# Serial entrepreneur Pieter Levels on building in public and living as a digital nomad

An episode of [Cheeky Pint](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1821055332), 9 Jul 2025, 23 min.

Audio: https://media.transistor.fm/16e68596/f2dca44e.mp3

Pieter Levels joins John Collison to discuss building successful online businesses as a digital nomad, thoughts on European accelerationism, and Pieter’s unconventional methods and philosophy as a bootstrapped founder making over $3 million per year. Full episode transcript https://cheekypint.transistor.fm/4/transcript Timestamps (00:00) Intro (00:37) Pieter’s resume (01:33) Trying to make money online as a 12 year old (02:43) Being one of the first YouTube creators (03:18) Who should indie hack (04:31) What Pieter hates about VC-backed businesses (07:51) Who is digital nomading for? (09:15) Learning from @patio11 (10:17) 125k tweets and the brand of @levelsio (10:59) Getting referrals from ChatGPT (11:43) What Pieter automates with AI (13:02) Investing and home country bias (15:05) Hacking thermostats (15:57) EU acceleration movement (18:34) Entrepreneurship in the EU (19:26) Pieter's reflections on Stripe’s API (21:21) Looking 5 years into the future

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