# Kaylee Bell Special

An episode of [Paid To Talk with Leigh Hart](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1818478971), 23 Sep 2025, 33 min.

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Matt and Leigh are once again out of their depth as they interview Kiwi/international country music sensation Kaylee Bell. She talks about her NEW album, and as usual Leigh pulls all the stops to shoe-horn his own musical career into the conversation. Follow the boys on Instagram: @paidtotalk_podcast See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:06] Speaker 1: This is an iHeart Radio New Zealand podcast.
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[0:50] Speaker 1: chorus after the after the podcast potentially, Hey, but hey,
[0:54] Speaker 1: podcast time, Thank god. Welcome to another episode of Page
[0:58] Speaker 1: Talk with Leeha and Matt Ward live from the Eco.
[1:02] Speaker 2: Watch.
[1:02] Speaker 1: Great to be back, and uh, we've got a very
[1:05] Speaker 1: special guest today. Got a new album coming out next week.
[1:08] Speaker 2: Yep. Kaylee Bell, big fan.
[1:10] Speaker 1: Kayleie Bell. Welcome to the show. And what do you
[1:13] Speaker 1: think of that?
[1:15] Speaker 3: I rated it? Yeah, I mean you're a season of music.
[1:24] Speaker 2: Or something in that.
[1:28] Speaker 4: Butkay, before we get stuck to you, before we go
[1:34] Speaker 4: talk about too much about the new album and a
[1:36] Speaker 4: tour that's coming up. It's a bit of a deep
[1:38] Speaker 4: dive back into your past. Do you recognize this voice?
[1:49] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[1:51] Speaker 4: Sorry, I thought we might do, Like, Okay, this is
[1:53] Speaker 4: your life kind of thing there where you know that
[1:55] Speaker 4: someone like an old angel.
[1:59] Speaker 1: Or it wouldn't be nice if you mentioned I'm just
[2:02] Speaker 1: jumping with the questions to the traditional stuff, and I
[2:05] Speaker 1: would say, get this podcast back on track, but I
[2:07] Speaker 1: don't think it. Actually it was Kaylie, Thanks for joining us,
[2:12] Speaker 1: Happy to be here. How tell us how does a
[2:14] Speaker 1: how does a girl from yabt He become the most
[2:17] Speaker 1: streamed Australasian Yeah, country singer.
[2:20] Speaker 3: It's a good question.
[2:22] Speaker 5: Well, you grew up in a town that, like you
[2:24] Speaker 5: really just essentially want to leave at some point, and
[2:28] Speaker 5: you get out in the world and you chase whatever
[2:31] Speaker 5: it is that you're tasting. And for me, it's always
[2:32] Speaker 5: been country music. And yeah, lucky that I get to
[2:35] Speaker 5: wake up every day now and do it. It's pretty crazy.
[2:37] Speaker 4: And I suppose the South Island Timuru Waymatti, et cetera,
[2:40] Speaker 4: probably more prevalent disposed with country music as opposed to
[2:43] Speaker 4: the rest of New Zealand. I mean that's obviously was
[2:45] Speaker 4: the case when you were grown up. You got into
[2:47] Speaker 4: it when you were here.
[2:47] Speaker 5: Yeah, I started when I was four and I was
[2:50] Speaker 5: lucky my family did it. But I do think the
[2:52] Speaker 5: South Island for whatever reason, had a really good talent
[2:55] Speaker 5: quest kind of circuit. And for whatever reason, we grew
[2:58] Speaker 5: up on American country music. And as I've got older,
[3:01] Speaker 5: I guess and the more I've traveled, you kind of
[3:03] Speaker 5: realize small towns are the same, no matter we're in
[3:05] Speaker 5: the world, they are, right, So yeah, it was quite
[3:07] Speaker 5: a natural kind of genre to fall into being a
[3:10] Speaker 5: small town.
[3:10] Speaker 1: Would you say that Wyti is the nestville.
[3:13] Speaker 5: Of New Zealand? Like, what do we need to do
[3:16] Speaker 5: to make that happen?
[3:17] Speaker 2: That's what I want to You mentioned what do you
[3:21] Speaker 2: call it? Competitions?
[3:22] Speaker 4: Obviously later on you you involved in some major competitions
[3:25] Speaker 4: et cetera and AUSEI. But talent quest I remember bringing back
[3:28] Speaker 4: to me again for a moment. I remember entering a
[3:30] Speaker 4: talent quest when I was about eighteen with a guitar.
[3:33] Speaker 4: Showed up and yet to play by yourself, which I
[3:35] Speaker 4: was doing as nervous as hell. Showed up on the stage,
[3:39] Speaker 4: they called my name up. I was gonna do my song,
[3:41] Speaker 4: went there, opened up my guitar case. Never's holl and
[3:43] Speaker 4: the guitar wasn't in it, and you can see my face.
[3:49] Speaker 2: My brother was watching and he said something. It's almost
[3:52] Speaker 2: like and I think, what would you do? I think
[3:58] Speaker 2: someone might have give me a guitar, but I was
[3:59] Speaker 2: thrown by then anyway. But that's the sort of competition
[4:02] Speaker 2: that you would have gone on.
[4:04] Speaker 4: That's sort of would have the other ones that you
[4:06] Speaker 4: would have gone and now they would have said who
[4:08] Speaker 4: they are?
[4:08] Speaker 5: Those sorts of competitions where like you said, you've explained it, well,
[4:11] Speaker 5: you get up.
[4:12] Speaker 3: With the band who have like never the song like y.
[4:16] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[4:16] Speaker 5: Absolutely, And it's kind of like fly by the ced
[4:18] Speaker 5: of pants And that's the exact environment that I grew
[4:21] Speaker 5: up on, and I think it does.
[4:22] Speaker 3: He wonders, as you know, you've probably never forgotten.
[4:26] Speaker 1: I've never forgotten the experience how to get on that competition.
[4:28] Speaker 2: I came last.
[4:30] Speaker 4: I said to Lass, she went better than actually had
[4:34] Speaker 4: played it. Okay, so let's move on. Then of course
[4:38] Speaker 4: it was kind of Ozzy. I suppose that you really
[4:40] Speaker 4: started to cut through.
[4:41] Speaker 5: Yeah, Ossie have been the kind of first audience that
[4:44] Speaker 5: have embraced what I do. I think right back from
[4:47] Speaker 5: I moved to Australia when I was about nineteen twenty
[4:50] Speaker 5: and lived there for about six or seven years. Actually
[4:53] Speaker 5: kicked about in Bathurst, a all places, which was quite random,
[4:56] Speaker 5: and then found myself on the Voice Australia. So yeah,
[5:00] Speaker 5: I feel like Gussie have really like kickstarted a lot
[5:03] Speaker 5: of things for me.
[5:03] Speaker 3: There's just quite a big industry over there.
[5:06] Speaker 4: And the music scene, I suppose is when it's population yeah,
[5:10] Speaker 4: but it's broader. I mean country music, rock music, even
[5:14] Speaker 4: as bigger they're compared to.
[5:17] Speaker 2: Good time music.
[5:18] Speaker 3: Yeah, they just really embrace it.
[5:19] Speaker 5: You know, Like the festivals we play in Australia, I
[5:21] Speaker 5: just feel like the Aussie fans are just so much fun.
[5:24] Speaker 5: Like you'll go to a three day festival and there'll
[5:26] Speaker 5: be no fighting, like everyone's happy. It's like there's some
[5:28] Speaker 5: of the coolest festivals we get to play. So yeah,
[5:32] Speaker 5: in terms of like the goal has always been America,
[5:34] Speaker 5: but Australia is always part of that goal and I'm
[5:36] Speaker 5: just lucky that we have such a great time touring
[5:39] Speaker 5: over there now too.
[5:40] Speaker 1: Is Is that all your biggest following in sort of
[5:42] Speaker 1: Aussie or the States?
[5:43] Speaker 5: Yeah, Australia's Australia and America now, so they're kind of
[5:46] Speaker 5: on par which is nice. So you've just been a
[5:48] Speaker 5: bit of time in both places. So we're back and
[5:50] Speaker 5: forward a lot, And is.
[5:51] Speaker 4: It frustrating for you or I suppose people in New
[5:53] Speaker 4: Zealand they probably just don't have an appreciation of just
[5:56] Speaker 4: how big country music in Gina is. Saying the States,
[5:58] Speaker 4: I mean, you can be on the top ten or
[6:00] Speaker 4: twenty or something in the country.
[6:01] Speaker 2: Shots and that's just massive compared to anything here.
[6:03] Speaker 3: Yeah, you're right, it's it's growing here.
[6:05] Speaker 5: As you've probably seen, like this, a lot of country
[6:07] Speaker 5: music on the radio here now, which is amazing.
[6:08] Speaker 3: But yeah, you have a number one song in America, that's.
[6:12] Speaker 5: Like you'll set for life, right, and you can tour
[6:14] Speaker 5: off the back of that forever. And so for years
[6:17] Speaker 5: growing up in New Zealand, all I wanted was to
[6:18] Speaker 5: hear country music on the radio.
[6:20] Speaker 3: And I feel like we've achieved that.
[6:22] Speaker 5: But you go to America and it's everywhere, right, It's
[6:25] Speaker 5: at the nails, cell on, it's in the cab that
[6:28] Speaker 5: you get into.
[6:28] Speaker 3: It's like it's just so ingrained in their culture.
[6:31] Speaker 1: And one of your really popular songs, Keith is a
[6:34] Speaker 1: tribute to Keith Urban.
[6:36] Speaker 3: It is a tribute to the Keith Urban.
[6:39] Speaker 1: How did that come about? And how does Nicole Kidman
[6:42] Speaker 1: feel about that.
[6:43] Speaker 5: Well, I haven't heard from her, so I guess that's
[6:45] Speaker 5: probably a sure sign.
[6:48] Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, you could be Nicole Kedman like
[6:50] Speaker 1: sort of a person in the world that someone's.
[6:53] Speaker 3: Would love to benicle. She's amazing.
[6:56] Speaker 5: Actually get so many weird comments on my TikTok being
[6:58] Speaker 5: like are you Kith's daughter? Like, I'd say probably there'd
[7:01] Speaker 5: be thousands of comments on my TikTok's being like are
[7:03] Speaker 5: you related to Keith?
[7:04] Speaker 3: You Keith's daughter.
[7:05] Speaker 2: So it's like met him, right, probably pretty cool.
[7:08] Speaker 1: Didn't you perform it to him on the voice?
[7:10] Speaker 5: Yes, I performed my song to him, which was terrifying.
[7:14] Speaker 5: A lot of people talk about those shows where you know,
[7:16] Speaker 5: there's a lot of setups and all that kind of thing,
[7:18] Speaker 5: where for me, it genuinely was not that case at all.
[7:21] Speaker 5: It was like, flew to Australia was actually meant to.
[7:24] Speaker 3: Be singing another song.
[7:26] Speaker 5: The music team were like, hey, Keith's the coach, we'd
[7:29] Speaker 5: love you to actually sing your songs, was like the
[7:31] Speaker 5: day before our audition. I mean, it's it's so cool.
[7:34] Speaker 5: I have so many people who have discovered that all
[7:36] Speaker 5: around the world. Now, that moment of like me singing
[7:38] Speaker 5: that song, Keith turning the cheer, Thank god that he did,
[7:41] Speaker 5: and the rest is kind of history.
[7:43] Speaker 3: Which is wild.
[7:44] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's great guitarist, isn't he.
[7:46] Speaker 3: He is one of the best guitarists.
[7:48] Speaker 4: He and John Mayer and Brad Pais he paid with
[7:52] Speaker 4: him as well as a country guitarist when he's phenomenal.
[7:55] Speaker 5: People don't really know that till you go to a
[7:57] Speaker 5: lie like to me, Keith the live show. Here's the
[7:59] Speaker 5: goat of the live show, Like here's the greatest in
[8:01] Speaker 5: terms of country music playing live.
[8:03] Speaker 3: But people were always like shocked when.
[8:05] Speaker 5: They go to a Keith show and they're like, I
[8:07] Speaker 5: didn't know he was such a good guitarist.
[8:09] Speaker 2: Like he plays that down.
[8:11] Speaker 1: Might just have a quick break, have quick break? Well yeah, okay,
[8:14] Speaker 1: well do you want to You might as well do
[8:18] Speaker 1: a quick break. Can be back with Kayleie Bell. It's
[8:20] Speaker 1: again well back to pay to talk with Lee Hart
[8:26] Speaker 1: and Matt Ward and we've got a very special guest
[8:29] Speaker 1: with us, can't you singer Kayleie Belly?
[8:32] Speaker 4: That's right, And we were talking about some of the
[8:33] Speaker 4: people you've performed with and alongside et cetera. I saw
[8:36] Speaker 4: you perform a couple of years ago. Actually you yep,
[8:39] Speaker 4: you're opening for Edge yearon what in parts? I mean,
[8:43] Speaker 4: that's a pretty massive gig. He's obviously done gigs of
[8:45] Speaker 4: that size all over the world.
[8:46] Speaker 5: Now, that was probably one of the I mean it
[8:49] Speaker 5: was the first time we've played a stadium. I mean,
[8:51] Speaker 5: I've always grown up on like Shania Twain, so like
[8:53] Speaker 5: for me, my goal one day is to play stadiums.
[8:56] Speaker 3: But to get to do that with.
[8:58] Speaker 5: An artist like each year and was just like one
[9:00] Speaker 5: of the coolest things, like I'm pappy now, like whatever.
[9:04] Speaker 4: That was a great show I remember rightly. I think
[9:07] Speaker 4: he ended up having some sound issues.
[9:08] Speaker 3: Yeah, you were there that night, that was fine.
[9:11] Speaker 2: And after that, that's right.
[9:12] Speaker 1: It wasn't that he opened his case and was there, so.
[9:16] Speaker 3: You didn't have that heavy when he was a teenager,
[9:18] Speaker 3: so he didn't learn that list.
[9:19] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[9:20] Speaker 4: So you're spending a lot of time in the States,
[9:21] Speaker 4: but how much time and where do you live when
[9:25] Speaker 4: you're there?
[9:25] Speaker 5: Yeah, So basically I started going to Nashville when I
[9:28] Speaker 5: was eighteen and it's been about fourteen years back and forward. Obviously,
[9:34] Speaker 5: visas are really hard to get, so it was a
[9:35] Speaker 5: lot of like save my money, go for three months,
[9:38] Speaker 5: come back, save my money. I did did that like
[9:41] Speaker 5: repetatively all through my twenties, and then moved to Nashville
[9:46] Speaker 5: three years ago.
[9:47] Speaker 3: So I was living in Nashville full.
[9:48] Speaker 2: Time, living there. Aside from the music side of things.
[9:50] Speaker 2: What's that as a place?
[9:52] Speaker 5: Yeah, it's an interesting place. Actually, I feel like if
[9:56] Speaker 5: you took the music away, you'd be like, why am
[9:58] Speaker 5: I in Nashville?
[9:59] Speaker 3: But obviously being in the industry, it's one of the
[10:02] Speaker 3: most exciting towns to be in. Musicians that are there everywhere.
[10:06] Speaker 3: Every as a songwriter.
[10:08] Speaker 5: Everyone's trying to like work a day job and make
[10:10] Speaker 5: the dream happen. It's one of the most inspiring towns
[10:13] Speaker 5: you could possibly be in because people were literally chasing
[10:16] Speaker 5: their dreams again with no guarantee. Everyone's kind of in
[10:19] Speaker 5: the same boat, and the.
[10:21] Speaker 3: Success is so close.
[10:22] Speaker 5: Like every day you're like, I'm this is an opportunity day.
[10:26] Speaker 5: You know, any day could change your life in Nashville, Like,
[10:29] Speaker 5: there's not many places in the world that you could.
[10:31] Speaker 3: Live that you could say that.
[10:32] Speaker 5: Yeah, like you're one song away and that could be
[10:35] Speaker 5: written at any time with anybody.
[10:37] Speaker 4: But the competition must be intense, So you've let me
[10:39] Speaker 4: be in the top of your game whole time, you know.
[10:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, And that's what I always found hard.
[10:43] Speaker 5: I always I loved coming home just to like reset,
[10:46] Speaker 5: and I always feel like I really appreciate, like just
[10:49] Speaker 5: the nature of New Zealand and all the really simple things.
[10:52] Speaker 3: That we have here that we kind of take for granted.
[10:55] Speaker 5: After a while, I just found them so like resetting
[10:57] Speaker 5: and healing the more time that I spent over there.
[11:00] Speaker 3: So I feel like, as much as it's.
[11:02] Speaker 5: Been really tough being from New Zealand and having to
[11:05] Speaker 5: try and go over there and make a mark, I
[11:08] Speaker 5: kind of look at it like we're so lucky to
[11:10] Speaker 5: be able to come back here and have this, you know,
[11:13] Speaker 5: and it's been a really healthy balance.
[11:16] Speaker 4: I want of coming back like for a grounding kind
[11:17] Speaker 4: of thing.
[11:19] Speaker 5: See the family, and like I said, just be around
[11:21] Speaker 5: nature and time really does slow down. Like you said,
[11:24] Speaker 5: you actually kind of can't relax over there because you're
[11:27] Speaker 5: like if I don't go there, then I might not
[11:28] Speaker 5: meet that person. And it's like you become a little
[11:30] Speaker 5: bit crazy, like because every day is just like a
[11:34] Speaker 5: possibility to meet someone that could change your life.
[11:36] Speaker 3: In Nashville.
[11:37] Speaker 4: So yeah, look, I might just interrupt you both here
[11:39] Speaker 4: if I could. You know, sometimes I feel like a
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[12:01] Speaker 3: At a Yangy.
[12:05] Speaker 4: I mean, you've been doing this in a little while now,
[12:08] Speaker 4: I'm so young. Yeah, but what do you make of
[12:11] Speaker 4: this sort of the music industry in the sense, like
[12:13] Speaker 4: the streaming aspect of this stuff. I know, the album's
[12:16] Speaker 4: coming out VIOYL on CD, et cetera, but also the
[12:18] Speaker 4: streaming is a huge part of it. Yeah, I mean,
[12:20] Speaker 4: has that been a frustration how that side of the
[12:24] Speaker 4: industry works now?
[12:25] Speaker 5: And I think, okay, there's two different ways that you
[12:28] Speaker 5: can look at it. And I don't think it was
[12:29] Speaker 5: necessarily set up right from the beginning, and that's why
[12:32] Speaker 5: we're kind of trying to play catch up with it
[12:33] Speaker 5: a lot. And I still think that songwriters lose out
[12:36] Speaker 5: from it, which I think is the biggest downfall, because
[12:39] Speaker 5: what are we if we don't have songwriters in this world? Like,
[12:41] Speaker 5: to me, songwriters are like step one, right, Like we
[12:44] Speaker 5: need great songs. But from an artist's point of view,
[12:47] Speaker 5: I feel like it's allowed me in the last particularly
[12:50] Speaker 5: i'd say, five years, to remain independent and like I've
[12:54] Speaker 5: always been an independent artist, and it's never been a
[12:57] Speaker 5: better time because like the streaming world has kind of
[13:01] Speaker 5: knocked down a lot of walls that used to exist,
[13:03] Speaker 5: you know, like people can listen to your music anywhere
[13:05] Speaker 5: in the world now at any time, and then you
[13:09] Speaker 5: can go on two of those countries exactly, go and
[13:14] Speaker 5: go back to someone and get on radio. And it's
[13:16] Speaker 5: just like I look at it from such a positive
[13:18] Speaker 5: point of view because I've seen it from a positive
[13:21] Speaker 5: point of view with what it's done for my career
[13:23] Speaker 5: and allowed me to have a global career essentially, you know,
[13:26] Speaker 5: like you think about being in New Zealand, if I
[13:28] Speaker 5: didn't have that global reach, like you'd be very much
[13:31] Speaker 5: stuck to your territory.
[13:34] Speaker 3: And so yeah, I think there's so much positive from it.
[13:37] Speaker 5: I think, like I said, there's a lot of catch
[13:38] Speaker 5: up that needs to be done in terms of like
[13:40] Speaker 5: just having some things in place with proper pay, particularly
[13:45] Speaker 5: for songwriters. But yeah, I love that I can go
[13:48] Speaker 5: anywhere in the world.
[13:48] Speaker 2: Now it's going really well.
[13:50] Speaker 4: Actually, I think we'll submit this toward the podcast stuff
[13:59] Speaker 4: up the rest of you talk about some influences that
[14:01] Speaker 4: you mentioned Twain and stuff student in that way, musicians
[14:06] Speaker 4: you know across this bedroom don't have a piece of
[14:08] Speaker 4: a country.
[14:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, so much.
[14:10] Speaker 5: I'd say, like female artists actually over the years I
[14:13] Speaker 5: think of like who I'm and juicing my childhood at
[14:17] Speaker 5: the moment is like the stuff that I grew up on,
[14:18] Speaker 5: which is like the Tina Arenas of the world, and
[14:21] Speaker 5: I just love those, like really strong female voices of
[14:24] Speaker 5: the nineties.
[14:27] Speaker 2: Country.
[14:28] Speaker 5: But also he had a lot of mainstream stuff going
[14:31] Speaker 5: on back then, Like there's a lot of country artists obviously,
[14:33] Speaker 5: like the Pam Tillis Is, the Trisha Ewarods like just phenomenal.
[14:36] Speaker 5: Grew up on a lot of that stuff. But then
[14:38] Speaker 5: I also love mainstream, like I love radio. Why I
[14:41] Speaker 5: think like someone like Keith Urban really you know, I'm
[14:43] Speaker 5: really drawn towards him because he's the same as a
[14:45] Speaker 5: lot of like pop sensibility that he's pulled into country music.
[14:48] Speaker 5: So for him, he'll write like with a melody, or
[14:52] Speaker 5: he'll start with like a loop that's like more of
[14:54] Speaker 5: a feeling as opposed to like a lot of Nashville
[14:56] Speaker 5: writing is that you would walk into a room exactly
[14:58] Speaker 5: like this and we'd sit down with our guitars. Lee
[15:01] Speaker 5: wouldn't have because he wouldn't have bought it in the case,
[15:04] Speaker 5: but this is how we would start, so and we
[15:06] Speaker 5: would just write with three guitars and someone would be
[15:09] Speaker 5: writing lyrics and so it was very lyric driven. And
[15:13] Speaker 5: so that's why I love a lot of like radio
[15:15] Speaker 5: influenced stuff where it's like melody driven and like and
[15:18] Speaker 5: if you can blend country music in terms of the
[15:21] Speaker 5: lyrics and the pop melodies, I just think that is
[15:23] Speaker 5: like the perfont.
[15:23] Speaker 4: Because so many songs, I mean, the genre, it's only
[15:26] Speaker 4: in the production side of it decides where whether it's
[15:28] Speaker 4: a country song, a rock and roll song, or a
[15:30] Speaker 4: rock and billy song or blues song. When they're all
[15:33] Speaker 4: good songs and good.
[15:33] Speaker 3: Songs, that's great, exactly, the song wins at the end
[15:36] Speaker 3: of the day.
[15:36] Speaker 5: And I always say that when I like, you know,
[15:39] Speaker 5: like when I think of egos in an industry, I'm like,
[15:41] Speaker 5: how does anybody actually have an ego? Because we're all
[15:44] Speaker 5: the mercy of the song, like, and we're only as
[15:46] Speaker 5: good as our last song, right.
[15:47] Speaker 3: So someone else is going to come and kick ourrass
[15:49] Speaker 3: and write a bit of song tomorrow, like.
[15:52] Speaker 2: You should mention egos.
[15:54] Speaker 4: I was in a band years ago called Wild Teg
[15:56] Speaker 4: with my brother and a guy called Matt Johnson, and.
[15:58] Speaker 2: Egos got involved there because they.
[16:00] Speaker 4: Both had really big egos and I was the songwriter
[16:03] Speaker 4: who didn't have such a big ego. But we ended
[16:06] Speaker 4: up suing each other and that was but you know,
[16:10] Speaker 4: it was very much like the Beatles in a way.
[16:13] Speaker 4: I got nasty how much suing was going on, so
[16:16] Speaker 4: much so that the Beatles even got involved in it.
[16:18] Speaker 2: Some of the Beatles that got involved.
[16:20] Speaker 1: It was happening at the same time as the Beatles.
[16:24] Speaker 2: When I said the Beatles were involved, what Matt the drama?
[16:27] Speaker 4: He had my Beatles CD collection Greatest Hits and I
[16:30] Speaker 4: was trying to get that back of him and kind
[16:32] Speaker 4: that was part of the whole deal, along with other
[16:35] Speaker 4: stuff songwriting rights and.
[16:36] Speaker 3: Sort of stuff, and which you know, they really were.
[16:39] Speaker 4: We went suing for the rights, were actually suing. We
[16:41] Speaker 4: didn't want them. We were trying to give them to
[16:43] Speaker 4: each other that we were trying to know you have them,
[16:47] Speaker 4: you know, and no one wanted to be the guy
[16:49] Speaker 4: because the expenses of holding those rights was more than
[16:52] Speaker 4: we were earning. So I suppose you're probably avoiding some
[16:57] Speaker 4: of that by being your own boss.
[17:00] Speaker 5: I've I'm kind of like no Bs kind of person
[17:04] Speaker 5: like I think it's it's an industry that full of it,
[17:06] Speaker 5: and I love that I get to kind of call
[17:09] Speaker 5: the shots and run this how I want to run this.
[17:11] Speaker 5: And yeah, it's it was kind of accidental, you know,
[17:14] Speaker 5: it was originally it was just because no one would
[17:16] Speaker 5: sign me, and then it's got to that point now
[17:19] Speaker 5: where it's like it's a great editgud.
[17:23] Speaker 3: It's very key we, isn't it.
[17:25] Speaker 5: Talking about artists, I kind of look up to someone
[17:27] Speaker 5: like a Taylor Swift, who's basically been the CEO of
[17:30] Speaker 5: her own company. I think she's kind of just been
[17:33] Speaker 5: a pretty big force in our industry of like knowing
[17:36] Speaker 5: like the business side of things and the behind the
[17:39] Speaker 5: scenes and.
[17:39] Speaker 3: All the ugly stuff that we don't really like to
[17:41] Speaker 3: talk about.
[17:41] Speaker 5: When we're artists, because we meant to be like so
[17:43] Speaker 5: spontaneous and it's meant to be all these beautiful things,
[17:46] Speaker 5: which it is.
[17:47] Speaker 3: But it's also that and so I love the other
[17:51] Speaker 3: side of it too.
[17:51] Speaker 5: I love looking at things from you know, more of
[17:54] Speaker 5: a business sense and learning about the behind the scenes
[17:56] Speaker 5: and why things are the way they are in our industry.
[17:58] Speaker 1: You know, you know, just before you tell another Beatles story,
[18:02] Speaker 1: it's probably a good time to throw another break.
[18:05] Speaker 2: I have to break.
[18:06] Speaker 4: We be going to talk about, well, how following it
[18:09] Speaker 4: must be now that you're the family as well.
[18:15] Speaker 2: Break.
[18:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, that was great.
[18:26] Speaker 2: We should have heard the whole home we did.
[18:29] Speaker 1: Hey, welcome back to page talk with Lehard met Ward
[18:33] Speaker 1: and we've got specialis Kayie Bell before we talk about
[18:35] Speaker 1: your new album, which is coming out next week. A
[18:38] Speaker 1: lot going on outside music.
[18:40] Speaker 5: Yeah, new baby, new little baby boy James. He was
[18:43] Speaker 5: born at the end of January and so I.
[18:46] Speaker 3: Haven't really remembered for anything since. Yeah, seven months old. Yeah,
[18:51] Speaker 3: he's he's been everywhere.
[18:52] Speaker 5: He The best part was that before he was even born,
[18:56] Speaker 5: I had to I had in New Zealand asking me
[18:58] Speaker 5: for his name, which I'm like, do I need to
[19:00] Speaker 5: decide this like today on the phone.
[19:05] Speaker 3: So I couldn't book any fly.
[19:10] Speaker 5: So that was the first thing, and then he was
[19:14] Speaker 5: We actually had our first gig six weeks after I
[19:16] Speaker 5: gave birth, so basically we had James. We had him
[19:21] Speaker 5: like registering for a passport day two. I mean, you've
[19:24] Speaker 5: got to get a picture of this poor little baby
[19:26] Speaker 5: with their eyes open looking.
[19:30] Speaker 3: But yeah, so his eyes.
[19:31] Speaker 5: Are commuter generated, because how you get a baby to
[19:34] Speaker 5: open their eyes for a basketball is beyond me.
[19:36] Speaker 2: That's but obviously you know that time came.
[19:43] Speaker 4: The birth was months ago, but of course before that
[19:47] Speaker 4: was pregnancy and stuff.
[19:47] Speaker 2: That's when you would have been working and writing the
[19:49] Speaker 2: album recording it.
[19:50] Speaker 5: Yeah, so we found out, So I actually didn't think
[19:52] Speaker 5: I'd ever be able to have a child. So we
[19:54] Speaker 5: found out we were having a baby when I was
[19:55] Speaker 5: in Nashville June last year, and so I just signed
[20:00] Speaker 5: American management, booking agencies like all the things, and so
[20:04] Speaker 5: it was just like a huge like shock, and so
[20:07] Speaker 5: then year we kind of just went into planning mode.
[20:10] Speaker 5: My partner works in my band and runs all that
[20:12] Speaker 5: stuff as well, so we're both very much like aligned
[20:14] Speaker 5: with like our path and goals in life. So we
[20:17] Speaker 5: were just like, well, let's just make this happen and
[20:20] Speaker 5: do it the best we can. And so I spent
[20:22] Speaker 5: a bunch of time in America and wrote a bunch
[20:24] Speaker 5: of the record in New York in Nashville, and we
[20:30] Speaker 5: made most of it and over in Nashville. Then I
[20:32] Speaker 5: flew my producer back to New Zealand and December last year,
[20:36] Speaker 5: which was like getting to that point of like, I
[20:37] Speaker 5: think it was like thirty four weeks pregnant when you
[20:39] Speaker 5: just like can't fly anymore. We'd just come off the
[20:41] Speaker 5: Cane Brown tour in Australia and I was at that
[20:43] Speaker 5: point of like I need.
[20:45] Speaker 1: To slow down.
[20:46] Speaker 3: And so yeah, my.
[20:48] Speaker 5: Producer, Tom Jordan, flew out from Nashville and we made
[20:50] Speaker 5: the record at home last year, which was pretty cool way.
[20:53] Speaker 2: Of doing it. Matt's got young kids as well, oh nice.
[20:58] Speaker 1: And two, so there's lots still look forward to. Yeah,
[21:00] Speaker 1: if you got a seven months old, ye okay, if
[21:01] Speaker 1: they start crawling, they start eating adult food, which is just.
[21:04] Speaker 2: Like you've imagine making an album during that.
[21:06] Speaker 4: Time, an album at all, and you were just treading
[21:10] Speaker 4: in the wa washhouse, which I mean, did those emotions,
[21:14] Speaker 4: you know, of having a child and make its way
[21:17] Speaker 4: in all into the album, into any songs or yeah,
[21:19] Speaker 4: maybe recorded or folt.
[21:21] Speaker 5: There's a song on there called Heartbeat, which was that
[21:23] Speaker 5: moment of finding out I was pregnant. Like I said,
[21:25] Speaker 5: I didn't think we were able to have children, so
[21:27] Speaker 5: it was like an absolute shock. Obviously, I went into
[21:30] Speaker 5: a songwriter in Nashville and actually kind of broke down
[21:33] Speaker 5: into tears and was like, this is what's happening, and
[21:36] Speaker 5: there was no way we could have written anything else
[21:38] Speaker 5: that day. I always find songwriting it's kind of like
[21:40] Speaker 5: counseling in a really good way, Like you're talking to
[21:43] Speaker 5: strangers about your life, like your most personal details becoming
[21:47] Speaker 5: apparent as you know, like you just grow right and
[21:49] Speaker 5: you think about life so differently. And I'm just looking
[21:52] Speaker 5: at the world now, like what it's actually going to
[21:54] Speaker 5: look like for James and you know, when he's my
[21:56] Speaker 5: age or whatever, and so there's actually I just feel
[21:59] Speaker 5: like I've kind of just unlocked this thing that's happening
[22:02] Speaker 5: now and I just can't stop writing songs about him,
[22:04] Speaker 5: and it's crazy.
[22:06] Speaker 3: Yes, so I'm excited.
[22:07] Speaker 5: There's another song called Mankind, like the whole Premius office
[22:11] Speaker 5: is like you raise the boy, right, you make the
[22:12] Speaker 5: man kind and like that's like the idea behind the
[22:14] Speaker 5: snake song that I'm just like super excited about.
[22:17] Speaker 1: Whereas if I did After Ride album right now, I'd
[22:19] Speaker 1: probably be songs called pipe down, Stop talking about yourself?
[22:27] Speaker 3: What age do you start the toilet training?
[22:29] Speaker 1: That's what I want to You don't want to start
[22:31] Speaker 1: it too early. That's the problem because they just you
[22:34] Speaker 1: want I have falls. Yeah, that's good.
[22:37] Speaker 3: That's a good.
[22:39] Speaker 2: Well, let's talk about the album.
[22:40] Speaker 4: Then.
[22:40] Speaker 2: It's called Cowboy.
[22:41] Speaker 3: It is called Cowboy Up.
[22:43] Speaker 4: I'm coming out on vinyls CD and also obviously live
[22:46] Speaker 4: stream CD.
[22:47] Speaker 5: Yeah, so weirdly like and I'll probably say Australians mostly
[22:52] Speaker 5: like my Australian market.
[22:53] Speaker 2: Love a CD.
[22:55] Speaker 3: And do you know what I think it is.
[22:56] Speaker 5: I think it's when you're out driving a tractor around
[22:59] Speaker 5: a peddock and you just get sick of Spotify cudding
[23:01] Speaker 5: in and out and you're like, put on a goddamn CD, right,
[23:04] Speaker 5: Like it's got to be where it comes from, because
[23:06] Speaker 5: I have been shocked that people still buy CDs, but
[23:08] Speaker 5: they do.
[23:09] Speaker 2: It's amazing.
[23:10] Speaker 5: That's making a comeback, I know, and cassette tapes I
[23:12] Speaker 5: think are coming back to which I do love a
[23:14] Speaker 5: cassette tape. But I'm most excited about vinyl. To me,
[23:17] Speaker 5: vinyl like it's a piece of art. It's like a
[23:20] Speaker 5: collector's item, isn't it. So that's the part that I'm
[23:23] Speaker 5: most excited about.
[23:24] Speaker 2: You've got the whole cover, You've got.
[23:25] Speaker 3: All the DJ room to sign.
[23:28] Speaker 5: You know, you want to leave people a nice little
[23:30] Speaker 5: message heart? Can we please be best friends?
[23:36] Speaker 2: Are there? We go? So when you go to Nashville,
[23:39] Speaker 2: when you stay, you've got to place there.
[23:41] Speaker 5: You just got.
[23:42] Speaker 3: Okay, there's a few parts of this.
[23:43] Speaker 5: First first years, I used to sleep on people's couches,
[23:46] Speaker 5: do all the things right. Obviously got a flat a
[23:48] Speaker 5: few years ago, so I was living with some Australians
[23:50] Speaker 5: in Nashville in a place called Bellevue, which is like
[23:53] Speaker 5: out west.
[23:54] Speaker 3: And then recently I did this.
[23:57] Speaker 5: I lived in New York for a month and stayed
[23:59] Speaker 5: in this hotel, did a residency, played for them like
[24:02] Speaker 5: a couple of nights a week, which was genuinely like
[24:05] Speaker 5: one of the coolest things I've ever done New York
[24:06] Speaker 5: in the summer, like lived my best life. And they
[24:11] Speaker 5: own a bunch of hotels in Nashville. So our recent
[24:13] Speaker 5: experience of Nashville, which we'd never done before, we took
[24:15] Speaker 5: Baby James, my partner, came and we got to stay
[24:18] Speaker 5: in like one of the most pimp and like hotels downtown.
[24:22] Speaker 3: CMA fist was on.
[24:23] Speaker 5: We could like walk everywhere, go back and share and
[24:25] Speaker 5: charge your phone, all the things that I've just never like,
[24:28] Speaker 5: I've always just been like running ragged around Nashville during
[24:31] Speaker 5: CMA like an absolute mess. And so if you guys
[24:34] Speaker 5: are going, I highly recommend doing doing the downtown thing.
[24:37] Speaker 3: Downtown thing. Yeah, and Broadway have you seen Broadway before?
[24:40] Speaker 5: Like Broadway is just like I can't It's like Vegas conky.
[24:45] Speaker 2: Tonks, It's like Memphis but more just like.
[24:49] Speaker 5: Bigger, more neon, brighter, Like everywhere you're walking, it's just
[24:54] Speaker 5: like the soundboard of just like band band, band, band, band,
[24:57] Speaker 5: like all the wagon wheels, all the songs that you
[25:00] Speaker 5: could possibly expect to hear all down Broadway, and it's
[25:04] Speaker 5: like it's just so much fun.
[25:05] Speaker 2: So when you're back in New Zealand, are you back
[25:07] Speaker 2: down South or are you.
[25:09] Speaker 5: Mum and Dad still live in all my family live
[25:12] Speaker 5: around christ Church and so we always go down to
[25:15] Speaker 5: Mom and dads for Christmas and will very much be
[25:18] Speaker 5: making sure that James is brought up with knowing that
[25:20] Speaker 5: he's a can tab.
[25:22] Speaker 3: That's important stuff. Yeah.
[25:25] Speaker 4: I know you've been busy your week obviously doing promo
[25:27] Speaker 4: and stuff, and you're probably chanted. But the chance you
[25:29] Speaker 4: might want to play a couple of chords.
[25:33] Speaker 3: You can play some cards. Do you want to play
[25:34] Speaker 3: some chords with me?
[25:35] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[25:35] Speaker 1: Sure, okay, cool. We've got special guest, Kayleie Bell, who's
[25:38] Speaker 1: got a guitar and her also sort of croat.
[25:44] Speaker 3: I tell you I was did you just prehim this?
[25:48] Speaker 2: I've always had one line around here somewhere.
[25:49] Speaker 3: But so here we go. I think we should jam.
[25:52] Speaker 2: Okay, something off the new album? Yeah?
[25:54] Speaker 3: Maybe can we do the title track?
[25:57] Speaker 2: Definitely your new album? My album?
[25:58] Speaker 3: Yes, sorry not to be mistaken for your new album.
[26:01] Speaker 1: Do you want to microne off?
[26:04] Speaker 2: It'll lead through anywhere?
[26:06] Speaker 3: So he says, we'll just do a versal course of
[26:08] Speaker 3: Cowboy Elpy.
[26:10] Speaker 5: We were in left, he ride on track, my friends
[26:15] Speaker 5: out front, the cars barked down back. We had everything
[26:21] Speaker 5: we needed, and you treating me like baby I know
[26:25] Speaker 5: one who Yeah, you haul the stars, I hug the moon.
[26:33] Speaker 3: You're brown. I was cut my baby loose.
[26:38] Speaker 4: He there was.
[26:39] Speaker 5: Sawing the whiskey got me thinking maybe we couldn't have
[26:43] Speaker 5: it all.
[26:45] Speaker 3: Yeah after all. But now it's He'll tolling around we
[26:49] Speaker 3: go with the rodeopen on my first baby boots tapping
[26:53] Speaker 3: you pulled me back, Kelly.
[26:55] Speaker 5: Ahead of that, it's he hated baby, Drive your cat
[26:58] Speaker 5: go crazy, read good, sky da Drea, be the reason
[27:03] Speaker 5: why you fall yep, yes on this se laugh cow yeah, cowe.
[27:17] Speaker 2: That takes me back to wear I used to play
[27:21] Speaker 2: you know.
[27:22] Speaker 3: That was great playing thank you. We just had our
[27:25] Speaker 3: first jam session.
[27:26] Speaker 1: So that was the tit effect of the new album.
[27:28] Speaker 3: Absolutely, that song had a bit of a journey.
[27:30] Speaker 5: Actually I teased it on TikTok and then it kind
[27:35] Speaker 5: of was one of those songs that like started having
[27:37] Speaker 5: some noise and then I was like, oh crap, I
[27:39] Speaker 5: have to like find a producer and do all the things.
[27:42] Speaker 5: And it actually took me nine months. And I'm going
[27:45] Speaker 5: to tell the story because I don't do this very often,
[27:47] Speaker 5: but I cold messaged a guy called travel Titleman on Instagram.
[27:51] Speaker 5: He misses me straight back and he's like, I'm in
[27:53] Speaker 5: Nashville this week, love to do the song.
[27:54] Speaker 3: And I was like, well, that really wasn't that hard?
[27:56] Speaker 2: Meant to be?
[27:56] Speaker 3: Meant to be.
[27:57] Speaker 1: That's good because we pretty much just cold message all guests.
[28:00] Speaker 5: This podcast so brilliant, it works sometimes right exactly.
[28:03] Speaker 4: So how about your sort of process and is a
[28:06] Speaker 4: sort of work. Are you a lyric person or do
[28:10] Speaker 4: you sort of hummer tune that you know and then
[28:13] Speaker 4: you will put the meat into the words to that sort.
[28:17] Speaker 5: Of Yeah, that's a great question because it's different for everybody,
[28:21] Speaker 5: as you can imagine. Like I think for me, it's
[28:25] Speaker 5: like I have a lot of voice notes on my
[28:27] Speaker 5: phone and that's from like moments of inspo, whether that
[28:29] Speaker 5: be driving the car or in the shower or whatever.
[28:31] Speaker 5: It is, like that's when like a melody and an idea,
[28:34] Speaker 5: like a feeling. Like I said about like so Keith
[28:37] Speaker 5: Urban writes a lot of stuff just by like the
[28:40] Speaker 5: chorus or like a melody, and I think I do
[28:43] Speaker 5: also start a lot of my songs that way and
[28:45] Speaker 5: then it kind of to me that kind of sets
[28:47] Speaker 5: the tone of should this be like a positive up
[28:50] Speaker 5: song or is this like a slow ballad and then
[28:52] Speaker 5: at least I'm starting to work out like where this
[28:55] Speaker 5: song will live, and then I actually start a lot
[28:58] Speaker 5: of songs with song titles. I feel like I'm always
[28:59] Speaker 5: writing stuff down on my phone, like little gems that
[29:02] Speaker 5: I'm thinking of through the day, or hear people say
[29:05] Speaker 5: I think a song title in like a hook. So
[29:07] Speaker 5: Nashville is big on hooks, Like the last two lines
[29:10] Speaker 5: of the chorus will like hook you in. And it's
[29:12] Speaker 5: often got the song title win it. And so that's
[29:15] Speaker 5: another thing that I absolutely love, just trying to chase that.
[29:18] Speaker 2: Yeah, havebout emotions. I mean a lot of people.
[29:22] Speaker 4: Find it easier to write about breakups and stuff or
[29:25] Speaker 4: when I'm more emotionally, you know, in turmoil right, nasty
[29:30] Speaker 4: blues or love songs.
[29:31] Speaker 2: Or anything like that.
[29:32] Speaker 4: I'm not talking Taylor Swift, I'm not talking even beatles
[29:35] Speaker 4: and stuff. But it's amazing if you're in a really
[29:37] Speaker 4: happy place where your life's going, really get a lot.
[29:44] Speaker 2: Out of mediocrity or what do you call it. It's
[29:47] Speaker 2: so traige life you almost.
[29:50] Speaker 5: Need I always think that's why the UK is so
[29:52] Speaker 5: good at music, right because most of the time the
[29:54] Speaker 5: weathers crap and their depressed, and you're right and it
[29:56] Speaker 5: does a lot of music does come from those places.
[29:58] Speaker 5: And so that's what I think is the most magical
[30:01] Speaker 5: thing about songwriting.
[30:01] Speaker 3: It's like it's healing, it's like counseling.
[30:05] Speaker 5: It's like you walk into a room and there's nothing,
[30:08] Speaker 5: and you walk out with a song like what a
[30:10] Speaker 5: wild creation?
[30:11] Speaker 3: Like were just that?
[30:12] Speaker 4: To me?
[30:12] Speaker 5: I'm always just like that comes from so many different things, right,
[30:15] Speaker 5: It comes from inspiration, it comes from just there's so
[30:17] Speaker 5: many things involved with writing a song what a can't
[30:20] Speaker 5: do And that's exactly right. So in terms of like
[30:23] Speaker 5: should we be worried a little bit, but there's also
[30:26] Speaker 5: that human element that it just can never replicate totally.
[30:29] Speaker 2: So you don't have to tour this album as well,
[30:31] Speaker 2: Now Zealand, that's.
[30:32] Speaker 5: Going to be Yeah, it's terror New Zealand is. I mean,
[30:36] Speaker 5: you've done it plenty of times, I'm sure, and not really.
[30:41] Speaker 5: You could be on our rider, we could have well
[30:43] Speaker 5: Snacker Changy on the rider.
[30:45] Speaker 2: Don't worry about that time.
[30:46] Speaker 5: Okay, done done, Deale, you're coming on to it, but
[30:49] Speaker 5: yes we are going on to it. And touring New
[30:51] Speaker 5: Zealand is something that I never thought I'd get the
[30:53] Speaker 5: chance to do. As we talked about, country wasn't very
[30:55] Speaker 5: big here growing up. The last three years of touring
[30:58] Speaker 5: has I feel like we've seen that change. And the
[31:00] Speaker 5: amount of kids that come to our show I think
[31:02] Speaker 5: is so cool. That's to me, is like that just
[31:05] Speaker 5: shows as a whole new generation of kids that like.
[31:07] Speaker 3: Country music, which is great.
[31:10] Speaker 5: And yeah, this tour particularly, we're just sort of previously
[31:15] Speaker 5: we've done a lot of regional stuff, which I love.
[31:17] Speaker 5: Like growing up small town, you realize how starved of
[31:20] Speaker 5: things like music you are, and so I always like
[31:23] Speaker 5: when I get that time to tour, I always wanted
[31:26] Speaker 5: to go back to my hometown and get to the regions.
[31:29] Speaker 5: And I feel like we've done that with the last
[31:30] Speaker 5: two tours and it was some of the coolest memories
[31:33] Speaker 5: that I have. But with this tour, with obviously scheduling Baby,
[31:37] Speaker 5: they's at the big cities and play some venues that
[31:39] Speaker 5: we are bucket lists, you know, like the Civic and
[31:42] Speaker 5: Auckland is a bucket list.
[31:46] Speaker 1: How does that work? You strap on the front pack.
[31:48] Speaker 3: And on the stage and.
[31:54] Speaker 5: Yeah, but he like we are trying to normalize having
[31:57] Speaker 5: him on the road. Which I think as a woman
[31:59] Speaker 5: in music is really important. I pay value to the
[32:02] Speaker 5: people that have done that before me and showing me
[32:04] Speaker 5: what it looks like to be a mum, particularly in
[32:06] Speaker 5: the music industry, which is still an industry.
[32:09] Speaker 4: Probably in the dark past, it was a case of yeah,
[32:13] Speaker 4: well yeah years.
[32:15] Speaker 5: Yeah, and so I've really tried to make a point
[32:18] Speaker 5: of continuing on and juggling things, and it's just meant
[32:21] Speaker 5: that I've had to be way more organized. But I also,
[32:23] Speaker 5: like I said, I want to have him out on
[32:25] Speaker 5: the road with us and just show that you can
[32:27] Speaker 5: do both. I think is a really important kind of
[32:30] Speaker 5: statement to make to other women and music, you know,
[32:32] Speaker 5: like for them to see it as well. Yeah, So
[32:34] Speaker 5: tickets available and I always do. I do these meet
[32:37] Speaker 5: and greets after the show every night for free, where
[32:40] Speaker 5: I literally stand and hug and say hi to every
[32:43] Speaker 5: single person that comes, because I think that's such a
[32:46] Speaker 5: cool way to connect with people and you know, get
[32:49] Speaker 5: to know people out on the road as well.
[32:50] Speaker 1: Leaves to do that, but the sort of people just
[32:52] Speaker 1: stopped coming a couple of minutes.
[32:54] Speaker 4: Yeah, Kayley, thanks so much for coming all the way
[32:57] Speaker 4: up to Eco Lodge. I really appreciate it.
[32:59] Speaker 3: It's pretty beautiful, wasn't it? Would you would you leave?
[33:02] Speaker 3: Would you go?
[33:04] Speaker 1: Or is actually kind of like Hotel California. It doesn't
[33:08] Speaker 1: look I can't actually do a.
[33:10] Speaker 2: Lot of my songwriting thinking and then drinking.
[33:13] Speaker 1: Really not necessarily in that order.
[33:16] Speaker 3: No, No, definitely in the other order. Where are the
[33:19] Speaker 3: best songs come from?
[33:20] Speaker 2: Yeah?
[33:21] Speaker 1: Beautiful, Thanks Kaylene, thanks for having me.
[33:23] Speaker 3: Guys love it.

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