# Is Novak as Competitive as Michael Jordan? Untold Federer Stories & ATP Bar Fight Draft | EP 206

An episode of [Nothing Major](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1756744318), 20 Aug 2026, 52 min.

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Submit your questions or life advice to Nothing Major through the fan participation section at https://www.nothingmajorshow.com/ On this Thursday episode of Nothing Major, Sam, John, and Stevie sit down with director Jason Hehir (The Last Dance) to break down his new Amazon feature doc Novak Djokovic: The Wolf in Winter. Hehir explains how the project began in 2017, how he came aboard in 2023, the challenges of filming a story unfolding in real time, and why the original concept “The Two Novaks” evolved into The Wolf in Winter. They also discuss the trust-building process with Novak, the similarities and differences between Djokovic and Michael Jordan, and what surprised Hehir most about Novak as a father and competitor. Plus, the guys launch a new Sam segment: a snake draft of current top-100 players they least want on their team in a pool-table bar fight. Finally, they preview Roger Federer’s upcoming Hall of Fame induction, sharing behind-the-scenes stories about how approachable and normal Roger is off court. 00:00 Show Intro and Preview 01:26 Jason Hehir Joins 01:48 How the Doc Began 04:56 Tennis Background and Early Career 06:35 Building the Story Live 11:32 Budget and Scope Choices 13:17 Why Wolf in Winter 17:12 Novak Off Court 19:46 Mindset and Self Rivalry 21:45 Jordan vs Novak Comparisons 27:15 Final Cut and Notes 29:56 Crashing the Big Three Party 31:55 Interview Wrap and Reactions 34:31 Sam Bar Fight Draft 36:07 Nice Guys Draft Picks 36:35 More Soft Picks 37:38 Novak Debate 38:26 Colman Wong Pick 41:55 Federer Hall Of Fame 43:33 Federer Stories 45:38 Exhibition Travel Tales 49:17 Who Introduces Roger 49:59 Wrap Up And Rage Bait See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: All right, everyone, welcome back to Nothing Major. I got
[0:02] Speaker 1: a Thursday episode. We're in the middle of Cincinnati. We're
[0:06] Speaker 1: getting closer to the end, so we're not going to
[0:08] Speaker 1: really hit on Cincy too much this week, but we
[0:10] Speaker 1: have an awesome interview with Jason Hare, the director of
[0:13] Speaker 1: The Last Dance with Jordan and The Wolf of Winter,
[0:16] Speaker 1: obviously the new Novak documentary. We've got another Sam segment
[0:19] Speaker 1: that we will get into, so you've got to just
[0:21] Speaker 1: stay tuned for that. It takes a turn. And plus,
[0:24] Speaker 1: we start to preview Roger's induction to the Hall of Fame.
[0:28] Speaker 1: No surprise that he was a first-time getting-in guy with
[0:32] Speaker 1: his resume. So with that, let's get into the show.
[0:35] Speaker 2: Jack Jones, Stevie and Sam. Got close a few times,
[0:39] Speaker 2: never won a slam. Nothing major. Everyone, we are back.
[0:43] Speaker 1: Thank you to the suits at SIFT and Charlie Fox,
[0:46] Speaker 1: Sam Querrey, John Isner, everybody joining us for this Thursday episode.
[0:49] Speaker 1: We are going to kick it off right away. We
[0:51] Speaker 1: are going to get to Jason Hare, the director of
[0:54] Speaker 1: the Novak documentary, The Wolf of Winter. Thought it was
[0:57] Speaker 1: a phenomenal... show. It is out now, I believe, on Amazon.
[1:01] Speaker 1: So with that, let's get into this phenomenal interview.
[1:04] Speaker 3: Take care of your body. Take care of yourself, your mind.
[1:08] Speaker 3: We were learning about importance of listening to classical music,
[1:11] Speaker 3: importance of knowing how to relax, knowing how to breathe.
[1:16] Speaker 3: She said, I should approach tennis in such a way
[1:20] Speaker 3: that I don't want to have only one shot at Wimbledon,
[1:24] Speaker 3: but multiple shots at Wimbledon.
[1:26] Speaker 2: All right, everyone. We have a very special guest today,
[1:29] Speaker 2: Jason Hare. Jason is the director of The Last Dance
[1:32] Speaker 2: with Michael Jordan, but more importantly, the director of The
[1:35] Speaker 2: Wolf in Winter, the new Novak Djokovic documentary that just
[1:40] Speaker 2: came out on Amazon recently. I watched it yesterday on
[1:42] Speaker 2: the flight. It's amazing. Jason, thanks for joining Nothing Major.
[1:46] Speaker 2: Happy to be here.
[1:47] Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.
[1:48] Speaker 2: First question, when a documentary like this comes about is
[1:51] Speaker 2: this something like you had seeked out wanting to direct
[1:55] Speaker 2: this story is this something novak kind of spearheads is
[1:58] Speaker 2: it something amazon spearheads how does it first kind of
[2:01] Speaker 2: get some legs they came.
[2:03] Speaker 4: To me i mean they came to me in 2023
[2:06] Speaker 4: and when i say they i think it's a combination
[2:08] Speaker 4: of novak's team and and um amazon and i'm not
[2:12] Speaker 4: sure because that team is kind of uh It's complicated
[2:19] Speaker 4: because it started in 2017, this project. And I was
[2:21] Speaker 4: only told this when I sat down for lunch with them.
[2:24] Speaker 4: But they said, we started rolling cameras in 2017. It's now,
[2:27] Speaker 4: back then it was September 2023. It was during the
[2:30] Speaker 4: US Open in 23. And they kind of gave me
[2:34] Speaker 4: the sordid tale of the ups and downs and fits
[2:37] Speaker 4: and starts and then COVID and everything unraveling there.
[2:42] Speaker 2: The backstory.
[2:43] Speaker 4: They had a rough cut assembled already so I could
[2:46] Speaker 4: see what kind of footage they had. And they kind
[2:49] Speaker 4: of said, like, you can use some of the footage
[2:50] Speaker 4: that we've been shooting. You could use all of it.
[2:54] Speaker 4: Or maybe you could just start fresh. But they kind
[2:59] Speaker 4: of left it open-ended because I think they were looking
[3:00] Speaker 4: for a director that they could kind of mesh with
[3:05] Speaker 4: and saw the story the same way. So I initially
[3:09] Speaker 4: was just a little bit lukewarm on it because... I
[3:14] Speaker 4: knew Novak just the way that any sports fan knows
[3:16] Speaker 4: Novak through the news and through the media and through
[3:18] Speaker 4: his depiction in the media. And I thought, you know,
[3:22] Speaker 4: as fascinating a guy as he seems, if he is
[3:25] Speaker 4: a nightmare, I don't want to put myself through that
[3:27] Speaker 4: for a year or two or however long it takes
[3:29] Speaker 4: to do these things. Um, so I figured, you know what, let's,
[3:32] Speaker 4: let's give him a chance, give his team a chance
[3:34] Speaker 4: and see, uh, see how they are and see how
[3:37] Speaker 4: we get along. And, um, from the outset, I was, um,
[3:43] Speaker 4: really impressed by him and his curiosity and his friendliness
[3:47] Speaker 4: and his understanding of the process and his curiosity about
[3:51] Speaker 4: the process. Like he wasn't asking me how we make
[3:54] Speaker 4: one of these documentaries because he wanted to control the
[3:56] Speaker 4: doc or he wanted to make sure that I was
[3:58] Speaker 4: going to put in what he wanted to put in.
[3:59] Speaker 4: He was genuinely curious about how do you go about researching?
[4:03] Speaker 4: What research have you done? How do you decide who
[4:06] Speaker 4: you're going to interview? How many interviews do you think
[4:08] Speaker 4: you'll need with me? Where do you want to shoot
[4:10] Speaker 4: and why? he was always game for us shooting with
[4:13] Speaker 4: him as long as I could tell him why we're
[4:15] Speaker 4: doing this. So it's like, Hey, can we be in
[4:18] Speaker 4: the car with you after the match? How do you
[4:20] Speaker 4: think you want to use it? Like, why do you
[4:21] Speaker 4: want to be there? And again, it wasn't to police
[4:23] Speaker 4: the content. It was, he just wants, he's very matter
[4:26] Speaker 4: of fact, as you can imagine, it has a system
[4:29] Speaker 4: for everything he does. But if you gave him a
[4:32] Speaker 4: good reason why you want it to be in his backyard,
[4:35] Speaker 4: Melbourne and his rental house with his son playing tennis
[4:38] Speaker 4: on an off day, then he would, he was on board.
[4:41] Speaker 4: So it's, With a person like that, you have to
[4:45] Speaker 4: build trust brick by brick. And it's not until you
[4:48] Speaker 4: have that wall of trust that you can actually start
[4:51] Speaker 4: to roll cameras and get something that's different than the
[4:54] Speaker 4: average crew would get meeting in the first day.
[4:56] Speaker 2: How much tennis did you know? Did you have a
[4:59] Speaker 2: tennis background at all before taking on this project?
[5:02] Speaker 4: Not really. I mean, I'm a huge sports fan, so
[5:07] Speaker 4: I know tennis well. Grew up watching Breakfast at Wimbledon.
[5:12] Speaker 4: the majors. And, you know, I was a kid when
[5:15] Speaker 4: Connors and McEnroe were big and Becker when he first
[5:17] Speaker 4: came on and then watched like Sampras and Agassi all
[5:20] Speaker 4: through the year. So I knew, I knew enough about tennis. Um,
[5:24] Speaker 4: but I didn't really know the landscape, the current landscape.
[5:27] Speaker 4: I knew who Novak was obviously. And I knew that he,
[5:29] Speaker 4: he had broken the record for all time majors, uh,
[5:32] Speaker 4: or was about to, um, I guess when I first
[5:35] Speaker 4: met him, um, and I knew Rafa and Roger, but
[5:38] Speaker 4: I didn't watch every single tournament. Like I wouldn't have
[5:40] Speaker 4: been watching Cincinnati, uh, this weekend or, or, you know,
[5:44] Speaker 4: a few years ago, I wouldn't even know that they
[5:45] Speaker 4: existed to be honest with you. My first job in
[5:47] Speaker 4: television was as a runner, um, at Wimbledon, right out
[5:52] Speaker 4: of college, uh, NBC sports hired me to go over
[5:56] Speaker 4: there and get lunch for the, uh, for the graphics
[5:59] Speaker 4: department and stay overnight and, um, just put together highlights
[6:04] Speaker 4: of the day's matches for the next day's air. Um,
[6:08] Speaker 4: So they had me working double shifts, a guy named
[6:10] Speaker 4: Sam Flood, who's now one of the guys who runs
[6:12] Speaker 4: NBC Sports. He was producing the late night show at
[6:14] Speaker 4: Wimbledon that year when I graduated. That was in 1998.
[6:18] Speaker 4: So my first job. And then when I started doing
[6:20] Speaker 4: graphics live in the truck, it was at Roland Garros
[6:22] Speaker 4: and it was at Wimbledon for a couple of years.
[6:24] Speaker 4: So I came up that way, but I wasn't a
[6:27] Speaker 4: guy who followed every single tournament and knew all the
[6:30] Speaker 4: stats and knew the history the way that I would for, say,
[6:32] Speaker 4: like basketball, baseball, football.
[6:34] Speaker 2: Gotcha. But you had a general background. When it came
[6:36] Speaker 2: to making the documentary, Wolf and Winter, what's the process like?
[6:42] Speaker 2: Do you come up with a general outline of how
[6:44] Speaker 2: you feel like the documentary is going to go? Or
[6:47] Speaker 2: does that kind of evolve and change as you start filming?
[6:50] Speaker 2: Like Novak might say something. You're like, you know what?
[6:52] Speaker 2: I want to go back to Serbia in his backyard
[6:55] Speaker 2: and get some of that footage. Or does it change
[6:57] Speaker 2: along the way? Or is it pretty set prior to starting?
[7:00] Speaker 4: Well, I would say you have to have a plan
[7:02] Speaker 4: going in. And if you deviate from that plan, then
[7:06] Speaker 4: something went right. You know that something happened that you
[7:09] Speaker 4: didn't plan to see, but at least at the very
[7:11] Speaker 4: least go in with your like bare bones, worst case scenario.
[7:16] Speaker 4: We have a good enough story here that if everyone
[7:18] Speaker 4: says what we expect them to say, and we don't
[7:20] Speaker 4: learn anything beyond the research that we've done, we can
[7:24] Speaker 4: still make a documentary out of this. And almost every
[7:28] Speaker 4: time someone will say something, a character will pop up,
[7:33] Speaker 4: a piece of footage you'll find will strike a chord
[7:37] Speaker 4: in one of your interview subjects. And then you're off
[7:40] Speaker 4: and running and you have to move one tile to
[7:44] Speaker 4: another place on the bulletin board. And the next thing
[7:46] Speaker 4: you know, that the story is a little bit more
[7:49] Speaker 4: jumbled up and you have to reshuffle the deck. I mean,
[7:52] Speaker 4: with Novak, two things. First of all, we went in,
[7:55] Speaker 4: I wrote a pitch called The Two Novaks. The movie
[7:57] Speaker 4: was going to be called The Two Novaks. And it
[7:59] Speaker 4: was centered around the thesis that you can't be the
[8:02] Speaker 4: best dad in the world and the best tennis player
[8:04] Speaker 4: in the world at the same time. And how was
[8:06] Speaker 4: he grappling with that now that he had won everything
[8:08] Speaker 4: there is to win, had vanquished every opponent except himself,
[8:14] Speaker 4: and had two kids who were coming of age at
[8:17] Speaker 4: home and couldn't spend as much time with them as
[8:19] Speaker 4: he wanted to because he was out there still chasing
[8:21] Speaker 4: greatness on the tennis court. So our first tournament that
[8:26] Speaker 4: we followed him was the U.S. Open 2024 tournament. I
[8:29] Speaker 4: couldn't have anticipated as I was mapping out the story,
[8:32] Speaker 4: which takes months, if not a year, with research and
[8:36] Speaker 4: all that, that he would win the gold medal, that
[8:38] Speaker 4: he would beat Alcaraz in the gold medal match, that
[8:41] Speaker 4: he would tear his knee and have surgery shortly before that,
[8:45] Speaker 4: and that he would come to the US Open exhausted
[8:48] Speaker 4: and get bounced in like the third round, I think
[8:50] Speaker 4: it was, second or third round. Because we had planned
[8:53] Speaker 4: for the spine of the movie to be the US Open.
[8:55] Speaker 2: Gotcha.
[8:55] Speaker 4: So we had to kind of reset after that. And
[8:58] Speaker 4: then I went to Spain right when he had hired...
[9:02] Speaker 4: Andy Murray?
[9:05] Speaker 2: Yeah, sorry.
[9:05] Speaker 4: I kept on thinking Andy Roddick.
[9:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Andy Murray.
[9:09] Speaker 4: News comes out that he hires Murray as his coach.
[9:13] Speaker 4: We go to Spain for the first day of their
[9:15] Speaker 4: training together. That footage that you see on that blue
[9:18] Speaker 4: practice court, that's his first day that he was coaching.
[9:23] Speaker 4: So that was going to be a huge through line
[9:25] Speaker 4: in the story. And we shot with him and interviewed
[9:28] Speaker 4: him and we followed him all the way through Australia
[9:30] Speaker 4: in 2025. And then he kept on threatening to win
[9:34] Speaker 4: more majors. So we couldn't finish the film. If he
[9:36] Speaker 4: was going to win at Roland Garros in 2025, we
[9:39] Speaker 4: can't finish the movie in the beginning of May. And
[9:41] Speaker 4: then it comes out and it's a footnote at the end.
[9:45] Speaker 4: He did the same thing at Wimbledon. And then the
[9:47] Speaker 4: same thing, we were caught in a bind with the
[9:49] Speaker 4: US Open last year as well. So in that time,
[9:52] Speaker 4: as you know, he and Andy parted ways. So that
[9:56] Speaker 4: story was off the table now. I had not been
[10:00] Speaker 4: part of a project where I've had to build the
[10:02] Speaker 4: plane while it was in the air quite the same
[10:04] Speaker 4: as this one. This project for me personally, I mean,
[10:08] Speaker 4: not to mention that it started in 2017, but this
[10:11] Speaker 4: project for me took longer and it's 92 minute film
[10:15] Speaker 4: took longer than the 10-hour last dance.
[10:17] Speaker 2: That's... Wow. Well, I guess most documentaries, you're not doing
[10:21] Speaker 2: a documentary on a current story that's evolving, like you're saying.
[10:25] Speaker 1: Of course.
[10:25] Speaker 2: The last dance, everything was done. Yes.
[10:28] Speaker 4: So when you're doing an archival documentary, the Bulls three-peaked
[10:33] Speaker 4: twice no matter what. No matter who I interviewed, no
[10:35] Speaker 4: matter what happens, and they still win game six in
[10:39] Speaker 4: Utah in 1998, no matter who I talked to. Some
[10:42] Speaker 4: of those interviews may go off on certain tangents and
[10:44] Speaker 4: you may find out that Dennis Rodman went to Vegas
[10:46] Speaker 4: for a few days with no permission. And all of
[10:48] Speaker 4: a sudden you have a story that you have to
[10:49] Speaker 4: end your fourth episode with that. Those are the normal
[10:52] Speaker 4: challenges in making one of these things. This was, we
[10:55] Speaker 4: were living it in real time. It was like, okay,
[10:57] Speaker 4: we're done. He's in the semis. Oh, we got to
[11:01] Speaker 4: get a camera over there. That kept happening. And it's
[11:04] Speaker 4: ironic because we're doing it. We're doing a film that
[11:07] Speaker 4: documents his greatness and tries to dig deep on what
[11:11] Speaker 4: drives him and where that greatness comes from. And the
[11:15] Speaker 4: greatness is the reason why we can't finish the damn
[11:17] Speaker 4: film because he keeps on, he keeps on accomplishing more
[11:19] Speaker 4: and more things and, and threatening to, to win another
[11:23] Speaker 4: grand slam. So it was, uh, that this one you
[11:27] Speaker 4: go in with it with a plan and then you
[11:29] Speaker 4: have to erase it eight or nine times before you're
[11:31] Speaker 4: finally done.
[11:32] Speaker 2: Is there ever like a budget issue or is it just,
[11:35] Speaker 2: Can you just keep going? Hey, oh, he keeps going.
[11:37] Speaker 2: We all got to fly to Australia. Keep going. We
[11:39] Speaker 2: all got to fly to Paris. At what point is
[11:41] Speaker 2: the studio like, yo, we've hit a budget?
[11:43] Speaker 4: I wish we had the execs from Amazon on this
[11:45] Speaker 4: because they'd probably be having an aneurysm on one of
[11:48] Speaker 4: these Zoom screens right now. No, I could not have
[11:52] Speaker 4: asked for another tournament like this. If we were almost
[11:56] Speaker 4: positive he would win the US Open this year, we
[11:58] Speaker 4: had no money left to shoot anything anymore. We had
[12:01] Speaker 4: asked for... Because keep in mind, they had spent a
[12:04] Speaker 4: ton of money on this before I ever came on board.
[12:07] Speaker 1: Right.
[12:07] Speaker 4: And a lot of this, they shot for years. So
[12:10] Speaker 4: imagine the amount of film that was there. I went
[12:14] Speaker 4: into it pretty hell-bent on saying, this is a one episode,
[12:16] Speaker 4: this is a feature-length documentary. We're not trying to tell
[12:19] Speaker 4: the comprehensive life story of Novak Djokovic here. That's for
[12:23] Speaker 4: someone else to do long after he retires, if he
[12:26] Speaker 4: ever retires. This is, I want to do a feature-length
[12:31] Speaker 4: doc about this moment in his career when he is,
[12:33] Speaker 4: as Howard Bryant called it, in the lion and winter
[12:36] Speaker 4: phase of his career. So a lot of that footage
[12:39] Speaker 4: that they shot from, say, 17 to 20 was pretty
[12:43] Speaker 4: much obsolete. I mean, there's footage of him finding out
[12:46] Speaker 4: that he's going to have a daughter. There's footage of
[12:48] Speaker 4: his daughter being born. There's all kinds. I mean, you
[12:50] Speaker 4: saw snippets of it in the very beginning of the doc.
[12:54] Speaker 4: But I'm talking about frames. So I can understand putting
[12:59] Speaker 4: my executive hat on why you would say, all right,
[13:01] Speaker 4: you know what? There's no more water to squeeze from
[13:04] Speaker 4: this rock. We have a film that we're proud of.
[13:07] Speaker 4: Let's stop now. So that's the long answer. But the
[13:11] Speaker 4: short answer is no, there's not. Even at Amazon, there's
[13:14] Speaker 4: not an infinite amount of money that they can spend
[13:16] Speaker 4: on it.
[13:16] Speaker 2: That's fantastic.
[13:17] Speaker 5: Jason, you mentioned that the title you thought of was
[13:21] Speaker 5: The Two Novaks. So how did you guys come to
[13:23] Speaker 5: the title, Novak Djokovic, The Wolf in Winter?
[13:27] Speaker 4: Well, first, The Two Novaks, I have been told by
[13:29] Speaker 4: a lot of people I trust, is kind of cheesy.
[13:32] Speaker 4: So I was like, all right, fair enough. I'm terrible
[13:34] Speaker 4: at titles.
[13:35] Speaker 2: I like The Wolf in Winter better, personally, I think.
[13:37] Speaker 6: You're talking to someone– who did documentaries about the Fab Five,
[13:44] Speaker 6: the 85 Bears, and Andre the Giant, and the titles
[13:47] Speaker 6: were the Fab Five, the 85 Bears, and Andre the Giant.
[13:49] Speaker 4: Titles are not mine.
[13:50] Speaker 2: You know what you're getting with that. Exactly. You do
[13:53] Speaker 2: know what you're getting.
[13:53] Speaker 4: My argument always is that people are going to refer
[13:55] Speaker 4: to it the way they'll refer to it. My friend,
[13:58] Speaker 4: Ezra Edelman, did O.J. Made in America, and people call
[14:00] Speaker 4: it the O.J.
[14:00] Speaker 2: Dog.
[14:01] Speaker 4: It's shorthand. I didn't want to be as lazy as
[14:05] Speaker 4: to call this Novak or Novak Djokovic, but... There's another
[14:09] Speaker 4: reason for that, too, because then we moved on to
[14:11] Speaker 4: The Wolf, which I thought was kind of a cool title.
[14:14] Speaker 4: And he did that howl that you see at the
[14:15] Speaker 4: beginning and end of the film, unrehearsed and unexpected at
[14:19] Speaker 4: the top of a mountain in Montenegro the first day
[14:21] Speaker 4: that we were shooting. He biked to the top of
[14:23] Speaker 4: that mountain and he was guzzling water. And out of nowhere,
[14:26] Speaker 4: I didn't even know that he identified with wolves at
[14:28] Speaker 4: this point. I had just met him. I mean, I
[14:30] Speaker 4: knew from the research, but we had never discussed it.
[14:33] Speaker 4: Out of nowhere, he just lets out two wolf howls,
[14:37] Speaker 4: which our PA was directing traffic down the road to
[14:39] Speaker 4: make sure nobody drove through our shot. And she thought
[14:42] Speaker 4: there was an actual wolf that was out there and
[14:44] Speaker 4: she was unprotected in the wild. So then I thought
[14:48] Speaker 4: the wolf is kind of a cooler title. But if
[14:50] Speaker 4: you call it the wolf or if you call something
[14:53] Speaker 4: just someone's nickname or someone's name, as an audience member,
[14:56] Speaker 4: I would be expecting to see their entire story. I
[14:58] Speaker 4: think the Rafa doc might be called Rafa, right?
[15:00] Speaker 2: I think so. Yeah. We should know that. Yeah, yeah. Probably.
[15:03] Speaker 4: Then I was like, wait, if I was just at
[15:06] Speaker 4: home and saw The Wolf, Novak Djokovic, I would think
[15:09] Speaker 4: this is about his entire life. And then I would
[15:11] Speaker 4: watch it and be like, why is Roger Federer not
[15:13] Speaker 4: in there? Why didn't they dig deeper on the five hour,
[15:18] Speaker 4: six hour, five set match with Rafa in 2012 in Australia?
[15:21] Speaker 4: There's all kinds of aspects of his life and moments
[15:24] Speaker 4: in his life that were not in a 92 minute
[15:26] Speaker 4: film that deserved to be in there. You know, Rafa's
[15:29] Speaker 4: is four hours long and four parts. So we were
[15:32] Speaker 4: always of the agreement that this is not his definitive
[15:38] Speaker 4: life story. It's not meant to be all-encompassing, comprehensive. It's
[15:41] Speaker 4: just meant to be a deep dive into right now.
[15:44] Speaker 4: And all of the backstory elements that we gave you were,
[15:49] Speaker 4: at least in my view, meant to inform you better
[15:52] Speaker 4: as to how he was making these decisions. So I'll
[15:55] Speaker 4: give you an example. Authority or defiance of authority. and
[16:01] Speaker 4: how it relates to COVID and how it relates to
[16:03] Speaker 4: just how he's carried himself over the course of his
[16:06] Speaker 4: career with officials and with executives and all that. As
[16:10] Speaker 4: a kid, he grows up in Serbia under the rule
[16:15] Speaker 4: of a war criminal, Slobodan Milosevic. Then the good guys
[16:20] Speaker 4: come in to save Serbia and Kosovo, the good guys
[16:24] Speaker 4: being NATO and the US. They bomb the hell out
[16:27] Speaker 4: of civil infrastructure of his hometown. And at the same time,
[16:33] Speaker 4: right after that, he has a dad who sends him
[16:35] Speaker 4: off to Germany to learn tennis at a factory. He
[16:39] Speaker 4: loves his dad, but his dad sends him away and says,
[16:42] Speaker 4: we have $ 10 left in the family and you better
[16:45] Speaker 4: come home a champion or else we're all screwed. Knowing
[16:49] Speaker 4: those kind of things, how could he have any trust
[16:51] Speaker 4: in authority? How could he have any understanding or respect
[16:54] Speaker 4: for authority if that's how he grew up? So it
[16:57] Speaker 4: wasn't just a haphazard choice of what we were choosing
[17:01] Speaker 4: to include in his backstory. I was trying to give
[17:03] Speaker 4: more color to the story that we were telling at
[17:06] Speaker 4: that particular moment in his life and in his career.
[17:09] Speaker 2: That Is remarkable. Well done.
[17:12] Speaker 5: So we all know Novak, the three of us in particular,
[17:15] Speaker 5: we've all played him. We know Novak, the competitor. We
[17:18] Speaker 5: know him pretty well off the court as well. But
[17:21] Speaker 5: what did you discover about the person off the court
[17:23] Speaker 5: that surprised you the most?
[17:25] Speaker 4: It happened the first day we were shooting with him.
[17:29] Speaker 4: There's a moment in the film when his daughter comes
[17:31] Speaker 4: over to him during a break in his practice and
[17:35] Speaker 4: sits on his lap and puts a little pink bucket
[17:37] Speaker 4: hat on his head. And the interaction that they have
[17:40] Speaker 4: is unfakable. And you don't earn that without years of
[17:48] Speaker 4: affectionate bonding and fatherly behavior. So that was the first
[17:53] Speaker 4: day we were shooting. We didn't expect her to come.
[17:55] Speaker 4: She was coming from the beach with her mom. And
[17:57] Speaker 4: she had little flip-flops and the baby stood on and
[17:59] Speaker 4: came over and just sat and had that moment with
[18:00] Speaker 4: her dad. That's the first time that I had seen
[18:03] Speaker 4: him as anything except a tennis player. He was a
[18:07] Speaker 4: father in that moment. tennis racket right next to him,
[18:10] Speaker 4: but the world seemed to melt away. I remember watching
[18:12] Speaker 4: it in the monitor and saying, that's going to be
[18:14] Speaker 4: a great shot because I knew we were shooting it
[18:15] Speaker 4: in slow motion as well. I was like, this is incredible.
[18:19] Speaker 4: So as the years went by, that's how long this,
[18:22] Speaker 4: I can say that accurately, that's how long this thing took.
[18:25] Speaker 4: It took two and a half years. I was not
[18:27] Speaker 4: a dad when we started this and I now have
[18:30] Speaker 4: two kids. And the hugs and the congratulations that he
[18:35] Speaker 4: gave me after my kids were born were just as
[18:38] Speaker 4: authentic as those that I got from my close friends
[18:41] Speaker 4: and my family. I'm not saying that he's a close
[18:43] Speaker 4: friend or a family member now, but he was genuinely
[18:45] Speaker 4: excited for me and genuinely said to me that nothing
[18:49] Speaker 4: will compare to being a dad. I started to the, his,
[18:52] Speaker 4: his outer, his reputation started to fall away. And the
[18:57] Speaker 4: guy who's there underneath that exterior started to expose, uh,
[19:01] Speaker 4: get exposed more and more as the months and years
[19:04] Speaker 4: went by. So, um, He's just a lot more human.
[19:08] Speaker 4: He knows that I disagree with him on a lot
[19:10] Speaker 4: of things societally. And he respects that. And as you
[19:15] Speaker 4: guys probably know, enjoys a healthy discussion, a healthy debate
[19:19] Speaker 4: about things and is endlessly curious. So he's, he's a
[19:23] Speaker 4: fascinating guy to talk to. If there were no cameras around,
[19:25] Speaker 4: I would love to hang out with him because he's
[19:27] Speaker 4: always got something to say, or he knows when to
[19:29] Speaker 4: listen and then offer his opinion once he's learned what
[19:32] Speaker 4: you're telling him. So yeah, I forget what the exact
[19:35] Speaker 4: question was, but I think it was, what did you
[19:37] Speaker 4: learn about him?
[19:38] Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what the question was. You answered it.
[19:41] Speaker 2: It was great.
[19:42] Speaker 5: It was a fantastic answer. You obviously spent so much
[19:48] Speaker 5: time with him over the last two and a half years.
[19:50] Speaker 2: Years, let's call it.
[19:51] Speaker 5: Tell us about his mindset because there was a line
[19:55] Speaker 5: in the trailer where he says, I'm trying to prove
[19:57] Speaker 5: myself wrong more than anyone else. Can you maybe try
[20:00] Speaker 5: to put that quote into context a little bit and
[20:03] Speaker 5: what also you learned about his mindset throughout all the
[20:06] Speaker 5: time you spent with him?
[20:07] Speaker 4: Yeah, he said, I'm the number one doubter is right here,
[20:10] Speaker 4: he said, and I'm trying to prove myself wrong more
[20:12] Speaker 4: than anybody else. I think that we talked a little
[20:16] Speaker 4: bit earlier about it, that he has vanquished every other opponent.
[20:20] Speaker 4: So he's left with this guy who, when he says
[20:23] Speaker 4: I'm the number one doubter, he's the guy who wakes
[20:25] Speaker 4: up in the morning and questions whether or not he
[20:27] Speaker 4: can do this anymore, whether or not he can beat
[20:29] Speaker 4: these younger guys anymore, how long he can sustain this.
[20:33] Speaker 4: I think that is more motivating to him than any
[20:37] Speaker 4: rival that he could have across the net. So that's
[20:40] Speaker 4: why I think that he will, I don't know when
[20:42] Speaker 4: he's going to retire, but maybe never. because it's going
[20:46] Speaker 4: to take something. I feel like physical for, to disable
[20:49] Speaker 4: him from being on the court, because this to him
[20:53] Speaker 4: is like catnip. Like this is the best rivalry you
[20:56] Speaker 4: could possibly have as with yourself. Cause you're never going
[20:58] Speaker 4: to win that. He's never going to wake up and
[21:01] Speaker 4: be like, you know what?
[21:02] Speaker 2: I did it.
[21:04] Speaker 4: I exceeded my own expectations. There's nothing more for me
[21:06] Speaker 4: to prove. He has something to prove every day. He
[21:09] Speaker 4: gets out of bed. So in that way, he is, um,
[21:15] Speaker 4: He's a lot like Michael and these other athletes that
[21:17] Speaker 4: I've gotten the chance to spend time with or gotten
[21:20] Speaker 4: the chance to try and document. He will make a
[21:24] Speaker 4: game out of anything. If it's a conversation, if it is,
[21:30] Speaker 4: you know, who can throw this ball closest to the
[21:32] Speaker 4: fence without it hitting the wall? He plays those games
[21:35] Speaker 4: the same way that Michael does. That's his language. That's
[21:38] Speaker 4: how he communicates is through these things. His love language is...
[21:44] Speaker 4: Can I beat you at this?
[21:45] Speaker 1: And for you, Jason, I mean, you just mentioned it,
[21:46] Speaker 1: you know, having directed both Michael and Novak's, you know,
[21:51] Speaker 1: I feel like these guys are so similar in the,
[21:53] Speaker 1: you know, their mentality, their competitiveness. Did they have a
[21:57] Speaker 1: similar aura about them? You know, when you sat down
[21:59] Speaker 1: with them, that that was discernible to many of the
[22:01] Speaker 1: other athletes that you've been around?
[22:03] Speaker 5: Yes.
[22:04] Speaker 4: The difference with Michael, Michael's got a different aura than
[22:08] Speaker 4: any human being I've ever seen. Presidents included, like I
[22:12] Speaker 4: remember Obama, after Obama's interview, he told us a story
[22:15] Speaker 4: and he was like, the microphones are off, right? The
[22:19] Speaker 4: fact that Obama is afraid that whatever story he's about
[22:21] Speaker 4: to tell might get back to Michael, he just carries
[22:24] Speaker 4: a different weight. The entire room just tilts in his direction.
[22:27] Speaker 4: Not the least of which reason is that he's enormous
[22:30] Speaker 4: and his hand is like two feet long. So he
[22:34] Speaker 4: looks like a folk hero, a mythological figure from a
[22:40] Speaker 4: fairy tale, Michael. Novak is probably taller than most people,
[22:46] Speaker 4: but for a pro athlete, I would say he's of
[22:48] Speaker 4: average size. He's still, though, when he walks in the room,
[22:52] Speaker 4: you know there's something about it with people like this,
[22:56] Speaker 4: men and women like this, whether it's athletically or artistically
[23:00] Speaker 4: or musically, they walk in the room and there's just
[23:02] Speaker 4: something different. There's a different energy in the room, and
[23:05] Speaker 4: Novak absolutely has that. But what's also common to most
[23:09] Speaker 4: of those people is that they have the ability to
[23:10] Speaker 4: put you at ease. So it makes my job a
[23:13] Speaker 4: lot easier when I'm sitting there. With Michael, it was
[23:16] Speaker 4: different because I had his posters on my wall as
[23:17] Speaker 4: a kid. Novak is younger than me. So at least
[23:20] Speaker 4: I had that.
[23:20] Speaker 2: Going for me.
[23:21] Speaker 4: I can say, oh, it's just, you know, I'm 49,
[23:24] Speaker 4: he's 39. But still, he's the greatest guy. I'm sitting there.
[23:29] Speaker 4: One side of my brain is thinking this is the
[23:31] Speaker 4: greatest person to ever pick up a tennis racket ever
[23:34] Speaker 4: in the history of that sport. No one's ever been
[23:36] Speaker 4: better at doing this than this guy that I'm talking
[23:38] Speaker 4: to right now. And I get to ask him whatever
[23:41] Speaker 4: I want to ask him right now. he's so good
[23:44] Speaker 4: at putting you at ease and he's got such a charisma, um,
[23:48] Speaker 4: and a confidence about himself that that is just by osmosis,
[23:53] Speaker 4: you feel relaxed and confident yourself as well. So, um,
[23:57] Speaker 4: luckily I can say that he's not, it was, there
[24:00] Speaker 4: was never one moment of awkwardness or, or, uh, or
[24:04] Speaker 4: tentativeness at all in our, in our interaction, certainly in
[24:07] Speaker 4: our on-camera interviews, which were pleasure. I interviewed him once
[24:10] Speaker 4: when my daughter was a week old. I came from
[24:13] Speaker 4: the hospital. She was in the NICU and I left
[24:15] Speaker 4: the NICU to come down and interview him in his
[24:17] Speaker 4: hotel for like an hour and a half for some
[24:19] Speaker 4: pickup flights that we needed. And that was like a break.
[24:22] Speaker 4: And I was, I was looking forward to seeing him.
[24:24] Speaker 4: He gave me a bear hug and he knew that
[24:26] Speaker 4: she had just been born and that she, she, she's
[24:28] Speaker 4: fine now, but she wasn't doing well the first few days.
[24:30] Speaker 4: And like, he, he was just like a concerned fellow
[24:33] Speaker 4: dad in that moment. But, uh, those interviews were among
[24:37] Speaker 4: the most interesting and fun that I've ever done.
[24:39] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[24:39] Speaker 1: I mean, kind of my next question, you may have
[24:41] Speaker 1: just answered it, but kind of who is harder to
[24:43] Speaker 1: get to open up out of those guys? Was it
[24:44] Speaker 1: Michael about, because he has been so private about his life,
[24:47] Speaker 1: I felt like prior to the last dance compared to Novak.
[24:50] Speaker 1: And I'm not sure how you mentioned, you know, you
[24:52] Speaker 1: just kind of mentioned it with the story of your daughter,
[24:54] Speaker 1: but how did it feel to you?
[24:55] Speaker 4: I don't want to say Michael wasn't eager. Michael was
[24:58] Speaker 4: eager for a different reason. Michael was eager at the
[25:00] Speaker 4: end of the first interview. He said to me, if
[25:02] Speaker 4: you do your job right, I'll never have to do
[25:03] Speaker 4: this again. I think Michael had been interviewed 8 million times,
[25:07] Speaker 4: and he was done answering a lot of these questions. Novak,
[25:12] Speaker 4: I think, is eager to be understood. I don't think
[25:17] Speaker 4: it's as simple as saying, like, oh, he says he
[25:20] Speaker 4: doesn't care what people feel about him, but he does
[25:22] Speaker 4: care what people feel about him. He wants everyone to
[25:24] Speaker 4: love him. I don't think he wants everyone to love
[25:26] Speaker 4: him as much as he wants everyone to understand him.
[25:28] Speaker 4: In fact, I think he would rather have everybody understand
[25:31] Speaker 4: exactly why he thinks what he thinks and does what
[25:34] Speaker 4: he does. And half the people love him and half
[25:36] Speaker 4: the people hate him than for everybody just to blindly
[25:39] Speaker 4: love him because he would know that that's bullshit. He's
[25:40] Speaker 4: smart enough to know that that's bullshit. So I think
[25:44] Speaker 4: he was eager to talk to someone who he knew
[25:46] Speaker 4: had done the research and was passionate about telling this
[25:50] Speaker 4: story responsibly like that. The really tough needle to thread
[25:54] Speaker 4: with people like this, especially in our business now where
[25:57] Speaker 4: these documentaries are so pervasive and so ubiquitous, there's a
[26:00] Speaker 4: doc on everybody it feels like at this point, is
[26:04] Speaker 4: you got to keep them happy, but you also have
[26:07] Speaker 4: to maintain your own integrity. You don't want to put
[26:09] Speaker 4: some propaganda puff piece out there. And you have to
[26:15] Speaker 4: somehow over the course of weeks, months, and years, convince
[26:20] Speaker 4: them that if they show moments of vulnerability and humanity,
[26:24] Speaker 4: that's only going to be in their favor in the
[26:27] Speaker 4: long term. In the short term, it's going to be
[26:28] Speaker 4: in the favor of the movie because it makes for
[26:30] Speaker 4: a better movie to see a superhero vulnerable. But in
[26:33] Speaker 4: the long term for them, the more human they show
[26:36] Speaker 4: themselves as, the greater they're going to appear because they're
[26:38] Speaker 4: already in a pedestal up here. And most people, when
[26:42] Speaker 4: you watch them, you think, oh, they were born there.
[26:45] Speaker 4: If you can show that they weren't born there, that
[26:46] Speaker 4: they earned it, and life's been difficult for them too,
[26:50] Speaker 4: then that pedestal appears to be twice as high once
[26:53] Speaker 4: you tell that backstory. Someday I'm gonna do a story
[26:55] Speaker 4: on someone who understands that going in and wants to
[26:58] Speaker 4: share everything with me with no problem. But the instinct always,
[27:02] Speaker 4: I think, is to be safe. So you just have
[27:07] Speaker 4: to kind of, you know, poke and prod in different
[27:12] Speaker 4: ways to get them to give you the truth.
[27:16] Speaker 2: When you're done with the documentary, this or the last
[27:19] Speaker 2: dance and you send it to Rafa, excuse me, send
[27:22] Speaker 2: it to Novak or send it to Michael, the final cut.
[27:25] Speaker 2: Are you, are you nervous sending to them and getting
[27:29] Speaker 2: their reaction after they watch it the first time?
[27:31] Speaker 4: I wouldn't say nervous. I mean, you want them to
[27:34] Speaker 4: like it, right? You don't want them the same way
[27:37] Speaker 4: that you don't want. If you write a paper in college,
[27:39] Speaker 4: you don't want it to come back with a bunch
[27:40] Speaker 4: of red ink on it. Cause it means a lot
[27:42] Speaker 4: more work for you. Like if, If I send it
[27:44] Speaker 4: to Novak and his wife and their handlers and they
[27:48] Speaker 4: send me 20 pages of notes, that means a lot
[27:52] Speaker 4: more work for me. Every time I give them something,
[27:55] Speaker 4: it's something that I am proud of. I'll miss a
[27:58] Speaker 4: deadline rather than give you something that is not ready
[28:03] Speaker 4: to be seen yet. As long as you understand that
[28:05] Speaker 4: there's rough cuts and there's second drafts and there's fine cuts,
[28:08] Speaker 4: it's really difficult with people who are in a completely
[28:11] Speaker 4: different line of work Novak doesn't know what a rough
[28:14] Speaker 4: cut or a fine cut or a picture lock cut is,
[28:16] Speaker 4: nor should he have to. The same way that I
[28:18] Speaker 4: don't know what his day-to-day is, a lot of the
[28:20] Speaker 4: vernacular and a lot of what goes into it. So
[28:26] Speaker 4: you don't want them to like it just because, oh,
[28:27] Speaker 4: Novak Djokovic likes my work. You want them to like
[28:30] Speaker 4: it because it's a relief when they're like, okay, they
[28:32] Speaker 4: see it the same way that I do. There's some
[28:34] Speaker 4: sensitive stuff in here. They didn't push back on that.
[28:38] Speaker 4: With Michael... We got, I think, one note from Michael
[28:42] Speaker 4: in two years. We got a lot of notes from
[28:45] Speaker 4: his camp about the aesthetics of the doc, camera angles,
[28:49] Speaker 4: music choices. Those are battles I did not expect to
[28:53] Speaker 4: be fighting, but that I was fighting. I thought we'd
[28:57] Speaker 4: be fighting like you can't talk about his father. You
[29:00] Speaker 4: can't talk about the suspension retirement rumors. You can't talk
[29:05] Speaker 4: about baseball. We didn't get any pushback on any of that.
[29:09] Speaker 4: And the one time that he gave me a note
[29:11] Speaker 4: was that he had hit a buzzer beater the week
[29:15] Speaker 4: after he came back from baseball. And he said, that's
[29:19] Speaker 4: when I knew that I could be Michael Jordan again.
[29:22] Speaker 4: And it was in a regular season game that really
[29:24] Speaker 4: meant nothing in the standings. And I never knew that
[29:26] Speaker 4: it even happened. And he pointed out the game and
[29:29] Speaker 4: we included that. It was probably 18 seconds of airtime
[29:33] Speaker 4: in the entire 10 hour doc. We included that. But
[29:37] Speaker 4: that's the only time that he ever said, I mean,
[29:40] Speaker 4: maybe he was giving tons of notes and they were
[29:41] Speaker 4: coming from somebody else. I don't think so because he
[29:43] Speaker 4: was playing 36 holes of golf a day.
[29:45] Speaker 2: This was COVID.
[29:48] Speaker 4: So Novak came in a lot more eager and a
[29:52] Speaker 4: lot more curious about the process and was a lot
[29:54] Speaker 4: more involved in the process.
[29:56] Speaker 5: In our tennis world, everyone knows about the big three.
[29:59] Speaker 5: It's Novak, it's Rafa, it's Fed. Novak came on, of course,
[30:04] Speaker 5: a bit later than Rafa and Fed. And one of
[30:08] Speaker 5: the themes of the film was that Novak was, in
[30:10] Speaker 5: a sense, crashing the party. What was his mentality towards
[30:14] Speaker 5: Federer and Rafa as Novak started to win some grand
[30:18] Speaker 5: slams and gain some ground on them?
[30:19] Speaker 4: I don't want to cop out and say, you have
[30:21] Speaker 4: to ask him because I don't know. Because what he
[30:23] Speaker 4: did tell us was that he thought that he belonged
[30:26] Speaker 4: there as much as they did. I mean, this was
[30:29] Speaker 4: that quote, uh, that Andy Gilbert responds to when he
[30:33] Speaker 4: said that he could beat Rafa on any surface in
[30:36] Speaker 4: the dock. And he said, do you, do someone need
[30:38] Speaker 4: to give you some smelling salts? Do you know what
[30:40] Speaker 4: you just said? He was a kid at that point
[30:43] Speaker 4: and believed that he could hang with those guys on
[30:45] Speaker 4: any given day. And I think that that's, I mean,
[30:48] Speaker 4: every pro athlete, you guys, I'm sure felt on your
[30:52] Speaker 4: best day that you could hang with anybody. Um, But
[30:55] Speaker 4: all of the greats felt that way and then actually
[30:58] Speaker 4: proved it, actually proved that he thought he was the
[31:02] Speaker 4: greatest tennis player in the world. And it turns out
[31:04] Speaker 4: he was right. So I think that he understood also,
[31:08] Speaker 4: he's smart enough to know that he was an interloper
[31:12] Speaker 4: in that world. Tennis is a very first world sport.
[31:16] Speaker 4: It's regal. You had a guy from Sweden, a guy
[31:19] Speaker 4: from the south of Spain. They look like movie stars.
[31:22] Speaker 4: One's aggressive, one's graceful. It was perfect. It was a
[31:24] Speaker 4: Hollywood script. And then this guy comes in who plays
[31:28] Speaker 4: a robotic style of tennis that's not really crowd pleasing.
[31:32] Speaker 4: He's got a name no one can pronounce. He speaks
[31:34] Speaker 4: a language no one's ever heard of or can remotely understand.
[31:38] Speaker 4: And he's from this country that we think, I think
[31:41] Speaker 4: they're villains, right? Isn't that the war criminal country? So
[31:44] Speaker 4: he had everything stacked against him. But in the long run,
[31:48] Speaker 4: I think that that made him who he is. If
[31:51] Speaker 4: he had an easy road, we wouldn't be sitting here
[31:53] Speaker 4: having this conversation.
[31:55] Speaker 2: Agreed. It's a phenomenal documentary. Like I said, I just
[31:58] Speaker 2: watched it. It's out now, The Wolf in Winter. Jason,
[32:01] Speaker 2: you did a phenomenal job of not only directing The
[32:03] Speaker 2: Last Dance, but this documentary with Novak Djokovic. And thank
[32:07] Speaker 2: you for joining us. We appreciate it.
[32:08] Speaker 4: Of course.
[32:09] Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Jason. Yeah, thank you. That was
[32:11] Speaker 2: really interesting.
[32:12] Speaker 4: All right.
[32:12] Speaker 1: Thank you to Jason Hare. That was an unreal interview.
[32:15] Speaker 1: A lot of insight. We didn't have to ask too
[32:17] Speaker 1: many questions, which is nice because sometimes we start to fluster.
[32:19] Speaker 1: He answered everything that we wanted to ask and more.
[32:23] Speaker 1: But very cool to get that insight into Novak. I
[32:25] Speaker 1: feel like not a lot of people get Novak away
[32:29] Speaker 1: from the courts. Any thoughts from you, boys?
[32:31] Speaker 2: I thought it was awesome. You just said it best.
[32:33] Speaker 2: Every question you gave Jason, he would give a six
[32:37] Speaker 2: to eight minute answer And you can tell that Novak–
[32:40] Speaker 2: I loved hearing like how into the process Novak was.
[32:44] Speaker 2: I could have talked with him honestly for another three hours.
[32:46] Speaker 5: Yeah, that was a great interview. He was awesome. This
[32:49] Speaker 5: is a– like that's a really good listen.
[32:53] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[32:53] Speaker 2: I mean like anyone that tunes into that. Yeah, that's
[32:56] Speaker 2: insightful as can be.
[32:58] Speaker 1: Yeah, and Jason was nice enough to join us. It
[33:00] Speaker 1: was great. The Wolfenwinner. Go check it out on Prime.
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[34:30] Speaker 1: move on to a new segment. This is a same
[34:31] Speaker 1: query text. I don't even know if we should actually
[34:35] Speaker 1: have to mention that it's the same query idea, quite frankly,
[34:37] Speaker 1: but this is, it's assumed. And Sam, you want to
[34:41] Speaker 1: take us through your thought process on this?
[34:43] Speaker 2: I don't know why I came up with this, but
[34:44] Speaker 2: I want to go over, at first it started with like,
[34:46] Speaker 2: if you were going to be like in a fight
[34:48] Speaker 2: or like a bar fight and you had to have
[34:49] Speaker 2: some guys from the tennis tour, like back you up,
[34:51] Speaker 2: like who would you pick? And then I was going
[34:53] Speaker 2: through the list of guys and there's like a lot
[34:55] Speaker 2: of them. So then I flipped it. Then I flipped it.
[34:57] Speaker 2: I was like, if you were going to be in
[34:59] Speaker 2: a fight and you had to pick three guys on
[35:02] Speaker 2: your team that you definitely don't want on your team,
[35:05] Speaker 2: just on a brawl, it's you and three guys. Got
[35:07] Speaker 2: to pick guys from the top 100. You're going to
[35:09] Speaker 2: probably get them. I'm thinking like pool table with the sticks.
[35:11] Speaker 2: Pool table brawl. What guys on the tour you definitely
[35:16] Speaker 2: don't want on your team for an absolute pool table brawl?
[35:20] Speaker 1: All right. So are we going to snake draft this
[35:21] Speaker 1: or do you just want to pick your three guys
[35:23] Speaker 1: and debate, Sam?
[35:25] Speaker 2: Snake draft it. Okay. You can go first, TV. I
[35:28] Speaker 2: get to go first? Three guys each. Three guys each.
[35:30] Speaker 2: Worst guys to have on your team during a bar fight.
[35:33] Speaker 1: Top 100?
[35:34] Speaker 2: They have to be current top 100 players.
[35:36] Speaker 1: Got a good friend of all of ours on here
[35:38] Speaker 1: early in the list. I got Zach Spida.
[35:40] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[35:41] Speaker 1: I don't, you know, diminutive in stature. He's got a
[35:44] Speaker 1: lot of power on the court, but I don't know
[35:46] Speaker 1: if he's got that dog in him in a bar fight.
[35:49] Speaker 2: Yeah. Good pick.
[35:50] Speaker 4: Sorry, Zach.
[35:51] Speaker 1: Love you, kid, but not my guy.
[35:52] Speaker 2: I'm taking for my first pick, I'm taking a big guy.
[35:56] Speaker 5: Ooh.
[35:57] Speaker 2: But sort of the same thing. I don't think I,
[36:00] Speaker 2: and I love him to death. Former doubles partner. I
[36:03] Speaker 2: don't think I want Hubie Hurcatch.
[36:05] Speaker 1: Yeah, that was on my list.
[36:06] Speaker 2: Yeah. He's too nice. I had him on my list. Yeah.
[36:10] Speaker 2: You don't see him throwing down. Yeah. All right. Good one.
[36:14] Speaker 2: My first pick, I'm going to go Lerner Tien.
[36:18] Speaker 1: Wow, man. He's on mine as well.
[36:21] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[36:21] Speaker 2: I just don't see him being like, all right, we're
[36:24] Speaker 2: throwing down. Let's go. Yeah. I feel like Lerner is
[36:27] Speaker 2: getting the crap bait out of him by the average
[36:29] Speaker 2: guy at a bar. All right. I don't think he
[36:32] Speaker 2: would disagree with you. I don't think he would disagree. No,
[36:34] Speaker 2: I don't think so either.
[36:35] Speaker 1: All right, Samuel, your next pick?
[36:37] Speaker 2: My next pick is friend of the pod, Ethan Quinn.
[36:44] Speaker 2: I think– I don't know. There's no way– God, we're
[36:50] Speaker 2: just slamming Ethan.
[36:51] Speaker 5: I know.
[36:51] Speaker 2: It's unfortunate, but like– weekly. He's just getting the crap
[36:55] Speaker 2: beat out of him.
[36:56] Speaker 5: I kind of, he went to college, you know, maybe
[36:59] Speaker 5: he's been in a bar fight in Athens, Georgia before.
[37:01] Speaker 1: You never know. In Georgia, that could.
[37:04] Speaker 2: Happen a lot. I'm staying away from Quinn as a
[37:06] Speaker 2: guy that I don't want on my team. I got
[37:09] Speaker 2: a good one for our next one. Ugo Umber. Don't
[37:12] Speaker 2: want him on my squad. I also had him on
[37:13] Speaker 2: my list. Another bigger guy.
[37:14] Speaker 6: Yeah.
[37:15] Speaker 2: Skinny. Not going to strike the fear of God in
[37:23] Speaker 2: anyone I don't think so.
[37:25] Speaker 1: Yeah I have I got Jensen Brooksby next on my
[37:28] Speaker 1: list yeah really good one didn't feel like he was
[37:30] Speaker 1: gonna he could be a little crazy though like yeah
[37:32] Speaker 1: but I haven't really seen him get there so you
[37:35] Speaker 1: know yeah I've got nothing to back that on but
[37:37] Speaker 1: I feel like it could be right my last pick
[37:39] Speaker 1: this could be it's good but I don't want Novak
[37:42] Speaker 1: on my team quite frankly I think we just watched
[37:44] Speaker 1: we talked to Jason hair he's an animal but I
[37:47] Speaker 1: feel like his first instinct outside of a tennis court
[37:50] Speaker 1: is going to be to diffuse the situation and to
[37:54] Speaker 1: like talk it through. And if you're in a bar fight,
[37:56] Speaker 1: I don't think there's time for that. So I don't
[37:59] Speaker 1: think he would be much help.
[38:00] Speaker 2: Okay. I feel like that's my reasoning. Get in there.
[38:03] Speaker 2: Life or death. I feel like you get in there.
[38:04] Speaker 2: I feel like you, you, you, you want Novak on
[38:07] Speaker 2: your team.
[38:07] Speaker 7: I know.
[38:08] Speaker 1: I just feel like he's going to like try and
[38:09] Speaker 1: talk people down. And I don't think you get to
[38:11] Speaker 1: a certain point that there's no talking down.
[38:13] Speaker 6: All right.
[38:14] Speaker 2: All right. I'll tell you who I, who I would
[38:16] Speaker 2: want on my team.
[38:18] Speaker 1: That'll also be another good list maybe next week.
[38:19] Speaker 2: Is Medvedevich, if we were doing it the other way around?
[38:22] Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. Who you want on your team?
[38:23] Speaker 2: There was like 70 guys.
[38:25] Speaker 5: Yeah, Medvedevich is number one pick. But okay, I'm finishing
[38:27] Speaker 5: it off with a super nice guy. Like we saw
[38:31] Speaker 5: him in Cabo. He actually might be the nicest one.
[38:34] Speaker 5: He's top five nicest player on tour, Coleman Wong.
[38:36] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[38:37] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[38:37] Speaker 1: From Hong Kong.
[38:39] Speaker 2: How nice is that guy?
[38:40] Speaker 4: He's so nice.
[38:41] Speaker 2: He's very nice.
[38:42] Speaker 4: Unbelievable.
[38:43] Speaker 2: But you don't want him on your team in a
[38:44] Speaker 2: bar fight.
[38:45] Speaker 1: But he's a big dude. So probably like, He's big.
[38:49] Speaker 1: He's bigger than me.
[38:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, but you need the guys. It's about the mentality.
[38:53] Speaker 1: I know.
[38:53] Speaker 2: I'm with you. Is he taller than you, Stevie?
[38:56] Speaker 1: I felt like he was bigger than me.
[38:57] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[38:58] Speaker 7: Yeah, maybe.
[38:59] Speaker 2: My last pick, so I don't want Lerner T and
[39:01] Speaker 2: Ethan Quinn or Yannick Sinner. I feel like Sinner, I
[39:05] Speaker 2: don't see him just willing to just throw down, walks
[39:08] Speaker 2: around like the scarecrow. I feel like Sinner might have a...
[39:13] Speaker 2: He's not a fighter.
[39:15] Speaker 5: I don't know.
[39:15] Speaker 2: I don't know. You kind of wouldn't find him on
[39:18] Speaker 2: your team? I'm with Sam on that one. No, I
[39:20] Speaker 2: kind of feel like Sinner is like you don't want
[39:21] Speaker 2: to F with Sinner. Yeah? Yeah, I don't think you do.
[39:25] Speaker 2: Like just a one-on-one fight with Sinner? You think he's scrappy?
[39:29] Speaker 2: I feel like he's scrappy.
[39:30] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[39:31] Speaker 2: He could be. He wants to like avoid... He's not
[39:34] Speaker 2: going to seek out conflict. No, of course. But if
[39:36] Speaker 2: it comes his way... Yeah, you know, I kind of.
[39:38] Speaker 5: Anyways, but.
[39:39] Speaker 2: All right, not bad, not bad. Yeah, but... Who's got
[39:43] Speaker 2: the worst team?
[39:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, who's going to definitely lose in a bar fight there?
[39:48] Speaker 1: But you know what? If these guys... weren't so hungry
[39:51] Speaker 1: if they had factor as part of their their pre
[39:53] Speaker 1: bar nutrition they wouldn't be hungry they wouldn't be hangry
[39:56] Speaker 1: and they wouldn't be getting in bar fights and when
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[40:01] Speaker 1: pantry that you should be making but you just don't
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[41:52] Speaker 2: I know nothing about collard greens, so I'm just going
[41:53] Speaker 2: to trust them on that. No, they're healthy.
[41:55] Speaker 5: All right.
[41:55] Speaker 1: Well, you know, in a week's time, Roger Federer will
[41:58] Speaker 1: be inducted into the hall of fame. It's going to
[42:01] Speaker 1: be a phenomenal ceremony. We've got to hit on Roger.
[42:06] Speaker 1: What he did in the sport was incredible. I like
[42:10] Speaker 1: the fact that he's in the Hall of Fame. I
[42:11] Speaker 1: wish it was just his own ceremony. I felt like
[42:15] Speaker 1: he deserves nobody else. I don't think any other players
[42:17] Speaker 1: are going in. Sam, is that correct?
[42:19] Speaker 2: No other players, but Mary Carrillo, the great commentator, is
[42:23] Speaker 2: going in as well.
[42:25] Speaker 1: I think it's nice that there's a few people that
[42:27] Speaker 1: deserve their own I guess their own ceremony and Roger
[42:31] Speaker 1: would be one of them.
[42:32] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[42:32] Speaker 1: But if, you know, Roger, we all know how incredibly was,
[42:35] Speaker 1: is there anything that stands out to Roger that maybe
[42:37] Speaker 1: the people don't know that, you know, John, you know,
[42:40] Speaker 1: you spent quite a bit of time with him, I
[42:41] Speaker 1: would say over the years, you know, that people wouldn't
[42:45] Speaker 1: know from Roger, like, you know, the everyday encore, you know, the,
[42:48] Speaker 1: the sillier side of Roger.
[42:50] Speaker 5: Well, like everyone knows how polished he is. And like,
[42:53] Speaker 5: he is that right. Like he's polished.
[42:55] Speaker 2: He's, you know, GQ, like man of the year, all
[42:58] Speaker 2: this stuff. Right.
[42:59] Speaker 5: But like he's so normal as well. And so, you know,
[43:03] Speaker 5: get them in the locker room and there's no cameras around.
[43:05] Speaker 2: He's normal.
[43:06] Speaker 5: He's like, you know, shooting the crap with, you know,
[43:09] Speaker 5: with guys in the locker room about whatever, like he,
[43:12] Speaker 5: you know, he's very approachable, which I feel like for like,
[43:17] Speaker 5: like larger.
[43:17] Speaker 2: Than life figures, like, you know, just great. So they're sports.
[43:21] Speaker 5: Like sometimes they're people feel like they're unapproachable. No, he's
[43:24] Speaker 5: very approachable. Um, always so kind. He really checks every box. Um, Yeah,
[43:29] Speaker 5: I mean, he's just like a good dude.
[43:31] Speaker 2: He's a fun hang. He's a super fun hang. I
[43:34] Speaker 2: hit with him one time. One time in Tokyo, I
[43:35] Speaker 2: was playing the Tokyo tournament, and he was in– I
[43:38] Speaker 2: might have told this story before. He was in Tokyo
[43:41] Speaker 2: doing something for one of his sponsors. He wanted to hit,
[43:44] Speaker 2: and so I lost the tournament. He loved hitting with you. Yeah,
[43:47] Speaker 2: I know. Yeah. But I went and hit with him
[43:49] Speaker 2: at like a hotel in Tokyo. Hotel had a court.
[43:53] Speaker 2: We hit and afterwards kind of walked off and we
[43:55] Speaker 2: were checking out and the front desk was like, you know,
[43:58] Speaker 2: you owe the $ 40 for the court for the two hours.
[44:00] Speaker 2: And there was no like, what are you talking about?
[44:02] Speaker 2: I'm Roger Federer. He just took out the wallet, paid
[44:04] Speaker 2: us $ 40 for the court fee. That's amazing. And then
[44:06] Speaker 2: we walked off. I have the photo of him actually
[44:09] Speaker 2: paying at the front desk. And Stevie, guess what? Of course,
[44:12] Speaker 2: Sam didn't offer to split that.
[44:13] Speaker 1: Yeah, of course not.
[44:14] Speaker 2: Come on, guys.
[44:17] Speaker 1: But I remember because Tony Godsick was there and he goes,
[44:20] Speaker 1: of course, I had to take a video of it
[44:21] Speaker 1: because he goes, I don't know the last time Rodgers
[44:23] Speaker 1: ever paid for a court. So like this is like
[44:25] Speaker 1: you have to document. But again, like that just speaks
[44:28] Speaker 1: to Rodgers.
[44:28] Speaker 2: Like, oh, yeah, exactly.
[44:29] Speaker 1: Like it sounds good.
[44:30] Speaker 5: So when I was– sorry to interrupt, Stevie. When I
[44:33] Speaker 5: was playing the year I made the World Tour Finals
[44:36] Speaker 5: in London at the O2, we were doing this event
[44:40] Speaker 5: at like the House of Commons like at night. And we–
[44:46] Speaker 5: We're heading there, like all the eight players and there's,
[44:48] Speaker 5: you know, there's like security with us or whatever. And
[44:52] Speaker 5: Roger had lagged behind for whatever reason. I don't know.
[44:55] Speaker 5: Maybe he got stopped, probably got stopped by a bunch
[44:57] Speaker 5: of fans, but we get this, the first seven players
[44:59] Speaker 5: get through. And he was sort of like by himself,
[45:03] Speaker 5: but he didn't have his credential.
[45:05] Speaker 2: Like he didn't have, like we're all wearing a credential.
[45:07] Speaker 2: Security did not let him in. Yep. Like, and we,
[45:10] Speaker 2: the next thing you know, like five minutes later, there's
[45:12] Speaker 2: no Roger.
[45:12] Speaker 4: Like, where is he?
[45:13] Speaker 2: And so we all turn back around. He's just sitting there.
[45:18] Speaker 2: Someone had to like, you know, like tell the security guard, like, no, he's,
[45:21] Speaker 2: he can go.
[45:22] Speaker 4: He's, he's good.
[45:22] Speaker 2: But he didn't put up a stink about it. There's
[45:24] Speaker 2: something about super famous people being humbled.
[45:27] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[45:28] Speaker 2: Yeah.
[45:28] Speaker 1: The same thing in Australia, the one year, like he
[45:29] Speaker 1: was going into the locker room, they have the video,
[45:31] Speaker 1: you know, the cameras everywhere, like didn't have it. He
[45:32] Speaker 1: was just like, all right, like turned around, like got it.
[45:34] Speaker 1: Like didn't like try and barge his way in, you know,
[45:36] Speaker 1: it's just Roger. He's always so nice, but. I remember, John,
[45:40] Speaker 1: how was that trip? Because you played an exhibition with
[45:42] Speaker 1: him in Tokyo after Shanghai one year.
[45:45] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah.
[45:45] Speaker 1: You flew with him there. Take us through, Roger, in
[45:48] Speaker 1: an exhibition kind of couple days because I know it's
[45:52] Speaker 1: down to the minute what his day looks like, especially
[45:55] Speaker 1: getting to these events.
[45:56] Speaker 2: No, yeah, we flew Shanghai to Tokyo. We did not
[46:00] Speaker 2: fly on Air Japan.
[46:01] Speaker 5: If you were wondering that, um, didn't get my miles
[46:04] Speaker 5: at that trip.
[46:07] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[46:08] Speaker 5: The travel experience was, was very nice, but of course
[46:11] Speaker 5: he's the, it was a Uniqlo event.
[46:13] Speaker 2: Don't ask. Katie's Corey was supposed to do it. Okay.
[46:16] Speaker 2: And he, he was like hurt, um, like couldn't play.
[46:20] Speaker 1: So then they, you're a massive draw in Tokyo. Everyone
[46:22] Speaker 1: knows that. I, you know, the.
[46:23] Speaker 2: Huge draw in Tokyo.
[46:24] Speaker 5: So I was, it was huge, uh, fortunate, um, turn
[46:29] Speaker 5: of events for me to be able to do that
[46:31] Speaker 5: with him.
[46:31] Speaker 2: But yeah, obviously he's the star of the show.
[46:33] Speaker 5: You're checking in the hotels like with Roger and it's.
[46:36] Speaker 2: Like here, you know, and I was like kind of
[46:37] Speaker 2: a part of it.
[46:38] Speaker 5: Like, you know, the, just the red carpets just rolled
[46:40] Speaker 5: out for you and I didn't have to do anything really.
[46:42] Speaker 2: And I didn't have any press obligations.
[46:44] Speaker 5: Of course I was just hanging out at the nice
[46:46] Speaker 5: hotel and, Go out there and try to do my
[46:48] Speaker 5: part and not be a total bot on the court
[46:51] Speaker 5: during the exhibition.
[46:52] Speaker 2: I think I did okay. But yeah, it's a lot
[46:54] Speaker 2: of fun. But going out to dinner with him, as
[46:56] Speaker 2: I said, just super normal dude.
[46:57] Speaker 1: Did you let Roger win that exhibition or did you
[46:59] Speaker 1: clip him?
[46:59] Speaker 2: No, he got me like four and six or something.
[47:05] Speaker 2: Not that I– Yeah, exactly what the people wanted. Exactly, exactly.
[47:09] Speaker 2: Remember the one time we were all in Geneva? It
[47:10] Speaker 2: was the three of us with our wives and Roger
[47:12] Speaker 2: gave us the restaurant recommendation.
[47:15] Speaker 4: Yes.
[47:15] Speaker 2: In that place.
[47:16] Speaker 1: That's right. That's right.
[47:18] Speaker 2: I remember, John, because you took a selfie of us
[47:20] Speaker 2: all and you sent it to him because he told
[47:22] Speaker 2: us to go to whatever restaurant it was.
[47:24] Speaker 1: That burger place.
[47:26] Speaker 2: Oh, why don't I remember that?
[47:27] Speaker 4: I don't know.
[47:27] Speaker 1: It's because you're old. You're advanced age.
[47:29] Speaker 2: He didn't recommend the Somalian restaurant, did he?
[47:32] Speaker 1: No, that was you.
[47:32] Speaker 2: That was Ethiopian, by the way. Oh, excuse me. Ethiopian.
[47:37] Speaker 2: They don't use utensils in Ethiopia, if anyone's wondering.
[47:40] Speaker 1: Spongy bread. It's rotten. But Sam, is there one question
[47:44] Speaker 1: I know you're dying to ask outside of the usual ones,
[47:47] Speaker 1: you know, airline miles, laundry?
[47:50] Speaker 2: Those are the questions I'd love to ask because Roger
[47:52] Speaker 2: has done 10,000 interviews in his life about winning majors
[47:57] Speaker 2: and coaching and being number one in history books. If
[48:01] Speaker 2: I had 10 minutes with him and I could ask
[48:03] Speaker 2: any question I want, those are the questions I'd ask.
[48:05] Speaker 2: What do your airline miles account look like? How do
[48:07] Speaker 2: you do your laundry at the tournaments?
[48:10] Speaker 1: Good questions, man.
[48:12] Speaker 2: Your eighth title in Basel. Where is that trophy in
[48:15] Speaker 2: your house? Is it anywhere in your house? Is it
[48:17] Speaker 2: in your garage? Just little things like that. I would
[48:20] Speaker 2: love to know those things and not the general questions
[48:23] Speaker 2: that you always get.
[48:25] Speaker 1: He can do no wrong in the tennis world. He's playing,
[48:28] Speaker 1: coming up. He's got an exhibition at the Open, if
[48:30] Speaker 1: I'm not mistaken. I can't remember with who.
[48:31] Speaker 2: Yeah, a little doubles exhibition.
[48:33] Speaker 1: Sam, John, maybe you guys know my brain is kind
[48:35] Speaker 1: of mashed potatoes. I want to say it's like McEnroe, Agassi.
[48:40] Speaker 1: I could be way off on that, but of course
[48:42] Speaker 1: it's Agassi, but he's, he's playing an exhibition. So Arthur
[48:45] Speaker 1: Ashe will be, will be full and it'll be great
[48:47] Speaker 1: to see. So we'll hit some more Roger content next
[48:49] Speaker 1: week with his induction into the hall of fame. Well-deserved.
[48:52] Speaker 2: Sam, you're going to be there, right?
[48:54] Speaker 1: Sam will be there.
[48:55] Speaker 2: I'm going to be at the hall of fame induction.
[48:57] Speaker 2: I cannot wait. I'm equally as excited. Why are you
[48:59] Speaker 2: there again? Why are you, why are you going to
[49:01] Speaker 2: be there? I'm an influencer, and they just need me
[49:04] Speaker 2: on the ground.
[49:04] Speaker 1: They need warm bodies to do the clinics.
[49:06] Speaker 2: Roger needs your help to get the word out. Roger
[49:08] Speaker 2: needs my help to get the word out.
[49:10] Speaker 1: Sam's the– he's like the second reliever in the bullpen
[49:12] Speaker 1: in case whoever's introducing him can't show up. So if
[49:15] Speaker 1: he's got a speech written, he's in the bullpen.
[49:16] Speaker 2: But I'm equally as excited to see who introduces Roger.
[49:19] Speaker 2: into the Hall of Fame.
[49:20] Speaker 1: It's been a big time.
[49:22] Speaker 2: I think it's going to be a big time A-lister. Yeah,
[49:24] Speaker 2: no one knows. It's hush hush. I disagree. It should
[49:26] Speaker 2: be like Severn or. I'm not saying who it should be.
[49:31] Speaker 2: I'm just saying who I think it will be.
[49:33] Speaker 1: Who do you want it to be, Sam?
[49:34] Speaker 2: I say I think it will be like. I want
[49:36] Speaker 2: it to be like DiCaprio. But why?
[49:38] Speaker 6: Why?
[49:39] Speaker 2: Cause it's cool.
[49:41] Speaker 3: Okay.
[49:41] Speaker 1: But does he even know Roger?
[49:43] Speaker 2: That's lame.
[49:43] Speaker 4: Just curious.
[49:44] Speaker 2: He can get to know him.
[49:46] Speaker 1: Of course. But like you want somebody to do the
[49:48] Speaker 1: hall of fame.
[49:48] Speaker 5: Roger has a 30 year career and DiCaprio can go
[49:51] Speaker 5: to dinner with him and introduce him. Lame.
[49:53] Speaker 2: I get your point. I get your point.
[49:55] Speaker 1: It's a miss.
[49:56] Speaker 2: It's a miss.
[49:58] Speaker 1: It's a miss. But all right, boys. Well, we will
[50:00] Speaker 1: be back next week. Cincinnati will be over. We will
[50:03] Speaker 1: hit that on Monday. And of course, hit that like, subscribe,
[50:08] Speaker 1: hit that bell button for all the suits. I know
[50:09] Speaker 1: Sam just harps on it every week, but it does
[50:11] Speaker 1: help us. Like and subscribe and we can continue to
[50:14] Speaker 1: grow this thing so Sam can get to his influencer tournament.
[50:17] Speaker 1: That's all he wants. So thank you all.
[50:19] Speaker 4: Yeah, I do actually.
[50:20] Speaker 2: By the way, collard greens are very good for you.
[50:22] Speaker 5: They're packed with essential vitamins like A, C, and K
[50:26] Speaker 5: plus calcium fiber and powerful antioxidant.
[50:29] Speaker 4: Yeah, well.
[50:30] Speaker 1: That's a good fact. And sorry for the rage bait
[50:32] Speaker 1: we put our suits at SIF put on the TV debate.
[50:34] Speaker 1: That's been raging the last few days and lots of comments.
[50:38] Speaker 1: I think we're right.
[50:39] Speaker 2: I'm definitely right. People are like, oh, the shows are fiction. Like,
[50:43] Speaker 2: of course they're going to. No.
[50:44] Speaker 5: Like, when you go into The Walking Dead, you know
[50:48] Speaker 5: that's a far-fetched show because there's zombies out there, right?
[50:50] Speaker 5: But when you're watching something like The Sopranos, great show.
[50:54] Speaker 5: All that stuff could realistically happen.
[50:56] Speaker 2: It's not far-fetched. That's my point.
[50:58] Speaker 5: In Yellowstone, there aren't these helicopter shootouts on ranches where
[51:03] Speaker 5: no one ever gets in trouble.
[51:04] Speaker 2: That doesn't happen in real life.
[51:06] Speaker 5: When a show is supposed to be realistic.
[51:09] Speaker 2: And it's not.
[51:09] Speaker 1: We're continuing to rage bait. I love it. Continue on.
[51:11] Speaker 2: That is true. People get so mad. You know what's funny? Online,
[51:14] Speaker 2: you know, like in normal life, everyone, stick to tennis,
[51:17] Speaker 2: do all this. When I'm walking around Cincy, I've never
[51:19] Speaker 2: heard one person say anything but positive comments.
[51:22] Speaker 1: The online world is not real.
[51:23] Speaker 5: Yeah. All right.
[51:25] Speaker 1: We'll see you all Monday. Good show, boys.
[51:28] Speaker 7: Wendy said, my sweet John, the.
[51:32] Speaker 2: Same for Sam. Stevie J won the bronze, but none
[51:39] Speaker 2: won a slam.
[51:42] Speaker 7: Nothing, nothing made you. Nothing, nothing made you. Nothing mentioned.

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