# Murderers That Thought They Got Away With It | 219

An episode of [Lazy Chill True Crime](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1815534472), 1 May 2026, 30 min.

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## Transcript

[0:00] On June 13th, 1996, eighteen year old Angie Dodge was found
[0:05] brutally slain in her Idaho Falls apartment.
[0:08] That morning, two of her Co workers, worried when she didn't
[0:12] show up for work, discovered her body on the floor of her
[0:16] bedroom. In the midst of their grief,
[0:19] Angie's loved ones held on to 1 Hope.
[0:22] The attacker had left behind a clear DNA profile, and they
[0:26] believe this genetic evidence would quickly lead police to the
[0:29] perpetrator. But as weeks turned into months
[0:33] with no arrest, the investigation struggled to find
[0:36] a suspect. And when they did, this would be
[0:39] a story with more twists and turns than anyone could imagine.
[0:45] By early 1997, the Idaho Falls police were under intense
[0:50] pressure to solve Angie's case. A break came in January when a
[0:54] man named Benjamin Hobbs, part of Angie's social circle, was
[0:58] arrested in Nevada on an unrelated indecent assault
[1:02] charge. This prompted investigators to
[1:05] question Hobbs's Idaho friends, including 20 year old Chris Tap,
[1:10] who had been seen with Angie the night before her slaying.
[1:13] With no physical evidence tying Tap to the crime, detectives
[1:17] leaned heavily on intense interrogation techniques.
[1:22] Over the course of about 25 hours of questioning spread
[1:25] across multiple days, Tap told a patchwork of inconsistent
[1:29] stories. In fact, he told as many as six
[1:32] different accounts of what happened.
[1:34] Under intense pressure and deceptive tactics, he gradually
[1:38] shifted from denying any involvement to implying he was
[1:41] present but not involved directly, and eventually to
[1:45] confessing outright. The interrogation methods used
[1:51] on tap would later come under severe criticism.
[1:54] Police officers repeatedly threatened him, mentioning that
[1:58] his options were either the gas chamber or life in prison.
[2:02] They accused him of repressing memories, fed him details about
[2:06] the crime, and offered leniency in exchange for cooperation.
[2:10] Notably, many of the details offered weren't things that were
[2:14] publicly known about the crime, significantly tainting the
[2:18] confession. They even dangled an immunity
[2:21] deal at one point, only to withdraw it when his story
[2:25] didn't perfectly match the evidence.
[2:28] Bit by bit, the frightened young man was coerced into saying he
[2:32] had been part of a group attack on Angie, initially tap named
[2:36] Hobbes. Then, when DNA from the crime
[2:39] scene didn't match either of them, he implicated another
[2:42] friend as well. When that didn't turn out, the
[2:46] authorities concluded that he was likely covering for an as
[2:49] yet unknown third party. On the strength of this
[2:55] manufactured confession, prosecutors charged Tap with the
[2:59] offense, even though the DNA evidence from Angie's body still
[3:03] pointed to an unknown man. At trial in 1998, the
[3:07] prosecution acknowledged that Tap's DNA didn't match the
[3:11] biomaterial left at the scene. To explain this discrepancy,
[3:15] they proposed that multiple people had been involved in the
[3:18] attack, an assertion based solely on Taps questionable
[3:22] story. The defense argued that Taps
[3:25] confession was coerced and unreliable, but the jury
[3:28] ultimately found him guilty. He was sentenced to life in
[3:32] prison with a minimum of 30 years to be served behind bars.
[3:39] After Tap's conviction, significant doubts about the
[3:43] case persisted. The most glaring problem was the
[3:46] DNA tests on the biological evidence from the crime scene
[3:51] all indicated the same unknown man, definitively excluding TAP
[3:56] as the source. In the early 2000's, the Idaho
[4:01] Innocence Project and other advocates for wrongful
[4:03] conviction review took up Tap's case.
[4:09] They pointed out the red flags of a false confession and the
[4:12] lack of any physical evidence linking him to Angie's slaying.
[4:17] Additional DNA testing in 2008 confirmed that none of the
[4:20] genetic material at the scene came from TAP, further
[4:24] undermining the prosecution's theory.
[4:27] This test also confirmed with absolute certainty that the
[4:31] material recovered was from a single source only.
[4:35] Still, appeals in the courts failed one after another, and
[4:39] Tap remained in prison. One person's perspective was
[4:44] slowly changing during these years.
[4:47] Chris Tap was about to acquire a powerful ally in his fight for
[4:50] exoneration, Angie's mother, Carol Dodge.
[4:55] In the immediate aftermath, Carol had been eager to see Tap
[4:59] punished. At one point, she even pushed
[5:02] for the death penalty, convinced he was involved.
[5:06] But as time wore on, with no evidence of the supposed second
[5:09] perpetrator and more revelations about the interrogations,
[5:13] Carol's certainty eroded. In 2013, she watched the tapes
[5:19] of TAPS police interviews herself and was struck by how
[5:22] blatantly officers seemed to be feeding him information and
[5:26] coercing his statements. Carol came to believe that Taps
[5:30] confession was false and that her daughter's real killer was
[5:34] still out there. In a remarkable turn around, she
[5:38] became 1 of Taps strongest advocates determined to find the
[5:42] truth to both set an innocent man free and of course, for
[5:46] Angie's sake. With Carol's support, the effort
[5:51] to exonerate TAP gained momentum and lawyers with the Innocence
[5:55] Project and local Idaho attorneys pressed for new
[5:58] hearings. By 2017, this pressure produced
[6:03] a partial victory. Taps original conviction was
[6:06] vacated in a deal with prosecutors, and after serving
[6:10] 20 years in prison, he was released.
[6:13] However, the agreement didn't fully clear his name, and he
[6:16] wasn't officially exonerated. In the eyes of the law and the
[6:20] public, he was officially still a monster, but one who had done
[6:24] his time. In 2018, with Carol's
[6:29] encouragement, Idaho Falls authorities teamed up with a
[6:32] genetic genealogy company to re examine the DNA from Angie's
[6:36] case. This technique, which had then
[6:39] recently gained fame for catching the Golden State
[6:41] Killer, involved comparing the unknown suspect's DNA profile to
[6:46] data from millions of people. These people had voluntarily
[6:50] submitted their DNA to databases, and a family tree
[6:54] could be built out to find who the actual perpetrator was.
[6:58] The work was tough and the technology wasn't what it is
[7:01] today. Finally, in 2019, the
[7:07] painstaking genealogical detective work paid off.
[7:11] The research pointed to a new name that had been overlooked
[7:14] before, Brian Drips. Not only did Drips fit the
[7:19] genetic and demographic profile of the potential perp, he also
[7:23] had a direct tie to the case's original facts.
[7:27] Back in 1996, Drips had lived right across the street from
[7:31] Angie Dodge's apartment. He had been interviewed briefly
[7:35] in the initial neighborhood canvas, but he was never a
[7:38] suspect during the original investigation as attention had
[7:42] focused on Tap and his friends. Now, decades later, Drips
[7:48] emerged as the prime suspect through DNA, and the fates of
[7:52] Drips and Tap were about to intersect once again.
[7:56] Detectives tracked him to his new residence in Caldwell, ID,
[8:00] and in May 2019 they picked up a cigarette butt that Drips
[8:05] discarded on the street. Testing confirmed that the DNA
[8:09] on that tar filled tobacco torpedo exactly matched the
[8:13] genetic material from the crime scene.
[8:17] Confronted with this evidence, the 53 year old Brian Drips
[8:21] didn't hesitate to confess. He admitted that on the night of
[8:24] June 13th, 1996, he alone attacked Angie Dodge and he
[8:30] affirmed that Chris Tapp had no part in the crime.
[8:34] After nearly 23 years, the mystery of Angie's slaying was
[8:37] finally solved. In July 2019, an Idaho judge
[8:43] formally vacated Taps remaining conviction and dismissed all
[8:47] charges against him, fully exonerating him.
[8:51] And I have to mention it here since it's the elephant in the
[8:53] room, But there is, of course, a certain poetic element to a man
[8:58] called Tap being exonerated by Drips.
[9:01] Brian Drips later pleaded guilty and was sentenced to life in
[9:05] prison in 2021. Chris Tap, who served 20 years
[9:11] in prison for a crime he had no part in, eventually ended up
[9:15] suing the city of Idaho Falls. He reached a negotiated
[9:19] settlement for just over $11 million.
[9:22] This is where you may expect the saga of Chris Tap to end, but
[9:26] unfortunately, that wasn't the case at all.
[9:30] And some people simply have a terrible lot in life.
[9:35] On October 29th, 2023, Chris was allegedly slain by Daniel
[9:40] Rodemer, a former professional wrestler and politician.
[9:44] According to reports and allegations, Chris had offered
[9:48] Daniel's stepdaughter a bump of the Colombian Yeti confetti, to
[9:52] which Daniel didn't take kindly. Daniel Rodemer pleaded not
[9:56] guilty in March 2024 and remains innocent until proven guilty in
[10:01] a court of law. Rita Curran was a 24 year old
[10:06] woman living in the college town of Burlington, Vt in 1971.
[10:11] She was beloved by her family and well liked in the community.
[10:15] Rita had a passion for music. She sang in a barbershop quartet
[10:20] and was known for her kindness and generosity.
[10:23] During summer break, Rita took graduate courses at the
[10:27] University of Vermont and worked by day as a maid at a local
[10:30] hotel to earn some extra money. She was a second grade teacher
[10:35] looking forward to the new school term in the fall, and she
[10:39] had recently moved into an apartment near campus to enjoy a
[10:42] taste of independence. No one imagined that her bright
[10:46] future would soon be violently cut short.
[10:51] On the night of July 19th, 1971, Rita returned home around 10:00
[10:57] PM after a singing practice with her quartet.
[11:01] Two roommates shared the apartment with her, and shortly
[11:04] after Rita got home, they went out for a late snack, leaving
[11:07] her alone. Rita changed into her nightgown
[11:11] and prepared for bed. Sometime before midnight, an
[11:15] intruder slipped in, likely through an unlocked door, and
[11:19] attacked her in her bedroom. When the roommates came back
[11:23] after midnight, they walked into a nightmare.
[11:27] Rita's lifeless body was on the bedroom floor.
[11:30] She had been brutally beaten, subject to indecent assault and
[11:34] then strangled. There were no signs of forced
[11:37] entry, nothing of value was stolen, and the only strange
[11:41] clue was a discarded smoke near her body.
[11:45] Rita never lit up, so this clearly belonged to the perp.
[11:50] Burlington police launched a major investigation into Rita's
[11:54] slaying, and it was reported to be one of the most investigated
[11:57] cases in Burlington police history.
[12:00] Detectives interviewed many people, including every neighbor
[12:03] in her building. Among them was 31 year old
[12:07] William Deruse, who lived upstairs with his wife.
[12:11] Deruse claimed he knew nothing and his wife insisted he had
[12:14] been home with her all night, an alibi that led police to rule
[12:18] him out at the time. Investigators instead focused on
[12:22] other leads as they sifted through hundreds of tips and
[12:26] potential suspects. Physical evidence from the scene
[12:30] didn't match any known person back then, and DNA wouldn't have
[12:34] a forensic usage for decades. By the 1980s, Rita Curran's case
[12:41] had became one of Vermont's most notorious cold cases.
[12:45] With no answers, rumors and theories swirled.
[12:49] Some even speculated that Ted Bundy, who was born in
[12:52] Burlington, might have been responsible.
[12:56] For a time, investigators did consider Bundy as a possible
[12:59] suspect, but there was no evidence linking him to Rita's
[13:03] attack, and Bundy himself denied any involvement.
[13:07] Rita's sister Mary even wrote to Bundy in prison years later, but
[13:12] he never confessed or provided answers.
[13:15] Ultimately, the Bundy theory was dismissed and the case was left
[13:18] with no leads. For decades the current family
[13:24] lived with heartbreak and unanswered questions.
[13:27] In 2014, more than 4 decades after the crime, Burlington
[13:33] police tried a new tactic. They re examined the old
[13:37] evidence with modern forensic methods and managed to extract a
[13:40] male DNA profile from that long held cigarette butt.
[13:45] It was a significant find, but when they ran the DNA through
[13:49] national databases, it matched no known offender.
[13:54] That said, what it did definitively prove is that Bundy
[13:58] truly wasn't involved in the attack.
[14:01] Putting to rest this speculative theory, the file remained open
[14:06] and investigators continued to hope that one day science would
[14:09] provide a breakthrough. In 2019, the cold case got a
[14:16] fresh look with cutting edge tools.
[14:18] Detectives turned to investigative genetic genealogy,
[14:22] hoping to find the perpetrator's identity through DNA matches.
[14:27] The suspect's DNA from the cigarette was sent to a
[14:30] specialized lab. Interestingly, this technique
[14:33] pointed to a single name, William Deruse.
[14:38] The discovery was stunning. Deruse was the same former
[14:41] neighbor who had lived above Rita in 1971.
[14:45] Rita and Deruz likely hadn't even met prior to the attack,
[14:49] and she had only moved into the building a couple of weeks
[14:51] prior. After decades of dead ends,
[14:55] science led the police back to someone who had been under their
[14:58] noses the whole time. Police sought further
[15:01] confirmation. They tested DNA from Rita's
[15:05] clothing and other preserved evidence, and again, it pointed
[15:08] to Deruz. With evidence mounting,
[15:12] detectives approached his former wife.
[15:15] Confronted with the facts, she finally admitted that she lied
[15:18] about her husband's alibi all those years ago.
[15:22] On the night of the attack, she now revealed, the couple had
[15:25] fought and Daruse stormed out for a cool down walk at the
[15:29] critical time. He returned later and told her
[15:32] not to mention that he had been out and out of alleged fear and
[15:36] misguided loyalty, she kept his secret.
[15:39] This long hidden truth, combined with the DNA evidence, gave
[15:44] investigators what they needed to close the case.
[15:46] At last, in February 2023, Burlington's police chief
[15:53] announced at a press conference that the mystery had been
[15:55] solved. After committing the crime in
[15:58] 1971, de Ruse quietly left Vermont just days later.
[16:04] He eventually travelled overseas to Thailand and spent several
[16:07] years there as a Buddhist monk. A few years afterward, he
[16:11] resurfaced in California, where he remarried and lived under an
[16:15] assumed name, even becoming known by the nickname Dutch as a
[16:20] local guru. Those later chapters of his life
[16:24] appear to have been an attempt to either run from his violent
[16:27] past or atone for the extreme evil he committed.
[16:33] However, while this may have been his intent, things turned
[16:37] out a bit differently. Investigators discovered that
[16:40] Deruse had a history of aggression, even after his
[16:43] Buddhist rebrand. His second wife reported that he
[16:47] attacked her, choking her until she passed out, running counter
[16:52] to the supposed nonviolent philosophy he now ascribed to.
[16:56] He also stabbed a friend of the couple in an altercation.
[17:02] Crucially, William Deruse never faced justice in his lifetime
[17:06] for the slaying of Rita Curran In 1986, at age 46, he died of
[17:13] an overdose in a San Francisco hotel room under circumstances
[17:17] that aren't well understood. It remains unclear at this time
[17:21] why his first wife, who was abandoned days after the attack
[17:25] on Rita, never came forward to the authorities while he was
[17:29] still alive. It's also unclear if she knew
[17:32] his fate when she admitted what she knew, and it's possible that
[17:36] she was still living in fear of De Ruse, who was quite obviously
[17:40] an extremely violent man. On a quiet Saturday in January
[17:47] 1995, tragedy struck the city of Beaumont, TX.
[17:52] Mary Catherine Edwards, a 31 year old school teacher, failed
[17:56] to show up for a planned family lunch on January 14th, 1995.
[18:02] When repeated phone calls went unanswered, her concerned
[18:05] parents drove to her townhouse to check on her.
[18:09] Nothing could have prepared them for the scene they found.
[18:13] Mary Catherine was discovered dead, lying partially over her
[18:17] bathtub with her hands cuffed behind her back.
[18:21] In their horror and grief, her parents called 911, ushering
[18:25] local police into an investigation that would span
[18:28] decades. From the beginning, detectives
[18:33] faced intense pressure to solve the case, but the investigation
[18:36] proved challenging. The Beaumont Police Department
[18:40] scoured Catherine's townhouse for evidence, collecting items
[18:44] like a bedspread and the handcuffs used by the assailant.
[18:49] Crucially, they obtained the perpetrators DNA from the crime
[18:52] scene. However, in 1995, genetic
[18:56] profiling was in its infancy, and when they ran the sample
[19:00] through available databases, no match was found.
[19:04] The unknown DNA profile would sit in police storage for years
[19:08] as a silent witness, waiting for technology and luck to catch up.
[19:15] Investigators turned their attention to Catherine's
[19:17] acquaintances. Operating on the theory that she
[19:20] knew the perpetrator, an ex-boyfriend, David Perry
[19:25] emerged as an early person of interest.
[19:28] He had dated Catherine recently, and with no forced entry, it
[19:33] made sense to question someone who might have been welcomed
[19:35] into her home. Detectives tracked Perry down
[19:39] and inquired about his whereabouts on the night of the
[19:42] slaying. Perry had a solid alibi.
[19:45] He was out of town at the time of the crime, and he voluntarily
[19:49] provided adna sample. In a significant turn, Perry's
[19:53] DNA didn't match the crime scene evidence definitively ruling him
[19:57] out. Other leads and theories were
[20:02] pursued as well. Police tried tracing the serial
[20:05] number on the handcuffs, hoping it might lead to a purchaser or
[20:09] a link to a supplier, but this turned out to be a dead end.
[20:13] Over time, dozens of potential suspects were identified and
[20:18] their DNA compared to the crime scene profile.
[20:21] But one by one, these leads were eliminated.
[20:24] Each disappointment was a blow to Catherine's family and the
[20:27] detectives, who grew increasingly frustrated.
[20:31] By the late 1990s, despite the best efforts of the Beaumont
[20:35] police, the trail had gone cold. In April 2020, the authorities
[20:43] sent the DNA from Catherine's crime scene to Othram, a
[20:46] specialized private lab in Texas that could tease more
[20:49] information out of old genetic evidence.
[20:52] Othrum's advanced testing produced a detailed DNA profile
[20:56] suitable for genealogical analysis.
[20:59] The results that came back we're both encouraging and daunting.
[21:03] There were hits, and lots of them.
[21:06] The DNA didn't point to one person, but rather to a whole
[21:09] network of people who shared segments of the perpetrator's
[21:12] genetics. It appeared the unknown suspect
[21:18] had distant cousins who had uploaded their DNA, and many of
[21:22] these matches had something in common Cajun ancestry from
[21:26] Louisiana. This was a clue to the perp's
[21:29] heritage, but it also meant the suspect's family tree was likely
[21:34] large and deeply rooted in that region.
[21:37] The authorities began building out a massive family tree of the
[21:40] suspect's relatives based on the DNA matches.
[21:44] The workload ballooned quickly and the family tree grew to
[21:48] include nearly 10,000 names, a huge web of 3rd, 4th and 5th
[21:53] cousins spanning generations. Investigators noted that one of
[22:00] the key DNA matches was managed by a woman named Shara Lapointe.
[22:05] She had uploaded several of her family members DNA profiles to a
[22:08] public DNA profile used by law enforcement.
[22:12] In other words, a large chunk of the Cajun genetic matches were
[22:16] part of Shara's extended family tree in one way or the other.
[22:20] But that's not where investigators fortune stopped.
[22:25] It turned out that Cheryl Lapointe was no ordinary
[22:28] genealogy enthusiast. In a serendipitous twist, she
[22:32] was a professional genetic genealogist nicknamed the Gene
[22:36] Hunter, known for solving cold cases and identifying unknown
[22:40] crime victims. She ended up joining forces with
[22:43] the authorities, who leveraged her expert knowledge of
[22:46] interconnecting Cajun family trees.
[22:51] After months of exhausting work, a pivotal discovery was made
[22:56] late one night. Cheryl Lapointe was following a
[22:59] distant branch of the family tree, one with the common Cajun
[23:03] surname Thibodeau. She traced descendants of a
[23:07] particular couple to Beaumont, TX.
[23:10] This Beaumont couple, it turned out, had two sons.
[23:13] Digging further, she learned these sons had attended Forest
[23:17] Park High School in Beaumont, the very same school Mary
[23:20] Catherine Edwards had gone to in the 1980s.
[23:26] Now the investigative team had to determine which one might be
[23:29] their culprit, with their belief that based on their ages, it
[23:33] could be either man. Detectives started digging into
[23:37] both men's backgrounds for any red flags, and what they
[23:40] discovered made the decision on who to focus on shockingly easy.
[23:45] Clayton Foreman, the older of the brothers, had a very dark
[23:49] secret in his past. Records showed that back in
[23:53] 1981, when Clayton was in his early 20s, he had been arrested
[23:58] and charged with indecent assault on a young woman.
[24:02] Notably, this woman was a former high school classmate, and he
[24:07] also bound her hands. Clayton was convicted of the
[24:10] assault, but in a bizarre reflection of the era's
[24:13] leniency, he received only probation and a fine.
[24:18] And no, you don't have to rewind.
[24:20] He received a slap on the wrist for one of the worst crimes
[24:23] imaginable. Crucially, because this occurred
[24:28] long before modern DNA databases or even offender registries,
[24:33] Clayton's DNA was never collected.
[24:35] At the time, he had remained under the radar of law
[24:39] enforcement databases, which explained why the crime scene
[24:42] DNA in Catherine's case had never hit on his name.
[24:46] The connection between Catherine and Clayton was about to get
[24:49] much more direct. However.
[24:54] Clayton had a social link to her.
[24:56] Catherine had been a bridesmaid in Clayton Foreman's first
[24:59] wedding back in 1982. One of Catherine's close friends
[25:04] was marrying Clayton, and both Catherine and her twin sister
[25:09] stood in the wedding party for their friend.
[25:12] This revelation was the unexpected twist that gave
[25:15] everyone pause. The gentle, caring teacher who
[25:18] was slain in the most horrific way had once smiled for photos
[25:23] at the wedding of the man now suspected of ending her life.
[25:28] The authorities began the hunt for Clayton, which wasn't hard
[25:32] to do given his deep local roots.
[25:35] After his marriage failed, he eventually left Beaumont and
[25:39] over the years drifted far from Texas, living in several states
[25:43] over the years. By 2021, the then 60 year old
[25:47] Clayton Foreman was living a quiet life in Reynoldsburg, OH,
[25:52] where he worked as an Uber driver.
[25:55] And yeah, just consider that for a second.
[25:58] This is a guy who likely had intoxicated women get into his
[26:02] vehicle with him alone at night because they thought that was
[26:05] the safer thing to do. Armed with this knowledge,
[26:10] Beaumont police and the Texas Rangers prepared to move in on
[26:13] Clayton Foreman. But before they could make an
[26:16] arrest, they needed one more piece of irrefutable evidence, a
[26:21] direct DNA match to tie Clayton to the crime scene.
[26:25] The DNA profile pointing to him was strong, but it was built
[26:29] through relatives. An exact match was necessary to
[26:32] clinch the case. To obtain Clayton's DNA without
[26:35] tipping him off, investigators organized a covert operation
[26:39] known as a trash pole. In early 2021, officers in Ohio
[26:45] quietly surveilled Clayton's residence and waited for him to
[26:49] put out his garbage on the curb. Once the trash was in a public
[26:53] area, law enforcement swooped in and collected discarded items
[26:58] that might contain Clayton's genetic material.
[27:02] The bag of trash was shipped to the Texas Department of Public
[27:05] Safety Crime lab for analysis, where forensic scientists
[27:09] eagerly tested the contents for DNA.
[27:12] The cops hit pay dirt and one of the items in his trash contained
[27:16] his genetic material. They compared this profile
[27:19] directly to the DNA from the 1995 crime scene and got an
[27:23] astronomically precise match. The odds were on the order of
[27:28] one in 461 septillion that the DNA could belong to anyone other
[27:33] than Clayton Foreman. On April 29th, 2021, Texas
[27:40] Rangers and Ohio police made their move.
[27:43] In a poignant touch, the officers brought along a very
[27:46] special set of handcuffs for the occasion.
[27:49] The same pair of police issue handcuffs recovered from
[27:52] Catherine's bathroom in 1995. Those cuffs, which had once been
[27:57] a grim piece of evidence binding A victim, were now snapped shut
[28:01] around the wrists of the accused perpetrator.
[28:06] After his arrest, Clayton Foreman was extradited back to
[28:10] Texas to stand trial. It took nearly 30 years from the
[28:14] day of the crime, but in March 2024, the case of Mary Catherine
[28:19] Edwards finally went before a jury in Beaumont.
[28:23] I'm probably not going to surprise you when I say that the
[28:25] forensic evidence presented to the jury was absolutely damning.
[28:30] Experts testified about the genetic genealogy trail and the
[28:34] astronomical probability that anyone other than Clayton
[28:37] Foreman could have left the DNA at the crime scene.
[28:41] Jurors learned about the old assault case from 1981,
[28:45] establishing a pattern of behavior.
[28:47] Foreman's defense, by contrast, had little to counter with.
[28:51] In fact, Foreman's attorney declined to make any substantive
[28:54] opening statement, perhaps recognizing the weight of
[28:57] evidence against his client. After a week long trial filled
[29:02] with evidence and heartfelt testimonies, the case went to
[29:05] the jury. It didn't take long, under an
[29:09] hour of deliberation for the jury to return with a verdict of
[29:13] guilty. At 63 years old, Clayton Foreman
[29:19] was sentenced to life in prison with the earliest possibility of
[29:23] parole decades away. In fact, he'll not even be
[29:26] eligible for parole until he has served 30 years, by which time
[29:30] he'll be in his 90s. In all likelihood, he'll spend
[29:34] the rest of his days behind bars, perhaps reminiscing over
[29:38] those years of freedom he got to undeservingly enjoy.
[29:42] For Mary Catherine's family and friends, the verdict was a
[29:46] long-awaited deliverance. Outside the courthouse, they
[29:50] expressed gratitude to the investigators who persisted and
[29:53] the scientists who provided new tools to crack the case.
[29:59] Foreman lived all over the country, and given that he put
[30:02] himself in a position where he had access to vulnerable people
[30:05] as an Uber driver, there may be more horrific crimes associated
[30:09] with him. For now though, the reality is
[30:13] he'll never see the light of day again.
[30:16] Hey everyone, it's Jimmy here. Just thanking you for tuning in
[30:19] and sticking around till the end.
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