# Meet Doug Johnson & Jamie Hubbard: Master Breeders of Clussexx Clumber Spaniels - Part 2

An episode of [Better Breeder Chronicles](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1831875614), 31 Mar 2026, 1 h 28 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/1081582f0/podcast/play/117717190/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-2-31%2F421089296-44100-2-a7f8e2d154e4f.mp3

Doug Johnson & Jamie Hubbard of the world-renowned Clussexx Kennel return for Part 2 of our conversation, and this time, they challenge everything you think you think about about how to breed purebred dogs successfully in the future. In this episode, Doug and Jamie share decades of hard-earned insight on what it truly takes to build a sustainable, future-proof breeding program in today’s world, and impact your breed long after your last litter is born. You’ll discover: • Why exclusivity is destroying bloodlines and collaboration is now essential • The pricing mistake that keeps breeders stuck and undervalued • Why getting burned is inevitable (& fine) and actually part of long-term success • How to ensure your breeding program survives beyond your lifetime • The truth about mentorship and why most breeders are skipping it 👉 Watch Part 2 now and rethink how you breed, elevate, and succeed Timestamps: 02:15 Persistence and breeder mindset 03:27 Collaboration vs competition 08:08 Shrinking genepools 09:11 Cultural shift in breeding 12:30 Contracts vs Trust in breeding 14:43 Risks and relationships in breeding 18:16 Rising costs and logistics 22:08 Profit stigma in purebred dog breeding 27:55 Dog show quantity and quality 30:13 Tiered dog show system idea 33:21 Learning and breeder education 36:16 Visiting successful kennels 37:01 Learning from handlers 38:33 Attending (National?) specialty shows 41:29 Handler dedication and preparation 43:12 Learning from high volume kennels 45:23 AKC events and distractions 47:50 Grand Championship program impact 52:47 Value of purebred dogs 57:52 Promoting purebred dogs 1:00:23 Educating puppy buyers 1:04:06 Breeder focus and legacy 1:08:47 Finding successors in breeding 1:15:17 Mentoring and education gaps 1:18:59 Courage to seek mentors 1:20:22 Choosing the right judges 1:23:01 Mentorship vs willingness to learn #PurebredDogs #BetterBreederChronicles #PreservationBreeder #ConservationBreeder #AKCdogshows #DougJohnson #JamieHubbard #ClussexxKennel #ClussexxClumberSpaniels #ClumberSpaniel #ClumberSpanielBreeders #SussexSpaniel #WelshSpringerSpaniel #EnglishToySpaniel #DogBreedingStrategy #DogBreedingCollaboration #WestminsteWinners #WestminsterDogShow

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