# Lana Wilkinson Tell All

An episode of [Vain-ish](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1824105551), 28 Apr 2026, 59 min.

Audio: https://enrichment.soundstack.com/4vjqq8/episode.flightcast.com/ddged32u5el0x8qwlghaaw11.mp3

One of Australia’s most in-demand stylists, Lana Wilkinson, shares her journey from dressing stars like Whitney Port, Ruby Rose and Rachel Zoe to building her own footwear brand. She opens up about motherhood, perimenopause and confidence in her 40s, alongside her evolving beauty and wellness approach. Lana shares the treatments she’s tried, what she’s learned, and her non-negotiables. She also reveals the honest story behind her upper and lower blepharoplasty. Find us on Instagram: @vainishpodcast, and thanks to our guest Lana Wilkinson. Hosts: @becjudd and @jessierobertsx Producer: Liza Altarejos Audio Imager: Chris Marsh Video Producer: Justin Hill Find more great podcasts at www.listnr.com See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

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[0:49] Hey guys, it's Bec Judd.
[0:51] And Jess Roberts.
[0:52] And welcome to Vainish.
[0:54] Hello, babe.
[0:55] How are you going today?
[0:56] I'm good.
[0:56] I'm good.
[0:57] Been busy because obviously first week back at school.
[1:00] Yeah.
[1:00] But yeah, I'm glad they're back because they cost me a fortune.
[1:02] Yeah.
[1:03] Tell me about it.
[1:04] The kids are bloody expensive, aren't they?
[1:05] They are.
[1:06] All the things they want to do, like go to the movies, go to bowling, like all of that just obviously costs.
[1:12] And then I didn't get any help at home because my family lived down the coast and live in
[1:18] and Val and I are both working, and so sometimes I have to go, River, can you do some babysitting?
[1:24] And she's like, yeah, okay, at what cost?
[1:26] How old is she?
[1:27] She's 14.
[1:28] Okay.
[1:28] Yeah, 14, that's like a fair age to start babysitting, right?
[1:32] Your babysitting career.
[1:33] Yeah, yeah, and it's like, you know, it's your siblings, and it's only for a few hours coming into the studio, and I said, so can you look after your siblings?
[1:42] And she's like, yeah, $400.
[1:43] Wow.
[1:46] $400.
[1:46] I mean, everything is really expensive right now and inflation and cost of fuel and everything, but that river, that is like adding some extra, extra, extra mayo.
[1:55] Exactly.
[1:56] So guess what I got her down to?
[1:57] What?
[1:58] $200.
[1:58] $200?
[1:58] Yeah, for five hours.
[2:01] Oh, my goodness.
[2:02] She wasn't going to do it.
[2:03] She just would have walked out the house, gone, seen her friends.
[2:05] So I had to literally...
[2:07] hustle.
[2:09] So $40 an hour is a going rate for a babysitter now.
[2:11] Babysitter, yeah.
[2:12] But what are her duties within that time?
[2:14] So her duties are to not be on devices, make sure Jagger's not on Nintendo, whatever.
[2:19] Like to go out into the tennis court and play basketball and soccer, go walk the dogs, do a load of washing.
[2:26] So they've got tasks to do.
[2:27] Yeah.
[2:27] It's not like she's just sitting there.
[2:29] Yeah.
[2:29] And if I do get home and find out she was just sitting there.
[2:32] You're not paying up.
[2:33] Well, no, I had to pay up front.
[2:35] Oh, you what?
[2:35] You paid up front.
[2:36] I paid up front because I say this all the time and I probably, I was okay giving her the $200 because I kind of semi-ow her.
[2:44] I go, can you look after the kids?
[2:45] I'll pay you $50 while, you know, I go out and do whatever.
[2:48] And that would be like going out for dinner with, and Belle and I go out for dinner with you guys or whatever like that.
[2:52] So I've never kind of given her the money.
[2:54] Yeah.
[2:55] So now she's got the thing.
[2:56] She's like, yeah, that's fine.
[2:57] But you need to pay up front.
[2:58] Pay up front.
[2:59] Smart.
[2:59] Because I don't pay up front.
[3:00] Does she know that you actually take the money out of her account when you go to the ATM anyway?
[3:04] Yes, yes, yes.
[3:06] In LA, I was sitting there and I literally was pulling it because I've got all the kids' bank accounts and I've pulled everything and I'm like.
[3:12] Val, can you transfer me $1,000, $2,000?
[3:14] And he goes, oh, I've already seen you've drained the kids' accounts.
[3:18] I'm like, the dollar to Australia and US is not great.
[3:22] It's really bad.
[3:23] And it's the Uber rides.
[3:24] I'm like, oh, that's a cheap Uber ride, $40.
[3:26] No, that's not bad.
[3:27] It's like $80 Australian.
[3:28] Yeah, to go not very far.
[3:30] To In-N-Out, 11 minutes up the road.
[3:31] Yeah, that's a very expensive In-N-Out burger.
[3:33] Always worth it though.
[3:34] Always worth it.
[3:34] Oh, it's so funny.
[3:35] That gets me thinking back to when we were kids and the stuff we used to do to make money.
[3:41] Like, you know, what were your money making missions when you were a kid?
[3:45] What did you do?
[3:45] Well, I called mum and like, mum, what did I do to make money?
[3:49] She goes, nothing.
[3:50] You never got pocket money because you did nothing.
[3:52] What?
[3:52] What?
[3:53] Yeah, I was... Well, also, I'm living in a family where my dad's got OCD and my mum's got OCD.
[3:57] So even if I tried to do something, they would, you know, redo it.
[4:02] So I just kind of gave up.
[4:04] I, like, could literally...
[4:05] They called me Messy Jessie.
[4:06] Messy Jessie.
[4:07] You are, like, the complete opposite now.
[4:09] Opposite now.
[4:10] Like, I've got...
[4:10] messy jesse i'm gonna use that yeah oh friday nights when i'm going going out with you girls you should see my room it's like i'm a teenager it is like a tornado yeah i'm a part of that when we go out when we stay in a hotel room together yes yes i have to put we have to put that on our messy jesse and bad girl becky no but no no but we need like a messy becky or like there's like something needs to run with a b and there's a b we'll get to that yeah
[4:35] Yeah.
[4:36] We'll chat GPT that.
[4:37] We will chat GPT that.
[4:38] Yeah.
[4:38] So it was your... That's funny.
[4:40] But what if, like, when you wanted to go and buy something or go out with your friends and get a milkshake or, I don't know, a burger or go to Supre and buy something, where did you get your cash from and how?
[4:49] My mum would just give it to me.
[4:51] Yeah, she'd just feel like.
[4:53] Dee, she's too good to you.
[4:54] Yeah, she was good.
[4:54] I think because I never asked for money.
[4:56] I never asked for anything.
[4:57] So when I did ask, it was like, you know, can I buy a $10 top from Supre?
[5:02] So she'd give it to me.
[5:03] You know, Mac is in those days.
[5:04] Can I get a Big Mac meal, whatever it is?
[5:06] It was like $4.95.
[5:07] Yeah.
[5:08] You know, that.
[5:09] I didn't do a lot.
[5:10] I did so much dancing that I didn't have time to do.
[5:13] To do house stuff.
[5:14] Yeah, yeah.
[5:15] You know what?
[5:15] We were so poor growing up and we didn't really get pocket money on.
[5:19] We might get like a dollar a week or something and we'd go to the shop on a Sunday and get a $1 lolly bag.
[5:23] And that was like it.
[5:24] But my sister and I, Kate, we were like bloody human metal detectors.
[5:29] So we would go to netball.
[5:30] We'd be at netball from eight in the morning.
[5:32] So mum would coach, we would play and then mum would play later at like a four o'clock game.
[5:36] So we'd be at netball from...
[5:37] Like eight in the morning till six o'clock every Saturday.
[5:40] And Kate and I would just walk up and down the 30 courts, up and down, up and down, up and down, just staring at the ground looking for money.
[5:47] And we would find money every single weekend.
[5:50] What?
[5:50] Every single weekend.
[5:52] Oh, my God.
[5:52] Yes.
[5:53] Like how much?
[5:54] Like –
[5:55] I don't know, anywhere between $2 and $10 a Saturday, we would find money and go to the canteen and buy lollies.
[6:01] Oh, my goodness.
[6:03] It was the best.
[6:04] That is amazing.
[6:05] Yeah, always look down.
[6:06] That's why I never stand in dog poo because my eyes are trained to always look down.
[6:09] Yeah.
[6:10] But you know what, Jess?
[6:11] There was a way that Kate and I made even more money.
[6:14] And I've got her on the phone now to tell the story.
[6:17] Hi, Kate.
[6:18] Hi, Kate.
[6:19] Hello.
[6:20] Hello, Kate.
[6:21] All righty.
[6:22] So how's this?
[6:23] Every Thursday night, we'd go to the local shopping centre.
[6:27] Mum would be doing the late night shopping to get groceries, and Bec and I would go to the local news agent, and we'd go over to where all the scratchies were on the floor that had already been scratched.
[6:39] Yeah.
[6:39] We'd go there, collect the scratchies and just double check that someone hadn't collected winnings.
[6:44] And we would score like, I don't know, one to two bucks a month, I reckon.
[6:48] Our strike rate was pretty good back, but there was this one day we got 10 bucks.
[6:54] Stop.
[6:54] It was like winning the lotto.
[6:55] That is.
[6:56] $10.
[6:57] Oh, my God.
[6:57] Like, this was in the 80s.
[6:59] That's like $70, $80, $100.
[7:01] Yeah, Kate got it.
[7:02] It was like three of a kind or whatever, and someone had scratched it and just thrown it in the bin.
[7:07] So we used to go through the bin and get the old scratches.
[7:10] $10.
[7:11] That is so good.
[7:12] I've never forgotten it.
[7:13] Kate, was that one of the biggest moments of your childhood?
[7:16] Oh, I was doing, like, back flips in the shopping center.
[7:19] It was, like, the best thing ever.
[7:20] Did you tell your mum?
[7:22] Oh, yeah.
[7:22] We ran straight into Farmer Jack's and we're like, mum.
[7:26] We've won the lotto.
[7:27] We had $100 to spend every Thursday night on the weekly shop.
[7:31] That's all we had.
[7:32] Yeah, for food.
[7:32] So to win $10, an extra 10%, like that was huge for our family.
[7:37] Your mum's like you've gone from normal mince to organic mince this week.
[7:41] Oh, my God.
[7:43] So good.
[7:51] So today we've got such an exciting show.
[7:53] We have one of our very, very best friends in the whole wide world coming in.
[8:00] It is stylist.
[8:01] She also owns a global shoe brand.
[8:05] That we love and we always wear.
[8:07] Yeah, we're obsessed with her and we know everyone else is as well.
[8:11] And also...
[8:12] Can I just put it out there?
[8:13] She's our girl when we are feeling really shit about ourselves and down about life.
[8:19] We give her a call because she always gives us a pep talk.
[8:22] It's called a Lana Wilkinson pep talk.
[8:26] Yeah, it's the best.
[8:27] It's the best.
[8:28] And you know what else we do?
[8:30] If someone is a bit down and we feel like we can't be that person, we'll call Lana and I'm like, hey, Lance.
[8:36] can you Jess is wigging on this can you and she goes does she need a Lana chat she needs a Lana chat so then Lana will call Jess acting like she hadn't spoken to me and just like calls and gives the pep talk we'd all do it for each other where we know that when someone needs a pep talk and feel great about themselves a person to do that is Lana it is I've said for years we need to do a a book a coffee table a coffee table cover all her quotes
[8:59] Yeah.
[9:00] Oh, my God.
[9:00] Lana-isms.
[9:01] Yeah, Lana-isms, like winning the day.
[9:03] Winning the day.
[9:04] Are you winning the day, friends?
[9:05] Yeah.
[9:05] One team, one dream.
[9:08] Honestly, one of the most in-demand stylists in Australia, the woman behind so many iconic red carpet moments and now our favourite fancy party shoes.
[9:17] And not just party shoes, boots and flats as well.
[9:19] She listened to me.
[9:20] We're doing flats.
[9:21] I'm waiting for a runner.
[9:23] Is there a runner coming?
[9:24] I don't know how the chance I'm wrong.
[9:25] Lana Wilkinson, welcome to Beignin.
[9:27] Thank you so much.
[9:28] I'm so excited to see my besties in their big office studio.
[9:32] Are we big girls?
[9:33] I am.
[9:34] And thanks.
[9:34] Well, you are.
[9:35] Look, we've got a job.
[9:36] We've got a job.
[9:37] And thank you for that amazing intro.
[9:39] It's a pleasure to be here.
[9:40] Oh, we're so excited to have you.
[9:42] How did you become Lana Wilkinson?
[9:45] Well, I think initially I'd worked in project marketing.
[9:48] So I worked for Westfield.
[9:50] And so I worked on some really incredible campaigns.
[9:54] And I often was like, I want to be...
[9:56] working on them.
[9:57] I don't want to be like organizing them.
[9:59] So I'd started to do some styling on the side.
[10:02] And I think it was sort of really by word of mouth, actually.
[10:05] And then all of a sudden, I started doing like red carpets.
[10:08] I was doing the Brownlow Medal.
[10:09] I was doing ARIA Awards.
[10:11] I was doing MTV Awards.
[10:12] You name it, I was doing it.
[10:14] And then I sort of had to make the call to go, okay, instead of doing this as like a side hobby, I really need to lean in and just like
[10:20] Take a leap of faith, change careers and go in fully loaded and see what happens.
[10:26] And, you know, friends with some incredible people like our girl here, who was like, hey, Lance, I saw you did this.
[10:33] Can I organise to get you to do this for me?
[10:35] What was the first look we did together?
[10:36] The first look we did, I remember it very distinctly.
[10:38] It was after a Logies and I got a text message and I was like, Beck and I had known each other for years through mutual friends.
[10:46] But I'd never gone down the road of like, oh, can I work with you?
[10:49] I never did that.
[10:49] I still don't do it, right?
[10:50] Yeah, you don't.
[10:51] I think none of us do that.
[10:53] No, ego vein.
[10:54] Absolutely not.
[10:55] If you think I'm good, you'll ask.
[10:56] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[10:57] So when the Queen says, oh, I want to engage you, it's time, blah, blah, blah.
[11:02] I can't remember the exact first thing we did.
[11:04] I feel like it was one of your campaign shoots, I think.
[11:07] I remember we got some jeton stuff.
[11:09] It was, you know, just a lazy jeton.
[11:10] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[11:11] Do you know what it was?
[11:12] Was it a Spray Oz campaign?
[11:13] Yes, that's right.
[11:14] That's right.
[11:14] That's right.
[11:15] Oh, and was it Chaton at Bondi Beach?
[11:17] That's right.
[11:18] That's right.
[11:19] I remember that.
[11:20] I actually think there was ones before that.
[11:21] Before that.
[11:22] Remember we did one at the George Boru?
[11:23] It was that one.
[11:24] And Ed shot it.
[11:25] Ed Perno-Mo shot it.
[11:26] That's right.
[11:26] And we had her in Chaton.
[11:27] We had her in Palo Sebastian in Balmain.
[11:30] It was like, it was a good day.
[11:31] We'd launched with a bloody bang.
[11:33] Yeah, you did.
[11:34] It was amazing.
[11:35] And Nards was there as well.
[11:36] It was incredible.
[11:37] So I was so lucky to have all of these incredible experiences.
[11:40] And then...
[11:41] I think there was like a shift maybe when I started to work with a manager because I was, everything was all referral.
[11:47] And that was sort of the interesting thing about Instagram, right?
[11:50] Which I think now is very much TikTok.
[11:52] So it's like, I always say to everyone, if you want to be known, you've got to put yourself out there.
[11:56] Like, you know, there's no point telling us about it.
[11:59] Tell everyone about it.
[12:00] And so I would just start posting all my work.
[12:03] And then I started to get hit up by internationals.
[12:05] Like it was incredible.
[12:07] So I've got to work with some pretty amazing people.
[12:10] What was that moment where you're like, I've made it.
[12:13] I'm proud of myself.
[12:14] Oh, there's been a lot.
[12:15] Like, I know I've probably told this story a bit.
[12:17] There was probably a couple like where there were internationals.
[12:19] And I don't mean that to sound like that's the pinnacle.
[12:23] But it is.
[12:24] And you're worldwide.
[12:25] I remember when we literally were doing like, I think it was like the Portipolo.
[12:29] And I not long had, I think, Ava.
[12:31] And I was like, okay, we're hitting our strides.
[12:34] We're doing well.
[12:35] And it was right in the moment of like the hills in the city and Whitney Port had asked and requested for me.
[12:41] Whitney.
[12:42] And I was like, this is a moment.
[12:44] This is great.
[12:45] And it was just off the back.
[12:46] I remember we'd done a photo shoot with Ruby Rose and she was doing Orange is the New Black.
[12:50] Yes.
[12:51] And then probably the person that came after that, I'm sounding like such a name dropper.
[12:54] No name drop baby name.
[12:55] But for me like hero wise, like and the reason I became a stylist was Rachel Zoe.
[13:00] So I remember when I got to work with her, that was just like –
[13:04] Oh, you got to work with Rachel Zoe?
[13:05] Oh, yeah.
[13:05] Was it for Crown?
[13:06] No, came out here for Chadston.
[13:08] And I remember I got a phone call from Romano Beck who were running that and had me in this like little room and just like didn't tell me what I was there for and then go, oh, and it's Rachel Zoe and you'll be working back with her team and dressing her for the whole week that she's here.
[13:22] And I remember- When a stylist needs a stylist, that is cool.
[13:26] And I was- That is cool.
[13:28] The best thing about it though, and these are the things that no one tells you when you're sort of building, right, is just the amount like of brands and like labels and like bags, accessories.
[13:39] We filled a crown villa with stuff.
[13:42] And I remember like actually shaking.
[13:43] I had a security guard with me and we had like Tiffany jewelry.
[13:47] And I just remember thinking, you know, people say don't meet your heroes and I was like,
[13:51] be a bitch.
[13:52] Don't be a bitch.
[13:52] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[13:53] Because I think often leading up to that, there were lots of people I'd worked with and I was like, I'm so excited.
[13:58] I can't wait to meet this person.
[13:59] And you'd see how they treat people and how they were front-facing versus like behind the scenes.
[14:05] Yeah.
[14:06] And the great thing about Rachel was she was like amazing.
[14:09] Like, you know, everything she is that you see now on Housewives, that's her.
[14:14] And so that was one of those moments, I think, in time that I was like, okay.
[14:17] I've made it.
[14:18] I reckon maybe I've done pretty well.
[14:19] Yeah, you've done so.
[14:21] And when did you think, you know what, I'm going to go do shoes?
[14:25] Well, that kind of happened, I think.
[14:26] I'd been styling now probably for like eight or nine years.
[14:30] And there'd just been a real gap.
[14:32] Like we do carnivals, and I say this pointing to Bec because she would see me running from go to woe.
[14:37] Like you'd be doing like eight or nine people who had like four, minimum of four looks over that period.
[14:44] And I just thought there was a bit of a gap.
[14:45] And I had made best friends with the guys at Miss Louise Boutique, which is no longer...
[14:50] in Melbourne anymore.
[14:51] Iconic.
[14:52] Iconic.
[14:52] And Jack, like I remember Jack and her father, who's like this iconic shoe guy.
[14:58] Like they were amazing.
[14:59] But I remember the first time I was in there as a star, I was like, I'm sort of scared of you.
[15:02] You're like the shit.
[15:03] Like you know what's going on.
[15:05] Yeah.
[15:05] And they had the full fashion, like cool vibe attitude.
[15:08] It was intimidating.
[15:09] You'd go in there at Miss Louise and they had the best stuff.
[15:12] But I was like, you're in there, you're buying.
[15:14] Yes, absolutely.
[15:15] They had the best sales.
[15:16] And did I buy?
[15:18] I bought.
[15:19] Like there was one period where I'd spent, I want to say like an event period, which is like August, September maybe to Feb.
[15:27] I'd dropped like eight grand on shoes.
[15:29] How do you do this?
[15:30] Do you, when you, like, I always am in shock when you do this and styling all these people and you buy all these shoes and all these handbags and I go there going...
[15:39] babe, make sure you're only styling everyone that's the same size foot as you.
[15:41] Yeah.
[15:42] Oh, no, no, no.
[15:43] I've got a storage unit of like every single size shoe.
[15:46] 100%.
[15:46] And I'm just like, girl.
[15:48] And then also you can't be putting people in the same shoes as well.
[15:51] No.
[15:51] Because they've already been shot.
[15:52] I'm like, only we'll style someone that's in a size 38.
[15:55] Yeah.
[15:55] Oh, no.
[15:57] In my storage unit, I've got sizes like literally size 35 to 42 of designer stuff, like iconic designer stuff.
[16:03] Yeah, yeah.
[16:04] That I will never get rid of because I think it's important to capsule that time, you know.
[16:08] But,
[16:09] A lot of other people probably would just go, the free option is the best option or make the clients buy.
[16:13] And that was just something for me that was like a no-go.
[16:16] However, when you add that up after a while, it's like, oh.
[16:19] Very expensive.
[16:20] Even though that would be a tax write-off.
[16:22] Absolutely.
[16:23] However, it is still an expensive way to operate.
[16:28] You're not a cheap wife.
[16:29] No.
[16:29] Sorry, Liam.
[16:30] No.
[16:30] And then I sort of was like, there has to be a better way here, right?
[16:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[16:34] There has to be a way forward.
[16:35] Yeah.
[16:35] And there wasn't sort of something in that in-between where it was still really good quality.
[16:39] So I just thought there was a really big gap in the market and something that where there was sort of elevated really sort of fashion statement shoes.
[16:47] And so, and like the go-to for like the glam occasion without spending, you know, $2,000, $3,000, which, and you know, I'd managed to organize a lot of media discounts in that time.
[16:56] Yeah.
[16:57] But I was like, if I'm feeling like this...
[16:59] I reckon other people are too.
[17:01] And I really, I think the fundamentals of styling, right, is how you put something together.
[17:04] Like you'll never see me where it looks like something's just been walked and talked out of a lookbook.
[17:08] Like I don't actually think that's styling.
[17:10] I don't think that's style.
[17:11] It's a personal opinion.
[17:13] But I don't think it's that you have to like buy something super expensive to look amazing.
[17:18] So it sort of was born out of that and we launched it in October 2019 and we launched it in October 2019.
[17:24] and then COVID hit in March.
[17:26] So I got really tested about with my resilience.
[17:30] But you did it.
[17:31] But I wouldn't change it.
[17:32] And I think sometimes people, when I started, I just always sort of thought, oh, this will be a side hobby.
[17:36] And we had this huge event that you both came to.
[17:38] Thank you so much.
[17:39] Which I think I did to kind of go, I've got no idea what I'm doing, but what I do know how to do is market.
[17:44] That's what I knew how to do, right?
[17:45] So that was my background.
[17:47] I was like, if it all else fails, we'll have a really beautiful party.
[17:49] Everyone will look really nice.
[17:50] And everyone have great feet.
[17:51] And have great feet.
[17:53] And then we were literally selling like two pairs of shoes a minute as the night was going on.
[17:57] And I was just like dumbfounded.
[17:59] Like, how is this happening?
[18:00] You know?
[18:00] So I feel like if I would say to anybody who's wanting to do something, like, you've just got to try.
[18:05] And sometimes things aren't always going to work out, right?
[18:08] But you've got to keep your head on.
[18:09] Yeah.
[18:10] And, you know, everything else will work out the way it's meant to.
[18:13] Yeah.
[18:13] In fact, I would say shit goes wrong, right?
[18:16] Oh, my God.
[18:17] That's what happens when you're building a business or brand.
[18:19] Absolutely.
[18:20] Is there a more...
[18:21] more setbacks than you expect.
[18:23] But the thing that you've got to keep reminding yourself is if it was easy, everyone would do it.
[18:28] I swear to God.
[18:29] And you and I have had this conversation many times.
[18:31] We all have, right?
[18:32] Like, and that's why it's so great when we talk about each other and our relationships and what we do is,
[18:37] Keeping each other accountable.
[18:38] Making sure you're doing the things.
[18:39] Are you taking care of yourself?
[18:41] All those sorts of things, you know?
[18:42] Speaking of that, taking care of yourself.
[18:44] You're like Beyonce.
[18:45] How many hours do you have in your day?
[18:46] I don't understand how you do it.
[18:48] She goes to every bloody event.
[18:52] She's styling people.
[18:53] She's running a business.
[18:54] Taking meetings with Zach's Fifth Avenue.
[18:57] Going to New York.
[18:58] Two kids, husband, managing a household.
[19:01] Being a good friend.
[19:02] Being a great mom.
[19:03] Yeah.
[19:03] Talking us always off a ledge.
[19:05] She's our group therapist, our group counselor.
[19:07] So doing all of these things, what do you actually do for yourself?
[19:12] So give us, what's your morning routine?
[19:16] What is your day routine, beauty and wellness?
[19:17] It's changed a lot over the last couple of years.
[19:20] to be honest.
[19:20] Like I think I've really, and probably being friends with you girls who always like I listen to the potty and you're saying all the things you've got to do and I'm like, oh God, I've got to do that.
[19:29] So I think now I realise I've got to train in the morning, like I've got to do it before seven o'clock.
[19:33] So I've really changed how I've done that as well.
[19:36] So I get up in the morning,
[19:37] I have a shot of black coffee.
[19:39] I know you're not meant to do that on an empty stomach.
[19:40] Clean and say vodka.
[19:41] Oh, says who?
[19:42] Says who?
[19:42] Says who?
[19:43] It just gets me going.
[19:44] If it works for you, it works for you.
[19:45] It does.
[19:46] I can't get out of bed without a coffee either.
[19:47] No, me neither.
[19:47] Yeah, same.
[19:48] And when I'm not training, Liam's normally up and Liam brings it to me.
[19:51] So Liam's a little bit like Juddy.
[19:53] He'll bring it to me.
[19:53] I was like, I love it.
[19:54] Yeah, yeah.
[19:55] So what is it?
[19:56] Happy marriage?
[19:56] Kept me going.
[19:57] Yeah, yeah.
[19:58] Happy wife, happy life.
[19:59] Either that or get me out of the house.
[20:00] I'm not sure which one it is.
[20:02] So I do that probably the last 18 months, two years, really moved to strength training.
[20:07] I am 44 years old, so perimenopause is rife.
[20:12] And so I got my hormones checked and they were really out of whack.
[20:17] I felt particularly about 18 months ago, like I watched back a video where I was doing my talking for shoes on set and stuff, and I just looked really inflamed.
[20:25] And I was like, I am running.
[20:27] Doing everything.
[20:29] And, you know, doing the bad things that you do when you're younger and go, oh, I'll miss that meal and I'll just eat protein.
[20:34] And it's just not the way.
[20:35] And so now, you know, I'm very committed that it has to be strength training because my cortisol levels go through the roof just because...
[20:42] I think we'd already mentioned I can be Beyonce and make the hours go long.
[20:46] But as you get older, you need to have enough sleep.
[20:48] And if you don't have enough sleep, you need to make sure that you've got downtime to be able to make good judgment calls and not be stressed.
[20:55] Sleep is key.
[20:56] It is absolutely key.
[20:58] So was it a doctor who advised you to move to strength training?
[21:00] It is.
[21:01] So it was actually a doctor that, you probably don't remember this, recommended me to go and see.
[21:06] Thank God.
[21:06] You're allowed.
[21:07] I think you had her on here.
[21:09] Dr. Fatima Khan.
[21:10] Yeah, Dr. Fatima Khan.
[21:11] So Dr. Fatima Khan shared an office at that time with Dr. Michelle Torres, who I went to go and see.
[21:16] I sat in front of her and it was probably the first time I felt that someone was actually listening to me.
[21:21] You felt heard.
[21:22] I was like, I'm waking up earlier than I need to be.
[21:25] I feel like I'm really stressed all the time.
[21:28] My emotions are all over the place.
[21:29] You're crying all the time.
[21:30] I mean, we know I'm not bad for a cry.
[21:32] I'm like, I love you, Lana.
[21:33] She's like...
[21:34] Oh, I did.
[21:36] And your tears have really dried up the last 18 months.
[21:38] They have.
[21:39] They absolutely have.
[21:40] Yeah.
[21:40] And I'm appreciative of that because I feel like I've seen that.
[21:43] Yeah.
[21:44] And I do.
[21:44] I used to think, why am I feeling like this?
[21:46] And if I look back, I actually think I had symptoms of some of these things after I'd had L and L's going to be 10 next month.
[21:53] Yeah.
[21:53] So I just didn't address it.
[21:54] And I think that's the other thing as women.
[21:56] We get so busy or we go, oh, this is just part of being a girl.
[22:00] Being a mum.
[22:01] It's being a mum or we've got, oh, it's a period.
[22:03] And it's like, no, it's not.
[22:04] This is not normal.
[22:05] And do you know how many friends I've now got onto, the doctors to go fix this?
[22:10] Because what I noticed straight away with her diagnosis was, you know, you need to do the strength training and then prescribe, okay, you're lacking in estrogen and progesterone, so we need to get that sorted for you.
[22:21] And I just feel like I've been a different person.
[22:23] I also then went and spoke to somebody.
[22:25] I spoke to my gym because they've got,
[22:27] those facilities there to kind of go, what are the things I need to be eating?
[22:29] I was lacking protein.
[22:31] I lack iron, which was explaining feeling fatigued.
[22:34] So I just feel like when you get those things in line and then trying to couple that with, you know, not sort of taking on more than you need to.
[22:43] So having strong personal boundaries in place.
[22:46] Which is something that,
[22:47] I've been working on Bex smiling at me for those that are watching.
[22:50] Just say no.
[22:51] Just say no.
[22:52] Because I would really say this and I've got better at it probably because I've had to because of the business.
[22:57] I've got a team of six people.
[22:59] Your bandwidth is not there.
[23:01] And you guys know I'm the first person that if you need someone to talk, I'm there.
[23:05] I'm actually better at other people's stuff than I'm on my own.
[23:08] Yeah.
[23:08] But I also was like, there was getting a point there where I was like, I'm actually not looking after myself here.
[23:17] way I am with the people I care about the most.
[23:19] So I'd be finding that like, whether it be with clients or, you know, family and things like that, you're not your best version.
[23:25] Because when you give all of your energy, which you do, you are such a giver.
[23:28] When you give it to everyone else, there is, your cup is completely drained.
[23:33] Then when you go home, it affects everyone else.
[23:36] Absolutely.
[23:37] And then you're not actually having meaningful conversations or you're not present.
[23:41] You know, like even little things I've started to do now is like put the phone down.
[23:44] Like, you know, when your kids are talking to you and
[23:46] You're seeing them.
[23:47] You're looking at them.
[23:47] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[23:48] But I'm not thinking, I'm going, I've got to do this.
[23:50] I've got to be up early because America's going to be calling or I've got to do this and we've got to get these orders in.
[23:54] Like it's a lot, but it's only a lot if you don't start to unpack what is driving this.
[23:59] this need to be a yes person.
[24:01] Yeah.
[24:02] And I think for me, one of the things I've really tried to work on is like focus on the things that you can control what you can.
[24:08] Because I very quickly realized, particularly, you know, having the business I've got now, is you can't actually control everything.
[24:15] Things are going to happen.
[24:16] Life happens.
[24:17] But it's how you roll and how you keep your well-being in check.
[24:22] that enables you to be able to thrive.
[24:23] Yeah, mentally and mentally.
[24:24] And just better attack, be a better problem solver.
[24:28] 100%.
[24:28] If you're running on cortisol, like you're running on stress levels, you're just running to an early grade.
[24:32] Yeah, yeah.
[24:33] And you're also just making wild decisions and just unhinged, not thought about.
[24:37] Like I know when I haven't slept or...
[24:39] I'm so stressed.
[24:40] I just go, yep, yep, yep.
[24:42] And then I overload everything and it's just all downfall.
[24:45] I think we're, I mean, Will and I have spoken about this a lot.
[24:47] I feel like in a lot of times you just get overwhelmed because you're like, hang on a second, if I just write a quick list, this actually isn't a lot.
[24:52] Yeah, or maybe just pick up my phone because I never...
[24:54] ever.
[24:55] I've told you to use notes.
[24:56] I literally, I'm like I'm at school and I will tick it off.
[24:59] I'm shocking.
[25:00] I put my phone down and I won't look at that phone for five or six hours.
[25:03] Like I pick it up five or six hours later.
[25:05] I've got missed calls from everyone, text messages.
[25:08] Then I'm overwhelmed.
[25:09] I'm like, if I just had my phone in my hand, I could have executed all these things.
[25:12] But then you've constantly got your phone in the
[25:14] I have let go of not punishing myself for that because I think that's just part of the business that we're in.
[25:21] I think probably if we go back to the question where you said, like, what is it that you do for yourself?
[25:25] Probably the thing I beat myself up about that I really want to work on this year is prioritising things like go and get a facial if you need it.
[25:31] Yeah.
[25:32] A massage.
[25:34] Oh, that I do.
[25:36] At 11 o'clock at night.
[25:37] That I do.
[25:37] Okay.
[25:38] At 11 o'clock at night.
[25:39] Who comes and gives you a massage at 11?
[25:40] Weekly.
[25:41] There is an app.
[25:41] Yeah.
[25:43] There is an app that you can use.
[25:45] Okay, let's do this.
[25:46] They're fantastic and I would highly recommend Natalia.
[25:49] Natalia at Bliss, B-L-Y-S.
[25:53] They come to your house.
[25:54] So this is something that I do do particularly like –
[25:58] August through to December, it's sort of my non-negotiable, which sounds silly to go like a massage, but that's sort of when I can't be on my phone.
[26:05] Yeah.
[26:06] And I do get a little bit stressed and tense, as you know.
[26:09] And I think as well, I also travel a lot in that time.
[26:11] Like, usually I'm in New York for the bye in September and I literally run on three, four hours a night there.
[26:16] And then you're styling everyone for a brown load.
[26:17] And then we come back and races and that.
[26:19] You literally come back from New York and go straight to crown for the brown load.
[26:22] That's exactly what I do.
[26:23] And you're styling a million girls and into races, into... Yeah.
[26:27] craziness.
[26:28] So I think that forces me for 60 or 90 minutes to do that.
[26:31] So that's sort of a non-negotiable thing.
[26:33] So Bliss, Bliss Massage.
[26:35] They do lots of things, but Bliss Massage.
[26:36] So B-L-Y-S is an app and you download it and I just always go, re-book, re-book.
[26:41] And they come to your house.
[26:42] They come to your house.
[26:43] Because I know I've been at Linus because I'm usually the girl that's the day before Darby Day going, oh shit, I haven't organised anything.
[26:48] Every year.
[26:50] Going over there at like nine o'clock at night, drinking wine, trying to throw a look together.
[26:54] And then she's like, oh, I've got my lady coming over at 11.30 tonight for a massage.
[26:58] I'm sitting there going like, and then at 1am I'm getting a spray tan.
[27:02] Yes.
[27:02] At 1am in the morning.
[27:03] So this Bliss app.
[27:04] Yes.
[27:05] Do you book your spray tans and everything on there as well?
[27:08] What do they offer?
[27:08] No, well, the spray tans, I've got the Spray Oz girls, so I get them to come and they do them all.
[27:12] And 1am in the morning.
[27:13] Which Paul Spray Oz girls comes at 1am?
[27:15] Do you know what?
[27:16] Well, usually it's probably more like 10.00.
[27:18] I feel like because Em and Al and the team have been doing everybody ahead of Darby Eve, especially Brown though.
[27:24] We do it at Crown.
[27:25] They tack you on the end.
[27:26] Yeah, yeah.
[27:26] So we've got so many stories of like, we're in service.
[27:30] That's just what you do.
[27:31] Yeah, yeah.
[27:32] And the reason that we're excellent at our jobs is it's all about the clients and then it's like, okay, for the last couple of hours of the night, it's about us.
[27:39] And I think that's probably one of the reasons that business has been successful.
[27:42] I think that's the reason I've been successful is that's how you roll.
[27:45] And I think that's how you do build great businesses.
[27:47] Don't make it about you.
[27:48] If your work's great, it'll come.
[27:51] So I think that's worked for us.
[27:53] So that's probably one of my non-negotiables.
[27:55] Getting a spray tan is also one of those just to feel better.
[27:58] Weekly massage.
[27:59] Sometimes a couple.
[27:59] Depending on events.
[28:01] Like when you guys have thrown me today, I was like, oh, it's Monday.
[28:04] I have to get one on Sunday night.
[28:05] So you've got to spray tan to come in to do a podcast where we don't really shoot videos for our podcast.
[28:10] But there'll be photos.
[28:11] There'll be photos.
[28:12] We're still going to be on brand.
[28:13] I'm literally for the rest of it.
[28:14] I've got to be on brand for my girls.
[28:16] I know.
[28:17] You do, you do.
[28:18] But they're the things too that for me is like an armour, right?
[28:20] That's my confidence key, right?
[28:23] And I think one of the things I've wanted to do, I've definitely focused more on as I've got older too, spending more on different skincares to make sure that like –
[28:31] I can be a bit fresher if I don't have that time.
[28:33] And I think that's where, you know, when people talk about what your routine is, I can honestly tell you I'm a basic bitch.
[28:39] I really am.
[28:40] I just do those.
[28:40] So you get up, black coffee, go to the gym.
[28:43] Go to the gym.
[28:43] Then I'll come back home.
[28:45] Usually I wash my hair more than I should probably a couple of times, but that's because I've got extensions in.
[28:49] So I feel like when I go to the gym, it's...
[28:51] It just gets sweaty.
[28:52] It's just gross.
[28:52] So I love those girls and I'm just not one of them.
[28:55] You know the people that can go to the gym and they look like they're in like a brand ad?
[28:58] I know.
[28:59] It's just not me.
[29:00] And I used to feel like if I don't look like I've done the work, then I haven't worked out.
[29:04] You haven't worked out.
[29:04] Yeah.
[29:05] Right?
[29:05] So I'll do that.
[29:06] Then I'll do my three-step process, your serums, your cleansers, get out the door.
[29:11] But I do think because I really focus on that now, that's helped a lot with how I'm feeling.
[29:16] Yeah.
[29:17] So then I'll usually do school drop-offs and then I head straight into the office and then straight into emails, on conference calls, etc.
[29:24] So then we just power through till six o'clock, doll.
[29:27] Supplements?
[29:28] Do you take any?
[29:28] Do you know what?
[29:29] I've started taking, and full transparency, it's been because we have friends who are doing great things.
[29:33] So Sally Obermeter sends me her stuff, Anna Heinrich, so I take her sleep one now.
[29:38] Oh, maybe I need that.
[29:39] I feel like it's just really helps me get on with my day.
[29:42] And honestly, just eating properly because I wasn't.
[29:45] I'd make excuses.
[29:46] Oh, I'm on set.
[29:47] I'll just pick at this.
[29:48] It's like that.
[29:49] As you get older, particularly, you need to feel your body.
[29:53] Yeah.
[29:53] And I do think I probably look and feel the best I've ever looked because for the first time I've
[29:58] I'm eating properly.
[29:59] So what are you eating during the day?
[30:01] I usually have like scrambled eggs on toast.
[30:03] I know they say you should have just protein.
[30:05] Yeah, yeah.
[30:06] Eggs are so filling.
[30:07] They're so filling.
[30:08] You know what?
[30:09] Oh, they are for me.
[30:09] They are.
[30:10] But do you know what else I need?
[30:11] A carb.
[30:12] I need a carb.
[30:14] I have carbs.
[30:14] I used to say don't have carbs.
[30:15] You can't actually function if you don't have carbs.
[30:18] I don't usually have a lot of carbs on the diet.
[30:20] after like seven o'clock.
[30:21] But I think I eat earlier now because my kids are at that age where you feed them early before we've got to go do netball or before we do things.
[30:27] I'll always have that.
[30:28] If I'm on the run, I'll be a bit cheeky and get like... Chase bagger from McDonald's.
[30:31] A hundred percent.
[30:32] A ham and cheese pocket from McDonald's.
[30:37] Oh!
[30:37] At 10.30.
[30:37] I've never heard of a ham and cheese pocket.
[30:39] Are you joking?
[30:40] I used to drive to your house.
[30:42] They used to get me through spring racing.
[30:43] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[30:44] Okay.
[30:45] And then I remember they took a break from it for a while, which was devastating.
[30:49] I was like, and they go, you've got to get it 4, 10, 30 though.
[30:51] Like they will not serve it to you.
[30:52] Oh, it's like a breakfast thing.
[30:53] Yeah, so it's in a wrap.
[30:55] And so it's light, right?
[30:56] But it's filling.
[30:57] You know when you're just like on the go?
[30:58] Yeah.
[30:59] And I never used to go through McDonald's.
[31:01] I can't believe it.
[31:01] There's a couple of times when it's crazy busy in September where you're at fittings and then you're going to shoot.
[31:06] I don't.
[31:07] So sometimes I don't get to do, and I could.
[31:09] It's no excuse.
[31:10] But I just kind of go, time's a commodity.
[31:12] Don't waste it.
[31:13] Cooking up something, just get in the car, get moving.
[31:15] Because you know what I'm like?
[31:16] I could never be accused of being on
[31:18] So I'm working on it.
[31:21] I've done a lot of work on myself.
[31:23] Yeah, good.
[31:24] 2026.
[31:24] 2026 is my year.
[31:26] So and then lunch now, I'll definitely have like fish, salad or like chicken.
[31:30] Like I'm really big on the protein and then kind of boring, do the same thing at night.
[31:33] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[31:34] Do you cook or does Liam, your gorgeous husband, cook?
[31:36] Oh, no, Liam cook.
[31:36] Liam is the cook.
[31:38] That's why I don't need – My next life, my next husband's going to be a chef.
[31:41] I literally – Liam is like I could not do life without him.
[31:45] I'm the first person to say that.
[31:46] I mean, I clean like a weapon, as you know.
[31:48] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[31:48] You come over to my house and clean too.
[31:50] I do, I do.
[31:50] You know where my vacuum is.
[31:51] I do, I do.
[31:51] You know where my paper towel is.
[31:53] I do, I do.
[31:53] Baby, you're running out of paper towel.
[31:55] You've got to put an order in.
[31:55] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[31:57] And like if anyone leaves glasses on her benches, I'm like picking them up.
[32:00] Wrapping them down.
[32:01] But that's my ad value.
[32:02] But I also think that's where I need my energy to go.
[32:04] I'm not great at sitting still.
[32:06] And I used to think that that was something I had to apologise for.
[32:08] I'm like, it's not actually.
[32:10] Like I wouldn't be able to do what I do if I didn't operate like that.
[32:13] So the things I used to beat myself up about, I kind of just embrace now.
[32:17] And I think...
[32:18] Cleaning is also a workout.
[32:19] But yeah, I agree.
[32:20] But I also feel like, and I reckon we could all probably attest to this, I feel like when you're taking better care of yourself and you look better, like some of that negative self-talk, to which I had plenty of it, I just feel like I've kind of combated it as best I can now.
[32:34] Like at the end of the day, it's like...
[32:36] this is who you are.
[32:37] Like, take it or leave it.
[32:38] You know what I mean?
[32:39] And I think also having, you know, children as we do, young impressionable girls and boys, but, you know, you're a mirror to how you speak about yourself.
[32:48] So that was really something I wanted to focus on to make sure that, you know.
[32:51] Yeah, that and all the things you can do.
[32:53] It also comes with, I think, just once you hit your 40s, if something changes, I'd noticed it straight away.
[32:58] I just stopped caring about what other people thought of me and was just so much more accepting of myself.
[33:05] And if you don't like it, I don't care.
[33:06] Yeah, and I think that's the thing, but I think it's who you surround yourself with, right?
[33:09] Like I'm around you guys and that's how we think now.
[33:12] But I think over the journey, particularly in peak styling, when you're running around doing things, like I remember having Elle and then –
[33:19] fitting with Elise Knowles for Fashion Week.
[33:22] And this was all me going, if I don't do this, someone else will take this job and won't be able to do it.
[33:28] I hadn't even gone to the bathroom yet, you know, after you have your baby.
[33:31] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[33:32] Hang on, they let you out of the hospital before you'd been to the bathroom?
[33:34] Yep.
[33:35] Did you lie?
[33:36] I lie.
[33:37] Yes.
[33:38] I lied.
[33:39] I was like, get me out of here.
[33:40] Mine's okay.
[33:41] Mine's like, did you really do it?
[33:43] And I was like, no.
[33:45] Because I thought they're going to ask for evidence and I said that I pooed and I didn't.
[33:49] Yeah, 100%.
[33:50] And it was like I was held prisoner in that hospital until.
[33:53] No, and you don't need to be shit shamed.
[33:55] Shit shamed.
[33:56] Shit shamed.
[33:58] I got to day six and still hadn't shut.
[33:59] And they're like, you've got to fuck off, Jess.
[34:01] No, mine.
[34:02] Two weeks.
[34:03] Mine, I think, was maybe two days after that.
[34:05] But I remember there's a beautiful photo that I've got of her holding out.
[34:09] Of Elise holding out.
[34:10] Of Elise holding out.
[34:11] And Elise is like, Lance, you shouldn't be doing this.
[34:12] No, no, no, I've got this.
[34:13] But you know what I'll say?
[34:14] I mean, a lot of people go, you shouldn't have done that.
[34:16] Yeah.
[34:17] You know what?
[34:18] You do you.
[34:19] Like for me, I liked being able to be feeling like myself.
[34:23] Yeah.
[34:23] So that's the other thing.
[34:25] And I think they're the things we sometimes need to tell ourselves, right?
[34:27] I think when you're pregnant as well, you don't feel like yourself at all.
[34:29] So when that baby's out, you're like, I can move freely.
[34:31] I can.
[34:32] I can do this.
[34:32] And it's funny because I feel like... And I'm still me.
[34:35] Yeah.
[34:36] And I remember, it's funny, the stories, even as I'm sitting here that are coming to my mind, I remember...
[34:40] when I was pregnant with Ava, Beck texted me and I just had her and my milk hadn't come in and you had said, you know what, don't worry.
[34:48] If you start crying, it's fine.
[34:49] Like this is normal.
[34:50] The milk's going to come in day three.
[34:53] But you think because I was so done, I was just ready to be like, okay, I'm ready to have this baby.
[34:57] I can be in control.
[34:59] I was fine.
[34:59] And in fact, the only time I cried was when I had to be in Marissa's wedding five days later after having a cesarean.
[35:05] And the lady said to me, I don't know that we can make your dress fit.
[35:08] And I'm like, yes, you can.
[35:10] So even after birth, the only thing I cried about was a dress.
[35:13] You're so bad.
[35:15] You're so bad.
[35:17] I love it.
[35:17] Absolutely.
[35:22] I love it.
[35:23] So good.
[35:25] Our listeners love to know, is there an affordable beauty product that you genuinely swear by, like a supermarket or a chemist buy?
[35:32] I don't know if it's a supermarket or a chemist buy.
[35:35] I really love the Maybelline Mascara.
[35:37] It's always been my go-to.
[35:38] I just feel like it gives me extra long lashes.
[35:40] Yeah.
[35:41] The Lancôme Renogy, that one's really good.
[35:44] That's really good when you're just on the go.
[35:46] The moisturiser.
[35:47] The moisturiser.
[35:48] That's really good when you're on the go.
[35:50] I think, look, Lancôme's really amazing because it is accessible.
[35:53] I think the packaging's really beautiful too.
[35:55] So if you need to have some nice stuff on your bathroom, not that it's about how things look, but I don't know, work in fashion, I feel like I can say that.
[36:01] So their products are really great.
[36:03] Obviously, Spray Oz, I use a lot of their moisturising tan all the time.
[36:06] So, you know, I think those things are just like, they're kind of my go-tos for like when you're in the car.
[36:12] Absolutely.
[36:13] Absolutely.
[36:14] So, and I think the Maybelline Concealer is really good as well when you're on the go.
[36:17] Oh, I love that.
[36:18] Or just sometimes when it's like I'm not going to get to Mecca, you know what I mean?
[36:23] I'm just like I just need something quick.
[36:24] And I am notorious, as you know, not whilst driving, but because I am often not on time, I'll be like parked and like putting makeup in the car.
[36:33] Yeah, yeah.
[36:34] Touch up.
[36:35] If you could only keep one beauty or wellness product or treatment, what would it be and why?
[36:41] Ooh...
[36:43] I'm going to say it again, spray tans.
[36:45] Why are we the spray tans?
[36:47] I don't know.
[36:47] There's no shame.
[36:48] There's no shame.
[36:49] Well, because I feel like I look unwell and I don't have one.
[36:52] Same.
[36:53] I think people are like, are you okay?
[36:54] I'm like, no, this is me without a spray tan.
[36:56] Yeah.
[36:57] So I feel like that's kind of my go-to.
[36:59] And I think as well, you know, we've sort of unpacked here.
[37:01] I like having a hum and that gives me that.
[37:03] Like even when we were overseas, remember, every night everyone would go to bed after we'd been out and I'm sitting there and I'm like, what are you doing, Liz?
[37:10] And I've got the glove.
[37:11] And I was like... Ram in the morning in Ibiza.
[37:13] And I was gloving myself.
[37:15] I was like, no, I need to look...
[37:17] I was gloving myself.
[37:18] That sounds a little bit different.
[37:19] There's a different picture in my head right now.
[37:22] I was literally in that room and I'm literally like... And the boys would wake up in the morning, Val and Chris and Liam, I'm like literally seeping tans in my pyjamas.
[37:31] But by the end, I was like, I'm not even hiding it anymore.
[37:34] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[37:35] I feel like whatever you need to do.
[37:38] I feel like that's something for me that's an armour, for sure.
[37:40] Yeah, yeah.
[37:41] Are there any wellness trends that you quietly ignore even though everyone else is doing it?
[37:46] So one of the things on my radar, which probably explains the tan, is fractional skin resurfacing laser.
[37:53] Yes.
[37:54] It's a mouthful, but it's also, there's a lot of downtime, which is why I've put it off.
[37:57] Yeah.
[37:58] And when we hear brand names that are associated with that, people throw around terms like Fraxel.
[38:03] Yeah.
[38:03] When you hear this brand name Fraxel, what it is is actually a fractional skin resurfacing laser.
[38:08] That's it.
[38:08] I want that too.
[38:09] We need it.
[38:10] And you're amazing, but I'm happy to just do it with you so I've got someone to talk to for two weeks.
[38:15] Because that's one of the reasons I don't.
[38:16] It's like I am so time poor.
[38:18] Like we are running brands and businesses and podcasts and it's a lot.
[38:22] Yeah, but when you do that here, it's all covered up.
[38:24] But you do your face and your neck and your daughter at the same time.
[38:27] If you're going to do it and you're knocking 14 days, you just do it.
[38:30] So I booked in for it last year and the year before.
[38:32] And then I started booking work afterwards.
[38:34] And then you also can't go in the sun afterwards.
[38:36] You have to do it in winter.
[38:38] But then we always go to Broome or somewhere.
[38:39] They're sunny.
[38:39] Yeah, that's right.
[38:40] So it's so hard to get it in, but I've made a commitment.
[38:43] We can do this together.
[38:44] Jess, jump on board.
[38:45] Yeah, we need to lock it in.
[38:46] We can all do it at the same time.
[38:48] I've done it once before.
[38:49] For me personally, it got rid of all my pigmentation.
[38:52] It went so deep that it made my skin just appear clearer and cleaner.
[38:56] It's one of those ones that dermatologists really recommend for full research.
[39:00] Yeah, and 100%, I'll say it out loud here, that is by far my deepest insecurity.
[39:04] I just feel like there's marks on my legs that I've had.
[39:07] I had a treatment where I had some moles removed, like laser, and I'd had a tan on and I had no business getting that done, that it's now like I've got scarring on my leg.
[39:17] Because they didn't know that you had a tan on.
[39:19] Yeah.
[39:19] And they should have told you.
[39:20] Yeah.
[39:21] Well, there was sort of a mid-discussion, but I think maybe what I even did not put my hand up like afterwards, maybe didn't follow procedures.
[39:27] I'm not sure, but it should never have had it done.
[39:29] Yeah.
[39:29] And when your business is your legs, because you're in shoes, that's a bit of a problem.
[39:33] So it is something that's an insecurity.
[39:35] So I need to make the time.
[39:35] I think that's actually, sorry to interrupt, but that's really important to flag.
[39:38] If you have a tan or a spray tan, you cannot get laser.
[39:41] Do not get laser.
[39:42] I went the other day to get a laser and I got sent away because I had remnants of a spray tan.
[39:48] And when I went in, she said, have you got any tan on?
[39:50] I went, nope.
[39:50] And then when she really had a closer look, she said, I can't treat you today.
[39:55] You need to go.
[39:56] And I said, but I haven't got a spray tan.
[39:57] She goes, think back, when did you last put any type of tan on?
[40:00] And I said, two weeks ago.
[40:02] She goes, it's from two weeks ago.
[40:04] And she said, I cannot because I will scar you.
[40:06] And you know what?
[40:07] That is a great, great person and practitioner that you should be going to because that didn't happen to me.
[40:12] Yeah.
[40:13] And I don't have any all harm about it.
[40:15] It's all learnings, right?
[40:16] But it's just things that you go, oh, I just don't like that.
[40:19] So it's something that I really want to work on.
[40:21] The other thing I've regretted doing is fillers.
[40:24] I had, which probably led to the other thing that I had to do as a result of that, but I went on this whole, yeah, everyone needs to have filler.
[40:32] You know, when everyone was getting it, I was like, oh, cool, and loved it in my lips.
[40:35] I was like, love this for me.
[40:36] This is how I'm meant to be with this toothy joker grin.
[40:39] But the pain and the way I looked, I looked deformed.
[40:41] I remember we were at a lady's like charity lunch or something, and I'd done a selfie with someone.
[40:47] And I was literally Blinky Bill.
[40:49] You know that character, the koala?
[40:51] You got Blinky?
[40:52] Yeah.
[40:52] I forgot about that.
[40:54] Yeah.
[40:54] Like I was like looking like my eye was sloping.
[40:56] It turned out my muscle had relaxed anyway.
[40:58] So I had to get all the filler taken out and I've just never touched it since.
[41:02] Since, yeah.
[41:02] Ever.
[41:03] Ever.
[41:03] For that reason.
[41:04] It's just a bad one.
[41:05] Yes.
[41:06] You and I both had the same eye filler disaster.
[41:09] We've spoken about mine on here before.
[41:11] We're overfilled, cooked the skin underneath, ended up getting it dissolved more hollow than before.
[41:16] How do we fix this?
[41:17] And, yeah, it's ongoing.
[41:20] Always.
[41:20] Are you happy to share your story about your eyes and your tear trough filler?
[41:25] Because you got yours dissolved too, right?
[41:26] I got mine dissolved and I had it done twice.
[41:28] So you'd think I would have learnt the first time.
[41:30] Did you get it dissolved because it was puffy or did it migrate?
[41:32] Oh, no.
[41:32] It was a bit of both, actually.
[41:34] And there was a photo where I felt like I looked like the Catwoman.
[41:37] You know where it's like everything was pushed up?
[41:39] And I've got this pointy chin that was just – Yeah.
[41:42] I just – it was awful.
[41:43] I just looked a bit deformed, to be honest.
[41:45] Yeah.
[41:45] And I was like, this is, like, not okay.
[41:47] Okay.
[41:47] Was it painful getting it all dissolved?
[41:49] Oh, it was excruciating.
[41:50] So you didn't just do your eyes or do your cheeks or everything.
[41:53] Everything at once.
[41:53] Everything.
[41:54] It stings.
[41:54] It stings.
[41:55] It burns.
[41:56] It burns.
[41:57] It feels like something like pulling out.
[41:58] Yeah.
[41:59] And I find anti-wrinkle injections, which I get regularly, I find that a bit painful.
[42:03] So I just sit on the phone the whole time.
[42:05] Like I can't, I can't, I can't.
[42:06] I bite my tongue.
[42:07] Every time the needle goes in, I bite my tongue so I can bleed sometimes.
[42:10] And so feel it.
[42:11] Yeah.
[42:12] And so if we go back to why I know I'll definitely end up doing the resurfacing with the skin is because I remember I was chatting to Beck and I was like, I need to get this sorted because every photo I was in, and, you know, I also were talking before about being mirrors to our kids and things like that.
[42:27] Like at the end of the day, I don't want to be sitting there like altering every image of myself because I don't like how I look.
[42:33] Like, at the end of the day, sometimes you've got to lean in and go, this is how you are.
[42:36] And I'd had a conversation with Bec and she's like, have you ever thought about upper and lower blood surgery?
[42:41] And I was like, well, now I'm thinking about it.
[42:43] Yeah.
[42:43] Like, what does it entail?
[42:45] And so off I went to Dr. Benjamin Burt and best decision I ever made.
[42:50] Like, changed the way I looked at myself, the way makeup looks on me.
[42:54] Wasn't a painful situation.
[42:56] I was giving this one updates regularly.
[42:58] is this right does this look the way it's been to yeah like so I think that was I want to say maybe 18 months ago maybe I think is that about right about 18 months ago yeah and you girls knew yeah I was FaceTiming you you were FaceTiming other people other people I was like it's so strange like now I probably would just post it you know what I mean yeah yeah yeah because you don't want other people looking going what has she done I'm happy to tell you I probably just wasn't going to blast it at that time you know
[43:21] But then also like your Instagram is, you know, beauty, fashion, shoes.
[43:25] Yeah.
[43:26] It's not kind of that –
[43:30] Yeah, it's like... You're more aesthetic in your posting.
[43:33] Yeah, yeah.
[43:33] You're not posting funny stuff over your kids or your house blowing up or just on your stories.
[43:39] Exactly.
[43:40] But I feel like as well in saying that, it's like in that moment, it's funny when I'm talking about now, because I don't want somebody like looking going, oh, I feel bad about myself.
[43:48] I want to look like that.
[43:48] It's like, well, I put my hand in my pocket and I made that happen, you know.
[43:52] And I think we sometimes are sort of made to feel like, oh, you're cheating or it's shame.
[43:56] It's like I'm just putting everything back where it should have been.
[43:58] Sure.
[43:58] It should have been.
[43:59] And also, I can see better now.
[44:01] You're better now.
[44:02] Oh, and everything looks better.
[44:03] Like people are like, what's she done?
[44:04] It's like, and I noticed, I don't know if you did, Bec, as well.
[44:06] Like, I mean, I did mine both at the same time.
[44:09] It was six days.
[44:10] And I reckon by day three or four, I had a bit of bruising, but it wasn't too crazy.
[44:15] So you healed pretty well.
[44:16] Yeah.
[44:17] Like I was at a wedding, I think, seven days later with a full face on.
[44:20] I mean, I looked a little bit puffy, but still better than what I did.
[44:23] Yeah, with all the filler.
[44:25] 100%.
[44:26] So would you say that's your most vain moment?
[44:29] Yes, I have another one.
[44:30] Oh, you have another one?
[44:31] I have another one.
[44:32] My other most main moment that I think changed my appearance was probably getting my teeth done.
[44:37] But that was a result, as you know, we've spoken about this because Dr. Val...
[44:42] I wish I'd known Val then.
[44:43] But I mean, in saying that, I'm very happy with my teeth.
[44:46] But before I got married to Liam, I went to somebody that I would describe was like going to a GP when you need a breast augmentation.
[44:53] Like a bad decision.
[44:55] Backyard.
[44:55] Didn't do what I do now.
[44:57] So I didn't have those relationships.
[44:58] Didn't have, you know, podcasts like yours to take notes from and go somewhere, you know.
[45:03] So I was sort of like late 20s and had four veneers put in my teeth because I'd had a lot of dental work.
[45:09] My jaw probably needed to be broken when I was younger.
[45:11] But I wasn't doing that.
[45:13] And then I'd seen that happen to a girlfriend, changes her face.
[45:15] I was like, not doing that.
[45:17] And, you know, you just do those things when you're getting married, right?
[45:19] I've got to do all the things.
[45:20] It's like, don't do all the things.
[45:22] And if you are, go to the right people.
[45:24] But I had my front four teeth taken out and it was an awful situation.
[45:28] One went black.
[45:29] Anyway.
[45:30] Oh, no.
[45:30] So when I actually had the means and the guidance, I was like, I'm going to get this rectified.
[45:37] There was discussion about putting braces on, but because there were no teeth at the front anymore, which is excruciating.
[45:43] And you want to talk about vein, when that comes out, when they have to fix them, it is horror.
[45:47] And I can't believe I ever let somebody do that to me.
[45:49] But you wouldn't have known.
[45:51] I didn't.
[45:51] You know, a lot of people don't know when getting veneers, like what the process is and what they actually do to your teeth.
[45:56] Yes.
[45:57] To get there.
[45:57] That's right.
[45:58] You went in blind, babe.
[45:59] I went, oh, absolutely.
[46:01] And people are still going in blind.
[46:02] They are.
[46:03] And that's why it's really important, like when Val's on, listen.
[46:05] Like, you know, you've got to have the right people.
[46:07] And I was fortunate enough that it has been rectified and fixed now and it's great.
[46:11] And it really did, like,
[46:13] give me a hundred percent like we'd go to events together and there's photos of me where i'm like i'm not smiling and you know when you're talking to camera and you're looking at yourself so my advice to anybody is like be vain like do those things like the amount of time i wasted and obviously too you know i'd saved up and did all those things but like do the things that make you happy you don't worry about anybody else you've got one life that's it yeah
[46:35] And I think teeth is such a big one.
[46:37] Massive.
[46:37] Someone's smile is one of the first things that you notice.
[46:39] Absolutely.
[46:40] And the confidence and the empowerment that comes from a beautiful smile changes your world.
[46:45] When you talk to someone, do you look at them in their eyes or do you look at their mouth?
[46:49] See, I look straight at the mouth.
[46:50] I do as well.
[46:51] I look at the mouth first and then I look at everything else.
[46:53] Me too.
[46:54] Me too.
[46:54] You've got good eyes.
[46:55] Oh, my God.
[46:56] Yeah.
[46:56] Your eyes, how are your pupils that colour?
[46:59] And then I'll look at everything.
[47:00] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[47:01] I must admit, I notice teeth.
[47:02] Yeah, I notice, yeah.
[47:03] I look at someone's mouth and it's only when I'm confident or know the person I'll look them in the eyes.
[47:07] I feel like as well, these are the things that I say to people and I'm sure any of your friends that ask the same thing.
[47:13] But when anyone asks me what I should do and where you spend your money,
[47:16] I always say anything from your neck up, it's like that's the thing everyone sees.
[47:19] You know, so if you want to trial something, don't do it with the things that are from the neck up because they're the things you can't hide with clothing that you can't conceal.
[47:28] So do your research, go to the right people.
[47:30] You know, if you can, save up if it's something that's a bit costly or wait until you can.
[47:35] Just go to the right people.
[47:37] That's my advice, I think.
[47:38] Yeah.
[47:38] And don't do the under eye tear trough filler.
[47:40] No, don't do that.
[47:41] I plastic surgery to fix it as Lana and I did.
[47:44] And now I'm like, do I need to get that?
[47:46] What do you call it?
[47:46] Fat crafting?
[47:47] Yeah, maybe.
[47:48] So we had Dr. Andrew Greensmith on to talk about that.
[47:52] What I'm seeing so much now all over Instagram is that.
[47:56] fat grafting all over the face so there's an amazing woman her name's susan yara she runs the glow lab podcast and she also owns is it that do you say like naturia brand it's at sephora she recently sold it to elf beauty like she's so insane but she looks like she's just had a full facelift right she's very open with all her cosmetic procedures and lots of things done
[48:20] And she was recently on her podcast and she said, everyone's saying that I've had a facelift.
[48:25] She goes, I actually haven't.
[48:26] I've had full face fat grafting from her temples, her forehead, under her eyes, her cheeks, her jawline, everything.
[48:35] She looks so fresh and it was non-surgical.
[48:38] I mean, it still is.
[48:39] You still need a general.
[48:40] They still have to harvest the fat, spin it and pop it in your face.
[48:44] Mm-hmm.
[48:45] But it's like this facial reshaping now.
[48:47] This is the trend that people are doing before going down that whole deep plain facelift journey is using your own fat.
[48:55] It's not a filler.
[48:56] It doesn't migrate.
[48:57] It's natural.
[48:58] A lot of it dies off, so you've got to put it in the right spots.
[49:01] But have a look at her face.
[49:03] You know, I will.
[49:03] She looks insane.
[49:05] And I think they're the things, right?
[49:07] Because you go, you're front facing, you're talking, you know, I'm now...
[49:11] because I'm travelling so much overseas, like over there, they just do everything.
[49:15] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[49:16] And there's no shame on it.
[49:17] They're just like, this is us, this is what we do, you just do it.
[49:19] And I'm like, I love that and I love, that's why it's so great that you girls are doing what you're doing.
[49:24] It's such an important thing because there shouldn't be any shame in wanting to better yourself if it makes you feel good.
[49:29] There's so many things that it gets tied to.
[49:31] And we're also here to de-influence and say don't do the teardrop filler.
[49:34] No, absolutely.
[49:35] Look at this option instead.
[49:36] Let's get this professional on.
[49:38] This is what's happening right now.
[49:39] This is the latest research.
[49:40] Yeah, and for our kids looking at social media, they're thinking, oh, my God, these girls look like this.
[49:45] No.
[49:45] Because they're born like that.
[49:47] No.
[49:47] No, they're not.
[49:47] They've all had plastic surgery.
[49:49] They've all had anti-wrinkles.
[49:50] They've got filler.
[49:50] They get spray tans.
[49:52] They dye their hair.
[49:53] They're years.
[49:53] We pull out our greys.
[49:54] Pluck out our greys.
[49:55] These aren't my nails.
[49:57] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[49:58] Are these mine?
[49:59] Are they yours?
[50:00] No, these are not.
[50:00] I've got the gel over the top.
[50:01] These are not mine.
[50:02] Just don't get nails.
[50:03] Yeah.
[50:04] No, I feel like that's the thing people don't talk about is the maintenance, right, as you're getting older or if you're doing things where you're – they're the things I think if we talk about me being veinish, that's 100%.
[50:13] Like, I don't sort of sacrifice that because it does make me feel good.
[50:17] Like, I need to move to a different country.
[50:18] It's so expensive.
[50:19] Yeah.
[50:19] It really is.
[50:20] To do all of these things.
[50:22] Do you know, you just need to move states, babe.
[50:24] Go to WA, Perth, where it's at.
[50:26] It's where it's at.
[50:27] It's cheaper there, isn't it?
[50:28] Weather's better too.
[50:28] A lot cheaper.
[50:29] A lot cheaper.
[50:30] A lot cheaper.
[50:30] We've just got to lock in that time, right?
[50:32] That's the main thing is the time.
[50:34] Oh, you know what?
[50:34] I'll happily walk around bandaged up down the street.
[50:37] Well, I ended up walking.
[50:38] I walked out in pyjamas.
[50:39] Like, whatever.
[50:41] Oh, true.
[50:41] You're starting from a low base.
[50:43] Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
[50:44] And I definitely didn't lie to anyone.
[50:45] Like, I remember going to netball.
[50:47] Because, you know, when you start getting cabin fever, I was like, I've got to get out.
[50:50] And luckily, you know, wear my big glasses.
[50:53] But if any of the mums are asking me,
[50:55] what have you done?
[50:56] I just was honest.
[50:57] I was like, that's what I'm doing.
[50:58] And then it's like, where do I go?
[50:59] What do I do?
[50:59] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[51:00] And I actually think there's this conversation that starts, it's so honest and genuine and you realise actually no one's judging you.
[51:06] Most people are like, can you tell me?
[51:08] You know?
[51:08] So I think that's if I could say to my younger self because I wish I had done it earlier.
[51:11] I remember there's lots of things I want to do and I'm like, just do it, you know?
[51:15] And again, you know, you've got to find the right time and things like that but just, you only got one life.
[51:20] Like just make sure you're happy.
[51:26] young forever.
[51:28] I just want to look young.
[51:29] I just want to stay at this age.
[51:30] I just want to win the day every day.
[51:32] Win the day.
[51:33] Win the day.
[51:34] Win the day.
[51:35] Lana, that was so awesome.
[51:36] We've loved having you in.
[51:37] But just before you go, we have a listener question from Jenny.
[51:42] Hi ladies, it's Jenny here.
[51:44] I was just listening to your podcast about your trip to Korea and you were discussing false eyelashes.
[51:50] And I was just wondering if you know where I can buy some good ones.
[51:53] I have such trouble even with the stick-on ones.
[51:55] I'd love any recommendations.
[51:57] Thanks.
[51:58] Okay.
[51:59] Lance?
[52:00] Well, I actually use Silly George, which I know we discovered when I discovered off.
[52:06] I'm looking like Bec is like the oracle, but she is.
[52:08] And so are you, Jess.
[52:09] Oh, no.
[52:10] I learned everything from her.
[52:11] We were literally in Paris and we had a makeup artist for a photo shoot for Bec.
[52:15] And then I was like, we're going out.
[52:17] I need to look the part.
[52:18] And she had these pre-glued.
[52:20] Pre-glued.
[52:21] Pre-glued cluster lashes.
[52:24] So I literally just add those, but also Amazon.
[52:27] Amazon do great ones.
[52:28] My makeup artist uses them all the time.
[52:30] Yep.
[52:31] So I do those now.
[52:32] So pre-glued, Amazon, they're like $12 or $13.
[52:35] You can also get them from Olive Young, which is that Korean, it's like Korean Sephora, so.
[52:39] Oh, I'll make a note of that.
[52:40] But I find that Amazon get more bang for your buck.
[52:42] You get a big tray of them.
[52:43] Yeah.
[52:44] And they're so easy.
[52:45] You just got to make sure that every now and again, you give them like a little fluff up.
[52:48] Because they can come down a bit low and make you look a little bit like.
[52:52] When Bec's saying fluff up, she's literally just putting her fingers under her eyes.
[52:55] Fluff up and lifting them.
[52:57] And the best bit is that they stick on underneath.
[53:00] So you just go along the underneath line.
[53:02] So from the top view, you can't see them.
[53:04] No, that's what I like.
[53:04] A lot of the time with lashes, you can see them stuck on.
[53:07] Yeah.
[53:07] So these ones are amazing.
[53:08] under.
[53:08] And they're great because, I mean, and the girls will confess about me, I'm the worst when it comes, I've got no patience.
[53:15] I'm like, oh, just do it quickly.
[53:16] So if I can use them, anyone can.
[53:19] And I think when it's low maintenance way of making yourself feel like you're done, especially we, often, as we've mentioned, we're working, you've got to go to events.
[53:25] You don't always have time to sit in a makeup chair, nor to sit and have your lashes done.
[53:30] Like I want to be that person.
[53:31] I just can't sit there for that long.
[53:32] Yeah, it takes a long time.
[53:33] Takes a long time.
[53:34] So it's a great way of like feeling done with it not being too expensive.
[53:37] Yeah, I agree.
[53:38] They're so good.
[53:39] So what is next for Lana Wilkinson?
[53:41] We've talked about the fat grafting.
[53:42] No, I can need to add that.
[53:43] Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[53:44] But I actually... With the fat grafting, you're specifically meant for underneath your eyes.
[53:48] Under my eyes.
[53:49] Underneath our eyes.
[53:50] Just so people can understand when they're listening, what we mean is after you have a lower blepharoplasty, they move the little fat pads and they reposition them.
[53:58] But because they've moved a herniation and the skin is quite loose still, even if you have a skin pinch, it can still be a little bit hollow afterwards.
[54:06] That's right.
[54:07] Yeah, even with keeping the initial fat pads.
[54:10] Yeah.
[54:11] And sometimes you can still look hollow and you might like a fat top up.
[54:14] So that's what I did because I was still after mine.
[54:17] Love my result.
[54:18] But over time still noticed I was quite hollow.
[54:20] So we had some fat and placed the fat kind of at the junction of where the tear trough meets the cheekbone.
[54:26] And it just softened it right up.
[54:29] I need to grow some fat so I can suck it out and stick it in my face.
[54:33] I think I'm like, where am I going to get the fat from?
[54:36] I've already taken the fat out.
[54:37] I need to grow some more.
[54:38] Just go to Korea and just eat a whole lot of Korea.
[54:41] Go to Smorgies.
[54:42] Before you do your fat transfer, just go on weight gain.
[54:44] Oh, you know me, June, July holidays, I always put 12 kilos on.
[54:47] You do.
[54:47] Because I sit by the pool and I'm like a bear and I just, and all I do is eat and I just order and order and order and like everyone just pays out on me.
[54:55] They just sit there going, where's Jess eating?
[54:57] And I literally come back so heavy.
[54:59] That's when you do your fat traps.
[55:02] The doctor was saying to me, we love it.
[55:03] Like when the fat cells are like,
[55:05] fat and fluffy.
[55:06] Yeah.
[55:07] And I was like, what am I like?
[55:08] You're not really like that.
[55:09] No.
[55:10] Well, I think what it does too is in the interim, like you can do all the moisturizers in the world.
[55:14] And I do find if I don't do that pre-game before you put your face on, it just can get really clunky and heavy under your eyes.
[55:21] And so that's something I want to overcome in time.
[55:24] But the other thing I've danced around it a long time was whether to do like a breast augmentation or like a lift.
[55:30] And I think I'm leaning more towards a lift.
[55:32] But again, it's just downtime.
[55:33] And that's not for anyone.
[55:34] That's just more for me.
[55:35] Like I don't want them bigger.
[55:36] I just want them to sit back where they were.
[55:38] I've had two kids.
[55:39] Like life is catching up.
[55:40] And again, I just know I didn't feel guilty about doing the eyes.
[55:45] And I'm like, you know what?
[55:46] This is something else.
[55:47] And you know what?
[55:48] I better keep selling shoes, girl.
[55:50] We better keep growing this or we're in trouble.
[55:52] All this stuff adds up.
[55:54] It's expensive.
[55:55] And it is.
[55:56] I mean, it's not going to be, I'm not going to fall into a hole if I don't do it.
[55:59] But if we talk about what your wish list is, for sure.
[56:01] Yeah.
[56:01] That's it.
[56:02] That's it.
[56:03] I'd love bigger boobies.
[56:05] Yours are good.
[56:05] Yeah, I know.
[56:06] They just look like.
[56:07] You've got good boobs.
[56:08] She's got good boobs.
[56:08] I've seen her many times.
[56:09] I'm like, man.
[56:12] Man, those tits are good.
[56:13] She'd say it to me.
[56:13] Chris is one lucky man.
[56:16] I've never known what it's – actually, apart from when I was breastfeeding.
[56:20] But imagine just having massive boobs.
[56:22] No.
[56:23] See, I used to – I feel like I'm starting every sentence lately.
[56:26] So to all the women out there who are as well, we go, I used to have.
[56:30] Yeah, yeah.
[56:30] I used to do.
[56:31] I used to, yeah.
[56:32] Like I used to be really good at tennis.
[56:33] I used to be really good.
[56:35] Like I used to be a good – like I was a good CD.
[56:37] Yeah, I had massive boobs when I was a teenager.
[56:42] And they were good.
[56:43] See, I've never needed to go down that road except to just put things back where they were.
[56:47] People always want what they don't have, right?
[56:49] The women with the big boobs, they need the reduction, the back pain, the neck, but they just want small boobies and then the small booby girl's like, I just want to know what it feels like to have big tits.
[57:00] Which is why I also love mixing it in our group where the people go, you're just great the way you are.
[57:04] And I love that too.
[57:05] Do you know what the funniest thing to talk about boob jobs?
[57:07] Our friend Susie, she's got in her notes everyone's boob job, surgeon and sizes.
[57:13] Oh, I love that.
[57:14] A full list of like everyone's size implant they got in, like what they've had done, what surgeon.
[57:20] She's got a full note.
[57:22] It's so funny.
[57:24] She's got great boobs.
[57:25] I've had literally two consults.
[57:27] each time.
[57:28] And I remember putting them in, literally, he would go, how does that feel?
[57:33] And that would be, and he was like, I'll say it to you, you look a bit dumpy.
[57:37] And I was like, that's what you want.
[57:40] You want someone to go, that would be too big for you.
[57:43] So for me, it really is, he goes, you've got it there.
[57:45] You just need to, like, it's like you've got your own.
[57:46] You've got the tissue.
[57:48] You've got, you've just got to lift.
[57:49] Work with what God gave you.
[57:51] So in any event, like bless him.
[57:53] And that's why I've always said, you want to, whenever you're speaking to any kind of professional, you want the person to give you real-time feedback.
[57:59] Yeah.
[58:00] Not be there just taking your money.
[58:01] Well, that is it for Vanish with Lana Wilkinson.
[58:05] Oh, my God.
[58:06] Thank you for having me, guys.
[58:07] What a treat.
[58:08] Can you come back in if you get the boobs or the fat grafting?
[58:12] 100% I will.
[58:14] It'll keep me accountable now.
[58:15] So, yes, I definitely will.
[58:17] One team, one dream.
[58:18] One team, one dream.
[58:19] And on that note, that perfect Lana Wilkinson exit, we're going to say goodbye.
[58:24] Bye for now.
[58:25] Bye for now.
[58:32] Hey!

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