# Episode 60: Beyond Gideon—Rethinking Access to Justice

An episode of [Proof Over Precedent](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1820477277), 13 Jul 2026, 56 min.

Audio: https://episodes.castos.com/67d061eaad7341-50126521/2524986/c1e-3w8q6hw866oukq09k-ww4g2ko4bkdp-kg3kh9.mp3

Is it time for an inquisitorial legal system? How about a redesigned "lawyer-less" court? This isn't the wild west of the legal world, but rather a lively discussion among three access to justice advocates on the merits–or rather shortcomings–of a push for a civil right to counsel and possible alternatives to closing the access to justice gap. Join Law Professor Benjamin Barton (University of Tennessee), The Honorable Stephanos Bibas of the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, and our own A2J Lab director and Harvard Law School Professor Jim Greiner in this week's Proof Over Precedent episode.

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