# Project 100 - Getting Started

An episode of [Project 100 with Mark Bouris](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1767053714), 8 Sep 2024, 1 h 15 min.

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All content and media by Project 100 is created and published online for informational purposes only. It is not intended to be a substitute for professional medical advice and should not be relied on as health or personal advice. *** Before we start talking to the experts, I wanted to introduce you to the Project 100 team. This is a long-term project for me, so I’ve made sure to bring in people from different generations to be part of the journey. I want this to be something that resonates and adds value for everyone, no matter their age. We covered a lot – why I’m taking on Project 100, our personal health journeys, the misinformation around longevity on social media, the rising trend of focusing on health, what my team wants to get out of this, the financial realities of living longer, and much more. The next episode with our first expert will be out soon. Follow Project 100 on Instagram. Follow Mark Bouris on Instagram, LinkedIn, Twitter & YouTube. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Rolling first episode. Woh everyone, how a you going.
[0:05] Speaker 2: Good?
[0:06] Speaker 1: To be all black? It's just like like dipping. I
[0:11] Speaker 1: thought it might be sort of dip in your capture,
[0:14] Speaker 1: you know, the way I like to dress all the time.
[0:17] Speaker 3: I think I personally modeled myself on your mate. So
[0:19] Speaker 3: I don't actually dress like you, but it seems like
[0:21] Speaker 3: I have today.
[0:23] Speaker 2: And I model myself on Nick.
[0:24] Speaker 1: So well, well, let's just introduce everybody around the room,
[0:30] Speaker 1: because you know, anyone's watching this doesn't know who's who
[0:32] Speaker 1: in the zoo. So let's start right over there with you. Jonah.
[0:36] Speaker 4: Yeah, my name's Jonah.
[0:37] Speaker 1: What do I say? Well, what do you do?
[0:40] Speaker 5: Well?
[0:40] Speaker 4: I do head of production here at Mentor and straight
[0:43] Speaker 4: Talk and straight Talk. Yeah, yeah, we look after it.
[0:45] Speaker 1: And you're a very young guy. Yeah, I'm twenty two
[0:47] Speaker 1: years old, two and a gun. Yeah, responsible for all
[0:53] Speaker 1: the unbelievable promos and all the video and all the editing.
[0:57] Speaker 1: It kills it and you know, like day we're going
[1:00] Speaker 1: to sort of we're talking about PROJE one hundred. This
[1:02] Speaker 1: is the Project one hundred team, by the way, So
[1:03] Speaker 1: who's next you be introduce yourself, mister Morgan.
[1:06] Speaker 6: Thanks for the intro and be. I'm head of Content
[1:09] Speaker 6: of Mental Studios. I look after the creative and social
[1:12] Speaker 6: aspects of all the content that we churn out here,
[1:15] Speaker 6: and then also organizing all the guests and facilitate, and
[1:19] Speaker 6: you get all the fun people on the podcast.
[1:21] Speaker 1: You're the dude reaching out to everybody and getting the rejections. Well,
[1:26] Speaker 1: by the way, everywhere, that is me. Actually the titles
[1:28] Speaker 1: turn so when the dam goes out in my name,
[1:30] Speaker 1: that's me. That's really me, written by him his podcasts
[1:36] Speaker 1: get Maddie new to the team. So Maddie, you're our
[1:40] Speaker 1: resident science researcher, and talk about yourself just a little
[1:45] Speaker 1: bit like tell us. By the way, you've got to
[1:47] Speaker 1: get the you didn't get the memo about the dress sense,
[1:49] Speaker 1: but don't worry.
[1:50] Speaker 7: Definitely the flying the ointment today, but that's all right.
[1:52] Speaker 8: I'll ride with it. So I'm Maddie Massey.
[1:55] Speaker 7: I'm a scientist turned science communicator, and I'm the self
[1:58] Speaker 7: appointed brains behind the whole operation.
[2:01] Speaker 1: I would say, so if any goes wrong, blame it
[2:04] Speaker 1: on Earth him my boys. But I'm going to go
[2:08] Speaker 1: over to fourder.
[2:10] Speaker 3: Yes, Mative Mark. We've worked together for about fifteen plus
[2:15] Speaker 3: years in a managing Mark in his career, and I
[2:19] Speaker 3: was hard with it. No, no, man, it's been an
[2:22] Speaker 3: absolute pleasure. It's been an honor to work with.
[2:23] Speaker 1: It a breeze.
[2:24] Speaker 9: It was easy.
[2:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's very easy. Never really any challenge. We never
[2:28] Speaker 1: any Ray Donovan moments.
[2:29] Speaker 9: No, no, no, I didn't have to clean anyone.
[2:32] Speaker 1: No no, no, no, not eliminate anyone.
[2:34] Speaker 9: Nothing we can talk about today.
[2:36] Speaker 3: But no, We've obviously had a working relationship and a
[2:39] Speaker 3: partner in the business, and it's expanded into podcasts. We
[2:42] Speaker 3: only we started this podcast down the road under the
[2:45] Speaker 3: Coke sign King's Cross.
[2:48] Speaker 9: I don't know it was it twelve years ago or
[2:49] Speaker 9: something like that.
[2:50] Speaker 1: It was a long time.
[2:51] Speaker 2: I was.
[2:51] Speaker 1: It was those days. I used to turn up to
[2:53] Speaker 1: the podcast a pair of shaws and T shirt.
[2:55] Speaker 3: And how we've gon We've got our own studio now,
[2:57] Speaker 3: an incredible team and yeah, so we're we're colleagues and
[3:02] Speaker 3: we're business partners, and we're mates as well. And I've
[3:05] Speaker 3: got a strong interest in this of understanding more about it.
[3:09] Speaker 3: I'm forty five and I want to live on a
[3:11] Speaker 3: hundred as well, you know, So it's going to be
[3:13] Speaker 3: interesting to go through this process. And understand more and
[3:17] Speaker 3: help Mattie cut through the bullshit that seems to be
[3:20] Speaker 3: very confusing for a lot of people out there.
[3:23] Speaker 2: And to your right, Max, Hello, I'm Max.
[3:27] Speaker 5: I work alongside Nick and also very closely with Jadah
[3:31] Speaker 5: and Sam in the mentored business.
[3:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, working with Nick for five years, four years.
[3:38] Speaker 5: And yeah, Mark was actually I think the first client
[3:41] Speaker 5: you put me onto, which was obviously throwing me very
[3:43] Speaker 5: heavily in the defense, but that's all right.
[3:46] Speaker 2: And yeah, working closely with Mark for the last four years.
[3:48] Speaker 5: So yeah, been pestering in most days with calls and
[3:52] Speaker 5: texts and don't get really to get a response, but
[3:54] Speaker 5: keen to get Thank God for Cassie.
[4:00] Speaker 1: We should have got cass in. But yeah, and we've
[4:03] Speaker 1: got one other member, cass who's not here today. Thanks
[4:06] Speaker 1: very much, Max. So thanks guys. It's well, this is
[4:09] Speaker 1: pretty unusual, like we're not going to do every episode
[4:12] Speaker 1: like this, but we decided to make this the first
[4:15] Speaker 1: episode just to introduce everybody because I think it's important
[4:19] Speaker 1: to talk about the team. Who the team is. The
[4:24] Speaker 1: way all the responsibility is not going to fall on
[4:26] Speaker 1: me if something goes wrong. You now know who they are,
[4:30] Speaker 1: and no but it's important to know that there's a
[4:32] Speaker 1: team behind this, and what we're going to do is,
[4:36] Speaker 1: you know, through the various members of the team, reach
[4:37] Speaker 1: out to various people out there where we can, like
[4:40] Speaker 1: influencers and scientists and specialists and experts in all the
[4:46] Speaker 1: areas we're going to touch on. And that's pretty important
[4:50] Speaker 1: to us, Like when none of us are doctors, none
[4:54] Speaker 1: of us are medical practitioners. We're just normal people, all
[4:59] Speaker 1: of us. And I guess our goal is to try
[5:03] Speaker 1: and normalize this complex, this complex concept of longevity, which
[5:12] Speaker 1: I guess we should talk about what we all thinks, lifespan,
[5:17] Speaker 1: health spans, that type of thing and try and normalize it.
[5:20] Speaker 1: What I mean by normalize that sort of democratize it,
[5:23] Speaker 1: make it available in terms of content to least every
[5:27] Speaker 1: Australian And that's not going to be an easy task,
[5:33] Speaker 1: but it's confusing, it's complicated, but it's a really important goal,
[5:39] Speaker 1: I think, for everybody. And I don't mean it in
[5:42] Speaker 1: a sense of vanity or greediness in terms of time
[5:48] Speaker 1: and the planet or that type of thing, but it's
[5:51] Speaker 1: probably important that we all at least know what we're
[5:53] Speaker 1: up for and maybe find out a few ways that
[5:56] Speaker 1: we can navigate way round what we're up for, So maybe.
[6:00] Speaker 3: You should start off on I was actually going to
[6:03] Speaker 3: say one of the reasons of doing this catch up today,
[6:08] Speaker 3: when we've been planning this series and this obviously so
[6:12] Speaker 3: much to cover. We were planning on just jumping straight
[6:14] Speaker 3: into the series and covering sleep and nutrition and different things,
[6:18] Speaker 3: but we put a brakes on that as well. While
[6:20] Speaker 3: we're getting all that sorted and got Maddie on board
[6:23] Speaker 3: as well, I wanted to highlight that, you know, this
[6:27] Speaker 3: is not something you've thought of and thought, oh, I'm
[6:29] Speaker 3: going to start to live like this. I've known you
[6:31] Speaker 3: a long time and I've always been inspired to go.
[6:35] Speaker 3: You're incredibly good shape. You know, you're incredibly successful at
[6:38] Speaker 3: what you do professionally, and at the mix of those things,
[6:42] Speaker 3: you know, a magic formula in terms of you've been
[6:46] Speaker 3: doing this and whether you haven't been aware of you've
[6:49] Speaker 3: been doing it, like, but just having a healthy lifestyle
[6:51] Speaker 3: and being you know, incredibly active in terms of looking
[6:54] Speaker 3: after yourself and training and boxing and those types of things.
[6:58] Speaker 3: So I wanted to sort of make sure that we
[7:01] Speaker 3: don't just jump straight into the series, but sort of
[7:03] Speaker 3: tap into you as well, because you're the guinea pig
[7:05] Speaker 3: in this. You know, they're going to be plugging and
[7:07] Speaker 3: plugging you up with things and ab and die during
[7:10] Speaker 3: the series and ice baths and everything, you know. But
[7:14] Speaker 3: I just wanted to that's why having this discussion. You know,
[7:17] Speaker 3: it's like, where do we start with this? You know,
[7:19] Speaker 3: And that's why, that's why I thought a great opportunity
[7:24] Speaker 3: for all of us to get together and have this discussion,
[7:26] Speaker 3: because before we just start talking new experts, you.
[7:30] Speaker 9: Know, I want to ask you the question why are
[7:32] Speaker 9: we doing this? Why? What? What's your why with this?
[7:36] Speaker 1: Well, it's a good question, and I keep sort of
[7:39] Speaker 1: thinking it over and over again, and I'm sort of
[7:41] Speaker 1: refining it a lot. And maybe if you ask me
[7:45] Speaker 1: at the end of the series, and I don't know
[7:47] Speaker 1: when the series is going to end, maybe after thirty years.
[7:51] Speaker 1: Hopefully we're doing this for the next thirty years and
[7:55] Speaker 1: be interesting to look at me, look back in thirty
[7:57] Speaker 1: years time on me now, look at myself now, and
[8:00] Speaker 1: look at myself at thirty time. But while we're doing this,
[8:04] Speaker 1: one I think needs to be done. I think that's
[8:06] Speaker 1: an important thing. And I'm the self appointed person to
[8:11] Speaker 1: do it like at the moment, like everyone who's doing
[8:15] Speaker 1: this is you know, we all listen to Whoman and
[8:17] Speaker 1: a Tear and also Simon Hill up there in Byron,
[8:21] Speaker 1: who's got a really big following, and there's lots of others.
[8:25] Speaker 1: But they're all technicians. They all speak in quite dense terms,
[8:32] Speaker 1: and it's not real plain English. You can easily get
[8:35] Speaker 1: lost in what they're talking about, easily get confused about
[8:41] Speaker 1: all types of topics. And sometimes I find myself left
[8:45] Speaker 1: more confused after listening to something if I can remember
[8:49] Speaker 1: what they said literally the next day more confused. So
[8:53] Speaker 1: I thought, I wonder maybe I could just try and
[8:57] Speaker 1: unpick this a little bit. That's one that's why we
[9:00] Speaker 1: I want to do the show hopefully successfully. But why
[9:04] Speaker 1: am I doing it personally? Well, my dad passed away
[9:10] Speaker 1: this year and he was nearly ninety. He was a
[9:12] Speaker 1: whisker way of ninety, always really healthy his whole life.
[9:17] Speaker 1: And I used to go and see my dad every Saturday,
[9:21] Speaker 1: and on a Saturday, I would always talk stories. He
[9:25] Speaker 1: tell me stories about where he came from and in
[9:27] Speaker 1: Greece and stuff and what I was like. And I
[9:31] Speaker 1: used to love of observing him as for me as
[9:35] Speaker 1: an iconic person to sort of try and emulate in
[9:38] Speaker 1: my life copy. And one of the things that I
[9:42] Speaker 1: noticed used to give him a great deal of joy
[9:45] Speaker 1: and sort of peacefulness in a healthy way, was seeing
[9:51] Speaker 1: me there with any one of my sons and with
[9:57] Speaker 1: any one of their sons. So four generations of rus boys.
[10:00] Speaker 1: We don't have any girls. We're all boys, sons and grandsons.
[10:06] Speaker 1: So and I thought I'd like to be able to
[10:09] Speaker 1: do that one day in my life. So I quickly
[10:11] Speaker 1: calculated because everything in my life started later than my
[10:15] Speaker 1: dad's life. So my dad had me when he was
[10:18] Speaker 1: twenty two or something, and then I had kids pretty young,
[10:24] Speaker 1: my first on when I was twenty five, and so
[10:29] Speaker 1: Dad got to enjoy that process pretty early. So I
[10:35] Speaker 1: calculated how old I have to be to emulate him
[10:39] Speaker 1: to copy that or to get that sensation that he's
[10:41] Speaker 1: current he was getting. I worked out have to be
[10:44] Speaker 1: one hundred and then I also read the book called
[10:47] Speaker 1: four thousand Weeks, which is, you know, according to b
[10:50] Speaker 1: to two, his favorite book, and I realized I've only
[10:53] Speaker 1: got like six hundred of weeks ago based on that
[10:56] Speaker 1: book or based on general statistical death rates in the world,
[11:03] Speaker 1: particularly here in Australia for males. So I got to
[11:06] Speaker 1: sort of try and buy myself twenty more weeks, twenty
[11:08] Speaker 1: more years, it's just another thousand weeks. So I thought,
[11:13] Speaker 1: how am I going to do that? So I got
[11:14] Speaker 1: started getting involved and listening to Peter Tear and doing
[11:17] Speaker 1: all this sort of research, and so thought, well, what's
[11:20] Speaker 1: a better way of doing that is actually to expose
[11:22] Speaker 1: myself to it. And if I put myself in the podcast,
[11:25] Speaker 1: I've got nowhere to hide.
[11:27] Speaker 3: So making longevity accessible for everyone and staying a life.
[11:31] Speaker 1: That's it, and optimizing the way you enjoy it. Because
[11:35] Speaker 1: my man lived a really healthy life up right up
[11:37] Speaker 1: into like a month before he died. Never suffered. You
[11:41] Speaker 1: had a little bits of bees going on, but pretty
[11:43] Speaker 1: much it was always in good shape. You didn't spend
[11:45] Speaker 1: the last ten years, like you know, on a respirator
[11:47] Speaker 1: or something like. You didn't you got a cancer, but
[11:50] Speaker 1: he didn't suffer for years und kumather therapy anying like that.
[11:53] Speaker 1: So and you know what that's like because your dad suffered.
[11:55] Speaker 3: Yeah, my dad passed away, And another reason for me
[11:59] Speaker 3: so inch to do this and on my own health journey.
[12:02] Speaker 3: My dad passed away from cancer five years ago this November,
[12:06] Speaker 3: at seventy five years of age, and I'd worked with him,
[12:10] Speaker 3: very close to him. He was my I worked with
[12:12] Speaker 3: him every day for twenty five years. And you know
[12:17] Speaker 3: that was for me, you know, a thing as well going.
[12:20] Speaker 9: I don't want to die.
[12:22] Speaker 3: I would have loved my dad to be around for
[12:23] Speaker 3: another twenty years, you know, even ten years, five years,
[12:26] Speaker 3: So that sort of kicked me into gear as well
[12:29] Speaker 3: to get my shit together.
[12:31] Speaker 1: It's just sort of it's interesting, and it's like being
[12:33] Speaker 1: a bit selfish. You guys are younger, so you know,
[12:38] Speaker 1: I guess you're not worried about not living past eighty one.
[12:43] Speaker 1: You're probably, but you might be thinking about your your parents,
[12:46] Speaker 1: or somebody else in your life, like some loved person
[12:48] Speaker 1: in your life. And a lot of this is selfishness,
[12:51] Speaker 1: and I really there's nothing wrong with it, Like why
[12:54] Speaker 1: not be selfish about at least enjoying your life?
[12:57] Speaker 7: Selfish mark because if you're living a health for your
[13:00] Speaker 7: life for longer, it means you don't have a burden
[13:02] Speaker 7: placed on your family to look after you.
[13:04] Speaker 1: And that's a good point too, that's a very good point.
[13:07] Speaker 1: Particularly like things like dementia, which is you know better
[13:11] Speaker 1: it is. And by the way, I'm going to borrow
[13:13] Speaker 1: from all these guys all the time, I'm, you know,
[13:16] Speaker 1: one of the four horsemen what he calls for horsemen.
[13:17] Speaker 1: Dementia's you know, one of the degenerative diseases which people
[13:21] Speaker 1: can die from or do die from. And like you know,
[13:24] Speaker 1: if you're a kid, you know your age, looking after
[13:28] Speaker 1: someone who's got dementia, it's not just the physical burden,
[13:31] Speaker 1: but you know, like it's debilitating because they don't know
[13:35] Speaker 1: who you are. They might get upset or angry. There's
[13:39] Speaker 1: reasons why, you know, you want them to live optimization better, longer.
[13:46] Speaker 1: And the question then is or how do we detect dementia?
[13:50] Speaker 1: What point do we detect dementia? And obviously, like everything,
[13:54] Speaker 1: the earlier you get to these things, the longer the
[13:58] Speaker 1: length of period of time that they can stay let's
[14:01] Speaker 1: call it normal, before they get into that sort of
[14:03] Speaker 1: degenerative degenerative period that were they're really neuro degenerated and
[14:09] Speaker 1: they actually don't know what they'll they're doing. So maybe
[14:13] Speaker 1: good starters, what do we move a longevity I was
[14:15] Speaker 1: going to.
[14:16] Speaker 3: Answer a question Maddie, you've been the resident brains Trust
[14:19] Speaker 3: Scientific brain Trust. I was going to ask you, like,
[14:22] Speaker 3: longevity is such an it sort of word at the moment,
[14:26] Speaker 3: and there's so much in just my Instagram, maybe because
[14:29] Speaker 3: i'm you know, the stuff that I follow a look up.
[14:31] Speaker 3: But when you just get served so much, so much
[14:34] Speaker 3: stuff these days in a nutshell, can you give us
[14:37] Speaker 3: the sort of what's your thoughts on longevity of what
[14:40] Speaker 3: you know through your studies, but what you're seeing out
[14:43] Speaker 3: there and how much stuff, how much misinformation is actually
[14:46] Speaker 3: really out there.
[14:47] Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a good question.
[14:49] Speaker 7: Well, I think almost everyone is afraid of dying, or,
[14:53] Speaker 7: to be more accurate, afraid of getting old and getting sick.
[14:57] Speaker 7: And the more interest there is on a topic, the
[14:59] Speaker 7: more noise there is, the more people there are coming
[15:01] Speaker 7: out who are offering recommendations and solutions, some of which
[15:05] Speaker 7: are scientifically based and some of which are not and
[15:08] Speaker 7: may even be detrimental to you. So I think this
[15:11] Speaker 7: is one of the most contentious areas and one of
[15:14] Speaker 7: the areas that people try to monetize the most. So
[15:17] Speaker 7: that means that there are a lot of experts out there.
[15:21] Speaker 7: I have inverted commas by the way when I say that,
[15:24] Speaker 7: who are trying to sell you an idea, a product,
[15:27] Speaker 7: a solution, a silver bullet that's just going to change
[15:30] Speaker 7: your life and rescue you. And I think it's really
[15:34] Speaker 7: important that we're doing this now to actually go straight
[15:38] Speaker 7: to people who are doing research in these areas and
[15:41] Speaker 7: to take what they know and distill that into something
[15:44] Speaker 7: that actually makes sense and actually matters, and sort of
[15:47] Speaker 7: get away from all of the crowded messages that are
[15:50] Speaker 7: going on because it is I would say, I came
[15:54] Speaker 7: from cancer research that was an incredibly crowded area with
[15:58] Speaker 7: a lot of different cures and solutions and things like that.
[16:01] Speaker 7: But longevity may be even worse.
[16:04] Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean it because I still want to
[16:06] Speaker 1: try all the ship I want you to.
[16:09] Speaker 9: I'm so excited because.
[16:11] Speaker 1: You know, like because I ring is cool, fun too,
[16:14] Speaker 1: Like I mean, I actually was on to some creating
[16:16] Speaker 1: jelly what do you call him? You know, the creating
[16:19] Speaker 1: and the jelly jelly. There's all these gummy sets.
[16:24] Speaker 2: It.
[16:24] Speaker 8: Yeah, whenever something's in a gummy I just go.
[16:28] Speaker 1: But I'm just trying to work out whether it doesn't
[16:30] Speaker 1: doesn't inform me like someone who's been you know, hit
[16:34] Speaker 1: in the head a lot in my life. You know,
[16:38] Speaker 1: creating is an important thing to start to look at.
[16:40] Speaker 1: And and I just find creating in the creating him
[16:44] Speaker 1: on the hydrien and a drink is it just tastes dreadful.
[16:47] Speaker 1: It's hard to drink, you know, and the gummies are
[16:49] Speaker 1: pretty easy to eat. They're probably will bullshit anyway. But
[16:51] Speaker 1: I'm just but I I could getting sent this stuff.
[16:54] Speaker 1: I don't even buy. It just turns up because because
[16:56] Speaker 1: you guys put the post out your mind.
[16:58] Speaker 2: As well, stacks at the back as well.
[17:01] Speaker 1: More stuff, stuff arriving all the time. And by the way,
[17:03] Speaker 1: keep bringing in because we will try it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no,
[17:05] Speaker 1: we're going to try all these weird shit and you know,
[17:09] Speaker 1: and also we're going to try stuff that has more
[17:12] Speaker 1: scientific basis or at least some of that analysis.
[17:16] Speaker 3: On just on that none of these products existed like
[17:20] Speaker 3: five years ago in terms of yes, there's always been
[17:23] Speaker 3: supplements and you know, vitamin extracts and those types of
[17:26] Speaker 3: things around, but all these products when you actually think about,
[17:30] Speaker 3: you know, how the market even just looking at things
[17:32] Speaker 3: these days like hydrations become a big thing. It's like
[17:35] Speaker 3: all of a sudden, five thousand new literally new brands
[17:39] Speaker 3: pop up over three months.
[17:41] Speaker 2: You know, I feel like you need it like I
[17:43] Speaker 2: need to be.
[17:44] Speaker 8: It's like, oh wow, water new thing.
[17:48] Speaker 2: I don't say as well, it's interesting with the dynamic
[17:50] Speaker 2: that we have.
[17:51] Speaker 5: Like obviously back to what you two were talking about
[17:53] Speaker 5: in terms of your why, I'm not sure what you Jonah,
[17:57] Speaker 5: Sam and Maddie like my breeze for being so involved
[18:01] Speaker 5: and an interest in this space is more so around
[18:03] Speaker 5: like quality of life rather than actually living longer, because
[18:08] Speaker 5: I'm kind of not at that stage in your life.
[18:10] Speaker 5: You have to think that way, so I don't know,
[18:12] Speaker 5: it's kind of as much as it is you're still
[18:14] Speaker 5: thinking about that sort of thing, it's more like the
[18:16] Speaker 5: actual wellbeing aspect of these practices that were going to
[18:20] Speaker 5: delve into.
[18:21] Speaker 1: And why why? I mean like when I was your age,
[18:24] Speaker 1: I was out destroying myself. Why do you not? I
[18:28] Speaker 1: mean you maybe reserve that for every now and then,
[18:31] Speaker 1: still able to make any admissions. I know your mum
[18:34] Speaker 1: and daddy watching this mouth, But why is a generation
[18:40] Speaker 1: people like yourselves actually more interested or at least equally
[18:44] Speaker 1: interested now and not looking forward to the big night
[18:47] Speaker 1: and Friday night and go on mental and sort of
[18:50] Speaker 1: become really acutely interested in quality of life.
[18:54] Speaker 9: Good question.
[18:54] Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I feel like it's more like one, you
[18:58] Speaker 5: feel great doing all these sorts of things, and whether
[19:00] Speaker 5: it's going to the gym or running or saunas and
[19:03] Speaker 5: all that kind of stuff obviously has mental benefits to it.
[19:07] Speaker 2: But like even just with like work, Like I don't know.
[19:10] Speaker 5: How someone would go out and have like multiple days
[19:13] Speaker 5: drinking and then show up to work on Monday and
[19:16] Speaker 5: be fine. Like you kind of need to have a balance,
[19:19] Speaker 5: and that's a major thing for me. Like it's obviously
[19:21] Speaker 5: here and there you'll have big celebrations or whatever it is,
[19:24] Speaker 5: but like having a general like training five six times
[19:28] Speaker 5: a week, doing all those sorts of things like sauna's
[19:31] Speaker 5: ice bats, getting eight hours sleep, like it's kind of
[19:33] Speaker 5: like a necessity to perform in business as well.
[19:37] Speaker 4: You guys will I will add to that, like Sam
[19:40] Speaker 4: and I have you know, come in on Monday and well,
[19:43] Speaker 4: how is your weekend? And we notice a visible difference
[19:47] Speaker 4: just let alone in productivity, but also just mental focus
[19:50] Speaker 4: on the difference between like if we have a weekend
[19:52] Speaker 4: where it's less sleep or more drinking. Yeah, normally we
[19:55] Speaker 4: have a big week coming up, We're like, no, no drinking,
[19:58] Speaker 4: get good sleep, because you definitely feel it like Wednesday Tuesday,
[20:02] Speaker 4: you're just worn out already.
[20:03] Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think another component is you probably
[20:05] Speaker 6: got to put Rogan in there. Joe Rogan, I think
[20:08] Speaker 6: he's had a big think he's kind of made.
[20:10] Speaker 1: Health longevity cool. Before that.
[20:12] Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm sure our age was kind of being like
[20:14] Speaker 6: a rock star, being a party guy.
[20:15] Speaker 9: That was kind of the cool thing.
[20:17] Speaker 6: But I think Joe Rogan, I don't know, it's a
[20:19] Speaker 6: lot of power to put on him, but he was
[20:21] Speaker 6: kind of a part of a new shift where looking
[20:23] Speaker 6: after yourself, being healthy was kind of the cool thing
[20:26] Speaker 6: to do.
[20:27] Speaker 9: Being productive, it's become.
[20:29] Speaker 3: I think I've got in my team in my business,
[20:32] Speaker 3: which Max leads, all in their twenties and all really
[20:36] Speaker 3: health focused or really good at what they do. As
[20:40] Speaker 3: you say, like when you were in your twenties, I
[20:42] Speaker 3: was the same. It was a completely different era, you know,
[20:46] Speaker 3: and you could like there was lots of drinking and
[20:49] Speaker 3: drugs and all sorts of stuff, but that's what everyone
[20:52] Speaker 3: was doing, you know, back in the early two thousands.
[20:54] Speaker 3: I remember the year two thousand, the front page of
[20:57] Speaker 3: the Sunday Telegraph was Ecstasy Saves New So it's like,
[21:01] Speaker 3: because they used to all these fights around and everyone
[21:05] Speaker 3: was on extasy in the year two thousand and it's
[21:07] Speaker 3: like there was like three arrests, you know, So there
[21:10] Speaker 3: was an era there, but I think we've now gone
[21:12] Speaker 3: to this era where young people don't go out. It's
[21:15] Speaker 3: so expensive for young people to go out on a
[21:16] Speaker 3: Friday night and get on the piss at thirteen bucks
[21:19] Speaker 3: of beer or something.
[21:20] Speaker 9: Yeah, we used to go to the Partners two bucks
[21:23] Speaker 9: of beer.
[21:23] Speaker 3: You take twenty bucks, you have ten beers.
[21:26] Speaker 2: But that's like like even BONDI.
[21:27] Speaker 5: Nowadays you go past at six thirty pm and it's empty,
[21:32] Speaker 5: and then you get past six thirty am, it's heaving.
[21:34] Speaker 9: There's no nightgloves anymore.
[21:35] Speaker 3: There's saunas and cold blinders, and so it's become this
[21:38] Speaker 3: whole shift in society. And the positive thing is like
[21:41] Speaker 3: when everyone around you is healthy and then you're not,
[21:44] Speaker 3: and you you're you're not looking after yourself, well you're
[21:46] Speaker 3: then the odd one out, you know. And I used
[21:49] Speaker 3: to the other way around, like anyone really healthy that
[21:51] Speaker 3: wasn't parting was probably the odd one out.
[21:53] Speaker 9: So there's been a massive shift.
[21:55] Speaker 3: I think, you know, the world's so fast these days,
[21:58] Speaker 3: like you, you just can't be lagging, you know, and
[22:01] Speaker 3: competitive as well, you know. So I've seen a shift
[22:05] Speaker 3: in just working with a young group in all in
[22:07] Speaker 3: their twenties, but you know, very different to the group
[22:11] Speaker 3: of people I was around in my twenties.
[22:13] Speaker 1: Because this originally started we're going to talk to people
[22:16] Speaker 1: over fifty a sort of morphed a fair bit, I reckon,
[22:20] Speaker 1: we just talked like everybody male and female. Originally started
[22:24] Speaker 1: marlo fifty. That's sort of our original leasis for Nick
[22:27] Speaker 1: and I may because we know a lot of people
[22:29] Speaker 1: marlo over fifty. But the more we think about it,
[22:33] Speaker 1: more we talk about it, and especially amongst you guys,
[22:36] Speaker 1: I think it's probably will spill into every category, every category,
[22:41] Speaker 1: and then I think our research has got to sort
[22:43] Speaker 1: of take us there, you know, and who we talk to.
[22:46] Speaker 1: I mean, Nick, you asked me earlier on. I've always
[22:50] Speaker 1: been a big believer in and I've never had a
[22:53] Speaker 1: strategy around these things, but I've always been a big
[22:55] Speaker 1: believer in the three important things. That is, sleep, rest.
[23:00] Speaker 1: How do you want to call that exercise and eating well,
[23:05] Speaker 1: and my eating well is just as a matter of
[23:07] Speaker 1: my family background. That's just how we hate, you know.
[23:11] Speaker 1: And I grew up my time. By the way, this
[23:13] Speaker 1: wasn't even any supermarkets. There was no shopping centers when
[23:16] Speaker 1: I was a young kid. There was no shopping center.
[23:18] Speaker 1: The very first shopping center in Australia actually opened when
[23:21] Speaker 1: I was twelve or thirty years of age.
[23:23] Speaker 8: Wait where did you get food from?
[23:25] Speaker 4: Then?
[23:25] Speaker 1: Just down the corner shop. There's like there was a
[23:30] Speaker 1: fruit and there was a butcher and you get your
[23:33] Speaker 1: eggs from the butcher as well.
[23:35] Speaker 2: Very European.
[23:37] Speaker 1: He's walked and you walked down there, didn't catch a
[23:39] Speaker 1: bustam or whatever, didn't get delivered. You had to walk
[23:42] Speaker 1: down there and do the shopping and carry a card
[23:45] Speaker 1: at home. And yeah, so like so my my food
[23:50] Speaker 1: environment came from particularly my dad's side of the family.
[23:54] Speaker 1: You know, like olive oil, you know, like that let's
[23:56] Speaker 1: call the mediterrane And I will get into that in
[23:58] Speaker 1: one of the episodes, but you know, the real Mediterranean diet.
[24:02] Speaker 1: But yeah, that type of food. So I've always ate
[24:05] Speaker 1: pretty well, eaten pretty well, did knock myself around a
[24:08] Speaker 1: little bit for a period of time there in terms
[24:10] Speaker 1: of booze. But exiles would have been a important part
[24:13] Speaker 1: in my life because I love I love sport. I
[24:16] Speaker 1: think most strainers sort of love sport of some type,
[24:18] Speaker 1: so it's always competitor in that regard. But maybe now
[24:21] Speaker 1: I've got some issues having boxed for so long and
[24:24] Speaker 1: so often. So you know, one of the experts I've
[24:28] Speaker 1: been able to get on is a well known expert
[24:31] Speaker 1: in dementia and your degenerative diseases, and he will come on.
[24:37] Speaker 1: He's agreed to come on. It's going to be really
[24:38] Speaker 1: cool to talk to him, particularly in relation to myself,
[24:42] Speaker 1: because he's doing a lot of tests on me at
[24:43] Speaker 1: the moment. We're going to film a lot of these
[24:45] Speaker 1: tests and show how it's all done, including blood tests,
[24:50] Speaker 1: blood tests that NOBE normally does. So sleep regime. I
[24:54] Speaker 1: grew up in a period when I was working, especially
[24:56] Speaker 1: when I was working in the law firm. We had
[24:58] Speaker 1: some clients who boasted in those days that were talking
[25:02] Speaker 1: about the eighties, boasted about getting four hours sleep at night.
[25:05] Speaker 1: I see, what the fuck, le how can anyone survive
[25:08] Speaker 1: on four hours sleep at night? And I think you
[25:11] Speaker 1: wheat bastard Mark, you know, how come you need eight?
[25:14] Speaker 1: And but it's what I always try to get and
[25:18] Speaker 1: I still try to get it, but now everyone's talking
[25:20] Speaker 1: about it. That's sort of like a dominimus thing. You've
[25:23] Speaker 1: got to do that. So those three things, Nick, I
[25:27] Speaker 1: never had a strategy around it. So you mentioned I've
[25:29] Speaker 1: been living my life like that, Yeah, but only tactically,
[25:32] Speaker 1: not strategically. So I never went around saying I must
[25:35] Speaker 1: have a strategy around sleep. So what does it involve
[25:38] Speaker 1: to get a certain outcome? I must have a strategy
[25:41] Speaker 1: around its size?
[25:42] Speaker 4: What is that?
[25:43] Speaker 1: What's that involved? What's what is the outcome I'm looking for?
[25:46] Speaker 1: And I must have a strategy around nutrition. Doesn't mean
[25:49] Speaker 1: that you can't eat a pie or whatever. I'm just
[25:52] Speaker 1: saying there are certain things you've got to get in
[25:54] Speaker 1: your system, and there are certain things that were missing
[25:56] Speaker 1: from the system. But even if you do eat them,
[25:58] Speaker 1: you don't ingest them for diges for some reason, so
[26:01] Speaker 1: you might have to find.
[26:01] Speaker 9: Supplements and stuff like that. What are the things just
[26:04] Speaker 9: on that as well?
[26:04] Speaker 3: And I don't think you've ever as you said, you
[26:07] Speaker 3: weren't consciously focusing on those different things.
[26:09] Speaker 1: Not a strategy.
[26:10] Speaker 3: But you're one thing I've learned about you early on
[26:13] Speaker 3: because I bump into various cafes, Like four thirty in
[26:16] Speaker 3: the morning is your routine?
[26:18] Speaker 9: So you've always had this routine.
[26:20] Speaker 3: Where you get up early, you train, you then eat
[26:24] Speaker 3: the same stuff in the same place, go to the office,
[26:27] Speaker 3: you know, like all the time weekends included. Like how
[26:30] Speaker 3: much has actually just moving and getting those things done?
[26:35] Speaker 3: Do you think that's like in terms of how you're
[26:37] Speaker 3: made up? Do you think like routine and just getting
[26:40] Speaker 3: on with it, like not you know, not letting that
[26:43] Speaker 3: opportunity to sleep in or those types of things. How
[26:46] Speaker 3: much has routine been part of what your routine?
[26:51] Speaker 1: For me is just a way of keep my mind
[26:54] Speaker 1: from being in a state of like entry, Like it's
[27:00] Speaker 1: I like to try to keep my mind ordered as
[27:06] Speaker 1: opposed to disordered in a like a physic sense. I
[27:11] Speaker 1: don't want my brain to be like an excited electron
[27:14] Speaker 1: running around an atom like go mental.
[27:17] Speaker 8: You're actually so nerdy.
[27:19] Speaker 9: He's a science gig.
[27:20] Speaker 1: That's why I have been a science gig all my life.
[27:23] Speaker 1: So you know, I love science at school, and I've
[27:27] Speaker 1: been buying American scientific and New scientists and all those magazines,
[27:32] Speaker 1: and for forty years, I'm still subscribed to them. I
[27:36] Speaker 1: still get them and then but these days I just
[27:39] Speaker 1: actually go down rabbit holes. I'll read something that I'll
[27:41] Speaker 1: get on the internet. I couldn't get on the internet
[27:43] Speaker 1: because there was no internet. But now I just got
[27:45] Speaker 1: right into some of Sometimes I get too far.
[27:46] Speaker 2: But you know so.
[27:48] Speaker 1: But but for me to answer your question, my brain
[27:51] Speaker 1: can go get quite distracted if I don't keep my
[27:55] Speaker 1: routine because it's part of my structure. So it's more
[27:58] Speaker 1: a mindset that works for me. If I don't exercise,
[28:01] Speaker 1: I can get down, yeah, mentally, So it's that's more
[28:06] Speaker 1: a technique to stop myself from experiencing something that I
[28:10] Speaker 1: don't enjoy and I don't want to take pills for it.
[28:13] Speaker 1: Whatever just works with me. There, I guess there's probably
[28:16] Speaker 1: the answer. So I keep my routine because it works
[28:20] Speaker 1: for me. And again, it was never really a strategy.
[28:22] Speaker 1: Is more tactical, like this is just the way I operate.
[28:25] Speaker 1: Better get up early, which means I've got to go
[28:27] Speaker 1: to a bit early. You know, eat certain foods because
[28:32] Speaker 1: certain foods stopped from sleep me sleep. Probably don't drink
[28:35] Speaker 1: it after a certain hour. I mean that doesn't mean
[28:37] Speaker 1: I don't ever drink, but whiskey company for foxs sake,
[28:39] Speaker 1: So I like a whiskey every now and.
[28:43] Speaker 5: Exercise, like you're just talking about with food and sleep,
[28:46] Speaker 5: Like if I don't exercise, I don't like it's I
[28:48] Speaker 5: struggle to sleep.
[28:49] Speaker 2: So they kind of overlap.
[28:51] Speaker 1: Yeah, same, So I don't feel relaxed. Yeah, yeah, I
[28:53] Speaker 1: don't feel I actually want to go to bed film
[28:55] Speaker 1: Really it's not exhausted, but like I'm tired, you know,
[28:59] Speaker 1: and then I I might sleep better lay that way.
[29:01] Speaker 1: I don't know if it's right or wrong, but they're
[29:03] Speaker 1: the sort of things we're going to explore. Like one
[29:04] Speaker 1: of the things I want to look at is the
[29:06] Speaker 1: loss of mitochondrial function as we get older and the
[29:11] Speaker 1: resultant lack of ATP therefore no a top, no energy,
[29:15] Speaker 1: And I'm looking forward to talking to someone about that,
[29:18] Speaker 1: like again some dude on metal female, but someone who
[29:22] Speaker 1: can explain that process to us. And then is there
[29:25] Speaker 1: some way I can re excite my mitochondria to become
[29:27] Speaker 1: much more efficient to produce the same levels of ATP
[29:32] Speaker 1: from the same other sources that I that I used
[29:35] Speaker 1: to be able to do so I can sort of
[29:36] Speaker 1: get back some of my energy, because I know I'm
[29:38] Speaker 1: sixty out, I'm starting to lose that energy that I
[29:43] Speaker 1: remember I would have had just ten years ago. For
[29:45] Speaker 1: argument sake, you know, I was fighting ten years ago,
[29:48] Speaker 1: and I could you know, I could do all sorts
[29:51] Speaker 1: of things, you know, like in turn the train, and
[29:53] Speaker 1: I thought, I was fuck, I don't know if I
[29:54] Speaker 1: could do that now, or I wonder if I can
[29:57] Speaker 1: do it. That's sort of what this is all about.
[30:00] Speaker 1: I do something or close to it. Can they get
[30:02] Speaker 1: to a ten percent variation on it?
[30:04] Speaker 9: I reckon that one of those. And we'll go through
[30:06] Speaker 9: all this. But when you used to fight.
[30:08] Speaker 3: And i'd talk to you in February in a certain year,
[30:12] Speaker 3: and you stupidly have agreed to fight someone like Danny
[30:15] Speaker 3: Green in October and who's forty years younger than you
[30:21] Speaker 3: and a world champion boxer, that it wasn't about the fight,
[30:26] Speaker 3: it was about that whole journey of Then you're going
[30:30] Speaker 3: from February through to October and you became obsessive about
[30:35] Speaker 3: your training and everything else.
[30:36] Speaker 9: And I think that that's a bit of a hack
[30:38] Speaker 9: as well, Like what some of those.
[30:40] Speaker 3: Things to be able to go. I ran the City
[30:43] Speaker 3: to Surf last year for the first time, and I've
[30:46] Speaker 3: trained for it, but this year I really trained for
[30:48] Speaker 3: it and it gave me something.
[30:50] Speaker 9: To train towards.
[30:51] Speaker 3: I've got a little like little running group around this
[30:53] Speaker 3: morning every Thursday and then adding some more in, but
[30:57] Speaker 3: getting a group together in a purpose of actually doing something.
[31:00] Speaker 3: It wasn't about city surface great, but the training the
[31:03] Speaker 3: build up to it, and I reckon some of those
[31:06] Speaker 3: things as well. Have been interested in things of just
[31:08] Speaker 3: not going to the gym every day and just becoming
[31:12] Speaker 3: monotonous like some of those things to make the journey interesting,
[31:15] Speaker 3: you know. And then you're boxing and then you've done
[31:18] Speaker 3: what judo and ju jitsu, and.
[31:20] Speaker 1: Well it's funny you should say, because I think that
[31:23] Speaker 1: actually takes us into the whole community process. So you know,
[31:26] Speaker 1: we talk about you know, there's shows on two called
[31:28] Speaker 1: the Blue Zone and all they're talking about, you know,
[31:30] Speaker 1: how people in Nikorea and various other places around the
[31:33] Speaker 1: world lived much longer and they put it down to diet.
[31:36] Speaker 1: But a big part of this lifestyle community. Yeah, and
[31:39] Speaker 1: we don't live in those environments here. We all live
[31:42] Speaker 1: in Sydney. But like we don't live in those environments
[31:44] Speaker 1: in Australia, it's a harder thing to achieve. But I
[31:47] Speaker 1: think by doing what you've just done with the city
[31:49] Speaker 1: to serve and what I used to do boxing trainers
[31:52] Speaker 1: and I used to train with the coppers and they're
[31:54] Speaker 1: all my mates, and we used to have a laugh
[31:56] Speaker 1: and we'd have a cup of coffee after it and
[31:59] Speaker 1: catch up once or twice year for a Christmas lunch
[32:01] Speaker 1: and stuff like that. I think those things sort of
[32:04] Speaker 1: force you to build communities, and then once you're in
[32:08] Speaker 1: the community, when it comes next to especially, you tend
[32:10] Speaker 1: to compete a little bit, a little bit more competitive,
[32:14] Speaker 1: and that's sort of to me. One of the things
[32:17] Speaker 1: that one uncover here is that we probably can't really
[32:21] Speaker 1: live that life of Nikorea where you're walking up the
[32:24] Speaker 1: mountain every day and you're collecting the water at the
[32:26] Speaker 1: top of the hill, or you're taking the water from
[32:27] Speaker 1: the bottom of at the top of the hill, and
[32:29] Speaker 1: you come back down and you're all singing and dance
[32:31] Speaker 1: at ten o'clock at night with your Greek families and
[32:33] Speaker 1: drinking broth and you know, it's okay there, but we're
[32:39] Speaker 1: not an hour in Japan they're doing the same thing
[32:41] Speaker 1: but just different type of food, because because I think
[32:46] Speaker 1: the community part of it is really important and we
[32:47] Speaker 1: should get a cyclon here too, or at least in
[32:50] Speaker 1: eurosoch to come here.
[32:51] Speaker 7: There is a lot of research looking at the connection
[32:53] Speaker 7: between longevity and social connections, and there's one paper I
[32:58] Speaker 7: think it came out twenty twenty two, and that it
[33:01] Speaker 7: showed that you don't necessarily need to be hanging out
[33:04] Speaker 7: with large groups of people every single day. It could
[33:06] Speaker 7: be something as simple as going to an art class
[33:09] Speaker 7: once a month or having someone who visits you once
[33:12] Speaker 7: a week.
[33:13] Speaker 8: So it's really cool.
[33:14] Speaker 7: I feel like a lot of people as they get
[33:15] Speaker 7: older might feel lonely and might feel like they need
[33:19] Speaker 7: to have all these friends or the same number of
[33:21] Speaker 7: friends that they had when they were in their twenties
[33:23] Speaker 7: or thirties.
[33:24] Speaker 8: But that's actually not true.
[33:25] Speaker 7: It can be just like little bits of connection that
[33:27] Speaker 7: actually really help your health and your happiness and drive longevity.
[33:31] Speaker 7: So I think hopefully that people can take something really
[33:34] Speaker 7: positive from that. If you feel lonely, it's not about
[33:37] Speaker 7: like the number of connections, it's just about doing something
[33:40] Speaker 7: that makes you happy.
[33:42] Speaker 1: And I think we should do a NP on that, like, yeah,
[33:44] Speaker 1: with someone who can talk to us about that sort
[33:46] Speaker 1: of stuff, because I mean, if we got right back
[33:49] Speaker 1: to the beginning, what we first start doing about. There's
[33:52] Speaker 1: all these people out they're offering us advice and or
[33:56] Speaker 1: putting themselves up as pinnacles of great health, and a
[34:00] Speaker 1: lot of us are unattainable, Like I really have to
[34:04] Speaker 1: do a respect for Peter two for example, right, but
[34:08] Speaker 1: no one can. I can't live his life go to
[34:11] Speaker 1: the gym twice a day and spend two and a
[34:15] Speaker 1: half hours at the gym every day, and you know
[34:19] Speaker 1: my blood and it's a bit like saying all the
[34:23] Speaker 1: blue zone, that's how you live your life. I can't
[34:26] Speaker 1: do that either. You know I live in Sydney. You
[34:30] Speaker 1: know I don't live at the bottom of the mountain,
[34:33] Speaker 1: and I don't have a massive, big family community who
[34:35] Speaker 1: I can spend every night of the week with and
[34:38] Speaker 1: have dinner with and dance and sing Greek songs or
[34:42] Speaker 1: not on hour whatever. So we need to we need
[34:45] Speaker 1: to sort of, I said earlier, democratize all these things and.
[34:50] Speaker 7: Explain how they work, and things that don't necessarily cost
[34:53] Speaker 7: lots of money because something that frustrates me a little
[34:56] Speaker 7: is that you get a lot of experts again the
[34:58] Speaker 7: inverted commas. You're online and they're saying you need to
[35:01] Speaker 7: take this supplement or this peptide or inject yourself with
[35:05] Speaker 7: this hormone, and they're never saying, oh, go outside or
[35:09] Speaker 7: see a friend or you know, do a social activity,
[35:12] Speaker 7: because those things are free and they don't get any
[35:14] Speaker 7: money from that. So I get really frustrated because there
[35:17] Speaker 7: are a lot of really great interventions that are super simple,
[35:20] Speaker 7: super cheap, and you can just implement them right away.
[35:22] Speaker 7: But people often go they skip right over that and
[35:25] Speaker 7: go to the supplements, to the drugs and things.
[35:28] Speaker 8: I think that is something.
[35:29] Speaker 7: That is really a characteristic of our modern society, like
[35:33] Speaker 7: we want a silver bullet, we want a drug or
[35:36] Speaker 7: some sort of pharmaceutical thing that can just fix our problem,
[35:39] Speaker 7: rather than look at, okay, well, what was causing the
[35:41] Speaker 7: issue in the first place. Let's actually put some different
[35:44] Speaker 7: things in place to solve that. So I'm really excited
[35:47] Speaker 7: to see all the different kinds of interventions that you
[35:49] Speaker 7: can do.
[35:50] Speaker 1: Well, I'll try the peptism, and I actually will. I'll
[35:52] Speaker 1: try for a month. I'll give it a crack, just
[35:54] Speaker 1: see what it does. I know what peptides.
[35:57] Speaker 9: I think that's all interesting.
[35:58] Speaker 3: In the other thing as well, like we're in an
[36:00] Speaker 3: era now where you know, in history where if you've
[36:05] Speaker 3: been overweight you need to adjust what you're eating and
[36:08] Speaker 3: you know, get some exercise in Now you just get
[36:11] Speaker 3: an injection, you know, a zampeg, you know, so where
[36:14] Speaker 3: we are going for these easy solutions, and it's like
[36:18] Speaker 3: it's zmpegs everywhere, and it's like, well, I get worried
[36:21] Speaker 3: about those types of things. Anyone I know that is
[36:25] Speaker 3: on a zenpeg is looks unhealthy and instead of doing
[36:29] Speaker 3: the right way and you know, going having the right
[36:33] Speaker 3: nutrition and you know, the right exercise and those types
[36:38] Speaker 3: of things. You know, So this is the era we're
[36:39] Speaker 3: in where people are getting injected and taking all different things,
[36:44] Speaker 3: you know, rather than actually having just foundation healthy.
[36:47] Speaker 1: I think we've got to be careful. If you know,
[36:50] Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be the blackout for sec. I think
[36:53] Speaker 1: we would be careful.
[36:54] Speaker 9: I think.
[36:56] Speaker 1: I think we need to talk about this stuff O
[36:58] Speaker 1: zembic and peptize sort of things. And I think we
[37:01] Speaker 1: need to try it, or I need to try it.
[37:03] Speaker 1: I don't need a zembic, but like, certainly I'll try
[37:06] Speaker 1: the peptides just so it does because there might be
[37:10] Speaker 1: something in it. And I don't think I reckon. It's
[37:13] Speaker 1: really important that we don't want to tell anybody that
[37:17] Speaker 1: this is the right way to do anything. Let them
[37:19] Speaker 1: meet their own call off the back and let's get
[37:21] Speaker 1: the expontive. So let's get both sides. So let's get
[37:24] Speaker 1: someone to come and say, okay, tell me about a
[37:27] Speaker 1: zembic one of the upsides. Once the downsides, and because
[37:32] Speaker 1: there probably are some people I don't know mentally, they're
[37:36] Speaker 1: never going to be able to do it. You and
[37:37] Speaker 1: I to go to.
[37:38] Speaker 7: The gym, will go for I think you are right
[37:41] Speaker 7: that you know there are drugs like semi glue type
[37:43] Speaker 7: which is marketed as a zen pic, which reduce your
[37:47] Speaker 7: blood glucose levels and increase insulin sensitivity, and that is
[37:51] Speaker 7: something that has been associated with longevity and sell repair
[37:56] Speaker 7: mechanisms and stuff like that. So there are certain compounds
[38:00] Speaker 7: and peptides and hormones that will have an action and
[38:03] Speaker 7: maybe for some people that could play a role in
[38:06] Speaker 7: their life if they can afford it, if they can
[38:09] Speaker 7: implement that, and if the benefits outweigh the risks. So
[38:12] Speaker 7: I think it is good for us to explore that,
[38:14] Speaker 7: and then on the other hand, look at the other
[38:17] Speaker 7: interventions that won't require that.
[38:19] Speaker 1: Sort of everything, because I don't know, like I don't
[38:25] Speaker 1: really think give shit what anyone does. Like, if they
[38:27] Speaker 1: want to do something in their life, if it makes.
[38:30] Speaker 2: It feel good, totally go for it.
[38:32] Speaker 1: But what we're here to do is say, well, may
[38:33] Speaker 1: feel good today, but moner mate feel good next week.
[38:35] Speaker 1: There could be something, some downside risk of it that
[38:37] Speaker 1: you don't know about, and let's get some person come
[38:41] Speaker 1: and tell.
[38:41] Speaker 9: Us what that is.
[38:42] Speaker 1: But at the same time, if this is the only
[38:44] Speaker 1: way you're going to get to a better point or
[38:47] Speaker 1: better place, then maybe these are the things you should
[38:51] Speaker 1: understand about the net effect, but go for it.
[38:54] Speaker 9: I was actually sorry.
[38:55] Speaker 3: I was actually just going to say on that a
[38:57] Speaker 3: question for you, Maddie, Like all these peptides and a
[39:00] Speaker 3: ZMPG and what's around now in twenty twenty four, imagine
[39:04] Speaker 3: what's going to be around in twenty twenty eight. And
[39:06] Speaker 3: it's like, from a like a science perspective, what's your
[39:11] Speaker 3: take on you know, where science and health is sort
[39:15] Speaker 3: of meeting science, health, medicine, those types of things. What's
[39:18] Speaker 3: your take on where all of that sort of meets.
[39:21] Speaker 8: Oh, it's extremely exciting.
[39:22] Speaker 7: I almost wish that I was still in the lab
[39:24] Speaker 7: doing research so I could be directly involved, but now
[39:26] Speaker 7: I kind of get to watch all of these amazing developments.
[39:29] Speaker 7: I think the main thing is that health is going
[39:32] Speaker 7: to become more personalized, so it will kind of be
[39:36] Speaker 7: like people doing your journey mark where they'll look at
[39:39] Speaker 7: their specific situation and they'll look at their health picture,
[39:42] Speaker 7: and then they'll try different interventions that are right for them,
[39:45] Speaker 7: and they'll be able to measure lots of different biomarkers
[39:50] Speaker 7: in their body, measure like levels of hormones or I
[39:53] Speaker 7: don't know their blood glucose levels, their cholesterol, but they
[39:56] Speaker 7: might even be able to look at things like their
[39:57] Speaker 7: gene expression and things likeicts and so on, and then
[40:01] Speaker 7: they'll be able to target their treatments based on that.
[40:04] Speaker 8: So at the moment that that.
[40:06] Speaker 7: Sort of level of treatment is available to just a
[40:08] Speaker 7: few select people who choose to go down that pathway
[40:11] Speaker 7: and can do so, but I think that that's going
[40:13] Speaker 7: to become more and more accessible for people, which is
[40:15] Speaker 7: really really exciting, but I think it's important for us
[40:18] Speaker 7: to also not lose sight of just going back to
[40:21] Speaker 7: the basics in that process as well, and making sure
[40:23] Speaker 7: that we're living healthy lives so that these sorts of
[40:26] Speaker 7: interventions and these sorts of pharmaceutical strugs, maybe gene therapies
[40:30] Speaker 7: and things like that will be additive rather than trying
[40:33] Speaker 7: to sort of fix a problem or band aid over something.
[40:37] Speaker 3: Also around that as well, looking forward to digging into
[40:40] Speaker 3: an interest of mine is medicinal cannabis, so CBD for
[40:44] Speaker 3: especially around concussion. To look into those studies as well,
[40:48] Speaker 3: because even like CBD for joints and again whether it's
[40:53] Speaker 3: a placebo thing that's going on, but you know for
[40:56] Speaker 3: me that's fixed knees, lower back for me and different things.
[40:59] Speaker 1: So I can try that people sleep.
[41:01] Speaker 3: But as well, there's you know, scientific research out there
[41:03] Speaker 3: that says that you know, young kids that especially playing
[41:07] Speaker 3: sports like rugby and AFL, if they do get a
[41:09] Speaker 3: big concussion of actually having some CBD, not with THC.
[41:14] Speaker 3: But you know, so it's good to understand all those things.
[41:17] Speaker 3: I was even just thinking, like as the old analogy
[41:20] Speaker 3: of saying, you know, how much money we spend on
[41:23] Speaker 3: servicing our cars and you get a full report back
[41:25] Speaker 3: from the mechanic of all the different things that we
[41:28] Speaker 3: don't do that as humans, you know, we go to
[41:30] Speaker 3: the doctors when we're sick.
[41:33] Speaker 9: And then they take our bloods as.
[41:34] Speaker 3: You say, and they send it off and then come
[41:36] Speaker 3: back and say, yeah, everything's fine.
[41:38] Speaker 9: It's like I actually.
[41:39] Speaker 3: Want to know the parts of the car, you know,
[41:42] Speaker 3: all these different things, the brain, the nutrition, all the
[41:46] Speaker 3: all the different things that are that keep us alive
[41:49] Speaker 3: and keep us healthy, you know.
[41:50] Speaker 7: So yeah, I'm really passionate about that too. I think
[41:54] Speaker 7: people having more tools to be able to see this
[41:57] Speaker 7: medical information about their own bodies and understand what's going on.
[42:01] Speaker 1: Relative to your cardboard so as well, so they need
[42:04] Speaker 1: they need to be measurement.
[42:05] Speaker 8: Yes.
[42:06] Speaker 1: If I can't measure, I can't fix it.
[42:08] Speaker 8: Yeah.
[42:08] Speaker 7: So would you say you're someone who the more information
[42:11] Speaker 7: you have to make a decision the better, Because I
[42:13] Speaker 7: know that there are some.
[42:14] Speaker 8: People out there who maybe they.
[42:17] Speaker 7: Have family members who have had cancer or neuro degenerative
[42:21] Speaker 7: disease who prefer not to know. And I totally respect
[42:24] Speaker 7: everyone's you know, choice is there, but I would agree
[42:27] Speaker 7: with you.
[42:28] Speaker 8: I think for me. I would like to.
[42:29] Speaker 7: Know just so that I can take actions now, even
[42:32] Speaker 7: I'm twenty six, even the things I do now will
[42:35] Speaker 7: really impact how long I live and how healthy I
[42:37] Speaker 7: am later, and for you too.
[42:39] Speaker 1: That's that's the story, that you guys having a big
[42:42] Speaker 1: advantage over me, hopefully, and that you know you will
[42:46] Speaker 1: be able to live a you'll be able to control
[42:48] Speaker 1: the outcomes a bit better we did. I was hanging
[42:52] Speaker 1: around in the eighties, like you know, it was Miami Vice,
[42:55] Speaker 1: you know, like get off the head, even.
[42:59] Speaker 5: Even that four thousand weeks that the other day, Oh,
[43:03] Speaker 5: that freaked me out. I'm already caughtable when you.
[43:06] Speaker 3: Said to me at lunch yesterday, I wasn't aware of
[43:08] Speaker 3: the book. And I then worked out. I had dinner
[43:10] Speaker 3: with some friends last night and we're out and I'm
[43:13] Speaker 3: interested in that. I'd even just did on my phone
[43:15] Speaker 3: and worked out at seventy five point six years or something,
[43:18] Speaker 3: and then go, okay, I'm forty five on past half
[43:22] Speaker 3: past halfway, and it's like there's a bit of doom
[43:25] Speaker 3: and gloom at the end of the well.
[43:27] Speaker 1: It's confronting because you know everybody should do that calculation,
[43:30] Speaker 1: like how many weekends are because we're going to work
[43:33] Speaker 1: most of those eighty years or or four thousand weeks.
[43:37] Speaker 1: We're going to work most of those weeks, and then
[43:40] Speaker 1: on some weekends you're going to you know, you're going
[43:43] Speaker 1: to have things you have to do. Then there's going
[43:45] Speaker 1: to be periods which are your own periods, your own weekends.
[43:48] Speaker 1: But there's not many weekends. It's not that much. No,
[43:52] Speaker 1: you know, it's not a lot. And there will be
[43:54] Speaker 1: times when you're sick. Yeah, so that's one you maybe
[43:57] Speaker 1: can control. I got to eliminate. I can't control what's
[44:01] Speaker 1: been destined for me, and I've been in a DNA sense,
[44:04] Speaker 1: what's set out for me relative to my genetics that's
[44:07] Speaker 1: going to kill me. I can't. I can't. I can't
[44:10] Speaker 1: fix that. But what I can do is make sure
[44:12] Speaker 1: that I have the best run of all.
[44:14] Speaker 5: Time, especially at the speed of life now, like even
[44:17] Speaker 5: like the I don't know about you guys, but the
[44:19] Speaker 5: last like three years feels way quicker than the other years.
[44:22] Speaker 2: I'm like hearing that the other day, I was like.
[44:24] Speaker 3: Holy shit, I was actually going to ask a question.
[44:27] Speaker 3: Sam and Jonah. You obviously make Mark look good with
[44:30] Speaker 3: the podcast.
[44:30] Speaker 9: We need a very good lights.
[44:32] Speaker 3: But let me ask you guys a question, what do
[44:35] Speaker 3: you guys want out of this? You obviously know this
[44:36] Speaker 3: guy well now and then the way he operates and
[44:39] Speaker 3: way he ticks.
[44:40] Speaker 9: What do you guys want to learn out of this?
[44:42] Speaker 4: Yeah?
[44:43] Speaker 6: I think going on to Max's point as well, just
[44:44] Speaker 6: optimizing your health mentally physically, because I think mental health
[44:51] Speaker 6: is a big problem these days, especially with the phone,
[44:54] Speaker 6: the technology.
[44:54] Speaker 1: And stuff like that.
[44:55] Speaker 6: First off, so I want to just know scientifically what
[44:59] Speaker 6: the effects are the mobile phone dollars, the technologies does
[45:03] Speaker 6: on the health, maybe artificially intelligence down the line.
[45:06] Speaker 1: But then also I think a big.
[45:07] Speaker 6: One is, as guys, is the testosterone problem as well.
[45:12] Speaker 1: That's just something enough. There's definitely a Christ's.
[45:16] Speaker 8: Not enough you need to talk about this.
[45:19] Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's interesting because there's definitely I think
[45:22] Speaker 6: there is there science around that there's I don't know
[45:25] Speaker 6: what I see on social media that there's a crisis
[45:27] Speaker 6: with testosterone for younger men, but not enough, not enough
[45:31] Speaker 6: compared to what it used to be.
[45:32] Speaker 1: Not having that problem.
[45:36] Speaker 6: Really, I'm kind of curious about that because you know,
[45:39] Speaker 6: it's a trend right now. Everyone's on tr T, especially
[45:41] Speaker 6: in America, that kind of stuff. People my age are
[45:44] Speaker 6: on that kind of stuff. Yeah, people, people are doing it.
[45:46] Speaker 7: I can tell you just no, no, no, no no, we.
[45:49] Speaker 6: Don't want I'm interested about you know, the hormone.
[45:52] Speaker 1: Well, it's going to get so we'll get a neurologist. So,
[45:54] Speaker 1: but that's that's probably more specific episode like that's on you.
[46:02] Speaker 1: Probably we'll do that after we do the first eight
[46:05] Speaker 1: or nine episodes. We'll get into the specifics after that.
[46:08] Speaker 1: In terms of out planning day today, we'll get into
[46:10] Speaker 1: the specific school. So let's talk about urology of men,
[46:13] Speaker 1: which includes kidneys and everything else. But let's and you know,
[46:18] Speaker 1: by the way, how does testosterone replacement therapy? Where's it work?
[46:23] Speaker 1: He'll probably say it's not meant for you guys your
[46:25] Speaker 1: age because and probably the first thing he says, let's
[46:28] Speaker 1: measure it. I mean, what is the measure of your
[46:30] Speaker 1: testoster and if you're in and how does the range work?
[46:34] Speaker 1: So where do you fit in the range? Do you
[46:36] Speaker 1: have to be right in the middle, at the top
[46:38] Speaker 1: of the bottom of what happens? And then what is
[46:40] Speaker 1: TRT likely to do? So you know, maybe you get
[46:43] Speaker 1: a hit at TRT and see TT is a problem
[46:47] Speaker 1: if you have prostate cancer. But if you don't have
[46:51] Speaker 1: prostate cancer. He told me that's okay to take.
[46:56] Speaker 9: Sam just asking for a maker.
[46:58] Speaker 6: People don't believe me when I tell them that you're
[47:00] Speaker 6: They go, there's no way.
[47:02] Speaker 1: Yeah, well I don't take CT. But I've been through
[47:04] Speaker 1: the process of grilling him hard about how this all works,
[47:09] Speaker 1: you know, and I don't want to sort of goes
[47:11] Speaker 1: to see a doctor and goes, oh, okay, no way.
[47:14] Speaker 1: I'll go and talk to him about some sort of
[47:15] Speaker 1: abstract that I've read recently that I said, blah blah,
[47:19] Speaker 1: And I'll test them, I'll push them, I'll email them
[47:22] Speaker 1: my stuff. And one of the things I want to
[47:23] Speaker 1: get out of this is we should do this advisors. Yeah,
[47:28] Speaker 1: And one of the things that is going to come
[47:29] Speaker 1: into this is, I hope, is that we should only
[47:32] Speaker 1: choose medical advisor who are open to us asking them
[47:35] Speaker 1: the questions, because it is incumbent upon us to go
[47:39] Speaker 1: and do our own work and research. And even if
[47:41] Speaker 1: we're wrong, it doesn't matter. Ask the question, and your
[47:44] Speaker 1: medical your advice again say well, no, well done, but no,
[47:48] Speaker 1: it's not right.
[47:49] Speaker 7: It doesn't need to be a black box, because I
[47:51] Speaker 7: feel like a lot of people if they go to
[47:52] Speaker 7: the doctor and they're like, fix this issue that I have.
[47:56] Speaker 7: I don't need to know why it happened or what
[47:57] Speaker 7: you're going to do, just fix it. Yeah, but how
[48:00] Speaker 7: are we going to live really long and healthy lives
[48:03] Speaker 7: and you know, optimize ourselves to be the best we
[48:06] Speaker 7: can be without knowing these.
[48:07] Speaker 1: Things, and we've got to be involved to do that.
[48:09] Speaker 8: Yes, we do well.
[48:10] Speaker 7: Something I found that was interesting is that average life expectancy,
[48:14] Speaker 7: specifically in wealthy countries has been rising steadily for the
[48:17] Speaker 7: last few hundred years.
[48:18] Speaker 1: I will say, though in Australia the last twoman's has
[48:20] Speaker 1: gone backwards to yes, so.
[48:21] Speaker 8: I was about to bring that up.
[48:22] Speaker 7: So Australian life expendency for men and women actually has
[48:27] Speaker 7: decreased by zero point one years just recently, so it's
[48:31] Speaker 7: likely to be because of COVID, But in other wealthy countries,
[48:36] Speaker 7: for example the US and the UK, even before COVID,
[48:39] Speaker 7: the average life expectancy growth was actually plateauing. So I
[48:43] Speaker 7: feel like maybe we're getting to a point where we
[48:46] Speaker 7: are seeing really good advances in medical technologies and you know,
[48:49] Speaker 7: we can do a lot of different interventions. But if
[48:52] Speaker 7: we don't do things with our lifestyle and take more
[48:54] Speaker 7: charge of our health, we're not going to keep increasing
[48:57] Speaker 7: our lifespan. We might just hit the top platter. Yeah,
[49:01] Speaker 7: and I think that might have already been happening in
[49:03] Speaker 7: the US and UK.
[49:04] Speaker 1: Well, I hope that's not the case. I hope you're wrong.
[49:07] Speaker 9: I hope Jonah for me, Yeah, I guess I want to.
[49:11] Speaker 1: There's two reasons.
[49:12] Speaker 4: The main one is I want to optimize the right now.
[49:16] Speaker 4: You know, times are very finite and early in the present,
[49:18] Speaker 4: the futures ahead of us passes behind us, and I
[49:21] Speaker 4: want to feel good.
[49:22] Speaker 2: In the moment.
[49:22] Speaker 4: I want to be able to be the best version
[49:24] Speaker 4: of myself. I want to be able to focus when
[49:26] Speaker 4: them at work.
[49:27] Speaker 1: I love sport.
[49:28] Speaker 4: I've grew up in a pretty active household, so I
[49:30] Speaker 4: want to be able to play tennis, play golf. And
[49:33] Speaker 4: I think this might just be my parents upbringing, but
[49:35] Speaker 4: I think I really want to dial in just the
[49:38] Speaker 4: main things that we can do before we get to supplements,
[49:41] Speaker 4: like the sleep, diet, and exercise. But then also like
[49:46] Speaker 4: the financial side as well, like I want to find
[49:49] Speaker 4: out what I can be doing at my age to
[49:52] Speaker 4: afford all this stuff, but then also set myself up
[49:56] Speaker 4: for what Peter Atier callsed the marginal decade, the last
[49:59] Speaker 4: ten years of my life. I think it'd be awesome
[50:02] Speaker 4: to sit and experience my great grandkids. I think they'd
[50:05] Speaker 4: be unbelievable, but also to be able to, you know,
[50:09] Speaker 4: sit down on the floor and play with them and
[50:11] Speaker 4: be active. But because I'm young, I'm fortunate enough to
[50:14] Speaker 4: have a long runway with that type of stuff. So
[50:16] Speaker 4: if I start early, I can get to that. But
[50:19] Speaker 4: I think that'd be really cool at the end of
[50:21] Speaker 4: my life to have a big family and you know,
[50:24] Speaker 4: be able to travel with them.
[50:26] Speaker 1: Or do that sort of stuff.
[50:27] Speaker 4: I want to learn about the health span type of
[50:29] Speaker 4: thing because I would hate to get to let's see
[50:32] Speaker 4: seventy and my last ten years, I'm in bed and
[50:35] Speaker 4: I'm sick, I'm unwell.
[50:38] Speaker 9: Everybody.
[50:38] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to I don't want to be that.
[50:40] Speaker 4: I want to be the best version of myself, and
[50:42] Speaker 4: I think this is a real cool space to dig
[50:44] Speaker 4: into that sort of stuff.
[50:46] Speaker 1: So like, let's still basedline day second episode. First of all,
[50:50] Speaker 1: we'll max maxcess. We can do that by a big test.
[50:58] Speaker 1: If you want, and you can calcul laid the virto
[51:00] Speaker 1: MAX or you can put me through a VIA to
[51:01] Speaker 1: MAX or and we can do a we'll do a
[51:04] Speaker 1: metabolic metabolic rate test, which is you know like and
[51:07] Speaker 1: we'll do a DEXA and then we'll get someone to
[51:10] Speaker 1: talk us through all those things. What's the DEXA do? Yeah,
[51:14] Speaker 1: as they've been interpreted, I've had been having ex' a
[51:16] Speaker 1: few years. So I can actually bring all my old
[51:18] Speaker 1: dexter scans in from nine ten years ago.
[51:20] Speaker 8: Oh, that's a great idea, and they can look at
[51:22] Speaker 8: the most look at.
[51:23] Speaker 1: The difference and just see the change of muscle mass
[51:25] Speaker 1: relative to fat, bone density and all that sort of stuff.
[51:30] Speaker 1: And I did a metabolic rate a metabolic gray test
[51:35] Speaker 1: ten years ago. I've be interested if my metabolic rates
[51:38] Speaker 1: changed gone up or down, as as a result of
[51:41] Speaker 1: my metabolism slowing has probably gone down, which means I
[51:45] Speaker 1: need to burn more calories or eat less calories. One
[51:47] Speaker 1: of the two VIA two MAX I have. Well they're
[51:50] Speaker 1: only sort of more recent like more recently talked about it,
[51:53] Speaker 1: but I have not BEEP tests before. But MAX has
[51:55] Speaker 1: dynamic good, but that'd be fun.
[51:58] Speaker 5: Yeah, But even though those you're talking about and have
[52:01] Speaker 5: been talking about since we've started this whole thing, Like
[52:03] Speaker 5: you talk about them, but I don't actually know what
[52:05] Speaker 5: they well, decks like all these things. But generally for
[52:08] Speaker 5: our audience, actually know what it is and why you're
[52:12] Speaker 5: getting it and what it tells you.
[52:13] Speaker 2: Like that's in a simplified form.
[52:16] Speaker 1: You can get the dude who does it like and
[52:17] Speaker 1: just say, mate, explain this thing to me. Because normally
[52:21] Speaker 1: what I do is I go. So I used to
[52:22] Speaker 1: get a guy called Jordan Sullivan, who some of you know,
[52:27] Speaker 1: who's the fight dietitian. He's a dietician, but he does
[52:30] Speaker 1: all the UFC guys and we've had him on the show.
[52:34] Speaker 1: So before when I was prepping for a fight, if
[52:36] Speaker 1: I had to lose, I know, I always like to
[52:38] Speaker 1: drop weight before a fight because I want to get
[52:39] Speaker 1: into the lowest weight division I can because hopefully I
[52:43] Speaker 1: can get an advantage out of that, which everyone does.
[52:46] Speaker 1: Except for the time of Fort Danny Green, I had
[52:47] Speaker 1: to put weight on because Danny was ninety one killers
[52:50] Speaker 1: he was a cruise ofweight and I was worning eighty
[52:52] Speaker 1: five kilos. I know, I was worn around and ninety
[52:55] Speaker 1: one killos cut Wow. So I put on four kilos
[52:59] Speaker 1: over a six month period, but mostly just mustle det
[53:01] Speaker 1: help me or do you just slaight me down? Which
[53:04] Speaker 1: is interesting. So, but I used to do dex is
[53:06] Speaker 1: to see where I could lose fat, because you know,
[53:08] Speaker 1: there's no point saying, oh, you want to lose five
[53:11] Speaker 1: kilos of fat if you don't have five killos of.
[53:12] Speaker 7: Fa to lose, yeah, or you could be losing it
[53:15] Speaker 7: around your organs, you know, places where you might want that.
[53:18] Speaker 1: You've got to be careful with this stuff. And everyone's out,
[53:21] Speaker 1: Oh lose weight. Okay, Well where are you going to
[53:23] Speaker 1: lose weight?
[53:24] Speaker 9: Do you have?
[53:24] Speaker 1: What weight do you have to lose? You, like, especially
[53:28] Speaker 1: my age, you don't want to lose all your fat.
[53:29] Speaker 1: You need a little bit of fat, you know what
[53:31] Speaker 1: I mean. So like Jeordie might be worth talking to.
[53:34] Speaker 1: But Jeordie would say, I don't want to you don't.
[53:36] Speaker 1: I don't want you less than twelve percent like fat
[53:41] Speaker 1: at your age, he said, because like it could be
[53:43] Speaker 1: dangerous and you don't know what you got to lose
[53:46] Speaker 1: until you're going to get a dex and you don't
[53:49] Speaker 1: know how to lose it. If I have an other
[53:51] Speaker 1: a metabolic rate test, because you don't even know how
[53:53] Speaker 1: many calories you're actually don't you know all these people
[53:55] Speaker 1: do in calorie counting, they don't even know how many
[53:59] Speaker 1: They might know how many calories I eat, but they
[54:01] Speaker 1: don't know how many calories they can't eat to get
[54:03] Speaker 1: in a deficit because they don't even know what their calorie.
[54:08] Speaker 1: You can make assumptions about training and stuff like that
[54:11] Speaker 1: and walking and whatever, but you can't make an assumption.
[54:13] Speaker 1: You can make an assumption about what you burn and
[54:15] Speaker 1: don't burn, but that's the largest amount of calories you
[54:18] Speaker 1: consume is what you burn at rest, like when you're
[54:23] Speaker 1: breathing and your heart going and your brain all those
[54:25] Speaker 1: things you have no control over, well you know are automatic.
[54:30] Speaker 1: So yeah, that's the first episode talking. It's a scientific
[54:34] Speaker 1: experiment and it's a like a bit of experience. We've
[54:36] Speaker 1: got something we can deliver to. And I went over
[54:42] Speaker 1: to the US this year and I did the PRENUVA test,
[54:45] Speaker 1: which is a lot of just won't know what that is.
[54:47] Speaker 1: It doesn't exist in austraight. I don't know why, but
[54:50] Speaker 1: I'm pretty expensive. But nonetheless it's a big deal in
[54:54] Speaker 1: the US. And I went to the one in La
[54:56] Speaker 1: So it's a full body MRI scan. It's a You're
[55:01] Speaker 1: in there for an hour and an hour and a
[55:03] Speaker 1: half in the coffin. That's what it feels with all
[55:08] Speaker 1: those noise. There's all these noises like because that's the
[55:12] Speaker 1: way I'm robot, and it's pretty freaky. After the first
[55:15] Speaker 1: forty five minutes, I thought it was going to go
[55:17] Speaker 1: get a bit mental and I was feelly pressing the
[55:19] Speaker 1: buzzer and let me fuck it out of it, because
[55:21] Speaker 1: I didn't know if I was ever going to get out.
[55:23] Speaker 1: I feel like it was in there forever. And I
[55:25] Speaker 1: open my eyes a few times. You should know your
[55:27] Speaker 1: eyes those things. I have wise for a few times
[55:29] Speaker 1: and the things right there and it's all dark, and
[55:32] Speaker 1: I'm like, I can't move. I'm more I'm squashed in
[55:34] Speaker 1: like like this. I took some video of it. It
[55:37] Speaker 1: took some video, so I've got some video. Did you
[55:39] Speaker 1: get out of it?
[55:40] Speaker 4: Well?
[55:40] Speaker 1: They as a full body scan and it looks for
[55:42] Speaker 1: any unusual things that might be a mass growing in you.
[55:48] Speaker 1: So they come up with a number of things for me.
[55:50] Speaker 1: They come up with five things, all of which I've
[55:51] Speaker 1: sent to different specialists to say what is that, and
[55:55] Speaker 1: then they've gone off and done more tests, So it's
[55:58] Speaker 1: pre neuvo and I've got I've got the whole report,
[56:01] Speaker 1: and we can talk to various doctors about the report.
[56:04] Speaker 1: So I've done that as a baseline.
[56:06] Speaker 2: I read.
[56:06] Speaker 1: I'm not going to go do it again because my godly,
[56:10] Speaker 1: you know, you should only have so many seabits of
[56:14] Speaker 1: you know, of radiation exposure in any one year. Because
[56:19] Speaker 1: I fly a lot, which is like every week, I
[56:21] Speaker 1: get certain amount of seabits. And I've actually done the
[56:24] Speaker 1: calculation where I'm at in terms of MRIs X rays
[56:30] Speaker 1: you know, aeroplanes and watching everyone experiences just at sea level,
[56:35] Speaker 1: and I'm getting close to the actium for any one year.
[56:38] Speaker 1: Hopefully it doesn't roll over to another year anyway, So
[56:42] Speaker 1: I don't want to have to go get any more
[56:43] Speaker 1: of those things done for a while. But I've had
[56:45] Speaker 1: that done so we can give that to the doctors too.
[56:49] Speaker 1: So that's funny. I was talking to the Eurosinist guy
[56:52] Speaker 1: and they found a little vein on my brain, one
[56:57] Speaker 1: side of my brain, and and the report said this
[57:03] Speaker 1: can be normal, Like it's not a thing that they
[57:06] Speaker 1: have it in levels of alertness high, medium, low, and
[57:09] Speaker 1: they put in a low level. But I didn't really
[57:12] Speaker 1: know who else to ask about it. And I asked
[57:13] Speaker 1: him about it, and he said, should I better see that?
[57:14] Speaker 1: I want to see the image because I was talking about,
[57:18] Speaker 1: you know, Alzheimer's and stuff like that. So interesting to
[57:21] Speaker 1: see what he said. I haven't said to him yet.
[57:24] Speaker 1: He's got to say about that, but I'm digressing. Episode
[57:27] Speaker 1: episode two. I've got a guest that we can reach
[57:31] Speaker 1: out to and his name. His name is Matthew Keinan.
[57:36] Speaker 1: Matthew's the CEO of Neuer, which is a facility that's
[57:41] Speaker 1: newly built in Ramwick, which is part of the Royal
[57:46] Speaker 1: Prince Wali's Hospital and the University of South walest He's
[57:50] Speaker 1: an accomplished neuroscientist. He's also a medical practitioner, but he
[58:00] Speaker 1: he's the whole program out there and one of the
[58:01] Speaker 1: things he looks at is dementia. And as I understand it,
[58:04] Speaker 1: dementia is one of the most highly googled items for
[58:11] Speaker 1: people over sixty years of age. So that's one of
[58:12] Speaker 1: the biggest concerns of people over sixty. If I ask
[58:15] Speaker 1: any of my mates, what do you think of worries,
[58:17] Speaker 1: your most as you get older. They say dementia, everyone
[58:21] Speaker 1: of them, and it bothers me to So I think
[58:27] Speaker 1: we should do some episodes on the four big things,
[58:29] Speaker 1: four big killers, you're degenerative diseases, So we can talk
[58:33] Speaker 1: to him about generally that, but in particular dementia when
[58:36] Speaker 1: it comes to me, and given I've put myself in
[58:39] Speaker 1: not in such a great position relative to what might
[58:44] Speaker 1: sort of fast tracked dementia in terms of brain trauma,
[58:50] Speaker 1: is that like specifically the head yep yep, yep, and
[58:55] Speaker 1: mini concussions probably the best way. But I've had major
[58:57] Speaker 1: ones too, but I've had lots of mini ones, thousands
[58:59] Speaker 1: of them, literally thousands of them. So I reckon Alzheimer's
[59:06] Speaker 1: dash dementia would be a good one to kick off,
[59:09] Speaker 1: but but as a broader part of the neuro degenderaty disease,
[59:12] Speaker 1: which includes Parkinson's model neurone disease which killed my mother
[59:15] Speaker 1: and also you know, model scuroses, those sorts of things.
[59:19] Speaker 1: Just talking about that sort of stuff, he'd be great
[59:22] Speaker 1: to talk to, and I know him quite well. He
[59:23] Speaker 1: actually treated my mother for MOTS motor neurine disease when
[59:27] Speaker 1: she had it, and he was at the Brain and
[59:28] Speaker 1: Mind Center in those days. That's in the university, and
[59:32] Speaker 1: he's going to do a whole lot of tests on me.
[59:33] Speaker 1: So I'm actually currently going through that process now more
[59:37] Speaker 1: more about me just knowing what's going on. So what happens.
[59:41] Speaker 1: I have the E four alil for which is a
[59:47] Speaker 1: you know, can be a marker or a correl has
[59:50] Speaker 1: a correlation and a sort of causation of a correlation
[59:52] Speaker 1: to dementia.
[59:53] Speaker 8: Is that both alil's or just one?
[59:55] Speaker 1: Okay, I both so, which is something I just found
[59:59] Speaker 1: out about. So, but he wants me to do some
[1:00:01] Speaker 1: glucose monitoring. He wants me to go and get a
[1:00:05] Speaker 1: glucose test. Weird. He wants just he I have the
[1:00:13] Speaker 1: thickening of the tendons in my hands, which is known
[1:00:17] Speaker 1: as the Viking dream. But he says there's some relationship
[1:00:21] Speaker 1: between that and dementia as well, And that's actually happened
[1:00:24] Speaker 1: to me over the last and one hand has happened
[1:00:26] Speaker 1: to me over the last eighty months. It's got quite
[1:00:27] Speaker 1: thick and quite sore. My grandfather was a diabetic and
[1:00:34] Speaker 1: a type two diabetic diet from diabetes from a metabolic disease.
[1:00:39] Speaker 1: So it's in my family. So these are really interesting things.
[1:00:42] Speaker 1: And he talks about lipoprotein markers in your blood, and
[1:00:50] Speaker 1: so he'd be really good to talk about that whole
[1:00:53] Speaker 1: general neurogenitive stuff. I reckon that could be a good episode,
[1:00:56] Speaker 1: but also access for us.
[1:00:58] Speaker 5: Do you think he will talk about whether it's like
[1:01:00] Speaker 5: all those things are hereditary and well.
[1:01:02] Speaker 1: Definitely, yeah. Yeah. So I've also gone and done a
[1:01:08] Speaker 1: little while ago. I went a guy coming out show.
[1:01:10] Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys around in that those days,
[1:01:13] Speaker 1: but a guy coming to show. His name is Matt
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: Kean he e O, and Matt was the CEO and
[1:01:19] Speaker 1: founder of a business called Genus spelled g E n
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: I E coupital U Capital s, which was a business
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: that was going around looking at biomarkers for newer generative diseases.
[1:01:32] Speaker 1: And so I actually he's no longer the CEO, but
[1:01:35] Speaker 1: I actually met it with it yesterday and he's still involved,
[1:01:40] Speaker 1: but he's not the running it anymore. And I got
[1:01:43] Speaker 1: him two years ago and he's got known to the
[1:01:50] Speaker 1: brand of mindset, but I got him to do blood
[1:01:53] Speaker 1: tests to look at all the genetic mapping that they've
[1:01:56] Speaker 1: done for mutations around things like M and D park
[1:02:00] Speaker 1: because it's mode of grotius of dementia. I'm going to
[1:02:03] Speaker 1: get the report. I can't find the bloody report. I'm
[1:02:05] Speaker 1: going to get the report sent off to Matthew at
[1:02:10] Speaker 1: euro so we can build a whole big picture about
[1:02:14] Speaker 1: the sort of stuff you can go and get done.
[1:02:17] Speaker 1: It's not that expensive if you're worried about it, it's
[1:02:19] Speaker 1: definitely not expensive. And just see what it all means.
[1:02:23] Speaker 1: So to answer your questions, and it is about peace
[1:02:26] Speaker 1: of mind. It's also about having baselines so you know,
[1:02:30] Speaker 1: if there's a change in a couple years time, and
[1:02:32] Speaker 1: what are the things I need? You know, what do
[1:02:33] Speaker 1: I need to be looking at to see if there
[1:02:35] Speaker 1: are there any changes Because there's a big topic at
[1:02:38] Speaker 1: the moment and you know, rugularly plays to about a concussion.
[1:02:42] Speaker 1: You know, dementia. You know we've got some. I got
[1:02:45] Speaker 1: you good mates have got dementia now from playing footy.
[1:02:49] Speaker 8: And people who've been in big car accidents.
[1:02:52] Speaker 1: It's not just footy.
[1:02:53] Speaker 7: We have had you know, DV. It's it's really unfortunate, especially.
[1:02:58] Speaker 1: With DV and you know, even little little kids falling
[1:03:02] Speaker 1: over or older adults falling over and hit in the head,
[1:03:05] Speaker 1: and what are we looking for here? And so I
[1:03:08] Speaker 1: think that's a really good topic and a new degenerative
[1:03:11] Speaker 1: diseases and hey, you've lived your life and you know
[1:03:15] Speaker 1: what net effects and what should I be looking for?
[1:03:17] Speaker 2: You know?
[1:03:18] Speaker 1: And are there cures for? These are not cures, but
[1:03:20] Speaker 1: are the things that will optimize your life during that period.
[1:03:24] Speaker 1: There's been a recent discovery or a recent medical discovery
[1:03:28] Speaker 1: around a new pill that helps dementia. So episode after
[1:03:33] Speaker 1: that will be cardiology, so we get a cardiologist, and
[1:03:37] Speaker 1: then we need to talk to someone about cancer. I
[1:03:39] Speaker 1: mean cancer is like all pervasive. Of course, that's the
[1:03:42] Speaker 1: second biggest killing in the world. Done we need to
[1:03:45] Speaker 1: find we'll get something from St. Vincent's to talk about that.
[1:03:48] Speaker 1: And then I think we need to talk to someone
[1:03:50] Speaker 1: about metabolic disease. So we should just cover off the
[1:03:53] Speaker 1: three main things. After that, sleep so we should talk
[1:03:56] Speaker 1: to someone about legacy of expert if you want one
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: of those places where the put all the things on
[1:04:02] Speaker 1: me and do a sleep analysis of me, and then exercise.
[1:04:08] Speaker 1: And Andy Gulpin, who's also like consider one of the
[1:04:13] Speaker 1: best but he's also know, he's been on all the shows.
[1:04:16] Speaker 1: He come back to us and he said, what is
[1:04:18] Speaker 1: he coming in? I wasn't sure it was a bot
[1:04:20] Speaker 1: saying it though, because I know, because I thought it
[1:04:24] Speaker 1: was a bot type sound. But because I send him
[1:04:26] Speaker 1: a note on Instagram to come in pretty quick.
[1:04:29] Speaker 9: That sounds like a legally binding agreement.
[1:04:30] Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, it is. But then I went back
[1:04:33] Speaker 1: to him, but I would mind traveling over there for
[1:04:36] Speaker 1: some of these things, if you know, because that's actually
[1:04:39] Speaker 1: pretty good content. We can get into their territory.
[1:04:41] Speaker 9: Like Jane's agreeing with that.
[1:04:44] Speaker 1: Put put me through. You said, yes, say if we
[1:04:46] Speaker 1: go there, you're.
[1:04:47] Speaker 9: Come coming mate, I'm telling about that. You want to
[1:04:50] Speaker 9: do the test, I want to do everything. Yeah, I
[1:04:55] Speaker 9: got self interest in this.
[1:04:57] Speaker 1: Well, that old horse cell call self interest is in
[1:04:59] Speaker 1: every race another day exactly every race. And yeah, and
[1:05:01] Speaker 1: he gets whiped pretty hard towards the end. So and
[1:05:03] Speaker 1: and and then a nutrition discussion about what you know,
[1:05:07] Speaker 1: what is I mean, I don't even know what nutrition is.
[1:05:08] Speaker 1: And supplements, nutrition supplements, they sort of go hand in hand.
[1:05:12] Speaker 6: I think I think it's important as well, the financial
[1:05:15] Speaker 6: side of things.
[1:05:16] Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe they should be. There are multis these guys.
[1:05:19] Speaker 1: They've got some serious coin, you know, just for every day. Yeah,
[1:05:23] Speaker 1: you know what, how much is this going to cost us?
[1:05:25] Speaker 1: You know I reached that book clithero.
[1:05:28] Speaker 2: Now.
[1:05:28] Speaker 1: I know a lot of people don't know who he is, right,
[1:05:29] Speaker 1: you guys, probably fourdo does. But Paul's like about my age,
[1:05:34] Speaker 1: maybe not sure, but he used to run a think
[1:05:37] Speaker 1: he show called The Money Show in Australia Channel nine.
[1:05:41] Speaker 1: He's one of the most accomplished financial planners because it's
[1:05:43] Speaker 1: about planning, having enough coin for when you need to
[1:05:49] Speaker 1: do all this ship like you know, they might new
[1:05:51] Speaker 1: take someblings who might need to employ a personal trainer
[1:05:54] Speaker 1: for something or whatever, personalized things like Madie're saying before,
[1:05:57] Speaker 1: how do you personalize these things? You need people to
[1:05:59] Speaker 1: help you. You need coin to do that. It's not
[1:06:02] Speaker 1: cheap and I don't think it's ever been calculated. You know,
[1:06:07] Speaker 1: this is maybe a thing we can talk to the
[1:06:08] Speaker 1: government about too. But like you guys made seruation compulsory,
[1:06:15] Speaker 1: which is a great thing. Good on your poor keeping.
[1:06:18] Speaker 1: But it was in the nineties when we're only at
[1:06:19] Speaker 1: that point. We're only going to live to eighty in
[1:06:22] Speaker 1: the ninety nineties introduced it, and so when they did
[1:06:25] Speaker 1: the calculation, they said, everyone's going to stop working at
[1:06:27] Speaker 1: sixty five. So if we put out, you know, twelve
[1:06:31] Speaker 1: percent of your wages, make an assumption where your wages
[1:06:33] Speaker 1: and what the wage rises will be, will build a
[1:06:36] Speaker 1: model that says, when Maddie turns sixty five, she'll have
[1:06:40] Speaker 1: enough money as a result of twelve percent of for
[1:06:42] Speaker 1: something been put away by her employer, she'll have enough
[1:06:45] Speaker 1: money to retire comfortably. But comfortably means the assumption amount
[1:06:51] Speaker 1: comfortable said, she'll lift to eighty one and not much
[1:06:53] Speaker 1: more if all of a sudden because of health tech
[1:06:58] Speaker 1: and these sorts of showsyone else's shows that we started
[1:07:01] Speaker 1: into one hundred. Where we going to get the extra
[1:07:04] Speaker 1: twenty years? Where the money from? And that's a question
[1:07:07] Speaker 1: no one's really answered.
[1:07:09] Speaker 3: Yeah, and at that stage of your life as well, you know,
[1:07:12] Speaker 3: rather than going to age care, you know, the ultimate
[1:07:15] Speaker 3: thing that government wants his people to stay in their
[1:07:18] Speaker 3: homes as long as possible. And so if you need
[1:07:21] Speaker 3: some hired help in at some stage, or you don't
[1:07:23] Speaker 3: have family around his support, like that's when you really
[1:07:26] Speaker 3: need money at that back end, Like yes, to be
[1:07:29] Speaker 3: able to afford this stuff at the moment. But as
[1:07:31] Speaker 3: you say, if you do live in extra fifteen years,
[1:07:34] Speaker 3: you need a budget for that.
[1:07:35] Speaker 9: Like that's the time you don't really need help, you know, on.
[1:07:40] Speaker 1: That thesis I just went through, then you could have
[1:07:42] Speaker 1: no money. You can actually spend all your money by
[1:07:44] Speaker 1: Tommy Rady.
[1:07:45] Speaker 5: Which needs to be thought of as like an expense
[1:07:47] Speaker 5: where you have like rent, food and groceries, and then
[1:07:52] Speaker 5: like this is almost like a cut of your pay
[1:07:55] Speaker 5: to put towards this.
[1:07:56] Speaker 2: Sort of thing.
[1:07:56] Speaker 1: I think a new model. It needs to be remodeled.
[1:07:58] Speaker 1: That's the point. I think we're still living in the
[1:08:01] Speaker 1: nineties today economically in terms of how we are preparing
[1:08:07] Speaker 1: for our retirement. Now, Australia is the world supermodel when
[1:08:12] Speaker 1: it comes to making sure that we have enough money
[1:08:15] Speaker 1: when we retired. Most of the countries what they rely
[1:08:18] Speaker 1: on as the pensions scheme of in the country and
[1:08:20] Speaker 1: that's just a massive toll on the government. Australia's we're
[1:08:24] Speaker 1: considered to be one of the best in the world.
[1:08:27] Speaker 1: But I'm now saying it.
[1:08:28] Speaker 9: So you say the maths is wrong, Like the model
[1:08:30] Speaker 9: is wrong. The model is wrong.
[1:08:31] Speaker 1: If we live longer because the model is based on
[1:08:35] Speaker 1: the average life as this a mathematical model, and you
[1:08:38] Speaker 1: put some assumptions in. One of the assumptions is that
[1:08:41] Speaker 1: we live on average to eighty one and we'll retire
[1:08:43] Speaker 1: sixty five and the average wages blah, and we put
[1:08:47] Speaker 1: and the other assumptions we're going to put two percent away.
[1:08:49] Speaker 1: So answer your question, Max, maybe the government has changed
[1:08:52] Speaker 1: superhirationals say, look you can if you put in twelve
[1:08:56] Speaker 1: percent from your employee, you can put another two percent
[1:08:58] Speaker 1: in yourself or whatever. That's tax reduction to at the
[1:09:01] Speaker 1: moment's not. Maybe they need to encourage us to prepare
[1:09:06] Speaker 1: to live a longer period. And maybe this is something
[1:09:09] Speaker 1: when maybe there needs to be some research on aalism.
[1:09:11] Speaker 1: And perhaps we might even go to GOUM and say
[1:09:12] Speaker 1: we need a grant to work through.
[1:09:15] Speaker 2: This process, the project one hundred grant.
[1:09:18] Speaker 1: Why not maybe we'll get some you know, I'll put
[1:09:21] Speaker 1: some money, we get some other people put some money,
[1:09:23] Speaker 1: and we'll we'll make a grant in order for some
[1:09:26] Speaker 1: more research on this stuff.
[1:09:28] Speaker 3: Just on that as well, I find, you know, when
[1:09:31] Speaker 3: I speak to people close to me at Max's age,
[1:09:36] Speaker 3: like when I asked them about, like what they're striving for.
[1:09:38] Speaker 3: Financial security is a really important thing for them, and
[1:09:42] Speaker 3: as well, you know, owning, getting onto the property ladder.
[1:09:44] Speaker 3: You know, it's increasingly difficult to do that these days
[1:09:47] Speaker 3: for young people. But I think as well, like going
[1:09:51] Speaker 3: into this again, the world's changed, and this whole new
[1:09:54] Speaker 3: generation coming through a sort of cluing onto going they
[1:09:57] Speaker 3: don't want to go and work for the big guy
[1:09:59] Speaker 3: for the next for forty five years and then over that
[1:10:02] Speaker 3: period hopefully get a couple of couple of promotions and
[1:10:05] Speaker 3: then get to a point and realize they've sort of
[1:10:07] Speaker 3: waste their life. They've clued on to trying to have
[1:10:09] Speaker 3: a bit more balance. But obviously that with that approach,
[1:10:14] Speaker 3: you're you know, you're not working hard and trying to
[1:10:18] Speaker 3: climb the ladder. So I think it's even people at
[1:10:21] Speaker 3: Max's age and in their twenties of going what do
[1:10:24] Speaker 3: I need to do now in terms of understanding like
[1:10:27] Speaker 3: how to invest in the right way, how to get
[1:10:31] Speaker 3: in the property market, all those types of things, Because
[1:10:33] Speaker 3: if you build those right financial foundations in your late
[1:10:37] Speaker 3: twenties early thirties, like you know, when you do hit
[1:10:40] Speaker 3: sixty five, rather than getting to fifty five and thinking, shit,
[1:10:44] Speaker 3: I need to take my health and wealth seriously, Like how.
[1:10:48] Speaker 9: Do young people who are clued on.
[1:10:50] Speaker 2: To go well?
[1:10:51] Speaker 3: As you say, like, there needs to be a strategy
[1:10:53] Speaker 3: with this, you know, not just the health side of things, but.
[1:10:55] Speaker 1: Well strategy, the well strategy. And it's funny, as you'd say,
[1:10:57] Speaker 1: because as you know, I did something with after pay
[1:11:00] Speaker 1: the other day, and they just commissioned a study on
[1:11:03] Speaker 1: gen Z, which is many of the people in this room,
[1:11:06] Speaker 1: excluding you and Ironing and the massive disconnect between gen
[1:11:12] Speaker 1: Z and older generations, all older generations, and how gen
[1:11:17] Speaker 1: Z wants to run their life, their work life and
[1:11:21] Speaker 1: their personal life, how they feel as though the disconnect
[1:11:26] Speaker 1: between them and the cost living and the let's call
[1:11:29] Speaker 1: the property market and actually having enough money when they retire,
[1:11:32] Speaker 1: and what does retirement look like? It's crazy, like it's
[1:11:35] Speaker 1: and retailers, all retailers and governments are not addressing it.
[1:11:39] Speaker 1: By the time twenty thirty comes along, there'll be a
[1:11:42] Speaker 1: whole new way of retailers. Like after people like after pay,
[1:11:47] Speaker 1: after pay is not a buy and now pay later business.
[1:11:49] Speaker 1: After pays actually has tapped into young people don't want
[1:11:53] Speaker 1: to borrow money, but they still want to buy that thing.
[1:11:55] Speaker 2: Yeah, wait, what was the disconnected? That was?
[1:11:58] Speaker 9: It?
[1:11:58] Speaker 2: Just different mindset between.
[1:11:59] Speaker 1: Total mindsets and what Neck's done and what I've done
[1:12:03] Speaker 1: is sort of unreachable right to some extent. And I
[1:12:07] Speaker 1: think governments need to start to address this, and so
[1:12:10] Speaker 1: it's not only talking about we've got a government's got
[1:12:13] Speaker 1: to accept that people in gen Z will live longer
[1:12:19] Speaker 1: and may well be running into a big problem, especially
[1:12:22] Speaker 1: if they can't get on the property ladder because they
[1:12:25] Speaker 1: won't have anywhere to live. And we all know what
[1:12:27] Speaker 1: rents are doing. So you don't want to be turning
[1:12:29] Speaker 1: seventy and maybe have a little bit of illiness, but
[1:12:33] Speaker 1: be okay, I'm going to live to a ninety and
[1:12:36] Speaker 1: be still renting.
[1:12:38] Speaker 3: And there's less opportunity these days as well, because you
[1:12:41] Speaker 3: know the way that businesses are downsizing and bringing in
[1:12:44] Speaker 3: AI and bots and different things as well, Like, there
[1:12:47] Speaker 3: is genuinely less opportunity. When I left school twenty seven
[1:12:51] Speaker 3: years ago, there was just so much opportunity. People can
[1:12:54] Speaker 3: go out and get jobs in banking, finance and construction
[1:12:57] Speaker 3: and insurance and trades and you know, going to university.
[1:13:01] Speaker 3: But there's a completely different mindset these days.
[1:13:04] Speaker 1: So I think we needed I think that needs to
[1:13:06] Speaker 1: be talked about.
[1:13:06] Speaker 9: It.
[1:13:07] Speaker 1: It's a little bit outside the health spans stuff, but
[1:13:10] Speaker 1: it's about how do you afford afford health span lifespan
[1:13:14] Speaker 1: and who's addressing this, like whose responsibility is not Like
[1:13:18] Speaker 1: a lot of people know why Pool King, But one
[1:13:20] Speaker 1: thing about he is smart and had courage, And it
[1:13:25] Speaker 1: takes a lot of courage to launch what he launched
[1:13:27] Speaker 1: because he had to confront employers and say you now
[1:13:29] Speaker 1: will take nine percent super innovation out and you'll pay
[1:13:32] Speaker 1: it for your your employees. It's like a tax on employers.
[1:13:37] Speaker 1: But I actually think it was a good thing to do.
[1:13:39] Speaker 1: Do a lot of courage, you know, and I'll be
[1:13:42] Speaker 1: just super the government's current governments via the Color are
[1:13:46] Speaker 1: prepared to have that courage and address this issue. I
[1:13:49] Speaker 1: think we actually going to uncover a big issue, a
[1:13:52] Speaker 1: really big issue, affordability of living healthily, especially like our
[1:13:57] Speaker 1: general that's so interesting. We should be just nignized generation
[1:14:00] Speaker 1: being able to enjoy this new thing called health span
[1:14:04] Speaker 1: because you guys are going to actually live longer than
[1:14:07] Speaker 1: all of us, just naturally. But the question is, are
[1:14:11] Speaker 1: you equipped to live it the way we will live it.
[1:14:15] Speaker 3: And do you reckon then from a government perspective, that
[1:14:17] Speaker 3: they would recognize that this new generation coming through is
[1:14:21] Speaker 3: going to put less strain on the health system. You know,
[1:14:23] Speaker 3: if more and more people are aware of their health
[1:14:27] Speaker 3: and fitness and those types of things, is that going
[1:14:30] Speaker 3: to affect long term the way that you know, if
[1:14:33] Speaker 3: there's less and less obesity and diabetes and all these
[1:14:36] Speaker 3: different things going on, because you know, a lot more
[1:14:40] Speaker 3: health conscious.
[1:14:41] Speaker 2: You know.
[1:14:41] Speaker 9: Anyway, these are all things to.
[1:14:43] Speaker 1: This is cool stuff. So we're going to a bit
[1:14:45] Speaker 1: of funber this.
[1:14:45] Speaker 3: I was going to suggest as we go through this journey,
[1:14:47] Speaker 3: we should do this catch up throughout the journey because
[1:14:51] Speaker 3: I think it's as the more discovery and we start
[1:14:53] Speaker 3: digging the episodes.
[1:14:54] Speaker 1: And you've got let's find out what we've discovered. Y.
[1:14:57] Speaker 1: I agree. Let's sit down and get a couple of
[1:15:00] Speaker 1: episodes out and just sit back and say, Okay, what
[1:15:04] Speaker 1: do we learn from that people might be interested to
[1:15:05] Speaker 1: see what they might be They might get our followers
[1:15:08] Speaker 1: might come back and say, well can you look at
[1:15:09] Speaker 1: this stuff? And then we should have I don't know
[1:15:11] Speaker 1: if you're going to open a section where people can
[1:15:12] Speaker 1: actually say what they would like us to address.
[1:15:15] Speaker 9: What do you want to know one hundred? Here we can.
[1:15:20] Speaker 1: They got us a long way off for most of us. Well,
[1:15:24] Speaker 1: thanks guys. That's going to be great. I'm pretty pumped.

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