# GWJ Conference Call Episode 888

An episode of [Gamers With Jobs - Conference Call](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/175107566), 18 Oct 2023, 1 h 16 min.

Audio: https://traffic.libsyn.com/secure/gwjcc/GWJ_Conference_Call_10_18_23.mp3?dest-id=11823

Rich is joined by Dene Carter and interviews him about his new Ultima-like Moonring, his approach to world-building, and more. Dene Carter has been involved in the creation of numerous classics including Dungeon Keeper and Fable. Games: Cataclismo, Deep Rock Galactic: Survivor, The Thaumaturge, and The Pale Beyond. To contact us, email call@gamerswithjobs.com! Send us your thoughts on the show, pressing issues you want to talk about, or whatever else is on your mind. Links and Show Notes

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