speaker 12: type of negativity you find within yourself. Like if you
[30:30] Speaker 12: just think with your anxiety or your depression or your
[30:33] Speaker 12: anger all the time, you're.
[30:35] Speaker 11: Going to do bad things, You're going to be spiritually dead.
[30:40] Speaker 1: That's what I'm asking you for, is what does the
[30:42] Speaker 1: evidence that spirits have anything to do with this? Because
[30:46] Speaker 1: we can if you, if you committed all the same, sir,
[30:52] Speaker 1: we can study the human brain. We know that these
[30:55] Speaker 1: emotions are because of the chemicals that are happening inside
[31:01] Speaker 1: of her body. Like these emotional responses, these are chemical
[31:05] Speaker 1: reactions happening inside of her body. You're attributing them to spirits.
[31:10] Speaker 1: I already know what you believe. You believe that there're spirits.
[31:15] Speaker 1: I'm simply asking you for the evidence that this stuff
[31:20] Speaker 1: is because of spiritual things rather than chemical things. That's
[31:24] Speaker 1: what I'm looking for. You keep restating what you believe.
[31:28] Speaker 1: I know what you believe. I want to know if
[31:31] Speaker 1: there's a good reason to believe it.
[31:35] Speaker 11: Oh, I think there's a great reason to believe it.
[31:37] Speaker 12: I hate all my impulses, I hate all the negativity
[31:39] Speaker 12: that's inside of me, that's been there my whole life.
[31:43] Speaker 12: And if I didn't have Jesus in my life, I
[31:44] Speaker 12: don't know where I would be at because I already
[31:46] Speaker 12: went to a psychiatrist and a med and they didn't
[31:48] Speaker 12: do nothing. I'm sure they did nothing, and the meds
[31:50] Speaker 12: made it worse more than anything. Everything that is made
[31:54] Speaker 12: in this world is destroying us.
[31:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's not my belief. But the question is whether
[31:58] Speaker 1: or not you can actually tie any of this spirit
[32:01] Speaker 1: Why you can tie any of this to spirits?
[32:05] Speaker 12: I mean, dude, if you actually got into a sinful
[32:08] Speaker 12: life and you saw how much your body would crazy,
[32:11] Speaker 12: it would see all the spiritual inflictions that say, right,
[32:15] Speaker 12: all right, So it sounds to me like it's just
[32:18] Speaker 12: it's just it's just vibe b we cover the truth
[32:22] Speaker 12: of the reality of this world.
[32:23] Speaker 1: It's just vibes.
[32:25] Speaker 3: So so.
[32:28] Speaker 1: You're proof that spirits exists as vibes?
[32:33] Speaker 11: What? Yeah, you're pren know what temptation.
[32:36] Speaker 1: Is your proof that spirit is brother, you're proof that
[32:40] Speaker 1: spirits exists es.
[32:41] Speaker 11: I don't think you never really felt temptation, because there's crazy.
[32:45] Speaker 1: It's it's crazy that this guy thinks that like a human.
[32:49] Speaker 11: Being, that you think that we're dumb as and it's crazy.
[32:51] Speaker 1: That a guy talking to another adult human being doesn't
[32:56] Speaker 1: think that I've experienced temptation in my life. It's in
[32:58] Speaker 1: the same But listen, sir, you haven't actually brought anything
[33:02] Speaker 1: to the table, and it's pretty clear at this point
[33:04] Speaker 1: that you can't bring anything to the table. I wish
[33:07] Speaker 1: you the best of luck. I hope that you seek help.
[33:09] Speaker 1: It sounds to me like maybe you found the wrong therapist, but.
[33:12] Speaker 11: You want to kick me out because you know what.
[33:14] Speaker 1: But go ahead and seek proper help. That's what you
[33:17] Speaker 1: really need. La Service Surfer, thank you so much for
[33:21] Speaker 1: the five dollars. Super thanks. I really appreciate that. Big
[33:24] Speaker 1: w friend and Saint Brush. Good to see you this morning.
[33:29] Speaker 1: Thank you for the six sixty six hill Nero, says
[33:31] Speaker 1: Big Bubba from backwards. Georgia read a Bible verse after
[33:34] Speaker 1: the Twelve Steps program. That's actually what happened. He went
[33:39] Speaker 1: through AA, he read the Big Book and then he
[33:42] Speaker 1: read the Bible. He's like, oh shit, spirits are real.
[33:46] Speaker 1: What are you gonna do? Listen, I'm happy that some
[33:49] Speaker 1: people get cleaned through AA. I love it. That's great.
[33:52] Speaker 1: I love it for you, not for me anyways. Krusty Key,
[33:57] Speaker 1: thank you for the super test, says, the fact that
[33:59] Speaker 1: the knew that certain excesses were bad for you does
[34:02] Speaker 1: not prove God, not at all, Not at all. Listen,
[34:05] Speaker 1: the fact that people understood that humans have particular behaviors
[34:08] Speaker 1: is all you have to do is look at another
[34:10] Speaker 1: human and be like, well, he's doing some shit, you know,
[34:13] Speaker 1: or she's doing some shit.
[34:15] Speaker 8: Check.
[34:15] Speaker 1: Good to see your friend, Thank you so much for
[34:17] Speaker 1: the gifts and bad religion. Welcome in. Good to see you,
[34:21] Speaker 1: Ak Borealis, Miss Michelle, big ass Pancake Jay, Rachel so
[34:26] Speaker 1: good to see all the friends in the house. Dexter's
[34:28] Speaker 1: in the house is well over on the TikTok. Thank
[34:31] Speaker 1: you so much. David says, why is this guy obsessed
[34:33] Speaker 1: with our flesh? I think I know why, David's. It's
[34:36] Speaker 1: because this guy's got problems. He's got serious addiction issues
[34:39] Speaker 1: that he hasn't been able to deal with. And this
[34:42] Speaker 1: is what it is. Oh, his skits loves God is
[34:44] Speaker 1: up with us Skits and Design says the science it burns,
[34:50] Speaker 1: It burns. What are we going to do with these people?
[34:56] Speaker 1: What are we going to do with them? Brian Evans says,
[34:59] Speaker 1: love watch your streams well thank you so much for watching, Brian,
[35:02] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that, and thank you for super chat
[35:04] Speaker 1: and slightly agnostic good name. Thank you for the nine
[35:06] Speaker 1: nine to nine, says an ex Christian of twenty years,
[35:09] Speaker 1: still recovering from fundamentalists conditioning at forty two. Was blind
[35:13] Speaker 1: to just how evil the God of the Bible was
[35:14] Speaker 1: until watching your videos. Thanks for the enlightening debates. Well,
[35:17] Speaker 1: thank you for supporting and watching and deconstructing in your
[35:20] Speaker 1: adult years. Is hard. I was like you. I was
[35:23] Speaker 1: in it for a long time before I deconstructed it
[35:25] Speaker 1: and it wasn't pretty. And Pat Pat says Big Time babbles,
[35:30] Speaker 1: these guys go on. Isn't it crazy? I thank you
[35:32] Speaker 1: for a super chat, Pat, But isn't it crazy at
[35:34] Speaker 1: how they think rambling and preaching is gonna is going
[35:39] Speaker 1: to fix the conversation. Like if they just preach enough,
[35:43] Speaker 1: I'll be a Christian mind forge Manicles. Thank you for
[35:47] Speaker 1: the super chat, Big w says. Funniest thing a Rabbi
[35:50] Speaker 1: Tovia singer ever said, you never see Jewish converts saying
[35:54] Speaker 1: they were high and homeless until they found Moses. You
[35:58] Speaker 1: never do that happened, That's never happened. It's only the
[36:03] Speaker 1: the fictitious promises of Jesus that causes these people. It's
[36:07] Speaker 1: just a placebo effect, is all it is. We could
[36:09] Speaker 1: insert any name there. We could do Buddha or Vishnu
[36:12] Speaker 1: or Shiva, and somebody will get clean with the power
[36:16] Speaker 1: of Shiva. Rachel, thank you for the two dollars supertest,
[36:19] Speaker 1: says lucky day. I'm off work and attending the barbecue. Well,
[36:21] Speaker 1: holy shit, welcome in and praise Doug. Good to see you, Rachel,
[36:26] Speaker 1: and also ze Bout. Thank you for the nine ninety nine,
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[36:37] Speaker 1: man off the Chaine. I love it. That is a great,
[36:41] Speaker 1: great super chat. Thank you so much for that. And
[36:43] Speaker 1: let me just grab two or three more. LaToya, thank you, Latanya,
[36:47] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the two dollars supertest, says
[36:49] Speaker 1: I have you to listen to it at work instead
[36:51] Speaker 1: of my boss. Well listen, don't get fired, but love
[36:55] Speaker 1: and appreciate you. Thank you for being here, appreciate the
[36:57] Speaker 1: super chat. And Carnage of thought in the house, Thank
[37:01] Speaker 1: you so much. Carnage's outed for the supergen says I
[37:03] Speaker 1: can't tell if all this earnest flesh craving sin talk
[37:07] Speaker 1: is titillating or just extremely uncomfy. It's a little bit
[37:12] Speaker 1: of both. It's a little bit of both, and fantastic
[37:16] Speaker 1: usage of the word titillating. You don't get to hear
[37:19] Speaker 1: that too often. Big W, good to see a carnage
[37:22] Speaker 1: and hamth mullet or ham and molec. Thank you for
[37:25] Speaker 1: the twenty hour superchet. Big W, my friend, good to
[37:27] Speaker 1: see you, says Hi. Justin there's a theory that the
[37:30] Speaker 1: tribe of Dan are actually Philistines, like how when Philistines
[37:33] Speaker 1: attacked Egypt there was a tribe almost that sounds almost
[37:38] Speaker 1: the same, or how Samson has parallels to Hercules. Okay,
[37:42] Speaker 1: so listen to this. If you've watched my stream for
[37:47] Speaker 1: any time, you know that the tribe of Dan, according
[37:50] Speaker 1: to the Bible, was originally situated on the border of
[37:53] Speaker 1: the Philistine territories, and then, according to the narrative, they
[37:56] Speaker 1: couldn't gain a foothold in the land, so they had
[37:59] Speaker 1: to go north right, and that's how the tribe of
[38:01] Speaker 1: Dan showed up in the north. Now, it certainly is
[38:04] Speaker 1: possible that originally, like if you ignore the Biblical account
[38:09] Speaker 1: that originally the tribe of Dan was partially Philistine, they
[38:13] Speaker 1: were part of the Sea peoples, and the sea peoples
[38:17] Speaker 1: that mix with the Israelites moved up to the northern
[38:20] Speaker 1: territory that we now know is Dan. That's a perfectly
[38:23] Speaker 1: workable theory. I've I've read about it a long time ago,
[38:26] Speaker 1: and I haven't really dug back into it, but there's
[38:29] Speaker 1: certainly something there. A lot of historians believe that the
[38:37] Speaker 1: biblical tribes were actually pre existing, like they pre existed
[38:43] Speaker 1: the time of you know, King David and Solomon, and
[38:46] Speaker 1: they had to invent a back narrative for the existence
[38:50] Speaker 1: of these tribes, you know what I mean. Let's get
[38:52] Speaker 1: our next guesting here. If you're watching on YouTube or
[38:56] Speaker 1: Facebook as usual, there's a link in the description, or
[38:59] Speaker 1: you can use a link here on the screen, over
[39:01] Speaker 1: here or over here to join into the conversation. You
[39:04] Speaker 1: don't have to be on TikTok, but welcome in. Deacon, Welcome,
[39:10] Speaker 1: Thank you, Deacon. Are you at least eighteen and are
[39:13] Speaker 1: you a believer?
[39:15] Speaker 3: Yep?
[39:15] Speaker 9: And yes, cool?
[39:17] Speaker 1: Are you a real deacon?
[39:21] Speaker 11: I was?
[39:21] Speaker 14: I changed churches, so not as of right now, but
[39:24] Speaker 14: I'm in between churches.
[39:25] Speaker 8: As we speak.
[39:26] Speaker 1: Cool, what would be the most compelling evidence or argument
[39:30] Speaker 1: for the Christian God being real?
[39:35] Speaker 3: The New Testament?
[39:37] Speaker 1: The Apostles?
[39:37] Speaker 14: You know, Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John they're all firs
[39:40] Speaker 14: and eye witnesses.
[39:42] Speaker 1: Oh shit, Mark was an apostle.
[39:46] Speaker 3: Matthew Mark, Luke and John. Mark was not an impossible.
[39:48] Speaker 14: Oh, Mark wasn't an apostle? Okay, what about Luke? Luke
[39:53] Speaker 14: wasn't either. That's a different you know, It's just I
[39:57] Speaker 14: think it's a different name. I can't remember exactly what
[39:59] Speaker 14: the side order.
[40:00] Speaker 1: Sure, yeah, can you show me in uh? Can you
[40:04] Speaker 1: show me in the Gospels where it tells you who
[40:06] Speaker 1: the author is?
[40:09] Speaker 15: Well, yeah, here we go.
[40:22] Speaker 1: And just so you're aware, if you swipe away from
[40:24] Speaker 1: the app to look something up, we can. We can't
[40:27] Speaker 1: hear you talking. Amir says people take their religious beliefs
[40:39] Speaker 1: too seriously. Seriously people better to fanatically get into sports
[40:44] Speaker 1: or star wars or art or anything else for fuck fake.
[40:47] Speaker 1: I actually don't disagree with you, Emir. That's why I
[40:53] Speaker 1: love the Browns so much. They're really fun to get
[40:56] Speaker 1: into and no matter who they're playing, you're always rooting
[41:00] Speaker 1: for the underdog because their dog shit every year. Literally,
[41:03] Speaker 1: the worst sports team ever is just a factory of sadness.
[41:20] Speaker 1: Is the guest coming.
[41:21] Speaker 14: Back john Mark, and that's a that comes Marcus from
[41:26] Speaker 14: john Mark. And then Luke is actually like a like
[41:30] Speaker 14: an apostle that came later, not I guess of the
[41:33] Speaker 14: original twelve.
[41:34] Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, so show me in the Gospels where
[41:37] Speaker 1: it says that and he's gone again, magic disappearing act,
[41:45] Speaker 1: magic fingers. Oh boy, it's gonna be a wild riding dude.
[41:52] Speaker 14: I don't have the Bible memorized like I had, I've
[41:54] Speaker 14: had like I mean anyways, I can't memorize the Bible.
[41:58] Speaker 3: I don't have a photographic memory or else i'd be
[42:00] Speaker 3: able to remember everything. But I read it. I can't.
[42:05] Speaker 14: I can't believe how you can't believe in God when
[42:07] Speaker 14: you have children. I've seen l Feel free to look
[42:10] Speaker 14: it up if you want to look it up.
[42:12] Speaker 3: I wasn't that.
[42:13] Speaker 2: Big of a huge believer.
[42:15] Speaker 14: I was when I was thirteen, and then around eighteen
[42:17] Speaker 14: I started sinning. I stocked going to church for about
[42:19] Speaker 14: fifteen years. I didn't worship at all.
[42:22] Speaker 1: Sure, and I love it. I love it for you. Listen,
[42:23] Speaker 1: if going to church kept you from sinning, I'm glad
[42:26] Speaker 1: for you. But it doesn't. It doesn't matter to me.
[42:29] Speaker 1: So the question is whether or not it's real, not
[42:31] Speaker 1: whether or not the placebo effect worked for you.
[42:33] Speaker 3: Well, he's absolutely real. My mother's seeing him twice.
[42:36] Speaker 1: But that's okay. Well, I have friends. I have a
[42:39] Speaker 1: friend that I worked with that was visited by two
[42:41] Speaker 1: of the Hindu gods. Does that mean that the Hindu
[42:42] Speaker 1: gods are real?
[42:45] Speaker 14: I mean, I don't even the atheist that went to
[42:47] Speaker 14: hell for three days?
[42:48] Speaker 3: Have you seen that on YouTube? Have you ever googled that?
[42:51] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[42:51] Speaker 1: I've watched those those silly near death experiences. Really, it
[42:56] Speaker 1: turns out we never have near death experiences from like
[43:00] Speaker 1: people in Hindu cultures that go to like Christian places,
[43:04] Speaker 1: and we never have experiences where like Christians or people
[43:08] Speaker 1: from Christian cultures end up in Hindu places and near
[43:10] Speaker 1: death experiences. Near death experiences are hallusions, hallucinations by the brain,
[43:16] Speaker 1: which is why when people have them, their experience in
[43:19] Speaker 1: the supposed after life always mirrors like the culture that
[43:24] Speaker 1: they came from.
[43:26] Speaker 14: Jesus offends everyone because he's the only path to eternal He.
[43:29] Speaker 1: Doesn't he doesn't offend me. He's not real, that's the question.
[43:34] Speaker 1: I don't care if he's offensive. I was curious if
[43:36] Speaker 1: he's real.
[43:38] Speaker 3: I was just trying to say.
[43:39] Speaker 14: And then at the end of Buddha's life, Buddha said
[43:42] Speaker 14: he was still searching for truth, while Jesus says, I
[43:45] Speaker 14: am the embodiment of all truths.
[43:47] Speaker 1: Listen, that's adorable that he said it, but it's I
[43:49] Speaker 1: don't have a reason to believe that.
[43:51] Speaker 14: Faith like Jesus and spoke all those morals. No one
[43:54] Speaker 14: has ever been more morally sound than Jesus.
[43:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, I would disagree wholeheartedly with d Jesus advocated for
[44:01] Speaker 1: the Law of Moses.
[44:02] Speaker 3: It says without God, you're corrupt, you're a liar, and
[44:05] Speaker 3: there's no good inside you, and you're considered a fool.
[44:08] Speaker 1: And again and again, I would care if I thought
[44:11] Speaker 1: the Bible was true, but it's not.
[44:13] Speaker 3: And Jesus again, breath and you're judge by it goes.
[44:17] Speaker 1: There comes the threats.
[44:19] Speaker 3: So this is are you going to get down on
[44:21] Speaker 3: your knees or are you going to be like that?
[44:25] Speaker 1: None of that's going to happen because the only people
[44:28] Speaker 1: who the only people who cry out to God under
[44:31] Speaker 1: death bet are people who actually believe in God.
[44:34] Speaker 14: So you'll believe, you'll believe on that death beat, because
[44:36] Speaker 14: you'll get afraid.
[44:39] Speaker 1: Listen, I mean everyone gets, everybody gets, everybody gets, I've
[44:44] Speaker 1: spoken to this guy, never shuts up. Everybody's afraid of
[44:48] Speaker 1: Everybody is afraid of death because it's the great unknown.
[44:51] Speaker 1: In fact, if Christians really believed what they believed, they
[44:54] Speaker 1: wouldn't be afraid of death either. But as it turns out,
[44:57] Speaker 1: they fight it with every fiber of their bee. The
[45:02] Speaker 1: real people who aren't afraid of death typically typically are
[45:06] Speaker 1: the the Muslims. Those those people are like willing and
[45:09] Speaker 1: eager to go to their death because they believe the
[45:11] Speaker 1: stuff so much.
[45:13] Speaker 9: Yeah, me too.
[45:14] Speaker 1: So the question I'm trying to figure out is why
[45:18] Speaker 1: anyone should believe in this God. I'm not asking if
[45:21] Speaker 1: you like it. I'm not saying that Jesus only taught
[45:24] Speaker 1: bad or good things. I'm I'm trying to figure out
[45:28] Speaker 1: if the thing is real? Right, So, what's the evidence
[45:32] Speaker 1: that the God that you believe in is real?
[45:35] Speaker 16: Let's see, they found the pilot stone, so concil is
[45:39] Speaker 16: inside the Bible, and they found a letter from from
[45:44] Speaker 16: a Pilot to Caesar about Jesus Christ. Well that's not
[45:49] Speaker 16: that is true.
[45:51] Speaker 3: They found the stone and they found the letter. Look
[45:53] Speaker 3: on discovery.
[45:54] Speaker 1: The Pilot letters are well known forgeries. Now we do
[45:58] Speaker 1: know that Pilot is easy. They won't let me talk.
[46:01] Speaker 1: So the Pilot letters are clearly late forgeries. No scholars
[46:06] Speaker 1: takes them seriously. We do know that Pilot was a
[46:09] Speaker 1: real person. None of that matters. So the fact that
[46:15] Speaker 1: Pilot was a real person doesn't validate the fact that
[46:19] Speaker 1: Pilot was a real person doesn't validate. You can only
[46:23] Speaker 1: the fact that Pilot was a real person doesn't validate
[46:26] Speaker 1: the biblical story that's told about Pilot, for the same
[46:28] Speaker 1: reason that Muhammad being a real person doesn't validate that
[46:32] Speaker 1: Mohammad flew on a flying camel, flying donkey, whatever you
[46:36] Speaker 1: want it, or that he split the moon into So
[46:39] Speaker 1: the fact that you can validate a person's existence doesn't
[46:42] Speaker 1: validate the mythology be about that person. So you do
[46:45] Speaker 1: understand why Pilot. Do you understand why Pilot not? Do
[46:50] Speaker 1: you understand why Pilot not existing or existing doesn't validate
[46:55] Speaker 1: whether or not Jesus like rose from the dead, or
[46:57] Speaker 1: whether or not he was God or anything like that.
[47:02] Speaker 3: Children to go to hell. That's crazy.
[47:04] Speaker 1: No one hurt. Nobody heard what you said because you
[47:07] Speaker 1: were talking while I was ending my sentence. So if
[47:11] Speaker 1: you want to have a productive it will stop. New
[47:14] Speaker 1: to me, if you want to have a productive conversation,
[47:16] Speaker 1: the thing that you should do is stop interrupting me
[47:20] Speaker 1: like I would listen if I interrupted you. I'm sorry
[47:23] Speaker 1: for it. Oh, there he goes. They just want to
[47:29] Speaker 1: get up and preach. They don't actually want to dialogue.
[47:33] Speaker 1: They have nothing to add. They have nothing to bring
[47:36] Speaker 1: to the table. Bye, thank you for the fight. Dollar
[47:41] Speaker 1: super jett It says, I know the temptations they sang
[47:44] Speaker 1: the only himn Papa with a rolling stone. I love
[47:48] Speaker 1: some classic.
[47:51] Speaker 3: UH.
[47:52] Speaker 1: It came out of the Blues movement. But the UH
[47:56] Speaker 1: like classic R and B. I guess you might call
[47:58] Speaker 1: it phenomenal. DJ Diaper says, what did Jesus shout when
[48:05] Speaker 1: they took him from the cross? No? Feet first? I mean,
[48:14] Speaker 1: according to legend, he was dead. Here's the funny thing is, like,
[48:19] Speaker 1: you know, there are some people who believe in the
[48:21] Speaker 1: swoon theory or that you know, Jesus had like hemlock
[48:25] Speaker 1: or something when he was crucified and he only appeared dead.
[48:30] Speaker 1: Actually think that's a pretty viable theory. I've been reading
[48:34] Speaker 1: some history books and there's quite a few people who
[48:37] Speaker 1: purposely faked their death through various means in order to
[48:43] Speaker 1: trick people believing that they came back from the dead.
[48:46] Speaker 1: One of them was a follower of Pythagoras, and so yeah,
[48:51] Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised at all if Jesus like faked
[48:53] Speaker 1: his own death. Then they just walked out of the
[48:57] Speaker 1: two man and was looking Kaylin, thank you for the
[49:00] Speaker 1: super chest says to get rid of hiccups, take a
[49:03] Speaker 1: drink of beverage, bend at your waist, and then swallow
[49:06] Speaker 1: upside Downish works every time.
[49:08] Speaker 15: Kaylin.
[49:09] Speaker 1: I think I've used about every trick for hiccups, and
[49:12] Speaker 1: you probably saw my last hiccup fast like a week ago.
[49:19] Speaker 1: So thank you for the advice. I'll definitely give it
[49:22] Speaker 1: a shot. And look at the people shouting in the comments,
[49:26] Speaker 1: literally shouting in the comments. He rose from the dead,
[49:30] Speaker 1: read Matthew. We've read Matthew. We don't believe it. They
[49:34] Speaker 1: always think that we like just reading the Bible is
[49:36] Speaker 1: going to fix it. If we thought the Bible was true,
[49:39] Speaker 1: we would believe it. We all know what it says.
[49:41] Speaker 1: We know it better than you do. You're the one
[49:43] Speaker 1: that hasn't read it. Cody, thank you so much for
[49:46] Speaker 1: the nine ninety nine and says, this is something I
[49:47] Speaker 1: think about often. If we discover alien life with complete
[49:52] Speaker 1: comparable technology, would that change religion or would we just
[49:55] Speaker 1: change the existing theory. Would like to hear your view, so, Cody,
[49:59] Speaker 1: I actually did a live stream a while back basically
[50:02] Speaker 1: asking Christians if if it happened that we discovered alien
[50:06] Speaker 1: life and it was intelligent, what would that mean for
[50:09] Speaker 1: your religion? And a lot of Christians, the ones who
[50:14] Speaker 1: believe that it's impossible, will double down and say it
[50:20] Speaker 1: will never happen because my religion basically excludes that type
[50:25] Speaker 1: of a thing. And then if it does happen, that
[50:28] Speaker 1: means my religion is false. And then some like some Christians,
[50:32] Speaker 1: there we go, ooops, I just ran out of memory
[50:35] Speaker 1: on my browser. Some Christians will essentially like double down
[50:42] Speaker 1: and they'll say, no, if if it happens that we
[50:46] Speaker 1: find alien life on another planet, then it just means
[50:50] Speaker 1: that we have to rethink our theology. Right, So rather
[50:55] Speaker 1: than admitting that our sacred book is wrong, we're just
[50:59] Speaker 1: gonna double down and say that our book is right
[51:03] Speaker 1: no matter what. We just we misinterpreted it right. We
[51:06] Speaker 1: didn't read it right. We didn't we didn't squint enough.
[51:09] Speaker 1: That's what will most likely be the case. That's usually
[51:13] Speaker 1: how these things play out, too. All right, give me
[51:15] Speaker 1: one second. I got to pop out my chat again
[51:17] Speaker 1: and get my my chat window working properly. I apologize.
[51:24] Speaker 1: I wish there was a good internet browser that didn't
[51:28] Speaker 1: constantly cause problems with overloading the like the memory on
[51:34] Speaker 1: your computer. I haven't found one that that properly does
[51:37] Speaker 1: that yet. And Pat Pat says, love how they always
[51:41] Speaker 1: run to the New Testament. Listen, If we know anything
[51:44] Speaker 1: it's that they're terrified of the Old Testament. That's that's
[51:46] Speaker 1: the case, Amir. Thank you for sending out a gifted
[51:49] Speaker 1: DZ membership. I super appreciate that. Friend and skeptics and
[51:53] Speaker 1: scoundrels with us, Thank you so much for the supertests morning.
[51:57] Speaker 1: Can Doug can Dug magic up some coffee for me? Please?
[52:02] Speaker 1: Doug loves some coffee, but unfortunately I don't know if
[52:04] Speaker 1: he could make it for you, being that he doesn't
[52:08] Speaker 1: have hams he could will it into existence for you.
[52:11] Speaker 1: I'll pray to Doug and let you know how that goes.
[52:14] Speaker 1: And Austin, thank you for the supertestys. Are you switching
[52:17] Speaker 1: the live streams to the morning. Well, I'm probably going
[52:19] Speaker 1: to be doing some morning live streams just over the
[52:22] Speaker 1: summer so I can spend evenings with my son. I
[52:27] Speaker 1: will be doing some late night streams over the summer,
[52:31] Speaker 1: and I've got a couple of weeks here and there
[52:32] Speaker 1: where he's going to be visiting with Mom that I'll
[52:34] Speaker 1: be doing normal streams. So the summer schedule is going
[52:36] Speaker 1: to be a little crazy, but it typically is in
[52:39] Speaker 1: the summer. Saint Brush says, I can see why he's
[52:42] Speaker 1: no longer a deacon. Yeah, yeah, I can see that right. Yeah,
[52:45] Speaker 1: he didn't have any impulse control whatsoever. And Pat, Pat,
[52:49] Speaker 1: thank you for the supertests. Love how they breaking news
[52:53] Speaker 1: as they talk over you. I'll never under listen.
[52:58] Speaker 3: I get it.
[52:59] Speaker 1: If you're not a Christian, why you would be belligerent
[53:01] Speaker 1: and you would talk over to somebody. I totally get.
[53:04] Speaker 1: I do it sometimes, I do it all the time. Actually,
[53:07] Speaker 1: But if you're a Christian and your goal is to
[53:09] Speaker 1: bring people to your religion, you should have the most
[53:12] Speaker 1: upright conduct of anybody who ever existed. Because if your
[53:16] Speaker 1: goal is to convince you of this thing, and the
[53:19] Speaker 1: book says that Christians are going to have the fruit
[53:22] Speaker 1: of the spirit, and then you don't have the fruit
[53:24] Speaker 1: of the spirit, well then we have no reason to
[53:26] Speaker 1: believe your nonsense book. The night Man coming, thank you
[53:29] Speaker 1: for the super check. Good to see your, friend says
[53:30] Speaker 1: this deacon's source is Discovery Channel. That's the new one. Yeah,
[53:36] Speaker 1: it's crazy when they think the Discovery Channel is an
[53:39] Speaker 1: authoritative source, literally like they would go to ancient alien theory.
[53:44] Speaker 1: Crazy to me. And Linden says, day stream popping up,
[53:47] Speaker 1: popping on to give thanks, praise, well, thank you so much, Lindon,
[53:50] Speaker 1: I appreciate that, big big w and Erzmont. Good to
[53:53] Speaker 1: see you tonight or tonight this morning, friend says. Nobody
[53:56] Speaker 1: ever crashes out for Krishna. Isn't that such a truth?
[53:59] Speaker 1: We had to hind you up here, crash out over
[54:02] Speaker 1: me not believing in Krishna. It's not a thing. It's
[54:05] Speaker 1: only the Abrahamic believers and bearded heretic. Thank you so
[54:10] Speaker 1: much for the ten nowur supertest. It says, I think
[54:12] Speaker 1: people like Deacon think if they interrupt and are louder
[54:15] Speaker 1: than you, it makes them more correct somehow, It doesn't.
[54:19] Speaker 1: It typically just makes them sound long winded and full
[54:21] Speaker 1: of shit. Yeah, yeah, that's a that's a million percent
[54:24] Speaker 1: the case. They are not winning people to the religion
[54:28] Speaker 1: with that behavior. And cutlery duck. Good to see your friend.
[54:33] Speaker 1: Thank you for the super chat, it says, quack. That's all. Well,
[54:36] Speaker 1: a hearty quack, quack quack to you and midlife crisis man.
[54:40] Speaker 1: Thank you for the ninety nine ZAR says this live
[54:43] Speaker 1: timing is so much better for us. Heathen's in Africa.
[54:46] Speaker 1: What a pleasant surprise to hear you on. Brought e
[54:49] Speaker 1: them good justin Well, Thank you so much, and I
[54:52] Speaker 1: will barbecue brought e them as good as I can.
[54:56] Speaker 1: Thank you for the super chat. Marcus is with us
[54:58] Speaker 1: this morning. Thank you Marcus for the super says got
[55:01] Speaker 1: to give a super chat for the Factory of Sadness
[55:03] Speaker 1: reference classic. If you know you know, if you know
[55:08] Speaker 1: you know, and trust me, if you're from where I'm from,
[55:10] Speaker 1: you know Golock thank you for the super chest. It says,
[55:14] Speaker 1: great to see you live during the daylight hours, praise Doug.
[55:16] Speaker 1: And I think you mean Sharon, but we'll take Shaza.
[55:20] Speaker 1: Sharon's okay, you're paying her respect either way, and him
[55:23] Speaker 1: and says if Christians are against persecutions, ask them if
[55:26] Speaker 1: they condemned Theodosius the Second. Oh, the Edict of Theodosious
[55:30] Speaker 1: the Second was horrific. And in fact, I've been meaning
[55:33] Speaker 1: to put together a video on all of the horrific
[55:37] Speaker 1: edicts of the church. I'm getting there, I promise I'm
[55:39] Speaker 1: getting there. Noah's Lion's good to see this morning, says
[55:43] Speaker 1: message your size and address when you can sewing today?
[55:49] Speaker 1: Oh shit, okay, listen, well I've got your information. I'll
[55:53] Speaker 1: definitely shoot you a message. Would love to have some
[55:57] Speaker 1: homemade sew and goods. I appreciate that. Good to see
[56:00] Speaker 1: a friend. And last one from cutlery Duck again says
[56:04] Speaker 1: damn right sample user, thank you so much. I was
[56:11] Speaker 1: wondering if people would catch that as I had to
[56:12] Speaker 1: restart my browser. It always goes to a default, a
[56:17] Speaker 1: default superchat or message window, and then you know you
[56:20] Speaker 1: know what it is, what it is all right, let's
[56:22] Speaker 1: get our next guest in here. We had Alec has
[56:25] Speaker 1: been waiting for a bit, and then it looks like
[56:26] Speaker 1: we're gonna grab somebody from the YouTube queue after Alec.
[56:30] Speaker 1: I try to. I'm doing my best to keep people
[56:32] Speaker 1: in the order that they show up, so they're not
[56:35] Speaker 1: waiting forever. But you know happens sometimes. How you doing, Alec,
[56:40] Speaker 1: blessed man? How are you doing?
[56:42] Speaker 3: Well?
[56:42] Speaker 1: Thank you for asking, Alec? Are you at least eighteen?
[56:45] Speaker 1: And are you a believer?
[56:47] Speaker 8: I am man, I love Jesus and I am twenty nine?
[56:51] Speaker 1: Cool would be the most compelling evidence or argument for
[56:56] Speaker 1: the Christian God being real?
[56:59] Speaker 8: Well? Truthfully, man, I believe there's lots of examples. I
[57:01] Speaker 8: believe all creation testifies.
[57:04] Speaker 9: I don't that's cool.
[57:06] Speaker 8: Well, let me break it down for you in a
[57:08] Speaker 8: few ways. I think the most obvious way in today's
[57:11] Speaker 8: world is the presence of evil. Right, I think we
[57:13] Speaker 8: can both come to an agreement that evil exists.
[57:16] Speaker 1: No, I don't.
[57:17] Speaker 8: You don't think evil exists?
[57:19] Speaker 3: No?
[57:19] Speaker 1: I think evil is just a description that we call
[57:21] Speaker 1: behavior we don't like.
[57:23] Speaker 8: Well, if we can't come to grounds on a definition
[57:26] Speaker 8: of evil, like you don't think that murder is evil.
[57:31] Speaker 1: So again, I don't think evil exists at all. Evil
[57:34] Speaker 1: is something we call what we don't like, right, So
[57:37] Speaker 1: if somebody does something that we don't like, and we
[57:39] Speaker 1: all agree that we don't like it, we just refer
[57:41] Speaker 1: to that thing as evil. But I don't think evil
[57:44] Speaker 1: as a transcendental category exists.
[57:47] Speaker 8: I think, truthfully, if we're being honest with ourselves, there's
[57:51] Speaker 8: inherent good love, and then on the opposite spectrum there's
[57:55] Speaker 8: evil and darkness.
[57:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, I would disagree.
[57:59] Speaker 8: Well, then you don't you lack common sense, then that's okay, No,
[58:04] Speaker 8: you just lack critical thinking.
[58:05] Speaker 1: So you're referring to, you're referring to, you're referring to,
[58:11] Speaker 1: you're referring to transcendental categories, which I don't believe actually exist.
[58:16] Speaker 1: So what I'm trying to figure out is what would
[58:18] Speaker 1: be the evidence that I would believe in some sort
[58:21] Speaker 1: of transcendental evil or good category.
[58:27] Speaker 8: Sorry, you're gonna have to repeat that, Go ahead.
[58:30] Speaker 1: What be the reason why I would believe in some
[58:33] Speaker 1: sort of transcendental goodness or transcendental badness? Why would I
[58:37] Speaker 1: believe that?
[58:39] Speaker 8: Well, because you can just see all of the evil
[58:42] Speaker 8: and the sexual immorality and the sacrificing of children and
[58:46] Speaker 8: horrible things that take place. And you can't inherently say
[58:49] Speaker 8: that that's good or comes from a place of love.
[58:52] Speaker 1: No, I would say that it's either good or bad
[58:55] Speaker 1: or whatnot. But that doesn't make it a transcendental entity, right,
[58:59] Speaker 1: So I'm using my own mental faculties to come to
[59:03] Speaker 1: that conclusion, which makes it a subjective thing, not an
[59:06] Speaker 1: objective thing.
[59:08] Speaker 8: The Bible says without the word, he turns us over
[59:10] Speaker 8: to our own depraved minds and our own desires, which
[59:13] Speaker 8: it sounds like what you're doing right now because you
[59:16] Speaker 8: don't believe in the word.
[59:17] Speaker 11: Right.
[59:18] Speaker 1: So, truthfully, if I wrote a book that says Alec
[59:22] Speaker 1: is depraved if he doesn't follow my religion, does that
[59:24] Speaker 1: make you depraved?
[59:26] Speaker 8: No, it means that if you don't willingly choose to
[59:29] Speaker 8: seek wisdom, then you're going to be turned over to
[59:31] Speaker 8: your own desce.
[59:32] Speaker 1: I do love the truth and seek wisdom, which is
[59:34] Speaker 1: why I don't believe in your God, and I've been
[59:36] Speaker 1: waiting for an argument from you that lands in your
[59:38] Speaker 1: God being real.
[59:40] Speaker 8: Well, I'm just trying to come to a place of
[59:42] Speaker 8: agreement even if you don't fully agree with me, fully,
[59:44] Speaker 8: there are some things that we can agree. We can
[59:46] Speaker 8: probably agree that tacos are great. Right, we got to
[59:49] Speaker 8: have some ground agree and we can form a fully
[59:53] Speaker 8: like dialogue here. Right, We got to come to some
[59:55] Speaker 8: basis of agreement.
[59:57] Speaker 1: Not only do I believe that tacos are great, I
[59:59] Speaker 1: would fight somebody for disagree with me on that.
[1:00:02] Speaker 8: Amen. See he looks seven. Even you who doesn't agree
[1:00:05] Speaker 8: with me can agree Toago's are great. Amen. I love that.
[1:00:08] Speaker 1: But that's subjective.
[1:00:09] Speaker 8: Okay, great. My point is you know, deep down, like
[1:00:13] Speaker 8: if somebody with the kidnap your kids, they're not doing
[1:00:15] Speaker 8: that out of love, true or false.
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: I don't think you need to know anything deep down
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: to know that kidnapping children is bad.
[1:00:22] Speaker 8: Exactly. That's a dark entity, right because of what about
[1:00:25] Speaker 8: selling battle against flesh and blood, but against spirits and principalities.
[1:00:29] Speaker 1: And having played adorable.
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: We need that there's.
[1:00:32] Speaker 8: Forces out there beyond what the visible I can see,
[1:00:35] Speaker 8: that have influence and power over this world.
[1:00:41] Speaker 1: That we know what it means. We just don't believe
[1:00:43] Speaker 1: that those spirits exist.
[1:00:45] Speaker 8: Why they're worshiped in every culture from the beginning of time.
[1:00:48] Speaker 1: They're not.
[1:00:50] Speaker 8: What do you mean. Ancient Egyptians worshiped pagan gods. All
[1:00:53] Speaker 8: of the every culture that you analyze, they had some
[1:00:56] Speaker 8: form of worship in God, right, they.
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: Had a god or even multiple gods. But what you're
[1:01:01] Speaker 1: suggesting is that those gods were pagan and that you
[1:01:05] Speaker 1: have the real God. But they would say the same
[1:01:06] Speaker 1: thing about you. They would say, no, our gods are
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: real and your God is pagan.
[1:01:10] Speaker 8: Well, the reason they would say that is because of
[1:01:14] Speaker 8: the things that they're promised by worshiping these gods. Wisdom
[1:01:19] Speaker 8: gain in this world.
[1:01:21] Speaker 1: Wisdom is wrong.
[1:01:24] Speaker 8: Wisdom apart from God is wrong.
[1:01:26] Speaker 1: Yes, how come God didn't know that slavery was wrong? Bigy,
[1:01:33] Speaker 1: thank you for the heart.
[1:01:34] Speaker 8: That's a major pivot, But I mean, we can certainly
[1:01:36] Speaker 8: address that if you buy Well, I.
[1:01:38] Speaker 1: Don't know if it's as much of a pivot as
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: you think it is. Like you're suggesting that because we
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: don't follow your God, like we are inherently wrong and
[1:01:47] Speaker 1: immoral and we don't actually know like what wisdom is.
[1:01:51] Speaker 1: But I would imagine that, like a wise person could
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: come to a pretty easy conclusion that slavery is not good.
[1:02:00] Speaker 8: The Bible also mentions being a slave to God. Right,
[1:02:03] Speaker 8: you know what that.
[1:02:04] Speaker 1: Means, big Daddy, Thank you so much for the handoards. Yeah,
[1:02:06] Speaker 1: I know what it means, but that's irrelevant. We're talking
[1:02:08] Speaker 1: about actual slavery, like owning a human being as property.
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: Do you think that owning a human being as property
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: is good or bad?
[1:02:18] Speaker 8: Well, if you look at the true breakdown of what
[1:02:21] Speaker 8: slavery is in that time, right, Okay, so what slavery was?
[1:02:28] Speaker 3: Teach me.
[1:02:28] Speaker 8: I've never read the Bible one sure, sure, I was happy,
[1:02:31] Speaker 8: too happy to discuss what it was back then. For
[1:02:35] Speaker 8: most people's perception of it is how African Americans were
[1:02:38] Speaker 8: treated in the United States.
[1:02:40] Speaker 11: Right.
[1:02:40] Speaker 1: I didn't say anything about African Americans.
[1:02:43] Speaker 8: Okay, Well, I'm just giving you what most Americans think
[1:02:45] Speaker 8: of when they hear the word slavery, true or false.
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: I mean, it sounds to me that that's what you're doing,
[1:02:49] Speaker 1: but I don't really see why.
[1:02:50] Speaker 8: That's the point I'm explaining it to you. But I mean,
[1:02:53] Speaker 8: you're again trying to buy it.
[1:02:55] Speaker 1: But I'm not asking about African slavery. I'm asking about
[1:02:57] Speaker 1: biblical slavery. Tell me what it's all about.
[1:03:00] Speaker 8: I just told you the whole intention behind that is
[1:03:03] Speaker 8: to that we are slaves to God, we do God's will.
[1:03:06] Speaker 1: No, No, I'm talking about slavery, not about metaphorical slavery. I'm
[1:03:09] Speaker 1: talking about one human being owning another human being.
[1:03:12] Speaker 8: That's in the Bible, right, listen, man, My point is
[1:03:16] Speaker 8: that there's evil as it exists.
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: Again, in general, do you think that slavery is evil?
[1:03:23] Speaker 8: I think unjust slavery is wrong.
[1:03:27] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: Do you think it slavery the practice of owning another
[1:03:31] Speaker 1: human being as properties evil?
[1:03:37] Speaker 8: I don't personally agree with that. No, Okay, I'm not God.
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: Okay, So yes or no? Then you believe personally that
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: owning another human being is wrong.
[1:03:48] Speaker 8: I just said I don't believe in that type of slavery. Now,
[1:03:51] Speaker 8: I believe the type of Bible talks about being a
[1:03:54] Speaker 8: slave to God and doing his will. That's what I
[1:03:56] Speaker 8: believe in.
[1:03:56] Speaker 1: Okay, So the God of the Bible also doesn't believe
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: in that kind of slavery.
[1:04:02] Speaker 8: Man, Our God loves us, man, he came and died
[1:04:05] Speaker 8: for us. That's what I believe.
[1:04:06] Speaker 1: Again, say answered, no, it does the God of the
[1:04:08] Speaker 1: Bible endorse that kind of slavery? Yes or non?
[1:04:11] Speaker 8: Listen?
[1:04:12] Speaker 1: These.
[1:04:12] Speaker 8: That question is a great question. Did answer it?
[1:04:17] Speaker 1: Don't have an answer?
[1:04:18] Speaker 8: You going to sit here and ask like, I'm all
[1:04:20] Speaker 8: knowing about Hey, what does God exactly think about slavery?
[1:04:23] Speaker 8: You can ask him that when you meet him. Man, Okay,
[1:04:25] Speaker 8: I'm asking you what the Bible says. Bro, I don't
[1:04:29] Speaker 8: know exactly about that point. You don't know oh about
[1:04:33] Speaker 8: that point about slavery.
[1:04:34] Speaker 1: That's not want me to read you. I think I
[1:04:36] Speaker 1: could read you a passage on it. Though I want
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: me to read you a passage.
[1:04:39] Speaker 8: I'd love to respond to it. Sure, Sure says you
[1:04:43] Speaker 8: could read the full chapter that where you get context too,
[1:04:45] Speaker 8: and not.
[1:04:45] Speaker 1: Just actually actually know the context quite well. Says as
[1:04:49] Speaker 1: for the male and female slaves whom you may have,
[1:04:52] Speaker 1: it is from the nations. The chapter is Leviticus twenty five.
[1:04:57] Speaker 1: Sure the law yep. As for the male in female
[1:05:00] Speaker 1: slaves you may have, it is from the nations around
[1:05:02] Speaker 1: you that you may acquire male and female slaves. You
[1:05:04] Speaker 1: may also acquire them from among the aliens residing with you,
[1:05:08] Speaker 1: and from their families who are with you, who have
[1:05:10] Speaker 1: been born in your land. They may be your property.
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: You may keep them as a possession. For your children
[1:05:15] Speaker 1: after you for them to inherit as property. So owning
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: another human being is property. Sounds like slavery, doesn't it.
[1:05:22] Speaker 8: Yeah, I can absolutely explain that. I'm glad you. I'm
[1:05:24] Speaker 8: really glad you said the chapter because that law has
[1:05:28] Speaker 8: been fulfilled, right, and we exist under a new covenant
[1:05:31] Speaker 8: right at that time, at that time, the enemy possessed
[1:05:34] Speaker 8: the keys to sin and death. So that was what
[1:05:36] Speaker 8: was running rampant on the year.
[1:05:38] Speaker 1: Okay, so then we can own as many slaves as
[1:05:39] Speaker 1: we want.
[1:05:40] Speaker 8: Now, no, we can't.
[1:05:42] Speaker 1: Well, what do you mean we can't? Well? Okay, so
[1:05:44] Speaker 1: the law says we can own slaves. Now that the
[1:05:47] Speaker 1: law is gone, what's preventing us from owning slaves?
[1:05:53] Speaker 8: Fulfilling the two laws and the new covenant that the
[1:05:56] Speaker 8: Lord said, love with the Lord that God, with all
[1:05:58] Speaker 8: your heart, mind and soul, and love your name neghbor
[1:06:00] Speaker 8: as if you yourself, Where do you think.
[1:06:01] Speaker 3: Those came from?
[1:06:03] Speaker 8: Fulfilling the law?
[1:06:04] Speaker 11: From?
[1:06:04] Speaker 1: Where do you think those came from?
[1:06:06] Speaker 8: Those two laws alone, fulfilled every single old covenant law?
[1:06:10] Speaker 1: Where do you think those laws came from?
[1:06:13] Speaker 8: From the Most High God?
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: In what book?
[1:06:18] Speaker 8: What are you talking about? Leviticus that's what the old
[1:06:20] Speaker 8: law exactly.
[1:06:21] Speaker 1: So he no, the law you just quoted from, Jesus
[1:06:23] Speaker 1: give you the two most important laws. One of them
[1:06:26] Speaker 1: comes from Deuteronomy chapter five, and one comes from Leviticus
[1:06:30] Speaker 1: chapter nineteen. So Jesus didn't say that these two commandments
[1:06:34] Speaker 1: are replacing all the other commandments.
[1:06:36] Speaker 2: All's he was.
[1:06:38] Speaker 1: He said, He didn't fulfill anything, just pay attention. So
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: all Jesus said was that these are the two most
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: important commandments. He didn't say these are the only commandments.
[1:06:48] Speaker 1: And it's also true that Leviticus nineteen eighteen the law
[1:06:52] Speaker 1: to love your neighbor as yourself. That same book six
[1:06:55] Speaker 1: six chapters later. The God who said love your neighbor
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: as yourself also said you can own people a property.
[1:07:02] Speaker 1: So obviously, owning slaves is not incompatible with loving your neighbor.
[1:07:06] Speaker 8: Love covers the multitudes of sin.
[1:07:09] Speaker 1: But you're a bad quote machine. Pay attention to words
[1:07:12] Speaker 1: came out of my mouth. So owning slaves is not
[1:07:15] Speaker 1: incongruent with loving your neighbor. Because the same God that
[1:07:18] Speaker 1: said to love your neighbors also said you can own slaves.
[1:07:22] Speaker 8: The time in which he said you can own slaves
[1:07:25] Speaker 8: was the time that Satan had the keys to sin
[1:07:27] Speaker 8: and death for or false.
[1:07:28] Speaker 1: According to you, Satan's still here on the earth, and
[1:07:32] Speaker 1: he's still roaming around like a lion?
[1:07:34] Speaker 15: Is he not?
[1:07:35] Speaker 6: He is?
[1:07:35] Speaker 8: But he tried?
[1:07:36] Speaker 1: Is he still in charge?
[1:07:38] Speaker 8: He has power because we have authority over him through
[1:07:41] Speaker 8: Christ Jesus.
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: So in Second Christians four to four, when it says
[1:07:44] Speaker 1: he's the God of this age, he's not the God
[1:07:46] Speaker 1: of this age.
[1:07:47] Speaker 8: No, it actually says he's the prince of this world.
[1:07:49] Speaker 8: But God is the most High who came down and
[1:07:51] Speaker 8: made a spectacle in front of the enemy when he
[1:07:54] Speaker 8: came down.
[1:07:55] Speaker 1: I think the only spectacle was what happened when Jesus
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: got himself crucified. So, but let's try to actually pay
[1:08:01] Speaker 1: attention to the argument. We're still talking about why God
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: said you can own slaves. How long did God say
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: to follow the law?
[1:08:07] Speaker 8: For do you know anybody who's perfectly followed the law?
[1:08:13] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you if you can follow it perfectly.
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: But yes, the Bible says Zachary and Elizabeth were righteous
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: according to all of the commandments of the law, so
[1:08:21] Speaker 1: we know at least two of them from the New Testament.
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: The question is the God who gave the laws, did
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: he tell people how long to follow them?
[1:08:27] Speaker 8: For he said that we all fall short of the
[1:08:33] Speaker 8: glory of I'm.
[1:08:33] Speaker 1: Sure he said it. That's not my question. My question
[1:08:36] Speaker 1: is a I need you have paid attention to my questions.
[1:08:42] Speaker 1: You didn't respond because it doesn't address my question. So
[1:08:47] Speaker 1: you have You're literally concussed right now. My question was
[1:08:51] Speaker 1: about the duration of the commandments. The God who gave
[1:08:55] Speaker 1: the commandments? Did he mention how long he wanted them
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: to follow the commandments?
[1:08:59] Speaker 8: For I don't know the answer to that off the
[1:09:02] Speaker 8: top of my head, Sir.
[1:09:03] Speaker 1: The answer is yes. Want me to read it for you?
[1:09:06] Speaker 8: Happy, Yeah, provide the chapter in the context, that would
[1:09:09] Speaker 8: be great.
[1:09:09] Speaker 1: It's in Deuteronomy chapter four, chapter twelve. In chapter eleven,
[1:09:14] Speaker 1: let's do Deuteronomy eleven real quick, Versus one and two,
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: he says, you shall love the Lord, you God, therefore
[1:09:24] Speaker 1: and keep his charge, his decrees, his ordinances, and his
[1:09:27] Speaker 1: commandments always. And then he goes on in chapter twelve
[1:09:31] Speaker 1: and says the same thing. In fact, he says, these
[1:09:34] Speaker 1: are the statutes and ordinances that you must diligently observe
[1:09:38] Speaker 1: in the land that the Lord, the God of your ancestors,
[1:09:40] Speaker 1: has given you to occupy all the days that you
[1:09:43] Speaker 1: live on the earth, all of them, which means these
[1:09:45] Speaker 1: laws aren't temporary. They didn't just go away. And Jesus
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: himself said the opposite. Jesus himself says that whoever doesn't
[1:09:54] Speaker 1: follow the law and teaches others to not follow the
[1:09:56] Speaker 1: law will be called least in the Kingdom of Heaven.
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: You want me to read that one for you, No.
[1:10:01] Speaker 8: That's fine, you don't have to read that. I appreciate
[1:10:02] Speaker 8: you sharing that context, and I agree. I think Jesus
[1:10:05] Speaker 8: came and he fulfilled all of the law because we
[1:10:07] Speaker 8: all couldn't do it ourselves.
[1:10:08] Speaker 1: Well, zach Wright and Elizabeth did it.
[1:10:12] Speaker 8: He didn't have an earthly father.
[1:10:14] Speaker 1: Zacharr and Elizabeth did it.
[1:10:16] Speaker 8: Dude, you don't know what sin they committed.
[1:10:18] Speaker 1: The Bible says they were righteous according to all the
[1:10:20] Speaker 1: commandments of the law.
[1:10:22] Speaker 8: It says that I'm righteous too because of Christ Jesus.
[1:10:24] Speaker 1: No, according to the commandments of the law.
[1:10:27] Speaker 8: According to the commanders of the law, I am righteous
[1:10:29] Speaker 8: as well through Christ Jesus. Of what she fulfilled.
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: We're talking about Zach Right and Elizabeth, who lived before
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: Jesus died, all right, so just so, so pay attention,
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: So pay attention.
[1:10:45] Speaker 3: Okay.
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: So if they're righteous according to the commandments of the law,
[1:10:51] Speaker 1: that means that, in fact, they followed all the commandments
[1:10:55] Speaker 1: of the law. Right.
[1:10:58] Speaker 8: I mean, I don't think that they were so fully.
[1:11:00] Speaker 8: They had atomic nature just like you and me, sir.
[1:11:03] Speaker 8: They fall short. Jesus did not have atomic nature because
[1:11:06] Speaker 8: he didn't have a father from earth.
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: Okay. So Luke is lying then, because it says both
[1:11:09] Speaker 1: of them were righteous before God, living blamelessly according to
[1:11:13] Speaker 1: all of the commandments and regulations of the Lord, which
[1:11:16] Speaker 1: means they followed all the commandments and all the regulations
[1:11:19] Speaker 1: so much so that they were blameless according to them,
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: which means they did follow the law.
[1:11:25] Speaker 8: So did they have a father from earth? Yes?
[1:11:28] Speaker 11: Or no?
[1:11:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, But that's irrelevant. I need you to focus. We're
[1:11:31] Speaker 1: talking about whether or not it's possible to follow the law.
[1:11:34] Speaker 8: It's not irrelevant. It's not irrelevant because they had atomic
[1:11:37] Speaker 8: nature just like you and I.
[1:11:39] Speaker 1: The question is whether or not they're capable of following
[1:11:41] Speaker 1: the law.
[1:11:43] Speaker 8: The law is a shadow of what was to come.
[1:11:46] Speaker 8: It's a mirror that shows us that we were dirty
[1:11:48] Speaker 8: and needed a savior.
[1:11:50] Speaker 1: Listen, that's adorable that you believe that. That's not the topic.
[1:11:53] Speaker 1: The topic is whether or not people are capable of
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: following the law. And according to Luke, people are capable
[1:12:01] Speaker 1: of following the law because it says that Zachariah and
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: Elizabeth were righteous and blameless according to all of the
[1:12:06] Speaker 1: commandments of the law. And the guy who gave the law,
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: yeahweh says the same thing. Surely this the commandment that
[1:12:12] Speaker 1: I'm giving you today, that I'm commanding you today, is
[1:12:15] Speaker 1: not too hard for you, nor is it too far away.
[1:12:19] Speaker 1: So the God so the So, the God who gave
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: the commandment said that it's not too hard to follow.
[1:12:28] Speaker 8: He's not sinless. Where does it say he's sinless.
[1:12:30] Speaker 1: I never said anybody was sinless. I'm saying that the
[1:12:32] Speaker 1: God who gave the commandment said they're not too hard
[1:12:35] Speaker 1: to follow.
[1:12:38] Speaker 8: Do you know how many laws there are in old Testaments?
[1:12:40] Speaker 1: Are about six hundred and fourteen. But I think that's
[1:12:42] Speaker 1: a misnomer. I did account myself, and a bunch of
[1:12:44] Speaker 1: them are actually redundant. And I don't believe there's actually
[1:12:47] Speaker 1: six hundred and fourteen. It only it kind of depends
[1:12:50] Speaker 1: on how you do the verse counting. So, but there's there's.
[1:12:52] Speaker 8: A person that could fulfill that six hundred and fourteen
[1:12:55] Speaker 8: laws as Jesus Christ.
[1:12:56] Speaker 1: Well, you'd be wrong, because Zachary and Elizabeth did.
[1:13:00] Speaker 8: They did it.
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: They did.
[1:13:01] Speaker 1: The Gospel told you they didn't.
[1:13:03] Speaker 8: All right, do me a favorite. Since you're like you
[1:13:05] Speaker 8: like pulling up scripture. I love that the gospel.
[1:13:09] Speaker 1: So is Luke lying, No, he's not. But okay either,
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: No one claimed that they were sinless. They're righteous according
[1:13:19] Speaker 1: to all of the all of the commandments of the law.
[1:13:21] Speaker 1: Being righteous doesn't mean that you're sinless.
[1:13:27] Speaker 8: No, okay, So you're saying that they did commit sin.
[1:13:30] Speaker 8: What means they still needed to They did sacrifices, right,
[1:13:34] Speaker 8: they did all that.
[1:13:35] Speaker 1: Yes, you finally got yees. So being righteous according to
[1:13:38] Speaker 1: the law means that when you do sin, you do
[1:13:41] Speaker 1: the appropriate measure for your sins. So you repent of
[1:13:44] Speaker 1: your sins, and you turn away from your sins, not unlike,
[1:13:48] Speaker 1: not unlike, not unlike, not unlike what the New Testament
[1:13:53] Speaker 1: tells you to do to repent from your sins. Now,
[1:13:55] Speaker 1: I don't believe that Jesus is sinless. You believe that
[1:13:58] Speaker 1: Jesus is sinless.
[1:14:00] Speaker 8: You believe he committed well Number one.
[1:14:01] Speaker 1: He committed a property crime when he killed all the pigs.
[1:14:04] Speaker 1: Number two, he broke the Ten Commandments when he stole
[1:14:07] Speaker 1: the donkey. Number three. If you believe John eight is
[1:14:11] Speaker 1: original to the text, which I don't, then he also
[1:14:14] Speaker 1: abrogated the law of Moses to stone the woman called
[1:14:18] Speaker 1: an adultery, which was required by the law.
[1:14:21] Speaker 8: He also someone who never existed, sin.
[1:14:23] Speaker 1: He also broke Deuteronomy thirteen because he was a liar
[1:14:27] Speaker 1: and a blasphemer.
[1:14:29] Speaker 8: You don't want to answer that question. How does somebody
[1:14:31] Speaker 8: who never existed, according to you sin?
[1:14:33] Speaker 1: I never said he didn't exist. He did, No, I didn't.
[1:14:36] Speaker 8: We're arguing with a gentleman before that the writings of
[1:14:38] Speaker 8: Ponchous Pilot were fake and Jesus wasn't real.
[1:14:41] Speaker 1: I literally didn't say that. I said the writings of
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: Punches Pilot doesn't validate the mythology written about the person
[1:14:47] Speaker 1: that existed.
[1:14:49] Speaker 8: You were literally making an argument that Jesus didn't exist.
[1:14:52] Speaker 1: So you know, I literally didn't make that argument. And
[1:14:55] Speaker 1: I've I've said about four thousand times on my live
[1:14:58] Speaker 1: stream that I'm not a mythsist. I do believe Jesus
[1:15:01] Speaker 1: was a real person in the same way I believe
[1:15:03] Speaker 1: Mohammad was a real person, but I don't believe the
[1:15:06] Speaker 1: mythology of either people.
[1:15:08] Speaker 8: Jesus is out of the grave, though, mind you, he
[1:15:10] Speaker 8: ain't there.
[1:15:11] Speaker 1: Show me him, Show me where he's at, Show me
[1:15:14] Speaker 1: his body. Jesus, where can I find.
[1:15:16] Speaker 8: Him in heaven in the highest of heavens?
[1:15:19] Speaker 1: Because he can you? Can you show it? Can you
[1:15:22] Speaker 1: show him to me?
[1:15:23] Speaker 8: Yeah, he lives within my heart.
[1:15:25] Speaker 1: He lives with in your heart. Vishnu lives in my heart.
[1:15:29] Speaker 2: Guess what they said?
[1:15:31] Speaker 8: So says that if you're a good person, you can
[1:15:34] Speaker 8: earn your way to heaven. But Jesus says, none of you.
[1:15:38] Speaker 1: Doesn't say that at all.
[1:15:40] Speaker 8: Which one of your gods died for you?
[1:15:43] Speaker 1: I mean in the history, in the history of the gods,
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: there's a couple of them that were willing to sacrifice
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: their lives for mankind. I don't think any of the
[1:15:51] Speaker 1: stories are directly the same as Jesus. But also, Jesus
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: didn't have to die for you because he's the one
[1:15:56] Speaker 1: that actually set the price. Like if the wages of
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: the sin is death. He literally could have just changed
[1:16:01] Speaker 1: the wages. He didn't have to kill himself to satisfy
[1:16:04] Speaker 1: his own wrathful lust for blood.
[1:16:07] Speaker 8: He did because through one sacrifice, we were all perfected.
[1:16:12] Speaker 3: Wrong.
[1:16:14] Speaker 8: Nope, that's right.
[1:16:15] Speaker 1: That's no, that's wrong.
[1:16:16] Speaker 8: That's fine. Hey, you can discribe the Nine Scripture all
[1:16:19] Speaker 8: you want, But if you want to do me a favor,
[1:16:20] Speaker 8: why do Why.
[1:16:22] Speaker 1: Do humans need saving in the first place?
[1:16:25] Speaker 8: Because we fell in the garden where there was a
[1:16:28] Speaker 8: war even before humans from we were we were originally
[1:16:35] Speaker 8: put here to replace the fallen angels that left God's side.
[1:16:39] Speaker 1: Well that's not in the Bible. But my question is
[1:16:42] Speaker 1: what are we being saved from.
[1:16:48] Speaker 8: The spirits and principalities and powers of wickedness and heavenly places.
[1:16:51] Speaker 3: Oh?
[1:16:51] Speaker 1: Couldn't God just get rid of them?
[1:16:55] Speaker 8: He created them?
[1:16:56] Speaker 1: Could he just kill them?
[1:16:59] Speaker 8: Could he kill them?
[1:17:00] Speaker 9: Yeah?
[1:17:02] Speaker 8: Yeah, he could?
[1:17:02] Speaker 1: So, God saving us from the ship that he created
[1:17:05] Speaker 1: sounds like a ridiculous claim, would God?
[1:17:09] Speaker 8: I mean, is God going to save a dog from
[1:17:12] Speaker 8: a human killing it?
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: I think you're kind of missing the point, right, So, like,
[1:17:16] Speaker 1: if if we'll stick with your dog, we'll stick with
[1:17:19] Speaker 1: your bad dog. Analogies so like, if a dog right
[1:17:22] Speaker 1: is uh is playing. If a dog is playing near
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: the road right and I jump in in front of
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: the car that's about to hit the dog because you
[1:17:31] Speaker 1: know the car is driving recklessly. Right, if I jump
[1:17:34] Speaker 1: in front of the car to save the dog, you
[1:17:36] Speaker 1: say that shit, that's really awesome of you to do that.
[1:17:39] Speaker 1: But if it turns out that I paid someone to
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: drive the car off the road at the dog, well,
[1:17:44] Speaker 1: I'm no longer a hero because I'm the guy causing
[1:17:46] Speaker 1: the situation to happen. So God saving us from himself
[1:17:50] Speaker 1: doesn't make him the hero.
[1:17:54] Speaker 8: God always wins, Bros. That's my guy.
[1:17:56] Speaker 1: Dude, you literally have no idea, Like, you're so concussed,
[1:17:59] Speaker 1: you have no idea how to address this single thing
[1:18:01] Speaker 1: I say, because all you're doing is waiting for me
[1:18:04] Speaker 1: to talk so you can move on to your next quote.
[1:18:06] Speaker 8: It's hilarious or you're getting fried in your own live man,
[1:18:10] Speaker 8: and your whole live knows it.
[1:18:11] Speaker 1: But Bud, he Jesus, you're getting absolutely barbecued. You're You're
[1:18:17] Speaker 1: like a frog getting boiled in a pot of water,
[1:18:19] Speaker 1: doesn't even know he's boiled yet. It's crazy that you
[1:18:21] Speaker 1: think you're crazy that you think you're cooking right now.
[1:18:26] Speaker 1: So the question is, why does God need to save
[1:18:28] Speaker 1: us from himself?
[1:18:30] Speaker 8: He's savings you just said, he's saving us from the
[1:18:33] Speaker 8: spirits and principalities that he created.
[1:18:36] Speaker 1: Why did he just kill the spirits and principalities?
[1:18:39] Speaker 8: Because he loves his creation, So.
[1:18:41] Speaker 1: He loves the evil entities that are doing horrific stuff.
[1:18:45] Speaker 8: He loves you, don't you?
[1:18:46] Speaker 1: You do evil? Answer the question? Does he love the
[1:18:49] Speaker 1: evil stuff he created?
[1:18:52] Speaker 2: Alex?
[1:18:52] Speaker 17: Does?
[1:18:53] Speaker 1: Does he love the evil stuff he created? He loves,
[1:18:56] Speaker 1: He loves people regardless of that. Does he love the
[1:18:59] Speaker 1: evil spirits he created?
[1:19:00] Speaker 8: He doesn't love evil, but he loves.
[1:19:02] Speaker 1: But does he love the evil spirits?
[1:19:07] Speaker 8: Does he love them?
[1:19:08] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[1:19:10] Speaker 8: I think his love turns the hate when all of
[1:19:12] Speaker 8: the all they do is turn their back.
[1:19:14] Speaker 1: It's a yes or no? Does he love the evil spirits?
[1:19:16] Speaker 8: It's not a yes or no, it's a yes or no.
[1:19:18] Speaker 8: You don't like it. I don't have any answer the
[1:19:20] Speaker 8: way you say, sir.
[1:19:21] Speaker 1: What's a yes or no question? It only requires a
[1:19:23] Speaker 1: yes or no?
[1:19:26] Speaker 8: How to answer that?
[1:19:27] Speaker 2: Well?
[1:19:27] Speaker 1: I can because you're on my live stream right so that.
[1:19:33] Speaker 3: It doesn't It.
[1:19:34] Speaker 1: Doesn't prove your point at all. So the question is
[1:19:37] Speaker 1: does God love the evil spirits? Because in your worldview,
[1:19:40] Speaker 1: he created the evil spirits and he's the one saving
[1:19:43] Speaker 1: us from the evil spirits. So I'm trying to figure
[1:19:45] Speaker 1: out why he doesn't just deal with the evil spirits
[1:19:48] Speaker 1: rather than sacrifice himself to himself.
[1:19:50] Speaker 8: That's a great question, and I think that's a question
[1:19:52] Speaker 8: that you should ask him when you see him.
[1:19:54] Speaker 1: Okay, so you don't, so you don't have an answer
[1:19:57] Speaker 1: for Okay, I'm going to give you what So you're
[1:20:01] Speaker 1: so you're so dizzy it can cussed that you finally
[1:20:04] Speaker 1: heard a question for the first time and you're like,
[1:20:06] Speaker 1: oh shit, that's actually a really good question. I have
[1:20:08] Speaker 1: no answer for it. And that's why your worldview has
[1:20:10] Speaker 1: no explanatory power.
[1:20:12] Speaker 8: Dude. You just go motormouthed and then think you're winning.
[1:20:15] Speaker 8: You're losing so bad, but.
[1:20:17] Speaker 1: You're getting completely roasted alive. And when I clipped this,
[1:20:20] Speaker 1: there's gonna be like ten or fifteen thousand people literally
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: laughing at you, the same way they're laughing at you
[1:20:25] Speaker 1: right now.
[1:20:26] Speaker 8: I love all of those people laughing at me, bro
[1:20:28] Speaker 8: I love them. That's fine.
[1:20:29] Speaker 1: I'm sure you do. So why doesn't God just kill
[1:20:31] Speaker 1: the evil entities and leave the good ones?
[1:20:34] Speaker 8: Dude, I'm not God. I can't answer that question.
[1:20:37] Speaker 1: Okay, So again, your worldview has no explanations for these problems.
[1:20:41] Speaker 1: Why does your God create a world with hurricanes, volcanoes
[1:20:44] Speaker 1: and earthquakes?
[1:20:46] Speaker 8: That's because the world we live in is He cursed
[1:20:50] Speaker 8: the ground?
[1:20:51] Speaker 1: Why?
[1:20:53] Speaker 8: Because we fell from his great like we fell from him.
[1:20:57] Speaker 1: Yeah, but why did he curse the ground? Why did
[1:21:00] Speaker 1: he create earthquakes and volcanoes?
[1:21:03] Speaker 8: Because man had pride which the enemy had instilled into them.
[1:21:07] Speaker 8: So pride was the original sin in heaven before man
[1:21:11] Speaker 8: first took a bite to the apple. True or false?
[1:21:14] Speaker 1: Well, that's not really in the Bible. But the question
[1:21:16] Speaker 1: is why did he make earthquakes and volcanoes and other
[1:21:18] Speaker 1: natural disasters, Because, as it turns out, he wasn't required
[1:21:23] Speaker 1: to do that, like after Adam and Eve sinned, He
[1:21:25] Speaker 1: wasn't required to curse the earth, was he?
[1:21:29] Speaker 8: I believe God's knocking at the door of your heart because.
[1:21:31] Speaker 3: He can't answer.
[1:21:32] Speaker 1: He can't answer the questions. Every every time he actually
[1:21:35] Speaker 1: listens to the question, he knows he's got no actual
[1:21:37] Speaker 1: answer for it. Okay, we'll try this again, Alex, So answer.
[1:21:41] Speaker 1: I know you can't answer the questions because you're here.
[1:21:46] Speaker 8: I have the answers that God had.
[1:21:48] Speaker 1: You can't answer the questions because you know that they're
[1:21:50] Speaker 1: actual good questions that debunk your position.
[1:21:52] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:21:53] Speaker 1: It shows that your God is actually an evil, maniacal deity.
[1:21:57] Speaker 7: Right.
[1:21:58] Speaker 1: So the fact that he created earth quake and volcanoes
[1:22:01] Speaker 1: and natural disasters as a result of Adam and Eve sin,
[1:22:04] Speaker 1: that's unexplainable in your worldview, not in mine. In my worldview,
[1:22:09] Speaker 1: the chaos of the earth is because there is no God. Right,
[1:22:12] Speaker 1: We're just evolved entities. In your worldview. You have to
[1:22:16] Speaker 1: come up with an explanation for this or your worldview
[1:22:19] Speaker 1: falls short. It no longer has the explanatory power that
[1:22:23] Speaker 1: you think it does. That's why you can't answer the question.
[1:22:28] Speaker 8: What's hilarious is you just said evil. You just said
[1:22:30] Speaker 8: at the beginning of the call, you don't believe in evil.
[1:22:33] Speaker 1: I told you that that evil is a subjective word
[1:22:35] Speaker 1: that we make up to describe the bad stuff.
[1:22:39] Speaker 8: So that's what that's what you do too, Then that's.
[1:22:41] Speaker 1: What that's how I use it. Yes, the word evil,
[1:22:43] Speaker 1: the word bad, the word good. These are subjective words
[1:22:47] Speaker 1: that we use in the English language to describe things.
[1:22:52] Speaker 8: You have a very interesting, uh interesting mind there, my friend.
[1:22:57] Speaker 8: But I'm gonna keep praying for you.
[1:22:58] Speaker 1: I love you.
[1:22:58] Speaker 8: I don't got no a taco one of these days.
[1:23:01] Speaker 1: Okay, no one cares. You can pray all you want.
[1:23:05] Speaker 1: Not going to save anybody, all right, Newsy, thank you
[1:23:07] Speaker 1: so much for the superchet news. He says, my comp
[1:23:10] Speaker 1: was corrupted by a demon. It was defiled. Wait, your
[1:23:13] Speaker 1: comp your computer, your computer was corrupted by a demon.
[1:23:20] Speaker 1: It was to listen, let me tell you something, Newsy.
[1:23:24] Speaker 1: Don't go to those xxx websites still ruin your computer.
[1:23:28] Speaker 1: Don't do it on your phone, don't do it in your computer.
[1:23:31] Speaker 1: There's nothing, there's nothing for you there. Anyways, those videos
[1:23:34] Speaker 1: aren't that exciting. Go out and meet people in real
[1:23:37] Speaker 1: life and have some good time with real people. Mind
[1:23:41] Speaker 1: forge manicals, thank you for the Supertet says aliens ought
[1:23:44] Speaker 1: to lack original sin that know, Jesus needed. This is
[1:23:46] Speaker 1: actually really interesting because if there are aliens and they
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: exist on other planets, then theoretically that they they're not
[1:23:52] Speaker 1: incorporated in the Fall of Adam and Eve. That's a
[1:23:55] Speaker 1: really good thought, which means Jesus didn't die for the aliens.
[1:24:01] Speaker 1: Heley died for us dirty humans. Cody, thank you for
[1:24:04] Speaker 1: the five dollars. Supertestist. I'm an atheist, but my grandma
[1:24:07] Speaker 1: asked me, there have been people who have fought to
[1:24:12] Speaker 1: keep the books safe for two thousand years. Why if
[1:24:14] Speaker 1: the book is just a story. Well, the same reason
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: why people fight to keep the Kuran safe, the same
[1:24:19] Speaker 1: reason why people fight for the Vedas, because once it
[1:24:22] Speaker 1: becomes sacred, people are going to fight for it. Anything
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: sacred people will sacrifice for. Give you an example. I
[1:24:29] Speaker 1: had a friend who was a pastor, his name was
[1:24:31] Speaker 1: Mike at a church, and when you're part of a church,
[1:24:36] Speaker 1: like everything becomes sacred, even the positioning of like the
[1:24:39] Speaker 1: candles or the altar. Well, he realized at one point
[1:24:42] Speaker 1: that the altar in the church was in a really
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: shitty location. He's like, this thing's going to move, and
[1:24:46] Speaker 1: so he asked maintenance if he could move the altar
[1:24:49] Speaker 1: and they're like, don't do that. The last pastor tried
[1:24:51] Speaker 1: to do that, moved it, and people like walk out
[1:24:53] Speaker 1: of the church over it. So dude literally had to
[1:24:58] Speaker 1: like every other week move the the altar like one inch,
[1:25:02] Speaker 1: until like after months and many months, he was able
[1:25:06] Speaker 1: to get the altar into a better position, and nobody
[1:25:08] Speaker 1: noticed because they happen so solely. But people get so
[1:25:11] Speaker 1: bent out of shape over things that they deem sacred,
[1:25:14] Speaker 1: even stupid shit like the positioning of an altar. Newsy says,
[1:25:18] Speaker 1: what would the deacon say to me, someone who has
[1:25:22] Speaker 1: never raised Christian praised the doug well big w for
[1:25:24] Speaker 1: not getting mixed in this wicked sauce ps? What did
[1:25:29] Speaker 1: ancient modern Jews think? Where we deem from? So this
[1:25:35] Speaker 1: is actually a really good question, Newsy, because this is
[1:25:37] Speaker 1: why Jews don't proselytize. Listen, the Jews that are firm
[1:25:43] Speaker 1: believers would love for you to believe what they believe.
[1:25:45] Speaker 1: But they have no reason to proselytize because they don't
[1:25:48] Speaker 1: believe that you're going to hell for not believing in
[1:25:50] Speaker 1: their God. That's not part of the Jewish belief system.
[1:25:52] Speaker 1: It's not in the Old Testament, it's not in the
[1:25:54] Speaker 1: Jewish writings, and the Jewish writings. You literally on to
[1:25:57] Speaker 1: go a hell for a temporary time period if you're
[1:26:00] Speaker 1: truly wicked, and you have to pay for your sins
[1:26:02] Speaker 1: like you get judged for your deeds, your behavior. Hell
[1:26:06] Speaker 1: is not simply where people go because they believe in
[1:26:08] Speaker 1: the wrong God. That's foolish. So that's why you don't
[1:26:11] Speaker 1: see Jews proselytizing atheists and other people. Angel V says,
[1:26:16] Speaker 1: if the aliens are unarmed, then clearly we must expropriate
[1:26:21] Speaker 1: their planet and spread the gospel. Matthew twenty eight nineteen,
[1:26:25] Speaker 1: You're not wrong, right, because if if in fact it
[1:26:29] Speaker 1: turns out that the Aliens are coming in peace, I mean,
[1:26:32] Speaker 1: we're going to do the same thing to the aliens
[1:26:35] Speaker 1: that we did with the natives. It's going to be
[1:26:37] Speaker 1: it's going to be bad. But I mean that is
[1:26:40] Speaker 1: the that is baked into the gospel mandate of Matthew
[1:26:45] Speaker 1: twenty eight design Thank you so much for the Vidro supertest,
[1:26:49] Speaker 1: says I'm not sure how discovering alien life with no
[1:26:51] Speaker 1: Jesus would change things when discovering moral indigneous without their
[1:27:00] Speaker 1: God did squat. Yeah, I mean I agree. Listen, there
[1:27:04] Speaker 1: are a certain number of people who are gonna believe
[1:27:06] Speaker 1: in mythology no matter what, no matter what science says,
[1:27:10] Speaker 1: no matter what discovery says, shit. They'll probably be like, well,
[1:27:13] Speaker 1: they don't really exist. Science is lying to you. It's
[1:27:15] Speaker 1: a cover up. It's a sye op. Kenneth, thank you
[1:27:19] Speaker 1: for the super dead. Friend says dig deep for Doug.
[1:27:21] Speaker 1: For Doug does what other deities don't exist? Praise Doug.
[1:27:26] Speaker 1: And those of you who have been with me for
[1:27:28] Speaker 1: a while know that Doug is rule. You've seen Doug
[1:27:31] Speaker 1: literally on the screen. You've seen me produce Doug before
[1:27:35] Speaker 1: your very eyes. So there's no question as to whether
[1:27:38] Speaker 1: or not Doug actually exists. We know that Doug exists.
[1:27:42] Speaker 1: Sorry one second, my phone was ringing on me. Also,
[1:27:47] Speaker 1: Brian says, I've binged all your videos, love them. Praise
[1:27:51] Speaker 1: Doug well, Brian Evan, thank you so much for binging
[1:27:53] Speaker 1: the videos. I super appreciate that. And Corkscrew says, couldn't
[1:27:56] Speaker 1: God have stepped in to free the first slave? That
[1:28:00] Speaker 1: not endorsement? I don't know what is. So this is
[1:28:02] Speaker 1: such a good point because in the Bible, gods all
[1:28:04] Speaker 1: the time getting involved in people's affairs all the time.
[1:28:07] Speaker 1: So like when we get to this point where Christians
[1:28:10] Speaker 1: are like, oh, well God can't get involved and violate
[1:28:12] Speaker 1: people's free will, Why the fuck not like he's telling
[1:28:14] Speaker 1: people to literally execute people for different reasons. Is that
[1:28:19] Speaker 1: not a violation of your free will to get executed
[1:28:21] Speaker 1: for committing on crime? The God of the Bible does
[1:28:24] Speaker 1: not care about your free will, He doesn't. A tutor,
[1:28:27] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the ten hour super chat,
[1:28:30] Speaker 1: says Saul goes to Damascus instead of wiping out the
[1:28:34] Speaker 1: James gang in Jerusalem first, could have broke Christianity in
[1:28:38] Speaker 1: the crib. What is Ax really trying to say about that?
[1:28:42] Speaker 1: That's such a good question, tutor, because you're right, if
[1:28:44] Speaker 1: in fact Paul Acts twenty two is true, where Paul
[1:28:47] Speaker 1: literally got papers from the Sanhedron go out and round
[1:28:49] Speaker 1: up the Christians. Why wouldn't he take, like Marshall, a
[1:28:52] Speaker 1: whole group of people down into Jerusalem and take the disciples,
[1:28:58] Speaker 1: like the main Church, the whole shebang. Why is he
[1:29:01] Speaker 1: running around to fucking Damascus to round up the Christians
[1:29:05] Speaker 1: like Damascus is way away from the epicenter of the
[1:29:09] Speaker 1: theoretical church. I think it's because it's a fictitious story
[1:29:12] Speaker 1: told at a time when the Church was already spread
[1:29:15] Speaker 1: among the gentiles and not the Jews. And pat says
[1:29:21] Speaker 1: boy it's slow death watching apologetics defense. It really is.
[1:29:26] Speaker 1: They're just slowly strangling as the last gasp of air
[1:29:30] Speaker 1: leaves their lungs. You'll see when you die. Adele, friend,
[1:29:36] Speaker 1: good to see you. Thank you for being here, Thank
[1:29:38] Speaker 1: you for the supertest, says I had the Monday blues
[1:29:41] Speaker 1: being back in the office. I get it post vacation,
[1:29:44] Speaker 1: but Doug saw my pain and gifted me this live dog. Adele.
[1:29:48] Speaker 1: I'm here for you, friend, I'm here for the audience.
[1:29:50] Speaker 1: And people ask me why don't I spend so much
[1:29:52] Speaker 1: time reading superchats Because I love the audience. Guys, if
[1:29:56] Speaker 1: you send me a superchat, like, I'm compelled to read
[1:29:59] Speaker 1: it a at some point during the live stream because like,
[1:30:01] Speaker 1: you've now spent your hard earned money supporting my stream,
[1:30:04] Speaker 1: and I support you. I'm nothing without the audience. So
[1:30:07] Speaker 1: thank you for being here, Dell, thank you for supporting.
[1:30:10] Speaker 1: And Beethoven is good, says I'm rocking out for Doug
[1:30:13] Speaker 1: and unicorns don't forget thank you for the sixes to
[1:30:15] Speaker 1: six and guys, don't forget about the life granting unicorn.
[1:30:19] Speaker 1: Unicorns demand respect. The life granting unicorn demands respect, and
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: night men says Christians, evil is real, morals are objective
[1:30:27] Speaker 1: atheists like slavery Christians. Yes, unless God does it, then
[1:30:31] Speaker 1: it's good. If you've learned nothing from these live streams,
[1:30:36] Speaker 1: it's that words have no meaning to a believer. Words
[1:30:39] Speaker 1: have absolutely zero meaning. They mean nothing. They're elastic, they
[1:30:45] Speaker 1: mean what you need them to mean. And Edgeme says,
[1:30:48] Speaker 1: what a treat breakfast barbecue stuck in hospital after procedure,
[1:30:52] Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that says with my fundy mother
[1:30:55] Speaker 1: praying at my bedside. Oh well, at least someone's there
[1:30:58] Speaker 1: with you. But the prayer is so necessary. I had
[1:31:00] Speaker 1: to break the news her Today going to be a
[1:31:02] Speaker 1: long ride home. It is hard when your family first
[1:31:05] Speaker 1: finds out, like there's a lot of stuff happening with that.
[1:31:09] Speaker 1: But best of luck to you, Ed and we're here
[1:31:12] Speaker 1: rooting for you. If you need support, join our discord.
[1:31:15] Speaker 1: We'd love to see you there. And Basketball says going
[1:31:17] Speaker 1: on about kidnapping, but waffles on slavery. Isn't that crazy
[1:31:22] Speaker 1: that you could say these things are horrific? But then
[1:31:24] Speaker 1: you get to slavery and you're like, well, well maybe
[1:31:26] Speaker 1: slavery's okay, you know, And Namir says Alex, definitely lying.
[1:31:31] Speaker 1: He knew exactly what the deal is with the slavery problem.
[1:31:34] Speaker 1: I know that's all they can do is lie, deflect, pivot,
[1:31:37] Speaker 1: cry and repeat. That's all they have. Emir, thank you
[1:31:40] Speaker 1: for the super chat. Friend and design coming in again.
[1:31:42] Speaker 1: Thank you so much, says How do they go on
[1:31:44] Speaker 1: describing their god without recognizing the kid from the Twilight Zone?
[1:31:48] Speaker 11: Wait?
[1:31:49] Speaker 1: Listen, it's been literally forever since I've watched the Twilight Zone.
[1:31:52] Speaker 1: Now I don't fully remember, I don't fully recognize the reference.
[1:31:55] Speaker 1: I might need some help there when you refer to
[1:31:57] Speaker 1: the kid from the Twilight Zone. Give me secon to
[1:32:00] Speaker 1: think on that. And while we do. Midlife Crisis says
[1:32:05] Speaker 1: helping with pronunciation b e guy with b r oh oh,
[1:32:11] Speaker 1: brie e or Brie. It's Brie. I apologize, I keep
[1:32:14] Speaker 1: reading it wrong. It's Brie. Thank you, Midlife. I appreciate that.
[1:32:17] Speaker 1: And listen, I'm gonna get it right eventually. I appreciate
[1:32:19] Speaker 1: your patience. I really do. And Baz says a poem.
[1:32:23] Speaker 1: I love a good poem. When Jesus returns, twill be sweet.
[1:32:27] Speaker 1: He'll appear to us folks in the street. We might
[1:32:30] Speaker 1: think that he auto once again walk on water, but
[1:32:33] Speaker 1: he can't because there's holes in his feet, right hard
[1:32:35] Speaker 1: for Doug, that is that's an amazing jem. I appreciate that,
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: and isn't that the truth? Like, listen, if you're gonna
[1:32:42] Speaker 1: walk on water, there's some serious physics questions. One of
[1:32:44] Speaker 1: them has to be what are we doing with the
[1:32:46] Speaker 1: water that's now popping up? Doing a fountain through his feet?
[1:32:50] Speaker 1: You know? Culory dot coming again? Thank you so much,
[1:32:53] Speaker 1: says mid life Crisis man. If you get him to
[1:32:55] Speaker 1: say Brie correctly, you should get him with what no
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: nardis next? So every South African will correct him eternally.
[1:33:07] Speaker 1: Oh god, well, I'm gonna say Nartis. That's the best
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: I got. I apologize. This is gonna be horrific. You
[1:33:12] Speaker 1: see what you guys are doing to me. This is
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[1:33:36] Speaker 1: ship ton of super chats, but I gotta keep on
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[1:33:48] Speaker 1: you doing, shackle peace, Yeah, there you go. I can
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[1:34:00] Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
[1:34:01] Speaker 2: Ye?
[1:34:01] Speaker 1: I can hear it up.
[1:34:05] Speaker 15: What's up?
[1:34:05] Speaker 8: What's up with it?
[1:34:06] Speaker 2: First off, I'm not a believer.
[1:34:08] Speaker 13: I'm an anti kid, and I just wanted to show
[1:34:11] Speaker 13: you some support and let you know that I said
[1:34:14] Speaker 13: with you on the claim that God are in that acumen.
[1:34:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, thank you. I appreciate that.
[1:34:22] Speaker 13: For about three years now, and as far as I've
[1:34:26] Speaker 13: been able to trade back, I've been able to go
[1:34:29] Speaker 13: back to that used to care.
[1:34:31] Speaker 2: And they're all come from humans.
[1:34:34] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's all they're coming from right here. That's it.
[1:34:37] Speaker 9: All the gods.
[1:34:38] Speaker 13: Oh, I want to say, And I appreciate the way
[1:34:41] Speaker 13: you be head of it. Yeah, I appreciate the way
[1:34:45] Speaker 13: you be head of the excusages.
[1:34:48] Speaker 1: A lot of excuses.
[1:34:51] Speaker 13: Seem like they don't have any critical things again, for
[1:34:56] Speaker 13: the ability to what the ability to actually break down
[1:35:04] Speaker 13: the questions and see the complexity and uh in of
[1:35:11] Speaker 13: the of the situation that they're putting themselves the right
[1:35:16] Speaker 13: when they're defending the thinking ideas.
[1:35:20] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, they really haven't thought about it, you know,
[1:35:22] Speaker 1: and my goal is to make them think about it.
[1:35:25] Speaker 13: I've been Morpheus is the one who recommended your channel,
[1:35:28] Speaker 13: and I've just been seen them.
[1:35:30] Speaker 1: Back watching Morpheus is great. Tell me how big job.
[1:35:33] Speaker 9: Appreciate it.
[1:35:34] Speaker 2: Keep up the great work.
[1:35:36] Speaker 1: And thanks so much. Friend. It's good to hear from you.
[1:35:37] Speaker 1: I cheers, buddy.
[1:35:41] Speaker 18: It seems impossible they don't want to.
[1:35:44] Speaker 1: See it's true. It's true, a big w on being
[1:35:50] Speaker 1: on the what I would refer to as the right
[1:35:54] Speaker 1: side of reality. Now we've got Prima coming in next.
[1:35:58] Speaker 1: Prima has been waiting for for a minute on the
[1:36:01] Speaker 1: YouTube cue. So we'll get Prima into our discussion.
[1:36:04] Speaker 3: I do in Prima, helly, good morning, afternoon. And then
[1:36:09] Speaker 3: if you can hear me.
[1:36:10] Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I can hear you. Okay, everyone else hear him? Okay,
[1:36:12] Speaker 1: I think we can all hear him.
[1:36:14] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just that I can't hear myself, but I
[1:36:16] Speaker 4: can hear you, So that's fine, no problem.
[1:36:18] Speaker 1: Prima. Are you at least eighteen and are you a believer?
[1:36:23] Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I'm much older than eighteen and I'm
[1:36:26] Speaker 4: a believer.
[1:36:27] Speaker 1: Cool. And I assume you believe in the Christian God.
[1:36:32] Speaker 4: Yes, I do believe in Jehovah. I just came up
[1:36:36] Speaker 4: because I heard a couple of statements that you made,
[1:36:39] Speaker 4: and I've watched a couple of ashreams you for But
[1:36:42] Speaker 4: that I just ask one favor, at least just before
[1:36:45] Speaker 4: we proceed. Is that okay? Yeah? I heard the conversation
[1:36:49] Speaker 4: about the slavery. It wasn't It's not my topic that
[1:36:52] Speaker 4: I wanted to deal with, but I can probably do
[1:36:55] Speaker 4: like ten minutes on it, or five minutes if you allowed.
[1:36:57] Speaker 4: But there is a particular statement that you made about
[1:37:02] Speaker 4: where you challenge the authenticity of the scriptures.
[1:37:08] Speaker 3: Is that okay? I can deal with that.
[1:37:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't ugually with whatever you want to. I mean,
[1:37:12] Speaker 1: you're being nice typically as long as people aren't being obnoxious,
[1:37:17] Speaker 1: I don't mind if you steal the conversation a little bit.
[1:37:21] Speaker 4: Okay, cool, all right, So I'll do the first time,
[1:37:22] Speaker 4: and it's just we can we can deal with the
[1:37:24] Speaker 4: slavery part. You would you agree, because I've heard some
[1:37:28] Speaker 4: of these statements before about the slavery part. Would you
[1:37:31] Speaker 4: agree or do you have a in terms of a
[1:37:35] Speaker 4: definition and understanding in terms of are you saying it's
[1:37:40] Speaker 4: the same slavery like what we would have in the
[1:37:43] Speaker 4: Atlantic or the sub Saharan slavery or in the Egyptian
[1:37:45] Speaker 4: slavery in terms of when you read in the scriptures
[1:37:49] Speaker 4: that is the the same type of scenariokase scenario in
[1:37:54] Speaker 4: terms of slavery that God was talking about in Levitica
[1:37:57] Speaker 4: chapter twenty five.
[1:37:58] Speaker 1: That's almost never my although I do agree that that
[1:38:01] Speaker 1: is roughly comparable like what was happening in the Transatlantic
[1:38:05] Speaker 1: slave trade, I don't find to be all that different
[1:38:08] Speaker 1: than what was happening in the Bible. And I understand
[1:38:12] Speaker 1: that what was happening in the Transatlantic slave trade was
[1:38:16] Speaker 1: a little more race based rather than then we would
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: say like insider versus outsider, you know, geographically based.
[1:38:27] Speaker 4: But it was more like a conquer and you know
[1:38:31] Speaker 4: in slave.
[1:38:33] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, but that's what the Bible says too. The
[1:38:35] Speaker 1: Bible allows you to conquer and take slaves as well.
[1:38:39] Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So so in terms of it, you say,
[1:38:42] Speaker 4: would you agree that there basically we can understand that
[1:38:45] Speaker 4: two different forms, one being one where you are conquered
[1:38:48] Speaker 4: and enslaved, you know, forcefully, and one where you can
[1:38:52] Speaker 4: have indentireship. Is that a proper understanding that you can
[1:38:56] Speaker 4: agree on?
[1:38:56] Speaker 1: No, I don't believe at all. I think there's about
[1:38:58] Speaker 1: ten different ways you become a slave. Your parent could
[1:39:01] Speaker 1: sell you as a slave. You can become poor and
[1:39:05] Speaker 1: end up as an indentured servant. You could become so
[1:39:07] Speaker 1: poor that you end up as a permanent slave. You
[1:39:10] Speaker 1: can be made a slave for breaking various laws in
[1:39:14] Speaker 1: the ancient world. You can also be made a slave
[1:39:19] Speaker 1: for simply losing a war, Like you can go to war,
[1:39:22] Speaker 1: lose a war, and become a slave.
[1:39:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, essentially.
[1:39:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, so you can also be sold as a slave
[1:39:28] Speaker 1: as an alternative to to being what's the word I'm
[1:39:34] Speaker 1: looking for, uh, to being sold as a prostitute. Like, So,
[1:39:38] Speaker 1: if you become a widow, or you become so impoverished
[1:39:42] Speaker 1: because of a divorce, typically you have one or two choices.
[1:39:46] Speaker 1: You either end up becoming somebody's slave wife like a concubine,
[1:39:51] Speaker 1: or you just straight up become a prostitute.
[1:39:54] Speaker 4: Okay, all right, cool, I'll take one of our definitions. Yeah,
[1:39:59] Speaker 4: your whole too. I got no problem with that. My
[1:40:02] Speaker 4: simple basis was just trying to understand different, different from
[1:40:05] Speaker 4: the nuance understanding of when someone says slavery as it
[1:40:08] Speaker 4: relates to also Bible, and maybe a little bit further back.
[1:40:12] Speaker 4: I'm from the Caribbean. You can hear it from my dialect.
[1:40:15] Speaker 4: So on my island, I'm from Shrinidad. We am I'm
[1:40:19] Speaker 4: descendants of what people would call Afro. Uh that's pro slavery.
[1:40:25] Speaker 4: But also on my island, they are a person of
[1:40:28] Speaker 4: Indian descent who came by indentureship, meaning that they weren't sold,
[1:40:34] Speaker 4: they weren't conquered, but they came willingly.
[1:40:36] Speaker 3: Uh.
[1:40:36] Speaker 4: They were paid, actually promised a particular sum of money
[1:40:40] Speaker 4: and also property. And that's showing in terms of service.
[1:40:45] Speaker 4: I'm not saying that was slavery, and I'm showing in
[1:40:47] Speaker 4: terms of work. Now here's my point. Right, in the scriptures,
[1:40:51] Speaker 4: we know that the the the Israelites were on the
[1:40:57] Speaker 4: they were conquered and in slave that's correct, right, we
[1:40:59] Speaker 4: can agree on that.
[1:41:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean there were periods when they were conquered
[1:41:03] Speaker 1: by both the Babylonians and the Assyrians and prior you know,
[1:41:07] Speaker 1: the Egyptians.
[1:41:08] Speaker 4: No, let's see with the Egyptians, right, because that's where
[1:41:10] Speaker 4: the Leviticus text comes in. I think he quoted it
[1:41:13] Speaker 4: earlier on right Livitica chapter twenty five.
[1:41:15] Speaker 1: It says, yeah, Leviticus happens at Mount Sinai after.
[1:41:18] Speaker 3: They leave, right.
[1:41:20] Speaker 4: So so basically you said that, okay, So essentially they
[1:41:24] Speaker 4: just got freed. And the first thing that and I've
[1:41:27] Speaker 4: heard you said it before, the first thing that God
[1:41:29] Speaker 4: does his create rules.
[1:41:31] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:41:31] Speaker 4: Now, here's the thing, right, there were these rules that
[1:41:34] Speaker 4: were supposed to be implemented. So one was if they
[1:41:37] Speaker 4: bought a servant that was slowed, that was sold, which
[1:41:42] Speaker 4: was a Hebrew because he was poor essentially right yeah,
[1:41:46] Speaker 4: Exus twenty one, Okay, cool, Right, so he if he
[1:41:49] Speaker 4: was poor, but he was supposed to be his death
[1:41:52] Speaker 4: was supposed to be canceled after the year of the jubilee.
[1:41:57] Speaker 1: Well after six years or the jubilee. There's some confusion.
[1:42:00] Speaker 4: Which one yeah, which if one comes from.
[1:42:02] Speaker 1: So typically like indentured servitude, would be for owing a debt,
[1:42:08] Speaker 1: and the year of jubilee would be that if you're
[1:42:11] Speaker 1: so poor that not only did you owe a debt,
[1:42:14] Speaker 1: but you had to give up your entire property.
[1:42:17] Speaker 3: Right.
[1:42:17] Speaker 4: Essentially, it was because he was poor, right, Yeah, and
[1:42:20] Speaker 4: that was the main factor. So but his death essentially
[1:42:23] Speaker 4: would have been canceled. Now, the next section comes from
[1:42:26] Speaker 4: verse forty four to forty six, which says, which are
[1:42:30] Speaker 4: the non Hebrews. He says, Okay, you can buy of
[1:42:32] Speaker 4: them from the nations.
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: Well, it says you can acquire them, which most likely
[1:42:38] Speaker 1: was through purchase, but there's a number of ways you
[1:42:41] Speaker 1: could acquire a slave. It's pretty clear from Deuteronomy chapter
[1:42:46] Speaker 1: twenty and twenty one that you could also capture them
[1:42:48] Speaker 1: in war.
[1:42:49] Speaker 4: Right, So that's that's one particular aspect of it. But
[1:42:55] Speaker 4: essentially we go for that long but no problem. So
[1:42:59] Speaker 4: let's just say that the text says that the law,
[1:43:02] Speaker 4: as you were hopping on before, said that this was
[1:43:06] Speaker 4: the rule that you can buy of the nations. I
[1:43:08] Speaker 4: was correct, and that they can also transfer. Now, essentially,
[1:43:14] Speaker 4: my point would be, is it God telling them that
[1:43:16] Speaker 4: they are buying a person or what they're buying a service.
[1:43:19] Speaker 1: Well, you're buying a piece of property according to Liveredigas
[1:43:23] Speaker 1: twenty five.
[1:43:24] Speaker 4: Right, But essentially, if I agree with you and say, okay,
[1:43:28] Speaker 4: let me just go down the rabbit hole with you. Okay,
[1:43:29] Speaker 4: you're buying a property. So a person becomes the property
[1:43:32] Speaker 4: of the Hebrews.
[1:43:33] Speaker 3: Right, what they are.
[1:43:35] Speaker 4: Criteria in which those persons were supposed to be treated,
[1:43:38] Speaker 4: meaning that it was not as such as how they
[1:43:40] Speaker 4: were in Egypt or what we would know as today
[1:43:43] Speaker 4: as the Atlantic or sub Saharan Slavery wasn't not such
[1:43:47] Speaker 4: like that?
[1:43:47] Speaker 3: Right? Would you agree or disagree?
[1:43:49] Speaker 1: Well, at the time the laws were given, there were
[1:43:51] Speaker 1: not any extensive laws as to how to treat your
[1:43:54] Speaker 1: slaves other than you can't beat them so severely that
[1:43:57] Speaker 1: they die immediately from the beating. In fact, they die
[1:44:01] Speaker 1: a couple of days later, say three days later. Then
[1:44:05] Speaker 1: there's no really direct punishment because it's assumed that it
[1:44:08] Speaker 1: was an accident. So if you're allowed to like theoretically
[1:44:11] Speaker 1: accidentally execute a slave, it seems like you could beat
[1:44:15] Speaker 1: them pretty badly. And also in the same chapter levitic
[1:44:18] Speaker 1: As twenty five, he specifically says, don't treat your brethren harshly.
[1:44:23] Speaker 1: But of the foreigners, you can treat them like slaves,
[1:44:26] Speaker 1: just don't treat your brethren harshly.
[1:44:28] Speaker 4: I guess you're adding that a little more sauce into
[1:44:30] Speaker 4: the pot. But no problem, I'll take what you say.
[1:44:32] Speaker 4: Now here's the logic behind it. Would you say that
[1:44:38] Speaker 4: the persons whom you said that they were property? I
[1:44:43] Speaker 4: have two questions that would fall up. Is it that
[1:44:45] Speaker 4: they Is it that one they were they in terms
[1:44:52] Speaker 4: of being property that they themselves did not have stats yet?
[1:44:57] Speaker 4: And security?
[1:44:58] Speaker 1: You mean status?
[1:44:59] Speaker 3: Yes to sunse security?
[1:45:01] Speaker 1: Oh, we don't really know, right, So for example, you
[1:45:03] Speaker 1: can just sell children as slaves obviously don't have any
[1:45:06] Speaker 1: status or security. And I think for me, all like
[1:45:10] Speaker 1: of the forms of slavery selling a child into slavery,
[1:45:15] Speaker 1: or perhaps having a child born to a slave entering
[1:45:18] Speaker 1: slavery that way, or the most horrific forms of slavery
[1:45:21] Speaker 1: because the child has no choice in it.
[1:45:23] Speaker 4: Okay, So I take your point. So let's say if
[1:45:27] Speaker 4: I read if when I read Genesis chapter twenty four,
[1:45:30] Speaker 4: it says that Abraham had a serve.
[1:45:32] Speaker 3: On ruling over or that he had elias are yet correct?
[1:45:36] Speaker 3: So was he a slave? Also he was.
[1:45:38] Speaker 1: But in the ancient world.
[1:45:40] Speaker 3: So all on, hold on, I go ahead.
[1:45:44] Speaker 1: So in the ancient world, you have to understand that
[1:45:47] Speaker 1: when you were childless, you needed an air right. So
[1:45:51] Speaker 1: typically what they would do is they would adopt somebody.
[1:45:55] Speaker 1: So if you look at the adoption papers from the
[1:45:57] Speaker 1: ancient Near East, almost fifty percent of them are actually
[1:46:01] Speaker 1: adoptions to adult men. Because if you didn't have an
[1:46:06] Speaker 1: heir for your home, you needed somebody to take it on.
[1:46:11] Speaker 1: So what you would do is you would have to
[1:46:13] Speaker 1: adopt an adult man. They would become your servant, they
[1:46:16] Speaker 1: would work the farm, they would do all the property stuff,
[1:46:19] Speaker 1: and then when you died, they would take it over
[1:46:21] Speaker 1: for you. But built into the adoption agreement is that
[1:46:25] Speaker 1: you're going to take out, you're going to work for me,
[1:46:27] Speaker 1: and then you're going to take over. And that seems
[1:46:30] Speaker 1: to be the case with Elias R. It doesn't always
[1:46:32] Speaker 1: work out that way. There were sometimes that somebody born
[1:46:35] Speaker 1: in the household that was a slave was able to
[1:46:39] Speaker 1: take over to the property. And this is not completely
[1:46:42] Speaker 1: unheard of. But Eliazar wasn't the only slave in the household.
[1:46:47] Speaker 4: Correct, right, So here's my point, hey, all, my point
[1:46:52] Speaker 4: for quoting the text is to also shed light on
[1:46:57] Speaker 4: when you would quote one side and I'm shureing what Okay,
[1:47:00] Speaker 4: could the servant or the slave in the house also
[1:47:04] Speaker 4: have status and security meaning that okay, could he inherit
[1:47:10] Speaker 4: what his master also had.
[1:47:12] Speaker 1: If his master wants him to. But that that's completely
[1:47:14] Speaker 1: dependent on the master. There's no structure in the legal
[1:47:17] Speaker 1: system that grants them any of those rights.
[1:47:20] Speaker 3: Okay, all right, cool, So let's do this right.
[1:47:23] Speaker 4: If if it is that, and I'm just being more
[1:47:29] Speaker 4: Hebrewic here, if that's how I'll coin that, no problem.
[1:47:33] Speaker 1: I mean it was pretty close. You can say Hebraic
[1:47:36] Speaker 1: and that's just my dialect. It's okay, I'm out about it.
[1:47:41] Speaker 4: I got to examples, So I got two examples, right,
[1:47:44] Speaker 4: and I just do one. This is just a passing by.
[1:47:47] Speaker 4: That's what reference uh Jacob served And basically it is
[1:47:51] Speaker 4: the same notion of being a sleep. He served for
[1:47:54] Speaker 4: seven years for Rachel, but he got I'm just saying
[1:47:57] Speaker 4: in terms of the concept of it, so he worked
[1:47:59] Speaker 4: for I'm not that's not my point. I just I
[1:48:03] Speaker 4: just going to the point that's stating another one. I'd
[1:48:05] Speaker 4: always give examples.
[1:48:06] Speaker 1: Well, I want you to make your point, but I
[1:48:08] Speaker 1: just want to clarify that Jacob wasn't a slave.
[1:48:11] Speaker 4: Well, what I'm saying is that he indentured. Yeah, he
[1:48:15] Speaker 4: when you said that the concept right, when you said
[1:48:18] Speaker 4: that the concept of it didn't exist, I'm showing an example.
[1:48:21] Speaker 4: That's my only point for bringing it up.
[1:48:23] Speaker 1: No, I never said the concept didn't exist. Indentured servitude
[1:48:26] Speaker 1: was very common, right.
[1:48:27] Speaker 4: No, when you were saying in some ancient fire he
[1:48:29] Speaker 4: said was not clear. I'm just clarifying that I can
[1:48:32] Speaker 4: find in scripture that there there was a system, right,
[1:48:36] Speaker 4: or some type of service that if you wanted my
[1:48:39] Speaker 4: daughter that, hey, you can serve for her.
[1:48:41] Speaker 1: I'll just know that I've never negated that.
[1:48:44] Speaker 4: That's app Okay, Right, Maybe I'm miss maybe I'm misunderstood
[1:48:47] Speaker 4: the way in which you said it.
[1:48:48] Speaker 3: No problem, all right.
[1:48:49] Speaker 4: So here's here's the other issue right now in terms
[1:48:52] Speaker 4: of and that's why I talk about security and a
[1:48:58] Speaker 4: position in the promise of that God gave to Abraham.
[1:49:05] Speaker 4: He did not only gave it to Abraham and his children,
[1:49:08] Speaker 4: but he also gave it to every man that was
[1:49:13] Speaker 4: born in his household, and that was even bought with money.
[1:49:17] Speaker 3: Yeah, but the question is that whether or not whether.
[1:49:20] Speaker 1: Or not it would own people's property.
[1:49:22] Speaker 2: No.
[1:49:23] Speaker 4: No, but here's what I'm saying. The concept by which
[1:49:26] Speaker 4: you're trying to explain it of right in terms of
[1:49:29] Speaker 4: culturally or socially. Back then we are using our new
[1:49:33] Speaker 4: ones to represent what we wanted to represent to mean.
[1:49:36] Speaker 4: And I'm saying, Okay, fine, I can hear your argument.
[1:49:40] Speaker 4: I'm saying, but when you look into the scripture of itself,
[1:49:43] Speaker 4: I'm saying, One, you can see servants, you can see indentureship.
[1:49:48] Speaker 4: You can also see even that they bought people with money,
[1:49:51] Speaker 4: just as you say they bought children. And this was
[1:49:54] Speaker 4: the promise, and it says God's promise, which is located
[1:49:58] Speaker 4: in Genesis chapter seventeen, verse eleven to thirty and verse
[1:50:01] Speaker 4: twenty three. So God told him, Hey, when you go
[1:50:05] Speaker 4: back and promises with you right and with your seed,
[1:50:09] Speaker 4: and with anyone that was born right in your house
[1:50:13] Speaker 4: or was bought with money. No, if I go back
[1:50:16] Speaker 4: to Genesis chapter fourteen, I think I can find the
[1:50:18] Speaker 4: number of them. I give people a little exercise to do,
[1:50:21] Speaker 4: and you can realize, like how many persons Abraham actually
[1:50:26] Speaker 4: had that were servants of him that went to war
[1:50:29] Speaker 4: to recap to you a lot.
[1:50:31] Speaker 1: Quite a bit, But no one cares about that. The
[1:50:33] Speaker 1: question is whether or not God is allowing for slavery?
[1:50:36] Speaker 1: Did he or did he not allow for slavery?
[1:50:38] Speaker 3: Right?
[1:50:39] Speaker 4: And I'm saying, and I'm saying that I would say
[1:50:41] Speaker 4: that the allowances they're based on the concept.
[1:50:44] Speaker 1: Okay, it does allow you to own another property as
[1:50:47] Speaker 1: another person's property.
[1:50:48] Speaker 4: I'm saying, that's your description of it. I'm saying that's
[1:50:50] Speaker 4: not what the Bible, so that gives the description of Okay.
[1:50:52] Speaker 1: So what sounds like sounds like we just need to
[1:50:55] Speaker 1: read the Bible so you can see what it says
[1:50:58] Speaker 1: as to the male and female slaves he you may have.
[1:51:00] Speaker 1: It is from the nations around you that you may
[1:51:02] Speaker 1: acquire male and female slaves. You may also acquire them
[1:51:06] Speaker 1: from among the aliens residing with you, and from their
[1:51:08] Speaker 1: families who are with you, have been born in your land.
[1:51:10] Speaker 1: They may be your property. You may keep them as
[1:51:13] Speaker 1: a possession for your children after you. When you own
[1:51:16] Speaker 1: another human being as property, that's called slavery.
[1:51:21] Speaker 3: Right. So what you read verse forty eight two, Yeah, I.
[1:51:24] Speaker 1: Read all of them, which one forty seven and forty eight,
[1:51:26] Speaker 1: because you don't need forty seven now.
[1:51:28] Speaker 4: Because in the same breath most people don't read loadung.
[1:51:31] Speaker 4: That says that, hey, the very same stranger can also
[1:51:35] Speaker 4: own the Hebrew again, right.
[1:51:37] Speaker 1: No, it doesn't say no. It doesn't say. That says
[1:51:40] Speaker 1: if resident aliens among you prosper, meaning somebody living among
[1:51:45] Speaker 1: you prospers, And if any of your kin fall into
[1:51:48] Speaker 1: difficulty with one of them and sell themselves to an
[1:51:50] Speaker 1: alien or to a branch of the alien's family. Even
[1:51:53] Speaker 1: after they have sold themselves, they shall have the right
[1:51:56] Speaker 1: of redemption. One of their brothers may reading them. So
[1:51:59] Speaker 1: all that's saying is, listen, if a Hebrew person makes
[1:52:03] Speaker 1: a deal or falls into debt with somebody who's not Hebrew,
[1:52:07] Speaker 1: you get the right to redeem that person anytime you want.
[1:52:10] Speaker 1: They cannot be lifetime slaves of a foreigner, but the
[1:52:15] Speaker 1: foreigners you can make lifetime slaves of the foreigners.
[1:52:19] Speaker 3: It doesn't say that doesn't. It doesn't say lifetime. It doesn't.
[1:52:24] Speaker 1: It says forever.
[1:52:25] Speaker 3: Okay, let's leave it.
[1:52:27] Speaker 1: No, it says my translation my translation actually cut it out,
[1:52:32] Speaker 1: but it says they may be your property. And the
[1:52:34] Speaker 1: Hebrew says they may be your property leolam forever, right.
[1:52:38] Speaker 4: But forever has a connotation of forever being as a
[1:52:41] Speaker 4: time appointed for a family if the family dies later on.
[1:52:45] Speaker 4: I'm just saying the person goes free. I'm just being no,
[1:52:47] Speaker 4: doesn't doesn't wait forever.
[1:52:50] Speaker 1: It's an indefinite time period. It doesn't mean until the
[1:52:53] Speaker 1: guy wants to leave. That's why it says. It says
[1:52:56] Speaker 1: you could pass them down to your children as inherited property, right.
[1:53:01] Speaker 4: And I'm just saying that in the aspect of time.
[1:53:05] Speaker 4: I understand what the text is saying. But as I said,
[1:53:09] Speaker 4: all of this boylongs the context and interpretation.
[1:53:12] Speaker 3: I know the right. So you know what I'm talking
[1:53:15] Speaker 3: about you.
[1:53:16] Speaker 1: I know that you're wrong.
[1:53:18] Speaker 4: Well, I mean that's that's objective. I mean, so I'm saying,
[1:53:21] Speaker 4: no problem. You can have your opinion and we can
[1:53:23] Speaker 4: agree to disagree.
[1:53:24] Speaker 1: Not my opinion is just a fact. When he says
[1:53:26] Speaker 1: that they will be your property forever and you can
[1:53:28] Speaker 1: pass them on to your children, it means that that
[1:53:31] Speaker 1: person is your property until they are dead.
[1:53:34] Speaker 3: Mm hmm. Right.
[1:53:36] Speaker 4: So so here's here's the point that I'm getting as right,
[1:53:40] Speaker 4: your interpretation is a nuance of what this particular transaction
[1:53:45] Speaker 4: is because you realize you put the spin on the
[1:53:47] Speaker 4: second part, but you went there reckon the first.
[1:53:49] Speaker 3: No, you put the spin. Come on, Okay, we can
[1:53:52] Speaker 3: agree to disagree, but.
[1:53:54] Speaker 1: You can agree to disagree. I'll agree that you're wrong
[1:53:57] Speaker 1: because it says that they will be your property, and
[1:53:59] Speaker 1: that your children, and that your children, and that your
[1:54:03] Speaker 1: children and that your children can inherit them. What happens
[1:54:08] Speaker 1: when you inherit somebody's property? Is it your property forever?
[1:54:11] Speaker 18: No?
[1:54:12] Speaker 4: No, yeah, this here's what I'm saying. I'm not disputing
[1:54:14] Speaker 4: what the text says.
[1:54:16] Speaker 1: Okay, so the text says that people will be your property.
[1:54:19] Speaker 1: They'll be your property of your children, even you can
[1:54:22] Speaker 1: pass them on, which means that person that is your
[1:54:25] Speaker 1: property is going to be your property until they die.
[1:54:27] Speaker 1: Right right? Okay? So what so what do we call
[1:54:32] Speaker 1: it when you own another human being as property until
[1:54:34] Speaker 1: they're dead? No, this is Try this again. What's the
[1:54:39] Speaker 1: word for owning another human being as property until they're dead?
[1:54:45] Speaker 1: I'll try this again. What do we call it? What's
[1:54:47] Speaker 1: the word for owning another human being as property until
[1:54:51] Speaker 1: they're dead? What's the word?
[1:54:53] Speaker 3: You give it to me?
[1:54:55] Speaker 9: You know you know what it is?
[1:54:56] Speaker 1: Be honest, what's the word.
[1:54:58] Speaker 3: I don't know what you're trying to find? What do
[1:54:59] Speaker 3: you mean?
[1:54:59] Speaker 1: You don't know what word it is. You don't know
[1:55:01] Speaker 1: the word for owning another human being as property until
[1:55:05] Speaker 1: they're dead. You don't know what that word is.
[1:55:07] Speaker 3: What I'm saying is that that's you.
[1:55:09] Speaker 1: These Christians cannot be honest. They get up here and
[1:55:13] Speaker 1: they lie, and they gas, lie and and they cry
[1:55:18] Speaker 1: over basic definitions. Okay, okay, so I give you, so
[1:55:24] Speaker 1: they give me a word, give me if it's not slavery?
[1:55:26] Speaker 13: What is it?
[1:55:26] Speaker 1: What's the word when you own another person for life? What?
[1:55:29] Speaker 3: What do you call it? What's the definition?
[1:55:32] Speaker 9: For you?
[1:55:34] Speaker 3: You think?
[1:55:34] Speaker 2: You think?
[1:55:35] Speaker 3: You think?
[1:55:36] Speaker 1: You think long and prima primach is shut up for
[1:55:39] Speaker 1: five seconds, think long and hard about your answer, because
[1:55:43] Speaker 1: I'm gonna take a tinkle while you're thinking about it.
[1:55:45] Speaker 1: And when I get done, I want a word to
[1:55:49] Speaker 1: describe when you own another human being as property for life.
[1:55:52] Speaker 1: Okay mm hmm.
[1:55:54] Speaker 4: Right, So here's what I'm saying. You can you can
[1:55:57] Speaker 4: rightly own someone's service for life, and if you want
[1:56:02] Speaker 4: to call it slavery, I can say, Okay, fine, that's
[1:56:05] Speaker 4: a word. But that's a nuanced interpretation of it, because
[1:56:08] Speaker 4: based on this particular transaction, that's not the interpretation of it.
[1:56:13] Speaker 4: That's my point socially and culturally, that's my point, right
[1:56:17] Speaker 4: that you're being disingenious with the interpretation. You're using a
[1:56:21] Speaker 4: nuanced interpretation of today with it. I don't know when
[1:56:34] Speaker 4: I'll give you a chance to respond because it's your
[1:56:38] Speaker 4: and I'll be respectful, but you got to be respectful
[1:56:40] Speaker 4: when I got to make my point as well.
[1:56:45] Speaker 3: H m h.
[1:57:14] Speaker 7: M hm.
[1:57:16] Speaker 4: Oh man, he left, got scared. I'll wait until he returns.
[1:57:49] Speaker 11: All right back?
[1:57:50] Speaker 3: So, okay, so I answered your question. So I answered
[1:57:53] Speaker 3: your question. No answer, min, I actually didn't hear I
[1:57:56] Speaker 3: actually I didn't hear the answer.
[1:57:57] Speaker 1: I'm asking for the word.
[1:58:00] Speaker 3: Okay, cool, I'll say the word. I got no problem
[1:58:01] Speaker 3: with that.
[1:58:02] Speaker 1: Okay, what's the word for owning another human being as
[1:58:04] Speaker 1: property forever?
[1:58:06] Speaker 3: Let me let me say it, and then when I'm finished.
[1:58:08] Speaker 1: With you, keep in mind, is it's one word?
[1:58:11] Speaker 4: Come on, would you allow me to answer it? And
[1:58:14] Speaker 4: then allow me to ask a question?
[1:58:15] Speaker 3: We got to deal.
[1:58:16] Speaker 1: Listen, you can, you can ask anything you want to,
[1:58:18] Speaker 1: but you have to answer the question, what do you
[1:58:20] Speaker 1: call it when you own another human being?
[1:58:22] Speaker 13: Forever?
[1:58:23] Speaker 3: You asked me like twenty times already, and I'm every.
[1:58:25] Speaker 1: Time crazy that you couldn't give me the answer.
[1:58:27] Speaker 3: Let me answer.
[1:58:28] Speaker 1: It's one word question. It's one word. Say it?
[1:58:31] Speaker 3: Okay, you listen your manifesting, or let me answer the question.
[1:58:34] Speaker 1: Say it? What's the word?
[1:58:36] Speaker 3: But let me answer the question.
[1:58:38] Speaker 1: I'm asking you to say it. Stop with the with
[1:58:41] Speaker 1: the meta commentary and the trying and say the word.
[1:58:43] Speaker 3: Well, okay, shut up, let me answer that.
[1:58:46] Speaker 1: I'm waiting for it.
[1:58:47] Speaker 6: What is it?
[1:58:48] Speaker 1: My brother, I'm hearing lots of words but not an
[1:58:51] Speaker 1: answer yet.
[1:58:53] Speaker 3: Okay, could you shut up? Just give me, give me
[1:58:56] Speaker 3: a minute.
[1:58:57] Speaker 1: You need a minute to say one word?
[1:58:59] Speaker 3: No, listen figuratively, I need one word. Allow me listen.
[1:59:03] Speaker 3: Would you allow me to answer? Just give me.
[1:59:06] Speaker 1: You're talking right, Prima, you're talking right now. You need
[1:59:10] Speaker 1: one second for the answer.
[1:59:12] Speaker 3: Let me answer it.
[1:59:13] Speaker 1: You need one word?
[1:59:15] Speaker 3: Okay, I will say it. I got no problem.
[1:59:17] Speaker 1: You're talking right now.
[1:59:19] Speaker 3: Well shut up, because something.
[1:59:22] Speaker 1: You prima prima, when you start talking, the thing to
[1:59:25] Speaker 1: do is to provide the answer, not cry. Okay, good okay, good,
[1:59:29] Speaker 1: So what's the answer.
[1:59:30] Speaker 3: Twenty seconds?
[1:59:31] Speaker 1: You don't need twenty seconds, you need two seconds. I need,
[1:59:36] Speaker 1: I need one word. What is the word to use
[1:59:43] Speaker 1: to describe owning another human being in property? What's the
[1:59:46] Speaker 1: what's the one word?
[1:59:47] Speaker 2: Let me know?
[1:59:48] Speaker 3: When you stop manifesting, go ahead, but you're the.
[1:59:50] Speaker 1: One manifesting right now. We need, we need, we need
[1:59:53] Speaker 1: one word say it waiting?
[2:00:04] Speaker 3: Okay, cool, you stop manifesting.
[2:00:07] Speaker 1: We're waiting for the word.
[2:00:08] Speaker 15: What is it?
[2:00:10] Speaker 3: So, according to the scripture, you can't say it. It's
[2:00:13] Speaker 3: one word, prima.
[2:00:16] Speaker 1: Prima. I'm not letting you finish. I'm asking for one word.
[2:00:20] Speaker 1: You're you're the one here crying on a live stream
[2:00:24] Speaker 1: because you say you can't say one word or be honest.
[2:00:27] Speaker 1: I'm asking listen, I'm asking for one word to come
[2:00:32] Speaker 1: out of your mouth. I need, I need one word.
[2:00:37] Speaker 1: I need one word, and one word only to come
[2:00:41] Speaker 1: out of your mouth. The word I'm waiting to come
[2:00:43] Speaker 1: out of your mouth is the word that describes owning
[2:00:49] Speaker 1: another human being as property. What's the word?
[2:00:52] Speaker 4: Kind of I answered you already, kind of slave, owner,
[2:00:54] Speaker 4: master's property.
[2:00:55] Speaker 1: You didn't answer my question. I'm still waiting for it
[2:01:01] Speaker 1: just so you know, I just you know. I have
[2:01:02] Speaker 1: an ear piece in my ear and you didn't answer
[2:01:04] Speaker 1: my question. I was listening to everything you said. It's
[2:01:10] Speaker 1: in my ear. Right now, we all heard you not
[2:01:12] Speaker 1: answer the question, so you are So I'll give you
[2:01:17] Speaker 1: one more shot. Okay, everyone here knows the answer. It's
[2:01:20] Speaker 1: crazy that you can't just say the answer. Okay, so
[2:01:23] Speaker 1: it's really easy.
[2:01:24] Speaker 3: Right.
[2:01:26] Speaker 1: In one word, what is the one word that we
[2:01:31] Speaker 1: use that is in the dictionary that would describe owning
[2:01:35] Speaker 1: another human being as property for life? What's that word?
[2:01:39] Speaker 3: Right?
[2:01:39] Speaker 1: So based on this transaction, Okay, so you can't answer
[2:01:42] Speaker 1: you okay, all right, listen, you can't be honest, and
[2:01:45] Speaker 1: you you can't actually do real dialogue. So I'm going
[2:01:48] Speaker 1: to move on to the next guest and read some
[2:01:49] Speaker 1: super chats. Come back when you grow up, Prima. It's
[2:01:54] Speaker 1: crazy that they crash out and then accuse me of
[2:01:58] Speaker 1: manifesting the projections wild with these people, Midlife says at
[2:02:05] Speaker 1: Cutlery Duck might start easy with easy with bor wars. Listen,
[2:02:13] Speaker 1: I'm not cut out for these this foreign language. I
[2:02:16] Speaker 1: don't know how any of these words are pronounced, but
[2:02:19] Speaker 1: I I appreciate the super chat, Friend, and Festering, thank
[2:02:24] Speaker 1: you so much for the four ninety nine says a
[2:02:26] Speaker 1: biblical definition of a righteous person in Proverbs twenty four
[2:02:29] Speaker 1: to sixteen, righteous people can break the law. I agree. Yeah.
[2:02:32] Speaker 1: In fact, David himself is described as a righteous person,
[2:02:37] Speaker 1: and he describes himself as a righteous person, and we
[2:02:40] Speaker 1: know for a fact that David did, in fact break laws.
[2:02:44] Speaker 1: So yeah, part of being a righteous person doesn't mean
[2:02:47] Speaker 1: that you've never broken a law. It just means that
[2:02:49] Speaker 1: that when you do break those laws, you do what
[2:02:52] Speaker 1: is prescribed by the law of Moses, and you repent
[2:02:55] Speaker 1: of those sins. But yeah, I agree with you whole
[2:03:00] Speaker 1: heartedly there. And Culory Duck thank you for the fourteen
[2:03:03] Speaker 1: zar super thanks. I appreciate that. And Marcus coming in again,
[2:03:10] Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Friend says God is my guy
[2:03:12] Speaker 1: is unironically one of the better arguments I've heard for
[2:03:15] Speaker 1: his existence. The sad thing is you're right. That's the
[2:03:22] Speaker 1: sad thing about this whole nonsense is like the arguments
[2:03:24] Speaker 1: for God are so bad. Just saying well, God's my
[2:03:27] Speaker 1: dude is a better argument than what most people are providing. Bertram,
[2:03:32] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the space cat on TikTok.
[2:03:36] Speaker 1: I really appreciate that. Good to see your friend, Oh
[2:03:39] Speaker 1: my goodness. And Culory says, is this hell? Why put
[2:03:43] Speaker 1: demons to torment us here? So that was the point
[2:03:46] Speaker 1: I was making with the last caller. Is this whole
[2:03:48] Speaker 1: nonsense of God creating these wicked powers and demons? He's
[2:03:52] Speaker 1: only saving us from himself. He's the problem. And he
[2:03:55] Speaker 1: says Culory again, if Catholics eat Jesus are the cannibals.
[2:03:59] Speaker 1: So this is actually a really good point because that's
[2:04:07] Speaker 1: what John chapter six is basically used as a proof
[2:04:11] Speaker 1: text for. This is cannibalism, right, because the people in
[2:04:16] Speaker 1: John six, when Jesus says, unless you eat my body
[2:04:19] Speaker 1: and drink my flesh, right in John six, they accuse
[2:04:23] Speaker 1: him of endorsing cannibalism. In the early Christians were accused
[2:04:28] Speaker 1: of cannibalism. And so if you take John six seriously,
[2:04:33] Speaker 1: you have to believe that cannibalism is the way. And
[2:04:37] Speaker 1: that's why so many non Catholics are averse to this
[2:04:42] Speaker 1: holy eucharistic transubstantiation situation is because they're like, I can't
[2:04:47] Speaker 1: get down with cannibalism. I think color it comes In
[2:04:50] Speaker 1: again said if Jesus resurrected, is he a zombie? By definition?
[2:04:54] Speaker 1: He is absolutely a zombie. I agree with you, He's
[2:04:56] Speaker 1: just a Skycark as a cloud zombie. And Austin, I
[2:04:59] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the five hours, says I'm
[2:05:00] Speaker 1: addicted to your videos justin keep up the great work,
[2:05:03] Speaker 1: and Doug bless you well. Austin, thank you so much
[2:05:05] Speaker 1: for watching the videos. And I'm behind on my clips.
[2:05:08] Speaker 1: I haven't been clipping as steadily and fast as I
[2:05:13] Speaker 1: hope so, but I'm working on it. Work is always
[2:05:17] Speaker 1: getting in my way of doing fun stuff, you know.
[2:05:19] Speaker 1: Baz again, thank you for the supertest, says Vivaldi, chromium
[2:05:23] Speaker 1: based browser for Windows. I've actually used Vivaldi before. I
[2:05:26] Speaker 1: don't hate it. The fact that it's chromium based is
[2:05:29] Speaker 1: the problem. But he says, thousands hundreds of tabs open
[2:05:32] Speaker 1: near zero CPUs supports Chrome web Store extensions. Can personally
[2:05:36] Speaker 1: recommend rock Hard for Doug. So I'm actually using something
[2:05:39] Speaker 1: similar to Vivaldi. I'm using Opera. Opera is another Chrome
[2:05:43] Speaker 1: based browser for Windows, and to the point it doesn't
[2:05:47] Speaker 1: use almost any processor. Processor is not actually my problem.
[2:05:51] Speaker 1: My problem is the overhead on my memory. It keeps
[2:05:56] Speaker 1: running out of memory, which is crazy because I've got
[2:05:59] Speaker 1: like one hundred twenty eight gigabytes of memory on this computer,
[2:06:01] Speaker 1: so it's not actually running out of memory, it's running
[2:06:04] Speaker 1: out of some sort of artificial memory cap within Windows,
[2:06:07] Speaker 1: and then I have to restart the browser. It's a
[2:06:09] Speaker 1: crazy situation. But Baz, we're gonna get it. I'm gonna eventually,
[2:06:13] Speaker 1: I'm just gonna write my own software to to pull
[2:06:15] Speaker 1: in all the super chats, and I use my own
[2:06:17] Speaker 1: software to do it without using these web browsers. And
[2:06:21] Speaker 1: Hammond thank you for the super chest and says got
[2:06:22] Speaker 1: to bring back idle worship. Christians already worship idols no
[2:06:25] Speaker 1: matter how they cope, Cross, Saints, Bible, et cetera. So
[2:06:29] Speaker 1: this is actually the truth of the matter. In fact,
[2:06:31] Speaker 1: a lot of Catholics have been accused of idle worship
[2:06:33] Speaker 1: because of all the crucifixes. You know, But isn't it
[2:06:36] Speaker 1: crazy that the guy that got hung up on a crucifix,
[2:06:40] Speaker 1: like his most embarrassing moment, half naked up there on
[2:06:42] Speaker 1: a cross, and they're like, yeah, we're just gonna immortalize
[2:06:45] Speaker 1: this forever and make this our worship. Symbol. Andrea, thank
[2:06:51] Speaker 1: you so much for the one nine ninety is it Rubles,
[2:06:56] Speaker 1: thank you so much. I appreciate that, says in Brazil, Oh,
[2:06:58] Speaker 1: it must be Brazilian money. Okay, in Brazil we were
[2:07:01] Speaker 1: indoctrinated by the Catholics for five hundred years. Actually that
[2:07:04] Speaker 1: is the case. But the priests let us send freely
[2:07:07] Speaker 1: according to or freely during Carnival. But the Protestants will
[2:07:11] Speaker 1: soon be the majority will remain poor and lose the
[2:07:14] Speaker 1: fun to buy carnival. Ugh, it's kind of a shame.
[2:07:18] Speaker 1: If you get the right Protestants, though, then you might
[2:07:22] Speaker 1: be able to get some rum springer, you know, get
[2:07:25] Speaker 1: although the rumspringer is a little bit overblown and even
[2:07:29] Speaker 1: slightly fictitious. It's not always practiced, and it's not always
[2:07:32] Speaker 1: practiced in the same way, but at least you get
[2:07:34] Speaker 1: a couple of years of freedom there somewhere. Thank you
[2:07:36] Speaker 1: for the super chat. Also, Larry Beck in the house,
[2:07:39] Speaker 1: thank you so much, Larry Beck for sending out five
[2:07:41] Speaker 1: DZ memberships Big Big w super appreciate that. And stage
[2:07:46] Speaker 1: Stargate Master Sorry, thank you for the super chest, says,
[2:07:49] Speaker 1: does our membership from the other channel transfer to this
[2:07:51] Speaker 1: channel too. I'm cracking elite of the other channel, but
[2:07:54] Speaker 1: it doesn't look to apply here, so unfortunately I can't.
[2:07:57] Speaker 1: There's no way to share memberships between the two different channels.
[2:08:00] Speaker 1: So if I could, I would, but unfortunately I can't.
[2:08:05] Speaker 1: When I get to enough members on the second channel
[2:08:08] Speaker 1: on DZ Debates, I'll have more emojis loaded up. They
[2:08:12] Speaker 1: allow you only a certain number of emojis based on
[2:08:15] Speaker 1: the certain on the number of members, So I've loaded
[2:08:18] Speaker 1: up as many as I could with this number of members.
[2:08:20] Speaker 1: As more members sign up, I'll add more emojis on
[2:08:23] Speaker 1: that channel. And but you do have access to the
[2:08:25] Speaker 1: cheat sheet over there as well. Actually a couple people
[2:08:29] Speaker 1: are subscribed to both channels. You don't need to do that.
[2:08:32] Speaker 1: But unfortunately, yeah, I can't transfer memberships between the two.
[2:08:36] Speaker 1: I might be able to work maybe with Patreon. I
[2:08:39] Speaker 1: don't know. We'll see. But design says subtext of the
[2:08:42] Speaker 1: religious not even God could get us off get us
[2:08:46] Speaker 1: off slavery. Also me Anthony, it's a good life. The
[2:08:50] Speaker 1: Twilight Zone season three, oh, season three episode eight, Okay,
[2:08:54] Speaker 1: so me Anthony is the name of the episode. I
[2:08:56] Speaker 1: have to give it a watch. I used to watch
[2:08:58] Speaker 1: the original version of toilet Zone back in the nineties.
[2:09:03] Speaker 1: I think they redid it and I haven't seen any
[2:09:05] Speaker 1: of the remakes. Larry Beck, thank you for the six
[2:09:08] Speaker 1: sixty six. Hail Nero says, Christians defending slavery jeebus curiosity.
[2:09:15] Speaker 1: It's it's hard for me to watch African American Christians
[2:09:21] Speaker 1: defend slavery in the Bible. It's physically painful. I'll never
[2:09:27] Speaker 1: understand it. But justin thank you for the ten hour.
[2:09:30] Speaker 1: Super chest says, prime example of twisting the Bible to
[2:09:32] Speaker 1: fit your view pretty much it that's what they're doing, right.
[2:09:36] Speaker 1: The verses we don't like as long as we can
[2:09:38] Speaker 1: change the words so they mean something other than what
[2:09:41] Speaker 1: we want them to mean.
[2:09:42] Speaker 8: You know that.
[2:09:43] Speaker 1: But you have to do that stuff to stay in
[2:09:44] Speaker 1: the faith. There's no way around it. Dora, thank you
[2:09:47] Speaker 1: so much for the six dollars. Superjest says, if nature
[2:09:53] Speaker 1: is calling, don't keep calling. You should common sense. If
[2:09:56] Speaker 1: you got to go, just let it flow, but don't
[2:10:00] Speaker 1: wiz against the electric fence. Well, thank you so much
[2:10:02] Speaker 1: for the poem. That's phenomenal. I really appreciate that, and
[2:10:07] Speaker 1: it's just good advice. No doubt about that, and Bill says,
[2:10:11] Speaker 1: to be fair, he did say I can say the
[2:10:13] Speaker 1: word slavery. The problem is he just couldn't answer the question.
[2:10:17] Speaker 1: He could say the word slavery, he just wouldn't say
[2:10:20] Speaker 1: the word slavery, which is the embarrassing part. And Gary,
[2:10:24] Speaker 1: thank you for the ten dour super thanks. You're the
[2:10:26] Speaker 1: number one fan we listen. Thank you for being the
[2:10:29] Speaker 1: number one fan. And also a trape Gold says DCMG
[2:10:34] Speaker 1: in the chat said Prima Donna, and it's killing me.
[2:10:38] Speaker 1: I don't know who DCMG in the chat is, but
[2:10:40] Speaker 1: thank you for saying it. And that's actually a really
[2:10:44] Speaker 1: good riff on that guy's name, calling him Prima Donna.
[2:10:47] Speaker 1: I love it. That's very good. We love good wordplay,
[2:10:51] Speaker 1: some good jokes up in here. And Larry agrees. Larry
[2:10:54] Speaker 1: says the Prima thing was so tasty. I a million
[2:10:59] Speaker 1: percent agree. And Cryptic was obviously here for the last
[2:11:05] Speaker 1: live stream. And I'll do it for you. When I
[2:11:08] Speaker 1: write the software, I will call it the Moist software.
[2:11:10] Speaker 1: It'll be the Moist super Chat display software. Something like that.
[2:11:14] Speaker 1: Will make it work. We'll make that work. And Emir
[2:11:19] Speaker 1: says the neighbors also had slaves. Yeah, actually that is
[2:11:23] Speaker 1: the point. Lots of slave reynew Old Testament can't seem
[2:11:27] Speaker 1: to figure it out. Erzman says, justin, I'm only on
[2:11:30] Speaker 1: my second sermon. Listen, if we know anything about these
[2:11:36] Speaker 1: people coming up here, that they're gonna preach sermons they
[2:11:38] Speaker 1: have they have to and beboop says DZ. Hit them
[2:11:44] Speaker 1: with the not a job or did all? I think
[2:11:47] Speaker 1: we are almost got there? He didn't. He didn't want
[2:11:49] Speaker 1: to get there. But we we did almost get there.
[2:11:52] Speaker 1: We really did. We got a bunch of super chats
[2:11:56] Speaker 1: come in in. I'm as usual, guys. I'm sorry if
[2:11:58] Speaker 1: I'm getting backed up on this super chats. I love
[2:12:01] Speaker 1: and believe in all of my supporters, so you guys
[2:12:04] Speaker 1: know that I'm reading all the superchats, says Papa says.
[2:12:08] Speaker 1: I love how scripture cripples these know it alls. That's
[2:12:11] Speaker 1: the whole point. Like, if I do anything, I will
[2:12:14] Speaker 1: stick to the book. I'm going to read the book.
[2:12:16] Speaker 1: I'm going to beat you over the head with it.
[2:12:18] Speaker 1: And uh Emer says admic or atomic h There's actually
[2:12:22] Speaker 1: a couple apologists that have tried to say that atomic
[2:12:26] Speaker 1: theory and the atom from the Bible are correlated somehow
[2:12:29] Speaker 1: crazy crazy and Bearded says, jesus sins should be a
[2:12:34] Speaker 1: tab in the cheat sheet. Actually, I don't know why
[2:12:36] Speaker 1: I haven't done that yet. I guess I feel because
[2:12:39] Speaker 1: they're so obvious. But you're right, we do need a
[2:12:41] Speaker 1: chab in the cheat sheet. This lists the sins committed
[2:12:44] Speaker 1: by Jesus. This is actually a really good idea, really
[2:12:47] Speaker 1: good idea. And Beeboop says, Jesus is laying on the
[2:12:52] Speaker 1: hammock in my left ventricle. Oh shit, because he's on
[2:12:56] Speaker 1: your heart. He's laid on your heart. Yeah, that's a
[2:12:58] Speaker 1: very good point. Not a good place for cloud Zombie,
[2:13:01] Speaker 1: that's for sure. And Saint brush again with another six
[2:13:04] Speaker 1: sixty six. He'll satan the dark Lord, it says. The
[2:13:06] Speaker 1: amount of peace that surpasses all understanding, mixed with Christian
[2:13:11] Speaker 1: love has been bountiful this morning. The crash outs have
[2:13:14] Speaker 1: converted me. Isn't that crazy that they'll come in here
[2:13:18] Speaker 1: and they'll crash out like what we're witnessing and they
[2:13:22] Speaker 1: don't realize that they're embarrassing themselves and their God. At
[2:13:25] Speaker 1: the same time, CG says, they all crash out when
[2:13:29] Speaker 1: unnecessary suffering comes up. Keep up the good work of Doug.
[2:13:33] Speaker 1: I'm gonna keep doing it, guys. Doug is crust. Never
[2:13:38] Speaker 1: forget that, and people says he claims he's not prideful
[2:13:41] Speaker 1: enough to claim he knows the mind of God. Yet
[2:13:42] Speaker 1: he's prideful enough to sit there and say I'm winning.
[2:13:45] Speaker 1: I'm cooking you, bro. Listen, you can't write this stuff.
[2:13:51] Speaker 1: They these people do it with themselves. They're cooking themselves.
[2:13:54] Speaker 1: It's not even me and my conscience. Thank you so
[2:13:57] Speaker 1: much for the fide. How to protest is when somebody
[2:13:59] Speaker 1: I love falls, try my best to help them back up.
[2:14:01] Speaker 1: I would never curse them their words, their world, or
[2:14:05] Speaker 1: send them to burn for attorney. These cults are insane.
[2:14:07] Speaker 1: This is the craziest part to me. Yeah, because like
[2:14:09] Speaker 1: I have a child, right, if my child sucked up,
[2:14:11] Speaker 1: I would never curse them. I would never hurt them.
[2:14:14] Speaker 1: I would never send them to hell for attorney. It's
[2:14:16] Speaker 1: complete nonsense, complete utter nonsense and ircule. It's good to
[2:14:21] Speaker 1: see your friend. Thank you for the supertest, says Moist
[2:14:24] Speaker 1: praised Dog. Let's say it's gonna be a Moist live
[2:14:26] Speaker 1: stream tonight. I'm definitely getting this one a banned. That's
[2:14:29] Speaker 1: what's gonna happen. Mister, mister, thank you so much for
[2:14:31] Speaker 1: the five hour supertest, says, have you seen the video
[2:14:33] Speaker 1: of Cucker Tarrelson describe how he was attacked by demons
[2:14:37] Speaker 1: while sleeping? If not, you need to. I literally have
[2:14:40] Speaker 1: never even heard of that, and now I'm disappointed that
[2:14:42] Speaker 1: I haven't seen it because nothing would bring me greater
[2:14:45] Speaker 1: joy if demons were real and they were attacking Cucker
[2:14:48] Speaker 1: Tarls and that nothing would be better. I literally want
[2:14:52] Speaker 1: demons to be real, just so they would attack that guy.
[2:14:54] Speaker 1: He's the worst. And John, thank you so much for
[2:14:57] Speaker 1: the supertest, says, what precisely is the New Covenant. It's
[2:15:00] Speaker 1: a fictitious bullshit doctrine from the New Testament that plays
[2:15:04] Speaker 1: on Jeremiah chapter thirty one. It hasn't happened yet. Vincent,
[2:15:08] Speaker 1: thank you for the one hundred dollars Mexican dollars, He says,
[2:15:11] Speaker 1: I'm from Mexico. Have you heard about the Brothers of
[2:15:13] Speaker 1: the Christian schools Lasal What do you think about them? Also,
[2:15:17] Speaker 1: what do you think about the Opus stay shit? I
[2:15:19] Speaker 1: don't know either of those. I have to apologize. I
[2:15:23] Speaker 1: do like to be abreast with all things religion. But
[2:15:28] Speaker 1: I have to admit I don't know either of those references.
[2:15:31] Speaker 1: I'm super sorry about that, and they spent like a
[2:15:34] Speaker 1: ten dollars American on the super Chat. But unfortunately, I
[2:15:38] Speaker 1: guess I can't really add to either of those two things.
[2:15:40] Speaker 1: I'll have to look them up though and educate myself.
[2:15:43] Speaker 1: I appreciate you bringing them to my attention, though, because
[2:15:46] Speaker 1: I'm going to put them into my browser and look
[2:15:49] Speaker 1: it up and educate myself on these two topics here
[2:15:53] Speaker 1: today when I get the chance to. But anyways, I
[2:15:57] Speaker 1: appreciate the super Chat. Thank you for supporting And also
[2:16:01] Speaker 1: from L l K says Mark is the oldest gospel
[2:16:04] Speaker 1: and has no post resurrection appearances. What's up with that?
[2:16:07] Speaker 1: So this is something that scholars have been pointing out
[2:16:10] Speaker 1: for a long time, which is the most original gospel
[2:16:12] Speaker 1: didn't really include a resurrection and doesn't really include this
[2:16:15] Speaker 1: whole Jesus's God bit. He seems to be more like
[2:16:18] Speaker 1: an adopted son in the Gospel of Mark, which would
[2:16:22] Speaker 1: lead one to believe that this is a developing mythology.
[2:16:25] Speaker 1: It wasn't something that originally is true. It's a mythology.
[2:16:30] Speaker 1: It was the same way. Some way. The Epic of
[2:16:32] Speaker 1: Gogomesh gets new side twists to the plot every so
[2:16:37] Speaker 1: many hundred years. You know, the Epic of Gogomesh has changed.
[2:16:40] Speaker 1: The original old Babylonian version is not anywhere near the
[2:16:44] Speaker 1: Akkadian you know, Neo Syrian Empire version. And Martu, thank
[2:16:49] Speaker 1: you for the five dollars. Super thanks. I super appreciate
[2:16:52] Speaker 1: that friend, and also simply the best. TV says, Doug
[2:16:55] Speaker 1: gave me an apple once, no strings, no consequences, just
[2:17:00] Speaker 1: look it out for me. Praise Doug. He listened. Doug
[2:17:02] Speaker 1: is the best, and he'll do that for you. The
[2:17:04] Speaker 1: God of the Bible has nothing but conditions. Nothing but conditions,
[2:17:08] Speaker 1: and that's why the God of Bible stinks. He says
[2:17:10] Speaker 1: he loves you unconditionally, he doesn't. He doesn't love you
[2:17:12] Speaker 1: at all. And j when he says, if God didn't
[2:17:15] Speaker 1: want Adam any to eat from the tree, why did
[2:17:17] Speaker 1: he make the tree in the first place. Did it
[2:17:19] Speaker 1: have to exist? It did not have to exist. As
[2:17:21] Speaker 1: far as we can tell. The tree is a plot narrative.
[2:17:24] Speaker 1: The goal is to explain why the bullshit on earth
[2:17:27] Speaker 1: is the way the bullshit on Earth is and the
[2:17:29] Speaker 1: tree is a plot narrative that gets you to that point.
[2:17:33] Speaker 1: We have similar plot narratives to explain the same thing
[2:17:36] Speaker 1: in the other ancient Near Eastern mythologies. There has to
[2:17:39] Speaker 1: be something because what you don't want to do is
[2:17:41] Speaker 1: just blame it on God. Well, things are all shit
[2:17:43] Speaker 1: here because of God. Can't do that. You need to
[2:17:46] Speaker 1: blame it on somebody other than the God. And the
[2:17:48] Speaker 1: garden and the tree give you that excuse. And Adam Brown,
[2:17:52] Speaker 1: good to see a friend, thank you for the nine
[2:17:54] Speaker 1: ninety nine says you can't use reason and logic to
[2:17:56] Speaker 1: bring someone to an unreasonable conclusion they didn't reach logically.
[2:18:01] Speaker 1: Saw something like that, and it explains so much about
[2:18:03] Speaker 1: politics and religion. And that's such a good point. When
[2:18:07] Speaker 1: somebody comes to something irrationally, there's nothing you can do
[2:18:12] Speaker 1: to bring them to the rational conclusions, you know what
[2:18:15] Speaker 1: I mean? And Camps, thank you so much for the
[2:18:18] Speaker 1: twenty seven hours super test is based on the caller's logic.
[2:18:21] Speaker 1: Guess the resurrection was an interpretation. Yes, the caller was
[2:18:26] Speaker 1: intimating that every time you read the text, it's essentially
[2:18:28] Speaker 1: your interpretation. So I mean my interpretation of Mark is
[2:18:32] Speaker 1: that he didn't resurrect. So, based on the reading of
[2:18:34] Speaker 1: the text and my fallless interpretation, Jesus is still warm food.
[2:18:40] Speaker 1: And Bucky thank you for the sixty six sixty six
[2:18:43] Speaker 1: big W. Bucky w On the Dark Lord's Number says,
[2:18:49] Speaker 1: is the eleventh, twelve, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, sixteenth, and seventeenth
[2:18:52] Speaker 1: commandment thou shalt not answer the question being asked. That
[2:18:56] Speaker 1: is actually the case.
[2:18:58] Speaker 3: That is the case.
[2:19:01] Speaker 1: And Adam Anderson, thank you for the forty nine. Thank
[2:19:04] Speaker 1: you so much. I appreciate that. That's a big W,
[2:19:07] Speaker 1: he says. Been a listener for over a year now, Shit,
[2:19:09] Speaker 1: you're dedicated. So your stream makes a walking my mail
[2:19:13] Speaker 1: route go faster. There's a lot of laughing on the
[2:19:16] Speaker 1: ring doorbell cameras. The daytime screen seems to attract more
[2:19:21] Speaker 1: young evangelicals.
[2:19:22] Speaker 9: Is it just me?
[2:19:23] Speaker 1: Great Cook and Hill Doug, I actually don't know, a
[2:19:26] Speaker 1: lot of them are out for the summer, and my
[2:19:28] Speaker 1: theory is that they'll be on YouTube and TikTok, so
[2:19:31] Speaker 1: maybe I can grab them, you know what I mean?
[2:19:34] Speaker 1: On these summer streams. I'm certainly gonna do my best.
[2:19:37] Speaker 1: I'm going to be testing out some new time slots
[2:19:39] Speaker 1: this summer, so definitely let me know if it's working
[2:19:42] Speaker 1: out for everybody. But there's a lot of people here,
[2:19:45] Speaker 1: so my assumption is that it that it is working out,
[2:19:49] Speaker 1: but again that that is just an assumption. Right, let
[2:19:51] Speaker 1: me grab our next guest. We've had quite a few
[2:19:53] Speaker 1: people waiting to get in, so we're going to bring
[2:19:57] Speaker 1: them in as they came in and try to to
[2:20:00] Speaker 1: have some semblance of order. Unfortunately, you know, when we
[2:20:04] Speaker 1: go for this long sometimes, Oh, this guy's not even real.
[2:20:07] Speaker 1: He's a Mormon LARPer. All right, so I listen, Mormon LARPer,
[2:20:10] Speaker 1: we only taken real believers, not Larper's apologize for that.
[2:20:15] Speaker 1: All right, We'll get christ as King in the box.
[2:20:18] Speaker 1: Christ's King had been waiting for a while. We'll see
[2:20:21] Speaker 1: if they can connect. Unfortunately, when they're in the guest
[2:20:23] Speaker 1: box too long, sometimes they drop out while he's loaded though.
[2:20:28] Speaker 1: Pat Pat says, I can't help it. But Prima is
[2:20:31] Speaker 1: short for Prima Donna a million percent. That's really that
[2:20:35] Speaker 1: is the case, and I wholeheartedly agree, which is why
[2:20:39] Speaker 1: he was crashing out. And Johannes, thank you so much
[2:20:41] Speaker 1: for the supertest. As slavery. The answer is slavery, Jesus
[2:20:44] Speaker 1: fucking Christ. The fact that he couldn't say slavery tells
[2:20:47] Speaker 1: you all you need to know, tells you he knows
[2:20:49] Speaker 1: the Bible in doors slavery. He just couldn't say it.
[2:20:52] Speaker 1: And JBF says, dear Lord, I need a toke after that.
[2:20:58] Speaker 1: I'm with you. I I definitely need to choke. Christ
[2:21:02] Speaker 1: Is king. Can you hear me? Because I can hear
[2:21:06] Speaker 1: you clicking in the background. I think your connection might
[2:21:09] Speaker 1: just be not good. All right, I'm gonna drop you
[2:21:13] Speaker 1: down because I don't think you're able to load. Oh
[2:21:15] Speaker 1: he dropped down. Okay, something will up with that connection.
[2:21:18] Speaker 1: I don't fully know what was going on with that connection,
[2:21:21] Speaker 1: but we'll grab the next guest in church, the Church
[2:21:25] Speaker 1: of four says, what's this live at a reasonable hour.
[2:21:29] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, Church that I have so many late late
[2:21:32] Speaker 1: night live streams. It's just because I have a work schedule.
[2:21:35] Speaker 1: I have to maintain, you know what I mean. And
[2:21:38] Speaker 1: Cyber Deconstruction, my friend, great to see you. Cyber in
[2:21:41] Speaker 1: the House says it's almost as if he never read
[2:21:44] Speaker 1: a few verses up thirty nine through forty, which makes
[2:21:47] Speaker 1: the distinction between a slave and services through bound labor. Listen, Cyber,
[2:21:51] Speaker 1: You and I both know that he's not reading nothing.
[2:21:55] Speaker 1: That's just the facts of the matter. But it's great
[2:21:57] Speaker 1: to see you and guys, if you're not following Cyber
[2:22:00] Speaker 1: Deconstruction yet on YouTube, I definitely recommend doing.
[2:22:03] Speaker 8: So.
[2:22:04] Speaker 1: How you doing dort snort?
[2:22:09] Speaker 3: Yes?
[2:22:10] Speaker 1: How you doing doing well? Are you at least eighteen?
[2:22:13] Speaker 1: And are you a believer?
[2:22:15] Speaker 3: Yeah? I was born zero five thirteen, two thousand and four. Yes,
[2:22:19] Speaker 3: and I am a non classical Christian believer.
[2:22:23] Speaker 1: Okay, So I mean, do you believe in things like
[2:22:26] Speaker 1: the Trinity and the Bible being true and that kind
[2:22:29] Speaker 1: of stuff?
[2:22:30] Speaker 3: Yes?
[2:22:31] Speaker 1: Okay, cool. So what would be like the most convincing
[2:22:35] Speaker 1: evidence or argument for the Christian God being right?
[2:22:40] Speaker 3: The existence of morality?
[2:22:43] Speaker 1: Can you demonstrate the morality is objective?
[2:22:47] Speaker 3: Yeah, because everybody actually knows what's right or wrong on
[2:22:51] Speaker 3: basic levels, and all morality is just based off of
[2:22:54] Speaker 3: those basic interpretations of those principles.
[2:22:59] Speaker 1: Interesting, So, how come when the Holocaust was happening people
[2:23:02] Speaker 1: didn't know that it was wrong.
[2:23:04] Speaker 3: No, people knew that it was wrong. They just had
[2:23:06] Speaker 3: a justification in order to circumvent that wrongness. That's how
[2:23:11] Speaker 3: morality works for modern day people.
[2:23:14] Speaker 1: Right, So it's true because you're a mind reader.
[2:23:18] Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, it's okay. So let me ask
[2:23:21] Speaker 3: you a question.
[2:23:21] Speaker 1: So I just want to make sure you understand Dort
[2:23:23] Speaker 1: that your argument for morals being objective is that you
[2:23:27] Speaker 1: know what is in other people's minds.
[2:23:30] Speaker 3: No, that's not my argument. Okay, So let me ask
[2:23:32] Speaker 3: you a question. Do you think any war at any
[2:23:36] Speaker 3: time was justified?
[2:23:38] Speaker 1: I think wars of self defense are justified. So, like
[2:23:41] Speaker 1: if somebody invaded the US, I think we have the
[2:23:44] Speaker 1: right to defend ourselves. I think self defense is justified.
[2:23:50] Speaker 1: But I don't obviously, I don't think preemptive war is justified.
[2:23:55] Speaker 1: Like if we think that, oh man, maybe Russia is
[2:23:58] Speaker 1: going to do something bad, we need to invade Russia.
[2:24:00] Speaker 1: That's a terrible idea.
[2:24:02] Speaker 3: No, okay, so I agree. Actually, so I believe that
[2:24:06] Speaker 3: self defense is justified. Right, But when you break it
[2:24:08] Speaker 3: down to its very core, right, we all agree that
[2:24:13] Speaker 3: when you say it is justified. When you when you
[2:24:17] Speaker 3: agree that is justified in self defense, you admit it
[2:24:21] Speaker 3: that it would be wrong, right if it weren't in
[2:24:24] Speaker 3: self defense. So you have the objective morality murder is wrong.
[2:24:28] Speaker 3: So you but you that subject it nobody else?
[2:24:34] Speaker 1: Have you actually have you actually met any of the Mennonites.
[2:24:39] Speaker 3: No, yeah, side met them and they think that there
[2:24:41] Speaker 3: was a justification.
[2:24:42] Speaker 1: No, no, they don't justify. The Mennonites are complete passes.
[2:24:46] Speaker 1: The Mennonites and the Amish and the Brethren are absolute, complete,
[2:24:50] Speaker 1: complete pacifists. In fact, I've got a book full of
[2:24:54] Speaker 1: martyrs from the Anabaptist faith that literally, rather than defending themselves,
[2:24:59] Speaker 1: allowed themselves to be murdered.
[2:25:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, yeah, and that's true complete pacifism. But that's okay,
[2:25:05] Speaker 3: the morality that murder is wrong. So again justification.
[2:25:10] Speaker 1: So again you're suggesting that they have objective morals because
[2:25:14] Speaker 1: you can read somebody's mind. But I'm saying that I
[2:25:16] Speaker 1: believe self defense is okay. A lot of the Mennonites
[2:25:20] Speaker 1: would say, no, if somebody comes in to kill you,
[2:25:23] Speaker 1: let yourself be killed and you can go to heaven.
[2:25:26] Speaker 1: So obviously, saying that we just know one thing is
[2:25:30] Speaker 1: either right or wrong isn't a good argument because they
[2:25:33] Speaker 1: don't know it, and apparently they're closer to God than
[2:25:35] Speaker 1: I am.
[2:25:36] Speaker 3: No, Okay, So here's the thing, right, you two are
[2:25:40] Speaker 3: not in disagreement. Yeah, both think that the murder needs
[2:25:44] Speaker 3: to be or sorry, I don't want to get your
[2:25:46] Speaker 3: live band sorry schmurdering. Right. Uh, you both believe that
[2:25:52] Speaker 3: schmurdering is wrong. They just don't have a justification like
[2:25:55] Speaker 3: you do for self defense, right, They just don't have that.
[2:25:59] Speaker 3: But you both were talking about self defense. Murder is wrong, okay,
[2:26:04] Speaker 3: and that's fine, that's your justification on top of it.
[2:26:06] Speaker 3: But you both have the quantitative idea that you ought
[2:26:11] Speaker 3: to not take someone out of this world, right?
[2:26:14] Speaker 15: Well?
[2:26:14] Speaker 3: Or is that something that you both don't agree on.
[2:26:16] Speaker 1: Well, the Mennonites and myself obviously do. But you know,
[2:26:19] Speaker 1: there are people around the world that think it's okay
[2:26:21] Speaker 1: to take people.
[2:26:21] Speaker 3: Out exactly, but they have justifications for it. Can you
[2:26:25] Speaker 3: show me anybody who just thinks that it's okay to
[2:26:28] Speaker 3: just go around and do that without being insane? They
[2:26:31] Speaker 3: have no If they think that, then they are literally
[2:26:35] Speaker 3: just going against their own morality.
[2:26:38] Speaker 1: There you go again. Your your argument depends on reading
[2:26:41] Speaker 1: people's minds, so you keep telling it.
[2:26:43] Speaker 3: It's not meeting people's minds, it's just that they have
[2:26:46] Speaker 3: no justification. You can't name me a single person who
[2:26:49] Speaker 3: goes around taking people out of this world and then
[2:26:53] Speaker 3: has they always have a justification because they understand base
[2:26:57] Speaker 3: that it's wrong. Animals understand that it's wrong, and they, oh.
[2:27:00] Speaker 1: I don't believe that to be the case. In fact,
[2:27:02] Speaker 1: if you watch enough interviews of like serial killers and whatnot,
[2:27:06] Speaker 1: they don't have remorse. They don't they don't believe that
[2:27:08] Speaker 1: they're doing something wrong. In fact, a lot of these people,
[2:27:11] Speaker 1: like some of them arecedo masochists, like guys like Albert
[2:27:15] Speaker 1: Fish had zero remorse over what he was doing.
[2:27:19] Speaker 3: Okay, so just because you because they have again a
[2:27:24] Speaker 3: justification for that, They have their mind as a justification
[2:27:27] Speaker 3: for that. But everybody on earth understands that taking someone
[2:27:30] Speaker 3: out is wrong based off because you don't need any
[2:27:33] Speaker 3: culture or anything in order to assume that if you
[2:27:36] Speaker 3: took a bunch of people with babies and put them
[2:27:38] Speaker 3: in a random place, they would instantly know that taking
[2:27:42] Speaker 3: people out of this world is wrong.
[2:27:44] Speaker 1: Right, So let me fast forward the conversation because the
[2:27:46] Speaker 1: argument you're laying down isn't helpful and it's not true,
[2:27:49] Speaker 1: and you can't read minds.
[2:27:50] Speaker 3: So well, yeah, you can't deny it.
[2:27:53] Speaker 1: No, I deny reading minds. You can't read minds, right,
[2:27:56] Speaker 1: So no, No.
[2:27:56] Speaker 3: That's I literally gave you so many things of evidence
[2:27:59] Speaker 3: and you're like, oh, you didn't, You didn't.
[2:28:02] Speaker 1: Give any evidence. Yet what I'm saying is that you're
[2:28:04] Speaker 1: the evidence that you're laying down requires you to know
[2:28:07] Speaker 1: what is in people's minds, and you don't remind them.
[2:28:09] Speaker 3: Neither do I.
[2:28:10] Speaker 1: So I'm trying to fast forward past the reading mind's
[2:28:13] Speaker 1: part so we can get to the subsistence part.
[2:28:15] Speaker 11: Right.
[2:28:15] Speaker 1: So, the reason why the majority of humans agree on
[2:28:19] Speaker 1: a basic set of morals is not because they're objective.
[2:28:22] Speaker 1: It's only because we are experiencing the same thing.
[2:28:25] Speaker 11: Right.
[2:28:25] Speaker 1: So I experience pain, right, I know that it's bad
[2:28:28] Speaker 1: to get like stabbed by a knife. I know it's painful.
[2:28:32] Speaker 1: I don't like it, right, And because I agree that
[2:28:35] Speaker 1: I don't want to get stabbed, I think it's pretty
[2:28:36] Speaker 1: obvious that I would prefer in society where we agree
[2:28:39] Speaker 1: that we shouldn't be stabbing each other, because if I
[2:28:42] Speaker 1: can stab you, then you can stab me, and that's
[2:28:43] Speaker 1: not the outcome that I want. So, as evolved beings
[2:28:48] Speaker 1: that have thinking capacity. We've agreed to live in societies
[2:28:51] Speaker 1: where we don't allow certain things.
[2:28:54] Speaker 3: That's it, no, because that's wrong, because that literally takes
[2:28:59] Speaker 3: every thing out of context. And also if only if
[2:29:03] Speaker 3: that is the only justification for your morality, then you
[2:29:06] Speaker 3: are a deeply a moral person. If you're actually how
[2:29:10] Speaker 3: people do not put those rules onto you, that's deeply
[2:29:14] Speaker 3: a moral you know that, right?
[2:29:16] Speaker 1: Well, I don't think there is not how I think
[2:29:18] Speaker 1: so in my worldview, morals are subjective, so to say
[2:29:21] Speaker 1: that something is deeply immral just means that you have
[2:29:23] Speaker 1: a subjective opinion that's different than mine. So I'm still
[2:29:27] Speaker 1: waiting for the argument that gets me to objective morals,
[2:29:31] Speaker 1: because a lot of people agreeing that they don't want
[2:29:33] Speaker 1: to be hurt isn't objective morals. It's just stating the
[2:29:37] Speaker 1: obvious that the way we've evolved as entities on the
[2:29:40] Speaker 1: planet tells us that, like being stabbed is painful, we
[2:29:44] Speaker 1: don't like.
[2:29:45] Speaker 3: It, okay, right, but we don't create rules just so
[2:29:49] Speaker 3: those rules aren't afflicted to us. Right again, I'm not
[2:29:54] Speaker 3: anti slavery or racism or anything like that just because
[2:29:58] Speaker 3: I don't want to be afflicted by it. There is
[2:30:00] Speaker 3: something right, there is objective morality, and disagree. I think
[2:30:04] Speaker 3: that other humans ought not to be hurt. Where are
[2:30:07] Speaker 3: the objective morals? Where can I find? Again? You find
[2:30:12] Speaker 3: them in things that can be studied and replicated in uh,
[2:30:18] Speaker 3: I forget the term for it. But basically, if you
[2:30:21] Speaker 3: put any group of humans, no matter what culture, no
[2:30:24] Speaker 3: matter what race, if you put them in isolated things
[2:30:27] Speaker 3: from birth, they will always come up with a couple
[2:30:31] Speaker 3: of objective morals based on their location. But yeah, subjective
[2:30:37] Speaker 3: within their mind. No, it's not subjective.
[2:30:40] Speaker 1: It's based on their experience, which is why, which is
[2:30:44] Speaker 1: why humans can actually agree on what is moral, like
[2:30:46] Speaker 1: we fight over what we think is moral, because they're
[2:30:49] Speaker 1: not actually objective. They're in fact subjective, which is why
[2:30:53] Speaker 1: most of human history humans couldn't agree on whether or
[2:30:57] Speaker 1: not slavery was moral. We used all kinds of reasons
[2:31:01] Speaker 1: to say that it was moral. It wasn't until the
[2:31:03] Speaker 1: modern age that people realize that maybe this wasn't a
[2:31:05] Speaker 1: good thing, and like even the Bible couldn't figure it out.
[2:31:10] Speaker 3: Okay, so that's the thing, right. The reason why I
[2:31:14] Speaker 3: was in the argument is because people at the time,
[2:31:18] Speaker 3: everybody assumed that we ought not to hurt humans. Right,
[2:31:21] Speaker 3: So the argument wasn't whether we should hurt humans or not,
[2:31:24] Speaker 3: it's whether we're justified in hurting those humans or not. Again,
[2:31:28] Speaker 3: the objective part of it is we ought not to
[2:31:30] Speaker 3: hurt humans. That is something that's not objective.
[2:31:34] Speaker 1: That's subjective.
[2:31:35] Speaker 3: Okay, can you prove that it is objective? Can you
[2:31:37] Speaker 3: name a single culture? Yeah, because where it is okay
[2:31:40] Speaker 3: to hurt other humans without a justification, because.
[2:31:44] Speaker 1: The default position is subjective unless you can demonstrate otherwise.
[2:31:48] Speaker 1: Because the subjective position.
[2:31:50] Speaker 3: Yeah, happens to control environments.
[2:31:51] Speaker 1: The proof the subjective position is just saying that the
[2:31:56] Speaker 1: things we know to exist, the human mind, the way
[2:31:59] Speaker 1: our brains work, that the way we are able to
[2:32:03] Speaker 1: think and rationalize things. That's the subjective opinion. That's the
[2:32:06] Speaker 1: default position. When you go to an objective position, you
[2:32:10] Speaker 1: need evidence for that, because an objective position is saying
[2:32:14] Speaker 1: that there's a transcendental category that is outside of our
[2:32:17] Speaker 1: minds that we need to get access to, and that
[2:32:20] Speaker 1: requires actual proof. So my position is the default position.
[2:32:25] Speaker 1: Your position is the one that requires actual evidence. And
[2:32:29] Speaker 1: baby's having a system morality. They are literally taught morality,
[2:32:33] Speaker 1: which is why when little kids first get socialized with
[2:32:37] Speaker 1: each other, they steal toys from each other, they hit
[2:32:40] Speaker 1: each other, they do things to each other. They have
[2:32:43] Speaker 1: to be socialized to not do that stuff. It's literally
[2:32:47] Speaker 1: a learned behavior.
[2:32:49] Speaker 3: Yeah. So there are actual multiple studies, and I can
[2:32:52] Speaker 3: link you studies where they show like a month or
[2:32:55] Speaker 3: two year old baby and they show them a puppet
[2:32:58] Speaker 3: show where the puppet is depicted in doing all types
[2:33:00] Speaker 3: of things, and they were and the babies were put
[2:33:04] Speaker 3: in a controlled environment to see which one they were
[2:33:06] Speaker 3: gravitated to. The babies have always gravitated to the ones
[2:33:11] Speaker 3: that were being fair, the ones that were being empathetic.
[2:33:14] Speaker 1: At a month or two, your eyesight isn't even developed
[2:33:17] Speaker 1: at a month or two.
[2:33:19] Speaker 3: Exactly, so they can't even run, so they.
[2:33:23] Speaker 1: Can't even see the puppet show.
[2:33:24] Speaker 3: Dummy, what are you saying that a month or two?
[2:33:29] Speaker 1: Yeah, at a month, your eyesight isn't good enough to
[2:33:31] Speaker 1: see a puppet show.
[2:33:34] Speaker 3: What are you talking about?
[2:33:36] Speaker 1: In fact, I've got a I've got a medical medical
[2:33:38] Speaker 1: doctor in the queue that can confirm this. Let's see
[2:33:41] Speaker 1: if MS is prepared. How are you doing?
[2:33:43] Speaker 3: M's are you hey? Uh?
[2:33:47] Speaker 1: EM's quick? Question, can one month old babies see a
[2:33:53] Speaker 1: puppet show.
[2:33:58] Speaker 3: In their face? What do you talking about?
[2:34:01] Speaker 1: Just stop talking to her just away? Yes, sorry, Ems,
[2:34:06] Speaker 1: I couldn't hear there. Oh you're with me, buddy, Emmas.
[2:34:14] Speaker 1: I think, hey, there you go.
[2:34:16] Speaker 9: Can you hear me?
[2:34:17] Speaker 1: Yeah? I can hear you.
[2:34:21] Speaker 9: So the what was the question?
[2:34:26] Speaker 1: Are?
[2:34:26] Speaker 11: Is?
[2:34:27] Speaker 1: Is a one month old baby's eyesight developed enough that
[2:34:30] Speaker 1: they can watch a puppet show and understand what's happening?
[2:34:35] Speaker 9: Understand what's happening? They would be depending on the child itself,
[2:34:40] Speaker 9: but they would have a general grasp at least in
[2:34:44] Speaker 9: my opinion, they can see the shape you want?
[2:34:46] Speaker 11: This is you?
[2:34:48] Speaker 9: Yes, you have specific points in the woind that are
[2:34:51] Speaker 9: specifically food, distinguishing between the shapes and doing like parallel
[2:34:56] Speaker 9: and horizontal length to give you like distinctions between shapes.
[2:34:59] Speaker 3: Right.
[2:35:00] Speaker 9: I wouldn't like would be able to comprehend the concepts
[2:35:03] Speaker 9: they're seeing. It will depend on the baby. It is hurting, right, Yeah, they.
[2:35:07] Speaker 1: Have shapes, They can see shapes and colors. In fact,
[2:35:10] Speaker 1: let me let me, I've got a graph or a
[2:35:14] Speaker 1: diagram for this. Give me one second. So at here
[2:35:19] Speaker 1: we go. Here's what they can see. The pull open. Okay,
[2:35:27] Speaker 1: you guys should be able to see the on the screen.
[2:35:29] Speaker 1: So a newborn baby sees mostly blur at four weeks,
[2:35:33] Speaker 1: which is one month. This this is roughly what they're
[2:35:36] Speaker 1: looking at, right, So can a four week old baby
[2:35:40] Speaker 1: watch a puppet show and have a reaction on whether
[2:35:44] Speaker 1: or not the puppets are behaving fairly? I call shenanigadins
[2:35:47] Speaker 1: on that. Now, it is true that they've done puppet
[2:35:50] Speaker 1: shows for for small babies, and that they do react
[2:35:55] Speaker 1: to certain things that we would call moral or immoral behavior.
[2:35:59] Speaker 1: But again, these are all proof that we learn morals
[2:36:03] Speaker 1: subjectively based on our experiences.
[2:36:05] Speaker 9: No way after like one to two months.
[2:36:10] Speaker 1: Like, yeah, hello, sorry, I was I was listening to
[2:36:19] Speaker 1: the medical doctor for a minute there. So I think
[2:36:23] Speaker 1: you probably did read a study on puppet shows. But
[2:36:26] Speaker 1: I think saying that they were one month old is
[2:36:29] Speaker 1: probably not the right thing there.
[2:36:34] Speaker 3: Hello, but we can we can hear you my fault.
[2:36:38] Speaker 3: It's not going green for me, my fault.
[2:36:40] Speaker 9: Uh.
[2:36:42] Speaker 3: Yeah, So whether they were a month old or not,
[2:36:46] Speaker 3: that semantics. So basically you're saying that these babies, uh
[2:36:51] Speaker 3: developed their subjective morality within a year.
[2:36:54] Speaker 9: Is that?
[2:36:54] Speaker 11: What?
[2:36:55] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that we learn morality through our
[2:36:59] Speaker 1: experience is and through our environment, and through what our
[2:37:02] Speaker 1: parents show us, which is why one child could think
[2:37:05] Speaker 1: that doing something is okay and another child could disagree.
[2:37:09] Speaker 1: There are some children that think it's okay to steal
[2:37:11] Speaker 1: toys from other children.
[2:37:14] Speaker 3: Okay, So you're telling me that these babies learn from
[2:37:20] Speaker 3: their year of experience morality, fairness, and the ideas of violence.
[2:37:26] Speaker 3: They just and they don't have any of that thing
[2:37:29] Speaker 3: anything in trinsic. There's just nothing intrinsic about humans under
[2:37:32] Speaker 3: your world view that what is intrinsic.
[2:37:33] Speaker 9: About there is there is intrinsic beliefs that would be held,
[2:37:38] Speaker 9: but that is a result of evolution. Like cheme up
[2:37:44] Speaker 9: specifically to his sku, how do you respond to the
[2:37:46] Speaker 9: effect that specific points of the brain that we do
[2:37:49] Speaker 9: know and that we do study or respons for moral processing,
[2:37:54] Speaker 9: and that problems and legions within them, But hunujis within
[2:37:58] Speaker 9: these regions within the brain cluse you to again change
[2:38:01] Speaker 9: your moral compass or completely lose it.
[2:38:06] Speaker 3: I think that's extremely fascinating and it makes a lot
[2:38:09] Speaker 3: of sense, especially under our worldview.
[2:38:11] Speaker 9: It isn't in your worldview if it is something that
[2:38:13] Speaker 9: evolved again through million, it would make sense that you
[2:38:17] Speaker 9: would have specific points desilient or not deslilian, because they
[2:38:21] Speaker 9: wouldn't pay creation, but specific points there that process morality
[2:38:26] Speaker 9: and not just some intrinsic magical thing that is within
[2:38:28] Speaker 9: your soul. For example.
[2:38:30] Speaker 3: I never said it was a tragic magical thing on
[2:38:32] Speaker 3: your soul. I just said that human.
[2:38:36] Speaker 9: And if you believe that it is physical, then it
[2:38:38] Speaker 9: is expected under an evolutionistic world view as well as
[2:38:42] Speaker 9: your world view, for example, then there is no distinction.
[2:38:44] Speaker 9: If it is something that is physically present within the
[2:38:47] Speaker 9: human body, that it is something that would be expected
[2:38:50] Speaker 9: under my world view as well as yours, then there's
[2:38:53] Speaker 9: no distinction.
[2:38:54] Speaker 3: No, there is. So exactly, there is no distinction because
[2:38:58] Speaker 3: God is the point of God is the natural world.
[2:39:01] Speaker 3: So if you just my point, God is the world.
[2:39:05] Speaker 1: Did I hear that.
[2:39:06] Speaker 3: God is the natural world? How was that a laughable thing?
[2:39:12] Speaker 8: What?
[2:39:12] Speaker 3: What did I say?
[2:39:13] Speaker 9: That was wrong? Can you?
[2:39:14] Speaker 1: If God is everything, then there's no distinction between my
[2:39:17] Speaker 1: asshole and God.
[2:39:20] Speaker 3: If you want to say that, yes, sure, because so
[2:39:23] Speaker 3: I'm not I'm.
[2:39:23] Speaker 1: Not a kind to believe in God like a deity
[2:39:26] Speaker 1: that just farted everything into his existence as nonsense.
[2:39:30] Speaker 3: Mm hmmm. So basically, if you grant that, if you
[2:39:36] Speaker 3: grant or at least if you acknowledge that, under my worldview,
[2:39:41] Speaker 3: God is an omnipotent being, if he were not to
[2:39:44] Speaker 3: be something, then that would render him not all powerful. Right,
[2:39:47] Speaker 3: So when I disagree, no, okay, I don't, I don't care.
[2:39:50] Speaker 3: That's so when you say that there is a gland,
[2:39:54] Speaker 3: that's crazy objective morality?
[2:39:57] Speaker 9: Right?
[2:39:57] Speaker 3: Is God created the region?
[2:40:02] Speaker 1: Have you tried these talking points outside of like your
[2:40:05] Speaker 1: your weird like church cult.
[2:40:10] Speaker 3: I mean, you can just go to add homonyms if
[2:40:11] Speaker 3: they want, But I need to get in the gates.
[2:40:14] Speaker 9: The reason I came up is because you said you said,
[2:40:17] Speaker 9: when he asked you, what proves your God? You said,
[2:40:20] Speaker 9: the fact that reality exists? Yes, exactly, I asked you,
[2:40:23] Speaker 9: then the truth? Would you explain that it is a
[2:40:26] Speaker 9: physical component of the brain that is responsible for the processing.
[2:40:30] Speaker 9: And when this the component is whomed anyway beaten in
[2:40:33] Speaker 9: for it, be it any other's specific pathology that helpens
[2:40:36] Speaker 9: in the brain, then you have neurological deficits in your
[2:40:40] Speaker 9: moral processing. You said that that is then expected within
[2:40:43] Speaker 9: my worldview anyways, so where is the distinction on which
[2:40:47] Speaker 9: Where is the distinction in which morality? Then the employees
[2:40:51] Speaker 9: got okay, So.
[2:40:52] Speaker 3: The objective more, if it is a region in the
[2:40:55] Speaker 3: brand which I don't know, I'm just going to assume
[2:40:57] Speaker 3: that you ease.
[2:40:57] Speaker 9: You of the bedroom video the person I believe you.
[2:41:01] Speaker 3: I just don't know. That's it. I just don't make
[2:41:05] Speaker 3: claims on stuff that I don't know. Right, So, if
[2:41:08] Speaker 3: there is a part of the brain that handles morality
[2:41:11] Speaker 3: and then it is damaged, right, that would be away
[2:41:16] Speaker 3: from what is intrinsically in you. Again, it would be
[2:41:19] Speaker 3: another justification above your intrinsic morality.
[2:41:23] Speaker 1: That it would demonstrate the subjective.
[2:41:28] Speaker 3: And morals are subjective if they are a part of evolution,
[2:41:32] Speaker 3: what's the subjective.
[2:41:33] Speaker 9: Subjective emotions for example? Or put to the evolution and
[2:41:37] Speaker 9: they're still subjective?
[2:41:39] Speaker 3: Yes, okay, So so let me ask you a question.
[2:41:44] Speaker 3: I just want you to stand on one point. Is
[2:41:47] Speaker 3: morality intrinsic or is it learned? Just so it's okay, okay,
[2:41:54] Speaker 3: It is.
[2:41:54] Speaker 1: A mixture of both, which is why like we can
[2:41:57] Speaker 1: we can train animals to exhibit certain behavior and then
[2:42:01] Speaker 1: when they have children, their children will exhibit the behaviors,
[2:42:05] Speaker 1: not perfectly, but quite often. And is that called epigenetics?
[2:42:09] Speaker 3: That what was it called that?
[2:42:11] Speaker 9: Could you repeat what you said that when I was
[2:42:13] Speaker 9: texting somebody apologies?
[2:42:14] Speaker 1: When you when you train an animal for particular desired
[2:42:17] Speaker 1: traits and behaviors and then their offspring exhibit those traits
[2:42:21] Speaker 1: and behaviors that were learned behaviors, that's called is that epigenetics.
[2:42:27] Speaker 9: Epigenetics would have to do with like the activation and
[2:42:30] Speaker 9: inactivition of genes. It tends to do with your environment,
[2:42:33] Speaker 9: for example, like how bacteria might express specific genes that
[2:42:37] Speaker 9: could break down lectose in the presence of for example, milk.
[2:42:41] Speaker 9: That is an example of an epigenetic change. What you're
[2:42:44] Speaker 9: what you're referencing again, that is something that is carried
[2:42:46] Speaker 9: down two generations could be an example of epigenetic changes.
[2:42:49] Speaker 9: And it also could be an example of your selecting treats.
[2:42:52] Speaker 9: It could be an example of artificial selection.
[2:42:54] Speaker 1: Right, So I mean to the point, you can have
[2:43:00] Speaker 1: behaviors that we would describe as inherent behaviors, both because
[2:43:04] Speaker 1: of evolution, because of the way our genetics work, because
[2:43:07] Speaker 1: learned behaviors can be passed down genetically.
[2:43:14] Speaker 3: Okay. If you think that that's crazy, this was the
[2:43:17] Speaker 3: science tells us, Like, okay, okay, that is fine. If
[2:43:23] Speaker 3: you think that learned behavior as the dog breeder, if
[2:43:26] Speaker 3: you think that learned behaviors could be passed down by genetics,
[2:43:30] Speaker 3: that is an extremely problematic world view to have.
[2:43:33] Speaker 1: I mean, the medical doctor agrees with me, So I
[2:43:35] Speaker 1: don't know what you're telling me.
[2:43:36] Speaker 3: I feel like that's a little eugenicsy. But that's yeah,
[2:43:41] Speaker 3: it's one hundred eugenics.
[2:43:43] Speaker 9: So who is who is selecting for tweets eugenics like
[2:43:46] Speaker 9: what I'm talking about like a learned treat loyalty for example,
[2:43:51] Speaker 9: or like a specific action that a presenters who like servitude, suvitude.
[2:44:02] Speaker 3: That can be passed out by genetics.
[2:44:03] Speaker 9: Right, yeah, some people.
[2:44:08] Speaker 3: That's a lot. That's a lot. That is a lot
[2:44:11] Speaker 3: like eugenics.
[2:44:12] Speaker 1: To be brothers, I don't think you know what eugenics means.
[2:44:16] Speaker 3: Uh So you think, okay, what what do you what
[2:44:19] Speaker 3: do you think eugenics means? It's uh so. Basically, eugenics
[2:44:25] Speaker 3: is based off of a principle that there are unalienable
[2:44:27] Speaker 3: characteristics of people's genetics that can be taken out or
[2:44:32] Speaker 3: taken or put in through Darwinian evolution.
[2:44:36] Speaker 1: Right, No, not not through Darwinian evolution. Eugenics is the
[2:44:40] Speaker 1: idea that you should purposely tamper with the inheritable traits
[2:44:44] Speaker 1: of the human species and that you should literally like
[2:44:47] Speaker 1: sterilize people that you don't want to reproduce.
[2:44:50] Speaker 3: Well, you're you're basically giving the you're basically granting them
[2:44:54] Speaker 3: the evidence that learn traits could be passed out by genetics.
[2:44:59] Speaker 15: They can't.
[2:45:00] Speaker 1: Great, Okay, it's okay if you if you don't know
[2:45:04] Speaker 1: anything about the body.
[2:45:06] Speaker 3: So you're telling me if my ancestors were inde right
[2:45:09] Speaker 3: in servitude, right, I have servitude of my genetics.
[2:45:13] Speaker 9: If the people were controlling again, the people were controlling
[2:45:16] Speaker 9: your ancestris, if they were like if somebody who was
[2:45:19] Speaker 9: a little devian or he he was more aggressive per se,
[2:45:22] Speaker 9: and they took him out and unlived him, and then
[2:45:25] Speaker 9: they filmed people who were submissive naturally, like some people
[2:45:28] Speaker 9: were more submissive than others in their nature, and then
[2:45:30] Speaker 9: started making them sleeves for example, and then breeding them.
[2:45:35] Speaker 9: And then you came along, you would be more likely
[2:45:37] Speaker 9: to express submissive characteristics.
[2:45:42] Speaker 3: You're literally okay, I'm done with you guys.
[2:45:45] Speaker 1: Bro literally out here crashing out because he didn't he
[2:45:48] Speaker 1: didn't think that is, he didn't think it's talking points.
[2:45:51] Speaker 1: Was gonna failed out hard with you do with dunks.
[2:45:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.
[2:45:57] Speaker 1: If the dog doesn't exhibit the traits that you want,
[2:45:59] Speaker 1: you don't, don't breed them. They're out of here and.
[2:46:03] Speaker 9: Then they're a look spree, yeah, or listening aggressive? Who
[2:46:07] Speaker 9: you go from wolfs to dunks?
[2:46:09] Speaker 1: Right, yeah, exactly, And it's good to see you. But
[2:46:12] Speaker 1: hang out with me for a little bit if you're free,
[2:46:14] Speaker 1: I'm gonna grab a couple of super chats and we'll
[2:46:17] Speaker 1: we'll get our next guest in here.
[2:46:21] Speaker 18: Crawl.
[2:46:22] Speaker 1: Thank you for the six sixty six, hill Nero, says
[2:46:24] Speaker 1: he'll stanhill Nero. Florp is a well maintained firefox fork
[2:46:29] Speaker 1: and is way more performative. Interesting. I've never heard of
[2:46:33] Speaker 1: of florp. Let me see this one floor. I'll download
[2:46:39] Speaker 1: it today. I see the Florp browser. I'll download it
[2:46:42] Speaker 1: today and I'll give it a test drive. I'll let
[2:46:45] Speaker 1: you know what happens, and shit, you'll probably see what happens. Actually.
[2:46:49] Speaker 1: Also design coming in again. Thank you so much for
[2:46:52] Speaker 1: the Superjest, says best case scenario, God wanted to outlaw
[2:46:54] Speaker 1: slavery but was pressured back into it by his adherents
[2:46:58] Speaker 1: lest they walk best case. Actually, I'm surprised that argument
[2:47:02] Speaker 1: didn't come up with the prior guests, because that's usually
[2:47:04] Speaker 1: the argument that they have, where God couldn't end slavery
[2:47:08] Speaker 1: because people wouldn't have listened to him, which is a
[2:47:11] Speaker 1: bullshit excuse, but that's basically what you're saying. And Chris
[2:47:15] Speaker 1: says thoughts on Watchtower Jehovah Witnesses. I was led to
[2:47:18] Speaker 1: believe that JW's are subservient to the Watchtower over the Bible,
[2:47:22] Speaker 1: but you're not wrong. Their interpretation of the Bible is
[2:47:27] Speaker 1: basically influenced on what the Watchtower publishes. So if you
[2:47:31] Speaker 1: know anything about the JW's or their culture is very
[2:47:35] Speaker 1: top down. That's why they are forced into doing missionary work.
[2:47:39] Speaker 1: They are forced into certain talking points and beliefs. They
[2:47:44] Speaker 1: do not allow deviation in their belief systems. The teachings
[2:47:48] Speaker 1: come from the top down. They start at the top,
[2:47:51] Speaker 1: they get pushed down into the churches, so it's a
[2:47:54] Speaker 1: very top down denomination. It's not that they're the only ones.
[2:47:57] Speaker 1: The Catholics are like that, but they allow some expression
[2:48:01] Speaker 1: of freethought as well. But JW's they don't like that,
[2:48:04] Speaker 1: not at all. Golack says, regarding your memory problems, it
[2:48:08] Speaker 1: comes with old age. Shut up and reboot. I'm old,
[2:48:13] Speaker 1: which is why I have memory lapses that happens all
[2:48:16] Speaker 1: the time. My computer is not old. My computer should
[2:48:18] Speaker 1: not having memory laps. Northern Matt, thank you so much
[2:48:22] Speaker 1: for the ten hour supertest, says, can't thank you enough
[2:48:24] Speaker 1: for the content. Keep cooking well, Northern Matt, big w
[2:48:27] Speaker 1: for supporting and I'm gonna cook as much as humanly possible.
[2:48:30] Speaker 1: That's the goal. We're gonna cook, cook, cook, We're gonna barbecue.
[2:48:34] Speaker 1: We're gonna have, as I'm learning today, a brie. We're
[2:48:38] Speaker 1: gonna have a brie and Aaron. Good to see you,
[2:48:40] Speaker 1: Phillo Dragon, thank you so much for the ten hour
[2:48:42] Speaker 1: supertestays for me, the absolute slam dung against Yahweh being
[2:48:45] Speaker 1: an alleged loving God is first Eamuel fifteen, the slaughter
[2:48:48] Speaker 1: of the infants. Yeah, first three? Which verse is your
[2:48:52] Speaker 1: first thought when thinking about those who claim God is loving?
[2:48:57] Speaker 1: I think the one that comes to mind for me
[2:49:00] Speaker 1: a lot is Deuteronomy twenty three. I think verse two
[2:49:03] Speaker 1: where he says anyone born of an illicit union shall
[2:49:06] Speaker 1: not be allowed into the congregation or the Assembly of
[2:49:08] Speaker 1: the Lord, even into the tenth generation, Which is the
[2:49:11] Speaker 1: most bullshit thing that God is willing to exclude people
[2:49:15] Speaker 1: from his membership, from the Congregation of Yahweh for merely
[2:49:20] Speaker 1: having the wrong birth parents. They couldn't control that bullshit.
[2:49:24] Speaker 1: This idea that God loves and wants everybody is complete
[2:49:28] Speaker 1: utter nonsense, Like for the most mundane reasons, he will
[2:49:32] Speaker 1: just boot you right out of the assembly commemoratory. I'm
[2:49:36] Speaker 1: thank you for the nine ninety ninety super Gent says
[2:49:38] Speaker 1: the issue with Exodus is God is prescribing slavery before
[2:49:41] Speaker 1: they even had their first slave after coming out of Egypt.
[2:49:44] Speaker 1: First slave is acquired at the Midi Night War where
[2:49:47] Speaker 1: they take virgins as sex slaves. So you're kind of right,
[2:49:52] Speaker 1: kind of wrong in Exodus, unless you think it's anachronistic.
[2:49:58] Speaker 1: In Exodus, there seems to be some mention of slavery
[2:50:02] Speaker 1: prior to the slave laws being given, but it seems
[2:50:05] Speaker 1: to be incredibly sparse, and it seems also to me
[2:50:09] Speaker 1: that they probably some of them were made slaves like
[2:50:13] Speaker 1: as they were leaving Egypt. It doesn't seem clear that
[2:50:15] Speaker 1: they were slaves while they were in Egypt, although based
[2:50:18] Speaker 1: on my reading of the Exodus, they weren't really slaves
[2:50:21] Speaker 1: in Egypt. They had their own fucking houses. You don't
[2:50:24] Speaker 1: get to be a slave and then all of you
[2:50:26] Speaker 1: have your own houses that you could put blood over
[2:50:28] Speaker 1: the door their posts and not get killed. If they
[2:50:31] Speaker 1: were literally sharing houses with their slave masters, then their
[2:50:35] Speaker 1: slave masters would have all been saved too. That wasn't
[2:50:39] Speaker 1: the case. They had their own land in the land
[2:50:41] Speaker 1: of Goshen. They lived separately. They were just like forced labor,
[2:50:45] Speaker 1: like Deuteronomy to force labor. They weren't literally slaves. But
[2:50:49] Speaker 1: that being said, yeah, you're right. Like they got out
[2:50:51] Speaker 1: into the desert, God said, I'm freed to you from slavery.
[2:50:54] Speaker 1: You shouldn't be slaves. And he said, but these fuckers
[2:50:56] Speaker 1: over here, you can make them slaves. They could be slaves.
[2:51:01] Speaker 1: Hot Takes Andy, thank you for the supertest, says, thanks
[2:51:03] Speaker 1: for the stream. Justin missing my recently past grandmother, dearly
[2:51:06] Speaker 1: hug your loved ones chat. Really having a hard time
[2:51:09] Speaker 1: with this one, Hot Takes, I get it. It's hard
[2:51:12] Speaker 1: losing a loved one, especially from our point of view
[2:51:14] Speaker 1: when this is just the end, right, So a million
[2:51:17] Speaker 1: percent thank you for the reminder. Guys, don't forget to
[2:51:22] Speaker 1: tell your friends and your family that you love them.
[2:51:25] Speaker 1: You won't get the opportunity later. Like even like there's
[2:51:29] Speaker 1: friends here on TikTok and YouTube, guy friends that I'll
[2:51:33] Speaker 1: tell them I love you man, because like, even though
[2:51:37] Speaker 1: people think it's weird and awkward, guess what I mean.
[2:51:40] Speaker 1: If you express these feelings for people, it might be
[2:51:44] Speaker 1: the last time that they get to feel and receive
[2:51:47] Speaker 1: that expression of love. So do it often. And el
[2:51:51] Speaker 1: Krocky thank you so much for the ten hour Supertests says,
[2:51:53] Speaker 1: what's up justin glad to see you. El Krocky. It
[2:51:55] Speaker 1: is great to see you, my friend. I appreciate you
[2:51:57] Speaker 1: being here and I appreciate you supportant and stream and
[2:52:00] Speaker 1: Jeffrey Volmer with a nine ninety nine super tent. Thank
[2:52:03] Speaker 1: you so much, Jeffrey says. In Tom Holland's History of
[2:52:05] Speaker 1: Christianity Dominion, he says that for centuries after Jesus' death,
[2:52:10] Speaker 1: predictions of Christian fixions were banned. It was such a
[2:52:13] Speaker 1: humiliating way to die, was it true? So Tom Holland
[2:52:17] Speaker 1: gets some things right and something's wrong in his history
[2:52:19] Speaker 1: of Christianity, So it's not like he was completely wrong,
[2:52:25] Speaker 1: and he's a fine scholar at just think he's selective
[2:52:28] Speaker 1: if he read a lot of the writings from the inquisition,
[2:52:32] Speaker 1: like Notre Dame. Notre Dame actually has an inquisition library
[2:52:35] Speaker 1: for people who want first hand accounts. If he went
[2:52:38] Speaker 1: through the actual inquisition documents and the government documents from
[2:52:43] Speaker 1: the various countries in Europe and what they were doing
[2:52:46] Speaker 1: to Christians, they would have known that the Church was
[2:52:48] Speaker 1: doing horrific shit and that they were not to be
[2:52:51] Speaker 1: thanked for all the good stuff. Tom Holland is not
[2:52:55] Speaker 1: taken seriously by most Biblical or Christian historians. But anyways,
[2:53:00] Speaker 1: well that's not his of expertise either. But yeah, the
[2:53:04] Speaker 1: depictions of the crucifixion were in fact pretty like they've
[2:53:10] Speaker 1: made fun of you like. So, for example, the earliest
[2:53:12] Speaker 1: depiction of Jesus is a crucified donkey. They are making
[2:53:17] Speaker 1: fun of Genus for being crucified by painting them like
[2:53:20] Speaker 1: a jackass.
[2:53:23] Speaker 9: You came to be a biblical clonure and spider man
[2:53:24] Speaker 9: at the same time.
[2:53:26] Speaker 1: Yeah, you nailed it. You really can't. Halla Furfey, thank
[2:53:30] Speaker 1: you so much for sending out twenty Deconstruction Zone membership's
[2:53:34] Speaker 1: big big W friend. I really appreciate that, super super generous.
[2:53:39] Speaker 1: And also Belly would thank you for the mini gesture.
[2:53:44] Speaker 1: I appreciate that big W. And she she just sent
[2:53:47] Speaker 1: a five dollars supertes says, as Bob Marley said, we've
[2:53:49] Speaker 1: got to fulfill the book. I unfortunately I don't know
[2:53:53] Speaker 1: a lot of Bob Marley lore, but I think there's
[2:53:57] Speaker 1: a lot of people trying to fulfill the Bible. Think
[2:53:59] Speaker 1: about guys like George Bush number two, right, George Bush
[2:54:05] Speaker 1: number two desperately was trying to make revelation come true,
[2:54:08] Speaker 1: you know what I mean? And Godless Engineer. Oh sorry,
[2:54:12] Speaker 1: I think I read this one already. Let me read
[2:54:14] Speaker 1: it again. One time I had a black Christian APOLOGI
[2:54:17] Speaker 1: just tell me a Southern man that he'd be my
[2:54:19] Speaker 1: biblical slave. Oh my god, I didn't read this earlier.
[2:54:21] Speaker 1: Godless Jesus. So it's hard. This is the stuff that's
[2:54:26] Speaker 1: painful to watch, like when we're on these live streams
[2:54:29] Speaker 1: that like people like who were subjugated their parents, their
[2:54:32] Speaker 1: great grandparents. They were subjugated and then like, yeah, I'll
[2:54:35] Speaker 1: let you do it to me. That crazy work, that's
[2:54:37] Speaker 1: crazy work. But it happens every day. We hear all
[2:54:40] Speaker 1: the time, all the time, and gates of delirium. My friend,
[2:54:44] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the super chat. He says,
[2:54:46] Speaker 1: I'm gifting you seventy seven dollars or is it thirty three? Yeah,
[2:54:50] Speaker 1: that was a great live stream. Maybe it's seventy three.
[2:54:53] Speaker 1: I guess I'll just have to be let it be
[2:54:55] Speaker 1: the spiritual meaning be the right one. And so I
[2:54:59] Speaker 1: don't know if you hear for that one. We literally
[2:55:01] Speaker 1: had a guy confronted with the contradiction of the seven
[2:55:04] Speaker 1: and three years and chronicles and Samuel, and he said, oh,
[2:55:07] Speaker 1: the sevens, it's a metaphor. It's a spiritual seven.
[2:55:11] Speaker 9: Seven is a metaphor, So that.
[2:55:13] Speaker 1: Seven is a metaphor. It can't it can't be a
[2:55:15] Speaker 1: real number anymore.
[2:55:17] Speaker 3: Well, so.
[2:55:20] Speaker 9: Yesterday I was on Eric's Life and we had we
[2:55:23] Speaker 9: had a Coptic Christian come up and he said, that's
[2:55:27] Speaker 9: fifty years ago the Virgin Mary appeared to a million
[2:55:31] Speaker 9: Egyptians and she healed the four thousand people. She she
[2:55:34] Speaker 9: regrew limbs, and that she healed the blind, and that
[2:55:38] Speaker 9: a quarter million people converted to Christianity, And she appeared
[2:55:43] Speaker 9: on to a million people between the like between nineteen
[2:55:47] Speaker 9: sixty eight and nineteen seventy one. We had cameras, were
[2:55:52] Speaker 9: there the musushop the Lady of Zeitoun.
[2:55:56] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah, when she appeared over the church. I've seen the.
[2:56:01] Speaker 10: The pictures, but they're they're saying that the worst pictures
[2:56:04] Speaker 10: I've ever seen. The pictures were not going to keep
[2:56:06] Speaker 10: it to me. I've been there for three years. One
[2:56:09] Speaker 10: we do you only have like three horrible pictures. They
[2:56:12] Speaker 10: have bitter pictures of the testimonies. They fucking event itself.
[2:56:16] Speaker 1: They literally at that point were already sending video stream
[2:56:21] Speaker 1: like in the airwaves for news stations.
[2:56:25] Speaker 9: But when I asked him why was there no video,
[2:56:27] Speaker 9: he said that video cameras didn't exist in Egypt at
[2:56:29] Speaker 9: the time. Why was showing me the congregation of people
[2:56:32] Speaker 9: waiting to see the miracle?
[2:56:34] Speaker 1: That's crazy, that's crazy.
[2:56:36] Speaker 9: The cameras didn't exist for the church, but they existed
[2:56:38] Speaker 9: for the people waiting to see it.
[2:56:41] Speaker 1: Isn't it crazy how God's best miracles are always the
[2:56:44] Speaker 1: ones that just can't be recorded or pictured.
[2:56:48] Speaker 9: Over three years too, in the sixties and the early seventies.
[2:56:52] Speaker 1: It reminds me of that time that I caught that
[2:56:55] Speaker 1: six inch fish or that six foot fish. It was
[2:56:58] Speaker 1: the largest large mouth pass I ever caught, a.
[2:57:02] Speaker 9: Full three foot It wasn't it to six meters?
[2:57:05] Speaker 1: Oh six meters? Sorry, it was six meters? Yeah, and
[2:57:11] Speaker 1: then it ate my dog. These people are unreal. I
[2:57:15] Speaker 1: regrab just a couple of super Chiza will keep rolling, guys.
[2:57:17] Speaker 1: Matthew says, hey, justin, what's your favorite video game?
[2:57:19] Speaker 3: And why is why is it? Why is it?
[2:57:23] Speaker 1: Bible Man? The video game hard for Doug. I've actually
[2:57:26] Speaker 1: never played Bible Man, and I regret that I haven't
[2:57:28] Speaker 1: played it. Unfortunately, I kind of got out of video
[2:57:32] Speaker 1: games when they were just getting good, so, like I'm
[2:57:39] Speaker 1: talking like Nintendo Original, I didn't really own anything after that.
[2:57:43] Speaker 1: I think I owned a saga for a little while.
[2:57:45] Speaker 9: That was it.
[2:57:46] Speaker 1: But now I'm going to download Bible Man. This would
[2:57:50] Speaker 1: be my new addiction. I'm sure. Thank you for the reference.
[2:57:54] Speaker 1: I'll let you know how about Bible Man plays. Rory says,
[2:57:57] Speaker 1: the Doug abides, so don't panic lovin the midday cookie
[2:58:00] Speaker 1: while building the deck here on the coast of Maine.
[2:58:03] Speaker 1: Keep up, keep up your the good work. Words mean words.
[2:58:09] Speaker 1: I listen, Rory, thank you so much for the ruture
[2:58:10] Speaker 1: super chat, and I hope that your deck turns out marvelous,
[2:58:15] Speaker 1: so big w on the deck. I hope you have
[2:58:17] Speaker 1: great weather up in Maine. Should be getting close to
[2:58:20] Speaker 1: a good time of the year for you. And Chris
[2:58:23] Speaker 1: says toilet Zone ran from nineteen fifty nine to nineteen
[2:58:25] Speaker 1: sixty three. Originally, Yeah, that was my understanding when I
[2:58:31] Speaker 1: was in the nineties. I was watching the reruns of that,
[2:58:33] Speaker 1: so they were They were pretty old at the time
[2:58:36] Speaker 1: when I was watching them. But I thought they remade
[2:58:38] Speaker 1: the twilet Zone. I didn't someone remake it, and there's
[2:58:41] Speaker 1: a more recent I could be wrong. Jordan says if Doug,
[2:58:45] Speaker 1: if Doug is crusted, doesn't that make pizza holy? It does,
[2:58:49] Speaker 1: And I am in wholehearted agreement that every pizza is
[2:58:52] Speaker 1: holy and to be worshiped, especially if it's got double pepperoni.
[2:58:56] Speaker 1: Small Johnson, I was wondering if you were going to
[2:58:58] Speaker 1: be here. Adam was here earlier. Thank you for the superchat,
[2:59:00] Speaker 1: Friend says, love the midday stream seems to bring more
[2:59:03] Speaker 1: interesting guests. I might be at work, but I'm still
[2:59:06] Speaker 1: rock hard. Doug. Well, you could be rock hard at work,
[2:59:11] Speaker 1: but just make sure you don't pitch a tent. That's
[2:59:13] Speaker 1: when you get in trouble. That's where shit really hits
[2:59:15] Speaker 1: the fan, So be careful with that and don't follow Doug.
[2:59:21] Speaker 1: This is a reprehensible name, but I'm going to read
[2:59:24] Speaker 1: the superchat even though the name is already horrific. Do
[2:59:27] Speaker 1: follow Doug. Thank you for the super chat, says thanks
[2:59:29] Speaker 1: for making my silly user name have a new and
[2:59:32] Speaker 1: clearly false meaning. Oh shit, now I approve of this message.
[2:59:36] Speaker 1: I assumed you created that count simply to say don't
[2:59:40] Speaker 1: follow Doug. I thought you were a follower of Joel.
[2:59:43] Speaker 1: I'm glad that you're not. Thank you for the superchat
[2:59:45] Speaker 1: and Lord Farquad, thank you so much. As this stream
[2:59:48] Speaker 1: is a breath of rationality for me. Thank you well,
[2:59:51] Speaker 1: thank you for supporting. And that is the goal here.
[2:59:53] Speaker 1: The goal here is to be rational. And Stephen says
[2:59:57] Speaker 1: Opus a Day is extreme Catholic like organization. Oh I
[3:00:01] Speaker 1: didn't know that. Shit, there's actually quite a few extreme
[3:00:03] Speaker 1: Catholic organizations. You just don't hear about him as much.
[3:00:06] Speaker 1: You hear more like you know, the ones that are
[3:00:11] Speaker 1: Protestant in nature, like the Seventh day Adventists and Hebraica.
[3:00:15] Speaker 1: Thank you for the supertest. Thoughts on Joseph Atwell's Caesar's
[3:00:19] Speaker 1: Messiah theory didn't didn't buy into it. I watched the documentary.
[3:00:22] Speaker 1: I didn't read the book. My personal opinion is that
[3:00:25] Speaker 1: it gets a lot of stuff wrong. Another reason why
[3:00:29] Speaker 1: I'm not a myphasis. I get it, I know why
[3:00:32] Speaker 1: it's thought provoking. I know why a lot of people
[3:00:34] Speaker 1: like it. I didn't find it convincing. I don't think
[3:00:37] Speaker 1: you should either. There's a reason why the majority of
[3:00:39] Speaker 1: mainstream scholars also don't find it convincing. If on't eighty one,
[3:00:44] Speaker 1: it says great work. If Jesus poops, is it holy
[3:00:46] Speaker 1: shit or not? Is a million percent not holy shit
[3:00:49] Speaker 1: because Jesus isn't whole, he's not real, he's dead, he's
[3:00:50] Speaker 1: worm food. But fantastic question, great play on words. Definitely
[3:00:54] Speaker 1: appreciate that. And Hammon says these nick foint to his
[3:00:58] Speaker 1: types Christians are just idiotic. They hate Jews but believe
[3:01:02] Speaker 1: in the Torah and worship a Jewish God hate blinds.
[3:01:05] Speaker 1: I'm in agreement with him and religion is that vehicle
[3:01:10] Speaker 1: hate quite often. That's the most depressing part, is like
[3:01:13] Speaker 1: we're giving them the tools to express their hatred without
[3:01:16] Speaker 1: fear and mark with the supertech. Thank you so much.
[3:01:19] Speaker 1: The thou shalt not kill yet God is telling people
[3:01:21] Speaker 1: to kill left and right. Killing is obviously just fine
[3:01:24] Speaker 1: with God and his holy prophets and heroes. You're one
[3:01:26] Speaker 1: hundred percent right. The question is whether or not you
[3:01:28] Speaker 1: agree with their justification, because the act itself is not
[3:01:31] Speaker 1: a problem for them as long as you've got the
[3:01:33] Speaker 1: right justification, namely God's command. And last one from Christoff Truder,
[3:01:38] Speaker 1: thank you for the supertest, says the cannibals throughout history
[3:01:41] Speaker 1: that didn't subscribe to your morals would enjoy you with
[3:01:45] Speaker 1: a nice barbecue sauce a million percent. We didn't get
[3:01:48] Speaker 1: to talk about any of those tribes, but there were
[3:01:50] Speaker 1: quite a few cannibal tribes that would finish you off
[3:01:53] Speaker 1: without a peep. You know, they would care not one
[3:01:56] Speaker 1: iota about eating up. Speaking of pillow dragon, this Aaron
[3:02:10] Speaker 1: Aaron Boddy, Oh yeah I can hear me, Yeah, I
[3:02:14] Speaker 1: can hear you. How you doing good.
[3:02:16] Speaker 3: Good, good to see you.
[3:02:17] Speaker 1: Good to see a fellow dragon. I didn't see it
[3:02:19] Speaker 1: in the cuja just now. Did you want to get
[3:02:21] Speaker 1: a piece of that last guest?
[3:02:24] Speaker 19: Well, yeah, The thing I just wanted to mention here
[3:02:26] Speaker 19: is that really we're talking about subjective and objective morality, right,
[3:02:30] Speaker 19: Typically in philosophy we're going to talk about something that
[3:02:33] Speaker 19: is stance independent or stance dependent, right, which just means
[3:02:37] Speaker 19: independent of a person's stance. And it wouldn't really matter
[3:02:41] Speaker 19: if all people on the planet Earth agreed with a
[3:02:45] Speaker 19: specific moral principle. All people agreeing is not sufficient to
[3:02:49] Speaker 19: say that it's objective. You would need to provide evidence
[3:02:52] Speaker 19: that it's independent of everybody's stance or anybody's stance whatsoever.
[3:02:58] Speaker 1: And it's that that he won't be able to show, right,
[3:03:01] Speaker 1: And I think that's where the claim was going, is
[3:03:04] Speaker 1: that because everybody agrees in it, that means it can't
[3:03:07] Speaker 1: be subjective. It must have been put there by something else.
[3:03:12] Speaker 1: But obviously silly like he can't demonstrate that. Well.
[3:03:16] Speaker 19: Actually, the second point that's important to notice here too
[3:03:18] Speaker 19: is that even if you had a being, a god
[3:03:22] Speaker 19: who's telling you, well, this is objective, the problem is
[3:03:26] Speaker 19: is that God presumably is a mind, and so that
[3:03:30] Speaker 19: position then becomes subjective to that mind, which means you
[3:03:35] Speaker 19: could have a God who's standing right before us right
[3:03:37] Speaker 19: now and says I say this is objective, and I
[3:03:40] Speaker 19: could just say I disagree.
[3:03:42] Speaker 1: So it's not objective, yes, exactly, because it's still a
[3:03:45] Speaker 1: subject to the mind of God, which is the youth
[3:03:47] Speaker 1: of fraid dilemma. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[3:03:51] Speaker 11: So that's there.
[3:03:52] Speaker 19: There's there's there's many philosophical debates here in meta ethics,
[3:03:56] Speaker 19: and I won't go down the philbro road, but suffice
[3:03:58] Speaker 19: to say, for now, if you're thinking about this distinction
[3:04:02] Speaker 19: between objective and subjective, it's food for thought, right because
[3:04:06] Speaker 19: I think it's you know, I think it's well well
[3:04:09] Speaker 19: founded to say that this idea of objective morality is
[3:04:11] Speaker 19: actually incoherent.
[3:04:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you on that one. Yeah, well, fil
[3:04:18] Speaker 1: drag and I appreciate the explanation. I'm going to grab.
[3:04:21] Speaker 1: We've got a mountain of people that have been waiting
[3:04:24] Speaker 1: to get in on the YouTube cues. I'm going to
[3:04:26] Speaker 1: try to get some people that have been waiting for
[3:04:27] Speaker 1: a while. Sounds good, you'll be able to hear them
[3:04:31] Speaker 1: if you're up here, but they won't be able to
[3:04:33] Speaker 1: hear you unfortunately. No, that's fine, no worse, let me
[3:04:38] Speaker 1: grab if I'm reading this correctly. His name is Amen?
[3:04:45] Speaker 2: Is that correct?
[3:04:46] Speaker 1: Damen?
[3:04:49] Speaker 11: Hey?
[3:04:49] Speaker 6: What's up you?
[3:04:50] Speaker 2: Construction?
[3:04:50] Speaker 6: Can you hear me?
[3:04:51] Speaker 15: Yeah?
[3:04:51] Speaker 1: I can hear you. Yah?
[3:04:53] Speaker 6: Hey, what's up? How? How a?
[3:04:54] Speaker 1: Not too bad?
[3:04:55] Speaker 9: Are you very good? Very good?
[3:04:58] Speaker 1: Amen? Are you at least eighteen? And are you a believer?
[3:05:01] Speaker 9: Yeah?
[3:05:02] Speaker 2: That's correct, man.
[3:05:02] Speaker 6: I believe in all Aprahamic religions.
[3:05:06] Speaker 11: Oh?
[3:05:06] Speaker 1: Interesting you so you believe in Christianity, Judaism and Islam.
[3:05:12] Speaker 6: That's correct.
[3:05:14] Speaker 1: You do understand that they don't all like those three
[3:05:17] Speaker 1: don't agree with each other.
[3:05:18] Speaker 20: Right, Yeah, it's just because one thing, though it's a
[3:05:22] Speaker 20: lot of this is one thing, you know, God, that's understanding.
[3:05:29] Speaker 1: So we don't we don't really hear what you're saying
[3:05:30] Speaker 1: because you stepped away from your phone. All right, hold
[3:05:33] Speaker 1: on quote or your computer or whatever it is.
[3:05:37] Speaker 6: Can you can you hear me?
[3:05:38] Speaker 3: Now?
[3:05:38] Speaker 1: I can hear you as long as you're next to
[3:05:39] Speaker 1: your mic.
[3:05:43] Speaker 3: So okay, right, So.
[3:05:47] Speaker 1: Let me ask some clarifying questions. Is the Bible true?
[3:05:54] Speaker 3: Yes?
[3:05:55] Speaker 1: Is the Koran true?
[3:05:58] Speaker 6: That that's also correct.
[3:06:01] Speaker 1: Well, they that can't be both true because the Koran
[3:06:04] Speaker 1: teaches that Jesus wasn't crucified, okay, or is that in
[3:06:11] Speaker 1: the hadith?
[3:06:11] Speaker 3: I forget?
[3:06:12] Speaker 9: It also says that the way was corupted.
[3:06:15] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, looking over is true?
[3:06:19] Speaker 3: Kingdom of God?
[3:06:20] Speaker 6: Uh scenario.
[3:06:21] Speaker 11: So the kingdom of God.
[3:06:23] Speaker 1: So the Koran says that the Bible was corrupted and
[3:06:25] Speaker 1: that Jesus wasn't crucified.
[3:06:32] Speaker 6: Belief. Then to let the if you see a question,
[3:06:37] Speaker 6: you're supposed to give.
[3:06:38] Speaker 9: Respect because it doesn't see that. It doesn't say that,
[3:06:43] Speaker 9: It just to them to the world.
[3:06:46] Speaker 1: All right, So amen, amen, show show me the verse
[3:06:51] Speaker 1: where it says that.
[3:06:53] Speaker 6: Okay, so look, I'm not a master when it comes
[3:06:56] Speaker 6: to verses but information. But basically, what you guys are
[3:07:01] Speaker 6: looking over and it's very important that you know that.
[3:07:06] Speaker 1: And then can you can you stop walking around right now?
[3:07:08] Speaker 1: Like alls we can hear is your feet shuffling in
[3:07:11] Speaker 1: the basement floor somewhere.
[3:07:14] Speaker 6: Oh my god. All right, but I'll have a seat then,
[3:07:21] Speaker 6: all right.
[3:07:21] Speaker 7: So basically, again, all it was saying is all religion,
[3:07:25] Speaker 7: all Abrahamic religions are true. The only difference is that
[3:07:29] Speaker 7: each one is true to its approach create religious psyche.
[3:07:35] Speaker 7: So there's a cycle of kings and each one. Where
[3:07:39] Speaker 7: are we now today? The Jews have the Kingdom of God, but.
[3:07:42] Speaker 1: I don't think. I don't think you're in the same reality.
[3:07:46] Speaker 7: And Jesus will have the Kingdom of Cox. Later on
[3:07:49] Speaker 7: the Muslims will have the Kingdom of God.
[3:07:52] Speaker 6: These are all and they're all truth to their appropriate times.
[3:08:03] Speaker 3: Are Uh?
[3:08:06] Speaker 1: Can contradictions exist?
[3:08:09] Speaker 6: Contradictions can exist when we're talking, when we're looking at
[3:08:12] Speaker 6: it in this way.
[3:08:13] Speaker 1: They can. Contradictions can exist.
[3:08:16] Speaker 7: Can't exist if you're looking at it at different religious sacs. Oh, boy,
[3:08:20] Speaker 7: with this God, with the God, we're all gods, right,
[3:08:23] Speaker 7: is all?
[3:08:24] Speaker 6: God?
[3:08:25] Speaker 1: Is God capable of making a burrito so big that
[3:08:28] Speaker 1: they can't eat it.
[3:08:29] Speaker 6: Look looks so in the Bible seas, we're all gods.
[3:08:32] Speaker 1: Right, So this whole hold on, hold on, you're you're
[3:08:36] Speaker 1: getting way too you're getting way too far ahead. We're
[3:08:38] Speaker 1: gonna we're gonna limit this rambling. Okay, So the question
[3:08:42] Speaker 1: that we started with was whether or not you believe
[3:08:44] Speaker 1: illogical things or contradictions exist. You said yes. So my
[3:08:49] Speaker 1: next question is going to be whether or not this
[3:08:52] Speaker 1: particular illogical thing could exist. Is it possible for God
[3:08:56] Speaker 1: to make a burrito so big that he cannot eat it?
[3:09:01] Speaker 1: What you're saying here, I know you don't. I know
[3:09:04] Speaker 1: you don't get it. Yeah, that's the point. So just
[3:09:06] Speaker 1: slow down and listen real quick. Okay, Actually I'll make
[3:09:10] Speaker 1: it easier. I'll bring it down to an easier level.
[3:09:14] Speaker 1: Can God make a hot pocket so hot that he
[3:09:17] Speaker 1: can't eat it?
[3:09:19] Speaker 6: I'm point break it.
[3:09:21] Speaker 3: What do you mean by that?
[3:09:23] Speaker 1: But if you if you can't handle like basic logic,
[3:09:27] Speaker 1: I don't know if this is the place for you.
[3:09:29] Speaker 7: So you're saying that basically that crazy. There's contradictions. This
[3:09:35] Speaker 7: is based on your last point where you're saying there's
[3:09:37] Speaker 7: contradictions in the books.
[3:09:39] Speaker 1: What I'm saying is that the Koran and the Bible
[3:09:43] Speaker 1: contradict each other, which means they can't both be true
[3:09:46] Speaker 1: in everything that they say.
[3:09:49] Speaker 7: Okay, that's where we're just asking because I believe it's
[3:09:52] Speaker 7: true to this this King, this God, the God who's
[3:09:56] Speaker 7: currently in power.
[3:09:58] Speaker 1: Right, which is which is what I'm telling you, that
[3:10:01] Speaker 1: you can't hold contradictory views in any possible world, Like
[3:10:05] Speaker 1: is there a possible world in which square circles exist.
[3:10:10] Speaker 6: This is you're not understanding how important.
[3:10:12] Speaker 1: It's crazy that he can't say yes or no. Amen,
[3:10:17] Speaker 1: you can't no, I don't care, So you can't tell
[3:10:22] Speaker 1: me how important the Kingdom of God is and how
[3:10:25] Speaker 1: I need to care about the Kingdom of God until
[3:10:27] Speaker 1: you demonstrate that it actually exists. That's like saying I
[3:10:29] Speaker 1: need you to care about my my baby bearded dragon
[3:10:33] Speaker 1: that actually talks English and there's no other baby beard
[3:10:36] Speaker 1: a dragon like it, when in fact I haven't actually
[3:10:38] Speaker 1: showed you my beard to dragon yet. Right, So in
[3:10:41] Speaker 1: order for me to care about your dumb doctrine, I
[3:10:43] Speaker 1: need you to demonstrate first that in fact, this this
[3:10:48] Speaker 1: realm exists. Until we get to that point, we need
[3:10:51] Speaker 1: you to engage in some logical points of dialogue, which
[3:10:55] Speaker 1: is first that logical contradictions can't exist, and you seem
[3:10:59] Speaker 1: to think that they can't exist. So I'm going through
[3:11:02] Speaker 1: some logical contradictions to find one that can exist. So
[3:11:06] Speaker 1: you've said that squirrels squared circles don't exist, right, um? Hm, okay?
[3:11:12] Speaker 1: And can God make atheism true while still existing?
[3:11:18] Speaker 6: Can God make atheism true absolutely.
[3:11:21] Speaker 1: While while still existing.
[3:11:29] Speaker 6: Existing uh belief and non belief. He makes that true again.
[3:11:35] Speaker 11: He can do whatever he wants.
[3:11:37] Speaker 9: He did.
[3:11:39] Speaker 1: I think that's adorable. Okay, all right, man, listen, it
[3:11:50] Speaker 1: sounds to me like like you're not actually able to
[3:11:53] Speaker 1: engage in the dialogue and he keeps pazzing out into
[3:11:55] Speaker 1: different into different topics that aren't aren't actually what we're
[3:11:59] Speaker 1: talking about about. So like I'm going to need you
[3:12:02] Speaker 1: to actually, I'm gonna need you to actually focus or
[3:12:06] Speaker 1: I got to move on to an adult that will.
[3:12:10] Speaker 6: Bro What are you not understand it? Let's let's talk
[3:12:12] Speaker 6: about this.
[3:12:13] Speaker 1: I do understand. I need you to stay on topic,
[3:12:15] Speaker 1: is what I'm saying. Like you keep bouncing around to
[3:12:17] Speaker 1: different topics. So that's why we're having a difficulty of
[3:12:22] Speaker 1: finding any like dialogue between the two of us, is
[3:12:24] Speaker 1: because I say something and then you ignore what I
[3:12:27] Speaker 1: say and go on to something completely different. Right, I'm
[3:12:31] Speaker 1: not interrupting you. I'm trying to direct you back to
[3:12:34] Speaker 1: the conversation because you're not actually staying on point.
[3:12:39] Speaker 6: You're talking about like that. I'm trying to because.
[3:12:42] Speaker 1: Because burritos demonstrate the logical absurdities of the claims that
[3:12:46] Speaker 1: you're making right. So, if logical impossibilities are actual possible,
[3:12:53] Speaker 1: can you demonstrate one to be possible?
[3:12:57] Speaker 6: Okay, I want you to just just.
[3:13:00] Speaker 9: For a few minutes.
[3:13:01] Speaker 1: Nobody cares until you demonstrate the Kingdom of God actually exists.
[3:13:04] Speaker 1: Nobody cares what you think about it. So we're talking
[3:13:07] Speaker 1: about logic. We're talking about I don't think the Bible
[3:13:11] Speaker 1: is true, so I don't care. So the question right
[3:13:14] Speaker 1: now is whether or not logical. Because because dumb people
[3:13:18] Speaker 1: like you exist and you get to vote, that's why
[3:13:20] Speaker 1: I do this. So the question, so the question is
[3:13:25] Speaker 1: whether or not. So the question is whether or not
[3:13:28] Speaker 1: logical impossibilities exist. And I'm chills trying to figure out
[3:13:32] Speaker 1: if you can show me a logical contradiction that.
[3:13:34] Speaker 6: Exists, a logical contradiction in what term does that?
[3:13:39] Speaker 1: Can you show me a logical contradiction that actually exists? Hey, Sarah,
[3:13:44] Speaker 1: you said you said, no, they don't exist. No, they
[3:13:51] Speaker 1: can't co exist. All right, So we already explained this, right,
[3:13:58] Speaker 1: the Bible can't be completely true and the Koran true
[3:14:02] Speaker 1: because the Koran says that the Bible was corrupted and
[3:14:05] Speaker 1: is not true, which means one of them is not true.
[3:14:10] Speaker 11: The verse, man, because.
[3:14:13] Speaker 6: You don't wanna, you don't want to listen to this
[3:14:17] Speaker 6: the Quran.
[3:14:18] Speaker 1: Clearly this guy is not capable of having an adult conversation.
[3:14:25] Speaker 1: I'm going to move on to the next guest. But
[3:14:27] Speaker 1: welcome in, Sarah.
[3:14:28] Speaker 17: Hi.
[3:14:32] Speaker 1: Well, I took to day off of work, although I
[3:14:38] Speaker 1: have to go back to work tomorrow, but I was like, shoot,
[3:14:40] Speaker 1: we should test out a daytime stream and see how
[3:14:42] Speaker 1: it goes, you know what I mean?
[3:14:46] Speaker 17: How fun?
[3:14:48] Speaker 1: But but welcome in. Welcome in. All right, We're gonna
[3:14:50] Speaker 1: grab a guest from the TikTok q then since uh,
[3:14:53] Speaker 1: since we've got a panel of of TikTok friends with us,
[3:14:57] Speaker 1: and it looks like it's all with thin is it's
[3:15:02] Speaker 1: now up on the panel. How you're doing within?
[3:15:04] Speaker 2: Hey, man, are we doing good? But you know, you know,
[3:15:07] Speaker 2: just on the process of a you know, I have
[3:15:10] Speaker 2: my own understanding, but I'm always willing to hear y'all out, bro,
[3:15:13] Speaker 2: because it's always different reasons and you know, understandings that
[3:15:16] Speaker 2: we can always come to when we come together. Sure,
[3:15:19] Speaker 2: because it's all information. I could do what I'm by myself,
[3:15:21] Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. But when I when I
[3:15:23] Speaker 2: come together. I started to realize there's a lot more
[3:15:25] Speaker 2: that I still need, that still need to be learned,
[3:15:27] Speaker 2: you know so, and I'm here to learn it. Also,
[3:15:30] Speaker 2: if whenever I chime in, I give y'all my understanding
[3:15:33] Speaker 2: of what y'all told me, and then y'all can elaborate
[3:15:35] Speaker 2: so I can understand you know what I'm saying.
[3:15:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds great, So let me ask you a
[3:15:39] Speaker 1: couple of basic questions. Then, at your current stage and
[3:15:42] Speaker 1: your journey, are you a Christian?
[3:15:47] Speaker 2: No, sir?
[3:15:47] Speaker 1: Okay, where are you at?
[3:15:50] Speaker 2: I'm in a standpoint as to there is an intrinsic
[3:15:55] Speaker 2: design that wasn't necessarily created by a being.
[3:15:58] Speaker 1: It.
[3:16:00] Speaker 2: It's like I look at it as energy, right, But
[3:16:05] Speaker 2: I'm not saying something created that energy though, right. So
[3:16:08] Speaker 2: it's like us being able to talk for you to
[3:16:13] Speaker 2: comprehend what I'm saying. There are energy ways between us
[3:16:17] Speaker 2: that are occurring for us to even comprehend what's going on,
[3:16:19] Speaker 2: but we can't see the ways.
[3:16:21] Speaker 11: You know.
[3:16:21] Speaker 2: It's like when you go outside and you feel air,
[3:16:23] Speaker 2: but you can't see it. That's how I look at it.
[3:16:26] Speaker 2: So there's an intrus of why that we can't see though, sure,
[3:16:30] Speaker 2: But is there a way to interact with it. Yeah,
[3:16:34] Speaker 2: we're interacting with it right now by talking.
[3:16:36] Speaker 1: No, no, no, I'm referring to like divine entities, spiritual entities.
[3:16:42] Speaker 2: Okay, So yeah, now that's important to go into it
[3:16:44] Speaker 2: because these divine spirits and entities are what we are,
[3:16:50] Speaker 2: what I consider to be aspects of who you are,
[3:16:55] Speaker 2: as well as they can be perceived outside of you.
[3:16:57] Speaker 2: Because that's how uh matter.
[3:17:02] Speaker 18: Oh, I'm gonna say, that's how energy works.
[3:17:04] Speaker 2: Energy has to be, has to be, Energy has to
[3:17:08] Speaker 2: be experienced for you to understand what it is in
[3:17:10] Speaker 2: the first place.
[3:17:11] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I mean, I'm gonna agree with you
[3:17:14] Speaker 1: a little bit. So energy, as far as science is concerned,
[3:17:19] Speaker 1: is more of a property than a stuff. Like energy
[3:17:22] Speaker 1: is like a measured rate of change in the stuff
[3:17:26] Speaker 1: that is around us, even the stuff that's not visible
[3:17:29] Speaker 1: to our naked eyeballs. Right, But energy itself isn't the thing.
[3:17:33] Speaker 1: It's not a stuff. It's just a property of stuff.
[3:17:35] Speaker 1: Does that make sense?
[3:17:37] Speaker 2: It is the property of the things, right, yeah, right,
[3:17:40] Speaker 2: It's what I'm made of.
[3:17:42] Speaker 11: Right.
[3:17:42] Speaker 1: Like, So, like if I said this pen is black, right,
[3:17:46] Speaker 1: black is a property of the pen. But black itself
[3:17:50] Speaker 1: is not a thing that exists. It's a It's just
[3:17:53] Speaker 1: a property of things that do exist. So, and that
[3:17:58] Speaker 1: property is energy, right, well, the property, like, we have
[3:18:04] Speaker 1: collections of properties that we refer to as energy. Like,
[3:18:07] Speaker 1: so when when an atom is or we'll say, when
[3:18:12] Speaker 1: a photon is moving through space, right, the position and
[3:18:17] Speaker 1: the speed of that photon is what we defined as energy.
[3:18:22] Speaker 3: Right.
[3:18:22] Speaker 1: But the what we call energy is just really describing
[3:18:26] Speaker 1: the way stuff behaves.
[3:18:28] Speaker 2: Okay, So when I'm referring to energy, I'm not coming
[3:18:31] Speaker 2: from contemporary science view because it's very limited. I'm not
[3:18:35] Speaker 2: coming I'm coming from teachings that I studied. That's called
[3:18:39] Speaker 2: the freedom teachings, teaching in closer in reorder of teachings, right.
[3:18:43] Speaker 2: So this is why I'm not just coming from an
[3:18:45] Speaker 2: inner like even though my name said just all with Dan,
[3:18:48] Speaker 2: I say that because I had to go within to
[3:18:53] Speaker 2: even come up with the idea to want to study
[3:18:55] Speaker 2: in the first place. I didn't just you know what
[3:18:57] Speaker 2: I'm saying. It didn't just come from nowhere. It came
[3:18:58] Speaker 2: from within, you know I'm saying. But it was catalyzed
[3:19:01] Speaker 2: by things outside of me, which is I was a
[3:19:04] Speaker 2: Christian at one point, and I left because I didn't
[3:19:06] Speaker 2: see God. You know what I'm saying. So I was
[3:19:08] Speaker 2: looking for tangible evidence as to why God exists and
[3:19:10] Speaker 2: I didn't see anything. I went directly to God, right,
[3:19:13] Speaker 2: and I didn't see nothing. So I was like, and
[3:19:15] Speaker 2: I became an atheist. At one point, I just thought
[3:19:17] Speaker 2: everything was just like, Okay, life is just what it is,
[3:19:19] Speaker 2: and this is what I was twenty one years old,
[3:19:21] Speaker 2: I was twenty four years Yeah, So at twenty four
[3:19:24] Speaker 2: years old, I was I mean, at twenty one years old,
[3:19:26] Speaker 2: I was an eightheist, right. I was just saying, everything
[3:19:29] Speaker 2: is just what it is, man. And basically around that time,
[3:19:31] Speaker 2: I was in a dream state, so I would just
[3:19:33] Speaker 2: go with the flow in a way and not have directions. Right.
[3:19:36] Speaker 2: So when I was doing that, I noticed myself still
[3:19:38] Speaker 2: being lost, Like I wasn't like, I still had things
[3:19:42] Speaker 2: within me that I was dealing with that I tried
[3:19:43] Speaker 2: to block out at twenty one years old, that's what
[3:19:46] Speaker 2: I was doing, right. So now I reached a point
[3:19:48] Speaker 2: to where I realized that the reason that I can
[3:19:52] Speaker 2: say I'm not going to say y'all, but me personally,
[3:19:55] Speaker 2: the reason that I'm going through the things that I'm
[3:19:57] Speaker 2: going through is because because because my thing is, I'm
[3:20:01] Speaker 2: not here to put my beliefs on no one. So
[3:20:03] Speaker 2: the only thing I can't refer to my understanding is
[3:20:05] Speaker 2: is as what I study. Right, So I'm not here
[3:20:07] Speaker 2: to putting nothing on y'all. I'm just telling y'all what
[3:20:10] Speaker 2: I think it is.
[3:20:11] Speaker 9: Right.
[3:20:11] Speaker 1: So well, let me let me ask you a question.
[3:20:16] Speaker 1: What what would lead us to believe that I assume
[3:20:20] Speaker 1: you believe that spirits in the spirit realm exists.
[3:20:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe in different frequency bands and spend rates
[3:20:26] Speaker 2: of existence. So like what we're like, we're existing in
[3:20:29] Speaker 2: a certain frequency band right now. So uh, And how
[3:20:32] Speaker 2: I know is true is because we have a dream state.
[3:20:34] Speaker 2: How does a dream state occur? How do we exist
[3:20:37] Speaker 2: in the world beyond this world when we go to sleep?
[3:20:41] Speaker 1: So the dream state is thank you.
[3:20:44] Speaker 9: So I do not dream dreams because of the condition
[3:20:48] Speaker 9: I have.
[3:20:50] Speaker 1: I can't.
[3:20:50] Speaker 2: I can't understand you.
[3:20:52] Speaker 1: MS says that not everyone dreams. He actually has a
[3:20:56] Speaker 1: condition where he doesn't dream.
[3:20:59] Speaker 2: I understand that, right.
[3:21:04] Speaker 1: So, like the dream is your brain is capable of
[3:21:08] Speaker 1: producing images like we're doing it right now with our eyeballs, right, going,
[3:21:11] Speaker 1: feeding the brain and producing in own images. But the
[3:21:15] Speaker 1: brain is also capable of recalling images, right the same
[3:21:19] Speaker 1: way it's capable of recalling sounds and smells.
[3:21:23] Speaker 18: M Yeah, that's true, right, I agree it. So do
[3:21:29] Speaker 18: you feel that the oh, I'm not gonna say, do
[3:21:31] Speaker 18: you feel so?
[3:21:33] Speaker 2: When I? Okay, I completely agree with that because I
[3:21:35] Speaker 2: feel like this is all that what we're seeing is
[3:21:38] Speaker 2: being projected by our brain, right, that's what?
[3:21:41] Speaker 9: Yeah?
[3:21:41] Speaker 6: Right?
[3:21:42] Speaker 2: So I feel that the brain is basically a filter
[3:21:47] Speaker 2: for something. It's not just boom the brain and now
[3:21:51] Speaker 2: we see this, right, I think that there was an
[3:21:53] Speaker 2: actual I think that there's an intriusing interjector.
[3:21:56] Speaker 18: For example, I didn't just so happen to be on
[3:21:59] Speaker 18: this line.
[3:22:00] Speaker 2: I came here out of strategic I was looking for
[3:22:02] Speaker 2: a love where I can have a conversation about this.
[3:22:04] Speaker 18: So this is all strategic, which makes it will look
[3:22:09] Speaker 18: The intrinsing part.
[3:22:10] Speaker 2: Of it is this is who I am.
[3:22:13] Speaker 9: You keep seeing a lot of like a load of
[3:22:15] Speaker 9: words in very very big ways, Like I don't want
[3:22:19] Speaker 9: to said frequency bends. When you see about demons, you
[3:22:22] Speaker 9: said frequency bands? What does that even mean?
[3:22:26] Speaker 2: Evaluate you want me to evaluate what you're.
[3:22:28] Speaker 9: Using words specifically frequency work. But I don't care about
[3:22:32] Speaker 9: the frequency bands. I'm saying that you're using words like,
[3:22:35] Speaker 9: for example, that the brain is filtering. What does that
[3:22:37] Speaker 9: even mean? What is it filtering? Okay, look, you're not
[3:22:40] Speaker 9: giving any context. You're just saying words. Big Look.
[3:22:43] Speaker 2: Look, if I'm going somewhere that you have a hard
[3:22:45] Speaker 2: time understanding, and I'm willing to break it down if
[3:22:47] Speaker 2: you want me to break it down, I'm not going
[3:22:48] Speaker 2: to just go up.
[3:22:49] Speaker 9: I want you to be more specific, right.
[3:22:52] Speaker 2: I will, I will, so I don't listen.
[3:22:54] Speaker 1: I think one of the reasons why these miscommunications happen
[3:22:57] Speaker 1: is because you've developed your own vocabulary to speak about things,
[3:23:01] Speaker 1: and you're using words in ways that they're not normally used,
[3:23:05] Speaker 1: or at least not used in the way that they
[3:23:06] Speaker 1: were developed to be used. So sometimes when you use
[3:23:10] Speaker 1: like these phrases, it might be best to clarify what
[3:23:13] Speaker 1: you actually mean.
[3:23:14] Speaker 9: Okay, gotcha, all right?
[3:23:16] Speaker 1: So what's a frequency band?
[3:23:19] Speaker 2: A frequency band is where energy comes to a point
[3:23:22] Speaker 2: where it comes together. And when I say energy, I
[3:23:25] Speaker 2: think of particles.
[3:23:27] Speaker 11: Right those?
[3:23:29] Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I mean if you think is wrong, I
[3:23:31] Speaker 2: mean if you can't elaborate, or do you want me
[3:23:33] Speaker 2: to continue because I know it hits a point I'm
[3:23:36] Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. If you want to elaborate
[3:23:37] Speaker 2: and tell me why.
[3:23:38] Speaker 1: Is wrong, or you want me to continue to finish,
[3:23:40] Speaker 1: this is my personal pearl harbor. So a frequency band
[3:23:43] Speaker 1: is so frequencies essentially moves in waves, they oscillate, right.
[3:23:48] Speaker 1: The band is usually the peak and the trough of
[3:23:52] Speaker 1: the oscillation. Like, so you might have a frequency that's
[3:23:55] Speaker 1: between five and twenty five hurts. That's a frequency band.
[3:23:58] Speaker 1: That's the limitation on the amplitude for that particular frequency.
[3:24:02] Speaker 9: Right.
[3:24:03] Speaker 1: So when I hear the words frequency band, I'm thinking, well,
[3:24:07] Speaker 1: it's just a certain frequency that has a bottom and
[3:24:10] Speaker 1: a lower limit.
[3:24:12] Speaker 2: Right, So you don't think that there's a limit to
[3:24:14] Speaker 2: where I wish you can exist within that frequency band.
[3:24:19] Speaker 1: No, I don't think we exist in a frequency band.
[3:24:22] Speaker 2: Know. It's like, for example, like music can't be seen
[3:24:26] Speaker 2: as a frequency band because it has certain hurts.
[3:24:29] Speaker 1: So when you have vibrations, so.
[3:24:31] Speaker 2: When you got headphones in or you actually like this song,
[3:24:34] Speaker 2: you're existing within that song as you're listening to it. No, No, no,
[3:24:37] Speaker 2: we're not in the song, So you're taking all that
[3:24:40] Speaker 2: because because the song is given off energy, that's why
[3:24:44] Speaker 2: you're feeling.
[3:24:45] Speaker 1: The NFL place the speaker in my ear like this,
[3:24:48] Speaker 1: This speaker is giving off energy, and the pulses from
[3:24:52] Speaker 1: that speaker, the air pulses are pulsing on my ear drum, right,
[3:24:58] Speaker 1: So that's the only like the only energy being had
[3:25:01] Speaker 1: is like my ear drum being acted upon by airwaves.
[3:25:06] Speaker 2: But so do you not think that the pulses within
[3:25:09] Speaker 2: your speaker is filtering out some energy for you to
[3:25:11] Speaker 2: single out and understand that why it's pulsing or it
[3:25:14] Speaker 2: is just pulsing, that's what it's programmed to do.
[3:25:16] Speaker 1: It's pulsive because of electromagnetic induction, which causes a coil
[3:25:23] Speaker 1: to induce a field around a magnet, and it produces
[3:25:27] Speaker 1: because of the way the you know, audio works, it
[3:25:30] Speaker 1: produces a wave that is proportional to a sound frequency,
[3:25:35] Speaker 1: and it causes the speaker to move that is proportional
[3:25:38] Speaker 1: to that sine wave and those pulses of air, not filtering,
[3:25:42] Speaker 1: those pulses of air then get pushed into our ear
[3:25:46] Speaker 1: drums and that's how we hear things. But there's no
[3:25:48] Speaker 1: filtering happening.
[3:25:50] Speaker 18: Because but you but you mentioned electromatic frequencies.
[3:25:53] Speaker 2: It's filtering those frequencies.
[3:25:55] Speaker 1: No, No, it's not filtering anything. It's it's producing.
[3:25:58] Speaker 18: So where so where did the elect matty frequencies come
[3:26:02] Speaker 18: from them?
[3:26:02] Speaker 1: It's being produced. It is being produced by the conductor
[3:26:07] Speaker 1: within the earphones. Yeah, yeah, it's being produced, not filtered.
[3:26:11] Speaker 18: So so electromataty energy is not intrinsic.
[3:26:14] Speaker 2: I'm gonna say that's just but I when I say,
[3:26:16] Speaker 2: I mean natural, it's not natural to existence electromatic frequency energy.
[3:26:20] Speaker 1: No, it does exist in nature. That's I mean, we
[3:26:23] Speaker 1: can just find electricity in nature, like in the human body.
[3:26:26] Speaker 1: Sarah knows, she's a physiologist. EM's knows the body has electricity.
[3:26:30] Speaker 1: It's just intrinsic. But the question is what is the
[3:26:34] Speaker 1: nature of hearing? And the nature of hearing isn't filtering
[3:26:37] Speaker 1: anything out?
[3:26:39] Speaker 2: Yes, it is because for us to have a conversation,
[3:26:42] Speaker 2: some like for you to to have a response, you're
[3:26:46] Speaker 2: filtering what I'm saying so you can word it in
[3:26:48] Speaker 2: a way that you understand it when you respond.
[3:26:50] Speaker 1: What do you think the word what do you think
[3:26:52] Speaker 1: the word filter means?
[3:26:54] Speaker 2: Filter means to it's a process that which when you
[3:26:58] Speaker 2: it's like when you're talking to me. I'm listening to you, right,
[3:27:01] Speaker 2: and I'm filtering what you're saying, like it's like work,
[3:27:04] Speaker 2: like like like how you said some words that I'm
[3:27:06] Speaker 2: saying don't make sense, Like it's not adding up because
[3:27:08] Speaker 2: it's not. It's being filtered.
[3:27:11] Speaker 9: It is because you're due to liberty.
[3:27:12] Speaker 2: The way is coming to. It's coming to because it's
[3:27:15] Speaker 2: being filtered through your senses. But from my understanding, it's
[3:27:18] Speaker 2: not making sense to you because I'm not saying it
[3:27:20] Speaker 2: in a way that it makes sense to you. And
[3:27:22] Speaker 2: now I'm trying to word it in a way that
[3:27:24] Speaker 2: it does, So I.
[3:27:24] Speaker 17: May that's a general questioning, y'all.
[3:27:27] Speaker 18: I don't want to lose y'all. But yeah, I'm just
[3:27:30] Speaker 18: we're listening.
[3:27:31] Speaker 17: You are just you are describing to us some natural
[3:27:35] Speaker 17: functions with some extra words. Is your general perspective that
[3:27:41] Speaker 17: the way the world works, the way we see and
[3:27:44] Speaker 17: hear an experience, that the whole thing is supernatural in
[3:27:49] Speaker 17: some way? Like are you trying to get us to
[3:27:50] Speaker 17: understand that you think something sort of magical is happening.
[3:27:54] Speaker 2: I don't necessarily look at it as magical or supernatural
[3:27:58] Speaker 2: because it's it's just happens. It's not necessarily just happens though,
[3:28:02] Speaker 2: it's all it all has a.
[3:28:07] Speaker 17: A design, like what you believe this energy in like
[3:28:13] Speaker 17: one sentence, like summarize your world in one sentence.
[3:28:19] Speaker 18: All it is boiled down to what occurs after death?
[3:28:22] Speaker 17: Okay, what occurs after death?
[3:28:24] Speaker 2: Okay? Boom. So this is where it all ends for me,
[3:28:26] Speaker 2: and then y'all can go on about.
[3:28:28] Speaker 1: So I want to hear this conversation, but I apologize.
[3:28:30] Speaker 1: I have to step out and relieve myself. But please
[3:28:33] Speaker 1: keep this going. I can hear the whole thing.
[3:28:35] Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, So I'm gonna summarize it. So what I
[3:28:38] Speaker 2: think occurs what I feel like. I don't think it
[3:28:41] Speaker 2: occurs for everybody, but you know, because we all have
[3:28:42] Speaker 2: our personal understandings of what occurs.
[3:28:45] Speaker 18: But what I feel occurs in dream. I mean, uh,
[3:28:50] Speaker 18: when you're unlive, is you.
[3:28:53] Speaker 2: Enter into a state your your your body will enter
[3:28:56] Speaker 2: into well as your as your soul is leaving your body,
[3:28:59] Speaker 2: it enter into a state of hyperreaction.
[3:29:02] Speaker 11: Right.
[3:29:03] Speaker 2: It doesn't just shut off, like even when you get
[3:29:06] Speaker 2: unalive to the head. It doesn't just shut off, Matt.
[3:29:09] Speaker 2: It doesn't just like a light switch. It's the process
[3:29:12] Speaker 2: that which it was still processes going on with your
[3:29:14] Speaker 2: body as that as that action happened, right, It didn't
[3:29:19] Speaker 2: just shut off. So there was an occurrence that happened.
[3:29:22] Speaker 2: It was a process at which your body began to
[3:29:25] Speaker 2: wind down and then you're you're able to your your
[3:29:29] Speaker 2: your frequency energy. I'm gonna just say, well, I'm gonna
[3:29:33] Speaker 2: just say energy because I don't want to keep mixing
[3:29:34] Speaker 2: two words up. But energy, it's all energy, right. Your
[3:29:37] Speaker 2: energy is now able to merge with your soul because
[3:29:40] Speaker 2: it's not connected to the body no more. Your consciousness
[3:29:42] Speaker 2: is not filtered through your body no more. It's now
[3:29:47] Speaker 2: your soul.
[3:29:48] Speaker 1: Okay.
[3:29:48] Speaker 17: So what you're saying is when we passed away, our
[3:29:53] Speaker 17: soul leaves our body.
[3:29:55] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am.
[3:29:56] Speaker 17: And where does it go?
[3:29:58] Speaker 2: It goes to a What happens is is like this
[3:30:02] Speaker 2: is where uh do y'all? Do y'all understand what I
[3:30:06] Speaker 2: mean by frequency bands? Or should I use the word
[3:30:08] Speaker 2: dimensions instead?
[3:30:10] Speaker 17: Would be much clear?
[3:30:11] Speaker 1: Okay?
[3:30:11] Speaker 9: Gotcha?
[3:30:12] Speaker 2: All right? So the next dimension up that we experienced
[3:30:17] Speaker 2: even in the dream state is the fourth dimension. That's
[3:30:19] Speaker 2: why that's why it appears that way sometimes like even
[3:30:22] Speaker 2: having nightmares, or sometimes it's hard to move in the
[3:30:24] Speaker 2: dream state, or sometimes things are happening too fast. Sometimes
[3:30:28] Speaker 2: it's just black and white. Sometimes it's just dark. Sometimes
[3:30:30] Speaker 2: you do see colors, right, so look and you see
[3:30:36] Speaker 2: how but but but not, I said to the shadow realm,
[3:30:39] Speaker 2: that's what the I'm not going to go into that though,
[3:30:42] Speaker 2: but that's what beings that study these things like beings
[3:30:47] Speaker 2: that are I'm not going to go into that. Bro,
[3:30:48] Speaker 2: I'm not going to go.
[3:30:48] Speaker 9: Into for me, I'm unable to travel through this channel.
[3:30:54] Speaker 9: You are you able to what we're able to travel with?
[3:30:57] Speaker 1: Who?
[3:30:57] Speaker 9: Dimensions like you work?
[3:30:58] Speaker 11: Yeah?
[3:30:59] Speaker 2: You are? You are everybody years.
[3:31:00] Speaker 9: But what are you doing to dream?
[3:31:01] Speaker 13: Then?
[3:31:02] Speaker 15: Hmm?
[3:31:04] Speaker 9: That were doing no dream? If I'm heple do trible
[3:31:06] Speaker 9: dimensions like you are.
[3:31:08] Speaker 2: Okay, you don't dream because there's a frequency block.
[3:31:13] Speaker 9: But what is a frequency blow?
[3:31:14] Speaker 2: But I'm not trying to diagnose you though. I'm not
[3:31:16] Speaker 2: here to dark and I'm just coming from my standpoint, okay,
[3:31:18] Speaker 2: and you ask the question, so I'm not diagnosing you
[3:31:19] Speaker 2: in nothing, all right, This is just from what I know,
[3:31:22] Speaker 2: Like you're not able to I'm sorry.
[3:31:24] Speaker 17: Before you go in, I want to focus on what
[3:31:27] Speaker 17: you just said. So what is your evidence that this
[3:31:32] Speaker 17: is happening, that we.
[3:31:34] Speaker 2: All of this?
[3:31:35] Speaker 17: How did you arrive at these conclusions?
[3:31:37] Speaker 2: Okay? Should I just go into how I came to
[3:31:40] Speaker 2: this like, because it goes, it goes. I'm gonna summarize
[3:31:43] Speaker 2: it as fast as.
[3:31:44] Speaker 1: Because this is important because we've got a medical doctor
[3:31:47] Speaker 1: and a PhD. Physiologist on the board right now, so listen,
[3:31:52] Speaker 1: maybe we can discover something new. I've never heard of
[3:31:55] Speaker 1: a frequency block.
[3:31:57] Speaker 2: Okay, gotcha? All right, So this is what how I
[3:32:00] Speaker 2: got to this study, right, I'm just I'm gonna just
[3:32:03] Speaker 2: I'm gonna summarize it. But it's all important. Okay, just
[3:32:05] Speaker 2: try to if you need me to stop and evaluate,
[3:32:08] Speaker 2: I got you, Okay. So this all started at nine
[3:32:11] Speaker 2: years old. I seen I seen I seen these beings. Bro.
[3:32:15] Speaker 2: I was in the back of my mom car when
[3:32:17] Speaker 2: I woke like and it wasn't a dream. I woke
[3:32:19] Speaker 2: up and I and I opened the door to run
[3:32:20] Speaker 2: away because I was scared.
[3:32:21] Speaker 9: What was that?
[3:32:22] Speaker 11: Right?
[3:32:23] Speaker 2: I woke up and I looked out the window because
[3:32:25] Speaker 2: they left me in the car. I fell asleep and
[3:32:26] Speaker 2: I went to the third row. It was twelve o'clock
[3:32:28] Speaker 2: at night. They left me in the car and I
[3:32:30] Speaker 2: woke up and looked up and I said what the
[3:32:33] Speaker 2: And I was like, Mom, Mom, where are mam gone?
[3:32:36] Speaker 1: Where she upstairs?
[3:32:36] Speaker 9: Sleep?
[3:32:37] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. We picked up my dad
[3:32:38] Speaker 2: at twelve am and that it was probably two am,
[3:32:41] Speaker 2: and I took a nap. So I woke up and
[3:32:42] Speaker 2: see so and I'm seeing and what I seen was
[3:32:45] Speaker 2: like it was like and it wasn't a dream, bro
[3:32:48] Speaker 2: like because I remember everything that I did to get
[3:32:50] Speaker 2: out of that.
[3:32:50] Speaker 9: Uh was okay?
[3:32:53] Speaker 1: God?
[3:32:53] Speaker 2: So when I looked when I seen it, it was
[3:32:57] Speaker 2: like white, like you know what ghosts looked like, like
[3:32:59] Speaker 2: they floating there. Actually I don't.
[3:33:01] Speaker 1: I don't know what it goes looks like because I've
[3:33:03] Speaker 1: never seen one.
[3:33:04] Speaker 18: Okay, So yeah, when I was six years nine years old.
[3:33:07] Speaker 9: When it is a frequency blunk justin no, no, no.
[3:33:10] Speaker 2: Don't do that. Bro, don't do that. Bro, don't don't
[3:33:12] Speaker 2: don't mock me. Bro, don't mock me, because I'm not
[3:33:13] Speaker 2: here to publish.
[3:33:16] Speaker 1: You've been good, You've been good.
[3:33:17] Speaker 2: Sorry, you asked me a question and I'm trying to
[3:33:20] Speaker 2: I'm giving you my like, my mind. I'm not saying
[3:33:22] Speaker 2: that's what it is, but that's just what I know,
[3:33:23] Speaker 2: because y'all ask any questions on it. So I'm not
[3:33:25] Speaker 2: saying it's right or wrong.
[3:33:27] Speaker 8: This is just what I know.
[3:33:28] Speaker 2: And this is why I stand where I stand because
[3:33:30] Speaker 2: I've had experiences and it led me to this, right.
[3:33:32] Speaker 2: So yeah, but yeah, out the back of it, and
[3:33:36] Speaker 2: mind you, I remember the car. It was a twenty
[3:33:38] Speaker 2: thirteen d highlight I was in, right, I woke up
[3:33:41] Speaker 2: and I seen it out. Okay, So when it was
[3:33:42] Speaker 2: a goat, it was three ghosts floating around a deep
[3:33:45] Speaker 2: freezer with a candle in the middle of them, like
[3:33:48] Speaker 2: it was on a corner, so in a deep freezer. No,
[3:33:51] Speaker 2: around a deep freezer, like on a corner, on the
[3:33:53] Speaker 2: corner of the deep freezer.
[3:33:55] Speaker 1: But I've never seen an outdoor deep freezer. Can you
[3:33:57] Speaker 1: help me out here.
[3:33:59] Speaker 2: It's in the garage deep freeze like a white a
[3:34:01] Speaker 2: big white box. You plug it into the wall and
[3:34:03] Speaker 2: it's like it's like you open it and it's you know,
[3:34:05] Speaker 2: you put stuff in there and freeze.
[3:34:08] Speaker 1: Just a freezer. Okay, okay, yeah.
[3:34:11] Speaker 18: Yeah, uh so and they standing around it okay, and
[3:34:14] Speaker 18: I'm like, huh mo, where are you?
[3:34:17] Speaker 2: So I went ran to the door.
[3:34:19] Speaker 3: It was locked.
[3:34:20] Speaker 2: I went back to the car and grabbed a nickel,
[3:34:22] Speaker 2: and I was like, okay. I got in and turned
[3:34:24] Speaker 2: around and it was gone right. Ran upstairs and told
[3:34:26] Speaker 2: him I went to sleep working with more than my
[3:34:28] Speaker 2: mom I seen. And you know, I'm nine years old,
[3:34:30] Speaker 2: so I wasn't Christianity around that time too, So I
[3:34:33] Speaker 2: thought there was angels. And then my grandma said you
[3:34:35] Speaker 2: could you can only tell by your faith. If he
[3:34:37] Speaker 2: was scared, then then then there was demons. So I mean,
[3:34:40] Speaker 2: I'm young. You know, I'm gible at that point. So
[3:34:42] Speaker 2: I'm like, it's my grandma. You know, I'm learning from
[3:34:44] Speaker 2: my uh my, uh, I'm learning from my elders, right. So,
[3:34:48] Speaker 2: and I'm nine years old, so I can't necessarily you're
[3:34:50] Speaker 2: making my own assumptions in a way, like like I'm
[3:34:53] Speaker 2: still under the authority of my parents and being right.
[3:34:57] Speaker 2: So when I when they said it, I was like, well,
[3:34:59] Speaker 2: I was he said it was demons, right, But now
[3:35:01] Speaker 2: I'm looking at it like what if I just didn't
[3:35:03] Speaker 2: have knowledge of what it actually was, so I can
[3:35:05] Speaker 2: make a general assumption of me a better assumption, rather
[3:35:10] Speaker 2: than just saying because I was.
[3:35:11] Speaker 17: Scared, I apologize for interrupting. I just want to make
[3:35:14] Speaker 17: sure I understand. So you had an experience where you
[3:35:19] Speaker 17: saw something that you couldn't explain. No, no, no, I
[3:35:22] Speaker 17: claimed it, and then later on you're saying you've got
[3:35:26] Speaker 17: different knowledge.
[3:35:27] Speaker 6: Right, so you have aation.
[3:35:29] Speaker 17: Now where did you get that different knowledge?
[3:35:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, I just told you it was my grandma different Christianity.
[3:35:37] Speaker 17: No no, I mean now right now, you look back
[3:35:39] Speaker 17: on it after I.
[3:35:40] Speaker 2: So look, now, after I went through that, skip forward
[3:35:44] Speaker 2: to Okay, my dad left at ten boom. I'm not
[3:35:46] Speaker 2: going into that E left boom. So now I'm lost.
[3:35:48] Speaker 2: I need help, you know, I need direction. I want
[3:35:50] Speaker 2: to do right by the world. I'm an outgoing child.
[3:35:53] Speaker 2: I smile a lot. This is just who I am.
[3:35:54] Speaker 17: I'm not just being I'm sorry, but I'm not asking
[3:35:58] Speaker 17: like I got your story is for that. I'm just
[3:36:01] Speaker 17: where's the information?
[3:36:04] Speaker 2: Trying to skim through. I'm skimming through it to get
[3:36:06] Speaker 2: to that point I got you. I'm trying to I'm
[3:36:07] Speaker 2: skimming through it to show you how I got to
[3:36:08] Speaker 2: this point to where Now I know the information I
[3:36:11] Speaker 2: got the I got the papers right here.
[3:36:13] Speaker 17: But you know what I'm saying, this is information you're
[3:36:15] Speaker 17: reading somewhere.
[3:36:16] Speaker 2: That as a catalyst. You know what I'm saying.
[3:36:19] Speaker 17: Wait, No, I'm sorry. Is this something you have read
[3:36:22] Speaker 17: in a book?
[3:36:24] Speaker 2: What my experience?
[3:36:26] Speaker 8: Or no?
[3:36:27] Speaker 2: No, I'm telling you like frequency bands and energy and
[3:36:30] Speaker 2: all this.
[3:36:30] Speaker 17: Yeah, your interpretation of what happened? Did you read that somewhere?
[3:36:35] Speaker 2: No? No, no, listen, I'm getting to that. I'm trying to.
[3:36:38] Speaker 17: I need you to be more concise here.
[3:36:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm trying to. Before I evaluated on what my experiences,
[3:36:44] Speaker 2: I said, I'm gonna skim through it so that way,
[3:36:46] Speaker 2: and if you need help understand it, I'm stop. And
[3:36:49] Speaker 2: until you understand, I think.
[3:36:51] Speaker 17: You're you're misunderstanding the question. Though, I'm not asking for
[3:36:54] Speaker 17: how you how I got to I've got the information.
[3:36:57] Speaker 17: I'm asking what is the source of the Yeah.
[3:37:01] Speaker 2: Then when I came in, I said, it's the Malotia
[3:37:03] Speaker 2: that closure order teachings.
[3:37:05] Speaker 18: So what the Malo chiefs that Closter Emerald order teachings?
[3:37:09] Speaker 18: Freedom teachings another.
[3:37:10] Speaker 6: Way you say it as well, freedom teaching.
[3:37:13] Speaker 18: Yeah, teaching basically teaching us that the power is already
[3:37:16] Speaker 18: within us.
[3:37:17] Speaker 2: We just have a hard time because I don't know necessarily,
[3:37:20] Speaker 2: like when you say your imaginary God is imagery imaginary
[3:37:24] Speaker 2: because that's how that being came to us.
[3:37:27] Speaker 17: Wait, I'm sorry, what is a freedom teaching? Something that
[3:37:31] Speaker 17: is a book that you read on the internet with.
[3:37:33] Speaker 2: Yeah that too?
[3:37:34] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[3:37:34] Speaker 2: Uh huh Voyages went and two voyages Uh Sleeping Abductees
[3:37:38] Speaker 2: and Voyages Uh Voyages Volume two.
[3:37:41] Speaker 13: Uh.
[3:37:41] Speaker 2: Secrets of a mentee, a mentee, the sphere of a mentee,
[3:37:47] Speaker 2: the secrets of that, the secrets of the sphere of
[3:37:49] Speaker 2: AMENSI right, so uh uh. And those are my tangible
[3:37:54] Speaker 2: evidences as to why I know what I know now
[3:37:56] Speaker 2: and why I've seen things that I couldn't explain back
[3:37:59] Speaker 2: then but now I can't explain it because I wait
[3:38:01] Speaker 2: a second, adds up. It makes so much sense.
[3:38:04] Speaker 1: I found the document you're referring to. Uh, it is
[3:38:08] Speaker 1: in fact available on the internet.
[3:38:12] Speaker 2: Is it archive dot org? Because that's the best way
[3:38:13] Speaker 2: you it's free, so you got to buy it.
[3:38:15] Speaker 1: Well, the one I found was on a document, but
[3:38:18] Speaker 1: I guarantee it's on archive dot org, which I love.
[3:38:22] Speaker 3: Archive dot org.
[3:38:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, what I've done was so I don't know, keep
[3:38:25] Speaker 2: going into the internet.
[3:38:27] Speaker 1: Everything Angelic Realities. Is that the first one?
[3:38:30] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[3:38:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, that one too? Yeah, I got to get to
[3:38:32] Speaker 2: that one though, Yeah.
[3:38:33] Speaker 3: I need it all.
[3:38:33] Speaker 21: I gotta download that one and Voyagers one and two
[3:38:37] Speaker 21: one and too, yes, sir, yeah, and so uh this
[3:38:41] Speaker 21: is where you're getting these ideas from.
[3:38:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yes, sir?
[3:38:46] Speaker 1: Okay, Can I ask a question?
[3:38:50] Speaker 9: Yeah?
[3:38:50] Speaker 11: Feel free?
[3:38:52] Speaker 19: So it sounds like what you were saying earlier is
[3:38:55] Speaker 19: that you know, you felt as though years some years
[3:38:57] Speaker 19: ago you were mistaken and and you learn more and
[3:39:02] Speaker 19: so now you have different beliefs. Is I hearing that right?
[3:39:05] Speaker 2: No, I have different knowings, not beliefs. I don't believe
[3:39:08] Speaker 2: so I know though I know it, for it to
[3:39:10] Speaker 2: be true, that's what is knowledge. How doesn't it Well,
[3:39:16] Speaker 2: we're not gonna get it because that's the whole other conversation.
[3:39:18] Speaker 2: I don't Yeah. Yeah, And you could ask myself a
[3:39:22] Speaker 2: lot of what does.
[3:39:23] Speaker 19: It mean to know something?
[3:39:25] Speaker 2: You have tangible evidence as well as you look at
[3:39:28] Speaker 2: it from a neutral standpoint in order to pull more information.
[3:39:31] Speaker 2: Like me having a conversation with y'all, I'm not just
[3:39:33] Speaker 2: coming to y'all from my standpoint, I'm listening to y'all
[3:39:36] Speaker 2: so I can respond. If I'm coming to y'all from
[3:39:38] Speaker 2: my own standpoint in a way to where I'm trying
[3:39:40] Speaker 2: to make it seem like I'm right, then I can't
[3:39:42] Speaker 2: get it. I won't be able to have a conversation
[3:39:44] Speaker 2: with y'all. Right, So by me knowing, by me knowing,
[3:39:49] Speaker 2: I have to have tangible It's required for me to
[3:39:52] Speaker 2: have tangible evidence as well as a personal experience, as
[3:39:56] Speaker 2: well as being in a neutral state. So that way,
[3:40:00] Speaker 2: m hmm. Is it just because I'm thinking of it
[3:40:01] Speaker 2: this way? Is just why this happened? Or what if
[3:40:04] Speaker 2: I just sit back and like, I asked the question,
[3:40:06] Speaker 2: but I don't think I know the answer to the question.
[3:40:09] Speaker 2: Like it's like asking a question that I already know
[3:40:11] Speaker 2: the answer to. So when you answer it, I'm like, no, that's.
[3:40:13] Speaker 11: Not the answer.
[3:40:13] Speaker 2: It's not the answer. Then that's wrong. One question?
[3:40:16] Speaker 11: Do you understand that?
[3:40:18] Speaker 3: Do you?
[3:40:18] Speaker 8: Do?
[3:40:18] Speaker 11: You take it to me?
[3:40:19] Speaker 19: When somebody has a belief that generally speaking, there to
[3:40:23] Speaker 19: simply accepting a certain proposition to be true, that's what
[3:40:26] Speaker 19: a belief is. Okay, So how is knowledge different from belief?
[3:40:31] Speaker 2: Because knowledge is a catalyst. Knowledge is what catalyzes?
[3:40:37] Speaker 9: Do you know what?
[3:40:37] Speaker 2: Uh? Do you know what?
[3:40:38] Speaker 1: I'm sparks?
[3:40:39] Speaker 18: Knowledge sparks the coming of uh true knowing?
[3:40:48] Speaker 2: Knowledge?
[3:40:49] Speaker 19: You just you just do you realize you just use
[3:40:50] Speaker 19: the word knowledge in your definition of knowledge, which is certain.
[3:40:54] Speaker 2: Knowledge and knowing is like confused, what do we see?
[3:40:57] Speaker 1: Not?
[3:40:57] Speaker 2: So when you speak of knowledge, are you saying it
[3:40:59] Speaker 2: as like evidence that we see outside of us or
[3:41:02] Speaker 2: personal renditions.
[3:41:03] Speaker 19: Or well, I'm just asking your view. I don't know,
[3:41:06] Speaker 19: you know, just you know. I have some training in
[3:41:08] Speaker 19: philosophy and we think about this because this is a
[3:41:10] Speaker 19: study a topic in philosophy known as a pistemology, which
[3:41:12] Speaker 19: is the study of the theories of knowledge, and a
[3:41:15] Speaker 19: very commonly accepted definition of knowledge is justified true belief.
[3:41:19] Speaker 19: So I'm asking if that's your understanding of knowledge or
[3:41:21] Speaker 19: if you have some different understanding of what knowledge means.
[3:41:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think knowledge is what you just said
[3:41:26] Speaker 2: as well. But damn las of fact. I'm gonna go
[3:41:29] Speaker 2: off with what you say, bro, because I agree with
[3:41:31] Speaker 2: that knowledge is justifiable. That's what knowledge is. Yes, So
[3:41:35] Speaker 2: that means you have tangible evidence and resources as to
[3:41:38] Speaker 2: why your claim is true.
[3:41:39] Speaker 19: Okay, so I appreciate that. So my last thing because
[3:41:42] Speaker 19: I know we're not able, and.
[3:41:44] Speaker 2: I gave them the tangible evidence and resources of where
[3:41:46] Speaker 2: I got my information.
[3:41:47] Speaker 19: Well, we can touch on that in a second. I'm
[3:41:49] Speaker 19: sure Justin will get about evidence right, because like it
[3:41:53] Speaker 19: could be arguing very much that a book of some
[3:41:55] Speaker 19: kind is not necessarily evidence.
[3:41:56] Speaker 2: That's a claim.
[3:41:57] Speaker 19: But I have a more more I think, a more
[3:41:58] Speaker 19: foundational pivotal question, which is, to your understanding, what do
[3:42:03] Speaker 19: you think it is? You know that is like the
[3:42:06] Speaker 19: most reliable way for human beings in general to uh
[3:42:11] Speaker 19: separate fact from fiction and correct for error.
[3:42:15] Speaker 2: Go with the open mind and not be biased. That's
[3:42:17] Speaker 2: the best way.
[3:42:20] Speaker 19: Okay, But that's that's maybe a stance of your mind.
[3:42:22] Speaker 19: I mean, what's a what's a method? Is there a
[3:42:24] Speaker 19: most reliable method? Because you you you admit that human
[3:42:27] Speaker 19: beings make mistakes and reasoning right.
[3:42:32] Speaker 1: Mistakes?
[3:42:33] Speaker 2: Right?
[3:42:34] Speaker 6: Do do human beings have false beliefs?
[3:42:37] Speaker 2: False beliefs? No, people, everyone's belief is valid, you know,
[3:42:41] Speaker 2: because they believe it for a reason, they had certain industries.
[3:42:43] Speaker 19: That's not what I asked you, you know, I'm asking for.
[3:42:45] Speaker 19: Is it for a person to believe something and be incorrect.
[3:42:49] Speaker 2: False beliefs don't exist, though, Like what is the false belief?
[3:42:53] Speaker 19: I asked you because I want to get away from
[3:42:55] Speaker 19: the words and get to the meaning. So under your view,
[3:42:58] Speaker 19: is it possible for somebody to believe something to be
[3:43:01] Speaker 19: true but it's actually not true.
[3:43:05] Speaker 1: Like Santa Claus existing.
[3:43:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, it's possible to believe something like that because it
[3:43:10] Speaker 2: was totally okay, total to you.
[3:43:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, or Schmirder. But yeah, let's say, yeah, me too, Hm.
[3:43:21] Speaker 2: I believe I think Senaplogue exists.
[3:43:23] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, it.
[3:43:29] Speaker 19: Sounds like it sounds like we might be getting somewhere,
[3:43:31] Speaker 19: So give me two seconds. So it sounds like what
[3:43:33] Speaker 19: you're saying it is it is possible for a human
[3:43:35] Speaker 19: being to believe a certain thing to be true but
[3:43:38] Speaker 19: be mistaken about that about Yeah, it's like a had truth.
[3:43:43] Speaker 2: It's like a had truth distorted truth.
[3:43:45] Speaker 9: Right.
[3:43:46] Speaker 19: So you might think to yourself when you wake up
[3:43:48] Speaker 19: in the morning that it's raining outside, but all of
[3:43:51] Speaker 19: a sudden you discovered that that might have been your
[3:43:53] Speaker 19: phone or something, and you look outside and you go, oh,
[3:43:55] Speaker 19: it's not raining. So you were mistaken in that case, correct, Yeah, yeah.
[3:43:58] Speaker 2: You was like, man, what the heck? And I ran
[3:44:00] Speaker 2: outside I had a rain sound on.
[3:44:02] Speaker 3: So yeah, okay, yeah.
[3:44:04] Speaker 19: So my question then, is what would be a most
[3:44:07] Speaker 19: reliable method, right, not a state of mind, but a
[3:44:11] Speaker 19: method that other people can use to correct for error
[3:44:16] Speaker 19: and check to make sure that our beliefs are aligning
[3:44:18] Speaker 19: with reality in the best way possible according to your view.
[3:44:22] Speaker 1: Gotcha?
[3:44:22] Speaker 2: And uh it's like if I'm reading a book, I'm
[3:44:25] Speaker 2: not just reading it to believe it. I'm reading it
[3:44:29] Speaker 2: with an open mind and feeling what it is. And
[3:44:33] Speaker 2: I'm not just going off of oh this is oh
[3:44:35] Speaker 2: I feel God said this, and God said, nah, not
[3:44:38] Speaker 2: that as you're reading a book. Okay. A method is
[3:44:43] Speaker 2: like a practice. Is it a practice?
[3:44:46] Speaker 19: Well, let me give you a practice.
[3:44:48] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[3:44:48] Speaker 1: Let me use a concrete example to I think get
[3:44:51] Speaker 1: everybody on the same page.
[3:44:52] Speaker 9: Right.
[3:44:53] Speaker 1: So, for example, in the Holy Text that you're referring to,
[3:44:58] Speaker 1: it says that we have have a fifteen dimensional human anatomy.
[3:45:04] Speaker 1: Now we've got a medical doctor and a physiologist on
[3:45:08] Speaker 1: the panel.
[3:45:10] Speaker 2: And who is that? Who is a physical a doctor?
[3:45:13] Speaker 1: And uh so MS is a medical doctor and leaving
[3:45:17] Speaker 1: Faith is a physiologist. Both both of them hold a doctorate,
[3:45:23] Speaker 1: and I don't think either one of them are under
[3:45:25] Speaker 1: the impression that the human body has a fifteen dimension anatomy. Right,
[3:45:34] Speaker 1: So I think what Aaron is trying to suggest here
[3:45:37] Speaker 1: is we can have a belief, but at some point
[3:45:40] Speaker 1: we have to apply some methodology to determining whether or
[3:45:44] Speaker 1: not that belief is warranted. So what is what's the
[3:45:47] Speaker 1: methodology to warrant a belief? Like we have a fifteen
[3:45:52] Speaker 1: dimensional anatomy? What how do we get there?
[3:45:56] Speaker 2: Is meditation and is meditation and mythology method? It's a practice,
[3:46:01] Speaker 2: right he said? Philo said, meditation is a practice. I
[3:46:04] Speaker 2: mean method is a practice. Meditation is a practice.
[3:46:07] Speaker 8: It's a method.
[3:46:08] Speaker 2: Ef it's a method.
[3:46:09] Speaker 19: Ever, I use the word reliable, right, that's the most important.
[3:46:12] Speaker 19: How do we make sure that the method we're using
[3:46:14] Speaker 19: is not just any old method because some methods we
[3:46:16] Speaker 19: know are not reliable. I'm asking how do we use?
[3:46:19] Speaker 19: What method or methods do we use that we know
[3:46:22] Speaker 19: are reliable and could correct for error.
[3:46:27] Speaker 2: You have to have different sources as to which you
[3:46:29] Speaker 2: receive information, so you can be like, Okay, I learned
[3:46:32] Speaker 2: from this person, but this is why I'm here. So
[3:46:34] Speaker 2: I can look at it from your standpoint, and am
[3:46:36] Speaker 2: I missing anything?
[3:46:37] Speaker 19: Like is it like because like, well, the point that
[3:46:39] Speaker 19: I was trying to make just you know, it's kind
[3:46:41] Speaker 19: of coming back to when when we first started chatting,
[3:46:43] Speaker 19: which you mentioned something about science. You said, science is limited.
[3:46:47] Speaker 19: As far as I know, the most reliable method, whether
[3:46:50] Speaker 19: it's limited or not, I think that's not relevant. As
[3:46:52] Speaker 19: far as I know, the most reliable method that mankind
[3:46:55] Speaker 19: has for separating fact from fiction and correcting for error
[3:46:58] Speaker 19: is science. Every other method that is bogused.
[3:47:01] Speaker 2: And what science are you speaking of? Contemporary science? Metaphysical science?
[3:47:05] Speaker 2: This science? What science? Pseudoscience?
[3:47:07] Speaker 6: The scientific method?
[3:47:09] Speaker 2: And create about who?
[3:47:11] Speaker 3: What doctrine is that?
[3:47:12] Speaker 2: Where do the scientists method? It resonate?
[3:47:15] Speaker 1: The scientific method is?
[3:47:16] Speaker 19: It is a process.
[3:47:17] Speaker 1: It's a process that we've always engaged in, right when
[3:47:20] Speaker 1: we observe the world around us and make predictions and
[3:47:24] Speaker 1: hypotheses and then we test them to see if they
[3:47:27] Speaker 1: come true. So like, for example, in my job, sometimes
[3:47:31] Speaker 1: I design machines for living. Sometimes we have an idea
[3:47:34] Speaker 1: and we say, hey, it should be possible for us
[3:47:37] Speaker 1: to design a machine that does X, Y and Z
[3:47:39] Speaker 1: based on what we know and then we try to
[3:47:42] Speaker 1: design that thing to do X Y and z, and
[3:47:46] Speaker 1: then if it doesn't work, well, shit, we learned something
[3:47:48] Speaker 1: that it doesn't work. If it does work, that means
[3:47:50] Speaker 1: our theory was true. This is essentially the scientific process.
[3:47:54] Speaker 1: We observe the world around this and we say, based
[3:47:56] Speaker 1: on what we observe, we can make a prediction this
[3:47:59] Speaker 1: should happen and this thing should occur. If X, Y
[3:48:02] Speaker 1: and Z happened, then A B C should be the result.
[3:48:05] Speaker 4: Then we do X Y and Z and c.
[3:48:07] Speaker 1: If A B and C is the result and so
[3:48:09] Speaker 1: but this we refer to the scientific process. But it's
[3:48:12] Speaker 1: always been happening through all of human history.
[3:48:15] Speaker 2: Okay, right, so when you say X Y and z, uh,
[3:48:19] Speaker 2: this is what when we do X y and z
[3:48:21] Speaker 2: to get to the to the to the root cause
[3:48:24] Speaker 2: and answer, my X Y and Z is external research,
[3:48:29] Speaker 2: which is by paper talking to y'all. It's also coming
[3:48:34] Speaker 2: from a neutral standpoint, which is my ex is the
[3:48:38] Speaker 2: external research, right, My why is the neutral standpoint? My
[3:48:43] Speaker 2: Z is the goal within and consulting and making it
[3:48:46] Speaker 2: sure like, am I is this something that I want
[3:48:48] Speaker 2: to continue to study when I exit this work?
[3:48:51] Speaker 17: None of that is is science and none of it
[3:48:55] Speaker 17: is an experiment. May I ask, when what was the
[3:48:59] Speaker 17: last Well.
[3:49:00] Speaker 1: How can you say?
[3:49:01] Speaker 2: How can you say? How can you say what I'm
[3:49:04] Speaker 2: saying isn't an experiment? When I'm conducting experiments on myself
[3:49:07] Speaker 2: to make sure I'm not lying to myself.
[3:49:10] Speaker 17: You haven't described anything that is an experiment.
[3:49:12] Speaker 2: You have just asserted that list. My experiment is talking
[3:49:19] Speaker 2: to y'all.
[3:49:20] Speaker 17: That's not an experiment.
[3:49:22] Speaker 2: Studying this paper, going within and you in the world
[3:49:25] Speaker 2: and looking at the world from an observative standpoint rather
[3:49:28] Speaker 2: than just bias and saying the world is the way
[3:49:29] Speaker 2: it is because it's how it is. Will So why
[3:49:32] Speaker 2: do we have super societies?
[3:49:35] Speaker 17: Will you answer my question about your science education?
[3:49:38] Speaker 2: Okay, so from the science, highest level of science you've
[3:49:42] Speaker 2: taken when I started, Okay, look, science was one of
[3:49:45] Speaker 2: my favorite subjects, right, but it got on my nerves.
[3:49:47] Speaker 2: I stopped studying the school the way science was taught
[3:49:51] Speaker 2: to us from school, and it was in ninth grade
[3:49:54] Speaker 2: because I got I got tired of the periodic table. Yeah,
[3:49:59] Speaker 2: have you finished?
[3:50:00] Speaker 11: I got?
[3:50:01] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[3:50:01] Speaker 2: Yeah, I graduated. Have I had more than enough credits?
[3:50:03] Speaker 9: You know?
[3:50:03] Speaker 2: I graduated, but purpose. Look, I personally left high school
[3:50:07] Speaker 2: to go to military school because I just couldn't do
[3:50:09] Speaker 2: sitting behind a desk no more. It just made like
[3:50:14] Speaker 2: what we were talking about wasn't interactive, you know, like
[3:50:18] Speaker 2: it wasn't interactive.
[3:50:21] Speaker 19: So the point that I was making really quick, I know,
[3:50:22] Speaker 19: Justin's going to jump in here, is reliability. That's extremely
[3:50:26] Speaker 19: important because if we have a process that is not reliable,
[3:50:30] Speaker 19: that's shown over time independently, right, other people test that
[3:50:35] Speaker 19: method and it turns out that that method is not reliable, right,
[3:50:38] Speaker 19: we should toss that method because it doesn't get us.
[3:50:40] Speaker 11: We're willing to go now.
[3:50:42] Speaker 19: So if I have a method that says I'm going
[3:50:44] Speaker 19: to do a self test, we know over the history
[3:50:48] Speaker 19: of humanity that that method is not reliable. We need
[3:50:51] Speaker 19: independent testing, independent verification to check for error. And the
[3:50:56] Speaker 19: method that it sounds like the method that you just
[3:50:58] Speaker 19: described to us is just that thing and it's not reliable.
[3:51:01] Speaker 2: How isn't it reliable if I'm looking at the world
[3:51:03] Speaker 2: and the things that.
[3:51:04] Speaker 19: We because people have a tendency to to to make errors.
[3:51:09] Speaker 2: So, so okay, my fact, I would like to know
[3:51:13] Speaker 2: some uh, some methods that y'all use in order to
[3:51:16] Speaker 2: conduct research, so I can try to use and.
[3:51:19] Speaker 1: I'll give you one. Yeah, this is I'll give you
[3:51:23] Speaker 1: one because I think this helps to demonstrate when we're
[3:51:26] Speaker 1: talking about spiritual matters. This helps to demonstrate the difference
[3:51:30] Speaker 1: between reading a book and doing the real science experiment.
[3:51:34] Speaker 11: Right.
[3:51:34] Speaker 1: So the lady who wrote the books you're referring to,
[3:51:38] Speaker 1: Ashiana Dean, as far as gonna tell, has no education,
[3:51:41] Speaker 1: she has no idea what she's doing. But real people
[3:51:44] Speaker 1: on hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
[3:51:47] Speaker 1: hold on. Real people who study science as a profession,
[3:51:52] Speaker 1: like that's what they do all day, have tried to
[3:51:55] Speaker 1: conduct experiments to see if there are supernatural events. So
[3:52:00] Speaker 1: one of my favorite, and people who have been here
[3:52:02] Speaker 1: for a while know this already, is a love a
[3:52:05] Speaker 1: guy named Sam Parnia. He's a medical doctor. He wanted
[3:52:08] Speaker 1: to do research on near death experiences and see if
[3:52:11] Speaker 1: there's anything to this whole thing, and so he set
[3:52:14] Speaker 1: up hospital rooms. He had twenty five different hospitals to
[3:52:16] Speaker 1: participate in the first project, and then more in the
[3:52:18] Speaker 1: second project. And they put stuff in the hospital rooms
[3:52:22] Speaker 1: that you would only be able to observe if you,
[3:52:24] Speaker 1: in fact left your body. If you're sitting there on
[3:52:26] Speaker 1: the table getting resuscitated, you would not see them. And
[3:52:30] Speaker 1: then for a period of eight years, they recorded every
[3:52:34] Speaker 1: resuscitation they did and recorded if that person experienced leaving
[3:52:38] Speaker 1: their body or if they experienced a supernatural phenomenon, and
[3:52:41] Speaker 1: they basically gave them a quizz at the end of it.
[3:52:45] Speaker 1: This happened over the course of eight years, and then
[3:52:47] Speaker 1: they did another one that just terminated in twenty twenty
[3:52:50] Speaker 1: three is the Aware Project number one and the Aware
[3:52:52] Speaker 1: Project number two. And what they discovered is that many
[3:52:56] Speaker 1: people report leaving their body when they're having a new
[3:53:00] Speaker 1: death experience. Not one of them could actually validate that
[3:53:04] Speaker 1: by saying I observed the thing that I should be
[3:53:08] Speaker 1: able to observe if I did in fact leave my body.
[3:53:11] Speaker 1: And we've had a number of studies like this that
[3:53:13] Speaker 1: have been conducted where people are convinced that their experience
[3:53:18] Speaker 1: is true, but when they're asked to provide the evidence
[3:53:22] Speaker 1: that would confirm their experience, they're never capable of doing it.
[3:53:26] Speaker 1: That's a proper science experiment.
[3:53:29] Speaker 3: I got you yet, and it and.
[3:53:33] Speaker 2: From like when I when I like, as I'm listening
[3:53:36] Speaker 2: to what you're saying I'm also like like receiving like
[3:53:41] Speaker 2: information on it as well, Like I'm not just like
[3:53:43] Speaker 2: coming up with this stuff. I'm I'm neutral right now.
[3:53:45] Speaker 2: I'm not like, oh, this is no what he just
[3:53:47] Speaker 2: said was wrong. I'm just filtering. I'm just saying, nah,
[3:53:49] Speaker 2: what you said wash he conducted the research. People leave
[3:53:53] Speaker 2: their body, but they can't give us a count on
[3:53:55] Speaker 2: like what exactly occur when they'n't their body. They just
[3:53:57] Speaker 2: said they miss it.
[3:53:58] Speaker 1: Well, they tell us what they what happened. The problem
[3:54:01] Speaker 1: is they can't confirm the physical, hard evidence that would
[3:54:05] Speaker 1: validate it. And there's been other studies where they've they've
[3:54:08] Speaker 1: triggered purposely out of body experiences using deep brain stimulation
[3:54:12] Speaker 1: and using d MT. They've they've on purpose taken subjects
[3:54:17] Speaker 1: and triggered out of body experiences and asked them to
[3:54:20] Speaker 1: confirm things once they leave their body, and they never can.
[3:54:25] Speaker 2: They can't because their consciousness is not able to even
[3:54:27] Speaker 2: manufacture I mean it's not even able to form a
[3:54:32] Speaker 2: structure around it because their consciousness is being formed in
[3:54:35] Speaker 2: the body so long they don't understand how energy works.
[3:54:37] Speaker 2: When they leave.
[3:54:38] Speaker 1: They can't do it because they're hallucinating. They're not having
[3:54:41] Speaker 1: a real experience.
[3:54:42] Speaker 18: But the person literally just had a near death experience.
[3:54:45] Speaker 1: They didn't. They only believe that they're out of their body.
[3:54:48] Speaker 1: They're not actually out of their body.
[3:54:53] Speaker 2: So so what exactly did the study conduct? Like did
[3:54:57] Speaker 2: they like like like you said, they was put into
[3:55:00] Speaker 2: a deep like brain.
[3:55:05] Speaker 1: So there's regions of the brain that you can stimulate
[3:55:07] Speaker 1: that actually triggers people's spiritual experiences, including out of body
[3:55:12] Speaker 1: experiences and using deep brain stimulation, they've triggered people so
[3:55:16] Speaker 1: that they report leaving their body, but they know this
[3:55:22] Speaker 1: is an experiment, right, So they're told beforehand, if you
[3:55:26] Speaker 1: leave your body, turn around and tell us what you
[3:55:30] Speaker 1: can observe, because they have very clear identifying markers for
[3:55:34] Speaker 1: what they should be able to observe if they did
[3:55:37] Speaker 1: in fact leave their body. And these people get their
[3:55:41] Speaker 1: brain triggered, they claim they left their body, but they
[3:55:44] Speaker 1: can never report the actual physical observation that they should
[3:55:48] Speaker 1: be able to see. They can't do it right because.
[3:55:51] Speaker 2: Their consciousness is not able to be for their consciousness
[3:55:53] Speaker 2: doesn't have the ability to form within that confined a
[3:55:57] Speaker 2: system that they enter when they lift.
[3:56:00] Speaker 1: Philo dragen. What was the experiment you're referring to.
[3:56:04] Speaker 11: So this is actually a pretty easy one.
[3:56:06] Speaker 19: It's pretty intuitive as well. There are many I was
[3:56:09] Speaker 19: going to bring up David Blaine.
[3:56:10] Speaker 2: I don't know far with it. You know who David Blaine.
[3:56:13] Speaker 19: Is, okay, But there are many magicians around the world
[3:56:16] Speaker 19: that will go to third world countries and they will
[3:56:19] Speaker 19: do magic tricks on the street, and people there who
[3:56:23] Speaker 19: are unfortunately unlerted, they will be absolutely convinced that this
[3:56:28] Speaker 19: person has done the supernatural, when in reality they have not.
[3:56:32] Speaker 19: It's just that the people themselves have been tricked. And
[3:56:35] Speaker 19: the point I'm trying to make here, of course, is
[3:56:37] Speaker 19: that it is very possible and common, a common occurrence
[3:56:42] Speaker 19: that human beings are tricked by others and also can
[3:56:45] Speaker 19: trick themselves.
[3:56:47] Speaker 2: So so yeah, yeah, because I don't think magic the
[3:56:52] Speaker 2: way David Blaine was doing magic is not magic, Like
[3:56:55] Speaker 2: that's just doing like like like you know, the magic
[3:56:59] Speaker 2: trick is making making it it feel like your finger
[3:57:01] Speaker 2: came off. Like people will be like, dang, what the heck?
[3:57:03] Speaker 8: Like it looked real Like No.
[3:57:04] Speaker 2: I didn't come off, It just looked like I was
[3:57:08] Speaker 2: making people believed it, just as you do.
[3:57:11] Speaker 18: Yeah, so they come to a magic show to see magic,
[3:57:13] Speaker 18: so they gonna believe it.
[3:57:14] Speaker 19: No, no, no, no, no, no, that's not what I said.
[3:57:16] Speaker 11: He goes on the street.
[3:57:17] Speaker 19: They don't know who he is.
[3:57:19] Speaker 2: Oh gotcha, Okay, they don't.
[3:57:21] Speaker 19: I'm saying this, it's all within. I'm asking you to
[3:57:23] Speaker 19: think that critically. Like when you read a book that
[3:57:26] Speaker 19: says spirits and magic and this and this and this.
[3:57:28] Speaker 19: Instead of saying, oh, it just resounds with my previous beliefs,
[3:57:31] Speaker 19: why not stop and say, wait, hold on, I should
[3:57:33] Speaker 19: be skeptical.
[3:57:34] Speaker 2: Of this, which is what I Yeah, I am skeptical.
[3:57:36] Speaker 2: That's why we hear I'm still I'm still.
[3:57:39] Speaker 18: I'm still in a state of like, how does this
[3:57:42] Speaker 18: how does this even merge with things?
[3:57:44] Speaker 3: Like?
[3:57:45] Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying because if I was in
[3:57:46] Speaker 2: if I was seventeen, where I was worshiping ancient guys,
[3:57:49] Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to have this conversation because I
[3:57:51] Speaker 2: wasn't open minded, you know. So this study in a
[3:57:54] Speaker 2: way assisted me and keeping my mind open because look,
[3:57:57] Speaker 2: I'm gonna say you something. When I was early Look,
[3:58:00] Speaker 2: when I was studying this early on, I was I
[3:58:03] Speaker 2: was putting it in a in the sense of a doctrine,
[3:58:06] Speaker 2: like I mean a dogma. I was saying, this is right,
[3:58:08] Speaker 2: this is right, and I was like, wait a second,
[3:58:10] Speaker 2: soil down, because that's not what it's saying. It's not
[3:58:12] Speaker 2: telling me that it's a it's a dogma, but I'm
[3:58:14] Speaker 2: saying it's a dogma. So why am I? You know
[3:58:16] Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
[3:58:17] Speaker 18: So and that's why me having these conversations.
[3:58:24] Speaker 9: Speak you know what I'm saying, so when you do,
[3:58:26] Speaker 9: one was confused.
[3:58:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've actually gotten lost as well in this conversation,
[3:58:33] Speaker 1: and I think I think, listen, it's all within. You've
[3:58:37] Speaker 1: been perfectly nice and charitable to us, and we appreciate
[3:58:40] Speaker 1: you for that. But I think we might have reached
[3:58:42] Speaker 1: the end of what we can do in this conversation.
[3:58:45] Speaker 1: It might be time to move on.
[3:58:48] Speaker 2: I appreciate y'all for listening to y'all. I'll go to
[3:58:50] Speaker 2: the next live. I appreciate y'all man for real. I
[3:58:53] Speaker 2: feel like it really helped me, like articulate myself better
[3:58:56] Speaker 2: and not come from a because I'm not coming from
[3:58:58] Speaker 2: a one sided standpoint. I'm here to hear everybody.
[3:59:00] Speaker 1: We believe you, but you sound like a really nice guy.
[3:59:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm being real. This is who I am. I
[3:59:06] Speaker 2: walk around every day with this on my mind and
[3:59:09] Speaker 2: conversate with people about it to understand. Like wait a second, sure,
[3:59:12] Speaker 2: Like I just like you know what I'm saying. So
[3:59:14] Speaker 2: and I appreciate you all with listening, man, I really do. Man,
[3:59:16] Speaker 2: thank you' all.
[3:59:17] Speaker 1: Man Church have a going all right? He meant well,
[3:59:23] Speaker 1: he truly believed that stuff, right.
[3:59:27] Speaker 9: But a few more loss than I do. When the
[3:59:30] Speaker 9: doctor Boots is stunky.
[3:59:32] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, actually, uh, that's the same level of confusion
[3:59:35] Speaker 1: I'm having myself right now. But you know who would
[3:59:39] Speaker 1: have been a great for a conversation about extra dimensions
[3:59:42] Speaker 1: as doctor Bloz.
[3:59:46] Speaker 9: I do think he's snooky about the extra day like
[3:59:48] Speaker 9: the extra dimensions you can No, I don't think those
[3:59:52] Speaker 9: are the same.
[3:59:54] Speaker 1: All right, listen, here's what I'm gonna do. I've got
[3:59:57] Speaker 1: time for one more guest and then I'll read the
[3:59:59] Speaker 1: rest of the super Chain US after that, and then
[4:00:02] Speaker 1: I've got to be I got to shut down before
[4:00:05] Speaker 1: forty four forty five, So that's my that's my schedule.
[4:00:10] Speaker 1: So let me grab our last guests and we'll keep
[4:00:14] Speaker 1: the conversation moving along.
[4:00:15] Speaker 17: Here justin I gotta go.
[4:00:17] Speaker 1: Thank you for having me, Sarah. Thank you so much
[4:00:19] Speaker 1: for being guys. Make sure you're following leaving faith on
[4:00:21] Speaker 1: TikTok and on YouTube. Thank you so much for being her, Sarah.
[4:00:25] Speaker 13: Thank you.
[4:00:26] Speaker 1: Let us know when you do salty Saturdays.
[4:00:27] Speaker 17: Okay, oh yeah, okay maybe this Saturday.
[4:00:31] Speaker 1: Okay, we'll be there.
[4:00:33] Speaker 9: You must thank you.
[4:00:34] Speaker 3: More powerful than Jesus Christ, well.
[4:00:38] Speaker 9: All the power down, hell down, well all the power.
[4:00:42] Speaker 1: I think that statement for me is easy because I
[4:00:45] Speaker 1: don't think that he's alive. So saying that I've got
[4:00:48] Speaker 1: more powerful, I'm more power than a dead man is like.
[4:00:52] Speaker 2: That sounds just like what the Devil's kid to say.
[4:00:55] Speaker 8: His child speaks just like you.
[4:00:57] Speaker 1: Sure, thank you you, I mean, praise the dark Lord.
[4:01:00] Speaker 1: So what would be the evidence that Jesus is still alive?
[4:01:02] Speaker 9: I bet? I bet? But vengeance is the lord beast?
[4:01:07] Speaker 1: Yeah right, So would be the evidence that that Jesus
[4:01:10] Speaker 1: is Time is ticket the evidence of that time?
[4:01:16] Speaker 9: So you bow?
[4:01:18] Speaker 1: This guy can't be for real to the Master, take
[4:01:21] Speaker 1: your hell. I'm glad to go to help either.
[4:01:25] Speaker 2: Bow to your master, take your dirt bag ass to hell.
[4:01:30] Speaker 1: See at first, I thought you were a troll. Now
[4:01:32] Speaker 1: I don't know if you're. I'm a slave of Jesus
[4:01:36] Speaker 1: Christ the Father. Yeah I believe that. Yeah, you don't
[4:01:43] Speaker 1: know we you know the devil all right, So I
[4:01:48] Speaker 1: don't believe the devil exists either. So I bet you
[4:01:52] Speaker 1: what would be would be the evidence that any of
[4:01:55] Speaker 1: this is real?
[4:01:59] Speaker 2: You who told you to ask that your your big brother?
[4:02:03] Speaker 1: Homosexual government?
[4:02:05] Speaker 9: False democracy?
[4:02:06] Speaker 3: No they're not.
[4:02:07] Speaker 1: They're not homosexual government, but they are.
[4:02:09] Speaker 3: They are turning, they are turning the frog.
[4:02:11] Speaker 1: According to uh, Jesus is law.
[4:02:14] Speaker 9: You your fALS democracy will crumble.
[4:02:17] Speaker 1: Your God is trans You knew that, right, Jesus is law.
[4:02:21] Speaker 9: He I love everything God hates. Don't you know?
[4:02:25] Speaker 1: I'm saying that you're he Your God is trand you didn't.
[4:02:29] Speaker 2: Know that homo sexual prebomination. I said, listen past those
[4:02:34] Speaker 2: gay rights.
[4:02:34] Speaker 1: Listen. You're gonna get my live stream band and I'm
[4:02:37] Speaker 1: not allowed allowing that to happen. So you don't really
[4:02:41] Speaker 1: sound for real to me like you sound just like
[4:02:43] Speaker 1: a troll. And I'm not inclined to controls up here
[4:02:48] Speaker 1: to get my life taken down. So I'm just gonna
[4:02:51] Speaker 1: cut you move on. I'm gonna read some super chats though,
[4:02:53] Speaker 1: and get caught up on some super chats, and if
[4:02:56] Speaker 1: we have time left over, we'll grabbing another guest from
[4:02:58] Speaker 1: from the queue. Hopefully. I just nearly broke it all right,
[4:03:03] Speaker 1: maybe one second. Sorry, we got backed up a little
[4:03:06] Speaker 1: bit here, but mostly harmless. Harmless. Thank you for the supertest,
[4:03:11] Speaker 1: says Yo, please watch John Boys the Browns Live in Hell.
[4:03:16] Speaker 1: I assume it's a documentary on the Cleveland Browns. I've
[4:03:20] Speaker 1: not seen it, but I'll check into it. I'm making
[4:03:25] Speaker 1: some hasty assumptions about the doctor about the movie, but
[4:03:27] Speaker 1: I'll check into it and sewer sl I mean you're
[4:03:33] Speaker 1: using TikTok appropriate words. Thank you for the supertest, says
[4:03:36] Speaker 1: many guests make me wish cyclic existence is real. I listen,
[4:03:41] Speaker 1: I don't blame you for that, and I could not
[4:03:45] Speaker 1: agree more with this sentiment. Actually, and Eric Smith, thank
[4:03:50] Speaker 1: you for the supertest, says the tetrahedron is the second
[4:03:52] Speaker 1: coolest platonic solid right after tucking your bro in at night.
[4:03:58] Speaker 1: There's some stuff happening with that statement that I'm not
[4:04:01] Speaker 1: entirely sure I understand what I don't understand. Oh, I
[4:04:06] Speaker 1: caught it. Now I'm an idiot, I'm a dummy. Okay.
[4:04:09] Speaker 1: Platonic is the play on words here, okay, so a
[4:04:11] Speaker 1: touch ahedron is the second closest patonic solid get it
[4:04:14] Speaker 1: to talk about platonism and then platonic meaning friendly when
[4:04:20] Speaker 1: you tuck your bro in at night. Now I'm with you.
[4:04:23] Speaker 1: Amazing joke. Eric, I'm sorry I didn't catch it the
[4:04:26] Speaker 1: first time. Sometimes the best jokes go over my head
[4:04:31] Speaker 1: because sometimes I've been on the stream too long and
[4:04:35] Speaker 1: my brain isn't calibrated. It must be filtering. I've got
[4:04:38] Speaker 1: I've got a fourteenth dimensional block that's causing me to
[4:04:42] Speaker 1: filter out some of these these understandings. Julian says, who
[4:04:46] Speaker 1: remembers gospel Bill? Oh? I love Bill. Actually I posted
[4:04:49] Speaker 1: that clip shit probably two months ago. Now I still
[4:04:53] Speaker 1: love Bill. Bill was a man. And also Dora says
[4:05:00] Speaker 1: we need more action in DZ debates chat. Well, I
[4:05:03] Speaker 1: don't know if that's the case, but if you want
[4:05:05] Speaker 1: horizontal streaming, go to DZ debates. I'm streaming vertical and
[4:05:09] Speaker 1: horizontal simultaneously, vertical to the man account and horizontal to
[4:05:15] Speaker 1: the other account, to my horizonal account. DZ debates, go
[4:05:19] Speaker 1: check them out. And Northern Matt says, seems like all
[4:05:21] Speaker 1: religious beliefs can be debunked by simply reading their respective texts.
[4:05:25] Speaker 1: Why they tell you to believe in not read. So
[4:05:28] Speaker 1: this is really funny because like if you read the
[4:05:31] Speaker 1: early critics of Christianity, like if you read the writings
[4:05:34] Speaker 1: of Kelsis in his True Doctrines, he literally is makes
[4:05:37] Speaker 1: fun of the Christians for repeating that exact slogan, don't study,
[4:05:43] Speaker 1: just believe, don't don't criticize, just have faith, which has
[4:05:47] Speaker 1: always been a mantra since the beginning, right, don't use
[4:05:49] Speaker 1: your critical thinking, just believe and you'll be rewarded for it.
[4:05:52] Speaker 1: So this this trick goes back long ways. I highly
[4:05:56] Speaker 1: recommend reading True Doctrine by Kelsius Kelsis and Citizens says
[4:06:01] Speaker 1: he done lost his Doug damn mind, he might not
[4:06:05] Speaker 1: have ever had it if I'm being completely honest, and
[4:06:09] Speaker 1: Ruth says, praise Doug. My husband and I watch every episode.
[4:06:12] Speaker 1: Thanks for your work. We love your style. Allow for
[4:06:15] Speaker 1: the saute before the roast, truly enjoy leaving faith and listen, Ruth.
[4:06:20] Speaker 1: I agree M's and leaving faith and Aaron all great contributors,
[4:06:25] Speaker 1: contributors to the community, incredibly intelligent minds, and glam thank
[4:06:31] Speaker 1: you for the five dollars. Superten says crashing out for
[4:06:33] Speaker 1: Christ as usual. Well, I guess Jehovah, Yeah, crush, but
[4:06:37] Speaker 1: it doesn't roll off the tongue. We need another phrase
[4:06:40] Speaker 1: like cashing out for Christ, but we need one for Jehovah.
[4:06:44] Speaker 1: Maybe give me a second to think on that. We'll
[4:06:48] Speaker 1: say jumping jacks for Jehovah. We can do better. Someone
[4:06:51] Speaker 1: work on that. A Reverend Danger says glad drugs were
[4:06:54] Speaker 1: able to make the early stream listen as much as
[4:07:02] Speaker 1: we talk about that kind of nonsense, it's crazy that
[4:07:05] Speaker 1: we don't get banned even more often than we already
[4:07:07] Speaker 1: are banned. And Aarin, thank you for the ten that
[4:07:09] Speaker 1: supertest says, is God imortal that he should yap, Yet
[4:07:13] Speaker 1: Doug will dash all pieces into his silence, dashed to
[4:07:18] Speaker 1: all pieces even in his silence A Doug. Doug gave
[4:07:22] Speaker 1: y'all two ears and only one mouth. Therefore yall to
[4:07:25] Speaker 1: use them likewise. Brecia thirteen nine through ten. Listen, Aaron.
[4:07:31] Speaker 1: If you're not yet in our discord, please join the
[4:07:34] Speaker 1: discord so you can put these in our sub chat
[4:07:38] Speaker 1: for the Book of Doug. We need to collect all
[4:07:40] Speaker 1: these in the Book of Doug and Cryptic Pecktimee. Thank
[4:07:43] Speaker 1: you for the supertest, says A shadow realm equals yu
[4:07:46] Speaker 1: gi oh induced childhood trauma. I don't know what yu
[4:07:49] Speaker 1: gi oh means, but listen, I'm actually with you here.
[4:07:52] Speaker 1: I think the kid experienced something. You know, I don't
[4:07:57] Speaker 1: you know. I don't suspect that the repeat situation. It
[4:08:01] Speaker 1: sounds like it only happened once to him, but sounds
[4:08:03] Speaker 1: to me like he was in a dream state and
[4:08:05] Speaker 1: now he's he's willing to accept all kinds of crazy
[4:08:08] Speaker 1: hypotheses that explain his weird dream state. We've all been there,
[4:08:12] Speaker 1: We've all woken up from a dream and saw some
[4:08:14] Speaker 1: weird shit, but crazy leap to where he is now.
[4:08:19] Speaker 1: Match energy, thank you for the superchant says I had
[4:08:20] Speaker 1: to learn that animals don't like cages. I did not
[4:08:24] Speaker 1: know this as a kid. These things are definitely learned
[4:08:27] Speaker 1: one hundred percent through experience. That's that's my experience as well.
[4:08:31] Speaker 1: Like there's a lot of stuff we learned through experience,
[4:08:33] Speaker 1: and that's just all there is to it. And we
[4:08:35] Speaker 1: know for example, that people learn through experiences their default
[4:08:39] Speaker 1: position and Dex good to see your friend, Thank you
[4:08:42] Speaker 1: for being here, Thank you for sending out five DZ memberships.
[4:08:45] Speaker 1: Always on the spot with the memberships, Big Big W.
[4:08:48] Speaker 1: And if you're in the crack and Crew elite like DJ,
[4:08:51] Speaker 1: you have access to the DZ cheat sheet, so definitely
[4:08:55] Speaker 1: enjoy that. We got new updates coming soon. You're gonna
[4:08:58] Speaker 1: love it. And Jam says, always be careful unless you
[4:09:01] Speaker 1: can be Batman. In that case, be Batman. I love
[4:09:05] Speaker 1: the Dark Knight, one of my favorite villains, not villains
[4:09:09] Speaker 1: but superheroes, my dark superheroes. That's the word for it.
[4:09:12] Speaker 1: He's a great dark superhero. And Unnamed says every man
[4:09:16] Speaker 1: should strive to be like Justin Rockhard. For Doug, well,
[4:09:19] Speaker 1: I don't know if that's true, but I appreciate the
[4:09:22] Speaker 1: sediment for myself and for Doug, and I appreciate the support,
[4:09:26] Speaker 1: Big Big W. Thank you for being here, friend, and
[4:09:29] Speaker 1: let me grab We don't actually don't have that many
[4:09:33] Speaker 1: more left. We were doing a pretty good job of
[4:09:34] Speaker 1: keeping up on the super chats. And Adam says can
[4:09:37] Speaker 1: small Johnson pitch a tenth Oh oh shit, shots are fired. Okay, okay,
[4:09:43] Speaker 1: Adam is asking Ken small Johnson pitch a tenth though.
[4:09:47] Speaker 1: I'll let you know if I see him back at
[4:09:48] Speaker 1: the hub. Listen, for those who weren't here earlier, Small
[4:09:52] Speaker 1: Johnson was in the chat talking about being rock hard
[4:09:57] Speaker 1: for Doug while he was at work, and I said,
[4:09:59] Speaker 1: just don't pitch a tent. Now, Adam, who worked with
[4:10:01] Speaker 1: rock Hard? Was it rod Shit or Small Johnson? So
[4:10:05] Speaker 1: Adam who works with small Johnson's now asking the rightful question,
[4:10:09] Speaker 1: which is that warning might be a useless warning? Is
[4:10:12] Speaker 1: we're not entirely sure that small Johnson can actually pitch
[4:10:15] Speaker 1: a tent. This is a great observation. It just phenomenal. Nick,
[4:10:19] Speaker 1: Thank you for the super tech. Nick says justin would
[4:10:21] Speaker 1: you debate Andrew Wilson? Yeah, I would debate Andrew Wilson
[4:10:24] Speaker 1: any of the day of the week on the topics
[4:10:26] Speaker 1: that I debate. He doesn't debate the same topics as me,
[4:10:30] Speaker 1: Like he debates goofy shit like is Christianity good? Or
[4:10:34] Speaker 1: like should women be able to vote? These like the
[4:10:38] Speaker 1: just like bullshit, like like really dumb political gotcha arguments.
[4:10:45] Speaker 1: I don't think they're really related to religion. Typically they're
[4:10:48] Speaker 1: more like really crazy political positions, and to me, they
[4:10:53] Speaker 1: I don't know if he actually believes these positions. It's
[4:10:55] Speaker 1: almost like he's trolling people. If I had to be
[4:10:57] Speaker 1: honest and Flanker four twenty thank you for the super
[4:11:00] Speaker 1: chest says, do you see the current political climate as
[4:11:03] Speaker 1: the death throes of fundamentalism? Science and information is making
[4:11:07] Speaker 1: belief in fairy tales difficult? Could the Overton index shift
[4:11:11] Speaker 1: far left after this? So this is a really good
[4:11:14] Speaker 1: point because so for example, when I took Civics in
[4:11:16] Speaker 1: high school my senior year, I had a physics teacher
[4:11:19] Speaker 1: or a civics teacher that was talking about the nature
[4:11:22] Speaker 1: of politics, and she was suggesting that politics is really
[4:11:27] Speaker 1: much like a pendulum, Like it shifts all the way
[4:11:29] Speaker 1: to the left, and then it shifts all the way
[4:11:31] Speaker 1: to the right. It'll keep shifting until stuff gets broken
[4:11:34] Speaker 1: and people will get pissed off, and then it'll shift
[4:11:37] Speaker 1: the other way until stuff breaks and people get gets
[4:11:39] Speaker 1: pissed off. Now, this can be disrupted by misinformation, obviously, right,
[4:11:44] Speaker 1: but the pendulum does indeed shift. The question is, as
[4:11:48] Speaker 1: the pendulum is shifting, how much of this left word
[4:11:51] Speaker 1: movement gets retained versus the right word, the right ward movement.
[4:11:58] Speaker 1: And my personal opinion is that there is a very
[4:12:03] Speaker 1: long arc in the pendulum swing. The pendulum ise the
[4:12:07] Speaker 1: short arc, but there's a long long arc, you know,
[4:12:11] Speaker 1: like the hands of the clock is the long arc.
[4:12:14] Speaker 1: That long arc tends to bend towards justice and equity,
[4:12:20] Speaker 1: provided that there are not external extermination factors. Once you
[4:12:26] Speaker 1: add in fear and you know, the fear of being
[4:12:30] Speaker 1: exterminated or the fear of death, different things like that,
[4:12:33] Speaker 1: then the arc can be temporarily moved off course. But
[4:12:41] Speaker 1: I believe that the ultimate destination is typically towards liberalism.
[4:12:46] Speaker 1: F Dot, thank you for the superchest says, if God
[4:12:49] Speaker 1: is energy, does that mean that stuff was already here
[4:12:51] Speaker 1: when he came about some creator? This is actually a
[4:12:54] Speaker 1: really good question, f Dot, because for the people who
[4:12:57] Speaker 1: believe in this weird stuff like God is an energy,
[4:13:00] Speaker 1: you at that point you have to conclude that God
[4:13:03] Speaker 1: didn't create the energy, that he's manifest from the energy
[4:13:06] Speaker 1: or somehow that there's like, you know, the very nature
[4:13:10] Speaker 1: of God just is energy, and because God always existed,
[4:13:12] Speaker 1: energy always existed. But then you have to rethink this
[4:13:16] Speaker 1: idea of God as being the creator of all things.
[4:13:18] Speaker 1: If energy always existed, this is a very good observation.
[4:13:21] Speaker 1: If Dot and Tomer, thank you for the superchat, says
[4:13:24] Speaker 1: working on saying, oh my Doug and Doug bless you instinctively.
[4:13:28] Speaker 1: I've actually been doing the same. If you read my
[4:13:30] Speaker 1: text messages, I say, OMD says big Big w from Israel.
[4:13:35] Speaker 1: Absolutely love and appreciate what you do well. Tomer, thank
[4:13:38] Speaker 1: you so so much for being here and supporting. And
[4:13:41] Speaker 1: I hope you're doing well, and I hope you're safe
[4:13:43] Speaker 1: over there. And Santa Bark, thank you for the supertest,
[4:13:46] Speaker 1: says this time of day brings out a whole other
[4:13:49] Speaker 1: kind of caller. Hope the frequencies of your energy stay
[4:13:52] Speaker 1: in faith. I don't know if that guy was out
[4:13:56] Speaker 1: of the frequency band, but he was definitely nice enough,
[4:14:00] Speaker 1: but his thinking was being filtered by the wrong frequency band.
[4:14:03] Speaker 1: I would suggest, and Marcus your name, she thank you
[4:14:06] Speaker 1: so much for the ten that war supertenest says not
[4:14:08] Speaker 1: a theist, but for the alien suggestion why aren't angels
[4:14:13] Speaker 1: biblically considered alien? Based off of Job thirty eight four
[4:14:16] Speaker 1: through seven, angels existed before Earth, making them extratrustrial. Right, So,
[4:14:21] Speaker 1: definitionally speaking, I agree with you. Right, Sorry, I hit
[4:14:25] Speaker 1: my microphone. Definitionally speaking, I agree with you. If we're
[4:14:27] Speaker 1: just saying extratrustrial is something that existed off of this
[4:14:30] Speaker 1: particular planet and it came to this planet, then yes,
[4:14:35] Speaker 1: that matches the definition of an angel, because the angels,
[4:14:38] Speaker 1: according to Job thirty eight four, as you already pointed out,
[4:14:41] Speaker 1: where there were singing rejoicing when God created the heavens
[4:14:45] Speaker 1: and the earth, and the angels were there to witness it.
[4:14:48] Speaker 1: According to Job, so that would mean that both God
[4:14:53] Speaker 1: and the angels are all classified as extraterrestrials. And these
[4:14:57] Speaker 1: goofy ancient alien theorists will say the same, and they'll say, no, no, no,
[4:15:00] Speaker 1: the extra trust shoals that we hear about in history
[4:15:03] Speaker 1: and through modern visions, they're actually deities. That's the whole
[4:15:07] Speaker 1: basis of the theory. Will like Mammoth says testing one,
[4:15:11] Speaker 1: two three, justin are you filtering this? I am I'm
[4:15:14] Speaker 1: not filtering this, Willlite Mammoth, thank you so much for
[4:15:17] Speaker 1: the superchat. And if I got backed up a little
[4:15:19] Speaker 1: bit on the super chats, I apologize, that's my bad.
[4:15:22] Speaker 1: I'm trying to keep up with them as best as
[4:15:23] Speaker 1: I can. And Skeptics, I know I spend a lot
[4:15:26] Speaker 1: of time reading superchats, but you know, my position is
[4:15:31] Speaker 1: that people who follow and support my channel by sending superchats,
[4:15:35] Speaker 1: I want to, you know, show them the kindness and
[4:15:39] Speaker 1: respect of letting people read their superchat on the big screen,
[4:15:42] Speaker 1: since you're supporting the channel. Skeptics and Soundra says, Plus
[4:15:45] Speaker 1: I'm live so often, there's lots of debate material out there.
[4:15:48] Speaker 1: There's lots of debates to pull from. Skeptics scrubbing Zz
[4:15:53] Speaker 1: you can scrub through the playback says I'm detecting a
[4:15:56] Speaker 1: pattern with these daytime callers who don't work jobs and
[4:15:59] Speaker 1: say crazy things. Pass out, pass out the bong hit philosophy,
[4:16:06] Speaker 1: Bengo guard I think you nailed it. There's a lot
[4:16:08] Speaker 1: of people in you know, the areas of the world
[4:16:11] Speaker 1: where I live that are probably not working right now
[4:16:13] Speaker 1: looking the call in and they're gonna say some crazy
[4:16:15] Speaker 1: shit and there might be a reason why they're unemployed
[4:16:19] Speaker 1: because they say crazy shit. Patrick s b thank you
[4:16:21] Speaker 1: for this. Rude supertite says, this guy has a frequency
[4:16:24] Speaker 1: block with basic logic and reasoning, and I don't disagree.
[4:16:28] Speaker 1: I think that is actually the case. And Helium says,
[4:16:32] Speaker 1: don't listen to the one guy who got bored during
[4:16:35] Speaker 1: Godhead Trinity. I would listen to your roast home for
[4:16:39] Speaker 1: twenty four hours straight. Also, can you explain sky Karkas? Helium,
[4:16:43] Speaker 1: thank you so much? I left. I think I talked
[4:16:45] Speaker 1: to Godhead Trinity. If it if it wasn't three hours,
[4:16:48] Speaker 1: I would be surprised. It was a long roast session.
[4:16:51] Speaker 1: And the reason why I elite I talked so long
[4:16:54] Speaker 1: with those types of idiots is to demonstrate all the
[4:16:58] Speaker 1: problems in their belief system so day that they can
[4:17:00] Speaker 1: go back and think about the beating they took and
[4:17:03] Speaker 1: maybe think twice before they get up on another panel
[4:17:06] Speaker 1: saying that kind of dumb shit. So my goal here
[4:17:09] Speaker 1: is to change these people's behaviors and their minds, their
[4:17:13] Speaker 1: behavior at at minimum. But Helium, I appreciate you enjoying
[4:17:17] Speaker 1: the whole thing, and he says, can I explain sky Carcass?
[4:17:20] Speaker 1: So I got the ideal sky Carcass actually from from
[4:17:25] Speaker 1: a fuck She changed her screen name on TikTok. It's
[4:17:29] Speaker 1: the Church of Sanity maybe, is what she calls herself now,
[4:17:33] Speaker 1: but she's actually a stand up comedian.
[4:17:37] Speaker 11: LG.
[4:17:37] Speaker 1: Gray is her name. She's phenomenal. She's on TikTok and
[4:17:40] Speaker 1: YouTube LG. Gray Comedy. She's hilarious. But she started referring
[4:17:44] Speaker 1: to Jesus as the sky Carcass and I loved it
[4:17:47] Speaker 1: because he's just a resurrected dead body, right. And after
[4:17:51] Speaker 1: that I came up with cloud Zombie to match sky Carcass,
[4:17:55] Speaker 1: but they're both phenomenal. I love sky Carcass. That's my
[4:17:57] Speaker 1: favorite Jesus. So when we say skycark as, we're referring
[4:18:00] Speaker 1: to zombie Jesus resurrecting. And Connor thank you for gifting
[4:18:05] Speaker 1: out Adzy membership. And Patrick again with another superjest, says
[4:18:08] Speaker 1: TikTok or TK is the goat guest. Oh my god,
[4:18:12] Speaker 1: I died when he came on. Wait who's TK? I
[4:18:15] Speaker 1: already forgot who TK is? Shit, Well, anydays. I'm glad
[4:18:18] Speaker 1: you enjoyed it, Pat, and thank you for supporting, and
[4:18:21] Speaker 1: Daniel says, please do Trivia Night again soon. We do
[4:18:24] Speaker 1: need to do a Trivia Knight of just trivia where
[4:18:27] Speaker 1: it's not a fundraiser, it's straight just trivia for everybody.
[4:18:30] Speaker 1: I love trivia nights. I know that we don't get
[4:18:32] Speaker 1: a lot of showing on trivia nights. People want to
[4:18:34] Speaker 1: come for the cooking, but I love trivia, so I'll
[4:18:38] Speaker 1: trust me. I'll get back and we'll do some trivia.
[4:18:41] Speaker 1: And Marie says, how about losing it for the Oh, yes,
[4:18:45] Speaker 1: losing it for the Lord, yapping for yahweh, snapping for
[4:18:48] Speaker 1: the Savior, popping off for the Prince of Peace, ranting
[4:18:52] Speaker 1: for the Redeemer. These are amazing? Are these are really
[4:18:55] Speaker 1: good suggestions? In fact, give me one second, I'm gonna
[4:18:57] Speaker 1: take a screenshot of these so I don't forget them,
[4:19:00] Speaker 1: because these are gold suggestions. Actually, hold on, there we go.
[4:19:05] Speaker 1: I got a screenshot right now of it, so I
[4:19:07] Speaker 1: don't lose it, and we're good to go. I'll save that, Marie.
[4:19:10] Speaker 1: These are phenomenal. Thank you for the superchat, Thank you
[4:19:13] Speaker 1: for giving these gifts of Doug to us. And Jimmy,
[4:19:16] Speaker 1: thank you for the ten sek. And again, Jimmy Peterson
[4:19:20] Speaker 1: for another supertest says, did Jesus die for the Neanderthals
[4:19:23] Speaker 1: and the Denissovians? So yes, yes, and no. If you
[4:19:28] Speaker 1: talk to Christians, though, say that you know the they
[4:19:30] Speaker 1: were saved through their behavior or their works or whatever.
[4:19:35] Speaker 1: But Jesus say some of them will say, well, Jesus,
[4:19:37] Speaker 1: the sacrifice was retroactive. It covers them retroactively. But if
[4:19:40] Speaker 1: that's the case, if God could just cover you retroactively,
[4:19:44] Speaker 1: well shit, just wait for the end of time. Let
[4:19:46] Speaker 1: everyone do their shit and kill Jesus and then have
[4:19:48] Speaker 1: everybody retroactively covered. Problem solved. Nobody has to go to
[4:19:52] Speaker 1: hell easy. Johannes prompts, says, jabber for Jehovah. Yes, that's
[4:19:58] Speaker 1: a good one. Actually, jabber for Jehovah like that one.
[4:20:01] Speaker 1: That's a really good one. Or gibberating for Jehovah is
[4:20:05] Speaker 1: another decent one. All right, Hold, and we got another one.
[4:20:09] Speaker 1: Elusive for Elohem, elusive for Eloheim. That's a good one.
[4:20:14] Speaker 1: I'm gonna use that one. And last super chat from Carnage,
[4:20:18] Speaker 1: Asta says, barely restraining myself from getting my coworker to
[4:20:22] Speaker 1: call in and torture you. With all of his newfound
[4:20:24] Speaker 1: devotion to Alan Watts esque, we are all the Oh God,
[4:20:28] Speaker 1: we are all the godhead Western Eastern spiritualism instead of me. Listen,
[4:20:34] Speaker 1: you can have them call in sometime and we'll have
[4:20:37] Speaker 1: a lot of fun with them. It should be a
[4:20:41] Speaker 1: good time for all of the guests. I don't think
[4:20:43] Speaker 1: it'll be a good time for the person in the
[4:20:45] Speaker 1: box getting cooked, but carnage. Please do have have them
[4:20:49] Speaker 1: call in sometime. Let us know when you do, so
[4:20:51] Speaker 1: we know who we're talking to, so we know that
[4:20:53] Speaker 1: this is this is your your coworker. We'd love to
[4:20:57] Speaker 1: hear from your co worker. But yeah, to me, this
[4:21:01] Speaker 1: is like another form of like the goofy christ consciousness stuff,
[4:21:04] Speaker 1: which is insane to me. But listen, guys, my nanny
[4:21:09] Speaker 1: is done at four forty five. I don't know if
[4:21:12] Speaker 1: I have time to really continue the show and have
[4:21:15] Speaker 1: an honest conversation for like, you know, the next twenty minutes.
[4:21:19] Speaker 1: You know how my conversations are. I'm gonna end stream now.
[4:21:23] Speaker 1: This was an experimental Monday middle of the day stream.
[4:21:26] Speaker 1: I wanted to know if it was possible to stream
[4:21:30] Speaker 1: in the middle of day and have people actually watch.
[4:21:33] Speaker 9: It.
[4:21:34] Speaker 1: Seems like it actually is possible. So, because my summer
[4:21:37] Speaker 1: schedule is going to be so different now that my
[4:21:40] Speaker 1: son is out of school, I'm probably gonna pick one
[4:21:43] Speaker 1: day a week and do a midday stream. Just do
[4:21:46] Speaker 1: a full midday stream one day a week, and then
[4:21:49] Speaker 1: on the other days of the week, I've got to
[4:21:52] Speaker 1: do some of these mini streams, like after he goes
[4:21:54] Speaker 1: to bed.
[4:21:56] Speaker 9: But he still doing like three days a week, so.
[4:22:00] Speaker 1: Right probably not right now, I think this is gonna
[4:22:02] Speaker 1: be too much. Plus I'd rather just spend my time
[4:22:05] Speaker 1: like having fun with my son, and uh, if I
[4:22:09] Speaker 1: stream during during the week, I kind of have to
[4:22:15] Speaker 1: wait for him to go to bed, or I have
[4:22:18] Speaker 1: to do it during work hours, which I can do.
[4:22:21] Speaker 1: I can take vacation days at work and just stream
[4:22:24] Speaker 1: during work hours once or twice a week, but I
[4:22:28] Speaker 1: don't really I'm trying to avoid waiting for my son
[4:22:31] Speaker 1: to go to bed because sometimes, you know, he doesn't
[4:22:33] Speaker 1: go to bed right away, and I might schedule a
[4:22:35] Speaker 1: stream for nine o'clock, but he really doesn't fall asleep
[4:22:37] Speaker 1: till ten thirty. And then what I'm gonna do is
[4:22:39] Speaker 1: stream till two in the morning and then wake up
[4:22:41] Speaker 1: at six o'clock for work. It just not really a
[4:22:43] Speaker 1: good practical thing. It makes sense, right, So I think
[4:22:47] Speaker 1: what I'm gonna do is throughout the summer, I'm gonna
[4:22:51] Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick a day and just stream during the daytime,
[4:22:54] Speaker 1: and then after like the second week of August, when
[4:22:56] Speaker 1: school starts, I'll be back to my regular full time schedule.
[4:23:01] Speaker 9: And what about Unapologetic.
[4:23:03] Speaker 1: So I I told Unapologetic a while ago that I
[4:23:05] Speaker 1: won't be able to stream over the summer, but I'll
[4:23:08] Speaker 1: be back again when we're when we're ready to rock
[4:23:10] Speaker 1: and roll during the school year. So w W. Yeah,
[4:23:19] Speaker 1: I'm I definitely hope it to get a lot of
[4:23:21] Speaker 1: quality time in with my son. It's it's much easier
[4:23:25] Speaker 1: in the summertime when you got daylight until where I
[4:23:29] Speaker 1: live till nine o'clock. So we're going to make the
[4:23:31] Speaker 1: most of it, and we've got vacation time planned. We're
[4:23:34] Speaker 1: going to have a blast. So I'm excited for the summer.
[4:23:38] Speaker 1: It pains me that I can't spend as much time
[4:23:40] Speaker 1: streaming with my friends here online, but I really, you know,
[4:23:43] Speaker 1: love and appreciate that everyone supports my work here. Yeah,
[4:23:47] Speaker 1: if you don't get to make this time up, this
[4:23:49] Speaker 1: is the only chance you get.
[4:23:51] Speaker 9: Then hopefull you're you're approaching fifteen thousand, by the way.
[4:23:55] Speaker 1: I know, I was hoping so My hope was to
[4:23:59] Speaker 1: hit at the beginning of the year. My hope was
[4:24:02] Speaker 1: to hit fifty thousand by the end of the year.
[4:24:04] Speaker 1: We're gonna hit it before the end of summer. It's crazy.
[4:24:08] Speaker 9: We goin to heat the hundreds, right right.
[4:24:11] Speaker 1: But anyways, we may get close to one hundred. I'm
[4:24:15] Speaker 1: all for it. I'm all for it. But anyways, I've
[4:24:19] Speaker 1: got to end stream. I really love and appreciate everybody. Actually,
[4:24:22] Speaker 1: we just got one last supertech that came in while
[4:24:24] Speaker 1: I was saying this. Jared, thank you for the supertest,
[4:24:27] Speaker 1: says currently deconstructing, thanks for the help with logic. Would
[4:24:32] Speaker 1: love to pick your brain on dealing with fallout with
[4:24:35] Speaker 1: family dynamics. Jared, hit me up on the discord or
[4:24:39] Speaker 1: come into my next stream and we've got things. We
[4:24:43] Speaker 1: can cover this briefly, but yes, deconstructing, leaving the faith
[4:24:47] Speaker 1: and dealing with your family all at once is a
[4:24:49] Speaker 1: big deal. It's a lot to work on. Also, I
[4:24:51] Speaker 1: would recommend going to thinkers live stream. She does a
[4:24:54] Speaker 1: lot of this type of deconstruction talk on Thinkers live stream.
[4:24:58] Speaker 1: Her tag is and Growth and she also has another tag.
[4:25:03] Speaker 1: You can find her just bite going to think her
[4:25:05] Speaker 1: on TikTok. If you have trouble, let me know. I'll
[4:25:07] Speaker 1: make sure you get hooked up. And also my friend
[4:25:09] Speaker 1: doctor Joe is another great resource. Definitely would love to
[4:25:12] Speaker 1: get you hooked up with doctor Joe. These are actual
[4:25:15] Speaker 1: people who deal with this all the time. I more
[4:25:19] Speaker 1: or less deal with cooking people, but I do have
[4:25:21] Speaker 1: some things we can talk about. But anyways, EM's and
[4:25:24] Speaker 1: Pillow Dragon Aaron, thank you so much for joining me
[4:25:27] Speaker 1: on the panel. I really appreciate it.
[4:25:29] Speaker 9: Thank you for having me up.
[4:25:31] Speaker 1: Absolutely

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