# 2025-07-18 LIVE DEBATE \[God is Imaginary\]

An episode of [Deconstruction Zone](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1837730286), 28 Sep 2025, 4 h 58 min.

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## Transcript

[0:03] Speaker 1: All right, I think we're live. Looks like all the
[0:07] Speaker 1: streams are open. Friends, Welcome in. We've got YouTube Twitch
[0:15] Speaker 1: Vertical is the main account that's Deconstruction Zone Horizontal is
[0:20] Speaker 1: the second account, DZ debates. Obviously you know where to
[0:24] Speaker 1: find me on TikTok under Deconstruction Zone and also if
[0:26] Speaker 1: you want to watch on Twitch, I've got a Twitch
[0:28] Speaker 1: account under Deconstruction Zone as well, so you can pick
[0:31] Speaker 1: your poison with the streams. Anyways, Welcome in, friends, Great
[0:36] Speaker 1: to see everybuddy. Looks like we've already got PhD doctrine
[0:40] Speaker 1: of second adam. Great name change, good name change. Great
[0:45] Speaker 1: to see everyone. Good to see you. We should have
[0:48] Speaker 1: some people populating the guest box any moment now doogal
[0:53] Speaker 1: look theme in. Good to see him. Meg's great to
[0:56] Speaker 1: see a Meek. Good to see. Let me grab a
[0:58] Speaker 1: couple of super chats. Looks like somebody came in real
[1:02] Speaker 1: quick with a question. We'll grab that right after these
[1:06] Speaker 1: super chests and chat. Welcome in, my good friend. Great
[1:09] Speaker 1: to see you. We've got a couple of new members
[1:11] Speaker 1: of the Crack and Crew Elite, namely Strider. Welcome in,
[1:15] Speaker 1: Strider and also Cody H. Big w Cody h and
[1:20] Speaker 1: Bill Gill. Interesting name. I appreciate that. Welcome to the
[1:23] Speaker 1: Crack and cru Elite, and Key Kai Vegas, Welcome to
[1:28] Speaker 1: the Crack and Cruy, and Larry Beck sending out memberships
[1:31] Speaker 1: to the Crack and Crew over at DZ Debates. Big
[1:35] Speaker 1: W Larry, I really appreciate that. Thank you for being here, friend,
[1:39] Speaker 1: A big big W for Larry and our friend Vern Vernadette.
[1:43] Speaker 1: Thank you so much for the twenty dollars super chat.
[1:45] Speaker 1: That's huge, friend. His training camp starts for most NFL
[1:48] Speaker 1: teams in less than a week. Can't wait to watch
[1:50] Speaker 1: the Browns be the Browns. I know, I know the
[1:55] Speaker 1: Browns are going to Browns and my Steelers go nine
[1:59] Speaker 1: to eight and lose in the first round of the playoffs,
[2:02] Speaker 1: just like every year should be a fun season. Well,
[2:04] Speaker 1: if I was a betting man, I would say that
[2:07] Speaker 1: that seems like about the thing that's gonna happen. The
[2:10] Speaker 1: Browns are gonna be the Browns that we're gonna win
[2:12] Speaker 1: probably their preseason games. They're gonna be preseason All Stars,
[2:15] Speaker 1: and then they're gonna get utterly annihilated during the regular season.
[2:19] Speaker 1: It should be a fun time, but listen, we'll all
[2:23] Speaker 1: enjoy watching it go down. And Jeffy, thank you so
[2:27] Speaker 1: much for the super chest says, first was Korean barbecue,
[2:31] Speaker 1: then soju, and now it's time for some Christian barbecue.
[2:35] Speaker 1: Praise Doug for the double helping of barbecue. I absolutely
[2:38] Speaker 1: praise Doug, and thank you for supporting the channel, and
[2:41] Speaker 1: the barbecue will be beginning shortly. I would imagine we've
[2:45] Speaker 1: got a couple of new members on TikTok as well.
[2:47] Speaker 1: Welcome in ken Cee, Willie and Tofer. Actually it looks
[2:52] Speaker 1: like see Willie gave away a sub. Thank you so
[2:55] Speaker 1: much for that, Willie, I appreciate that. And Max with
[2:58] Speaker 1: a twenty hours super chat. Well, thank you so much. Max.
[3:01] Speaker 1: As I've got to go to work, but I wanted
[3:02] Speaker 1: to say how much I don't want to hear about
[3:05] Speaker 1: eunichs ever again, my dog. Can you imagine the Christians
[3:11] Speaker 1: will tell you, tell you have to read this book,
[3:13] Speaker 1: and then we read the book and they want to
[3:15] Speaker 1: had endless conversations about grape, slavery and Unix because the
[3:21] Speaker 1: book is not meant for children. Friends there just like
[3:23] Speaker 1: rated our content. I've got three more super chats. We'll
[3:28] Speaker 1: get looks like Anka in here. Sila talks a bit,
[3:31] Speaker 1: says Christians have big confusion around meeting of abolish ampufol fulfilled. Yeah,
[3:39] Speaker 1: it's it's interesting to me. I think if they were
[3:41] Speaker 1: honest with themselves that the confusion wouldn't be there. The
[3:44] Speaker 1: confusion only seems to be there because they need to
[3:47] Speaker 1: make it say what it doesn't say. They just can't
[3:49] Speaker 1: be honest, you know what I mean? And Mike says,
[3:52] Speaker 1: if Sharon were a whole tree, would she have huge grace?
[3:56] Speaker 1: She would be exceedingly graceful. Mike, That's what happened. I
[4:00] Speaker 1: see what you're trying to do there. You're not going
[4:02] Speaker 1: to get me. You're not going to get me. Mike.
[4:04] Speaker 1: Thank you for supporting though, and from our friend David Burke.
[4:08] Speaker 1: Big w David, thank you so so much for the
[4:10] Speaker 1: fifty hours super chat. That's huge, friend, says my second
[4:14] Speaker 1: super chat yesterday related to golf. Listen, golf is an
[4:17] Speaker 1: amazing game. Forget that. I am prophesying that we can
[4:21] Speaker 1: expect these next hours to fit the tiny bit of
[4:23] Speaker 1: Hebrew I know, mah Nishtana Hellela his Michael Elliott. Unfortunately
[4:34] Speaker 1: I learned to read Hebrew in the Hebrew text. I
[4:37] Speaker 1: don't really do a whole lot of transliterating. I trust
[4:41] Speaker 1: that you said something interesting there. I don't know if
[4:43] Speaker 1: I'm good enough to read your transliteration and superimpose that
[4:48] Speaker 1: onto the Hebrew text to read what it would say
[4:51] Speaker 1: in Hebrew. But if you're a speaker of Hebrew, like
[4:54] Speaker 1: if you're a native Hebrew speaker, I trust that you
[4:57] Speaker 1: recognize what he's written there. Unfortunately, I'm not a native
[5:00] Speaker 1: Hebrew speaker, so transliterations aren't really all that helpful for me.
[5:04] Speaker 1: But they can't be helpful if you're doing like a
[5:07] Speaker 1: word by word Bible study. Thank you for the super chat,
[5:10] Speaker 1: by the way, though, I really appreciate that, David, and
[5:13] Speaker 1: I hope you having a good day. OC. Last one
[5:15] Speaker 1: for our friend OC, thank you so much for the
[5:17] Speaker 1: twenty dour Superchests has been having a discussion with a
[5:21] Speaker 1: pastor about Deuteronomy twenty two thirteen, after forcing an answer
[5:27] Speaker 1: and finally said, it's only in one book of laws,
[5:31] Speaker 1: so it may not be from God. Curious about your take? Okay,
[5:34] Speaker 1: so O, see what I'm gathering is you asked your
[5:36] Speaker 1: pastor about the bloody sheet test in Deuteronomy twenty two.
[5:40] Speaker 1: And your pastor said, well, it doesn't show up any
[5:42] Speaker 1: other books of law, so maybe it was made up
[5:44] Speaker 1: by men. And I would rightly ask your pastor that, well, shit,
[5:48] Speaker 1: if God just made this up, or if men just
[5:51] Speaker 1: made this up, what else did they make up? Why
[5:53] Speaker 1: it should be be trusting the nonsense in this book?
[5:56] Speaker 1: If it's not to be trusted. Hey, Chad, good sea friend.
[6:00] Speaker 1: I just wanted to say, thank you, buddy, you are
[6:04] Speaker 1: quite welcome. I got you back, all right, I'll drop
[6:08] Speaker 1: thank you all right, jeered buddy, love you, okayse our
[6:12] Speaker 1: friend Reverend Rainbow Chad lost his job. He needs a
[6:16] Speaker 1: little bit of help right now. If you know Reverend
[6:18] Speaker 1: Rainbow on TikTok, drop him a follow. He's in our
[6:22] Speaker 1: chat right now and he does have Oh shit, we
[6:25] Speaker 1: got a thinker raid. Hey, thanks so much, thinker. I
[6:27] Speaker 1: appreciate that. I really do appreciate that. All right, let's
[6:31] Speaker 1: get our first guest in here. Looks like it's gonna
[6:33] Speaker 1: be anca welcome in.
[6:36] Speaker 2: Uncle. Oh hi, Okay, we spoken to h yes like
[6:41] Speaker 2: two times.
[6:42] Speaker 1: That's all.
[6:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, But I'm not a believer. I'm over eighteen. All
[6:47] Speaker 2: this stuff.
[6:48] Speaker 1: Oh, okay, well we are I just have a debate
[6:50] Speaker 1: from believers. But if you have a question, I'm sure
[6:52] Speaker 1: I can answer it.
[6:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, I have a question. I message you on discord,
[6:55] Speaker 2: but I think your message you like, your messages are overwhelmed,
[7:00] Speaker 2: so you don't see it.
[7:01] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, probably like twenty hundred messages at the moment.
[7:06] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so. I just have a quick question about,
[7:11] Speaker 2: like what was the understanding of like medicine and how
[7:16] Speaker 2: delivers back in the day who wrote the Bible, how
[7:19] Speaker 2: they understood what was the like sicknesses that was from
[7:23] Speaker 2: demons and what was sicknesses that was not from demons,
[7:26] Speaker 2: and stuff like this, because there is a lot of
[7:30] Speaker 2: stuff that's not consistent in a Bible, Like some sometimes
[7:34] Speaker 2: sicknesses described like they are from demons, but sometimes they
[7:37] Speaker 2: have the same same symptoms symptoms, but they are not
[7:40] Speaker 2: from demons.
[7:41] Speaker 3: Uh.
[7:42] Speaker 2: And how how does it work well.
[7:44] Speaker 1: Depends on what book of the byery referring to. In
[7:47] Speaker 1: the Old Testament time period, almost everybody thought that sicknesses
[7:50] Speaker 1: came from unclean spirits, and there's a lot of books
[7:54] Speaker 1: that touch on the ancient literature about this. I would
[7:57] Speaker 1: recommend a free two volume see the reason that you
[8:00] Speaker 1: can get on archive dot org called let me find
[8:06] Speaker 1: it all right, here's the book that you want. It's
[8:34] Speaker 1: called Devils in Evil Spirits of Babylonia. There's two volumes
[8:39] Speaker 1: to it. Basically, this is a collection of texts from
[8:43] Speaker 1: ancient Babylon and Assyria, full of medicine, incantations, spells, poems,
[8:53] Speaker 1: and literature explaining where they think these various issues arived from. Fevers, headaches,
[9:01] Speaker 1: sickness described in pretty good detail.
[9:06] Speaker 2: Thank you, thank you very much. Have a good stream.
[9:09] Speaker 1: Absolutely you think great job, appreciate it. Hell dog all
[9:13] Speaker 1: this stuff. Yeah, pray Doug, Yeah, bye bye j Man.
[9:19] Speaker 1: All right. Yeah. If you're watching on TikTok, you know
[9:23] Speaker 1: how to request. There's a guest request here at the
[9:26] Speaker 1: bottom of the screen. If you're on YouTube or anywhere else,
[9:29] Speaker 1: there's a link on the screen TinyURL dot com forsh
[9:32] Speaker 1: last guest DZ. There's also a link in the description
[9:36] Speaker 1: of the video. If you don't want to type, you
[9:38] Speaker 1: can just simply click the link. Let me grab a
[9:40] Speaker 1: couple more super chats and looks like we're going to
[9:41] Speaker 1: get to our next guest in the YouTube. Que Johnny
[9:44] Speaker 1: says was the Bible polytheistic, kimash and the eloheme. Yes,
[9:49] Speaker 1: the Old Testament is clearly monotheistic. In fact, it says
[9:53] Speaker 1: in Exodus twelve twelve that God is rendering judgment upon
[9:57] Speaker 1: the gods of Egypt and other such things. There's a
[10:00] Speaker 1: lot of passages. I would recommend the writings of Mark S.
[10:03] Speaker 1: Smith on this particular topic. He writes about this in Abundance.
[10:08] Speaker 1: Chip says, again, at least you're a Panthers fan. Aren't
[10:12] Speaker 1: a Patherns fan? Chip, I'm not. I don't know if
[10:17] Speaker 1: there's much deviation between Panthers and Browns, though we're the
[10:21] Speaker 1: like two sides of the same losing coin, So there
[10:25] Speaker 1: is that. Also, Hass says, praise Doug with which hug
[10:32] Speaker 1: with huge grace. Well, in that sweet thank you very much,
[10:36] Speaker 1: thank you very much. I will will praise Doug with
[10:39] Speaker 1: huge grace. And Cameron says, this guest last night Onian's
[10:42] Speaker 1: Live was a piece of work. But he literally pivoting.
[10:45] Speaker 1: He was literally pivoting and embarrassing himself. You cooked him anyways,
[10:48] Speaker 1: that yeah, that one guess. I forget his name, you
[10:50] Speaker 1: know what, he was actually a nice young man. The
[10:55] Speaker 1: problem was he was just lying, and he was lying
[10:58] Speaker 1: a lot, and I wasn't in a mood little and
[11:00] Speaker 1: get away with it, and so I cooked him a
[11:03] Speaker 1: little too much. Cameron, I may have been a little
[11:05] Speaker 1: hard on them, but yeah, I'm glad you saw. Glad
[11:07] Speaker 1: you saw that we had a good time doing a
[11:11] Speaker 1: group cookout. Brianna says, when are you going to open
[11:13] Speaker 1: your own restaurant cooking Christians and grilling bad arguments? We
[11:17] Speaker 1: do need for fun. At least do like a menu,
[11:20] Speaker 1: like a barbecue menu and put it in the gift shop.
[11:24] Speaker 1: That would be a lot of fun we should do.
[11:25] Speaker 1: We got to make that happen. It's a good idea.
[11:28] Speaker 1: And from that guy Fox, great name. Thank you for
[11:31] Speaker 1: the time that I was. Super Chat says, the perfect day
[11:33] Speaker 1: for barbecue, and our favorite cook is here. Listen, the
[11:35] Speaker 1: cook is in the kitchen now we're just waiting for orders.
[11:38] Speaker 1: I currently don't have any Christians, as far as I
[11:41] Speaker 1: can tell, I don't have any Christians waiting to get in.
[11:43] Speaker 1: I've got one person in the guest box that I
[11:45] Speaker 1: think is a friendly. So I'm gonna grab three more
[11:48] Speaker 1: super Chats and pull them in. Sam Schmooley says, don't
[11:51] Speaker 1: remember I've read my super chet yesterday, But can you
[11:54] Speaker 1: re answer if you did? Favorite whiskey in spelling or
[11:58] Speaker 1: spirit always rock hard For friend Sam, I don't know
[12:01] Speaker 1: if I saw that a super chat. I apologize if
[12:03] Speaker 1: I missed it, A big big l for me if
[12:05] Speaker 1: I did. But Sam, I think my favorite whiskey I've got.
[12:09] Speaker 1: I can't pick a favorite, but I'm gonna tell you
[12:11] Speaker 1: some of my favorites. Big fan of makers Mark, huge
[12:14] Speaker 1: fan of Makers Mark. Actually, that's gotta be in maybe
[12:18] Speaker 1: my my top five. Believe it or not. I do
[12:22] Speaker 1: like good old fashioned just Jack Daniels number seven. That's
[12:27] Speaker 1: that's pretty decent as well. When it comes to young whiskeys,
[12:33] Speaker 1: young and cheap whiskies like non aged whiskies, I would
[12:37] Speaker 1: go for something akin to like tin Cup. Tin Cup
[12:41] Speaker 1: is a good, sweet young whiskey. If you want something aged,
[12:45] Speaker 1: typically almost all the big whiskey brands have good aged whiskies.
[12:50] Speaker 1: At this point. Bullets got some decent ones. I mean
[12:55] Speaker 1: even Jack Daniels got some that are aged like for
[12:59] Speaker 1: full twelve years now. It's hard to say that to
[13:02] Speaker 1: the favorite. I love the whiskey from Tomfoolery it's a
[13:06] Speaker 1: local brewery here in Ohio that's really good. Tom Foolery's
[13:11] Speaker 1: got some good stuff. But I don't know if I
[13:14] Speaker 1: have a favorite. I've tried just about everything, and I've
[13:17] Speaker 1: tried expensive whiskeys. I've tried like the you know, the
[13:19] Speaker 1: two hundred dollars bottle of whiskeys. They're not that much
[13:23] Speaker 1: better than the twenty five dollar bottle of whiskey. Like,
[13:26] Speaker 1: unless you're into really fancy stuff, like like Pete Moss
[13:30] Speaker 1: smoked whiskey. I could give a damn about smoked whiskey. Anyways,
[13:35] Speaker 1: interesting question. I appreciate that. I do also love the
[13:38] Speaker 1: Irish variants of the whiskey, so big fan of Jamison
[13:44] Speaker 1: Red breast. Red breast is really good. There's some good ones.
[13:49] Speaker 1: And Jesse says I joined a Krack and Crew yesterday.
[13:51] Speaker 1: Win cheat sheet. Well, hell yeah, win, Jesse, thank you
[13:55] Speaker 1: for joining. And last one from our friend Nightman. Nightman says,
[13:58] Speaker 1: barbecue time, Happy Friday. This will help the rest of
[14:01] Speaker 1: the work day fly by well, I hope. So I
[14:05] Speaker 1: hope that we can make your your day at work
[14:08] Speaker 1: better and fly by quick. That's what we want, all right.
[14:11] Speaker 1: Let me grab our guest el el teene, I believe
[14:16] Speaker 1: if I'm reading this correctly, how you doing el teen?
[14:22] Speaker 4: Hello?
[14:22] Speaker 3: Can you hear me?
[14:23] Speaker 1: Okay, I can hear you. Your connection is a little
[14:25] Speaker 1: bit like you, but it seems to be working.
[14:28] Speaker 3: Okay. This is like my first anything online. I'm like
[14:35] Speaker 3: hell old and don't know how to do this.
[14:38] Speaker 5: I am a friendly I am very freshly deconstructed, like
[14:43] Speaker 5: within the last couple of months after being church three
[14:50] Speaker 5: times a week and Christian education oxymoor and all that stuff.
[14:54] Speaker 5: I actually just have two questions because I know we
[14:56] Speaker 5: got to get to the cookout. One actually one, thank
[14:59] Speaker 5: you so much for everything that you do. You are
[15:03] Speaker 5: quite literally a celebrity in our house now. My wife
[15:06] Speaker 5: and I both just what we do is just listen
[15:09] Speaker 5: to DZ debates like twenty seven hours a day. It's crazy, no,
[15:14] Speaker 5: but I have I just have two well questions or considerations.
[15:18] Speaker 3: One Bible related.
[15:20] Speaker 5: What do you think about passages in the Bible that
[15:26] Speaker 5: that they're not stark contradictions, but they're still super difficult,
[15:32] Speaker 5: as in, like the English translations say something kind of
[15:37] Speaker 5: different about the same thing. My example that like really
[15:42] Speaker 5: hit me was one Corinthians fourteen thirty three through thirty six,
[15:49] Speaker 5: I think, and if I'm wrong, then you know, please
[15:51] Speaker 5: correct me. But basically that's where a lot of people
[15:54] Speaker 5: go to where it says, oh, you know, women can't
[15:56] Speaker 5: speak in the church, okay. But also right before that
[16:00] Speaker 5: talking about how God's not the author of confusion. But
[16:03] Speaker 5: if you go on Bible Gateway and you put the
[16:04] Speaker 5: NIV and the ESV next to each other, because where
[16:08] Speaker 5: I grew up, that was the only translations of the
[16:10] Speaker 5: Bible you could read, and all the other ones sucked
[16:12] Speaker 5: or something, I don't know. One of them says that
[16:17] Speaker 5: women should keep silence as in all the churches of
[16:20] Speaker 5: the Saints, and the other one says God is not
[16:23] Speaker 5: the author of confusion, as in all.
[16:25] Speaker 3: The other churches of the Saints. And it's like two completely.
[16:28] Speaker 5: Does that make sense how that it's like kind of
[16:30] Speaker 5: emphasizing two different things.
[16:32] Speaker 1: Yeah. So the reason why you have this particular issue,
[16:36] Speaker 1: I don't think is from a translation difference. I think
[16:38] Speaker 1: there are some translation differences that you can point out,
[16:41] Speaker 1: like Psalm twenty two sixteen, it seems to be there's
[16:45] Speaker 1: a corrupted text and no one knows how to translate it.
[16:48] Speaker 1: That does happen. What we're seeing in for Corinthians fourteen,
[16:52] Speaker 1: specifically in like thirty three and thirty four is we've
[16:56] Speaker 1: got different texts. Like if you compare the different manuscripts
[17:00] Speaker 1: first corinth themes, they none of them like they don't
[17:02] Speaker 1: agree with each other. And so if this particular passage
[17:06] Speaker 1: about the women having to be silent and sitting down
[17:09] Speaker 1: in all that nonsense, in like a lot of the
[17:12] Speaker 1: early manuscripts, it doesn't even exist it then eventually it
[17:15] Speaker 1: shows up in a margin note, and then it shows
[17:17] Speaker 1: up in the passage, and then in some passages it's
[17:21] Speaker 1: in a different order, like verse thirty four might be
[17:23] Speaker 1: up by like twenty eight, or in another one is
[17:26] Speaker 1: going to be down by thirty six. So it even
[17:28] Speaker 1: move once it finds a home in the passage, it
[17:30] Speaker 1: moves around and don't even know where it's supposed to be.
[17:33] Speaker 1: The reality is it probably wasn't original to the text,
[17:37] Speaker 1: and it's not even doesn't really even match typical Pauline theology.
[17:42] Speaker 1: A good scholar on this particular passage that they might
[17:44] Speaker 1: want to look up is Linda Bellville. Linda Bellville wrote
[17:49] Speaker 1: on this particular passage it had to been fifteen years
[17:52] Speaker 1: ago now, but I think she's the one that does
[17:54] Speaker 1: the best job of like, hey, what the hell's going
[17:57] Speaker 1: on here, let's sort this one.
[17:58] Speaker 5: Out, Linda Bellville, Okay, perfect, I will remember that. And yes,
[18:05] Speaker 5: the Bible's totally in error, and God's not a misogynist anyways.
[18:09] Speaker 5: One other question, it's kind of like a Filbro argument,
[18:13] Speaker 5: I guess which Okay, I haven't heard this adjustment, and
[18:18] Speaker 5: I wanted to get your your thoughts on it.
[18:20] Speaker 1: So with the.
[18:21] Speaker 3: Problem of evil, a lot of times you'll have well,
[18:27] Speaker 3: I'll just catch in the chase. I'm like super nervous
[18:29] Speaker 3: and stuff.
[18:29] Speaker 5: Okay, if we're talking about the problem evil, and a
[18:33] Speaker 5: lot of people will talk about good and evil and
[18:36] Speaker 5: kind of these like different severities or like, you know,
[18:42] Speaker 5: some things are worse than others, some things are better
[18:44] Speaker 5: than others, Like you know, stealing a candy bar is bad,
[18:49] Speaker 5: but the drop kicking seventeen puppies into a volcano to
[18:55] Speaker 5: the tune of a laugh track or something that's like worse.
[18:57] Speaker 3: Right, So my question is if if Christians think this,
[19:03] Speaker 3: if Christians think about that there's.
[19:05] Speaker 5: Better things and worse things, and God is all good,
[19:08] Speaker 5: there's all good and so good and there's so much
[19:10] Speaker 5: good in the faith and all this stuff, what are
[19:14] Speaker 5: the good counterparts to things like genocide or.
[19:22] Speaker 3: Being essayed or like, it seems to me if you just.
[19:27] Speaker 5: Measure how good things are and how bad things are,
[19:30] Speaker 5: like evil is like kicking ass, Like it's like so
[19:34] Speaker 5: much worse than how good good is. You know what
[19:37] Speaker 5: I mean is that it like drives me crazy because
[19:40] Speaker 5: you know, you hear about how it's supposed to be
[19:42] Speaker 5: all good and so good and all this stuff, But
[19:43] Speaker 5: I can't think of one corollary of something that's really
[19:46] Speaker 5: good that's remotely as potent as all the bad things
[19:51] Speaker 5: that we see kind of every day.
[19:53] Speaker 4: Is that?
[19:55] Speaker 3: Am I crazy?
[19:56] Speaker 1: Does that make sense? I don't think you're crazy. I
[19:58] Speaker 1: think from the Christian point of view, though, everybody's bad, right,
[20:02] Speaker 1: And so this idea of like there's a gradiation between
[20:05] Speaker 1: good and bad in Christian theology, that's not really even
[20:08] Speaker 1: the case unless you're Catholic. Catholic has different levels of sin.
[20:12] Speaker 1: They've got mortal and venial sins. But if you're not Catholic,
[20:15] Speaker 1: they just bleeve that all sin is created equal and
[20:18] Speaker 1: all sin will end up in hell, right, So from
[20:23] Speaker 1: a Christian point of view, you're looking at the world
[20:25] Speaker 1: and you're saying, yeah, yeah, everything's bad, nothing's redeemable. Right,
[20:29] Speaker 1: So I think if you're not a Christian, you can
[20:33] Speaker 1: rightly ask the question, Okay, well, why is jaywalking not
[20:40] Speaker 1: as bad? Or why is jaywalking not as bad as like,
[20:45] Speaker 1: you know, accosting somebody in the street. Right, That's something
[20:49] Speaker 1: a normal person would ask, because when they hear that, yeah,
[20:52] Speaker 1: they're roughly equivalent. They're like, bullshit, they're equivalent. Look at
[20:55] Speaker 1: the outcomes, like one, the guy's hardly doing anything and
[20:59] Speaker 1: one a guy he's like literally harming somebody. Right, So
[21:02] Speaker 1: we we perceive good and bad based on how it
[21:05] Speaker 1: harms individuals, and that's what normal people do. Christian doctrine
[21:09] Speaker 1: twists on its head. They in order for the Christian
[21:12] Speaker 1: doctrine to work, they have to find a way to
[21:15] Speaker 1: make it sound like you can't be good, nothing in
[21:18] Speaker 1: you is good, And therefore they have a whole doctrine
[21:21] Speaker 1: built on round the fact that everything you do and
[21:23] Speaker 1: everything around you is bad unless somehow God redeems it.
[21:31] Speaker 5: Make it makes sense, right, Okay, Well that's that's it,
[21:36] Speaker 5: Thank you again. Yeah, and I'm not kidding. Your like
[21:39] Speaker 5: a celebrity in our house like I might. My work
[21:42] Speaker 5: performance has like dropped a good percentage because I just
[21:44] Speaker 5: like listen to you all the time. But it's okay,
[21:46] Speaker 5: we're fine, don't get fired. Thank you so much for information.
[21:49] Speaker 1: What did you say?
[21:50] Speaker 3: Your name was, Linda Velvetere. I think I'll go back,
[21:52] Speaker 3: Linda Belvin Belleville.
[21:54] Speaker 5: I'm sorry, okay, thank you so much. Yeah, I mean
[21:58] Speaker 5: cooking good. Sorry for to catch it life to.
[22:01] Speaker 1: Hear from mebody tears. Friend, Linda Belleville is a really
[22:07] Speaker 1: good scholar. I'm sad to admit though that she went
[22:12] Speaker 1: really hard into Mega during Trump the first round of
[22:19] Speaker 1: Trump nonsense, so you know there's that. But uh, nevertheless,
[22:25] Speaker 1: despite despite her being insane Mega, she she's a fine scholar.
[22:31] Speaker 1: I can't say anything about about a scholarship. All right,
[22:33] Speaker 1: let me grab We're gonna just grab four super chests
[22:35] Speaker 1: and get our next guests and hear. The Christian Atheist says,
[22:37] Speaker 1: what do you call an Irish gem that is fake?
[22:40] Speaker 1: A sham rock? Okay, I can feel that one. I
[22:44] Speaker 1: like that one. Okay, Christian Atheist, heyah, a fake rock
[22:48] Speaker 1: is a sham rock, but not Doug Shale. The Holy
[22:51] Speaker 1: Doug made the courts of Dougby with you, Borgin, thank
[22:55] Speaker 1: you for the ten hour superchests. Just wanted to say
[22:57] Speaker 1: thank you for making my workdays manageable with some of
[23:00] Speaker 1: that good old Christian barbecue. Praise Doug in his holy hardness.
[23:04] Speaker 1: He is hard, is he not?
[23:05] Speaker 6: Well?
[23:05] Speaker 1: Listen, I'm happy to make your day happy. That's what
[23:08] Speaker 1: I'm here for. Friends and Elle Erland Erlind, thank you
[23:13] Speaker 1: for the super chat. From that Norway says, regarding the
[23:16] Speaker 1: reliability of the Bible, it would appear that God notoriously
[23:19] Speaker 1: unwilling to do erratum. What's iratum? Now I gotta learn
[23:25] Speaker 1: new words. Okay, hold on ratum meaning is an error
[23:32] Speaker 1: in printing? Oh shit, I'm surprised I've never heard that
[23:35] Speaker 1: word before. Okay. Regarding the reliability of the Bible, it
[23:38] Speaker 1: would appear that God is notoriously unwilling to do error
[23:42] Speaker 1: in printing. I think it might be the opposite of that, Erland,
[23:47] Speaker 1: I think he is notorious for doing print errors. And
[23:53] Speaker 1: last one from our friend Chet. Good to see it, Chet,
[23:56] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the ten hour super chat.
[23:58] Speaker 1: My friend Chet says is Divine Healer by Michael L.
[24:02] Speaker 1: Brown might be helpful on that topic. Oh interesting, yeah, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah,
[24:06] Speaker 1: Michael Brown certainly. All right, let me grab the book
[24:08] Speaker 1: so you guys can see Here we Go. I want
[24:16] Speaker 1: to put on the screen for y'all to check out.
[24:20] Speaker 1: This is a great suggestion, chet I appreciate that, all right,
[24:24] Speaker 1: And the book is called Here we Go Studies in
[24:28] Speaker 1: Old Testament Theology. Israel's Divine Healer by Michael L. Brown.
[24:33] Speaker 1: Michael L. Brown's dope. You're definitely gonna like him, So
[24:36] Speaker 1: check out Israel's Divine Healer. Hey, thanks, Chedd, I appreciate
[24:40] Speaker 1: the suggestion. And also, Yolanda, thank you for the six
[24:44] Speaker 1: sixty six over venmo big w Yolanda, she says, long time,
[24:48] Speaker 1: my schedule is crazy. Shout out to Doug. Well, listen,
[24:51] Speaker 1: We'll hoping your schedule lightens up on you a little
[24:55] Speaker 1: bit so you can have some fun. But it's great
[24:57] Speaker 1: to hear from you, Yolanda. We're gonna get our next guest.
[25:00] Speaker 1: Can hear Michael? How you doing, Michael doing well?
[25:04] Speaker 2: How about you doing well?
[25:06] Speaker 1: Michael? You're you're a little bit quiet right now? Can
[25:09] Speaker 1: you get closer to your phone. How's this It's a
[25:13] Speaker 1: little better. We'll see. Can you guys hear Michael? Any good?
[25:20] Speaker 1: It's kind of well. I think you've got a double whammy.
[25:23] Speaker 1: I think you're it's kind of quiet because you're outside,
[25:26] Speaker 1: and also your reception is pretty bad.
[25:29] Speaker 3: I can fix that.
[25:33] Speaker 4: That's with the dogs.
[25:35] Speaker 3: Just got home and let my beagle come out.
[25:37] Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Do you have Wi Fi?
[25:41] Speaker 4: Yeah? I'm moving closer to it right yeah.
[25:43] Speaker 1: Yeah. If you can get to the WiFi, that'd be great.
[25:47] Speaker 3: And the care if I have the camera on, No,
[25:50] Speaker 3: it's fine.
[25:55] Speaker 1: I can figure out how I'm feeling to connect. It's
[26:00] Speaker 1: going to be weak.
[26:05] Speaker 3: How's it sounding you?
[26:08] Speaker 1: It doesn't sound too bad. Let's give it a shot,
[26:12] Speaker 1: all right. So a Michael, are you at least eighteen
[26:15] Speaker 1: and are you a believer?
[26:17] Speaker 7: Yes, sir, and I'm a believer, but I don't want
[26:22] Speaker 7: to be anymore. I'm a docs asked involuntarist. I don't
[26:25] Speaker 7: think I picked this. I don't think we pick what
[26:29] Speaker 7: we believe. I think we're convinced of it based on
[26:32] Speaker 7: I don't know, hosts of reasons. And then I kind
[26:35] Speaker 7: of feel like there's a degree of psychological damage that
[26:39] Speaker 7: happened in two believers, and I think that I can't
[26:41] Speaker 7: reason properly because of it.
[26:43] Speaker 1: That does make sense, and that is a real thing.
[26:46] Speaker 1: But unfortunately, your connection is really bad right now. Like
[26:48] Speaker 1: whenever you talk there's a lot of gurgling and burping
[26:52] Speaker 1: and whatnot. I don't know if your phone is actually
[26:57] Speaker 1: connected properly to the Wi Fi or if your WiFi
[26:59] Speaker 1: is just really bad.
[27:00] Speaker 8: Hud give me just a second way try it. Yeah,
[27:32] Speaker 8: you still want this, Michael, I'm here now.
[27:49] Speaker 1: Oh okay, Well we'll see if this works any better. So, Michael,
[27:52] Speaker 1: let me make sure I understand where you're at. You're
[27:54] Speaker 1: saying you you do still believe, and you don't want
[27:57] Speaker 1: to believe.
[27:59] Speaker 9: Yeah, Like I don't think that the God is a
[28:03] Speaker 9: good guy. I don't think Jesus is a good guy either.
[28:06] Speaker 1: Okay, so I think what's keeping you in the belief camp?
[28:12] Speaker 9: I don't Like I've been trying to figure it out.
[28:16] Speaker 9: I don't know, Like there's always just this thought in
[28:20] Speaker 9: the back of my head, Like despite all of the
[28:25] Speaker 9: I don't know angles and ways that I try to
[28:27] Speaker 9: come at it and all the books I read, that's
[28:29] Speaker 9: still just saying to me but what if you're wrong?
[28:31] Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because you're just afraid of hell?
[28:35] Speaker 10: Are you?
[28:37] Speaker 1: Okay? So there must be some reason why you believe
[28:40] Speaker 1: this nonsense. Why is it compelling to you?
[28:44] Speaker 9: I would literally, I'm telling you, I don't know.
[28:47] Speaker 3: I don't want to believe it, but I believe it
[28:49] Speaker 3: in spite of that.
[28:50] Speaker 4: Like it's frustrating as fuck.
[28:53] Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure you may not be able to articulate,
[28:56] Speaker 1: but obviously there's a reason why you believe it. Do
[28:58] Speaker 1: you still hold of the notion that Jesus is the Messiah?
[29:02] Speaker 1: Is that the problem? You think? Well? Shit, okay, Well
[29:05] Speaker 1: if Jesus is not the Messiah, then no one's going
[29:07] Speaker 1: to helm.
[29:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, but what if I'm wrong?
[29:13] Speaker 1: Well, what if you're wrong? What if you're wrong about Islam? Doo?
[29:16] Speaker 4: Right?
[29:18] Speaker 1: What if you're wrong about Hinduism? Like you don't actually
[29:22] Speaker 1: think that God's going to burn you for all of
[29:24] Speaker 1: eternity because you were wrong about something? Do you?
[29:30] Speaker 3: No, I'm worried. It's worse than that.
[29:32] Speaker 1: Worse Why would he? Why would any entity that was
[29:36] Speaker 1: smart enough imagine there's an entity that spoke all this
[29:39] Speaker 1: into existence. Why would an entity of that intelligence level
[29:45] Speaker 1: torture you for eternity because you just couldn't come to
[29:49] Speaker 1: the right conclusion.
[29:51] Speaker 9: I guess that's my point is if there is a
[29:53] Speaker 9: god that actually created all this, then he is a
[29:55] Speaker 9: sick motherfucker.
[29:57] Speaker 4: That's what scares me.
[29:58] Speaker 1: Oh, so you believe there's an evil god? Basically, Yeah, Well,
[30:03] Speaker 1: if the god's evil, there's nothing you can do to
[30:05] Speaker 1: not get fucked off by him. Listen, if there's really
[30:08] Speaker 1: an evil god out there that created this whole thing
[30:10] Speaker 1: just to fuck around with people, it doesn't matter what
[30:13] Speaker 1: you do, You're gonna get your asking no matter what. Yeah,
[30:16] Speaker 1: worrying about it's not going to save you.
[30:19] Speaker 9: I'm not worried about it in the sense like it's
[30:22] Speaker 9: just it's.
[30:23] Speaker 3: Not a fun place to be.
[30:26] Speaker 9: I know, it's I believe a reason, and I believe
[30:30] Speaker 9: reason could get me out of it, but it's so
[30:32] Speaker 9: far has not been effective.
[30:33] Speaker 1: Okay, I mean, so you obviously don't believe in the
[30:35] Speaker 1: Bible god if you think the god that created all
[30:37] Speaker 1: this nonsense could be evil. I mean, so, like, what,
[30:42] Speaker 1: why do you believe there's a god at all? Like,
[30:44] Speaker 1: what do we need him for?
[30:45] Speaker 2: What?
[30:45] Speaker 1: What? Gap if is he feeling?
[30:50] Speaker 10: Uh, it's.
[30:53] Speaker 3: It isn't a gap that there isn't a need for it.
[30:55] Speaker 9: I just have the sense that there is a cosmic
[30:58] Speaker 9: douchebag in charge of everything.
[31:01] Speaker 1: I mean, I don't see why. What would be the
[31:03] Speaker 1: difference between a cosmic douchebag and no god whatsoever in
[31:08] Speaker 1: the universe is chaos, I.
[31:13] Speaker 3: Mean, there wouldn't be a difference.
[31:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, there's no difference. To go with the easier one.
[31:17] Speaker 1: There's no cosmic douchebag.
[31:22] Speaker 9: If there's a cosmic douchebag, then there's somebody to blame
[31:24] Speaker 9: for all the suffering.
[31:26] Speaker 1: But you don't need to blame anyone. The suffering is
[31:27] Speaker 1: a product because we live in a universe that's chaotic, right, I.
[31:33] Speaker 9: Guess there's nothing to blame about it. So it's just senseless,
[31:37] Speaker 9: which is worse to me.
[31:38] Speaker 1: I mean, it might be senseless, but that happens to
[31:41] Speaker 1: be the case. It's kind of irrelevant. I mean, our
[31:43] Speaker 1: entire galaxy is gonna be completely anohidated one day, Like
[31:46] Speaker 1: we're not going to exist, No one's going to exist.
[31:50] Speaker 1: I mean, in the end, all suffering is senseless, right.
[31:54] Speaker 3: It's all just senseless all the way down.
[31:56] Speaker 4: I guess that's the problem.
[31:57] Speaker 1: It is the whole damn thing senseless?
[32:00] Speaker 4: Right to me?
[32:03] Speaker 9: It's like they're just the only difference of there being
[32:06] Speaker 9: a god or not is whether or not I have
[32:09] Speaker 9: a reason to be pissed off, or if it is
[32:11] Speaker 9: just complete apathy.
[32:12] Speaker 1: Then like I don't know to tell you, sounds like
[32:16] Speaker 1: you should see a therapist. What I think. I think
[32:19] Speaker 1: I have been for four fucking years. They aren't helpful.
[32:22] Speaker 1: Sometimes they're not. Yeah, you have to get a good
[32:24] Speaker 1: get a good one. I know.
[32:27] Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate you.
[32:28] Speaker 1: Man, Hey, sorry, I couldn't help any more than that.
[32:31] Speaker 1: I mean, like to me, like, I just followed the
[32:34] Speaker 1: evidence where ever evidence leads, you know.
[32:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, I guess.
[32:40] Speaker 9: Like here's what I get pissed off because this people
[32:45] Speaker 9: carry themselves with such certainty about a god, and it
[32:49] Speaker 9: gets me pissed off that people can just do that
[32:55] Speaker 9: without thinking about all the consequences.
[32:57] Speaker 1: Like say that again.
[33:01] Speaker 9: The certainty that believers have without any willingness to question
[33:05] Speaker 9: themselves is just I don't know, because.
[33:08] Speaker 1: I grew up with it. They were programmed from a
[33:10] Speaker 1: young age.
[33:12] Speaker 11: Yeah, but I was too.
[33:13] Speaker 3: I was raised in the damn thing, and it never
[33:15] Speaker 3: sat okay with me.
[33:17] Speaker 1: Some people question. Some people don't, all right.
[33:20] Speaker 3: I don't understand why they don't.
[33:22] Speaker 1: I can't tell you I'm not that person yet ask them.
[33:29] Speaker 1: All right, what was of Michael? Was good hearing from you,
[33:31] Speaker 1: But I got to get a theist on the line
[33:33] Speaker 1: that wants to argue with me. Okay, yeah, I know.
[33:36] Speaker 3: Enjoy your arguing.
[33:38] Speaker 1: Cheers, buddy, cheers.
[33:41] Speaker 4: Oh and you're wrong about Scotch.
[33:44] Speaker 1: I'm not wrong about Scotch. Scotch is delicious. Do not
[33:48] Speaker 1: profane the name of Scotch. Those are fighting words. Did
[33:51] Speaker 1: you hear that? Nonsense? I like to call her until
[33:54] Speaker 1: you ended with that nonsense. Constance was wondering if you
[33:57] Speaker 1: would share one of your lucid dreams. But I don't
[34:00] Speaker 1: write them down or remember them, so unfortunately I can't.
[34:04] Speaker 1: I do only have a memory of one lucid dream
[34:07] Speaker 1: from when I was like shit, back when I was
[34:09] Speaker 1: like sixteen, and I only remember it because I hurt myself.
[34:13] Speaker 1: I was having a lucid dream, and I it is
[34:16] Speaker 1: the weirdest dream. I was at like the city pool,
[34:20] Speaker 1: and somebody tried to fight me at the city pool,
[34:23] Speaker 1: and I woke up punching the wall. That's the only
[34:26] Speaker 1: lucid dream I ever remembered. I know they, I know
[34:29] Speaker 1: I have them, I just don't my brain doesn't care
[34:31] Speaker 1: enough about them to remember any of that nonsense. But
[34:33] Speaker 1: lucid dreams are wild. Master Machedeer, thank you for the superjest,
[34:36] Speaker 1: says made the hugeness of Doug Grace. You know what,
[34:42] Speaker 1: Master Machelle, here, we gotta get theim out of here.
[34:44] Speaker 1: We gotta ban him. Good to see you, buddy, Pierle says,
[34:50] Speaker 1: I'll pass on the krackt and I too get knocked
[34:53] Speaker 1: up after two glasses of red Bull cocktails braised Doug, listen,
[34:57] Speaker 1: a little bit of red Bull, a little bit of kracking.
[34:59] Speaker 1: That's a part recipe. Like you're gonna be dancing on
[35:01] Speaker 1: the table with a lamb sheet on your head. You
[35:03] Speaker 1: got to be careful with that kind of stuff. And Yoda,
[35:05] Speaker 1: thank you for the super chest says good day, everyone,
[35:07] Speaker 1: Have a great and safe weekend. Be an asset to
[35:10] Speaker 1: our species. Stay rock hard for Doug. Blessed be The
[35:13] Speaker 1: Stone Pretzel shop is open. It sure is. The pretzel
[35:17] Speaker 1: shop is open. The ovens are at temperature. We're at
[35:21] Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty degrees. And here's our last super chat,
[35:24] Speaker 1: we'll get our next guest in here. Fiercely interaction, my friend,
[35:27] Speaker 1: great to see and thank you so much for the
[35:28] Speaker 1: tin doar superchat. You shall have no other gods before me,
[35:31] Speaker 1: So God didn't prevent man from worshiping other deities as
[35:35] Speaker 1: long as he was first. But modern Christians often say
[35:38] Speaker 1: it means no other god's period thoughts. Yeah, the Old
[35:42] Speaker 1: Testament is thoroughly henotheistic, meaning the recognition that there were
[35:46] Speaker 1: other gods is implied, just don't make them higher than
[35:49] Speaker 1: the high God. Deuteronomy thirty two eight makes this clear.
[35:53] Speaker 1: Sirac seventeen seventeen makes this clear. Psalm eighty two makes
[35:59] Speaker 1: this clear. Psalm fifty eight makes this clear. Uh, Exodus
[36:04] Speaker 1: twelve twelve makes it clear. The reality is the Old
[36:08] Speaker 1: Testament teachers, there are are many gods. All right, let's
[36:12] Speaker 1: get our next guest in here. We're gonna get user
[36:17] Speaker 1: nine nine seven two nine nine. How you doing, User?
[36:23] Speaker 2: How are you man?
[36:24] Speaker 10: What's going on?
[36:24] Speaker 1: Doing?
[36:25] Speaker 2: Good?
[36:25] Speaker 1: Thank you for asking?
[36:26] Speaker 10: User?
[36:26] Speaker 1: Are you at least eighteen? And are you a believer?
[36:30] Speaker 11: I am twenty two and that is a complicated term
[36:33] Speaker 11: for me.
[36:34] Speaker 1: Okay, so you believe in something.
[36:37] Speaker 12: I think it's the striving. It's almost as if like
[36:40] Speaker 12: it's a wish. Is kind of my sort of conceptualization
[36:42] Speaker 12: of it, as in, I would stray from having the
[36:47] Speaker 12: confidence to proclaim I know or even believe God exists.
[36:55] Speaker 12: It's more so I have this longing toward the wanting
[37:00] Speaker 12: of the existence of a God that to me. I
[37:03] Speaker 12: forgot exactly the name of the philosopher. I think he
[37:05] Speaker 12: was some European guy, but his argument basically was you
[37:09] Speaker 12: might be able to pick up have some idea of
[37:11] Speaker 12: who he is. Basically, the idea was the existence of
[37:15] Speaker 12: this internal spiritual longing for a God is sort of
[37:20] Speaker 12: the primary evidence for the existence of God. That's not
[37:23] Speaker 12: my perspective necessarily, but that's sort of how I would
[37:26] Speaker 12: conceptualize belief. Is I don't necessarily if that makes sense,
[37:30] Speaker 12: I might be sounding a little bit complicated, but you
[37:32] Speaker 12: could tell me, I don't.
[37:35] Speaker 1: Know who you're talking about. It could be like soaring
[37:37] Speaker 1: care co guard. I'm not a philosopher, so it's not
[37:42] Speaker 1: I don't know exactly he'd be ring to. I don't
[37:47] Speaker 1: spend a lot of time worrying about that kind of thing.
[37:50] Speaker 1: So it sounds like you do believe or either you
[37:53] Speaker 1: don't believe in you want to believe? Where are you?
[37:57] Speaker 11: I don't think I think that the idea.
[37:59] Speaker 12: I think that the actual rational human being does not
[38:04] Speaker 12: have a concrete position.
[38:05] Speaker 11: But I think do you no?
[38:09] Speaker 10: But but I have this.
[38:12] Speaker 12: Idealization of God in terms of I think faith is
[38:16] Speaker 12: impossible to explain logically, But again, I think many things
[38:19] Speaker 12: in life are impossible to explain logically. For example, love,
[38:23] Speaker 12: I can't get into that. We I'd love to talk
[38:24] Speaker 12: to you about beauty as well. But again, like for
[38:29] Speaker 12: hyper rationalistic people, my usual sort of questions go into irrational.
[38:33] Speaker 1: I guess I'm trying to figure out what your belief is.
[38:35] Speaker 1: Do you believe in a god or not?
[38:37] Speaker 11: Yes, I do believe that Jesus Christ is the son
[38:39] Speaker 11: of God. But I would I would never claim that
[38:41] Speaker 11: it's irrational.
[38:42] Speaker 1: Sort of.
[38:45] Speaker 12: Yeah, I'm saying it. I believe that it's irrational. I
[38:47] Speaker 12: just believe it's also true. Sorry to interrupt apology.
[38:49] Speaker 1: So why do you think it's true?
[38:51] Speaker 12: Because I have an eternal connection toward beauty, love, et cetera,
[38:55] Speaker 12: which to me is unexplainable through an evolutionary lens.
[38:58] Speaker 1: Is that not also true of Buddhists and Hindus.
[39:02] Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm not saying that.
[39:05] Speaker 12: I'm not arguing that Christianity is the only possible or
[39:07] Speaker 12: religion that could be true. I just also spiritually connect
[39:10] Speaker 12: to the story of Christ and Christ's teachings on an
[39:13] Speaker 12: intuitive level more than anything else. So to me, I
[39:16] Speaker 12: gravitate toward Christ.
[39:17] Speaker 1: Okay, so Christ is equally as valid as Karishna.
[39:24] Speaker 11: I would I wouldn't say that for me. Again, I'm
[39:27] Speaker 11: not I'm not saying that.
[39:28] Speaker 12: I Again, I think you're looking for rationality.
[39:31] Speaker 11: I'm not a rationalist. I'm not a philosophical rationalist, meaning
[39:33] Speaker 11: I don't have value.
[39:34] Speaker 1: True, you're in the wrong place because we're here talking
[39:38] Speaker 1: about what we think is true.
[39:40] Speaker 12: Well, my point is I would sort of want to
[39:42] Speaker 12: argue with you that rationality isn't a capable epistemological foundation
[39:47] Speaker 12: for determining truth.
[39:48] Speaker 1: That's really use rationality to come to that conclusion. No,
[39:53] Speaker 1: you don't think you'd be wrong. You think so. You
[39:55] Speaker 1: literally just made a rational statement. But the way I do,
[40:00] Speaker 1: you think the word means logic logic, right, yeah, Yeah,
[40:05] Speaker 1: a rational statement is typically something that is coherent with
[40:09] Speaker 1: the logic and the facts. Means to ask you a
[40:12] Speaker 1: question to reasonable inference. Right, So if you're saying that
[40:15] Speaker 1: your faith isn't a reasonable inference, or that it's not logical,
[40:20] Speaker 1: then all you're suggesting is that you want to live
[40:23] Speaker 1: in a land that's not logical. I'm not interested in that, now,
[40:27] Speaker 1: That's That's.
[40:27] Speaker 11: Not what what I'm trying to say is, I don't think.
[40:29] Speaker 12: That logic is capable of evaluating the total truth of
[40:33] Speaker 12: just in general metaphysical truth.
[40:35] Speaker 1: I never said it was. I don't believe in metaphysical
[40:37] Speaker 1: truths anyways. So but why Because all truth is u
[40:44] Speaker 1: is formed by observing, observing, and using using the laws
[40:50] Speaker 1: that we have. So the definition, the definition of true
[40:55] Speaker 1: means that something is in accordance with reality, which means
[40:58] Speaker 1: in order to determine if something is true, you have
[41:00] Speaker 1: to observe or examine what you think reality is. That's
[41:04] Speaker 1: what that is. So when you talk about like metaphysical truths,
[41:08] Speaker 1: you talk about nonsense metaphysical truth is the best you
[41:13] Speaker 1: can do is say that metaphysical truth is basically just
[41:16] Speaker 1: coming to an argument that can only be reduced to
[41:20] Speaker 1: some sort of logical value. That is true. But if
[41:23] Speaker 1: you say that logic isn't the only thing. There's something
[41:26] Speaker 1: other than logic that can lead you to truth. Then
[41:28] Speaker 1: you're just inherently saying that logic it fails. And I've
[41:32] Speaker 1: never seen logic fail yet, So I don't know what
[41:34] Speaker 1: to tell you.
[41:36] Speaker 12: So you're basing You're basing the the truth that metaphysical
[41:40] Speaker 12: truths don't exist because you haven't encountered them.
[41:42] Speaker 6: Is that?
[41:42] Speaker 11: Is that the argument?
[41:43] Speaker 1: No, When I'm suggesting that the only way to ascertain
[41:47] Speaker 1: what is the metaphysical truth is by using the laws
[41:49] Speaker 1: of logic, since you abandon the laws of logic and
[41:51] Speaker 1: those things, is metaphysical truth? No?
[41:56] Speaker 11: No, I get what you're saying.
[41:57] Speaker 12: What I'm trying to understand is you don't have any
[41:59] Speaker 12: rational evidence to conclude whether or not there are metaphysical truths.
[42:03] Speaker 1: I did. I just told you the only type of
[42:04] Speaker 1: medical metaphysical truth there could be is that which is
[42:09] Speaker 1: adherent to no adherent to the laws of logic. The
[42:13] Speaker 1: minute is no longer adhering to the laws of logic.
[42:16] Speaker 1: It can't be metaphysically true.
[42:19] Speaker 12: Sure, But what I'm trying to I don't, No, I
[42:21] Speaker 12: understand what you're saying.
[42:22] Speaker 1: What I do I do.
[42:25] Speaker 11: I just feel like something can be true without us
[42:27] Speaker 11: having the capacity to understand it.
[42:29] Speaker 10: I think that's genuinely so.
[42:31] Speaker 1: I never said you had to understand it for it
[42:32] Speaker 1: to be true. What I'm saying is to make a
[42:35] Speaker 1: truth claim, you need to find a way to tie
[42:38] Speaker 1: it to the reality that you're making the claim about.
[42:40] Speaker 1: Whether you're using metaphysics, whether you're using science, whether you're
[42:44] Speaker 1: using powers of observation, using your ocular nerves. You have
[42:49] Speaker 1: to find a way to say that my claim is
[42:51] Speaker 1: in accordance with reality. You can't say that my claim
[42:54] Speaker 1: is true and it's true because I feel it's true.
[42:57] Speaker 1: We don't do truth on vibes.
[43:00] Speaker 10: I don't know.
[43:00] Speaker 11: I understand that.
[43:01] Speaker 10: Again, I don't.
[43:02] Speaker 12: I wasn't arguing for the existence of Christianity. I was
[43:05] Speaker 12: just asking you a question. Again, I believe that my
[43:07] Speaker 12: belief is irrational. I also believe I agree.
[43:10] Speaker 1: I agree your belief is irrational, and for that reason,
[43:13] Speaker 1: believe for that reason, this is a nonsense conversation. I
[43:16] Speaker 1: don't believe any.
[43:19] Speaker 11: One rational question.
[43:22] Speaker 1: You don't get to ask rational questions when your starting
[43:24] Speaker 1: point is you don't have to believe rational things. That's
[43:28] Speaker 1: that's silly. You've now wasted five minutes of everyone's time.
[43:32] Speaker 2: Welcome in do Gold, Hey friend, how are you, buddy?
[43:36] Speaker 1: Good to see you.
[43:36] Speaker 10: But that sounded fun.
[43:40] Speaker 1: Could you imagine having your starting point of My position
[43:44] Speaker 1: is not rational, but you should believe it anyways.
[43:48] Speaker 10: That the fact that he even said those words out
[43:51] Speaker 10: of his mouth just defy all rationale. And to be
[43:54] Speaker 10: in with.
[43:56] Speaker 1: Crazy people are crazy.
[43:59] Speaker 10: And I've also decided you're not allowed to have a
[44:01] Speaker 10: restaurant about cooking unless you do a whole bunch of
[44:04] Speaker 10: philbro terms as the food, so like a French onion
[44:08] Speaker 10: pre supposition, oh or or kundalini with cream sauce.
[44:14] Speaker 1: Okay, okay, that's just the way it's gonna have to work.
[44:18] Speaker 1: I'm just letting you know I'm dealt with that. I'm
[44:20] Speaker 1: done with that, all right. Let me get I'm gonna
[44:21] Speaker 1: grab three super chats. We'll get our next guest in here. Pillow,
[44:24] Speaker 1: says poor Selina. Here change my name. Okay, pillow pants
[44:27] Speaker 1: is an interesting change of a name, says Happy Friday. Everyone.
[44:30] Speaker 1: Let's go well, Porcelina, Uh, welcome to the chat with
[44:35] Speaker 1: a new name. And we listen, we are underway. We're
[44:38] Speaker 1: glad that you're here. Thank you for supporting and she
[44:41] Speaker 1: she said, just try to help. I'm sorry, just to
[44:44] Speaker 1: help for some ice cream for you and your son.
[44:47] Speaker 1: Oh well, thank you so much, Sishi. My grandson started
[44:50] Speaker 1: driving this week. Need Doug in his car. Yeah, it
[44:52] Speaker 1: really does not on the accelerator, but he definitely need
[44:55] Speaker 1: Doug in the car. And shit, we'll definitely get some
[44:57] Speaker 1: ice cream. I super appreciate that. It's it's still it's
[45:00] Speaker 1: still July. Here, still July. Our last super chap come
[45:04] Speaker 1: in again from our friend David Burke. Thank you so much, David.
[45:06] Speaker 1: It says apologies. I'm told the Hebrew I sent you
[45:09] Speaker 1: earlier means what makes tonight different from any other night?
[45:13] Speaker 1: That was my prophecy for the show today on what
[45:16] Speaker 1: we will hear from our apologist friends. Well, I suspected,
[45:20] Speaker 1: I mean the prophecy probably is true. Will there be
[45:25] Speaker 1: something we hear tonight that is different than we've heard
[45:27] Speaker 1: on any other night? That seems to be the case.
[45:29] Speaker 1: In fact, it already seemed to come true. Now that
[45:31] Speaker 1: we've got a guest coming and telling us that the
[45:33] Speaker 1: rational position is to accept his irrational position, that's some
[45:38] Speaker 1: crazy shit already isn't there.
[45:39] Speaker 10: He's in the comments, still a bitching about it too.
[45:42] Speaker 1: I know he's in there, crying. Okay, let's get We're
[45:45] Speaker 1: gonna get Joe. Joe's been waiting the longest into the conversation.
[45:48] Speaker 1: Welcome in, Joe, Hi, Dustin, how are you doing? My
[45:51] Speaker 1: friend doing good? Welcome back Joe. What's on your mind today? Well?
[45:58] Speaker 3: I wanted to I've got high hopes for our conversation today.
[46:03] Speaker 3: I wanted to do something first, though, which is I
[46:07] Speaker 3: called in. I think I don't know, two weeks ago
[46:09] Speaker 3: or something, and I made a really silly argument, and
[46:12] Speaker 3: I wanted to retract that with all humility. I made
[46:17] Speaker 3: the argument that the states of matter prove that God,
[46:23] Speaker 3: that the three in one God is real. And then
[46:26] Speaker 3: you pointed out that there's four states of matter and
[46:28] Speaker 3: that I should google it, and so I did google
[46:29] Speaker 3: it and found that's pretty ridiculous. So I retract that,
[46:33] Speaker 3: and and I am embarrassed that I brought it up
[46:36] Speaker 3: and didn't know that basic thing about our universe.
[46:41] Speaker 1: So thank you. I'm learning. I'm learning.
[46:43] Speaker 3: I'm learning lots from listening to you and talking with you.
[46:47] Speaker 3: I'm wondering, would you are you willing to do the
[46:50] Speaker 3: same thing. If I can show you an argument that
[46:54] Speaker 3: you make on a regular basis that is just not
[46:58] Speaker 3: a good argument. But you know it's going to trip
[47:01] Speaker 3: up a younger Christian. Would you be willing to retract
[47:04] Speaker 3: that and never use it again? Like I'm I'm not
[47:06] Speaker 3: going to use the states of matter argument, no matter
[47:10] Speaker 3: how stupid I think the person I'm talking to is,
[47:13] Speaker 3: because I just know it's wrong.
[47:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, you think it. Willing to do the same thing,
[47:18] Speaker 1: I've done it many times in the channel. If you
[47:19] Speaker 1: provide me a reason why an argument I made is wrong,
[47:22] Speaker 1: I'll be more than happy to either demonstrate why your
[47:26] Speaker 1: counterclaim is wrong or why I was wrong.
[47:30] Speaker 3: Okay, fair enough to which argument you want to go
[47:32] Speaker 3: over again? I yeah, so I heard you yesterday. I
[47:37] Speaker 3: think talking to some people about the law, the duration
[47:42] Speaker 3: of the law, whether it's temporary or permanent, et cetera.
[47:45] Speaker 3: There you go, and there's a there was an apparent
[47:48] Speaker 3: contradiction in there.
[47:50] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[47:50] Speaker 3: Unfortunately, I'm at a disadvantage because I'm just at work here.
[47:53] Speaker 3: I cannot pull up my Bible. But I know you
[47:56] Speaker 3: know all the passages that I'm thinking of better than
[47:58] Speaker 3: I do. So I'll rely on your memory. So you
[48:03] Speaker 3: were talking about the the permanence of the law. Christ
[48:07] Speaker 3: said it was not going to pass away until heaven
[48:09] Speaker 3: and earth passed away. I believe that we are still
[48:14] Speaker 3: under the law. I believe that the law does still apply.
[48:19] Speaker 3: It applies completely. But as you know the Bible, no,
[48:29] Speaker 3: but that's part of the law.
[48:32] Speaker 1: Right right.
[48:33] Speaker 3: So I'm explaining. I'm explaining why. If you'll give me
[48:36] Speaker 3: a second, it's solely fine. If it needs to be
[48:38] Speaker 3: a really short explanation, I don't think I can do
[48:40] Speaker 3: a really short explanation. If you give me like forty
[48:43] Speaker 3: five seconds, I think I can lay it out.
[48:46] Speaker 2: Cool for it.
[48:48] Speaker 1: Okay.
[48:48] Speaker 3: So, the the motif in the Bible is that of
[48:51] Speaker 3: life and death, and we know that Adam died, and
[48:58] Speaker 3: Romans makes it clear that because we are in Adam,
[49:02] Speaker 3: Adam is in the Adam is the federal head of humanity.
[49:06] Speaker 3: We have died with him spiritually, so we are cut
[49:09] Speaker 3: off from God and we will also die in the body.
[49:15] Speaker 3: But Christ came, who claims to be or his apostles
[49:18] Speaker 3: explained him to be the second atom, and that.
[49:22] Speaker 1: He died a death for us. We know it.
[49:25] Speaker 3: Yep, Okay, so he died a death for us, so
[49:31] Speaker 3: I don't have to die under the law or as
[49:34] Speaker 3: a consequence of Adam's sin. And it makes it clear
[49:37] Speaker 3: that I died with Christ. And then it goes on
[49:40] Speaker 3: to pull the peril the analogy of a woman who's
[49:44] Speaker 3: married that if she commits adulter while her husband is alive,
[49:49] Speaker 3: if she commits adulty while her husband is alive, she's
[49:52] Speaker 3: an adulteress. But if her husband dies, then she's good
[49:56] Speaker 3: to go. She can marry again. Well, I would be
[50:00] Speaker 3: required to keep the law if I were still alive,
[50:03] Speaker 3: but I have died with Christ, and so I'm not
[50:05] Speaker 3: required to keep any of the laws. I'm not required
[50:08] Speaker 3: to keep a single law that is in So, so
[50:18] Speaker 3: do you understand it?
[50:19] Speaker 4: So?
[50:19] Speaker 3: Do you understand that?
[50:20] Speaker 1: Roman literally proves my point, which is that you're no
[50:23] Speaker 1: longer bound to the law. You've you've died in Christ,
[50:26] Speaker 1: and you're no longer bound to that legal contract. You're done,
[50:29] Speaker 1: which means temporary, not permanent.
[50:34] Speaker 3: No, I mean it's still ongoing for everyone who hasn't
[50:37] Speaker 3: died in Christ. It's still ongoing. Not to you, right
[50:43] Speaker 3: because I'm dead, but that But like so America has
[50:46] Speaker 3: laws against murder on the books. Right, just because somebody
[50:51] Speaker 3: dies does not mean those laws are no but no
[50:55] Speaker 3: longer on the books. They apply to everybody who's alive,
[50:58] Speaker 3: in perpetuity until that law changes. So just because Americans
[51:03] Speaker 3: die and the law doesn't apply to them anymore, doesn't
[51:06] Speaker 3: mean the law has ceased.
[51:09] Speaker 1: Do American laws apply to Canadians like in Canada? No? Okay,
[51:17] Speaker 1: you know. In Romans like chapter two, Paul goes on
[51:19] Speaker 1: to state that the law given to the Hebrews obviously
[51:23] Speaker 1: weren't given to all the people in the world, like
[51:25] Speaker 1: there are people in the world that aren't under the
[51:29] Speaker 1: curse of the law. The problem is that the minute
[51:31] Speaker 1: you assume that you are one of God's people, you
[51:36] Speaker 1: have to make a decision either you're under that law
[51:39] Speaker 1: or you're not. Now, the reality is, until you became
[51:41] Speaker 1: a Christian, you weren't under that law. When you become
[51:47] Speaker 1: a Christian, well, you now submit yourself to God's law.
[51:51] Speaker 1: I'm not under that law. I'm not a Christian, I'm
[51:54] Speaker 1: not a Jew.
[51:58] Speaker 3: Right, so I guess I feel like I've resolved the
[52:02] Speaker 3: issue of the law passing away.
[52:04] Speaker 1: You certainly did not. There's a conjudiction.
[52:08] Speaker 3: So did you not understand my analogy of a dead person?
[52:13] Speaker 1: I did? You didn't understand your own analogy? Yeah?
[52:17] Speaker 3: I do understand it. A dead person is not bound
[52:20] Speaker 3: to a law that still stands.
[52:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, which means the law, which means the law is
[52:24] Speaker 1: no longer binding. It's been abolished. That's what Paul says.
[52:27] Speaker 1: A Visions chapter two fourteen and fifteen has been abolished,
[52:31] Speaker 1: says it clear to day. Why don't me read it
[52:32] Speaker 1: for you? Yep, yeah, that's fine. Okay. Fesians chapter two
[52:37] Speaker 1: fourteen I'll put on the screen, although I don't think
[52:40] Speaker 1: you can see it, says he is our piece in
[52:42] Speaker 1: his flesh. He has made both into one and has
[52:45] Speaker 1: broken down the dividing wall that is a hostility between us,
[52:48] Speaker 1: abolishing the law and its commandments and ordinances, that he
[52:52] Speaker 1: might create in himself a new humanity. He abolished the
[52:55] Speaker 1: law and its commandments.
[53:00] Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, yeah, for those for those who believe the
[53:05] Speaker 3: law has been abolished by his death?
[53:08] Speaker 1: Did he say for those who believe him?
[53:11] Speaker 6: No?
[53:11] Speaker 3: But Ephesians is written to those who believe it's specifically
[53:14] Speaker 3: written in the opening.
[53:15] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, we agree that the Ephesians were obviously believers,
[53:20] Speaker 1: but he didn't say for those who believe. He says
[53:23] Speaker 1: the law was abolished with his commandments, meaning the Jews
[53:27] Speaker 1: and the Christians. That's why Paul goes on to tell
[53:35] Speaker 1: people not to get circumcised. That's why Paul tells people
[53:38] Speaker 1: that you can eat meat, sacrifice to idols because the
[53:42] Speaker 1: law is no longer binding. That's why in first Crient
[53:44] Speaker 1: thing is chapter nine, verse twenty and twenty one, he
[53:47] Speaker 1: says he himself is no longer bound to the law.
[53:49] Speaker 1: The fact of the matter is, he explicitly tells you,
[53:53] Speaker 1: as a Jew, that the law has been abolished and
[53:56] Speaker 1: he no longer has to abide by it.
[54:02] Speaker 3: Right, it's been abolished, but only in the sense, only
[54:08] Speaker 3: in the sense that he's died, and so the law
[54:13] Speaker 3: against murder doesn't apply to people who are already dead.
[54:17] Speaker 1: Okay. So it's okay for Paul the lie. Uh not okay,
[54:23] Speaker 1: But he doesn't have to fall the law anymore. No,
[54:26] Speaker 1: he does.
[54:27] Speaker 3: No, he does not have to follow that law, okay.
[54:29] Speaker 3: So murdering the law of love, so murder. He's under
[54:33] Speaker 3: the law of love, which trump no is murder loving? Well,
[54:37] Speaker 3: the law of love started in Levitica's nineteen eighteen. It
[54:39] Speaker 3: says the love of your neighbor. Uh, this is where
[54:42] Speaker 3: the golden rule comes from.
[54:43] Speaker 1: It also says that you can kidnap women and children
[54:46] Speaker 1: in Deuteronomy, and that you can own slaves in Leviticus. So,
[54:50] Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned, there's a reason. As long
[54:52] Speaker 1: as you have a reason to do these horrible atrocities,
[54:55] Speaker 1: you can still consider it loving your neighbor. So I
[55:02] Speaker 1: don't so it is Paul would be okay for Paul
[55:06] Speaker 1: to own slaves? Uh?
[55:10] Speaker 3: So we I would. I'm interested in still having that
[55:12] Speaker 3: slave conversation. But I think we're we're diverting. I'm not diverting.
[55:16] Speaker 1: I'm asking a really easy logical question, which is, would
[55:20] Speaker 1: it be okay would it be permissible for Paul to
[55:22] Speaker 1: own slaves.
[55:26] Speaker 3: Under certain circumstances?
[55:27] Speaker 1: Yes, Like what.
[55:30] Speaker 3: Like if somebody were to go to war with the
[55:35] Speaker 3: country that Paul was a part of, Los, they get
[55:39] Speaker 3: taken captive, and then Paul buys one of those slaves.
[55:42] Speaker 3: He could have done that, so Paul can just go
[55:44] Speaker 3: buy a slaver to rack up and yeah, okay, so
[55:48] Speaker 3: slavery is not bad. I don't believe fundamentally, at its core,
[55:55] Speaker 3: slavery is bad. I think slavery is an institution that
[55:58] Speaker 3: could be done horribly wrong where it can be done well.
[56:01] Speaker 1: Okay, so there's nothing wrong with the Confederates owning slaves
[56:04] Speaker 1: then as long as they didn't like to treat them badly.
[56:09] Speaker 3: No, because those slaves were bought. My understanding is that
[56:11] Speaker 3: they those people were kidnapped in their homeland, and.
[56:14] Speaker 1: It's the same thing. It's literally the same thing you
[56:17] Speaker 1: just mentioned. They were they lost, they lost, they lost
[56:22] Speaker 1: in a tribal warfare, and then they were sold off
[56:25] Speaker 1: to foreigners, the same thing you literally just said about Paul.
[56:30] Speaker 1: So Paul could own a slave that lost.
[56:32] Speaker 3: The understanding of the acquisition of the slaves may be different,
[56:35] Speaker 3: maybe wrong. I understood that they were African tribes that
[56:39] Speaker 3: simply went on raiding parties. There were no beefs with
[56:43] Speaker 3: the tribes. They just went to grab slaves to sell
[56:45] Speaker 3: to the Europeans. Maybe that's wrong, that's not universally the case.
[56:49] Speaker 3: There's about a dozen ways people became slaves. Some of
[56:52] Speaker 3: them were legitimately sold, meaning they got into a fight
[56:55] Speaker 3: with the neighboring tribe. The neighboring tribe captured them and
[56:58] Speaker 3: then sold them as slaves to owners.
[57:01] Speaker 1: Happened all the time.
[57:02] Speaker 3: Yes, so okay, yeah, So, like I said, I'm very
[57:06] Speaker 3: happy to pivot into the slave conversation. Well, that's I
[57:10] Speaker 3: would like.
[57:11] Speaker 1: To close that we're actually we're actually not in the
[57:13] Speaker 1: slave conversation yet. What I'm trying to figure out is
[57:16] Speaker 1: if Paul doesn't have to abide by the Old Testament
[57:20] Speaker 1: law anymore, what's stopping him from owning slaves? The law
[57:27] Speaker 1: of love?
[57:28] Speaker 3: He he didn't frequently he tells, or not frequently, but
[57:33] Speaker 3: there's instances of him speaking to the church of saying,
[57:36] Speaker 3: you have the right to do this, that or the
[57:38] Speaker 3: other thing. But because you are freed in Christ, because
[57:43] Speaker 3: you have liberty, use your liberty as an outlet for
[57:47] Speaker 3: grace and mercy, not as an outlet to get the
[57:49] Speaker 3: last penny or the last retainment that you deserve.
[57:53] Speaker 1: It's weird because I believe Paul himself gives instructions to
[57:57] Speaker 1: slave owners, and he doesn't say they're freedom. He doesn't
[58:00] Speaker 1: say that it's not loving to own them either. If
[58:03] Speaker 1: it's a Fesians chapter six, verse nine.
[58:07] Speaker 3: Yeah, I have I have no problem with that particular situation.
[58:13] Speaker 1: So it sounds like Paul disagrees with you. He disagrees
[58:16] Speaker 1: with you on the law end slavery. It looks like.
[58:21] Speaker 3: I totally missed your your link there, I'm agreeing with Paul.
[58:24] Speaker 1: You're you're not. Paul disagrees with you. You think you're agreeing
[58:27] Speaker 1: with Paul, but you're not.
[58:28] Speaker 3: I agree with Paul that masters should treat their slaves
[58:34] Speaker 3: well as one who as as one who knows that
[58:38] Speaker 3: they also have a master in heaven.
[58:40] Speaker 1: Okay, So you can own slave as long as you
[58:41] Speaker 1: treat them good. Yes, okay. And you think property is
[58:47] Speaker 1: treating them good?
[58:51] Speaker 3: That depends. I mean, my brother joined the Marines, and
[58:59] Speaker 3: they they made it known that he was no longer
[59:00] Speaker 3: that he was a government property at that point. And
[59:02] Speaker 3: I don't believe that makes the Marines an evil. He
[59:06] Speaker 3: signed a contract right, right, and and so and so
[59:13] Speaker 3: that's why the situation for getting slaves in the Old
[59:17] Speaker 3: Testament was specific to debt and war. Oh that's wrong,
[59:21] Speaker 3: completely wrong, and not even close to being true. That's
[59:24] Speaker 3: a fantasy.
[59:25] Speaker 1: So your brother is signed up for a four year
[59:28] Speaker 1: temporary contract with the military, he gets to go FREEO
[59:31] Speaker 1: four years slaves don't. When somebody sells you as a slave,
[59:34] Speaker 1: you're a slave for life. They beat you. If you
[59:36] Speaker 1: don't work, they beat you if you don't obey. If
[59:40] Speaker 1: if you have children, your children become slaves of the
[59:43] Speaker 1: slave master. Did did your friends in the military when
[59:48] Speaker 1: he had kids? Did his kids belong to the military too? No?
[59:55] Speaker 1: Not technical No, So it's not the same. This is
[59:57] Speaker 1: a bad equivocation, right right, Okay, that's fine, Okay, So
[1:00:03] Speaker 1: let's talk. Let's finish this conversation about the law. Paul
[1:00:06] Speaker 1: clearly states that the law is no longer binding for him.
[1:00:09] Speaker 1: He clearly states in Ephesians that it was abolished, and
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: the Book of Hebrews clearly states that Jesus is the
[1:00:15] Speaker 1: final sacrifice. So I'm trying to figure out what this
[1:00:19] Speaker 1: nonsense word game you're trying to play is. Rather than
[1:00:23] Speaker 1: just admitting that Paul and others taught that the law
[1:00:27] Speaker 1: had been done away with, Mark chapter seven, verse nineteen,
[1:00:30] Speaker 1: clearly indicates that Jesus himself said that the dietary laws
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: were done away with. Have you read that one?
[1:00:40] Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I'm familiar with that.
[1:00:41] Speaker 10: Yep.
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: Okay, So Jesus himself says that nothing that goes into
[1:00:46] Speaker 1: your mouth makes you unclean. And then Mark comments on that,
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: and he says, thus he declared all foods clean. That's
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: the third of the laws in the Old Testament. So
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: I mean literally a third of the laws at a minimum,
[1:00:58] Speaker 1: are gone. They're done. So the law can't be permanent.
[1:01:03] Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, so so it is. It is permanent, and
[1:01:11] Speaker 3: you get to choose though, because Christ came with grace
[1:01:15] Speaker 3: and truth, you get to choose.
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: Hear me out.
[1:01:21] Speaker 3: You get to choose whether you're going to follow, whether
[1:01:24] Speaker 3: you're going to let the righteousness of Jesus who died
[1:01:28] Speaker 3: in your place taking your penalty under the law. See,
[1:01:32] Speaker 3: that's the thing, is that I the reason the law
[1:01:34] Speaker 3: doesn't apply to me is because I have already in
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: Christ received the full penalty of the law. There's nothing
[1:01:40] Speaker 3: else that can be thrown at me. There's no penalty,
[1:01:43] Speaker 3: there's no punishment that can come at meshed.
[1:01:47] Speaker 1: We're asking whether it should be followed. Should it be followed?
[1:01:52] Speaker 3: The law definitely gives very good guidelines for understanding what
[1:01:57] Speaker 3: God wants in the way of love. No, my question
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: is should you follow the law, Yes, in so far
[1:02:07] Speaker 3: as it guides me, as in so far as it
[1:02:10] Speaker 3: reminds me of what God wants in the way of love,
[1:02:13] Speaker 3: because that was his great commandment that he gave to
[1:02:15] Speaker 3: the disciples.
[1:02:16] Speaker 1: When was the last time we had bacon and.
[1:02:20] Speaker 3: A few days ago?
[1:02:21] Speaker 1: Okay, So you don't follow the law, not even the
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: easy ones.
[1:02:25] Speaker 3: So is it unloving to eat bacon.
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: If you believe you should follow God's laws? Yeah, it's
[1:02:31] Speaker 1: unloving towards God.
[1:02:34] Speaker 3: So I I you're not either I'm really bad at
[1:02:37] Speaker 3: saying this, which is very likely, or you're really bad
[1:02:40] Speaker 3: at hearing it. I am not under the mosaic.
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: Law, okay, because it's been a bauz.
[1:02:48] Speaker 3: No, because it's penalty for disobedience does not apply to
[1:02:55] Speaker 3: me because Christ took it.
[1:02:56] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you about the penalty. Focus up, Joe.
[1:02:59] Speaker 1: I'm asking you about the application. The application is different
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: from the penalty. There are two different things. The application
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: of the law says that you should not eat pork,
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: not even supposed to touch it. Yeah, the penalty is irrelevant.
[1:03:12] Speaker 1: I'm asking you. Does the law still apply? No, so,
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: then the law has been abolished.
[1:03:22] Speaker 3: It's been abolished for those who have died.
[1:03:25] Speaker 1: Right there, it goes, it's been abolished. Fantastic, congratulations, you've
[1:03:29] Speaker 1: only got there. For those who have died, you can
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: still it didn't apply to you beforehand anyways, which means
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: if you're a Jew and the law applies to you
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: and you become a Christian, it has been abolished for you.
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: It's abolished to everybody who is in Christ. If you're
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: not in Christ, then you're not a Jew. It didn't
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: apply to you in the first place.
[1:03:56] Speaker 3: Well, Paul says in Romans One that those who do
[1:04:00] Speaker 3: what is commanded in the law without knowing it are
[1:04:02] Speaker 3: a law into themselves. There's still so there's still a standard,
[1:04:09] Speaker 3: and it's based on what people know. And so I
[1:04:14] Speaker 3: I would have been held guilty and responsible for paying
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: for the sins that I know, even if I didn't
[1:04:19] Speaker 3: have the statutes and commandments given in ordinances to.
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: You wouldn't have been held accountable to the law of Moses.
[1:04:28] Speaker 1: God would not hold you accountable for a covenant you
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: weren't a part of that told you not to eat pork.
[1:04:36] Speaker 3: Right, but the covenant, Yeah, okay, I see what you're
[1:04:39] Speaker 3: saying with the pork, with the dietary laws, yeah yeah,
[1:04:45] Speaker 3: but I would still certainly have been held accountable to
[1:04:48] Speaker 3: what I knew about violence, about adultery, about theft?
[1:04:54] Speaker 1: What about cutting your sideburns?
[1:04:59] Speaker 3: If if I if I knew that that was wrong, I
[1:05:02] Speaker 3: would I'd be held accountable to that.
[1:05:05] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[1:05:05] Speaker 1: What about touching dead bodies? You're allowed to touch dead bodies?
[1:05:12] Speaker 1: Not according to the Old Testam of law that set
[1:05:14] Speaker 1: aside for certain individuals, and those certain individuals would have
[1:05:18] Speaker 1: to be cleansed afterwards.
[1:05:22] Speaker 3: Right, that's just, that's just we can thank God. I mean,
[1:05:26] Speaker 3: the Jews survived the Middle eight is because of those
[1:05:28] Speaker 3: cleanliness laws.
[1:05:30] Speaker 1: What about people with crush testicles?
[1:05:37] Speaker 3: Yeah, they were to be sent out of the they
[1:05:39] Speaker 3: were to be not allowed into the congregation the temple, right, Yeah.
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: I had a buddy that lost his testes in a
[1:05:46] Speaker 1: dirt biking accident. Is he allowed in the Assembly of God?
[1:05:53] Speaker 3: He is if he if he believes in the Lord Jesus,
[1:05:56] Speaker 3: what if he wants to become a Jew? That if
[1:05:59] Speaker 3: he wants to be a Jew, then no, I guess not. Okay,
[1:06:03] Speaker 3: don't have the temple anyway. So then for all the
[1:06:06] Speaker 3: Jews who convert to Christianity, the laws have been abolished.
[1:06:12] Speaker 3: For yes, for everybody who converts to Christianity.
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: If the words finally left your mouth, all right, fantastic,
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: the law has been abolished. But but yeah, so, so Bill,
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: are you trying to do? Do you enjoy You're trying
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: to do it? Do you enjoy this?
[1:06:29] Speaker 3: You're trying to do a gotcha? But you're not understanding
[1:06:33] Speaker 3: what I say. I understand what you're saying.
[1:06:37] Speaker 1: It's silly what you're saying.
[1:06:39] Speaker 3: No, you understand. You understand what I say.
[1:06:44] Speaker 1: I do it.
[1:06:45] Speaker 3: So, okay, let me let me set it back up again.
[1:06:47] Speaker 3: Here is the American law? Is the American law against
[1:06:51] Speaker 3: murder going to be abolished tomorrow as far as they
[1:06:54] Speaker 3: can tell. No, okay, So if I die physically today,
[1:07:03] Speaker 3: has the law been abolished? No, no, it's not. But
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: it doesn't apply to me because I'm dead.
[1:07:11] Speaker 1: Yeah, it applies to people. That's why I can. It
[1:07:13] Speaker 1: applies to people still alive though.
[1:07:15] Speaker 3: That's yes, that's right. But that's the thing. Is I
[1:07:19] Speaker 3: in Christ? I am not still alive. In Christ, I'm
[1:07:23] Speaker 3: counted as dead.
[1:07:24] Speaker 1: No, you're actually still the law. You're very much still alive.
[1:07:27] Speaker 3: But I'm counting, but I'm counted as dead.
[1:07:30] Speaker 1: That's an adorable play on words that he's doing in
[1:07:32] Speaker 1: Romans chapter seven. But that's not the reality. The reality
[1:07:35] Speaker 1: is you're both very much alive. Fact, you're made alive
[1:07:38] Speaker 1: in Christ, not dead in Christ.
[1:07:41] Speaker 3: Yes, I'm made alive to a new law, to another master. Yeah,
[1:07:46] Speaker 3: and that's the whole point. Yeah, talking about that woman
[1:07:49] Speaker 3: adultery for.
[1:07:49] Speaker 1: You, the old law has been abolished because you're still
[1:07:56] Speaker 1: very much alive. What part of you has died?
[1:08:00] Speaker 3: Meet the old man with its sin?
[1:08:04] Speaker 10: What is that?
[1:08:05] Speaker 1: What is the old man?
[1:08:08] Speaker 3: The old man is my the old part of me
[1:08:10] Speaker 3: that wanted to do evil, so wanted to No, I
[1:08:16] Speaker 3: do still sin.
[1:08:17] Speaker 1: So it sounds like you're still the old man.
[1:08:20] Speaker 3: I still have the old man with me.
[1:08:23] Speaker 1: Sounds like you got the old man. You're not dead
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: and you're not abolished the law yet.
[1:08:26] Speaker 3: Then well, well, I I keep saying counted, I have
[1:08:32] Speaker 3: been accounted dead because Christ took Christ. Christ took the
[1:08:38] Speaker 3: death that I deserve, and so I'm counted dead in him,
[1:08:42] Speaker 3: and he lived the life that I ought to have lived.
[1:08:44] Speaker 3: Christ as alive in him. Right, Okay, so you're alive,
[1:08:49] Speaker 3: not a substitution. I'm physically alive and spiritually alive.
[1:08:53] Speaker 1: But you haven't physically or spiritually died.
[1:08:59] Speaker 3: My relationship ship to the law has died. Because I
[1:09:04] Speaker 3: met with Christ who died as the ultimate sin bearer.
[1:09:09] Speaker 1: And we just covered this. You didn't die. Nothing about
[1:09:11] Speaker 1: you died. You still have the sin nature. You're still
[1:09:14] Speaker 1: humanly alive, you're still spiritually alive. Nothing died. It's an
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: adorable understand. I know it's not true.
[1:09:20] Speaker 3: I know that you do understand, and that you're just
[1:09:23] Speaker 3: trying to make go around and make this confusing. But
[1:09:25] Speaker 3: you understand the idea of I'm.
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: Not making confusing. I'm putting out the whole.
[1:09:29] Speaker 3: Understand Paul's idea of imputation.
[1:09:33] Speaker 1: I'm putting out the whole in Paul's metaphor. Paul makes
[1:09:35] Speaker 1: a horrible metaphor, and he makes a bunch of bad metaphors. No, no,
[1:09:40] Speaker 1: it's this is very certainly. Does then tell me what
[1:09:43] Speaker 1: part of you.
[1:09:48] Speaker 3: The part of me that is accountable to the law,
[1:09:52] Speaker 3: which is what that is? Well, part which is I
[1:09:57] Speaker 3: guess my soul. Your soul is dead again what I said,
[1:10:01] Speaker 3: is it so you're not made so?
[1:10:03] Speaker 4: Yes?
[1:10:03] Speaker 3: So so you you're doing really good job with this.
[1:10:06] Speaker 3: I will commend you. I have I've tried to keep
[1:10:08] Speaker 3: it clear that I am I've been counted as dead.
[1:10:12] Speaker 3: I'm not actually dead spiritually or dead physically. But that's
[1:10:18] Speaker 3: that's the whole concept of imputation, that Christ actually died
[1:10:22] Speaker 3: physically and he took my place in hell.
[1:10:27] Speaker 1: So you will be.
[1:10:32] Speaker 3: I mean, my body's going to die, but you're not
[1:10:34] Speaker 3: dead yet. It's correct. Okay, so then counted as dead.
[1:10:40] Speaker 3: So then law still applies to you.
[1:10:46] Speaker 1: I'm I'm counted as dead. You're not. Are you not
[1:10:49] Speaker 1: hearing me? Being counted as dead doesn't mean you're dead.
[1:10:54] Speaker 1: I don't know if you know that. Like, you can
[1:10:55] Speaker 1: be counted on the football team, but if you're not
[1:10:58] Speaker 1: on that team, you're not on the team. It doesn't
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: matter if your name's on the roster.
[1:11:01] Speaker 3: It depends who. It depends who's doing the counting.
[1:11:04] Speaker 1: If the coach. If the coach is there and he's like,
[1:11:07] Speaker 1: I don't see this, Joe, dude, and you're like, well, fuck,
[1:11:10] Speaker 1: I looked at the program that they handed out and
[1:11:11] Speaker 1: my name's in the program. Doesn't matter.
[1:11:13] Speaker 3: You're not on the team, but my name is written
[1:11:18] Speaker 3: in the book of life. So I'm counted in the
[1:11:21] Speaker 3: one most important place imaginable because you're not dead yet.
[1:11:26] Speaker 3: That's why. That's why Christ. Yeah, so that's the though.
[1:11:30] Speaker 3: Like I'm not actually righteous either, Like I'm trying to
[1:11:34] Speaker 3: be a good person. I'm trying to follow the commands
[1:11:36] Speaker 3: of God. But but there's no way God would let
[1:11:40] Speaker 3: me as I am into heaven. The reason I get
[1:11:43] Speaker 3: into heaven is because I have been accounted as righteous.
[1:11:46] Speaker 1: Why wouldn't He let people into heaven?
[1:11:49] Speaker 3: Because He's holy and good and I'm sinful and wicked.
[1:11:53] Speaker 3: So do you think he he thought we were going.
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: To be perfect?
[1:12:01] Speaker 4: Oh?
[1:12:01] Speaker 1: Man, So are you gonna pivot again? No, I'm responding.
[1:12:05] Speaker 1: I'm responding to Joe. I'm responding to the nonsense preaching
[1:12:09] Speaker 1: that you brought up. You started going down this preaching diatribe.
[1:12:13] Speaker 1: I'm responding to it. This is the problem. You keep
[1:12:16] Speaker 1: going down like these little tiny rabbit holes, and then
[1:12:19] Speaker 1: you get mad when I follow you down there. You
[1:12:21] Speaker 1: can't get mad at me for following your rabbit You
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: brought it up already.
[1:12:28] Speaker 3: I'll replay the tape layer and see what rabbit hole
[1:12:30] Speaker 3: you're talking about. No, So, I mean, I'm just trying
[1:12:33] Speaker 3: to make the simple point that the law still stands
[1:12:37] Speaker 3: for those who are alive. I have been counted dead,
[1:12:40] Speaker 3: and therefore it doesn't stand.
[1:12:42] Speaker 1: So you're not dead. I'm not dead. Okay, so then
[1:12:46] Speaker 1: the law still does apply to you.
[1:12:49] Speaker 3: I am counted dead.
[1:12:50] Speaker 1: I don't think you know what that means. What do
[1:12:52] Speaker 1: you think being counted dead means being reckoned?
[1:12:57] Speaker 3: Being put on a piece of paper like you gave
[1:13:00] Speaker 3: the illustration the roster.
[1:13:02] Speaker 1: Mm hmm.
[1:13:02] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm dead on God's on God's piece of paper
[1:13:05] Speaker 3: where he's keeping track of who's dead and who's alive.
[1:13:07] Speaker 3: I'm counted as dead. Does being written on a piece
[1:13:10] Speaker 3: of paper make you dead? If God's the one writing
[1:13:14] Speaker 3: you on this piece of paper, it does make me.
[1:13:16] Speaker 3: You're good as dead.
[1:13:17] Speaker 1: No, that's a logical contradiction. Want me to do that
[1:13:24] Speaker 1: one for him? Yeah? I mean.
[1:13:33] Speaker 3: The scripture, No, you're good. The scripture is is very
[1:13:36] Speaker 3: consistent on this that when somebody dies or is counted
[1:13:42] Speaker 3: as dead, the law has no binding power on them anymore.
[1:13:47] Speaker 1: Cool, So when you die, it won't apply to you anymore.
[1:13:51] Speaker 3: It already doesn't apply to me, because in God's eyes,
[1:13:54] Speaker 3: who is the beginning? It was the first and the last.
[1:13:56] Speaker 3: He's the beginning in the end, I'm already dead.
[1:14:01] Speaker 4: You couldn't.
[1:14:01] Speaker 1: You couldn't articulate this single thing that was dead yet
[1:14:08] Speaker 1: say that again. You couldn't articulate a single thing that
[1:14:10] Speaker 1: is dead yet? Oh too, bro.
[1:14:17] Speaker 3: Am I getting muted just when I say accounted or
[1:14:20] Speaker 3: reckoned dead?
[1:14:24] Speaker 1: Okay, okay, so if you're accounted, you're not dead. Just
[1:14:28] Speaker 1: just be clear.
[1:14:30] Speaker 2: But I'll I'll make this.
[1:14:31] Speaker 1: Okay, hold on, let me so, I'm gonna saw a
[1:14:34] Speaker 1: picture real quick. I won't be able to see it,
[1:14:37] Speaker 1: but you don't.
[1:14:39] Speaker 3: While you're drawing that, I'll make another analogy.
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: Okay, go ahead.
[1:14:47] Speaker 3: And that would be like a will, where when somebody
[1:14:50] Speaker 3: dies they give their inheritance to somebody, and a lot
[1:14:56] Speaker 3: of times that those finances are not accessible to that
[1:15:00] Speaker 3: person until a certain coming age, coming of age. But
[1:15:03] Speaker 3: it's still like if you have two million dollars in
[1:15:06] Speaker 3: your account that you can't get to, you're still accounted
[1:15:09] Speaker 3: a millionaire. You just got to wait until it's actuated.
[1:15:14] Speaker 3: It's the same thing for me. I'm I'm accounted righteous
[1:15:19] Speaker 3: and I'm accounted as dead. I'm going to die physically,
[1:15:23] Speaker 3: not for my sin, but just because of the curse
[1:15:26] Speaker 3: of Adam. I'm going to die for my sin. But
[1:15:29] Speaker 3: just because it's not been actuated yet, it doesn't mean
[1:15:32] Speaker 3: it hasn't happened, or that things aren't in place that
[1:15:36] Speaker 3: I can be accounted as dead, just like I could
[1:15:38] Speaker 3: be accounted as a millionaire just because I don't yet
[1:15:41] Speaker 3: at this moment, have funds to the money that's in
[1:15:44] Speaker 3: my name.
[1:15:45] Speaker 1: Not having access has nothing to do with him around.
[1:15:47] Speaker 1: You're a millionaire. Okay, So I drew a picture of
[1:15:49] Speaker 1: me the stick figure. I'm going to do this. I'm
[1:15:51] Speaker 1: going to put a big X through the stick figure
[1:15:54] Speaker 1: and I'm going to write dead underneath it. Now, according
[1:15:59] Speaker 1: to the accoun ounting on this tablet, I am dead.
[1:16:03] Speaker 1: Am I dead right now?
[1:16:07] Speaker 13: No?
[1:16:07] Speaker 1: Because you're the one doing the accounting and that's not
[1:16:09] Speaker 1: But it says I'm dead. The document says I'm dead.
[1:16:15] Speaker 3: But you don't have the power to speak life with
[1:16:17] Speaker 3: your words. God has the power to speak life and
[1:16:19] Speaker 3: to speak death. So when speak something.
[1:16:21] Speaker 1: Can something be dead and alive at the same time? Uh?
[1:16:27] Speaker 3: Not at the same time and in the same way.
[1:16:30] Speaker 1: Okay, So if you're alive and God says you're dead,
[1:16:32] Speaker 1: you're either alive or dead. You can't be both. So
[1:16:34] Speaker 1: are you alive or dead?
[1:16:37] Speaker 3: I'm alive, then you're not a point in time. You're
[1:16:45] Speaker 3: either alive or dead. So so I've tried to get
[1:16:49] Speaker 3: so I'll give you another banking illustration. I put money
[1:16:52] Speaker 3: in my account. It says money in the account, but
[1:17:01] Speaker 3: it also it's pending, and so it's in the account,
[1:17:05] Speaker 3: but it's not in the account at the exact same.
[1:17:07] Speaker 1: Time in the account. But you can't spend pending whatever.
[1:17:13] Speaker 1: You're right, you can't spend pending. Yeah, all right, Joe, listen,
[1:17:17] Speaker 1: this went about as well as our last conversation did.
[1:17:21] Speaker 1: I don't know why you like coming up here with
[1:17:23] Speaker 1: these bad arguments, especially because I know if you get
[1:17:26] Speaker 1: on the internet you can find better arguments. But like,
[1:17:29] Speaker 1: you're always welcome to come back, but I just wish
[1:17:31] Speaker 1: you would bring better arguments. I yeah, I don't.
[1:17:37] Speaker 3: I don't know why you're deliberately plugging your ears when
[1:17:39] Speaker 3: I say accounted.
[1:17:41] Speaker 1: I'm not you're deliberately plugging your brain when I explain
[1:17:44] Speaker 1: to you why it's not a rational position.
[1:17:54] Speaker 3: Yes, I'm trying to think of a different analogy, but
[1:17:57] Speaker 3: I feel like there's lots of things in this world
[1:18:00] Speaker 3: that we know can be accounted but not actuated right now,
[1:18:09] Speaker 3: And I feel like you're just deliberately not wanting to
[1:18:13] Speaker 3: remember or realize that there's lots of things that can
[1:18:16] Speaker 3: be accounted, that can be put on your chart as
[1:18:21] Speaker 3: good as done, but it hasn't actually happened to you yet.
[1:18:25] Speaker 1: If my doctor writes me down as cancerous, Am I cancerous?
[1:18:32] Speaker 3: Nope? Again, your doctor does not have that sort of power.
[1:18:35] Speaker 1: Oh, there you go. Then accounting doesn't affect reality unless
[1:18:40] Speaker 1: the accounting is recording reality. So all.
[1:18:46] Speaker 3: Right, And I believe that God has the power and
[1:18:49] Speaker 3: the authority to record reality. I believe that all reality,
[1:18:54] Speaker 3: all reality, is in him. And so when he says
[1:18:58] Speaker 3: someone's counted as dead, that's good enough. He is the
[1:19:01] Speaker 3: judge who is going to bring a charge against me.
[1:19:06] Speaker 3: Now that if the judge of the world says that
[1:19:09] Speaker 3: I've already served the death penalty, who's going to come
[1:19:12] Speaker 3: and say, no, he hasn't your honor. He's his word
[1:19:15] Speaker 3: is final. He's slammed his gabble down, and I.
[1:19:19] Speaker 1: Innocent. I'm dead. Yeah, if he said something that was
[1:19:22] Speaker 1: not in accordance with reality, I'd tell him that he
[1:19:24] Speaker 1: said something that wasn't untrue. I'm like, I have a
[1:19:27] Speaker 1: I have a pair. I'll tell God what he needs it,
[1:19:29] Speaker 1: what he needs to hear. I don't care.
[1:19:36] Speaker 3: Well anyway, I think we're I think we're hung up
[1:19:41] Speaker 3: on the fact that you're you're unwilling to see that
[1:19:46] Speaker 3: there is just because it's complex does not mean that
[1:19:49] Speaker 3: it's a contradiction. No, Actually, what we're hung up on
[1:19:52] Speaker 3: is that you're unwilling to see how your explanation fails.
[1:19:56] Speaker 1: That's what you're hung up on.
[1:20:01] Speaker 3: So, but you're you're showing me how my explanation fails, right,
[1:20:04] Speaker 3: and it's over your head.
[1:20:05] Speaker 1: You're showing me.
[1:20:06] Speaker 3: How my just a second, you're showing me how my
[1:20:08] Speaker 3: three dimensional explanation fails by getting me a two dimensional analogy.
[1:20:13] Speaker 3: Oh that's not true at all, And that just doesn't
[1:20:15] Speaker 3: it just doesn't account for the person and the authority
[1:20:20] Speaker 3: of God.
[1:20:21] Speaker 1: What I did is I gave you a three dimensional
[1:20:23] Speaker 1: explanation that your two dimensional brain couldn't handle. All right, Joe,
[1:20:35] Speaker 1: I've got other people, and I don't I don't want
[1:20:37] Speaker 1: to overcook this steak. I like it only medium rare, Okay.
[1:20:43] Speaker 3: All right, hope you and your son I have a
[1:20:45] Speaker 3: good summer.
[1:20:45] Speaker 1: Cheers, buddy, appreciate it. Poculator, All right, bye. I've never
[1:20:50] Speaker 1: seen someone come up and run his head into a
[1:20:52] Speaker 1: wall as many times as Joe.
[1:20:55] Speaker 10: I mean, he smacked his head right into it and
[1:20:57] Speaker 10: just kept turning right back around.
[1:20:58] Speaker 1: I'll never understand why he does. He's he's special in
[1:21:01] Speaker 1: this particular case. All R, I'm gonna read some super chats.
[1:21:03] Speaker 1: We'll get our next guest into the guest box. I
[1:21:06] Speaker 1: think it's gonna be Amelia from our TikTok you, Marduke,
[1:21:09] Speaker 1: Great to see you today. Marduk says. The name of
[1:21:11] Speaker 1: the restaurant could be Sodomon Gourmet and Gourmet. Have you
[1:21:20] Speaker 1: had Blanton's whiskey? Okay, mar Duke, Blanton's is good. I'll
[1:21:23] Speaker 1: give him some credit. I don't pay the money for
[1:21:26] Speaker 1: Blanton's whiskey just because I'd like. It's not that good
[1:21:29] Speaker 1: that I would pay the money for it. But yeah,
[1:21:31] Speaker 1: Blanton's is pretty good. If you've got the money for it,
[1:21:33] Speaker 1: do it, absolutely do it, and nitty, says fellow Ohio
[1:21:38] Speaker 1: win bro date. In my opinion, yeah, I'm down for
[1:21:42] Speaker 1: a broad date. Uh D m me nitty, will see
[1:21:44] Speaker 1: what part of the state you're in. Maybe we can
[1:21:47] Speaker 1: go ship. Yeah, I already know where you're at, Ohio.
[1:21:50] Speaker 1: We're gonna have a broad date for sure. Phil at
[1:21:54] Speaker 1: Tax says, in my part of Canada, we call whiskey
[1:21:57] Speaker 1: fight fight and liquor.
[1:22:00] Speaker 13: Or.
[1:22:00] Speaker 1: That's a good one. Yeah. I think also goes by
[1:22:03] Speaker 1: liquid courage, although you can say that about just about
[1:22:06] Speaker 1: any alcohol fighting fighting. Liquor would be the right word
[1:22:12] Speaker 1: for it. Though. For sure whiskey is not quite as
[1:22:14] Speaker 1: popular in Canada other than like Crown Royal or like shit,
[1:22:21] Speaker 1: what's the other one that's popular? Forty Creek isn't too bad,
[1:22:25] Speaker 1: there's one more. I can't think of another one.
[1:22:29] Speaker 10: I'll stick to my elevation leaves.
[1:22:32] Speaker 1: Those are good, I approve, Peter. Good to see your
[1:22:36] Speaker 1: friend says, haven't studied linguistics. Color's ability to misunderstand non
[1:22:39] Speaker 1: English grammars is astounding. If you haven't studied it, don't
[1:22:43] Speaker 1: speak it. Yeah. I do agree with that sentiment, Peter.
[1:22:47] Speaker 1: So this is my opinion on people who get up
[1:22:50] Speaker 1: here and they say, well, I looked at the Greek
[1:22:52] Speaker 1: and Hebrew in like the strongest concordance. And here's my opinion.
[1:22:56] Speaker 1: Your opinion doesn't matter. If you don't know the language.
[1:23:00] Speaker 1: There's nothing you can do with the dictionary that's going
[1:23:03] Speaker 1: to fix whatever problem you're trying to fix. Not a
[1:23:05] Speaker 1: damn thing. I know some Spanish if words always mean
[1:23:08] Speaker 1: words like dude. I know some Spanish words. I can
[1:23:12] Speaker 1: get by in doing a little bit of Spanish, but
[1:23:14] Speaker 1: I don't know how the grammar works. I don't know
[1:23:16] Speaker 1: how to properly conjugate verbs like these are all things
[1:23:20] Speaker 1: you need to know to understand what a language is doing.
[1:23:23] Speaker 1: If you just want to know the definition of a
[1:23:25] Speaker 1: word or two, yeah, a dictionary can get you through.
[1:23:27] Speaker 1: If you want to know what a text means, you
[1:23:30] Speaker 1: need to understand the actual grammar.
[1:23:33] Speaker 10: It's like when people try to tell me what Hebrew means.
[1:23:36] Speaker 1: They don't. They don't. ONYX, my friend, thank you for
[1:23:40] Speaker 1: the supertest, has just got my diagnosis of type one ship.
[1:23:43] Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear about that. Pay parents knew? Wait?
[1:23:46] Speaker 1: Pay parents? I think are my parents? My parents knew
[1:23:49] Speaker 1: and didn't tell me. And since truck cut, Medicaid insurance
[1:23:52] Speaker 1: won't cover insulin praying to Doug. Okay, so type one diabetes. First,
[1:23:56] Speaker 1: I'm sorry to hear that. At least I think our
[1:23:58] Speaker 1: last president capped the payment or the price for insulin.
[1:24:03] Speaker 1: But it's it's it's a hell of a situation. I've
[1:24:06] Speaker 1: actually got a brother who's a lifelong diabetic and he
[1:24:08] Speaker 1: has to take insulin pretty regularly. It is manageable, Onyx,
[1:24:12] Speaker 1: it is manageable. But best luck to you. I'm really
[1:24:16] Speaker 1: sorry that happened to you. And what a horrible thing
[1:24:18] Speaker 1: that your parents wouldn't have told you. That's sorry to
[1:24:21] Speaker 1: hear that. Man, Uh, gear Gorilla atheists is I know
[1:24:25] Speaker 1: you're an experienced chef, but why do all your dishes
[1:24:28] Speaker 1: turn out so salty? Keep on cooking? I think it's
[1:24:32] Speaker 1: just my personality, uh gorilla. Some people have like naturally
[1:24:37] Speaker 1: like jovial personalities. But like I grew up playing sports,
[1:24:41] Speaker 1: so like I try, I almost treat this like it's
[1:24:44] Speaker 1: a sporting event, and so like the minute I get
[1:24:46] Speaker 1: into a conversation, I lock in, like someone just blew
[1:24:50] Speaker 1: the whistle and the wrestling match just started, you know
[1:24:52] Speaker 1: what I mean. So like that's kind of where my
[1:24:55] Speaker 1: head space typically is, which is funny because like, outside
[1:24:58] Speaker 1: of doing these debates, like I'm I'm the most peaceful
[1:25:03] Speaker 1: guy you've ever met. I don't argue with anybody. I
[1:25:06] Speaker 1: don't like I'm telling jokes. I'm having a good time.
[1:25:10] Speaker 1: A Losko says, if you create a peo box and
[1:25:13] Speaker 1: pray really hard to Doug, he might fill that peel
[1:25:15] Speaker 1: box with whiskey, just saying, well, shit, I have been
[1:25:19] Speaker 1: meaning to get a peo box. I promise I'll make
[1:25:22] Speaker 1: it happen eventually. I looked at the cost for the
[1:25:24] Speaker 1: peel box where I'm at though, It's like fifty bucks
[1:25:26] Speaker 1: a month, and I'm just like, uh, yeah, they're expensive.
[1:25:31] Speaker 1: I know. I'm still I'm still considering it though, also
[1:25:35] Speaker 1: sending you all of my big boned, big bone grace. Okay,
[1:25:41] Speaker 1: I like that one. Okay, I I can deal with
[1:25:44] Speaker 1: that one. That was a good one. I appreciate that all.
[1:25:46] Speaker 10: Right, back to huge grace again. Is that what's happening?
[1:25:49] Speaker 1: It's never gonna die, It's gonna be here forever.
[1:25:52] Speaker 10: I don't get it either.
[1:25:55] Speaker 1: El Travi says, when Justin starts cooking a theist, I
[1:25:58] Speaker 1: got Bubba's shrimp quote in my brain. You can barbecue it,
[1:26:02] Speaker 1: boil it, broil it, bake it someday it that's a
[1:26:06] Speaker 1: good thing.
[1:26:06] Speaker 10: Actually awesome.
[1:26:09] Speaker 1: I can go for some bubble gum shrimp. And Erland
[1:26:13] Speaker 1: says erratum also means correction. I didn't know that. Okay,
[1:26:16] Speaker 1: the dictionary didn't provide me with that definition. Was good
[1:26:19] Speaker 1: to know. I guess I wanted to replicate the Bible's ambiguity.
[1:26:23] Speaker 1: Guess I ought to have said, oh shit, co agendum.
[1:26:28] Speaker 1: I don't know that word either.
[1:26:30] Speaker 10: Hold on, no, I got look, made me break out
[1:26:31] Speaker 10: a dictionary.
[1:26:36] Speaker 4: Uh.
[1:26:36] Speaker 1: Corrigendia corgandum, there we go means a thing to be corrected,
[1:26:41] Speaker 1: typically an error in a printed book. That's it. Corrigendum.
[1:26:45] Speaker 1: I like that word. That was a good word. I
[1:26:47] Speaker 1: appreciate that. Erland, Yes, that fits perfectly. That's exactly what
[1:26:50] Speaker 1: we're talking about.
[1:26:51] Speaker 10: That's the whole damn Bible, it really is. So that's
[1:26:56] Speaker 10: just what I'm gonna start calling the old book.
[1:26:58] Speaker 1: Agand well, Peter's dropping some more knowledge. Peter says, ratum
[1:27:03] Speaker 1: erata equals footnotes admitting errors in text. Funny explanation, I
[1:27:09] Speaker 1: think BENJ. Benjamin Franklin used to. I'm sorry. Benjamin Franklin
[1:27:14] Speaker 1: uses them in his autobiography to admit to mistakes he
[1:27:17] Speaker 1: made in life, unlike God. Yea, I haven't known too
[1:27:23] Speaker 1: many times where God said oops. So there's a couple
[1:27:25] Speaker 1: of them though, where he did change his mind, like
[1:27:27] Speaker 1: Nexus thirty two fourteen Regret Yeah, justis sixty six. John says,
[1:27:34] Speaker 1: Lisa the Rainbow Draft bestows leaves upon you and blesses
[1:27:38] Speaker 1: this barbecue more. Hen h, I really appreciate that. Guys.
[1:27:43] Speaker 1: Not everyone knows about Lisa the Rainbow Draft, but she
[1:27:46] Speaker 1: is part of the pantheon. Doug does approve of the
[1:27:49] Speaker 1: worship of Lisa the Rainbow Draft, so don't be stingy
[1:27:52] Speaker 1: with Lisa and Iso. It says. Christianity makes people hate themselves.
[1:27:56] Speaker 1: They project that hate, so they might temporarily a rarely
[1:28:00] Speaker 1: find relief. How dare we love ourselves? Praise Doug. I
[1:28:05] Speaker 1: so this is actually a really good point, because like
[1:28:08] Speaker 1: for the Christian faith to work, like typically, you have
[1:28:13] Speaker 1: to not like yourself, right, So once you get rid
[1:28:16] Speaker 1: of that, once you get yourself to a point where
[1:28:18] Speaker 1: you're comfortable with yourself, like, the Christian message sounds ludicrous.
[1:28:23] Speaker 1: Tim says, erata equals a correction list of mistakes in
[1:28:27] Speaker 1: a book. I feel thank you for that. Tim. I
[1:28:29] Speaker 1: feel like we're gonna have a lot of corrections coming in.
[1:28:33] Speaker 10: We're gonna have a lot of aurana coming yeah.
[1:28:37] Speaker 1: Uh, space Lord says comic Douchebag was the name of
[1:28:40] Speaker 1: my failed high school band and or cosmic Douchebag. Listen.
[1:28:44] Speaker 1: I don't know if that's a great name for a band,
[1:28:46] Speaker 1: but it is catchy, like you're gonna like you're gonna
[1:28:50] Speaker 1: get some eyeballs for that one, So best of luck
[1:28:53] Speaker 1: to that. Leolanda says. Recently, I've been turning my camera
[1:28:56] Speaker 1: on while calling for God and want to know what happened.
[1:28:59] Speaker 1: No God showed or answered. That proves no God turning
[1:29:04] Speaker 1: your cameras on. I don't know exactly what you mean, Yolanda,
[1:29:08] Speaker 1: Usually I do you. Actually this might be a mistake
[1:29:11] Speaker 1: on my part, but Yolanda, I don't think turning your
[1:29:14] Speaker 1: cameras on is ever going to catch God at work,
[1:29:16] Speaker 1: namely because he doesn't exist. But he may not exist
[1:29:20] Speaker 1: and love you, but we love and appreciate Yolanda. Thank
[1:29:22] Speaker 1: you for being here. And Carnage just said to my friend,
[1:29:24] Speaker 1: great to see you, is yo, Carnage says, Rum is
[1:29:27] Speaker 1: greater than Scotch. I don't disagree. I like rum a lot.
[1:29:32] Speaker 1: Cider is greater than beer. And again I'm torn. In
[1:29:37] Speaker 1: the summer, I like cider. In the winter, I like beer,
[1:29:39] Speaker 1: but I if you're having tacos, it's got to be cider,
[1:29:44] Speaker 1: so I can side with you. And Spaceports said, red
[1:29:47] Speaker 1: Bull tastes like wet car keys.
[1:29:54] Speaker 10: That's the one.
[1:29:56] Speaker 1: It's not wrong. It's not wrong.
[1:29:58] Speaker 10: That's lot.
[1:29:59] Speaker 1: That's not elting. Thank you for the fifty dollars super chat,
[1:30:03] Speaker 1: huge w friend, thank you so so much, Eltin says Doug.
[1:30:07] Speaker 1: Forgive me for this, But how about we get a
[1:30:09] Speaker 1: mountain with googly eyes, a mote in the chat called
[1:30:13] Speaker 1: huge Grace. Please don't bare me.
[1:30:16] Speaker 10: I hate it. Oh God.
[1:30:19] Speaker 1: Okay, listen, if you can convince Noah's Lyons eight dead
[1:30:24] Speaker 1: babies on the arc, you know the user, if you
[1:30:26] Speaker 1: can convince her to make an emoji for it, I will,
[1:30:31] Speaker 1: in fact put it in. I will do it just
[1:30:34] Speaker 1: for you, Elton. I'll do it for you. I know
[1:30:38] Speaker 1: the jokes on me, and I'm okay with that. I'm
[1:30:41] Speaker 1: okay with the jokes being on me. I'm gonna grab
[1:30:44] Speaker 1: just a couple more super chats with my friends. I'm
[1:30:46] Speaker 1: sorry we had a lot come in during that conversation.
[1:30:49] Speaker 1: I don't want to get so backed up that we
[1:30:51] Speaker 1: spend two hours doing them. At the end, Ken, good
[1:30:55] Speaker 1: to see your friend, says on Ian's Live yesterday. We
[1:30:57] Speaker 1: not only learned words aren't words, but also food isn't
[1:30:59] Speaker 1: food to Doug be a dictionary that that conversation, I'll
[1:31:03] Speaker 1: net I never believed that guy. We had a ten
[1:31:07] Speaker 1: minute conversation on how unclean food in the Bible was
[1:31:11] Speaker 1: no longer food. Yeah, it's still food, it's just not
[1:31:14] Speaker 1: clean for you to eat. It's crazy people will do.
[1:31:17] Speaker 1: And Johnny says, did Jesus Resurrection count as a second coming?
[1:31:20] Speaker 1: I don't, because if you read what it says about
[1:31:22] Speaker 1: the second coming, he's coming in the glory of his Father,
[1:31:25] Speaker 1: with the power of all of the angels, and he's
[1:31:28] Speaker 1: going to be judging mankind. And keep in mind, it's
[1:31:30] Speaker 1: called a coming for a reason. His second coming, he
[1:31:33] Speaker 1: was still here, he was already here. Where did he
[1:31:36] Speaker 1: come from? He didn't go anywhere. You have to go
[1:31:38] Speaker 1: away before he can come back the second time. Lord
[1:31:42] Speaker 1: Aluminous Poos says, how many potatoes does it take to
[1:31:44] Speaker 1: kill an Irish man zero. Oh fuck, oh no, Lord,
[1:31:52] Speaker 1: that's cold, that is cold. I listen, it's funny, right,
[1:31:56] Speaker 1: you didn't want to say that a couple hundred years ago.
[1:31:59] Speaker 1: It's funny now. But Lord, that is savage. That is yeah,
[1:32:03] Speaker 1: that's sadge.
[1:32:04] Speaker 10: I was gonna say, is it still too early for that?
[1:32:07] Speaker 1: Like it felt? It almost fell too early? Jeez, oh
[1:32:15] Speaker 1: my god. Similaric says, got to get back to mowing lawns,
[1:32:21] Speaker 1: but I had to wish you a happy cooking sash.
[1:32:23] Speaker 2: Have a good day.
[1:32:23] Speaker 1: Well, thank you, sim I really appreciate that. Thank you
[1:32:26] Speaker 1: for the six sixty six hel nero and best of
[1:32:29] Speaker 1: luck on the lawns. Make sure you pay attention to
[1:32:31] Speaker 1: the edges. You can mess up the middle, but as
[1:32:34] Speaker 1: long as the edges are good, no one complains. Polly
[1:32:38] Speaker 1: Sorba eighty says, I plan to write an aposters letter
[1:32:40] Speaker 1: to the Catholic diocese where I was baptized as a baby.
[1:32:43] Speaker 1: Any experience or advice. I want my name out of
[1:32:46] Speaker 1: their records. Hmmm, good question. I don't know. I've never
[1:32:52] Speaker 1: written one. I've never been mad at any of my
[1:32:55] Speaker 1: ex churches. So Polly in my experience when I was
[1:32:59] Speaker 1: a Christian, I had a great time. I have no
[1:33:02] Speaker 1: bad memories of being in church, so I have no
[1:33:04] Speaker 1: ill will towards the Catholic schools I went to or
[1:33:08] Speaker 1: the churches I went to. So I don't know what
[1:33:10] Speaker 1: you would write, but I would just write a nice letter.
[1:33:14] Speaker 1: Could you please rescind my name from any of your
[1:33:17] Speaker 1: internal documents? Please? They'll probably do it. In fact, if
[1:33:21] Speaker 1: they don't, you can have a lawyer do it and
[1:33:23] Speaker 1: they'll make sure have it happened. But typically I'm sure
[1:33:26] Speaker 1: they'll be fine to do it. Truth says, Could I
[1:33:29] Speaker 1: order it an a la carte stone baked Christian? You
[1:33:34] Speaker 1: don't have to knead the dough. Listen, we can do that.
[1:33:37] Speaker 1: In fact, I've got a cooking stone downstairs in the kitchen.
[1:33:41] Speaker 1: We can get it out. We could cook up some Christians.
[1:33:43] Speaker 1: I'll get my chef hat on and we'll make it happen.
[1:33:45] Speaker 1: And two more super chats are friend oc says this
[1:33:48] Speaker 1: is for your ability to read through all of the autocorrect.
[1:33:51] Speaker 1: In my last super chat, Doug must be a Sears
[1:33:54] Speaker 1: though in rock Guard for Doug, Well, thank you for
[1:33:56] Speaker 1: the time that I was super chat oc and I
[1:33:57] Speaker 1: try my best. When somebody gives me a super church
[1:34:00] Speaker 1: and it's like it's bungled and it's hard to read,
[1:34:03] Speaker 1: I do my best to read them because I want
[1:34:04] Speaker 1: people to hear what you have to say. And last
[1:34:06] Speaker 1: one from our friend Narcissa, thank you so much for
[1:34:08] Speaker 1: the twenty dollars super chat friend says, what is I'm sorry?
[1:34:11] Speaker 1: What's with the three day feast? I love cooking things well,
[1:34:16] Speaker 1: so I've I've got time this week to do some
[1:34:20] Speaker 1: extra cooking, and I'm going to do some extra cooking
[1:34:22] Speaker 1: here in the next couple of weeks because I'm taking
[1:34:24] Speaker 1: vacation in August. I've got two weeks really about a
[1:34:28] Speaker 1: week and a half in August, where my son and
[1:34:31] Speaker 1: I are going to be like completely in communicado. We're
[1:34:33] Speaker 1: just going to be hanging out doing fun stuff. I
[1:34:35] Speaker 1: won't be streaming at all. So I'm getting it all
[1:34:38] Speaker 1: out now, so that that's kind of what's happening. All right.
[1:34:41] Speaker 1: We're going to get our next guest in the guest box.
[1:34:43] Speaker 1: It's going to be Amelia from our TikTok q. How
[1:34:46] Speaker 1: are you doing a million good?
[1:34:48] Speaker 14: How are you doing doing good?
[1:34:50] Speaker 1: Thank you for asking Amelia, are you at least eighteen
[1:34:52] Speaker 1: and are you a believer?
[1:34:54] Speaker 6: Yes? And yes?
[1:34:55] Speaker 1: Cool? And what God do you believe in?
[1:34:58] Speaker 6: The Christian God?
[1:35:00] Speaker 1: Okay? What'd be the most compelling evidence or argument for
[1:35:03] Speaker 1: the Christian God being real?
[1:35:05] Speaker 14: Do you mind if we talk about Isaiah fifty three?
[1:35:09] Speaker 1: I mean, sure, what do you want to talk about?
[1:35:11] Speaker 6: Okay?
[1:35:12] Speaker 14: So I heard you talk to another believer about how
[1:35:16] Speaker 14: the chapters that lead up to fifty three seem to
[1:35:20] Speaker 14: indicate that the servant is actually the Nation of Israel
[1:35:23] Speaker 14: and not the Messiah.
[1:35:25] Speaker 1: So there are two, possibly even three servants in the
[1:35:31] Speaker 1: whole second Isaiah, right, The first and most obvious, which
[1:35:35] Speaker 1: is the nation of Visrael, is mentioned like ten times,
[1:35:38] Speaker 1: maybe nine times. The second seems to be the Prophet himself,
[1:35:43] Speaker 1: who's mentioned, I want to say, in chapter forty nine.
[1:35:47] Speaker 1: And then there is a possible third. But it is
[1:35:52] Speaker 1: possible because the third could be interpreted as the righteous
[1:35:55] Speaker 1: Remnant of Israel depending on how you look at it.
[1:36:00] Speaker 1: There is an alternate interpretation, but it's just one mention
[1:36:04] Speaker 1: and it's kind of everybody's guessing as to who it is.
[1:36:08] Speaker 1: My personal interpretation is that the third servant is in
[1:36:12] Speaker 1: fact Cyrus, because God talks about what he's doing in
[1:36:16] Speaker 1: Cyrus before he calls them my servant. So that's anyways,
[1:36:19] Speaker 1: go ahead, tell me why you think that Isaiah fifty
[1:36:22] Speaker 1: three is about Jesus.
[1:36:24] Speaker 4: Real.
[1:36:25] Speaker 15: Okay, you said the second you think is the prophet.
[1:36:27] Speaker 15: You think the second might be Isaiah himself.
[1:36:30] Speaker 1: I think the second one is Isaiah. Well, the is
[1:36:33] Speaker 1: say the prophet, because I don't think Isaiah wrote second Isaiah,
[1:36:36] Speaker 1: which is you know, some people care, some people don't.
[1:36:39] Speaker 1: I think the other mention to the servant is in
[1:36:42] Speaker 1: fact Cyrus himself.
[1:36:44] Speaker 14: Okay, thank you.
[1:36:45] Speaker 15: Sorry, I'm taking notes. I can look into this and
[1:36:48] Speaker 15: come back later. So I get what you're saying there.
[1:36:53] Speaker 4: But when I look at.
[1:36:54] Speaker 15: Isaiah fifty three itself, there's some things like to me,
[1:36:59] Speaker 15: that interpretation doesn't make sense. For example, in verse number seven,
[1:37:04] Speaker 15: which says that the servant didn't open his mouth and
[1:37:07] Speaker 15: they compared it to they compared him to an innocent
[1:37:10] Speaker 15: lamb how boles is that everybody's guilty, So how could
[1:37:16] Speaker 15: that leave anybody with Jesus?
[1:37:19] Speaker 1: Well, Paul said that right, So now you're trying to
[1:37:22] Speaker 1: put New Testament interpretation on top of it. So, and
[1:37:25] Speaker 1: I wouldn't do that, like I don't interpret the Old
[1:37:27] Speaker 1: Testament through the lens of the New Testament. But I mean,
[1:37:31] Speaker 1: we can go through it and I can explain to
[1:37:33] Speaker 1: you why it seems to fit the nation of Israel
[1:37:35] Speaker 1: and why that is a more preferred interpretation as opposed
[1:37:39] Speaker 1: to the Messiah.
[1:37:41] Speaker 14: Okay, could we focus that's fine. Could we focus on
[1:37:45] Speaker 14: verse seven, nine, ten, and twelve.
[1:37:47] Speaker 6: Please?
[1:37:48] Speaker 1: Why would I focus on just those verses when there's
[1:37:50] Speaker 1: like eight other verses.
[1:37:53] Speaker 14: Well, it's because those are the verses that seem the
[1:37:55] Speaker 14: most to me.
[1:37:56] Speaker 6: Like for example, when I was talking about how.
[1:38:00] Speaker 15: Verse seven compared him to an innocent Lamb, like if
[1:38:04] Speaker 15: a servant, you know, God was punished in Israel for
[1:38:07] Speaker 15: turning into other God.
[1:38:10] Speaker 6: So that's there says that Israel is not innocent.
[1:38:13] Speaker 1: Well, so to be clear, you know, the majority interpretation
[1:38:16] Speaker 1: on is A fifty three is not that it's all
[1:38:18] Speaker 1: of the nation of Visuel. It's it's the righteous remnant
[1:38:21] Speaker 1: of the nation of Israel that's suffering in captivity alongside
[1:38:25] Speaker 1: the same way Jeremiah says that he was suffering righteously
[1:38:28] Speaker 1: alongside of israelm Okay.
[1:38:31] Speaker 6: So you're a claim.
[1:38:33] Speaker 14: Right, I'm sorry, your claim is that seven is about
[1:38:35] Speaker 14: the Righteous Remnant.
[1:38:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, let me grab my bibble real quick.
[1:38:39] Speaker 16: Okay.
[1:39:04] Speaker 1: The other thing that I would add is that, you know,
[1:39:07] Speaker 1: the reason why the interpretation of the isa fifty three
[1:39:12] Speaker 1: being about Israel makes more sense is because it coincides
[1:39:16] Speaker 1: with all the other prophecies in the Old Testament. All
[1:39:19] Speaker 1: the other prophecies of the Old Testament place Israel in
[1:39:23] Speaker 1: a similar position, especially in Second Isaiah, and none of them,
[1:39:29] Speaker 1: not a single prophecy about the Messiah says he's going
[1:39:31] Speaker 1: to suffer.
[1:39:32] Speaker 10: Right.
[1:39:33] Speaker 1: So, if we're just looking at this prophecy and we're saying, listen,
[1:39:36] Speaker 1: how do we make this fit the rest of the
[1:39:38] Speaker 1: Old Testament? I think reading it in light of the
[1:39:41] Speaker 1: context makes it fit the rest of the Old Testament,
[1:39:44] Speaker 1: namely that God is going to rescue his people from
[1:39:46] Speaker 1: Babylonian captivity. It's going to be so grand and so
[1:39:49] Speaker 1: special that all the nations are going to be like,
[1:39:52] Speaker 1: oh my gosh, did you see the thing that just happened? Purely,
[1:39:55] Speaker 1: Yahweh is the real Lord. Look at what he did
[1:39:57] Speaker 1: with his people, and that's the plan that that's what
[1:40:00] Speaker 1: he says he's going to do if you read all
[1:40:02] Speaker 1: of Second Isaiah. So that's why I think it's more
[1:40:06] Speaker 1: preferable because it fits the entire context of Second Isaiah
[1:40:10] Speaker 1: and it agrees with what the other Old Testament prophets
[1:40:12] Speaker 1: told you. Now, I know, as a Christian you don't
[1:40:15] Speaker 1: like that because you're like, well, it didn't come true.
[1:40:18] Speaker 1: God didn't restore the nation of Israel. All the people
[1:40:21] Speaker 1: didn't come to know Yahweh through the restoration of the
[1:40:24] Speaker 1: nation of Israel. And that's where I would say, yeah,
[1:40:27] Speaker 1: because God's not real, Like, if it doesn't if it
[1:40:31] Speaker 1: doesn't come true, it just doesn't come true. You don't
[1:40:33] Speaker 1: have to go back and reinterpret it.
[1:40:36] Speaker 17: Yeah, well, what's supposed to happen doesn't always happen with God.
[1:40:41] Speaker 1: But I agree, Yeah, a lot of the prophecies do
[1:40:43] Speaker 1: end up failing. Right. But let's read through, starting at
[1:40:47] Speaker 1: the beginning of it in fifty two, and I can
[1:40:49] Speaker 1: kind of show you how even when you get to
[1:40:52] Speaker 1: verse seven and eight, it doesn't make sense to think
[1:40:54] Speaker 1: of it as anybody but the suffering, righteous remnant of Israel.
[1:40:59] Speaker 1: If you go into chapter fifty two, which is where
[1:41:03] Speaker 1: the prophecy starts, you can't kind of see where the
[1:41:05] Speaker 1: groundwork is being laid already in verse nine to ten.
[1:41:12] Speaker 1: So in nine the command is given, break forth, shout
[1:41:16] Speaker 1: together for joy your ruins of Jerusalem. For the Lord
[1:41:19] Speaker 1: has comforted his people, he has redeemed Jerusalem. The Lord
[1:41:22] Speaker 1: has bared his Holy Arm before the eyes of all
[1:41:25] Speaker 1: the nations, and all the ends of the earth shall
[1:41:27] Speaker 1: see the salvation of our God. Now, up to this point,
[1:41:30] Speaker 1: if you haven't read all of Isaiah, or at least
[1:41:33] Speaker 1: Second Isaiah, you wouldn't know what that means. But he
[1:41:36] Speaker 1: tells you on about a dozen occasions that he's going
[1:41:38] Speaker 1: to rescue his people from Babylonian captivity through his Holy
[1:41:44] Speaker 1: and mighty Arm, his Arm of Salvation, just like he
[1:41:46] Speaker 1: says in Exodus that he's saving Israel from Egypt using
[1:41:51] Speaker 1: his outstretched arm. Which is why the very next line
[1:41:55] Speaker 1: in verse eleven is a depiction of that rescue from Babylon. Depart, depart,
[1:42:00] Speaker 1: go out from there, touch no unclean thing, go out
[1:42:02] Speaker 1: from the midst of it. Purify yourselves, you who carry
[1:42:05] Speaker 1: the vessels of the Lord. For you shall not go
[1:42:07] Speaker 1: out in haste, and you shall not go out in flight.
[1:42:10] Speaker 1: For the Lord will go before you. The God of
[1:42:12] Speaker 1: Israel will be your rear guard. So this sounds a
[1:42:15] Speaker 1: lot like the Exodus now, because it is. It's like
[1:42:17] Speaker 1: a second Exodus. He's saying, it's time to leave Babylon.
[1:42:20] Speaker 1: Let's get out of here. And then it continues so already,
[1:42:24] Speaker 1: like if we're just folowing in the context, it's about
[1:42:27] Speaker 1: the Babylonian captivity and the exiles coming back. Then he says, see,
[1:42:31] Speaker 1: my servant shall prosper. He shall be exalted and lifted
[1:42:34] Speaker 1: up and shall be very high. And this agrees again
[1:42:37] Speaker 1: with everything else God says about the nation of Israel.
[1:42:39] Speaker 1: He says in chapter fifty six that he is going
[1:42:44] Speaker 1: to exalt the people and that nations that do not
[1:42:47] Speaker 1: know you will run to you. In fact, let me
[1:42:51] Speaker 1: make sure it fifty five or fifty six. Fifty five, Yeah,
[1:42:54] Speaker 1: he says, nations that do not know you shall run
[1:42:57] Speaker 1: to you because the Lord, your God, the Holy One
[1:42:59] Speaker 1: of Israel, has glorified you. Right. So God's goal here
[1:43:03] Speaker 1: is to glorify his people when he redeems them from captivity,
[1:43:06] Speaker 1: which is why I'm reading this the beginning of the
[1:43:08] Speaker 1: Suffering Servant song in context with Isaiah saying, yeah, yeah,
[1:43:12] Speaker 1: God's gonna lift up his people, He's going to exalt them.
[1:43:15] Speaker 1: Is there a reason why I would read that differently?
[1:43:21] Speaker 14: Not that I can say right now.
[1:43:22] Speaker 15: I'm taking notes and I'll have to come back at
[1:43:24] Speaker 15: a different day.
[1:43:25] Speaker 1: Right now, And Amelia, keep in mind, I've been reading
[1:43:29] Speaker 1: Isaiah fifty three since I was a young teenager. I
[1:43:31] Speaker 1: know exactly why if you just read like chapter fifty three,
[1:43:37] Speaker 1: I know exactly why you would think this is about
[1:43:39] Speaker 1: Jesus because it sounds exactly like Jesus. I get it.
[1:43:42] Speaker 1: I get that part, but it sounds like a lot
[1:43:46] Speaker 1: of people too, not just Jesus. So anyways, in fact,
[1:43:49] Speaker 1: if you read the rabbinic writings, they point out that
[1:43:52] Speaker 1: there are other people who suffered just like Isaiah fifty three.
[1:43:58] Speaker 1: But anyways, it says, just as there were were many
[1:44:00] Speaker 1: who were astonished at him, So marred was his appearance
[1:44:03] Speaker 1: beyond human semblance, and his form beyond that of mortals.
[1:44:05] Speaker 1: So he shall startle many nations, and kings shall shut
[1:44:09] Speaker 1: their mouths because of him. For that which had not
[1:44:11] Speaker 1: been told to them they shall see, and that which
[1:44:13] Speaker 1: they had not heard they shall contemplate. And I think
[1:44:16] Speaker 1: this is kind of important as well, because this is
[1:44:18] Speaker 1: what Second Isaiah says about Israel. Second Isaiah says that
[1:44:23] Speaker 1: Israel is going to stun the nations and that the
[1:44:28] Speaker 1: kings are going to bring you their wealth. That's Isaiah
[1:44:31] Speaker 1: chapter sixty. He literally says, the nations shall bring you
[1:44:36] Speaker 1: their wealth with their kings leading in procession. So this
[1:44:41] Speaker 1: seems to fit what we find in second and third Isaiah,
[1:44:45] Speaker 1: where yeah, what God is about to do in freeing
[1:44:48] Speaker 1: his people, it's going to be pretty damn amazing, Like
[1:44:50] Speaker 1: the nations are going to be like, oh my gosh,
[1:44:52] Speaker 1: do you see the thing? And the last I'll say
[1:44:56] Speaker 1: the last phrase here that which they had not heard,
[1:44:58] Speaker 1: they shall contemplate. This sets up the next verse. I
[1:45:02] Speaker 1: think if you didn't read this passage, I could see
[1:45:05] Speaker 1: why you would be confused about who's talking in the
[1:45:10] Speaker 1: next chapter because it's not easy to determine. But he's
[1:45:14] Speaker 1: talking about the nations. The nations are the ones that
[1:45:17] Speaker 1: are going to contemplate. Is because they haven't been told,
[1:45:20] Speaker 1: they haven't heard, they don't know what's about to happen,
[1:45:23] Speaker 1: and they're going to contemplate. And that's why the very
[1:45:26] Speaker 1: next line is the nations, not the Jews, the nations
[1:45:29] Speaker 1: contemplating what they've just witnessed, namely the rescue of the Israelites.
[1:45:33] Speaker 1: Who has believed what we have heard? And to whom
[1:45:35] Speaker 1: has the arm of the Lord been revealed? Well, the
[1:45:37] Speaker 1: arm of the Lord was revealed to the nations, he said,
[1:45:41] Speaker 1: So just back here in fifty two ten, He's going
[1:45:43] Speaker 1: to bare his arm inside of the nations, right, and
[1:45:47] Speaker 1: he's going to do it by rescuing his people from
[1:45:49] Speaker 1: Babylonian captivity. So when I get down to fifty three,
[1:45:53] Speaker 1: I'm thinking, oh, this is a future thing that the nations,
[1:45:58] Speaker 1: namely Babylon is going to say. This is the words
[1:46:01] Speaker 1: from the nations. Well, what would they say if the
[1:46:05] Speaker 1: nations just witness God rescuing his people, namely through what
[1:46:10] Speaker 1: Cyrus did. If that's the case, what would they say? Well,
[1:46:14] Speaker 1: I think all of this, all of chapter fifty three
[1:46:17] Speaker 1: would be exactly what they would say if they witness
[1:46:20] Speaker 1: God rescuing his people from captivity. You know what I mean?
[1:46:25] Speaker 14: Yeah, I can see how you can see it that way.
[1:46:29] Speaker 4: Are you are you.
[1:46:29] Speaker 6: Recording this one?
[1:46:30] Speaker 1: Yeah?
[1:46:32] Speaker 6: When will it be posted?
[1:46:34] Speaker 1: It actually gets posted immediately, So all of my live streams.
[1:46:38] Speaker 1: When they're done, they go into the archive on my
[1:46:42] Speaker 1: YouTube channel under the live tab. I don't go in
[1:46:46] Speaker 1: and edit any of them. Whatever is up there's up there,
[1:46:48] Speaker 1: you know.
[1:46:49] Speaker 6: Okay, okay, yeah, I'm ready to keep going, all.
[1:46:53] Speaker 1: Right, Okay, So when we get into chapter fifty three,
[1:46:58] Speaker 1: there's some really interesting stuff, right. So it says he
[1:47:02] Speaker 1: grew up before him like a young plant, like a
[1:47:05] Speaker 1: root out of dry ground. And this is really interesting
[1:47:07] Speaker 1: because this exact phrase or a similar phrase shows up
[1:47:11] Speaker 1: in Isaiah chapter sixty, and it even shows up elsewhere
[1:47:16] Speaker 1: in the prophets, where Israel is likened to a young
[1:47:19] Speaker 1: shoot out of dry ground. But in Isaiah chapter sixty
[1:47:24] Speaker 1: it mentions that the shoot out of dry ground was
[1:47:28] Speaker 1: planted by Yahweh. In fact, let me grab it for you,
[1:47:33] Speaker 1: and it was it was Israel, It wasn't It wasn't
[1:47:36] Speaker 1: anything else. Is it verse four or five or six
[1:47:39] Speaker 1: where we are oh blah blah blah blah. I do
[1:47:43] Speaker 1: actually have it written down. I think it was Isaiah
[1:47:46] Speaker 1: sixty Give me one second to grab that real quick. Oh,
[1:47:53] Speaker 1: Isaiah sixty two. Sorry, I'm sorry, that's my bad. Isaiah
[1:47:58] Speaker 1: sixty two. Let me go to Isaiah sixty two. There
[1:48:05] Speaker 1: you go. Yeah, the nations will see your vindication, and
[1:48:08] Speaker 1: all the kings your glory, so on and so forth.
[1:48:11] Speaker 1: You will no longer be termed forsaken. Your land shall
[1:48:15] Speaker 1: no longer be desolated. Blah blah blah blah blah. What
[1:48:17] Speaker 1: verse was that? Sixty two two and four? Oh yeah,
[1:48:25] Speaker 1: I didn't read that parts two and four. That can't
[1:48:29] Speaker 1: be the one I was looking for. Oh no, that
[1:48:34] Speaker 1: wasn't the one I was looking for. I apologize. What
[1:48:36] Speaker 1: was I looking for? Oh? I was right? Sorry, I
[1:48:41] Speaker 1: can't read my notes. Isaiah sixty twenty one was where
[1:48:45] Speaker 1: it says what I was looking for. So I had
[1:48:46] Speaker 1: the right chapter. I'm a dummy, okay. So Isaiah sixty
[1:48:50] Speaker 1: twenty one. Let me put that on the screen. God says,
[1:49:01] Speaker 1: your people shall all be righteous. They shall possess the
[1:49:03] Speaker 1: land forever. They are the shoot that I planted, the
[1:49:06] Speaker 1: work of my hand so that I might be glorified. Right. So,
[1:49:10] Speaker 1: when I'm reading in Isaiah fifty three that there is
[1:49:13] Speaker 1: like a shoot planted or growing out of dry ground,
[1:49:16] Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, well, that's the nation of Israel, right.
[1:49:20] Speaker 1: I don't see why I would think that that was
[1:49:22] Speaker 1: a human being or anything like that, not that it
[1:49:25] Speaker 1: couldn't be. I just don't see a reason why I
[1:49:26] Speaker 1: would need to make that leap. And then he says
[1:49:29] Speaker 1: he had no form or majesty, that we would look
[1:49:31] Speaker 1: upon him nothing in his appearance, that we should desire him,
[1:49:34] Speaker 1: which matches prior descriptions of Israel. God says over and
[1:49:37] Speaker 1: go over again, like in Jeremiah and Ezekiel, that he
[1:49:40] Speaker 1: didn't select Israel for their beauty or for anything else,
[1:49:45] Speaker 1: and then he explicitly refers to them as the opposite.
[1:49:49] Speaker 1: They weren't selected because of anything desirable. And then it
[1:49:52] Speaker 1: says he was despised and rejected by others, a man
[1:49:55] Speaker 1: of suffering, acquainted with infirmity, as one from whom others
[1:49:58] Speaker 1: hide their faces. He was despised, and we held them
[1:50:01] Speaker 1: of no account. And this makes perfect sense about the
[1:50:03] Speaker 1: nation of Israel. If you look at their history. They
[1:50:05] Speaker 1: were beaten and battered by the Assyrians and the Babylonians
[1:50:09] Speaker 1: after them. They almost had no time of peace. If
[1:50:13] Speaker 1: you look at the history of Israel, there was almost
[1:50:16] Speaker 1: no time where the nation of visual was ever at peace.
[1:50:19] Speaker 1: They were despised and rejected by all the nations around
[1:50:21] Speaker 1: them for almost all of their history. So again I'm
[1:50:24] Speaker 1: still reading this as the nation of Israel. So surely
[1:50:27] Speaker 1: he has born art in Ferberudes. This is where it
[1:50:29] Speaker 1: gets interesting, born art Inferberudes and carried our diseases. Yet
[1:50:32] Speaker 1: we accounted them stricken and struck down by God and afflicted.
[1:50:35] Speaker 1: But he was wounded for our transgressions, crushed for our iniquities,
[1:50:38] Speaker 1: and upon him was the punishment that made us whole.
[1:50:41] Speaker 1: And by his bruises we are healed. So this is
[1:50:44] Speaker 1: where you start to get this really fun imagery where
[1:50:46] Speaker 1: the prophet is using like this substitutionary atonement theme. And
[1:50:53] Speaker 1: this makes sense because if you read Second Isaiah, what
[1:50:55] Speaker 1: he tells you is that Israel is being punished twice,
[1:51:00] Speaker 1: not once, but twice. In fact, it comes up again,
[1:51:04] Speaker 1: not just in Isaiah chapter forty. It comes up, I
[1:51:06] Speaker 1: want to say, in Jeremiah. But I don't think I
[1:51:09] Speaker 1: have to worry about Jeremiah yet, So let me put
[1:51:11] Speaker 1: Isaiah forty on the screen. So this is the opening
[1:51:17] Speaker 1: of Second Isaiah, which is written about the Babylonian captivity.
[1:51:20] Speaker 1: And he says, comfort, Oh comfort, my people, says to
[1:51:22] Speaker 1: your God, speak tenderly to Jerusalem and cry to her
[1:51:25] Speaker 1: she has served her term, that her penalty is paid.
[1:51:29] Speaker 1: She has received from the Lord's hand double for her sins.
[1:51:33] Speaker 1: This is an interesting statement. Why would God give Israel
[1:51:37] Speaker 1: double for her sins? Was because they're not just being
[1:51:39] Speaker 1: punished for their sins. They're being punished for their sins,
[1:51:43] Speaker 1: and so that when God saves them from captivity the
[1:51:47] Speaker 1: nations that heaped that punishment upon them, they will be like,
[1:51:52] Speaker 1: oh shit, look what we have done. You know this
[1:51:56] Speaker 1: is bad, this is not good. Look what we did
[1:51:57] Speaker 1: the gods God's servant, right, because otherwise, if that's not
[1:52:02] Speaker 1: the thing, if that's not what's happening, then it doesn't
[1:52:05] Speaker 1: make sense that God would punish Israel double for her sins.
[1:52:08] Speaker 1: That doesn't make any sense. But if they're being punished
[1:52:10] Speaker 1: double for their sins as a form of substitutionary atonement,
[1:52:14] Speaker 1: then it does make sense. Does that makes sense?
[1:52:17] Speaker 15: So you're saying that Israel's paying for their sins and
[1:52:20] Speaker 15: for the sins of the whole world.
[1:52:22] Speaker 1: No, just the nations that abuse them. But I mean,
[1:52:25] Speaker 1: theoretically you could say the nations of the whole world,
[1:52:27] Speaker 1: because the goal of the whole charade is to have
[1:52:31] Speaker 1: the nations see the vindication of Israel and then come
[1:52:36] Speaker 1: to the truth.
[1:52:39] Speaker 17: Okay, all right, Well, my lunch break is about to end,
[1:52:44] Speaker 17: if you don't mind, I'm on a market spot right here,
[1:52:47] Speaker 17: so we're on verse five of the isaiahfty three.
[1:52:49] Speaker 6: I'll have to come back at different.
[1:52:50] Speaker 1: Time, no worries. Hey, thanks for spending your lunch break
[1:52:53] Speaker 1: with us, Amelia, no.
[1:52:55] Speaker 6: Promena, and I appreciate you being respectful.
[1:52:58] Speaker 1: Absolutely, if someone comes in respectful, I try to treat
[1:53:01] Speaker 1: them respectfully.
[1:53:03] Speaker 6: That's great. All right, Well, you have a good day.
[1:53:07] Speaker 1: I'll be live again on Monday.
[1:53:10] Speaker 6: Monday, at the same time.
[1:53:12] Speaker 1: It should be Monday about noon.
[1:53:18] Speaker 6: Do you do it in the evenings at all?
[1:53:20] Speaker 1: Well, I will later in the year when September rolls around,
[1:53:25] Speaker 1: but for now I'm mostly doing daytime streams.
[1:53:28] Speaker 15: Okay, real, could you give me this a real quick
[1:53:31] Speaker 15: rundown of the next tea versus.
[1:53:33] Speaker 1: Yeah. So, if you go to the next couple of chapters,
[1:53:37] Speaker 1: you've got a description that sounds a lot like Jesus,
[1:53:40] Speaker 1: like seven six, seven, eight nine, right, and it says
[1:53:43] Speaker 1: he was oppressed and he was afflicted. I didn't open
[1:53:46] Speaker 1: his mouth. I don't need to read it to you,
[1:53:47] Speaker 1: you've already read it. The reason why I think this
[1:53:50] Speaker 1: is all about the nation of Israel is because it
[1:53:53] Speaker 1: seems to match what Jeremiah and others are saying about
[1:53:55] Speaker 1: the Righteous Remnant of Israel. That it's not the Israel
[1:53:59] Speaker 1: itself was completely righteous. It's that the righteous Remnant of
[1:54:03] Speaker 1: Israel has now been made to bear the suffering that
[1:54:07] Speaker 1: they did themselves did not even cause there's another scholar
[1:54:12] Speaker 1: who's talked about this a little bit, doctor Kip Davis.
[1:54:16] Speaker 1: He's on YouTube. I don't know if he's made a
[1:54:19] Speaker 1: full video on the Righteous Remnant as it relates to
[1:54:23] Speaker 1: the Bablion captivity, but he's a really good resource for
[1:54:26] Speaker 1: this as well. But to be clear, I don't think
[1:54:30] Speaker 1: that when I say that this is the nation of Visral,
[1:54:32] Speaker 1: I don't think it's all the nation of Israel. I think,
[1:54:34] Speaker 1: really the people suffering righteously are the righteous Remnant of Israel.
[1:54:38] Speaker 1: And you get more clarification from some of the other books. So,
[1:54:43] Speaker 1: but the translation I think is fine in most translations, like,
[1:54:47] Speaker 1: there's nothing here I would complain about other than who
[1:54:53] Speaker 1: it's about, right, because you can read this and be like, well,
[1:54:56] Speaker 1: Jesus is a substitutionary tonement. But that's only if you
[1:55:00] Speaker 1: already believe the New Testament. If you believe what the
[1:55:02] Speaker 1: Old Testament says, then you're there's no reason why you
[1:55:06] Speaker 1: couldn't interpret this as saying, the righteous remnant of Israel
[1:55:09] Speaker 1: is the substitutionary tolement for the nations as opposed to
[1:55:13] Speaker 1: a single individual. Which makes sense of verse ten because
[1:55:18] Speaker 1: it says that whoever this is, they have offspring. Right
[1:55:22] Speaker 1: says he shall see his offspring and shall prolong his
[1:55:25] Speaker 1: days through him, the will of the Lord will prosper. Well,
[1:55:29] Speaker 1: I mean the offspring. I mean Jesus didn't have any offspring,
[1:55:34] Speaker 1: but the nation of Israel certainly did have offspring. And
[1:55:36] Speaker 1: that makes sense of verse twelve because verse twelve we
[1:55:40] Speaker 1: have a very curious phrase where it says, I will
[1:55:42] Speaker 1: allot him a portion with the great, and he will
[1:55:44] Speaker 1: divide the spoil with the strong, which is like war language. Right,
[1:55:47] Speaker 1: You're gonna divide the war spoils, Which that's what you
[1:55:51] Speaker 1: would expect if in fact, Cyrus came and waged war
[1:55:54] Speaker 1: against Babylon and free the Israelites. That's what you would expect.
[1:55:58] Speaker 1: You wouldn't expect that if it was a Jesus who
[1:56:01] Speaker 1: didn't wage any wars and didn't divide any war spoils.
[1:56:06] Speaker 17: Okay, what was the name of the guy that you
[1:56:08] Speaker 17: recommended I look at.
[1:56:09] Speaker 1: I think Kip Davis is a good resource. I don't
[1:56:12] Speaker 1: have to look through his videos to see if he's
[1:56:13] Speaker 1: made one on it. He and I have briefly discussed
[1:56:16] Speaker 1: it in like during some live conversation before. I don't
[1:56:21] Speaker 1: know if he's made a video on it. A lot
[1:56:23] Speaker 1: of good academic commentaries will kind of point this out,
[1:56:27] Speaker 1: like if you get the Oxford Bible Commentary or the
[1:56:30] Speaker 1: Jerome Bible Commentary or anything like that, they can kind
[1:56:33] Speaker 1: of work through the multiple interpretations of the passage and
[1:56:38] Speaker 1: why really most Old Testament scholars don't interpret this as
[1:56:42] Speaker 1: about Jesus. Most Old Testament scholars would say that this,
[1:56:47] Speaker 1: if it's about Jesus, it's a dual fulfillment, meaning the
[1:56:52] Speaker 1: original fulfillment was supposed to be in the nation of Israel,
[1:56:56] Speaker 1: but the secondary fulfillment was in Jesus. So that means
[1:57:00] Speaker 1: the question we should ask ourselves is whether or not
[1:57:03] Speaker 1: we believe in dual fulfillments.
[1:57:06] Speaker 6: Okay, all right, well, thank you very much.
[1:57:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, cheers friend Greod to hear from.
[1:57:10] Speaker 17: You, you have todmit, you did a very good job
[1:57:14] Speaker 17: of explaining your position.
[1:57:15] Speaker 1: I try my best. I appreciate you coming and come
[1:57:18] Speaker 1: back anytime soon.
[1:57:20] Speaker 6: Take care.
[1:57:21] Speaker 1: She was nice.
[1:57:23] Speaker 10: She sounded crestfall one at the end. There.
[1:57:25] Speaker 1: I know. Well, I get it because like as a Christian,
[1:57:29] Speaker 1: this is usually the strongest prophecy for Jesus. And so
[1:57:34] Speaker 1: if this is the strongest prophecy for Jesus and it
[1:57:36] Speaker 1: can be explained without Jesus, I can see why that
[1:57:38] Speaker 1: would be a very disappointing experience. But I trust me,
[1:57:42] Speaker 1: I get it now. The scholars that are still Christians,
[1:57:47] Speaker 1: a lot of them are willing to admit that, well,
[1:57:49] Speaker 1: it wasn't originally about Jesus. It's only secondarily about Jesus.
[1:57:53] Speaker 1: It was originally about the nation of Israel. And you
[1:57:56] Speaker 1: can do that, like, if you're a Christian, you could
[1:57:58] Speaker 1: make that leap. I just I don't make that leap
[1:58:00] Speaker 1: because I don't. I don't think it's prudent to say
[1:58:03] Speaker 1: that prophecies can have two different fulfillments, and the second
[1:58:07] Speaker 1: fulfillment can be divorced from the original context. That doesn't
[1:58:10] Speaker 1: make sense to my brain.
[1:58:12] Speaker 10: The idea of a secondhand Messiah sounds funny, Yeah, it
[1:58:16] Speaker 10: really does.
[1:58:18] Speaker 1: All right, friends, I'm gonna grab just a couple of
[1:58:20] Speaker 1: super chats. We'll get our next guest in here. Hilde Guard.
[1:58:23] Speaker 1: Great name. Uh, you don't hear that too often or
[1:58:27] Speaker 1: you've probably maybe heard of Hill Hildeguard of Bingen, a
[1:58:33] Speaker 1: famous mystic from the medieval period. Any with Michael here again? Michael,
[1:58:38] Speaker 1: your name's Hildegard. Okay, I got questions. Michael here again.
[1:58:41] Speaker 1: Thanks for taking my call. Oh you're the Michael that
[1:58:43] Speaker 1: called in. You didn't let me finish. P D Smokey
[1:58:46] Speaker 1: Scotch scott Scotchy Scotch is the best bruin Lodic Port
[1:58:54] Speaker 1: Charlotte ten year. Listen. I'm not a fan of that.
[1:58:58] Speaker 1: That fancy with the with the smoke not my thing.
[1:59:02] Speaker 1: But Hildegarden, if you like it, I listen, I'm all
[1:59:05] Speaker 1: for it. I'm all for it. I want you to
[1:59:07] Speaker 1: enjoy it.
[1:59:08] Speaker 10: And Kyle says, I don't understand the obsession with making
[1:59:12] Speaker 10: your food taste like campfire.
[1:59:17] Speaker 1: Different smokes for different folks. I guess.
[1:59:20] Speaker 10: I guess so, Kyle.
[1:59:23] Speaker 1: Says, what ice cream isn't watermelon better? Well, first of all, Kyle,
[1:59:26] Speaker 1: I agree with you, and anyone who's been watching my
[1:59:28] Speaker 1: channel for a long time knows I love watermelon. I
[1:59:31] Speaker 1: snack on watermelon routinely throughout the summertime. And I agree.
[1:59:36] Speaker 1: If you're if you're if you're health conscious, get the watermelon.
[1:59:40] Speaker 1: If you want a little bit of dessert, get some
[1:59:43] Speaker 1: ice cream. Spencer says French onion piece. Suposition is my
[1:59:48] Speaker 1: new favorite descriptor of Jordan Peterson's battle. I will I
[1:59:58] Speaker 1: will never get over to the fact that people take
[2:00:00] Speaker 1: him seriously. Now that he's finally been outed as being
[2:00:03] Speaker 1: like a Schrodinger's Christian, hopefully people will stop taking him
[2:00:07] Speaker 1: seriously because he's a joke. The guy's a joke.
[2:00:10] Speaker 10: Wasn't that a debate he did recently where he was
[2:00:12] Speaker 10: like basically saying I don't really believe.
[2:00:15] Speaker 1: Dan, Like Danny tried to pin him down and make
[2:00:18] Speaker 1: him admit whether he was a Christian or not, and
[2:00:20] Speaker 1: he refused to do it.
[2:00:22] Speaker 10: That's it.
[2:00:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what it was, big w.
[2:00:26] Speaker 1: For Danny at Danny phil Talk. Go check him out.
[2:00:29] Speaker 1: He totally cooked, absolutely cooked. Jordan Beerson von Doodle says, Hi,
[2:00:34] Speaker 1: justin we need some scripture Bingo cards to take off. Well,
[2:00:38] Speaker 1: we do have Bigo cards in the link tree in
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[2:00:43] Speaker 1: live streams, and my link will generate up to one
[2:00:46] Speaker 1: hundred individual Bingo cards unique Bingo cards, and you can
[2:00:50] Speaker 1: play online. You don't have to put him off. Get says,
[2:00:54] Speaker 1: In order for me to take an argument, I need
[2:00:56] Speaker 1: to irrationally say that all constructs of arguments are rational. Yeah.
[2:01:01] Speaker 1: Get so you're referring to that priorly guests that tried
[2:01:03] Speaker 1: to convince you that you should accept irrational positions because
[2:01:06] Speaker 1: it's the rational thing to do. I agree with you
[2:01:09] Speaker 1: one hundred percent and Get yeah, you should. You should
[2:01:12] Speaker 1: never take an irrational position if it's irrational, it doesn't
[2:01:16] Speaker 1: make any sense. Big w Also, the cheese welcome in
[2:01:21] Speaker 1: good to see the truth is predicated on rationality. To
[2:01:24] Speaker 1: that guest, how do you know difference between metaphysical truths
[2:01:27] Speaker 1: and metaphysical falsehoods? Well he doesn't. That's the point, and
[2:01:30] Speaker 1: we care about what's true. We don't care about what's comforting.
[2:01:33] Speaker 1: Mike Ltner, my friend, great to see you. Thank you
[2:01:35] Speaker 1: for the ten hour superchest, says a Friday night theist
[2:01:38] Speaker 1: fry in my daytime. What a treat Doug truly provides, well,
[2:01:41] Speaker 1: he sure does. Thank you for the superchest. I appreciate that.
[2:01:45] Speaker 1: And we're gonna be We're gonna be cooking out here
[2:01:47] Speaker 1: till five o'clock Eastern Standard time, so we've got plenty
[2:01:51] Speaker 1: of time left in the In the cookout, I'm gonna
[2:01:55] Speaker 1: grab three more super chests. We'll move on to our
[2:01:57] Speaker 1: next guest. The cool says, my God is real. No
[2:01:59] Speaker 1: one else is rock hard for Doug. Actually, that's that's
[2:02:03] Speaker 1: the funny thing that people get up here and say
[2:02:06] Speaker 1: that all these other gods are false and people who
[2:02:08] Speaker 1: believe in them are silly. Not my God. I'm the
[2:02:11] Speaker 1: special exception. I'm sure you are. Castles and curiosities, says hey, justin.
[2:02:17] Speaker 1: How do you feel chatting with a self confessed zombie.
[2:02:21] Speaker 1: He was real talkative for a dead guy, argued like
[2:02:24] Speaker 1: one too.
[2:02:26] Speaker 10: I just wondered about that, like how does he have
[2:02:28] Speaker 10: pre death? Like what is pre death? Like God gave
[2:02:34] Speaker 10: him like a certificate and was like here, this is
[2:02:36] Speaker 10: good for one good death.
[2:02:38] Speaker 1: Like where and like a zombie Joe just keeps coming
[2:02:42] Speaker 1: back from the dead. He comes up, he gets flame
[2:02:45] Speaker 1: broiled a couple of weeks later, two weeks later, comes
[2:02:48] Speaker 1: back again. I don't know why he's into this.
[2:02:52] Speaker 10: He's kind. I'll tell you that that's what it is.
[2:02:55] Speaker 1: Last one from our friend Semi Colon. Thank you so
[2:02:57] Speaker 1: much for the fourteen hours forty cents super chat our friend,
[2:03:00] Speaker 1: he says, in preparation to call in one day, I
[2:03:03] Speaker 1: have a question, how do you feel about agnostic misotheism?
[2:03:07] Speaker 1: Praise Doug the Mighty Rock, and at the end of
[2:03:10] Speaker 1: my club I will say any God or God with
[2:03:14] Speaker 1: thank you. Justin Well, Sammy Colin, I'm not sure what
[2:03:17] Speaker 1: misotheism is, but I'm perfectly fine talking to agnostics of
[2:03:23] Speaker 1: any variety.
[2:03:23] Speaker 4: Here.
[2:03:24] Speaker 1: I find that they're typically more pleasant to talk to
[2:03:27] Speaker 1: than the firm believers in books like the Bible and
[2:03:32] Speaker 1: the Koran, because they're not really all all that defensive
[2:03:35] Speaker 1: about the position, like because a lot of times they've
[2:03:38] Speaker 1: already came to that position through some difficult dialogue. So yeah,
[2:03:43] Speaker 1: come come and chat anytime. All right, I'm gonna get
[2:03:46] Speaker 1: our next guest in from the YouTube que It's going
[2:03:50] Speaker 1: to be anak of arc and thanks for waiting. I
[2:03:55] Speaker 1: appreciate that you're with us now, buddy.
[2:04:00] Speaker 18: Oh nice, Hey, did I wanted to compliment you on
[2:04:03] Speaker 18: your knowledge of the Bible. It's actually really cool.
[2:04:05] Speaker 1: Hey, thanks, I appreciate that. Are you a believer?
[2:04:08] Speaker 18: Yeah, it's kind of like a strange position I found
[2:04:10] Speaker 18: myself in actually, because I started off heavily atheists, didn't
[2:04:14] Speaker 18: believe in any form of God at all. I grew
[2:04:16] Speaker 18: up in a religious setting and I kind of went
[2:04:19] Speaker 18: on this pathway to try and dispel anything about religion
[2:04:22] Speaker 18: as possible. And then I went through kind of like
[2:04:26] Speaker 18: a really weird period where I suffered from psychoses and
[2:04:29] Speaker 18: just so everyone knows about that, it's where you hear
[2:04:32] Speaker 18: and see things that aren't real. And that was the
[2:04:35] Speaker 18: first time I ever felt myself really trying to wrestle
[2:04:37] Speaker 18: with things because I was seeing hallucinations and hearing things
[2:04:41] Speaker 18: that you know, I could interpret it as God as
[2:04:43] Speaker 18: if I wanted to, if I wanted to, you could
[2:04:45] Speaker 18: have forgive me.
[2:04:46] Speaker 2: A bit nervous.
[2:04:48] Speaker 18: But what I found myself kind of going down the
[2:04:51] Speaker 18: pathway of is that how say, with your statement your
[2:04:55] Speaker 18: God is imaginary? How would you say that the concept
[2:05:00] Speaker 18: of God is a disprovable thing to begin with, would
[2:05:03] Speaker 18: you say that there is a concept of God that
[2:05:06] Speaker 18: is disprovable? And if so, how would you say that
[2:05:09] Speaker 18: God doesn't exist?
[2:05:10] Speaker 1: If that makes sense, Well, I didn't say that God
[2:05:12] Speaker 1: doesn't exist. I said your God didn't exist.
[2:05:15] Speaker 18: Right, Okay? And my God is well, I believe in
[2:05:20] Speaker 18: a God. I don't know if it's a Christian God
[2:05:23] Speaker 18: or some other thing. But I've experienced synchronicities which seem
[2:05:28] Speaker 18: to lack all scientific explanation, and I've also seen things
[2:05:32] Speaker 18: that didn't seem to be part of me and their entirety,
[2:05:35] Speaker 18: and so it kind of opened up my mind if
[2:05:38] Speaker 18: you like to thinking about the pursuit of why belief
[2:05:41] Speaker 18: is important, and I'll give you this. The reason that
[2:05:45] Speaker 18: I think my belief in God is an important thing
[2:05:48] Speaker 18: is that in the absence of there being an explainable,
[2:05:51] Speaker 18: definitive proof for the absence of God, there is a
[2:05:55] Speaker 18: form of pragmatism that goes along with the belief in
[2:05:57] Speaker 18: a God. And so, if you understand psychoses as a
[2:06:01] Speaker 18: framework works, it's that there is an ultimate detach from
[2:06:04] Speaker 18: reality which leads to a void, and in that void,
[2:06:08] Speaker 18: it's quite a scary and terrifying experience, because your whole
[2:06:10] Speaker 18: nervous system doesn't like to be in an uncertain ground.
[2:06:13] Speaker 18: You know, neurons don't like being in the Petri dish,
[2:06:15] Speaker 18: which is an in the stable environment, right, the same
[2:06:17] Speaker 18: way we don't like unstable realities. And so through my
[2:06:21] Speaker 18: belief in God and the belief in something greater that
[2:06:24] Speaker 18: might be omniscient and has the ability to be watching
[2:06:27] Speaker 18: me in some way, I was able to try. I
[2:06:30] Speaker 18: was able to calm down my nervous system. And I
[2:06:33] Speaker 18: suppose that's more of a pragmatic approach to believing in God.
[2:06:36] Speaker 18: But what do you think, I'm genuinely curious.
[2:06:39] Speaker 1: Well, the Buddhists do the same thing, and they don't
[2:06:40] Speaker 1: believe in a God. Sometimes like these psychosomatic effects are
[2:06:45] Speaker 1: just because your brain can be persuaded by your brain.
[2:06:51] Speaker 18: Right, And I agree with that, But from what position
[2:06:53] Speaker 18: am I persuading myself? Because there's a void here, right,
[2:06:57] Speaker 18: and if I'm filling it with God, in effect, I'm
[2:07:00] Speaker 18: persuading myself from a position of lack of evidence, because
[2:07:03] Speaker 18: obviously I know my parents are my parents, and I
[2:07:06] Speaker 18: don't know that God exists. But I choose to believe
[2:07:09] Speaker 18: that God exists because it's something useful to my nervous system.
[2:07:13] Speaker 18: And in your argument there, would you say, then what
[2:07:15] Speaker 18: would I believe in? Otherwise that could have the same
[2:07:18] Speaker 18: effect on me in pits of despair where there seems
[2:07:21] Speaker 18: to be no constructed reality that I can rely upon.
[2:07:24] Speaker 1: It could be literally anything as you need is the
[2:07:26] Speaker 1: placebo effect. You could believe in, Lisa, the Rainbow draft,
[2:07:30] Speaker 1: you could believe in the tooth theory. Anything that you
[2:07:33] Speaker 1: want to believe in that you will give you that
[2:07:35] Speaker 1: Placibo effect you can believe in.
[2:07:38] Speaker 18: Okay, But then would you say that operating under that
[2:07:42] Speaker 18: God could be a zebra for all I know?
[2:07:44] Speaker 2: Right?
[2:07:44] Speaker 18: But then still, if there is a usefulness in believing
[2:07:47] Speaker 18: that that entity exists, is that effect real or not real?
[2:07:51] Speaker 1: The effect is real in that your brain is experiencing
[2:07:54] Speaker 1: the placebo effect.
[2:07:56] Speaker 2: Okay.
[2:07:57] Speaker 18: So then if you use that as a foundation in
[2:07:59] Speaker 18: this art, and you say that there is a utility
[2:08:03] Speaker 18: in the belief of God, what do you think motivates
[2:08:06] Speaker 18: you to go out there and try to dismantle God
[2:08:08] Speaker 18: for other people that might use it to settle their
[2:08:10] Speaker 18: nervous systems down. And do you have a replacement for that?
[2:08:14] Speaker 1: Oh, first of all, I don't need a replacement for reality.
[2:08:17] Speaker 1: In second, I don't think. Well, as far as I
[2:08:20] Speaker 1: can know, reality is the thing that we're living in
[2:08:23] Speaker 1: that like logic and evidence would point us to right.
[2:08:27] Speaker 1: So if you're saying, listen, like reality, did you replace?
[2:08:32] Speaker 1: Did you replace the tooth theory when you start believing
[2:08:34] Speaker 1: in the tooth theory?
[2:08:36] Speaker 18: I never believed in the tooth theory. I was very
[2:08:37] Speaker 18: anti superstitious, as anti superstitions.
[2:08:40] Speaker 1: Did you replace that? Santa Claus?
[2:08:44] Speaker 18: I didn't believe in Santori either.
[2:08:46] Speaker 1: Okay, Well, to me, you don't need to replace any
[2:08:48] Speaker 1: of those entities once you start believing in them. If
[2:08:51] Speaker 1: you're going to replace them with anything, you can just
[2:08:52] Speaker 1: replace them with the truth. The truth might not be fun,
[2:08:55] Speaker 1: it might be hard for people to swallow, but the
[2:08:57] Speaker 1: reality is the truth is the truth. Some people can't
[2:09:00] Speaker 1: handle it.
[2:09:02] Speaker 18: How do we go about discerning what is truth?
[2:09:05] Speaker 1: You observe reality and use logic and ration and reason,
[2:09:09] Speaker 1: and the reality is God doesn't fit that parameter.
[2:09:13] Speaker 18: But if God is the parameter of filling the void,
[2:09:17] Speaker 18: that's quite a useful thing, which I conserve having an
[2:09:20] Speaker 18: effect on me well, the void for there being no
[2:09:22] Speaker 18: theory of everything. You know, Stephen Hawkins has tried to
[2:09:25] Speaker 18: fill the gap. I think there's various Why do you
[2:09:27] Speaker 18: need that everything? Well, because in a sense, when you're
[2:09:31] Speaker 18: dealing with something of a crisis that's beyond all forms
[2:09:34] Speaker 18: of control, it can be a stabilizing factor that allows
[2:09:38] Speaker 18: you to regain some control. And there seems to be
[2:09:40] Speaker 18: a truth in that.
[2:09:41] Speaker 1: The truth is a desire wanting to have control as
[2:09:44] Speaker 1: a desire, maybe you abandon that.
[2:09:47] Speaker 18: It has an effect on me, which is then a truth.
[2:09:49] Speaker 1: I'm sure it does. Wanting things does have an effect
[2:09:54] Speaker 1: on you, I agree, But that doesn't make the thing
[2:09:56] Speaker 1: you want exist.
[2:09:58] Speaker 18: Do you then think that the belief in there being
[2:10:02] Speaker 18: something greater than the current circumstance, which is excruciatingly painful
[2:10:07] Speaker 18: for people, maybe that that can be a part of
[2:10:12] Speaker 18: a functioning spirit or drive that actually allows for the
[2:10:15] Speaker 18: pursuit of progress or you know, furthest development in some way.
[2:10:19] Speaker 1: I mean, I would believe that if there was evidence
[2:10:21] Speaker 1: for it would be the evidence.
[2:10:23] Speaker 18: I mean, Christian communities have some of the lowest crime rates.
[2:10:27] Speaker 18: Christian communities adopt more reciprocal altruism in biological systems. So
[2:10:32] Speaker 18: you know that we have basic biological underpinnings. Religions in
[2:10:38] Speaker 18: reciprocal altruisms religions in general do that, right, But that's
[2:10:43] Speaker 18: good evidence for suggesting that that kind of structure is
[2:10:46] Speaker 18: a very useful thing for people.
[2:10:47] Speaker 1: Asking if it's useful, asking if the thing behind it
[2:10:50] Speaker 1: is true.
[2:10:52] Speaker 18: Well, this is what I'm saying. You see, there's no discernible,
[2:10:55] Speaker 18: absolute truth outside of observation, and within this format, I'm
[2:11:00] Speaker 18: using that logic to say that through the observation of
[2:11:02] Speaker 18: belief in God, there is some utility.
[2:11:05] Speaker 1: So if I believe in Santa Claus and I believe
[2:11:08] Speaker 1: in Crampus and it turns out that I behave better
[2:11:10] Speaker 1: because I don't want to get drayed away by Crampus,
[2:11:12] Speaker 1: does that mean we should believe in Crampus?
[2:11:15] Speaker 10: Maybe?
[2:11:15] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:11:16] Speaker 18: I mean if it's having a good effect on you
[2:11:17] Speaker 18: and you're behaving better and it works in the time
[2:11:19] Speaker 18: when there's an absence of an ultimate reality, then hey, yeah,
[2:11:22] Speaker 18: that's brilliant.
[2:11:23] Speaker 17: Yeah.
[2:11:23] Speaker 1: I would prefer to believe in things that are true,
[2:11:26] Speaker 1: not things that modify people's behaviors.
[2:11:29] Speaker 18: Okay, but things are the true modified people's behaviors.
[2:11:33] Speaker 1: But things that are not true also modified people's behaviors,
[2:11:35] Speaker 1: so I don't care if it modifies anyone's behavior. I
[2:11:38] Speaker 1: want to believe the thing that's.
[2:11:39] Speaker 18: True, okay, but then within certain contexts, because remember, we
[2:11:45] Speaker 18: are a This is why these arguments are so fun
[2:11:47] Speaker 18: and there never seems to be an end to them,
[2:11:49] Speaker 18: is that we are in a universe at the moment
[2:11:50] Speaker 18: which we don't even understand what the substrata really is.
[2:11:53] Speaker 18: And so truth is what would you say, limited to
[2:11:57] Speaker 18: this dimensional experience. It's limited to this physical play or
[2:12:01] Speaker 18: under current understanding of quantum physics.
[2:12:03] Speaker 2: I think where would you say truth.
[2:12:04] Speaker 18: Really resides outside of your model of observation, which I
[2:12:07] Speaker 18: agree with.
[2:12:08] Speaker 1: Truth resides anywhere. I don't think truth exists. Truth is
[2:12:10] Speaker 1: a description.
[2:12:13] Speaker 18: I don't understand that. Sorry, you've lost me.
[2:12:16] Speaker 1: I don't think truth exists. Truth is a description when
[2:12:19] Speaker 1: we make a claim and that claim agrees with reality,
[2:12:23] Speaker 1: we just call it true. It's not a thing that
[2:12:25] Speaker 1: actually exists out there, So.
[2:12:28] Speaker 18: You make a claim. Sorry, explain that to me again.
[2:12:30] Speaker 1: I've got lost, And truth is a description of a
[2:12:34] Speaker 1: claim that matters reality. Okay, it's not a thing. Truth
[2:12:39] Speaker 1: doesn't exist independently of anything or anyone.
[2:12:44] Speaker 18: So I don't know. I suppose that's dependent on how
[2:12:52] Speaker 18: you perceive logic in general, right, I mean, what logic's
[2:12:55] Speaker 18: just defined by the Greeks is using a set of
[2:12:57] Speaker 18: true assumptions to result with truth conclusions. Right, And so
[2:13:02] Speaker 18: the nature of logic would be in my argument that
[2:13:04] Speaker 18: if believing in a god is having some form of
[2:13:07] Speaker 18: useful effect, it wouldn't be worth abolishing it or trying
[2:13:11] Speaker 18: to destroy it until there is an amicable replacement which
[2:13:15] Speaker 18: has a higher level of truth to it.
[2:13:17] Speaker 1: Care less if you're replacing it with anything else, And
[2:13:20] Speaker 1: I can care less if you need a replacement. We're
[2:13:22] Speaker 1: not here to ask whether or not it should or
[2:13:24] Speaker 1: should not be replaced by something different. We're asking what's true.
[2:13:28] Speaker 1: You can figure out what to do with that information
[2:13:31] Speaker 1: on your own. I'm not here to tell people what
[2:13:33] Speaker 1: to do.
[2:13:35] Speaker 18: Yeah, of course not, But I would beg to argue
[2:13:37] Speaker 18: that you would care you know, I think there's circumstances
[2:13:40] Speaker 18: in everyday life where there's individuals that have absolutely no hope,
[2:13:43] Speaker 18: maybe they're on their deathbed, and to believe in something greater,
[2:13:47] Speaker 18: something beyond, something transcendent, brings them a lot of comfort,
[2:13:50] Speaker 18: and I say that that lacks a lot of empathy,
[2:13:52] Speaker 18: don't you think.
[2:13:53] Speaker 1: Listen, I'm not telling people that they can't believe. I'm
[2:13:55] Speaker 1: not telling you what you need to believe in, Like,
[2:13:59] Speaker 1: I'm not preventing you from believing that thing.
[2:14:02] Speaker 18: Right, But what I'm saying is that your argument is
[2:14:05] Speaker 18: just as strong as someone saying that they believe in God.
[2:14:08] Speaker 18: If you're using true observations to arrive at that conmusion.
[2:14:12] Speaker 18: So then what motivates you to produce that argument? Because
[2:14:15] Speaker 18: I know what produces me to produce the argument, which
[2:14:17] Speaker 18: is that I've had some real positive effect from it.
[2:14:20] Speaker 1: Some makes sense because religion overall is negative for humanity.
[2:14:24] Speaker 1: Religion is the cause of most of most of the
[2:14:27] Speaker 1: historical wars. Religion killed millions of people in the medieval
[2:14:32] Speaker 1: Europe even before Medieval Europe. Religion causes people defy planes
[2:14:37] Speaker 1: in the buildings, Religion causes people to follow court leaders
[2:14:40] Speaker 1: to their death and drinking kool aide.
[2:14:43] Speaker 18: So the statistic correlation, sorry, the statistic parallel to atheist
[2:14:48] Speaker 18: genocide versus religious genocide.
[2:14:51] Speaker 1: Oh, atheism isn't the thing. Sorry, there's no atheism atheism's
[2:14:58] Speaker 1: a lack of belief.
[2:15:00] Speaker 18: Right, Yeah, so we're on the same page effectively. Right,
[2:15:04] Speaker 18: But did you have the numbers then to prove your
[2:15:06] Speaker 18: argument that you've just said that religious crimes have been
[2:15:09] Speaker 18: perpetrated at higher levels than people that don't believe in God.
[2:15:13] Speaker 1: I didn't make that claim. That's the claim you wanted
[2:15:15] Speaker 1: me to make. I didn't make that claim when I said,
[2:15:17] Speaker 1: is that religion is to blame for a lot of evil.
[2:15:21] Speaker 1: Even if you read the ancient war annals of the
[2:15:24] Speaker 1: Assyrians and Babylonians, they blame it on their religion. In fact,
[2:15:28] Speaker 1: especially the Assyrians, say that they were compelled by Ashur
[2:15:32] Speaker 1: to conquer all of the known world. This was a
[2:15:34] Speaker 1: command from Ashur. They were the first military to literally
[2:15:38] Speaker 1: have a standing army all year round, and they did
[2:15:42] Speaker 1: it because of what they were told. The Israelites taking
[2:15:45] Speaker 1: over the Promised Land, killing off all the Canaanites and
[2:15:48] Speaker 1: so forth, that was a decree of their God. From
[2:15:52] Speaker 1: ancient times up to today, people have been waging religious wars.
[2:15:55] Speaker 1: The crusades religiously motivated. The spread of the Islamic Empire
[2:16:00] Speaker 1: are religiously motivated.
[2:16:02] Speaker 18: So would you say, then, if you had to put
[2:16:04] Speaker 18: a number on it. Would you say that more things
[2:16:07] Speaker 18: have happened in the world that are bad through religion,
[2:16:10] Speaker 18: the more things have happened bad through people that don't
[2:16:13] Speaker 18: believe in God.
[2:16:14] Speaker 1: No, I didn't say that. What I said is that
[2:16:15] Speaker 1: religion has been a net negative for humanity.
[2:16:18] Speaker 18: Okay, how and so has it been a net negative
[2:16:22] Speaker 18: in your terms? Like how are you propositioning that on facts?
[2:16:26] Speaker 2: On truth?
[2:16:26] Speaker 18: Are you using some metrics?
[2:16:28] Speaker 6: I just.
[2:16:30] Speaker 1: Told you if you could look at the things that
[2:16:32] Speaker 1: religions do and then you could actually just ask yourselves,
[2:16:36] Speaker 1: was it a good thing that the Catholic Church killed
[2:16:39] Speaker 1: millions of their own people in the medieval period for heresy?
[2:16:44] Speaker 18: I could use that same argument with atheists. The most
[2:16:47] Speaker 18: famous dictators in the genocides Dime was an atheist. Hitler
[2:16:51] Speaker 18: is an atheist. H I believe Hitler was Hill.
[2:16:55] Speaker 1: There was not. He literally set up a church. He
[2:16:58] Speaker 1: literally set up a church of the Third Reich.
[2:17:01] Speaker 18: Yeah, but that in a sense, I don't know if
[2:17:04] Speaker 18: that's believing in what he got himself up into a
[2:17:07] Speaker 18: mass of believing.
[2:17:08] Speaker 1: I don't know.
[2:17:08] Speaker 18: I don't have the numbers either. I was just asking you,
[2:17:10] Speaker 18: how do you know, it's a net negative when a
[2:17:14] Speaker 18: lot of the times it's being used to comfort people
[2:17:16] Speaker 18: and reassure them and give them some moral structure within
[2:17:19] Speaker 18: a reality that doesn't seem.
[2:17:21] Speaker 1: If the thing that comforts you causes millions of people
[2:17:24] Speaker 1: to be executed, is in it negative? Did it comfort?
[2:17:29] Speaker 1: Did it comfort all the Cathars that got murdered? Did
[2:17:33] Speaker 1: it comfort all the Anabaptists that got drowned along with
[2:17:35] Speaker 1: their families for being baptized as adults? Did it comfort
[2:17:38] Speaker 1: all the Waddenses that were chased down and systematically brutalized
[2:17:42] Speaker 1: by Spain and the other heads of the of the
[2:17:46] Speaker 1: church in the medieval period? Is it comforting to them?
[2:17:50] Speaker 18: I don't know. I haven't asked them or speak to them.
[2:17:52] Speaker 1: The reality is I would live in a society. I'd
[2:17:55] Speaker 1: rather live in a society where religion didn't cause people
[2:17:58] Speaker 1: to systematically hunt down other or try to conquer the
[2:18:02] Speaker 1: world for your religion. I don't know if you know this.
[2:18:04] Speaker 1: One of the goals of Islam is world domination. The
[2:18:08] Speaker 1: goal of Islam is to conquer the entire world for Islam.
[2:18:12] Speaker 1: I don't like that. It's not a good idea.
[2:18:14] Speaker 18: Do you think that that's a unique thing to religions
[2:18:17] Speaker 18: or is it something in man's biology that drives people
[2:18:20] Speaker 18: to do that?
[2:18:21] Speaker 1: Though, no, I think it's unique to religion because Christianity
[2:18:24] Speaker 1: try to do the same thing. Judaism at one point
[2:18:27] Speaker 1: try to do the same things religion.
[2:18:29] Speaker 18: Sorry, I don't know if I'm interrupting you, because my
[2:18:31] Speaker 18: time seems out the sink. I'm looking at your mouth
[2:18:34] Speaker 18: move and it doesn't come up with your voice whatever,
[2:18:37] Speaker 18: But where was I wouldn't you say that there is
[2:18:41] Speaker 18: a load of underlying biological systems that, in the absence
[2:18:44] Speaker 18: of a belief of structure, may manifest even more deviant behaviors.
[2:18:48] Speaker 18: And it's not some innate part of us that religion
[2:18:51] Speaker 18: helps to maintain and control. You don't think that, But
[2:18:57] Speaker 18: I would argue that the belief in some thing that
[2:19:00] Speaker 18: is watching you is an excellent regulatory element towards feeling
[2:19:05] Speaker 18: like you're watching. And there's evidence behind that, right because
[2:19:08] Speaker 18: the guy that first went after well, I'll give you
[2:19:10] Speaker 18: a piece. The guy that first went to Afghan was
[2:19:12] Speaker 18: trying to get these two tribes to stop attacking each
[2:19:15] Speaker 18: other because they were doing it really secretly, and all
[2:19:17] Speaker 18: that sort of stuff and what they did is they
[2:19:19] Speaker 18: put up loads of fake cameras and in the effect
[2:19:22] Speaker 18: and this is as well observed psychological phenomenon. That's why
[2:19:25] Speaker 18: they've got mirrors behind bars, mirrors so you see yourself.
[2:19:28] Speaker 18: And the belief is that people, what the studies are
[2:19:31] Speaker 18: that people that are perceived to be watching will correct
[2:19:35] Speaker 18: their behaviors and they'll be better behaved in the process.
[2:19:38] Speaker 18: And so what I'm saying here is the belief in
[2:19:40] Speaker 18: the god, the god and the belief in an observer
[2:19:42] Speaker 18: can have that same effect of which it brings in
[2:19:45] Speaker 18: line people's behaviors and that's you know, supported by scientific study.
[2:19:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, and then it also causes them to murder people too.
[2:19:53] Speaker 1: So again Audrey's saying is, please ignore the bad things,
[2:19:57] Speaker 1: ignore the bad things of religion, and just look at
[2:19:59] Speaker 1: this one good part. It makes me feel good in
[2:20:01] Speaker 1: my tumb dumb.
[2:20:02] Speaker 18: No, So you've mentioned to the previous three responses that
[2:20:05] Speaker 18: I've had now where I've actually provided scientific study and
[2:20:08] Speaker 18: statistics if you like.
[2:20:10] Speaker 1: Single statistic. Yeah, that one you've claim to scientific data scientist.
[2:20:23] Speaker 1: So you haven't given any evidence at all. You've given
[2:20:26] Speaker 1: me opinions and claims.
[2:20:28] Speaker 18: Well, let me just refine one of the previous pieces
[2:20:30] Speaker 18: of evidence that I just gave you. My previous statement
[2:20:32] Speaker 18: is that the belief that there is an observer watching
[2:20:34] Speaker 18: you may be an enabling factor for good behavior, because
[2:20:37] Speaker 18: studies have shown that simply the idea of being watched
[2:20:41] Speaker 18: by an outside force makes people behave better. And it's
[2:20:43] Speaker 18: even why they've got mirrors behind bars so you can
[2:20:46] Speaker 18: see themselves.
[2:20:48] Speaker 1: And I told you, I already responded that. I said,
[2:20:50] Speaker 1: I don't care because the same belief you've got to care?
[2:20:57] Speaker 1: Are you going to? Let let me tell you why
[2:21:00] Speaker 1: go for it? Because the same belief causes people to
[2:21:04] Speaker 1: murder other people.
[2:21:05] Speaker 18: And the same gun kills the bad man and the
[2:21:08] Speaker 18: good man.
[2:21:09] Speaker 1: No, it does not. Guns don't shoot themselves.
[2:21:14] Speaker 18: Okay, oh, okay, yeah, if you want to think that.
[2:21:16] Speaker 18: But the same person then can kill a good person
[2:21:18] Speaker 18: in a bad person.
[2:21:18] Speaker 1: Yes, a person who can kill a good person or
[2:21:20] Speaker 1: a bad person. But just happens to be that Religion
[2:21:23] Speaker 1: is a scapegoat for a lot of it. And in fact,
[2:21:25] Speaker 1: we just recently there was a woman who was convicted
[2:21:28] Speaker 1: for killing her own children, claiming that God told her
[2:21:31] Speaker 1: to do it. These are not isolated incidents. As they
[2:21:34] Speaker 1: happen all the time. People go in and out of
[2:21:37] Speaker 1: religious psychoses and do horrific things. People a year and
[2:21:45] Speaker 1: one hundred people a year are diagnosed with Jerusalem syndrome.
[2:21:49] Speaker 18: You know that is okay, no no idea.
[2:21:54] Speaker 1: People are so overcome they visit Jerusalem for the first time,
[2:21:57] Speaker 1: They're so overcome by the history and the magist see
[2:22:00] Speaker 1: and the mystique of Jerusalem that they become convinced that
[2:22:04] Speaker 1: they are the resurrected Jesus, there are the second Coming
[2:22:07] Speaker 1: of Jesus, and they go into a deep spiritual psychosis
[2:22:10] Speaker 1: to the point that they happen to get hospitalized. One
[2:22:12] Speaker 1: hundred people years do.
[2:22:13] Speaker 18: Yes, it's a very common observed phenomenon in schizophrenia that
[2:22:17] Speaker 18: always seems to be the structured form of belief. But
[2:22:20] Speaker 18: what I would say is that until we can weigh
[2:22:23] Speaker 18: statistically the net positives versus the net positive negatives of religion,
[2:22:28] Speaker 18: that your arguments are just trying to build themselves up
[2:22:30] Speaker 18: to prove themselves at the moment, because we really need
[2:22:33] Speaker 18: to weigh in on paper what the net positives have
[2:22:35] Speaker 18: been and what the net negatives have been. If we're
[2:22:37] Speaker 18: to be scientists, right because if it turns out that
[2:22:40] Speaker 18: it has done more destruction than good. You haven't given
[2:22:43] Speaker 18: me any numbers. Do you need numbers?
[2:22:46] Speaker 1: How many millions? How many millions need to die for
[2:22:49] Speaker 1: a religion before it's a net negative? Give me a number?
[2:22:53] Speaker 18: Well, I don't know, because there's nothing to compare it.
[2:22:55] Speaker 1: What do you mean you don't know? So then you're
[2:22:58] Speaker 1: asking for a statistics doesn't exist.
[2:23:00] Speaker 10: No, I'm not.
[2:23:01] Speaker 1: I'm trying to what percentage, what percentage of the population
[2:23:05] Speaker 1: needs to be executed for religion before we can say
[2:23:08] Speaker 1: this is a net negative. Give me, give me, give
[2:23:13] Speaker 1: me a percentage?
[2:23:14] Speaker 18: No, sorry, because no, give me.
[2:23:16] Speaker 1: Your scale, give me your measuring scale. If you're going
[2:23:20] Speaker 1: to demand that I measure out, that I scientifically measure
[2:23:24] Speaker 1: out the benefits and the negatives, then give me the scale.
[2:23:27] Speaker 1: I'll measure it.
[2:23:28] Speaker 18: Well, this is what I'm suggesting. This is where but
[2:23:30] Speaker 18: I was just trying to say to you that your
[2:23:32] Speaker 18: previous arguments, where you keep bringing that up as a point,
[2:23:34] Speaker 18: You give me the scale, right, that's what I mean.
[2:23:40] Speaker 18: We haven't even devised one as a collective yet. This
[2:23:42] Speaker 18: is why there's nothing.
[2:23:43] Speaker 1: So what you're doing is you're demanding of me something
[2:23:46] Speaker 1: that you're not prepared to do. I was giving if
[2:23:49] Speaker 1: you want me to statistically measure, if you want me
[2:23:53] Speaker 1: to statistically measure the negative versus the positive, then you
[2:23:57] Speaker 1: need to provide some sort of measurement scale. Other Wise
[2:24:00] Speaker 1: you're just making yourself look silly.
[2:24:03] Speaker 18: Well, no, I'm not, because I think a really good
[2:24:05] Speaker 18: measurement scale is that the way that I've previously defined
[2:24:08] Speaker 18: belief is entertaining the idea there is something greater than
[2:24:11] Speaker 18: oneself that could be present watching them, and then correlating
[2:24:14] Speaker 18: it and proving as a showing as an example that
[2:24:17] Speaker 18: the mere thing of being watched has been observed in
[2:24:21] Speaker 18: psychological studies to change behavior for the better and the worst.
[2:24:24] Speaker 1: I agree, And the worst you keep you keep repeating,
[2:24:29] Speaker 1: you keep reading the fact that some people behave better
[2:24:33] Speaker 1: when they think that somebody is watching them, and then
[2:24:35] Speaker 1: you ignore the fact that some people murder others because
[2:24:38] Speaker 1: of that same thing watching them. That's why it's not useful,
[2:24:42] Speaker 1: That's why I don't need to replace it with anything.
[2:24:45] Speaker 18: Right, But what would we say, then, how do we
[2:24:47] Speaker 18: measure that the people outside of this Because this is
[2:24:50] Speaker 18: kind of something not based on anything that I've said
[2:24:52] Speaker 18: in scientific study. But then how would we know that
[2:24:55] Speaker 18: the people that did end up having these religious psychoses
[2:24:57] Speaker 18: weren't unwell to begin with? That there is a healthy
[2:25:01] Speaker 18: way to express religion and then there's a you know,
[2:25:04] Speaker 18: unhealthy way to express religion.
[2:25:06] Speaker 1: I don't think religious psychoses could be treated like a
[2:25:09] Speaker 1: religion and should be treated like a psychosis. Should get
[2:25:12] Speaker 1: medication and stop getting them.
[2:25:14] Speaker 18: Okay, No, that's absolutely fair, and I completely agree. Obviously
[2:25:18] Speaker 18: if people are going down that path of a psychosis,
[2:25:20] Speaker 18: it's definitely not the place to start founding beliefs definitely
[2:25:23] Speaker 18: not have been there. But what I am saying is
[2:25:26] Speaker 18: that I believe that the truth. There is utility of
[2:25:30] Speaker 18: pragmatism in the idea that people who believe in a
[2:25:34] Speaker 18: god can do so for emotional relief and also forming
[2:25:37] Speaker 18: a relationship with something higher than themselves, which allows them
[2:25:41] Speaker 18: to feel in the presence of something which changes their
[2:25:43] Speaker 18: behavior for the positives.
[2:25:44] Speaker 1: Why do you keep repeating yourself? I don't know if
[2:25:47] Speaker 1: you know how conversations work, but just repeating a bad
[2:25:50] Speaker 1: talking point over and over again doesn't turn it into
[2:25:52] Speaker 1: a good talking point. Like, Okay, if you say that
[2:25:55] Speaker 1: talking point, I'm just going to keep telling you why
[2:25:57] Speaker 1: it's a bad talking point every single time.
[2:26:00] Speaker 18: Okay, what would you say then about the idea? Because
[2:26:03] Speaker 18: I know I'm repeating myself, but it doesn't feel like
[2:26:04] Speaker 18: you've responded to it other than contrast the negative.
[2:26:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, that's how that works. When you're when you're when
[2:26:11] Speaker 1: you're saying there's a net benefit or net negative, then
[2:26:14] Speaker 1: you must contrast it with the opposite. You must say,
[2:26:17] Speaker 1: here are the good stuff and here's the bad stuff.
[2:26:19] Speaker 1: That's how that works.
[2:26:21] Speaker 18: Okay, Yeah, would you be I don't know. Would you
[2:26:24] Speaker 18: have a question for me? And then I've got to
[2:26:25] Speaker 18: go because I think I have to drive off.
[2:26:27] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[2:26:27] Speaker 1: My question for you is is there any evidence for
[2:26:29] Speaker 1: a God?
[2:26:31] Speaker 2: No?
[2:26:32] Speaker 18: I don't believe so, but I believe that there is
[2:26:34] Speaker 18: evidence in the efficacy of believing in the God, which.
[2:26:37] Speaker 1: No one cares about the belief in God. We'll talking
[2:26:40] Speaker 1: about the evidence for God. Whether or not the God
[2:26:42] Speaker 1: is real. We could care less if you want to
[2:26:44] Speaker 1: believe in things that are fake.
[2:26:46] Speaker 18: Right, But then isn't the argument of saying that God
[2:26:49] Speaker 18: isn't real a fake argument in itself when it can't
[2:26:51] Speaker 18: be proved.
[2:26:52] Speaker 1: No, it's not it's your God. Your God is imaginary,
[2:26:55] Speaker 1: and it seems like your God definitely is imaginary because
[2:26:57] Speaker 1: it's a product of psychosis.
[2:27:00] Speaker 18: I didn't say it was a product of psychoses, And
[2:27:02] Speaker 18: I said, you started the conversation. No, I said, I
[2:27:06] Speaker 18: went through something. Maybe actually it could have come across
[2:27:08] Speaker 18: that way, but I said that opened my mind up
[2:27:11] Speaker 18: originally to the belief in something else. And then when
[2:27:13] Speaker 18: I healed from psychotases, I tried to find a logical
[2:27:17] Speaker 18: underpinning for why it could be useful to believe in
[2:27:20] Speaker 18: such a thing, and then tried to stick as much
[2:27:23] Speaker 18: as possible in a reality and a lot.
[2:27:24] Speaker 1: Of So you just did a second time. You just
[2:27:26] Speaker 1: admitted a second time that the source of your belief
[2:27:29] Speaker 1: stems from your psychosis.
[2:27:32] Speaker 18: No, it creates well, okay, yeah, okay, what.
[2:27:35] Speaker 1: You said, you said, it's now okay. So the reality is,
[2:27:40] Speaker 1: the reality is I'm sure you're a likable person in
[2:27:43] Speaker 1: real life. The reality is you had a psychosis, an
[2:27:46] Speaker 1: episode of psychosis. It led you to believe in things
[2:27:49] Speaker 1: that are not true. It happens to people all the time.
[2:27:51] Speaker 1: People take DMT, They go on a DMT trip and
[2:27:54] Speaker 1: they believe in things that aren't true. People take cybercilin
[2:27:57] Speaker 1: and then they have a trip and they see things
[2:27:59] Speaker 1: that aren't real. This is what happened. Your brain makes
[2:28:01] Speaker 1: things up, right.
[2:28:03] Speaker 18: Well, I don't know about that, because the true nature
[2:28:06] Speaker 18: of psychoses and why and what presents manifestations of hallucinations
[2:28:10] Speaker 18: in the first place isn't something really concretely agreed upon.
[2:28:13] Speaker 18: And it might even be that psycho I'm a social
[2:28:16] Speaker 18: scientist now and I'm studying on working on a model
[2:28:19] Speaker 18: to better understand psychoses, and it might actually be that
[2:28:23] Speaker 18: repressed elements and things that we don't pay attention to
[2:28:26] Speaker 18: in everyday life manifest themselves through expectation. This is part
[2:28:29] Speaker 18: of dopamine theory as to psychoses. So it could be
[2:28:32] Speaker 18: that when a society finds itself becoming more and more
[2:28:36] Speaker 18: corrupt and a central core reality is avoided, that psychoses
[2:28:40] Speaker 18: symptoms present themselves. I mean, by nature, that is what
[2:28:42] Speaker 18: the definition of psychoses is. But to say that I
[2:28:45] Speaker 18: truly understand what could bring forth hallucinations and structured delusions
[2:28:51] Speaker 18: is I don't know. And I want to pursue that
[2:28:54] Speaker 18: and try to find it out because I think it's
[2:28:55] Speaker 18: a very exciting thing.
[2:28:57] Speaker 2: But so far.
[2:28:57] Speaker 18: I just lean towards the belief in God being good.
[2:29:02] Speaker 1: If it can be well, I disagree, So I guess
[2:29:06] Speaker 1: obviously we're out of stellmate. I think that any religious
[2:29:08] Speaker 1: belief that caused people to murder each other is inherently
[2:29:11] Speaker 1: a bad thing. I'm sorry that you don't think that
[2:29:13] Speaker 1: murdering each other is a bad thing, But that's where
[2:29:16] Speaker 1: that's where I'm gonna I'm gonna plant my flag there
[2:29:19] Speaker 1: every day of the week. So I think those conversations
[2:29:23] Speaker 1: gotten a little bit long in the tooth.
[2:29:25] Speaker 18: Reciprocal altruism.
[2:29:26] Speaker 1: I think this conversation got long in the tooth, and
[2:29:28] Speaker 1: you keep talking over me. So I'm going to move
[2:29:30] Speaker 1: on to someone who won't and who'll stop giving me
[2:29:33] Speaker 1: circular arguments that we've already talked about ten times. All right,
[2:29:37] Speaker 1: let me grab a couple of super chests, friends, and
[2:29:38] Speaker 1: we'll grab the next collar. Snigger to my friend, great
[2:29:42] Speaker 1: to see you think you for the super chest, says
[2:29:43] Speaker 1: I love how white employed Americans can so easily state
[2:29:47] Speaker 1: with a straight face that fundamentally slavery wasn't bad. What
[2:29:51] Speaker 1: isn't that the craziest thing. It's always the people who
[2:29:55] Speaker 1: didn't experience it that thinks that it was it was
[2:29:58] Speaker 1: somehow wasn't all that bad? It was, it wasn't a problem.
[2:30:00] Speaker 1: This is like when you look at people that say
[2:30:03] Speaker 1: racism doesn't exist. Have you ever seen a black person
[2:30:06] Speaker 1: say that, I can't find any I'm sure there is one,
[2:30:09] Speaker 1: but I've never met him. But yeah, I mean Kennice Owens,
[2:30:13] Speaker 1: But she gets paid to have the position. The reality
[2:30:15] Speaker 1: is the people that minimize this stuff are not the
[2:30:18] Speaker 1: people experiencing it. Right, sovereign atheist black woman speaking of
[2:30:24] Speaker 1: big w Good to see you. I am evidence of
[2:30:27] Speaker 1: why black people don't like white people. Joe. Yeah, I
[2:30:30] Speaker 1: don't blame you. Actually, there's a good reason for it.
[2:30:33] Speaker 1: We did some shit and we have to own up
[2:30:35] Speaker 1: to that. Castles and Curiosities, thank you so much, says wait, wait, wait,
[2:30:40] Speaker 1: no punishment will be fall Joe whatever crime he does
[2:30:44] Speaker 1: because of Jesus. I thought Christianity was all about justice.
[2:30:47] Speaker 1: Such a good point. And Bertram, thank you so much
[2:30:49] Speaker 1: for the meteor shower. I appreciate that. So that is
[2:30:54] Speaker 1: the case in Joe's belief, there's no justice anymore now
[2:30:58] Speaker 1: that he's no longer bound to the punishment of the law.
[2:31:01] Speaker 1: He can go out and murder anybody wants to, as
[2:31:03] Speaker 1: long as he prays for forgiveness. Afterwards, he's done. Christian
[2:31:08] Speaker 1: it's not a religion of justice. It's just not. And
[2:31:12] Speaker 1: I am the cheese coming in again. Good to see
[2:31:14] Speaker 1: your friend, says Laws of Moses. We're not burdened. We're
[2:31:17] Speaker 1: not a burden or punishment for original sin or human wickedness.
[2:31:20] Speaker 1: It was grace bestowed on chosen people. Revoking law is
[2:31:24] Speaker 1: God breaking testament. I agree, actually, And he tells you
[2:31:27] Speaker 1: in Deuteronomy thirty and Deuteronomy thirty one says, the law
[2:31:30] Speaker 1: it's not too hard for you to follow. It's not
[2:31:32] Speaker 1: too different. It's not too far away from you that
[2:31:35] Speaker 1: you'll say to somebody, go you can you get it
[2:31:37] Speaker 1: for me? No, the law is right there, it's with you.
[2:31:41] Speaker 1: So the law, according to the lawgiver is good. It's perfect.
[2:31:44] Speaker 1: It revives the soul. You don't have to get rid
[2:31:46] Speaker 1: of it. Dougasaurus erectus, great name. Joe has been drinking
[2:31:51] Speaker 1: cndolini juice. I think that's the case.
[2:31:59] Speaker 10: I love that we've started. Are the trends with this.
[2:32:02] Speaker 1: I don't know how how to do it, but I
[2:32:03] Speaker 1: feel like we need a Cundalini emoji and sinker soul.
[2:32:08] Speaker 1: You nailed it. Dead doesn't mean dead. Nope, guys, remember
[2:32:11] Speaker 1: words never mean words. They can't. Maxwell's Dragon says God's Law.
[2:32:17] Speaker 1: God's Lawkeeper hates this one. Neat trick. Just count yourself
[2:32:25] Speaker 1: as unlived. Also, let me tell you about becoming a
[2:32:28] Speaker 1: sovereign citizen. They will go hand in hand. If if
[2:32:34] Speaker 1: you want to be counted unlive, become a sovereign citizen.
[2:32:38] Speaker 1: See how that goes for you. Castle says you died,
[2:32:41] Speaker 1: sending rocks a huge grace in Oh. I mean it's
[2:32:49] Speaker 1: funny now, it's it's becoming more funny every time I
[2:32:52] Speaker 1: hear it. Okay, guys, somebody had to explain it to me.
[2:32:58] Speaker 1: I get it now. But now the joke about the
[2:33:02] Speaker 1: joke is what's funny?
[2:33:03] Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
[2:33:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, sovereign comes in again. Thank you so much, says
[2:33:08] Speaker 1: Lord have mercy. Living in a house with Joe has
[2:33:10] Speaker 1: got to be hell. Could you imagine living that guy?
[2:33:12] Speaker 1: That's crazy? Well, I said I was going but to
[2:33:16] Speaker 1: the store. But technically going to the strip club is
[2:33:20] Speaker 1: similar because I did pick something up. It's not technically
[2:33:24] Speaker 1: a store, but I did pay money and receive merchandise,
[2:33:29] Speaker 1: so you could call it a store. Yeah. Being married
[2:33:32] Speaker 1: to that guy's got to be a pain. But uh yeah,
[2:33:37] Speaker 1: pork ramen, Actually ramen with pork is good, says Baldy.
[2:33:41] Speaker 1: Wants to pretend his figurative use of the word dead
[2:33:43] Speaker 1: has a literal weight. He's concussed, absolutely concussed, like he's
[2:33:48] Speaker 1: wandering around the ring, just bumping into the ropes. He
[2:33:52] Speaker 1: has no idea where he's at right now. Good thing,
[2:33:58] Speaker 1: there's no bears around.
[2:34:01] Speaker 10: I mean, I'm bald.
[2:34:02] Speaker 1: Fuck, We're all gonna be bald eventually. It's just how
[2:34:06] Speaker 1: it rolls, how it happens. Ros thank you for the
[2:34:09] Speaker 1: time that I was super Jet says, yeah, justin just
[2:34:11] Speaker 1: like yesterday's callers. Also, it's your fault you won't scoop
[2:34:15] Speaker 1: out your brain and let others PLoP their religious balls
[2:34:18] Speaker 1: on it, and Joe always does. Every time Joe comes,
[2:34:22] Speaker 1: he always accuses me of not being honest or not
[2:34:26] Speaker 1: being willing. No, no, no, no, I am honest. I'm willing.
[2:34:29] Speaker 1: That's how I became an atheist. I used to believe
[2:34:32] Speaker 1: this stuff. I used to defend it, and the evidence
[2:34:35] Speaker 1: pulled me away from it. That's why I don't believe
[2:34:37] Speaker 1: it anymore. Joe's the dishonest one and unashamed. Great to
[2:34:41] Speaker 1: see it today, says Joe is spiritually dead and roasting
[2:34:45] Speaker 1: on a spit. I can smell the char from here. Toasty. Actually,
[2:34:49] Speaker 1: now that we got it, I don't have my my
[2:34:51] Speaker 1: sound effects open. We should open and sound very going toast.
[2:34:54] Speaker 1: Get our toasty sound effects rock and roll.
[2:34:57] Speaker 10: Miss sound? I missed that sounds.
[2:35:01] Speaker 1: Oh boy, and she's coming up again, She says. Christians
[2:35:06] Speaker 1: like Joe obscure understanding, denying contradictions and asserting fractal complexities.
[2:35:12] Speaker 1: It is Turtles all the way down, but with metas.
[2:35:16] Speaker 1: Actually that's a good description of their argument. The argument
[2:35:20] Speaker 1: is circular. Is Turtles all the way down and nothing
[2:35:23] Speaker 1: but meta Commondary and Kyle coming back. Good to see it,
[2:35:27] Speaker 1: Kyle says, I know this well. I know this will
[2:35:30] Speaker 1: be a little random, but would you have recommendations for
[2:35:33] Speaker 1: the best VR headset? I've actually not done any VR stuff.
[2:35:38] Speaker 1: The last time I did VR it was on the
[2:35:41] Speaker 1: Oculus and it was for like five minutes. And I
[2:35:45] Speaker 1: gotta be honest, I don't know if I would pay
[2:35:48] Speaker 1: money for it. But if you have money for it,
[2:35:51] Speaker 1: I mean probably whatever's out there is all good today.
[2:35:55] Speaker 1: Most of what's out there, the technology has been out
[2:35:58] Speaker 1: there for at least ten or fifteen years. It's got
[2:36:01] Speaker 1: to be pretty well refined. So I would say whatever
[2:36:04] Speaker 1: fits your head good in what is comfortable and has
[2:36:07] Speaker 1: the games that you like. But I'm not the right
[2:36:09] Speaker 1: guy for this question. I don't play games. Atlice died,
[2:36:14] Speaker 1: Thank you for the ten that I was. Supertest says
[2:36:15] Speaker 1: counted as dead. What words mean? Words and contradictions are
[2:36:19] Speaker 1: contradictions Until God and the Bible, then words don't mean
[2:36:24] Speaker 1: words and contradictions aren't contradictions. I agree, man Atlas. I'll
[2:36:27] Speaker 1: never understand why Christians will turn themselves into little Putzel
[2:36:31] Speaker 1: factories trying to say that the words don't mean what
[2:36:34] Speaker 1: they actually mean. They just they mean what they mean.
[2:36:37] Speaker 1: And Disco tits great to see us as some coal
[2:36:40] Speaker 1: for the oven. I appreciate that. Disco and also the
[2:36:45] Speaker 1: great name Get says that makes sense because the premise
[2:36:50] Speaker 1: of Christianity says that you've already done a bad thing
[2:36:53] Speaker 1: by virtue of belonging to humanity crazy religion. That is
[2:36:57] Speaker 1: the case actually get because according to original lit Sin,
[2:37:00] Speaker 1: you being born is all it takes to send you
[2:37:03] Speaker 1: to hell. That's it. You were shapen in iniquity and
[2:37:07] Speaker 1: born in sin. And Atlas says, red bull does taste
[2:37:10] Speaker 1: like wet keys, and diet coke tastes like cigarette water.
[2:37:13] Speaker 1: Actually I agree, dit coke does taste like cigarette water.
[2:37:18] Speaker 1: I like the sugar free red Bull. I forget what
[2:37:20] Speaker 1: the full sugar red Bull takes leace, so I don't.
[2:37:23] Speaker 1: I don't know if I can confirm that, but I
[2:37:25] Speaker 1: would be inclined to agree. It doesn't taste great.
[2:37:28] Speaker 10: Wet keys with rust, that's what it tastes like. Yeah,
[2:37:31] Speaker 10: with Russ if the sugar, if the sugar free is
[2:37:34] Speaker 10: the wet keys, then then.
[2:37:37] Speaker 1: Trump failed came back and uh, it looks like there
[2:37:40] Speaker 1: might be need to be an apology, says I'm irish.
[2:37:42] Speaker 1: Fuck that guy who made a potato joke. I'm sorry Trump,
[2:37:48] Speaker 1: I'm sorry. I didn't make the joke. I know that
[2:37:53] Speaker 1: was that was a cold joke that I was gold. Then,
[2:37:56] Speaker 1: speaking of the devil Lord aluminous, what what do you
[2:37:59] Speaker 1: get if you cross Queen Elizabeth and Prince Philip killed
[2:38:04] Speaker 1: a tunnel own Wait a minute, Wait, who's Prince Philip?
[2:38:11] Speaker 10: Wait?
[2:38:12] Speaker 1: What killed in a tunnel?
[2:38:15] Speaker 10: I mean Diana kind of was, but not really.
[2:38:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know if I touched this one. Prince.
[2:38:23] Speaker 1: Oh he's he's still alive.
[2:38:26] Speaker 10: Right. Oh he's referring to the two of them doing
[2:38:29] Speaker 10: that to her?
[2:38:31] Speaker 1: Who did what to do?
[2:38:33] Speaker 10: Diana is the one who in the tunnel? Elizabeth and
[2:38:37] Speaker 10: Philip are the ones who sent who caused the thing?
[2:38:42] Speaker 1: Uh? The parents, Princess Diana. Okay, what do you do?
[2:38:47] Speaker 1: If you cross Elizabeth and Prince Philip you would get
[2:38:51] Speaker 1: a child. But they're saying the child was killed in
[2:38:53] Speaker 1: a tunnel.
[2:38:55] Speaker 10: Well, they're saying, what happens if you've crossed them? Isn't
[2:38:57] Speaker 10: like you crossed me? How did you cross me?
[2:39:01] Speaker 2: Maybe like that kind of thing?
[2:39:03] Speaker 1: Lord Aluminous, I love you, but that joke might be
[2:39:05] Speaker 1: too much work. And I've been told a long time
[2:39:08] Speaker 1: ago that if you have to do work to understand
[2:39:10] Speaker 1: a joke, it might not be a good joke. You
[2:39:12] Speaker 1: had to clean that up. Clean that one up, my friend,
[2:39:14] Speaker 1: But thank you. And Aaron says, not sure if you
[2:39:16] Speaker 1: remember Hadassa the prophetess actually do, but she's got a
[2:39:20] Speaker 1: YouTube channel and is unhinged. Worth of watching if you want.
[2:39:24] Speaker 10: She's so in hingedinged.
[2:39:26] Speaker 1: I just clipped our last conversation from June twentieth. It
[2:39:29] Speaker 1: should be posted soon, but listen. If you're not watching Cadasa,
[2:39:33] Speaker 1: you're missing out. She's unhinged and entertaining as hell.
[2:39:38] Speaker 10: I didn't know you talked to her too, Yeah, oh.
[2:39:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, I talked to Hadassa. Check out my dzy debates.
[2:39:43] Speaker 1: I've got a video up Ork in the Basement says
[2:39:46] Speaker 1: why did the Protestants remove the Book of Maccabee's And
[2:39:48] Speaker 1: what is the reason they should not have done that? Okay,
[2:39:51] Speaker 1: so they removed all the apocryphal books, and the reason
[2:39:54] Speaker 1: was they started questioning it after Jerome because Jerome was like, hey,
[2:39:59] Speaker 1: the tradition Jews don't really take these to be of
[2:40:02] Speaker 1: the same authority. Now, the reality is they were included
[2:40:07] Speaker 1: in all the other early Bibles. We had them in
[2:40:09] Speaker 1: the Sinai Bible, we had it, had them circulating in
[2:40:14] Speaker 1: even some in the Dead Sea scrolls. And if you
[2:40:17] Speaker 1: read the Early Church Fathers, all the early church Fathers
[2:40:19] Speaker 1: up until Jerome quote from the apocryphal books refer to
[2:40:22] Speaker 1: them as scripture. Refer to them as prophetic, refer to
[2:40:25] Speaker 1: them as inspired by God, and teach them as though
[2:40:29] Speaker 1: they're scripture. Is not until Jerome comes around that some
[2:40:31] Speaker 1: people are like, maybe they're not as authoritative, But even
[2:40:35] Speaker 1: the King James kept them in all the way into
[2:40:38] Speaker 1: the eighteenth century. I've got an eighteen twenty nine King
[2:40:40] Speaker 1: James Bible behind me on the shelf that still has them.
[2:40:44] Speaker 1: They only started removing them because they're like, well, shit,
[2:40:46] Speaker 1: no one's reading them. They don't think that they're authoritative,
[2:40:49] Speaker 1: and we don't really need to waste all the time
[2:40:51] Speaker 1: printing these books anymore. So they just decided to stop
[2:40:54] Speaker 1: printing them unless you buy the special edition with the apocrypha.
[2:40:58] Speaker 1: But make no mistake, the early Church treated them and
[2:41:00] Speaker 1: believed that they were inspired scripture. I did I do
[2:41:05] Speaker 1: have a tab on that a tab in the cheat
[2:41:08] Speaker 1: sheep that'll spell that out. Got says barbecue menu, steaks, rare,
[2:41:13] Speaker 1: Isaac medium, rare, job done, Jesus, well done. Jephtha's daughter
[2:41:19] Speaker 1: by the way past the Lot's wife.
[2:41:24] Speaker 10: Out. Those don't feel too soon though.
[2:41:28] Speaker 1: No, that's good, that's good. Those are good jokes. We
[2:41:30] Speaker 1: appreciate that. Castles and curiosity is coming in again, says
[2:41:34] Speaker 1: if prophecies are meant to be verifiable in their lifetime,
[2:41:38] Speaker 1: because you're ordered to unlive the false prophet, how then
[2:41:41] Speaker 1: can Isavity three possibly be intended for Jesus and who
[2:41:45] Speaker 1: came along? Who came along after his death? So I
[2:41:50] Speaker 1: don't think it's entirely true that prophecies have to be
[2:41:53] Speaker 1: verified within someone's lifetime. I don't think that is the case.
[2:41:56] Speaker 1: I think that's usually the case. Dude eighteen does lay
[2:42:00] Speaker 1: down a pretty good rule for what to do with prophets.
[2:42:04] Speaker 1: But there are definitely prophecies in the Bible that are
[2:42:07] Speaker 1: meant to be taken for a later period. In fact,
[2:42:10] Speaker 1: I'm thinking of like even Isaiah chapter eight, God tells
[2:42:15] Speaker 1: Isaiah to seal up the prophecy for a later date.
[2:42:17] Speaker 1: There are occasions where God tells you, like, hey, this
[2:42:20] Speaker 1: prophecy is not for now, it's for later. But I
[2:42:22] Speaker 1: agree most prophecies in the Bible are for like, Hey,
[2:42:25] Speaker 1: this is a shit that's soon to happen. Pay attention.
[2:42:27] Speaker 1: Things are about to go down. Sam Schmooley says, you
[2:42:32] Speaker 1: didn't miss the super chat. I goofed. I'm with you
[2:42:34] Speaker 1: on the Irish On, a Jameson or a bush Mills
[2:42:38] Speaker 1: kick right now, have you tried the Jamison's stout barrel?
[2:42:44] Speaker 1: Tried the Jamison? I think they call it black, He says.
[2:42:47] Speaker 1: A Canadian Club is becoming more popular as well. Canadian
[2:42:50] Speaker 1: Club is one of my favorite cheap whiskys. Like if
[2:42:53] Speaker 1: you just want like the cheap it's like the Natty
[2:42:57] Speaker 1: Light of whiskey, but it's tasty. It's so it's not
[2:43:00] Speaker 1: like Natty Light. Then it'd be more like Steel Reserve.
[2:43:01] Speaker 1: Still Reserve is a tasty, cheap beer. It's like the
[2:43:04] Speaker 1: steel Reserve of whiskey. Listen, drink it up, drink it up.
[2:43:09] Speaker 4: It's not bad.
[2:43:11] Speaker 1: Tam says. Cruel men believe in a cruel God and
[2:43:14] Speaker 1: use their belief to excuse their cruelty. From Bertrand Russell, yes,
[2:43:17] Speaker 1: actually that is the case. But I think the thing
[2:43:21] Speaker 1: that people forget with this kind of thing is cruel
[2:43:24] Speaker 1: People do do cruel things in the name of God,
[2:43:26] Speaker 1: but it's the God that gives them the cover to
[2:43:28] Speaker 1: do it. Sprawley says Philbrough. Christians never want to admit
[2:43:34] Speaker 1: their christian Isn't that the craziest thing? They really never do.
[2:43:37] Speaker 1: They always want to sidestep it because they know Christianity
[2:43:41] Speaker 1: isn't provable, and they go to the philbro nonsense. And
[2:43:44] Speaker 1: Brianna says, I know you will grant us the huge
[2:43:46] Speaker 1: grace of cooking Christians today. I will, Brianna, I will
[2:43:52] Speaker 1: just for you. I will absolutely do that, friend, I promise.
[2:43:56] Speaker 1: And Erlin, again with a supertest, says, why do some
[2:43:59] Speaker 1: spiritists view love as evolutionary superfluous yieading your baby and
[2:44:05] Speaker 1: killing brothers are evolutionary power moves. Then yeah, so this
[2:44:09] Speaker 1: is the case. The reason why we have emotions, the
[2:44:12] Speaker 1: reason why we love and care for each other is
[2:44:14] Speaker 1: because as a species, this is the thing that allowed
[2:44:16] Speaker 1: us to survive and reproduce. I'm gonna grab three more
[2:44:20] Speaker 1: super chats and we'll get our next guests in here.
[2:44:22] Speaker 1: GP says boring Philibros. He was boring, but he was
[2:44:26] Speaker 1: being nice. I wanted to give him the time. So
[2:44:28] Speaker 1: the evolution is more interesting than any story that old
[2:44:30] Speaker 1: men from the Bronze Age came up with. And by
[2:44:33] Speaker 1: the way, empathy is evolved, theis it is meg, you know, GP,
[2:44:39] Speaker 1: E G E M G TM three. I agree with
[2:44:43] Speaker 1: you wholeheartedly. I think it's an evolutionary trait. Erland with
[2:44:47] Speaker 1: another super chat Thank you. Erlin says, the ethanol loss
[2:44:51] Speaker 1: during the barrel aging of liquors is referring to as
[2:44:54] Speaker 1: angels share or angel's loss. Not even alcohol is safe.
[2:45:02] Speaker 1: That's good. If that's a good point. Yeah, everything seems
[2:45:06] Speaker 1: that everyone wants to seem to evoke religious themes, but
[2:45:11] Speaker 1: the angels envy rye is to die for. It's good.
[2:45:15] Speaker 1: And Adele, thank you for the five dollars super check.
[2:45:17] Speaker 1: Great to see it today, Adele. Since Justin, I have
[2:45:19] Speaker 1: made the decision to be held to Doug's law, time
[2:45:22] Speaker 1: to get stoned for the Lord. That's it, get stoned
[2:45:26] Speaker 1: for the stone. Thank you so much, Adele. Doug definitely approves.
[2:45:30] Speaker 1: And last one minute men says my idea of a
[2:45:33] Speaker 1: perfect day watching Justin while cooking a bunch of Indian
[2:45:36] Speaker 1: food while listening to MDC's John Wayne and Chancey on
[2:45:41] Speaker 1: my turntable. Praise Doug, fuck to patriarchy. We are with you,
[2:45:45] Speaker 1: minute men. It sounds like a great day. And listen,
[2:45:48] Speaker 1: if I could cook Indian food, I would I love it. Oh,
[2:45:52] Speaker 1: it's just one of the best cuisines out there. I
[2:45:55] Speaker 1: don't know why it's not more popular than it is.
[2:45:58] Speaker 1: It is still popular, but I to me, like I
[2:46:01] Speaker 1: could eat it at least twice a week. I could
[2:46:04] Speaker 1: eat I could eat Indian cuisine. It's that good. All right,
[2:46:07] Speaker 1: let me grab our next guest. It's going to be
[2:46:09] Speaker 1: Onyx from the YouTube que. Currently our TikTok que is
[2:46:13] Speaker 1: completely empty. We have nobody on the TikTok q. I
[2:46:15] Speaker 1: must have got a violation because, like I see, no
[2:46:17] Speaker 1: one's really no one's really watching on TikTok I'm sure
[2:46:20] Speaker 1: i'd said some shit. I'm Onyx. Are you with us?
[2:46:26] Speaker 19: Yes?
[2:46:26] Speaker 1: I am welcome in Onyx. Onyx. Are you least eighteen?
[2:46:29] Speaker 1: And are you a believer? Yes?
[2:46:32] Speaker 13: I am. I actually came on before as Freemason pilots.
[2:46:36] Speaker 13: I'm sorry what I actually came on before as a
[2:46:40] Speaker 13: free Mason pilot before I came to all all of
[2:46:42] Speaker 13: my social media.
[2:46:43] Speaker 1: Oh you're Freemason pilot, So okay, all right, so I
[2:46:47] Speaker 1: know a little bit who you're talking to. We talked
[2:46:49] Speaker 1: a little bit on the discord as well. Uh yeah, okay,
[2:46:53] Speaker 1: And you're kind of a bit of an agnostic believer.
[2:47:00] Speaker 20: Right, no, no longer actually, oh well, yet I'm not
[2:47:08] Speaker 20: Christian at all anymore.
[2:47:10] Speaker 1: Well, welcome, welcome to the.
[2:47:12] Speaker 10: Dark side at the local church.
[2:47:16] Speaker 1: So, I mean, what's in your mind, free Mason?
[2:47:21] Speaker 6: I just you know, God isn't good.
[2:47:25] Speaker 1: We agree, God is not good.
[2:47:30] Speaker 13: You know if he, if God truly was just or good?
[2:47:33] Speaker 13: Why did I Why was I born to shitty parents?
[2:47:37] Speaker 10: Yeah?
[2:47:37] Speaker 1: I get that. Actually I get that a lot. Or
[2:47:40] Speaker 1: if you were born to shitty parents, why wouldn't he
[2:47:42] Speaker 1: give you some sort of secondary measure to counteract the
[2:47:47] Speaker 1: shitty parents? But then again, if God was good, the
[2:47:49] Speaker 1: shitty parents wouldn't be shitty in the first place. There's
[2:47:51] Speaker 1: a lot of ways you could deal with this particular problem.
[2:47:54] Speaker 1: But was there anything in particular in your mind?
[2:48:00] Speaker 11: Yeah?
[2:48:00] Speaker 13: I wanted to make the point. And if God truly
[2:48:04] Speaker 13: did have you know, control, why is you know, why
[2:48:09] Speaker 13: would why is there so much you know, evil?
[2:48:13] Speaker 1: Oh? Because he's not.
[2:48:16] Speaker 4: Right?
[2:48:17] Speaker 10: Right?
[2:48:18] Speaker 1: Well, it sounds like we agree, then, buddy, listen, I
[2:48:20] Speaker 1: gotta I gotta get a theist in the queue that
[2:48:22] Speaker 1: will argue with me. Okay, all right, I cheers, buddy.
[2:48:26] Speaker 1: Good to hear from him, you too. Onyx has been
[2:48:30] Speaker 1: super chatting too. He's the one with the long name
[2:48:32] Speaker 1: Onyx such and such on his name. We're gonna get
[2:48:36] Speaker 1: looks like peaks. Reeks, Reeks, how you doing? I should
[2:48:44] Speaker 1: probably turn on my microphone high how's it going good?
[2:48:46] Speaker 1: Thank you for asking? Reeks. Are you at least eighteen
[2:48:48] Speaker 1: and are you a believer?
[2:48:51] Speaker 21: Yes, I'm at least eighteen, But I actually just came
[2:48:54] Speaker 21: to present a kind of theory on belief. I am
[2:48:58] Speaker 21: a believer, but in a very very strange way, and
[2:49:01] Speaker 21: I just think I want to express that to some people.
[2:49:05] Speaker 21: I want to see what your thoughts would be on it.
[2:49:07] Speaker 1: Well, first tell us what do you believe?
[2:49:10] Speaker 21: So this is going to sound weird, but I do
[2:49:12] Speaker 21: believe that all gods exist and have their own merits
[2:49:15] Speaker 21: in their own ways.
[2:49:16] Speaker 1: Do you believe in Doug? It's I believe in Doug.
[2:49:19] Speaker 21: I'm a first time viewer, but I believe in Doug.
[2:49:23] Speaker 1: Praise Doug, all right, Praise Doug. Okay, So it sounds
[2:49:27] Speaker 1: like we agree, then either there's no gods or they're
[2:49:30] Speaker 1: all gods exactly.
[2:49:32] Speaker 21: My whole belief in how all gods can exist is
[2:49:36] Speaker 21: that I.
[2:49:37] Speaker 1: Follow the fundamental laws of energy.
[2:49:39] Speaker 21: Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, right, it can
[2:49:42] Speaker 21: only change forms. So with my belief in that is
[2:49:46] Speaker 21: is that when you give something your belief, your prayer,
[2:49:49] Speaker 21: you are giving it energy, and through that energy.
[2:49:52] Speaker 1: It is able to exist. What do you mean you're
[2:49:54] Speaker 1: giving it energy? What does that mean? Some kind of.
[2:49:58] Speaker 21: I know it's weird to try it and explain it
[2:50:01] Speaker 21: in some way, but you are devoting your time and
[2:50:05] Speaker 21: your thought, and you're the actual electrical signals inside of
[2:50:10] Speaker 21: your brain, which are energy. You're devoting energy to this thing.
[2:50:13] Speaker 21: But by giving it energy, they don't go anywhere a
[2:50:16] Speaker 21: space to exist exactly that they're.
[2:50:18] Speaker 1: In my head.
[2:50:20] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[2:50:21] Speaker 1: Oh, so the gods exist but only in our heads.
[2:50:25] Speaker 21: Could be seen that way, or could be that they
[2:50:27] Speaker 21: exist in some other fundamental way that we don't understand.
[2:50:31] Speaker 1: Well, I mean, God wily exists in our heads. I agree,
[2:50:33] Speaker 1: God's imaginary.
[2:50:37] Speaker 21: For some Yes, I just have a weird way of
[2:50:39] Speaker 21: thinking about it. It is odd to try and explain
[2:50:46] Speaker 21: this because it was just this strange revelation I came
[2:50:49] Speaker 21: across and I just want people to hear it think
[2:50:55] Speaker 21: about it. You know, like, if we are to give
[2:50:59] Speaker 21: some thing our energy, our thought, our mind, maybe we
[2:51:04] Speaker 21: do give it a space in which to exist, a
[2:51:07] Speaker 21: space in which to.
[2:51:09] Speaker 1: Take place.
[2:51:11] Speaker 21: I mean in more of a spiritual sense rather than
[2:51:14] Speaker 21: like a physical energy sense. I guess that's confusing. I
[2:51:18] Speaker 21: could see how it could be confusing, but that's just
[2:51:22] Speaker 21: where my belief lays. I mean, I've done a lot
[2:51:25] Speaker 21: of research into different religions and things like that, and
[2:51:30] Speaker 21: I've read a lot of religious texts over the years,
[2:51:33] Speaker 21: and I've really come to the conclusion that all of
[2:51:37] Speaker 21: them have their own merits in their own ways. I've
[2:51:39] Speaker 21: taken teachings from each kind of book that I can,
[2:51:46] Speaker 21: and I think there is good in some belief but
[2:51:52] Speaker 21: there is definitely evil behind a lot of it too.
[2:51:55] Speaker 21: I mean, like you say, people will use the religion
[2:51:58] Speaker 21: to justify murder, to justify rape, pillaging, destruction, all of that.
[2:52:04] Speaker 21: But in some ways, religion has allowed a way for
[2:52:09] Speaker 21: communities to thrive, to come together.
[2:52:13] Speaker 1: You know, I understand.
[2:52:16] Speaker 21: I'm looking at the stream and I see your face
[2:52:18] Speaker 21: is completely bewildered, and that's kind of what I was
[2:52:20] Speaker 21: hoping to see. I want people to be confused and
[2:52:24] Speaker 21: think about it, that's all I ask. So that's what
[2:52:27] Speaker 21: I'm here for.
[2:52:28] Speaker 1: We definitely are both of those two things. Okay, So
[2:52:31] Speaker 1: whatever your religious belief system is, how would you undergird
[2:52:34] Speaker 1: that with some sort of facts or evidence.
[2:52:38] Speaker 21: Again, it's at the end of the day, it's the
[2:52:44] Speaker 21: transfer of energy. That's what I line it down to
[2:52:48] Speaker 21: is energy can't be created in order to destroyed. It
[2:52:51] Speaker 21: has to go somewhere, it changes form.
[2:52:54] Speaker 1: Does energy think? It's a good question, like can electricity
[2:53:01] Speaker 1: share thoughts with you?
[2:53:07] Speaker 21: I mean possibly, We've seen how with mushrooms, how they
[2:53:12] Speaker 21: will use electrical signals to communicate. But again, are those
[2:53:16] Speaker 21: electrical signals the thoughts or are they just energy itself?
[2:53:20] Speaker 1: But at that point, it's still inside your brain, right,
[2:53:22] Speaker 1: So what I'm pointing out is that energy, as soon
[2:53:25] Speaker 1: as it leaves your brain is no longer sentient. Like
[2:53:27] Speaker 1: you can't talk to a lightning bolt. You can't hold
[2:53:30] Speaker 1: a conversation with rushing water. So like, yeah, do humans
[2:53:36] Speaker 1: expel energy? Sure? Is that energy sentient? I don't see
[2:53:40] Speaker 1: why anyone would think that. Who knows?
[2:53:44] Speaker 21: I mean a level of sentience and conscious are conscious
[2:53:50] Speaker 21: is a hard thing because what makes us more conscious
[2:53:54] Speaker 21: than a dog?
[2:53:55] Speaker 10: Per se?
[2:53:55] Speaker 21: I mean, yeah, you could say, oh, I know what
[2:53:57] Speaker 21: time it is, I know that I am here on
[2:54:00] Speaker 21: a planet Earth. But a dog is also aware that
[2:54:04] Speaker 21: it is in a place, within a thing. Maybe energy
[2:54:08] Speaker 21: has that kind of same feel to it. I'm fucking rambling, dude.
[2:54:15] Speaker 21: I've been sorry, I've been I've been up for a
[2:54:19] Speaker 21: very long time since last night. So okay, saw the stream, Yeah,
[2:54:25] Speaker 21: I saw the stream. Wanted to hop in just share
[2:54:27] Speaker 21: my thoughts.
[2:54:27] Speaker 1: Well, I think for sharing with us, I mean, it's
[2:54:30] Speaker 1: certainly interesting. We like hearing interesting new ideas, so we
[2:54:33] Speaker 1: appreciate that. But I think we're going to move on
[2:54:36] Speaker 1: to someone who believes in a more classical model of God.
[2:54:40] Speaker 21: Of course, again, I just want people to think about
[2:54:43] Speaker 21: what I've said.
[2:54:44] Speaker 1: Maybe see for yourself.
[2:54:47] Speaker 4: But again, uh, have.
[2:54:52] Speaker 1: A great one, buddy, We'll talk to you. Yeah, praise Doug.
[2:54:56] Speaker 10: We agree.
[2:54:56] Speaker 1: We agree on that. We agree on that, all right,
[2:54:59] Speaker 1: I'm gonna agree. Have our next guest and Q fun name.
[2:55:03] Speaker 1: It sounds like it might be a friendly though. Given
[2:55:06] Speaker 1: the name, we'll find out. Welcome in, Oily, Josh, Hey, justin.
[2:55:15] Speaker 19: Can you hear me?
[2:55:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, I can hear you. It's you're a little far
[2:55:18] Speaker 1: away from your from your audio source though. Uh yeah,
[2:55:28] Speaker 1: but I mean I can't hear you.
[2:55:31] Speaker 22: Okay, so uh, let me switch see it that's any better?
[2:55:42] Speaker 22: I'm probably not.
[2:55:42] Speaker 1: We'll find out.
[2:55:44] Speaker 19: There it is that one's gone. Now, maybe that's better.
[2:55:46] Speaker 19: At least two mics are better than one. So I
[2:55:51] Speaker 19: am recently an agnostic atheist. Sorry, yeah, you the oily
[2:55:55] Speaker 19: Josh thing was playing on your joke said a few
[2:55:57] Speaker 19: times about corn. Uh. So I ended up in a
[2:56:02] Speaker 19: conversation with a chaplain who posted a meme where it
[2:56:08] Speaker 19: was a picture of Jesus and he basically was saying
[2:56:13] Speaker 19: that that Jesus was the cause vand of slavery, to
[2:56:17] Speaker 19: which I privately messaged him was like, dude, where do
[2:56:20] Speaker 19: you come from with this? What about the true meeting
[2:56:22] Speaker 19: of Deuteronomy and how in his day he wouldn't have
[2:56:25] Speaker 19: had any problems with it? And he rattled off back
[2:56:28] Speaker 19: to me, Uh, basically a question about looking both in
[2:56:36] Speaker 19: Galatians and an Acts too. You can see the examples
[2:56:44] Speaker 19: that you know Paul said to free Onesimus, and that
[2:56:51] Speaker 19: Paul was for the freedom of slaves.
[2:56:53] Speaker 1: And Paul was certainly though so he didn't tell Onesimus's
[2:56:58] Speaker 1: master to free all the slaves. So when he wrote
[2:57:02] Speaker 1: the Phileman He didn't say free all of your slaves.
[2:57:04] Speaker 1: He specifically wanted on SMS to be freed so he
[2:57:07] Speaker 1: could work with Paul. Paul wanted SMS to be freed
[2:57:10] Speaker 1: so that he could in fact go help him. Right,
[2:57:14] Speaker 1: So Paul's writing a personal letter to somebody he knows
[2:57:18] Speaker 1: in order to gain the service of somebody who was
[2:57:21] Speaker 1: already a slave. And obviously now that he has a
[2:57:24] Speaker 1: relationship with a slave, he kind of feels bad for him.
[2:57:27] Speaker 1: And he's like, well, at least now that he's a Christian,
[2:57:29] Speaker 1: bring him back as a brother rather than a slave.
[2:57:32] Speaker 1: But that doesn't actually fix the problem because that's an
[2:57:34] Speaker 1: admission that if he wasn't a Christian, Paul would be
[2:57:37] Speaker 1: okay with him still being a slave. So if the
[2:57:40] Speaker 1: only condition of your freedom is that you're a Christian, well,
[2:57:43] Speaker 1: slavery still stands.
[2:57:46] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[2:57:48] Speaker 19: So in another message to him, I kind of questioned
[2:57:51] Speaker 19: the retrospective assumption of unified Church and how Marcian Martianism
[2:57:58] Speaker 19: is an example of off hand, quick example of how
[2:58:01] Speaker 19: early Church wasn't unified, to which he agreed to that,
[2:58:05] Speaker 19: and my point I was trying to get out with that,
[2:58:07] Speaker 19: And even if you said, hey, this one sect was
[2:58:09] Speaker 19: not a great okay with slavery, that wasn't across the board.
[2:58:13] Speaker 19: The thing that he tried to come back with was
[2:58:15] Speaker 19: the liberations theologians, and he didn't really elaborate. And I
[2:58:19] Speaker 19: don't know who those are necessarily, there's.
[2:58:22] Speaker 1: Not a lot of big ones. Like the most famous
[2:58:24] Speaker 1: one from our time period is I wouldn't even call
[2:58:27] Speaker 1: him a theologian is Reverend Was it reverend right? Let
[2:58:32] Speaker 1: me see he was reverend right? He has a really
[2:58:39] Speaker 1: big church, Yeah, Jeremiah Wright, if I remember correctly.
[2:58:46] Speaker 19: That's was coming up for me when I searched that
[2:58:47] Speaker 19: on search engines.
[2:58:49] Speaker 1: Yeah, so he is a big name in black liberation theology.
[2:58:54] Speaker 1: He's got a humongous church other than him, Like, when
[2:58:58] Speaker 1: it comes to the history of liberation theology, I don't
[2:59:00] Speaker 1: know if I can share a whole lot. Liberation theology
[2:59:04] Speaker 1: is kind of a unique subset of theological beliefs. And
[2:59:09] Speaker 1: there's a reason why Christianity overall never developed this theology
[2:59:15] Speaker 1: until the slaves adopted Christianity. This is this theology came
[2:59:21] Speaker 1: out of slaves dealing with the fact that they believe
[2:59:27] Speaker 1: Christianity to be true, but somehow they're still slaves.
[2:59:33] Speaker 19: Yeah, okay, yeah. Aside from that, I've read at least
[2:59:39] Speaker 19: once doctor Josh's book vol. One in Volumes two, and
[2:59:43] Speaker 19: I probably just need to go back and look at
[2:59:44] Speaker 19: more details there to continue to question and robt my friends.
[2:59:52] Speaker 1: That'd be a good idea.
[2:59:55] Speaker 19: I thanks your time.
[2:59:56] Speaker 1: Doesn't all cheers, buddy, could to hear from you. Remember
[3:00:00] Speaker 1: if if Jesus is in fact Oily Josh, then it's
[3:00:03] Speaker 1: true that Jesus is Lord not Lord. That just admit
[3:00:07] Speaker 1: is a misspelling. We'll got our next question here. Let's
[3:00:13] Speaker 1: get James Brewster from the TikTok queue. If James can connect.
[3:00:23] Speaker 1: James is in the queue, just joined a moment ago.
[3:00:26] Speaker 1: But James is not connecting.
[3:00:29] Speaker 10: He show's connected on my really, he show is.
[3:00:31] Speaker 1: Still connecting on my end. That's weird. Hmm, govern minute,
[3:00:37] Speaker 1: see if he connects. Well, we we haven't had a
[3:00:40] Speaker 1: whole lot of TikTok guests tonight, mostly a lot of YouTube.
[3:00:44] Speaker 1: Welcome in James, No, yes, I am, that's excellently connected.
[3:00:53] Speaker 1: It's okay, I no worries up you down, don't worry
[3:00:57] Speaker 1: about it, buddy. Here's well, we're out of TikTok guests.
[3:01:02] Speaker 1: I've got two more YouTube guests, so I'll grab our
[3:01:07] Speaker 1: next as I want to get another good conversation and
[3:01:09] Speaker 1: like another good debate in before I read more super chats.
[3:01:13] Speaker 1: I don't want to make I've read so many super
[3:01:15] Speaker 1: chests today. I want to make sure and get some
[3:01:16] Speaker 1: conversations in. But we're having, surprisingly, despite a lot of
[3:01:21] Speaker 1: people watching, we're having a little bit of a lack
[3:01:23] Speaker 1: of opposition. Welcome in, John, Hi there, how you doing
[3:01:30] Speaker 1: doing good? How you doing?
[3:01:32] Speaker 4: I'm well? Thank you? John?
[3:01:34] Speaker 1: Are you east eighteen? And are you believing?
[3:01:37] Speaker 4: I am?
[3:01:37] Speaker 1: And I am cool? And what do you believe in God?
[3:01:41] Speaker 1: Jesus Christ cool? And what'd be the most convincing evidence
[3:01:45] Speaker 1: or argument for the God of the Bible being real?
[3:01:51] Speaker 4: Well, the Founding Fathers were convinced enough that Jesus Christ
[3:01:59] Speaker 4: was real, God was real that they created the Christian
[3:02:03] Speaker 4: Nation of America, which we are a Christian nation and founded, Well,
[3:02:10] Speaker 4: what makes you think we're not?
[3:02:11] Speaker 1: Literally, the Founding Fathers didn't use Christian nation in any
[3:02:15] Speaker 1: of our founding documents, and many of them wrote vehemently
[3:02:18] Speaker 1: against it. Thomas Jefferson would be one, and obviously there
[3:02:21] Speaker 1: are others.
[3:02:22] Speaker 4: That's not true. It is true, that's not true.
[3:02:25] Speaker 1: It's true.
[3:02:25] Speaker 4: That's only that one. That's one letter that you're referencing.
[3:02:28] Speaker 1: Yeahs specifically says that we were a Christian but.
[3:02:32] Speaker 4: John Adams and John Adams said the Constitution is for
[3:02:35] Speaker 4: a moral and religious person.
[3:02:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, moral and religious, not Christian.
[3:02:40] Speaker 4: Well, when when a Christian says moral and religious person
[3:02:44] Speaker 4: they made Christian? Do you think they know? Like a
[3:02:46] Speaker 4: law people? Do you think that?
[3:02:48] Speaker 1: I disagree with that statement. And second of all, there's
[3:02:51] Speaker 1: plenty of Founding fathers that were deists, and this is
[3:02:54] Speaker 1: something that that's why you don't have it in the Constitution.
[3:02:57] Speaker 4: The Also, so if there was like John, if there.
[3:03:02] Speaker 1: Are also John, none of it is relevant to whether
[3:03:05] Speaker 1: or not God is real. I could give a damn
[3:03:07] Speaker 1: if the Founding fathers thought that God was real or not.
[3:03:11] Speaker 4: Yeah, but if there was case law saying we are
[3:03:13] Speaker 4: a Christian nation, would you accept that we're a Christian nation?
[3:03:16] Speaker 1: No, we're clearly not. Also, don't care.
[3:03:21] Speaker 4: I wanted to hear the argument saying that if there
[3:03:24] Speaker 4: was case law saying that we are, and you wouldn't
[3:03:27] Speaker 4: accept it.
[3:03:27] Speaker 1: I think you bumped your head on the way in
[3:03:29] Speaker 1: I think you're lost. So the debate that we're having
[3:03:32] Speaker 1: is not whether or not the Christian nation exists, which
[3:03:36] Speaker 1: clearly doesn't. The question that we're trying to answer is
[3:03:39] Speaker 1: whether or not You're God exists. Now, it may be
[3:03:41] Speaker 1: true that there were a lot of Christians that were
[3:03:44] Speaker 1: fundamental in founding the nation of America.
[3:03:46] Speaker 4: No one cares, oh, they were all Christians.
[3:03:48] Speaker 1: They were not. Not only is that not true, it
[3:03:51] Speaker 1: also doesn't It doesn't make Christianity true. I want to
[3:03:55] Speaker 1: hear the argument that results in Christianity being true.
[3:03:59] Speaker 4: Okay, sure, so I could, uh, I could give you
[3:04:02] Speaker 4: the orthodox definition of God and you could tell me
[3:04:06] Speaker 4: what you think about that.
[3:04:08] Speaker 1: Are you orthodox?
[3:04:10] Speaker 4: I am?
[3:04:11] Speaker 1: I think I already know the definition of God. I
[3:04:13] Speaker 1: want to know why I should believe in that definition.
[3:04:18] Speaker 4: Well, I mean you use logic, right, Yeah, I do
[3:04:21] Speaker 4: see the definition. You said you already know the definition.
[3:04:25] Speaker 1: I do use logic. I'm asking for the argument that
[3:04:28] Speaker 1: results in your definition of God being true, because I
[3:04:31] Speaker 1: don't think that you're God's true.
[3:04:34] Speaker 4: Do you think Jesus Christ was a real person who.
[3:04:36] Speaker 1: Walked the earth the same as Mohammad?
[3:04:38] Speaker 4: Yep? Yeah, But so you you agree that he was
[3:04:42] Speaker 4: a real person at walk the earth.
[3:04:43] Speaker 1: Do you agree that Muhammad was a real person that
[3:04:45] Speaker 1: walked the earth?
[3:04:48] Speaker 2: Uh?
[3:04:49] Speaker 4: Yeah, he probably was.
[3:04:50] Speaker 10: Yeah.
[3:04:51] Speaker 4: Do you agree that he's not very well documented?
[3:04:53] Speaker 1: Do you agree he was very well documented? Do you
[3:04:55] Speaker 1: agree that Joseph.
[3:04:56] Speaker 4: He's not that document just as.
[3:04:59] Speaker 1: Obviously never read the hadith. There are thousands of hadiths
[3:05:03] Speaker 1: that are narrated from his actual companions. So stop talking
[3:05:06] Speaker 1: about things you don't know.
[3:05:07] Speaker 4: I'm not not real. He could have been real.
[3:05:09] Speaker 1: Oh okay, do you believe Joseph Smith is a real person.
[3:05:13] Speaker 4: Joseph Smith was probably a real person.
[3:05:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, okay, So someone being real doesn't actually make
[3:05:18] Speaker 1: the mythology about them true, does it?
[3:05:28] Speaker 4: It can?
[3:05:29] Speaker 1: It cannot. Do you believe that there were eleven witnesses
[3:05:32] Speaker 1: that watched, uh, that testified the Joseph Smith's hearstone miracle.
[3:05:37] Speaker 4: No, I don't believe in Joseph Smith at all. What
[3:05:39] Speaker 4: he was a hoax.
[3:05:40] Speaker 1: But there were eleven witnesses.
[3:05:43] Speaker 4: Uh.
[3:05:43] Speaker 1: So they died as martyrs, not all of.
[3:05:46] Speaker 2: Them, Uh, Joseph, Joseph.
[3:05:48] Speaker 1: Smith and his brother died as Joseph.
[3:05:50] Speaker 4: Yeah. But but here's the thing, here's why if Joseph Smith.
[3:05:53] Speaker 4: If you say Joseph Smith was real and he was
[3:05:56] Speaker 4: a follower of Christ, then in that statement alone own uh,
[3:06:01] Speaker 4: it's falsity because Christ said there would be no prophets
[3:06:04] Speaker 4: after him, and Joseph Smith claimed to be a prophet. Well,
[3:06:11] Speaker 4: I mean he's known as the prophet Joseph Smith.
[3:06:14] Speaker 1: Show me where Jesus said that. Because Jesus didn't say that,
[3:06:16] Speaker 1: you're now you're lying.
[3:06:17] Speaker 4: Jesus certainly said there'd be no prophets. That's I mean,
[3:06:21] Speaker 4: just google it. I don't. I don't have the verse
[3:06:23] Speaker 4: in front of me. Don't you just have to take
[3:06:25] Speaker 4: my word on it?
[3:06:26] Speaker 1: No, I won't take you.
[3:06:27] Speaker 4: I mean, you can google it if you want. Well,
[3:06:29] Speaker 4: you don't. You don't accept a lot of truths in
[3:06:31] Speaker 4: your life. So you don't accept that America is a
[3:06:33] Speaker 4: Christian nation. You don't accept that Christ. Don't the person?
[3:06:36] Speaker 4: Who else?
[3:06:37] Speaker 1: Who else?
[3:06:37] Speaker 4: In history? Do you not believe it was real? Do
[3:06:39] Speaker 4: you believe George Washington was a real person?
[3:06:41] Speaker 1: I already told you Jesus is a real person.
[3:06:43] Speaker 10: I don't.
[3:06:43] Speaker 4: I don't know the verse offhand. I don't know the
[3:06:45] Speaker 4: verse offhand.
[3:06:46] Speaker 1: Okay, then that's not a good.
[3:06:47] Speaker 4: Have to know the verse off okay, what what?
[3:06:52] Speaker 2: What?
[3:06:52] Speaker 4: What verse? Offhand? Did Joseph Smith say it had eleven
[3:06:56] Speaker 4: uh followers his verses?
[3:06:58] Speaker 1: Don't say that it's the beginning of the Book of Mormon.
[3:07:00] Speaker 1: There's a letter that is at the beginning of the
[3:07:02] Speaker 1: Mormon from the individual, from the from the individual, I writ,
[3:07:09] Speaker 1: you don't.
[3:07:09] Speaker 4: Know, you don't know. It's okay, just say you don't
[3:07:12] Speaker 4: know it. Just say you don't know it. Say you can,
[3:07:16] Speaker 4: I can google it. I can google it.
[3:07:18] Speaker 1: I told you exactly where it was, dummy, I said,
[3:07:21] Speaker 1: it's it's.
[3:07:21] Speaker 4: A letter the laugh of the prophets.
[3:07:26] Speaker 1: He didn't say that. And also I have to mute
[3:07:28] Speaker 1: you since you won't let me talk. So I told
[3:07:30] Speaker 1: you it's appended to the beginning of the Book of Mormon,
[3:07:34] Speaker 1: the witnesses. If you pick up a Book of Mormon,
[3:07:36] Speaker 1: it's a separate section at the very beginning of it.
[3:07:39] Speaker 1: Let's see where it's at in this one. This is
[3:07:41] Speaker 1: the full with the Doctor and Covenants and the Pearl
[3:07:44] Speaker 1: of great Price, the one you get like the standard
[3:07:46] Speaker 1: Book of Mormontes, right at the beginning of it. But
[3:07:48] Speaker 1: I suspect it's going to be in a different location here,
[3:07:52] Speaker 1: because this is going to be in a different order. Actually,
[3:07:56] Speaker 1: I don't know where it is in this one. In
[3:07:58] Speaker 1: my standard Book of Mormon, it's in the beginning. Right
[3:08:02] Speaker 1: at the beginning of the Book of Mormon. You've got
[3:08:04] Speaker 1: the testimony of the Eleven Witnesses. This one's got the
[3:08:07] Speaker 1: Bible and then the Book of Mormon. So maybe I
[3:08:09] Speaker 1: go past the Bible to the Book of Mormon, and
[3:08:14] Speaker 1: maybe it's going to be prior to the Book of
[3:08:16] Speaker 1: Mormon after revelation. Let me see topical guide, topical guide,
[3:08:24] Speaker 1: huge topical guide. Yeah, because it's full of fake places.
[3:08:28] Speaker 1: Book of Mormon's got a gigantic topical guide and holy smokes,
[3:08:34] Speaker 1: like two hundred pages sit. There's a Bible dictionary in
[3:08:37] Speaker 1: here too. I wonder these things so big. Okay, there's
[3:08:40] Speaker 1: the preface to the Book of Mormon. It's got notes
[3:08:43] Speaker 1: on the translation, and it's got a note from the translator.
[3:08:48] Speaker 1: Let's see. And I bet the next thing is going
[3:08:52] Speaker 1: to be the Eleven Witnesses. Where is that after the maps?
[3:09:07] Speaker 4: Fuck?
[3:09:08] Speaker 1: I don't know. Listen, I'm out a Mormon brief explanation
[3:09:13] Speaker 1: about the Book of Mormon. There we go testimony. It
[3:09:16] Speaker 1: is right at the beginning of the Book of Mormon,
[3:09:19] Speaker 1: testimony of the Eight Witnesses, right before the Book of
[3:09:22] Speaker 1: Mormon in the uh in the fat one that includes
[3:09:25] Speaker 1: the Bible and the Appendix and the Dictionary and all
[3:09:27] Speaker 1: the other ship just like the regular Book of Mormon. Okay,
[3:09:30] Speaker 1: So it was exactly where I told you where it
[3:09:32] Speaker 1: would be. So now I want you to find me
[3:09:36] Speaker 1: the quote that you said Jesus quoted.
[3:09:39] Speaker 4: Okay, So for the record, you didn't know where it
[3:09:41] Speaker 4: was and you had to google where it was.
[3:09:42] Speaker 1: I didn't.
[3:09:43] Speaker 4: I literally showed you where it was, specifically asked you
[3:09:46] Speaker 4: specifically asked, I.
[3:09:47] Speaker 1: Said, we'll try this again. So, John, what I did
[3:09:49] Speaker 1: is I told you that it was at the beg.
[3:09:52] Speaker 1: I told you that it was at the beginning of
[3:09:54] Speaker 1: the Book of Mormon, and then I went back and I.
[3:09:56] Speaker 4: Grabbed my off, saying that's in the back.
[3:10:01] Speaker 1: So what I did, John, is I told you it
[3:10:02] Speaker 1: was at the very beginning of the Book of Mormon.
[3:10:05] Speaker 1: And then I grabbed my Book of Mormon and I
[3:10:08] Speaker 1: showed you at the beginning of the Book of Mormon
[3:10:10] Speaker 1: where it shows up the Testimony of the Witnesses. It
[3:10:12] Speaker 1: was exactly in the Book of Mormon where I told
[3:10:15] Speaker 1: you it would be. It's not a verse in the
[3:10:18] Speaker 1: Book of Mormon because it's not part of the Book
[3:10:19] Speaker 1: of Mormon. It's included. It's appended to the Book of Mormon.
[3:10:25] Speaker 1: So now, John, can you show me where the verse
[3:10:27] Speaker 1: year talking about exists?
[3:10:29] Speaker 4: No, because I can't google it right now?
[3:10:31] Speaker 1: Because all right, next point.
[3:10:34] Speaker 4: I mean, you didn't disprove me. I mean all you
[3:10:37] Speaker 4: did was proved that you didn't know exactly where it was,
[3:10:39] Speaker 4: and you had to google it yourself.
[3:10:41] Speaker 1: It was exactly where I told you it was.
[3:10:43] Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, it's in the back of the Bible. It's
[3:10:45] Speaker 4: in the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Which one I'm just
[3:10:49] Speaker 4: I'm just as accurate.
[3:10:51] Speaker 1: And the description which gospel?
[3:10:53] Speaker 4: John, the Gospel, the New Testament, the Gospel, four Gospels.
[3:11:02] Speaker 4: I don't have to.
[3:11:02] Speaker 1: You don't know the four fucking Gospels. I don't.
[3:11:05] Speaker 4: I don't have to.
[3:11:07] Speaker 1: I don't think you do. I don't have to name
[3:11:10] Speaker 1: the first five books of the Bible.
[3:11:13] Speaker 4: I don't have to.
[3:11:14] Speaker 1: This is an embarrassment, John, You've never read it, have you?
[3:11:17] Speaker 4: Why? Why is it an embarrassment?
[3:11:19] Speaker 2: Because you.
[3:11:21] Speaker 4: Because you Google exactly what you said you didn't have
[3:11:24] Speaker 4: to google.
[3:11:25] Speaker 6: John.
[3:11:26] Speaker 4: Second, John, you said you didn't have to.
[3:11:27] Speaker 1: John. Not only are you embarrassing yourself when.
[3:11:29] Speaker 4: You watched this looking for it, you embarrassed yourself, John,
[3:11:32] Speaker 4: when you totally contradicted yourself right live for everybody to see.
[3:11:36] Speaker 1: Oh wait, okay, So John, when you watch this video back,
[3:11:38] Speaker 1: what you'll see is me picking a Book of Mormon
[3:11:41] Speaker 1: off my shelf and.
[3:11:43] Speaker 4: Showing you would you like me to go get my bible?
[3:11:48] Speaker 1: John, what I like to do is to stop talking
[3:11:50] Speaker 1: over me. What you'll see is me going to the
[3:11:53] Speaker 1: bookshelf behind me, grabbing the Book of Mormon and going
[3:11:57] Speaker 1: through the Book of Mormon and showing you exactly where
[3:12:01] Speaker 1: the testimony of the witnesses are, and it happens to
[3:12:03] Speaker 1: be right at the beginning of the Book of Mormon
[3:12:06] Speaker 1: where I told you it actually would be. So I
[3:12:08] Speaker 1: didn't google anything. I had a physical fucking book in
[3:12:11] Speaker 1: my hand. Now, if you need to go get your Bible,
[3:12:16] Speaker 1: I only have to do it because you never stop talking.
[3:12:18] Speaker 1: You won't let me talk of my own live stream.
[3:12:20] Speaker 4: And when I do talk you talking to you keep talking.
[3:12:22] Speaker 4: You're talking while I'm talking John, John, you're talking while
[3:12:25] Speaker 4: I'm talking, and talking John, you're talking with.
[3:12:27] Speaker 1: John, You're talking when I'm talking.
[3:12:29] Speaker 4: So you're talking when I'm talking.
[3:12:31] Speaker 1: I'll just make sure your microphone is lower than mine. So,
[3:12:33] Speaker 1: now what will happen is every time you try talking
[3:12:35] Speaker 1: over me, no one can actually hear you. Every time
[3:12:38] Speaker 1: you talk while I'm talking, no one's ever gonna hear
[3:12:40] Speaker 1: a single word that comes out of your your beta
[3:12:44] Speaker 1: cuck mouth. Know everything that you're saying right now? Is
[3:12:48] Speaker 1: this going to be bumbling? In the background of the video,
[3:12:51] Speaker 1: You're you're so lost, You're so concussed, and now you're
[3:12:54] Speaker 1: you're lying and crying and you're you're, Oh, yeah, so
[3:13:00] Speaker 1: I love soy. I love sooy. It's actually it's actually
[3:13:03] Speaker 1: got a lot of protein. And I don't know if
[3:13:05] Speaker 1: you I don't know, if I don't know, if you know,
[3:13:07] Speaker 1: I don't know if you know about this, John, but
[3:13:09] Speaker 1: Soey has a pretty high content of protein. I'm certainly
[3:13:13] Speaker 1: not but you'd be attracted to me if I was sure,
[3:13:17] Speaker 1: I would.
[3:13:19] Speaker 4: Yeah, Would you let a trans woman pound you from behind?
[3:13:22] Speaker 1: No, I'm not into that.
[3:13:23] Speaker 4: You're not into s trans women's dicks.
[3:13:26] Speaker 1: See this is this is how value are see how
[3:13:28] Speaker 1: it comes. This is a good this is a good
[3:13:31] Speaker 1: Christian up here, trans watch the good Christian that we've
[3:13:37] Speaker 1: the good Christian.
[3:13:38] Speaker 4: That we've got here, good Christian.
[3:13:41] Speaker 1: We've got the Christian on the board here now that
[3:13:44] Speaker 1: is lying about the Bible and is now going into
[3:13:47] Speaker 1: crazy tirades about trans people because you're because you're because
[3:13:54] Speaker 1: you're because you're a hate because you're a hateful maniac,
[3:13:58] Speaker 1: and you can't actually stay on topics, John, what I
[3:14:03] Speaker 1: am transphobic?
[3:14:04] Speaker 4: So we'll just mute so you're transphobic?
[3:14:06] Speaker 1: Sorry, So what I have to do is mute people
[3:14:09] Speaker 1: that don't have like enough maturity to have adult conversations.
[3:14:14] Speaker 1: Clearly you don't have the maturity for that. I would
[3:14:17] Speaker 1: love to have an actual adult conversation with you. Are
[3:14:21] Speaker 1: you willing to do that or do you want to
[3:14:23] Speaker 1: continuously like deviate on side topics that are irrelevant.
[3:14:28] Speaker 4: I'm willing to do that. But you called me a
[3:14:31] Speaker 4: cook first, so you are returning the energy.
[3:14:33] Speaker 1: Okay, So what I'd like to hear. So what I'd
[3:14:36] Speaker 1: like to hear is the argument for what you were
[3:14:39] Speaker 1: laying down prior, which is why is your religion true.
[3:14:45] Speaker 4: Well, because God is a being which no greater can
[3:14:50] Speaker 4: be conceived. And when you start to think of that logically,
[3:14:54] Speaker 4: you start to understand that God is real.
[3:14:57] Speaker 1: Just conceiving it doesn't make it real. So that didn't help.
[3:14:59] Speaker 1: I can conceive of the tooth fairy, Does it make
[3:15:01] Speaker 1: the tooth fairy real? Try again?
[3:15:08] Speaker 4: Yeah? But when you're trying to apply it to where
[3:15:11] Speaker 4: the universe may have come, like, where do you think
[3:15:13] Speaker 4: the universe came from? Where do you think physics came from?
[3:15:16] Speaker 1: First of all, I'd like that's not answer my question,
[3:15:19] Speaker 1: not answer my question. What I think about the universe
[3:15:25] Speaker 1: isn't an answer to your question. I'm asking for your
[3:15:28] Speaker 1: answer to the question. Do you have one? So what's
[3:15:31] Speaker 1: the argument for you?
[3:15:32] Speaker 4: God being from where the universe came from? God created
[3:15:34] Speaker 4: the universe?
[3:15:35] Speaker 1: Prove it? Uh?
[3:15:37] Speaker 4: Well, I have this book that says it did. So
[3:15:39] Speaker 4: what I did?
[3:15:39] Speaker 1: I don't give a ship?
[3:15:41] Speaker 10: Yeah?
[3:15:41] Speaker 4: Well, I mean, do you have a better what you call?
[3:15:44] Speaker 4: Do you have a better explanation?
[3:15:46] Speaker 1: I do? But what's your book called?
[3:15:47] Speaker 4: Well, what's your explanation?
[3:15:49] Speaker 1: What's your book called? John?
[3:15:51] Speaker 4: It's called the Bible?
[3:15:52] Speaker 1: Okay, So it's true because the Bible says, So.
[3:15:55] Speaker 4: Yeah, do you have a better explanation?
[3:15:57] Speaker 1: I do, But that's not what we're talking about. We're
[3:16:00] Speaker 1: talking about the Bible right now. Is everything in the
[3:16:03] Speaker 1: Bible true? John?
[3:16:05] Speaker 4: What's your explaining?
[3:16:06] Speaker 1: Is everything in the Bible true?
[3:16:07] Speaker 4: Everything in the Bible is true?
[3:16:09] Speaker 1: Okay? What percentage percent.
[3:16:13] Speaker 4: Correct?
[3:16:13] Speaker 1: Not a single error correct? Okay? If the Bible does
[3:16:17] Speaker 1: have errors, what would that mean about the Bible?
[3:16:21] Speaker 4: That you probably have a misprinted Bible?
[3:16:23] Speaker 1: Do you think the Earth is flat?
[3:16:26] Speaker 4: No? Nor does the Bible say it's flat.
[3:16:29] Speaker 1: Well, we can talk about that next. Do you think
[3:16:31] Speaker 1: that God is omnipotent?
[3:16:33] Speaker 4: Talk about it? Now? Where does it say? Where does
[3:16:35] Speaker 4: it say in the Bible that?
[3:16:36] Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, but you're not
[3:16:37] Speaker 1: in charge of the conversation. We can get there next.
[3:16:39] Speaker 4: So okay, so you're just going to say stuff and
[3:16:41] Speaker 4: then and keep going Okay, yes.
[3:16:43] Speaker 1: That's exactly what I'm going to do. So, do you
[3:16:44] Speaker 1: believe that God is omnipotent?
[3:16:48] Speaker 4: Explain all nipotent? What do you mean? Uh, Logically he's
[3:16:54] Speaker 4: all powerful?
[3:16:54] Speaker 10: Yes?
[3:16:55] Speaker 1: Do you think that God is all knowing?
[3:16:58] Speaker 4: Logically God is all known?
[3:17:00] Speaker 1: Yes? What does it even mean? What does it mean
[3:17:03] Speaker 1: to be logically all knowing?
[3:17:05] Speaker 4: Well, it means logically all powerful means God can't create
[3:17:09] Speaker 4: a rock, which he can.
[3:17:09] Speaker 1: I didn't ask you about logically all powerful. I asked
[3:17:12] Speaker 1: you about all.
[3:17:12] Speaker 4: Knowing, Well, logically all knowing.
[3:17:15] Speaker 1: What does logically all knowing mean? I don't know, Google,
[3:17:22] Speaker 1: it is what happens when you use words you don't
[3:17:24] Speaker 1: even know what they mean.
[3:17:26] Speaker 4: Well, I mean all knowing. What do you mean by
[3:17:28] Speaker 4: all knowing?
[3:17:29] Speaker 1: Does he know all things? It's easy?
[3:17:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah.
[3:17:34] Speaker 1: Okay, so he does know all things.
[3:17:36] Speaker 4: But as long as it made logical sense though, That's
[3:17:38] Speaker 4: what I'm trying to say. So if you were like
[3:17:42] Speaker 4: maybe perhaps you could come up with a scenario that
[3:17:45] Speaker 4: doesn't make logical sense, like like can God know how
[3:17:50] Speaker 4: to turn a light bulb on and off at the
[3:17:52] Speaker 4: same time?
[3:17:53] Speaker 2: Right?
[3:17:54] Speaker 4: Like, God can't turn a light on and off at
[3:17:56] Speaker 4: the same time, because that's not logical.
[3:17:59] Speaker 1: That's asking about, now, coledge of an illogical experience. I'm
[3:18:01] Speaker 1: just asking about, does he know all things that are
[3:18:04] Speaker 1: that are happening, will happen, or have happened?
[3:18:08] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[3:18:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so we're almost there. Do you also believe
[3:18:12] Speaker 1: that God is all good. Yeah, yeah, Okay, finally you've
[3:18:18] Speaker 1: got a description of your God that we can work with. Now,
[3:18:20] Speaker 1: do you believe that Jesus was betrayed using thirty pieces
[3:18:24] Speaker 1: of silver, as prophesied by the Old Testament prophecies?
[3:18:29] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[3:18:29] Speaker 1: Sure, And that shows up from Matthew twenty seven, where
[3:18:32] Speaker 1: it says that concerning the thirty pieces of silver, then
[3:18:35] Speaker 1: was fulfilled what had been spoken through the prophet Jeremiah.
[3:18:38] Speaker 1: And then he quotes Jeremiah and he says, and they
[3:18:41] Speaker 1: took the thirty pieces of silver the price of the
[3:18:44] Speaker 1: one on whom a price had been set.
[3:18:47] Speaker 4: And then you know all this, But you don't know
[3:18:48] Speaker 4: when Christ said that there'd be no more prophets.
[3:18:51] Speaker 1: Well, he didn't say it. That's why I know it.
[3:18:53] Speaker 1: You're lying so, Well, what I'm asking for is there's
[3:18:56] Speaker 1: a quotation in Matthew twenty seven that comes from Jeremiah.
[3:19:00] Speaker 1: Can you show me in Jeremiah where that comes from?
[3:19:03] Speaker 1: You get your bible on you?
[3:19:04] Speaker 4: No, I don't have my bible in front.
[3:19:05] Speaker 1: Well go get it. I'll give you time. Go get it.
[3:19:08] Speaker 4: I can't. I can't.
[3:19:09] Speaker 1: You can't go get it? Where are you?
[3:19:13] Speaker 4: No? So You're just gonna have to ask me the
[3:19:14] Speaker 4: other questions.
[3:19:15] Speaker 1: Are you Are you at home?
[3:19:18] Speaker 6: No?
[3:19:19] Speaker 4: Where? Where?
[3:19:19] Speaker 1: Are you at work?
[3:19:22] Speaker 4: What? What do you? What do you? What are you
[3:19:24] Speaker 4: getting at?
[3:19:24] Speaker 1: I want you to get your Bible?
[3:19:26] Speaker 4: You want?
[3:19:27] Speaker 1: I want you to get your Bible so I can
[3:19:29] Speaker 1: show you to your face where the problem is, Well,
[3:19:33] Speaker 1: just say it. Do you have a Bible available to you?
[3:19:36] Speaker 4: Are you? Say what the contradiction is?
[3:19:39] Speaker 1: Are you at home or work? Which one I cannot get?
[3:19:43] Speaker 4: I cannot get my Bible in front of me, nor
[3:19:46] Speaker 4: can I switch browsers because I'm on my phone.
[3:19:48] Speaker 1: Okay, well, I'll make it.
[3:19:49] Speaker 4: Easier if you're going to have to say the.
[3:19:51] Speaker 1: Quotation from Matthew twenty five doesn't come from Jeremiah, comes
[3:19:55] Speaker 1: from Zachariah, the author of Matthew screwed up.
[3:20:04] Speaker 4: No he didn't he did.
[3:20:06] Speaker 1: No you're wrong, No, you're wrong.
[3:20:10] Speaker 4: No, you just have one of those Bibles that are misprinted.
[3:20:13] Speaker 4: I've seen not misprinted. Let me explain. If you look up,
[3:20:17] Speaker 4: there's a contradiction in years which Muslims bring up in
[3:20:20] Speaker 4: their fake Bibles too, whenever they have them and they
[3:20:23] Speaker 4: street preach.
[3:20:24] Speaker 1: Where which Bible translation do you want.
[3:20:25] Speaker 4: Me to read like twenty two.
[3:20:27] Speaker 1: Give me, give me your favorite Bible translation. Which one
[3:20:30] Speaker 1: do you want to read?
[3:20:30] Speaker 4: You speak?
[3:20:31] Speaker 1: You won't let me speak, John, give me your favorite
[3:20:33] Speaker 1: Bible translation. I'll read it. Uh.
[3:20:36] Speaker 4: I believe it's Hebrews one.
[3:20:42] Speaker 1: That's not a Bible translation. That's the name of a book.
[3:20:45] Speaker 1: I'm asking for your favorite Bible translation.
[3:20:47] Speaker 4: Oh, what translation? I mean?
[3:20:49] Speaker 1: What do you mean you're saying I'm reading a fake translation.
[3:20:53] Speaker 1: I want you to tell me what the right translation is?
[3:20:56] Speaker 4: Said a misprint?
[3:20:57] Speaker 1: It's not a misprint. Sure would be on the internet if.
[3:21:01] Speaker 4: You found if you found a contradiction in your Bible, right,
[3:21:05] Speaker 4: it's it's in every one of those. Well, what's the contradiction.
[3:21:10] Speaker 1: The contradiction is that the prophecy is given to Jeremiah
[3:21:14] Speaker 1: when it was said by Zachariah.
[3:21:19] Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not familiar with that contradiction.
[3:21:21] Speaker 1: Yeah, I know you're not, because you haven't read the Bible.
[3:21:23] Speaker 4: So you're telling me in two thousand years you're the
[3:21:26] Speaker 4: first person to discover this.
[3:21:28] Speaker 1: Nope, they've been talking about this for two thousand years.
[3:21:30] Speaker 1: If you bothered to read the early Church writings, you
[3:21:33] Speaker 1: would find that early opponents like Julian and Kelsis were
[3:21:37] Speaker 1: already pointing out these contradictions long before me. The problem
[3:21:41] Speaker 1: is that Christians, just like you, weren't actually reading the Bible. Well,
[3:21:45] Speaker 1: that's the other problem is zach Ry didn't. Zacharian didn't
[3:21:48] Speaker 1: say it either, John.
[3:21:50] Speaker 4: So wait, what's this have anything to do with what
[3:21:52] Speaker 4: you were just questioning me?
[3:21:53] Speaker 1: Right, So we'll try this from the beginning. So there's
[3:21:55] Speaker 1: a quotation that's credited to Jeremiah. Jeremiah didn't say that. Shit,
[3:22:00] Speaker 1: it doesn't show up in Jeremiah anywhere. The part of
[3:22:02] Speaker 1: the quotation that does show up.
[3:22:04] Speaker 4: Sure, you're taking it out of context if it does
[3:22:06] Speaker 4: seem like there's a contradiction.
[3:22:08] Speaker 1: Okay, so now you're muted. So the part of the
[3:22:10] Speaker 1: quotation that does show up in the prophets shows up
[3:22:14] Speaker 1: in Zachariah. And if you read Zachariah chapter eleven, is
[3:22:17] Speaker 1: not a prophecy about the Messiah being betrayed for thirty
[3:22:20] Speaker 1: pieces of silver, not even close to that. What it is.
[3:22:23] Speaker 1: It's a performative prophecy. From Zachariah's point of view, Zachariah
[3:22:29] Speaker 1: is returning the money to the treasury that he was
[3:22:32] Speaker 1: paid by his co workers. It's not even a prophecy
[3:22:37] Speaker 1: whatsoever about anybody being betrayed. Nobody gets betrayed in the
[3:22:41] Speaker 1: prophecy of Zachariah. Also, it doesn't come from Jeremiah, which
[3:22:46] Speaker 1: means Matthew's wrong. Do you see the problem?
[3:22:51] Speaker 4: So what verse? I'm sorry, Go ahead and say it again.
[3:22:54] Speaker 4: I got my Bible now, Oh you.
[3:22:56] Speaker 1: Told me you couldn't get your Bible. I've never seen
[3:23:00] Speaker 1: someone lie so many times on a stream in such
[3:23:03] Speaker 1: a short time period.
[3:23:05] Speaker 4: I couldn't get it at that moment.
[3:23:06] Speaker 1: You know, liars go to Lake of Fire right Revelation
[3:23:13] Speaker 1: twenty one seven and eight. Buddy, that's that's your destination,
[3:23:16] Speaker 1: Lake of Fire. So open your bible to Matthew twenty seven.
[3:23:23] Speaker 1: Maybe you can follow along.
[3:23:34] Speaker 2: Where do you go?
[3:23:37] Speaker 1: I think his connection paused? What I say, I didn't
[3:23:43] Speaker 1: hear you. Your connection went out? Try again, Hello, no
[3:23:46] Speaker 1: one heard you. Your connection went out. Do you have
[3:23:51] Speaker 1: your Bible open to Matthew twenty seven? This guy is
[3:24:01] Speaker 1: so bad at what he's doing. Even God's killing his connection.
[3:24:04] Speaker 1: God's embarrassed of him. His connection keeps dropping out. He
[3:24:09] Speaker 1: dropped out again. He'll come back soon.
[3:24:14] Speaker 10: By the way chat. I'm not the one Justin's talking to.
[3:24:18] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you should see it on the screen. There's
[3:24:22] Speaker 1: John right there, see John? Or if you're horizontal over here. Yeah,
[3:24:27] Speaker 1: I'm not talking to dogad.
[3:24:31] Speaker 10: They should doesn't help him on my backup.
[3:24:35] Speaker 1: Hopefully they know better by now. Well, John is still
[3:24:39] Speaker 1: only halfway connected. It looks like he's trying to connect again.
[3:24:43] Speaker 1: We'll give him a minute.
[3:24:45] Speaker 4: Hello, all right, Yeah, something's going on with my connection. Yeah,
[3:24:50] Speaker 4: and I don't know what it is. Can you hear
[3:24:51] Speaker 4: me now?
[3:24:52] Speaker 1: I can hear you right now?
[3:24:53] Speaker 4: Okay, Matthew's twenty seven.
[3:24:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, do you know where Matthew is?
[3:24:57] Speaker 4: Matthew seven?
[3:25:00] Speaker 1: Okay, Matthew twenty seven.
[3:25:02] Speaker 4: Go down to verses on Matthew twenty seven. What you
[3:25:06] Speaker 4: just delivered to plot Ah there for that field has
[3:25:13] Speaker 4: been called the field of blood to this day.
[3:25:16] Speaker 1: Read nine.
[3:25:20] Speaker 4: Then was fulfilled.
[3:25:26] Speaker 1: If you're talking, we can't hear you. This guy's connections, dogshit.
[3:25:30] Speaker 1: His connections as bad as his his his ability to think.
[3:25:35] Speaker 4: Yeah, I can you hear me now?
[3:25:36] Speaker 1: I can hear you now?
[3:25:38] Speaker 4: All right?
[3:25:40] Speaker 10: Yeah, all right?
[3:25:42] Speaker 1: Did you read the part where he said the prophecy
[3:25:44] Speaker 1: from Jeremiah was fulfilled.
[3:25:53] Speaker 4: So, and they took the pieces of silver. So what
[3:25:56] Speaker 4: part says that he? No, it's they gave him the
[3:26:00] Speaker 4: potters field, and the Lord directed.
[3:26:02] Speaker 1: Me verse nine Matthew, twenty seven nine.
[3:26:08] Speaker 4: Yeah, twenty seven nine nine. Then they billed what had
[3:26:13] Speaker 4: been spoken to the prophet Jeremiah, that they took the
[3:26:18] Speaker 4: thirty pieces of silver the price of him. Yeah, okay,
[3:26:21] Speaker 4: So what are you saying that's a quotation.
[3:26:23] Speaker 1: He's saying that this is a quotation from Jeremiah. But
[3:26:28] Speaker 1: it's not a quotation from Jeremiah. It's a quotation from
[3:26:31] Speaker 1: Zachariah eleven. In fact, if your Bible has a cross reference,
[3:26:35] Speaker 1: it'll tell you that.
[3:26:38] Speaker 4: Okay. But but Zachariah said it to Jeremiah, didn't.
[3:26:43] Speaker 1: He No, zachari didn't say this at all.
[3:26:45] Speaker 4: And if Jeremiah spoke it to someone else, they could
[3:26:48] Speaker 4: just be quoting him because of.
[3:26:50] Speaker 1: That, Zacharia was written after Jeremiah.
[3:26:56] Speaker 4: Okay, but they existed together, right, No, they didn't. How
[3:27:01] Speaker 4: do they both quote Jesus?
[3:27:02] Speaker 1: Then they didn't quote Jesus. They're both prophets that lived
[3:27:05] Speaker 1: hundreds of years before Jesus. You've never read this book.
[3:27:09] Speaker 4: Heavier both prophets. That's how they could have known then,
[3:27:11] Speaker 4: so he could have profit. So he's prophecying it. What
[3:27:13] Speaker 4: do you mean if he's a prophet?
[3:27:16] Speaker 1: Try to follow along, Try to follow along, John Oh, Matthew,
[3:27:20] Speaker 1: Prophet Matthew is saying that Jeremiah said a thing. Jeremiah
[3:27:25] Speaker 1: didn't say a thing. Zachariah said it. He quotes the
[3:27:29] Speaker 1: wrong prophet. Do you see how that's a problem.
[3:27:38] Speaker 4: Don't know enough about this to say. I don't say no.
[3:27:41] Speaker 4: I don't see how that's a problem. I really don't. Okay,
[3:27:43] Speaker 4: So is quoting Jeremiah saying it too? Who cares?
[3:27:46] Speaker 1: Jeremiah didn't say it. That's the problem.
[3:27:50] Speaker 4: They're quoting him right here, saying he said it.
[3:27:53] Speaker 1: What do you know? It's not in Jeremiah that you
[3:27:56] Speaker 1: will not find that anywhere Jeremiah doesn't exists.
[3:27:58] Speaker 4: Be spoken.
[3:27:59] Speaker 1: It's not there.
[3:28:07] Speaker 4: Okay, So that.
[3:28:08] Speaker 1: Quote does not here say it. He didn't fucking say
[3:28:12] Speaker 1: it is a quotation from Zachariah eleven. You know, because
[3:28:18] Speaker 1: because because it's in there, because when you read, when
[3:28:22] Speaker 1: you read Zacharyah, that quote is in Zacharyah saying he
[3:28:27] Speaker 1: got the wrong person.
[3:28:29] Speaker 4: Mm hmm.
[3:28:30] Speaker 1: This guy can't be. This guy has no ounce of
[3:28:33] Speaker 1: honesty none. Not only is the unintelligent, he's not only
[3:28:37] Speaker 1: is the unintelligent, he's actually not honest either, which I
[3:28:40] Speaker 1: don't know.
[3:28:41] Speaker 4: Jeremiah, it doesn't it's not a quotation.
[3:28:44] Speaker 1: It's not a quotation from Jeremiah, doesn't exist in Jeremiah.
[3:28:49] Speaker 4: Show me where he said it?
[3:28:51] Speaker 1: Show it to me?
[3:28:52] Speaker 4: Does a lot more?
[3:28:53] Speaker 1: Show it to me?
[3:28:54] Speaker 4: Did a lot more stuff?
[3:28:56] Speaker 1: Prove it?
[3:28:56] Speaker 19: Bro?
[3:28:56] Speaker 4: Can I say something?
[3:28:57] Speaker 1: Prove it?
[3:29:00] Speaker 4: Did Jeremiah? Did Jeremiah do more in his life than
[3:29:05] Speaker 4: what's just written down in Jeremiah?
[3:29:08] Speaker 1: I'm sure he did, But did he say the thing
[3:29:10] Speaker 1: that's credited to him?
[3:29:11] Speaker 4: So is it possible that he still said this and
[3:29:13] Speaker 4: it's just not written down?
[3:29:14] Speaker 1: We would have the documents, John, We don't have the documents.
[3:29:20] Speaker 1: Is the only document is the only documents that were
[3:29:24] Speaker 1: available the only prophecy John, the only documents that were
[3:29:28] Speaker 1: available to Matthew.
[3:29:29] Speaker 13: We have.
[3:29:30] Speaker 1: We have all the same documents that Matthew had.
[3:29:34] Speaker 4: You're losing the argument, but.
[3:29:36] Speaker 1: You are getting absolutely blame roasted, and you have no
[3:29:39] Speaker 1: idea what to do. They didn't say both prophecy is
[3:29:43] Speaker 1: not a word.
[3:29:44] Speaker 4: You think you think that because Jeremia if they didn't
[3:29:48] Speaker 4: write sit down in Jeremiah that he didn't say it.
[3:29:54] Speaker 1: We have nothing in Jeremiah that says that. We have
[3:29:56] Speaker 1: a quotation from zach Ryada does say it. The real
[3:30:00] Speaker 1: is all of the documents that were being quoted from
[3:30:03] Speaker 1: by the New Testament authors are in the Greek scept
[3:30:05] Speaker 1: Tu Agent. We have many documents of the Greek scept Tuagent,
[3:30:08] Speaker 1: and all of the ones containing Jeremiah don't contain that quote.
[3:30:12] Speaker 1: As it happens, all of the ones containing Zachariah does
[3:30:14] Speaker 1: include that quote. Because Matthew fucked it up, you why
[3:30:23] Speaker 1: don't else they fucked up? He fucked up the death
[3:30:25] Speaker 1: of Judas. Didn't get that right either. Matthew and Luke
[3:30:28] Speaker 1: don't agree on how Judas died. They don't even agree
[3:30:31] Speaker 1: on who bought the field. His connection went out again.
[3:30:46] Speaker 1: At least we got a moment of peace while his
[3:30:48] Speaker 1: connection's out.
[3:30:49] Speaker 4: Yeah, he's kind of trying to fix it. I don't
[3:30:51] Speaker 4: know what's what's going on off my phone.
[3:30:53] Speaker 1: If you can hear me, I can hear right now.
[3:30:57] Speaker 4: Yeah. So, yeah, they just both said it. That's all
[3:31:00] Speaker 4: they did. Doesn't say they didnt saying, huh, they know
[3:31:05] Speaker 4: just because they didn't write it down. In Jeremiah, Matthew
[3:31:08] Speaker 4: covers a lot of stuff, doesn't it that's not said
[3:31:10] Speaker 4: in the other books.
[3:31:11] Speaker 1: Nope, he doesn't. Right, Matthew does not quote the single
[3:31:15] Speaker 1: thing that doesn't show up in the Old Testament.
[3:31:19] Speaker 4: No, no, no, no, no, I said that the other books
[3:31:21] Speaker 4: don't say.
[3:31:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, well, yeah, obviously the author of Luke is going
[3:31:25] Speaker 1: to say some things that are different than the author
[3:31:27] Speaker 1: of Matthew. They're different people. They do also say the
[3:31:30] Speaker 1: same thing because they're using the same sources. The question
[3:31:35] Speaker 1: is did the quotation come from Jeremiah? It clearly did not.
[3:31:41] Speaker 4: Well, Again, the Gospel of Matthew says a lot of
[3:31:44] Speaker 4: stuff that Where was I at? Shit? I just closed
[3:31:50] Speaker 4: the page twenty seven, right Matthew twenty seven? Yeah, I
[3:31:56] Speaker 4: see no contradiction here. Though they both could have said it.
[3:31:59] Speaker 4: I mean they did, and they were both so Jeremiah
[3:32:02] Speaker 4: didn't say easily prophecy the same thing.
[3:32:05] Speaker 1: Prophecy it again, isn't a word. I'm just the truth
[3:32:08] Speaker 1: of the matter.
[3:32:09] Speaker 4: Here's the thing is, I'm not an expert on the.
[3:32:11] Speaker 1: Bible, but you never you've never even read the Bible.
[3:32:16] Speaker 4: I've read the Bible. You have not an expert on
[3:32:18] Speaker 4: it though.
[3:32:19] Speaker 1: You couldn't even name the first four books in the Bible.
[3:32:21] Speaker 1: I have name the first five books, don't. You don't
[3:32:23] Speaker 1: look at your Bible? Name them right now.
[3:32:26] Speaker 4: I didn't say I had to.
[3:32:27] Speaker 1: So you never read the book, okay, just checking? So
[3:32:29] Speaker 1: you have no idea what's in the book? I hear
[3:32:31] Speaker 1: your pages flipping, dummy.
[3:32:35] Speaker 4: Yeah, because I was looking for the first book.
[3:32:38] Speaker 10: I know.
[3:32:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, you're looking to figure out the answer the question.
[3:32:43] Speaker 2: You think.
[3:32:44] Speaker 1: Do you think you look good? Do you think you
[3:32:45] Speaker 1: look good right now? You think that you're impressing the
[3:32:47] Speaker 1: audience right now? I do, yeah, nervous laughing, I would
[3:32:51] Speaker 1: nervous laugh right now. You're you're you're literally, you're absolutely
[3:32:55] Speaker 1: you're absolutely concussed right now. You have no idea where
[3:32:58] Speaker 1: you're at.
[3:32:58] Speaker 4: You're totally lost. I'll give you.
[3:33:01] Speaker 1: I'll give you an easier one. All right. You don't
[3:33:03] Speaker 1: even have to be honest about.
[3:33:05] Speaker 4: This one anything. Right there? For the record, you.
[3:33:07] Speaker 1: Didn't, well I did. It's okay. If you can't be
[3:33:09] Speaker 1: honest with how words were, let me ask you a question.
[3:33:12] Speaker 1: Does God change his mind. You just you just proved me.
[3:33:15] Speaker 1: I proved that you lack the ability to think rationally.
[3:33:20] Speaker 1: Do you think that God can change his mind?
[3:33:24] Speaker 4: Wait? How am I not thinking rationally? If somebody's quote
[3:33:28] Speaker 4: it in the Bible saying something, the rational thing is
[3:33:31] Speaker 4: that they probably said it.
[3:33:32] Speaker 3: Also, No, he didn't say it.
[3:33:34] Speaker 1: We have the writings of Jeremiah. Right, Matthew didn't know Jeremiah.
[3:33:39] Speaker 4: John Lord didn't Will people say Christ as Lord John.
[3:33:42] Speaker 1: Matthew didn't know Jeremiah. They weren't friends. They were separated
[3:33:45] Speaker 1: by six hundred years.
[3:33:46] Speaker 4: Almost Again, I don't know enough of this. I don't
[3:33:48] Speaker 4: know of this enough of this.
[3:33:50] Speaker 1: Uh, I know, Yeah, you don't. You don't know anything
[3:33:52] Speaker 1: about the Bible about it.
[3:33:54] Speaker 4: But I can almost promise that you're taking it out.
[3:33:56] Speaker 1: Of No, you can't. They lived six hundred years apart.
[3:34:00] Speaker 1: They live six hundred years apart John. The only thing
[3:34:02] Speaker 1: Matthew had from Jeremiah was what he wrote. And we
[3:34:05] Speaker 1: have the writings of Jeremiah, and that quotation did not
[3:34:09] Speaker 1: show up in the writings of Jeremiah. That quotation shows
[3:34:12] Speaker 1: up in.
[3:34:12] Speaker 4: The writings of Zachariah. Did Matthew receive anything divine from Jesus.
[3:34:17] Speaker 1: Jesus doesn't quote anything from the Old Testament that's not.
[3:34:20] Speaker 4: In it, So you're not going to answer the question.
[3:34:22] Speaker 1: The question is irrelevant because Jesus is not quoting, because
[3:34:27] Speaker 1: Jesus is not quoting because Jesus, because Jesus is not
[3:34:30] Speaker 1: quoting anything that doesn't appear in the Old Testament. Everything answer,
[3:34:34] Speaker 1: Everything that Jesus says is in the Old Testament is
[3:34:36] Speaker 1: in the Old Testament, every last word. So Jesus.
[3:34:39] Speaker 4: So did Jesus give any divine power to Matthew.
[3:34:43] Speaker 1: Not that I'm aware of. No, Only he gave the
[3:34:45] Speaker 1: power to his disciples to forgive sins. But that's not
[3:34:50] Speaker 1: anything to do with his ability to quote Jeremiah effectively. No,
[3:34:54] Speaker 1: I'm not lying again, I.
[3:34:56] Speaker 4: Said, and then you named one.
[3:34:58] Speaker 1: What I said was that his ability to forgive since
[3:35:01] Speaker 1: has nothing to do with whether or not he was
[3:35:03] Speaker 1: able to quote Jeremiah correctly. And he wasn't able to
[3:35:05] Speaker 1: quote Jeremiah correctly because we have the text of Jeremiah.
[3:35:08] Speaker 1: We have the same text of Jeremiah that he had,
[3:35:11] Speaker 1: this exact same text that he was quoting from. We
[3:35:14] Speaker 1: possess it's in the Greek septogen and it doesn't show
[3:35:18] Speaker 1: up there. It shows up in Zachariah. That's why in
[3:35:20] Speaker 1: your study Bible. If your study Bible has a cross reference,
[3:35:24] Speaker 1: your cross reference will tell you that it's from Zachariah eleven.
[3:35:26] Speaker 1: Do you have a cross preference in your Bible?
[3:35:32] Speaker 4: That doesn't disprove that, Jeremy, you.
[3:35:36] Speaker 1: Have a cross reference in your Bible? Do you have
[3:35:40] Speaker 1: a cross preference in your Bible? Do you have a
[3:35:42] Speaker 1: cross preference on your Bible? Do you have a cross
[3:35:45] Speaker 1: reference in your Bible? Do you have a cross reference
[3:35:50] Speaker 1: in your Bible? John, you will never steamroll me. As
[3:35:53] Speaker 1: hard as you'll try, you'll never be able to do it. Here,
[3:35:56] Speaker 1: no crying. You can cry when you're off the call.
[3:35:58] Speaker 1: I want to know does your I will have a
[3:36:00] Speaker 1: cross reference? It's a yes or no. It either does
[3:36:06] Speaker 1: or it doesn't. I know this is a difficult question.
[3:36:11] Speaker 1: You don't know what a cross references?
[3:36:12] Speaker 4: Do you?
[3:36:15] Speaker 1: Of course not? Of course he doesn't, do you call?
[3:36:25] Speaker 1: This might be the most dunning Kruger guest I've ever
[3:36:27] Speaker 1: heard in my entire life.
[3:36:30] Speaker 10: Yeah, he's been turning the steamrow since he got up.
[3:36:33] Speaker 4: Well that it does not have a cross reference, but
[3:36:36] Speaker 4: can you will you answer any of my questions.
[3:36:38] Speaker 1: Too, we're still talking about whether or not this verse
[3:36:41] Speaker 1: was actually in appearance. Now it turns out that you're not.
[3:36:44] Speaker 1: You're not capable of like intellectual dialogue on whether or
[3:36:48] Speaker 1: not the actual manuscripts that we possess matches the manuscripts
[3:36:52] Speaker 1: that Matthew possessed. So we can go onto something easier
[3:36:55] Speaker 1: for your, your kindergarten brain to think about. So this
[3:36:59] Speaker 1: is just an easy yes or no? Does God change
[3:37:02] Speaker 1: his mind? Does he have the capability of changing his mind?
[3:37:09] Speaker 4: Can you explain that?
[3:37:12] Speaker 1: You have two problems? The first problem is that you
[3:37:14] Speaker 1: believe in an Omnigod that knows all things, which means,
[3:37:17] Speaker 1: by your definition of God, he can't change his mind.
[3:37:20] Speaker 1: The second problem is the Bible says in at least
[3:37:22] Speaker 1: two different places that God can't change his mind. Numbers
[3:37:25] Speaker 1: twenty three nineteen says God is not a human being.
[3:37:27] Speaker 4: The official line change his mind?
[3:37:29] Speaker 1: Right, Nope, it says God is not a human being. No,
[3:37:32] Speaker 1: he cannot because if you already know what you're going
[3:37:35] Speaker 1: to do, you can't change your mind because then you
[3:37:37] Speaker 1: don't know what you know. So if you already know
[3:37:39] Speaker 1: everything you're ever going to do.
[3:37:42] Speaker 4: If you can fit the Orthodox definition, we'll try this again.
[3:37:45] Speaker 1: If you already know everything you're going to do, then
[3:37:49] Speaker 1: you can't change your mind about what you're going to
[3:37:52] Speaker 1: do because you already know you're going to do it,
[3:37:54] Speaker 1: and you can't be wrong about what you know. Now,
[3:38:00] Speaker 1: I know that went over your brain, so I can
[3:38:02] Speaker 1: just give you the Bible verse numbers twenty three nineteen
[3:38:06] Speaker 1: says it explicitly God is not a human being that
[3:38:08] Speaker 1: he should lie or immortal, that he should change his mind.
[3:38:12] Speaker 1: That's what it says. If I'm the same thing in
[3:38:14] Speaker 1: First Samuel fifteen twenty nine, that he should where he
[3:38:17] Speaker 1: says moreover the God of moreover, the glory moreover, the
[3:38:21] Speaker 1: glory of Israel, will not deceive me. It says, should not, Hey, hey,
[3:38:25] Speaker 1: attention me, pay attention to me, Hey, pay attention John?
[3:38:28] Speaker 4: Did you're almost we're almost through? Or not? Can you
[3:38:31] Speaker 4: stop moving forward and go back to where it said should? Hey? Dummy?
[3:38:35] Speaker 4: Hey dummy?
[3:38:36] Speaker 1: Right? Will try this? I got you muted now. So
[3:38:38] Speaker 1: the word should is a co hordative in Hebrew, and
[3:38:41] Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that he could do it. He's saying
[3:38:44] Speaker 1: he's not a man, that he should change his mind.
[3:38:47] Speaker 1: He is a cordative. It doesn't mean he can. It
[3:38:50] Speaker 1: is literally saying he can't, which is clarified in First
[3:38:53] Speaker 1: Samuel fifteen twenty nine, which says, moreover, the glory of
[3:38:57] Speaker 1: Israel will not deceive or change his mind, for he
[3:39:01] Speaker 1: is not a mortal, that he should change his mind.
[3:39:04] Speaker 1: He's saying mortals do a thing. Mortals changed their minds.
[3:39:09] Speaker 1: God wouldn't do that because he's not a mortal. That's
[3:39:14] Speaker 1: how words work. Do you do you understand now?
[3:39:19] Speaker 4: And that was it Israel saying that.
[3:39:22] Speaker 1: Right, No, why would you think Israel is saying this.
[3:39:29] Speaker 1: I literally did not. It's a quotation, can't change his mind.
[3:39:33] Speaker 1: It's a quotation from First Samuel.
[3:39:36] Speaker 4: Can you just read the word.
[3:39:37] Speaker 1: It's the first First Samuel fifteen twenty nine.
[3:39:40] Speaker 4: Israel said it.
[3:39:41] Speaker 1: I did not again.
[3:39:42] Speaker 4: Read it again, dummy.
[3:39:44] Speaker 1: Moreover, the glory of Israel will not deceive or change
[3:39:48] Speaker 1: his mind. The glory of Israel is Yahweh. That's God.
[3:39:54] Speaker 1: Israel isn't saying this is a quotation from the Book
[3:39:56] Speaker 1: of Samuel. Okay, so the quotation from the Bible Israel
[3:40:05] Speaker 1: is not talking. The author of the Book of Samuel.
[3:40:10] Speaker 4: Is talking about. Let me ask you who it's Israel.
[3:40:13] Speaker 1: That's irrelevant, the nation of Israel or the offspring of Jacob,
[3:40:17] Speaker 1: and they're not Israel. They're not talking in the Bible. John,
[3:40:22] Speaker 1: pay attention, Stay on task. I know staying on task
[3:40:25] Speaker 1: is really hard for you.
[3:40:26] Speaker 4: I know it's.
[3:40:28] Speaker 1: So hard. Israel is the other name for Jacob asshole,
[3:40:31] Speaker 1: which is why the nation of Israel is called Israel.
[3:40:34] Speaker 1: And it's irrelevant to the actual point here. Israel's not talking, you,
[3:40:39] Speaker 1: dumb motherfucker. Israel is not talking. In Samuel. He's already
[3:40:45] Speaker 1: been dead for almost a thousand goddamn years. First Samuel
[3:40:50] Speaker 1: is recording events many hundreds of years after Jacob is dead.
[3:40:56] Speaker 1: He's not talking here. The narrator of Samuel is talking.
[3:41:01] Speaker 1: Until you read the goddamn book. Stop pretending like you
[3:41:05] Speaker 1: know it. I've read the damn thing. Are you ready
[3:41:09] Speaker 1: to have an honest conversation about what it says? Are
[3:41:11] Speaker 1: you ready for that? John, Because I swear to God
[3:41:14] Speaker 1: I have only thirty seconds of patience for your jack
[3:41:16] Speaker 1: assery at this point.
[3:41:18] Speaker 4: If you stop spurging out, yes, I will.
[3:41:20] Speaker 1: Okay, fantastic. Now in first Samuel fifteen.
[3:41:24] Speaker 4: Take a breath real quick, John, Okay, Samuel.
[3:41:26] Speaker 1: Don't tell me what the fucking dude, first Samuel fifteen,
[3:41:30] Speaker 1: who's talking? Who's talking? Samuel, who's talking? Keep going? Who's talking?
[3:41:35] Speaker 4: Samuel fifteen?
[3:41:36] Speaker 1: In the in the book, John, who's talking? You tell me?
[3:41:40] Speaker 1: So you don't know? Is it the nation of Israel?
[3:41:43] Speaker 1: Is it the nation of Israel?
[3:41:46] Speaker 4: You tell me?
[3:41:46] Speaker 1: Is it the nation of Israel?
[3:41:48] Speaker 4: Is it the nation of Israel?
[3:41:49] Speaker 1: I'm asking you?
[3:41:50] Speaker 10: Is it?
[3:41:51] Speaker 4: I'm asking you. You're the expert. It's not.
[3:41:54] Speaker 1: It's not the nation of Israel. Okay. So what you
[3:41:57] Speaker 1: have is a quotation. It says the Glory of Israel,
[3:41:59] Speaker 1: who is YEAHWEH will not deceive or change his mind.
[3:42:03] Speaker 1: That means God, That means God God fifteen twenty nine.
[3:42:08] Speaker 1: I've said it one hundred times already.
[3:42:10] Speaker 4: Yeah, but you spurg out so much they can't understand you.
[3:42:13] Speaker 1: No, I do not.
[3:42:14] Speaker 4: And also the Glory of Israel will not lie or
[3:42:17] Speaker 4: have regret for glory, for he is not a man
[3:42:21] Speaker 4: that have should that he should have regret. So it
[3:42:24] Speaker 4: doesn't say change his mind.
[3:42:26] Speaker 1: It does because the Hebrew word for regret and change
[3:42:29] Speaker 1: mind is the same thing. It's the colm in Hebrew,
[3:42:31] Speaker 1: and it's exact same word means. That's why my translations,
[3:42:35] Speaker 1: that's why my translation says regret.
[3:42:38] Speaker 4: If Hebrew has a word for regret.
[3:42:40] Speaker 1: Right, what is it? What's the Hebrew word for regret?
[3:42:42] Speaker 4: I don't know offhand?
[3:42:43] Speaker 1: But how could you know?
[3:42:46] Speaker 4: How could you know Hebrew has that word for If
[3:42:48] Speaker 4: Hebrew doesn't, what's the word for regret? I'd be very
[3:42:51] Speaker 4: I just told you what it was.
[3:42:52] Speaker 1: What was it? Were you listening?
[3:42:53] Speaker 4: I don't speak Hebrew.
[3:42:54] Speaker 1: Were you listening? I told you what it was? Did
[3:42:56] Speaker 1: you hear it? Did you hear it?
[3:42:57] Speaker 4: Well? Bible? What was this again? Your life?
[3:43:01] Speaker 1: What was the word? What was the words?
[3:43:03] Speaker 6: Caught?
[3:43:03] Speaker 1: What was the word?
[3:43:04] Speaker 6: John?
[3:43:05] Speaker 1: Okay, okay, I'll tell you since you're not, since you're
[3:43:09] Speaker 1: not grown enough to actually pay attention.
[3:43:11] Speaker 4: So I'm gonna show you.
[3:43:13] Speaker 1: In the English and in the Hebrew why you're wrong.
[3:43:16] Speaker 1: And I'm not gonna lower my voice. John, you can
[3:43:17] Speaker 1: shut the fuck up. I don't care if I don't
[3:43:20] Speaker 1: great regrets, so you can shut the fuck Okay. So
[3:43:23] Speaker 1: here's what's gonna happen. I'm gonna read it to you,
[3:43:25] Speaker 1: and you're gonna shut the fuck up for the entire time.
[3:43:27] Speaker 1: You're not gonna say another goddamn word. And Tom finished
[3:43:30] Speaker 1: First Samuel fifteen twenty nine says. Moreover, the glory of
[3:43:33] Speaker 1: Israel will not deceive or change his mind. Change his
[3:43:36] Speaker 1: mind is translated as regret in your translation, because it
[3:43:39] Speaker 1: means the same thing in Hebrew. The calm in Hebrew
[3:43:43] Speaker 1: means to change your mind or regret something. You can't
[3:43:46] Speaker 1: regret something unless you're changing your mind. That's why it's
[3:43:49] Speaker 1: literally the same thing. That's why it'll say the same thing.
[3:43:53] Speaker 1: If you just go in, let me grab it, let
[3:43:56] Speaker 1: me grab it. Hold on, we're gonna go to Exus
[3:43:59] Speaker 1: thirty two for ten says the same thing. I regret
[3:44:04] Speaker 1: that I made Saul king for his I'm sorry. That's
[3:44:06] Speaker 1: fifteen eleven. I'll try this again thirty two. Oh what there?
[3:44:11] Speaker 1: Me go get the exos up there, okay, Exceus thirty
[3:44:14] Speaker 1: two to fourteen. The Lord changed his mind about the
[3:44:17] Speaker 1: disaster that he planned to bring upon his people, changed
[3:44:20] Speaker 1: his mind, and the underlying Hebrew text is the same word.
[3:44:23] Speaker 1: It's in the calm in Hebrew. It's in the passive
[3:44:26] Speaker 1: stem it. It's the same Hebrew word. Now, as it
[3:44:30] Speaker 1: turns out, I can go to whatever dumb translations you're using.
[3:44:33] Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe the NIV, which I would believe
[3:44:36] Speaker 1: since you've never read the Bible, it will say relent.
[3:44:40] Speaker 23: Oh, the Lord relented. Yeah, why did he relent? Because
[3:44:43] Speaker 23: it's the same goddamn word. It means the same thing. Relent,
[3:44:46] Speaker 23: to change your mind, to repent, it all means the
[3:44:49] Speaker 23: same thing. Go to the net Bible. Net Bible's gonna
[3:44:51] Speaker 23: say the same thing, The Lord relented. Let's see, what
[3:44:55] Speaker 23: about the NASB The Lord relented.
[3:45:00] Speaker 1: Probably. I bet you're in the King James. I bet
[3:45:02] Speaker 1: you still got your Walmart ten dollars King James version
[3:45:05] Speaker 1: that someone gifted to you. The Lord repented, Yes, Exus
[3:45:09] Speaker 1: thirty two to fourteen says the Lord repented, And you'll
[3:45:11] Speaker 1: never guess it's the same word. It's the same word.
[3:45:14] Speaker 1: Let's go to Exus thirty two fourteen. I'm going to
[3:45:19] Speaker 1: show you in the Hebrew text word it's literally the
[3:45:22] Speaker 1: same word. Actual thirty two to fourteen. Let's see, says
[3:45:27] Speaker 1: ye nachem, which means na coom. That the root word
[3:45:30] Speaker 1: is nacom. That's what you're seeing right there. That means
[3:45:33] Speaker 1: to relent. It means to change your mind. It means
[3:45:36] Speaker 1: to change your ways, it means to regret. It's used
[3:45:41] Speaker 1: in the same way. The exact same word. You'll find
[3:45:44] Speaker 1: out shows up exactly where I told you it was
[3:45:47] Speaker 1: going to show up. It's going to show up in
[3:45:50] Speaker 1: First Samuel fifteen twenty nine, and I'll show you the
[3:45:54] Speaker 1: same word, and First Samuel fifteen twenty nine means the
[3:45:58] Speaker 1: same thing. The glory of Israel will not lie or what. Yeah,
[3:46:03] Speaker 1: that same relent. Weird, it's the same Hebrew word. It's
[3:46:09] Speaker 1: almost like you weren't even trying to pay attention to
[3:46:12] Speaker 1: see how this was a contradiction. So I'll spell it
[3:46:16] Speaker 1: out for you. The Bible says in number twenty three
[3:46:19] Speaker 1: nineteen and First Samuel fifteen twenty nine that God will
[3:46:22] Speaker 1: not relent, which also means to change your mind. It
[3:46:25] Speaker 1: also says that he does change his mind in Exodus
[3:46:30] Speaker 1: thirty two fourteen, which we literally just rent. It says
[3:46:33] Speaker 1: the same thing in Genesis chapter six. The reality is
[3:46:38] Speaker 1: john that the Bible says a contradiction, namely that God
[3:46:42] Speaker 1: can't repent and that God does repent. Do you see
[3:46:46] Speaker 1: the problem, John.
[3:46:49] Speaker 4: I saw it right off the rip and you said,
[3:46:51] Speaker 4: it's the same word here and it says regret. And
[3:46:53] Speaker 4: then you're like, oh, uh, which is the same noise
[3:46:57] Speaker 4: you make when you go down on trans women.
[3:46:59] Speaker 1: Oh you're not ready to so you're not ready to begin,
[3:47:02] Speaker 1: you're not ready to be an adult.
[3:47:03] Speaker 4: Change his mind? You said he can't change his mind,
[3:47:05] Speaker 4: and it clearly says regret.
[3:47:07] Speaker 1: So that's what that means.
[3:47:08] Speaker 4: Understand what your point is.
[3:47:10] Speaker 1: We'll try this again, John, all right, so we'll try
[3:47:12] Speaker 1: this really good.
[3:47:13] Speaker 4: Once he changed his mind.
[3:47:14] Speaker 1: It's the same. It's the same Hebrew word.
[3:47:16] Speaker 4: That's not what it means.
[3:47:17] Speaker 1: It is what it means. Yes, no, no, no, Yeah.
[3:47:22] Speaker 4: You're wrong in Hebrew. You're saying in Hebrew, they would
[3:47:25] Speaker 4: say I regret, and they wouldn't say I changed my mind.
[3:47:29] Speaker 4: Are you're saying? There's no phrase.
[3:47:30] Speaker 1: It's the same Hebrew, the same Hebrew word.
[3:47:33] Speaker 4: Oh no, no, no, no, change my mind is three
[3:47:36] Speaker 4: words in English regret.
[3:47:39] Speaker 1: It's not three words in Hebrew.
[3:47:40] Speaker 4: Three words in Hebrew for change my mind.
[3:47:43] Speaker 1: It's not no, because that's not true.
[3:47:46] Speaker 4: That's not how Hebrew.
[3:47:47] Speaker 1: That's not how Hebrew Hebrew. That's not how Hebrew words
[3:47:51] Speaker 1: are contract.
[3:47:52] Speaker 4: I don't understand it. My brain, my brain can't comprehend
[3:47:56] Speaker 4: what changed my mind.
[3:47:58] Speaker 1: Means okay, so well in English's three words, because in
[3:48:02] Speaker 1: Hebrew they conjugate the verbs differently. I know this is
[3:48:05] Speaker 1: difficult for your smooth brain, so I'll just put it
[3:48:07] Speaker 1: on the screen even though you can't see it. You
[3:48:10] Speaker 1: can watch this back later and maybe learn something. So
[3:48:12] Speaker 1: the root word nacom means lots of things. It means
[3:48:16] Speaker 1: to repent, it means to relent, it means to be sorry.
[3:48:19] Speaker 1: It also gets translated to mean change his mind, or
[3:48:23] Speaker 1: it can even be used to say console. There's lots
[3:48:26] Speaker 1: of different ways to use this particular word. And you
[3:48:28] Speaker 1: know what, every time you conjugate it. Here's a fun conjugation.
[3:48:33] Speaker 1: I can't highlight it. I don't know why. I won't
[3:48:34] Speaker 1: let me highlight it. Let me find a highlight a
[3:48:37] Speaker 1: conjugation I can actually highlight. Okay, I guess I can't
[3:48:40] Speaker 1: highlight conjugations on this website anyways. By changing the way
[3:48:45] Speaker 1: you conjugate the word, by adding prefixes and suffixes to
[3:48:48] Speaker 1: the same word, it's still one word. It is now conjugated.
[3:48:52] Speaker 1: So if you would say I relent, or I change,
[3:48:57] Speaker 1: or I change my mind, it would still all be
[3:49:00] Speaker 1: one word. All you would have to do is add
[3:49:02] Speaker 1: the appropriate prefix to the beginning of the word, and
[3:49:06] Speaker 1: now it's a conjugated word. Because in English we conjugate
[3:49:10] Speaker 1: verbs by adding words next to our verbs. Sometimes they
[3:49:14] Speaker 1: don't do that in Hebrew, they don't add extra words
[3:49:17] Speaker 1: into the sentence to do their conjugations. In fact, a
[3:49:20] Speaker 1: lot of languages don't do it. If you studied fuck French,
[3:49:23] Speaker 1: or if you studied Spanish or Latin or Greek, you
[3:49:27] Speaker 1: would find that these languages do a lot of the
[3:49:29] Speaker 1: same shit. You conjugate words. And even in English we
[3:49:32] Speaker 1: do some same word conjugation. So the fact remains. And
[3:49:37] Speaker 1: even just a simple changed mind right there in the
[3:49:41] Speaker 1: definition of the word, it means you can change your mind.
[3:49:43] Speaker 1: It means you can relent, you can be sorry, you
[3:49:46] Speaker 1: can comfort. There's a semantic range to the word. Now, John,
[3:49:49] Speaker 1: here's the deal. You're way too dumb for this conversation.
[3:49:52] Speaker 1: I've wasted way too much of my time yelling at you.
[3:49:55] Speaker 1: Since you can't be tasked with having adult conversation so
[3:50:00] Speaker 1: I want to cut it off here. There's no hope
[3:50:02] Speaker 1: for you. I suspect that you shouldn't be involved in society,
[3:50:07] Speaker 1: like I hope you don't talk to children. I hope
[3:50:09] Speaker 1: that you're not married, and that you don't live with
[3:50:12] Speaker 1: other people, because you are literally the worst conceivable guest
[3:50:15] Speaker 1: I've ever had on this show. And I can't imagine
[3:50:20] Speaker 1: somebody ever having to deal with you in real life. Okay,
[3:50:25] Speaker 1: and we're through with that.
[3:50:28] Speaker 10: Well, that was a whole lot of I know who
[3:50:31] Speaker 10: you've voted for, let's just put it that way.
[3:50:34] Speaker 1: Imagine being that level of a jackass. I've never seen
[3:50:37] Speaker 1: that in real life. I know they exist, but you
[3:50:39] Speaker 1: typically only meet them on the internet.
[3:50:42] Speaker 10: Sadly, I grew up around conservatives, so I've seen it plenty.
[3:50:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, and he's not gonna learn a single thing from
[3:50:49] Speaker 1: this conversation. Well, listen, guys, Sorry, what are you gonna say? Do? Golden?
[3:50:56] Speaker 10: So Hanji just sent me something. She just said, may
[3:51:00] Speaker 10: a copy of the new tos.
[3:51:02] Speaker 1: Oh for the talk.
[3:51:05] Speaker 10: You know it's not good for us.
[3:51:08] Speaker 1: Oh shit, what's the new terms?
[3:51:11] Speaker 10: So I'll go if you want to go ahead and
[3:51:13] Speaker 10: read it. Just says they can demonetize or even I think,
[3:51:19] Speaker 10: take away the live access if you're using divisive or
[3:51:24] Speaker 10: misleading behavior. Content that is divisive or misleading and could
[3:51:29] Speaker 10: cause moderate harm to individuals or society is not eligible
[3:51:32] Speaker 10: for monetization. For example, we may demonetize content that disparages
[3:51:38] Speaker 10: attacks a religion, religious figure, or religious precept with hateful
[3:51:45] Speaker 10: generalizations that could cause moderate harm related to violence, content
[3:51:49] Speaker 10: that this desecrates religious artifacts or literatures, content that uses stereotypes, insinuation,
[3:51:56] Speaker 10: or indirect statements that may implicitly demean protective groups. And
[3:52:01] Speaker 10: conspiracy theories that claim certain events or situations are carried
[3:52:05] Speaker 10: out by covert powerful groups.
[3:52:07] Speaker 1: I guess we'll see all on YouTube then.
[3:52:10] Speaker 17: Yeah.
[3:52:11] Speaker 10: I've been thinking about migrating for a while anyway.
[3:52:14] Speaker 1: So yeah, so here's what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
[3:52:20] Speaker 1: read through the superchats, and then if we have time
[3:52:22] Speaker 1: left over for a guest, which we might, then I'll
[3:52:24] Speaker 1: get into the guest up in here. But I don't
[3:52:26] Speaker 1: want to leave all the superchats for the end and
[3:52:28] Speaker 1: then not get to some of them. So I really
[3:52:32] Speaker 1: want to make sure everyone gets to their superchats read,
[3:52:34] Speaker 1: you know, because they're here watching They spent their hard
[3:52:36] Speaker 1: money on a super chat, and I want to make sure
[3:52:37] Speaker 1: they get it. Aaron says. A caller's thesis was believing
[3:52:42] Speaker 1: in God makes society behave better. So, Aaron, what we
[3:52:47] Speaker 1: learned from the caller we just hung up with was
[3:52:49] Speaker 1: that the prior caller saying that religion makes you behave
[3:52:51] Speaker 1: better doesn't work, because what we just learned from John
[3:52:55] Speaker 1: is that your religion didn't. It can't fix you from
[3:52:58] Speaker 1: being an unbearable, un educated asshole. But he says, but
[3:53:02] Speaker 1: then contended that religion doesn't reduce ideological violence. It doesn't. Actually, Aaron,
[3:53:07] Speaker 1: you're right. He did say that I should have pounced
[3:53:09] Speaker 1: on it, and I didn't. But you're right. He did say
[3:53:11] Speaker 1: that he contradicted himself in the same breath. It doesn't
[3:53:14] Speaker 1: reduce violence, it doesn't, Chip, says Doug. Damit stop saying.
[3:53:19] Speaker 1: Schmidler was an atheist Christians. He was a Catholic and
[3:53:21] Speaker 1: secretly supported by the Vatican. So I had mixed feelings
[3:53:25] Speaker 1: on his religious beliefs because it seems like he evolved
[3:53:28] Speaker 1: like earlier on he seemed to be of the Christian variety,
[3:53:32] Speaker 1: but later on in his life he did right in
[3:53:35] Speaker 1: a sense that made it seem like he thought religious
[3:53:39] Speaker 1: people were less intelligent, and like he seemed like he
[3:53:43] Speaker 1: was going into more of a deistic mindset towards the
[3:53:46] Speaker 1: end of his life. So I think it's hard to
[3:53:48] Speaker 1: pin down his specific feelings on religion because they changed.
[3:53:52] Speaker 1: But one thing I do know is he never espoused
[3:53:54] Speaker 1: to be an atheist. That never seemed to be the case.
[3:53:58] Speaker 1: Mister Morpheus, good to see again, he says, I've come
[3:54:01] Speaker 1: to the conclusion religious people don't care what is true.
[3:54:03] Speaker 1: They don't. We just witness that with John. They care
[3:54:06] Speaker 1: about what they think is useful, not true one hundred percent.
[3:54:10] Speaker 1: That's why they go to bullshit arguments like, well, America
[3:54:12] Speaker 1: is a Christian nation, therefore Christianity true. Not how that works?
[3:54:16] Speaker 1: And Chip come in again, thank you so much for
[3:54:18] Speaker 1: the ten dollar superjet, since the create Crusades, the Inquisition burning,
[3:54:21] Speaker 1: which is countless wars in Europe, one hundred million indigenous
[3:54:25] Speaker 1: killed in the conquest of the New World, trans alatic
[3:54:28] Speaker 1: slave trade. I could continue, Chip, this is the thank
[3:54:33] Speaker 1: you for the reinforcement. This is the point I was
[3:54:34] Speaker 1: trying to make with that. The Hopscotch Caller previously, which
[3:54:38] Speaker 1: is that if you just look at the net benefit
[3:54:43] Speaker 1: of the religions, they don't seem most of them aren't
[3:54:46] Speaker 1: net benefits. Are their benefits, sure, I'm sure they are,
[3:54:50] Speaker 1: but they seem to be net negatives. And DJ Wilkins,
[3:54:54] Speaker 1: thank you for the ten dollar superjet, says writing a
[3:54:56] Speaker 1: book about forgiveness with any animal or human sacrifice of
[3:54:59] Speaker 1: any kind, it's going to be called huge grace, and
[3:55:03] Speaker 1: you know it, really it really is the best kind.
[3:55:08] Speaker 10: Well, here you go.
[3:55:11] Speaker 1: This is my life now, Dugald, this is my life.
[3:55:13] Speaker 1: This is what we've become.
[3:55:15] Speaker 10: I don't know that I care for this place we've
[3:55:17] Speaker 10: come to.
[3:55:19] Speaker 1: Well, thank you, DJ Wilkins. I'll be happy to promote
[3:55:23] Speaker 1: your book when it's out with amazing grace. And Eric
[3:55:27] Speaker 1: says truth is subordinate to utility is pure fascism. Actually
[3:55:31] Speaker 1: I agree. I think the thing that has the most
[3:55:34] Speaker 1: utility in life is truth. Like, if we're going to
[3:55:37] Speaker 1: talk about utility being meaningful, the thing that I think is,
[3:55:43] Speaker 1: oh shit, just so many supertests. The thing that is
[3:55:45] Speaker 1: the most utility is knowing what's true. And Kyle, thank
[3:55:51] Speaker 1: you for the twenty dollars supertest, says truth is subjectable.
[3:55:54] Speaker 1: I think you mean subjective of your subjectable. I'll have
[3:55:58] Speaker 1: to read it. It says truth is subjective to your geographical location.
[3:56:04] Speaker 1: Maybe religion stops the pursuit of knowledge, religion stops the
[3:56:07] Speaker 1: pursuit of science. Well, these are true. We wouldn't have
[3:56:09] Speaker 1: curses or diseases if we all continue to believe in God.
[3:56:15] Speaker 1: The placebo effect. I'm with you, Kyle, and actually, Kyle,
[3:56:17] Speaker 1: when I was married, we were told, okay, so my
[3:56:25] Speaker 1: ex is Egyptian, and by Egyptian, I mean she comes
[3:56:28] Speaker 1: from full, full on immigrant Egyptians, like not mixed. And
[3:56:33] Speaker 1: when when she got pregnant, we were told not to
[3:56:35] Speaker 1: put pregnancy pictures on Facebook because of the evil eye,
[3:56:40] Speaker 1: because jealous onlookers would cast the evil eye upon her
[3:56:44] Speaker 1: because she's pregnant and could curse the birth. That's a
[3:56:47] Speaker 1: crazy thing. People still believe in. People believe in evil eyes.
[3:56:51] Speaker 1: So there's that's what are you gonna do?
[3:56:58] Speaker 10: Nothing you can do other than just talking about it
[3:57:00] Speaker 10: like we do.
[3:57:01] Speaker 1: That's what we're here for. Spider, thank you for the
[3:57:04] Speaker 1: time that I was super gen says love what you do, Bro.
[3:57:06] Speaker 1: Can you talk a little about speaking in tongues and
[3:57:08] Speaker 1: its origins. I heard Paula White going nuts on stage
[3:57:11] Speaker 1: ones and it was bonkers. So speaking of tongues didn't
[3:57:15] Speaker 1: originate with the Christians. They've been doing it for thousands
[3:57:18] Speaker 1: of years. Certain sects of Hinduism have been doing it
[3:57:21] Speaker 1: for a long time. They don't call it speaking tongues.
[3:57:24] Speaker 1: They would just call it like an ecstatic expression. But
[3:57:26] Speaker 1: people have been doing it for a long time. And
[3:57:28] Speaker 1: reality is, we've done studies on it, and what they've
[3:57:30] Speaker 1: discovered is that people who are speaking in tongues, like
[3:57:34] Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine percent of the time are only
[3:57:36] Speaker 1: using syllables that are native to languages they know. So like,
[3:57:42] Speaker 1: if you know English, then the syllables that you're stringing
[3:57:45] Speaker 1: together randomly are going to be English syllables, Like you're
[3:57:48] Speaker 1: not going to include a bunch of Arabic syllables when
[3:57:52] Speaker 1: an English speaker speaks in tongues. And I think that's
[3:57:54] Speaker 1: proof that your brain is developing the language. Your brain
[3:57:58] Speaker 1: is sticking all these words together in a random order.
[3:58:01] Speaker 1: It's not coming from God. And Crimson Wolf says, did
[3:58:04] Speaker 1: that one caller say God wrote his name in a
[3:58:07] Speaker 1: death note? Did he say that? Did I miss that.
[3:58:15] Speaker 10: That's some I didn't hear that. But if that's not crazy.
[3:58:20] Speaker 1: At all, he could have said it and I missed it.
[3:58:22] Speaker 1: But if he said that, I agree with Dougall that
[3:58:24] Speaker 1: that's insane. But he he was also psychotic.
[3:58:28] Speaker 10: So there's that.
[3:58:30] Speaker 1: Johnny Cakes thank you for the super Test, says there's
[3:58:32] Speaker 1: a resurgence of Christianity on these bro podcasts. I know
[3:58:36] Speaker 1: I've seen that. Can you do a super debate with
[3:58:39] Speaker 1: someone like Jay Dyer or west Huff so that this
[3:58:43] Speaker 1: mind virus doesn't become epidemic? So, I mean Wes doesn't
[3:58:49] Speaker 1: do debates first of all, so that's not going to happen.
[3:58:53] Speaker 1: And Jay Dyer doesn't do debates outside of his own show,
[3:58:56] Speaker 1: Like you won't see Jay Dyer debating on modern day debates,
[3:58:59] Speaker 1: So he's not going to be doing a debate like
[3:59:01] Speaker 1: on my stream. Like he's doing the same thing I'm doing.
[3:59:04] Speaker 1: He's like, I got a platform, I'm going to say
[3:59:05] Speaker 1: the stuff that I believe in. Now. Jay Dyer has
[3:59:08] Speaker 1: a lot of right wing Christian nationalists youth that follow him,
[3:59:13] Speaker 1: And the reason why Christian nationalism and Jay Dyer and
[3:59:16] Speaker 1: people like that are getting popular is because there's a
[3:59:19] Speaker 1: high percentage of young men that feel disenfranchised and they're
[3:59:23] Speaker 1: in cells. They can't get laid, and they're fucking mad
[3:59:26] Speaker 1: and they're pent up. And this shouldn't be the way
[3:59:28] Speaker 1: it is. I shouldn't be out here at age twenty
[3:59:31] Speaker 1: five and not getting laid. I'm so upset.
[3:59:35] Speaker 23: And Christianity, Yeah, women.
[3:59:38] Speaker 1: Should serve us. They should be in the kitchen doing
[3:59:40] Speaker 1: our bidding. They should They shouldn't be out here sleeping
[3:59:43] Speaker 1: with that handsome hunk over there with all the muscles.
[3:59:46] Speaker 1: We should force them into the kitchen and obey my word.
[3:59:50] Speaker 1: And that's why Christianity is so popular among these really
[3:59:53] Speaker 1: dumb in cell bros right now, is because they see
[3:59:57] Speaker 1: it as a vehicle to it's to get what they
[4:00:01] Speaker 1: want that they're not actually getting out of out of life.
[4:00:04] Speaker 1: That's how that's my interpretation of it.
[4:00:07] Speaker 10: Uh, people get what they want and that's making them mad.
[4:00:10] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they hate the fact that women have autonomy
[4:00:15] Speaker 1: and they're making more money and they don't fucking need
[4:00:17] Speaker 1: men anymore. Uh, They're they're crying their eyes out at
[4:00:21] Speaker 1: night that the patriarchy is falling. And good I hope
[4:00:24] Speaker 1: they cry those those sweet sweet tears of failed patriarchy
[4:00:28] Speaker 1: all night long. But they're they're in cell. Dream of
[4:00:33] Speaker 1: a Christian nation is not going to come true. Pal says.
[4:00:37] Speaker 1: The second they start describing evolution as survival of the
[4:00:41] Speaker 1: fittest shows they are more than likely now they know
[4:00:44] Speaker 1: fuck all about it. Yeah, I mean, Pal, when you're
[4:00:48] Speaker 1: when you don't know things, you have to reach to
[4:00:51] Speaker 1: the most accessible idea that is about that thing. And
[4:00:55] Speaker 1: I think that gets to your point. When people don't
[4:00:58] Speaker 1: know something like they don't know evolution. What's a phrase
[4:01:01] Speaker 1: that I heard once related to evolution, survival of the fittest? Right,
[4:01:04] Speaker 1: they just go to whatever they can, you know, and
[4:01:08] Speaker 1: crucifix me says fact. I believe God is true, so
[4:01:11] Speaker 1: it's fact based. Yeah, that's what it is. I believe it,
[4:01:14] Speaker 1: therefore it must be true, right gene x Christian play
[4:01:20] Speaker 1: on gen x. I don't know, but thank you for
[4:01:22] Speaker 1: the sixty one six is. I think it's great you
[4:01:24] Speaker 1: were able to do this more And I'm enjoying sifting
[4:01:27] Speaker 1: through code while I hear you sift through bad arguments today,
[4:01:30] Speaker 1: Well shit, that's not a bad thing to do. And
[4:01:33] Speaker 1: I was coding all day long. I was listening to
[4:01:35] Speaker 1: a lot of debates as well. So I'm glad that
[4:01:37] Speaker 1: I can bring you some form of entertainment. And Matt,
[4:01:41] Speaker 1: my friend, thank you for the ten dollars supertest says,
[4:01:43] Speaker 1: I derive utility from my belief that believing in bull
[4:01:45] Speaker 1: crap for the sake of a professed utility has no utility. Yes, exactly,
[4:01:50] Speaker 1: that's exactly what I'm saying. Qed praise though, what's qed mean? Shit,
[4:01:56] Speaker 1: I don't know that one.
[4:01:57] Speaker 10: I used to know this ron.
[4:02:04] Speaker 1: Abbreviation from Latin that means quad air at demonstratum, which
[4:02:11] Speaker 1: means which was to be demonstrated. Oh, there we go.
[4:02:15] Speaker 1: I didn't know that one. That's a good flang. Okay,
[4:02:17] Speaker 1: So qed means which has been or was to be
[4:02:21] Speaker 1: demonstrated or yet to be shown. Uh so, interesting point, Matt.
[4:02:26] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. But we agree the most utility you
[4:02:29] Speaker 1: can have is believing in true things. That's my personal opinion.
[4:02:34] Speaker 1: Adam says, Orthodox Judaism rejects the apocrypha, yet derives Hanukkah
[4:02:38] Speaker 1: from it, another instance of delightful incoherence. So, Adam, this
[4:02:42] Speaker 1: is a really good point. We haven't talked about this
[4:02:44] Speaker 1: much there's a lot of traditional Orthodox Judaism that is
[4:02:49] Speaker 1: rooted in the Book of Maccabee's or the books of Maccabee's,
[4:02:54] Speaker 1: and it's weird that they reject them as authoritative. Now,
[4:02:58] Speaker 1: a lot of them might read them and say that
[4:03:00] Speaker 1: they are their history, right, but they would they would
[4:03:05] Speaker 1: reject them as scripture. So I can get that because
[4:03:08] Speaker 1: they don't believe the Talmut is scripture either, right, But
[4:03:12] Speaker 1: it is weird that they have such a negative opinion
[4:03:15] Speaker 1: of the Maccabees. I'd be curious to know why that
[4:03:19] Speaker 1: is the case, because of all the books of the
[4:03:21] Speaker 1: apocrypha that they would reject as canonical, Macabee seems like
[4:03:26] Speaker 1: that would be the one that they would want to
[4:03:27] Speaker 1: be canonical. It's a history of their people anyways, Grace,
[4:03:31] Speaker 1: So have you considered doing a bingo card where the
[4:03:33] Speaker 1: theist gets a prize if they're the person to cause
[4:03:36] Speaker 1: a bingo. That's not a bad idea. I can play
[4:03:39] Speaker 1: bingo with the guests where if the guess completes a
[4:03:44] Speaker 1: bingo sequence, they get a prize. Maybe I don't. We'll
[4:03:49] Speaker 1: see about that. I don't know about that. It's an
[4:03:50] Speaker 1: interesting idea though. Nonetheless, Miko says Elizabeth, by the huge
[4:03:54] Speaker 1: grace of God, Queen of the United Kingdom, Phil is
[4:03:56] Speaker 1: her husband.
[4:04:01] Speaker 10: We can't explain what we already figured out.
[4:04:04] Speaker 1: We do know the joke now, but thank you, thank
[4:04:06] Speaker 1: you for the explanation of the joke. We did figure
[4:04:08] Speaker 1: it out eventually. Unfortunately we didn't get your super chat
[4:04:12] Speaker 1: in time. Thank you for that though, for the clarification helping.
[4:04:14] Speaker 1: Mega deconstruct says, thanks for showing that God's promises are
[4:04:18] Speaker 1: as real as trumps. Doug and Sharon are enjoying the
[4:04:20] Speaker 1: pleasing aroma of barbecued Christians during the week. Absolutely, it's
[4:04:25] Speaker 1: a pleasing aroma. I'm glad that you're enjoying it. I
[4:04:28] Speaker 1: appreciate you for being here and watching the channel supporting
[4:04:31] Speaker 1: as well. And Krispy Heretic says, God came to me
[4:04:34] Speaker 1: in a dream and whispered unto me, I'm not real.
[4:04:37] Speaker 1: I can't hang along today, but wanted to buy Doug
[4:04:40] Speaker 1: a beer and say thank you justin well, thank you
[4:04:42] Speaker 1: so much. Doug really appreciates that. Doug, we'll definitely take
[4:04:45] Speaker 1: care of that and get a beer with it. And
[4:04:50] Speaker 1: if you believe God is real, because somebody whispered in
[4:04:52] Speaker 1: your ear. You need checked out. You know that crispy
[4:04:56] Speaker 1: and that's well, that's why you wrote the chat. But yeah,
[4:04:58] Speaker 1: psychosis is not evidence of God. Onyx come in again,
[4:05:02] Speaker 1: says I'm an artist. I would do dug art for free.
[4:05:05] Speaker 1: I Daniel in the Discord. I think you mean I'm
[4:05:09] Speaker 1: Daniel in the Discord. Don't worry about my profile picture
[4:05:12] Speaker 1: that's from my early phase. I'm sure you do great artwork.
[4:05:17] Speaker 1: Here's my impression to my impression, Onyx. I've seen a
[4:05:21] Speaker 1: lot of people's free artwork, and in my opinion, it's
[4:05:25] Speaker 1: never as good as what the artist thinks. So I
[4:05:29] Speaker 1: never I almost never use people's artworks too, because if
[4:05:32] Speaker 1: I use somebody else's artwork, then other people get mad
[4:05:35] Speaker 1: that I don't use their artwork. And the reality is
[4:05:38] Speaker 1: I pick people's artwork that I think is good and
[4:05:41] Speaker 1: maybe shit, maybe my opinion is not good. The reality
[4:05:44] Speaker 1: is I only trust like two people with Channel artwork,
[4:05:50] Speaker 1: and one of them is Noah's Lyons eight Dead Babies
[4:05:54] Speaker 1: on the Arc. She's probably number one. Anything she designs,
[4:05:56] Speaker 1: I love it right, So I love and a pre
[4:06:00] Speaker 1: that you guys want to share artwork for the Channel,
[4:06:02] Speaker 1: just know that while it may be appealing to you,
[4:06:05] Speaker 1: it might not be appealing to everybody. That's why they
[4:06:07] Speaker 1: say art is subjective, which means when I'm looking for
[4:06:11] Speaker 1: artwork for the Channel, I typically go and do it myself,
[4:06:14] Speaker 1: or I ask someone that has already been on my
[4:06:16] Speaker 1: list of approved artists. But Kenneth says, if God was loved,
[4:06:21] Speaker 1: then he should then he should have sent Jesus to
[4:06:24] Speaker 1: die for us right after original sin. That way, my
[4:06:27] Speaker 1: ancestors who died before slavery and colonialism, which introduced Christianity
[4:06:31] Speaker 1: to Africans, would be saved. So that's a good point.
[4:06:37] Speaker 1: If Jesus was the answer to the sin, if he
[4:06:40] Speaker 1: was the answer to all the nonsense, why did he
[4:06:43] Speaker 1: wait four thousand years? What the fuck you're waiting for?
[4:06:45] Speaker 1: Do it now? Do it right now, don't wait all
[4:06:49] Speaker 1: that time. That's crazy. And if that's the case, if
[4:06:54] Speaker 1: then what happens to the four thousand years of people
[4:06:57] Speaker 1: that came before Jesus? Are they not saved? And they'll say,
[4:06:59] Speaker 1: obviously they were saved, but by different laws. But if
[4:07:01] Speaker 1: they were saved by different laws, meaning all he had
[4:07:03] Speaker 1: to do is like be a relatively decent human being,
[4:07:06] Speaker 1: then shit, we don't need Jesus. Jesus is irrelevant, He's useless.
[4:07:12] Speaker 1: Jonathan says, better than pretending to know. If we are
[4:07:16] Speaker 1: Christian nation, we are cooked. Yeah, actually we're First of all,
[4:07:21] Speaker 1: we're not. But if they do find a way to
[4:07:23] Speaker 1: turn this into some kind of a theocracy, we are
[4:07:26] Speaker 1: fucking cooked. We're in trouble. Mcduben says, or mcdubbin.
[4:07:31] Speaker 12: Says, Boo John boo, Yeah, I agree, John.
[4:07:35] Speaker 1: John's not good. All right, let me grab I don't
[4:07:38] Speaker 1: want to get too far on some of those super
[4:07:40] Speaker 1: chats because I've got more on the other stream that
[4:07:43] Speaker 1: i want to pull in from before John came. I'm
[4:07:44] Speaker 1: gonna read all John's at once, because I think you
[4:07:47] Speaker 1: guys had a lot to say about John. Today's d
[4:07:50] Speaker 1: Z Bingo tries to talk over justin breaks morality to
[4:07:53] Speaker 1: cram God in its place. I'm going to have to
[4:07:55] Speaker 1: do more research on that runs from question that's about
[4:07:58] Speaker 1: that's about right? Yeah. Uh. Jim Nasty says, Joe has
[4:08:05] Speaker 1: been caught on other lives defending child essay, are you serious, Oh, bald,
[4:08:11] Speaker 1: Joe has been doing that? Oh why why does he
[4:08:16] Speaker 1: do that? If if you guys know of that video,
[4:08:20] Speaker 1: send it to me. I want to watch it because
[4:08:22] Speaker 1: I'll definitely clip that part and post it with the
[4:08:24] Speaker 1: other clips we have of him on YouTube. Design says
[4:08:28] Speaker 1: it's like there's no slavers in heaven. Uh, they do
[4:08:31] Speaker 1: not want to go.
[4:08:33] Speaker 2: Wait what what?
[4:08:37] Speaker 1: Design? I don't know my impression that most people who
[4:08:40] Speaker 1: own slaves want to go to heaven. In fact, they
[4:08:42] Speaker 1: like there were Christians, you know what I mean? Design,
[4:08:45] Speaker 1: I love you, buddy, but that one might be over
[4:08:47] Speaker 1: my head. Ahood says. The slavery copes are always wildly disingenuous. Ahood,
[4:08:52] Speaker 1: thank you for the jet and you're right. So, like,
[4:08:55] Speaker 1: the thing that is weird about the slavery thing is
[4:08:59] Speaker 1: not only do they always have some weird cope about
[4:09:02] Speaker 1: slavery in the Bible. The other thing is that, like
[4:09:09] Speaker 1: if you ask them about any other slavery that's not
[4:09:12] Speaker 1: in the Bible, typically will say how bad it was
[4:09:15] Speaker 1: the minute it's from the Bible. Now it's all sudden good.
[4:09:18] Speaker 1: It's all of a sudden it's not slavery. Because they
[4:09:21] Speaker 1: can't be honest, right, you know. Godwin says, I've changed
[4:09:27] Speaker 1: my name from Godwin to Godwin absurdum. I want to
[4:09:31] Speaker 1: be taken seriously, just not too seriously. Hell Doug, that
[4:09:36] Speaker 1: was good. I appreciate that. I won't take you too
[4:09:38] Speaker 1: seriously Godwin, because you bring jokes and carnage. I saw
[4:09:41] Speaker 1: that it comes again. Thank you so much carnage. I
[4:09:43] Speaker 1: appreciate that as Paul has clearly granted all of his
[4:09:46] Speaker 1: simps the gift of gymnastic level contortion. Pretzels too bad.
[4:09:51] Speaker 1: They all seem to have the same voice. That is
[4:09:54] Speaker 1: the case. It's weird to me, like if you got
[4:09:58] Speaker 1: rid of Paul from the Bible, I think most people
[4:10:00] Speaker 1: will kind of innately know this carnage. If you got
[4:10:03] Speaker 1: rid of Paul from the Bible, there'd be a lot
[4:10:05] Speaker 1: less contradictions. This thing would be a lot more easy
[4:10:09] Speaker 1: to read and defend as a Christian. The minute you
[4:10:11] Speaker 1: add Paul in, man, you fucked it up. You're in
[4:10:13] Speaker 1: a lot of trouble. Three headed Draculas is Joe? Please
[4:10:17] Speaker 1: just agree with me that I'm allowed to eat bacon.
[4:10:22] Speaker 1: What's crazy that Joe himself said he eats bacon? Lovely says,
[4:10:28] Speaker 1: why are there Christians at all? Old Testament God, New Testament,
[4:10:30] Speaker 1: Jesus say, follow the Old Testament law forever. Paul says
[4:10:33] Speaker 1: nah ah, and Paul overrides both God and Jesus.
[4:10:37] Speaker 10: Why I always wondered that, like, how is this man
[4:10:41] Speaker 10: who went and got himself concussed on the road to
[4:10:43] Speaker 10: Damascus get all this? Say remember this?
[4:10:49] Speaker 1: And you can say, like, well, the Holy Spirit and
[4:10:52] Speaker 1: YadA ideah. But if the Holy Spirit told him that,
[4:10:54] Speaker 1: this means God's contradicting himself. Why is God contradicting himself?
[4:10:58] Speaker 1: That's ridiculous.
[4:11:00] Speaker 10: Why can God only come after I bumped my head?
[4:11:02] Speaker 1: Right? Yes, isn't it? Isn't it interesting that this whole
[4:11:05] Speaker 1: revelation came as a result of Paul falling off his
[4:11:08] Speaker 1: horse and having a traumatic brain injury. Fucking weird how
[4:11:12] Speaker 1: that works?
[4:11:13] Speaker 10: It was weird. He's concusts and suddenly he's Jesus, bros.
[4:11:17] Speaker 1: That for fucking good cust. He has no idea where
[4:11:20] Speaker 1: he was. He got so concussed he was blinded. Remember
[4:11:25] Speaker 1: he had to go see another guy to become unblinded.
[4:11:28] Speaker 10: But then again, these are the same people who are
[4:11:31] Speaker 10: along the same vein of the ones who were like, hey,
[4:11:34] Speaker 10: when Jesus rose up. Supposedly it was a whole different person.
[4:11:37] Speaker 10: Everybody's just like who knew Jesus? Who is and like,
[4:11:41] Speaker 10: there we are. It's just like Jesus said, yeah, I'm Jesus.
[4:11:43] Speaker 10: You don't look nothing like him.
[4:11:45] Speaker 1: But you are sure, which is another thing. When he
[4:11:49] Speaker 1: had a visitation from Jesus, how did he know it
[4:11:51] Speaker 1: was Jesus? How could he even verify it with Jesus?
[4:11:54] Speaker 1: He never met him, had no idea or can the
[4:11:59] Speaker 1: base thank you for the supergest says why did Protestants
[4:12:02] Speaker 1: remove Maccabee's and what's a good reason they shouldn't have?
[4:12:05] Speaker 1: Trying to convince my Pentecostal dad. Here's what I would do.
[4:12:08] Speaker 1: Orc subscribe to the channel, get a copy of the
[4:12:11] Speaker 1: cheat sheet. There's a tab on the cheat sheet called Apocrypha.
[4:12:14] Speaker 1: There's a link in that tab. Not only does the
[4:12:17] Speaker 1: New Testament quote from the Apocrypha, but there's a link
[4:12:20] Speaker 1: in that It goes to a whole separate document that
[4:12:21] Speaker 1: I put together that has every single quotation from the
[4:12:26] Speaker 1: first four hundred years of the early Church about the Apocrypha.
[4:12:30] Speaker 1: It has all the quotations from the book about the book,
[4:12:33] Speaker 1: rulings by the councils, and you can see that it
[4:12:38] Speaker 1: was in fact treated as scripture. For hundreds of years,
[4:12:43] Speaker 1: the Christians and the Jews had a different set of
[4:12:47] Speaker 1: canonical books. They just had a different set. And then
[4:12:51] Speaker 1: later later Christians came and said, hey, do you know
[4:12:55] Speaker 1: that the Jews have a different set of canonical books.
[4:12:58] Speaker 1: Maybe we shouldn't hold these to be canonical if the
[4:13:00] Speaker 1: Jews don't. That was a later change that happened. But
[4:13:05] Speaker 1: even up until the eighteen hundreds they still include him
[4:13:07] Speaker 1: in the Bible. It wasn't until later that they stopped
[4:13:10] Speaker 1: including him in the Bible because they're like, well, shit,
[4:13:12] Speaker 1: no one believes this stuff is scripture anymore. Let's just
[4:13:14] Speaker 1: get rid of it and stop confusing people and save
[4:13:16] Speaker 1: the printing costs. Right skip skiptical, it says Schroderinger's Joe
[4:13:25] Speaker 1: is in a position. That's exactly what Joe want. Joe
[4:13:30] Speaker 1: was trying hard. He was doing some bobbing and weaving,
[4:13:33] Speaker 1: and the problem is he did so much bobbing and
[4:13:35] Speaker 1: weaving that he started to contradict himself. I think that
[4:13:38] Speaker 1: that will show in the record when it gets clipped
[4:13:41] Speaker 1: and we learn how to box first. That's right, that's
[4:13:44] Speaker 1: the case. Yeah, Jim Nashew says, I confuse, I'm confused.
[4:13:50] Speaker 1: I can I don't think you confused, Joe. I'll just
[4:13:52] Speaker 1: read it. I confused this Joe with Oh okay, I
[4:13:56] Speaker 1: confuse this Joe with another ball Joe earlier. So sorry
[4:14:00] Speaker 1: to this Joe for my earlier comment. I know when
[4:14:03] Speaker 1: to say I made a mistake. Okay, So Jim, there
[4:14:06] Speaker 1: was another Joe that was bald that you confused for
[4:14:08] Speaker 1: the Joe that I was talking to, if not the
[4:14:10] Speaker 1: same Joe, okay, fair enough, fair enough, I'm sure Joe
[4:14:14] Speaker 1: forgives you Moosely Harmless says, when is the next Q
[4:14:19] Speaker 1: and A? Friendly? And with many questions, I'll tell you
[4:14:22] Speaker 1: what on Tuesday. This upcoming Tuesday, I'll do a Q
[4:14:26] Speaker 1: and A. I'll do a regular stream Monday, and then
[4:14:29] Speaker 1: i'll do a Q and A on Tuesday for everyone.
[4:14:32] Speaker 1: So mostly come on Tuesday and you'll get your Q
[4:14:35] Speaker 1: and A friend. Briandna says, sorry, I worship shar now
[4:14:39] Speaker 1: mistress of the Night. That's okay, Briandon, I will support
[4:14:42] Speaker 1: you in worshiping the Mistress of the Night. In fact,
[4:14:45] Speaker 1: if you read the text from the ancient hit Tites,
[4:14:48] Speaker 1: they can even give you instructions on how to get
[4:14:51] Speaker 1: the temple for the Goddess of the Night sanctified properly
[4:14:55] Speaker 1: so that she'll come to dwell with you. I can
[4:14:58] Speaker 1: share you that, Rachel, if you need it, says I
[4:15:00] Speaker 1: would love it if you would slowly, if you slowly
[4:15:03] Speaker 1: took a bite of a soft big pretzels live when
[4:15:05] Speaker 1: colors start rambling and pretzeling. Oh my god, this is
[4:15:08] Speaker 1: such a good idea.
[4:15:09] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[4:15:10] Speaker 1: I didn't think about it. First of all, I love pretzels.
[4:15:12] Speaker 1: Thinking of all, they're not even hard to get ahold of.
[4:15:14] Speaker 1: I can literally just Okay, this is happening, Logan, this
[4:15:19] Speaker 1: is happening. We're gonna be getting pretzels. I'm gonna be
[4:15:21] Speaker 1: eating them live on stream. Love it.
[4:15:25] Speaker 10: You just gave justin permission to eat on camera. He's
[4:15:27] Speaker 10: not mad about it.
[4:15:28] Speaker 1: Not at all. Hey, dude, good to see you again.
[4:15:31] Speaker 1: Thank you so so much for sending out five deconstructions
[4:15:34] Speaker 1: on memberships. It's super generous, friend, I really do appreciate that.
[4:15:38] Speaker 1: And remember, memberships get access to the deconstricting cheat sheet.
[4:15:46] Speaker 1: Take advantage of that, friends, TG says, my god is real,
[4:15:49] Speaker 1: yours are fake. No, my God is real, yours are fake.
[4:15:52] Speaker 1: I believe both are correct. They're all fake. Robert g
[4:15:56] Speaker 1: ingersl TG. That's where I'm at. I listen every theist
[4:15:59] Speaker 1: eyeing game. I believe in just one less God that
[4:16:03] Speaker 1: they believe in. That's it, just one less Tim says,
[4:16:07] Speaker 1: how does child of a virgin become a carpenter? I mean, theoretically,
[4:16:15] Speaker 1: he could have learned it from his father. I mean,
[4:16:18] Speaker 1: I'm assuming Mary wasn't a carpenter. I'm assuming Joseph had
[4:16:21] Speaker 1: to teach. Stephen says Stalin was a monk from a
[4:16:24] Speaker 1: young age in seminary. Okay, so Stephen, this is actually interesting.
[4:16:27] Speaker 1: So you're right. So Stalin did actually become a seminarian,
[4:16:32] Speaker 1: and he rejected the religion and became an atheist after
[4:16:35] Speaker 1: his seminary experience, much like my experience right now. The
[4:16:40] Speaker 1: question needs to be had was his atheism of motivation
[4:16:45] Speaker 1: for all the bullshit that he did. I don't know
[4:16:47] Speaker 1: if it was. I seem to think he would have
[4:16:50] Speaker 1: done that nonsense, whether he was an atheist or not.
[4:16:53] Speaker 1: But it is true that Stalin did reject religion and
[4:16:57] Speaker 1: become an atheist. That was a real thing.
[4:17:00] Speaker 10: Or maybe you just descended into the nihilism that sometimes
[4:17:03] Speaker 10: comes with it.
[4:17:04] Speaker 1: See, that's possible, but then it doesn't make sense of
[4:17:06] Speaker 1: like goologs like I don't know, it's tough, there's questions.
[4:17:15] Speaker 1: Blanker says. Religion also teaches you are sick and they
[4:17:18] Speaker 1: have the cure. Others everyone outside it and literally outside
[4:17:24] Speaker 1: it and literally thinks the end of the world is good.
[4:17:27] Speaker 1: Let's move on, okay, Flank said, he said a lot
[4:17:30] Speaker 1: of words there. Let's try to try to break this down.
[4:17:34] Speaker 1: Religion teaches that you're sick, right, Okay, so we agree
[4:17:38] Speaker 1: on this, right. Religion teaches that you're sick, you're problematic,
[4:17:42] Speaker 1: and you're doomed to hell because of it, and they
[4:17:45] Speaker 1: want you to think that like you're nasty and dirty.
[4:17:47] Speaker 1: But I've got the cure for you. Just buy what
[4:17:50] Speaker 1: I'm selling and we're not doing that. That's my friend.
[4:17:53] Speaker 1: Great to see you today. Thank you for the nine
[4:17:55] Speaker 1: nine nine super chest. It's been a minute, friend, and
[4:17:56] Speaker 1: says it could just be me, but I do not
[4:18:00] Speaker 1: find comfort in being watched by the eye of Soura.
[4:18:04] Speaker 1: It's actually a really good point, Like who wants to
[4:18:08] Speaker 1: live in this world where your every move is being watched.
[4:18:12] Speaker 10: Well, there's that song God is a bit of a freak. Yeah,
[4:18:17] Speaker 10: there's that, But then there's also you gonna take it
[4:18:19] Speaker 10: a little deeper, like he's literally watching it when his
[4:18:22] Speaker 10: own priests are doing it to the children.
[4:18:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, every child that gets say, God's just looking down.
[4:18:27] Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, look at that chick.
[4:18:29] Speaker 10: What about that popcorn out? Like, hey, I'm gonna get
[4:18:32] Speaker 10: this man someday.
[4:18:33] Speaker 1: Yeah, one day.
[4:18:34] Speaker 10: Well then, well then here's that show. What the fuck.
[4:18:42] Speaker 1: You guys might meet in heaven. Don't worry about that now.
[4:18:46] Speaker 24: Right, Carlos, Right, yeah, yeah, Carlos, thank you for sending
[4:18:53] Speaker 24: us ten deconstructions to the memberships.
[4:18:55] Speaker 1: I super appreciate that, Carlos. It's great to see you
[4:18:57] Speaker 1: today and I hope you're having a great day and
[4:19:01] Speaker 1: I'm sure i'll see you again soon. But thank you
[4:19:02] Speaker 1: so much for supporting the channel and Karna Jasada active
[4:19:06] Speaker 1: in the comments today. Thank you so much, says Caller.
[4:19:09] Speaker 1: Religion is a net good. It's unfair to call it violent. Also,
[4:19:13] Speaker 1: Caller directly compared to religion to a literal gun. Absolutely
[4:19:19] Speaker 1: did that.
[4:19:22] Speaker 10: Less.
[4:19:24] Speaker 1: It's like they don't think before before they speak.
[4:19:28] Speaker 10: It's a Russian one is what it is jem.
[4:19:30] Speaker 1: And Jason's psychosis. Guy, I have an idea that fixes
[4:19:33] Speaker 1: it all. Yeah, medication. There's medication for that. I like
[4:19:38] Speaker 1: bilifier or something. Nitty. Thank you for the super jest
[4:19:42] Speaker 1: says God constantly looking. God constantly looking hasn't stopped Christians
[4:19:47] Speaker 1: from ending persons pdf files. Neither does our increase in
[4:19:52] Speaker 1: surveillance by cameras everywhere or Siri stop the same actions,
[4:19:57] Speaker 1: ask loss preventions. This is actually a good point, nitty,
[4:19:59] Speaker 1: because the crimes are still happening. Like saying that that
[4:20:05] Speaker 1: is going to reduce crimes by thinking of sky Daddy's
[4:20:10] Speaker 1: watching you. I don't know if that's born out with
[4:20:12] Speaker 1: any evidence. That seems to be like a real simplistic
[4:20:15] Speaker 1: theoretical idea that might work on children but not so
[4:20:19] Speaker 1: much on adults.
[4:20:20] Speaker 10: You also need to explain why they think of it.
[4:20:22] Speaker 10: They have objective morality, because that means across the board
[4:20:25] Speaker 10: they're all doing these terrible things. Clearly, it's not that objective.
[4:20:29] Speaker 1: Right right, and design coming in again, Thank you friends.
[4:20:34] Speaker 1: Is lucky for pretend godds. Religion is horny for those
[4:20:39] Speaker 1: willing to trade millions of lives for their own sense
[4:20:42] Speaker 1: of personal comfort. Yeah, I don't know that was the
[4:20:45] Speaker 1: word I would use, but yeah, religion is desperate for
[4:20:50] Speaker 1: new Comberts. That's what they want. And what are they
[4:20:53] Speaker 1: gonna do. They're gonna try to offer you things or
[4:20:55] Speaker 1: kind of try to convince you that they've got something
[4:20:57] Speaker 1: you need. The reality is they got NHS that we need.
[4:21:01] Speaker 1: Nick says, Color was arguing for the utility of religion,
[4:21:03] Speaker 1: and you just have to ignore the genocide. That's what
[4:21:06] Speaker 1: it was. Nick, religion has utility. Don't look at the
[4:21:10] Speaker 1: horrible stuff. Just only look at that little good nugget
[4:21:13] Speaker 1: over there. See the nugget looks over here.
[4:21:16] Speaker 10: Jesus' abs right everything.
[4:21:19] Speaker 1: Rock hard abs, seven minute abs, I would say, Z
[4:21:25] Speaker 1: says too much. Cuondolini milk gives you huge grace. That's
[4:21:29] Speaker 1: not how that works. Kundelini milk doesn't give you huge grace,
[4:21:33] Speaker 1: But you know, I appreciate the joke and less Nightman
[4:21:38] Speaker 1: Cometh again says I refuse to hear diet coke slander.
[4:21:42] Speaker 1: It's the nectar of Doug. He revealed it to me
[4:21:44] Speaker 1: in a dream Nightmaan. I love you, but I can't
[4:21:48] Speaker 1: agree with you on diet coke. Maybe coke zero is good.
[4:21:51] Speaker 1: I like coke zero, diet coke and no diet coke
[4:21:56] Speaker 1: tastes like laundry that was left in the washer too
[4:21:59] Speaker 1: long that someone forgot to put in the dryer and
[4:22:01] Speaker 1: now it just smells and tastes like sewage a little bit.
[4:22:05] Speaker 1: That's the diet pepsi yeah, or diet coach, both of
[4:22:08] Speaker 1: them really.
[4:22:10] Speaker 10: Not some MILZERI water.
[4:22:15] Speaker 1: Captain Howdy says slavery done well. The pretzel making by
[4:22:19] Speaker 1: white people is disturbing. They have to captain. They don't
[4:22:23] Speaker 1: have much of a choice because, like they know, the
[4:22:25] Speaker 1: Bible says the thing. They're just trying to figure out
[4:22:29] Speaker 1: how do I make it not say the thing? And
[4:22:31] Speaker 1: then they get up and lie and tap dance, you know.
[4:22:35] Speaker 1: A fondex Phoenix, thank you for the ten that hour
[4:22:36] Speaker 1: super test, says hey, justin Since there are some artsy
[4:22:40] Speaker 1: crafty people in the discord, have you ever considered doing
[4:22:42] Speaker 1: a donated arts craft's auction as a community fundraiser? Actually,
[4:22:47] Speaker 1: I have, but I can't tell you about it. It
[4:22:51] Speaker 1: doesn't include volunteers, though it includes myself, and I can't
[4:22:54] Speaker 1: tell you what that means right now. But eventually you
[4:22:57] Speaker 1: will find out, and I think you're gonna find it
[4:23:00] Speaker 1: to be quite interesting. But we should do a community
[4:23:03] Speaker 1: artwork sale and send the money to the Discord for
[4:23:08] Speaker 1: a fundraiser. I actually think this is a really good idea.
[4:23:11] Speaker 1: But we're definitely gonna be doing more fundraisers of different varieties,
[4:23:15] Speaker 1: So look forward for that Gemini I agreat to see.
[4:23:18] Speaker 1: It's been a minute. It says Justin is known for
[4:23:21] Speaker 1: controversial takes, but Deal Reserve is tasty. It is, it
[4:23:27] Speaker 1: actually is. Is the first one that I've had my
[4:23:31] Speaker 1: finger hovering on the unsubscribe. I got over it. Listen,
[4:23:37] Speaker 1: of the cheap beers on the market, Still Reserves the
[4:23:40] Speaker 1: best of them. It just is. You don't have to
[4:23:42] Speaker 1: like it. I know. It's like the favorite beer of
[4:23:45] Speaker 1: like your drop dead drunk uncle that shows up already
[4:23:48] Speaker 1: half drunk to Thanksgiving dinner. I get all that, I
[4:23:51] Speaker 1: get it. But if you actually like beers, like you're
[4:23:54] Speaker 1: a beer connoisseer, there's a lot to love with Still
[4:23:56] Speaker 1: Reserve that you'll never get with Natty Light or any
[4:23:59] Speaker 1: of the other really like super light beers. They're terrible.
[4:24:04] Speaker 1: They're terrible. Sorry about that, Flankard thank you for the
[4:24:08] Speaker 1: ten other supertes says the founding father started the nation,
[4:24:10] Speaker 1: and literally the first thing they did was established the
[4:24:14] Speaker 1: freedom of religion and freedom from That's what makes this
[4:24:17] Speaker 1: a unique country. Antithocracy. That's right. The first thing on
[4:24:21] Speaker 1: their mind was no kings and make sure that you
[4:24:26] Speaker 1: don't force anyone into or out of a religion. You
[4:24:29] Speaker 1: have freedom of religion. So no, America is not a
[4:24:33] Speaker 1: Christian nation. America is a free nation where you can
[4:24:37] Speaker 1: choose your religion. Flash, thank you for the nine ninety nine,
[4:24:41] Speaker 1: says past me here. I'm about to start a road
[4:24:45] Speaker 1: trip in a bit and this will be my playlist.
[4:24:47] Speaker 1: Thank you justin for keeping me entertained through the roads
[4:24:50] Speaker 1: in Arizona. Doug bless All, well, thank you Flash for
[4:24:53] Speaker 1: the kind words. I appreciate that and I hope your
[4:24:55] Speaker 1: road trip goes well. Make sure to focus on the
[4:24:58] Speaker 1: road though I don't lose sight of the road, just
[4:25:01] Speaker 1: like baseball keeper eye on the road. Don't be a
[4:25:04] Speaker 1: distructive driver. But thanks for listening and Anglican choir Master,
[4:25:08] Speaker 1: thank you for the tenaw' super jest, he says Gustavo Gutierrez.
[4:25:12] Speaker 1: I don't know what UNI means at a university. University
[4:25:15] Speaker 1: of Notre Dame, professor theologian and Dominican priests co founded
[4:25:19] Speaker 1: Liberation Theology, passed away last year at the age of
[4:25:23] Speaker 1: ninety six. Also praise Doug from whom a blessings flow.
[4:25:27] Speaker 1: I appreciate the knowledge. I didn't actually know who was
[4:25:30] Speaker 1: the inventor of liberation theology. I just know like the
[4:25:33] Speaker 1: big name, like Reverend Wright. But liberation theology is interesting.
[4:25:38] Speaker 1: It seems to be like a cousin of Process Theology,
[4:25:42] Speaker 1: which I know a little bit more about. Niitty says
[4:25:44] Speaker 1: Jay dierites use sin as an excuse to abuse people. Interesting.
[4:25:50] Speaker 1: If I, if I had to guess, Jay Dyer and
[4:25:53] Speaker 1: his followers would whole hog agree that the slavery of
[4:25:58] Speaker 1: the Bible was okay? If I had to, yes, I
[4:26:00] Speaker 1: don't know. Mike says, John is really broadcasting wisdom, understanding, council, fortitude, knowledge, piety,
[4:26:07] Speaker 1: and fear of the Lord. He really was. Didn't he
[4:26:09] Speaker 1: bring in all of those Colossians three twelve qualities, all
[4:26:13] Speaker 1: of those first Peter fifteen qualities. Let me let me
[4:26:19] Speaker 1: pull up Colossians three twelve. I think three twelve and
[4:26:23] Speaker 1: three eighteen Therefore, God, as chosen Ones, Holy and beloved,
[4:26:28] Speaker 1: clothe yourselves with compassion, kindness, humility, meekness, and patience. Yeah,
[4:26:34] Speaker 1: he sounds like a real Christian to me. Yeah, he
[4:26:35] Speaker 1: did clothe himself with compassion, kindness, meekness, humility, and patience.
[4:26:40] Speaker 1: What about that. I think I've just converted right now. Yeah, Mike,
[4:26:44] Speaker 1: I agree. John needs a huge dose of Holy Spirit grace.
[4:26:48] Speaker 1: That was a good use of the word. I appreciate that.
[4:26:50] Speaker 1: And Wooly says John knows because the book he hasn't
[4:26:54] Speaker 1: read says it. I was really hoping he'd spend some
[4:26:57] Speaker 1: time trying to find that quote after he lied about
[4:27:00] Speaker 1: not getting to his Bible. I can almost guarantee you
[4:27:03] Speaker 1: he had access to his computer. He could have looked
[4:27:05] Speaker 1: it up on but he couldn't follow a whod said
[4:27:10] Speaker 1: John has never owned a Bible, clearly never read the thing. Dude.
[4:27:14] Speaker 1: He couldn't even name the first four books, the first
[4:27:17] Speaker 1: five books of the Bible, or the Gospels either one. Dude,
[4:27:20] Speaker 1: was a complete waste of time. Never read the damn book.
[4:27:23] Speaker 1: He's like those crazy pilbros that have never read the
[4:27:29] Speaker 1: Bible and say, well, the Bible is true because of
[4:27:31] Speaker 1: my philosophical argument. No, not how that works, and Design says,
[4:27:35] Speaker 1: words don't mean words. Words don't mean words, words don't
[4:27:38] Speaker 1: mean words, words don't mean words. That's all John can
[4:27:41] Speaker 1: actually do. That is his only argument. He's not bred
[4:27:44] Speaker 1: enough for a better one, and all hail mighty John.
[4:27:49] Speaker 1: Unfortunately John did not bring his best today, and Edward says,
[4:27:52] Speaker 1: take my European dollars. Oh dollars, yeah from the Euros.
[4:27:57] Speaker 1: Thank you, says, go get ice cream, enjoy your weekend.
[4:27:59] Speaker 1: Much love for Finland. Hell yeah, Edward, I appreciate that.
[4:28:01] Speaker 1: In fact, here at five o'clock I'll probably go get
[4:28:05] Speaker 1: ice cream with my son today. Today is a great
[4:28:09] Speaker 1: day for ice cream. The sun is fun to come out,
[4:28:11] Speaker 1: it's warm, not too warm, but it's gonna be a
[4:28:13] Speaker 1: good one for ice cream. Oops, I justab my phone,
[4:28:15] Speaker 1: my microphone, Kay says, as a trans woman myself, I
[4:28:18] Speaker 1: would be happy to show John the purest form of intimacy.
[4:28:22] Speaker 1: He would kneel at my feet instead of God, Oh
[4:28:27] Speaker 1: my okay, I'm sorry that you had to sit through that.
[4:28:31] Speaker 1: That was I was hoping he wouldn't derail the conversation
[4:28:35] Speaker 1: into an hour long tirade about trans people, even though
[4:28:39] Speaker 1: I know he really wanted to. He was dying to
[4:28:43] Speaker 1: change the conversation away from the Bible. That's all he
[4:28:46] Speaker 1: wanted to do the whole time. I wasn't gonna let
[4:28:48] Speaker 1: him do that. That being said, trans women are women. Yes,
[4:28:52] Speaker 1: if I met one and fell in love with a
[4:28:54] Speaker 1: trans woman, I would be with a trans woman. I
[4:28:56] Speaker 1: don't see how that's a problem. So anyway, Kay, John's
[4:29:01] Speaker 1: an asshole. Don't let him get to you. Let's see.
[4:29:06] Speaker 1: Woolllight says, sorry, Jay, your Bible is just misprinted. It's
[4:29:10] Speaker 1: the Muslim one. I didn't realize when I pulled up
[4:29:14] Speaker 1: biblegateway dot com. I didn't realize I had to tell
[4:29:16] Speaker 1: him not to give me the Muslim Bible that I
[4:29:19] Speaker 1: wasn't aware of this. This is my bad. And Garrett says, Dude,
[4:29:22] Speaker 1: this guy has no clue what's going on. It's so
[4:29:24] Speaker 1: clear he doesn't have any idea about the bigger picture
[4:29:27] Speaker 1: of the Bible. What a fool. I'm with you, Garrett.
[4:29:29] Speaker 1: Not only was he a fool, he was confidently fooled foolish,
[4:29:34] Speaker 1: And I'm with you, Griffin. John voted, And not only
[4:29:38] Speaker 1: did John vote, you know who he voted for, don't you. Yeah,
[4:29:43] Speaker 1: he votes Yeah, that's why we do this. Carlos. Good
[4:29:48] Speaker 1: to see you again. Thank you so so much for
[4:29:50] Speaker 1: the two hundred MX Big w Carlos. Carlos says Jeremiah
[4:29:54] Speaker 1: was a bullfrog from Jude to the world by three
[4:29:59] Speaker 1: dogs night. So I bet you I could have read
[4:30:05] Speaker 1: him Bible passages that said things that are from John
[4:30:09] Speaker 1: that no one says anywhere in the Bible and got
[4:30:11] Speaker 1: him to agree that John could have said it or
[4:30:13] Speaker 1: should have said it. He would have said anything, because
[4:30:16] Speaker 1: he has no idea what's in the book. The problem
[4:30:18] Speaker 1: is he couldn't shut up long enough to have a
[4:30:20] Speaker 1: conversation about what was in the book. And it was tough.
[4:30:23] Speaker 1: We got a lot of super chats about John. By
[4:30:25] Speaker 1: the way, you guys did not like this guy, Josh says,
[4:30:30] Speaker 1: guests should be embarrassed, but not bright enough. I agree
[4:30:34] Speaker 1: he was too dumb to know he was too cooked.
[4:30:38] Speaker 1: And Josh says, the hostile stupidity of this bonehead is funny.
[4:30:42] Speaker 1: I found it to be a little bit entertaining and
[4:30:44] Speaker 1: funny until close to the end, where I actually tried
[4:30:47] Speaker 1: to make some headway with him, and even he seemingly
[4:30:52] Speaker 1: was going to comply and then wouldn't. TG says, the
[4:30:55] Speaker 1: Holy Ghost is one awful Inspirer editor Rock hard forduck,
[4:30:59] Speaker 1: that is the case. It listen, if the Bible was
[4:31:01] Speaker 1: inspired by the Holy Spirit, he did a shit job.
[4:31:04] Speaker 1: Not good at all. Steve Nash, not the basketball player,
[4:31:08] Speaker 1: I assume, says, just sending you some money because you
[4:31:10] Speaker 1: had to deal with John. That's all carry on. I
[4:31:15] Speaker 1: appreciate that, Steve, and I apologize you guys had to
[4:31:20] Speaker 1: hear him. I'm sorry you guys had to hear that nonsense.
[4:31:23] Speaker 1: Geene says, excellent work char boiling John, delusion, hate and dishonesty,
[4:31:28] Speaker 1: caramelize nicely. Well, thank you, Gene. I appreciate that. I
[4:31:31] Speaker 1: fear a lot of people listen to that conversation. It
[4:31:33] Speaker 1: had to turn away. That was a painful conversation to
[4:31:36] Speaker 1: listen to, even more painful to have. Mastermuchader said, Lifetime
[4:31:40] Speaker 1: banned for John for the love of Doug. Unfortunately he's
[4:31:43] Speaker 1: on YouTube and his name was just John. I don't
[4:31:45] Speaker 1: know which Johnny is, but I bet we'll remember his
[4:31:48] Speaker 1: voice if he comes back. Maybe we'll ban him. We'll
[4:31:50] Speaker 1: see Tilly Durga says, I don't know how you handle
[4:31:55] Speaker 1: callers like John praise Doug Well, I don't know even
[4:32:00] Speaker 1: even I have a limit, and you saw I snapped
[4:32:02] Speaker 1: at him a couple of times. He he was beyond
[4:32:05] Speaker 1: my limit. I know there are some people that can
[4:32:06] Speaker 1: tolerate him, and Listenie, I don't know if I am.
[4:32:10] Speaker 1: Maybe I should in the future, maybe I should try
[4:32:12] Speaker 1: to do better. But that's where we're at. You know,
[4:32:15] Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? Josh says John was runner
[4:32:18] Speaker 1: up valedictorian of his homeschool. Turns out his pet hamster
[4:32:22] Speaker 1: took first place. To quote bugs, Buddy, what a maroon.
[4:32:26] Speaker 1: That's a good quote too. Yeah, that guy is not smart,
[4:32:31] Speaker 1: and the troubling thing. The troubling thing is he thinks
[4:32:34] Speaker 1: he's really fucking smart, Like he thinks he's the smartest
[4:32:38] Speaker 1: person on the planet. And Crystal, thank you for the
[4:32:40] Speaker 1: ten that I was supertating, says John is going to
[4:32:42] Speaker 1: hang up thinking he's the winner for his antics on
[4:32:45] Speaker 1: the channel, but he's the one who's going to be
[4:32:48] Speaker 1: laughed at by everyone who watches the show. Good job
[4:32:51] Speaker 1: being a laughing stock, John, that's the case. Listen, I'm
[4:32:55] Speaker 1: gonna be clipping John. I don't know when it'll be posted,
[4:32:57] Speaker 1: but when it gets posted, thousands and thousands of people
[4:33:00] Speaker 1: are gonna watch John make an utter fool of himself.
[4:33:04] Speaker 1: I hope somebody in his life watches the video and
[4:33:07] Speaker 1: shows it to him and says, you embarrass yourself. Fifty
[4:33:10] Speaker 1: says John, I don't understand this well enough. Explain it
[4:33:13] Speaker 1: to me, so I can tell you why I understand
[4:33:15] Speaker 1: it better than you. That's what he was saying, precisely
[4:33:18] Speaker 1: what he was saying. And Kenji says that guy like
[4:33:24] Speaker 1: my family is the reason I tried to alt f
[4:33:28] Speaker 1: four like at eleven. I'm sorry you have to deal
[4:33:30] Speaker 1: with people like that. I'm glad you didn't, though, says
[4:33:33] Speaker 1: I appaud your patience and hope your self care routine
[4:33:35] Speaker 1: is robust. Much love. I do take care of myself
[4:33:39] Speaker 1: outside of these debates. Don't worry. I'm getting sleep finally
[4:33:43] Speaker 1: that I'm not working two jobs. I'm eating much better
[4:33:47] Speaker 1: now that I'm not working two jobs. I'm actually cooking
[4:33:51] Speaker 1: my meals again. It's crazy how much weight you can
[4:33:55] Speaker 1: lose just by cooking good food at home, which is
[4:33:58] Speaker 1: where I spend most of my time now as a
[4:34:00] Speaker 1: like eating out all the time because you're at work,
[4:34:03] Speaker 1: Like I'm still consuming lots of calories, but like I'm
[4:34:06] Speaker 1: already down like ten pounds just because I'm like I
[4:34:09] Speaker 1: can actually cook fruits and vegetables and like real food
[4:34:13] Speaker 1: dishes rather than like hitting up Wendy's at lunchtime. You know.
[4:34:17] Speaker 1: Lka says in Mark two five, Jesus simply forgives a paralytic.
[4:34:22] Speaker 1: No blood was shed. This contradiction, This contradicts Hebrews nine
[4:34:26] Speaker 1: twenty two. Why couldn't God just forgive everyone the same
[4:34:28] Speaker 1: way he did with the paralytic? So l okay, we
[4:34:31] Speaker 1: do actually talk about this a little bit. So in
[4:34:34] Speaker 1: Hebrews nine twenty two it says there's no forgiveness without
[4:34:37] Speaker 1: the shedding of blood. But in Leviticus, chapter five, I
[4:34:40] Speaker 1: think verse eleven, it literally states that you can be
[4:34:43] Speaker 1: forgiven even with a tenth of an efa of fine flower.
[4:34:45] Speaker 1: And then we read where John was baptizing people for
[4:34:47] Speaker 1: the forgiveness and the or for the remission of sins,
[4:34:50] Speaker 1: and we see Jesus healing people and forgiving their sins
[4:34:53] Speaker 1: prior to his death, which means God simply could do it.
[4:34:57] Speaker 1: He has the ability to do it, he's chosen not to,
[4:34:59] Speaker 1: apparently perilous range. So thank you for reminding me to
[4:35:03] Speaker 1: flip the laundry. Well, listen, take care of the laundry.
[4:35:08] Speaker 1: You had to take care. It's gonna get stinky if
[4:35:10] Speaker 1: you don't. Still attack says Richard Dawkins. Colleague did a
[4:35:15] Speaker 1: worst place test workplace workplace I think in a workplace test,
[4:35:21] Speaker 1: coffee room poster said voluntarily contribute to fund coffee poster
[4:35:26] Speaker 1: with big eye drawn on it got much more voluntary
[4:35:29] Speaker 1: payment than other random drawings. It's really interesting. I actually
[4:35:34] Speaker 1: did a workplace test myself a long time ago where
[4:35:37] Speaker 1: we were people were bringing in their coffee and it
[4:35:41] Speaker 1: was really inconvenient, and so I put a collection bucket
[4:35:44] Speaker 1: and said, you know, collection for coffee, and then like
[4:35:48] Speaker 1: somebody would take the collection and we would buy coffee
[4:35:52] Speaker 1: as a group, and that worked really well. I didn't
[4:35:55] Speaker 1: have to hang any eyeballs. But I would love to
[4:35:57] Speaker 1: see Richard Dawkins workplace test. It does sound interesting, and
[4:36:02] Speaker 1: you know me, I love a good test, And Tiff says,
[4:36:06] Speaker 1: just to piss off some obnoxious Christians, also, thank you
[4:36:09] Speaker 1: for all you and your team does you're a superstar. Well,
[4:36:12] Speaker 1: thank you, tiff I Forcian Day. You know, there are
[4:36:15] Speaker 1: Christians right now. They saw that you just sent me
[4:36:17] Speaker 1: sixty six and they're just seething. They're just so mad
[4:36:22] Speaker 1: right now that somebody is sending me six dollars and
[4:36:24] Speaker 1: sixty six cents as I literally roast Christians alive on
[4:36:28] Speaker 1: the internet. And thank you for helping that to continue.
[4:36:34] Speaker 1: Porkman says, John probably wonders why he's so lonely. I
[4:36:38] Speaker 1: gotta be honest, pork I don't think he's smart enough
[4:36:41] Speaker 1: to wonder that. I think he's sitting around thinking these
[4:36:44] Speaker 1: motherfuckers are all wrong, that they don't want to spend
[4:36:46] Speaker 1: time with me. He's not wondering why he's lonely. He's
[4:36:49] Speaker 1: already made the decision that he's the only one that
[4:36:51] Speaker 1: knows what's right. And Nightman says, there's a Christian there's
[4:36:55] Speaker 1: that Christian love. What a pus I know that that's
[4:36:57] Speaker 1: all he had. That's all he had was ray and anger,
[4:37:01] Speaker 1: and he showed it. If you told me that Christianity
[4:37:04] Speaker 1: makes people more loving, I would show you. John and
[4:37:07] Speaker 1: helping make it, says hey, John, what's it like to
[4:37:08] Speaker 1: be an oppressed snowflake. That's what it is. He's so
[4:37:12] Speaker 1: damn impressed. Someone made him give a pronoun once and
[4:37:17] Speaker 1: now he's oppressed. Crucivics me says gays are awful? What
[4:37:22] Speaker 1: here take? And sa my two daughters. I don't know.
[4:37:26] Speaker 1: I think you're referring to Lot.
[4:37:28] Speaker 10: He's being sarcastic with the first part and then saying.
[4:37:31] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a fair point. So the Christian interpretation
[4:37:34] Speaker 1: of the passage is that it is a commentary on
[4:37:37] Speaker 1: gay people and being gay is so awful that God
[4:37:39] Speaker 1: had to destroy the city. But then at the same time,
[4:37:42] Speaker 1: Lot is called a righteous man, and a Lot offered
[4:37:44] Speaker 1: up his two daughters to be graped. It's a huge problem. Roscolle,
[4:37:48] Speaker 1: thank you so much for the twenty hour super chat
[4:37:50] Speaker 1: for my friend. It says, I'm now a member. Hell yeah.
[4:37:54] Speaker 1: But I have a shirt list short list of frequent
[4:37:57] Speaker 1: topics I tend to yell at the screen about. Number
[4:38:00] Speaker 1: one subject is any decision not to lean on our
[4:38:04] Speaker 1: own understanding requires our own understanding, not escaping. We rely
[4:38:08] Speaker 1: on our own braids. So, Roscoe, the thing that I'll
[4:38:10] Speaker 1: ask people when they say, don't rely on your own
[4:38:12] Speaker 1: understanding I'll say, Okay, did you come to that conclusion
[4:38:16] Speaker 1: by using your own understanding of reading the Bible? And
[4:38:18] Speaker 1: if that's the case, then yes, you're relying on your
[4:38:21] Speaker 1: own understanding of the Bible. To tell you not to
[4:38:24] Speaker 1: rely on your own understanding, which means you can't escape it.
[4:38:26] Speaker 1: I'm with your Roscoe. A nightman cometh again, says typical
[4:38:31] Speaker 1: Christian nationalists no Biblical knowledge and doesn't even know a Bible.
[4:38:35] Speaker 1: People like John make me sick. That's the craziest thing.
[4:38:38] Speaker 1: There are people like John that are Christian nationalists. They
[4:38:40] Speaker 1: want to force you into this religion. They don't even
[4:38:43] Speaker 1: know what the fox in the book, they've even read
[4:38:45] Speaker 1: the thing, they don't even know where it's at, and
[4:38:47] Speaker 1: then they lie about not even having a Bible the
[4:38:51] Speaker 1: blexeicin that's interesting name. Wow, that dude is proof that
[4:38:55] Speaker 1: Christian nationalists really don't know anything about their book. That
[4:38:59] Speaker 1: dude did not have a huge grace, of huge grace
[4:39:02] Speaker 1: at all. This is the bed I've made. I have
[4:39:08] Speaker 1: to lie on it now, I don't. This is what's happened.
[4:39:12] Speaker 10: Made it.
[4:39:13] Speaker 1: I'm making a comment filter on YouTube, and I'm I'm
[4:39:15] Speaker 1: filtering out huge grace. That's I don't I'm just fucking
[4:39:23] Speaker 1: with y' all. I love you. Robin says, Happy Friday. Well, shit, Robin,
[4:39:27] Speaker 1: Happy Friday. You thank you so much for the support
[4:39:29] Speaker 1: in the channel. I appreciate that Big Friday to everybody.
[4:39:32] Speaker 1: It's the weekend friends. Ce Design says John is a
[4:39:35] Speaker 1: tribal culture war Christian, never read the Bible, history or scholarship.
[4:39:40] Speaker 1: He's just virtue signaled by the alt right using it
[4:39:43] Speaker 1: as a prop That's what's actually happened. Yes, John has
[4:39:46] Speaker 1: no idea what he's advocating for. None. He's virtual signaling
[4:39:50] Speaker 1: for his people. And guess what. His understanding of history
[4:39:54] Speaker 1: and the Founding Fathers is as bad as his understanding
[4:39:57] Speaker 1: of the Bible, because he hasn't read shit. He watched
[4:39:59] Speaker 1: like a podcast or somebody on YouTube, and now he
[4:40:03] Speaker 1: thinks he's smart. He ain't. He who said John watched
[4:40:06] Speaker 1: Passion of the Christ once. That's the extent of his
[4:40:08] Speaker 1: biblical knowledge.
[4:40:12] Speaker 10: Fun fact, I accidentally said gd in the middle of
[4:40:15] Speaker 10: that goddamn right in the middle of the movie, because
[4:40:19] Speaker 10: going off.
[4:40:19] Speaker 1: And literally amazing. I love it. Carl, Welcome to the
[4:40:27] Speaker 1: crack and Crew Elite, Big w and truth. Thank you
[4:40:30] Speaker 1: for sending out five more DZ Debate memberships. I super
[4:40:34] Speaker 1: appreciate that, friend. That's very generous and the cool says
[4:40:37] Speaker 1: John defends lies because my god, he has to. He
[4:40:41] Speaker 1: has no idea what he's doing. He's literally he's like
[4:40:44] Speaker 1: his head is underwater. He's being waterboarded as we as
[4:40:48] Speaker 1: we were talking, he's in the middle of being waterboarded,
[4:40:51] Speaker 1: saying I'm cooking you, I'm cooking you, blah blah blah
[4:40:54] Speaker 1: blah blah. He has no idea what's happening. Completely concussed,
[4:40:59] Speaker 1: sim says, oh, my dog, you couldn't have been merciful
[4:41:03] Speaker 1: to John and dropped him into the center of the
[4:41:06] Speaker 1: neuron neutron star instead of the cosmic shellacking you gave him. Listen,
[4:41:15] Speaker 1: John did not have a good time. I know that much.
[4:41:18] Speaker 1: I know he probably left. Thank you for that, Silm.
[4:41:21] Speaker 1: I appreciate the super jazz. John left her. You know,
[4:41:24] Speaker 1: John left her thinking he cooked you know, he did.
[4:41:29] Speaker 10: Miracles.
[4:41:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, Jonathan says, not the other there's a different
[4:41:35] Speaker 1: John doesn't know the context. Out of context. Isn't that crazy?
[4:41:39] Speaker 1: He literally admitted to having not read the Bible and
[4:41:42] Speaker 1: was accusing me of not knowing the context. He didn't
[4:41:45] Speaker 1: even he didn't even know that Matthew lived hundreds of
[4:41:50] Speaker 1: years after the prophets. He thought Matthew knew Jeremiah personally.
[4:41:56] Speaker 1: He thought Jeremiah and Ezekiel lived at the same time period.
[4:42:00] Speaker 1: This was not a smart man. He's not bright, straightforward,
[4:42:03] Speaker 1: said heard John before you have Holy fuck. I'm sorry
[4:42:07] Speaker 1: to hear that. Maybe on the line or something. He's
[4:42:09] Speaker 1: such a hateful person. It is shocking to hear the
[4:42:12] Speaker 1: crap he spews. Imagine being his neighbor. Could you imagine?
[4:42:16] Speaker 1: I don't want to imagine. It sounds horrific. It just
[4:42:19] Speaker 1: I hope he's not married. The Dandy says John probably
[4:42:22] Speaker 1: thinks Christ is Jesus name. I bet you're right. Actually,
[4:42:31] Speaker 1: mc levin says, you have the patience of Doug himself. McLevin,
[4:42:35] Speaker 1: I'm trying to get better. I did lose it on John.
[4:42:38] Speaker 1: He'd put me over the edge. I think it's some
[4:42:41] Speaker 1: days are harder than others. Today I thought I was
[4:42:43] Speaker 1: doing well. John put me over the edge. I should
[4:42:46] Speaker 1: have done like some breathing meditations.
[4:42:49] Speaker 10: I was deserted. It's fine.
[4:42:51] Speaker 1: He did have it coming though, John Warnock, thank you
[4:42:53] Speaker 1: for the twenty hour super chat. That's very generous, my friend,
[4:42:57] Speaker 1: thank you so much, says Hitchins. Had something to say
[4:42:59] Speaker 1: about my mind forged manacles like Jonathan. Hitch also said,
[4:43:04] Speaker 1: there are those who think believing Christian absurdities is a
[4:43:07] Speaker 1: test and proof of the purity of their faith. Huh yeah,
[4:43:14] Speaker 1: I mean that is the case, John. So if you
[4:43:16] Speaker 1: talk to a lot of Christians about the absurdities in
[4:43:19] Speaker 1: the Bible, they will believe it is them. The way
[4:43:25] Speaker 1: they see it is they are a true Christian, a
[4:43:28] Speaker 1: real Christian, a true believer. If they'll buy into the nonsense,
[4:43:32] Speaker 1: the more nonsense they're willing to buy into, the better
[4:43:35] Speaker 1: of a believer they are. So I do believe that statement. Kimberly,
[4:43:39] Speaker 1: welcome to the Crack and Crew Elite, and Onyx, thank
[4:43:42] Speaker 1: you for another supertest, says all right, thanks for the feedback.
[4:43:45] Speaker 1: I understand. Sorry, Onyx, it's not you, it's just that
[4:43:48] Speaker 1: got to remember art is subjective. A painting that you
[4:43:51] Speaker 1: think is great might not be great to somebody else.
[4:43:55] Speaker 1: A painting that somebody else thinks is great you might
[4:43:57] Speaker 1: think sucks. That's just the nature of art. So you know,
[4:44:01] Speaker 1: I choose my own artwork for the channel. You know,
[4:44:04] Speaker 1: it is what it is.
[4:44:05] Speaker 6: Now.
[4:44:05] Speaker 1: If somebody sends me art unsolicited and I really love
[4:44:07] Speaker 1: the art, fuck, I'll use it. But the reality is
[4:44:11] Speaker 1: people do send me a lot of art for the Channel,
[4:44:13] Speaker 1: and most of it is not my cup of tea.
[4:44:17] Speaker 1: Larry Beck, thank you so much for the six sixty six.
[4:44:19] Speaker 1: I appreciate that. Be says, just take my money. You
[4:44:24] Speaker 1: having to put up with that asshole. I agree that
[4:44:26] Speaker 1: that is a form of suffering. I just f filled
[4:44:29] Speaker 1: Isaiah fifty three guys. No beyond fire says Stalin realized
[4:44:34] Speaker 1: God was fake and he could compete with that level
[4:44:37] Speaker 1: of obsession and worship. He was just a real pos
[4:44:40] Speaker 1: no matter what he chose. Heill, Doug, I do think
[4:44:43] Speaker 1: you I think you're right. I think Stalin was a
[4:44:45] Speaker 1: ps no matter what, whether he was a Christian or not,
[4:44:49] Speaker 1: he would have been a pos. I don't know if
[4:44:53] Speaker 1: atheism did serve a role in what he became. I
[4:44:56] Speaker 1: don't know. No one can ever know. Probably he did
[4:45:00] Speaker 1: write some stuff. I mean I could read what he wrote,
[4:45:02] Speaker 1: but I'm reading other stuff right now. Gumby, says the
[4:45:06] Speaker 1: sky Donkey is one hundred percent Doug and is Doug
[4:45:09] Speaker 1: one hundred percent the Sky Donkey. Praise be for quantum
[4:45:14] Speaker 1: state religion. Love your work, well, thank you for the
[4:45:17] Speaker 1: sixteen ninety nine New Zealand dollars. Gunna be. I appreciate that.
[4:45:21] Speaker 1: And yeah, remember the Sky Donkey and Doug are one
[4:45:25] Speaker 1: hundred percent of each, but not one plus one hundred percent,
[4:45:29] Speaker 1: because that would be two hundred percent, and Doug actually
[4:45:33] Speaker 1: is logical. Stephen says Stalin used to be Lenin's Dalen
[4:45:38] Speaker 1: used Lenin's death to create a god myth. I don't
[4:45:43] Speaker 1: know about that, actually, Steven. That's that's something I haven't studied.
[4:45:47] Speaker 1: I'd love to hear more about it, though, I'd be
[4:45:49] Speaker 1: interested to find out. Double Donkey Surfer a great, amazing name,
[4:45:55] Speaker 1: by the way, says pbr. Perhaps Lubbin is the best
[4:45:58] Speaker 1: cheap beer. I disc agree. Steel Reserve is malt liquor
[4:46:03] Speaker 1: and hardcore. It basically is okay. The reason why drunks
[4:46:07] Speaker 1: like Still Reserve is because it's like nine or ten
[4:46:10] Speaker 1: percent alcohol. It's basically a beer that is like on
[4:46:14] Speaker 1: the level of being a wine. That's also why it
[4:46:16] Speaker 1: has more flavor in more calories. Because, by the way,
[4:46:19] Speaker 1: if you love malt liquor, try a bum mimosa and
[4:46:23] Speaker 1: just add OJ. It's amazing. I would actually listen. I'll
[4:46:27] Speaker 1: get some still reserve and add some OJ to it.
[4:46:29] Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I think about it. I appreciate
[4:46:31] Speaker 1: the suggestion. And finally, someone with a little bit of
[4:46:34] Speaker 1: sense and taste buds, Yeah, still reserve eate and so bad.
[4:46:37] Speaker 1: Jason White says, the guy who had to get the
[4:46:40] Speaker 1: guy who had to get the trans thing up is
[4:46:42] Speaker 1: a poster child for white evangelical Christians. They are really dangerous.
[4:46:48] Speaker 1: They are the really dangerous kind and scary. Jason, I'm
[4:46:51] Speaker 1: with you a million percent. The crazy thing is that
[4:46:54] Speaker 1: we could have had a conversation about the Bible and
[4:46:56] Speaker 1: he wanted desperately, desperately to talk about trans people. I
[4:47:01] Speaker 1: will bet you there is almost no money in the
[4:47:04] Speaker 1: world that that is a man who is in the closet,
[4:47:08] Speaker 1: who is googling trans porn as we speak, and just
[4:47:12] Speaker 1: hates himself. He's just fucking miserable that when he googles
[4:47:17] Speaker 1: transborn he loves it, and he could just come out
[4:47:21] Speaker 1: of the closet and admit that it's okay to be trans.
[4:47:24] Speaker 1: It's okay to be attracted to trans people. It's okay
[4:47:26] Speaker 1: to be gay, It's okay to be who you are.
[4:47:28] Speaker 1: Stop hating yourself. Thomas says, don't use the misprint Muslim
[4:47:33] Speaker 1: Bible justin it has contradictions. Of course it does. I
[4:47:36] Speaker 1: forgot about that. I would love to know where I
[4:47:39] Speaker 1: can get the misprint Muslim Bible. I'd love to have
[4:47:42] Speaker 1: a copy for myself. Jason says, has anyone ever been
[4:47:46] Speaker 1: this disliked here? I don't know, Jason. I think he
[4:47:50] Speaker 1: is maybe worse than Hadassa. I would put him at
[4:47:54] Speaker 1: the bottom. What do you think, do you gold.
[4:47:57] Speaker 10: No, is pretty bad. But she's kind of quick burnout though, so.
[4:48:01] Speaker 1: But she's entertaining at least.
[4:48:04] Speaker 10: Yeah, he was just an ass man. Yeah, I give
[4:48:07] Speaker 10: you that, all right.
[4:48:08] Speaker 1: Cale says, do you think a sentinel I'm sorry, a
[4:48:11] Speaker 1: sentient AI would be a good thing? New I don't
[4:48:14] Speaker 1: want sentient AI. I also don't know if it's possible
[4:48:17] Speaker 1: at this point, but we'll see about that. I don't
[4:48:21] Speaker 1: think it would be a good thing. I don't good
[4:48:23] Speaker 1: question though. Carrie says, Christian nationalists haven't read the Bible
[4:48:26] Speaker 1: or the Constitution, they are anti American period. I agree
[4:48:30] Speaker 1: with you, Carrie, thank you for the nine nine nine
[4:48:31] Speaker 1: super chat. If you haven't read the Bible, you have
[4:48:34] Speaker 1: no business being a Christian nationalist. If you haven't read
[4:48:38] Speaker 1: the writings of the founding Fathers, you have no business
[4:48:40] Speaker 1: being a Christian nationalist. He's not read either. He heard
[4:48:44] Speaker 1: some guy talking about it on the YouTube, and now
[4:48:47] Speaker 1: he's smart. Jason says, today I learned a surveillance state
[4:48:51] Speaker 1: is the best date. I think you're referring to the
[4:48:55] Speaker 1: idea that people being watched behave better and that might
[4:48:59] Speaker 1: be true. True, that might be true. I haven't run
[4:49:04] Speaker 1: the test, but I would believe it. Camera guy says,
[4:49:06] Speaker 1: spoke with you and Sarah last week. Asked you to
[4:49:09] Speaker 1: let them speak longer so I could learn being a
[4:49:12] Speaker 1: rookie after further review. Never mind, sorry, camera guy, listen,
[4:49:21] Speaker 1: Camera guy. It was a good request, like, rather than
[4:49:24] Speaker 1: short circuiting the bad arguments, just let them get the
[4:49:27] Speaker 1: bad argument out and then tell them why. It's horrific.
[4:49:30] Speaker 1: But it's the more you let them talk, the worse
[4:49:33] Speaker 1: it gets, you know what I mean? And Jimmy says,
[4:49:36] Speaker 1: Happy Saturday from Australia. Well, happy Saturday. To you, friend
[4:49:39] Speaker 1: and Goddess of Rebels. Hell yeah, thank you for sending
[4:49:42] Speaker 1: out five Deconstruction Zone gifted memberships. It's super generous. And
[4:49:46] Speaker 1: w to everyone who got them, and w to Goddess Meg.
[4:49:50] Speaker 1: Good to see you. Friend, says I know all kinds
[4:49:52] Speaker 1: of Bible shit because I listened to Justice. I do
[4:49:56] Speaker 1: appreciate that, Meg. The goal is to learn here, that's
[4:49:58] Speaker 1: what we want. We listen. Readers are leaders. We're gonna
[4:50:01] Speaker 1: get smarter. Tiff says, to piss off a few more Christians,
[4:50:05] Speaker 1: praise the Almighty Doug Shale. Doug, may the courts be
[4:50:10] Speaker 1: with you. Tiff, thank you for the six sixty six
[4:50:12] Speaker 1: additional I appreciate that. And Colin says, do you think
[4:50:16] Speaker 1: the higher number of atheist members of the queer community
[4:50:19] Speaker 1: is due to Christian hate or is it more nuanced
[4:50:21] Speaker 1: than that great content? I don't know if I have
[4:50:23] Speaker 1: an answer for that question. If I had to wager,
[4:50:28] Speaker 1: i'd rather hear Dogau's answer. But if I had to wager,
[4:50:31] Speaker 1: I would say because at some point they realized that
[4:50:37] Speaker 1: like you have to hate yourself to be a Christian.
[4:50:42] Speaker 10: It comes from a lot from being ostracized a lot
[4:50:45] Speaker 10: from your family and people around you because of the religion.
[4:50:49] Speaker 10: It does make you have a little bit more of
[4:50:51] Speaker 10: an outside perspective of it as opposed to being ingrained
[4:50:56] Speaker 10: in it. It does sometimes have that effect, I should say.
[4:51:02] Speaker 10: But yeah, ultimately it just has to do with the
[4:51:05] Speaker 10: fact that people take those verses wrong and they apply
[4:51:08] Speaker 10: it to extreme bigotry and hatred, and it causes a
[4:51:11] Speaker 10: lot of people to turn away.
[4:51:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, it really does. And if you're a member of
[4:51:17] Speaker 1: the LGBTQ community and you're reading the book and the
[4:51:20] Speaker 1: God hates hates people like you, I mean, how inclined
[4:51:24] Speaker 1: are you to read the book and be like, oh, well,
[4:51:26] Speaker 1: this is a loving God and I should follow.
[4:51:28] Speaker 10: It, especially when the people around you are telling you
[4:51:32] Speaker 10: they hate you because of it.
[4:51:33] Speaker 1: Yes, yes, precisely, Like you're not going to be like
[4:51:38] Speaker 1: predisposed to look at the book and be like, oh, yeah,
[4:51:41] Speaker 1: this is from God. That's kind of that's a crazy take.
[4:51:46] Speaker 1: Let me grab I got four more, five more super chats,
[4:51:49] Speaker 1: and then I got to cut the stream before five o'clock.
[4:51:51] Speaker 1: Richard Johnson, great name, by the way, thank you for
[4:51:54] Speaker 1: the twelve dollars, says hey, excellent work on roasting that
[4:51:56] Speaker 1: little goblin back there. I consider myself a myth it,
[4:52:00] Speaker 1: Why am I wrong? I don't think Josephus and TESSAs
[4:52:04] Speaker 1: are trustworthy as they are born after Christ lived. Well,
[4:52:08] Speaker 1: I think Josephus and Testas are pretty trustworthy in what
[4:52:11] Speaker 1: they write. I mean, they do say things that are
[4:52:13] Speaker 1: sometimes mythical, like they talk about Hercules or Vespasian healing
[4:52:17] Speaker 1: people or emperors becoming gods, so like, I don't believe
[4:52:20] Speaker 1: the mythology, but they're other than that, they're pretty trustworthy.
[4:52:23] Speaker 1: That being said, like if you're saying that Jesus didn't
[4:52:27] Speaker 1: exist simply because people that lived exactly the same time
[4:52:31] Speaker 1: as him didn't write about him, I don't think that's
[4:52:34] Speaker 1: a good like a good bar to set because it's
[4:52:37] Speaker 1: not true of like anybody in history. Very few people
[4:52:40] Speaker 1: except for like maybe among some of the Greeks. In
[4:52:44] Speaker 1: early Romans had a lot of literature that was written
[4:52:47] Speaker 1: by them, and we have manuscripts that date back to
[4:52:50] Speaker 1: their time period from people that lived with them. The
[4:52:53] Speaker 1: reality is, like you would have to get rid of
[4:52:56] Speaker 1: all the writings of Paul, You'd have to get rid
[4:52:58] Speaker 1: of all the writings of the New Testament. You have
[4:53:00] Speaker 1: to find a way to wish away all of the
[4:53:02] Speaker 1: New Testament writings. And as far as I can tell,
[4:53:04] Speaker 1: the New Testament writings appear to be authentic. A lot
[4:53:08] Speaker 1: of them authentic letters. Not all of them, obviously, but
[4:53:11] Speaker 1: some of them seem to be authentic. If you read
[4:53:13] Speaker 1: the writings of Paul's authentic letters, they don't make sense
[4:53:16] Speaker 1: unless Paul was a real person. Nobody is going to
[4:53:19] Speaker 1: go and make up the nonsense that Paul was writing about,
[4:53:23] Speaker 1: and if somebody did, nobody would read this shit, because like,
[4:53:25] Speaker 1: who the fuck is Paul and why do we care?
[4:53:28] Speaker 1: So I just I don't think mythicism is a good position,
[4:53:32] Speaker 1: because you have to get rid of the entire New
[4:53:35] Speaker 1: Testament to hold on to mythicism, and I just think
[4:53:38] Speaker 1: it's a bad precedence. Nothing in the New Testament makes
[4:53:40] Speaker 1: sense if Jesus didn't exist, and nobody would write all that,
[4:53:45] Speaker 1: nobody would make all that nonsense up if he didn't exist.
[4:53:49] Speaker 1: Goddess says, a huge part of why I deconstruct it
[4:53:52] Speaker 1: is because I don't want my kids growing up around
[4:53:55] Speaker 1: adults who spew this hateful, sexist, homophobic shit. Love your channel.
[4:53:59] Speaker 1: My husband and I have been listening almost every day.
[4:54:01] Speaker 1: Well shit, thank you Gods. I appreciate that. And that
[4:54:04] Speaker 1: is one of the most negative side effects of the
[4:54:07] Speaker 1: religious bullshit is that it causes you to be a
[4:54:10] Speaker 1: hateful person. It gives you a license and a warrant
[4:54:13] Speaker 1: to hate other people, people that we should be showing
[4:54:16] Speaker 1: love and respect to. Onyx coming in again, says I
[4:54:20] Speaker 1: would would love to drink, but addictions runs in the family,
[4:54:24] Speaker 1: and don't want to become my dad. Don't do that. Listen, guys,
[4:54:28] Speaker 1: I love a good whiskey, I love a good rum,
[4:54:31] Speaker 1: but listen to me. If you can't handle your drink,
[4:54:35] Speaker 1: don't drink. Please, please don't drink. It's not worth it.
[4:54:38] Speaker 1: Like alcohol can be delicious, but it's not so fun
[4:54:42] Speaker 1: that you should. You should danger yourself. Don't danger yourself
[4:54:45] Speaker 1: with alcohol. It's not worth it. And if you can't
[4:54:47] Speaker 1: take one drink and walk away, don't take any drinks ever.
[4:54:50] Speaker 1: Kyle says, oh, I wonder if it would be possible
[4:54:53] Speaker 1: to debate in AI. I've done it twice where people
[4:54:57] Speaker 1: came in with AI and tried to debate me. Using
[4:54:59] Speaker 1: AI never ends well, never ends well, but all's deepity
[4:55:05] Speaker 1: says bit late, but I'm looking forward to watching you cook.
[4:55:07] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, but all I'm actually ending. I got one
[4:55:09] Speaker 1: more super chest and I got to end the stream.
[4:55:11] Speaker 1: We're gonna go raid somebody else. Which while I'm doing that, guys,
[4:55:14] Speaker 1: who's live right now that we can go raid? Onyx
[4:55:17] Speaker 1: says personally, I'm by myself. Well, big w Onyx for
[4:55:21] Speaker 1: being honest with yourself. Don't let anyone chastise you and
[4:55:26] Speaker 1: think that you shouldn't be authentic, be your authentic self.
[4:55:32] Speaker 1: Is Joel live? Joel's live right now? Hell yeah, all right,
[4:55:36] Speaker 1: give me a second. We're gonna go raid Joel's live
[4:55:40] Speaker 1: on TikTok and on YouTube.
[4:55:42] Speaker 2: So I'm gonna pull it it.
[4:55:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, go ahead, b Yeah.
[4:55:47] Speaker 10: Rabbi Hannah and I have a monthly special that we
[4:55:50] Speaker 10: started doing two months ago. We're having our third one
[4:55:52] Speaker 10: on the twenty seventh at I think one pm Eastern uh.
[4:55:57] Speaker 10: It's called an atheist or rab and a priest walk
[4:56:00] Speaker 10: into alive and we discuss the Biblical text with believers
[4:56:06] Speaker 10: the clergy. We try to get Rabbihana either her brother
[4:56:10] Speaker 10: or father mark as the priest, and then maybe one
[4:56:13] Speaker 10: other clergy if we can ever get hold of him
[4:56:14] Speaker 10: from another to nom to come in and talk to
[4:56:17] Speaker 10: their believers honestly about what the texts actually say and
[4:56:21] Speaker 10: what they actually mean. And we've done it twice now.
[4:56:24] Speaker 10: It's been a lot of fun.
[4:56:25] Speaker 1: I'd love to be there for that. Okay, guys, make
[4:56:28] Speaker 1: sure you're following Dougald on TikTok. I don't miss these conversations.
[4:56:32] Speaker 1: They're going to be awesome. Also because Dogald's a friend
[4:56:37] Speaker 1: of mine and he's awesome. Now we're gonna send a
[4:56:40] Speaker 1: big old Doug raid. Joel is a new convert Dougism.
[4:56:44] Speaker 1: So let's go raid. Joel reads Bible. The channel is
[4:56:48] Speaker 1: Joel reads Bible on TikTok and YouTube. Joel reads Bible.
[4:56:53] Speaker 1: Tell them Doug sent you. Tellim praise be Doug. Doug,
[4:56:55] Speaker 1: bless you. Doug has sent us here to bless you,
[4:56:59] Speaker 1: and I'll see you over there shortly. Friends, I'll stop
[4:57:02] Speaker 1: in and say hi from Doug as well. Thank you
[4:57:04] Speaker 1: so much for Beinger. Thank you for everyone who's supported,
[4:57:07] Speaker 1: Thank you everyone who liked and shared and commented. The
[4:57:10] Speaker 1: more you participate in the comments, actually, the more YouTube
[4:57:13] Speaker 1: and TikTok sends it out. So the more participation we
[4:57:17] Speaker 1: have with the live, the more people actually get to
[4:57:19] Speaker 1: see the live. Thank you to all the mods. Thank
[4:57:21] Speaker 1: you Dougauld for joining me. I really appreciate that, friend.
[4:57:24] Speaker 10: Thanks for letting me hang out, buddy.
[4:57:26] Speaker 1: Absolutely, and we had one more late coming super chat.
[4:57:30] Speaker 1: I got to read this and then I'm out, Colonel
[4:57:32] Speaker 1: of Colonel, Colonel, Well it's colonel, but it's spoke Kamwine
[4:57:37] Speaker 1: because English is stupid. Thank you for the t superchest.
[4:57:40] Speaker 1: It says, imagine how nice the world would be if
[4:57:42] Speaker 1: Christian in cells would just admit to themselves that they
[4:57:45] Speaker 1: want a tur gig dandy do in their mouth. I've
[4:57:49] Speaker 1: never heard it called that in their mouth in perpetual
[4:57:53] Speaker 1: two messence for my lord and say, if you're doug
[4:57:57] Speaker 1: this is a good use of words. I appreciate that,
[4:58:00] Speaker 1: and listen. It would be a better place if they
[4:58:03] Speaker 1: would stop hating themselves and just come to grips with reality.
[4:58:07] Speaker 1: I think you've probably seen the statistics when the RNC
[4:58:09] Speaker 1: gets together like grinder crashes.
[4:58:13] Speaker 10: Yep. Well they should get a grip on something, whether
[4:58:15] Speaker 10: it's reality or.
[4:58:18] Speaker 1: With that, and with that, we're out. Thank you so much.

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