# Tourmaline and Morgan Bassichis

An episode of [Love in a F*cked Up World](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1819407403), 10 Jul 2025, 1 h 02 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2509646/episodes/17482344-tourmaline-and-morgan-bassichis.mp3

Send us a message Tourmaline and Morgan Bassichis join Dean Spade on this episode of Love in a F*cked Up World. Tourmaline, Morgan, and Dean talk about how sites of capture and violence, like sexuality, romance and love, are also sites of pleasure and freedom, and how complex that tangle can be in the day to day. They also talk about what it means to support each other and the many lessons they’ve learned from each other over the course of multiple decades of friendship, collaboration, and trans abolitionist organizing. Transcript available at https://deanspade.net/podcast For more Morgan: • Can I Be Frank? - Morgan’s show at Soho Playhouse starting July 24! • https://www.morganbassichis.com • Questions to Ask Before Your Bat Mitzvah • The Odd Years For more Tourmaline: • Marsha: The Joy and Defiance of Marsha P. Johnson • @tourmaliiine Also mentioned in this episode: • Critical Resistance • SONG • CUAV • Laraaji • Joanna Macy, World as Lover, World as Self • Jessica Fern, Polysecure / Polywise

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