# THE UNSEEN TRAP OF OUR LEADERSHIP CRISIS

An episode of [Apostle Lazarus Femi](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1824778006), 25 May 2026, 1 h 15 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Do you reading Americans in the business of helping people.
[0:03] Speaker 1: The Americans only care about one thing, America and Americans first,
[0:09] Speaker 1: the American people.
[0:11] Speaker 2: American interest.
[0:12] Speaker 3: Jude Bella, with over two hundred thousand YouTube subscribers, an
[0:16] Speaker 3: independent filmmaker and investigative journalist who's obsessive, months long deep
[0:21] Speaker 3: dives into African history, geopolitics, and corruption have built him
[0:26] Speaker 3: a reputation as one of the most rigorous and cinematic
[0:30] Speaker 3: storytellers covering the continent.
[0:32] Speaker 4: Today, we are having a case where even the ute
[0:35] Speaker 4: are saying, whatever it is the one to still let
[0:37] Speaker 4: them come.
[0:38] Speaker 2: I help people dying.
[0:40] Speaker 1: If you've not experienced this before, you would think the
[0:43] Speaker 1: people calling for the intervention of the Americans, you think
[0:47] Speaker 1: they are foolish. I don't think they're foolish. Yeah, and
[0:51] Speaker 1: like you rightly said, pain can drive people to do
[0:55] Speaker 1: anything just.
[0:56] Speaker 2: To come out of this. Yeah, horrible situation.
[0:59] Speaker 1: But what we are saying is that their pain is
[1:03] Speaker 1: real and we understand the pain.
[1:06] Speaker 2: We feel it.
[1:06] Speaker 1: There are country people, but at the same time, we
[1:10] Speaker 1: shouldn't hand over our home to someone we know they'll destroy.
[1:15] Speaker 1: Our leaders are not doing well. They don't care about
[1:17] Speaker 1: the security of the people they are leading. Ye, people
[1:20] Speaker 1: dying have become mess statistics to life. The same thing
[1:25] Speaker 1: will repeat whoever is placed in power by the Americans.
[1:29] Speaker 4: Do you think poverty has been weapon nice to be
[1:32] Speaker 4: people so weak and the reason why the government on
[1:35] Speaker 4: the respect, Yes, we.
[1:37] Speaker 1: Did an episode in Natural Access and we spoke to
[1:42] Speaker 1: some people there. While working on the streets, I suffers
[1:46] Speaker 1: hand how people were practically struggling to eat as for
[1:50] Speaker 1: food to survive. For such people, my question is if
[1:54] Speaker 1: a politician comes around and offer them just five thousand
[1:58] Speaker 1: to do anything for them, Yeah, how do you prevent
[2:02] Speaker 1: them from doing that? The northern part of Nigeria has
[2:04] Speaker 1: the highest number of school dropouts or.
[2:07] Speaker 2: People that haven't even been to school before.
[2:09] Speaker 1: Poverty is not only being weaponized the Nigerian leaders. In
[2:13] Speaker 1: Nigerian elites then know that they need to keep people
[2:17] Speaker 1: poor for them to maintain their power. So it is
[2:21] Speaker 1: like we have an industry an economy of poverty.
[2:25] Speaker 4: You're saying that as long as there's poverty, people can
[2:28] Speaker 4: be weaponized and poverty will creative soldiers. Yes, I can
[2:33] Speaker 4: be used to fight any kind of war, religious, socio
[2:36] Speaker 4: economic world.
[2:36] Speaker 2: Yes, do you think that's what's happening not it is.
[2:39] Speaker 1: In security in Nigeria is now more economic than ideological.
[3:00] Speaker 4: You to the Classified podcast, myself and my team who've
[3:03] Speaker 4: been working so hard behind the scene to get different
[3:07] Speaker 4: intellectual conversations across you. We know that these conversations were
[3:12] Speaker 4: from the basis for what will change our world as
[3:15] Speaker 4: we know it because words from narratives. Narratives shape culture
[3:20] Speaker 4: and this is the reason why I want to invite
[3:21] Speaker 4: you to join you on this journey, not just as
[3:23] Speaker 4: one who is going to view this today. I want
[3:26] Speaker 4: to have you on board with me and I like
[3:28] Speaker 4: for you to just do these very quick things for me.
[3:31] Speaker 4: Number one, I like for you to like this particular
[3:34] Speaker 4: podcast you know, don't just watch, just like I want
[3:37] Speaker 4: to do that for me. And when you do this,
[3:39] Speaker 4: the algorithm things is to as many pople as possible
[3:42] Speaker 4: who can now have access to enjoy the very same
[3:44] Speaker 4: thing you enjoy. Also, I like for you to comment,
[3:47] Speaker 4: let's know how this has impacted you think, to learn
[3:49] Speaker 4: and sometimes just your own view. And I like for
[3:52] Speaker 4: you to also subscribe on this YouTube channel, like for
[3:54] Speaker 4: us to grow together as a community. I look forward
[3:58] Speaker 4: to having you again and again on the Classified podcast
[4:01] Speaker 4: and I can wait to see you some other time.
[4:03] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[4:12] Speaker 4: You're someone that doesn't need introduction, but for those who
[4:15] Speaker 4: are interested in geopolitical conversations and matters around Africa and
[4:23] Speaker 4: even Ninier, your voice has been loud over the past
[4:28] Speaker 4: few years. So when I look at someone like you,
[4:31] Speaker 4: one of the first questions that comes to my mind
[4:33] Speaker 4: is why did you start these conversations?
[4:37] Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me. Thank you.
[4:40] Speaker 1: I've also followed your work than the way you came
[4:48] Speaker 1: into mainstream media or something. We really appreciate those short
[4:52] Speaker 1: videos telling those things that yeah, people were scared too.
[4:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, it was quite interesting, amazing.
[5:01] Speaker 1: Talking about why I decided to get into these conversations
[5:05] Speaker 1: that I'm pushing online, it has to do first forward accountability. Yeah, yeah,
[5:12] Speaker 1: justice and accountability. These are two things that are very
[5:15] Speaker 1: important to me and based on my personal experience with
[5:21] Speaker 1: a law enforcement agency in Nigeria, the Economic and Financial
[5:25] Speaker 1: Crimes Commission, I decided to get involved and see if
[5:30] Speaker 1: we can spoil these conversations to push the authorities to
[5:36] Speaker 1: hold leaders accountable. And we Nigerians also have to fulfill
[5:41] Speaker 1: our civic duties which are bringing these conversations to the
[5:45] Speaker 1: faue because it's more than just going now to vote
[5:49] Speaker 1: for leaders. We need to hold those leaders accountable because
[5:53] Speaker 1: at the end of the day, the politician is an
[5:56] Speaker 1: employee of the states and we are the states taxpayers.
[6:00] Speaker 2: Are they want paying their salaries, So they don't see
[6:04] Speaker 2: it like that. Many of them don't feel.
[6:06] Speaker 1: Their Yeah, of course we have turned don't turned politicians
[6:11] Speaker 1: into sort of celebrities, which is not supposed to be.
[6:15] Speaker 1: They are if anything, they are our employees. So I
[6:21] Speaker 1: don't think it's their fault. It's Nigerian's faults. We made
[6:25] Speaker 1: it that way. We sort of give them too much power.
[6:30] Speaker 4: Yeah, well, some people feeling you don't give them the
[6:34] Speaker 4: power or grab it anyways, mm.
[6:37] Speaker 1: Hmmm, I don't think so. The the number one problem
[6:41] Speaker 1: I see in Nigerian politics and governance issue is that
[6:48] Speaker 1: our politicians are not afraid of us. If put the
[6:53] Speaker 1: living fear of God in them, and what I mean
[6:56] Speaker 1: by that, you should understand if they are afraid of
[7:00] Speaker 1: Nigerian people, there is no way precedent will carry five
[7:05] Speaker 1: billion to go buy yards when he had just removed
[7:09] Speaker 1: fuel subsidy and people are crying for hunger crying for
[7:14] Speaker 1: rise and transportation costs. There's no way a new leader
[7:18] Speaker 1: that is afraid of what these people will do will
[7:21] Speaker 1: carry money and spend on luxury. You know how more
[7:25] Speaker 1: spent on the renovation of the Vice president House over
[7:29] Speaker 1: twenty one million or billionaire I currently get the figures right.
[7:36] Speaker 1: So you spend that amount of money when you are
[7:40] Speaker 1: not afraid of the people you are governing, if you
[7:43] Speaker 1: know that this money can build hospitals for them, it
[7:49] Speaker 1: can spore the economy if invested in the right sectors.
[7:53] Speaker 2: The Nigerian people.
[7:55] Speaker 1: Right now, this is twenty twenty six, there is no
[7:58] Speaker 1: where you go in Nigeria right now, No states you
[8:00] Speaker 1: go to I can boost of four days of uninterrupted
[8:04] Speaker 1: power supply, not even.
[8:06] Speaker 2: Before Yes, which state can boast of one? Not even
[8:10] Speaker 2: the federal capital. No, definitely no.
[8:14] Speaker 1: So if people in the f city are so comfortable
[8:17] Speaker 1: with living twenty four hours, sometimes they have lights up
[8:21] Speaker 1: to like ten hours, that's all. And then they see
[8:26] Speaker 1: the president's son riding in a long motor kit. Yeah,
[8:31] Speaker 1: the president's son is not even an office you know that. Yeah,
[8:35] Speaker 1: I don't even think we have office of the first
[8:36] Speaker 1: Lady DOWI there is nothing like that. It doesn't add
[8:40] Speaker 1: anything to the Nigerian economy. Yet taxpayers money are being
[8:44] Speaker 1: used to fund this luxurious lifestyle because they are not
[8:49] Speaker 1: afraid of the Nigerians.
[8:50] Speaker 4: So if we're going to talk about the fact that
[8:52] Speaker 4: they're not afraid of Nigerians, we probably won't look at
[8:58] Speaker 4: it like this that maybe Nigerians have lost their respect
[9:01] Speaker 4: as far as these guys are concerned. I have this
[9:04] Speaker 4: guy that I like so much online and the father
[9:09] Speaker 4: used to be an extual governor I think somewhere quite
[9:12] Speaker 4: very cerebral, very sound, amazing man. And one time he
[9:17] Speaker 4: was being insulted and that your father was part of
[9:22] Speaker 4: those who destroyed this nation, and he said, well, my
[9:25] Speaker 4: father was destroying this nation. He used the world your
[9:28] Speaker 4: pathetic parent where they're shouting or gammy for some change.
[9:32] Speaker 2: Do you think poverty has been weapon nice.
[9:34] Speaker 4: To pe people so weak and the reason why the
[9:37] Speaker 4: government don't respect them?
[9:40] Speaker 1: Yes, I think it. Last year or two years ago,
[9:46] Speaker 1: we did an episode in is It the Natural An
[9:53] Speaker 1: I can't remember the name of the community exactly, and
[9:57] Speaker 1: we spoke to some people there while working on the streets.
[10:01] Speaker 1: I suffers hand how people were practically struggling to eat.
[10:07] Speaker 2: That's for food to survive, deliberates.
[10:10] Speaker 1: Yes, we have mothers with three children, one infant, sitting
[10:16] Speaker 1: in the middle of the road begging for food. So
[10:21] Speaker 1: while me and my team we went into the market
[10:23] Speaker 1: to get some things to share for them. Before we
[10:27] Speaker 1: could open this sack we brought, they rushed us. So
[10:34] Speaker 1: for such people, my question is if a politician comes
[10:38] Speaker 1: around and offer them just five thousand to do anything
[10:43] Speaker 1: for them, Yeah, how do you prevent them from doing that?
[10:49] Speaker 1: And then there's another thing here education. If you go
[10:54] Speaker 1: to the north, the northern part of Nigeria has the
[10:59] Speaker 1: highest number of school dropouts or people that haven't even
[11:02] Speaker 1: been to school before. Right, so when we talk about
[11:06] Speaker 1: out of school children, it's merely statistic to some people. Right,
[11:13] Speaker 1: you don't really understand what it means until you see it.
[11:17] Speaker 1: So take, for example, a child is born today to
[11:23] Speaker 1: northern family. I won't call it a family because they
[11:26] Speaker 1: are not a family in the sense of the world.
[11:30] Speaker 1: So the child is born today and give it a year.
[11:35] Speaker 1: He now has a sister, two of them, and they
[11:38] Speaker 1: are left with just their mother, who has no business.
[11:42] Speaker 1: They didn't go to school to fend for them. Then
[11:47] Speaker 1: she sends two of them to the road side to
[11:49] Speaker 1: beg for food. They stay on that road side from
[11:52] Speaker 1: maybe from the age of two, three four, They're already
[11:55] Speaker 1: there and that is the life the child knows until
[11:58] Speaker 1: he turns eighteen.
[12:00] Speaker 2: Mmm.
[12:02] Speaker 1: Now that age of eighteen, he is now a man
[12:04] Speaker 1: to find for himself. He has never been to school.
[12:08] Speaker 1: All he knows is begging. And now someone comes and say,
[12:13] Speaker 1: take this weapon. Let's stand on this road some people
[12:17] Speaker 1: who pass, who collect something from them and sell and
[12:20] Speaker 1: make more money. Isn't that going to be enticing to him?
[12:25] Speaker 1: Now imagine this. This someone that is coming now is
[12:29] Speaker 1: a politician driving a car they had never seen before.
[12:34] Speaker 1: And then the politician comes with armed policemen and long
[12:39] Speaker 1: motor kid and tells them all they needed to do
[12:43] Speaker 1: was to make sure in the commun election he wins
[12:47] Speaker 1: the office. So poverty is not only being weaponized the
[12:52] Speaker 1: Nigerian leaders. The Nigerian elites then know that they need
[12:56] Speaker 1: to keep people poor for them to maintain their power.
[13:01] Speaker 1: So it is like we have an industry an economy
[13:06] Speaker 1: of poverty.
[13:07] Speaker 2: So it is that we are we are.
[13:09] Speaker 4: It's an industry on yes, So if I understand your
[13:12] Speaker 4: two you're saying that as long as there's poverty, people
[13:15] Speaker 4: can be weaponized, and poverty will creative soldiers. Yes, that
[13:20] Speaker 4: can be used to fight any kind of war, religious,
[13:23] Speaker 4: socio economic world.
[13:24] Speaker 2: Do you think that's what is happening than not? It is?
[13:28] Speaker 1: It is insecurity in Nigeria is now more economic than ideological.
[13:35] Speaker 1: This more economic than ideological. So if you look at
[13:40] Speaker 1: how Book recruits. Now, I'm not going to go into
[13:44] Speaker 1: so much details because this is a security we are
[13:46] Speaker 1: discussing now. But according to research for carried out over
[13:50] Speaker 1: the years, the Book of arm when they come to recruits,
[13:54] Speaker 1: they don't just attack any community. The attack communities that
[13:59] Speaker 1: they have lived in. They are studied and they see
[14:02] Speaker 1: the lack of governance, the lack of presence of any
[14:06] Speaker 1: means of government agency. Some of these people don't even
[14:09] Speaker 1: have police. Do I call it area commands or whatever.
[14:14] Speaker 1: There's no presence of any sort of area council, no leadership,
[14:20] Speaker 1: you know now all we have before Now I think
[14:23] Speaker 1: during the time of a passenger, we used to have
[14:26] Speaker 1: the government chairman, council wards, counselors and counselors. Now you
[14:32] Speaker 1: go to communities in the no there's nothing like that.
[14:35] Speaker 2: Have lived not before. No, Okay, I agree with that,
[14:39] Speaker 2: So let understand what you're saying.
[14:41] Speaker 1: Okay, I think my father serves there for a year
[14:44] Speaker 1: and I stayed there a few weeks. Yeah, but you
[14:48] Speaker 1: go to communities like that that have no presence of
[14:51] Speaker 1: the government, then this book coming. You know, you are
[14:54] Speaker 1: communities right now, the book around collect taxes from Oh, definitely,
[14:58] Speaker 1: they make laws for this people. So when they came
[15:02] Speaker 1: in first time, they started teaching them, right, they came
[15:07] Speaker 1: in the name of teaching them with the religious religion.
[15:11] Speaker 1: And then it became something in from of a school.
[15:14] Speaker 1: So they started recruiting young people. Yes, and then they
[15:18] Speaker 1: started offering steepens money.
[15:22] Speaker 2: And these people are poor.
[15:23] Speaker 1: Remember the anowledge I gave you earlier for a child
[15:26] Speaker 1: that has known nothing but baking on the streets. Now
[15:28] Speaker 1: you have a group coming to keep them together as
[15:32] Speaker 1: a community, teaching them, offering them steepens, and then it
[15:36] Speaker 1: progresses to giving them arms. Now they're being radicalized, carrying
[15:41] Speaker 1: out all sorts of crime. And mind you, Bocaram is
[15:45] Speaker 1: not just in the business of bombing places.
[15:48] Speaker 2: No, they sell drugs.
[15:51] Speaker 1: They're involved in arm trafficking, human trafficking, even the illegal
[15:58] Speaker 1: good minding that we care about. I saw reports was
[16:03] Speaker 1: it early dismannd ed it last month that the government
[16:06] Speaker 1: is naming Chinese companies as part of people sponsoring I
[16:11] Speaker 1: llegal mining. If they go to a community like one
[16:15] Speaker 1: in the north now and you see foreigners offering these
[16:19] Speaker 1: people money, people are just hustling to survive, survive.
[16:23] Speaker 4: I saw a report that there's been over been able
[16:26] Speaker 4: to mine over three billion dollars worth of gold and
[16:29] Speaker 4: a particular of that community between twenty nineteen and twenty
[16:32] Speaker 4: twenty five.
[16:32] Speaker 2: It should be more. That's the are goed that is
[16:36] Speaker 2: only reported, that's only reported.
[16:38] Speaker 4: Yes, you believe that in the areas that we have
[16:42] Speaker 4: extreme insecurity that the mining activity is going on.
[16:46] Speaker 2: Yes, it is the main reason. You believe it is
[16:48] Speaker 2: the main reason. It is the main reason.
[16:51] Speaker 1: Now, when this legal mining started, I think it was
[16:56] Speaker 1: post two thousand and eight financial crisis when gold started
[17:01] Speaker 1: picking up again. There was even an incident I think
[17:05] Speaker 1: around twenty fourteen that happened in Zamfara of lead poisoning.
[17:10] Speaker 1: We did a video about it two weeks ago. Right,
[17:14] Speaker 1: was it little to water? No good mining? Okay, So
[17:19] Speaker 1: this community, they were involved in this arsenal mining. But
[17:25] Speaker 1: then the gold in Zamfara, that particular community has high
[17:30] Speaker 1: concentrate of lead. Lead lady's poisonous to the human body.
[17:34] Speaker 1: But these people, they don't know anything, so they just
[17:38] Speaker 1: brought this gold sound to your compound, to your living
[17:42] Speaker 1: quarters and were using your bare hands, using locally fabricated tools,
[17:48] Speaker 1: your shovels, in fact somewhere using grind local grinding machine
[17:53] Speaker 1: they used to do your normal grinds of food and
[17:56] Speaker 1: to process these things. So they now mixed with your
[18:01] Speaker 1: food and children died. I think close to four hundred
[18:05] Speaker 1: children died of leg poison, the highest in record in
[18:10] Speaker 1: human history at the time. And then when this happened,
[18:15] Speaker 1: doctors without borders were the ones that discovered it and
[18:19] Speaker 1: remediation efforts were carried out. Both after this incident happened,
[18:26] Speaker 1: already we had cases of bookwaram at that time twenty
[18:30] Speaker 1: fourteen writers. These armed groups now discovered that this land
[18:36] Speaker 1: that they're fighting people killing people over is rich with gold.
[18:40] Speaker 1: So their attention switched from may kidnapping people and killing
[18:45] Speaker 1: people into securing this land.
[18:47] Speaker 4: So are you saying that bookworms started like a religious
[18:50] Speaker 4: ideology then moved to economical ideology.
[18:55] Speaker 2: We have we have factions now. Yes, so it.
[19:00] Speaker 1: Began, it began as a religious identity. And you believe, yes,
[19:04] Speaker 1: that is down back back in two thousand and two,
[19:07] Speaker 1: but now it's very much different.
[19:10] Speaker 2: Difference is very much different.
[19:12] Speaker 1: We have functions, We have the Eastwarp and the original Quorum, yes,
[19:15] Speaker 1: all of them. In fact, late last years Eliducia, they
[19:19] Speaker 1: were fighting themselves.
[19:22] Speaker 2: But yes, the STI cute people.
[19:25] Speaker 1: Yes, there are so many interests involved. It's not just
[19:29] Speaker 1: one thing, but the land, the places, they are your
[19:33] Speaker 1: kind of their attacks, they are mainly pursuing people away
[19:36] Speaker 1: from mineral rich regions. Also, you need to know that
[19:41] Speaker 1: when we talk about gold, Nigerias only know about gold minding.
[19:44] Speaker 1: Gold minding Nagia is very rich in lithium. Oh yes, lithium, yes,
[19:49] Speaker 1: and it is part of the minerals pouring this insecurity crisis.
[19:52] Speaker 1: The government is aware of this. They cannot and.
[19:55] Speaker 4: You believe that Western countries are of course collaborational time.
[20:01] Speaker 2: Not in collaboration. Chinese separately doing their stuff.
[20:05] Speaker 1: Yes, and the reason for this is you know China
[20:08] Speaker 1: right now controls they were minerals. Oh yes, Because of this,
[20:13] Speaker 1: the West is trying to build an alternative to China
[20:19] Speaker 1: because they cannot have themselves depend on China for rare
[20:23] Speaker 1: and why because of something called semiconductors. Yes, you are
[20:28] Speaker 1: needed for your work playing everything.
[20:31] Speaker 4: In fact, I heard a Chinese one of the leaders
[20:35] Speaker 4: said something, you know. He said, when America was going
[20:39] Speaker 4: to bomb behind with the B two bomber to bomb
[20:43] Speaker 4: their nuclear side, he said, they thought that nobody could
[20:48] Speaker 4: see the plane, because that's the idea of the B
[20:51] Speaker 4: two bomber. You can't detect it in the wad. He said,
[20:53] Speaker 4: We detected it. We even listening to the conversations in
[20:56] Speaker 4: the cockpit. And usually that happens when the red materials
[21:03] Speaker 4: that they use. Also that in the production I come
[21:06] Speaker 4: to Americans when it is not pure enough, okay. And
[21:08] Speaker 4: the reason why China controls it because they are the
[21:10] Speaker 4: ones that can purify to the level needed then for
[21:14] Speaker 4: you know, war heads and some of those stuffs and
[21:16] Speaker 4: all that.
[21:17] Speaker 2: And when we look at this, Africa looks like a
[21:22] Speaker 2: bull of cake.
[21:23] Speaker 4: But every part of the world is eating from except Africa,
[21:26] Speaker 4: except Africa.
[21:28] Speaker 2: Do you think Africa has friends? No, we don't. What
[21:33] Speaker 2: America is coming to apples.
[21:38] Speaker 1: Sorry, I would see that this question, But do you
[21:42] Speaker 1: really think Americans are in the business of helping people.
[21:45] Speaker 1: I don't know Americans. One, they are not Father Christmas.
[21:49] Speaker 1: In fact, they will tell you it is in the
[21:52] Speaker 1: language of your foreigner. Trump is a Christian, doesn't matter.
[21:56] Speaker 1: It needs to help Christians. Okay, Now here's the thing
[22:00] Speaker 1: Trump is, how do I do this? Okay, let me
[22:04] Speaker 1: leave the Trump to fast get to that. Okay, if
[22:08] Speaker 1: you look at the American foreign policy it is stated
[22:12] Speaker 1: there in black and white that it is in the
[22:16] Speaker 1: interest of the American American interest every precedent, whether Democrats Republican,
[22:25] Speaker 1: they live with this. Yes, if they deviate from American interests, they.
[22:31] Speaker 2: Will be impitched. Yeah.
[22:33] Speaker 1: So whether Trump is Christian or Muslim, or Pagan or Jewish,
[22:40] Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. If Trump is coming to Nigeria to
[22:44] Speaker 1: do anything, it is for the American interest. It is
[22:48] Speaker 1: not to help.
[22:49] Speaker 4: But now I want to say something quite honestly, and
[22:53] Speaker 4: these are some of the reviews I've got in Okay,
[22:55] Speaker 4: many Nigerians are saying and I think it is concerning and.
[22:59] Speaker 2: We really have to look at it. Okay.
[23:01] Speaker 4: If you guys are saying that Americans coming to they're
[23:04] Speaker 4: not having good interests of Nigerians in their art about
[23:08] Speaker 4: the leaders we've had all the years. If you say
[23:10] Speaker 4: America are going to come, still some of our resources
[23:14] Speaker 4: people are dying. What about the leaders that we have,
[23:17] Speaker 4: They're stolen more from us.
[23:18] Speaker 2: So let them come.
[23:19] Speaker 4: If you're going to control the entire nation, let them
[23:21] Speaker 4: control the entire nation. It will be safe. What do
[23:23] Speaker 4: you say to those kinds of statements?
[23:25] Speaker 1: And you will not be safe. And I'm not saying
[23:29] Speaker 1: these out of sentiments. In fact, most of these were
[23:33] Speaker 1: saying this and don't even know Trump. I have followed
[23:36] Speaker 1: Trump arrived from twenty twenty fifteen when he declared for
[23:42] Speaker 1: presidency first time. I was his strong Trump supporter. Oh wow, yes,
[23:48] Speaker 1: so I have followed his political journey. Right, Trump was
[23:52] Speaker 1: loved by the Democrats when he was not a politician.
[23:57] Speaker 1: So let's not even get into the Trump versus Democrats arguments. Yeah,
[24:03] Speaker 1: Trump is an American. What I want Nigerian's to understand
[24:07] Speaker 1: is something called sovereignty. Right, No, nobody should have the
[24:16] Speaker 1: right to unilaterally decide to come into Nigeria to help
[24:22] Speaker 1: Nigeria fight its battles. Nigeria is a country, except you
[24:28] Speaker 1: as now saying that Nigeria is now a Vasai state?
[24:34] Speaker 2: Are we We're not aha.
[24:37] Speaker 1: So if Trump decides to come in today boots on
[24:41] Speaker 1: the ground, I will remind people what Americans have done
[24:46] Speaker 1: in all the places they have had boots on the ground.
[24:50] Speaker 1: None of those countries were left better off. Afghanistan, yak, okay,
[24:57] Speaker 1: do not better? But I know what you're saying.
[24:58] Speaker 2: Okay, do you I spent.
[25:02] Speaker 1: Is it two trillion, two trillion dollars in twenty years
[25:07] Speaker 1: to remove the Taliban and replace them with the Taliban?
[25:11] Speaker 2: Isis? No? No?
[25:14] Speaker 1: Before the US got into Afghanistan, Italiban was in power.
[25:20] Speaker 1: They spent over two trillion dollars for twenty years. And
[25:24] Speaker 1: when they left, who was in power?
[25:26] Speaker 2: They specifically to the Talibans.
[25:29] Speaker 1: And now they armed them because all the weapons, everything,
[25:33] Speaker 1: all the left, all the everything for the Taliban. Yes,
[25:37] Speaker 1: they need to win a war, right, what a way
[25:40] Speaker 1: to win a war?
[25:41] Speaker 2: You know about this Syrian it was famili an isis member?
[25:46] Speaker 4: I think now is Syria Syrian presidents who I was
[25:50] Speaker 4: even for be adding at all those stories now is
[25:52] Speaker 4: a friend of America.
[25:54] Speaker 1: So if Sheika were to be alive, and I'm saying
[25:59] Speaker 1: this with all seriousness for Nurgens to know what is
[26:02] Speaker 1: happening if Shake how were to be alive or whoever
[26:04] Speaker 1: is heading the book Oran functions. Now, if America decides
[26:08] Speaker 1: that the young government is no longer aligning with your
[26:12] Speaker 1: interests and they will come in deliver in Nigeria from
[26:15] Speaker 1: the Nagan government and hand them over to Chicao, that
[26:18] Speaker 1: is how America operates.
[26:21] Speaker 4: So you are not but you are not buying that
[26:24] Speaker 4: that they're coming and they have any help.
[26:26] Speaker 1: We need to keep Americans far away from ourselves.
[26:29] Speaker 4: Now we talking about that, probably most have hurt my opinion.
[26:34] Speaker 4: Around that season, it was quite loud and everywhere. Yeah,
[26:39] Speaker 4: let me ask this very important question. I believe one
[26:42] Speaker 4: of the things that has controlled us as the people
[26:45] Speaker 4: in Nigeria is pain the fact that our own people
[26:48] Speaker 4: have not done so well when it comes to leading us.
[26:52] Speaker 4: People have died, people are suffering. The political class have
[26:57] Speaker 4: no mercy for the people, and it has pushed the
[27:00] Speaker 4: people to say, without thinking about the consequences, that if
[27:07] Speaker 4: we have suffered this much from the answer of our people,
[27:11] Speaker 4: we don't mind very recolonized again. Now if we are
[27:14] Speaker 4: going to speak to this kind of station. We really,
[27:16] Speaker 4: honestly and this is what I have learned, have to
[27:19] Speaker 4: also look at the pain of these people and the
[27:22] Speaker 4: fact that pain can make people speak from misinformation. And
[27:27] Speaker 4: how do you want to start helping these people who
[27:31] Speaker 4: are championing combustions like this from this depth of pain
[27:35] Speaker 4: they felt from their own people. They were not around
[27:38] Speaker 4: when their fathers were colonized, so they probably don't understand
[27:41] Speaker 4: the depth of what those ones went through. But now
[27:44] Speaker 4: this is the reality on ground. We are having a
[27:47] Speaker 4: case where even you are saying whatever, it is the
[27:50] Speaker 4: one who still let them come, the of people dying,
[27:54] Speaker 4: and if we look at it, if we see we
[27:56] Speaker 4: saw what happened in jos the mother all them her son.
[28:01] Speaker 4: She will pay me a month for that boy to
[28:03] Speaker 4: come back alive. Recently I saw the video of a
[28:05] Speaker 4: man who lost his pregnant wife, I think the father
[28:10] Speaker 4: and about four children.
[28:12] Speaker 2: In one night.
[28:13] Speaker 4: So when we look at all that under the leadership
[28:16] Speaker 4: of our people, when you have a case where the
[28:18] Speaker 4: president went to Josh but stayed at the airport and
[28:22] Speaker 4: would not even get inside, and the governor played to
[28:27] Speaker 4: state will not come down from his armor truck to
[28:29] Speaker 4: address the people. She's painful to see and to watch.
[28:34] Speaker 4: It makes the matters on ground difficult to meddle into
[28:39] Speaker 4: without considering the emotions of the people and how they feel.
[28:44] Speaker 2: How exactly can we help Nigerians at this point.
[28:48] Speaker 1: Well, to be very honest with you, when I saw
[28:53] Speaker 1: that video of that woman, it broke my heart. If
[28:58] Speaker 1: you've not experienced this, for you, you would think the
[29:03] Speaker 1: people calling for the intervention of the Americans, you think
[29:07] Speaker 1: they're foolish. I don't think they are foolish. And like
[29:11] Speaker 1: you rightly said, pain can drive people to do anything
[29:16] Speaker 1: just to come out of this horrible situation. And I
[29:22] Speaker 1: think it was twenty seventeen when I was living in Benui.
[29:26] Speaker 1: We woke up to sounds of gun shots and it
[29:30] Speaker 1: lasted for close to an hour.
[29:33] Speaker 2: And then.
[29:36] Speaker 1: It was in that year that Bari was it bor Yeah,
[29:39] Speaker 1: he came to bury it didn't come. He didn't come.
[29:43] Speaker 1: They did mass burier at that time in Bnui. The
[29:46] Speaker 1: place where the bodies were buried were just behind my
[29:52] Speaker 1: plot of land.
[29:54] Speaker 2: We looking away bodies. I think they were more than
[29:58] Speaker 2: a hundred.
[30:00] Speaker 1: The moment by full Assman is there or it's just
[30:05] Speaker 1: under functional book. It's not functional book, fullman, and they
[30:14] Speaker 1: are head us with cows. So this community was raided,
[30:20] Speaker 1: burned to the ground. I saw pictures, I saw videos
[30:24] Speaker 1: of father's children. So when I went to that place,
[30:30] Speaker 1: I saw the land.
[30:32] Speaker 2: I saw it.
[30:33] Speaker 1: You could see graves and it. You will feel it, right,
[30:41] Speaker 1: so you wish. We cannot just write off the pains
[30:45] Speaker 1: of these people like that pastor, is it that Tumor Okay?
[30:53] Speaker 1: His church was burned to the ground, right, members killed.
[30:56] Speaker 1: He has had to perform dozens of mass like this.
[31:02] Speaker 1: So I understand from the perspective which they are speaking
[31:06] Speaker 1: from and inviting the Americans to come and intervene. But
[31:14] Speaker 1: what we are saying is that their pain is real.
[31:19] Speaker 1: Their pain is real, and we understand the pain. We
[31:23] Speaker 1: feel it. They are country people. But at the same time,
[31:28] Speaker 1: we shouldn't hand over our home to someone we know
[31:33] Speaker 1: we'll destroyed. Our roof is on fire, we can't put
[31:38] Speaker 1: it out. We can't put the fire out. And that
[31:41] Speaker 1: is why I keep saying that the solution to Nigerian
[31:47] Speaker 1: problem is in the hands of Nigerians. If our leaders
[31:53] Speaker 1: are not doing well, mhm, it's not even if our leaders.
[31:57] Speaker 2: Are not doing well. No, they're not far from it.
[32:00] Speaker 2: They don't care about the security of the people. They
[32:03] Speaker 2: are leading.
[32:04] Speaker 1: People dying have become mein statistics to them. This same
[32:10] Speaker 1: thing will repeat whoever is placed in power by the Americans,
[32:17] Speaker 1: because if the Americans come to intervene today, do not
[32:22] Speaker 1: Trump will not magically become the president of Nigeria after
[32:26] Speaker 1: such an operation.
[32:27] Speaker 2: Nope.
[32:29] Speaker 1: And can I tell you that the Americans are actually
[32:33] Speaker 1: on the ground in Nigeria as we speak.
[32:35] Speaker 2: Yep. Since there came in, the attacks have increased this year.
[32:46] Speaker 1: In the month of February alone, over three hundred and
[32:49] Speaker 1: twenty one people were modeled. Three hundred and twenty one.
[32:56] Speaker 1: Now I know these numbers because these are stories I
[32:59] Speaker 1: work on every day. And somebody asked me on my
[33:04] Speaker 1: commensation one time, how I'm I able to stay the same?
[33:09] Speaker 1: If I tell you the things I read every day,
[33:12] Speaker 1: I come across every day, some of them I cannot
[33:14] Speaker 1: mention because I don't want to get anybody in trouble.
[33:22] Speaker 1: It's pathetic. It's worse than what you know. It's worse
[33:25] Speaker 1: than what is reported. Over the weekend, the Nigeram militarily
[33:31] Speaker 1: says they conducted an operation to take out Bookam Camp. Yes,
[33:40] Speaker 1: the place that was hit is said to be a
[33:43] Speaker 1: market that was evacuated five years ago. That's the official report.
[33:49] Speaker 1: Now there are reports of over one hundred dead. Two
[33:51] Speaker 1: hundred dead. The government is never going to tell us.
[33:55] Speaker 1: When did you think that more than what they are
[33:58] Speaker 1: telling us. I think those are civilians. Now, we did
[34:07] Speaker 1: an investigation for New Central when Donald Trump said that
[34:13] Speaker 1: the Americans conducted an air strike in Soccoto. We did
[34:20] Speaker 1: the story and I started with my MD, very respected
[34:26] Speaker 1: man in the media industry, Psychia Day. I can't tell me,
[34:33] Speaker 1: And he watched to the entire video and he told me, Jude,
[34:39] Speaker 1: this is this is a very nice work, but I
[34:43] Speaker 1: have issues. I said, what had the issues, sir? And
[34:47] Speaker 1: so he started telling me the level we had gone
[34:50] Speaker 1: to investigate this, what he was doing. I wasn't aware
[34:54] Speaker 1: while I was working on this story the effort he
[34:58] Speaker 1: had made sent people with drones to the place. That's
[35:03] Speaker 1: to the site where the strike happened. New Central exhausted
[35:09] Speaker 1: resources to find the strike. That is, we are looking
[35:16] Speaker 1: for a strike as if it was a need buried
[35:19] Speaker 1: in haystack.
[35:20] Speaker 2: Are you saying there was no strike? That's not what
[35:23] Speaker 2: I'm saying. But we found we were looking for did
[35:28] Speaker 2: you did you say? We did not find it, sir.
[35:31] Speaker 4: But there were reports of some things that happened, I
[35:36] Speaker 4: know in Quirre, like some buildings being blown off.
[35:40] Speaker 2: Things.
[35:41] Speaker 1: The Americans showed use videos of a tomahawk that was
[35:45] Speaker 1: released from wherever?
[35:48] Speaker 2: What'ssa New Central? New Central is media.
[35:54] Speaker 1: We are among the best in Agia Center. Yes, we
[35:58] Speaker 1: tried to find it. This is America. America likes to
[36:03] Speaker 1: take victory from where they're even losing. They like to
[36:06] Speaker 1: celebrate as early Americans Stroke assist in Nigeria, and they
[36:12] Speaker 1: released only one video from somewhere where something is coming
[36:16] Speaker 1: out and that is all. Did you see the coverage
[36:19] Speaker 1: of the strike location in CNN?
[36:22] Speaker 2: No? Did you see it in MSNBC, Fox? No.
[36:27] Speaker 1: Fox News is like Trump propaganda network, so they didn't
[36:31] Speaker 1: broadcast it, but some videos were circulated online. I don't
[36:36] Speaker 1: know where they took those videos. So, but New Central
[36:39] Speaker 1: went there.
[36:40] Speaker 2: Because I've been stuck to.
[36:43] Speaker 4: It was a while back, okay, and funny enough, apart
[36:47] Speaker 4: from the girl that was killed, trying to remember them now,
[36:52] Speaker 4: the boy that was killed for blasphemy as they said,
[36:59] Speaker 4: spot has been a relatively peaceful place. And when the
[37:05] Speaker 4: US said they struck the Tomawawk missile, they said to
[37:09] Speaker 4: have bombed somewhere in Chokoto. And there's been quite a
[37:14] Speaker 4: number of unsolicited defense for the US that they understand
[37:21] Speaker 4: where the leaders of the whoever those guys are, and
[37:24] Speaker 4: that's why they have intelligence and that's why they bombed
[37:27] Speaker 4: that place. Do you think that people will give the
[37:28] Speaker 4: US credit more than they deserve?
[37:32] Speaker 1: The thing is we were Hollywood is a very good
[37:35] Speaker 1: propaganda network.
[37:37] Speaker 2: Oh someone said it right?
[37:39] Speaker 1: Or if you there's no way you watch Hollywood movies
[37:42] Speaker 1: and not believe in the absolute strengths curiority of the Americaay.
[37:46] Speaker 2: Someone said it.
[37:47] Speaker 4: You know that the US, like they said, Holliwood forward
[37:51] Speaker 4: to prepare the grant for them whatever they're going.
[37:53] Speaker 2: Now, let me shock you. Yes, it is not just coincidence.
[37:59] Speaker 1: That's every military movie you watched from Hollywood the years
[38:02] Speaker 1: the Americans win. It is a fact that every movie
[38:07] Speaker 1: that portrays the US military must be directed by somebody
[38:12] Speaker 1: from the US Ministry of Defense, now the Department of War.
[38:17] Speaker 2: Are you serious?
[38:18] Speaker 1: Always directed by the fact, so you cannot put out
[38:23] Speaker 1: a movie about the US military from Hollywood without the
[38:27] Speaker 1: approval of every script from somebody from the Department of War.
[38:33] Speaker 1: Have you heard of Operation Mockingbird? No, okay, it was
[38:39] Speaker 1: a CIA operation that was meant to control the world's media.
[38:45] Speaker 2: Where was this.
[38:47] Speaker 1: It was during the Cold War era. So Mockingbird is
[38:53] Speaker 1: one of those operations where the CIA has operatives working
[38:57] Speaker 1: inside every news organization can think of, from the Americans
[39:03] Speaker 1: down to parts of Africa, even in Europe. So it
[39:09] Speaker 1: is almost like they're feeding stories to people. And also
[39:15] Speaker 1: also they got your way in to the church. I mean,
[39:22] Speaker 1: don't shout, they got your way to the church into
[39:29] Speaker 1: a not just the church now. Now, sometimes when I
[39:32] Speaker 1: talk about the church, people tend to comment things on
[39:36] Speaker 1: my timeline like why are you always talking about the church?
[39:39] Speaker 1: Why not talk about Muslim And I reply to them
[39:42] Speaker 1: because I am a Christian, I'm not a Muslim. I
[39:44] Speaker 1: don't know how they operating the other side, right, But
[39:48] Speaker 1: I can also tell you that the Americans fund their
[39:51] Speaker 1: terror groups as well. Oh yes, right, Arkada is one
[39:57] Speaker 1: of those groups they funded in the proxy. Yes, So
[40:02] Speaker 1: I'm saying all of these to say that whatever Nigerians
[40:07] Speaker 1: believe about the American military strength, it's not so true, sir,
[40:12] Speaker 1: is not true, not so true, because if you go
[40:15] Speaker 1: to Vietnam.
[40:20] Speaker 2: They decimated them. They did a lot of things.
[40:22] Speaker 1: They did a lot of things in Vietnam. They bombed
[40:25] Speaker 1: the hell out of them. But look at the look
[40:29] Speaker 1: at them, and the Americans say the wonder woe, but
[40:31] Speaker 1: they can't.
[40:31] Speaker 2: See the one.
[40:31] Speaker 4: Look at the tunnel, look at the masterful preparsion of
[40:36] Speaker 4: the beta means so just but you opened something, you
[40:38] Speaker 4: must finished. And when you talk about some of the
[40:41] Speaker 4: things they've been funding in the church, Okay, okay, So
[40:49] Speaker 4: I think this was Duras. Was it Duras? One of
[40:52] Speaker 4: those Latin American countries?
[40:55] Speaker 2: There was most of the Latin Americans Catholics.
[41:00] Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was a time that the head of
[41:05] Speaker 1: States those left wing, right wing stuff. So the CIA
[41:12] Speaker 1: was funding a rebellion movement against the States in order
[41:19] Speaker 1: to take control of whoever was in power. Yeah, right,
[41:24] Speaker 1: so this is I can't remember the exact country. Now,
[41:28] Speaker 1: it's one of those Latin Americans, Latin American countries that
[41:32] Speaker 1: this operation happened, and not just that. And then you
[41:37] Speaker 1: talk about the assassination of JF. Kennedy.
[41:41] Speaker 4: Come on, now, I mean, I think now it's the
[41:44] Speaker 4: class right, perhaps of.
[41:47] Speaker 1: Its parts of it very states, it's the states right.
[41:52] Speaker 1: So this is a country that we know their track record.
[41:56] Speaker 1: They can make you believe anything that wants because what
[41:59] Speaker 1: they are after his power. And can we talk about
[42:01] Speaker 1: Iran yep Okay, look at what is happening in Iran
[42:06] Speaker 1: right now. The Americans, right from the time of Henry Kissinger,
[42:10] Speaker 1: one of their most notorious Secretary of States, they had
[42:15] Speaker 1: known that they needed to control Iran, right but all
[42:21] Speaker 1: the presidents from that time they knew so well not
[42:24] Speaker 1: to invade Iran because they know what it will results to.
[42:28] Speaker 1: Even if you win. If you winning here means stoppling
[42:31] Speaker 1: the government. If you are able to remove most yes,
[42:35] Speaker 1: if able to remove the government, all you will be
[42:38] Speaker 1: left to it is another Iraq, which is isis.
[42:42] Speaker 2: Now breeding grandfather terrorism again exactly.
[42:46] Speaker 1: So it was always going to be diplomacy, diplomacy, diplomacy.
[42:51] Speaker 2: Henry Kissinger loves war.
[42:53] Speaker 1: This man lived for war, but he advised against invasion
[42:57] Speaker 1: of Iran. And then we have a Christian loving president
[43:02] Speaker 1: that wants to come to Nigeria and deliver Nigerian Christians
[43:06] Speaker 1: from a religious war siding with a baby killing regime. Yes,
[43:16] Speaker 1: also Nigeria's need to know that the Nataia they are
[43:19] Speaker 1: calling to come and save them is the war criminal
[43:22] Speaker 1: and not just war crimes. Now he was in what
[43:26] Speaker 1: I'm i even saying was he's still on the indictment.
[43:29] Speaker 1: In Israel, President Trump is pressuring the Israeli government to
[43:34] Speaker 1: wipe his slate clean because is Tromp's ally. Trump can
[43:41] Speaker 1: go any length for his friends that are quote unquote
[43:44] Speaker 1: lawyer in his own words. So the moment you turn
[43:47] Speaker 1: against Trump, he will do anything to bring you down.
[43:52] Speaker 1: So watch out for when Trump and BB will flash
[43:55] Speaker 1: this alliance.
[43:57] Speaker 2: Who will end you need to crumble.
[43:58] Speaker 1: At some point they are going to ravel themselves because
[44:02] Speaker 1: the war they cannot win is the world they cannot
[44:06] Speaker 1: okay now, yesterday the peace talks and then in statement
[44:11] Speaker 1: no no no resolution now and Trump that was so
[44:16] Speaker 1: eager to reopen the strait of hormones is now the
[44:19] Speaker 1: one going.
[44:19] Speaker 2: To blockad it. It's said to.
[44:24] Speaker 1: Never ship, yes to blockade somewhere he has been agitating
[44:31] Speaker 1: to reopen.
[44:32] Speaker 4: But Trump is trying to get China to come get
[44:35] Speaker 4: Venezuela oil.
[44:37] Speaker 1: The whole Venezuela and Iran war is always about China.
[44:41] Speaker 1: It's not even about saving the protesters.
[44:44] Speaker 4: The benefits from they will benefit from it.
[44:47] Speaker 2: No, he is about China.
[44:50] Speaker 1: Yes, Iran controls I think the third largest energy reserve
[44:55] Speaker 1: in the world.
[44:57] Speaker 2: We're talking about both crude or and natural so China.
[45:04] Speaker 1: China gets its oil from Iran and Venezuela. Right, And
[45:09] Speaker 1: now that China is controlling the way it's minerals, the
[45:14] Speaker 1: US need to have some form of leverage over China.
[45:18] Speaker 1: So if US can now control the oil in Venezuela
[45:22] Speaker 1: and the energy in Iran, it leaves China with only
[45:28] Speaker 1: Russia as an ally to want to Yes, so they're
[45:33] Speaker 1: trying to cut China where it hurts. And China, you
[45:37] Speaker 1: know of this Belt and Road initiative, right, The BRI
[45:41] Speaker 1: has been able to link the entire world together, and
[45:45] Speaker 1: it is something the US cannot just sit by and watch,
[45:48] Speaker 1: which is why they launched the Loobito Corridor something in
[45:52] Speaker 1: Africa to get access to the minerals in the are Congo.
[45:58] Speaker 2: Right.
[45:59] Speaker 1: We're from celebrated the win that he ended in the world,
[46:03] Speaker 1: but shook hands with Kagami and only for two weeks
[46:08] Speaker 1: later twenty three years bombing again. So I'm saying all
[46:14] Speaker 1: of this to say that the Americans only care about
[46:17] Speaker 1: one thing, American interest, American interest. So the first question
[46:24] Speaker 1: I want my Nigerian, my fellow Nagerans to ask, what
[46:30] Speaker 1: is the American interest in Nigeria. I am not saying
[46:35] Speaker 1: that we should not. Will we have at the moment,
[46:40] Speaker 1: it definitely will he definitely will.
[46:42] Speaker 4: You know, I've seen a pattern, and if we're going
[46:45] Speaker 4: to predict the future, we're going to go into patent recognition.
[46:48] Speaker 2: Yes.
[46:49] Speaker 4: And the pattern is that oftentimes when we're out, we
[46:55] Speaker 4: just called for the next semily good thing. During Jonathan's Yeah,
[47:00] Speaker 4: where it was presented like the next best thing after
[47:03] Speaker 4: kick branded well.
[47:05] Speaker 2: So emotional.
[47:06] Speaker 1: That brings us back to the propaganda I'm going to
[47:09] Speaker 1: tell you about it's.
[47:10] Speaker 2: So interesting, don't say interesting. Until we started spiraling down.
[47:15] Speaker 1: The change movements. They change movement movements was all about
[47:19] Speaker 1: ABC change.
[47:21] Speaker 4: Yeah, start spiraling down and when that became so bad again,
[47:25] Speaker 4: we just want something else. But every time we cry
[47:29] Speaker 4: for the next best thing, we always get the next
[47:32] Speaker 4: worst thing. Because we Ninetians are amazing people, loving people,
[47:41] Speaker 4: but we don't know how to love with our eyes
[47:44] Speaker 4: open m hm, and hold back and check what are
[47:50] Speaker 4: they iding? What are they smuggling in Let's talk about
[47:53] Speaker 4: the paragon of that region. I want to say something
[47:56] Speaker 4: about that.
[47:58] Speaker 1: So you would have been the best president Nager I
[48:03] Speaker 1: ever heard you, yonder batter.
[48:10] Speaker 2: I think this is a trap.
[48:13] Speaker 1: All right, Well about We're working on this series right
[48:17] Speaker 1: now that will take Nadgerence through all our sixteen presidents.
[48:22] Speaker 1: In fact, I'm talking about this for the first time.
[48:26] Speaker 2: Thank you.
[48:27] Speaker 1: So that series is going to going to shock a
[48:30] Speaker 1: lot of people because a lot of things you think
[48:33] Speaker 1: you know are not true. And in all of these
[48:35] Speaker 1: I must say, I must say that then Germanly Tree
[48:38] Speaker 1: is not appreciated enough. Then Germanly Tree is not appreciated enough.
[48:45] Speaker 1: These people are fighting multiple wars at the same time.
[48:50] Speaker 1: If the US, and I'm saying this, if the US
[48:56] Speaker 1: we're facing the amount of wars that the Germanly Trees
[49:00] Speaker 1: fighting right now, the US government may even collapse. And
[49:05] Speaker 1: this collapse I'm talking about is because there are citizens,
[49:08] Speaker 1: we rise up and chase all of them out.
[49:13] Speaker 2: The Germany three.
[49:15] Speaker 1: They have officers stationed in the southeast, they have people
[49:20] Speaker 1: in the northeast in the northwest. It's almost like we
[49:27] Speaker 1: are fighting multiple civil wars at the same time. And
[49:33] Speaker 1: the funny part of this is we have very large
[49:36] Speaker 1: porous borders, so some of these fighters are not even Nigerians.
[49:42] Speaker 2: The coming name.
[49:42] Speaker 1: After the Obama adventure that happened in Libya that removed Gadaffi,
[49:49] Speaker 1: some of the fighters left with a lot of arms
[49:52] Speaker 1: to the Sahire region and some of those fighters built
[49:56] Speaker 1: into Mali, the Tuerk fighters. So those fighters with lots
[50:01] Speaker 1: of arms, some of them into Nigeria. That twenty fourteen
[50:07] Speaker 1: twenty fifteen period saw the influx of many immigrants that
[50:11] Speaker 1: we don't know where they're coming from. Some of them armed.
[50:16] Speaker 1: So when you hear of headers farmer classes, some of
[50:20] Speaker 1: these would are not even header because they don't have headers.
[50:22] Speaker 1: Used to have cows. Now right, I'm sick to control
[50:26] Speaker 1: the cal So we're now seeing headers with eight forty
[50:29] Speaker 1: sevens and no cows.
[50:31] Speaker 2: Do you think they're Nigerians some of them, but most
[50:34] Speaker 2: are not.
[50:37] Speaker 1: There are some citizens from Chad from Nieja and Nigerians
[50:42] Speaker 1: need to know that don't only operate with the Nigerian brothers.
[50:45] Speaker 1: They're operating charge in Nieja and Cameroon even.
[50:49] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[50:49] Speaker 1: So the Nigerian military is trying its best, right, but
[50:57] Speaker 1: they don't have enough equipment. Yeah, and this is a
[51:01] Speaker 1: complaint that we've heard from so many people, so many people.
[51:08] Speaker 4: There was a time that they some soldiers revoted that
[51:14] Speaker 4: they didn't give them enough ammunition. And now they can fight.
[51:19] Speaker 4: They are in all of them to be killed.
[51:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is because the military is almost like
[51:25] Speaker 2: a courts. They were killed.
[51:28] Speaker 1: Once you join, you cannot do that. You become the enemy.
[51:34] Speaker 1: So they had to be caught martialed. And these guys
[51:39] Speaker 1: I saw. I saw your story on Eggs last week
[51:45] Speaker 1: where someone was talking about picking up. He picked up
[51:50] Speaker 1: and he's serving military personnel whose wife gave birth and
[51:58] Speaker 1: he two twins, but he couldn't go home for some months,
[52:04] Speaker 1: and then the wife called him to tell him that
[52:06] Speaker 1: one of them had died and that he had.
[52:09] Speaker 2: To come and see what.
[52:10] Speaker 1: You don't want to, yes said when you read things
[52:14] Speaker 1: like that, would you want any of your relative to
[52:18] Speaker 1: ever join the Nigerian military? Now, if everyone choose not
[52:23] Speaker 1: to join the military, who will protect us from this war?
[52:29] Speaker 1: You see when Nigerian politicians are just relaxed about in security.
[52:33] Speaker 1: It amazes me. The only thing keeping Abuja from feeling
[52:39] Speaker 1: these heats at these guys because in security is already
[52:46] Speaker 1: in Kardina. Here, they just need to breach this border
[52:52] Speaker 1: and that is that is all. If if and God forbids,
[52:58] Speaker 1: if the feral Nigeria is overrun by militants, what happens
[53:04] Speaker 1: to Nagia, the most populous country in Africa. We can't
[53:09] Speaker 1: even secure our borders, we can't protect our citizens. So honestly,
[53:20] Speaker 1: we are not progressing as a country. Every president has
[53:24] Speaker 1: coming since or passenger. I think, with the exception of
[53:29] Speaker 1: your Adua. In between, things have been better. The past
[53:34] Speaker 1: have always been better than the future. So the change
[53:41] Speaker 1: Mantrad brought in Warry was Americans trying to reorganize.
[53:49] Speaker 4: Since World War Two, They've been involved in over one
[53:51] Speaker 4: hundred or the regime change across the world.
[53:54] Speaker 2: That's that's a very huge number.
[53:57] Speaker 1: You did you follow the one that happened then in
[54:00] Speaker 1: DRC that brought in mobile to.
[54:04] Speaker 2: Sessical.
[54:05] Speaker 1: So when when people talk about Americans coming to help,
[54:10] Speaker 1: just show them the story of DRC.
[54:12] Speaker 4: But you know, behind also the backtop of all the story,
[54:15] Speaker 4: you also see Africans fighting their own We did that
[54:18] Speaker 4: in ghan against coming Croma.
[54:21] Speaker 2: Judios and also we did that. Did they do it?
[54:25] Speaker 2: It's more like it's more like I get it. It's
[54:28] Speaker 2: more like they've.
[54:30] Speaker 4: Mastered the signs of engineering the emotions of the people
[54:33] Speaker 4: that aligned with what they want to do. And they
[54:36] Speaker 4: have a slogan, if you want to kill it dog,
[54:38] Speaker 4: give it a bad name. And once you can liberal
[54:41] Speaker 4: the people.
[54:42] Speaker 1: And the liberal now for Nigeria's religious persecution, that is
[54:47] Speaker 1: the only thing that can trigger a country that is
[54:50] Speaker 1: almost fifty to fifty.
[54:52] Speaker 2: Percent, thank you, that is already fragmented.
[54:54] Speaker 4: Yes, and people again, cannot be judged based on out
[54:59] Speaker 4: there yet because.
[55:00] Speaker 1: If you're telling you, if you're asking me whether this
[55:02] Speaker 1: family lost five of their children, they did.
[55:06] Speaker 2: They did.
[55:07] Speaker 1: Who were the people shooting them? They were shouting a
[55:10] Speaker 1: loud bar. Yes, So how do I convince this family
[55:14] Speaker 1: that this person had nothing.
[55:16] Speaker 2: To do with Islam? It's difficult.
[55:18] Speaker 1: It's difficult, no matter the fact you present to someone morning.
[55:23] Speaker 1: It's almost like you're spitting on the grave of your love.
[55:26] Speaker 2: Yes, and sometimes it's just best to keep quiet.
[55:28] Speaker 1: It's best to keep quiet, and which is why Nigerians,
[55:32] Speaker 1: we need to try and sometimes, no matter the pain
[55:36] Speaker 1: you're feeling, we need to sit back and think and
[55:38] Speaker 1: reflect on these things. There are so many examples littered around.
[55:44] Speaker 4: You know, even this podcast is a risk, okay in
[55:46] Speaker 4: the sense that I can go south. Yes, Sometimes pill
[55:49] Speaker 4: controls your opinion of the people. Yes, And one of
[55:53] Speaker 4: the major questions in my mind right now. Problems are
[55:57] Speaker 4: quite complex. Yeah, the emotions what we feel, they are
[56:02] Speaker 4: not simple. Across ethnic line, across religious line.
[56:10] Speaker 2: It's difficult. You have been in this space.
[56:15] Speaker 4: You have some of the back end stories and I
[56:18] Speaker 4: break Nigerian don't have access to you know what the
[56:21] Speaker 4: media is shifting from the people. When you look at
[56:24] Speaker 4: what is happening with your knowledge of geopolitics, what do
[56:28] Speaker 4: you think we should do as a nation to break
[56:32] Speaker 4: this cycle?
[56:33] Speaker 2: It's a vicious one.
[56:40] Speaker 1: Firstly, I think Nigerians we need to come to a
[56:45] Speaker 1: place where we agree that we are Nigerian's first before tribe.
[56:52] Speaker 1: We should keep tribe aside. Petrotism. Yes, as long as
[56:59] Speaker 1: we all see our different tribes to be the nations
[57:04] Speaker 1: we come from and that we are all just part
[57:07] Speaker 1: of a collective union of Nigeria. As opposed to the
[57:11] Speaker 1: Nigeria and been the thing that we are as our identity.
[57:15] Speaker 2: Well, keep having this crisis.
[57:18] Speaker 1: Now, I am Igedy from Benue States, right, Benui has
[57:25] Speaker 1: I think four ethnic groups? Mine is Igedy very a
[57:30] Speaker 1: minority of the minority. So in Zone C we have
[57:37] Speaker 1: Igedy and Idoma, right, and then Zone A and Zone
[57:42] Speaker 1: B additive, which is the majority in Benue State. Since
[57:49] Speaker 1: the formation of the states, nobody from Zone SEE has
[57:53] Speaker 1: ever become governor of the states. No body. And the
[58:03] Speaker 1: logical explanation is that, of course this vote alongs along
[58:08] Speaker 1: tribal lines, so we have Zone A Zon B. They
[58:11] Speaker 1: are always going to get the majority, I understand, but
[58:17] Speaker 1: can we have somebody from the majority they actually care
[58:22] Speaker 1: about the state at least at least now when you're
[58:27] Speaker 1: coming to this zone Sea region. My friend we went
[58:31] Speaker 1: to the same primary school, the same secondary school. If
[58:34] Speaker 1: you ask him now, you'll tell you as are two
[58:38] Speaker 1: thousand and four small developed than or put today?
[58:43] Speaker 2: Are you serious? Yes, sir, it's terrible in that zone.
[58:50] Speaker 1: See, nobody from Iged has ever become senator.
[58:57] Speaker 2: Wow. Yes.
[59:00] Speaker 1: My point here now is can we look beyond tribe
[59:04] Speaker 1: as a country If we can It's one of the
[59:10] Speaker 1: first ways we can get over this visual cycle is
[59:14] Speaker 1: fighting ourselves because imagine now that Lego states I shocked
[59:22] Speaker 1: them that when I told them that Legos is the
[59:26] Speaker 1: economy of legal is bigger than most African countries.
[59:29] Speaker 2: Here are are right? Most African countries?
[59:32] Speaker 1: Yes, it's that big and prosperous. Now imagine the people
[59:37] Speaker 1: in Legos decide to vote for a Legosian as their governor,
[59:43] Speaker 1: not a EUROBA person. Now this is going to get
[59:45] Speaker 1: me in trouble. I think I'm ready for our dragon.
[59:49] Speaker 2: You don't want to smoke Illegosian and not. We need to.
[59:57] Speaker 2: We need to remove everything called state of origin from
[1:00:01] Speaker 2: our constitution stuff. You know why because people don't feel
[1:00:05] Speaker 2: it to be innocent. Hmm. Look at what just happened
[1:00:09] Speaker 2: in South Africa.
[1:00:10] Speaker 4: Yes, there's anophobic reaction because the Egos were installing an
[1:00:15] Speaker 4: Ebo chieftain. The same thing happened in Ghana. So one
[1:00:19] Speaker 4: of the things you want to ask is that why
[1:00:21] Speaker 4: the reacting like that. Maybe they don't just trust what
[1:00:25] Speaker 4: they may be doing next they see occupying agenda. Yeah,
[1:00:30] Speaker 4: I think that has also failed. The divide that we
[1:00:35] Speaker 4: see and in the.
[1:00:36] Speaker 2: Story that is always references utsman, Dan food.
[1:00:39] Speaker 4: You, and it's obvious. It's obvious, and even in the layer,
[1:00:48] Speaker 4: it's a very complex story. Also, yes, you wonder laying
[1:00:52] Speaker 4: as emir and not over unspeakable.
[1:00:56] Speaker 2: Yeah, so I think I'm just.
[1:00:59] Speaker 4: Saying in fairness while I'm really much of an advocate
[1:01:03] Speaker 4: for us to the night. But sometimes I'm like that
[1:01:07] Speaker 4: this guy is not saying hm. But what you said
[1:01:11] Speaker 4: first is really something to look at. We're no longer patriotic.
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: We're not, We're just in fact, the the ideology of
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: if you divide area to become more prosperous is a lie.
[1:01:24] Speaker 2: It's a lie.
[1:01:24] Speaker 1: I think it's one of the it's only propaganda that
[1:01:27] Speaker 1: has been used.
[1:01:28] Speaker 4: I think they will divide it once they are don't
[1:01:30] Speaker 4: perfect in the business plan from the west because.
[1:01:35] Speaker 2: Now imagine imagine place.
[1:01:38] Speaker 1: Like the the southeast, that's the Ebo region right southeast
[1:01:46] Speaker 1: now that is agitating from Jaffra.
[1:01:49] Speaker 2: Imagine if states that is landlocked.
[1:01:54] Speaker 1: Yes, the people will tell you we are industrials, we
[1:01:56] Speaker 1: are these We're that It's going to be catastrophic from
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: day one because you will be starting from zero. Your
[1:02:09] Speaker 1: economy will be be trash, before you will you be
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: able to trade with international, with anybody outside your borders,
[1:02:20] Speaker 1: you will have to go through Nigeria that is now
[1:02:24] Speaker 1: going to be an enemy state, so will be as
[1:02:29] Speaker 1: small as it would be want to be an enemy
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: of a giant such as Nigeria.
[1:02:34] Speaker 4: Do you think I bar forever goes or leaves Nigeria
[1:02:39] Speaker 4: at Nigeria remen.
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: Because the area I would just say, we also have.
[1:02:44] Speaker 1: The funny thing is they actually wanted to break away
[1:02:48] Speaker 1: after after they kill the agreeancy.
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: Do you know that they wanted the.
[1:02:54] Speaker 1: Not Mohammed wanted the session he wanted He said he
[1:02:59] Speaker 1: doesn't want to have anything to do with Nigeria anymore.
[1:03:02] Speaker 2: You know about the Yes, yes, we did have helps
[1:03:07] Speaker 2: mm hmm. It would have if go On had it's
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: like them at the last moment. But I think.
[1:03:19] Speaker 1: Had his own reasons and one of those was that
[1:03:25] Speaker 1: the that Ojuku was negotiating in bad faith. Also that
[1:03:30] Speaker 1: the power was going to be taken away from the
[1:03:32] Speaker 1: central government and decentralized.
[1:03:36] Speaker 2: Yes, so go On was just going to be a
[1:03:38] Speaker 2: figure ahead. Will that do better?
[1:03:43] Speaker 1: It would have helped, but now not the precedency and
[1:03:49] Speaker 1: that is the problem we have.
[1:03:50] Speaker 2: Do you think.
[1:03:51] Speaker 1: I told you from the beginning that I am not
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: so much democracy fund anymore.
[1:03:57] Speaker 2: Not so much.
[1:03:58] Speaker 4: Someone believes that some people will believe that democracy has
[1:04:03] Speaker 4: an idea is to give the people the illusion that
[1:04:09] Speaker 4: they decide who them every four years or five years
[1:04:14] Speaker 4: until they are too old to vote festival, and then
[1:04:17] Speaker 4: they find out festival they're not really do want to decide.
[1:04:21] Speaker 4: But again, I had the conversation with doctor Bi and
[1:04:26] Speaker 4: she said she also made the court by a scholar.
[1:04:31] Speaker 2: I said that for those who.
[1:04:32] Speaker 4: Said democracy doesn't work, have seen the effect of something
[1:04:37] Speaker 4: else that worked.
[1:04:38] Speaker 2: Well. I didn't answer about my asize. Yes, we've seen Singapore.
[1:04:42] Speaker 4: China, China stuff the communist system and stuff for a while.
[1:04:49] Speaker 4: For a long time now they've had the one child policy.
[1:04:54] Speaker 4: I think they're reversed because the idea of the population
[1:04:59] Speaker 4: of China it's been found to be.
[1:05:03] Speaker 2: Some lies. Mm hmm so.
[1:05:06] Speaker 1: And they also manipulatia currency, which is But here's something
[1:05:13] Speaker 1: with China that I like. Everything the worst says is
[1:05:17] Speaker 1: bad for China, is bad that China does is actually
[1:05:21] Speaker 1: in the interest of the Chinese people, not of the
[1:05:24] Speaker 1: leadership of Chinese people. Do you understand so China they
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: talked about the one child policy was because to prevent
[1:05:33] Speaker 1: words overpopulation, right, and then the one China policy. Do
[1:05:40] Speaker 1: you know what Taiwan would mean to the economy of
[1:05:45] Speaker 1: China if there were to be reunified m hm, Taiwan.
[1:05:49] Speaker 1: There's this company in Taiwan called t CM mm hmm, right,
[1:05:54] Speaker 1: the semiconductor company in Taiwan brigades or produces almost all
[1:06:01] Speaker 1: this macroductor used in American companies like Nvidia.
[1:06:04] Speaker 2: And all of these things.
[1:06:06] Speaker 1: So if China gets hold of it, the US is
[1:06:12] Speaker 1: out just like that.
[1:06:13] Speaker 2: Do you think China wants to unite with them again?
[1:06:16] Speaker 2: It is a policy.
[1:06:17] Speaker 1: In fact, it is now in their constitution that they
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: don't have the rights to succede. President children things had
[1:06:24] Speaker 1: made it a law that you cannot it's now against
[1:06:28] Speaker 1: the law to succeede. So no part of China can
[1:06:32] Speaker 1: can break away and Taiwan. They have medicalatear to Taiwan
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: that they're going to unify them back to mainland China,
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: either with force or diplomacy whichever. In fact, a few
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: days ago they met with the oppositional leader from Taiwan.
[1:06:50] Speaker 1: So it's just a matter of time. Just a matter
[1:06:54] Speaker 1: of time. And relating this back to Nigeria, if you
[1:07:00] Speaker 1: admires Singapore, you need to know the story of Singapore.
[1:07:06] Speaker 1: LaQuan Yu was not a good man.
[1:07:10] Speaker 4: You call him a benevolent dictator, but he cared about
[1:07:14] Speaker 4: his people, his people.
[1:07:16] Speaker 1: So his philosophy was that if you don't like what
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: we are doing, you are an enemy.
[1:07:23] Speaker 2: Of these states.
[1:07:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, if you don't want the progress of Singapore, you
[1:07:29] Speaker 1: cannot be part of Singapore. Is just It's just like
[1:07:32] Speaker 1: saying you're either for us or against us?
[1:07:37] Speaker 2: Now? Is that is that tough? Yes? Is he going
[1:07:39] Speaker 2: to lead to.
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: Some innocent people getting caught in the middle, Yes, but
[1:07:45] Speaker 1: being innocent? Now, how innocent are you when you're being
[1:07:50] Speaker 1: it too in the hands of an adversarial country.
[1:07:53] Speaker 2: Now you eat the nail? Yep? Do you see it now?
[1:07:57] Speaker 2: Many don't even know. Do you see it now?
[1:07:59] Speaker 1: So if now my channel on YouTube, if I decide
[1:08:02] Speaker 1: to use my channel to do propaganda against the Nigerian
[1:08:08] Speaker 1: states saying things I know to be forced to just
[1:08:11] Speaker 1: rile up the people and lead the nation into civil war, doesn't,
[1:08:16] Speaker 1: then younger men have the right to lock me up
[1:08:19] Speaker 1: without right to a lawyer or something and lawyer coming
[1:08:22] Speaker 1: to defend me is actually working for whichever state is
[1:08:25] Speaker 1: sponsoring me, especially if there is a state sponsoring me.
[1:08:30] Speaker 2: Wow.
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: Right, So now we have Bokina Faso. Yeah, about a
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: week or two weeks ago, the leader, I hate to
[1:08:42] Speaker 1: call him juntal leader.
[1:08:44] Speaker 2: Like the westlaws contributing.
[1:08:46] Speaker 1: He is the leader and president for Bokin right Chai
[1:08:50] Speaker 1: when he said that m the people should forget about
[1:08:54] Speaker 1: democracy and everybody were running with it. Now look at him.
[1:08:59] Speaker 1: Every detector gets to this point, they always come has
[1:09:02] Speaker 1: been a volun was.
[1:09:04] Speaker 2: Almost at that point? Are you say that this thing
[1:09:06] Speaker 2: was a trip?
[1:09:08] Speaker 1: So no, My question is is it working for the people?
[1:09:13] Speaker 1: Why are elections so important that even this leader is
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: performing well? You just want us to go and vote
[1:09:22] Speaker 1: for somebody else. And then my reference point to them
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: is how about Paul Beer? Cameronian is my age? Don't
[1:09:31] Speaker 1: know any other presidents than Paul Beer and I'm thirty
[1:09:35] Speaker 1: two years old. This man has been in power since
[1:09:40] Speaker 1: nineteen since the early nineteen eighties.
[1:09:43] Speaker 2: Right, and guess what.
[1:09:46] Speaker 1: He initially abolished the position of vice presidents. They have
[1:09:50] Speaker 1: now reinstated the position of vice presidents. Guess who is
[1:09:53] Speaker 1: the vice president now and if anything happens to the president,
[1:09:58] Speaker 1: who becomes the president the vice presidents so so sessions
[1:10:03] Speaker 1: in place. So now elections democracy is now becoming almost
[1:10:11] Speaker 1: like the World Cup every four four years. Right, we
[1:10:17] Speaker 1: performed the ceremony, we joined the Q, defend democracy, defend
[1:10:21] Speaker 1: our vote, chant against neck, and then what we elected.
[1:10:28] Speaker 1: And then when he's done for the four years, and
[1:10:32] Speaker 1: then he appoints his colleagues and friends into in neck
[1:10:36] Speaker 1: and then we chant again, defend our democracy, defend our democracy,
[1:10:40] Speaker 1: and then we vote again, and then we have an
[1:10:44] Speaker 1: adapt and then we waite for four years, and then
[1:10:47] Speaker 1: we defend our This is tiring, is it not.
[1:10:53] Speaker 2: Let let's say you start voting. Let's someone start voting
[1:10:57] Speaker 2: at edge twenty.
[1:10:59] Speaker 4: And each president, let's say they're going to go through
[1:11:03] Speaker 4: two election cycles, each of them two four years as
[1:11:09] Speaker 4: eight years. And let's say you were able to vote
[1:11:13] Speaker 4: at least ten times. That's four times them as forty
[1:11:18] Speaker 4: forty plus twenty as sixty. Out of that four times
[1:11:23] Speaker 4: ten times that you voted, you have five presidents. So
[1:11:29] Speaker 4: five presidents will take the span of forty years of
[1:11:32] Speaker 4: your life five ten years of self deceit yes, believing
[1:11:38] Speaker 4: that another messire is coming.
[1:11:39] Speaker 2: It's coming. It's a visual cycle.
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: And now this this analogy you just give people think
[1:11:45] Speaker 1: this is so far into the future. Let me count
[1:11:47] Speaker 1: the five presidents for you. Vot yar Adua a passenger, No, no,
[1:11:53] Speaker 1: Bassenger is too far behind. Voted yargument with Jonathan Jonathan
[1:11:57] Speaker 1: completed his stem. So Jonathan's end the end of Jonathan's
[1:12:01] Speaker 1: time at twenty fifteen was the eight years. Right then
[1:12:04] Speaker 1: we had Barry right did eight years?
[1:12:08] Speaker 2: Yes? Into the thought now bo w do his eight years? Yes?
[1:12:19] Speaker 2: Look at that.
[1:12:23] Speaker 1: Ah, So we're just we're just doing election festivals.
[1:12:29] Speaker 4: I want to make a request, Okay, I think what
[1:12:32] Speaker 4: the conversations we've had today can go ether ways trouble, yeah,
[1:12:39] Speaker 4: or enlightenment, depending on our open minded people are and
[1:12:46] Speaker 4: hopefully no one gets to caught it for my lesures
[1:12:48] Speaker 4: intent mhm it that ways.
[1:12:52] Speaker 2: I like to request we're going to have to have
[1:12:54] Speaker 2: you again. Many things have been classified.
[1:13:00] Speaker 4: Today, okay, even though this is the classified because yeah,
[1:13:08] Speaker 4: then we can have conversations arounder the subject. And now
[1:13:12] Speaker 4: we can focus on the continent as well, okay, and
[1:13:16] Speaker 4: look at the Western influence and interest and where we
[1:13:22] Speaker 4: get to really dissect if looking at the number of
[1:13:27] Speaker 4: years Africa spent on the colonial masters, all of a suddenly,
[1:13:31] Speaker 4: on the space of ten, fifteen, twenty years, all the
[1:13:35] Speaker 4: countries one of that the other, we're getting their release.
[1:13:38] Speaker 4: Is it planned? Was it staged? Was it a transition
[1:13:42] Speaker 4: from colonialism into something entirely different. These are the conversations
[1:13:46] Speaker 4: and have in the next episode. That's very interesting because
[1:13:51] Speaker 4: let me give you a hint. Now, yes, all the
[1:13:55] Speaker 4: former French colonists, ye are democracy planned? Unnamed Charles de Gaul,
[1:14:02] Speaker 4: They didn't gain democracy. Democracy was now becoming the trend,
[1:14:09] Speaker 4: and the United States was going to frown at France
[1:14:12] Speaker 4: if France keeps hold of their former colonies. So France
[1:14:16] Speaker 4: needed to design a system that will make it look
[1:14:19] Speaker 4: like these states are now governing themselves. But in the
[1:14:22] Speaker 4: terms of the democracy that assigned, the French had their
[1:14:25] Speaker 4: right to state, to put their military on the ground
[1:14:30] Speaker 4: in those countries, and they also had to control their currencies.
[1:14:35] Speaker 2: I'll stop you, Oh no, really, thank you for coming.
[1:14:41] Speaker 2: Thank you so much, so enlightening, thank you, thank you.
[1:14:52] Speaker 2: M

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