# Unfiltered: Sarah Davidson Tell All

An episode of [Vain-ish](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1824105551), 17 Feb 2026, 53 min.

Audio: https://enrichment.soundstack.com/4vjqq8/episode.flightcast.com/dv9rfppgx68lx6hyrrw9jjlk.mp3

Seize the Yay host, writer, creator and self-confessed “funtrepreneur” Sarah Davidson reveals the strategic beauty routine that does the heavy lifting - saving her time every single day (essential for a toddler mum). She spills on the TikTok transition video that went viral after comments from some unexpectedly “useful trolls”, and how that feedback completely changed her makeup game. Plus, Bec shares her best advice for getting the deed done when you’ve got next to no time. Find us on Instagram: @vainishpodcast and thanks to our guest Sarah Davidson Hosts: @becjudd and @jessierobertsx Producer: Liza Altarejos Audio Imager: Chris Marsh Video Producer: Justin Hill Find more great podcasts at www.listnr.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[0:05] I'm Bec Judd.
[0:06] And I'm Jess Roberts.
[0:07] And we're done with the smoke and mirrors.
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[0:49] Hello, I'm Bec Judd.
[0:50] And I'm Jess Roberts.
[0:51] And welcome to Vanish.
[0:53] Welcome to Vanish.
[0:54] Yes.
[0:54] How are you feeling?
[0:56] Oh, I think I'm a bit of a shell of a person right now.
[0:59] I don't even know who I am today.
[1:02] You sound sick.
[1:03] I'm sick.
[1:04] Yeah.
[1:04] I walked into the studio and I thought, I'm going to vomit in a bin.
[1:09] I know.
[1:09] And then I had a quick look around and thought there's no one here if I'm going to do it door now.
[1:14] And then I went and got a halloumi burger and I feel a bit better.
[1:18] Yeah.
[1:18] But it's been a big weekend.
[1:20] And Jess and I have been in Adelaide at Live Golf, which is one of our favorite events.
[1:26] It is.
[1:27] We have such a time there.
[1:29] It's like golf plus a rave.
[1:31] Yes.
[1:31] Yes.
[1:32] Which is like the two things we love.
[1:34] 100%.
[1:35] So we're golfers now.
[1:36] We're golfers.
[1:36] We play a bit of golf.
[1:38] And then they do this course.
[1:40] So the teams all play in the Live Golf League.
[1:43] And then at the end of the day, they have on the main stage a performer.
[1:47] So John Summit DJ played on the Saturday night.
[1:49] Fisher, we all know and love Fisher, played on the Sunday night.
[1:53] He went off.
[1:54] Like golf plus rave, tick.
[1:56] Does this happen anywhere else in the world?
[1:57] Is it just Australia?
[1:59] Just where Liv does their events, they do it like this.
[2:01] But I don't know if the party with the rave at the end is as big as it is here.
[2:06] Maybe it is.
[2:07] Yeah.
[2:07] But, I mean, it's hard to top.
[2:09] You look out at the crowd.
[2:11] It looks like there's, I don't know, 50,000 to 100,000 people.
[2:14] I know.
[2:14] It looks like it's Coachella.
[2:15] It looks like Coachella at the golf.
[2:18] It's crazy.
[2:18] Yeah.
[2:19] It's crazy.
[2:19] It's so fun.
[2:20] If you haven't been to Live Golf, go.
[2:22] Yeah.
[2:23] And it's kind of just the best of everything.
[2:25] Adelaide's always got the best weather.
[2:27] And I love that it's in Adelaide because Melbourne gets so many big events, right?
[2:32] Sydney has some events.
[2:33] Adelaide does events really well.
[2:35] They do.
[2:35] They do Live Golf.
[2:36] Like, I hope it stays there forever because it is so good.
[2:38] So, yeah, yay to Rad-A-L-A-D. You were rad.
[2:42] You were so rad.
[2:43] My voice is gone.
[2:44] We stayed for a couple of nights and it was just like a lot of hospitality, a lot of slushy margaritas.
[2:50] Yeah.
[2:51] After parties.
[2:52] Then doing it again.
[2:53] Backing it up.
[2:53] I'm wrecked.
[2:54] I'm so wrecked.
[2:55] Yeah.
[2:55] I'm not drinking for a month.
[2:56] Yeah.
[2:57] Yeah.
[2:57] We say that and then like by Friday we're like, music.
[3:01] I know by Friday I'll be like, what are you doing?
[3:04] Have you got any rosé in your fridge?
[3:05] I'm coming over.
[3:06] I'm coming over.
[3:06] But funny thing happened.
[3:07] So Jess and I, we both went with our gorgeous husbands on the Saturday.
[3:11] And the reason being, let's just put that, because like the last three or four years, Beck and I on the 14th of February have always been together on Valentine's Day and have never had our husbands.
[3:22] And we thought, you know what?
[3:24] We're going to be really nice wives and we're going to bring them along.
[3:27] And they did.
[3:28] They had the best time.
[3:29] They so did.
[3:30] I said to Chris this time, I'm like, you have to come.
[3:32] You will love it.
[3:34] Yeah.
[3:34] Like, make it a priority.
[3:36] And it's always such, same as you, it's such a juggle when a parent goes away and you've got four kids and they're doing like 10 different sporting events and concerts and whatever on the weekend.
[3:45] So it's a logistical nightmare.
[3:47] But I was like, you've got to come.
[3:48] You'll love it.
[3:48] He loved it.
[3:49] He's like, come.
[3:50] Coming back next year was so good.
[3:52] Val's the Ripper mascot now.
[3:53] I swear to God.
[3:55] He is.
[3:55] He knows everybody now.
[3:57] Yeah.
[3:57] But the thing is, because we have so many children, the boys both had to leave early on day two.
[4:04] Juddy left my husband.
[4:06] He left our hotel over like 4.30 in the morning.
[4:08] I don't know how he did that.
[4:09] To get to the airport, to get to an athletics meet for Billy back in Melbourne, like super dad.
[4:13] How good's I?
[4:14] I was still in bed, like probably still going on to kill us.
[4:17] And then Val, your husband left early in the afternoon and oh my, what a story.
[4:24] I think we need to start the story by reading out the text message that he sent you from the airport.
[4:30] Oh my God.
[4:31] Okay.
[4:32] So Val had to leave early because he had to get home to one of our sick kids.
[4:36] And this is, literally this is what went down.
[4:38] I get this text message.
[4:40] Quote.
[4:40] Quote.
[4:41] Whoa, I just got fully interrogated and strip search.
[4:44] Quote.
[4:45] Obviously all clear, but what an experience.
[4:48] I go, what?
[4:49] Why?
[4:49] He goes, he was convinced I was concealing some kind of weapon.
[4:54] He didn't think it was funny when I said the only thing I'm packing is a meat weapon.
[5:00] I'm packing.
[5:04] And then he did the strip search.
[5:06] Oh, my God.
[5:08] Anyway, and then he goes on.
[5:10] He goes, they did everything.
[5:12] Literally had my balls come to my big overweight angry man.
[5:16] He was so annoyed to let me go to with like laughing emojis.
[5:21] Then the next thing is actually weird.
[5:23] Like I had a drawstring on my shorts.
[5:25] I had a metal tip and they thought that that was.
[5:28] A gun.
[5:29] They thought it was a gun or a bullet.
[5:31] Yeah.
[5:31] Oh, my God.
[5:32] But how funny is your husband?
[5:34] Instead of freaking out, he goes, the only thing you'll find in my pants is a meat weapon.
[5:37] A meat weapon.
[5:38] I know.
[5:39] I know.
[5:39] Anyway, he goes, enjoy your afternoon, girls.
[5:41] See ya.
[5:42] Bye.
[5:42] Oh, my God.
[5:42] That is so valid.
[5:44] That would have made me, that would have been trauma for me.
[5:46] And for him, he's like, this is so funny.
[5:49] So.
[5:49] I'm getting strip searched.
[5:51] I'm having this big angry man's cupping my balls while he's searching my butt.
[5:55] Oh, no.
[5:56] I know, I know.
[5:57] I need to ask if he bent over and coughed.
[6:01] I was tired.
[6:02] So, yeah, so in his pants, they actually thought like the little metal.
[6:05] Yeah, on the drawstring.
[6:06] I've got it on this right now.
[6:07] Yeah.
[6:08] They thought it was like, they must have thought it was like a bullet or something.
[6:11] Gun or knife.
[6:12] But yeah, they thought it was a weapon.
[6:14] I've never heard of that.
[6:15] I know.
[6:16] At a domestic airport.
[6:17] That's so weird.
[6:18] Yeah.
[6:18] And like they did the whole like, you know, they scanned for, you know, gunpowder, like all that sort of stuff.
[6:23] That was all clear.
[6:24] All negative.
[6:26] this little thing in his pants.
[6:27] Anyway, there you go.
[6:29] What a story.
[6:30] We've got Jess's daughter listening outside the studio today.
[6:33] Scarlett.
[6:35] Scarlett, ask dad about it when you get home.
[6:37] How was your strip search?
[6:40] The one thing you got done on the weekend was a strip search by a guard.
[6:44] Anyway, it's so funny.
[6:45] Anyway, we've come back alive.
[6:47] Just.
[6:48] Just.
[6:48] Yeah.
[6:48] Feeling a little bit under the weather.
[6:50] Yeah.
[6:50] I'm ready for a big show.
[6:58] Okay, Bec, we've got one of our friends coming in today.
[7:00] I love it when our friends come on, but we've got to be careful not to go on and on and on.
[7:04] I know.
[7:04] Because we get carried away and we could talk to this weapon for bloody three hours.
[7:07] I know, because every time we get together, we talk with her for hours and hours and hours.
[7:10] Yes, we go off topic and we need to...
[7:13] This one is going to have to be very heavily reined in.
[7:17] Yeah, we can't go on any side quests.
[7:19] No!
[7:20] Oh, but there will be side quests.
[7:22] There will be side quests.
[7:22] All right, so this weapon, she's a podcast host.
[7:24] She's a writer.
[7:25] She's a creator.
[7:25] She's an entrepreneur.
[7:26] She actually calls herself a funtrepreneur.
[7:29] She is a former lawyer and a ballerina for Oz Ballet.
[7:32] I know.
[7:33] I did not know that.
[7:34] No, but also I didn't know that she spoke fluent French, conversational Chinese, Japanese, and Italian.
[7:41] What?
[7:42] Now I'm just jealous that she's so much smarter than me.
[7:45] Because I have most people covered but not her at all.
[7:47] No, no.
[7:48] She is a weapon.
[7:51] Weapon.
[7:51] Like, wow.
[7:53] We've done nothing with our lives.
[7:54] Used to work for the UN.
[7:55] Yeah.
[7:56] Co-founder of Matcha Maiden, podcast host of Seize the Yay.
[8:00] She is known for just her honest, witty brilliance.
[8:03] She's a girl's girl.
[8:04] Yeah.
[8:05] She's a big supporter of everyone.
[8:09] Everyone.
[8:09] And she always wants you to do the best and she's...
[8:11] So, so positive.
[8:13] Her personal brand and platform is Spoonful of Sarah.
[8:17] You guys have probably guessed who this is now.
[8:19] Yeah, yeah.
[8:20] And her podcast is Seize the Yay.
[8:23] Welcome to Vanish, Sarah Davidson.
[8:25] Welcome.
[8:27] Hi.
[8:27] So excited to have you here.
[8:29] Guys, I love that.
[8:29] Like I actually researched on the page.
[8:31] I was like, do you guys leave your hair forward?
[8:34] Or back of the head.
[8:35] Oh, yeah.
[8:35] I don't know.
[8:35] What are these called?
[8:36] Slut strands?
[8:37] I like the slut strands out.
[8:39] Oh, my God.
[8:39] Have you never heard that?
[8:40] I've never heard of slut strands.
[8:41] Oh, my God.
[8:42] Yeah, I don't know anything about slut strands.
[8:44] Oh, my God.
[8:45] Okay.
[8:45] Does my hair look weird?
[8:47] No, it looks great, babe.
[8:48] Slut strands are amazing.
[8:49] Is it too much out the front?
[8:50] I don't even know what mine looks like.
[8:52] Do you want to use your phone?
[8:53] Is that better?
[8:54] Is that good?
[8:55] Is it too much out?
[8:56] Are we rolling?
[8:57] Are we rolling?
[8:57] Let's listen to these two main viatches.
[9:01] We're literally being vainish.
[9:04] Let's paint the picture.
[9:04] I've got my phone up right now.
[9:06] In selfie mode looking.
[9:08] Okay, we're good.
[9:08] We're happy.
[9:09] Sarah Davidson is looking at her hair, specifically her slut strands.
[9:14] Which I've just learned about.
[9:15] I can't believe you didn't know about that.
[9:17] Jess was today years old when she learned about slut strands.
[9:20] They're significantly thicker than they were in the 2000s.
[9:23] Like it was literally just you pulled this tiny little thin bit out.
[9:27] Oh, I had them in the 90s in primary school.
[9:28] There you go.
[9:29] I didn't call it slut strands.
[9:30] It was just called strands.
[9:31] So do you know when I learned about it was slut strands?
[9:33] I was a Catholic girl.
[9:34] She was a high school girl.
[9:36] She's not now.
[9:36] Not now.
[9:37] Slut strands kind of came to the fore on ski fields because helmets don't look nice on women, on girls, right?
[9:45] So you'd pull out, you'd notice the snowboarders,
[9:48] They're so cute.
[9:49] And they have their helmets on.
[9:51] Skis too.
[9:52] But when I think about it, I picture snowboarders.
[9:55] Snowboarders are so much slutty anyway.
[9:56] They're so much slutty.
[9:58] They're little tendrils hanging out of the helmets.
[10:00] Right.
[10:01] So you've got your pony.
[10:02] Okay.
[10:03] Because otherwise, like cruising down a ski field with a full helmet and goggles and no softness.
[10:08] So the slut strands were really...
[10:11] you know, designed for helmets.
[10:12] We're having a slut strand history lesson.
[10:16] You guys need to do vanish history.
[10:17] Oh, we should.
[10:18] Where you look into the origins of... Of where spam facials came from.
[10:23] Speaking of origins, we've known you for a very long time, Sarah Davidson, but I didn't know you did half your degree in French.
[10:31] Like, what?
[10:31] And you spoke about, excuse me, how?
[10:33] What?
[10:35] I can't wait until you're actually 85.
[10:36] Imagine all the lives you're going to live by then.
[10:39] She'll probably run the country.
[10:41] She's just like, she's just in her second year.
[10:43] A lot to come.
[10:43] Did you do that here in Australia?
[10:55] Yeah, so I did French and Japanese in high school.
[10:59] And then at uni, I picked up Chinese.
[11:01] And I did like six exchanges because I loved languages so much.
[11:05] I always thought my law degree would end up in, you know, I've been doing that spy series.
[11:09] I thought I'd go into... Spy series, law degree, UN.
[11:11] Yeah, I literally thought I'd, so I made my way through the UN languages because I was like,
[11:15] I want to be a foreign diplomat or spy and I'm going to need all the UN languages.
[11:20] There's six.
[11:21] So I did French, then I learned Spanish, which was one of them, and then Chinese, English, Russian, and Arabic.
[11:28] So I just like self-taught until I could speak more.
[11:32] And do you speak them all well?
[11:33] No, no.
[11:34] But enough to get around?
[11:36] No.
[11:36] French is fluent because I had to do a year of law subjects in French, which was like I cried every day for six months.
[11:43] I couldn't understand anything.
[11:44] And then one day it just clicks when you've been… Bonjour, je m'appelle Jessica.
[11:47] Oh!
[11:48] Did you… Très bien.
[11:50] Très bien, Vincennes.
[11:53] My girlfriend, when she moved to Paris, she just was like, I'm moving to Paris.
[11:58] And she went there and she went and just watched French movies with English subtitles.
[12:04] And she said, that's literally how I learned French was by watching movies and subtitles.
[12:08] I think when you're there and you're around it all the time, it does, you just kind of absorb it a lot more and you're forced to practice.
[12:14] Yeah, sorry.
[12:15] I'm going to survive.
[12:15] You've got to survive.
[12:17] We did all our exams without dictionaries in French.
[12:20] So you had to just survive.
[12:22] And then after that, I was like, well, once you've learned French, all the romance languages are really similar.
[12:28] The grammar is really similar.
[12:29] So once you kind of pick up the pattern, Italian comes really easily.
[12:32] Spanish comes really easily.
[12:34] Yeah.
[12:35] You know, I've been watching K-Drama for a year now and I can't speak a single word of Korean.
[12:40] I feel like you probably got a few words.
[12:42] I went to Korea with her.
[12:43] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[12:44] No, nothing.
[12:45] How are you going to marry one of the BTS men when they come here if you can't speak their language?
[12:50] I know.
[12:51] I can't speak Jungkook's language.
[12:52] I don't understand.
[12:53] Anyway.
[12:54] I feel like, what's it?
[12:54] 사랑해.
[12:55] That's like, I love you.
[12:56] So you know that.
[12:57] And then I know.
[12:58] 안녕하세요.
[12:58] Hello.
[12:59] Yeah, there we go.
[13:02] Thank you.
[13:02] 감사합니다.
[13:03] Yes.
[13:04] She knows three words.
[13:05] You're basically fluent.
[13:07] But it's funny, because I'm adopted, Korean was the one language I never learned.
[13:10] Because there's no, well, when I was younger, there was no Korean school locally.
[13:14] Yeah, yeah.
[13:15] Like, there weren't many schools that teach Korean.
[13:17] No, there isn't, isn't there?
[13:18] I mean, yeah.
[13:19] Now, Korea's like a superpower.
[13:20] It kind of wasn't that cool when I was growing up.
[13:22] So no one did it.
[13:23] And now I'm like, damn it.
[13:24] I could have married John Courtney.
[13:25] Hello.
[13:26] I know where he lives now.
[13:28] I know you do.
[13:29] I've got a friend who could hook a sister up.
[13:32] Yeah, yeah.
[13:33] But yeah, I never learned it.
[13:34] Oh, my God.
[13:35] I just learned lots of other languages.
[13:36] That could be a new language you can learn this year.
[13:39] Yeah.
[13:39] Well, you have lived a lot of lives.
[13:42] And how old are you?
[13:43] 32?
[13:44] 36.
[13:45] You're 36.
[13:46] What you've done in 36 short years is more than a lot of people do in an entire lifetime.
[13:53] Where do you get your energy from?
[13:54] Do you sleep?
[13:56] I'm a tired gal.
[13:58] I've had chronic fatigue a few times.
[14:00] Burnout.
[14:01] AKA burnout.
[14:02] Burnout, yeah.
[14:02] I'm a chronic...
[14:04] burner outer who is always trying to fit in like a million things.
[14:09] And I just never learned that I have limits.
[14:11] So I can't say I've done it in a really energetic way.
[14:14] I think I have big bursts.
[14:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[14:16] And I've got so much excitement and motivation mentally, but physically I can't keep up with my body.
[14:21] So my body's just like...
[14:23] So I'm like, you're a dopamine chaser.
[14:25] You like the high of the dopamine.
[14:27] Yeah.
[14:28] You're like talking my language here.
[14:29] I say yes to everything and I do everything.
[14:31] I bite off more than I can chew and I physically burn out because I can't keep up with the energy in my mind that says yes to all the things.
[14:38] Yeah.
[14:38] But I'm addicted to saying yes.
[14:40] Saying I'm addicted to saying no.
[14:43] Okay, I'm getting better at that.
[14:45] Yes.
[14:45] Yeah.
[14:46] It's really hard because you don't want to miss out.
[14:48] But I've realized recently because it's never affected me in a traumatic way being adopted, but I've realized that because I do feel like I've been so lucky to almost have that second chance.
[15:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[15:01] It's like kind of backwards in the back of my head.
[15:03] I think I'm always thinking how do I earn the right to be here?
[15:06] Like I can't, I have to make the most of the fact that I'm so lucky to be here.
[15:10] So it's like, I can't waste that opportunity.
[15:12] Do you know what I mean though?
[15:14] Take the box.
[15:14] You've done it.
[15:15] Nick, one day, my husband one day was like, where does this come from, this need to kind of do everything at once?
[15:21] And I'm like, it's that excitement about life, but I think that also comes from like,
[15:25] a hyper acute sense of gratitude.
[15:28] Like, I'm so grateful, but I have to show it.
[15:30] No, but sometimes it's not great because then you burn out and you can't do anything for months.
[15:34] It's like, how do you show that but put personal boundaries in place that protects you and your family?
[15:38] You're a mum now too.
[15:39] You're probably going to have another child.
[15:41] Then you should stop from personal experience.
[15:43] Stop it too.
[15:43] That's my biggest life lesson.
[15:47] One really good one.
[15:49] One and done.
[15:49] Amazing.
[15:49] Yeah.
[15:50] One is amazing.
[15:51] Yeah, yeah.
[15:52] One's amazing.
[15:53] I just don't know how you can have time to throw in a second, third.
[15:56] How do you have time to do it?
[15:58] And like, yeah, nah.
[15:59] Do it.
[16:00] I love it.
[16:00] Literally it.
[16:01] It's not worth holding them at home.
[16:02] I love the time.
[16:03] Ninja fucks.
[16:04] Ninja fucks.
[16:05] Wow.
[16:05] Because there's no, like, that's what they are.
[16:08] Oh, my God.
[16:08] I mean, it's not romantic.
[16:10] No.
[16:10] It's very clinical.
[16:11] And it has to be ninja.
[16:11] You've got so many kids.
[16:12] It's not clinical.
[16:12] It's just efficient.
[16:13] It's efficient?
[16:15] Yeah.
[16:18] That's what it is.
[16:19] That's what it is.
[16:20] And when you've got four kids and there's always someone in the house and the doorbells always go, that's literally what it is.
[16:27] Wham, bam, thank them.
[16:28] Yeah.
[16:29] Like a ninja.
[16:30] You've got to get so efficient with your time.
[16:32] I know.
[16:32] I feel like all the husbands do ninja wanks.
[16:37] They're doing all the ninja stuff.
[16:39] So, it's all about spine efficiency.
[16:41] It is, it is.
[16:41] All right, Weapon, let's get into it.
[16:43] Yes, let's get into it.
[16:45] Sarah Davidson, what does a typical day of beauty and wellness look like for you?
[16:49] Oh, okay.
[16:50] So, I'm actually like a bit of a basic bitch day to day, but I'm also a high maintenance more regularly for low maintenance every day.
[17:00] Okay.
[17:01] If that makes sense.
[17:02] Yes.
[17:02] So I will get a facial monthly so that I can wear less makeup each day.
[17:06] Yeah.
[17:07] And I'll, like, get a wax so that I, you know, like I try and do appointments more regularly so that day-to-day I can be really relaxed.
[17:14] Yeah.
[17:14] So I have a toddler at the moment.
[17:16] So the daily routine, he is nearly two.
[17:19] Okay.
[17:19] No, you're in the shit of it all.
[17:21] So I am in an era where the answers to all my questions are very, very time-poor ninja.
[17:27] Yeah, compared to what I would normally say to you.
[17:30] He's not a great sleeper, so we usually have woken up at like three or four, gone back to sleep together for some cuddles, which is lovely.
[17:36] Wake up at probably 6.30, 7.00.
[17:40] I am lucky to like wash my face.
[17:42] I'll do cleanser, toner, moisturizer, and SPF.
[17:45] And then most days if I'm not recording or working or going to an event, like I will just wear a bare face with SPF all day.
[17:51] And that's – I actually love not wearing makeup.
[17:54] I love it.
[17:55] Yeah.
[17:55] My skin is better when I don't.
[17:57] If I just like nothing else, just cleanse, tone, moisturize, sunscreen.
[18:00] Yeah.
[18:00] Do you know what I think the best thing about not wearing makeup is though?
[18:03] At the end of the day when you go to bed, you don't have to do the whole makeup removal routine.
[18:08] It's so good when it's like, oh, I'm going to go to bed.
[18:11] Oh, no makeup on.
[18:12] It's literally like cleansing teeth done.
[18:15] Yeah.
[18:15] You're not pulling off lashes.
[18:16] You're not doing your eyes.
[18:17] You're not doing...
[18:18] I spent my whole 20s with no makeup on and then I got to my 30s.
[18:22] I was the reverse.
[18:23] In COVID lockdown, I think for my mental health, I never wore makeup to school, pick up, drop off.
[18:29] I'd be wearing pajamas, like just looking like a train wreck.
[18:31] All in my 20s.
[18:32] Got to my 30s.
[18:33] Still wear pajamas and stuff to school but with a full face of glam.
[18:36] Yeah, you do a glam.
[18:37] I do a glam.
[18:38] I'm the reverse.
[18:38] 20s, I was insecure.
[18:39] I needed makeup all the time.
[18:41] Particularly because I had this thing that like my eyes were smaller than everyone.
[18:44] I needed to make them bigger.
[18:45] Yeah.
[18:46] And now I'm like, nah, if I don't have to wear makeup, I'm not wearing it.
[18:48] Yeah.
[18:49] So I'm doing the opposite.
[18:50] And I think it's just like COVID lockdown, I was just like, my mental health was slipping.
[18:54] My grandmother said, just put a face and makeup on.
[18:57] And you'll feel good.
[18:57] Feel good about yourself.
[18:58] And I started doing that and I realized this whole shift mentally.
[19:01] Yeah.
[19:02] And now I've continued it, which is probably the worst thing because it's like you're getting older and I need my skin to probably breathe.
[19:07] I'm like, nah.
[19:08] No, but it is good.
[19:09] I feel like if I do have a meeting, especially because I work from home a lot, to switch your brain into, no, I'm on now.
[19:16] I'm not just, yeah, if I'm working, I do do a full face of makeup.
[19:20] Yeah, and that does get you into like, okay, I look cute.
[19:23] I'm in character.
[19:23] Yeah, I'm like cosplaying someone who's actually got their shit together.
[19:27] You do, babe, you do.
[19:28] Can you listen to your intro?
[19:30] You do.
[19:31] Yes.
[19:31] So that's the morning.
[19:32] Yes, I'm in the morning.
[19:33] Are you supplementing?
[19:34] Are you smoothing?
[19:35] I'm not smoothing in the morning.
[19:37] I try and remember supplements.
[19:39] I feel like that dropped off for the last 18 months.
[19:41] But in the last couple of months, I've started to remember fish oil.
[19:45] I'll do a bit of collagen, if I remember.
[19:48] I love collagen supplements.
[19:50] Vitamin B, vitamin C. The basics.
[19:52] The basics.
[19:53] But I haven't been any more advanced than that, I must say.
[19:56] Vitamin D, if it's in winter, I'm actually pretty good at that.
[19:58] Are you a vitamin D deficient, girly?
[20:01] Yes, and I also, because I do so much editing, I'm inside.
[20:04] Yeah.
[20:05] Like a lot of the time if I don't, even if I'm emceeing and stuff, it's indoors.
[20:09] So I just am more conscious of it, I guess.
[20:11] Yeah.
[20:12] And what about exercise?
[20:13] Exercise, again, you used to have a really great routine.
[20:16] When you were a ballerina for the Oz Ballet.
[20:18] When I was a ballerina, yeah.
[20:21] And then when I was younger and I had all the time in the world, at the moment I actually think that running around after a toddler keeps you way less sedentary than I would have been otherwise.
[20:30] So I'd probably get away with less than I used to.
[20:34] I'm a big reformer Pilates girl.
[20:36] I bet you slay that class.
[20:37] I'd love to watch her in reformer class.
[20:38] I'm actually...
[20:39] The point and I'm a bad bitch.
[20:40] You'll be showing everyone up.
[20:42] Does everyone watch you in Pilates?
[20:44] Just like, how does she do it?
[20:44] And the instructors are always like, like Sarah's doing it.
[20:46] I'm like, yeah, she's still got it.
[20:48] Where's my class with you?
[20:50] I just want to watch you.
[20:52] Jess gets really competitive in Pilates because she's a dancer.
[20:54] She'll be trying to outpoint you.
[20:56] Yeah, yeah.
[20:57] Because I'm always on the reformer next to her and her form's
[21:00] perfect.
[21:01] Okay, we'll go on either side of you.
[21:03] I know that she's in Jess's head because I know her so well.
[21:05] It's not about the perfect form.
[21:06] It's about having better form than everybody else.
[21:10] I'll injure myself.
[21:11] To be the winner.
[21:11] To get the full split.
[21:13] Like I need to be like 180.
[21:15] Yes.
[21:15] There is no, if I'm not having like a 90 degree angle, I am full.
[21:19] Yeah, doing the split.
[21:20] Pulling a hamstring.
[21:22] If anyone is close to me, I'm like, I'll do better.
[21:23] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[21:24] I'm literally doing this at the moment.
[21:25] You guys are the same.
[21:26] I literally am at the moment going, I went and did.
[21:28] It's because we're dancers.
[21:29] Yeah, dancers.
[21:29] My body remembers it.
[21:30] Yeah, I actually have forgotten the splits.
[21:31] Totally, muscle memory.
[21:32] I've actually forgotten how to do the splits, but I've been practicing the last two weeks.
[21:36] I've given myself six weeks.
[21:37] For the BTS concert.
[21:38] Yeah.
[21:39] Literally doing BTS concert.
[21:40] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[21:41] We've done splits and somersaults.
[21:42] Yeah.
[21:42] No, but I've given myself six weeks to learn how to do the splits.
[21:46] Reform is really good for that because you can, like, do it against resistance.
[21:50] I'm also a big...
[21:51] runner, which I've never been in my life before.
[21:54] But because it's the only thing you can do anywhere, anytime, and around a child's sleep situation, you can't do classes around a small child, but you can just go for a run.
[22:04] So I found that I can fit in.
[22:07] Yeah, pushing a pram and running.
[22:08] Do you go park or do you just like go around the streets?
[22:10] I just go around the streets.
[22:11] We live near the beach.
[22:12] I kind of run to the beachfront.
[22:13] How long do you go?
[22:14] I'm like a 5K girl.
[22:16] I've done longer before.
[22:18] Like, mind you, five years ago, I hadn't run more than a kilometer.
[22:21] I just one day was like, this is, I want to become.
[22:24] Yeah, I actually had an amazing.
[22:26] And it's free.
[22:27] So I had an amazing partnership with Nike where their job was to take non-runners who hated running.
[22:33] I was renowned for hating it.
[22:35] Yeah.
[22:35] I hate it.
[22:35] And give us the proper shoes, the proper training.
[22:38] And instead of, you know how like random people will sign up for a 10K, not train, hurt themselves, and then say they hate running.
[22:45] And it's like, we didn't really give it a chance.
[22:47] They gave us like a 12-week program to do a half marathon.
[22:50] Wow.
[22:51] And I did it.
[22:52] And you did it.
[22:53] And I loved it.
[22:54] Of course she did.
[22:54] She's a weapon.
[22:55] I've never done it again and I don't need to, but I'm like, it's converted me to the, I get what people mean when they say they have a runner's high.
[23:02] The endorphins, as we come back to the endorphins, when you finish a run and you haven't spent anything, you've done it on your own time, you've listened to a podcast, you've moved your body.
[23:10] It's just so good.
[23:12] So I run once a week and I do a Pilates class once a week.
[23:15] And that's it.
[23:16] Yeah.
[23:16] And at the moment you chase a two-year-old around.
[23:19] I don't do anything.
[23:19] And I chase a two-year-old.
[23:20] It's really good.
[23:20] And do you know what is so underrated?
[23:22] Walking.
[23:23] Yeah.
[23:23] Genuinely walking.
[23:25] Like with a friend or what are you doing when you're walking?
[23:27] Because I'm just like, if I'm walking, I might as well run and get this over way quicker.
[23:30] Yeah.
[23:31] But actually, interesting, there's a lot of research that has come out about the power of just walking for your heart rate and your metabolic rate, like over longer periods than you can for running.
[23:40] Yeah.
[23:40] It's low impact, so no injuries.
[23:43] Teddy doesn't sleep in his cot for day naps.
[23:46] So I get like a
[23:47] full hour walk.
[23:48] Yes.
[23:49] A couple of times a week.
[23:49] That's awesome.
[23:50] So is this in the pram?
[23:51] In the pram.
[23:52] Oh my God.
[23:52] Yeah.
[23:53] What about when it's raining and cold?
[23:54] Yeah, a car.
[23:55] Oh, the car.
[23:56] I'm clocking up the case.
[23:57] Do you know what?
[23:57] Remember my first one was like that?
[23:59] Yeah, it's hard.
[24:00] Yeah, that's hard.
[24:01] Slept on me.
[24:02] or in a pram or in a car.
[24:04] I would love if he slept on me.
[24:06] He's still not a great sleeper.
[24:07] He's still not.
[24:08] Yeah, I think he'll be next.
[24:09] This will be lifelong.
[24:10] He's so freaking just that it's fine.
[24:12] You'll be one and done.
[24:14] Because you're not going to sleep.
[24:16] And I think the walking is actually what helps because it's regular, it's every day, and it's a full hour.
[24:19] Yeah.
[24:20] Oh, that's good.
[24:21] Maybe I should have a baby so I can start walking again.
[24:23] I feel like you can start walking without a baby.
[24:24] Yeah, I've got two dogs.
[24:25] You don't need a baby.
[24:26] You can just go outside and go for a walk.
[24:29] So funny.
[24:29] Just put on some like Duolingo for Korean.
[24:32] I know.
[24:32] And slowly, slowly.
[24:33] I know.
[24:33] I should.
[24:34] Yeah, I should.
[24:35] Yeah.
[24:35] But yeah, big fan of Pilates as well.
[24:37] Okay.
[24:37] It's amazing.
[24:38] Thank you.
[24:38] So what is your daily skincare, hair and makeup routine?
[24:42] No gatekeeping.
[24:44] Okay, so coming back to the high maintenance to be low maintenance, as I said, skincare is very much reliant on a monthly facial where I get a full clean out, extractions, I'll get microdermabrasion.
[24:57] I don't touch my skin in between, but I get regular clean outs and full masks.
[25:03] Like sometimes I'll get a chemical peel so that day to day, all I need to do is cleanse, tone, moisturize and SPF.
[25:08] How often do you wash your hair a week?
[25:10] Oh, okay.
[25:11] You've got great hair.
[25:12] I feel like, yeah, hair is all mine and I wash it probably.
[25:17] So I must say.
[25:18] Floppy hair.
[25:19] Ancient hair is the best hair.
[25:20] I feel very lucky.
[25:21] I feel like my skin is pretty good.
[25:22] I used to have really temperamental skin when I was younger, but I will die on the hill of get regular facials because you don't need much when you're doing that.
[25:30] I haven't really gotten lasers.
[25:32] I haven't really done any injectables or...
[25:36] regular anti-wrinkle injections or anything like that yet.
[25:39] And I think that's a genetics thing.
[25:41] Definitely that's not.
[25:42] But that's not like normal for your background.
[25:45] Yeah.
[25:46] And I also think because I'm looking after my skin more regularly, I don't need it as much.
[25:50] Hair, very low maintenance.
[25:51] I just shampoo, conditioner, shampoo.
[25:53] once every three days.
[25:54] I heat tool the shit out of this hair and it stays up pretty well.
[25:59] That's because you don't have a lot of color in your hair though, right?
[26:01] I've only just taken it out.
[26:03] So the second part to my answer to this question is makeup wise, things have changed in the past couple of weeks because I had a random video on TikTok go viral recently for me looking like I was in my 50s.
[26:17] And I was so shook.
[26:19] I think I look pretty good.
[26:20] Yeah, you look amazing.
[26:22] I think I either.
[26:22] Someone said that you looked 50.
[26:25] Minimum 40s.
[26:26] Late 40s.
[26:27] So did someone say or was it like, you know how… So like 100 people said it.
[26:31] The video was a random transition video for a wedding that my husband and I did.
[26:35] I love your transition.
[26:36] They're the best.
[26:37] I love them so much.
[26:38] It's just a bit of fun.
[26:39] Yeah.
[26:40] And I also like to show how it like…
[26:41] fugly and chaotic it starts.
[26:43] So I'm like, I've got to include the shitty bit and then show you like the range that she's got.
[26:47] Yeah, she didn't wake up like this.
[26:49] Yeah, literally.
[26:50] So we did a transition.
[26:51] It could be the ad for Vanish.
[26:53] That's exactly what this podcast is.
[26:55] You've got to show both sides.
[26:56] Actually, our next, okay, you're going to creatively, you've been the creative producer of the next ad campaign.
[27:01] Yes.
[27:01] I'm on it.
[27:02] And we're going to do, oh, yes.
[27:04] Yes.
[27:04] I'm on it.
[27:05] Oh my God.
[27:05] Okay, so we did a transition and someone left a comment saying,
[27:09] Oxford Study 40 Plus Edition.
[27:12] Oxford Study is a false study based on some other actual report that was interpreted completely the wrong way that's about how Asian women date white men.
[27:22] So trolls will just leave comments on that when there's a white man and an Asian woman.
[27:26] And I was like, well, I just tongue in cheek because I'm like secure in myself and I know that they're just keyboard warriors.
[27:32] I was like, well, firstly, that's not even that offensive because you're wrong.
[27:35] So I made a video being like, that's not offensive because you're wrong.
[27:37] My husband is half Asian.
[27:38] Like do research, guys.
[27:41] Secondly, I'm a fake Asian because I'm adopted.
[27:43] So it doesn't even work.
[27:44] Yeah.
[27:44] I'm more offended about the 40 plus thing.
[27:47] Yeah.
[27:47] Because I was like, I am 36.
[27:48] That is still mid.
[27:50] I'm not late 30s.
[27:51] I am mid.
[27:52] You're still 10%.
[27:53] And I'm going to hold on to that to 38 and a half.
[27:55] Like I am mid 30s.
[27:56] Now hold that up to 39.
[27:57] 39, 360.
[27:57] Yeah.
[27:57] How many days in a year?
[27:58] 65.
[27:58] 64 days.
[27:58] 65.
[27:58] I'm still mid 30s even though I was one day from 40.
[28:01] 65 or 64.
[28:06] So then I did the thing saying that I was offended more about the 40s than the original racist comment that they meant me to be offended by, but I recorded it in really bad lighting.
[28:16] Yeah.
[28:16] And then hundreds of people in response to that video were like, sorry, but you do look like you're in your 40s or 50s.
[28:24] Duh.
[28:26] Or 50s.
[28:26] Or 50s.
[28:27] Duh.
[28:27] And I was like, there is nothing wrong with looking like you're in it or being in your 50s.
[28:31] No.
[28:32] I just don't want to look at 20 years ahead.
[28:34] Yes.
[28:34] Because imagine when you're 50.
[28:36] Like a 100, like a Sultana.
[28:39] So then I was like, you know what?
[28:41] Again, you've got to take the good and ignore the bads.
[28:44] I was like, there were some actually really lovely worded, in amongst all the trolling staff, there was a lot of like makeup artists or maybe Asian people who had more of an Asian upbringing who were like, actually, I think it's just that you've, you're using a lot of Western techniques on your hair and makeup and that's aging you.
[29:01] Whereas maybe you could try a different hair color
[29:06] look really like they reveal your age.
[29:08] Or you could try a little bit lighter eyeshadow, a little bit less foundation.
[29:12] And like there were some really nice worded things in the middle.
[29:14] So then I was like, you know what?
[29:16] Sometimes you do need a reminder of what a completely objective stranger thinks of you because you never reevaluate.
[29:23] I've been doing the same makeup for like 20 years.
[29:25] Yeah.
[29:25] So we're talking useful trolls.
[29:28] Yes.
[29:28] Yeah.
[29:29] They're useful.
[29:30] They are helping me be more youthful.
[29:33] So I have gone from a full routine that I've had for years and years and years to a completely different routine, which is much less makeup over the last couple of weeks.
[29:44] And we're still going.
[29:45] So I'm testing a new thing every video and people are coming on like along on the ride for me.
[29:50] And giving you like tips and tricks and all that to kind of like.
[29:54] It's all about
[29:54] Less makeup.
[29:55] So you're like, yes.
[29:56] Makeup ages us.
[29:57] The more you put on, the older you look, which is good.
[29:59] When you're 18, you want to look older.
[30:01] Yeah.
[30:02] But now when you're 18, you want to look 18 again.
[30:04] And so one of the really brutal comments, but it actually made me think about it, was like, I think why you're so attached to this makeup is because it was trendy, which was like quite a smoky eye.
[30:13] It was trendy at the time when you felt the most confident or the most hot, which was like in your mid-20s, and you've stuck with it because that's what worked with you then.
[30:21] And I was like, yes.
[30:22] Actually, you're right.
[30:24] It got me my husband.
[30:25] It's obviously done something, right?
[30:27] He likes the smoky eyes.
[30:28] Yeah, but then I slowly have paired it back and they were like, you know, don't go all the way in with your dark eyeshadow.
[30:35] Start on the outside.
[30:36] Don't do that crescent shape, less liner, less mascara, no foundation.
[30:40] Leave your freckles out.
[30:41] If you've got freckles, people draw them on.
[30:43] Like leave them out.
[30:44] So now I'm just doing a tinted moisturizer, a little bit of concealer for the pigment, but leaving the freckles out.
[30:51] out.
[30:52] Yes, I see those freckles, girl.
[30:53] Yeah, they're out too many freckles.
[30:55] I love them.
[30:56] More blush.
[30:56] Yeah.
[30:57] Yeah, I love blush.
[30:57] Because I wasn't doing it and not pulling it out so far, like more in the middle of the apple.
[31:01] Apples, yeah.
[31:02] No eyeshadow unless I'm filming.
[31:04] Yeah.
[31:05] Just mascara.
[31:06] And then if I'm filming, eyeshadow, I don't know if you guys can see, it's like from the outside.
[31:09] That's odd, yeah.
[31:10] Not a crescent shape.
[31:11] Yeah.
[31:11] Yeah.
[31:12] And then only a little bit of liner.
[31:14] And no blacks.
[31:15] Yeah.
[31:16] I've got a big no blacks now.
[31:17] Yeah.
[31:18] Using black eyeliner, I think, makes me look like a stripper.
[31:21] And I put it on, I'm like, whoa.
[31:23] Yeah.
[31:23] Well, now when I look back to that first video, I'm like, I see it.
[31:26] Yeah.
[31:27] I have just taken up 10 years of my life.
[31:29] Literally.
[31:29] I have been schooled by useful trolls.
[31:32] Yeah.
[31:32] And the other thing was I dyed my hair.
[31:34] And I was like, no.
[31:35] I see that I actually look younger now because all my other features pop, whereas the blonde was washing me out, but I didn't know.
[31:42] You're de-Westernizing yourself.
[31:43] Yes.
[31:44] And going back to your Asian roots.
[31:45] I love it.
[31:46] So the next thing is Korean color analysis to find the – so if anyone on this show knows where you can get it done in Melbourne –
[31:54] I mean, I will fly to Korea to get it done.
[31:56] I know you guys couldn't get in.
[31:57] We should all go in Melbourne together and get it done.
[32:00] Someone had flown out about two or three months ago from Korea.
[32:03] They were like huge, huge like in Korea.
[32:06] And they flew out and did this whole colour correction thing.
[32:08] But it was completely sold out within like two days.
[32:11] Surely there's some Korean person living here who does it.
[32:15] Yeah.
[32:15] All right, slide into our DMs if you know anyone.
[32:17] Yes, that would be awesome.
[32:27] I would love to know, given you seem to be a bit of a dopamine chaser and you're a yes, yes, yes.
[32:32] How do you switch off?
[32:35] I'm talking spirituality or meditation or do you go on retreats?
[32:40] How do you try and stop burnout happening again?
[32:43] Or are you just finding your way?
[32:46] Firstly, there was a big revelation recently.
[32:48] This is before I had Teddy, that it's hard to say no to things you don't want to do.
[32:52] Like it's weird that we don't know how to say no if we don't want to do it.
[32:55] I think we just feel pressure or you want to be there for everyone.
[32:58] Be liked.
[32:59] Yeah, you want to be liked.
[33:00] You want to make everyone happy.
[33:01] The big thing I had to learn was to say no when you do want to do things.
[33:05] Like there's just not enough time to fit in everything.
[33:07] And it took a really long time for me to be like –
[33:09] Yes, I really want to take that opportunity.
[33:12] And yes, I feel like my career needs me to say yes to that.
[33:15] But you look at the calendar, if there's no room, there's no room.
[33:18] You just can't keep eating into your reserves or, yeah, you'll burn out.
[33:22] So I got really good at scheduling in me time.
[33:26] And if I did end up like some amazing opportunity came up, instead of deleting it from my calendar, I had to move it.
[33:33] So no matter what, there was a chunk of time blocked out for not work.
[33:38] And what do you do in that time?
[33:39] Well, before Teddy, it was reading.
[33:42] It was like something really analog.
[33:44] It was meditation.
[33:45] Or it was actually meditating.
[33:47] No, but see, I would do that.
[33:48] I'd go for a walk and I'd listen to a business podcast and I'd be like, I'm resting.
[33:52] Why am I still tired?
[33:53] It's because you're still learning.
[33:54] So I'd have to do fiction only.
[33:57] and have a bath or do something really analog where you can't be thinking about work.
[34:01] What does analog mean in that context?
[34:04] Like offline.
[34:04] Okay, offline.
[34:05] Like not digital.
[34:07] I kept thinking like analog TV.
[34:10] I just kept thinking of the TV.
[34:11] She's like, oh, yeah.
[34:12] Well, I'm actually really smart, but that was a dumb question.
[34:14] However, I'm like analog.
[34:16] I love that she learned analog and I learned about slut strains.
[34:19] Yeah.
[34:19] Guys, we are learning so much today.
[34:22] Analog means offline.
[34:23] It's like the opposite of digital.
[34:25] Yeah.
[34:26] So I feel like the biggest step for me was scheduling in rest time at the same level of importance, like putting it in my calendar, the same as a meeting.
[34:35] And if I didn't treat them as the same importance, there's no way my brain would prioritize that.
[34:38] We're wearing a glam and you're off time.
[34:41] And you're analog.
[34:41] We still analog now.
[34:44] And I used to have Sundays where almost invariably I would not have a catch-up.
[34:49] I wouldn't have work.
[34:50] I wouldn't go to any events on a Sunday.
[34:52] That was my day where I would barely touch my phone.
[34:54] So no matter how, like, naughty I was in filling my Monday to Saturday up, Sunday would, like, catch me before it could ever get too bad.
[35:01] Like, reset.
[35:02] Wow.
[35:02] Then I had kids.
[35:03] Did you find that hard?
[35:04] I found it hard for the first couple of weeks.
[35:06] And then like any habit, the more you practice it, the more you're like, I would hang out for that Sunday.
[35:10] I was like, I'm so desperate to not talk to anyone.
[35:14] I'm such a bubbly person, but I've learned I'm also an extrovert how I spend my energy, but an introvert in how I regain it.
[35:21] So you can actually be like a hybrid.
[35:23] Yeah, I'm the same.
[35:24] Like I'm so out there when I'm out there, but I need to be
[35:27] quiet and introverted and introspective at home.
[35:31] Then I had a baby and the ability to schedule rest doesn't really happen.
[35:35] But I also feel like when I'm with him playing and being mum, that's analog.
[35:41] That keeps you in the moment.
[35:42] You can't think about work.
[35:43] You can't think about the to-do list.
[35:44] So...
[35:45] Part of resting is just being with my kid.
[35:48] Playing cars.
[35:49] Yeah, literally being in the sandpit, taking him to the park, that stuff automatically.
[35:52] Having a bath with him.
[35:53] Yeah, it builds in that analogue time.
[35:56] Downtime, that analogue time.
[35:57] She's just going to use that time.
[35:58] I'm obsessed.
[35:59] Yeah, that analogue time.
[36:00] I'm going to go home and I'm going to use it five times tonight and report back on how it's peaked.
[36:03] I literally call it my analogue time.
[36:04] She's taking an effort to analogue time.
[36:06] Analogue.
[36:07] And then the other thing is I still try and meditate after he goes to bed and I still try and read.
[36:12] I will still have like a fiction book at the side of my bed and I might only get like three pages done.
[36:17] What kind of book are we talking about?
[36:18] Vampires, 50 Pages.
[36:19] I'm not sci-fi.
[36:20] I am a crumb.
[36:21] You guys know this.
[36:22] What is it?
[36:22] Clit lit?
[36:23] Is that what you call it?
[36:23] I haven't really gotten into clit lit.
[36:26] What?
[36:26] I'm like, I don't have time.
[36:27] Our producer's nodding.
[36:28] I've never heard of it.
[36:29] I've fully done that.
[36:30] Yes, she's good.
[36:32] Clit lit.
[36:32] I've never heard of it.
[36:33] Oh, you would love it.
[36:35] Oh, stop.
[36:36] I can't read.
[36:36] See, that doesn't relax me.
[36:37] That gets you too, like, amped up.
[36:39] Yeah, because then your husband comes into bed and is like, we are on.
[36:41] Yes.
[36:42] I'm like, no, I need to sleep.
[36:43] I need to sleep.
[36:44] So I'm like a crime girl.
[36:46] Oh, my God.
[36:46] Oh, I love crime.
[36:47] Oh, no, that's too scary.
[36:48] No, I love it.
[36:49] I love it.
[36:49] I watch true crime, like, on TV before I sleep.
[36:52] And apparently you're a psychopath.
[36:53] Like, if you can watch a murder show and then go to sleep.
[36:56] I love it.
[36:57] But you know, I've read this reel.
[36:58] The reason women love crime shows is because it's the first time a man can organize something.
[37:04] Yeah.
[37:07] self-motivate self-motivate execute and clean up yes that's like women love crime shows the first time you see a man do all the women's steps but it's yeah 100% I like I need escapism so it can't be work related it has to be fiction or if it's true crime that's so removed from my life that like I'll just online do a podcast and Nick's the same we will watch
[37:31] just shitty crime TV after Teddy goes to bed together.
[37:34] And that's like our activity.
[37:35] Or we'll watch memes.
[37:37] Oh, memes are fun.
[37:37] I love memes.
[37:38] And he does this thing every day where he curates the best memes that he's found on the internet.
[37:42] And I'm not allowed to watch them until we're together at the end of the night.
[37:45] Oh, that's the best.
[37:45] Can you send them to me?
[37:46] It is actually me.
[37:47] Can you forward them and then Johnny will do the same?
[37:50] Do you know, it is so good because there's so much shit on the internet.
[37:54] It's all feel good, funny, like sales animals.
[37:57] It's just like he'll spend all day every time he sees something.
[38:00] He's like, that's for the feed.
[38:01] That's for the feed.
[38:02] We do it together.
[38:02] I just send food to Val.
[38:04] I don't know why.
[38:05] You send me your good me.
[38:06] I send you the good me.
[38:07] It's a love language.
[38:08] Oh, my God, this is us.
[38:09] It's a love language.
[38:11] It is.
[38:12] Back to your meditation.
[38:13] Do you do a guided meditation and how many minutes do you schedule for it?
[38:16] Because I know I need to do this more.
[38:18] But I'm like, ugh, meditation.
[38:20] I get my kids to do it.
[38:22] But like they won't be listening to this.
[38:24] But like kind of shamefully, I make sure I've got them into a good habit of doing it my older too.
[38:29] But I still can't even do it every day.
[38:31] So it's like you expect your kids to do something that you can't even do.
[38:34] They just do like a five to ten minute guided meditation.
[38:38] What do you do?
[38:39] I go in and out.
[38:40] I got to a really good stage just before Teddy where I'd actually done a Vedic meditation course, which is where you get given… Of course she has.
[38:48] She's done a meditation course.
[38:48] Yeah.
[38:49] Well, I was like… She's done all the courses.
[38:51] Because, yeah.
[38:51] Are you a celebrant as well?
[38:52] I really want to excel at everything.
[38:54] No, because I wanted to… I thought if I spend money on the course, it will make me feel like I have to do it every day.
[39:01] Yeah, because I was too casual before.
[39:03] So I was like, no, I want to do the full Vedic meditation course, which is a style where you do 20 minutes twice a day, not guided.
[39:08] You get given your mantra by your teacher.
[39:12] And it was…
[39:13] absolutely incredible for my mental health.
[39:15] I did it twice a day for the year after I bought the course and then I had a baby and then obviously it all goes out the window.
[39:20] I want a pretty girl mantra.
[39:23] Actually, you're not ever allowed to tell anyone else what your mantra is.
[39:25] You often don't know what it means.
[39:27] Jess would tell.
[39:27] She won't tell.
[39:29] I'd tell anyone else.
[39:30] But it was such an incredible investment because I –
[39:33] I have a really woo-woo side of my personality, but I also have a side that forgets who that bitch is.
[39:37] And it's like, well, I don't have time for that shit.
[39:39] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[39:40] And so it kept me really accountable.
[39:42] Then when Teddy was born, I would say I didn't meditate for like a whole year.
[39:45] Like at all.
[39:46] And then whenever you get out of the habit of something, you do need to start, you have to start somewhere.
[39:51] So I went back to guided and to shorter because 40 minutes a day.
[39:56] I can't.
[39:56] I have like five minutes.
[39:58] No.
[39:58] I could even do five.
[39:58] So now I'll do guided.
[40:00] I love the Calm app.
[40:01] I love… Calm app.
[40:02] I'm writing it down.
[40:03] Smiling mind.
[40:03] Have amazing ones.
[40:04] Oh, yes.
[40:04] Smiling mind are good.
[40:05] Yeah.
[40:06] And literally even sometimes I will just close my eyes and take 10 breaths in and out.
[40:09] Okay.
[40:10] If that's all you can manage, it's better than nothing.
[40:12] And it manages your nervous system before… Like if I'm nervous or if I'm really anxious about something…
[40:18] we forget that we're shallow breathing all day.
[40:20] You don't even realize you're doing it.
[40:22] You just take like 10 big in and out and hold at the top and breathe out.
[40:26] Eyes shut.
[40:27] You'll open your eyes and you're like, I'm actually more reset than I thought.
[40:29] It took 30 seconds.
[40:30] Okay.
[40:31] I might try that one.
[40:32] There's actually a song called Wait Less.
[40:34] Have you heard of it?
[40:35] No.
[40:35] And it's from Macaroni Union.
[40:38] It's the most randomest thing you've ever said.
[40:40] Actually, no, it's not.
[40:41] No, we don't.
[40:42] I'm saying really wrong things.
[40:43] So this is a weird fact.
[40:44] So this is a song and I've actually got it on my playlist, but it is being known and being scientifically proven if it's dangerous to listen to it in the car.
[40:54] Because you fall asleep.
[40:55] Because you can fall asleep, you can have car accidents.
[40:57] Is this the one at that certain frequency?
[40:59] I was going to say, it's like vibration.
[41:00] It's called Weightless and it's from Macaroni.
[41:03] Sorry.
[41:04] No, sorry, tag that back.
[41:05] It's called Macaroni.
[41:08] She's so hungry right now.
[41:10] She drops syllables.
[41:12] She can't decode.
[41:13] It's also starving, so that's fine.
[41:15] I'll pay that.
[41:16] I'm hangry.
[41:17] It's called Marconi.
[41:19] Say M-A-R-C-O-N-I.
[41:22] Marconi.
[41:23] Union.
[41:24] Can I also say one of the weirdest things I do instead of meditation when I can't get away from meditation?
[41:29] my son, we've started doing little dance-offs together.
[41:33] I do that.
[41:34] And when you want to just like, well, obviously you guys actually do a routine.
[41:37] He's a toddler.
[41:38] We can't do that.
[41:39] I can't like break down into my like slut drops in the middle of it.
[41:42] You know what?
[41:42] It's your son.
[41:43] I reckon he can do a routine.
[41:45] He probably could, yeah.
[41:46] And learn French.
[41:47] We have started just like putting on my old school like Swedish house mafia.
[41:52] Yeah.
[41:52] Yeah.
[41:53] On the sauna.
[41:53] So like super loud and just dancing around together.
[41:56] Yeah, it's a reset.
[41:57] The dopamine hit you get from like 2000s house or 90s R&B.
[42:01] It's amazing.
[42:03] You cannot be in a bad mood.
[42:04] You cannot be in a bad mood.
[42:06] No.
[42:07] Drum and bass as well.
[42:09] Get out some music.
[42:10] So good.
[42:11] So good.
[42:11] So good.
[42:11] It's just like it just gives me all the feels.
[42:15] A different persona comes out and I'm like,
[42:17] Whoa, I haven't seen her in a long time.
[42:19] I was driving down the freeway the other day, you know that AI kind of stuff on your apps and it says, oh, if you like this song, you'll love this one and it recommends you all these songs.
[42:28] The best song ever.
[42:30] And I was driving down to Geelong one day.
[42:32] I listened to it about 27 times in the car and I was headbanging in the car.
[42:36] My whole car was shaking.
[42:37] Like, who is this person?
[42:39] Yeah.
[42:39] It was like dopamine was exploding as serotonin out of my car.
[42:43] And then I got home and played it.
[42:44] And every time it comes on, it's like our favorite Dom Dollar song.
[42:47] I was going to say, I've seen you in your Dom Dollar.
[42:49] It's that on steroids.
[42:51] Oh, send it to me.
[42:52] Actually, you sent this to me when I was in a foul mood and I didn't play it that day.
[42:56] You wouldn't have been in a foul mood anymore.
[42:58] I know.
[42:59] I'm in a foul mood still.
[43:00] But you've made me happy.
[43:01] You've made me happy.
[43:02] You both have made me happy.
[43:04] Yay!
[43:04] We just all have a song that if someone wants to get you out of the house, like most nights I want to be at home in my pyjamas.
[43:10] Yeah.
[43:10] If you need to get me out, we all have a song.
[43:13] We all have a song.
[43:14] Yeah, the party song.
[43:14] And Rosé with a bit of ice in it.
[43:16] Yeah, that's your next song.
[43:17] Yeah, I'm out.
[43:18] I have to say.
[43:18] Yeah, mine's in a groany.
[43:19] Oh, a groany.
[43:20] And Swedish House Mafia, don't you worry.
[43:22] if you ever need to get me out of the house, I will, like, I am on.
[43:25] I'm like, anything you want me to do, I'll do it.
[43:26] Yeah, yeah.
[43:27] Any music will get me out of the house.
[43:28] I just love music.
[43:29] But that's my thing.
[43:30] I don't exercise.
[43:31] I don't meditate.
[43:32] But I dance at least twice a day.
[43:34] Dance is meditation.
[43:35] Yeah.
[43:36] It's just like, and when I'm cooking, I've got the music blurring.
[43:38] Like, it's just dance.
[43:39] It's just dance.
[43:40] Yes, I get it.
[43:41] You are exercising.
[43:42] That is exercise.
[43:44] 100%.
[43:44] Wear my aura ring.
[43:45] That's why we were all skinny back in the days when we were clubbing.
[43:47] I know.
[43:47] We were dancing like 50 hours a week in.
[43:49] No, it's because we were 18.
[43:50] Let's be honest.
[43:51] Oh, that too.
[43:51] And we're wearing stilettos.
[43:53] Really good for the calf muscles.
[43:54] So good for balance.
[43:55] So good for balance.
[43:56] Core stabilizers.
[43:57] And also...
[43:58] We were so cold in Melbourne winter that we were shaking all the fat off.
[44:02] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[44:03] We were on like a vibration plate just outside for the cold.
[44:07] All right.
[44:07] Back on track.
[44:08] Fane girls.
[44:09] Fane girly.
[44:10] Fane-ish.
[44:10] So side quest.
[44:11] What treatment or product do you swear by?
[44:14] Is there something you cannot live without?
[44:16] Yes.
[44:16] Yes.
[44:16] So I have always clenched my jaw really, really intensely, especially when I sleep.
[44:23] And I've tried mouth guards.
[44:24] I even had a splint made, which is like the proper dental device.
[44:29] And I bit through it.
[44:30] Wow, you are clenching.
[44:32] I am so, so bad.
[44:33] You're going to stretch.
[44:34] A strong jaw.
[44:34] A strong jaw, which I didn't even realize.
[44:36] Yeah.
[44:36] But Nick would wake up and my teeth were grinding so loudly that it would wake him up in the middle of the night.
[44:41] Yeah.
[44:42] And so when I bit through the splint, my dentist was like, that's the last frontier before we go a little bit more intense because they're just so strong.
[44:50] So he recommended, and this wasn't for cosmetic reasons, but anti-wrinkle injections in the masseter muscles to relax them because that was the only way that I could.
[44:59] They were so hyperactive.
[45:01] Mm-hmm.
[45:01] that it also causes tension, headaches, migraines.
[45:05] And I didn't know that that was a side effect.
[45:07] So I think it was a couple of years ago now, I ended up getting the anti-wrinkle injections in my masseters and instantly it relaxed them so much that I could sleep without clenching.
[45:20] It
[45:23] It kind of relaxes, yeah, that intense tension that I had.
[45:27] And then a side effect that I just, I didn't know could happen because I'd never sort of seen my face with and without the pronounced muscles, which I wasn't expecting.
[45:38] Yeah.
[45:39] Not why I went there because I didn't know.
[45:40] I don't think it does happen for everyone.
[45:42] But in my case, because they were so pronounced, the shape of my lower face looked a bit different, which I wasn't expecting because I understand that it's a natural effect of sort of disabling those muscles that your lower face shape can change.
[45:58] And it doesn't happen to everyone.
[45:59] But it happened to you.
[46:00] It happened to me.
[46:01] There you go.
[46:02] It was so interesting.
[46:04] And then headaches?
[46:05] Headaches gone.
[46:06] Yeah.
[46:06] Ability to sleep gone.
[46:07] I have to get them quite regularly, more than the average person.
[46:11] And even immediately after I get them, the muscles are so strong that I can still clench them.
[46:15] Clench them.
[46:16] And you can see the muscle moving.
[46:18] And like protrude out kind of thing when you clench.
[46:20] Yeah.
[46:20] Yeah.
[46:20] Because they're so strong.
[46:21] Even afterwards.
[46:22] But the overall muscle that just had been built up there for my whole life was...
[46:27] and was creating like a pouch shape in the bottom of my face.
[46:30] For me particularly, it just sort of faded away over those couple of months.
[46:35] Now you can sleep better.
[46:36] Now I can sleep better.
[46:37] So what do you want to try in the future?
[46:39] Everything.
[46:40] I'm actually really curious.
[46:42] My requirement for myself wasn't like, don't do anything.
[46:46] It was just wait until you feel like you need it.
[46:48] Babe, those jeans, you ain't going to need anything ever.
[46:50] No, no, that's wrong.
[46:52] Do you know what?
[46:53] I feel like Asian jeans hold up really, really, really well until like 60 or 70 and then you look 100.
[46:58] There's just no middle ground.
[46:59] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[47:00] Like the Sultana thing, I feel like you go like, grape, grape, grape, grape, grape, Sultana.
[47:03] There's no middle.
[47:05] So at one point or another, it's going to happen.
[47:07] But when you're 60, 70, it's like whatever.
[47:09] You know?
[47:10] At least, you know.
[47:11] I know.
[47:11] I want to be Vera Wang.
[47:12] I want to look at her when I'm 90, you know?
[47:14] Yeah, she's...
[47:15] She's insane.
[47:16] She's 80.
[47:16] I think she's in it.
[47:17] I love Cher.
[47:18] How do you say Cher?
[47:19] Cher.
[47:19] I think it's Cher.
[47:20] Sunny and Cher.
[47:21] But yeah, really, really want to try Pico, Fraxel.
[47:27] Like I haven't tried any lasers for pigmentation.
[47:30] I haven't had a winter in a little while where I could have three weeks downtime and I've also been petrified.
[47:35] But as you get older, I'm like, no, now is the time.
[47:37] Do it with me this year.
[47:39] I'm doing it in winter.
[47:40] I would love to.
[47:40] I'm doing a Fraxel.
[47:42] Yeah, I've done facts later.
[47:43] Because I missed out last year and I've got all this pigmentation from summer that's come up.
[47:47] I am doing a hardcore laser.
[47:48] Yeah, I want to do hardcore laser.
[47:49] I've got to clear the schedule out for two weeks afterwards.
[47:51] Actually, I've got to get it in the calendar now because we've already booked up until April.
[47:55] Like you have to plan your year around these treatments and I've never done it properly.
[47:59] But now that 100 people have told me, it's the pigment.
[48:03] Asian people don't have pigment in their skin because they don't go to the sun.
[48:06] Like clearly I've been under the Australian ozone for my whole life.
[48:08] Yeah.
[48:09] They're like, you didn't get rid of that.
[48:10] I'm like, no.
[48:11] So lasers, definitely interested in all of the stuff that's coming out of Korea that's subdermal but isn't like a filler.
[48:19] There's like… The biostimulants.
[48:20] The biostimulants.
[48:21] Yeah, the salmon.
[48:22] Yeah, like the salmon.
[48:24] All of those things I'm definitely curious about.
[48:26] And I think this is my year that I'm like more open to it and…
[48:31] Yeah, I've also been breastfeeding and pregnant for so long.
[48:34] Priority's big.
[48:35] Priority.
[48:36] Yeah, I missed a big adventurous chunk of time.
[48:38] And also, I think now it's everything.
[48:39] Good genetics.
[48:40] Yeah, and you're bloody hot.
[48:41] You don't need to do it.
[48:41] Oh, you stop it, guys.
[48:43] Okay.
[48:44] Most faintish moment of all time.
[48:46] When have you been like, oh, she's faint even for her.
[48:49] You're like, this is good.
[48:50] Like it's red carpet that you've done.
[48:52] Is it when you think that you looked the hottest or is it when you were like the most diva?
[48:57] Most diva.
[48:58] Yeah.
[48:59] It could be anything.
[49:00] I would say my most vein-ish moment is like getting plastic surgery.
[49:03] Like how bloody vein is that?
[49:04] It doesn't get more vein than getting a general anesthetic, paying tens of thousands of dollars to knock yourself out to fix your eye bag so you can look younger.
[49:13] I mean, if that is not the epitome of the vein-est of the vein.
[49:15] I mean, it's worth it.
[49:16] You're like the hottest in the country.
[49:18] Something on that level.
[49:19] You're probably not at my level yet.
[49:21] I don't think I've cracked the seal of like- Yeah.
[49:24] A strange moment of like, you didn't like your makeup one day, so you just didn't go out.
[49:29] I'm a yes woman.
[49:30] Do you know what?
[49:30] I know, but there have been many times actually.
[49:32] When I first started getting my makeup done for work, I got really frustrated that a lot of makeup artists didn't know how to do Asian eyes.
[49:40] Is there an Asian makeup artist that's really big in Melbourne?
[49:44] There's quite a few.
[49:45] But you also just often you don't get to choose who's your makeup artist.
[49:48] And I find that they would always make my eyes look smaller when I wanted them to look bigger.
[49:53] Yeah.
[49:54] And so, so many times... Mm-hmm.
[49:57] I feel like if any of them were listening, they're like, I knew you didn't.
[50:01] I would go, I'm just going to the bathroom and take my whole bag in with me.
[50:04] Always, I would always have my full makeup kit with me.
[50:06] Yeah, just in case.
[50:07] So I could fix it to make myself feel more confident.
[50:10] But that's fair enough.
[50:11] I've done the same.
[50:12] Yeah, but then they would come walk out and they'd be like, I didn't put that on you.
[50:15] Like, it's so obvious that they stay on set.
[50:18] You're meant to do it after they leave.
[50:19] But they don't leave.
[50:20] They stay on set and they kind of purse their lips and like.
[50:23] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[50:24] Oh, you put a bit more on, did you?
[50:25] I'm like, yes.
[50:27] So I used to feel like a lot less confident unless my makeup was exactly how I wanted it.
[50:32] And I would, yeah, go and do a sneaky all the time.
[50:35] And then one day I was like, they know better.
[50:37] Like obviously they were doing what I'm now doing now.
[50:39] But do they?
[50:40] No.
[50:40] Well, now I realise they were doing what all of these people are telling me.
[50:44] So I feel like it's that.
[50:47] And then I guess like whenever I do a red carpet –
[50:51] I think I have like a lot of confidence in myself in real life and in day to day.
[50:54] But whenever I'm being photographed, I still feel like such an imposter when it's high fashion.
[50:59] Like I absolutely love it because it's such a fun, rare occasion for me.
[51:03] It's not really part of my job.
[51:05] Like I get to go to red carpet sometimes, but it's not something I do all the time.
[51:08] Yeah.
[51:09] I'm still like, I don't quite know my poses.
[51:12] Yeah.
[51:12] So I'm that person who's like, take another one.
[51:14] Like take another one.
[51:15] Yeah.
[51:15] I'm not like, like, you know, some people just get the shot.
[51:18] Yeah.
[51:18] I'm that person who's like, keep taking.
[51:20] And like, I'll pick in those thousand.
[51:22] There'll be one or two that I like.
[51:23] And I'm like, I look fucking hot in that one.
[51:25] But it took five hours.
[51:27] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[51:28] To get it.
[51:29] So I'll get my hair and makeup done really early so we don't have enough time for content.
[51:32] You know, I'm the same.
[51:33] I feel like when we go home, we need to go in front of the mirror and see how our legs should be.
[51:37] Because I'm really, Beck's amazing.
[51:39] Like when I do photos, Beck will be like on the sideline.
[51:41] She's like, just pull your leg out here.
[51:43] Do this, this.
[51:43] Because like,
[51:44] model over here.
[51:45] Yeah.
[51:45] Knows how to pose.
[51:46] And she's a pro for like angles.
[51:48] Angles and like wants everyone to look amazing.
[51:50] So she'll like critique and go, do this, do this, this.
[51:52] And then I get it.
[51:52] But then I'm like, because it's like a makeup artist doing your face, you don't know...
[51:56] how to do your own makeup.
[51:57] Yeah.
[51:58] But it's like, say when you say do this, this, I go, oh, how did I do that again?
[52:02] So we need to go home.
[52:03] Yeah.
[52:04] And practice.
[52:04] And be really vain and look at ourselves and practice our poses in our gowns.
[52:09] Yeah.
[52:10] So I think sometimes I'm that drainer who's like, can you take another one?
[52:12] Whereas some people are just like, one take, one.
[52:14] Yeah, one and done, yeah.
[52:15] But then I will get one and I'm like, that I'm really happy with.
[52:18] It just takes me long.
[52:19] than the average person.
[52:20] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[52:21] Maybe?
[52:21] I don't know.
[52:22] I get it.
[52:22] Happy for you to be vain like that.
[52:24] Yeah, yeah.
[52:24] That's good.
[52:25] That's good.
[52:25] Yeah, yeah.
[52:26] Like you want the right photo, right?
[52:27] Yeah, exactly.
[52:29] Well, Sarah, thank you so much for coming on to Vainish.
[52:32] Oh, thank you guys so much for having me.
[52:34] Always such a pleasure seeing you.
[52:36] I love chatting with you guys.
[52:37] I'm sorry I was boring.
[52:38] I feel like I was... No, you weren't.
[52:39] No, you weren't.
[52:40] You were like, I'm a basic bitch.
[52:42] No, but there's never anything boring about you.
[52:44] Ever.
[52:46] Never.
[52:46] Ever.
[52:47] And you're just such a bold positivity.
[52:48] And we just love having you around.
[52:50] So I love having you guys around.
[52:51] Thank you.
[52:52] Bye.

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