# Effie Kats Tell All

An episode of [Vain-ish](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1824105551), 30 Jun 2026, 58 min.

Audio: https://enrichment.soundstack.com/4vjqq8/episode.flightcast.com/u3ttpjvdyczpk7pbibm0rsp9.mp3

She’s been at the top of our guest wish list since launching Vain-ish - Effie Kats is finally here! Founder of fashion labels Effie Kats and Bayse Brand, and now a new mum to daughter Roza, Effie opens up about motherhood, life after birth, her personal experience with plastic surgery, and the unexpected product in her beauty routine that we didn't see coming. This episode discusses postnatal depression. If this brings up difficult feelings for you, support is available. In Australia, PANDA offers specialist support on 1300 726 306 or you can contact Lifeline for immediate assistance 24 hours 7 days a week on 13 11 14. You don't have to go through this alone. Find us on Instagram: @vainishpodcast, and thanks to our guest Effie Kats Hosts: @becjudd and @jessierobertsx Producer: Liza Altarejos Audio Imager: Chris Marsh Video Producer: Justin Hill Find more great podcasts at www.listnr.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] a listener production.
[0:05] I'm Bec Judd.
[0:06] And I'm Jess Roberts.
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[0:49] Hey, everyone.
[0:50] I'm Jess Roberts.
[0:51] I'm Bec Judd.
[0:51] Welcome to Veenish.
[0:53] How are you, babe?
[0:54] So good, babe.
[0:54] So good.
[0:55] You've got an axe to grind today?
[0:56] Oh, there's so many.
[0:59] Who are we taking down today?
[1:01] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[1:03] No.
[1:03] Let me at him.
[1:03] I've just had, sorry guys, I've just had this really heated conversation with Bec just before and I don't want to talk about it on air.
[1:10] So I'm just trying to like just calm my farm because I'm blood boiling.
[1:15] Yeah, I can see the steam coming out of your ears.
[1:17] I'll talk about it down the track.
[1:19] When it's done.
[1:20] When we've finished it.
[1:21] Yeah, when we've finished it.
[1:22] Because it will be finished.
[1:23] It will be finished.
[1:23] And we'll circle back.
[1:24] Yeah, and we'll circle back on how to do this.
[1:27] Okay.
[1:28] Get your thoughts together, Jess.
[1:30] We're not talking about that today.
[1:31] We're talking about something else.
[1:33] So our daughters have gone to a new school and it's Catholic.
[1:38] And I was raised Catholic.
[1:40] I did my baptism, confirmation, communion, reconciliation.
[1:44] I've done it all.
[1:46] And Scarlett gets in the car the other day and goes, mom, I want to be baptized.
[1:53] Yeah.
[1:53] Really?
[1:54] Yeah.
[1:54] She wants to be baptized.
[1:55] Good for her.
[1:56] Yeah.
[1:57] And I'm like, why?
[2:01] Is that the only reason?
[2:02] No, no, no.
[2:03] She goes, I go, why do you want to be baptized?
[2:05] She said, because when we go to church, the ones that are baptized get to eat the bread.
[2:11] She wants to get baptized so she can eat the little circle bread.
[2:14] Yeah.
[2:14] What does that taste like?
[2:15] Because I've never been baptized.
[2:16] It tastes like a wafer.
[2:18] Okay.
[2:18] But like no flavor.
[2:20] It's circle.
[2:21] It's like the baby crackers that you can get.
[2:22] Okay.
[2:23] So it's crunchy.
[2:24] It's not like bread.
[2:24] It's crunchy.
[2:25] Yeah.
[2:25] It doesn't taste like bread.
[2:26] Okay.
[2:27] And she's like, no.
[2:27] Well, that's a lie.
[2:28] I know.
[2:28] I know.
[2:29] But she wants to get baptized so she can eat the bread.
[2:30] Yeah.
[2:32] In mass.
[2:32] Because what does that mean when you eat the bread?
[2:34] You're going to heaven.
[2:36] No, it's just like, so you have to be baptized to have the bread, from my understanding.
[2:41] And so when you go up to the priest, the priest will do like a, you know, a Father's blessing and then they'll give you the bread you eat and you stand to the side and you do the blessing again.
[2:49] Anyway, so you get the bread when you do your Holy Communion.
[2:53] Mm-hmm.
[2:53] I think about you three when you do it.
[2:56] But you have to be baptized to then do your communion and then your reconciliation.
[3:02] So the first step is baptism.
[3:04] Baptism.
[3:05] So she wants to do that.
[3:06] And she said, also, I want to get married at St. Patrick's Cathedral where Effie got married and you have to be a Catholic.
[3:16] So there is a white dress story behind it.
[3:19] Yeah.
[3:19] She goes, where Effie got married?
[3:21] Oh, it was so beautiful.
[3:22] I saw the photo.
[3:23] Because they went there for a school excursion, didn't they?
[3:26] Did they?
[3:26] Or they did or they are going to.
[3:28] They're going to.
[3:29] Because I remember seeing something in the 10,000 emails I get from school and I know something about St. Paul.
[3:33] St. Patrick's Cathedral, yeah.
[3:34] It is stunning.
[3:35] It is stunning.
[3:36] Yeah.
[3:36] I love it.
[3:37] I'm always mesmerised when I go in those buildings and look at them and go, how was this built so long ago and it is so perfect and we build new houses today that leak and fall apart and are pieces of shit.
[3:47] I know.
[3:47] I know.
[3:48] We need to build like back in the day.
[3:49] They didn't have AI, computers, cranes, like any power, electricity, modern day tools.
[3:55] They just...
[3:56] use their brain and they're brought and got it done.
[3:59] Yeah, exactly.
[4:00] So yeah, no, so Scott wants to get married there and she's like, you have to be a Catholic.
[4:04] So then we're down this whole rabbit hole.
[4:05] I'm like, well, no, I think one of you have to be Catholic and then the other one can't be another religion and then you have to go and see the priest and then you got to get permission from the bishop and there's this whole thing.
[4:17] She's sitting there going like, mum, how do you know all this?
[4:20] And I'm like, because I'm a Catholic.
[4:22] I know a lot of people.
[4:25] And then... Did she believe you?
[4:26] Yeah, she believed me.
[4:27] Well, because I was right.
[4:28] Yeah.
[4:29] I'm always right.
[4:30] I know, but you don't act like a good Catholic girl.
[4:32] No, no, no.
[4:32] If I walked into a church, I'd probably fall down now.
[4:34] The church would just spontaneously explode.
[4:38] Explode, explode.
[4:39] And then she starts going on about the Bible.
[4:42] Yeah.
[4:42] And she's like, oh, I really like religion.
[4:44] And I go, why?
[4:45] She's like, it's like history.
[4:46] I'm like, yeah, it's the best.
[4:48] I loved it.
[4:49] And she goes, so who's this Mary girl?
[4:55] So I had to go into the whole like, okay, so Mary is… A virgin.
[4:59] Yeah, yeah.
[5:00] Mary is Jesus' mum and Joseph is the stepdad and then God's the thing.
[5:05] And then she's like, oh, hang on.
[5:07] So did she cheat on Joseph?
[5:09] Yeah.
[5:10] And I'm like, no, it's immaculate conception.
[5:11] And she's like, what's that mean?
[5:13] I'm like, oh, she got pregnant, like, not by doing the deed.
[5:17] So who impregnated Mary?
[5:18] God.
[5:19] God.
[5:19] Yeah.
[5:20] Well, no, no, because it's immaculate conception.
[5:22] God chose her and then she's all of a sudden got pregnant.
[5:24] With child.
[5:25] Yeah, with child.
[5:26] And then Scott's like...
[5:28] What?
[5:28] So you can get pregnant without having sex?
[5:31] Oh, God.
[5:33] Oh, God.
[5:33] Do you want the modern story or you want the...
[5:37] It is confusing that though when children learn about it, when we're trying to be honest with them and teach them about actual conception and then we've got this big story based on Jesus coming from this.
[5:50] Oh, gosh.
[5:51] It makes it tricky, right?
[5:53] I know.
[5:53] I know.
[5:53] Like, do I start talking about the stalk?
[5:56] Am I going backwards now?
[5:58] Like we just got out of that era and I'm like, she knows about the birds and the bees.
[6:01] But it was just so funny just for her.
[6:03] Her back in her brain going, so can you still get pregnant without having sex?
[6:08] Just let the Virgin Mary.
[6:09] And I'm sitting there going like, oh God, how can I tell her?
[6:13] Oh, I told her a story, but I won't say it.
[6:16] I love it.
[6:17] Yeah, interesting.
[6:18] The girls have been at a Catholic school for a month and she's already into it.
[6:23] It's good.
[6:23] It's really good.
[6:24] I actually really loved going to Catholic school.
[6:26] I felt like I learned a lot of morals, the Ten Commandments.
[6:31] Yeah.
[6:31] I think if everyone just lived by those in life as general, no matter what religion you follow, the Ten Commandments are pretty much the guide for being a decent, good human.
[6:41] Yeah.
[6:41] and you live like that and you'll go to heaven.
[6:43] No matter what kind of heaven is based on your religion, I think we'll go to a good place.
[6:47] And my husband always says, oh, I think heaven's like a metaphor for having like heaven is earth right now.
[6:54] You have a good time on earth.
[6:57] You know how that song, you know, what's that?
[6:59] Yeah.
[7:00] Oh, heaven is a place called Earth.
[7:02] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[7:03] They say in heaven, love comes first.
[7:06] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[7:07] He's like, it's more heaven is on Earth and you make it heaven by being a good person.
[7:10] Yes, and if you're a good person, good things happen to you.
[7:13] 100% I believe that.
[7:14] The older I get, the more religious I become.
[7:16] I don't subscribe to like Catholicism.
[7:17] I think I subscribe to good Christian values.
[7:21] But the more, yeah, the more I age and the things I've seen.
[7:25] Yes, exactly.
[7:27] And words that have come through from the other side.
[7:29] I 100% believe there is an afterlife.
[7:33] There definitely is.
[7:34] Yeah, because I've seen some shit.
[7:35] Oh, you're bad.
[7:36] You and your Ouija boards.
[7:38] She's spoken to us.
[7:39] Yeah.
[7:39] I mean, bad things happen to good people.
[7:41] We see that.
[7:42] Yeah, me too.
[7:44] But I think it's a general rule.
[7:45] You do good, you receive good.
[7:46] You do bad, shit things happen.
[7:48] Instant karma.
[7:49] Yeah.
[7:49] as well.
[7:50] Like, the instant karma with the kids is the best.
[7:52] It's the best.
[7:53] When they're being a shit and then something bad happens to them automatically, but see, that was God.
[7:58] Karma's a bitch.
[7:58] Yeah, God is karma.
[8:00] Yeah.
[8:00] And you just got, like, they're always watching.
[8:02] Always watching.
[8:03] You're not going to get away with it.
[8:05] No, but I do, like, I do believe that, like, I,
[8:07] I love the fact being Catholic is just learning good morals, being a good person.
[8:11] I learned how to do my please and thank yous.
[8:13] I was so strict on that.
[8:14] Yeah, how not to fuck your neighbor.
[8:16] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yes.
[8:17] They shall not steal.
[8:18] They don't fuck neighbor.
[8:29] Today's conversation includes discussion of postnatal depression.
[8:32] If this brings up difficult feelings for you, support is available.
[8:36] In Australia, Panda Perinatal Anxiety and Depression Australia offers specialist support on 1300 726 306.
[8:45] You can also contact Lifeline anytime on 13 11 14 for 24-hour crisis support.
[8:53] You don't have to manage this on your own and help is available whenever you're ready.
[9:00] Oh, we got a good one today.
[9:01] Oh, we do.
[9:02] One of the girlfriends.
[9:03] And she was one of the OGs on our list when we were creating Vanish.
[9:08] We're like, oh, we've got to get her on.
[9:10] Yeah.
[9:10] It is.
[9:11] Because she's fun.
[9:11] Effie Cats.
[9:13] It's Effie Cats.
[9:15] Our gorgeous girlfriend, she is the designer and started Effie Cats, which was suits back in the day.
[9:22] It was studded suits.
[9:24] Now it's gowns.
[9:25] Gowns.
[9:25] And they're really good.
[9:27] For a gown, they are both aspirational and within a price range that you kind of go, oh, for that, that price, I feel like it's a good price.
[9:39] Yeah.
[9:39] And for that reason, she is open to a very big demographic.
[9:45] She is.
[9:45] Yeah.
[9:45] And you know what?
[9:46] All her stuff that she creates is timeless.
[9:49] Yeah.
[9:49] So it's something that I know I've got a few black dresses of hers and I've worn them again and again and again and no one's actually noticed it's been the same black dress.
[9:57] Yeah.
[9:57] It's because of how you style it makes it look different.
[9:59] How you style it, yeah.
[10:00] It's very classic.
[10:01] I've worn a lot of Effie Katz dresses as well.
[10:03] She does a really beautiful Fire Engine Red.
[10:04] Wow.
[10:05] Yes.
[10:05] And yeah, I've got a black.
[10:07] I wore a beautiful brown kind of truffle colour to her flagship store opening, which is on High Street in Armidale, which is in Melbourne.
[10:15] She also owns Base Brand, which is that more casual online wholesale focus kind of fashion label.
[10:21] Yeah, it's an e-com brand and they do really cool, like, I'd say like stretchy top, stretchy.
[10:26] Basics.
[10:27] Basics, cool skirts, great denim as well.
[10:30] I'm wearing her denim jeans today, actually.
[10:32] You are.
[10:33] You are.
[10:33] My go-to.
[10:35] quite affordable.
[10:36] I would say that's affordable.
[10:37] Yeah.
[10:38] What am I trying to say about the dresses?
[10:39] They're not affordable, but they're not expensive for how beautiful they are.
[10:43] I think when you think of a gown, you think that you're spending about $900,000 plus.
[10:46] Plus, plus, $1,500, $2,000.
[10:49] Yeah.
[10:50] And then like- Or like even other Australian designers, beautiful, like great.
[10:54] They're in the mid twos, $2,000.
[10:56] Yeah, exactly.
[10:57] So she's got, yeah, a really good
[10:58] price point for something that is just so expensive.
[11:02] Usually.
[11:02] Usually.
[11:03] And you know, and the thing is, you don't want to really spend that much money because you wear it once.
[11:07] But like I was saying with Effie's, like I've worn one black dress or two other black dresses time and time again because it's timeless.
[11:14] Yeah, and she makes, I don't know, it just hugs in the right places.
[11:17] Yeah, it's so good.
[11:18] It's snatched.
[11:18] It's so good.
[11:19] Snatched, it's so good.
[11:20] So what we love about Effie as well, she's so fun.
[11:22] She's so passionate.
[11:24] She's a passionate Greek.
[11:25] She is.
[11:26] She talks with her hands.
[11:28] Yeah.
[11:28] And I've got videos of her because we've traveled around the world together.
[11:31] We've gone to a lot of countries together.
[11:33] And when we're out having a dance, it's so funny.
[11:35] You just see Effie and she just clapping.
[11:37] She just claps, you know, like the floor.
[11:39] Like, you know, the clap that goes up and the clap that goes down.
[11:41] She gets low to the ground and then the head shakes.
[11:44] Yeah.
[11:44] And she just bloody says it how it is.
[11:46] She does.
[11:47] She does.
[11:47] And I think she's just always wants everyone to be, you know, happy and successful.
[11:52] And she's just... She's a girl's girl.
[11:54] Yep.
[11:54] Yep.
[11:54] And she's a vibe.
[11:55] So we've got her on to talk about babies as a new mother, her brand, how she does it all.
[12:01] And her look.
[12:02] And her look.
[12:03] Yeah.
[12:03] Because it's always put together.
[12:05] Yeah.
[12:05] Especially after a four-month-old.
[12:06] Exactly.
[12:07] I do not look like that.
[12:09] None of us do.
[12:09] And guess what?
[12:10] She certainly didn't wake up like that.
[12:12] No, she didn't.
[12:13] And she's going to unpack it all today.
[12:15] So welcome to the show, Effie Katz.
[12:17] Effie Katz is in the house.
[12:19] She's here.
[12:21] She walks in.
[12:22] She goes, oh my gosh, she walks in.
[12:23] She's been gas bagging with our producer, Liza, outside.
[12:27] They walk in giggling.
[12:28] We're like, what's up?
[12:28] She's like, I was just asked the most vainish question.
[12:31] Hit us with it.
[12:32] Yeah.
[12:32] What was it?
[12:33] What was it?
[12:34] Well, she just showed me the angle of the cameras.
[12:38] And I was like, that's my bad side.
[12:40] Do you reckon Jess will swap with me?
[12:44] I can swap?
[12:45] Well, she said no, that this is your good side.
[12:48] You've got your good side.
[12:49] No, she's good.
[12:50] She's good on both sides.
[12:50] No, I'm actually good on both.
[12:51] But then my right side is my good side.
[12:53] But the thing is, I'm always facing like this anyway.
[12:57] So you never see me on the camera.
[12:58] Is that the camera?
[13:00] I love it.
[13:01] Yeah, we can swap.
[13:01] I love it.
[13:02] Do you know what?
[13:02] Just swap.
[13:03] Let's do it.
[13:04] Let's do this.
[13:05] Oh, my drum roll.
[13:06] We are the first ever camera side swapper.
[13:10] Yes, we do.
[13:11] Guest in studio.
[13:13] Miss EpiCat.
[13:14] Miss EpiCat.
[13:15] I feel privileged.
[13:16] I love this.
[13:17] I'm glad you're asking me and not Bec to tell you to get fucked.
[13:19] Yeah, because this is my camera.
[13:21] It's the left side.
[13:22] I don't have this idea.
[13:24] You know what?
[13:25] Even Lana didn't ask to swap sides.
[13:29] I know.
[13:30] I love it.
[13:30] So your good side's your right side?
[13:32] Yeah.
[13:32] Yes, it is.
[13:33] Oh, that's rare.
[13:34] That's rare.
[13:35] I was talking to a plastic surgeon about this and he said most people's good side is their left side.
[13:43] Oh.
[13:44] Yeah.
[13:44] So my right's my good side.
[13:46] Yeah.
[13:46] But no, this side doesn't exist.
[13:48] This side doesn't exist.
[13:49] No, it just doesn't exist.
[13:51] Yeah, I don't know.
[13:52] But then I had filler put into that hole on my face as this crevice.
[13:57] That no one noticed except for you.
[13:58] For me.
[13:59] And I had that done and then I was like, oh, maybe my left side's now good again.
[14:03] I know.
[14:04] I don't know.
[14:05] I don't know.
[14:05] It's all different.
[14:06] Well, we'll find out today.
[14:07] We'll find out today.
[14:07] This might be my new seat going forward.
[14:11] After I've had all my anti-wrinkle, my fillers, my biostimulators, my fat transfer around my eyes and my upper bleph and my lower bleph, I still look at my right side and go, still fucking hate it.
[14:23] What do you reckon is bone structure or do you reckon it's like more fat in one side than the other?
[14:28] I just need to shut up.
[14:31] Not one person would say that but Beck.
[14:33] No, no, no.
[14:34] I see it.
[14:34] I see it.
[14:35] I see it because she puts it out.
[14:37] Thanks, Jess.
[14:38] No, no, no.
[14:38] I do not.
[14:39] I didn't say it.
[14:40] Even when I talk to you, I always angle to my left.
[14:43] Yeah.
[14:44] Do you always do that?
[14:45] You always, every time you sit down at a table or you're talking to people, I always stand on the side.
[14:51] It's like a subconscious thing that preferences my good side.
[14:55] Even business meetings, even like when I'm buying something at a shop, I'll always twist my body.
[15:00] Yeah, always.
[15:01] Yeah, I do.
[15:02] I do, actually.
[15:03] I talk to people like...
[15:03] It's subconscious.
[15:04] Subconscious vanity.
[15:06] That's when you're really, really vain is when you do shit like that and you don't even notice it.
[15:09] I like to think that was my...
[15:11] I probably am doing it, but maybe it's my scoliosis.
[15:13] I don't know.
[15:13] It's making me bent all these different sides.
[15:15] You should see her spine.
[15:16] She is so bent.
[15:17] too.
[15:17] So maybe it's a scoliosis thing.
[15:19] We're side questing.
[15:20] We're side questing.
[15:21] We're side questing.
[15:22] But we do have Effie Cats in the studio.
[15:24] We do.
[15:25] What a powerhouse.
[15:26] So she's launched her Effie Cats flagship store on High Street in Armadale.
[15:32] Yes.
[15:33] At the same time as having a newborn baby at home, just a few months old, and just taking over the world, looking insane.
[15:42] And renovating.
[15:43] Renovating.
[15:44] House.
[15:45] Renovating house.
[15:46] Oh, wow.
[15:46] You're a sucker for punishment.
[15:47] Yes, base brand.
[15:48] You've got base brand as well.
[15:50] Doing my Instagram job.
[15:52] Yes.
[15:53] Influencing.
[15:53] How is my husband still with me?
[15:55] I don't know.
[15:55] Oh, my God.
[15:56] I don't know how you're doing it.
[15:57] I don't know how I'm doing it either because my baby is waking up three times a night.
[16:02] Stop.
[16:03] At the moment.
[16:04] And I'm such a sleeper.
[16:05] Yeah.
[16:06] So I need like eight solid hours sleep.
[16:08] Otherwise, I am feral.
[16:10] So I'm pretty much just feral 24-7.
[16:12] That's how I'm getting through it all.
[16:13] But you're not.
[16:14] You're not feral.
[16:15] You're not feral for us.
[16:16] Maybe you're feral when you get home.
[16:17] James says that.
[16:18] He's like, your friends get the best side of you.
[16:21] Oh, my gosh.
[16:21] And I get the worst.
[16:23] Yeah.
[16:23] Do you know what?
[16:23] That's normal husband speak.
[16:24] My husband says that to me all the time.
[16:26] Yeah, yeah.
[16:26] Yeah, I know.
[16:27] You're good for everyone else.
[16:28] Then you come home.
[16:29] It's like, yeah, everyone does that.
[16:31] Home is the safe space.
[16:32] Chris, that's right.
[16:33] You're like your kids.
[16:33] They're perfect when they go to a party or a sleepover at school.
[16:36] Then they come home.
[16:37] The minute they get in the car to come home, they explode.
[16:41] And you know what?
[16:41] I'm sorry.
[16:42] James, Val, and...
[16:44] Chris, they have an ugly side when they get home as well.
[16:46] They do.
[16:47] And they put it on for the world.
[16:49] Oh, yes, they do.
[16:50] They all do.
[16:50] They all do.
[16:51] It's just nature.
[16:52] It's just what we do.
[16:53] We're humans.
[16:54] Home is where we can all be assholes.
[16:56] Yes.
[16:56] Exactly.
[16:58] In the best possible way.
[16:59] And you know what?
[17:00] We're all assholes and they're assholes and we're all married still, so it's working.
[17:03] Exactly.
[17:05] It's working.
[17:06] How has life changed since having a baby?
[17:09] Little baby Rosa.
[17:10] Yeah, how old is she now?
[17:12] She's four months.
[17:13] By the way, she just looks like James.
[17:15] She does.
[17:15] Rosa is James.
[17:17] Is she my kid?
[17:18] She's so blonde.
[17:19] Like, was there an accident at the hospital?
[17:21] Yeah, I don't understand.
[17:22] I don't know.
[17:23] I don't get it.
[17:23] It's just James.
[17:25] Yeah, it's changed a lot.
[17:26] It's hard juggling, obviously, multiple businesses and,
[17:31] and having a baby.
[17:32] I think the hardest thing for me has been the mornings because James goes off to work and...
[17:39] She does her 7 a.m. feed.
[17:40] Either he does it or if he's got to go, I do it.
[17:44] And then I've found now having a baby that setting boundaries is really important.
[17:51] So 7 till 9 is my time with her.
[17:55] Whether she has a nap, which we've heard.
[17:59] That's the best.
[18:00] And we're napping together.
[18:01] Yeah.
[18:02] Or we're playing together.
[18:03] That's my time with her.
[18:04] That's how I start my day.
[18:06] And then my sister, God bless her, she runs her brow and facial business out of my mom's house.
[18:13] Give her a shout out.
[18:14] I will.
[18:15] Ruby Cats, everyone.
[18:16] Best brows.
[18:18] And she's just getting into facials now.
[18:19] I had one yesterday because I wanted some fresh for you guys.
[18:24] And so at nine, she takes her off my hands.
[18:26] Yeah.
[18:27] And now I am like…
[18:29] constantly on the go.
[18:30] Yeah.
[18:30] High cortisol.
[18:31] Like I'm running on fight or flight all the time.
[18:33] And now with no sleep, it's like even worse.
[18:35] Yeah, yeah.
[18:36] So I've had to take extra steps now to sort of lower and be calmer because I want her to be in a really calm environment.
[18:47] Don't want her to be crazy like me.
[18:49] You're not crazy, baby.
[18:51] You're just fun.
[18:53] Fun.
[18:53] Yeah, we'll go with that.
[18:54] We'll go with fun.
[18:54] Fun.
[18:55] So I pass it to my sister.
[18:58] Yeah.
[18:59] And then I start my day with a hydrogen tablet in my water.
[19:03] I don't know if you guys have tried.
[19:05] I do.
[19:06] Yeah.
[19:06] I used to.
[19:07] One's usually aspirin.
[19:08] Have you ever put one in your bath?
[19:09] No.
[19:10] Oh, what?
[19:11] Should I?
[19:12] Well, you can do, you can add the hydrogen tablets to your bath, right?
[19:16] So I throw five in there.
[19:17] But what happens is that when it dissolves, hydrogen creates heat, right?
[19:23] So if you put them in and then you accidentally sit on one, it literally burns your butt or your...
[19:28] fanny or your balls or whatever like yeah yeah yeah and i'm like don't sit on these your balls will be on fire literally they burn it's actually quite amazing i'm gonna sit on that now because she said well that's what they did right that's what they did like how long can we let this touch our skin before we scream so that's what it does like have a feel of it you just have to be careful when they're like is it
[19:53] Yeah, dissolving.
[19:54] So once it dissolves, there's extra hydrogen in the water.
[19:56] Okay.
[19:56] But you can drink it as well.
[19:57] So I drink it.
[19:58] I chuck it in the bath.
[20:00] I drink it.
[20:01] This is your story, not mine.
[20:04] So you do a hydrogen tablet water?
[20:06] I do.
[20:07] I do.
[20:07] I do.
[20:08] And what I've also found is not eating carbs in the morning.
[20:13] Also, I don't get that spike a few hours later.
[20:16] So I'll just have scrambled eggs with lots of butter.
[20:19] So I've got my protein and fat.
[20:21] Yeah, I do the same.
[20:22] Same.
[20:23] And then I will try to get some sun.
[20:27] But, you know, it's Melbourne and that's rare.
[20:30] And then by that time…
[20:33] Ruby will be starting at 10 a.m.
[20:35] So I've become really, really good.
[20:38] In that one hour.
[20:39] In that, at bouncing a baby born with one leg while I do my makeup.
[20:46] Yeah, yeah.
[20:47] And then I get her in the car and I take her to my 90-year-old grandma who takes care of her.
[20:53] She won't have anyone else look after her But do you know what?
[20:57] It will keep her young It does?
[20:58] It does Before that she had every health problem under the sun And now she doesn't And now they've all miraculously disappeared Isn't that so funny?
[21:06] What's her name?
[21:06] Give her a shout out Chrysoula
[21:08] What is it?
[21:09] Chrysola.
[21:09] Chrysola.
[21:10] But you call her Ya Ya.
[21:11] Ya Ya.
[21:11] Ya Ya.
[21:12] So, you know, I sat with her the other night.
[21:14] Oh, my God.
[21:15] She was sitting down just looking and smiling.
[21:17] Smiling.
[21:17] And I'm like, she's so cool.
[21:20] So we sat down and I was trying to have a conversation with her, but Steph was on the decks and the music was so loud.
[21:25] You couldn't hear.
[21:26] We were trying to talk to each other and we literally could not understand anything that each other was saying.
[21:32] And we just looked and laughed and smiled.
[21:33] I'm like, this isn't working, Ya Ya.
[21:35] I'm sorry, but she would have loved it.
[21:37] Congratulations.
[21:38] It's everything.
[21:39] I thought I was going to be all chatty catty with Yaya.
[21:42] It didn't come off.
[21:43] It didn't come off.
[21:43] Yeah, tunes.
[21:44] Oh, my God.
[21:44] She was just there like the queen.
[21:46] Yeah, the queen on her throat.
[21:48] Yeah.
[21:48] I love it.
[21:49] Right at the front of the party.
[21:51] Yeah, just watching everyone.
[21:52] So good.
[21:53] So she helps.
[21:53] She helps.
[21:54] That's so good.
[21:55] She helps.
[21:56] She's like Rosa's security guard.
[21:58] Yeah.
[21:58] Like she will not have anyone else look after her.
[22:01] Like my dad will want to take her and she's like, no one knows how to take care of her like I do.
[22:06] Yeah, yeah.
[22:07] And I'm like, oh, okay, yeah.
[22:09] Like I'll go over and she won't hand her back to me.
[22:11] I'm like, can I have my baby back?
[22:13] Oh my God.
[22:14] I honestly would be keeping us so young.
[22:15] It is.
[22:16] And mentally, it's like, I was watching that Zac Efron documentary.
[22:19] I forgot what it was called.
[22:20] He was going around the world finding the Blue Zones.
[22:22] And what was the pattern?
[22:24] Blue Zones is like where people live the longest.
[22:26] So there's a place in Italy and there's a place in Japan.
[22:30] And they worked out that they had stairs in their houses.
[22:33] Oh.
[22:34] They loved gardening, but they also drank a glass of red wine a day.
[22:37] Oh.
[22:37] Olive oil.
[22:38] Olive oil.
[22:38] Olive oil.
[22:39] Yeah.
[22:39] And then they had the main one that all the Blue Zones had was grandparents looking after their family.
[22:46] There you go.
[22:46] Their family community.
[22:48] Yeah.
[22:48] And not being put into a home.
[22:50] Yeah.
[22:50] But having the family come over and eat with them every night.
[22:53] And it keeps you young.
[22:54] It does.
[22:55] Keeps you on men's playing games.
[22:56] It takes a village, they say.
[22:57] It does.
[22:57] It really does.
[22:58] Especially when you're running like 12,000 businesses.
[23:00] I know.
[23:00] So we're living with my mum at the moment while my house is being renovated.
[23:04] Mm-hmm.
[23:05] And it has been a game changer.
[23:08] I'm like, okay, I'm not leaving until she's five and she knows how to wipe her own bum.
[23:12] Yeah.
[23:12] Yep.
[23:12] Yep.
[23:13] Totally.
[23:14] I get that.
[23:14] And next one, I'll see you in about three years' time.
[23:17] Yeah.
[23:18] Right.
[23:18] So, Mum, I'm living here for eight years.
[23:20] Yeah.
[23:20] It is actually...
[23:21] I think when you think back to human evolution, like we are meant to raise our babies as a tribe.
[23:29] Yes.
[23:29] And we're all meant to help.
[23:31] And then right now in modern society, we all feel like we have to do it ourselves.
[23:35] And you're kind of shamed as a mum if you get help, if you get a night nanny, if you get an okay, if your family help.
[23:41] And you've almost got to keep up this kind of,
[23:44] falsehood like no no I do it on myself and I do this and like you kind of want to be the best boss but then the best mum and you have to lie to each position yeah and I think touching on that there is a lot of mum shaming that I have found yeah my thing is you know I think a happy mum
[24:04] is what every child wants.
[24:06] Yeah.
[24:07] And whatever that is for you, right?
[24:09] I get it.
[24:09] And that looks different for every mum.
[24:11] It does.
[24:12] Yeah.
[24:12] And it's okay.
[24:14] I'm with you, babe.
[24:15] There's nothing like having your first child that challenges your identity completely.
[24:21] And until you go through it, it absolutely floored me having Oscar.
[24:27] I would often just walk around the house going, who am I now?
[24:32] What am I?
[24:33] What do I stand for?
[24:34] I don't know who that's mine.
[24:36] What am I meant to do?
[24:37] What am I going to do with my life now?
[24:39] Yeah.
[24:39] And is the old Beck still there or am I not allowed to be her anymore?
[24:42] Like it is so confusing.
[24:44] How did you find that?
[24:45] I'm still in the midst of it, to be honest, because I've always been on the go and I've always been able to just get up, you know, travel the world or go out, go out for dinners, do whatever I want to do.
[24:56] You could be selfish.
[24:56] If I have to work late, yes.
[24:58] Yeah.
[24:58] If I have to work late, I could do.
[25:00] Now everything's to a schedule.
[25:02] And it is about her, but it's also fitting her into our lifestyles because James and I run both businesses.
[25:08] But I think for me at the moment, trying to find that balance of like who I was versus who I'm becoming.
[25:16] And it hasn't been the easiest transition.
[25:19] Like I've had moments where I'm like…
[25:21] What have I done?
[25:22] Yeah, yeah.
[25:23] We all have those moments.
[25:24] How am I going to do this?
[25:26] And I love her to death, but I'm like...
[25:28] This is hard.
[25:29] Yeah.
[25:29] It's hard.
[25:29] It's hard being loved.
[25:30] I don't know how to do this, I don't think.
[25:32] Yeah.
[25:32] Do we?
[25:32] I don't know.
[25:33] You do.
[25:34] You just find your way, right?
[25:36] You just find your way.
[25:37] I was the same as you, and I think you were too, Jess.
[25:38] Like, when Oscar came, I actually, like, love, love, love, love him.
[25:43] But I thought, can I just put you back...
[25:45] in my tummy for a few more months because I'm not ready for this and I actually am not enjoying this.
[25:50] I don't like it.
[25:51] Yeah.
[25:52] I love you but I don't like this situation.
[25:53] But I don't like these.
[25:55] Yeah, yeah.
[25:56] I actually found, so when I first had her, I did have postnatal.
[26:01] So I would get anxiety just being alone with her because when she would cry, I was super hormonal.
[26:06] Yeah.
[26:07] And I would get really stressed out.
[26:09] So I felt like I always needed like a support person there.
[26:12] And the thing is, babies at that age, they can't communicate.
[26:15] So all they do is feel is energy.
[26:16] And I would just break my heart.
[26:17] So if you're stressed, the baby's stressed.
[26:19] I want to help her.
[26:20] Why is she crying?
[26:21] Does she want food?
[26:22] What is it like?
[26:23] What do I do?
[26:24] So that was also really, really challenging for me.
[26:29] And I went through this stage where…
[26:33] My anxiety, I think just from my hormones, got so bad that I couldn't even have guests over.
[26:39] Like just having like my stepdad's parents over.
[26:42] I would go upstairs and I'd be crying in my room.
[26:45] Like the thought of sitting here with you guys doing this podcast a few months ago, there is absolutely no way.
[26:52] And these are the things that people don't see.
[26:54] They think we're living these glamorous lives and everything's perfect and we've got all our shit together.
[26:58] We're not.
[26:59] But I was huddled in a corner.
[27:00] Yeah.
[27:00] Crying because my stepdad's grandparents were our grandparents.
[27:03] You know?
[27:04] It's like fucking crazy a hormone.
[27:06] Oh, my God.
[27:07] I remember it as if someone would knock on the door and I'd just go upstairs and I would not want to come down.
[27:10] I didn't want to talk to anyone.
[27:12] And I'm like, can they just leave?
[27:13] I'm doing that now.
[27:14] Even my best friends would text me.
[27:15] I didn't do it then.
[27:17] And say, hey, we're living in Parana Crossroad from the Parana Market.
[27:20] Yeah.
[27:20] Yeah.
[27:21] Hey, babe.
[27:22] Like, they'd be over from overseas.
[27:23] Like, my best friends come back from Singapore.
[27:26] Yeah.
[27:26] Let's meet at the prayer market for a coffee.
[27:28] Can't do it.
[27:28] And I'm like, I cannot.
[27:30] I cannot leave the house.
[27:32] And my home, my home, like, whoa.
[27:34] Whoa.
[27:35] Yeah.
[27:35] Like, even phone calls from my best friends.
[27:38] My phone would be ringing and I'd be like, I can't even take this call.
[27:41] Like, there's no part of me that can participate in this conversation.
[27:44] Yeah.
[27:45] I just am so.
[27:46] Yeah.
[27:46] When did you start coming out of it?
[27:49] Um, probably still in it.
[27:52] No, it's getting better.
[27:54] You know, I went and saw a doctor.
[27:55] I got the right help.
[27:56] Yeah.
[27:57] And I think since then.
[27:59] How good is that you recognized it so soon?
[28:01] Because a lot of women don't.
[28:02] Yeah.
[28:02] And I think it's because you couldn't really stop your life.
[28:06] Like you still had businesses to run.
[28:07] No.
[28:07] And you're like, I can't cope.
[28:08] I can't cope.
[28:09] A lot of women go, oh, it's just the baby blues.
[28:11] I'm just hormonal.
[28:12] I'll get through it.
[28:13] And they don't really see.
[28:15] It's starting to be more than just baby blues.
[28:17] Yeah, yeah.
[28:18] Yeah.
[28:18] I had pretty severe postnatal depression.
[28:20] Yeah.
[28:20] Yeah.
[28:21] Very bad.
[28:22] How long were you?
[28:23] 10, 11 months.
[28:24] Nearly called off our wedding.
[28:26] I've heard this story.
[28:27] Yeah.
[28:28] I've heard this story.
[28:28] Yeah.
[28:29] It was like, I was like, you can't.
[28:30] You're too sick.
[28:32] And I got there because I was like, I am not letting anyone down.
[28:35] You feel like you're never going to get out of it though, right?
[28:37] And I think for us as well, like when I was going through personal depression and we were about to call off the wedding,
[28:44] I was like, I just need you to be better for this wedding.
[28:46] I thought because everyone thought that I was not going to be able to be a mum.
[28:49] Yeah.
[28:50] Because I was so young.
[28:51] And the relationship was never going to last.
[28:53] I was like, it made me more forced to get down that fucking aisle.
[28:56] I'm doing this.
[28:57] I'm proving everybody wrong.
[28:59] That's so Jess.
[28:59] It's so me, Jess.
[29:01] She'll try and get out of it leading up to.
[29:03] She'll be like, I don't want to do this.
[29:04] I can't do this.
[29:05] But then she's never, ever, ever going to quit because she's always got a point to breathe.
[29:09] You should try and do a Pilates class with her.
[29:11] She'll hold the pose longer than everyone else who's quitting just so she can be the winner.
[29:15] Be the winner.
[29:16] I'm so bad.
[29:16] I don't care about it.
[29:17] I don't want to be the winner of Pilates.
[29:19] I'm like a bad time.
[29:20] She's with everything.
[29:21] Everything.
[29:22] Mum, it's what stops you from ever quitting.
[29:25] Like you always follow through on everything.
[29:28] Everything.
[29:29] I know, it's bad.
[29:30] No, it's good.
[29:30] It's actually good.
[29:31] It's the best.
[29:32] You're a great mum and you're a great wife.
[29:34] Are you still married, babe?
[29:35] I'm still married.
[29:35] You know what?
[29:36] You will never get divorced because then everyone will say, I knew they'd get divorced.
[29:38] Yeah, yeah.
[29:39] We got married too young.
[29:40] They had a baby so quickly.
[29:41] So you're going to be like, no, fuck it.
[29:43] I'm going to be married until I'm 90 years old.
[29:44] Val, you stuck with me.
[29:45] Yeah, I literally say that to Val.
[29:47] Val's like, Jess, this is just not working.
[29:48] I'm like, guess what?
[29:49] It is.
[29:50] It's going to work.
[29:51] Well, you know what?
[29:52] Val's older, babe.
[29:53] So, you know,
[29:58] Sorry, Val.
[29:59] We love you, Val.
[30:00] We do love Val.
[30:00] No, we love Val.
[30:01] We know Val's our number one listener.
[30:02] He's our number one listener.
[30:04] And he's our number one dentist.
[30:06] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[30:06] BC Dental.
[30:07] Give him a shout out.
[30:08] No, I need to go.
[30:09] I keep getting texts and I'm like, oh, my God, I'm so overdue.
[30:12] Oh, so am I. I get texts and I'm like, Jess, you've got a hole.
[30:14] You had a watch on this too.
[30:16] It's probably a hole now.
[30:17] I've probably got multiple holes.
[30:18] Yeah, I know.
[30:18] I'm like, I don't want to go there and get yelled at by him.
[30:21] No, but I literally like, he says to me, he's like, God, you're hard work because everything is so competitive,
[30:27] I'll look at him like doing the dishes or like stacking him away and look at him like You're doing it wrong And he goes, I know you're thinking I'm doing this wrong I'm like I'm not going to say anything I love you He's good, he's the best At least he's doing the dishes Oh yeah, he's doing the dishes
[30:54] Now, Effie, you're gorgeous.
[30:55] You are gorgeous.
[30:57] Yes.
[30:58] And like the hair, the makeup, the skin, like every time I see you, you're so well put together.
[31:02] I've never seen you in a trackie with a top knot.
[31:06] Oh, you should see me at home.
[31:07] And your boots on.
[31:08] That's all I'm living.
[31:09] I've never seen you like that.
[31:10] Oh, I've seen her one time.
[31:11] She got off the plane from China.
[31:12] Oh.
[31:13] And then you had to get a spray tan.
[31:14] Oh, of course.
[31:15] And then you rocked up.
[31:16] And I was sitting there getting my glam done for Glam on the Gris.
[31:20] Oh, my God.
[31:21] I'd just come back from Hong Kong.
[31:22] Hong Kong, yeah.
[31:23] And I wanted to kill everyone in the room.
[31:24] Yeah, she walks in like spray tan.
[31:26] I'm like, where have you been?
[31:27] She goes, I just got a spray tan.
[31:28] She's like in pyjamas or something.
[31:30] You're in like something baggy.
[31:31] And I was like going...
[31:32] It's the only time I haven't seen you in heels.
[31:33] Yeah, but I was sitting there going like, girl, like you've just got off a plane four hours ago and got a spray tan on the way to makeup.
[31:39] Yeah.
[31:40] I was like, you're a weapon.
[31:41] Weapon.
[31:42] Weapon.
[31:42] So we want to know all about it.
[31:43] Like what's your beauty and wellness look like day to day?
[31:48] We're thinking skincare, hair, makeup, no gatekeeping, babe.
[31:51] Spray tans.
[31:52] Because you are a glam chickie and there's…
[31:55] Well, I think it's pretty obvious.
[31:56] I've got some anti-wrinkle injections in my forehead.
[31:59] Is it obvious?
[32:00] It looks very natural.
[32:01] I have been having them since I was 25.
[32:04] My dad genetically has really deep wrinkles in his forehead and I started to get a sliver and I was like, absolutely not.
[32:15] Absolutely not.
[32:17] So that's why I just haven't had, you know, I haven't allowed a wrinkle to set in.
[32:22] I'm the same, babe.
[32:23] As soon as it wears off and the movement comes back, I'm the same as you.
[32:25] We were 21.
[32:26] That was the hardest thing about pregnancy for me.
[32:28] Oh, yeah, because you can't get.
[32:29] It was awful.
[32:30] I know.
[32:30] You can't get anti-wrinkles.
[32:31] You can't get anything.
[32:32] Oh, actually, you can get not injectables.
[32:35] Yeah, you can get like some.
[32:36] Laser genesis.
[32:37] Yeah, that's about it.
[32:38] And a facial.
[32:38] And a facial.
[32:39] Yeah.
[32:40] I know that is hard being pregnant.
[32:41] But I feel like you get puffy anyway, so all the wrinkles smooth out.
[32:45] Yeah.
[32:45] Because you get smaller.
[32:45] Puffy everywhere.
[32:46] And you're like, am I ever going to look like me again?
[32:49] Your lips were amazing.
[32:50] You do.
[32:50] It is amazing.
[32:50] The female body is insane.
[32:52] It is.
[32:53] Insane.
[32:54] Yeah.
[32:54] It is.
[32:55] In fact, can I just say, these are my skinny jeans because they're really small in the waist and they're the first time I've got them back on.
[33:02] So today is a monumental day for me.
[33:05] We are so happy.
[33:07] She's back.
[33:08] Oh, my God.
[33:09] So keep going.
[33:10] Okay.
[33:10] Tell us.
[33:10] Routines.
[33:11] Look.
[33:12] Exercise?
[33:13] I don't exercise at the moment at all.
[33:15] I'm just trying to survive.
[33:18] Exercise can wait.
[33:18] I sometimes will wash my face with cleanser.
[33:24] But mostly I'm using Rose's bum wipes.
[33:28] No way.
[33:29] To wipe my face.
[33:31] And then...
[33:33] Again, luckily for my sister, she's got all that.
[33:36] She uses gemmavigils.
[33:37] She's all very, you know, clean ingredients and all that.
[33:40] So she's given me this ultra-hydrating cream.
[33:44] Okay, yeah.
[33:44] So I use that every night.
[33:46] And you know what?
[33:47] It's worked.
[33:47] That's all I do.
[33:48] So you don't do like your retinols?
[33:50] You don't do your vitamin Cs, your Bs?
[33:52] No.
[33:52] No.
[33:53] No.
[33:53] Do you do lasers?
[33:54] Well, I did a laser the other day with this lady who has like a van things.
[33:59] Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[34:00] Yes, I saw that.
[34:01] Skinject.
[34:01] Skinject with Claire.
[34:02] Yes, with Claire.
[34:03] She was amazing.
[34:04] That was the first time I've done anything like that.
[34:06] I don't do it.
[34:06] You're like me.
[34:07] Is it because we're born in 1990, we just don't do shit?
[34:09] We just don't do shit.
[34:10] I don't know.
[34:11] And girls, because you're in your 30s, you don't need to do any shit.
[34:13] No, I'm not.
[34:14] That's why.
[34:15] Actually, you're young.
[34:15] Shut up.
[34:16] No, no, no, no.
[34:17] Anything with a three in front of it, you can F off.
[34:21] But, Bec, if we're going to be really honest, and this will shock you both, I wasn't born with this face.
[34:29] Babe, guess what?
[34:31] Nor was I. I wasn't born with these boobs.
[34:37] But this is my nose.
[34:38] Well, that's more than I can say.
[34:41] So I've never talked about this.
[34:44] Oh, my God.
[34:44] Should we just go jump straight into my Spanish moment?
[34:47] She's like, I don't want to talk about supplements, exercise, none of that bullshit.
[34:50] I don't do it.
[34:51] Because you don't do it.
[34:52] I take probiotics.
[34:53] Yeah, I don't get thrush.
[34:54] Yeah, yeah.
[34:55] I'm doing that right now.
[34:56] Yeah, yeah.
[34:57] So, no, let's just jump into the thing.
[34:59] I love you.
[35:00] You're like, I skip all the wishy-washy stuff and I go straight to the… Yeah, let's go straight to it.
[35:03] This is why we don't need.
[35:04] That's me.
[35:04] This is going to be me.
[35:05] This is why Jess and I get along so well.
[35:07] We're just like, cut to the core.
[35:09] Yeah.
[35:09] Straight away.
[35:10] Yeah, yeah.
[35:10] All right.
[35:11] All right.
[35:12] So this is Effie Cats.
[35:13] I've never spoken about this before.
[35:15] So what is your most vainish moment?
[35:17] My most vainish moment is when I was in Double Bay having a consecutive nose job and geneoplasty.
[35:28] Ooh, genioplasty.
[35:29] What is that for our listeners?
[35:31] So for your listeners, it is when you get an incision under your chin and then they shave away your bone, your jaw.
[35:42] So this reduces the length, the shape.
[35:46] So how do they shave it?
[35:49] I want to know.
[35:50] Like with a, I'm thinking of like a man in like a tool shed.
[35:54] With like a, or like one of those, the chippers, the chip thing, the wood chip, chisel.
[35:59] And a sander.
[36:00] Do they have like a sanding machine?
[36:01] I don't know.
[36:03] Probably.
[36:04] You're like me.
[36:05] We don't actually want to know the details.
[36:06] Just put me under.
[36:07] Wake me up and tell me when it's over.
[36:10] And let me tell you, when I did wake up, oh my God.
[36:14] Yeah.
[36:15] I have never, and I just gave birth.
[36:17] Like, I ended up having a C-section, but I went through the whole motion.
[36:21] So I've gone through a lot of the pain of labor, right?
[36:24] Right until the end.
[36:25] Yes, that's right.
[36:26] And the genioplasty worse?
[36:27] It was worse.
[36:28] Way worse than labor.
[36:29] Like, I woke up from the surgery and it took my brain a second to register how much pain I was in.
[36:37] Yeah.
[36:38] And it was my body started convulsing because that's how much pain I was.
[36:45] I've never felt anything like it.
[36:48] Bone pain?
[36:48] Or what kind of pain?
[36:50] Fire pain?
[36:51] It was just like, I don't know.
[36:53] I can't even explain.
[36:54] It was excruciating.
[36:56] It was like my face was broken.
[36:57] Wow.
[36:58] Could you eat?
[36:59] That's what they're kind of doing, right?
[37:01] To restore.
[37:02] Yeah.
[37:03] When they shave it, do they have to like, they bandage it obviously, but do they put like bulbs and stuff?
[37:07] I was bandaged.
[37:08] This is vanish.
[37:09] I was bandaged all the way around like those women that have faceless.
[37:13] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yes, yeah, yeah.
[37:15] Did you keep the photos?
[37:16] I've kept the photos.
[37:17] I'll give them to you.
[37:17] I'm happy to put them out there.
[37:19] You know what?
[37:19] You know they're going to end up on the Daily Mail, though.
[37:21] That's fine.
[37:21] I'm here to be me.
[37:22] Really?
[37:23] You know what?
[37:23] You can't use it.
[37:25] If I put it out there, you can't use it against me.
[37:26] I'm owning it.
[37:27] Yeah, you're owning it.
[37:28] And you know what?
[37:29] It's that whole...
[37:30] I think when you talk about things, it's almost like, you know, that media click-to-80 stuff, that gotcha moment.
[37:37] Hey, we got you walking into this clinic.
[37:38] It's like, no, mate.
[37:39] I already did it.
[37:40] I did what I did.
[37:41] Yeah.
[37:42] And I'm fessing up about it and I'm not going to gaslight women and say, I just woke up one day and I look different.
[37:47] No.
[37:48] It costs a lot of money and a lot of pain and this is what we did.
[37:50] Yes.
[37:51] Yeah.
[37:52] And I think for me, my thing was…
[37:57] I would always look in the mirror and those were the two things that would just shit me about my face.
[38:02] Yeah.
[38:03] And to the point where, you know how you said that you'll sort of sit a certain way because of, you know, you prefer that side of your face.
[38:11] I would hate to be under certain light because of my nose.
[38:14] Yeah.
[38:15] I would never talk on camera.
[38:17] I could, I just like...
[38:19] It's insecure.
[38:19] Looking at myself, I just couldn't do it.
[38:21] And, you know, I know some people would be like, you're crazy, you're crazy.
[38:24] But at the end of the day, I think it's how we all feel inside.
[38:27] Yeah.
[38:28] And whatever makes us feel better.
[38:30] And for me...
[38:31] That's what made me feel better and it's given me the confidence to put myself out there in ways that I never had.
[38:37] Because I think I used to hide behind my sunglasses and my perfectly curated photos and everyone used to say to me, only people actually knew how you are.
[38:48] How fun you are.
[38:49] Versus what they see on Instagram.
[38:51] And I was like, I want to show it.
[38:53] I do.
[38:53] But I'm just, I'm really insecure about this.
[38:56] Yeah.
[38:57] You're not a person that should be behind the scenes.
[38:59] Like you've got the best personality.
[39:01] It's great.
[39:02] Like you need to be front and center.
[39:04] And that's what you have to do to make yourself feel confident.
[39:07] Yeah, you do you, babe.
[39:08] You do you.
[39:09] I do do me.
[39:09] Yeah.
[39:09] And when, like did you get the empowerment and the confidence you were looking for?
[39:15] I did.
[39:15] I mean, I already know the answer.
[39:17] Hello.
[39:18] You know what?
[39:19] And I'll own this as well.
[39:21] For the first time in my life, I don't face tune my photos.
[39:24] Yeah.
[39:24] I don't need to.
[39:25] Yeah, yeah.
[39:25] And I always used to.
[39:26] I used to tuck my nose in.
[39:27] I used to tuck my chin in.
[39:29] And I just look at my photos now and I'm like, that's me.
[39:32] This is what I wanted.
[39:32] Yeah, yeah.
[39:33] This is what I wanted.
[39:34] And, you know.
[39:35] And did you do your nose and your chin at the same time?
[39:38] Same time.
[39:39] Yeah.
[39:39] Because I'm crazy.
[39:40] It's like going under once, might as well get it all done.
[39:43] Exactly.
[39:43] All the pain.
[39:44] Get it all the pain.
[39:45] Get it all the pain.
[39:47] Nose, this was my second one, actually.
[39:49] So first one I did when I was super, super young and I went to a doctor.
[39:54] I paid not much for a nose job, right?
[39:58] So it wasn't the best doctor or nose job or whatever.
[40:01] Was it not a plastic surgeon or cosmoist?
[40:02] No, he was a vet.
[40:03] It was what you say.
[40:06] A vet.
[40:06] A vet.
[40:09] It's like these botch tubes.
[40:12] He might as well have been.
[40:13] It's like botch, you know.
[40:14] Oh, I feel bad.
[40:15] No, no, no.
[40:16] I don't even know if he's around.
[40:17] He was like 80-something at the time.
[40:18] Poor guy.
[40:20] He probably couldn't even see what he was doing.
[40:23] But you did it for?
[40:24] Oh, sorry.
[40:26] Well, I was underage clubbing one night.
[40:29] I snuck out my window as I did when I was a teenager.
[40:32] And I was walking out of, oh, my God, I forget the name of the club.
[40:36] It was at the Docklands.
[40:37] Anyway, I walked full force straight into a glass door.
[40:42] Oh, my gosh.
[40:42] Nose first.
[40:43] No.
[40:44] So I had a deviated septum.
[40:46] Yeah.
[40:46] Yeah.
[40:47] And so I had this surgery and still had a deviated step.
[40:53] From the vet.
[40:55] Did that do anything?
[40:56] I don't know what he did.
[40:58] So I was constantly getting filler, which is so dangerous.
[41:00] Yeah, in your nose.
[41:01] In your nose.
[41:02] It is so dangerous.
[41:02] But my nose was literally like, I'm not joking, like this.
[41:05] Yeah.
[41:06] And I didn't want to keep getting filler.
[41:08] Yeah.
[41:08] Just because we've got listeners, when you're saying your nose looks like this, you're bending the tip off to one side.
[41:15] Completely.
[41:15] Yeah.
[41:15] Completely off to one side.
[41:17] I saw the photo of- I've got the before and after.
[41:20] Yeah.
[41:20] Yeah, I sent it to you.
[41:21] Yeah, and I was like, whoa.
[41:22] Whoa, that is one very crooked nose.
[41:25] Yes, it was.
[41:25] Yeah, it was.
[41:26] Like, it was so crooked.
[41:27] Yeah.
[41:27] Okay, so then you did the revision.
[41:29] Yes.
[41:29] And now, like-
[41:30] Can you talk us through how they do it and how they correct it?
[41:34] Like, did you have a rib used?
[41:37] Oh, yeah.
[41:37] He, no, I used donor.
[41:39] Yeah, he did.
[41:40] He opened up the whole thing.
[41:41] He used donor cartilage.
[41:43] Donor cartilage.
[41:43] Donor from who?
[41:44] I don't know.
[41:45] Who knows?
[41:46] Someone out there.
[41:47] I don't want to know.
[41:48] So you've got donor cartilage.
[41:49] I do.
[41:50] I do.
[41:50] I do have donor cancer.
[41:51] And what did they do with it?
[41:52] Well, I don't know exactly, but all I know is he said that he spent a lot more time than he usually does on patients.
[42:00] On my tip.
[42:01] And the other doctor, the vet, he said to me...
[42:06] look, unfortunately, this is the best we're going to get because your skin's so thick.
[42:10] But the other doctor proved him wrong.
[42:11] Very wrong, yeah.
[42:12] And I'm guessing this other doctor is a proper board certified plastic surgeon.
[42:17] Yes, he is.
[42:17] I thought if I'm doing it again, I don't want to do it another time.
[42:20] I just want to get it right.
[42:21] So I'm going to pay.
[42:22] It wasn't cheap.
[42:23] You don't live in Sydney.
[42:25] What made you decide to go into state for surgery?
[42:28] Yeah.
[42:28] I did a lot of research.
[42:29] He is also very good at geneoplasties.
[42:32] Because that's not a common thing that plastic surgeons do in Australia, right?
[42:36] No.
[42:36] It's like, I think they do a lot of it in South Korea.
[42:39] Yeah.
[42:39] That's a huge thing in Korea.
[42:41] I didn't know enough about it.
[42:42] And I'm very lucky that one of my best friends, Havana Brown, lives there.
[42:46] So I just hid out at her house.
[42:48] Yeah.
[42:48] And I did my recovery there.
[42:49] Oh, how good.
[42:51] How long were you recovering for there?
[42:52] Two weeks.
[42:53] Two weeks.
[42:53] Oh, wow.
[42:53] Two weeks.
[42:54] Two weeks.
[42:55] Yeah.
[42:55] So where's the incision for your genioplasty, the jaw surgery?
[43:00] So it's under my chin just here.
[43:01] Yeah, I can't even see it.
[43:02] But it's like you can't see it now.
[43:04] When I was pregnant and I had all that extra weight on, you could really see it.
[43:08] Just that being one of the roles.
[43:10] It obviously looked like a role.
[43:12] Yeah, wow.
[43:14] Wow, there you go.
[43:15] That's awesome.
[43:15] Thank you so much for sharing.
[43:17] We've never had anyone talk about the genioplasty on vearnish.
[43:21] Well, I also want to say that there was –
[43:26] You know, I think in our industry, you guys both know that we get a lot of negative comments.
[43:33] And a lot of them, you know, Teflon.
[43:37] Yeah.
[43:37] But some of them do get to me.
[43:39] Yeah.
[43:40] And particularly my appearance as a sore spot for me.
[43:43] Yeah.
[43:43] Right?
[43:44] So before I had done anything, I actually had a few DMs saying that I looked like American Dad.
[43:53] Yeah.
[43:54] Stop.
[43:55] Yes.
[43:56] And that actually really upset me.
[43:58] Yeah.
[43:58] Like who says that honestly?
[44:00] Happy people don't hurt people.
[44:01] I know.
[44:02] I know.
[44:02] And I know all that.
[44:04] Yeah.
[44:04] But it's like when it hits that nerve and when you kind of think it too.
[44:08] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[44:10] You know, I was like, they see what I see.
[44:13] Aw.
[44:13] You know?
[44:14] But like, did you only see that after someone said it to you?
[44:17] No, I knew I had a prominent jaw.
[44:19] I wouldn't have said American Dad.
[44:21] But then I got a couple of them and I was like, well, I guess I do look like American Dad.
[44:26] No, you do not look like American Dad.
[44:29] I would have told you.
[44:30] You're beautiful.
[44:30] You've always been beautiful.
[44:31] You've always been stunning.
[44:32] You've always been beautiful.
[44:33] I just can't get over someone.
[44:34] People just say that horrible shit.
[44:36] Yeah.
[44:37] I can.
[44:38] People are fucked.
[44:39] No, I know.
[44:40] People are jealous, mean.
[44:42] They've got their own issues they're dealing with.
[44:44] They project on other people.
[44:46] I've been on the receiving end for 25 minutes.
[44:48] I think we've got these perfect lives.
[44:50] I just get it.
[44:51] And we're not insecure.
[44:51] And we don't have any insecurities and we actually do.
[44:54] We do.
[44:55] Yeah, when I get someone say something about my looks or something like that.
[44:58] And then it's in your head.
[44:59] It's in my head.
[45:00] Do you think you would have got the surgery if it was just you thinking it and other people not DMing you saying that you look like American Dad?
[45:11] It had...
[45:12] I'd be lying if I...
[45:14] didn't say it didn't have some effect on me.
[45:17] It did in my decision-making process.
[45:19] Yeah.
[45:19] Because it made me more conscious of putting myself online.
[45:24] And the thing is, in my industry, I need to.
[45:26] Yeah.
[45:27] And so the more I would get messages like that, the more I was like, oh, I'm not doing it.
[45:31] I can't talk to camera.
[45:32] Oh, my God.
[45:33] Everyone's going to slam me.
[45:34] Everyone's going to see my jaw.
[45:35] Everyone's going to see my jaw.
[45:36] My big American dad jaw.
[45:38] So, no, I'm not doing it.
[45:40] And I wish I was, you know, stronger in that way where I could just Teflon that.
[45:46] But, you know, it hit a nerve for me.
[45:48] I think, yeah, I think appearances and people…
[45:50] you know, digging on an appearance just would rock anyone.
[45:53] It does.
[45:54] It does.
[45:54] There's a few things that'll get me and that's one of them.
[45:56] Yeah, yeah.
[45:58] We all have our things.
[45:59] And it's not that way.
[45:59] And thank you for being so open in sharing that.
[46:01] Yeah.
[46:01] We've had this conversation before.
[46:03] I get the jaw thing sometimes as well and I get the horse thing.
[46:06] And I always get Mr. Ed.
[46:07] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[46:08] Mr. Ed, long face.
[46:09] I'm pretty sure anyone calling you Mr. Ed wishes they looked like you.
[46:12] So let's not even go.
[46:13] And I do have a long, I've got a narrow, long face.
[46:15] Because you never used to wear a ponytail.
[46:17] Yeah.
[46:18] Was it you that… I did in school, but then I did it for ages.
[46:21] I always covered my hair.
[46:22] I always made sure that the front of my hair came in and then out at my cheek.
[46:27] Because when your hair covering your face comes out at your cheek, it gives you more of a triangular heart-shaped face.
[46:33] So I would do that for such a long time.
[46:35] And then I just found contouring.
[46:37] And then you can contour now your face to look shorter.
[46:41] So every day I bronzer my forehead, I bronzer my chin to shrink my feet.
[46:45] face, right?
[46:46] But it's so funny, like, I get the jaw thing as well.
[46:49] But for some reason, because I'm very open to having surgery, but it's never something that I've considered doing.
[46:58] But I've had plastic surgery for other stuff that I've never been bullied about or never, just stuff that I've seen.
[47:05] So the time I get bullied about it, I'm like, oh, you fuck.
[47:07] And then I'm like, oh, I think I need a brow lift.
[47:10] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[47:11] Right?
[47:11] Yeah, it's interesting.
[47:13] Your chin's tiny.
[47:15] I'd be like, I think we can be honest.
[47:18] We can all be honest with you.
[47:21] No, no one needs anything.
[47:22] But we've done it all.
[47:22] We've done it all.
[47:23] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[47:25] We just want to say we've done it.
[47:26] Do you know what?
[47:27] It's the same like having a baby.
[47:29] My mum had my sister and I naturally no epidural.
[47:32] And she's like, don't get an epidural.
[47:36] You don't need it.
[47:37] I pushed you and your sister out.
[47:38] It was fine.
[47:39] Yeah, it hurts a bit.
[47:40] You can do it.
[47:41] You can do it.
[47:42] Don't need it.
[47:42] I'm like, you don't need it.
[47:44] And I'm like, of course I don't need it.
[47:46] I want it.
[47:46] I want it.
[47:47] Because I don't want to fucking feel it.
[47:49] I don't want to feel a thing.
[47:50] That's why I had four instead of two.
[47:53] Yeah.
[47:53] I want to feel it.
[47:54] It's supposed to feel something.
[47:55] And then after, she's like, yeah, you didn't need that.
[47:56] I'm like, I know, Mum.
[47:56] No shit.
[47:57] I didn't need it.
[47:58] need it.
[47:58] Yeah.
[47:58] But I definitely wanted it.
[48:00] Yeah.
[48:00] And I took my laptop in there.
[48:02] Those contractions.
[48:02] And I worked for six hours.
[48:04] And then the doctor came in and said, you can push now.
[48:06] I'm like, great.
[48:07] So I stopped sending admin emails and I pushed the baby out.
[48:09] It was fine.
[48:09] You did like two days of labor, three days.
[48:11] Oh, God.
[48:12] Awful.
[48:13] Oh, my goodness.
[48:14] Is there a beauty trend or treatment you've tried and thought, never again?
[48:17] Yeah.
[48:22] I really am, other than my multiple surgeries, low maintenance.
[48:29] Other than my anti-wrinkle injections, I don't really do a lot than put some cream on my face.
[48:36] Yeah.
[48:36] As I say, you use Rose's bum wipes.
[48:38] You do.
[48:38] You're actually a really cheap wife, in a way.
[48:41] What did they say?
[48:42] You do high maintenance things to be low maintenance.
[48:44] That's right.
[48:46] That's it.
[48:46] That's my goal this year.
[48:48] Because right now I'm really high maintenance.
[48:50] Because all the skincare product and all that, like, I've got to pay for it.
[48:52] Yeah, but it's research.
[48:53] Yeah, it is research.
[48:54] And it's like, you know, and then, like, getting your anti-wrinkles and all the biostimulants.
[48:57] And now I'm like, you know what?
[48:58] Fuck it all.
[48:59] I'd rather just pay, like, whatever I need to pay.
[49:00] Yeah.
[49:01] Get a ponytail facelift.
[49:02] Get fat grafting done.
[49:03] Then be done with it.
[49:04] Yeah.
[49:04] And that's what I'll probably do in, like, 10, 15 years.
[49:07] Exactly.
[49:07] And then I'm fine for the next time I belong.
[49:10] Now I'm doing all the research.
[49:11] And if you add up all the, you know, the tightening devices?
[49:13] Yes.
[49:14] That bloody hurt don't even really work that much.
[49:16] Yeah.
[49:17] And you do them for 10 years and they cost thousands and thousands of dollars.
[49:20] Like it's the same price as actually just having something permanently done in a one-off.
[49:26] Like there are things you've got to consider with all of these treatments and lasers and tightening because you've got to look long-term.
[49:31] You've got to look at price.
[49:32] Yeah.
[49:33] So I had a laser done many, many years ago and it's really, really expensive.
[49:38] It's actually a non-surgical lifting and collagen boosting.
[49:42] It uses like high frequency of heat.
[49:46] The pain that I was in.
[49:49] The worst.
[49:50] The worst.
[49:50] You had it done.
[49:51] It was the worst.
[49:52] And I've done a lot of things, had a lot of babies, had a lot of different interventions.
[49:57] The worst, by far.
[49:58] Yeah.
[49:58] It's like throwing a steak in a hot pan and it's...
[50:02] Yeah.
[50:02] Shrinks.
[50:03] I don't like you being pained.
[50:04] I tried to roll my belly button after having the twins.
[50:06] It's so bad.
[50:06] I screamed.
[50:07] I screamed so much.
[50:08] The girls in reception heard me.
[50:10] I never went back.
[50:11] Didn't work.
[50:12] Yeah.
[50:12] Ouch.
[50:12] It was the worst pain.
[50:13] And the reason, if you're listening, go, why aren't they saying what it is?
[50:16] We're not allowed to, guys.
[50:17] Yeah.
[50:17] We can't say what the brand name is because of TGA.
[50:20] So that's why we're talking around it.
[50:21] So we're not going crazy.
[50:23] We're not gatekeeping from you.
[50:24] Yeah.
[50:25] Well, I'm glad I haven't done it.
[50:27] There's other things.
[50:29] That was like the first time I went and got a vagina wax and I was like, never again.
[50:33] Never again, yeah.
[50:34] Same.
[50:34] Same.
[50:36] I'll just have a bush.
[50:37] I'll just have a bush.
[50:39] Sorry, James.
[50:40] Laser it.
[50:42] Sorry, all the husbands.
[50:43] Welcome to the 70s.
[50:48] I think that's coming back in.
[50:49] I know.
[50:50] Bushes are back in.
[50:51] Oh.
[50:52] Yeah.
[50:52] Who's got time?
[50:53] Yeah.
[50:53] No, but I'm like...
[50:54] Especially when we have kids left like that.
[50:55] But it's the bathers.
[50:57] It's the bathers.
[50:58] No, I did have laser, but there's a little patch that still grows back.
[51:01] I like the patch is nice.
[51:03] Yeah.
[51:03] The patch...
[51:04] I think I like the patch.
[51:05] You need a little...
[51:05] The little landing strip.
[51:06] A landing strip.
[51:07] They like a landing strip.
[51:08] Well, mine's kind of like a landing bush, but...
[51:11] A landing road.
[51:12] So funny.
[51:14] Freeway.
[51:15] All right.
[51:16] Okay.
[51:16] I'm not going to be that funny.
[51:17] Back on track.
[51:18] Is there a random or affordable beauty product that you genuinely swear by?
[51:22] Like something from a supermarket or a chemist?
[51:23] Like mascara or a lip liner.
[51:25] Yes.
[51:25] Yeah.
[51:26] Yes.
[51:27] Rose's Baby Wipes.
[51:28] Rose's Baby Wipes.
[51:29] That's been the biggest takeaway of the day.
[51:31] Can you name the brand of that?
[51:33] Marquise.
[51:34] It's so clean.
[51:35] And I will say I used another brand that claimed to be 99% water.
[51:39] But my skin.
[51:40] Yes, I know the brand you're talking about.
[51:41] I never used it again.
[51:42] Yeah.
[51:43] Marquise.
[51:43] I know the one.
[51:44] Marquise.
[51:45] It's the good one.
[51:46] Is that the M-A-R-Q-U-I-S-E?
[51:48] Yes.
[51:48] Marquise.
[51:49] Yes.
[51:49] So I won't wipe my face with anything but Marquise.
[51:52] And what about?
[51:53] Or Rose's bum for that one.
[51:57] I love it.
[51:57] I love it.
[51:58] So, okay, is there a beauty thing that you swear by?
[52:01] So, under my eyes, my eye concealer and like brightening, I use the cheapest one and it's the best.
[52:08] What is that?
[52:09] LA Girl and it's like $7 a tube.
[52:12] From where?
[52:13] It's called LA Girl.
[52:14] LA Girl from where?
[52:14] And I just buy it online.
[52:15] I think it's like…
[52:17] Strawberry something.
[52:18] Oh, strawberry net.
[52:18] Yeah.
[52:19] Yeah.
[52:20] Strawberry net.
[52:21] LA girl.
[52:21] But it's like... Got about that.
[52:22] But I use the yellow corrector.
[52:24] Yeah, it's brightening.
[52:24] And it acts as concealer and it's brightening and like...
[52:27] So yellow corrector.
[52:28] So these are like, it comes out yellow?
[52:30] Yeah.
[52:30] It comes out yellow, but when it oxidizes into your skin...
[52:33] It's super brightening.
[52:34] It's super brightening and it just... Yeah.
[52:36] I remember when Chantel Baker...
[52:39] one of the best makeup artists, used a yellow concealer and then a yellow powder under my eyes.
[52:44] It was like a banana colour.
[52:46] I think it was even called, the colour with the brown was actually called banana powder.
[52:50] She used that on me and I'm like, whoa, whoa, whoa, what are you putting that yellow under my eyes?
[52:53] She goes, no, no, no, it's brightening, you'll see.
[52:55] Trust me, let it bake.
[52:55] She put it on, I looked in the mirror, OMG, I've never looked better.
[52:58] Yeah.
[52:59] So now I'd always go the more yellow.
[53:01] Yeah.
[53:01] Yeah, and Charlotte Tilbury actually do a really good under eye brightening powder in like a lemon yellow.
[53:07] That's a good one.
[53:09] Yeah.
[53:09] God, I learned something everywhere.
[53:10] Well, get yourself some LA girl and layer it up with that Charlotte Tilbury.
[53:15] Yeah.
[53:16] We want to ask about your hair.
[53:17] Jess had a question when you came in.
[53:18] I always love your hair.
[53:19] I always love how you have the bend.
[53:21] I feel like the curl, that big wave curl's coming out.
[53:24] Straight hair's kind of coming in, but also that bend.
[53:26] How do you do it?
[53:27] Do you get somebody to do it or do you do it?
[53:29] I do it.
[53:30] So years and years and years of having, and I know everyone complains because they get hair extensions.
[53:35] Yeah.
[53:35] But I have the thickest hair ever.
[53:39] I love that you were saying, because I was like, has your hair been falling out since having the baby?
[53:42] Like, no, not yet.
[53:43] I wish.
[53:44] Just a little.
[53:45] Just a little bit.
[53:45] I wish a couple of strands would come out.
[53:47] No, of course not.
[53:49] In fact, hair grew in places I didn't want it to grow.
[53:52] Hormones.
[53:52] Hormones.
[53:53] Yeah, so yeah.
[53:57] I love that.
[53:58] So, yeah, so what do you do?
[54:00] So I have mastered a technique over my 36 years of living.
[54:06] So if I curl it all out, it's too boofy.
[54:10] So the bottom half of my hair, I curl in and I use a loose, sorry, like a thick hair straightener, not the big barrel.
[54:18] A big straightener.
[54:18] Like a big flat iron straightener.
[54:19] Oh, yeah, flat iron straightener.
[54:21] Like the OG GHD type one from back in the day.
[54:24] Yeah.
[54:24] Okay.
[54:24] So what I do is underneath I curl inwards, right?
[54:30] And then through the middle layers I wave it.
[54:34] It's a process.
[54:35] Oh, my gosh.
[54:36] And then on the top layers through the front I'll bring them outwards, right?
[54:41] And then I'll bring the other ones inwards.
[54:43] So it's like… Can you do a tutorial?
[54:45] I need to.
[54:46] But it would take like an hour and a half.
[54:48] I don't know who's going to watch it for an hour and a half.
[54:49] No, but it's just like… Just pop it up.
[54:51] It's even just showing like the techniques.
[54:52] Yeah.
[54:53] Bottom layer with my straightener, I do this and then I do it this on this way.
[54:56] Even if you just do one side or just three or four layers.
[55:00] Yeah, yeah.
[55:00] So people know.
[55:01] Girl needs a GHD sponsorship.
[55:03] Yeah.
[55:03] I think so.
[55:05] Or Cloud9.
[55:06] Actually, it's Cloud9.
[55:07] Cloud9.
[55:07] Cloud nine.
[55:08] So they've got the flat tongue.
[55:10] Yes.
[55:11] Surely mermaid need to make one of these for me.
[55:13] They've probably got one.
[55:14] They don't.
[55:14] Trust me, I've got it all.
[55:15] Oh, because they've all got the curls.
[55:16] They've got the tongs.
[55:17] They've got the waver.
[55:18] They've got the hot rollers.
[55:19] But not the big.
[55:20] The brushes.
[55:21] Yeah, they've got everything.
[55:22] But not the flat iron.
[55:23] Okay.
[55:23] That's really cool.
[55:24] And I will say.
[55:25] Because I like that edgy look.
[55:27] I don't want it too pretty.
[55:28] The curl's too pretty.
[55:29] I want that gritty look.
[55:31] Eleven's Salt Spray.
[55:35] Yeah, the texture spray, the sea salt texture.
[55:37] Good one, Joey.
[55:37] Love that product.
[55:38] Yeah, it is good.
[55:40] Yeah, nice.
[55:41] Yes.
[55:41] So when you say just back on that underneath, your tongue inwards, do you leave the ends out?
[55:46] Because I feel like your ends are always like really like straight and fashion-y and cool girl.
[55:50] No, but you know what it is?
[55:51] Dead hair.
[55:52] Well, they drop because of the wider straightener.
[55:56] Yeah.
[55:56] But also the salt spray.
[55:59] Oh, salt spray.
[55:59] Yeah.
[56:00] And then also your ends get… It kind of just straightens them out.
[56:02] And your ends always get quite straight anyway because it's… It's been from there to there.
[56:07] That's a good hat.
[56:07] There you go.
[56:08] I do need a tutorial.
[56:08] I'm sleeping on it.
[56:09] I definitely need a tutorial.
[56:10] So how long will that stay in?
[56:12] Like, do you have to wash your hair like twice a week or… This is day three.
[56:16] Yeah.
[56:16] I could probably go another two.
[56:19] I mean, I've got to…
[56:20] shit ton of dry shampoo.
[56:22] I'm sure, yeah.
[56:22] So like, do you wash your hair twice a week?
[56:25] Twice a week.
[56:25] Yeah, same.
[56:27] Babe, what's next for you?
[56:28] What are you excited about right now?
[56:30] Oh, gosh.
[56:31] So you've just had a baby.
[56:32] You've just launched a store.
[56:33] You're just doing a renovation.
[56:34] Like, what else can you add in?
[56:36] Yeah.
[56:37] Chris Contos and I, we work very closely together to do exciting things for the brand.
[56:41] So each year we'll sort of do a Melbourne thing and then we'll do a Sydney thing or vice versa.
[56:47] So towards the end of the year, we are going to be doing something really exciting in Sydney.
[56:51] How cool.
[56:53] Can you give me the date now?
[56:54] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[56:56] I know.
[56:56] Make sure you're not on holidays.
[56:58] Oh, my God.
[56:58] Every time Effie has something, I'm not in the country.
[57:03] Yeah.
[57:03] I'm like, I'm really sorry, Effie, you're going to think that this is personal.
[57:06] Do you know why?
[57:06] I'm never around.
[57:07] Do you know why?
[57:08] Do you know why?
[57:08] Because she doesn't mean the school holidays.
[57:10] That's why.
[57:11] But now she's got a kid.
[57:12] Yeah.
[57:12] Now I know.
[57:13] She won't do the school holidays because we're never around in the school holidays.
[57:17] Never around.
[57:17] Give me the date now.
[57:18] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[57:19] Please don't do it on the school holidays.
[57:20] We're working on it.
[57:21] Please don't do it on the school holidays.
[57:22] That was such a great chat.
[57:24] I loved it.
[57:24] Thank you for being so honest.
[57:26] I feel like everyone always comes on here and shares their stories with us and really lets us into their thoughts, their feelings, the things that they've had done and why they've done it for themselves.
[57:35] And today that just set the bar.
[57:37] Like, babe, you were so open.
[57:39] It was so cool.
[57:39] It was so cool.
[57:40] Thanks for trusting us.
[57:41] I do.
[57:42] I love you guys.
[57:43] I love you.
[57:43] Thanks, guys.
[57:44] That's another episode of Vay Nish.
[57:45] We'll see you next week.
[57:46] Bye for now.
[57:46] Bye.
[57:47] Bye.
[57:47] Bye.
[57:48] Only do what we wanna.
[57:51] No rules, yeah, we're gonna, gonna.
[57:53] Say.

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