# Ep 3 - Meet Bear - The Unlikely Hero

An episode of [What Happened To…](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1812362613), 28 Jun 2026, 33 min.

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Information comes forward around another possible person of interest in the case of the missing children but not from police, from a BIkie called Bear. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Apoche production.
[0:11] Speaker 2: On a sunny Saturday at the football in Adelaide in
[0:13] Speaker 2: nineteen seventy three.
[0:15] Speaker 3: And the rover will put it forward from Santa Wing
[0:17] Speaker 3: towards Santa hart Ford Hobby in the front spot. Couldn't
[0:19] Speaker 3: pull it down.
[0:19] Speaker 1: Knocked on intelligently by surreal format.
[0:22] Speaker 2: Eleven year old Joanne Ratcliffe took her four year old
[0:25] Speaker 2: friend Kirsty Gordon to the toilet. They were never seen again.
[0:37] Speaker 2: Fifty three years later, joeanne sister Susie is still searching.
[0:41] Speaker 1: Well.
[0:42] Speaker 3: Of all the baffling crimes that have been committed in
[0:44] Speaker 3: this city, few are more heartbreaking than the disappearance of
[0:47] Speaker 3: Kirsty Gordon and Johann Ratcliffe. But you're having a body
[0:51] Speaker 3: to bury and to actually grieve for her.
[0:55] Speaker 2: Probably there are theories that were seen in the company
[1:04] Speaker 2: of a wearing a check coat and a brimmed hat leading.
[1:08] Speaker 1: Them from the ground, never to be seen again.
[1:12] Speaker 4: It was a crime that.
[1:15] Speaker 1: One would think was a part of a child abuse
[1:20] Speaker 1: type of thing, you know, So.
[1:22] Speaker 2: Do you think there could be a link between what
[1:23] Speaker 2: pedophilia and.
[1:24] Speaker 3: The absolutely absolutely no doubt about the suspects.
[1:29] Speaker 1: He should probably be in a mental institution to tell
[1:31] Speaker 1: you the truth rather than imprison.
[1:34] Speaker 4: The gentleman that was dressed in women's clothing was sort
[1:38] Speaker 4: of loitering around whether the ladies.
[1:41] Speaker 2: Toilets were rumors.
[1:43] Speaker 1: It's childhood and how do you access that while your
[1:46] Speaker 1: in prisons and he was put on that property by government.
[1:50] Speaker 1: He was sent out to there to get him away
[1:52] Speaker 1: from Adelaide because he was molesting too many children and
[1:56] Speaker 1: possible cover ups. If you've got a pedophile ring that's
[2:02] Speaker 1: catering for the high tienne of anxiety, you'd probably want
[2:07] Speaker 1: to protect that set.
[2:08] Speaker 2: Of boring what happened to joe Anne and Kirsty.
[2:14] Speaker 3: No, just appeal to those now, do you that may
[2:17] Speaker 3: have close answers, please find it within your heart during
[2:22] Speaker 3: crime stalkers put an end to our pain.
[2:27] Speaker 1: Thank you, Susan.
[2:29] Speaker 2: So far we've heard that joe Anne Ratcliffe and Kirsty
[2:32] Speaker 2: Gordon went missing or were more likely abducted, from the
[2:36] Speaker 2: Adelaide Oval on August twenty five, nineteen seventy three. The
[2:40] Speaker 2: family have spent years searching for answers, and although there
[2:44] Speaker 2: were some sightings of the girls both leaving the oval
[2:46] Speaker 2: and around the area of the oval on the day,
[2:49] Speaker 2: police have never arrested or charged anyone with their abduction.
[2:52] Speaker 2: No bodies have ever been found. We've shared with you
[2:58] Speaker 2: the detail of one suspect, a pedophile who was charged
[3:01] Speaker 2: with the murder of two children in Queensland, but was
[3:04] Speaker 2: never convinced and escaped any punishment because the courts deemed
[3:08] Speaker 2: him unfit to stand trial because of dementia. Arthur Brown,
[3:13] Speaker 2: by the records, died an innocent man, although most people
[3:17] Speaker 2: believe he was far from innocent. Head back to the
[3:20] Speaker 2: first few episodes to hear the story unfold. Right now,
[3:23] Speaker 2: let's return to Susie's recount of the police actions soon
[3:27] Speaker 2: after her sister Joanne and young friend Kirsty disappeared. There
[3:32] Speaker 2: was a reward offered for your sister and for Kirsty.
[3:38] Speaker 2: It started out at two hundred thousand dollars.
[3:41] Speaker 4: Yep, well, it actually started out just after the girls disappeared.
[3:44] Speaker 4: It started out at five thousand dollars. That's what the
[3:47] Speaker 4: government put up back in seventies. Five thousand dollars was
[3:53] Speaker 4: a lot of money. I suppose the public didn't think
[3:56] Speaker 4: that was enough. There was a heap of guys they
[4:03] Speaker 4: donated part of their way to the reward. There was
[4:09] Speaker 4: also workers from tip Top Bakery, where my dad worked.
[4:14] Speaker 4: They donated part of their wage, and Tiptop Bakery itself
[4:17] Speaker 4: donated one thousand dollars, so it ended up being a
[4:20] Speaker 4: total of ten thousand dollars around that time, which, as
[4:23] Speaker 4: I said, in the seventies, it was quite a lot
[4:25] Speaker 4: of money. Over the years, the reward was increased two
[4:29] Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars for information leading to the location of
[4:35] Speaker 4: the girls or to the apprehension and conviction of the abductor.
[4:42] Speaker 4: In twenty thirteen, I read on a Facebook post that
[4:50] Speaker 4: there was a five hundred thousand dollar reward offered for
[4:54] Speaker 4: information into the murder of a known drug dealer in
[5:00] Speaker 4: South Australia, and it got me quite upset because I
[5:06] Speaker 4: felt that they valued a drug dealer as being more
[5:12] Speaker 4: important than the life of our two girls. And then
[5:17] Speaker 4: also sort of looked across at some of the other
[5:19] Speaker 4: rewards being offered and thought, well, one hundred thousand dollars
[5:22] Speaker 4: for the Baiomont children and that's pocket change to some people.
[5:28] Speaker 4: I spoke with the detective inspector in South Australia and
[5:36] Speaker 4: basically pushed for an increase in the reward. You know,
[5:40] Speaker 4: I hoped even if it was just going to be like,
[5:41] Speaker 4: you know, five hundred thousand dollars equal to that of
[5:44] Speaker 4: what they were issuing for the information for the drug dealer.
[5:49] Speaker 4: After the detective inspector and the Victims of Crime officer
[5:52] Speaker 4: from South Australia come over and spoke with me at
[5:55] Speaker 4: my home in Wangarada, we had quite a lengthy, quite
[5:59] Speaker 4: volatile conversation on my part. They agreed that yes, something
[6:06] Speaker 4: needed to be done. There needed to be more publicity
[6:09] Speaker 4: around not just the girl's cases, but to all cases
[6:13] Speaker 4: for them to realize that it's not just another file,
[6:15] Speaker 4: it's not just another case number that they bring up
[6:18] Speaker 4: on their computer or pull out of the cardboard box
[6:21] Speaker 4: on the occasion. There needs to be more dedication to
[6:25] Speaker 4: the girl's case. There needs to be more investigations, there
[6:29] Speaker 4: needs to be more publicity, and there certainly needs to
[6:32] Speaker 4: be a larger reward. In February twenty fourteen, they invited
[6:39] Speaker 4: me over to South Australia to announce an increase in
[6:44] Speaker 4: the reward. They didn't tell me exactly what was going
[6:47] Speaker 4: on until that night before the announcement, and so it
[6:53] Speaker 4: was a hell of a shock to me. When they
[6:56] Speaker 4: told me that the reward was going to be increased
[6:58] Speaker 4: to a million dollars, not just for joe Anne and Kirsty,
[7:03] Speaker 4: but for that they want children Mikaylakadoll, Maarren Corman, one Morgan.
[7:13] Speaker 4: In total, it was eighteen kids under the age of eighteen,
[7:22] Speaker 4: well the thirteen cases. Basically we're going to be increased
[7:25] Speaker 4: to a million dollars.
[7:27] Speaker 2: I would like to invite Susie Radcliffe to say a
[7:31] Speaker 2: little about what the offer of this set of rewards
[7:35] Speaker 2: means to her.
[7:37] Speaker 3: Family and other families like her.
[7:40] Speaker 4: SUSI, if you can.
[7:44] Speaker 3: Thank you. First thing I'd like to thank everyone that's
[7:50] Speaker 3: been involved in this is it's a major significant change
[7:59] Speaker 3: for my family and for other families that have lost
[8:03] Speaker 3: their children. If this helps the vital clue to bringing
[8:10] Speaker 3: our girls home or other children, then that's all that matters.
[8:17] Speaker 3: Living day by day not knowing where our children are
[8:24] Speaker 3: is It's incomprehensible. It's a pain no one should ever
[8:28] Speaker 3: have to endure. My family have missed out on seeing
[8:35] Speaker 3: my sister grow up, go to school, all the different
[8:40] Speaker 3: highs and loves of her life, getting married and having
[8:42] Speaker 3: children of her own. My parents had to lose a
[8:49] Speaker 3: child that you never believe that you're going to lose
[8:53] Speaker 3: a child, who always believe the children are going to
[8:56] Speaker 3: bury you, And to lose a child to ill health,
[9:01] Speaker 3: it's something that it's painful, but you can at least
[9:04] Speaker 3: bearry them and you can grieve for them properly. But
[9:08] Speaker 3: not having a body to bury and to actually grieve
[9:14] Speaker 3: for her properly, it's right to take it till I'm sorry.
[9:28] Speaker 3: This reward could mean the answers that my family and
[9:33] Speaker 3: so many other families have been waiting for for so long,
[9:37] Speaker 3: and I just appeal to those out there that may
[9:40] Speaker 3: have those answers, please find it within your heart to
[9:45] Speaker 3: bring crime stoppers and put it into our pain.
[9:51] Speaker 1: Thank you, Susie.
[10:00] Speaker 2: I'm guessing that once this million dollars was offered, this
[10:05] Speaker 2: would have brought about a whole bunch of calls, as
[10:07] Speaker 2: you said, one hundred and fifty odd. But equally people
[10:10] Speaker 2: coming out of the woodwork, like private investigators starting to think, well,
[10:15] Speaker 2: if there's a million dollars on this, suddenly, if we
[10:19] Speaker 2: can find the answer, there's a pretty large payday coming
[10:22] Speaker 2: for us. Is that where the information from Robert Cameron,
[10:27] Speaker 2: the private investigator started.
[10:30] Speaker 4: Nope, Nope. Robert, or Bear as he's affectionately known as
[10:39] Speaker 4: he started this investigation long before the rewards were even announced.
[10:45] Speaker 4: Both him and a number of his colleagues had been
[10:51] Speaker 4: investigating the girl's case for at least four or five
[10:55] Speaker 4: years previous.
[10:57] Speaker 2: Robert Cameron, or Bear as he's known, is a former
[11:01] Speaker 2: bikey who now owns a tattoo parlor in Adelaide. He's
[11:05] Speaker 2: also a private investigator who came to learn about the
[11:08] Speaker 2: Adelaide Oval abductions for a person known to him long
[11:13] Speaker 2: before any rewards were offered, and long before he met
[11:16] Speaker 2: Susie or any members of the Radcliffe family. Bear is
[11:21] Speaker 2: as you would expect, a heavily tattooed, larger man who
[11:24] Speaker 2: has a beard, often wears a bucket hat and rides
[11:28] Speaker 2: a harley. He sounds scary, but as you hear Susie
[11:31] Speaker 2: describe him and how he's helped the family, you can
[11:35] Speaker 2: tell he really cares.
[11:37] Speaker 4: I didn't know this guy from a borough soap, or
[11:41] Speaker 4: any of the guys for that matter. I'd never met
[11:45] Speaker 4: them before, I'd never spoken to them before. And then yeah,
[11:50] Speaker 4: out of the blue, he was like a you know,
[11:55] Speaker 4: an angel on horseback, just come in and you know,
[12:01] Speaker 4: he he's made such an impact on our family. I
[12:08] Speaker 4: a few years ago now. I surprised him, and I
[12:14] Speaker 4: surprised mum. Bear was living in Adelaidy, used to own
[12:21] Speaker 4: a tattoo shop there. I took Mum around there. She
[12:26] Speaker 4: had no idea where we were going. And it wasn't
[12:28] Speaker 4: until we're walking through the door I told her what
[12:30] Speaker 4: we were doing. And Bear come into the room. And
[12:36] Speaker 4: I'd already met him on a previous occasion, but he
[12:41] Speaker 4: walked into the room and he just he looked at
[12:45] Speaker 4: Mum and he started crying straight away. You know, this big,
[12:49] Speaker 4: massive hulk of a man, he's he's like a bear,
[12:56] Speaker 4: and yeah, he just him and Mum just they wrapped
[12:59] Speaker 4: each other up in this massive hug. And I mean
[13:03] Speaker 4: that was for anyone watching. They didn't know the story.
[13:07] Speaker 4: They think it'd be quite funny because my Mum at
[13:09] Speaker 4: that stage was about thirty eight kilo. She was just
[13:12] Speaker 4: this little toothpick of a woman and you could barely
[13:15] Speaker 4: see her because of Bear being so big. But they
[13:19] Speaker 4: just they landed in this massive hug for quite some time.
[13:26] Speaker 4: They were both crying and Mum when they finally broke apart.
[13:31] Speaker 4: Mum said to Bear, she goes, you have given me
[13:36] Speaker 4: hope that I haven't felt in an incredibly long time.
[13:42] Speaker 4: And to hear that that broke me, because you know,
[13:49] Speaker 4: it's been such a long time that Mum seriously thought that,
[13:55] Speaker 4: you know, we may just be able to bring her home,
[14:02] Speaker 4: you know. And and Bear and his team have been incredible.
[14:06] Speaker 2: When I spoke with Bear, he was at home in
[14:08] Speaker 2: Adelaide with his dogs. You'll hear them in the background
[14:11] Speaker 2: occasionally through our chat. We picked up after Bear tells
[14:15] Speaker 2: me that he learned of a letter, a sort of
[14:17] Speaker 2: confession that was given to one of his mates who
[14:20] Speaker 2: knew a man called Mark Kevin Marshall who was in
[14:23] Speaker 2: jail for various crimes and was a known pedophile. Bear's
[14:28] Speaker 2: mate met him at a cafe in Adelaide and handed
[14:31] Speaker 2: him the confession from Mark Marshall.
[14:33] Speaker 1: Had a little cafe and which is a link to
[14:39] Speaker 1: all of this as well. That's why he took me
[14:41] Speaker 1: to that campe and he handed me a statement from
[14:46] Speaker 1: a fellow called Mark Krevm Marshall and who was in
[14:50] Speaker 1: prison for various pedophilia crimes allegedly. I believe he is
[15:00] Speaker 1: definitely a pedophile, but he was also a victim of
[15:05] Speaker 1: this ring of pedophiles, so he's grown into monkey see
[15:09] Speaker 1: monkey do. This guy's fair enough, is a serial pest.
[15:17] Speaker 1: But he's also been held in jail for it must
[15:22] Speaker 1: be getting into the teens now. It must be thirteen
[15:27] Speaker 1: fourteen years that I know he's been in jail for.
[15:30] Speaker 1: And every time a charge comes up to court, things
[15:35] Speaker 1: get dropped, and then he's looking like he's going to
[15:38] Speaker 1: get released, and then they just bring up another charge
[15:41] Speaker 1: and they keep him in prison, and they've just they
[15:45] Speaker 1: don't want him released, which is fair enough. He shouldn't
[15:48] Speaker 1: be in public in society as a normal civilian because
[15:54] Speaker 1: he's definitely got problems. He should probably be in a
[15:58] Speaker 1: mental institution, to tell you the truth, rather than in prison.
[16:02] Speaker 2: Every time that he goes to get out. And the
[16:04] Speaker 2: last time he went to get out, I read that
[16:06] Speaker 2: actually the prison guards had searched his cell and found
[16:10] Speaker 2: pornographic material and names and addresses of young children.
[16:15] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[16:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, How do you access pornographics, especially if it's child porn?
[16:23] Speaker 1: How do you access that while you're in prison and.
[16:26] Speaker 2: You believe that this is part of a pedophilia ring
[16:29] Speaker 2: that has been around in Adelaide for some time? Is
[16:32] Speaker 2: that right?
[16:33] Speaker 1: Oh? Decades and decades mate.
[16:34] Speaker 2: Mark Trevor Marshall claims to know what happened to Joe
[16:38] Speaker 2: Ann and Kirsty. How did you find out about the claim?
[16:42] Speaker 2: You mentioned that you got information or a letter that
[16:45] Speaker 2: Mark had written in jail.
[16:47] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've got a statement that he'd made for the
[16:49] Speaker 1: Mulligan Inquiry and I've actually got a copy of the
[16:54] Speaker 1: Mulligan Inquiry and everything. And this statement was handed to
[17:00] Speaker 1: the Mulligan Inquiry via Mark and because he was in
[17:06] Speaker 1: a state ward, they didn't investigate it.
[17:10] Speaker 2: The Mulligan Inquiry was an inquiry held in two thousand
[17:13] Speaker 2: and six. In two thousand and seven and was investigating
[17:16] Speaker 2: the abuse of children in state care. The inquiry which
[17:21] Speaker 2: included fifteen hundred and ninety two allegations of sexual abuse
[17:25] Speaker 2: and the investigation of deaths of over nine hundred and
[17:28] Speaker 2: twenty four children in state care. Mark Marshall appeared in
[17:36] Speaker 2: front of Commissioner Mulligan to detail what happened to him.
[17:40] Speaker 2: As part of that. There were questions around his confession
[17:43] Speaker 2: letter that Bear had seen from his mate.
[17:46] Speaker 1: The cafe Ah Yeah, I read them from three or
[17:50] Speaker 1: four different point of view, as a critic, as a skeptic,
[17:54] Speaker 1: as somebody that may try to put myself in issues
[18:01] Speaker 1: sort of thing, to think of what he was talking
[18:04] Speaker 1: about everything, And a lot of it does sound like ramblings,
[18:09] Speaker 1: but a lot of it makes sense. We pulled the
[18:11] Speaker 1: statement apart. Me and a couple of friends of mine.
[18:14] Speaker 1: We sat there and we pulled the statement apart and
[18:17] Speaker 1: took out all the names and everything. And there's nineteen
[18:19] Speaker 1: missing children involved in that statement.
[18:22] Speaker 2: And all of those children are named.
[18:24] Speaker 1: In that statement, in that statement, and so he would.
[18:27] Speaker 2: Have to know intrinsic details of their disappearances, because as
[18:32] Speaker 2: we get into your story, he gave you some information
[18:35] Speaker 2: or it was certainly written in that statement that you
[18:37] Speaker 2: then went and followed up on and were able to,
[18:41] Speaker 2: I guess, prove some of the stuff that he had written,
[18:44] Speaker 2: in particular about joe Anen Kirsty in his statement. What
[18:48] Speaker 2: was the most shocking thing that you read in his
[18:50] Speaker 2: statement there?
[18:51] Speaker 1: Oh, the most shocking thing would probably be just the
[18:56] Speaker 1: general everyday treatment of this child when he was a child.
[19:01] Speaker 1: Now he was a child at the point of all
[19:04] Speaker 1: of this, all of this taking place. You know, I
[19:07] Speaker 1: mean he was a very young child, and so you
[19:12] Speaker 1: can understand some of the ramblings. You'd be getting memory
[19:18] Speaker 1: flashbacks in this back, this, that and the next thing.
[19:20] Speaker 1: And this is what I presume would have happened with him,
[19:26] Speaker 1: and he was molested on a daily basis, along with
[19:31] Speaker 1: numerous other children.
[19:33] Speaker 2: The opening of the transcript between Mark Marshall and the
[19:36] Speaker 2: Commissioner is quite telling and also gives further insight into
[19:40] Speaker 2: what shaped Mark Marshall as a child. The following is
[19:44] Speaker 2: graphic in nature and is not intended to shock or disturb,
[19:48] Speaker 2: but to give you some background on the allegations made
[19:51] Speaker 2: by Mark. There is a trigger warning here around child
[19:54] Speaker 2: abuse and items of a sexual nature. On March sixteen,
[20:02] Speaker 2: two thousand and seven, Mark told the Commissioner that the
[20:05] Speaker 2: start of his abuse began when he was held at
[20:07] Speaker 2: knife point by his dad from the daytime until the
[20:11] Speaker 2: evening because he'd told his teachers at school about some
[20:15] Speaker 2: stuff that was happening at home. They were trying to
[20:18] Speaker 2: ask him questions, but his dad wouldn't let Mark answer them.
[20:28] Speaker 2: The commissioner then goes on to ask Mark if his
[20:31] Speaker 2: dad did things to him, and Mark answered with yes.
[20:41] Speaker 2: He then stated it started a long time ago, from
[20:45] Speaker 2: when he was a baby until he went to jail
[20:47] Speaker 2: for the first time, which he thought was about eighteen
[20:50] Speaker 2: or nineteen. He then also claims about what his dad
[20:55] Speaker 2: did to him and his brothers and other children. Without
[21:00] Speaker 2: trying to make Mark Marshall a victim in this, he
[21:03] Speaker 2: certainly was a victim. There's some terrible abuse at a
[21:07] Speaker 2: very young age.
[21:08] Speaker 1: Yeah, he definitely was, without a doubt.
[21:11] Speaker 2: And it wasn't just Mark's dad that was doing this
[21:13] Speaker 2: sort of stuff to him. It was also his granddad,
[21:17] Speaker 2: or Popper as he calls him. And Popper is actually
[21:21] Speaker 2: Mark's dad's father, Is that right, Stanley Hart, Yes, that's Popper.
[21:27] Speaker 1: As Mark there was a pedophile.
[21:30] Speaker 2: Mark's statement says that this pedophilia that has happened to
[21:34] Speaker 2: him as a young child is almost passed down through generations.
[21:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, if this is part of your life every single day, oh,
[21:46] Speaker 1: you're going to think it's normal, aren't you.
[21:49] Speaker 2: There is one thing that he wrote in the statement
[21:51] Speaker 2: which I will read because we're going to refer to
[21:53] Speaker 2: it later in the podcast, and I think you need
[21:56] Speaker 2: to know what it means so that you understand because
[21:58] Speaker 2: He refers to this particular term a lot throughout his
[22:02] Speaker 2: statement in the in the ramblings that I've seen, and
[22:05] Speaker 2: also then the statement he made to the commissioner in
[22:08] Speaker 2: two thousand and seven. He said that there was a
[22:11] Speaker 2: practice that he refers to as tunneling. The commissioner at
[22:16] Speaker 2: the time asked what tunneling was because he didn't understand.
[22:20] Speaker 2: And it was a process of using an implement, normally
[22:22] Speaker 2: a knitting needle, to penetrate the children, and then after
[22:29] Speaker 2: that they would then use a beer bottle to do
[22:34] Speaker 2: the same to the boys and to other people that
[22:38] Speaker 2: had been at the house. There was also a room
[22:40] Speaker 2: in that house that Mark talks a fair bit about.
[22:44] Speaker 2: Can you tell me about that room that he refers to.
[22:47] Speaker 2: I think it was called the sexy room.
[22:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know which room would have actually been
[22:55] Speaker 1: in the sexting room. It was probably the room that
[22:57] Speaker 1: he calls Ricky's room, which is out the back.
[23:04] Speaker 3: How just.
[23:07] Speaker 1: It was just an absolute mess, and there was mattresses everywhere.
[23:13] Speaker 1: There was eleven eleven single bed mattresses in one room
[23:18] Speaker 1: and all stacked on top of each other. And he
[23:24] Speaker 1: described the place quite well in his little mud map
[23:27] Speaker 1: that he drew up. We actually initially searched for the
[23:31] Speaker 1: We went and bought maps in that and started searching
[23:35] Speaker 1: for the town. We couldn't find the prop the town
[23:39] Speaker 1: on a map, and then I went onto Google and
[23:43] Speaker 1: actually found the town. And as we moved down the
[23:46] Speaker 1: street on the Google app, I saw the pine trees
[23:51] Speaker 1: that he'd drawn on the map, and all the hair
[23:53] Speaker 1: stood up on my neck and I thought, oh my god, well,
[23:56] Speaker 1: this place does exist. And that was the most horrifying
[24:02] Speaker 1: thing of all. Like, after I'd read the statement, I
[24:04] Speaker 1: found out that place actually existed. I me and a
[24:12] Speaker 1: group of friends. We took three carloads. I was because
[24:15] Speaker 1: we were a little bit of paranoid, so we took
[24:17] Speaker 1: three carloads. I was up there and went and filmed
[24:22] Speaker 1: the place and went and checked it all out, and yeah,
[24:28] Speaker 1: it was. It was pretty horrifying. But we walked in
[24:31] Speaker 1: and we found various bits of evidence and stuff laying around,
[24:36] Speaker 1: Like we found a hat that fits the description of
[24:40] Speaker 1: the hat the guy was wearing when he took the kids.
[24:45] Speaker 1: There was a doctor's book in a cupboard in the
[24:48] Speaker 1: land room, and when it was it was a prescription
[24:52] Speaker 1: properties guide and it kind of tells you how to
[24:56] Speaker 1: use prescription drugs properly and what they used for and are.
[25:00] Speaker 1: And when we opened it, the book opened to a
[25:05] Speaker 1: page that you know how a book's been opened frequently
[25:09] Speaker 1: to a certain page. Well, it is opened to a
[25:11] Speaker 1: page where it tells you how to use particular drugs
[25:16] Speaker 1: to put somebody in a hypnotic tranitch. The hat was
[25:19] Speaker 1: in the back room, and I'd say that was that
[25:22] Speaker 1: was the sexing room. I'd say, but you're.
[25:27] Speaker 2: A pretty hard man. I'm imagining, without going into detail,
[25:31] Speaker 2: as part of a motorcycle gang, you would have seen
[25:33] Speaker 2: some pretty heavy shit.
[25:34] Speaker 1: Uh yeah, kind of Yeah. Did this show punch and stuff? Yeah?
[25:40] Speaker 2: And I'm guessing it was through the eighties and nineties, right,
[25:43] Speaker 2: so you know back in the days where there were
[25:45] Speaker 2: no laws against you hanging out with each other, so
[25:47] Speaker 2: you know that that was that was the norm. How
[25:50] Speaker 2: did what you saw in the house compared to what
[25:53] Speaker 2: you've seen in your previous life?
[25:56] Speaker 1: Ah? Well I was. I was shocked and everybody because
[26:02] Speaker 1: I had to share what I was doing with my
[26:03] Speaker 1: club because we're not allowed to we weren't allowed to
[26:06] Speaker 1: speak to police and stuff like that, so I had
[26:10] Speaker 1: to get permission from my club to do it. I
[26:18] Speaker 1: was pretty horrified and so were most of the fellas,
[26:21] Speaker 1: and because it was to do with children, they gave
[26:24] Speaker 1: me permission.
[26:24] Speaker 3: To go on with it.
[26:28] Speaker 2: Have you been to jail before?
[26:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been to jail.
[26:32] Speaker 2: What happens to a prisoner that is in jail that's
[26:37] Speaker 2: committed some of the acts that Mark Marshall has done
[26:40] Speaker 2: and his dad at his pop.
[26:42] Speaker 1: They're usually protected, They usually put in protective custody, but
[26:49] Speaker 1: if they're in the general populace, even in protective custody,
[26:52] Speaker 1: they get beating and gugs of boil and water thrown
[26:57] Speaker 1: on them and all sorts of stuff. But fair enough,
[27:01] Speaker 1: I believe that there probably should be a definitely the
[27:05] Speaker 1: people are.
[27:07] Speaker 2: The detail in the confession that Mark Marshall wrote and
[27:10] Speaker 2: was passed on to Bear and then to Susie is
[27:14] Speaker 2: rambling at best. It's long and difficult to read, not
[27:19] Speaker 2: just because of the graphic nature, but it sometimes goes
[27:22] Speaker 2: off in tangents and it's hard to follow. It's handwritten
[27:26] Speaker 2: and badly spelt, but there is a meticulousness to his statement.
[27:31] Speaker 2: Each page has an index with reference points, so you
[27:35] Speaker 2: can sort of follow along he's highlighted some of the
[27:38] Speaker 2: worst things you can imagine happening to a child, and
[27:41] Speaker 2: worse still by a child's parents and grandparents. His letter
[27:46] Speaker 2: was actually given to me by Susie Ratcliffe, and when
[27:48] Speaker 2: we talked about it, Susie said it took a good
[27:50] Speaker 2: six months for her to read. For Susie, it wasn't
[27:55] Speaker 2: about the disjointedness. It was that this document contained lots
[27:59] Speaker 2: of references to her sister Joanne and some of the
[28:02] Speaker 2: vile things that Mark Marshall alleges were done to her.
[28:09] Speaker 4: His statement, which I have a copy of, it's quite
[28:19] Speaker 4: mind boggling and it's very confronting with the details that
[28:26] Speaker 4: he goes over does explain. He goes into quite a
[28:31] Speaker 4: lot of detail about how the girls were kidnapped, what
[28:38] Speaker 4: his grandfather did to them over the ensuring days, and
[28:42] Speaker 4: then how they ended up in the barrels which were
[28:47] Speaker 4: ultimately dumped at the Bikina Dam. And with all of
[28:53] Speaker 4: these details that he's given to in this statement, Bear
[28:58] Speaker 4: and his crew have investigated. They located the barrels pretty
[29:03] Speaker 4: much exactly where march Over at Marshall said they were
[29:06] Speaker 4: going to be. They also located other pieces of evidence
[29:13] Speaker 4: that Mark Trevor Marshall has given any statement out at
[29:18] Speaker 4: Stanley Heart's home. What was which is in Yapna, South Australia.
[29:24] Speaker 2: What was Mark Trevor Marshall's reasons for doing this statement?
[29:28] Speaker 2: Do you know?
[29:29] Speaker 4: I don't think it was out of guilt. I think
[29:33] Speaker 4: maybe it's more of an attention seeking thing. You've got
[29:41] Speaker 4: to understand, he's a very twisted, sick individual from what
[29:48] Speaker 4: I've I've read what I've heard. I've also had contact
[29:55] Speaker 4: from his ex girlfriend and she's told me a number
[29:59] Speaker 4: of things about him. He's he's a very troubled person.
[30:11] Speaker 1: In the next episode, when we opened the barrels a
[30:15] Speaker 1: day stunk and all the remaining liquid had poured out
[30:20] Speaker 1: of them, and then we took the solids and got
[30:23] Speaker 1: them test Well Hart was a known pedophile in Adelaide
[30:27] Speaker 1: and he was put on that property by government. He
[30:31] Speaker 1: was sent out to there to get him away from
[30:33] Speaker 1: Adelaide because he was molesting to him many children. If
[30:37] Speaker 1: you've got a pedophile ring that's catering for the high
[30:43] Speaker 1: high end of society, you probably want to protect that pedophile.
[30:49] Speaker 2: Mark Marshall, you believe you know his real identity.
[30:52] Speaker 1: It's a very strong possibility because he fits the same
[30:55] Speaker 1: age group, he's around the same age, and I believe
[31:01] Speaker 1: that he may possibly be I'm not.
[31:06] Speaker 4: It was such a shock and I just I couldn't,
[31:10] Speaker 4: I couldn't grasp grasp and I thought, you know, someone's
[31:13] Speaker 4: playing some stupid joke. This is ridiculous, and it just
[31:21] Speaker 4: at that point, I just thought, you know, I'm it.
[31:29] Speaker 4: It just it flawed me to think that, you know,
[31:32] Speaker 4: we've we've fought so hard for so long, and everything
[31:38] Speaker 4: that I've been fighting for is it hasn't been worth it.
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