# Sex, Confidence & Connection: The Truth About Male Escorts

An episode of [Vain-ish](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1824105551), 22 Sep 2026, 1 h 00 min.

Audio: https://enrichment.soundstack.com/4vjqq8/episode.flightcast.com/01M26YHRXAN2R8A0PYJPA92200.mp3

What are women really paying for when they book a male escort? Bec and Jess go behind the scenes of the world of male companionship with Anna Grosman, owner of Her Confidant, and Hudson, one of her experienced companions. From who books them and why, to connection, confidence and what actually happens behind closed doors, they reveal a side of the industry you probably haven’t heard before. Anna shares what she’s learnt from the women who use her agency, while Hudson opens up about the realities of the job - including the surprising things women worry about when it comes to their appearance. It’s a candid conversation about intimacy, vulnerability, feeling desired and the power of human connection… with a few revelations along the way. The first episode in a two-part series, featuring personal experiences and professional perspectives. For general informational and entertainment purposes only. Find us on Instagram: @vainishpodcast and thanks to our guests Anna Grosman and Hudson Hosts: @becjudd and @jessierobertsx Producer: Liza Altarejos Audio Imager: Chris Marsh Video Producer: Justin Hill Find more great podcasts at LiSTNR

## Transcript

[0:02] a listener production.
[0:05] I'm Bec Judd.
[0:06] And I'm Jess Roberts.
[0:07] And we're done with the smoke and mirrors.
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[0:15] And you should know the stuff that we chat about on this podcast is based on our personal experiences.
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[0:49] Hey guys, it's Bec John.
[0:51] And Jess Roberts.
[0:52] And welcome to Vanish.
[0:53] Oh, Jess Roberts.
[0:54] Roberts.
[0:56] Can you sing?
[0:57] I can.
[0:57] No, no, no.
[0:58] Can you sing your name?
[0:59] I can sing.
[1:00] Jess Roberts.
[1:01] Jess Roberts.
[1:02] Roberts.
[1:02] Roberts.
[1:03] Don't let me play solo.
[1:04] Anyway.
[1:04] How are you, babe?
[1:05] I'm good, babe.
[1:05] I'm excited about this one.
[1:07] It's been in the works for a while and we've finally been able to make it happen.
[1:10] I know.
[1:11] It's kind of a little bit of a departure from what we usually talk about, but I guess we're kind of linking it all in at the same time.
[1:18] I feel like it's a bit wellness.
[1:20] It's wellness.
[1:21] It's self-care.
[1:22] It's self-care.
[1:23] And you know what?
[1:25] Let's be honest.
[1:26] Orgasms do make you glow and look younger and feel younger.
[1:31] Really?
[1:32] Yeah.
[1:32] How do they make you look younger?
[1:33] And guys, we are not promoting dildos right now.
[1:36] Oh God, I would never if I'm ever at that stage.
[1:40] No.
[1:41] Tell me to retire.
[1:42] Yeah, yeah, literally.
[1:43] Anyway, so what are we chatting about today, Bec?
[1:45] Today, we are talking about what women are really paying for when they book a male escort.
[1:54] Oh my God.
[1:55] Oh la la.
[1:56] Today we take a look at the male escort industry, the first in a two-part series from the woman running the business to a man working in it while exploring the very vain-ish questions underneath it all.
[2:10] Did you like that intro or are you intrigued?
[2:13] I'm actually hooked already.
[2:16] So like, do women want sex?
[2:18] Do they want attention or is it that they just want to feel desired?
[2:21] Yeah.
[2:21] Yeah, like does feeling attractive change your confidence?
[2:24] What do men actually find attractive?
[2:26] And why are women willing to pay for something dating doesn't always deliver?
[2:30] Yeah.
[2:31] I'm so intrigued to know what kind of women book this and why.
[2:37] Yeah, I just don't know what to expect with this.
[2:39] It's like age.
[2:40] What age are they?
[2:41] Are they, you know, is it for companion like just going out on dates or is it actually physical sex?
[2:47] Yeah.
[2:47] Are they married?
[2:48] Are they single?
[2:49] Are they divorced?
[2:50] Are they virgins?
[2:51] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[2:53] All the questions, all the things.
[2:56] So we would like to welcome the owner of Her Confidant, Anna Grossman, to Vanish.
[3:03] Welcome, Anna.
[3:05] Thank you so much for having me, ladies.
[3:06] I'm so excited.
[3:07] Let's talk about sex, baby.
[3:09] Let's talk about you and me.
[3:11] Yes, so much.
[3:12] So good.
[3:13] So Anna, how did you end up running a male escort business?
[3:17] Oh gosh, it's a long story.
[3:18] I guess I was always sexually curious as a young child.
[3:22] So I had a really bit of a traumatic experience when I was seven.
[3:25] I was playing doctors and nurses with a little boy who was living above us in an apartment block.
[3:31] And my dad came in and saw us playing with each other.
[3:34] Whatever we were doing, I can't physically, I can't mentally remember exactly, but I got belted for that.
[3:38] Obviously, it felt good.
[3:40] Enjoyed it.
[3:40] It was innocent child play.
[3:42] So I was brought up in a very conservative family where we didn't talk about sex.
[3:47] We didn't talk about anything.
[3:48] I don't even think I asked my mum about periods.
[3:50] I just got it and found a pad.
[3:52] So I was always very sexually curious and used to find sex books in my parents' bedroom and
[3:59] Around 17, I had my first sexual experience with an older guy that lasted six months.
[4:07] He was cheating.
[4:07] And then I met my husband.
[4:08] So my husband and I have been together for 38 years and married for 32.
[4:11] He's a GP.
[4:14] And we just connected really well.
[4:17] we're on the same wave sexually.
[4:19] Yeah.
[4:19] So sex was always amazing.
[4:21] We're always very open, vulnerable, talked about it, explored, played.
[4:24] And sex is meant to be about having fun and playing, being really vulnerable with your body, just enjoying it.
[4:30] It's meant to be fun.
[4:31] Like it's meant to be fun and...
[4:34] That's how I've always been.
[4:35] I thought everyone else was having amazing sex.
[4:38] One of my close girlfriends had separated and we were in our 30s and she was dating and the dating apps back then, so this is 20-odd years ago, not really huge, and she was telling me that there's not many decent men on these apps where you can have a lovely conversation.
[4:53] good sex, there was nothing.
[4:56] So we created our first escort agency called Aphrodisiac back in 2012.
[5:00] We were not from the industry and that was really successful for six years, but our partnership just had to be closed down for whatever reason.
[5:08] In 2018, I had a few years break, had a hysterectomy, a couple of
[5:12] Hips replaced, as you do.
[5:14] Yeah, and then people were still messaging me regarding opening up the agency again because it was so successful.
[5:21] I helped so many people.
[5:22] We did a lot of PR.
[5:24] And I started Her Confidant on Valentine's Day, February 2024, to give women their own gift to give to themselves.
[5:33] So that was a really special moment.
[5:36] And we've been running for two and a half years and here we are.
[5:39] And yeah, it is, as you were saying, all about wellness because our overall mental health, it all comes from our mind and wellness.
[5:48] We're human beings.
[5:49] We come from sex.
[5:50] So we shouldn't be ashamed to talk about it, express ourselves.
[5:54] But with all the stigma and shame that's out there, it's really, really difficult to break through as I'm trying to get through those glass ceilings.
[6:03] And I think we're doing really well and allowing this beautiful, safe, trustworthy space, working with the right men in all the processes that I've got in place for reasons that they feel safe enough to use the services and trust
[6:16] and have amazing life experiences.
[6:18] So there's a whole, this is like a big octopus with lots of arms and legs.
[6:22] And so there's a lot of different areas.
[6:25] And I want people to respect this space.
[6:27] It's a really beautiful space where so much wonderful things happen for women.
[6:31] What surprised you about it, this industry, when you entered it?
[6:34] Well, it's not really dirty or dingy.
[6:37] There's no mafia.
[6:38] I worked in different professions.
[6:40] I'm a massage therapist of nearly 20 years.
[6:43] I've worked in a medical clinic for 10 years where I managed it.
[6:47] We had over 10,000 patients.
[6:49] And I do things professionally, respectfully with integrity.
[6:52] So that's any business I would come, whether it's sex or not.
[6:55] I guess it depends on how you are as yourself and how you would create a business.
[7:00] So I'm
[7:01] I knew I wasn't going to be going to talk to any mafia people or any of that.
[7:07] So we created our own little space and it sort of worked that way.
[7:12] I guess there's been like, if you think about it, there's so many websites that are out there for female escorts, but there's not much for men.
[7:21] To book a male escort.
[7:22] To book a male escort.
[7:23] For women.
[7:24] And that's where the seediness probably comes from, right?
[7:26] I mean, they've disrespected women and they just use them as like meat.
[7:30] Yeah, yeah.
[7:31] It's a very different industry.
[7:34] It's mainly run by men, right?
[7:36] Most of it.
[7:36] There have been a few women that I know of that have run brothels or escort agency.
[7:40] I've done my research over the years.
[7:42] But...
[7:43] I am my demographic.
[7:44] I am a woman.
[7:45] I know exactly what women want.
[7:46] I've lived through my 20s, my 30s, my 40s, and now I'm 55.
[7:49] So I know exactly what my demographic needs and wants.
[7:53] Whereas if you're dealing with a male who's running a service like this, he has no idea what a woman, he doesn't care.
[7:58] They just want the money.
[8:00] One of my friends worked as a manager in a brothel and she said the men would come in,
[8:05] with their wedding bands on early in the morning on her way to work in suits.
[8:09] She was sitting through a girl being interviewed.
[8:11] She'd just come in and literally half an hour later she was already working.
[8:16] Oh, wow.
[8:17] So they didn't even do anything.
[8:19] They just put her straight in and it's quite dangerous.
[8:23] As a woman, a young woman, like 18, 19, 20, they would just put her on...
[8:30] on the floor and get her to work.
[8:32] Like, it's disgusting.
[8:34] But also it's just disgusting and disrespectful.
[8:36] Because I feel like if you have had the interview and you get the job, I think for a woman to go away and kind of process that she's got the job is super important than just being thrown into the workforce.
[8:47] But that's what I do with the men as well.
[8:49] So they will contact me via email or phone call.
[8:52] They will then be sent a questionnaire.
[8:54] There's 35 questions.
[8:55] A lot of them are psychological questions.
[8:57] Mm-hmm.
[8:58] I really want to know why they want to do this job and I want to know who they are and I'm looking for men of substance and life experience.
[9:07] Professional men, they all work in full-time professional jobs and this is something they do on the side.
[9:11] So a lot of escorts just do escorting and I would never work with men like that.
[9:16] I've never really done that.
[9:18] So...
[9:19] It's important for them to have their own job because when they connect with a client who is also, whether she's a CEO or a stay-at-home mom who has her own business or just any gorgeous, beautiful, smart woman, they want to connect mentally.
[9:32] It's that mental connection that allows them then to open up and have these wonderful experiences.
[9:39] So on that, who is actually booking male escorts and is there a typical woman?
[9:44] They vary.
[9:45] Like we've had clients ranging from mid-20s as virgins because they're too scared to go on the apps and get a disease or get drugged or get murdered because of all the horrific stuff that's going out there.
[9:57] And they want a trustworthy, safe space.
[9:59] And then we vary right from 25 to 75, 78, I think is our oldest.
[10:01] Really?
[10:03] And they're having amazing sex, better than the 30 and 40-year-olds.
[10:06] Wow.
[10:07] And they've come out of marriages out of 40 years where they've had no sex.
[10:10] The husband just refused to touch them.
[10:12] And they thought there was something wrong with them, but it was actually the husband.
[10:16] And now they're like, what have I...
[10:18] 40 years, I'm 70s, and this is crazy.
[10:22] But also women that have probably gone through their whole marriage and not had an orgasm.
[10:25] Exactly.
[10:26] And now they're finally experiencing it.
[10:27] Exactly.
[10:28] This is probably a stupid question.
[10:30] No, nothing's stupid.
[10:30] Can you still orgasm when you're that old?
[10:32] Absolutely.
[10:33] Really?
[10:34] Yes.
[10:34] Good to know.
[10:35] Good to know.
[10:36] You'll have Hudson explaining to you what actually happens.
[10:40] So Hudson's one of your male escorts who we'll speak to a little later in the episode.
[10:43] That's right.
[10:44] He's in the room with his clients.
[10:45] Yeah.
[10:45] Yeah.
[10:46] It's amazing.
[10:47] These women are in their 70s going, I never thought I would be having such incredible sex at this age.
[10:52] Why wasn't I doing it earlier?
[10:54] But it's all that shame, the religion that's put on us girls.
[10:57] You know, remember as young as you can when you were little, don't talk to men.
[11:01] Men are bad.
[11:02] You know, they'll do something.
[11:04] Like we've always been brought up about being awkward and careful around men.
[11:08] Yeah.
[11:09] And have to protect ourselves.
[11:11] Guys are not like that.
[11:12] They can walk at night.
[11:12] They can run.
[11:13] You know, all those women that have been raped or pulled into, going for a run.
[11:16] Like we can't even go for a run without having to check the back.
[11:20] It's ridiculous what's happening in 2026.
[11:21] Yeah, it is, isn't it?
[11:23] You've got girls.
[11:24] You've got children, you know, young teenagers.
[11:27] It's scary what's out there for girls.
[11:29] Yeah, it is.
[11:30] Yeah.
[11:31] So who else books?
[11:32] So you've got the older ladies, you've got the 20-year-old virgins.
[11:38] Yes, we've got the 30, 40, 50, 60-year-olds who are divorced or not interested in being in a relationship.
[11:46] They're really happily...
[11:48] living on their own, they've got really busy businesswomen, got kids possibly, family, friends.
[11:54] They're quite satisfied with life and all they're missing is a little bit of intimacy but they don't want the responsibility of looking after someone else.
[12:01] They've got enough on their plate and they choose to book when they want to, have a wonderful evening overnight or weekend or whatever it is or a week away and then they go back to their life.
[12:11] They have a wonderful memory, a wonderful experience
[12:14] And then they'll call me again.
[12:15] Yeah.
[12:15] So, yeah, I'd say the middle sort of between 40s and 70s, I would say that would be the main sort of demographic, but then we've got on either side as well.
[12:25] Yeah.
[12:25] Didn't even think of virgins in their 20s.
[12:28] Well, yeah, we've got an interesting story.
[12:30] That's what we'll share with you about a virgin.
[12:33] Yeah.
[12:34] Virgins at 40, 50.
[12:35] Women are not having sex because of religion or they've been raped as children.
[12:40] Yeah.
[12:40] So they're petrified of having sex.
[12:42] Mm-hmm.
[12:43] God, they're scared of God or what their parents or grandparents, like some of them won't even do it until their grandparents die or parents have passed away.
[12:49] Like, can you imagine like having that kind of pressure on you?
[12:53] A world without sex though as well.
[12:56] Because you're holding yourself for what and for who?
[12:58] Yeah, yeah.
[12:58] Like when a man has sex, whenever he is 15, 16, that's cool.
[13:03] Give him a pat on the back.
[13:04] Good boy.
[13:04] You've lost your virginity or whatever it is.
[13:06] But for a woman, we're degraded.
[13:09] We're a slut-shamed because we have too many experiences with men.
[13:13] But men, get a pat on the back for...
[13:15] Having sex.
[13:16] Having sex and having fun and, yeah, I'm over it.
[13:18] Yeah.
[13:19] Like my top says, fuck normal.
[13:22] I want magic.
[13:23] Magical orgasm.
[13:24] Everyone, you get an orgasm, you get an orgasm.
[13:28] So proud.
[13:28] Exactly.
[13:29] Horrible orgasm.
[13:30] Exactly.
[13:32] What do people get completely wrong about women who use male escorts?
[13:36] That there's something wrong with them, that they're unattractive,
[13:41] There's something physically, emotionally wrong with them.
[13:44] It's so far from the truth.
[13:46] I work with the most beautiful, smart, intelligent women I've ever met in my life.
[13:52] And, you know, whether they've gone through trauma or whatever they've gone through, they just want a beautiful, safe space where they can just be themselves.
[14:01] We just want to always be ourselves.
[14:04] I think everyone's too afraid to be themselves.
[14:06] They want to fit in.
[14:07] They want to look the same, say, like Kardashians or whoever, the face, the body, you know, this is vanish.
[14:13] So we all want to look like someone else.
[14:15] You know, when I was younger, I wanted to look like Cindy Crawford or Elle McPherson.
[14:19] I would never have been like her because I'm not the same height.
[14:22] I don't have the same, you know, DNA or metabolism.
[14:26] So these, you know, unrealistic expectations, I think, of people.
[14:31] Mm-hmm.
[14:32] So, yeah, the clients are incredible that we have and we have such amazing life-changing experiences for them.
[14:39] It's absolutely, it is magic.
[14:41] I can't explain it.
[14:41] It is magic.
[14:42] Being kind and compassionate with a person and allowing them that space to just be themselves and take a deep breath and not feel judged.
[14:50] It's a very safe space that we've created where they're not judged.
[14:54] They are allowed to be themselves for once in their life.
[14:58] Yeah, right.
[14:58] It's really amazing how that then works on your psyche.
[15:03] Mine change immediately.
[15:04] Like if I've spoken to a woman and she's stressed and anxious because she's never done this before and I'll talk to them for half an hour to an hour and then I speak to them after the booking, completely to different women.
[15:16] Really?
[15:17] The confidence is mind-blowing.
[15:19] Yeah.
[15:20] They've got this strut.
[15:21] Even at work, they say, people are saying, what's happened?
[15:24] You're smiling.
[15:24] You're happy.
[15:25] Changes.
[15:26] Like, I'm talking to you about it.
[15:27] I've got goosebumps coming through me.
[15:29] Yeah, good on you.
[15:30] Yeah, so it's incredible.
[15:31] I can't, it's just such a special space that I've created.
[15:36] Are these women coming for mainly sex or is it other things as well, like just having a companion?
[15:42] Yeah, companionship.
[15:43] They just want to be able to sit and talk and be present in a conversation without being interrupted.
[15:50] I talk about...
[15:52] interesting conversations, whatever it is, whether it's a book, travels, whatever it might be.
[15:58] We don't get a chance to do that.
[16:00] Everyone's on their phones or laptops.
[16:02] We don't just sit still and really eye-to-eye contact.
[16:05] It's so, so important.
[16:06] What's the ratio in terms of like actual sexual services and...
[16:12] Companionship.
[16:12] The companionship.
[16:13] I'd say 90%.
[16:16] They might start off with just the social very rarely, but it goes into that intimacy space.
[16:21] I guess like that is, you know, women thinking, what's that saying?
[16:24] You have to help with the dishes before you... Yeah.
[16:28] Yeah, that whole saying.
[16:29] What is that saying?
[16:30] Yeah, you know the saying?
[16:31] It's like, you know, women just don't, you know, wham, bam, thank you, ma'am kind of thing.
[16:35] It's more of like we need to be.
[16:37] It's sexy to see a guy wash the dishes or cook you a meal.
[16:40] And that's what the guys can do if you want.
[16:42] Yeah.
[16:43] Yeah.
[16:43] I create whatever fantasy they want.
[16:45] They'll come in with lists as we'll show you.
[16:47] That was my next question.
[16:48] Does everyone give their request before the booking?
[16:51] Yeah, if they know what they want.
[16:52] The escort knows what they're walking into.
[16:53] Or sometimes do you just get a booking and it's like, we'll just decide on the day what we're going to do.
[16:58] Yeah, it's either way.
[16:59] Sometimes they have a bucket list that they've been keeping for years and no one else has known about it.
[17:04] And other times they'll just go in and go with the flow, let it unfold naturally, organically within the space of the booking.
[17:11] Do the escorts feel, for instance, if you've got a booking and there's no list, do the escorts feel a bit intimidated walking into a session if there isn't like a
[17:23] Well, usually before a booking, they will get a bit of bio on each client.
[17:26] Okay.
[17:27] I'll give them a bio of what she's shared with me and if she wants something specific.
[17:32] So they already know that part.
[17:33] They'll have something that they might have in common conversation, whether it's a travel thing, whether it's a work thing.
[17:39] Some of them become a bit of a mentor to them if they work in similar fields.
[17:44] A friendship, a relationship forms of such.
[17:47] And they just use their intuition.
[17:50] Yeah, they'll make the client feel as relaxed as possible.
[17:54] They've all got great senses of humour.
[17:56] That's a must.
[17:57] And they really click downstairs in that first hour when they meet, downstairs in a hotel bar restaurant.
[18:03] They'll have a chat, have a drink, really relax.
[18:05] And most clients tell me within five minutes, they're like, I don't even know what I was nervous about.
[18:09] This is so... Because the guys are just really authentically, genuinely kind, compassionate people.
[18:14] empathetic men.
[18:15] They're not doing it for anything more.
[18:17] They love women and they love seeing women enjoy themselves.
[18:20] It makes them happy when a woman is enjoying themselves.
[18:23] You know, there's not many around.
[18:25] I've only got, I think now, 15 or 16 of them.
[18:28] But they come to me and I find them.
[18:30] I don't ever look.
[18:31] They always email and they're little gems out there that I'm lucky enough to find and work with.
[18:39] Yeah.
[18:40] Are you purely based in Victoria?
[18:43] No, we're based all over Australia and I'm looking into going international as well.
[18:47] That's been a dream of mine.
[18:48] So I think next year, you know, just trying to make sure there's enough gentlemen in every state.
[18:53] So we cover Brisbane, Perth, Sydney, Newcastle, Victoria, Melbourne.
[18:59] They fly around if you need to or the clients will.
[19:01] fly into the state wherever the companion is.
[19:04] Like if they've got work, work will put them into whichever state and they will then have in the evening after their seminar or whatever meeting they'll catch up with the companion.
[19:14] That's the other thing I was going to ask you with escorts.
[19:17] Is this their second job or is this purely their job?
[19:19] No, this is their second job.
[19:20] Their second job.
[19:21] So they'll do maybe one or two bookings a week or every fortnight, but they mainly work in their full-time job.
[19:28] Job, okay.
[19:28] Yeah.
[19:29] How does the pay rate work?
[19:31] So they're 60-40.
[19:32] I get 60, they get 40.
[19:34] I spent a lot of time with PR, advertising, marketing.
[19:38] I've got an in-house marketing, advertising girl that works with me.
[19:42] Yeah.
[19:42] And I also have admin staff as well to help me through as we're growing and getting bigger and there's a lot to juggle.
[19:48] I have to remember their real names.
[19:49] I have to remember their...
[19:50] Alias names.
[19:51] They've all an alias name.
[19:53] Yeah, they all have an alias name.
[19:54] And then like in terms of like a pricing structure, is it like an hourly rate or a whole weekend?
[20:00] Like how do you cost it up?
[20:01] So there's experience.
[20:02] And are there people who are different escorts priced differently based on experience or are there?
[20:07] Yeah.
[20:08] You want to know it all.
[20:08] Are there any success rate for orgasm?
[20:11] Yeah.
[20:13] No, the pricing is equal for all gentlemen.
[20:16] So it's 40-60.
[20:17] They get 40 of the experience cost of the booking and we split it 40-60.
[20:23] An hourly rate or...
[20:25] Hourly rate, if a client wants to add on an intimacy hour, I think they're at 8.50 now per hour for intimacy.
[20:32] And that gets added on to the booking.
[20:35] So if a guy comes in and he is there just to really watch Netflix and chill, and then all of a sudden there might be intimacy added to it, is it almost like...
[20:48] Do they tally it up at the end?
[20:49] They'll sort it out the next day.
[20:51] Oh, sort it out the next day, yeah.
[20:53] Before each booking, they'll book months in advance or weeks in advance and they'll pay.
[20:57] So when a booking is locked in, they've paid for the full amount.
[21:01] I've got all their details.
[21:03] So if they want to extend, there's always a possibility and they'll fix me up the next day.
[21:06] I trust that.
[21:07] Okay, yeah.
[21:08] Yeah, that's easy.
[21:09] So you pay.
[21:09] So I don't want them to worry about money and cash and swapping.
[21:12] So all that financials is taken care of weeks and months in advance.
[21:16] They will rock up on the day of the booking.
[21:18] I will SMS them to say, you know, the gentleman's arrived.
[21:23] They'll tell me where to meet, which hotel, which restaurant, which bar.
[21:26] Once they've met, the guys will SMS me.
[21:28] I found her.
[21:29] And then I'll talk to them afterwards.
[21:31] I'll check in after the booking with the gentleman plus with the client to make sure they're
[21:35] everyone's okay if I need to sort anything out.
[21:38] Yeah, so there's always...
[21:40] I'm there before, middle, and after if they need me.
[21:43] I'm their wing woman, as I call it.
[21:45] Are there any red flags where you think, oh, she's getting too close or she's getting attached?
[21:51] Yeah, there have been, there have been, but I'm quite...
[21:55] because this is my second agency, I've been doing it on and off for 15 years.
[21:58] I'm quite aware when a client's getting, probably I think we were discussing it with Hudson, fourth or fifth booking is sometimes with some clients and we'll need to just remind them gently that, hey, we're not here to take advantage of you.
[22:13] We want to make sure that you're aware that this is, you know, a service and... Not a relationship.
[22:19] No, exactly.
[22:20] Yeah.
[22:21] Have you had...
[22:22] any women and escorts fall in love and then that's it.
[22:28] No.
[22:28] No.
[22:29] No, we haven't had that.
[22:29] You haven't had that yet?
[22:30] I haven't really allowed it.
[22:32] I probably, I'm really quite sticky on that.
[22:35] I really want to make sure that they're getting so much out of this service for them.
[22:39] It's nothing about the gentleman and they're just there to help them along.
[22:43] Yeah.
[22:43] Yeah.
[22:44] It's interesting because I would have thought like, you know, found your soulmate.
[22:47] Yeah.
[22:48] I think they'd love to.
[22:49] They're lovely guys.
[22:50] They're attractive.
[22:51] Yeah.
[22:51] They're funny.
[22:52] They're great.
[22:53] I'm just picturing in my head the 30 or 40-year-old virgin who saved herself and then this man gives her, this gorgeous gentleman gives her this gift.
[23:02] It would be very hard to not have such a huge emotional attachment.
[23:07] Exactly.
[23:07] To that gentleman.
[23:08] Yeah.
[23:09] When you've been waiting your whole life.
[23:10] So that would be, I think, really interesting to manage.
[23:14] But also if they get along and then, you know.
[23:18] They click on so many different.
[23:19] They click on so many different.
[23:20] But they do a lot of research, these women.
[23:22] Some of them tell me they've had my number and website for a year before they call me.
[23:27] That's how petrified and anxious they are to pick up the phone.
[23:29] I said, it's just me, little old me on the phone.
[23:31] Yeah.
[23:31] But they're worried that.
[23:33] Someone actually asked me, are you real?
[23:35] When I was SMSing with them, I go, yeah, I'm real.
[23:37] Like they think they're talking to an AI bot.
[23:40] Yeah.
[23:40] Yeah.
[23:41] Oh, well.
[23:41] I'd ask that too.
[23:42] In this day and age.
[23:44] Yeah, no, I know.
[23:44] But that's just, I mean, I'm old school.
[23:47] I'm 55 and it's not how I'm wired up.
[23:50] Yeah.
[23:50] So I said, yeah, no, it's me.
[23:51] Call me, give me a buzz and let's have a chat and we'll talk through it.
[23:55] This is one of those industries that AI is not going to take this job.
[23:58] No.
[23:58] If you're listening.
[23:59] I mean, they're trying.
[24:00] They're trying with the dolls and stuff, but it's just terrific.
[24:04] People want a connection.
[24:05] Yeah.
[24:05] Human connection.
[24:06] I think human interaction is really important.
[24:08] Speaking of human connection, I think we need to get Hudson in to a...
[24:13] answer all of our questions.
[24:14] I'm so fascinated.
[24:16] Yes.
[24:16] So Hudson is one of your male escorts.
[24:19] Yes.
[24:19] He's quite popular over the last, he's been working with me for the last couple of years.
[24:23] He's been the longest with me.
[24:25] Yeah.
[24:25] And he's my free range chicken, I call him.
[24:27] He's just, he's humble.
[24:29] He's down to earth.
[24:30] He's so respectful and just a wonderful human being with a beautiful heart and so much compassion and empathy.
[24:36] And I'm so grateful to have found him to be able to
[24:39] Help me create her confidant and everything that we stand for.
[24:42] Yeah.
[24:43] So, so important.
[24:44] All right.
[24:44] Let's bring him in.
[24:45] Let's bring him in.
[24:51] Hudson.
[24:54] Okay, Hudson, welcome.
[24:57] Hello, guys.
[24:57] Thanks for having me.
[24:58] We've heard Anna talking about the women who book you.
[25:02] We hear that you are one of her most popular men.
[25:05] We want to hear what this world is actually like from your side.
[25:10] I've never had a conversation with a male escort.
[25:13] I don't know any male escorts.
[25:14] You're the first male escort I've ever met.
[25:16] You too, Jess?
[25:17] Yeah, yeah.
[25:17] This is my first.
[25:18] No pressure.
[25:19] No pressure.
[25:22] Hudson, how did you get into the sex industry?
[25:24] How did I get into it?
[25:25] Yeah.
[25:26] Well, so, you know, I don't live in the traditional relationship space, I guess.
[25:32] And so one of my non-monogamous partners, one of my friends, suggested that I could be good for that space because she knew somebody that was a male escort and he was a bit of a dick.
[25:45] Right.
[25:45] And you're not, and you've got high stamina and you've got a level of EQ that I, you know, and I said, you know what?
[25:53] And so that sat with me for a couple of days and then I went in and did it.
[25:57] I went online and I went into the independent space for the first time.
[26:01] 12 months, I guess, maybe a little bit less than that.
[26:04] And then I found Anna.
[26:05] But yeah, it was through one of my intimate friends.
[26:08] Yeah.
[26:09] That suggested it.
[26:10] Yeah, right.
[26:11] So when you say independent space, so you kind of managed yourself, how did you put yourself out there?
[26:14] Yeah.
[26:15] Yeah, so there's a couple of sites that, if you're looking for a mail escort, the directory space.
[26:22] Yeah, so I was in there for a little while.
[26:25] It didn't really suit me because, you know, hey, can you meet me after a girl's night out in my hotel room?
[26:31] I'll leave you a card at the desk and then it's sort of a bit...
[26:35] I guess a lot of guys would love that, but it's also, it's quite product-based.
[26:39] I think it's a little bit like what the female escorts would experience on their side.
[26:43] Yeah.
[26:44] It's that wham-bam space.
[26:45] Yeah.
[26:46] And I felt like I had more to offer than that as well rather than just, I mean, that's great, but I think I see the space a lot from the female side of it in terms of, you know, the connection, the conversation, the, you know, the stimulation of the mind as well as, hey, let's explore some of the sexuality as well.
[27:05] So how did you find Anna?
[27:06] Anna started appearing in my feed and... Oh, was it the algorithm?
[27:10] Yeah, the algorithm got you.
[27:11] The algorithm found me.
[27:12] You know what?
[27:13] As much as we go, oh, the algorithm, the algorithm...
[27:16] I love it.
[27:17] I love it.
[27:17] The amount of stuff I buy when the algorithm just serves me exactly my aesthetic, what I like, what I'm thinking about, it's actually insane.
[27:27] Because sometimes I think, I didn't even say that out loud, I just thought it.
[27:30] I didn't Google that.
[27:31] It's true.
[27:32] That's crazy.
[27:33] Okay, so the algorithm.
[27:35] The algorithm, yeah.
[27:37] Was becoming a MLS got something you ever imagined you'd do?
[27:41] Because I believe you've got another job.
[27:43] Yeah.
[27:43] You've got a full-time job or how does – Well, I have my own company and, yeah, I keep busy.
[27:49] Yeah.
[27:50] And no, I guess I wouldn't have thought, no, I didn't.
[27:53] I really didn't think that I'd end up in this space.
[27:55] But it so turned out that I'm a natural fit in this space and I really enjoy, well, I say that, but natural fit meaning with Anna and her confidante.
[28:05] Yeah, that's the space that I really love.
[28:07] Yeah, yeah.
[28:08] Managed and I think it's just having that security as well.
[28:12] You know, the nitty-gritty things like we're managed by obviously our managers in the influence world and to have people to go through, you know,
[28:20] The client and the brief and all that stuff, I feel like that's super important.
[28:24] Yeah, and our clients wouldn't use the directory listings.
[28:27] They're not there.
[28:28] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[28:29] They're not even there because, you know, you heard Anna saying before that a lot of our clients have got their Her Confident page open for a year before they'll even make a call.
[28:39] There is no way these ladies are going into the independent directory space and dialing up, you know.
[28:46] Yeah, they're just not.
[28:47] And these clients are beautiful and it's such a unique and trusting space that we offer that fits me.
[28:56] So what was your first booking like?
[29:01] With Anna?
[29:02] With Anna.
[29:02] Yeah, with Anna.
[29:03] Yeah.
[29:04] Yeah, I remember that.
[29:06] Do you?
[29:06] Are we X-rated, by the way?
[29:08] Yeah, say it all.
[29:09] Say it all.
[29:10] Be yourself.
[29:10] Green light.
[29:11] Be you.
[29:11] Green light.
[29:12] Green light.
[29:12] Go for it.
[29:13] What was your first booking like?
[29:15] So, yeah, the first booking was at the Shangri-La and she was a –
[29:20] Cabaret dancer.
[29:21] Oh, yes.
[29:22] I remember.
[29:23] Yes.
[29:23] Yes.
[29:24] And I said, are you good?
[29:26] I said, yeah, I can get – I need to be there in two hours.
[29:29] And this is so non-typical for us because normally we'll have a month, at least two months kind of leading up to a booking.
[29:36] So to be available in two or three hours is unusual, but this is my first booking anyway, so I'm sure I can do that.
[29:43] So it was the Shangri-La in Sydney.
[29:47] And if you know that hotel, you know that it's got some incredible views of the Harper Bridge.
[29:52] And she had actually booked somebody from the independent space directory listing and he didn't show up.
[29:57] So that was like, that was the night before.
[29:59] It was meant to be.
[30:00] Yeah, it was meant to be.
[30:01] And so I got the call and we were just straight into it.
[30:04] And she was like, we spoke for maybe five or ten minutes and then we were up into the room and it was clothes off.
[30:14] And she just said, I just want you to come and fuck me up against the glass right now.
[30:19] And I said, okay.
[30:21] Okay, done.
[30:22] And that's what we did.
[30:23] And then it got pretty wild because she was really fit.
[30:27] It was like dancers.
[30:30] It was hot and sweaty and it was action packed.
[30:33] Dancers know how to fuck.
[30:36] Fuck yeah, they do.
[30:37] They do.
[30:38] They do.
[30:39] You said you've got finger marks left on the Titanic.
[30:43] Like the Titanic.
[30:43] Yes.
[30:44] Yes, yes.
[30:45] Yeah, and I try and do that with all the overnight bookings now is leave those sort of hands.
[30:49] It's a nice little memory.
[30:52] Yeah.
[30:54] So, like, I'm just thinking that men listening are going, God, Hudson's, like, actually got the best job ever.
[31:01] Yeah.
[31:01] They're actually going to quit their day jobs and do this for a living.
[31:05] Pays well and you get to fuck all the time.
[31:07] Yeah, yeah.
[31:09] Yeah, wrong reasons.
[31:11] Wrong reasons.
[31:13] So what is it that you love about this job apart from the obvious?
[31:17] Yeah.
[31:19] That's not the obvious, by the way.
[31:21] No.
[31:21] I was just going to say, what is the obvious?
[31:24] Like, what do you think is the obvious?
[31:25] It's interesting.
[31:26] I think this is a stereotype.
[31:28] Yeah.
[31:29] Yeah.
[31:31] Getting to have sex with all of these women and have intimate moments with these women.
[31:38] When I think of a man, a man's perspective, thinking of a male escort in that way.
[31:43] Yeah.
[31:44] Yeah.
[31:45] and getting paid to do something that they would love to do.
[31:48] Yeah.
[31:50] The last thing I'm thinking of in the morning if I'm waking up to a booking that evening is, oh, great, they're going to have sex tonight.
[31:56] Like that's not on my radar at all.
[31:59] That's why you've got the job and that's why you're good at it, right?
[32:02] You're happy with a Netflix and chill.
[32:03] Yeah.
[32:05] I'm thinking about, you know, I'm reading through Anna's notes and I'm making sure that, you know, this is really important to this person.
[32:11] They've outlaid a lot of money, which they've prepaid, and that it's brave, they've considered it for a long time, you know, let's not fuck this up kind of thing.
[32:21] You know, it's like it's really, it's got zero to do with me.
[32:25] The only thing that has anything to do with me is that I'm present and I'm able to listen and I'm able to absorb all of everything
[32:32] the things that matter to her during that special period of time.
[32:37] When you go in, is there the fantasy of how they want you to look, like in a suit or – Whatever they ask.
[32:45] Yeah, they ask that, like how you dress.
[32:47] Sometimes.
[32:47] Sometimes they're like – We always dress – well, I always dress really well.
[32:51] I have to.
[32:51] And that way you can't get it wrong.
[32:53] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[32:53] So you can always down dress late.
[32:58] That's going to happen.
[32:59] But you can always down dress later on.
[33:01] Say if you come back from going out to dinner, you can then put on some trackies or whatever and get comfortable.
[33:06] But I think first impressions still apply no matter what the space.
[33:11] And so, you know, you'll see in my bag here now, even I've got dress shoes and nice shirts and nice pants.
[33:17] I think smart casual is a nice way to start.
[33:19] Smart casual, yeah.
[33:19] It's not like a suit or anything.
[33:20] No, it's not too formal.
[33:21] If they ask me for a formal, if it's a formal dinner or a wedding or whatever it is, they will let me know.
[33:27] Weddings?
[33:28] Do weddings, funerals.
[33:29] We've done funerals.
[33:30] Oh, my God, stop.
[33:32] Not with Hudson, but in my previous agency, I had two sisters had to go to a family funeral in the country and they didn't want to go on their own because they were single and their family would always...
[33:43] Be angry.
[33:44] Where are your partners?
[33:45] What's going on?
[33:46] And they said, stuff it.
[33:48] We're going to order two gentlemen.
[33:49] They ordered two of our guys.
[33:51] They had the best time at that funeral.
[33:52] They went in with gorgeous two men dressed in black suits and everyone was just like, you know.
[33:58] What is going on?
[33:59] They weren't even looking at the person who was in the funeral.
[34:01] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[34:02] Whose funeral was about.
[34:03] And then they went out for lunch afterwards.
[34:05] They had the best time.
[34:06] They had such a lovely time.
[34:08] Just to shut people up.
[34:09] Like family puts so much pressure on you.
[34:12] You don't have a partner.
[34:12] Bring an escort to Christmas.
[34:14] Oh, absolutely.
[34:15] We actually did have one for Christmas function.
[34:17] Yeah, we've done weddings.
[34:19] Yeah.
[34:19] Everything.
[34:20] Whatever you need.
[34:21] And when you're at the wedding and people say.
[34:22] They go in as an alias.
[34:24] They go in as the boyfriend.
[34:25] Well, usually the client gives me a list of what they want him to be.
[34:29] Okay.
[34:30] So they're acting.
[34:30] Yeah.
[34:31] For that, they're acting.
[34:32] But when they're with a one-on-one, they're not acting.
[34:34] They're being authentically themselves.
[34:36] Yeah.
[34:36] I had a booking where I was – so it was an overnight booking and so that would normally finish at 9 or 10 o'clock in the morning.
[34:43] And then she extended to 3 o'clock because she wanted to take me to a Chinese restaurant to meet her son and her grandkids.
[34:51] Stop.
[34:51] Yeah.
[34:52] And so –
[34:54] Hi, mate.
[34:54] Yep.
[34:55] Hi, hi, hi, hi.
[34:56] And did she give you a job title?
[34:57] Like say you're a doctor or?
[34:59] Yeah, we're just a friend.
[35:01] And if anyone pushes it, just say, you know, you're my masseuse.
[35:04] But she's done this before, so they're a bit sus.
[35:06] You're my masseuse.
[35:08] And this lady's older.
[35:10] She's much older.
[35:12] She's 72.
[35:13] Yeah, wow.
[35:15] She's hilarious.
[35:15] So what is your longest booking that you've actually had?
[35:18] Four days.
[35:19] Four days.
[35:20] Four days.
[35:21] At a health retreat.
[35:23] Oh, yeah, that's right.
[35:24] That's cool.
[35:25] Yeah.
[35:25] At a health retreat.
[35:26] At a health retreat.
[35:27] One of the popular one that you know of.
[35:28] Oh.
[35:30] That you go to.
[35:30] Yes.
[35:31] Do you do the health retreat or the – I did all my – yeah, I did all the pottery, the meditation courses, the tea making, you know, I did it all.
[35:39] Do you know what you need to do?
[35:40] The next one that would be interesting to do, go to a silent retreat.
[35:46] With an escort, can you imagine?
[35:47] Yeah.
[35:48] Perfect.
[35:49] Perfect.
[35:49] They're talking.
[35:50] Perfect.
[35:51] The ideal book.
[35:52] No, no.
[35:53] Oh, my God.
[35:57] It's so good.
[35:57] What did your friends or family think when you told them?
[36:01] I haven't.
[36:02] You haven't?
[36:03] You haven't told them?
[36:04] No.
[36:05] So, yeah.
[36:06] So most of my friends are girlfriends, actually.
[36:08] I have a few male friends and only two of my male friends know what I do because I have to unpack too much shit.
[36:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[36:16] Yes.
[36:17] You need to like... Oh, you can imagine every time we have a couple of beers.
[36:19] If I tell a guy, I need to... Yeah, yeah, that's right.
[36:22] The questions.
[36:23] So if I tell a guy I need two days, if I tell, you know, a lady or girl...
[36:29] I need an hour.
[36:30] Yeah.
[36:30] You know, you guys just get it.
[36:32] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[36:33] They don't.
[36:33] They don't.
[36:34] They don't get it.
[36:35] That's why I asked that question before.
[36:37] Like I'm thinking of the male brain listening to this just thinking, this guy's just got the best bloody job in the world.
[36:43] It's just like banging chicks every day.
[36:46] Like I think most would think that, hence why it takes two days for you to unpack it with a male.
[36:52] Yeah.
[36:52] Yeah.
[36:53] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[36:54] Honestly, I sometimes say, you know, I feel as if I'm walking the earth now with two lenses.
[37:00] One, I see it from a female's perspective because I take on all of those stories and all of those experiences that have led to that moment.
[37:08] You know, I haven't been touched.
[37:09] I've been neglected.
[37:10] I don't feel safe.
[37:11] I've had trauma.
[37:13] I was abused when I was young.
[37:14] All of that is stuff that's quite unique to females that guys just don't,
[37:20] understand.
[37:20] They don't.
[37:22] So do you walk away from a client and can be mentally draining?
[37:28] Yeah.
[37:28] Yeah.
[37:29] Both of us.
[37:30] Yeah.
[37:30] Both of us.
[37:31] Yeah, it would be because you like your therapist in a way as well.
[37:34] Absolutely.
[37:34] And I'm a good listener and I can't, I don't give advice.
[37:37] No one needs advice from me.
[37:40] I've had trauma as well.
[37:41] So, you know, I can share my experiences in a way that, you know, sometimes it's like you're a confessional box.
[37:48] For me, I just seek a quiet space.
[37:50] If I've had a big booking like that, the next day, you know, clear the diary, just chill, have a bath, whatever, whatever.
[37:57] Yeah, recharge.
[37:58] Yeah.
[37:58] Just got to stare at a white wall for a while.
[38:01] I do that sometimes after we have like these intense social things where we're just completely drained.
[38:06] It's like work or socially.
[38:08] You actually just want to go home and not talk to anyone.
[38:12] I say to Beck, I'm like, I'll talk to you in three days after I sit at my white wall.
[38:15] And we just sit there like.
[38:16] Even if we go away together and we go to an event, we go back to our room, we literally just lay there like in utter silence.
[38:24] Zombies.
[38:24] Scrolling.
[38:25] Doom scrolling but sending reels to each other.
[38:27] To each other next to each other.
[38:28] Giggling but not talking about the reels.
[38:29] Just giggling but we're just like.
[38:31] You know.
[38:32] Imagine Fee Hudson on a whole other level.
[38:36] how emotionally taxing this job could be at times.
[38:41] It can be, yeah.
[38:41] But also rewarding.
[38:43] Extremely rewarding from a personal growth perspective for me.
[38:47] Tell us about some of the best experiences that stick with you.
[38:51] The 43-year-old virgin, she's just an amazing human that ended up being 43 and had never had sex before due to, you know, God and religion.
[39:03] And, you know, I've had three virgins now, 53, 43, 35.
[39:07] Mm-hmm.
[39:11] In a nutshell, 35 was a body shaming for absolutely no reason whatsoever.
[39:16] 43 was religion and 53 was body shaming.
[39:20] Oh, that's so sad.
[39:22] It is.
[39:22] Yeah.
[39:23] What a waste.
[39:24] What a waste of your life.
[39:25] Yeah.
[39:26] I can imagine.
[39:27] These are the ladies that we know of that have had the courage to call Anna.
[39:32] There's millions of them all over the world, not just Australia.
[39:36] This is mind-blowing.
[39:37] There's millions of women.
[39:39] They need these type of services.
[39:41] Yeah.
[39:41] Yeah.
[39:43] Yeah, so she made the booking.
[39:44] And we're always in, I say 99% of the time, five-star hotels.
[39:48] So we're in a five-star hotel in a capital city and we met and, you know, we had dinner, beautiful dinner downstairs.
[39:58] And then we went upstairs and, of course, you know, I feel a great deal of accountability in that space as well.
[40:05] And, again, you know, back to that comment about, you know, guys think it's the best job in the world.
[40:09] Well, this is serious shit.
[40:11] Oh, yeah.
[40:11] Because this is like this girl who's a virgin has 53.
[40:16] Yeah, or even 40.
[40:17] Like it's just to be a virgin for so long, this is...
[40:21] experience is so important because this can make or break.
[40:24] Her life.
[40:25] Yeah, her life, you know, holding that for so long, being a virgin.
[40:29] The pressure on you would be.
[40:31] I feel that and honestly that was one of the bigger ones for me in terms of my mental preparation going into meditation and making sure that I am completely present.
[40:42] And also, I'll be lighthearted and fun and normalise it for her.
[40:47] By no means should that, and it was not at 0% about me at all, because it was really, you know, and again, back to the other comment, guys, you know.
[40:58] I wouldn't want anyone else with her on that evening.
[41:02] Yeah.
[41:03] You know, like, because I really gave her that protected and safe space, but we also normalised.
[41:07] And we had so much fun.
[41:09] Like, it was good.
[41:10] So all the serious stuff aside, we went upstairs and,
[41:14] You know, it was like a beautiful suite in one of the major hotels in Sydney and it wasn't just a standard room.
[41:21] You know, she had gone all out.
[41:22] Yeah.
[41:23] And they do.
[41:23] A lot of them do.
[41:24] They put so much effort into presenting themselves.
[41:27] They always ask me, would he like me trimmed?
[41:30] Do I need to, you know, what can I wear for you?
[41:32] But it's not about him.
[41:34] This is all about you.
[41:35] Women cannot put themselves first ever.
[41:37] Yeah, but I guess when they've been body shamed to a point that they are 43 and still a virgin, they think it is about how...
[41:43] They're presenting themselves.
[41:45] Yeah.
[41:45] Just in women in general.
[41:46] Yeah, exactly.
[41:46] Like we always put ourselves last.
[41:47] Just right.
[41:48] Yeah, like, you know, being mums.
[41:50] Correct.
[41:50] And, you know, we've just been wired that way.
[41:52] Yeah, that's right.
[41:53] And if, just briefly, you won't get off, I'll stay on topic, but if you were to think about, flip that to the female escort side now and...
[42:02] women being put last.
[42:04] So imagine that's amplified from the other direction for a male paying client to serve female, like I know female escort, so I know what they go through.
[42:15] They're not making sure they're super clean for these female escort.
[42:18] They're not caring about that female escort.
[42:20] Yeah.
[42:21] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[42:23] So, you know, we're lucky.
[42:24] So knowing female escorts, you really see the difference.
[42:28] Totally.
[42:28] Between a male and a female and just like how they're treated.
[42:32] We're really cared for.
[42:33] But not all male escorts are like him or the guys that work with me.
[42:37] I've heard horrific stories from clients who have booked men who work for themselves in the directories and –
[42:44] it's horrible what they've experienced.
[42:46] They'll come in tracksuit pants and a T-shirt to a booking.
[42:49] They'll stalk them, yeah.
[42:51] And stalk them as well.
[42:52] Like, shocking.
[42:53] Some of these men should not be on these directories or there should be some kind of police.
[42:58] Yeah, there should be some sort of like...
[42:59] They have to.
[43:00] They've taken off those legalities in this space.
[43:04] They used to be because when I had my first agency, I had to go through the BLA and get a licence.
[43:09] As of 2023, December, there's no licences.
[43:12] So why is that?
[43:13] Is that just because they're trying to make it?
[43:14] It's the most stupidest thing they've ever done.
[43:16] They're not keeping women safe, that's for sure.
[43:18] And also they don't expect men to wear condoms.
[43:22] Oh, yeah.
[43:22] That's also taken off.
[43:24] Like, it was a legality.
[43:25] It is.
[43:26] The gentleman signed a contract with me and it's a legality.
[43:29] You must have your health checks every three months and you must always.
[43:33] If it's not on, it's not on.
[43:34] That's with me.
[43:35] Yeah.
[43:35] But in the actual law of things, there's no law anymore.
[43:38] It's not under the BLA anymore.
[43:39] What?
[43:40] So that's why there's so many massage parlours opening up, as you've noticed.
[43:43] Oh, yeah.
[43:44] They're on every corner.
[43:44] And what do you think's happening there?
[43:46] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[43:46] They're bringing girls from internationally, take their licences, force them into sex slaves.
[43:52] It's disgusting.
[43:53] Okay, so since this has been taken off,
[43:56] all these legalities.
[43:57] Yeah.
[43:57] It's open slather.
[43:58] Exactly.
[43:59] Yeah.
[43:59] Wow.
[43:59] I actually have noticed that.
[44:00] I was driving home the other night down one road that never used to have these massage parlours, maybe one.
[44:06] I think there was about 10.
[44:07] Yeah.
[44:08] Yep.
[44:09] Yeah.
[44:09] Yeah.
[44:10] What do you think's happening there?
[44:11] Yeah.
[44:12] Really interesting shopping.
[44:13] We used to do a – where we used to do –
[44:16] our Pilates, there was a massage parlor next door and I'd watch all the men just walking in and I would lose my shit.
[44:23] Because you knew what was going on.
[44:25] I'd end up at the door and be like, where are you going?
[44:27] What are you doing?
[44:27] And everyone in the Pilates studios, I embarrass them.
[44:30] And everyone in the Pilates studios is just like, Jessica, sure.
[44:33] And I was like, where are you going, mate?
[44:34] Where are you going?
[44:35] Are you married?
[44:38] I know your wife.
[44:39] I know your wife.
[44:40] What are you doing?
[44:41] I literally was shaving the guys walking in.
[44:44] I was shocking.
[44:45] I was shocking.
[44:46] I want to go back to women and I'd love to hear from your perspective, Hudson, because I know there'll be women listening and maybe they're,
[45:00] in the same boat, but what do women worry about unnecessarily when it comes to their appearance that is holding them back so much?
[45:09] Everything.
[45:09] Really?
[45:10] Yeah, they worry about everything to do with their appearance and really there should be nothing to be worried about because everyone is gorgeous.
[45:19] So they are just so considerate and caring for my experience.
[45:27] Yeah, and you're like, it's not about me.
[45:29] It's not about me.
[45:30] Yeah.
[45:30] It's not about me.
[45:31] So, so much of what, you know, we're doing is on arrival is first of all is to calm down the nervous system and then reassure them, you know, you're like, you're so worthy and thank you.
[45:44] And yeah, you know, you're amazing for so many different reasons.
[45:48] So.
[45:48] A lot of clients have said we've given them hope in life, which is just so.
[45:52] just want to cry.
[45:53] It's just so humbling.
[45:55] They allow me into this private world of theirs that they've not shared with anyone else, just me usually and the gentleman.
[46:01] And we walk with them through this chapter of their lives and it's truly humbling.
[46:06] That's the only word I can think of.
[46:10] For someone that's afraid or not having sex or just doesn't have someone, a companion, for all these reasons, I didn't realise the mental power that
[46:20] sex does give a woman or like just the companionship?
[46:24] I think, yeah.
[46:25] So, you know, what we hear back and I hear back from my clients, particularly the ones I've seen more than once, is that, you know, what they experienced in that three hours is like two years of psychology.
[46:38] Therapy, yeah.
[46:39] Or therapy where...
[46:42] You know, it's able to release so much.
[46:44] It elevates confidence.
[46:46] The sense of touch alone is just so powerful.
[46:51] If you can imagine having not been touched for five, six, ten, twenty years, let alone sex.
[46:57] Yeah.
[46:57] Like not even touch.
[46:59] And just hold me and touch me is so prevalent.
[47:03] A lot of women break down and they just cry and release in so many different ways.
[47:07] Yeah.
[47:07] whether it's through orgasm or crying or emotional release.
[47:11] Like it's really fascinating.
[47:13] So do you ever go into an appointment and not have sex at all?
[47:18] Rarely.
[47:19] Rarely.
[47:19] Rarely.
[47:20] I go into a lot of appointments where sometimes the expectation is set that we may or may not be having sex.
[47:27] I just want that physical contact and that conversation.
[47:31] But it usually does.
[47:32] And a lot of women also have this pressure.
[47:35] They put this pressure on them about having an orgasm.
[47:38] They've never had one.
[47:39] And if they don't have an orgasm, there's something wrong with them.
[47:42] They have this pressure.
[47:43] And even though sometimes they won't get an orgasm from the first experience for whatever reason.
[47:47] Or just nerves.
[47:48] Exactly.
[47:49] But the pressure that they put on themselves, if I don't have an orgasm, what's wrong with me?
[47:54] Yeah.
[47:55] Like that pressure, it's crazy.
[47:57] Speaking of, how do you facilitate that?
[48:00] Because you mentioned you've got their bag of tools and toys.
[48:04] So do you roll up with a suitcase of tricks?
[48:08] It's over there.
[48:09] Fifty Shades of Grey?
[48:10] Yeah.
[48:12] I've got some rope in my bag.
[48:15] Fluffy handcuffs?
[48:16] Do you have a go-to that you think this usually works?
[48:21] I mean, every client's different, right?
[48:25] Yeah, so every client is different, but also we need to create a safe space first.
[48:30] Because it's mental, right?
[48:31] It's mental.
[48:33] And orgasmism is a function of the mind, for sure.
[48:36] And so the toys and the other stuff that we play with is also mentally stimulating and it's supplemental to getting to that safe space, you know.
[48:47] So, yeah, and then once we get there and we start playing with toys, yeah, it's fun because there's a lot of guys that are kind of insecure about a lady having a vibrator.
[49:03] Like, dude, what's going on with that?
[49:05] Yeah.
[49:05] Like, why can't you use a vibrator with your partner?
[49:08] Exactly.
[49:09] It's so much fun.
[49:10] You're not any less because of it.
[49:12] You're actually providing her some joy that you can share together.
[49:15] Yeah.
[49:16] So there's that.
[49:17] And so just for a guy to be paying attention to a woman's needs is a real mental turn on.
[49:23] Does girls all have vibrators?
[49:25] Yeah, pretty much.
[49:26] At least one or two.
[49:28] Hudson, what's it like in the room after you've had this experience with someone who has lost their virginity with you?
[49:37] What's the experience like afterwards?
[49:39] Is it similar or have they all been very different?
[49:41] They're all very different.
[49:43] And if we pick this one case that we were just talking about earlier, this lady, she pre-planned it and we celebrated with a bottle of moe.
[49:52] How good.
[49:52] So how good is that?
[49:54] Do you know what?
[49:55] It's like losing your virginity, everyone has this perception, you know, when we lose it when we're younger, it just kind of happens.
[50:02] But for someone that's losing it older, it's like that Romeo and Juliet.
[50:05] Celebration.
[50:06] It's choreographed.
[50:07] Yeah, it's choreographed.
[50:08] And it's like imagine losing your virginity and it's like,
[50:10] Five-star hotel instead of a bush.
[50:12] With a green bag.
[50:14] With a green bag.
[50:16] And not remembering the next day what happened.
[50:17] Like what happened.
[50:20] Yeah, it'd be such a special moment, yeah.
[50:23] It was a bath.
[50:25] It was, you know, a hotel suite in a five-star hotel on a very high level.
[50:30] It was the beautiful king-size bed.
[50:32] It was the moe champagne, the chocolates, the, you know, all of it, strawberries.
[50:37] I feel nervous for you walking in.
[50:39] I feel nervous.
[50:41] You're going big.
[50:44] They're doing it on their terms, right?
[50:46] They're celebrating their life, living their life on their terms.
[50:49] Yeah, and then she rebooked exactly the same experience two weeks later.
[50:53] So we did a repeat.
[50:55] Yeah.
[50:55] So she'd been processing this for two weeks and was feeling amazing.
[51:01] In her words, you know, I'm no longer the kid at the grown-ups table anymore.
[51:05] So you can imagine that shift.
[51:07] That's a full life shift and so...
[51:10] So we went back into it again, exactly the same, it was the same hotel, it was almost a repeat.
[51:17] And then we heard later that, and I mean both these nights were amazing.
[51:22] Like for a first time person, usually it's sore, you're uncomfortable.
[51:27] No, she wanted everything.
[51:29] She was like full on.
[51:31] She was.
[51:31] Amazing.
[51:32] Like a lot of women don't realise how sexually...
[51:36] Ready they are.
[51:37] They've held off for years, but they're amazing sexual creatures.
[51:43] Yeah.
[51:43] Yeah, it was beautiful.
[51:45] And she, you know, I had all my, she tried everything, all the toys, all the experiences, everything was in one night and overnight and in the morning to follow as well.
[51:56] And then we had breakfast together, of course.
[51:58] So it was, that was an incredible experience.
[52:02] And then after the second booking, she went and started dating.
[52:06] And now she's in a relationship.
[52:07] She's happy.
[52:08] That's so good.
[52:09] I was going to ask, do you ever get the feedback?
[52:13] You're kind of like the icebreaker, I guess, the first time and you give these women this empowerment and this confidence to then go and...
[52:21] Find a partner.
[52:22] Do it and be confident.
[52:24] And do you ever get feedback later down the track?
[52:26] Yeah, we do.
[52:27] We get SMSs.
[52:28] They'll call me and say, just wanted to let you know that I've been dating this gorgeous guy.
[52:33] Everything that I've learned from, you know, the bookings with the gentleman, whichever gentleman they had.
[52:38] And I'm just so happy that I've met you and you've helped me know what to look for in a gentleman and what to look for in a relationship.
[52:48] The gentleman also put in their perspectives and stuff.
[52:51] And they're just living wonderful, happy lives.
[52:54] And that's what it is.
[52:55] A lot of clients use this as a stepping stone.
[52:58] to get to... That next phase of their life.
[52:59] Yeah, to use the dating apps to look for the right type of gentleman and then maybe have a relationship, have family.
[53:06] And some of them are not.
[53:07] They're just happy to be single and running their lives, businesses and want to use the services on their terms.
[53:14] Yeah.
[53:14] And that's cool.
[53:14] Like...
[53:15] So many different reasons, right?
[53:18] Yeah, and she had such, I mean, it's not, you may not expect a virgin to have orgasms, let alone multiple orgasms, because you would expect them to be so into the head and so nervous.
[53:30] And all of that happened, but, you know, we had broken down a lot of barriers prior, so she was in a really good space.
[53:36] So she had multiple orgasms that night, the next morning.
[53:40] She found out, and a lot of women don't know,
[53:43] you know, internally, sexually, who you are.
[53:47] Yeah.
[53:48] Because you can be a lioness and not even know it.
[53:51] And that's what she was.
[53:53] She was incredibly sexual except that there had never been unlocked in her.
[53:58] And so when it was, it was like,
[54:00] I was like, oh, my God.
[54:02] And she didn't know.
[54:03] Unleash the beast.
[54:04] Unleash the beast.
[54:06] She didn't know.
[54:07] And then the other thing I said to her was, and because we did everything that was all about her and it was such an awesome experience both times, is I said, now you've got, now this is the bar, okay?
[54:17] Yeah.
[54:18] You do not need to, if you meet somebody and you're dating, you do not, the first thing you do is you don't, you do not, you are not required to give that guy a blowjob the minute that he walks in the door because that is, let him make it about you.
[54:32] Yeah.
[54:33] And then he will also reap those, you know.
[54:36] He's also not going to come in with a bag full of toys.
[54:41] Do you kind of have to say, hey, babe, you've got to lower your expectations because you've started at the Platinum in the Platinum Lounge and you're going down to like economy now.
[54:53] The back row near the Dunnies.
[54:56] Do you actually have to have that conversation?
[54:58] This is not reality, like in a way, like.
[55:00] Probably.
[55:01] Well, for some people it is, but like it's, she just thinks she's going to get that on dating apps or the next guy she meets.
[55:08] Like there needs to be some expectations.
[55:11] Not all guys are going to have like a 24 port charger, you know, at home.
[55:16] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[55:22] Okay, being a male escort, you've, you know, obviously had a lot of clients.
[55:26] Have you ever been recognised?
[55:28] I have.
[55:29] Stop, in public, like where?
[55:31] At my local.
[55:32] Oh, no.
[55:33] Yeah.
[55:34] Like my local is, it's not glossy.
[55:37] It's like, you know, an industrial sort of microbrewery that has wood-fired pizzas and there might be a bit of sport on it.
[55:43] There's a comfy couch in the corner and I live on my, I'm like, I'm down there.
[55:47] Yeah.
[55:48] Was she like, hey, like, should we?
[55:50] Can we play darts with us?
[55:51] And I'm like, no, I'm good.
[55:53] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[55:54] Go through Anna.
[55:55] And I actually literally got home from a booking, so I'm just like chilling.
[55:59] Yeah, yeah.
[56:00] Really chilling, like the world stopped kind of thing.
[56:02] And no, no, no, come here.
[56:04] No, no, I'm good.
[56:05] Honestly, she's with some friends and whatever.
[56:08] And then ignored it.
[56:10] Yeah, I was watching some sport on my phone or something.
[56:12] Anyway, 15 minutes later.
[56:14] Comes back, and she's getting drunk, right?
[56:17] And I'm like, yeah, like, honestly, like, I'm so good.
[56:21] Thank you.
[56:21] Ha, ha, ha.
[56:22] Yeah, these are my friends.
[56:23] Hi, hi.
[56:23] Yeah, good to meet you.
[56:24] Ha, ha.
[56:25] And then she came over and, like, say another 15 minutes later, maybe half an hour, and she says, you're Hudson.
[56:30] And I went, no way.
[56:35] And then did you bail?
[56:36] Were you like, oh, God, I need to get out of here?
[56:38] No, I said, all right, I'll come and hang with you guys and then went off to another pub and she was trying to drive me back to her place and I was like, no, I'm good.
[56:47] I don't know.
[56:47] Yeah.
[56:47] Bail.
[56:48] Oh, wow.
[56:48] Oh, gosh.
[56:49] Oh, my God.
[56:49] That sounds very close to home because you're a bit FIFO, right?
[56:52] Fly in, fly out.
[56:53] Yeah.
[56:54] So that one, yeah.
[56:55] We had to learn from that only interstate place.
[56:58] clients from now on out of towners.
[57:01] Yeah, I don't know.
[57:03] I don't know what the learning was, but yeah.
[57:05] Because it's kind of like, because you're seeing your clients in a hotel, you kind of don't really know the area that they're kind of from.
[57:10] Or would they open up about that?
[57:12] They do open up the area, roughly the area that they're from.
[57:15] I do give you the details where they're coming from, whether they're interstate.
[57:19] So he knows that aspect of it.
[57:20] Yeah.
[57:21] Yeah, but I keep things pretty close.
[57:23] Yeah.
[57:23] We had one gentleman, he went, I think, to the theatre in Melbourne with one of the clients to a show, theatre production, and then two days later another client took him to the same one and he's sitting there and behind him was that client with someone else and he's like...
[57:40] you know, just gives her a nod.
[57:41] Just give her a wink or something, yeah.
[57:42] Just a nod.
[57:43] I'm sure she was giving her a nod as well.
[57:45] He saw the show twice in a couple of days.
[57:47] Oh, God.
[57:48] And then had to pretend that he didn't see the show twice.
[57:51] Usually if they do come across each other, sometimes it happens just to work colleague or mutual, you know.
[57:56] It's very simple.
[57:58] Keep on walking.
[57:59] Yeah, I was going to say, keep on walking.
[58:00] Yeah, yeah.
[58:02] Hudson, as we wrap up, I just wanted to ask, what's the biggest thing you've learned about being attractive to women?
[58:09] be interested, listen, and just be respectful and just appreciate the women are beautiful regardless and don't be a dick.
[58:18] Don't be a dick.
[58:19] Don't be a dick.
[58:21] It's a great takeaway.
[58:22] Yeah.
[58:22] Don't be a dick.
[58:23] Yeah.
[58:24] Be a good human.
[58:25] Yeah.
[58:25] I think one thing I learned in my life as a child was
[58:28] is treat people the way you'd like to be treated.
[58:30] I think that's always stayed with me.
[58:32] I say that to my children.
[58:33] Yeah, it's so important.
[58:34] Just be kind, compassionate.
[58:36] You just don't know what someone's going through.
[58:38] Don't judge.
[58:38] Don't ever judge unless you've walked through there in their shoes.
[58:42] And, yeah, just be a good human.
[58:44] Well, thank you so much for coming on, you two.
[58:46] That was fun.
[58:47] That was fun.
[58:48] Thank you so much for the opportunity.
[58:49] It means so much that women know that they have choices and options in life, whether they're in bad marriages, whether they're, you know,
[58:57] There's nothing wrong with them.
[58:58] I want them to feel worthy and just allow themselves to be who they are.
[59:03] You know, just be you.
[59:04] No one else.
[59:05] You know, be the original OG.
[59:07] Yeah, be your OG.
[59:08] Stop trying to be like others.
[59:09] Be your OG and this is a safe space where you can do that.
[59:12] Exactly.
[59:13] Love it.
[59:13] Thank you so much.
[59:14] Thank you.
[59:15] Anna and Hudson, you've told us what makes a good escort, but how do you actually decide which men make the cut?
[59:22] The next episode, we are meeting the woman who trials the men before they are hired.
[59:28] That's right.
[59:28] She trials the men.
[59:30] She's going to tell us what she's really looking for, from looks and confidence to chemistry, and what happens when you're the man being judged.
[59:38] So how do you audition to become a male escort?
[59:42] That's on our next episode.
[59:43] Bye for now.
[59:44] Bye for now.
[59:51] Same.

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