# Exposing the dark side of ESG | Desiree Fixler | EP07

An episode of [The Ayaan Hirsi Ali Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1775456863), 22 Jan 2025, 47 min.

Audio: https://sphinx.acast.com/p/open/s/6717cf00c054f539072ac1c9/e/67910c3c22302f87e197f204/media.mp3

Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Desiree Fixler, the famous ESG whistle-blower, discuss the ways in which this slippery term has been used to undermine free-market Capitalism. During her time as the Chief Sustainability Officer at DWS, a key subsidiary of Deutsche Bank, Desiree uncovered that ESG was being used to deliberately mislead customers into purchasing products with unwarranted premiums. With Ayaan, they discuss the nefarious nature of this ideology, and how the corporate embrace of it has given rise to the implementation of devastating ‘Net Zero’ policies across the West. Desiree Fixler: X: @desireefixler Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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