# To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll

A podcast by Rubrik | Nicole Perlroth. American companies are being infiltrated—not by hackers breaking in, but by workers. Thousands of North Korean operatives are applying to jobs across the U.S.—and getting them. They are embedding themselves at Fortune 500 companies. Government agencies. Critical infrastructure. Even the firms tasked with stopping this threat. To Catch a Thief: North Korea On Our Payroll is a first-of-its-kind audio documentary exposing this global labor pipeline—one that is quietly funneling hundreds of millions of dollars a year back to the regime, and its nuclear weapons program. Host Nicole Perlroth, bestselling author and former lead cybersecurity and digital espionage reporter for The New York Times, takes listeners inside this hidden network—from a rare, inside look at a North Korean IT worker on the job, to interviews with defectors who escaped it, to knocking on the doors of Americans hosting “laptop farms” on North Korea's behalf. Along the way, the series reveals how this playbook is creating a hiring freeze for American workers, in a challenging job market. And how it has metastasized—adopted by cybercriminal groups and fraud networks around the world—blurring the line between…

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## Latest episodes

- [Ep. 6: The North Korea Model](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/e25b8be6f915) (2026-07-14, 59 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455130/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158454-44100-2-b205ef2b53422398.mp3
- [Ep. 5: The Heists](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/7589e47952ca) (2026-07-07, 61 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455141/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158471-44100-2-b79cb1f5eb19764d.mp3
- [Ep. 4: The Sony Playbook](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/138e63cb7dff) (2026-06-30, 46 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455126/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158453-44100-2-a9867e5fc0def3f9.mp3
- [Ep. 3: The Americans](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/34bb9a19e0bf) (2026-06-23, 54 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455127/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158456-44100-2-222b36f31fd5654c.mp3
- [Ep. 2: The Cell](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/127251823ca4) (2026-06-16, 57 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455129/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158459-44100-2-2c670d1482f94b9c.mp3
- [Ep. 1: Strange Things Are Happening](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/840195f53a26) (2026-06-09, 55 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455128/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158451-44100-2-3a3b4420d2f1487a.mp3
- [Season 2 Trailer: An “inside-out” look at North Korea’s covert IT workforce](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/bf8a9a2531d5) (2026-06-04, 6 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455138/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158505-44100-2-51fb19a716f29.mp3
- [OUT OF BAND | The Breaking Point: Inside Mythos' Zero-Day Machine with Anthropic's Nicholas Carlini](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/e22c23e596c0) (2026-05-04, 77 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455143/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158465-48000-2-bd30fc78a192d1bb.mp3
- [Ep 9: The New Frontline](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/88952eade218) (2025-05-29, 102 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455152/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158463-44100-2-a15877d4d1eda506.mp3
- [Ep 8: Living Off The Land](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/7d572dd87193) (2025-05-05, 35 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455133/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158470-44100-2-481d1b377a9547c3.mp3
- [Ep 7: Everything Everywhere All At Once](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/1cdb72a05c02) (2025-04-28, 46 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455139/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158455-44100-2-3af2ece68630f8a5.mp3
- [Ep 6: The Gunslingers](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/2f820b3a1d2d) (2025-04-14, 33 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455131/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158464-44100-2-f7a9ed06a52f450d.mp3
- [Ep 5: A Cyber Detente](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/c5591deb112f) (2025-04-07, 46 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455144/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158472-44100-2-a2413a02e3be9dc3.mp3
- [Ep 4: Naming and Shaming](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/f7665d88a4f7) (2025-03-31, 41 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455136/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158462-44100-2-4d78faef0b3948d0.mp3
- [BONUS: Live Panel with Top China & Cyber Experts at The New York Stock Exchange](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/572fbc1fa97d) (2025-03-27, 69 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455212/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158646-44100-2-e51f2c6cf2608.mp3
- [Ep 3: The Most Dangerous Time in American History](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/d3b190043a93) (2025-03-24, 42 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455137/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158460-44100-2-6b35a8f435a448a5.mp3
- [Ep 2: Then They Came for Us](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/0f2ac1e15384) (2025-03-17, 35 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455132/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158458-44100-2-e7bd58897b7aa198.mp3
- [Ep 1: The Five Poisons](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/8c65bdcd7922) (2025-03-17, 40 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455134/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158457-44100-2-95175a0c86096cda.mp3
- [Coming Soon - To Catch a Thief: China’s Rise to Cyber Supremacy](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1798267956/44ee43ec307d) (2025-03-04, 3 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1163f4320/podcast/play/124455125/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-19%2F430158492-44100-2-2b4f6a7b11929.mp3

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