# Open Mentorship Discussion The advantage non Christians may have over Christians

An episode of [Apostle Lazarus Femi](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1824778006), 24 May 2026, 26 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: We can serve God and feel and then charge all
[0:04] Speaker 1: your life and not succeed. I've seen many Christians believe
[0:08] Speaker 1: that because they serve God in respect acular way to
[0:12] Speaker 1: finished with flying colors, they had to carryovers and they
[0:14] Speaker 1: were still doing many things on campus. It's painful that
[0:18] Speaker 1: the God you are busy for, let me use the
[0:21] Speaker 1: word try to get this purpose done, can watch you
[0:25] Speaker 1: to your past. And I think the most painful fact
[0:28] Speaker 1: is the fact that God is not even obligated to
[0:31] Speaker 1: talk in the midst of all this. It's just busy
[0:33] Speaker 1: about this thing. It's the fact that I can call
[0:36] Speaker 1: God and God will not say the things he expects
[0:38] Speaker 1: me to learn from others. And that brings me to
[0:40] Speaker 1: one conclusion. God is not going to give you the
[0:43] Speaker 1: logy of concluding you don't even enough to the point
[0:46] Speaker 1: that you don't need people, that you don't need, systems
[0:49] Speaker 1: that you don't need, lessons, that you don't need wisdom.
[0:52] Speaker 1: If there are aspects in your life that you feel
[0:54] Speaker 1: I know God too well in this aspect, I don't
[0:57] Speaker 1: need to be mentored you feel in those are aspect,
[1:00] Speaker 1: and it's painful. Why can't you your tell us? Why
[1:03] Speaker 1: can't you just say all those things, so we can't
[1:05] Speaker 1: saved saying it, but not to the means.
[1:07] Speaker 2: We're thinking true people, true schools, true academies, and we
[1:11] Speaker 2: despise those things because they don't wear religious colors.
[1:14] Speaker 1: That's the problem. He has laid down systems. Maybe that's
[1:18] Speaker 1: what we need to check. Maybe it doesn't bother saying
[1:20] Speaker 1: what someone around is already saying. And it thinks that
[1:23] Speaker 1: in your humility, if truly you want knowledge as you
[1:25] Speaker 1: want it, yeah, the person. So I don't know whether
[1:30] Speaker 1: to where about to share is something I'm happy about.
[1:36] Speaker 1: I think I'm happy, but I think the I think
[1:43] Speaker 1: my conclusion about what I'm about to share with you
[1:46] Speaker 1: is that life in its service quite brutal, and this
[1:51] Speaker 1: is the kind of point where it can really ought
[1:55] Speaker 1: to be a Christian who doesn't know much. I don't
[1:59] Speaker 1: know how to put it. So we sent there was
[2:02] Speaker 1: the class, and we're learning some things. And it wasn't
[2:10] Speaker 1: a it was a class for something else, secular knowledge
[2:18] Speaker 1: as it were then a few minutings with the class,
[2:24] Speaker 1: it was like my life flashed right in front of
[2:26] Speaker 1: me and I began to see loop all the things
[2:30] Speaker 1: that could have gotten the right and then I started
[2:39] Speaker 1: asking myself, but good, I asked you. Always before making
[2:43] Speaker 1: many of these decisions, I checked it with you. And
[2:51] Speaker 1: again that was my assumption, and a typical Christian assumption.
[2:57] Speaker 1: We kind of have this sense of believing that the
[3:04] Speaker 1: fact that we run everything like God or we call
[3:08] Speaker 1: his name, means that definitely is not obligated or is
[3:14] Speaker 1: obligated to make sure we never feel. Does He want
[3:23] Speaker 1: us to feel? No, is he obligated to make sure
[3:26] Speaker 1: he does feel? And that's a story for another day.
[3:31] Speaker 1: And this is what I found out about the nature
[3:33] Speaker 1: of God that sometimes I feel many unbelievers or as
[3:39] Speaker 1: it were, non Christians, understand that about God and tend
[3:46] Speaker 1: to have better advantage than many Christians. So if you
[3:50] Speaker 1: ever wonder the reason why a Christian may be feeling
[3:55] Speaker 1: and those who doesn't even call his God may not
[3:59] Speaker 1: feel the same area, and I think this is the
[4:01] Speaker 1: video that would answer the question. And again I think
[4:12] Speaker 1: I do have scarce but the things are about to
[4:15] Speaker 1: share with you, and maybe it gives you a better
[4:18] Speaker 1: advantage not to fail in the area as I feeled.
[4:23] Speaker 1: And you know, the first thing that comes to my
[4:26] Speaker 1: mind is the story of Moses. This guy was practically
[4:32] Speaker 1: busy doing everything thought Pharaoh got them out, let my
[4:37] Speaker 1: people go, got into the wilderness. Was busy about everything,
[4:43] Speaker 1: counseling from one family to another, getting things, you know
[4:47] Speaker 1: this and all that. In other words, he was busy
[4:51] Speaker 1: with his ministry, saving the purpose of God till Jetro came.
[4:58] Speaker 1: And Jetro was not even one knows a fire. Also,
[5:01] Speaker 1: God in the Bonny Booze turn the red water to
[5:05] Speaker 1: read parted the red sea. Jetro didn't seem to have
[5:08] Speaker 1: all those dynamics to you, just a simple man in Median.
[5:14] Speaker 1: Then Jetro observed all that Moses was doing for God,
[5:20] Speaker 1: and Jetro said something mind blowing. You're going to die.
[5:26] Speaker 1: You continue like this, you will die. I think that
[5:33] Speaker 1: sounds quite offensive for many of us as Christians, that
[5:38] Speaker 1: the God you are busy for, let me use the word,
[5:42] Speaker 1: try to get this purpose done? Can watch you till
[5:48] Speaker 1: you crash? Can copy and paste this in school. I've
[5:55] Speaker 1: seen many Christians believe that because they serve God in
[5:59] Speaker 1: expectacular way, they're finished with flying colors. They had to
[6:03] Speaker 1: carry overs, and they were still doing many things on campus.
[6:13] Speaker 1: It's painful. I'm seeing this from very serious Spain. It's painful,
[6:20] Speaker 1: and I think the most painful fact is the fact
[6:23] Speaker 1: that God is not even obligated to talk in the
[6:29] Speaker 1: midst of all this. You're just busy about these things
[6:36] Speaker 1: because sometimes the Lucian we have sometimes is that I've
[6:43] Speaker 1: seen the Red Sea paths, I've conquered Pheroh, I've conquered
[6:48] Speaker 1: Egypt as a whole civilization. I've seen plague of the
[6:53] Speaker 1: first one. I've seen God's shop in many ways. Who
[6:57] Speaker 1: are you to possibly tell me anything? In fact, Ah,
[7:02] Speaker 1: life is brutal. There are people right now as we
[7:06] Speaker 1: speak who are the hope that tomorrow is going to
[7:09] Speaker 1: be very good. They are going to be doing amazing things.
[7:13] Speaker 1: Things are going to be but they don't even know
[7:16] Speaker 1: that they will die trying. That's painful for me. What
[7:24] Speaker 1: are the things? What are the areas that I think
[7:26] Speaker 1: that God is going to show up? But because there's
[7:32] Speaker 1: just one thing I'm missing, I mean, never see those
[7:37] Speaker 1: manifestations in your lifetime, not because God doesn't want, not
[7:43] Speaker 1: because God doesn't care, not because not his interest, because
[7:48] Speaker 1: I've just missed the simple key and of use are
[7:53] Speaker 1: hungry you didn't need because we saw a parent devote
[7:58] Speaker 1: everything serving churches, grief died, give first, salaries, give first, everything,
[8:13] Speaker 1: and still didn't do better. Sometimes we clone it or
[8:18] Speaker 1: we covite in the assumption with the conclusion that God's
[8:22] Speaker 1: purpose in her life is not to make a life better.
[8:27] Speaker 1: That's a school of thoughts. Some believe that the purpose
[8:31] Speaker 1: of prayers, of going our life is not because any
[8:33] Speaker 1: better in anything, It's just for us to make heaven.
[8:36] Speaker 1: That's an the school of thought. But this is what
[8:38] Speaker 1: I found out. I think school of thoughts are formed
[8:42] Speaker 1: oftentimes not out of knowledge that is genuine, but I
[8:46] Speaker 1: think often times because it is the easiest conclusion to make,
[8:52] Speaker 1: because the human mind doesn't like not reaching a conclusion,
[8:56] Speaker 1: and getting the balance can stress the mind in the
[8:59] Speaker 1: way way. So what the mind does is that it
[9:03] Speaker 1: narrows down on the closest conclusion possible he can arrest.
[9:10] Speaker 1: And I think we've been able to form any conclusions
[9:13] Speaker 1: from that that it's not the concern. It's not the
[9:18] Speaker 1: business of God that the Christians or that someone who
[9:21] Speaker 1: calls his name does well in life or not. It's
[9:24] Speaker 1: not his business. If they fail, he's not his business.
[9:28] Speaker 1: If they have finance to do the basic things in life.
[9:32] Speaker 1: I will rather think that that would be cruel. And yes,
[9:38] Speaker 1: my hypothesis, maybe he wants us to do well, but
[9:48] Speaker 1: not in the way that we think God wants us
[9:54] Speaker 1: to succeed. But He has already established systems that we
[10:04] Speaker 1: are apples to get there, and many of those systems
[10:08] Speaker 1: were not to wear the regalia of his name. Because
[10:13] Speaker 1: God is not just revealed in one way. Even nature
[10:18] Speaker 1: talks about his beauty, his essence. Look at the beautiful
[10:24] Speaker 1: flowers in the garden, the trees, the arrangement that stars
[10:29] Speaker 1: the sky, the beautiful mountains, the sea. There's a super
[10:37] Speaker 1: intelligence behind the formation of these things, and maybe we
[10:43] Speaker 1: can even learn how to function better by just observing
[10:54] Speaker 1: what he does. Now. As a mentor, one wo mentors
[11:00] Speaker 1: people walk from a far at close. I always tell
[11:05] Speaker 1: my mentees that the best way to learn from a
[11:11] Speaker 1: mental is true observation, because there are many things I
[11:15] Speaker 1: may not have lingual for, but I express to the
[11:20] Speaker 1: things that I do, and observation is the venue for
[11:22] Speaker 1: you to learn without permission. It means, once you come
[11:26] Speaker 1: to the place of observation because you're seeing, there's nothing
[11:31] Speaker 1: I can possibly aide from you. I think maybe we
[11:35] Speaker 1: read the Bible wrongly, and we read with religious filters
[11:37] Speaker 1: in the sense that when we look at the way
[11:42] Speaker 1: God does things, maybe that's him saying observe me. And
[11:49] Speaker 1: of course we see that expressly spelled out when he
[11:53] Speaker 1: said come on to me. Really, but my say translation
[11:56] Speaker 1: says that work with me, and work with me. What
[11:59] Speaker 1: are I doing? And lend the Unford stadim of grace?
[12:03] Speaker 1: Maybe small the biggest wisdom that we can find in God.
[12:07] Speaker 1: It's not just in the things that he said in
[12:09] Speaker 1: the Bible, but the things that he did. Maybe I
[12:11] Speaker 1: can lead management and learn order and lend structure and
[12:18] Speaker 1: lend conflict management from Genesis one. Just maybe maybe I
[12:26] Speaker 1: can lend restoration. I can learn branding, I can learn culture.
[12:32] Speaker 1: What what on earth did God make that us construct contracts?
[12:37] Speaker 1: And sorry, what on earth did God make? There are
[12:40] Speaker 1: contrasting colors. What does it align in this visual? What
[12:45] Speaker 1: does it align in this flood? The perfect cycle? There
[12:50] Speaker 1: is what the plan does to contribute to humans. There
[12:53] Speaker 1: is what we do to contribute to the plant. There
[12:55] Speaker 1: is what the animal does in each cycles to contribute
[13:00] Speaker 1: view to each other's existence. When we study everything God
[13:04] Speaker 1: himself made, there's no waste there's no waste. Maybe I
[13:16] Speaker 1: can apply that when I say I'm a man that
[13:19] Speaker 1: have multiple visions on my table. Maybe sometimes the reason
[13:24] Speaker 1: why I feel about way that I've done so much
[13:26] Speaker 1: is because all the things over my table dot terrelate.
[13:30] Speaker 1: Maybe there's the side of not being godly enough in
[13:32] Speaker 1: the sense that I'm not observing that God has made
[13:34] Speaker 1: the biggest endeavor. And sometimes because many Christians read the
[13:41] Speaker 1: Bible from religious filters, there are certain aspects of God
[13:45] Speaker 1: that those who may be quick to understand it and
[13:50] Speaker 1: also be quick to take it are those who have
[13:52] Speaker 1: not been conditioned by those filters. And the reason why
[13:56] Speaker 1: he should not assume that because someone doesn't speak in tongues,
[14:00] Speaker 1: does not called the God in your Bible means that
[14:03] Speaker 1: or does not sound you know, and where the regalias
[14:08] Speaker 1: means that there is something probably knows that you don't know.
[14:12] Speaker 1: And the assumption that everything that you should know you know.
[14:18] Speaker 1: Maybe that's the reason why you're not even getting any
[14:21] Speaker 1: things in the Bible because you can read it apart
[14:24] Speaker 1: from the condition that you've been conditioned. Maybe there are
[14:27] Speaker 1: more that our filters have only from the perspective to
[14:31] Speaker 1: which we see everything in the vast world, the beautiful,
[14:37] Speaker 1: limitless possibilities that we can see God's work and it's wisdom,
[14:41] Speaker 1: and now we probably were not seeing it because being
[14:46] Speaker 1: conditioned to just one less and every other thing God
[14:51] Speaker 1: intends to say can't be communicated anymore because we've chosen
[14:56] Speaker 1: to seem just through one less. Again, what I'm sharing
[15:03] Speaker 1: with is a very painful reality, the fact that I
[15:07] Speaker 1: can call God and God will not say the things
[15:12] Speaker 1: he expects me to learn from others. And that brings
[15:17] Speaker 1: me to one conclusion. Nobody will know God enough to
[15:22] Speaker 1: the point that you don't need people. God is not
[15:26] Speaker 1: going to give you the luxy of concluding you know
[15:29] Speaker 1: even enough to the point that you don't need people.
[15:33] Speaker 1: He's not going to give you the loxy to conclude
[15:34] Speaker 1: that you know even to the point enough to the
[15:36] Speaker 1: point that you don't need systems that you don't need lessons,
[15:40] Speaker 1: that you don't need the wisdom. You will never have
[15:44] Speaker 1: that luxury in There are aspects in your life that
[15:49] Speaker 1: you feel I know God too well in this aspect,
[15:52] Speaker 1: I don't need to be mentored that I don't need
[15:55] Speaker 1: to hah. You feel you feel in those aspects, and
[16:07] Speaker 1: it's painful. Sorry, I'm searing. It's painful because the assumption
[16:13] Speaker 1: we all have about God is the one that the
[16:17] Speaker 1: moment we know him, it will let me feel, It
[16:22] Speaker 1: will let me do all those things it doesn't want
[16:25] Speaker 1: us to feel. But maybe sometimes his hands will be
[16:30] Speaker 1: tired because you have neglected that one principle that has
[16:37] Speaker 1: been put in place to make sure we don't feel
[16:42] Speaker 1: the beautiful lessons we can learn from ourselves. There are
[16:51] Speaker 1: places that have been called to because I'm part of
[16:54] Speaker 1: their board, and I also observe that there is a
[17:04] Speaker 1: philosophy at work here that will in that any perspective
[17:11] Speaker 1: of bringing to the table. And yet the organization is
[17:13] Speaker 1: around with impression that they shouldn't fail. Oh, I've spoken
[17:22] Speaker 1: in places that I know that they will fail. Yeah,
[17:27] Speaker 1: I saw it coming because in some places I saw
[17:33] Speaker 1: that they were not enabling the generation that can bring
[17:36] Speaker 1: new perspectives. They're trying to put old wine in new
[17:42] Speaker 1: wine's skin, and they are dreamed so in Jesus' name.
[17:46] Speaker 1: And that's the assumption again that the movement we call
[17:50] Speaker 1: him everything ought to work. It's not true. That's religious conclusion.
[17:59] Speaker 1: I mean, you can only befew I've said if we
[18:02] Speaker 1: have not seen Christians will call him phil and again
[18:07] Speaker 1: that brings us to another assumption that maybe they're not
[18:14] Speaker 1: Christian enough. Sometimes they are, but there's just something they missed.
[18:20] Speaker 1: And look at it that, Oh God, every scene can
[18:25] Speaker 1: practically go out because of a knowledge I refuse to acquire.
[18:34] Speaker 1: That's wild. That's wild. And the fact that you will
[18:46] Speaker 1: not yet the evidence to say it's wild. How many
[18:54] Speaker 1: people are currently walking in the face of the earth
[18:57] Speaker 1: right now with the assumption that they will do well,
[19:09] Speaker 1: that they will be fulfilled, they'll be happily married, they
[19:14] Speaker 1: will have children, they will be able to travel around
[19:18] Speaker 1: the world, they will be able to live a life
[19:22] Speaker 1: of freedom. But God also knows it's not true. But
[19:28] Speaker 1: they're in church. Why can't you your stellas? Why can't
[19:32] Speaker 1: he your say all those things? So we can't serve
[19:34] Speaker 1: him in bad They be saying it, but not for
[19:37] Speaker 1: the means. We're thinking.
[19:39] Speaker 2: Two people, true schools, two academies, and we despise those
[19:46] Speaker 2: things because they don't wear religious scholars That's the problem.
[19:52] Speaker 1: I remember one time we had an interview and I
[19:58] Speaker 1: look at my interview and I'm not proud to say this.
[20:03] Speaker 1: I looked at the person I was interviewing when the
[20:05] Speaker 1: cameras were off and I said to her, you have
[20:10] Speaker 1: solution to cancer. Tell me guess what she said. He said,
[20:18] Speaker 1: I have dis supplement that has reversed stage four cancer
[20:23] Speaker 1: every time we met it. But we couldn't put that
[20:26] Speaker 1: on camera. We did not. We couldn't because our world
[20:35] Speaker 1: is not ready for it. And my team asks me,
[20:37] Speaker 1: what was the implication of not putting this out on
[20:39] Speaker 1: that said people will die. Not proud to say that,
[20:49] Speaker 1: but that's the way our world works. That's the way
[20:54] Speaker 1: our world works, because I understand just gonna argue and
[21:01] Speaker 1: argue and argue, and there's no point you can even
[21:08] Speaker 1: lose everything because you try to help. And because we
[21:19] Speaker 1: keep asking how can one place and have solution to
[21:22] Speaker 1: all the problems and they're not saying is maybe they
[21:25] Speaker 1: are And maybe sometimes our track record I have shown that
[21:30] Speaker 1: what we don't understand where we brand call it Conspiracytory
[21:34] Speaker 1: call it all those things, call them lies, refew the people,
[21:37] Speaker 1: insult them, call them names. Maybe that's the reason we
[21:40] Speaker 1: have opera on social media. Someone that's seen a head,
[21:43] Speaker 1: we've not seen it. We may not see it. And
[21:45] Speaker 1: the fact that we think we are religious. People think
[21:48] Speaker 1: we think God should always tell us everything. I know
[21:54] Speaker 1: the child of the widow died of the tsunami who
[21:57] Speaker 1: man died in the Bible, and Elia said, God did
[21:59] Speaker 1: not tell me. We can't know everything. Stop putting that
[22:03] Speaker 1: body on yourself because you're religious. I web that night
[22:11] Speaker 1: when my team hacks me, people are going to die.
[22:18] Speaker 1: How many more things that can solve the problem of
[22:20] Speaker 1: people I write there online or just won't take because again,
[22:27] Speaker 1: we always have brands for what we don't understand. Conspiracy story.
[22:35] Speaker 1: Conspiracy story doesn't mean lies. It is the truth with
[22:39] Speaker 1: not being able to place yet oftentimes maybe just it's
[22:49] Speaker 1: just me. Let me me say that. I can say
[22:53] Speaker 1: I have so much pain here because I do everything
[22:58] Speaker 1: I'm doing in profit, personally and even in other aspects,
[23:07] Speaker 1: because I think I am one of those who believe
[23:11] Speaker 1: that we can have a predictable world, the body of
[23:15] Speaker 1: knowledge with a predictable result. But I've just seen that
[23:20] Speaker 1: it's not that straightforward. We most put in consideration the
[23:24] Speaker 1: human factor. Most put in consideration other factors that the
[23:31] Speaker 1: capacity to make intentions remain as intentions and sometimes they
[23:37] Speaker 1: may not ever come to fruition. This is concerning for me.
[23:46] Speaker 1: I don't know about you. We can serve God and
[23:59] Speaker 1: feel you can be in charge all your life and
[24:09] Speaker 1: not to succeed. He has laid down systems. Maybe that's
[24:18] Speaker 1: what we need to check. Maybe it doesn't bother saying
[24:24] Speaker 1: what someone around is already saying, and it thinks that
[24:28] Speaker 1: in your humility, if truly you want knowledge as you
[24:31] Speaker 1: want it, ye're the person. And at this point I
[24:40] Speaker 1: have to confess that, you know, I really don't believe
[24:43] Speaker 1: in many of the expresses peop who claim they have
[24:46] Speaker 1: that they went to Evan and because the example we
[24:55] Speaker 1: had in the Bible, the rich man said that said
[25:00] Speaker 1: as I was to come tell his brothers, Jesus said
[25:05] Speaker 1: they have people on earth that I should talk to them.
[25:11] Speaker 1: Maybe sometimes we're praying long because we have despised men.
[25:19] Speaker 1: Maybe God doesn't send from ever what is already on
[25:23] Speaker 1: earth that they passed from men to men. This is
[25:28] Speaker 1: just random many saying me, maybe this will help you
[25:35] Speaker 1: as it has helped me. This is what many of
[25:39] Speaker 1: us have been getting wrong as Christians. That has made
[25:43] Speaker 1: us become bad examples, and we are failed to become
[25:46] Speaker 1: salt of the earth. First. Maybe I see you some
[25:54] Speaker 1: other time.

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