# Episode 53: Expungement Expectations vs. Reality in Employment

An episode of [Proof Over Precedent](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1820477277), 2 Jun 2026, 45 min.

Audio: https://episodes.castos.com/67d061eaad7341-50126521/2481314/c1e-rq857bokk5nu2kwkq-5zqwom9vik1r-yeppmt.mp3

The A2J Lab's randomized control trial on expungement examined the uptake and obstacles of criminal record clearing while also looking into its effect on various socio-economic outcomes. This week's Proof Over Precedent episode gathers study researchers to discuss the "surprising and depressing" findings on expungement's effect on employment. They also dive into explanations for the stark difference between individuals' optimism and reality in the experiment.

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