# MARY ZHENG MAKES THE MERGE!!

An episode of [Making The Merge - Survivor Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1770945758), 21 Oct 2025, 1 h 12 min.

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In a historic episode of The Sanctuary... Where good pods happen, We are joined by Mother Mary herself to talk about everything fom her iconic tweets to her legendary tribal councils. And then we do some reality TV therapy sessions and try (for the most part) to help the castaways or even the host. Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/cw/Survivorpodcast

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Song or anything.
[0:01] Speaker 2: I have nothing for you.
[0:02] Speaker 1: Hold on, I can pull it up. I can pull
[0:05] Speaker 1: it up.
[0:05] Speaker 3: Just play it through the microphone. Why not since Amazon's trying.
[0:09] Speaker 1: To sing it Mary, that would be that'd be a
[0:15] Speaker 1: power play. I feel like we're not gonna make you
[0:18] Speaker 1: do that.
[0:18] Speaker 4: Okay, okay, I'll sit along with it.
[0:22] Speaker 3: I can sing along with it, or Jonathan can beat
[0:25] Speaker 3: box and Mary the vocals.
[0:28] Speaker 1: I'm sure the latency on the microphones won't cause a problem.
[0:33] Speaker 4: I was actually in a beatboxing a cappella group in
[0:35] Speaker 4: college where everybody sing and I was singing.
[0:38] Speaker 1: That's it. Yeah, that's pretty cool.
[0:40] Speaker 4: We called ourselves the business.
[0:42] Speaker 1: That's also kind of a great.
[0:44] Speaker 4: Business seeing it on business, Baby are rolling right now?
[0:51] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're rolling.
[0:51] Speaker 3: Okay, we're going to keep the standing on business.
[0:54] Speaker 4: Oh man, okay, all right, all right, it is what
[0:56] Speaker 4: it is. It's been said.
[0:58] Speaker 1: All right, here we go, extended version.
[1:09] Speaker 4: I don't know if anyone thought this was me, but
[1:11] Speaker 4: that on the part that's that's a sample I forgot.
[1:27] Speaker 4: I know the chorus very I can say. Is it
[1:44] Speaker 4: gonna keep going? We're just vibing.
[1:50] Speaker 1: We were just vibing, like from thee the only Baby.
[1:56] Speaker 4: Teeth, baby tea.
[1:57] Speaker 3: That's right, We've got a special one today, guys. We've
[2:00] Speaker 3: got somebody who I went into the forty eight pregame
[2:04] Speaker 3: show on a mission to make sure that everybody fell
[2:06] Speaker 3: in love with her, and it did not take much convincing.
[2:10] Speaker 3: She lent us her voice for the Sanctuary, and she
[2:12] Speaker 3: just lent us her actual voice for it this time.
[2:15] Speaker 3: And she had the most legendary shot in the dark
[2:17] Speaker 3: play of all time. And I can't thank her enough
[2:21] Speaker 3: for how much she has supported this show. Guys, Mary
[2:24] Speaker 3: Young is making the merge today.
[2:27] Speaker 4: Hello, I'm making the fucking merge baby, shot in the
[2:31] Speaker 4: dark house. You get here.
[2:32] Speaker 1: Let me let me just say real quick, I want
[2:35] Speaker 1: to open up the show. Mary. I'm gonna give you
[2:37] Speaker 1: an opportunity to publicly.
[2:38] Speaker 5: Apologize to me over Wow. I'll call it the brew
[2:43] Speaker 5: haha that happened on your season between us Wow.
[2:47] Speaker 4: What what brew haha happened? I complimented you and your
[2:50] Speaker 4: feather boa and I said I liked your truck and
[2:52] Speaker 4: people thought I was maga because of it. I went
[2:54] Speaker 4: down for you.
[2:56] Speaker 5: Yeah, so sorry by that, So sorry, but no, because
[3:00] Speaker 5: you you sent in a voice memo saying that you
[3:02] Speaker 5: wish would have drafted.
[3:06] Speaker 4: I was that that I was held for ransom. I
[3:10] Speaker 4: was told to do that. Yeah, I told to do that.
[3:15] Speaker 3: I think this is Mary's reframing of what happened because
[3:18] Speaker 3: she feels a little bit bad about what she said
[3:20] Speaker 3: to you, because this is what I remember.
[3:21] Speaker 4: I don't even remember what I said.
[3:23] Speaker 3: I don't really either, But this, if we go a
[3:26] Speaker 3: little bit deeper, the reason that Mary called in and
[3:30] Speaker 3: she made Chase really upset is because during that pregame
[3:33] Speaker 3: show I referenced I brought up tam and Square something
[3:36] Speaker 3: that Mary's parents.
[3:37] Speaker 1: Are mental in coming, and Chase did not know what
[3:43] Speaker 1: that was.
[3:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, which I.
[3:46] Speaker 1: Don't know why that's on me. It should be on
[3:48] Speaker 1: the public education system.
[3:50] Speaker 4: Is well, I was. I was going to say, that's true. Yeah,
[3:52] Speaker 4: you know, Americans, we suck at geography and knowing historical
[3:55] Speaker 4: events that changed people's lives in the entire world.
[3:59] Speaker 1: But I will say that there are four people in
[4:03] Speaker 1: this chat that already knew what it was. Yeah, and
[4:06] Speaker 1: five five ye, yes, right, right of course, the fifth one, Yeah,
[4:10] Speaker 1: there's five yeah, Well no, no, I don't know about that.
[4:13] Speaker 4: But you know, brand looks like he's falling asleep.
[4:16] Speaker 1: Yes, Brand, Sorry.
[4:18] Speaker 4: It's kind of like the Purple Podcast, where like they're
[4:20] Speaker 4: always like, Wendell, are you awake? Wake up?
[4:22] Speaker 1: Wendo some reason for being half asleep? How long is
[4:26] Speaker 1: it going to take you to recover from the marathon
[4:29] Speaker 1: you just did?
[4:30] Speaker 2: I'm fine. I'm fine, Jonathan.
[4:31] Speaker 4: No.
[4:31] Speaker 2: I was just still thinking about.
[4:33] Speaker 6: The song that we were listening to and wishing that
[4:36] Speaker 6: we were still listening to that because it's a banger.
[4:40] Speaker 4: Thank you, Thank you.
[4:42] Speaker 1: Brand might have been the first one of us to
[4:45] Speaker 1: listen to that song and be like, guys, there's a
[4:48] Speaker 1: great you gotta listen to this. Were you the first
[4:51] Speaker 1: one to bring that up? Brand?
[4:52] Speaker 6: I don't know if I was the first, but I
[4:53] Speaker 6: was definitely the loudest about it.
[4:57] Speaker 4: Hey, hey, loud and in charge. I love it. Thanks
[5:00] Speaker 4: thanks for being a merry stand unlike Chase, who doesn't
[5:02] Speaker 4: know my history.
[5:03] Speaker 1: Yeah, people whoa sorry?
[5:08] Speaker 4: I remember. I remember why I felt the way that
[5:11] Speaker 4: I did.
[5:12] Speaker 1: This is I gave you the opportunity to apologize. You're
[5:14] Speaker 1: doubling down. I doesn't take it.
[5:16] Speaker 4: I didn't take it.
[5:18] Speaker 1: Don't take it. So a little bit more background.
[5:21] Speaker 4: But I still accept you oh.
[5:24] Speaker 3: So I had sent Mary a message and I was like, hey, so,
[5:27] Speaker 3: I don't know if you know about this, but we
[5:28] Speaker 3: did the pregame show and Chase didn't know what this was.
[5:31] Speaker 3: Could you roast him? And she was like, oh, I remember, so,
[5:34] Speaker 3: like when I originally pitched it to her, She's like, yeah,
[5:36] Speaker 3: trust me, I heard that and I'm gonna let him have.
[5:39] Speaker 1: It, which, mind you, Bed was very giddy about because
[5:43] Speaker 1: anytime that he gets to pull one over on any
[5:45] Speaker 1: of us, I think he gets like this weird thrill
[5:47] Speaker 1: out of it. So Pte's just texting me off to
[5:50] Speaker 1: the side, being like, oh, you won't believe what's about
[5:53] Speaker 1: to happen to Chase, just like a villain. So I mean,
[5:56] Speaker 1: I also enjoy watching Chase go down U publicly personally, Man,
[6:01] Speaker 1: I go down with the best of them. That's what
[6:03] Speaker 1: everybody's saying. That's what everybody says on this shot, most
[6:05] Speaker 1: of them, you know.
[6:08] Speaker 4: Regardless, we're giving you a taste of what it's like
[6:12] Speaker 4: to be a survivor player, you know, right right, People
[6:16] Speaker 4: love you one day, they hate you the next. You're
[6:18] Speaker 4: reading about yourself on Reddit the next day.
[6:20] Speaker 3: It worked, yeah, or in your case, they love you
[6:23] Speaker 3: for six weeks and then they hate you for the
[6:24] Speaker 3: final six weeks.
[6:25] Speaker 4: Sir. That was so wild. That was so wild. Yeah, yeah, I.
[6:30] Speaker 1: Learned they know.
[6:32] Speaker 4: They kind of came back. I had some Twitter beefs
[6:34] Speaker 4: where I like stood up for some people against this
[6:38] Speaker 4: one dude, gamervev or something who was like being kind
[6:41] Speaker 4: of like kind of like like just like I have
[6:44] Speaker 4: such a bad memory. But he was like saying something
[6:46] Speaker 4: that was like, oh, it was about Kyle. It was
[6:49] Speaker 4: like saying, how like Kyle was incarcerated and he was
[6:53] Speaker 4: like I don't even know why Kyle was incarcerated. I
[6:55] Speaker 4: was like, you, you don't understand like the effect that
[6:58] Speaker 4: like being a black man in this country has on people.
[7:02] Speaker 4: And everybody on Twitter was like that's right, that's Mary
[7:05] Speaker 4: and I was like yeah, I'm a fucking social worker.
[7:07] Speaker 4: And then they liked me for like a week and
[7:08] Speaker 4: then it kind of went downhill again.
[7:10] Speaker 1: But that way, you know, we didn't we didn't ride
[7:14] Speaker 1: that wave though. The entire time. We were like no, no, no.
[7:18] Speaker 4: And that's why I'm here, That's why I'm here.
[7:21] Speaker 3: I was a Mary Stan ever since I saw that tweet,
[7:24] Speaker 3: when I was the person who was supposed to do
[7:26] Speaker 3: the research on you.
[7:27] Speaker 4: Oh my god, do you guys know about the backstory
[7:30] Speaker 4: about how that tweet got deleted?
[7:32] Speaker 2: No?
[7:33] Speaker 4: I felt no, no, no. I I accidentally deleted it
[7:37] Speaker 4: because I feel like say had said something about me
[7:40] Speaker 4: on Twitter. I was at Martin Gras. I was like drunk.
[7:43] Speaker 4: It was we were all at Marty Gras, like for
[7:46] Speaker 4: the viewing party, like we like cause Stephanie was first
[7:49] Speaker 4: vote out right and she's like has a lot of
[7:51] Speaker 4: ties to New Orleans, and so we had done our
[7:55] Speaker 4: premiere all there. We were out drunk. We were like
[7:58] Speaker 4: had these little mouse hats on because we were like
[8:00] Speaker 4: part of the Great ratsby the Float and just like
[8:04] Speaker 4: super drunk. But I read something on Twitter, and I
[8:06] Speaker 4: was like trying to go on Twitter to like write
[8:08] Speaker 4: something back, subtweeting, and then I was trying to like
[8:13] Speaker 4: pin that tweet and I accidentally deleted that the most
[8:16] Speaker 4: infamous tweet ever. And I think it's a sign don't
[8:18] Speaker 4: seek retribution, Like I learned my lesson. Yeah, but I
[8:23] Speaker 4: thank you guys for keeping the tweet alive in your memories.
[8:27] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[8:27] Speaker 2: Absolutely, And how did your merch come to be?
[8:30] Speaker 6: I love your mug I love faces upon faces of
[8:35] Speaker 6: Mary on mug, So tell me how your merch came
[8:38] Speaker 6: to be?
[8:39] Speaker 4: Thank you. I I don't know. I just really had
[8:42] Speaker 4: a vision. I always I love yeah, yeah, yeah. I
[8:48] Speaker 4: I was just out there editing and I was like,
[8:50] Speaker 4: oh yeah, one face and I was like, but what
[8:52] Speaker 4: about two? But what about three? What about faces on faces?
[8:57] Speaker 4: And I just kind of think that like making merch
[9:00] Speaker 4: about yourself, Oh, thank you, thank you. Had to get
[9:03] Speaker 4: it out, thank you. Sometimes I have to be careful
[9:06] Speaker 4: because I do private practice online as well. And one
[9:08] Speaker 4: time I was drinking out of that mug and my
[9:10] Speaker 4: clients or started laughing. I was you did not need
[9:13] Speaker 4: to know that about me? But yeah, I kind of
[9:18] Speaker 4: think like inherently making merch for yourself is like kind
[9:21] Speaker 4: of cringey. So I was like, let me just lean
[9:23] Speaker 4: into it. This what am I gonna do? Say Mary
[9:25] Speaker 4: is the best? You know, I'll let my face speak
[9:28] Speaker 4: for myself. If they want to think I'm the best,
[9:30] Speaker 4: they can if they want to think.
[9:32] Speaker 1: That it's that ironic humor, you know. Yeah, we kind
[9:36] Speaker 1: of like talked about this all season, which is I
[9:40] Speaker 1: think it's so true. You're like the funniest Survivor contestant
[9:44] Speaker 1: on social media. That's I mean, that's no lie, like
[9:47] Speaker 1: it's it is truly crazy because a lot of people
[9:51] Speaker 1: try to be very, very funny and it comes across
[9:54] Speaker 1: so forced on there, and for you, it felt like
[9:57] Speaker 1: you just not even it's not even like you gave up.
[9:59] Speaker 1: You were like, I'm going to post whatever I want
[10:01] Speaker 1: to post, Yeah, and you're just like You're just gonna
[10:05] Speaker 1: get it. And it led to the best social.
[10:07] Speaker 3: Media You've ever been so single that you don't even
[10:09] Speaker 3: have someone to think of when you're yurking, Yeah.
[10:12] Speaker 4: When you're I have I have, I get that. It's wow,
[10:16] Speaker 4: you're speaking to my soul. I truly feel that.
[10:20] Speaker 3: I saw that tweet, I was instantly won over. And
[10:23] Speaker 3: then the merch Store, of course, and I was like,
[10:25] Speaker 3: this is the greatest Survivor contestant I've ever come across,
[10:28] Speaker 3: and I haven't even seen her play. So then I
[10:30] Speaker 3: paid ten dollars for that cameo in which you graciously
[10:33] Speaker 3: read the yurk and tweet, and I really appreciated that
[10:37] Speaker 3: I did do that.
[10:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, how much do you make from cameo?
[10:42] Speaker 4: I think like around five thousand?
[10:44] Speaker 1: Whoa heck you yeah, happy to be ten dollars of that.
[10:48] Speaker 4: Yeah, no, no, it was pretty lit. There was a
[10:51] Speaker 4: while where I was like, damn, I'm living like I'm.
[10:54] Speaker 2: Rich, you know, but this is gonna last forever.
[10:57] Speaker 4: Totally, totally really it was though. That money was nice
[11:01] Speaker 4: because like during the season's airing, we were going crazy.
[11:05] Speaker 4: We were like flying, training, driving every Wednesday, staying in
[11:09] Speaker 4: a different city, and so like that money, like a
[11:12] Speaker 4: lot of it went to just like staying alive during
[11:16] Speaker 4: that time.
[11:17] Speaker 6: Yeah, we know you came to Greenville and you didn't
[11:19] Speaker 6: tell us, And it's fine because I didn't.
[11:22] Speaker 1: Know about that.
[11:24] Speaker 4: I didn't. I didn't feel comfortable enough with you guys.
[11:27] Speaker 1: Yet I regret I don't feel comfortable with them when
[11:32] Speaker 1: I go to green Tails helping you. In last time
[11:37] Speaker 1: I was in Greenville, I straight up attacked PD on
[11:39] Speaker 1: the podcast like in person.
[11:41] Speaker 3: It's so oh it's because I said small girl like
[11:44] Speaker 3: you had a Travis Kelce Taylor video about small girl
[11:48] Speaker 3: and large Boy.
[11:49] Speaker 1: Have you seen that.
[11:51] Speaker 4: I try to stay away from Taylor Swift, but you
[11:53] Speaker 4: can educate me.
[11:55] Speaker 1: What did she?
[11:56] Speaker 4: Oh?
[11:57] Speaker 3: Well, this is a video from a like thirty something
[12:01] Speaker 3: year old white lady where she sounds like it. It's
[12:03] Speaker 3: so nice that Taylor gets to be small girl now
[12:07] Speaker 3: because Travis Kelcey is large boy.
[12:09] Speaker 1: Wow, which is that video makes me so angry every
[12:14] Speaker 1: time I've ever run across it and I somehow mention
[12:17] Speaker 1: it and Pete just has quoted it every episode this season.
[12:22] Speaker 1: And we were in person and he pulled he pulled
[12:24] Speaker 1: that quote out, and I lost it on him and
[12:27] Speaker 1: just reached across the table and had it so well.
[12:30] Speaker 4: Isn't that nice that you could have actually, like, you know,
[12:33] Speaker 4: choked him in real life instead of just like wringing
[12:35] Speaker 4: your hands. It's true over the camera.
[12:37] Speaker 1: I was able to sleep better that night after recording
[12:40] Speaker 1: because usually and I'm like, I couldn't get this energy out.
[12:44] Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. It's nice to be able to sit
[12:46] Speaker 4: across from someone and and that's.
[12:49] Speaker 1: A good threatening in real life, you know.
[12:52] Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, guys, we like joking around, we like
[12:56] Speaker 5: having a good time. But we do have some questions
[12:57] Speaker 5: for you, Mary about your time Survivor, because you know,
[13:00] Speaker 5: it's not an exaggeration to say that you are one
[13:03] Speaker 5: of the most popular Survivor players of the New Era.
[13:06] Speaker 1: I think it's an exaggeration.
[13:07] Speaker 4: To say that's an exaggeration.
[13:09] Speaker 1: I wouldn't say you would you guys say it's an exaggeration.
[13:13] Speaker 1: Remember she's our guest. No, not an exaggeration at all.
[13:17] Speaker 2: I mean, there's really no way to know for sure.
[13:19] Speaker 4: But I respect that. I respect that. I respect that.
[13:24] Speaker 1: No. I actually I just checked brand, so you checked.
[13:28] Speaker 1: I just checked. They all they all said it. They
[13:31] Speaker 1: all said it said five or four bad gateway.
[13:36] Speaker 4: Over and over again.
[13:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a bad gateway.
[13:40] Speaker 5: But no, I don't think it's an exaggeration to say
[13:42] Speaker 5: that you were extremely popular both on your season and
[13:45] Speaker 5: while the season was airing on Twitter and stuff. I mean,
[13:47] Speaker 5: this season kind of the big complaint for me is
[13:49] Speaker 5: that it's not it's not been as fun online as
[13:51] Speaker 5: it has been in the previous season.
[13:53] Speaker 4: They're pretty fun, They're pretty funny without intending to be funny,
[13:58] Speaker 4: which is like a different kind of you know what
[14:00] Speaker 4: I mean. It's like it's like, are you okay funny?
[14:04] Speaker 4: You know?
[14:05] Speaker 1: Yeh yeah. Yeah.
[14:07] Speaker 5: But when you were on your season, were you concerned.
[14:12] Speaker 1: Because there was a little bit there where I was like, I.
[14:15] Speaker 5: Think Mary's gonna win the whole season. Maybe I was
[14:18] Speaker 5: just being hopeful because I drafted you first, and I'm
[14:20] Speaker 5: Mary Strong. I thought you were gonna win the whole
[14:22] Speaker 5: season because I mean, you guys were traveling all over
[14:26] Speaker 5: the place every week that you were like kind of
[14:29] Speaker 5: the forefront, especially like your beef with Say. I was like,
[14:32] Speaker 5: she's the main character of the show for like three
[14:35] Speaker 5: weeks in a row. Did you have the fear of
[14:40] Speaker 5: people getting backlash on you or were you pretty certain
[14:43] Speaker 5: that people were gonna ride hard with you all season?
[14:45] Speaker 4: I think I was, And I think that's why. I mean,
[14:48] Speaker 4: I was wrong because at a certain point, people stopped
[14:50] Speaker 4: riding for me at all. But I think that's what
[14:52] Speaker 4: gave me the confidence to make my mug. You know.
[14:56] Speaker 4: I was like, they're gonna see me, ye, I say,
[15:00] Speaker 4: so fuck it, let me put my face on.
[15:02] Speaker 1: I mean to see me more. But in their cabinet,
[15:04] Speaker 1: you know.
[15:04] Speaker 4: There we go. Yes, yes, no, I thought, you know,
[15:07] Speaker 4: I had a I was nervous at first, but then
[15:12] Speaker 4: I remembered like how much I struggled and how I overcame,
[15:17] Speaker 4: and I was like, they can't they can't put a
[15:19] Speaker 4: bad spin on that, right, But you know, we're all
[15:22] Speaker 4: we're all pretty nervous, Like especially before the first episode,
[15:25] Speaker 4: because it's like we don't know like what story we're
[15:27] Speaker 4: going to get, We don't know what yeah, what vibe
[15:31] Speaker 4: they're going to give us, And even that vibe can
[15:33] Speaker 4: ship too, So even after the first episode, we're like, well, Okay,
[15:36] Speaker 4: it's good now, but what's it going to be like.
[15:38] Speaker 6: Next Yeah, but you had to know at least like
[15:41] Speaker 6: early on, hey, I'm going to get some serious screen
[15:44] Speaker 6: time because of the fact that we were losing a lot,
[15:47] Speaker 6: which like is bad for you know, long term game,
[15:52] Speaker 6: but great for getting on TV and having fun.
[15:54] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[15:55] Speaker 4: Yeah, I hadn't known like how just how much I
[15:59] Speaker 4: would be featured. But I didn't know. I was like,
[16:00] Speaker 4: I'm at least gonna be at the tribal councils, you
[16:02] Speaker 4: know what I mean? Like that that's that that happened.
[16:07] Speaker 4: But I will say, you know what's interesting is this
[16:09] Speaker 4: is my first time like really watching the season in
[16:14] Speaker 4: a way that like a superfan would because before this
[16:16] Speaker 4: I had seen like a few seasons, like maybe like
[16:18] Speaker 4: four seasons before I applied, and then after I got on,
[16:21] Speaker 4: they were like you should, you should watch all of
[16:23] Speaker 4: the New Era, and so then I watched it. But
[16:26] Speaker 4: sometimes it was like out of order and all that
[16:28] Speaker 4: stuff because I only had a few months to watch it,
[16:30] Speaker 4: and I was like, I can't go chronologically. I need
[16:33] Speaker 4: to go by based on like what people say is
[16:35] Speaker 4: the best to the worst seasons, and I have to
[16:39] Speaker 4: say having like what do they call it the loser tribe?
[16:43] Speaker 4: The devastated tribe is like dis sorry, the disaster tribe. Yeah,
[16:48] Speaker 4: although devastating is the devastated Yeah, yeah, it's kind of
[16:54] Speaker 4: not fun. I'm like, damn, I want to know what
[16:57] Speaker 4: the other tribes are like, right, Like like I'm happy
[17:01] Speaker 4: to get to know this person so in depth, but
[17:03] Speaker 4: like there are other people and I want to I
[17:04] Speaker 4: want to I want to see them.
[17:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, so people don't remember you were on Volva.
[17:08] Speaker 4: Yes, I was on Volva clip first, Baby, That's how
[17:11] Speaker 4: I played the game.
[17:14] Speaker 5: And you know you're talking about how you didn't really
[17:17] Speaker 5: know how you're going to be perceived in the edit.
[17:20] Speaker 5: Was I mean when you were out there, because Cedric
[17:24] Speaker 5: immediately becomes kind of the the the kind of the
[17:28] Speaker 5: face of your tribe, did you know, like going in that,
[17:32] Speaker 5: You're like, Okay, people might have a problem with the
[17:34] Speaker 5: way that Cedric's playing the game.
[17:36] Speaker 4: I have to say, I wasn't even thinking about Cedric.
[17:39] Speaker 4: I feel like I was so concerned with like how
[17:41] Speaker 4: I would be perceived that my mind wasn't even like
[17:44] Speaker 4: going to how other people might have been perceived. But poor,
[17:48] Speaker 4: poor Cedric, Poor Cedric.
[17:50] Speaker 1: He just really.
[17:53] Speaker 4: He was just there for the experience, you know. He
[17:56] Speaker 4: was like there to like enjoy the beach and the sunrise,
[17:59] Speaker 4: and then all of a sudden, he's he's he's making
[18:02] Speaker 4: all decisions and they're not very good most of the time.
[18:06] Speaker 4: So but I love I love Cedric. I'm giving him ship.
[18:08] Speaker 1: He he kind of had like the weirdest scenario that
[18:12] Speaker 1: I feel like anybody could possibly have on the show,
[18:15] Speaker 1: which is just like, hey, every every bad choice you have,
[18:19] Speaker 1: you make it alone, dude. Like it was just it
[18:23] Speaker 1: was so bad, and he was on my team, and
[18:25] Speaker 1: the whole time, it's just like I'm watching as I'm
[18:28] Speaker 1: like hiding my face because this is the worst experience
[18:31] Speaker 1: I've ever seen.
[18:31] Speaker 4: But yeah, yeah, but it made you feel alive, right
[18:34] Speaker 4: because you feared you feared, you felt feared.
[18:36] Speaker 1: I felt clear for like an entire half of a season,
[18:40] Speaker 1: you know.
[18:42] Speaker 3: And we ask about the however many our deliberation tribal
[18:46] Speaker 3: and what being part of that was like.
[18:48] Speaker 4: Oh my god, that just I'm I'm like actually mad
[18:51] Speaker 4: that they deliberated for so long, because like I wanted
[18:54] Speaker 4: to bask in the glow because usually people had the
[18:55] Speaker 4: shot in the dark and it's like whoa, they get
[18:58] Speaker 4: to go back and it's all chill. I had my
[19:00] Speaker 4: like who moment and then everyone started crying, and then
[19:03] Speaker 4: I was like, oh my god, now I got a
[19:05] Speaker 4: fucking be apathetic and like my hands on Say's shoulder
[19:09] Speaker 4: and she's crying, and like Cedric's eyebrows are like this,
[19:12] Speaker 4: and his eyes are so big. I'm behind his like glasses,
[19:15] Speaker 4: and like Justin is just like sitting there, like sitting there,
[19:20] Speaker 4: and we're.
[19:20] Speaker 3: All just like it was like, well, so basically Cedric
[19:24] Speaker 3: has a gun and he has to decide whether he's
[19:26] Speaker 3: gonna shoot Justin or.
[19:28] Speaker 4: Say yeah, yeah, yeah pretty much. Yeah, there was like
[19:34] Speaker 4: a lot of shit that they didn't show in terms
[19:37] Speaker 4: of the conversation. It got like very it got very emotional.
[19:40] Speaker 4: You know. I feel like people's like it touched on
[19:44] Speaker 4: like people's trauma and like the wounds they carried into
[19:48] Speaker 4: the survivor and at that point, it just got so
[19:50] Speaker 4: real that I couldn't even like baskin the glory of
[19:53] Speaker 4: what had just happened for me. So selfishly, I was like,
[19:55] Speaker 4: god damn, Like my shot in the dark felt like this,
[19:59] Speaker 4: like the first temper soon and then the rest of
[20:00] Speaker 4: it was just so heavy. It was so so heavy.
[20:04] Speaker 4: Like people were at the end of it, they're like, Mary, like,
[20:07] Speaker 4: you should have said no, you won't work with say
[20:10] Speaker 4: when Cedric was like, I'll keep you if you promise
[20:13] Speaker 4: to each other.
[20:14] Speaker 1: You cut it.
[20:15] Speaker 4: You gotta cut it.
[20:16] Speaker 1: You gotta cut it.
[20:17] Speaker 4: We gotta start being the family were meant to be.
[20:20] Speaker 4: And uh, he'd like, you know, he has like pastor energy,
[20:26] Speaker 4: you know, you know, yes, And people were like, why
[20:31] Speaker 4: didn't you just say no, I won't I won't be
[20:35] Speaker 4: good with her, so why don't you, you know, not
[20:37] Speaker 4: take her. I wasn't even thinking about that. I was exhausted,
[20:39] Speaker 4: I was fatigued, you know. I wanted to go home.
[20:43] Speaker 4: I go to bed in the dirt. Man, I want
[20:46] Speaker 4: my dirt floor bed.
[20:47] Speaker 1: We all know because we do it all the time
[20:50] Speaker 1: that it's like easy to play the game from the couch,
[20:53] Speaker 1: you know, like, oh, this should have happened. This should
[20:55] Speaker 1: have been the way that it was. That person should
[20:57] Speaker 1: have said this. But it's like, I, I mean, it's
[21:00] Speaker 1: interested to know kind of like because when we are watching,
[21:04] Speaker 1: we're obviously seeing an edit of I mean, so much
[21:08] Speaker 1: time is gone from the show, and so for anybody else,
[21:13] Speaker 1: you know, it's like they don't get to see that
[21:16] Speaker 1: entire deliberation. They see like this one millisecond. So for you,
[21:21] Speaker 1: I mean, are you, like quote unquote happy with the
[21:24] Speaker 1: way your edit fell or was there something that went missing?
[21:28] Speaker 1: They were like, oh, I wish people like knew I
[21:30] Speaker 1: said this.
[21:32] Speaker 4: I think what I'm mad about is missing is just
[21:35] Speaker 4: my presence in the second half. Yeah, I feel that's
[21:38] Speaker 4: kind of like, wait, yeah, how me say something. I'm
[21:42] Speaker 4: just like, after a while, I was like, god, damn,
[21:44] Speaker 4: am I about to get purpled in the second half?
[21:46] Speaker 4: You know? But but yeah, I don't know if there
[21:50] Speaker 4: was any way for them to like show like my feeling, well,
[21:54] Speaker 4: I guess they could have showed it if they wanted
[21:55] Speaker 4: to show confessionals, But like, I was just so fucking
[21:58] Speaker 4: happy to be part of the crew, you know, I
[22:01] Speaker 4: was just happy to have anybody talk to me, and
[22:04] Speaker 4: I think it's like you know, I was like, I
[22:06] Speaker 4: remember saying to confessional to the producers one time. I
[22:09] Speaker 4: was like, I've never gotten bullied, you know. Sometime one
[22:11] Speaker 4: time I had this dude say change on to me,
[22:13] Speaker 4: which is racism, but it's different from bullying. I've never
[22:16] Speaker 4: really been bullied in my.
[22:17] Speaker 1: I feel like it does count as bullied.
[22:19] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's spicy kind of bullying, you know, but only once.
[22:26] Speaker 4: And I was like, I don't really know what the
[22:27] Speaker 4: fuck is going on in the show, you know. I
[22:29] Speaker 4: feel like I feel like I can make friends in
[22:32] Speaker 4: real life, but I don't know why I can't connect
[22:34] Speaker 4: with people here, which is interesting because Jeff actually said
[22:38] Speaker 4: that about me in the deliberation process.
[22:42] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[22:43] Speaker 4: Really, he said, I don't know if I'm going to
[22:45] Speaker 4: get in trouble for this. Oh well it's been said.
[22:47] Speaker 4: I was told, Okay, great, that's that's I was gonna say.
[22:51] Speaker 4: That's what I thought too. But people do listen. I listened,
[22:58] Speaker 4: Hell yeah, But the people who could ge us in
[23:00] Speaker 4: trouble don't listen. That's what exactly?
[23:05] Speaker 1: Is that what you're talking about?
[23:06] Speaker 4: No, the like the producers, Rob is he I mean,
[23:09] Speaker 4: he should be honored that he's on making them murds,
[23:14] Speaker 4: you know, yeah, yeah, exactly.
[23:19] Speaker 1: But what did Jeff say?
[23:21] Speaker 4: He So, first off, my audition video was like super crazy.
[23:25] Speaker 4: I was like, And then I was told that Jeff
[23:29] Speaker 4: might think I was too crazy, Like, for example, we
[23:31] Speaker 4: were supposed to do some kind of like call with
[23:34] Speaker 4: the phone and I had lost my phone in Mexico
[23:36] Speaker 4: a week before, and they were like, maybe not tell Jeff.
[23:39] Speaker 4: Don't tell Jeff that you lost your phone. He already
[23:40] Speaker 4: thinks that you're a little bit too crazy. I was like,
[23:42] Speaker 4: all right, so then yeah, so then I talk about
[23:46] Speaker 4: like therapy and the power of language, and then his
[23:49] Speaker 4: thought about me after that was she's a little odd.
[23:53] Speaker 4: I don't think she can get along with the other
[23:55] Speaker 4: people on the tab. And I was like, bro, I'm
[23:58] Speaker 4: trying to show you my range can be crazy deep.
[24:02] Speaker 4: And I was like mad that he said that, But
[24:06] Speaker 4: wasn't he kind of right?
[24:10] Speaker 1: When you're on a tribe with Say and Cedric and Pizza,
[24:14] Speaker 1: I mean, how are you supposed to get along?
[24:16] Speaker 8: You know?
[24:16] Speaker 4: I know the one person I got along with, the
[24:18] Speaker 4: two people I got along with Boom.
[24:21] Speaker 1: I mean, this is also the same guy who let
[24:22] Speaker 1: Philip on the show twice. You know that's my thing
[24:26] Speaker 1: is like I don't know, Philip the one, yeah, like
[24:29] Speaker 1: who had the feather in his.
[24:31] Speaker 4: Oh yes, yes, and would call the girl her name wrong.
[24:35] Speaker 1: Yeah, and then like I'm an FBI agent potentially that
[24:38] Speaker 1: whole thing. I'm like, I don't know, not to discredit,
[24:41] Speaker 1: you know, Jeff from this, but you know, Cole is
[24:44] Speaker 1: somewhat like not easy to get along with and maybe
[24:47] Speaker 1: too crazy. I don't know.
[24:50] Speaker 3: I would love to see this Tasmanian Devil audition video.
[24:55] Speaker 4: I mean, can I it's three minutes? Do you guys
[24:58] Speaker 4: want to hear? How do we can I share my.
[25:06] Speaker 2: I don't know if you can do that.
[25:07] Speaker 4: I don't know. I don't know if you.
[25:08] Speaker 3: Could just get it on your phone and put it
[25:10] Speaker 3: up to the mike. But I don't it's.
[25:12] Speaker 1: Don't feel obligated.
[25:13] Speaker 2: I don't know.
[25:14] Speaker 1: We'll see get upset about it.
[25:15] Speaker 2: Maybe maybe we'll end the episode of that.
[25:17] Speaker 1: How about that?
[25:19] Speaker 4: Yeah. Basically, it was just a video of me running
[25:21] Speaker 4: around my apartment and like having my phone kind of
[25:24] Speaker 4: like this and like pointed towards the camera, and it
[25:27] Speaker 4: was a vision of me in the camera holding my
[25:29] Speaker 4: phone just like talking about I loved it.
[25:33] Speaker 6: I do want to hear your perspective on the shot
[25:37] Speaker 6: in the dark, Like I want to know when you
[25:39] Speaker 6: knew you were going to play it, the feeling of
[25:42] Speaker 6: playing it, like Okay, I'm actually doing this, and then
[25:46] Speaker 6: how long is it between playing it and finding out
[25:51] Speaker 6: like did I did it?
[25:52] Speaker 2: Did it work? The whole process there?
[25:55] Speaker 4: For sure? For sure? Okay? So I think as soon
[26:00] Speaker 4: as we came back from the failed challenge, I knew
[26:03] Speaker 4: I was going to play it. Okay, I had tried
[26:06] Speaker 4: that day to as soon as we came back from
[26:08] Speaker 4: the challenge, I stopped looking for the idol I had
[26:11] Speaker 4: been hunting for like the past few days, and Say
[26:13] Speaker 4: had been following me, and I was when I came
[26:17] Speaker 4: back from the challenge, I was like, well, I could
[26:19] Speaker 4: either keep searching and hope I find it or just
[26:22] Speaker 4: pretend like I already have it, because like, and I
[26:24] Speaker 4: thought that I had a better chance of like bluffing
[26:28] Speaker 4: rather than actually finding it. But then at one point, I,
[26:31] Speaker 4: you know, I think it was I think I'd like,
[26:35] Speaker 4: was it the day before or something? I think I
[26:38] Speaker 4: looked for a lit what's going the last time I
[26:42] Speaker 4: searched my memory. My memory is not very good. People
[26:45] Speaker 4: my friends always go on me for this, and people
[26:47] Speaker 4: always like, you don't remember what happened in Survivor. I'm like, yeah, no,
[26:50] Speaker 4: not really, So.
[26:50] Speaker 1: I can't believe you don't remember one moment from a
[26:53] Speaker 1: thirty day span. Times from a year ago.
[26:56] Speaker 4: Yeah, when I wasn't allowed my diary, Yeah, but I
[27:00] Speaker 4: had had I found a little scroll. I found a
[27:02] Speaker 4: little leaf that looked just like a scroll that outline.
[27:05] Speaker 4: I stuck it in my pocket and I was walking
[27:07] Speaker 4: around with a basic I was like, yeah, I got it.
[27:10] Speaker 4: Then they stuck her hand from my pocket and then
[27:12] Speaker 4: she was like, oh, it's just a leaf. And so
[27:15] Speaker 4: after that, I was like, fuck it, I can't. I
[27:17] Speaker 4: can't do this anymore. I've lost I have to just
[27:20] Speaker 4: pretend like I have something, some kind of power. So
[27:24] Speaker 4: as soon as I got back from the beach, I
[27:25] Speaker 4: was like, well, what would someone you know who feels safe, dude,
[27:28] Speaker 4: they would swim. And so basically from then on, I
[27:30] Speaker 4: knew I was gonna play it. And then when it
[27:33] Speaker 4: came time to go up there and pretend to cast
[27:36] Speaker 4: my vote, I I feel like I'm pretty intuitive, Like
[27:42] Speaker 4: I'm a raking Master, I do tero. You know, I'm
[27:46] Speaker 4: not any more intuitive than anyone else's, but I feel
[27:49] Speaker 4: like I can tap into it, you know. So I
[27:54] Speaker 4: stuck my hand in the little jar, in the little thing,
[27:58] Speaker 4: and I literally touched each die. What are the five?
[28:02] Speaker 4: They're five? Right?
[28:04] Speaker 1: I don't know, I've never placed great questions.
[28:07] Speaker 6: It's I think it's depending on how many players left
[28:12] Speaker 6: in that at the moment.
[28:14] Speaker 2: I think it's all the time, all the time.
[28:18] Speaker 4: Okay, so it's six. Okay. I touched literally every die.
[28:21] Speaker 4: I picked one up and I was like, is this it?
[28:23] Speaker 4: And I was like feeling it? And when I felt
[28:26] Speaker 4: the one that I thought was it, I grabbed it
[28:27] Speaker 4: and I was.
[28:28] Speaker 1: Like, whoa, whoa, I think this is it.
[28:31] Speaker 4: And if you look at my face when he's reading it,
[28:33] Speaker 4: oh wait, So back up we go, we sit down.
[28:37] Speaker 4: I think it's like fifteen to twenty minutes between the
[28:41] Speaker 4: time everyone has cast their vote to the time that
[28:44] Speaker 4: he reads.
[28:45] Speaker 2: Wow.
[28:46] Speaker 4: Yeah, there's like a lot of a lot of downtime,
[28:49] Speaker 4: you know, a lot of time for me to forget
[28:51] Speaker 4: what just happened.
[28:55] Speaker 1: You're like, I'm going to wipe that right now? Did
[28:57] Speaker 1: I did I play my did I.
[28:59] Speaker 4: Play my shot in the dark Holy Shita again? Yeah?
[29:05] Speaker 4: And when you'll see because I've rewatched this this episode
[29:09] Speaker 4: like a couple of times. When Jeff is reading it,
[29:12] Speaker 4: my face I look like a kid at Christmas, you know.
[29:14] Speaker 4: I'm like, it's like an excited look because I'm like,
[29:18] Speaker 4: pretty sure I got it where you know, it's it's
[29:21] Speaker 4: not like, yeah, I have a lot of hope, but I
[29:23] Speaker 4: have a lot of faith at that moment. And then
[29:26] Speaker 4: he reads it and then I react the way that
[29:28] Speaker 4: I feel like someone who understands sports would when their
[29:31] Speaker 4: sports team wins. And in that moment, I felt like
[29:35] Speaker 4: I felt like a dude. You know. I jumped up
[29:38] Speaker 4: and I was like, that's what I'm talking about. I
[29:41] Speaker 4: don't think i've ever said that literally ever.
[29:44] Speaker 5: Well, we all felt the same way because we only
[29:46] Speaker 5: had like a point one percent chance of getting it
[29:50] Speaker 5: right and you nailed it.
[29:52] Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah yeah. And some people are like that
[29:54] Speaker 4: was luck, and I'm like, bitch, I do reiki yea
[29:58] Speaker 4: my intuition, she.
[29:59] Speaker 5: Pulled a couple tarot cards. Right before she saw the
[30:02] Speaker 5: full card. It looked like say so she was like, I.
[30:04] Speaker 3: Knew what what I'm doing it was yeah, yeah, point
[30:09] Speaker 3: one six, but it was still impressive.
[30:11] Speaker 4: Yeah, and then I saw the death card and then
[30:13] Speaker 4: I saw it was Justin and I was, oh, that's happening.
[30:17] Speaker 3: You let him know, right, Wait, what did you say
[30:19] Speaker 3: fifteen minutes? I said it was more of a chance
[30:21] Speaker 3: than what was the like? Point one six?
[30:23] Speaker 1: Is that he said? No, I did the math. I
[30:24] Speaker 1: did the math on my.
[30:25] Speaker 3: Cokay, wait, you dude, Chasing said you said it's a
[30:33] Speaker 3: one in six chance.
[30:35] Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, yeah, I mean it would actually be a
[30:38] Speaker 1: sixteen percent chance sixteen because you didn't move that decimal over.
[30:43] Speaker 1: So yeah, you're right, but that's okay, that's okay, the public.
[30:48] Speaker 4: Over, that's not You're back now.
[30:52] Speaker 5: Yeah, guys, speaking of Cedric Pete, I believe you have
[30:57] Speaker 5: something from Cedric.
[30:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, I do. Uh, Me and Ace went and saw
[31:01] Speaker 1: an improv Brand.
[31:03] Speaker 3: I'm sorry, was yes, yes, So me and Brand went
[31:09] Speaker 3: and saw Cedric tell a bunch of stories about his
[31:13] Speaker 3: time on Survivor, and then they.
[31:14] Speaker 6: He didn't do the improv, And I do think that's
[31:17] Speaker 6: important to know.
[31:19] Speaker 4: It was, oh, I know what these things are. Tell
[31:21] Speaker 4: stories and then the improv team does bits based on
[31:24] Speaker 4: his stories.
[31:25] Speaker 6: Yes, I think he was a bit confused about what
[31:27] Speaker 6: was happening, but he told great stories.
[31:30] Speaker 1: Yes, I should have gone man Cedric.
[31:34] Speaker 3: I did ask permission from Cedric to bring up something
[31:37] Speaker 3: he said. I don't think he knows that I was
[31:39] Speaker 3: taking a bootleg recording of it, but I'm going to
[31:42] Speaker 3: play that right now.
[31:43] Speaker 4: Don't tell anybody that it's illegal to record without people's
[31:46] Speaker 4: consent in the US.
[31:47] Speaker 8: It was.
[31:50] Speaker 3: It was at an improv show. I can record him.
[31:52] Speaker 1: It's fine. Brand's a lawyer, he'll be all right.
[31:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, and he was on stage and technically it's public, right,
[31:59] Speaker 3: he was on stage giving a speech.
[32:01] Speaker 1: I can Yeah, So I'm not going, Yeah, you're a.
[32:05] Speaker 4: Lawyer, right, but like I care about laws, keep going.
[32:08] Speaker 3: Hopefully y'all will be able to hear this. Let me
[32:10] Speaker 3: know if you can't.
[32:11] Speaker 8: When you first get two Fiji, we all find the
[32:14] Speaker 8: same airplane.
[32:15] Speaker 4: Does sound like a.
[32:21] Speaker 1: Y'all hear that?
[32:22] Speaker 4: It's literally like an NLK recording from like this. The
[32:26] Speaker 4: audio is not, I mean, but I want to I
[32:29] Speaker 4: can hear it?
[32:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, we can. Did you just have a brand?
[32:34] Speaker 8: First get two Fiji, we all fly on the same airplane,
[32:38] Speaker 8: all are instructed to not talk to each other.
[32:41] Speaker 7: It's complete silence.
[32:42] Speaker 8: So you're walking around with eighteen people you're going to
[32:45] Speaker 8: be competing with.
[32:46] Speaker 7: You're on the same airplane.
[32:47] Speaker 8: You're passing them on The flight to go to the
[32:50] Speaker 8: bathroom to fight is fourteen hours or so.
[32:53] Speaker 7: They take your phones, so you don't know what time
[32:55] Speaker 7: it is.
[32:55] Speaker 8: You have no sense of any day, but you also
[32:58] Speaker 8: know it's a long flight side.
[32:59] Speaker 7: But you're sitting next to the people when you get
[33:01] Speaker 7: too feed.
[33:02] Speaker 8: The entire week before filming National Stars, there's still.
[33:06] Speaker 7: No talking, but you're looking at everybody. You're watching everything
[33:09] Speaker 7: and how they eat. You see what they're choosing to be.
[33:13] Speaker 7: Like Mary.
[33:13] Speaker 8: Here's an example. Mary, she's on my season. The entire time,
[33:16] Speaker 8: she's like practicing and she has a frisbee and she's
[33:19] Speaker 8: throwing the frisbee.
[33:20] Speaker 4: I did that once.
[33:23] Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, who does that? And then got a
[33:25] Speaker 3: big leb wow. He said, all the time, you're throwing
[33:28] Speaker 3: the frisbee album all the time.
[33:29] Speaker 4: I did that once because I felt like a jaguar
[33:33] Speaker 4: trapped in a very small zoom. I'm going crazy and
[33:37] Speaker 4: there was one frisbee, so I just kept throwing it up.
[33:39] Speaker 4: But I threw it up really aggressively. It was pretty
[33:42] Speaker 4: crazy because after the season ended, and like before I
[33:45] Speaker 4: had really gotten to know my castmates, like on a
[33:47] Speaker 4: personal level, I was like, Yo, is this racism? Did
[33:51] Speaker 4: they think that I was just like this scary Asian chick,
[33:55] Speaker 4: you know, because I'm Asian? And then everybody was like, yo,
[33:58] Speaker 4: you were fucking bonkers pregame and I was like, oh, okay.
[34:03] Speaker 1: No, I'm with you. I think it was ringcism definitely, hell.
[34:06] Speaker 4: Yeah, hellya, look at you trying to atone for your sins.
[34:08] Speaker 1: But it wasn't bullied.
[34:10] Speaker 6: Remember it's important that we acknowledge when we're wrong and
[34:13] Speaker 6: we continue to learn.
[34:14] Speaker 2: Good job, Chase.
[34:16] Speaker 1: I don't think I was wrong. Ignorant is the word? Yeah, yeah,
[34:22] Speaker 1: not wrong. No, I do want to even think I
[34:24] Speaker 1: was ignorant. I don't think this is on me at all.
[34:27] Speaker 4: I think it's us educational.
[34:29] Speaker 5: The more importantly, the South Carolina public education system. No
[34:32] Speaker 5: one says that they're good, you know what I mean,
[34:33] Speaker 5: So that.
[34:35] Speaker 1: I'm in North Carolina and we don't say it's good.
[34:38] Speaker 1: I mean brand with the law school, so he's obviously
[34:40] Speaker 1: more educationd I.
[34:41] Speaker 4: Will say everyone's English is very good.
[34:44] Speaker 1: Oh, it's actually my first language, believe it or not.
[34:50] Speaker 6: I do want to ask another story that he told
[34:53] Speaker 6: that same evening was about the challenge where there was
[34:57] Speaker 6: the caller and everyone was supposed to go out and.
[34:59] Speaker 2: Do the thing right.
[35:01] Speaker 6: And he claims, and you can say that this is
[35:03] Speaker 6: not true, but he claims that the plan the whole
[35:06] Speaker 6: time was for you to be the caller.
[35:09] Speaker 4: That's true.
[35:10] Speaker 6: You get out there and you say, I can't be
[35:13] Speaker 6: the caller? Is why Cedric ends up being the caller?
[35:16] Speaker 4: Correct? Correct, that's true. That's true. There was a puzzle
[35:19] Speaker 4: at the end of slide puzzle and I never did
[35:21] Speaker 4: a slide puzzle in my life. I me and numbers
[35:24] Speaker 4: and calculations, all of those things there. If you recall,
[35:27] Speaker 4: I was also on a journey where there was it
[35:30] Speaker 4: was a slide puzzle and I didn't get it. So yeah,
[35:33] Speaker 4: when we got out there and the last thing was
[35:35] Speaker 4: a slide puzzle that a caller had to do, I
[35:37] Speaker 4: was like, yo, man, I can't fucking do this. But
[35:41] Speaker 4: then also like neither case Cedric. But that's okay, you know,
[35:44] Speaker 4: we still we still tried. Camilla probably was the funniest
[35:48] Speaker 4: out of everyone at a certain point, like after their
[35:53] Speaker 4: team had done it, Camilla was pretending to be Cedric.
[35:56] Speaker 1: She was like, let's out one yell or scream like
[36:06] Speaker 1: he did on the Wall that one time.
[36:08] Speaker 4: Oh yeah versus Wall. He never gave up. He's right,
[36:15] Speaker 4: I don't know, he's you know, he's got things cooking
[36:20] Speaker 4: about his his his trials and tribulations and accomplishments.
[36:24] Speaker 3: He gets to hang out with Gail King on a
[36:26] Speaker 3: regular basis. That guy is one and he's going to the.
[36:28] Speaker 4: Moon waiting is the one who went to the moon?
[36:31] Speaker 1: Right, Yes, this is big for us. Did Katy Perry.
[36:37] Speaker 4: Did it to age Summer?
[36:44] Speaker 1: That means that how many degrees does that make us
[36:48] Speaker 1: from Katy Perry at this point, PD, because it's it's
[36:51] Speaker 1: you know Cedric now know, I'm just saying no loosely
[36:57] Speaker 1: and Perry and then gaynt Katy Perry.
[37:01] Speaker 5: Ge knows space buddies, you know, or what Mary knows Cedric,
[37:06] Speaker 5: who knows Gail, who knows who knows Katie?
[37:08] Speaker 1: So that four we can do that.
[37:10] Speaker 4: You guys know Cedric, Yeah, Me and Brand know Cedric.
[37:12] Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but I didn't. I wasn't there, so I
[37:14] Speaker 1: don't really think it. Me and Chase are one more degree.
[37:17] Speaker 4: For everybody here.
[37:19] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[37:19] Speaker 7: Yeah.
[37:20] Speaker 1: Basically, let me think, who's the most famous person I know?
[37:23] Speaker 1: Maybe they know Cedric. I mean I think.
[37:29] Speaker 6: Realistically I'm the closest to Katie Perry. Okay, on people
[37:34] Speaker 6: people that I mean, we don't need to get to
[37:35] Speaker 6: the people.
[37:35] Speaker 8: Bring it up.
[37:36] Speaker 1: You brought it up. I want your name drop now,
[37:38] Speaker 1: I don't. I mean she might be friends with Jelly Roll.
[37:42] Speaker 2: That's oh you.
[37:45] Speaker 4: You had pictures with Jelly Roll.
[37:47] Speaker 1: What were you doing?
[37:47] Speaker 4: You were out there?
[37:49] Speaker 1: I was out there.
[37:50] Speaker 3: I was I was writing the Gospel Music Awards, the
[37:53] Speaker 3: Double Awards, and Jelly Roll performed in the rain.
[37:57] Speaker 1: Guys, I think I kicked the cake.
[37:58] Speaker 5: Actually I did a commercial with Darius Rutger, who has
[38:02] Speaker 5: a song with Katie Perry.
[38:06] Speaker 4: You guys are famous, much more famous than I thought.
[38:09] Speaker 1: I wouldn't say we're famous. I'd say we're workhorses.
[38:12] Speaker 5: We're really talented individuals who work in different degrees of film.
[38:17] Speaker 1: Why don't you why don't you tell us? Didn't you
[38:19] Speaker 1: not even know it was Darius Rucker when you ran
[38:21] Speaker 1: across him. Yeah, no, I big dog Darius Rutger.
[38:24] Speaker 4: Yeah, And does that mean you walk up to someone
[38:27] Speaker 4: and you're like, what's up, big dog? Yeah? He uh no.
[38:31] Speaker 1: He walked up to me and he said good morning,
[38:32] Speaker 1: and I said, oh, what's up?
[38:33] Speaker 8: Man?
[38:33] Speaker 1: And then I just kind of walked off and they
[38:35] Speaker 1: didn't feel like talking. And then Chase looked at him
[38:37] Speaker 1: and said, you know, if you put your mind to something,
[38:39] Speaker 1: you could you could achieve anything.
[38:41] Speaker 4: Man.
[38:41] Speaker 5: You know what was crazy is he was playing a
[38:43] Speaker 5: guitar and I was like, dude, if you keep following
[38:45] Speaker 5: your dreams, maybe one day you could be a successful singer.
[38:51] Speaker 1: Maybe maybe. No, I didn't say that.
[38:53] Speaker 7: No.
[38:53] Speaker 1: Uh, he was a super nice guy.
[38:55] Speaker 3: Have you ever thought about singing wagon wheel? I think
[38:57] Speaker 3: that would wagon on the wheel something.
[39:01] Speaker 1: Guys, we do have a game for this episode.
[39:04] Speaker 4: We want thanks for transitioning when I knew nothing about
[39:07] Speaker 4: the subjects.
[39:10] Speaker 1: Rucker, he sang the song wagon wheel.
[39:14] Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, yes, except he didn't pronounce it wagon and
[39:20] Speaker 3: that yeah, that's why I said that wagon. Actually, one
[39:23] Speaker 3: more thing before we before we get into it, I
[39:26] Speaker 3: want to ask how you became aware of our show,
[39:29] Speaker 3: because we got one thing that blew our minds was
[39:33] Speaker 3: we got a voice message from you where you were
[39:35] Speaker 3: like I fucking love your show. And you might not
[39:38] Speaker 3: remember doing this, but it was a big deal to us.
[39:40] Speaker 3: I think it was like the first or second week.
[39:43] Speaker 2: Did we just do it to all the other podcasts?
[39:46] Speaker 4: I did a voice message? Whose number did I have
[39:48] Speaker 4: to do? The voice?
[39:50] Speaker 1: The Instagram the grand voice?
[39:54] Speaker 4: You sure it wasn't one of you guys who asked
[39:56] Speaker 4: me to say that one of you?
[39:59] Speaker 3: It was a host, Cammi. It was unprompted. This is
[40:01] Speaker 3: like after week one, you're like, thank you so much?
[40:03] Speaker 1: I feel seen.
[40:05] Speaker 8: Was it was it?
[40:06] Speaker 4: Did I find out about the show because of the cameo?
[40:09] Speaker 4: Maybe probably that it could have been that, or the
[40:14] Speaker 4: fact that after I was on Survivor and I realized
[40:17] Speaker 4: there were many podcasts about Survivor, I spared all of
[40:20] Speaker 4: them would have been that too.
[40:23] Speaker 1: So what you're seeing is you found out about us
[40:25] Speaker 1: because PD paid for it.
[40:29] Speaker 4: Honestly, the best, the best ten dollars I've ever been paid.
[40:34] Speaker 1: Perfect, you know, keep paying people, p D. Yeah.
[40:37] Speaker 3: In that cameo, uh, Mary said p D like, I
[40:40] Speaker 3: hope I can meet you one day and here we
[40:43] Speaker 3: are wow on sincastercaster.
[40:47] Speaker 1: Hell yeah we also, I mean.
[40:49] Speaker 5: We were uploading a ton of clips about Mary and
[40:52] Speaker 5: they were all getting like this one guy almost two.
[40:54] Speaker 1: Hundred thousand views. We rode the Mary train. Yeah, we
[40:59] Speaker 1: were doing pr for you early.
[41:01] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[41:01] Speaker 4: You guys were, No, you really were. You guys were
[41:04] Speaker 4: like the first one of the first encounters that I
[41:08] Speaker 4: had where I was like, you know what, I might
[41:09] Speaker 4: be okay because at first I remember listening to that
[41:12] Speaker 4: podcast and I was like, ah, shit, where are they
[41:14] Speaker 4: going with this? Because at first I didn't know PD
[41:16] Speaker 4: where you were going with it. You were just like
[41:18] Speaker 4: and then there's Mary and you were like I saw
[41:21] Speaker 4: her Twitter and I'm like, oh god, fuck, what did
[41:23] Speaker 4: I sweet? And then and then you were like she's cool.
[41:25] Speaker 4: And I was like, hey, they all think I'm cool,
[41:29] Speaker 4: maybe other people will too. And I was like, okay,
[41:31] Speaker 4: I can sleep tonight.
[41:32] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[41:33] Speaker 5: We also we also started telling everyone you were maga.
[41:35] Speaker 5: We told everyone that had listened that you were maga.
[41:37] Speaker 4: Your power. With great power comes great responsibility.
[41:41] Speaker 1: Man m hm. And we abused that power.
[41:44] Speaker 4: You did, and yet and yet I'm still here. Cedric
[41:46] Speaker 4: Pastor has taught me forgiveness.
[41:48] Speaker 1: Oh good, nice.
[41:50] Speaker 8: Wow.
[41:51] Speaker 3: The video that you were talking about getting two hundred
[41:54] Speaker 3: k I think it was the Yurkin tweet one like,
[41:56] Speaker 3: would people send you videos of us talking about you?
[41:59] Speaker 3: We would see all throughout the season. We made that
[42:01] Speaker 3: video preseason, it was getting shared like the whole time.
[42:05] Speaker 4: I did get a few on TikTok. Do my TikTok friends, Well,
[42:09] Speaker 4: all my friends do TikTok, but a few of them
[42:11] Speaker 4: send me things on TikTok and they were all pretty excited.
[42:14] Speaker 4: And I had a few send me that one.
[42:16] Speaker 1: Oh and then Brand's song about you.
[42:18] Speaker 4: Yeah right, yeah, oh my god, like one of the
[42:22] Speaker 4: best presents ever write a song about me. Usually it's
[42:26] Speaker 4: the other way around.
[42:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's usually you writing a song about an ex boyfriend.
[42:30] Speaker 2: Yeah, and listen, when it comes to you, it comes
[42:34] Speaker 2: to you.
[42:34] Speaker 6: And when when someone stands up for somebody when they
[42:37] Speaker 6: get voted out of the game, it just you're inspired
[42:42] Speaker 6: moment in a beautiful, beautiful game.
[42:46] Speaker 4: I will say all of you guys, you know, no
[42:48] Speaker 4: homo or no headero, because I think the times have changed,
[42:50] Speaker 4: no headero. You guys are all very talented, not all
[42:54] Speaker 4: of us. I do need that. Yeah, you're right, Chase,
[42:56] Speaker 4: not you not.
[42:59] Speaker 1: Chase. Chase once again had a song where he was
[43:03] Speaker 1: rapping and then withheld it from us.
[43:05] Speaker 3: So I'm I'm.
[43:07] Speaker 1: Still mad about you guys want to hear it. You
[43:08] Speaker 1: guys want to hear it this guy, Mary. Is this
[43:19] Speaker 1: what you expected when you got on the podcast today?
[43:22] Speaker 4: More or less?
[43:23] Speaker 1: Yeah, Kika, I like, we don't. We wanted to exceed
[43:27] Speaker 1: expectations by making it as chaotic as possible.
[43:30] Speaker 4: I'm having fun. I'm glad that there's a lot of
[43:33] Speaker 4: ship talking. I was scared that it would be like polite,
[43:36] Speaker 4: and I was scared that I was gonna have to
[43:38] Speaker 4: be like, you know, you guys can shoot on me.
[43:40] Speaker 4: It's going to be more fun that way.
[43:41] Speaker 1: Well, we would never do that. We love you. You're
[43:45] Speaker 1: my favorite Survivor player of all time.
[43:49] Speaker 4: You say that every time to every guest. Chase doing that,
[43:56] Speaker 4: I take you freaking little.
[43:59] Speaker 1: Hey Like Chase puts up a Q and A on
[44:02] Speaker 1: his Instagram story two days ago, and I just sent
[44:05] Speaker 1: him a question, just said new Era favorite player. Because
[44:09] Speaker 1: I was like pick one and he didn't. I posted
[44:12] Speaker 1: a picture of every tribe from the New Era.
[44:16] Speaker 3: I went after Mary last season a couple of times,
[44:18] Speaker 3: like when she was trying to get Camilla out that
[44:20] Speaker 3: one week yeah.
[44:22] Speaker 4: Oh my god. People were like, oh my god, me,
[44:24] Speaker 4: you're racist, and I'm just like, oh my god. It's
[44:27] Speaker 4: a game and Camilla is a good player.
[44:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, but.
[44:34] Speaker 4: There was you know, racist come up a few times.
[44:39] Speaker 1: I'm gonna say he has come up more than any
[44:41] Speaker 1: episode we had actually season on Time Machine.
[44:45] Speaker 4: Dude.
[44:46] Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's I wasn't there for that because I thought,
[44:49] Speaker 1: I'm not going to partake in this, you know, Okay,
[44:52] Speaker 1: should we go to therapy, should do a game? I
[44:55] Speaker 1: need to oh on here?
[44:58] Speaker 3: Okay, So today we're doing survivor therapy. Since we have
[45:03] Speaker 3: a person who you know, it's their actual job. Mary
[45:06] Speaker 3: does this for a living. She has clients, we thought
[45:08] Speaker 3: it'd be the perfect time that we can all put
[45:10] Speaker 3: on our therapist hats and pick somebody from this season
[45:14] Speaker 3: or anything survivor related and try to give them some help.
[45:19] Speaker 1: P D want to go first?
[45:21] Speaker 3: I don't think I should go first. Mine's weird. How
[45:23] Speaker 3: about Jonathan? Why don't you go first?
[45:26] Speaker 5: Wow?
[45:27] Speaker 1: Yeah, I as I think I'm the most qualified in
[45:30] Speaker 1: here for this, right?
[45:31] Speaker 3: Is that what I was?
[45:33] Speaker 1: Because your wife one degree away, one degree therapist, she is,
[45:39] Speaker 1: she's a counselor and chill.
[45:41] Speaker 4: She's not that chill.
[45:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, she's got that chill. No, she really does. She
[45:47] Speaker 1: has that chill feel. And I think that because of
[45:51] Speaker 1: her work on getting master's degrees and all those other degrees.
[45:54] Speaker 1: I was in the you know, the general vicinity, so
[45:57] Speaker 1: I picked up on all right, right, right, So you know, guys,
[46:00] Speaker 1: I really I really wanted to talk to Sage tonight
[46:04] Speaker 1: because Sage is on my team and I felt like,
[46:08] Speaker 1: you know, why don't we help Sage come to, you know,
[46:12] Speaker 1: some some conclusions about her life, right, Like, I don't
[46:16] Speaker 1: want to suggest anything. That's not what we do as counselors, right.
[46:20] Speaker 1: We help lead people to their conclusion that helps them
[46:23] Speaker 1: navigate their right, right, Mary, that's right, that's right. So
[46:28] Speaker 1: I would love to if I could talk to Sage
[46:31] Speaker 1: for just a moment, I would say, Sage, I can't help.
[46:34] Speaker 1: But notice that you do bring up all of these
[46:37] Speaker 1: really gross hobbies that you have, and well there seem
[46:43] Speaker 1: to be a few, you know, there's like there's two,
[46:45] Speaker 1: there's a lot of poop and black heads collecting, And
[46:50] Speaker 1: I would love to ask Sage, Sage, why do you
[46:53] Speaker 1: feel that this is the first fact that you need
[46:56] Speaker 1: to bring forward when meeting a new crowd of peace people,
[47:01] Speaker 1: Is this where she potentially finds that she is the
[47:03] Speaker 1: most unique and the most valuable in people's eyes? Oh? Wow,
[47:08] Speaker 1: I don't you know? That would be what I would
[47:10] Speaker 1: ask Sage. And I would say, Sage, I believe when
[47:14] Speaker 1: I'm talking to her that she would be much more
[47:19] Speaker 1: than just a blackhead collector, much more than just a
[47:22] Speaker 1: poop or a feces enthusiast. Right. I believe, Sage, that
[47:27] Speaker 1: there is much more deeper down that people would find
[47:31] Speaker 1: highly valuable in a dynamic or a friendship. And so
[47:34] Speaker 1: the next thing I would ask, though, is just from
[47:37] Speaker 1: her past of saying she has trouble keeping friends or
[47:41] Speaker 1: that they didn't want to stick around, I would say, Sage,
[47:44] Speaker 1: do you think that you might be pushing them away
[47:47] Speaker 1: by adding these facts very early on? Or maybe she's
[47:53] Speaker 1: perhaps testing the waters to say, if they can't accept
[47:57] Speaker 1: me at my most extreme, then I don't want to
[48:01] Speaker 1: be too invested in this alliance. I don't want to
[48:03] Speaker 1: be too invested in this friendship. And so Sage, I
[48:07] Speaker 1: would say, consider this. We all love you, we know
[48:11] Speaker 1: you're much more than just black head collecting, and we
[48:15] Speaker 1: believe that you're capable of more. But she just has
[48:18] Speaker 1: to believe that about herself.
[48:19] Speaker 4: She could do white head collections.
[48:21] Speaker 1: I know she could do white heads, potentially cysts. You know,
[48:25] Speaker 1: we believe you know. I'm just saying she's very capable
[48:29] Speaker 1: of much more.
[48:30] Speaker 3: Wait, she's capable of more. Collect I thought the collecting
[48:33] Speaker 3: was the problem in the first place.
[48:35] Speaker 4: Collecting things and collecting friends.
[48:40] Speaker 8: I love it.
[48:42] Speaker 1: I love it. Imagine that all I would challenge her
[48:45] Speaker 1: with this. Imagine all of the people on your tribe
[48:47] Speaker 1: are little black heads, and that your your heart is
[48:51] Speaker 1: the jar, and you want to put them all in there.
[48:55] Speaker 4: I write that down.
[48:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, I actually was hoping you would write that down.
[48:59] Speaker 1: You're hart is the jar, and the rest of everyone
[49:02] Speaker 1: around you are the black heads. This might be problematic
[49:07] Speaker 1: that I said that.
[49:08] Speaker 4: No, No, I think that works. I would, you know,
[49:11] Speaker 4: I would go to that therapy session if my insurance
[49:13] Speaker 4: covered it.
[49:14] Speaker 1: Thank you, And it does it. So you're gonna have
[49:16] Speaker 1: to pay the full thing, A bunch of money.
[49:19] Speaker 4: You can pay for my therapy.
[49:21] Speaker 5: Oh see, daddy, freak out, what's going on over there?
[49:24] Speaker 5: I was just, you know, someone mentioned, you know, affording something,
[49:28] Speaker 5: and I just got that Darius Rutger one degree away money.
[49:32] Speaker 3: You know I had time Darius Rutger. You think he's
[49:34] Speaker 3: got time for us? Yeah, come on, guys, I mean I.
[49:37] Speaker 2: As much fun as we're poking fun at Chase.
[49:39] Speaker 6: I do want to acknowledge Chase was the only one
[49:41] Speaker 6: that while I was live streaming and raising money for
[49:44] Speaker 6: charity all weekend, only one person here gave and it
[49:47] Speaker 6: was Chase.
[49:47] Speaker 1: That's not true that.
[49:50] Speaker 2: Three cents Barry gave.
[49:57] Speaker 1: I gave my support Brand because I said, how are you?
[50:01] Speaker 1: I asked, oh yeah, and that's enough going. Brand did
[50:05] Speaker 1: a twenty four hour live stream where he raised my
[50:08] Speaker 1: dollars for chick.
[50:10] Speaker 6: Wait, technically it was twenty nine hours, but it's really
[50:13] Speaker 6: it's neither here nor there.
[50:15] Speaker 4: No, truly neither here nor there. That's crazy. Did you
[50:18] Speaker 4: like take it to the bathroom when you pete and no, no.
[50:22] Speaker 7: No, no, no, no no no.
[50:23] Speaker 6: There's there's multiple people involved, so you took your little
[50:26] Speaker 6: headset mic off.
[50:27] Speaker 2: Somebody is always yes, you always take the headset off.
[50:30] Speaker 6: You don't want to, you know, have a jink situation
[50:33] Speaker 6: where you say I killed her.
[50:34] Speaker 1: You know one of those I kept watching and I said,
[50:37] Speaker 1: if he just left that mic on while in the bathroom,
[50:39] Speaker 1: I might give to this.
[50:41] Speaker 5: So I feel they need to I need to point
[50:42] Speaker 5: out what fans said after I donated, because I I
[50:46] Speaker 5: donated some money to the stream, and uh, he brought
[50:50] Speaker 5: it up on the stream like he did all the donations.
[50:52] Speaker 5: He goes Chase donated one hundred dollars. But I know
[50:55] Speaker 5: how many subscribers he has. How about your donate some more?
[50:59] Speaker 4: Oh so it wasn't good enough.
[51:01] Speaker 8: I love it.
[51:03] Speaker 2: And it was great.
[51:05] Speaker 6: Listen, Sometimes you have to shame people into reaching your goals.
[51:11] Speaker 2: And I'm not above that.
[51:12] Speaker 4: That's beautiful for the children, for the children, the kids.
[51:16] Speaker 1: And we're letting brand do therapy tonight.
[51:18] Speaker 4: Is that? Yeah, let you go next, We're letting him try. Well.
[51:21] Speaker 6: I do want to bring up I do want to
[51:23] Speaker 6: bring up Ris God because I can't help. But notice
[51:28] Speaker 6: Risk God that every time you talk about yourself, you almost.
[51:34] Speaker 2: Like a tick.
[51:35] Speaker 6: I have to say riz g O, d Ris God baby,
[51:40] Speaker 6: And I want to know why you listen. I like it,
[51:44] Speaker 6: I find it endearing, but I can't help but wonder
[51:48] Speaker 6: why you feel the need to do that.
[51:49] Speaker 2: You are wonderful the way that you are.
[51:53] Speaker 6: You are a beautiful boy, you play a wonderful game.
[51:57] Speaker 4: I'm very hot lesbian too, did you? They were like,
[52:01] Speaker 4: they were like, this is like this might be the
[52:03] Speaker 4: sexiest lesbian ever.
[52:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, I haven't thought about that.
[52:09] Speaker 1: But he's a beautiful I mean top three, and I
[52:13] Speaker 1: just can't help but wonders the top Who's who's number one?
[52:16] Speaker 7: In two?
[52:20] Speaker 4: Chase is number one?
[52:21] Speaker 6: That's ye, yes, Chase and risk God or battle it
[52:29] Speaker 6: out for third. But why do you want Why do
[52:33] Speaker 6: you feel the need to do that? Do you feel
[52:35] Speaker 6: is it a coping mechanism? Is it, you know, a
[52:38] Speaker 6: way for you to feel like you are kind of
[52:41] Speaker 6: in charge of the way in which people perceive you,
[52:44] Speaker 6: like you want them to know, Hey, I'm a riz god,
[52:49] Speaker 6: I am going to dominate. Do you feel the need
[52:51] Speaker 6: to constantly say that because you're worried that your game
[52:55] Speaker 6: perhaps isn't that amazing. Perhaps you're worried that you might fail,
[53:00] Speaker 6: and your way of getting ahead of that is having
[53:02] Speaker 6: this fun, silly little gimmick.
[53:04] Speaker 1: Again.
[53:05] Speaker 5: I like it.
[53:06] Speaker 6: I don't get I'm not mad at I'm not even
[53:08] Speaker 6: annoyed by it, but it is something that I've noticed,
[53:11] Speaker 6: and I've just wondered.
[53:12] Speaker 2: Why, why is God?
[53:14] Speaker 6: Do you feel the need to spell it, say it
[53:18] Speaker 6: and then say baby.
[53:22] Speaker 3: Is there any uplifting part of this or just like why, no,
[53:26] Speaker 3: it's beautiful boy.
[53:28] Speaker 1: I did say he was a beautiful boy.
[53:31] Speaker 2: I'm not saying.
[53:37] Speaker 6: I'm not I'm not saying I'm not gonna tell him, hey,
[53:40] Speaker 6: you have to stop it.
[53:41] Speaker 2: I just I just would like for him.
[53:43] Speaker 1: To maybe consider why, consider the why.
[53:47] Speaker 3: So you want him to get on a confessional and
[53:49] Speaker 3: be like, hey, everybody, so this is why I say
[53:51] Speaker 3: my name this way every single time you're.
[53:54] Speaker 1: PD, Hey, p D, I forget we were doing this,
[53:57] Speaker 1: So maybe just shove all the way off. I'm doing
[53:59] Speaker 1: the best. In Brand's defense, you are simply posing the
[54:04] Speaker 1: questions to risk God and allowing him to discover to
[54:08] Speaker 1: dig a little deeper within himself.
[54:10] Speaker 2: You know, and I did again. I'm not say you
[54:14] Speaker 2: too many times, but he is a beautiful boy.
[54:16] Speaker 5: Yeah, beautiful Top three Lesbion, top three beautiful boys.
[54:20] Speaker 1: Potentially whoa I said what I said? That might be
[54:25] Speaker 1: who's next? Should I do this? Yeah, let's hear yours man.
[54:29] Speaker 3: Okay, So my therapy session is for Shannon. And it's
[54:33] Speaker 3: important for me to start this by saying, I don't
[54:35] Speaker 3: condone the use of AI, but it was brought to
[54:38] Speaker 3: my attention by somebody in our comments that Shannon used
[54:41] Speaker 3: AI and got it to talk to her like Ramdas
[54:43] Speaker 3: and Jesus.
[54:46] Speaker 1: Have we have we all heard that brand? Did you
[54:47] Speaker 1: get about that.
[54:50] Speaker 4: Advice? Right?
[54:51] Speaker 2: Yes?
[54:52] Speaker 1: So I'm gonna hold on real quick at risk of
[54:55] Speaker 1: embarrassing myself. Who was the first.
[55:01] Speaker 3: He was kicked out of Harvard for doing acid with students,
[55:04] Speaker 3: and then became like a spiritual teacher?
[55:06] Speaker 1: Okay, and then now who's Jesus.
[55:10] Speaker 4: Dude? That's I'm glad you asked. I didn't know either.
[55:13] Speaker 1: I was scared this is gonna take a long time.
[55:16] Speaker 3: So I thought that it would be best for me
[55:18] Speaker 3: because if I want to get through to Shannon, I
[55:20] Speaker 3: got to speak her language, so I use chat GPT.
[55:24] Speaker 1: Oh.
[55:26] Speaker 3: This is a therapy session for Shannon in the style
[55:29] Speaker 3: of Jesus Christ and ramdash Beloved, Shannon, be not troubled
[55:37] Speaker 3: by the words that others cast upon you, for the
[55:40] Speaker 3: world will always speak vile things, such as baseless comparisons
[55:43] Speaker 3: to Charles Manson. When you walk in the light of sincerity.
[55:49] Speaker 3: The shadows will misunderstand you, but the light knows its source. Remember, child,
[55:56] Speaker 3: your path is not to prove your purity, but to
[55:59] Speaker 3: live it.
[56:00] Speaker 1: Let your heart.
[56:00] Speaker 3: Remain soft, even when the world and Jonathan would have
[56:04] Speaker 3: you harden it. You stand now among new faces, a
[56:08] Speaker 3: new tribe. Some may see you as a threat, some
[56:11] Speaker 3: may see you as a mystery. But do not shrink
[56:14] Speaker 3: or perform. Simply be the power of loved when lived authentically,
[56:19] Speaker 3: is a quiet revolution. Let them see your kindness without calculation,
[56:23] Speaker 3: your strength without armor. When you walk with awareness, every
[56:27] Speaker 3: moment becomes an invitation to return to God, to love
[56:31] Speaker 3: that infinite field that Ramdas spoke of, where we were
[56:34] Speaker 3: all just walking each other home. So even in the game,
[56:38] Speaker 3: even in the strategy, you, Shannon Fairweather, can walk with grace.
[56:42] Speaker 1: You can play with love.
[56:43] Speaker 3: And if fear rises, and it will meet it as
[56:46] Speaker 3: a friend. Say to it, Ah, I see you, old companion.
[56:50] Speaker 1: You were here to remind me to trust again. Shannon.
[56:54] Speaker 1: Remember this. You were not here to be understood. You
[56:57] Speaker 1: are here to understand, and you were.
[56:59] Speaker 3: Not here here to be approved of. You are here
[57:02] Speaker 3: to awaken. And when you walk in that remembrance. No
[57:05] Speaker 3: one can touch the quiet piece that lives in your chest.
[57:08] Speaker 3: So go forth, daughter of light. Let your laughter be
[57:11] Speaker 3: a prayer, Let your stillness be your power. Play, play
[57:15] Speaker 3: your game, but keep your soul even in this wild
[57:18] Speaker 3: island of shifting alliances.
[57:20] Speaker 1: Love never leaves you.
[57:22] Speaker 3: For love is you?
[57:26] Speaker 4: Oh my God, Oh my God?
[57:30] Speaker 1: Is married to a therapist?
[57:32] Speaker 2: Might be?
[57:37] Speaker 1: Yeah, according to some people. My side Hurds by the
[57:40] Speaker 1: side Hurds went on for a while.
[57:46] Speaker 3: Yeah, I really, I really hope that Shannon listens to
[57:50] Speaker 3: this and gets encouragement from that, because Jonathan was very
[57:53] Speaker 3: mean to Shannon in the last episode of our podcast.
[57:56] Speaker 1: I can't help it that I've been reading the true
[57:59] Speaker 1: crime novel at the moment, So I'm just saying it
[58:03] Speaker 1: just leaked into the podcast.
[58:06] Speaker 4: What does Shannon have to do with true crime?
[58:09] Speaker 1: I look, I don't know if you've listened to the
[58:11] Speaker 1: last episode, but I was. I was reading I've been
[58:15] Speaker 1: reading a Charles Manson investor.
[58:18] Speaker 4: Charles. Yeah, I don't know that.
[58:20] Speaker 1: This is all I did was compare her to Charles Manson.
[58:25] Speaker 1: Is that too bad of a thing to do.
[58:28] Speaker 3: It's not a big deal, Mary, you don't have to
[58:30] Speaker 3: act like we know that now that we're not talking
[58:32] Speaker 3: about you every week, that you're not listening.
[58:35] Speaker 4: No, I actually I actually was. I actually was. I'll
[58:39] Speaker 4: pull pull up your about Look, look, I listen. I
[58:44] Speaker 4: listened up to the last eight minutes.
[58:46] Speaker 1: Wow, minutes probably all adds as this. You are a
[58:55] Speaker 1: Survivor player by far?
[58:56] Speaker 2: What what speed do you listen at?
[58:59] Speaker 8: One?
[59:00] Speaker 1: Three?
[59:00] Speaker 4: Oh? I know, cuckoo.
[59:04] Speaker 1: I'm might have to go back to Jeff and tell him,
[59:07] Speaker 1: you know, she listens on a one.
[59:09] Speaker 4: I listen on a one, dude. I don't know how
[59:10] Speaker 4: people listen on a three. I know sometimes I talk
[59:12] Speaker 4: like a three, but like, I don't know how people
[59:14] Speaker 4: do it. It's just very stressful.
[59:17] Speaker 1: Mary. Do you have a therapy session planned?
[59:20] Speaker 4: I do. It's not for a person on this season,
[59:24] Speaker 4: it's okay for a person on all the seasons.
[59:26] Speaker 1: Oh, let's hear it.
[59:28] Speaker 2: Oh so for Jeffrey props.
[59:31] Speaker 4: Could I give some background? Yeah? Okay, so it's it's
[59:35] Speaker 4: it's been heavy on my heart. Oh so okay. So
[59:40] Speaker 4: we were watching the episode, me and my boyfriend, and
[59:43] Speaker 4: I was like just talking smack about Jeff, and he's like,
[59:46] Speaker 4: do you like not like Jeff? And I was like
[59:48] Speaker 4: an annoying and he's like what happened? And I was like, well,
[59:52] Speaker 4: lots of things, but this one time at a tribal
[59:55] Speaker 4: council when it was like the mergatory, murgatory whatever people
[1:00:01] Speaker 4: call it. I started it off. He made me start
[1:00:04] Speaker 4: it off. He was like so merry, like how are
[1:00:07] Speaker 4: you feeling today back back at camp? And I was like, well, Jeff,
[1:00:12] Speaker 4: as they say on Love Island, my head's all scrambled.
[1:00:16] Speaker 4: And then he was like, shut up. We do not
[1:00:20] Speaker 4: need to hear about Love Island. What the fuck was that?
[1:00:24] Speaker 8: And then.
[1:00:27] Speaker 4: He said fuck in it? And I got scared.
[1:00:29] Speaker 8: I was like.
[1:00:31] Speaker 1: He didn't.
[1:00:32] Speaker 4: He didn't. He didn't say shut up. He probably didn't
[1:00:34] Speaker 4: say shut but that's what it felt for me, you know,
[1:00:36] Speaker 4: like emotionally my heart regis that. And I was like
[1:00:40] Speaker 4: what and I just kind of and everybody was like
[1:00:42] Speaker 4: staring at me, and I was like, oh my god,
[1:00:44] Speaker 4: what did I say? It was my pish accent that bad?
[1:00:49] Speaker 4: And then like and then he was like winning his
[1:00:52] Speaker 4: little rant and then he was like all right, now
[1:00:54] Speaker 4: try it again. And I was like, well, it's like
[1:00:57] Speaker 4: we're all at a dog park and snipping each other's
[1:00:59] Speaker 4: butts and then they use that, and then later on
[1:01:02] Speaker 4: I found out that it's because Love Island apparently like
[1:01:06] Speaker 4: bought out the Ponderosa or something from the year before.
[1:01:10] Speaker 4: Don't quote me. I don't know. I haven't looked it up,
[1:01:12] Speaker 4: but that's what people say. Yeah, and so I'm just
[1:01:16] Speaker 4: kind of like, well, you know, sue me for one
[1:01:18] Speaker 4: to do my British accent. I told my friends that
[1:01:20] Speaker 4: I would say that on national television. So my advice
[1:01:24] Speaker 4: for Jeff. You know, people have heard of this therapy
[1:01:27] Speaker 4: called DBT dialectical behavioral therapy. WHOA right. It's about it's about, like,
[1:01:32] Speaker 4: you know, making sure that you are aware that two
[1:01:35] Speaker 4: things can be true at the same time, and about
[1:01:38] Speaker 4: like mindfulness. I'm proposing a therapy not called DBT, but
[1:01:43] Speaker 4: called b DT big dig therapy where you start acting
[1:01:49] Speaker 4: like you have a big dig about it. It's your
[1:01:52] Speaker 4: fucking show and I'm here because I want to be
[1:01:55] Speaker 4: on the show. Can you at least pretend to have
[1:01:56] Speaker 4: a big dick about it? Sue me for watching another show.
[1:02:00] Speaker 4: I didn't know I was not allowed to have that
[1:02:02] Speaker 4: a CBS.
[1:02:02] Speaker 1: Show, isn't it. I don't Yeah, that's crazy dude.
[1:02:08] Speaker 4: But but my my advice is, you know, for just
[1:02:12] Speaker 4: and for everyone, is I want people to ask themselves
[1:02:16] Speaker 4: in any situation, how can I have a big dick
[1:02:19] Speaker 4: about this? And it's okay if you don't have the answer,
[1:02:24] Speaker 4: because what's important in life sometimes is that we ask
[1:02:27] Speaker 4: the right questions.
[1:02:28] Speaker 2: That's right.
[1:02:29] Speaker 4: Keep trying, keep trying, because I don't even have a
[1:02:32] Speaker 4: big dick, and I have a big dick about most
[1:02:33] Speaker 4: things exactly. So it's if I can do it, you
[1:02:37] Speaker 4: can do it.
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: Chase really needed this, jeff Sorry, I will say.
[1:02:42] Speaker 6: Mary, it's it is possible that Jeffrey has maybe he
[1:02:46] Speaker 6: already began doing the work there was. He's notoriously like
[1:02:51] Speaker 6: just hates other shows, I feel like, and it was
[1:02:54] Speaker 6: like very against other players going on other shows and
[1:02:58] Speaker 6: has sense kind of backed off of that opinion.
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: And perhaps this is different though.
[1:03:04] Speaker 3: This is like a bookang coming up on your territory,
[1:03:08] Speaker 3: buying out your land, and he's like, only one of
[1:03:11] Speaker 3: us can and that's what they do.
[1:03:14] Speaker 1: They buy it or they they buy the land. This
[1:03:17] Speaker 1: is like wants to sell coke in this area. He
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: doesn't want any other people coming in.
[1:03:22] Speaker 4: Okay, that's that's good perspective. That's good perspective. You know,
[1:03:25] Speaker 4: knock if you buck, if you when you put it
[1:03:27] Speaker 4: in that way, you got to defend your turf.
[1:03:29] Speaker 1: But you should.
[1:03:32] Speaker 3: Yeah, lash out when Mary wants to do her accent.
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, don't talk to Marry that way.
[1:03:36] Speaker 4: I just wanted to do a British accent.
[1:03:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, if you talked to Marry that way,
[1:03:40] Speaker 1: we're all for mad, which I know Jeff he does
[1:03:44] Speaker 1: not want the four of us mad. No, No, you
[1:03:47] Speaker 1: don't want the Yeah, the wrath of four white podcasters,
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: you do not.
[1:03:56] Speaker 2: That's true.
[1:03:56] Speaker 6: Where four, where two or more white podcasters are gathered,
[1:04:00] Speaker 6: look out, danger, lurk.
[1:04:02] Speaker 3: It's like a murder of crows, you know, hopefully, you know,
[1:04:05] Speaker 3: whenever we reach out to CBS and be like, hey,
[1:04:07] Speaker 3: can we have exit interviews, they don't listen to this one.
[1:04:10] Speaker 5: We don't want them, not after that, right, you know,
[1:04:15] Speaker 5: just just because of this, I might include Jeff in
[1:04:18] Speaker 5: my therapy before we get out of here.
[1:04:20] Speaker 2: Okay, because you forgot too, No.
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: I didn't forget. I have a whole thing. I have
[1:04:25] Speaker 1: a whole word for word what Mary said. I'd be
[1:04:28] Speaker 1: really fun. We're gonna know. Uh No, I had a
[1:04:31] Speaker 1: I had a thing. I was prepared. Guys, today I'm
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: gonna be talking to Detective Cigarette. I wish we had
[1:04:38] Speaker 1: our little just imagine it's there.
[1:04:39] Speaker 2: Imagine we'll fix it post.
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: I think I did.
[1:04:44] Speaker 5: I nailed it, Detective Cigarette. I know that it seems
[1:04:50] Speaker 5: like you are barely in the show right now. The
[1:04:53] Speaker 5: whole tight okay, because sure you've barely gotten any confessionals,
[1:04:58] Speaker 5: But you know what's better than talk active listening, and
[1:05:03] Speaker 5: you are so locked in with your listening that you
[1:05:06] Speaker 5: don't even need to be talking in confessionals. And that's
[1:05:08] Speaker 5: what's so great is that you have meta cognition, right,
[1:05:13] Speaker 5: you know that your thoughts have a direct result on
[1:05:16] Speaker 5: your own actions. And even though you are barely in
[1:05:19] Speaker 5: the show, I cannot stress that enough, the times which
[1:05:22] Speaker 5: you are on the show show congruence. Your thoughts meet
[1:05:27] Speaker 5: your actions, right. It's like when you spoke up and
[1:05:31] Speaker 5: told Jeff that this reward sucks. That is harmonious with
[1:05:35] Speaker 5: your thoughts, and I think that's great And let's not
[1:05:38] Speaker 5: get discouraged, Detective Cigarette. If you just think, if this
[1:05:42] Speaker 5: is what you think, if you think, because you're barely
[1:05:44] Speaker 5: in the show that it's because Jeff hates you for
[1:05:47] Speaker 5: speaking up about his reward. You can sigrette about it,
[1:05:50] Speaker 5: all right, let's not forget about it. I don't care
[1:05:53] Speaker 5: about Let's not forget Rachel, right, whose only moment pre
[1:05:58] Speaker 5: Merge involved a reward challenge, just like yours, Detective Sigarette.
[1:06:04] Speaker 5: Rachel tried to sneak some rice in her pocket, and
[1:06:07] Speaker 5: that made all of us notice her before she disappeared
[1:06:10] Speaker 5: for episodes and episodes at a time. And at your
[1:06:13] Speaker 5: reward challenge, Siggrette, when you spoke out about the fruit,
[1:06:16] Speaker 5: this is your big moment, and after Merge, you will
[1:06:19] Speaker 5: rise up from the flames of non.
[1:06:20] Speaker 1: Confessionals and you will win this season. Thank you. She's
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: on the case. Wow.
[1:06:27] Speaker 3: So you're saying Jeff needs to have a big dick
[1:06:29] Speaker 3: about the fruit and not purple.
[1:06:31] Speaker 4: I think exactly exactly. He's got to have a big
[1:06:34] Speaker 4: dick about the fruit.
[1:06:34] Speaker 6: Can you imagine that, Mary, Like when you get there's
[1:06:38] Speaker 6: fruit in front of you and just being like that's
[1:06:40] Speaker 6: for snacking.
[1:06:41] Speaker 1: I die.
[1:06:44] Speaker 4: I will say, I mean, she's not wrong. Two things
[1:06:46] Speaker 4: can be true at the same time. Right, she's not wrong.
[1:06:49] Speaker 4: And also I was fucking lit for the fruit. Them
[1:06:54] Speaker 4: were the fucking juiciest fruit that I've ever had, the watermelon,
[1:06:58] Speaker 4: the banana. Yeah, it was delicious, and I don't think
[1:07:01] Speaker 4: anything really topped it after that, because I it was
[1:07:05] Speaker 4: like it was like the wanting the food for so
[1:07:08] Speaker 4: long and finally getting it. It was delicious, So I.
[1:07:12] Speaker 5: Didn't mean to go she enjoyed it on Jeff, But
[1:07:16] Speaker 5: after hearing what he did to Mary, I got very
[1:07:18] Speaker 5: upset with Jeff.
[1:07:19] Speaker 1: I went a little too hard in the paint. I apologize, Jeff,
[1:07:22] Speaker 1: I apologize. I know he listened.
[1:07:24] Speaker 4: Look, he's trying to. He's trying to.
[1:07:29] Speaker 1: We love CBS, We appreciate CBS did a we actually
[1:07:36] Speaker 1: worshiped ces.
[1:07:38] Speaker 4: Jeff, you're the man.
[1:07:40] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Please don't pull the trigger anyway.
[1:07:46] Speaker 2: Wait which trigger?
[1:07:47] Speaker 6: Yeah?
[1:07:48] Speaker 1: Wait, I don't know. He just needs to have a
[1:07:51] Speaker 1: big dick about it. Yeah.
[1:07:54] Speaker 3: I wish we could title the episode that, but I
[1:07:56] Speaker 3: think have a big dick about it featuring Mary, Mary,
[1:08:01] Speaker 3: it'd be a weird title.
[1:08:04] Speaker 1: Wait, no, it actually has to have Jeff's name as well.
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: That's the thing, you know, like.
[1:08:12] Speaker 4: The correction.
[1:08:14] Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, don't have a big
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: dick about it Jeff Broke featuring teaching. Actually it says said, bye, yeah.
[1:08:27] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's gonna be I trust you guys will come
[1:08:30] Speaker 4: up with something better.
[1:08:32] Speaker 1: Don't put that look. For the past two weeks they've
[1:08:36] Speaker 1: titled it something I've said, so just saying it may
[1:08:39] Speaker 1: still be what I just said. Yeah, it's going to
[1:08:41] Speaker 1: be my wife. It's a therapist, That's what it's gonna be.
[1:08:46] Speaker 3: Does anybody else have any more therapy sessions they want
[1:08:49] Speaker 3: to give out? Or we wrapping this thing up?
[1:08:52] Speaker 4: I do want to say at first, when I glanced
[1:08:54] Speaker 4: at the episode title, the title episode of the last episode,
[1:08:59] Speaker 4: where I thought it said Charles Mansion, and I was like,
[1:09:02] Speaker 4: it's Charles Manson. Did did Chase title us? Because I
[1:09:06] Speaker 4: know he doesn't know a lot about history? Yeah?
[1:09:10] Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, and Chase I would be like, actually
[1:09:15] Speaker 1: it's Charles Manson and he was. He would be like
[1:09:17] Speaker 1: he was a cop, right, And I'm like, well no,
[1:09:19] Speaker 1: but cops were involved. Like making fun of Chase. Making
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: fun of Chase is the best way to end this.
[1:09:25] Speaker 3: Mary, thank you so much, uh not only for coming
[1:09:28] Speaker 3: on the show, but for participating last year so much,
[1:09:32] Speaker 3: sending in bits and doing stuff and leaving a review
[1:09:36] Speaker 3: on Apple Podcasts, and I would see like, I would
[1:09:39] Speaker 3: see you like on Reddit threads of like what's your podcast?
[1:09:42] Speaker 4: I The love is real, guys, the love is real.
[1:09:45] Speaker 4: Sometimes we feel it real. But the love is the
[1:09:46] Speaker 4: shade is the shade is joke. The love is real.
[1:09:49] Speaker 1: Even if the shade was real, we would we would
[1:09:52] Speaker 1: take the shade at this.
[1:09:54] Speaker 4: Point with the love, take the sho take the shade
[1:09:57] Speaker 4: with the love.
[1:09:57] Speaker 1: And that's right. We're trying, you know.
[1:10:02] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what it's all about.
[1:10:04] Speaker 1: Making the Merge podcast.
[1:10:07] Speaker 4: Should stop listen to ads for the next twenty minutes. Hey, hey,
[1:10:14] Speaker 4: I don't even know if you're still listening, but if
[1:10:16] Speaker 4: you're still listening.
[1:10:18] Speaker 3: The stop listening. That's what brand says. Yeah, let's ask
[1:10:21] Speaker 3: some money now.
[1:10:23] Speaker 2: It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter if.
[1:10:25] Speaker 4: The commercials and are annoying. Yeah, why don't Why don't
[1:10:29] Speaker 4: all people do that?
[1:10:31] Speaker 1: You're about to hear some ads that helped keep the
[1:10:33] Speaker 1: lights on here in the old studio.
[1:10:36] Speaker 2: Thanks for listening or don't listen.
[1:10:39] Speaker 1: It's really up to you.
[1:10:40] Speaker 2: At this point is at the end of the show.
[1:10:42] Speaker 2: I mean, you're listening to me hi, but here they come.
[1:10:46] Speaker 2: I promised they're coming. Yep, here they are. Happy Day.

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