# Was my Dad taken by someone?

An episode of [What Happened To…](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1812362613), 26 Jul 2026, 31 min.

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In this episode Belle talks of her suspicions on what happened to her missing dad. The missing money, the DNA evidence. The CCTV of a car traveling to Lanclien and the mystery surrounding how her Dads car drove 1 hour and 17 minutes away when she believes he was unable to drive. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:05] Speaker 1: Apogee Production.
[0:10] Speaker 2: Jawn jessper Jensen. He was a granddad and a loving
[0:14] Speaker 2: father to his two daughters. His wife had died, and
[0:17] Speaker 2: although he had some medical conditions and had suffered depression
[0:21] Speaker 2: a few days before he disappeared, he was said to
[0:23] Speaker 2: be in good spirits and chirpy. Head back to the
[0:27] Speaker 2: previous three episodes to hear how the story's unfolded. On Tuesday,
[0:34] Speaker 2: the twenty seventh of June twenty seventeen, police make a
[0:38] Speaker 2: public appeal for information around Jawn's disappearance.
[0:42] Speaker 3: Any informations from the great appreciating Yeah, it's a beautiful granddad.
[0:50] Speaker 4: One now, they say it's completely unlike the widower to
[0:54] Speaker 4: go out for so long without making contact.
[0:58] Speaker 2: That night, his empty car is found an hour and
[1:01] Speaker 2: seventeen minutes away in a sleepy fishing town called Anselm.
[1:06] Speaker 2: Police are able to pull CCTV records of the highways
[1:09] Speaker 2: on the trip and spot a car that looks like Jawn's,
[1:14] Speaker 2: but the images are grainy and it's impossible to see
[1:18] Speaker 2: who's driving the car and if there are any passengers.
[1:24] Speaker 2: There is one thing that's crystal clear. It's the car
[1:30] Speaker 2: that's found outside the Lanslam Beach Hotel is Jawns and
[1:35] Speaker 2: he's not in it. Joe Burr is the investigating officer
[1:41] Speaker 2: in charge of the case in wa. Joe was instrumental
[1:45] Speaker 2: in writing the brief for the coroner, and he told
[1:48] Speaker 2: me about the forensics that were done once Jawn's car
[1:51] Speaker 2: had been found.
[1:53] Speaker 5: Yeah, that's correct, so we the steering will and the
[1:57] Speaker 5: headrest of the vehicle were actually forensically analyzed. Obbs were
[2:06] Speaker 5: sent off for analysis and it did come back that
[2:10] Speaker 5: mister Jensen's DNA was located on the steering wheel of
[2:13] Speaker 5: the vehicle. It's not something that we do in every
[2:20] Speaker 5: mis in person case. It comes down to those initial
[2:23] Speaker 5: investigative critical decisions that are made at that point. I
[2:27] Speaker 5: guess they're looking at every possible avenue that this investigation
[2:31] Speaker 5: could go down. So I think it was a good
[2:33] Speaker 5: decision to take those swabs because you know, it wasn't
[2:37] Speaker 5: known at the time how they were going to come back,
[2:39] Speaker 5: but and what other supporting evidence could be located further
[2:43] Speaker 5: down the line that could mean that that DNA swab
[2:46] Speaker 5: was important. But we did get a mixed profile on
[2:50] Speaker 5: the steering wheel, but that's not unusual in itself because Obviously,
[2:55] Speaker 5: with most vehicles, you have a number of people driving
[2:58] Speaker 5: the car and your hands are a good source on
[3:01] Speaker 5: the steering wheel of leaving DNA in that location. There
[3:05] Speaker 5: was DNA located on the steering wheel that we didn't get.
[3:09] Speaker 4: A match on.
[3:09] Speaker 5: But you know, black could come back to anyone. You
[3:12] Speaker 5: could be looking at mechanics, service centers, family members, neighbors,
[3:16] Speaker 5: anybody that's been in that vehicle. So the location of
[3:21] Speaker 5: mixed profile there isn't in itself something that we need
[3:24] Speaker 5: to be suspicious about.
[3:26] Speaker 2: So a mixed profile essentially means someone else's DNA in
[3:30] Speaker 2: the car. Both the two daughters of Jehorn Jensen's DNA
[3:33] Speaker 2: were also taken and they were excluded from the two
[3:38] Speaker 2: other matches in the car. Is that right?
[3:40] Speaker 5: So their DNA wasn't wasn't a match there. Quite often
[3:44] Speaker 5: we take nets of kin DNA not only for that
[3:49] Speaker 5: forensic purpose, but also for the possible future identification of
[3:52] Speaker 5: any any located human remains. So we would usually take
[3:58] Speaker 5: the nets of kin DNA, and that's an action that
[4:01] Speaker 5: should be taken in most long term miss in persons.
[4:05] Speaker 5: Up it was there was no match per se with
[4:09] Speaker 5: the DNA that was located on that steering wheel with
[4:11] Speaker 5: the daughters.
[4:13] Speaker 2: Both daughters had said that they had driven the car before,
[4:18] Speaker 2: but they also said that partners had also driven John's car,
[4:22] Speaker 2: and mister Jensen's neighbors had also driven his car at
[4:27] Speaker 2: some point. So it's feasible that they could be from
[4:30] Speaker 2: a myriad of different people.
[4:32] Speaker 5: Anything that touches anything else, you know, you could even
[4:35] Speaker 5: somebody's DNA could be on that steerweel that hasn't even
[4:38] Speaker 5: driven the car. If someone was to shake hands with
[4:40] Speaker 5: somebody and then step into their car. You know, the
[4:44] Speaker 5: DNA is a wonderful tool, but it's not always on
[4:49] Speaker 5: its own something that can be used to solve a case.
[4:53] Speaker 2: Bell told us that she employed a forensic scientists herself.
[4:58] Speaker 2: He was critical of the fact that the police didn't
[5:00] Speaker 2: retain mister Jensen's car for more thorough forensic examination, which
[5:06] Speaker 2: he said was should have been tested the vehicle driver
[5:09] Speaker 2: side footwell and its boots. Did you have a view
[5:12] Speaker 2: on that at the time.
[5:14] Speaker 5: I actually think, compared to the vast array of other
[5:18] Speaker 5: miss in person cases that I deal with, they actually
[5:21] Speaker 5: went above and beyond what would usually be done at
[5:25] Speaker 5: the initial scene of a missing person vehicle, because what
[5:31] Speaker 5: the forensic officer was I guess looking at at that
[5:34] Speaker 5: time is purely from a position of that there could
[5:39] Speaker 5: be some criminality involved in this. But the initial assessment
[5:44] Speaker 5: of the investigation that continues to this day is that
[5:48] Speaker 5: no evidence of any criminality has been located. So if
[5:53] Speaker 5: you were looking at it as a crime scene, then yes,
[5:55] Speaker 5: if you were looking at it it's solely a miss
[5:57] Speaker 5: in person case, where you have no supporting evidence that
[6:01] Speaker 5: somebody else has driven that vehicle, then I wouldn't necessarily
[6:04] Speaker 5: concur with that opinion because they have had the foresight
[6:09] Speaker 5: to swab the steering wheels, to swab their head wreck.
[6:13] Speaker 5: We can always look back on these things with hindsight,
[6:16] Speaker 5: and obviously certain things have been raised that it would
[6:21] Speaker 5: be it would be prudent now to look back and
[6:25] Speaker 5: be able to swab the football, for example, But the
[6:30] Speaker 5: critical decision at the time was that that was not necessary,
[6:33] Speaker 5: and I haven't seen any corroborating evidence that says that
[6:37] Speaker 5: would show anything different for what we currently have.
[6:40] Speaker 2: Bell also confirmed to me that it is very likely
[6:43] Speaker 2: her DNA would have been in the car and in
[6:46] Speaker 2: the house, and that a sister had stayed over a
[6:50] Speaker 2: dad's many times to keep an eye on him.
[6:53] Speaker 6: Look, there was a mattress. It was set up in
[6:57] Speaker 6: opposite to where that foot spar.
[6:59] Speaker 4: Was sort of set up, but it was, you know,
[7:04] Speaker 4: a bit of a weird spot. But yes, my sister,
[7:06] Speaker 4: I'll be honest, she did say that she would go
[7:09] Speaker 4: over there and keep an eye on him and when
[7:11] Speaker 4: he was going through rough times and stuff like that.
[7:14] Speaker 4: So yeah, she said she was obviously sleeping there. But
[7:19] Speaker 4: strange enough, the DNA sampen wasn't strong enough because both
[7:22] Speaker 4: of us, due to my forensic investigator expert, you know, luckily,
[7:26] Speaker 4: we pushed for them to take our DNA because I said, well,
[7:29] Speaker 4: surely we should be doing that, especially if down the track,
[7:31] Speaker 4: if we do find him, you know, you want to
[7:33] Speaker 4: have that DNA on file, right, So we were trying
[7:36] Speaker 4: to exclude everyone. So yeah, we both had our DNA,
[7:39] Speaker 4: and but yeah, strange enough, they couldn't They couldn't include
[7:44] Speaker 4: or exclude her as being the other DNA that was found.
[7:47] Speaker 2: On that bad Police also state in the Kindness report
[7:49] Speaker 2: there was no evidence of a cleanup in an attempt
[7:53] Speaker 2: to conceal or deceive evidence.
[7:56] Speaker 6: Correct.
[7:58] Speaker 4: Look, there was comments from one particular officer at the
[8:06] Speaker 4: time where he sort of had eluded that he did
[8:09] Speaker 4: part of his initials, you know, said he didn't look
[8:11] Speaker 4: like there was a.
[8:12] Speaker 6: Cleanup or some sort of cleanup.
[8:14] Speaker 4: But at that point I think he was thinking maybe
[8:15] Speaker 4: he's tried to clean it up just to get to
[8:17] Speaker 4: the hospital, I'm assuming, But no, it.
[8:20] Speaker 6: Was very much.
[8:24] Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, the scene was unusual, and I guess
[8:27] Speaker 4: they were sort of a soy. No, No, it didn't
[8:29] Speaker 4: didn't look like a cleanup, but it was odd that
[8:31] Speaker 4: there was no blood at all found from this one
[8:34] Speaker 4: particular area. You know, if he's walked out of the house,
[8:38] Speaker 4: there would have been blood either through the lounge on
[8:40] Speaker 4: the carpet, or through the tiles, or in the football
[8:43] Speaker 4: of the car, especially after driving an hour seventeen. You know,
[8:49] Speaker 4: if he's adrenaline, if he's adrenaline's pumping, wouldn't wouldn't that
[8:52] Speaker 4: be you know, you.
[8:55] Speaker 6: Would think you would find blood elsewhere.
[8:58] Speaker 2: There was no blood in the.
[8:59] Speaker 3: Car, and there was no blood in the car, And
[9:02] Speaker 3: he actually was on blood thinning medication at the so
[9:05] Speaker 3: his ability to be able to stop the bleeding would
[9:07] Speaker 3: have been very limited. So we would expect that to
[9:10] Speaker 3: be blood in the car.
[9:14] Speaker 2: It's important to state that we're not accusing anyone of
[9:18] Speaker 2: any wrongdoing in this podcast. We're simply stating some points
[9:22] Speaker 2: of view that don't necessarily agree with each other. Police
[9:26] Speaker 2: are very clear that there doesn't seem to be any
[9:29] Speaker 2: criminality involved in the case of the missing man John Jensen,
[9:35] Speaker 2: Darren and Bell don't agree on this point.
[9:39] Speaker 4: I think he was murdered. No, I, one hand, on
[9:43] Speaker 4: my heart believe he was murdered.
[9:45] Speaker 2: If something untoward did happen to Jasper, there would have
[9:49] Speaker 2: had to been a motive, something that stood out and
[9:52] Speaker 2: possibly could lead to police investigating a different path, or
[9:57] Speaker 2: more sinister path. I asked Joe Burr about John's bank
[10:01] Speaker 2: records and his financial situation.
[10:05] Speaker 5: The issue when you're looking back at somebody's financial records
[10:09] Speaker 5: is you never you're never prudent to the transactions or
[10:14] Speaker 5: the conversations or the agreements that people have with family,
[10:19] Speaker 5: with people they know, so it's always difficult to look
[10:22] Speaker 5: back and think that certain things do look amiss. There
[10:27] Speaker 5: there was transactions like normal transactions, like anybody's accounts, but
[10:34] Speaker 5: there was there was obviously agreements in place with people
[10:39] Speaker 5: and it's not up to me, you know, I can't
[10:42] Speaker 5: talk about somebody else's financial situation. But there wasn't anything
[10:47] Speaker 5: necessarily that meant to us that there was any link
[10:52] Speaker 5: to his finances to the disappearance of mister Jensen.
[10:56] Speaker 2: What we can see from the kind of support that
[10:58] Speaker 2: he's had a few bank accounts. One was with IG
[11:01] Speaker 2: and was dormant since twenty fourteen. Then he had an
[11:04] Speaker 2: every day account with NAB and the last time that
[11:07] Speaker 2: was touched before his disappearance was the nineteenth of June,
[11:11] Speaker 2: which was six days before his disappearance, and the son
[11:14] Speaker 2: was three hundred dollars. Bell had mentioned in our chat
[11:21] Speaker 2: that a dad was very a creature of habit. He
[11:24] Speaker 2: would have the same dinner every night, he would do
[11:27] Speaker 2: the same things very often. He would sit in the
[11:29] Speaker 2: front room watch tally, and he would often visit the
[11:32] Speaker 2: bank on the same day. And from her perspective, she
[11:36] Speaker 2: said that his visits to the bank over the last
[11:40] Speaker 2: sort of three to four months became a little more
[11:42] Speaker 2: sporadic and random, if you like, with different amounts. Did
[11:46] Speaker 2: police investigate anything prior to his disappearance and the transactions
[11:51] Speaker 2: across his bank accounts.
[11:52] Speaker 5: Yeah, we did look at it. We usually next to
[11:58] Speaker 5: see what the run is. If a missing personal investigation
[12:02] Speaker 5: goes long term, we will try and create some kind
[12:05] Speaker 5: of victimology, some kind of gauge of that person's life
[12:08] Speaker 5: and their usual activities. I can't disagree with Belle obviously.
[12:14] Speaker 5: You know I was never fortunate enough to meet missus Jason,
[12:16] Speaker 5: and I'm sure she knows that that's very well, so
[12:20] Speaker 5: I wouldn't disagree with her assessment of that. But it's
[12:24] Speaker 5: impossible from an investigator's point of view to actually determined
[12:30] Speaker 5: that any change of activity is due to anything untoward.
[12:34] Speaker 5: You know, we certain people are people have habit, like
[12:39] Speaker 5: you say, but our lives change, and certain conversations happen,
[12:45] Speaker 5: and certain routes you go down different routes to what
[12:47] Speaker 5: you might have done before. So you know, there's no
[12:50] Speaker 5: evidence there. There's no evidence that I've seen that suggests
[12:53] Speaker 5: that any kind of visit to ATM anything untoward has
[12:57] Speaker 5: happened that has then led to his disappearance.
[13:02] Speaker 2: Now, Bell, I guess doesn't share the same view. She
[13:06] Speaker 2: has a more sinister view of what has occurred, and
[13:10] Speaker 2: I know she shared that with you numerous times. Is
[13:14] Speaker 2: there any evidence from a police perspective and from the
[13:19] Speaker 2: corner's report that is in line with Bells thinking that
[13:23] Speaker 2: something more sinister happened to her father.
[13:28] Speaker 5: Well, my heart goes out to Bell and Darren and
[13:31] Speaker 5: the rest of the family. Going through this kind of
[13:36] Speaker 5: situation is everybody's worst nightmare, there's no and it's hard
[13:41] Speaker 5: as an investigator of miss person cases because you can't
[13:44] Speaker 5: give people the resolution that they need. And until you
[13:49] Speaker 5: can give them a resolution, until you reached that conclusion,
[13:52] Speaker 5: anything that happens is not necessarily one hundred percent accurate.
[13:59] Speaker 5: And the issue you have as a family member is
[14:02] Speaker 5: you never actually know. So I will I always applaud
[14:07] Speaker 5: Belinda and Darren for keeping up the intensity of the
[14:12] Speaker 5: investigation and for you know, looking out for their father
[14:15] Speaker 5: and wanting to find the truth. But in reality, I
[14:20] Speaker 5: think when I look at all of the information, all
[14:23] Speaker 5: of the evidence that I concur with the currenter that well,
[14:28] Speaker 5: the current is given an open verdict, but that is
[14:31] Speaker 5: to be expected because we don't actually know. We don't
[14:34] Speaker 5: have cast iron evidence of what happened on that day,
[14:38] Speaker 5: but we also don't have any evidence, in my opinion,
[14:42] Speaker 5: to suggest that any any criminal activity has taken place
[14:46] Speaker 5: and any criminal activity has led to missus Jensen's disappearance.
[14:53] Speaker 5: When you're looking at a missing personal investigation, you look
[14:56] Speaker 5: at the criminality aspects, you look at the misadventure aspect,
[15:00] Speaker 5: and you look at the possible self harm aspects. And I, personally,
[15:05] Speaker 5: based on now I've been dinning with this case for
[15:07] Speaker 5: a long time, I can't say that self harmer's taking place.
[15:09] Speaker 5: I don't know that self palmer's taking place, and I
[15:11] Speaker 5: would hate to offend the family in any way by
[15:15] Speaker 5: indicating that somebody that we don't know as investigators have
[15:19] Speaker 5: the intense self harm. We don't know that happens. People
[15:23] Speaker 5: get disorientated, that could have happened. We don't know that
[15:26] Speaker 5: that happened. But obviously the element you know, we we're
[15:31] Speaker 5: missing Persentine. We're part of the homicide squad because I
[15:35] Speaker 5: have to be in a location where if we determine
[15:39] Speaker 5: any criminality, we work with homicide squad detectives to reach
[15:44] Speaker 5: the resolution and to find somebody responsible for the criminality.
[15:49] Speaker 5: And the reality is as hard as we have looked
[15:53] Speaker 5: and we have investigated this, there's no evidence I believe
[15:57] Speaker 5: that there has been any of that criminal activity has
[16:00] Speaker 5: taken part in this disappearance.
[16:12] Speaker 2: As I've mentioned throughout this podcast, Belle and her big
[16:15] Speaker 2: sister don't talk anymore. In fact, I don't think it's
[16:19] Speaker 2: overstating the point to say they dislike each other. It's
[16:24] Speaker 2: sad because as I look back through photos of these
[16:27] Speaker 2: two little blonde girls playing with their big mountain of
[16:30] Speaker 2: a dad sitting on his shoulders at a family holiday
[16:34] Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty seven in Melbourne, it's not hard to
[16:37] Speaker 2: imagine how close they once were. We've refrained from mentioning
[16:42] Speaker 2: her name in this podcast, which will continue to honor
[16:46] Speaker 2: as Belle mentioned, this is her story. We do have
[16:53] Speaker 2: a copy of Belle's sister's police statement that was made
[16:56] Speaker 2: on the thirtieth of June twenty seventeen. It states lots
[17:01] Speaker 2: of facts, the fact that her dad owned his house
[17:06] Speaker 2: on Rainbow View in Ocean Reef outright, that he was
[17:10] Speaker 2: financially supported by his super that her relationship with her
[17:14] Speaker 2: dad was close and they would see him almost every
[17:17] Speaker 2: second day and they would speak every day. John's eldest
[17:22] Speaker 2: daughter also mentioned that she would stay at a dad's
[17:25] Speaker 2: house when he was feeling low, and that she would
[17:27] Speaker 2: sleep in a bed made up in the lamb's room.
[17:31] Speaker 2: Sometimes at those sleepovers she would take his keys and
[17:34] Speaker 2: his medication and put them next to her overnight. She
[17:38] Speaker 2: says as a precaution in her words to police, I.
[17:44] Speaker 1: Don't believe he would have ever done anything to hurt himself.
[17:47] Speaker 1: He just needed my company.
[17:49] Speaker 2: In point thirteen of her statement, which was made in
[17:51] Speaker 2: Lancelain while the searches took place, she mentions that she'd
[17:55] Speaker 2: taken a dad to her family doctor and he was
[17:58] Speaker 2: reducing the dose of neuronton, the drug that might have
[18:01] Speaker 2: added to his depression. We've used an actress to read
[18:05] Speaker 2: parts of her statement.
[18:07] Speaker 1: He stopped taking it all together at least three weeks ago.
[18:10] Speaker 1: Since Dad stopped taking that medication, he had not spoken
[18:13] Speaker 1: again of suicide.
[18:15] Speaker 2: This was not the only statement that Belle's sister made.
[18:18] Speaker 2: On the fourteenth of December twenty seventeen, she made another
[18:22] Speaker 2: statement to police. It covers some of the same detail,
[18:26] Speaker 2: However it's much longer and it was made to a
[18:30] Speaker 2: detective in Perth. She talked of her dad's immense pain
[18:35] Speaker 2: in that statement.
[18:36] Speaker 1: I remember when Dad's feet got so painful. At times,
[18:39] Speaker 1: he would bash his broken wrist to try and take
[18:42] Speaker 1: away the pain. He told me he would hit it
[18:44] Speaker 1: because he wanted to take the pain away from his feet.
[18:47] Speaker 1: Dad became very emotional in the last year and would
[18:50] Speaker 1: talk about Mam a lot. He would cry at different
[18:52] Speaker 1: times and would tell me he missed her. He would
[18:55] Speaker 1: also just cry about his situation and that he couldn't
[18:57] Speaker 1: do anything because of his feet.
[18:59] Speaker 2: She also mentions to police that at the time of
[19:03] Speaker 2: his disappearance he was on around fifteen different types of medication,
[19:08] Speaker 2: and she details some of his suicidal thoughts.
[19:12] Speaker 1: In the last at least twelve months. Once a week
[19:14] Speaker 1: Dad would mention what I believe were suicidal thoughts. He
[19:18] Speaker 1: would say things like why am I here, I've got
[19:20] Speaker 1: no life? What's the point? That would be on his
[19:23] Speaker 1: low days, but I could perkin cheer him back up.
[19:26] Speaker 1: He would also say things in a joking manner to me.
[19:28] Speaker 1: On numerous occasions, he would say, Geez, the pain was
[19:31] Speaker 1: so bad last night that Camery looked good. I could
[19:34] Speaker 1: have got the hose out. He would also text me
[19:38] Speaker 1: and write me messages in private message at night on
[19:40] Speaker 1: that game Words with friends. He would write things at
[19:43] Speaker 1: sometimes four in the morning, like I can't take this anymore.
[19:47] Speaker 1: I can't take the pain. The pills aren't working, and
[19:54] Speaker 1: my feet are on fire. He would also sometimes call
[20:00] Speaker 1: me on my mobile and would be crying, not being
[20:02] Speaker 1: able to talk. I would go straight up and stay
[20:05] Speaker 1: with him on those nights and try and make him
[20:07] Speaker 1: feel better. When I would stay with him, I would
[20:10] Speaker 1: hide the keys to his car and medication in bed
[20:13] Speaker 1: with me so that he didn't do anything silly. Up
[20:17] Speaker 1: until Dad went missing, I was at his home almost
[20:19] Speaker 1: every night, wast every night, every night, every night.
[20:23] Speaker 2: Jawn's finances have been a matter of discussion for the sisters.
[20:28] Speaker 2: Nothing suspicious has been noted by police. In her statement,
[20:32] Speaker 2: Belle's sister says that on the day she went to
[20:35] Speaker 2: her dad's house after he was reported missing, she walked
[20:39] Speaker 2: through the house. I was in complete shock.
[20:42] Speaker 1: There was blood in Dad's footbath and blood all over
[20:45] Speaker 1: the floor on the tiles. I was in complete shock.
[20:48] Speaker 1: I was made aware that the police had been contacted
[20:50] Speaker 1: the previous night. At some stage, I noticed that Dad's
[20:54] Speaker 1: medicines were all accounted for because they were on the bench.
[20:57] Speaker 1: I went into his bedroom and noticed his wallet and
[20:59] Speaker 1: hearing aids were on a set of drawers. His iPad
[21:02] Speaker 1: was there in the lounge room near his seat. Dad
[21:06] Speaker 1: had a Christmas cardboard box underneath a side table in
[21:09] Speaker 1: the front laund room which contained Dad's cash money. Inside
[21:13] Speaker 1: the box was four thousand dollars in cash fifty dollar notes,
[21:17] Speaker 1: which I grabbed whilst Belinda and were present. I took
[21:20] Speaker 1: the cash money home and paid bills with that money.
[21:25] Speaker 1: I have all the receipts for the money I spent
[21:27] Speaker 1: on bills.
[21:33] Speaker 2: Belle's recollections of a dad's bank accounts, of his financial position,
[21:38] Speaker 2: and her knowledge of her father and how he used
[21:40] Speaker 2: money is important. As the police explained, it's impossible to
[21:46] Speaker 2: know how a families spend their money before something like
[21:49] Speaker 2: this happens. Financial affairs are normally very private. Bell is
[21:55] Speaker 2: careful about accusing anyone of anything criminal. When I asked
[22:00] Speaker 2: her about her dad's bank accounts, that's.
[22:05] Speaker 6: A tricker one. That's a tricker one. I gotta be
[22:07] Speaker 6: careful what I will say. And I think it's important
[22:11] Speaker 6: to say this and I have it right because this
[22:13] Speaker 6: is my dad. This is my story.
[22:15] Speaker 4: This is what happened the friday before my dad went missing.
[22:20] Speaker 6: I popped in on my way home.
[22:21] Speaker 2: From work.
[22:23] Speaker 4: He was holding an AHM slip in his hand and
[22:29] Speaker 4: he said, Bendy, this person is a stole of my money,
[22:35] Speaker 4: and this particular ATMs. I didn't see how much was
[22:38] Speaker 4: in his bank account at the time, and I didn't
[22:40] Speaker 4: realize it's a verity of it. I knew we had
[22:41] Speaker 4: some financial issues sort of leading up to that period,
[22:46] Speaker 4: and I didn't realize this verity of the problem at
[22:49] Speaker 4: that time, but I also thought I'd have time to
[22:52] Speaker 4: sort it out, so so yeah, some at the time,
[22:57] Speaker 4: he only had sort of I think it was twelve
[22:59] Speaker 4: hundred and forty six dollars left in his bank account,
[23:02] Speaker 4: and I would have thought he would have had thousands,
[23:05] Speaker 4: like hundreds of thousands, like he used to have a
[23:07] Speaker 4: savings account.
[23:08] Speaker 6: We should have had hundreds.
[23:08] Speaker 4: Of thousands in it, and for him I didn't have
[23:11] Speaker 4: just over one thousand dollars. Did not make sense.
[23:13] Speaker 3: Both of his bank accounts were bled of them.
[23:16] Speaker 6: It was nothing.
[23:17] Speaker 4: But again I was told because nothing came, nothing was
[23:19] Speaker 4: taken out after the fact, that that doesn't matter.
[23:23] Speaker 2: When you say bled dry transferred to someone, given to someone.
[23:28] Speaker 3: Well, he had sorry, he had a savings account through
[23:31] Speaker 3: Y and G which had over. I once said, had
[23:34] Speaker 3: one hundred thousand dollars, but that's what he used to
[23:36] Speaker 3: pay for his holidays or whatever out of But there
[23:39] Speaker 3: was a seventy seventy four thousand dollars transfer for a
[23:43] Speaker 3: holiday apparently that he never went on. So we can't
[23:46] Speaker 3: explain that. It just says seventy four thousand dollars transfer holiday,
[23:53] Speaker 3: dash resleep. But Bell booked all these holidays and that
[23:56] Speaker 3: he didn't go on holidays, not a holiday for seventy
[23:59] Speaker 3: four thousand dollars.
[24:00] Speaker 2: Where was that transfer made too?
[24:02] Speaker 3: It was made to another one of his accounts, and
[24:04] Speaker 3: then from that account a check was written out in
[24:07] Speaker 3: someone's name.
[24:09] Speaker 2: Was your dad wealthy?
[24:11] Speaker 4: Look, he wasn't wealthy, he was he you know, he.
[24:18] Speaker 6: He had plenty of money.
[24:19] Speaker 4: He even said to me at one point, you know,
[24:21] Speaker 4: because he's very old school, you know, it was always
[24:24] Speaker 4: pay off your mortgage first. Don't use the ATM all
[24:26] Speaker 4: the time, you know, back in the day when he
[24:28] Speaker 4: used to get you know, fees from using ATMs.
[24:30] Speaker 6: He's always had plentying.
[24:31] Speaker 4: You always had least three hundred cash in his wallet,
[24:33] Speaker 4: you know, always he actually kept money at his at
[24:37] Speaker 4: his property for a rainy day and at one point
[24:40] Speaker 4: he goes helps you up.
[24:41] Speaker 7: To like eighty thousand dollars. He had eighty thousand dollars
[24:43] Speaker 7: kept in his at home and you know he had money.
[24:49] Speaker 7: He had he could go on all the holidays. I
[24:50] Speaker 7: mean he worked hard as the labor to you know,
[24:52] Speaker 7: he had had a mortgage since the eighties because we
[24:54] Speaker 7: built it. He built his own house with his own
[24:56] Speaker 7: you know, in Woodvales, so he wasn't in debt.
[25:01] Speaker 6: He pretty much just had, you know.
[25:02] Speaker 4: When we were on although it was a bit of
[25:04] Speaker 4: a tight ask growing up, I looked, admit, but you know,
[25:07] Speaker 4: if you were on holidays and all that, that's when
[25:09] Speaker 4: you knew that.
[25:10] Speaker 6: You know, he saw me sitting there in South Africa.
[25:12] Speaker 4: I was like, I want that egg that, you know,
[25:14] Speaker 4: one of those email things that I really wanted money
[25:17] Speaker 4: and he ended up just buying it for me. You know,
[25:18] Speaker 4: He's like, don't be silly, you know, and you know,
[25:21] Speaker 4: things like that. So he didn't spend money previously. He
[25:25] Speaker 4: was very cautious with his money and so he had
[25:28] Speaker 4: he should have had a lot more money than what
[25:31] Speaker 4: he did have when he went Missy.
[25:34] Speaker 2: Did police investigate the transfers of money.
[25:39] Speaker 4: Look again, I I reported it first to the first
[25:43] Speaker 4: officer because obviously, after eight months it was the case
[25:46] Speaker 4: was handled over to SUTN Joseph. But prior to that,
[25:51] Speaker 4: the investigator I rang him as soon as basically when
[25:55] Speaker 4: I got a strange from my sister. There was alarm
[25:57] Speaker 4: bells and we had an incident, and I was like,
[25:59] Speaker 4: oh my god, I got to get a bank statement,
[26:02] Speaker 4: and I just went around to Dad's every day, and
[26:04] Speaker 4: thank god, I finally got one of his edit his
[26:06] Speaker 4: final anab statement, And that's when it hit me what
[26:10] Speaker 4: that Friday conversation was all about, because there was a
[26:13] Speaker 4: lot of Although you look at it and maybe from
[26:15] Speaker 4: the police perspective, no, maybe it doesn't look that bad.
[26:17] Speaker 4: But when you see a fifty dollars ATM transaction when
[26:20] Speaker 4: this man's not driving, so he's driven, you know, gone
[26:23] Speaker 4: with Whiford's, and this man's got thousands of dollars at
[26:25] Speaker 4: his house already and he's not going out or doing anything,
[26:28] Speaker 4: and you've got transactions for three hundred and then going
[26:31] Speaker 4: back an hour later and going get another three hundred.
[26:33] Speaker 6: Out what the you know?
[26:36] Speaker 4: He he was He was a creature habit. He did
[26:39] Speaker 4: get at a certain amount at a certain time, and
[26:43] Speaker 4: you could see these patterns change. I've put every transaction
[26:45] Speaker 4: into a spreadsheet, extrapolated every bloody report you possibly can,
[26:48] Speaker 4: and you can.
[26:49] Speaker 6: See a change.
[26:50] Speaker 4: You see when he was going, it'd go at a
[26:52] Speaker 4: certain time, almost to the like two o'clock on a Friday,
[26:56] Speaker 4: for example, do you know what I mean.
[26:57] Speaker 6: Then it turned into in the last six.
[26:58] Speaker 4: Months, there was no consistency and there were a lot
[27:01] Speaker 4: of transactions, and even in that last since the fall,
[27:04] Speaker 4: I think had been taken out and I'm like, why
[27:08] Speaker 4: he had money next to him and at that point
[27:10] Speaker 4: he wasn't going anywhere, He wasn't playing golf, he wasn't
[27:14] Speaker 4: what was he spending the money on.
[27:15] Speaker 2: Did you hand this over to police?
[27:18] Speaker 5: Oh?
[27:18] Speaker 4: Yeah, I read police as soon as I had his,
[27:21] Speaker 4: and they came out. They came out to my house,
[27:23] Speaker 4: but I was pretty much told that no money's gone
[27:26] Speaker 4: out after the fact, you know. So he's basically if
[27:30] Speaker 4: he whatever he wanted to do with his money is
[27:32] Speaker 4: his choice and it was his decision. I guess it
[27:34] Speaker 4: was looked upon that I was had animosity or that
[27:37] Speaker 4: I was worried that you know someone else was getting
[27:39] Speaker 4: money and I wasn't, but I wasn't the case.
[27:41] Speaker 3: I'm fortunately sorry to interopic, but unfortunately when you mentioned money,
[27:45] Speaker 3: it starts to sound like a civil matter. It sounds like, yeah, money,
[27:48] Speaker 3: but I'm forced in this situation. We're trying to find
[27:51] Speaker 3: out what's happened to a man, and this man's money
[27:53] Speaker 3: had gone missing. They said two things. They said, no
[27:56] Speaker 3: money has gone since, and that it doesn't mean that
[28:01] Speaker 3: this person that we're talking about has done it. And
[28:05] Speaker 3: pretty much the only thing we can see as far
[28:07] Speaker 3: as the investigation that money goes as one email, which
[28:11] Speaker 3: was sent to someone we can't say, and that was
[28:15] Speaker 3: basically saying that there seems to be a lot of
[28:19] Speaker 3: spending going on, a lot of a lot of money
[28:24] Speaker 3: going out of accounts. Basically, did your dad sorry, did
[28:30] Speaker 3: he owe any money? Did just borrow any money? So
[28:33] Speaker 3: that but that's all we seem to know as far
[28:35] Speaker 3: as the investigation went. They didn't want to know about
[28:38] Speaker 3: the money we just got. Told us the civil matter
[28:40] Speaker 3: doesn't mean anything.
[28:41] Speaker 2: Did your dad have any gambling issues anything?
[28:45] Speaker 4: God no, If he enjoyed going to the casino, but
[28:49] Speaker 4: he was one of these blokes that would just down
[28:51] Speaker 4: there and watch it. You know, he enjoyed just and
[28:54] Speaker 4: you know, but he went too hard for his money.
[28:56] Speaker 4: You know, he wasn't no and he did not owe
[29:00] Speaker 4: any money. He didn't have a mortgage.
[29:04] Speaker 2: Yeah, straight out to know in the next episode, and
[29:09] Speaker 2: did the psyche to study anything?
[29:10] Speaker 6: He did. Look, I didn't sort of get a reading.
[29:13] Speaker 4: It was sort of one of those, you know, fairly
[29:14] Speaker 4: intimate little settings where you know.
[29:16] Speaker 6: He'll go around reading people. And I kept putting my.
[29:18] Speaker 4: Hand up right at the very end, and then he
[29:20] Speaker 4: put me and obviously, you know, sort of started to
[29:22] Speaker 4: sort of connect down whatever. And then you could see
[29:24] Speaker 4: him instantly, Yeah, look quite ill, and just went what
[29:29] Speaker 4: what's happened? What? And then he goes, was your dad murdered?
[29:32] Speaker 4: And I said, well, it's still under investcabe. You know,
[29:35] Speaker 4: we haven't found his body. And he goes, I can't
[29:37] Speaker 4: talk to you about this in front of everyone else.
[29:39] Speaker 4: You know, I'll talk to you after the seminar.
[29:41] Speaker 8: He's also showing you people taking people have got in.
[29:44] Speaker 8: What there was males that have got into the people
[29:48] Speaker 8: getting or taking or have dune get in. It's like
[29:53] Speaker 8: there's a group of males that have got He's gone,
[29:58] Speaker 8: he's deceased, but the way that he passed or the
[30:01] Speaker 8: way it's like somebody has taken him or got him.
[30:04] Speaker 8: That's what I mean when with a life.
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