# US psychotherapist on how she gets people to leave cults

An episode of [Nine To Noon](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/174829950), 22 Oct 2026, 15 min.

Audio: https://flex.acast.com/podcast.radionz.co.nz/ntn/ntn-20261023-0905-us_psychotherapist_on_how_she_gets_people_to_leave_cults-128.mp3

US psychotherapist Rachel Bernstein has spent more than 30 years helping people recover from cults and is visiting New Zealand for the first time to speak at this weekend's DeCult 2026 conference.

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