# Ranking the 10 BIGGEST Clubs in Football History | BOX2BOX EP 79

An episode of [Box2Box Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1743312473), 13 Oct 2025, 1 h 32 min.

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We finally ranked the 10 BIGGEST football clubs of all time: based on trophies, legacy, fanbase, history, and pure dominance. From Real Madrid to Manchester United, Barcelona, AC Milan, Liverpool, and beyond… this one’s going to cause chaos.MERCH IS OUT !https://box2boxclothing.com🎁 Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/Box2BoxShow📺 Main Channel: @box2boxshow 📸 Instagram: @box2box.show🎵 TikTok: @box2box.show🎙 Meet the HostsVarvar – @varvar_b2bFerms – @fermini_Pala – @luca.palazzeseMili – @amiliziano

## Transcript

[0:00] Welcome back to the Boxer Box podcast.
[0:02] This is episode 79 and today we will be ranking the biggest
[0:05] clubs of all time. And while we do our top ten,
[0:07] we're gonna be asking Chachi BT what they would rank their top
[0:10] ten biggest clubs and then compare the results.
[0:12] So where are clubs like Liverpool, Man United, Barcelona
[0:15] and Real Madrid gonna end up? All that and more on the Boxer
[0:17] Box Podcast. E demo you ain't.
[0:20] Going home your. Honor, I'm sorry.
[0:24] Your Honor, I'm sorry the. Pitch and Bangula start.
[0:38] Gentlemen. Another week, episode 79 How we
[0:54] feeling? It's good we're recording a day
[0:56] earlier than what we usually do, so just for people to know it's
[1:00] before the Italy game, so you will not be getting any rage
[1:02] bait if we. So Norway's winning right now,
[1:05] are they? They scored.
[1:07] Scored who scored? Holland.
[1:09] No. On goal, unfortunately are.
[1:12] We sure about this? Yeah, yeah.
[1:15] We're recording daily because it's Thanksgiving tomorrow,
[1:17] Canadian Thanksgiving, Canadian Thanksgiving.
[1:19] So spend some time with the family still.
[1:21] Want to get an episode out for you guys?
[1:23] Yeah, for real. Is is Thanksgiving just a North
[1:25] American thing or no? I think so.
[1:27] Because I don't think like, well, like Canada has its own.
[1:31] The reason why it's Thanksgiving.
[1:33] Yeah, Oh well, because of the Native Americans and everything,
[1:37] But I'm pretty sure that, like in Europe, there's no
[1:42] Thanksgiving. No.
[1:43] No, I'm not doing Thanksgiving. There's.
[1:44] No, but they have different holidays, like in Italy that's
[1:47] aura. Italy, they have, like Italy's,
[1:48] like pedagogo. I got nothing to thank for.
[1:52] But firm's not thankful for shit they don't celebrate.
[1:55] I've done it in the past, but it's not like a priority for us.
[1:58] At least food's good. Yeah, even that, but it's like.
[2:02] But I have AI have an unpopular opinion.
[2:04] I Loki think Thanksgiving food's the worst holiday food to be
[2:07] honest of the year so. What is it Turkey, and what else
[2:09] is there like stuffing and that stuff?
[2:11] Turkey, stuffing, green beans and the like.
[2:14] I know millies about that life. It's good Millie's down for.
[2:16] That bro Millie brings lunch every day.
[2:18] It's fucking Thanksgiving at that point, bro.
[2:20] This guy, just this guy, eats Thanksgiving dinner.
[2:24] Crazy work. My unpopular opinion bro get rid
[2:27] of the Turkey. Let's leave the turkeys wild.
[2:30] Let's eat chicken. I agree chicken simple.
[2:32] You know much better. My dad makes oven roasted 2
[2:34] chickens. Yeah, still with the same the
[2:36] same type of method, but chicken is better than Turkey.
[2:39] And and it gets too dry parents. Go.
[2:42] For some reason they feel the need to tell you, oh today I
[2:45] bought the Turkey. Fuck do I care?
[2:47] Like what the fuck does? That work, It's like a
[2:50] butterball Butterball Turkey. They heard that you bought the
[2:52] Turkey today and they make it seem like it's like this massive
[2:55] thing that they bought the Turkey for Thanksgiving.
[2:57] That's more of AUS thing. Wait.
[2:58] Until you start buying turkeys, you know how expensive turkeys
[3:00] are. The full bird.
[3:02] Enjoy the chicken from fucking Adonis bro.
[3:05] Shout out Adonis Adonis random Adonis.
[3:07] Shout out. Not on my big.
[3:09] But bro, if you gotta I'm be real, it's the same with a lot
[3:12] of other like escar going a bunch of other delicacies.
[3:15] If you gotta fucking stuff the ass of the Turkey, fill it with
[3:19] a bunch of good tasting bacon and and stuffing butter or I
[3:22] don't know what. But that means that the shit
[3:26] ain't good on its own. That means it's it's innately
[3:29] escargot. You ever see someone just suck
[3:31] suck a a boiled escargot out of a shell?
[3:34] No, you got to put that in a. In a butter crazy shit happening
[3:38] you. Got to put that.
[3:39] You got to put that in butter and you got to make it all nice
[3:42] and fancy. You're just eating a stick of
[3:44] butter at that point. You're saying pasta like white
[3:47] pasta On its own it's still edible but it's not as good as
[3:51] pasta with it is edible beatable.
[3:54] Same shit bro. Crazy grammar please.
[3:57] Grammar. With sauce is better, obviously.
[4:02] Pasta is not pasta with just. Just white pastas.
[4:06] You got a good fucking point there.
[4:07] You got me. You got to be the first
[4:11] acceptance of defeat on this podcast.
[4:13] History. You got a good point there.
[4:15] I see what you're saying, but carbonara is a food, yes?
[4:19] But then that's like Turkey is not like you're not just going
[4:23] to OK, so go grab a piece of chicken and do nothing to it.
[4:26] No, but black chicken. But we made pasta.
[4:28] You could do that. That's.
[4:29] Blind chicken. It's garbage we made.
[4:30] Pasta. We didn't make fucking Turkey.
[4:33] Turkey's bird. Turkey exists.
[4:35] We're killing that thing to eat it when comparatively we can
[4:38] just eat chicken. It's better.
[4:39] Yeah, but anything with spices is better.
[4:42] Yeah, but I think, I think chicken just gets better than
[4:44] Turkey. Chicken Chicken is S your food.
[4:47] I can't count it's up there. We were, we were.
[4:50] I don't know if we spoke about this on outside the box on
[4:51] Patreon, however, but I was having a debate with someone
[4:55] yesterday. Italian food is by far the best
[4:58] food in the world. Oh, you can feel like.
[4:59] We mentioned this. It could have been on an.
[5:01] If I was at the club with the husband he was talking about.
[5:03] The bro Italian food's just the best food.
[5:05] So this is this is the type of conversation you drum up.
[5:07] I I'm the, the, I don't know if it's like just an Italian thing
[5:12] to say we have the best food in the world, or it's like a
[5:14] superiority complex. It is a superiority.
[5:16] Complex it like we have the best food in the world.
[5:19] Like like like. Who's competing, really?
[5:22] I was, I was, I was hearing some crazy shouts yesterday.
[5:25] I I heard some Lebanese. Yeah, but but Mediterranean food
[5:29] in general. You should have told the whoever
[5:32] it was the hus. How about you make me try it
[5:34] You. Make you had that shit laid up.
[5:37] Bro, come on bro, that's the. One you wait till.
[5:40] I got an open mind inviting me over.
[5:42] Cook me up a nice Lebanese. That's like a sweat goal, bro.
[5:44] That shit has depth. That shit has depth like like a
[5:47] bunch of Middle Eastern food, even like northern African food.
[5:50] That shit has depth with the spices and whatever.
[5:55] There's like a golden belt of just like Middle Eastern and
[5:58] Mediterranean food that's just like topped tier.
[6:00] Combinations that we don't we're not familiar with like I have a
[6:02] Moroccan friend and his mom puts raisins on like a lot of food,
[6:07] low key gas like raisins, rice and nuts and stuff like stuff
[6:10] that we. Wouldn't.
[6:10] I've had that in the rice. It's low key topped, yeah.
[6:13] Like pine nuts and rice? Like it's regular white.
[6:16] Rice. I would never have thought of
[6:17] that, never have thought of that.
[6:18] Makes it sweeter. Yeah, One of the reasons
[6:20] Southeast Asian food. Goat it as well.
[6:22] Yeah. South.
[6:26] East. What is that, Indonesia?
[6:30] Yeah, like Asian. Asian cuisine Southeast.
[6:33] Sorry, So what? Japan, Korea.
[6:37] Yeah. That's not Southeast.
[6:39] That's not Southeast or that's not Vietnamese.
[6:42] Vietnamese. That's just east.
[6:43] South South Asia, Southeast Asia Southeast Asia Is Indonesia.
[6:49] Is Malaysia considered southeast?
[6:52] Thailand, Southeast. Thai food's good, too.
[6:55] Yeah, but those are like, you have to be in the mood for it.
[6:58] Yeah, I wouldn't. I wouldn't just like, be home
[6:59] and say, let me cook some Vietnamese food.
[7:01] Yeah. Unless, I guess, you're
[7:02] Vietnamese. That's my debate with like
[7:04] sushi. Like I feel like you can't eat.
[7:06] I know Japanese food, there's more, but like I feel like sushi
[7:09] is the main one. Sushi.
[7:10] You can't eat sushi every day. Had sushi yesterday.
[7:13] You could eat pasta every day. It's very diverse.
[7:16] I think we're just going to suit places and getting like the the
[7:19] the generic California rolls. And it is but.
[7:21] Like, no, I get that. I get that dynamite, I get that
[7:23] shrimp tempura. I'm.
[7:24] Getting that dragon side. Yeah, I know.
[7:25] What the fuck you getting bro? Well, I don't need sushi.
[7:28] Sushi, Shishi, I don't need sushi.
[7:30] So, OK, what last night? We're outing Barvar here.
[7:33] Why not? That's how Barvar.
[7:36] We went to, we had an event Once Upon a time, and we went to this
[7:39] place that was giving us. I don't even know this this
[7:42] story. You will, I just didn't say the
[7:43] name. Wasn't even there.
[7:45] They were giving us platters of like, like good quality raw
[7:49] fish, like sashimi, nigiri, like fucking like Millie.
[7:54] Millie wasn't there. It was just us 3.
[7:55] Millie would have loved it. Broke caviar.
[7:58] Then you get to the main and they're giving us fucking tuna.
[8:01] Like slabs of tuna. Caviar.
[8:03] I ate that shit up. Yeah, I stole that shit.
[8:05] I. Stole that shit.
[8:06] I stole that shit, no. No, the caviar was was bad.
[8:10] I'm not. It was bad.
[8:11] And then shit. But you have to take a remember,
[8:13] you have to put a thing. Yeah.
[8:14] And you take a shot. It's all weird.
[8:16] You take a shot of vodka. I did that one though.
[8:17] Yeah, you did that one. Yeah.
[8:19] What? Would you rate it on 10?
[8:21] Fucking two it was. It was actually really salty.
[8:23] It was weird. It was very mid.
[8:24] I don't know I I just don't understand fish.
[8:27] And Barber didn't eat any of the the raw fish.
[8:31] Nothing I can't bro it's disgusting.
[8:33] Lost or. Lots.
[8:34] It's really. It's good quality.
[8:35] That was good quality. And I agree if it's like you're
[8:38] not sure of the quality. Like I I'd rather it in a sushi
[8:41] roll than just like straight brothfish sushi.
[8:43] Grade fish is not fishy like it. It doesn't taste fishy.
[8:47] Yeah, yeah, it doesn't taste. Fishy.
[8:49] It was chewy. Yeah, but that's a good texture.
[8:52] I like the the texture of. That I could see the texture
[8:55] being a problem like I would like to eat it.
[8:57] You know carpaccio they give you like those those.
[8:59] Wafer carpaccio. I don't like, I'm not.
[9:00] A fan of that, like, like they give you those wafer crisps,
[9:03] like whatever. So that's a change of texture.
[9:05] Yeah, that I can agree with. But I'm not a carpaccio fan.
[9:09] My problem My problem with raw fish is that you need a texture.
[9:11] That's where the rice and the and the roll.
[9:13] You need a mix too because I feel like at one point it start
[9:16] tasting all the same. Yeah, yeah.
[9:18] Understood. Basically, it's football.
[9:22] Well, listen, this is international break, so
[9:24] obviously. Earling, Howling, Gold 2 Nothing
[9:26] going. So at this point, we need to
[9:29] even if Italy win today, we'd win. 15 trillion to nothing.
[9:32] We need to. We have like 15 goals of goal
[9:34] difference to catch up to. So not only Canada stunk it up
[9:37] against Australia. Also, what the fuck is Johnny
[9:39] Infantino doing in our hood? Yeah, so so Canada.
[9:42] Canada was playing in Montreal. Was it Australia or New York,
[9:45] Australia? Australia, Canada was playing in
[9:46] Montreal yesterday and for some reason, Jennifer.
[9:49] Polio doing in Arlington, TX. It was Johnny Infantino, Joey
[9:52] Zaputo and Mark Carney all together.
[9:54] Joey Zaputo was right in the middle.
[9:55] Infantino was there. Was there?
[9:58] They were just having a straight conversation.
[9:59] I said what are you talking about?
[10:00] There's no World Cup here. He's going to talk about.
[10:02] This ain't this ain't the stadium.
[10:03] Last minute switches. Not possible.
[10:05] Not possible. No, not with Madame Plant down
[10:08] there. She's.
[10:08] Graci Senora plant. She's gone.
[10:12] Might have to start a conversation, might have to get
[10:14] our MTL tickets ready but. Edmonton South.
[10:19] Yeah. So no, but I don't know.
[10:21] Yeah, I'm not sure what they were doing.
[10:22] I guess because Canada was. I'd give Johnny Vetino a piece
[10:24] of my mind pause. My mind that's theoretically
[10:29] giving him brain. For this most brain.
[10:32] That's theoretically giving him Dome.
[10:33] Anyway, Vover Vover didn't have anywhere to put a gun before we
[10:36] started recording so he said OK I'm swallowing it.
[10:43] I find that fucking crazy bro. Why I've never swallowed a gun
[10:46] in my life. Bro it's just alpha male shit.
[10:48] You wouldn't understand bro, you have to go find the trash can or
[10:51] some shit bro, just swallow that shit.
[10:54] I swallowed it. Crazy.
[10:57] All right, but you did not click for what we were just talking
[11:00] about. You clicked for our top ten
[11:03] biggest clubs of all time, but with a little twist.
[11:06] So we all have our top ten lists, which will definitely be
[11:10] heavily debated, but we want some sort of a mediator in here.
[11:14] And usually Millie's a mediator, but Millie's involved in this
[11:17] one. So we have a unbiased ChatGPT.
[11:21] We got a prompt ready and we will be asking the GPT it's top
[11:25] ten biggest clubs and to justify them.
[11:26] GPT 1st guest on the pod had to be satious.
[11:32] That's sad. That's that's sad.
[11:36] Not enough seats in here so we have to get GPT in here.
[11:39] Yeah, I can start it off. You wanna start your list.
[11:42] Get it #10 spicy. We're starting off very spicy.
[11:46] Inter Milan. Low well.
[11:48] I have, I have #10 I have Inter Milan as #10 that's low.
[11:51] In my honest opinion, my. My low but low.
[11:55] Yeah, not too low, but low. Yeah, my unbiased opinion.
[11:57] But like I I low key for me 8910 were low key very close.
[12:04] Yeah, I I find that was toughest for me.
[12:05] I agree 'cause I feel like I'm missing someone.
[12:07] You can move 8910 around. For me, I just put enter at the
[12:11] bottom just because I think in world football right now out of
[12:14] my 8910, they have like the smallest fan presence in my
[12:18] personal opinion out of these clubs.
[12:21] So yeah, I just. I mean.
[12:23] I'd say we're not as international.
[12:25] I'm not going to defend Inter, but I kind of disagree with
[12:27] that. Like I don't think they have
[12:29] bro. It's, it's even small stuff like
[12:31] like on social media you really don't ever see like, let's say
[12:35] like stories break out into the mainstream about Inter and stuff
[12:39] like that. Like even, let's say, let's say
[12:41] if like a manager's fighting with a player, you, a fan in
[12:45] England who just watches the Premier League, won't hear about
[12:47] that. Yeah, but really have that
[12:49] though at. Our, I mean, you're not like at
[12:52] the end of the day it's an Italian club.
[12:53] You're not targeting English people who already have their
[12:55] own club. They're targeting like.
[12:56] Well, you may does like Uvs marketing extends to English
[13:00] people. They want no English and B fans,
[13:02] Yeah. Yeah, English Americans maybe,
[13:04] but not like English from England like you talk, but like
[13:07] you were saying, I'll take I'll. Take, I'll take let's say
[13:09] Bayern, for example, If a Bayern manager and player are fighting
[13:13] like you're going to hear about that, everyone in the world is
[13:16] going to. Like cares about it, yeah.
[13:18] That's why Bayern is a bigger club than.
[13:20] Yes, yes, 100% that. Bayern really higher up.
[13:22] That's not the only bar, but Inter have CL, they have CLS,
[13:27] they have domestic. We have the history, we have
[13:30] the. Trouble they have, yeah, but I
[13:33] feel like if you won lack legends, it doesn't help.
[13:37] And two, holy roughesh, no, but they do.
[13:42] They lack legends. I feel like you.
[13:43] Can all admit Ronaldo are 9? I somewhat I it's an agree
[13:47] disagree situation. Like I I somewhat agree.
[13:51] But I'm all three center backs of all time.
[13:54] Enter. He'd be top three, that's why.
[13:56] Huh. He'd be top three at UBE.
[13:57] No, he would not. Yeah, he would be.
[13:59] No, he would not. That's.
[13:59] Not even a debate, He. Would not be.
[14:01] He's better than Bazaghli. Bazaghli only has a trophy cap.
[14:04] But he's not got 3. Better than Bazaghli, yes.
[14:06] That's not even a debate and but like.
[14:07] Kiolini, Bonucci are still higher right now we're.
[14:10] Not gonna, we're not gonna go comparative kind of, but I'm
[14:12] saying they lack legends and. I don't play that into.
[14:15] Before and Enter's never influenced football.
[14:18] I disagree with that but I mean listen, I'm not saying we're top
[14:22] fucking 5 but at #10 I have PSGI think they deserve a shout here.
[14:27] Not on my list. Really, I I definitely think
[14:29] they deserve the shout that. It's more recent.
[14:32] Thing most trophies in France now officially I'm pretty sure
[14:35] just want just want a. Quadruple, yeah.
[14:38] With one of the greatest teams we've seen so.
[14:40] They 100% have the most trophies in France.
[14:43] Like in terms of yeah. If all your legends are within
[14:46] the last decade and you're you just you just.
[14:51] That's just a lie. They had Ronaldinho play for
[14:53] them. They had a lot of players, yeah,
[14:55] they've always. Been a pretty that sizeable.
[14:57] Out of 15 years, football extends to a long time.
[15:00] Yes, for me, PSG, the issue is that obviously the Champions
[15:03] League's, it took too long for to for them to get this
[15:05] Champions League, which obviously was amazing to see.
[15:07] So that's why maybe they could they could get 10th, which is
[15:10] correct. I think they will jump up this
[15:11] list quickly though. Yeah like I think our our kids
[15:14] generation will have PSG much higher.
[15:17] Yes because bro, they got fucking.
[15:19] They have fans. Yeah, they're backed.
[15:21] All over the world. Heavy, heavy, heavy.
[15:23] Like they have a certain type of fan that just will always will
[15:27] like no matter where they are in the world.
[15:29] Like like Inter. I feel like the fans an Interfan
[15:33] has to be Italian descent like. Most of the time.
[15:37] Like, have you ever met an Interfan that's not Italian?
[15:39] I know in Asia we have one of the one of the bigger fan bases.
[15:42] Even usually like Saudi Arabia, yeah, like Middle Eastern
[15:45] countries, they they're usually said yeah.
[15:47] So I I do think that we have an international presence.
[15:49] Maybe we just don't see it, but I think PSG.
[15:52] For me that's also a lie, but whatever, that's OK.
[15:54] Well, they're all Barcelona, Real Madrid fans.
[15:57] Yeah, that's true. Barcelona, Real Madrid and said
[15:58] yeah, I would say they don't. Go for English, just small
[16:01] presence. I mean, anyways, it's for PSG
[16:05] though. For me, it was a conversation
[16:06] between PSG and Manchester City. I was, I was debating Man City.
[16:09] But if you're going to put PSG, I feel like you need to put Man
[16:12] City as well. I didn't put either of.
[16:13] Them either, I think PSG just beat Man City.
[16:18] I have. Well, whatever we can.
[16:20] OK, wait, I have you said you're 10?
[16:22] No. Yeah, I said.
[16:23] Enter. Who did you say?
[16:24] I said yeah, enter was MY10I. Have IAX, I think, I mean, now
[16:29] they've slipped down a lot of the power rankings, but like in
[16:32] terms of historical legends that they had it all.
[16:36] I had ax. I have ax a little bit higher.
[16:39] I have them on 9 I. Don't have them on my.
[16:41] List not on my list. You can't deny you can't deny
[16:44] the history that AX has. And I think it would be just
[16:46] reactionary not to mention them in this conversation.
[16:48] My history is more important than like, like the last 10
[16:52] years is more important than the first ten years.
[16:54] No, you think that that you think too much of yourself in
[16:57] your generation history is equally as important.
[17:00] Dominance in a different era is still dominance nonetheless,
[17:04] Whether it was because you were politically, you politically
[17:07] position your club. It's a lot harder for Real
[17:10] Madrid to win five in a row now than when they won five in a row
[17:14] at the start. In the 50s.
[17:16] For sure, but I think there's a lot more corruption back then.
[17:19] So right now it's a lot harder to win than like ACL now is not
[17:22] equal to ACL in the 1950s. It's not.
[17:25] IAX IAX 11 like what in the 80s? IAX has one of the 90s.
[17:31] If you look historically, they have probably one of the best
[17:34] academies of all time. Yeah, I agree.
[17:35] I I definitely think there might.
[17:36] Be the best station might be the best Academy of all.
[17:38] I for me personally, they haven't really done anything
[17:41] significant in world football for maybe close to 10 years now.
[17:46] Since 10:00. Yeah.
[17:47] So maybe 5-5 or six years, I'd say.
[17:50] Like we're going to say the same about guys that you have high on
[17:52] this list. Yeah, that is true.
[17:54] Man United. But but you could also
[17:56] understand that like UA were making CL finals, Milan were
[18:00] winning Champions leagues. Like you can make an argument
[18:02] for both why they're bigger than.
[18:03] There's generally wasn't doing either of them and I'm sure
[18:05] you'll have them higher than both.
[18:06] Juventus. There's no player that right now
[18:08] grows up and says except if you're from like Amsterdam, no
[18:12] one grows up and says I want to play for IA.
[18:13] No, but you still you still remember the Dutch legends that
[18:16] they had. So it's like bro.
[18:17] I can't deduct it because of little kids growing up and the
[18:20] little kids only see what's what's happening right now in
[18:22] world football. Both total football.
[18:25] Your own proof like that? That was era defining.
[18:28] Yeah, I agree. But I think as time goes on, the
[18:30] significance of it weakens as time goes on, unless, unless
[18:36] you're reaching those heights again.
[18:37] Like if if it happened 20 years ago compared to 3040 years ago,
[18:40] I think that's a different conversation.
[18:42] Who would you say is the? Greatest hockey player of all
[18:44] time? Wayne Gretzky.
[18:46] Same argument. No.
[18:47] No, because Wayne Gretzky. Look, if I Acts had 20 Champions
[18:50] Leagues, yeah, they'd definitely be on this list.
[18:52] But that's that's the Wayne Gretzky.
[18:53] They have 4:00. They have 4.
[18:54] Champions League. Wayne Gretzky, you take.
[18:55] You could. He could not have scored a goal
[18:57] his entire career and needs to have the most points in NHL
[18:59] history. You understand that He had the
[19:01] most goals, most assist. What did he say that makes
[19:03] sense? You could take away all his
[19:04] goals and he still has the most points in there because of that
[19:07] was just you're talking about dominance that you couldn't
[19:10] even. I know, but it's like Pele.
[19:12] It's like it's even better than Pele, but it's like the sports
[19:15] was way, way. More bare bones.
[19:16] If you put Conor McDavid right now and you put him back in the
[19:18] Wayne Gretzky times, he'd probably be 200 points.
[19:20] He'd be Gretzky. Yeah, he'd be Gretzky.
[19:22] Yeah, not better. So then I, I can maybe say I'm
[19:24] McDavid is the best player of all.
[19:25] Yeah, but I don't. Know Gretzky was wouldn't,
[19:27] wouldn't you say? Pele is a top five player of all
[19:29] time, usually 100%. So that.
[19:31] Discredits what you just said about the because not everyone.
[19:34] Has how much? He has four World Cups, Three
[19:36] World Cups? Yeah, 3.
[19:38] He not everyone. Has that exactly a lot.
[19:41] There's a lot of. Clubs that have 5 champions
[19:42] leagues or whatever IX have but there is 4.
[19:45] There's there's. Five there's like legit, there's
[19:48] no other player in history that has three World Cup but exactly
[19:51] they. They make a top and the same.
[19:53] Brazilians on like they should make a top ten list.
[19:56] Based on their Champions League cabinet, I just I, I, I.
[19:58] I just think that their. Their overall importance and
[20:01] power in world football has we increased for sure, for sure.
[20:05] Like even even you could you could argue with about Seria and
[20:07] UAE Milan and into like our powers decreased, but I do think
[20:12] that our that's still an attractive.
[20:13] Club I do think our. Statue is higher like I actually
[20:17] there's. No reason to be attracted to IAX
[20:18] right now. Like none, right?
[20:21] Now it's hard, yeah, but sure. But.
[20:23] Bro at the time they were good. PSG and Man City didn't even
[20:25] exist. Man City, That's a.
[20:27] That's a misconception because they've been they were winning
[20:30] trophies in the 60s and 70s. Like what trophies were they?
[20:33] Winning FA Cups. Like.
[20:36] They they weren't. They weren't they weren't a
[20:37] relevant big team. AX was the probably the biggest
[20:39] team in the world at the time. I.
[20:41] I agree, but not recently discount that.
[20:44] Because it was before my time I I agree but.
[20:46] As like I said, as time goes on bro, Man City wanted trouble 3-4
[20:50] years ago it within the span of three years yeah PSG quadruple
[20:54] like you can't deny their importance to world football
[20:56] right now. So from and with Manchester
[20:59] City, I have Pep Guardiola, who you could argue is the best
[21:01] manager of all time. Yeah, argue they have.
[21:03] The pole I I do agree that IX lost the pole and that's I guess
[21:07] it goes hand in hand why I have inter above IX and 9th because I
[21:10] just feel like Inter has more pole right now.
[21:12] But I mean, historically they're quite equivalent, but.
[21:15] Like, let's say a Nottingham Forest who have two CLS.
[21:18] OK, they don't have like pole. They're are they bigger than?
[21:21] Arsenal obviously not. No, but Arsenal have no CLS so
[21:26] exactly it's not it's. Not purely about Champions
[21:28] League, it's about the players that you had.
[21:30] Nottingham Forest, like in the grand scheme of thing, they went
[21:32] back-to-back. They.
[21:33] Had they had the best team in the world for two years?
[21:35] Who? Not even Forest.
[21:36] You just don't remember any of the player.
[21:38] I don't know any of the players. Exact, that's the difference.
[21:40] IAX, I can name you a couple of Ajax legends inter I'll
[21:43] obviously name you a lot like there's there's the impact that
[21:47] these legends had on the sport as well.
[21:50] I disagree. Let's.
[21:50] See what the name Namey won. Nottingham Forest legend, then
[21:54] the manager. He was the fact that you don't
[21:56] even know the. Name.
[21:57] Right away it's concerning. What was his name?
[21:59] You. Can't put them above.
[22:00] IX or Inter in that case. I'm not going to do.
[22:04] Put them above IX or Inter but club like Nottingham Forest has
[22:10] been like in terms of on England might be better than Arsenal per
[22:16] per SE or they're definitely better than Spurs, but Spurs are
[22:19] definitely a bigger club than not enforced.
[22:22] I mean it. Depends on the legends that they
[22:24] had. Again, depends.
[22:25] That's not the only barometer. And I agree I.
[22:27] Agree, and I actually have the legends, they have the trophies.
[22:30] So. So you had.
[22:32] AX at 10. Yeah, I had.
[22:33] Enter you had enter. Enter as she asked.
[22:36] I should be for like 3 to 4 lines.
[22:40] In. 2-3 sentences Tell me who would be #10 on the list, but
[22:45] don't tell me one to 9, just tell me who would be #10.
[22:49] Absolutely. Just zooming straight to that
[22:51] number 10 spot for you, I'd say a club like IAX could very well
[22:55] be #10 they've got a legendary history in European football, a
[22:59] fantastic youth Academy that's given the world some iconic
[23:02] players, and just a really rich tradition.
[23:06] Thank you. Fuck.
[23:07] You. I I think IX is.
[23:10] Fair. It definitely is fair.
[23:11] But it's just more like for me, the significance has dwindled.
[23:15] Yeah. And that's.
[23:16] Why I don't understand how you guys could put IX above inter,
[23:19] because inter is the easiest. Choice of my life, probably.
[23:22] Oh, I don't. Have IX on my list so they're
[23:25] not above Inter. OK, that's good.
[23:27] I have. 9 I have PSG not on my. List like not even close to my
[23:31] list. Actually I just I.
[23:33] Look, I'm just gonna lay it out. I put way more emphasis on
[23:36] modern history rather than the 1950s, nineteen, sixties, 1970.
[23:39] Why like I I the? Sport was so.
[23:41] Bare bones back then, and like now, it's much harder to win in
[23:46] your top five. It's much harder to win now
[23:49] because Pele, for his time, was an anomaly.
[23:53] I actually was not an. Anomaly.
[23:54] There's fucking Liverpool on multiple seals, there's fucking
[23:57] Bayern multiple seals, there's Real Madrid, Barcelona, like
[24:01] like, but you're talking about achievements.
[24:02] You're you're, you're saying Pele because of his team
[24:05] achievements? No, no.
[24:06] I'm saying he was anomaly both team achievement and like player
[24:10] wise. Listen, I, I.
[24:11] Like the PSG shout, the only thing, like I said, is that
[24:14] their era of dominance came right now, like in in 2025.
[24:19] Because apart from that, PSG needs to be judged all they've
[24:22] been 15. Years yeah sure, they've made 4
[24:25] finals they make quarterfinals in semi finals for almost a
[24:27] whole decade there's not many teams in the world that can say
[24:29] that but but given their. Their squad, they had Messi,
[24:32] they had Neymar, they had in Bape, they were expected to win
[24:35] these Champions Leagues. The the standards that PSG had
[24:37] were very high, sure, but they just delivered.
[24:39] They won a. Quadruple.
[24:40] They literally submitted themselves as like probably a
[24:42] top 10 or top five team of all time, like we've ever watched in
[24:46] the sport. Yeah, this PSG team not just
[24:48] like, yes. In recent bro if I.
[24:51] I didn't put Arsenal on my list. I didn't put.
[24:53] I didn't put. Arsenal.
[24:54] Nobody put Arsenal on. Their list I don't.
[24:55] Maybe you have No. If Arsenal is not on the list,
[24:58] then PSG is definitely not on the list.
[25:00] Definitely have. A quadruple?
[25:01] They have the most league titles in their league.
[25:03] Arsenal have literally fucking nothing.
[25:05] You can't pick and choose when to use contacts and when to not
[25:08] use contacts. Who gives a fuck?
[25:10] And I and I emphasize fuck about Liger nobody bro.
[25:14] A quadruple means fucking nothing to me.
[25:16] So then every every. Division titles should mean
[25:18] fucking air then, but that was they should mean fucking
[25:21] nothing. The Premier.
[25:23] Sports league for. Football.
[25:25] Oh, so it wasn't 50 years. Ago got it.
[25:27] It was. It was.
[25:28] It was. Eric devise it was fucking
[25:30] Seria. It was not the Premier League
[25:31] and then the Premier League now has this error of dominance
[25:34] league or right now we all know in this room and everyone
[25:37] watching knows in this room league or is the 5th of the
[25:39] league. It's the fifth biggest league in
[25:41] the world. So you winning three final like?
[25:44] Well, the last 4C. My point exactly, the CL is the
[25:49] most is the most important part. Yeah, but then I give credit to
[25:52] Bayern for winning the Bundesliga that many times,
[25:54] because the Bundesliga is a more difficult leap to win.
[25:57] Sorry, actually competition. History.
[25:58] History. Doesn't care who is second place
[26:00] in. Liger last season What a lot
[26:03] exactly, exactly No one fucking knows.
[26:06] No one knows because nobody that league, there is no.
[26:09] Competition. Exactly.
[26:10] There is no competition in that league, there's no second place.
[26:13] At least Bayern, half Dorman or Leverkusen.
[26:15] What do you think? Real Madrid.
[26:16] Was in the 50s, do you think IAX was in the 70s?
[26:19] What do you think UVA was in the 80s and 90s And Milan all it
[26:22] was, it was just that. Germany, they created that era
[26:25] of dominance in a league that was the best in the world.
[26:27] But because they. Spent the most money, I don't
[26:30] give a fuck. What?
[26:31] They did to get to that because PSG spent the most amount of
[26:33] Real Madrid Real. Madrid was spending the most
[26:35] real. Madrid all.
[26:36] Their league titles are from literally rinky dink when
[26:39] Barcelona was dog shit. How many sales does Real Madrid?
[26:42] Have yeah, they got what? I'll use the justification for
[26:44] Real Madrid when I get there. I'm talking about PSG versus
[26:47] teams like Arsenal and whatever. Yeah, there is no reason to put
[26:51] them on like I would agree. Before this year, one year
[26:55] should not change history. How many?
[26:57] Teams have won. Quadruples in.
[26:59] No, I disagree. Quadruples, bro.
[27:00] Porto how many fucking how many domestic troubles is Arsenal
[27:03] doesn't define a? Country.
[27:04] PS Not a domestic. Trouble.
[27:06] Country. How many?
[27:07] OK, how many? Well, Porto has a.
[27:09] Fucking trouble. No, he no, they no, they don't.
[27:12] They didn't win the the Portuguese Cup that year or
[27:14] whatever the like the FA Cup equivalent.
[27:15] I think they didn't. They went to trouble.
[27:17] They no, they won a double. They everyone says Porto has a
[27:20] trouble. No.
[27:22] I. Don't think so.
[27:22] I don't I don't know Ashta GPT. No.
[27:24] Whatever, I'm just the issue that we're.
[27:26] Forgetting though is that PSG has had legends like even even
[27:30] the ones like Verratti who who have gone in in the wind like
[27:34] these guys are legends. Are they paid for them?
[27:36] They paid for them, everyone pays.
[27:38] For them what? OK, so.
[27:40] Ali. Ali Al is is now Jago Silva.
[27:42] Like they've Ebra, Cavani, Messi, Neymar, embarrassing like
[27:48] it or like. It or not?
[27:49] We're going to look back at our like, like it or not, we're
[27:52] going to look back how we said 20 years ago, all the best
[27:55] players in the world played for AC Milan.
[27:57] They went through AC Milan. You're gonna say that about PSG,
[27:59] bro? Messi played there.
[28:00] Neymar played there. Asterisk.
[28:01] Fucking it's not asterisk. I'm gonna say all the best
[28:03] players played at PSG, right, practically.
[28:06] And Real Madrid and Barsa, That's all of them.
[28:07] All of them. Despite all of them except for
[28:09] the ones that were there last season.
[28:10] Wasted their time at PSG. No, I disagree.
[28:13] But sure, they wasted their time.
[28:14] They just got a ballad. They just got a ballad or
[28:16] winner. Also, Zlatan went for the.
[28:18] Zlatan went for the money, irrelevant.
[28:21] Mufon went for the money, irrelevant.
[28:22] Tenure. But they're not.
[28:24] Relevant tenures, but it's just more like they they could have
[28:27] achieved more like we talk about Neymar not having a Champions
[28:30] League with PSG, We talk about Mbappe not having the Champions
[28:33] League with PSG. At the end of the day, these
[28:34] players didn't get the ultimate goal of PSG, which was to win
[28:37] the Champions Leagues. It wasn't to win league because
[28:39] we know they could win it, yeah, but they still.
[28:40] Won a Champions League last year, so I don't care about, I'm
[28:43] not speaking about Mbappe at PSG, I'm talking about PSG.
[28:46] Yeah. And.
[28:47] I mean, commercially they've grown and they're definitely a
[28:50] top 10 club. But I mean, historically it's
[28:53] they will, they will. Get higher in this list, like I
[28:55] said, but if you start history, if you start modern football
[28:57] history, let's say 1960, I don't know, you just started whatever
[29:01] you want. You have, you have 65 years and
[29:04] maybe more of, of, of relevant history.
[29:07] If one season is changing your opinion on 65 years of history,
[29:10] I don't think you're looking at the big picture.
[29:12] But I'm I'm. OK, with PSG 10, I don't think
[29:14] that's a crazy shot. I think it's a good shot, yeah.
[29:17] But I mean well, Arsenal way Adam, Arsenal 9 is all right to
[29:20] beat PSG. And fucking almost every metric
[29:23] except for the except for the the champion.
[29:25] Important No the. Legend.
[29:26] They don't beat them in league. Titles either, but yeah, because
[29:29] they were in a more. Competitive league anyway, most
[29:30] FA cups. I'm pretty sure Arsenal have the
[29:32] most. Yeah, lift that.
[29:34] I just I don't when. I think of when I think of
[29:36] England, I don't think of Arsenal, but when I think of
[29:37] France, I think of PSG. Like that's just to the point I
[29:41] see it, but at the number 9 spot, I actually have Chelsea.
[29:45] I think I that definitely takes into account more of their
[29:48] social presence. Yeah, I find and there's an
[29:52] argument to say like who's London's team and I and I think
[29:54] Chelsea definitely have represents that on.
[29:56] My left. Representing that.
[29:58] So and plus the Abramovich era like was insane.
[30:02] They've had their legends. They had their iconic squads,
[30:04] they have the trophies. Yeah.
[30:06] So it's it's a complete English team and plus right now.
[30:09] It's yeah. They're a hegemon.
[30:13] Right now so yeah, I definitely think that they they deserve it
[30:15] and I gave them the edge over PSG mainly because like listen,
[30:19] they have the Champions Leagues and also they're they're in
[30:22] England. So for me like commercially
[30:25] you're you just you ballooned when you're in England.
[30:28] So and they have the. Recent Champions Leagues, as
[30:29] well as the exactly, well, 2012, Yeah.
[30:33] But yeah, I I think that and at the 9th spot, I think that's
[30:35] comfortable for them, yeah. Who didn't?
[30:38] Say they're 9. I said PSG, I have AX.
[30:41] OK, so. My 8th is Chelsea.
[30:43] Well, no, no. No charge GBT.
[30:44] Oh, sorry. Sorry.
[30:46] GBT it's taking 2 seconds to. Connect.
[30:50] Holy shit does it have Wi-Fi? Oh.
[30:54] Now give me the 9 please. Sure thing working.
[31:00] Our way backward a bit, I'd say for #9A club like Chelsea would
[31:04] probably fit the bill, especially shut the fuck up. #9
[31:08] I'll take that, thank. You GBT?
[31:10] I have just a favorite. Guest Yeah, I have just said
[31:13] eight also. At the 8th spot.
[31:15] I think. I think.
[31:16] They're a, they're a bigger club than Inter for me and obviously
[31:18] Iax and I think historically they are a bigger club than PSG.
[31:23] Out in terms of legends. In terms of of iconic moments,
[31:27] trophies. Stacks moments I'd say maybe
[31:31] Inter might have the edge but I have Inter 8.
[31:33] I have them in and around moments.
[31:36] Which ones Treble 2010 Trouble Trouble Barcelona.
[31:41] Donkey on their head OK 5 Nothing.
[31:44] So I'll raise you. All the Jose Mourinho Chelsea
[31:46] moments but iconic. Moments have to come when you
[31:49] win. In this case, yeah, R9.
[31:51] Yeah, R91. You have Super Cup with us, So
[31:54] bond or now? I raise you they.
[31:56] Allowed they allowed twelve goals in a season or whatever
[31:58] the fuck. I agree.
[32:00] But I'm not. I'm not.
[32:01] I agree, not doubting it but. I just definitely think that
[32:05] inter historically. Oh, you have 8?
[32:07] No. Yeah, I have.
[32:08] Eight. I think that's fair.
[32:11] Wait, so so far have. We all had no the same clubs.
[32:13] Around the same around. The but I mean GIX is the way
[32:16] GIX are. You're kind of.
[32:17] Separating, but I don't know, I think we're kind of cooking.
[32:20] I I I agree. Low key I don't have any problem
[32:23] with this. With so like I said.
[32:25] Now I think there's tears here. Like this was the bottom tier of
[32:30] like the top teams. It's like the bottom tier of the
[32:32] top teams. Now we're moving up a tier where
[32:34] it's like, OK, these now it's like now you're splitting at
[32:37] straws, you know, like really small differences.
[32:40] So let me let me see who they say #8 track GPT, give me #8.
[32:47] Absolutely we're. Just counting down this whole
[32:49] list now, so for #8I probably put a club like Arsenal in
[32:53] there. They've got history a lot.
[32:56] If it's top there, air ball, air ball, Yeah, ask.
[33:00] I need an. Explanation we lift that why.
[33:04] Is your #8 arsenal. I see what you did there.
[33:10] Well indeed, Arsenal would be a pretty fitting #8.
[33:14] They've got that rich history in English football, the
[33:16] Invincibles legacy and a massive global fan base.
[33:19] So yeah, Arsenal slides in nicely at #8 Music to my.
[33:23] Ears. I didn't hear any.
[33:24] Sorry Arsenal. Sorry Arsenal fans.
[33:26] I. Didn't hear I didn't put I.
[33:27] Didn't put in. The top 10 Crazy.
[33:29] I've got Terry. Henry they've got their legend.
[33:33] That's that's. It though Viera bird camp.
[33:35] That's like a buck. Those are like beats here.
[33:36] Bro you put Viera. And bird camp in Real Madrid's
[33:39] like 11. They're they're 91.
[33:42] That's out of. Below a lot, yeah.
[33:43] But you're not talking. About like, like Viera and
[33:46] Bergkamp, yes, they were good. They were very good.
[33:48] But I feel like Premier League fans, Loki overrate their legacy
[33:51] in my personal opinion. Like a muhfucka like like Rodri
[33:56] who won the Balador. If if you go up to a Prem fan or
[34:00] an Arsenal fan and say, yeah, Viera was Viera wasn't as good
[34:04] as Rodri, they'd start freaking out.
[34:06] Rob Viera was the best. Viera was the best.
[34:07] There was better than Rodri. Like I we weren't.
[34:12] We weren't pulled forward by 28. Balador, lift your.
[34:14] Balance. You deserved it, No.
[34:15] But even if you didn't deserve it, you finished second.
[34:17] Now put Viera on the second one agenda.
[34:20] Switch agenda, switch agenda, switch, agenda switch.
[34:22] They're obviously. Number. 7 The switches #7 Now,
[34:26] yeah, definitely. Getting into a different tier
[34:27] here, but this is where I begin the rage bait.
[34:29] Begin the rage. Bait.
[34:30] This is my rage bait is just starting right now.
[34:34] My reach me #7 we have you, Juventus.
[34:36] Me too, I have you 7. I have you that's.
[34:39] Three people, 3 to one. It does.
[34:42] Three people. Three people that are incorrect,
[34:44] that are misinformed and incorrect.
[34:46] I don't. See, that's your opinion.
[34:48] But we. Have the If you cannot dominate
[34:50] your own respective league, you're asked me you did dominate
[34:54] your. Respective league but every
[34:56] team. But once again, that's why
[34:57] you're not compared to Chelsea, PSG and Inter in this
[35:00] conversation. I put you above because you.
[35:01] Dominated. Your league yes, but all these
[35:04] teams above, if you dominate their league, I look at all time
[35:07] league tables in the Premier League, in the Champions League,
[35:09] all time league tables. That means Congrats, you played
[35:12] a lot of CL games, man. You and I were ahead of you by
[35:14] the way, but we just stopped making CL Yeah, we just passed
[35:17] you. Congrats.
[35:18] You get to play against fucking I'm not fucking Skyrat FC fucked
[35:22] right care bro it doesn't matter it's a.
[35:24] Fucking massive, massive stat. An all time Champions League
[35:27] table is massive. That's like, that's like proving
[35:30] that you have been in the competition by far the Arsenal
[35:34] of CL Congrats. Like listen watching the only.
[35:39] Reason why I can't put UV as fucking 3 on this list is
[35:42] because we didn't convert our finals and that's like the most
[35:45] unfortunate thing for Juventus fans because I think if we would
[35:48] have won like if we would have had Milans winning percentage in
[35:50] CL finals then we would have been the.
[35:52] By the way, I forgot to mention. This for enter would have been
[35:55] higher on the list had they not lost 5.
[35:56] Nothing in this. Oh agree, would have definitely.
[35:58] 100%. Probably the stain in the list.
[36:00] Probably. Would have been one.
[36:01] Or two spots higher if they didn't still have these
[36:03] situation. Nothing we would do about it.
[36:05] Nothing. And I and I agree.
[36:06] That's why they were eight for me, I think.
[36:08] AC Milan. You can correct me if I'm wrong,
[36:10] but you guys won like 6 out of the seven SEAL finals you were
[36:12] in or or 7 of the 8 or whatever we had we had.
[36:17] We had a lot of fun I. Don't know the number.
[36:19] We had way more finals than that.
[36:21] It's. About I don't remember off the
[36:22] top of my head. This is where.
[36:24] We had a lot. Of mind you.
[36:25] We lost a lot of finals as well. Yeah, we.
[36:28] Lost a lot of finals and we still.
[36:29] Have you're 7 for 11. Exactly.
[36:32] You're 7. That's a crazy, that's a crazy
[36:33] record. And a lot of we're 2 for 9:00.
[36:36] Exactly. So we we went to more finals and
[36:39] we won more. Well, this is including, I
[36:40] think, European. Cup This is your include wafer
[36:44] cup or. Your pink cup, Yeah, because
[36:45] that was CL before pointed it includes.
[36:47] It forever you've domestically dominant but they have a history
[36:50] of losing in CL I I definitely. Think that UVA could have been
[36:55] they were the original. Cocks.
[36:56] They could have been myself. I think it's just because we're
[36:58] looking at number. 7 as low, but in reality 7 is low.
[37:02] For you and right now. When I look at these teams,
[37:04] they're all like it's literally a couple of trophies, a couple
[37:07] of legends that separates them. Yeah, definitely.
[37:09] It's not because you've is low here.
[37:11] You may have the legends you. May have the trophies like and
[37:14] at the end of the day, like I think 7 is fair for where they
[37:16] are now because I just it's just.
[37:19] Fucking rage bait because AC Milan is only only above us
[37:23] because of the Champions, no legends.
[37:24] But they've they've won to screw.
[37:25] That to earlier than you that too.
[37:27] But who cares about recency? But you have to.
[37:30] They won their first European Cup in 1963.
[37:33] Who gives a fuck about what happened last year?
[37:34] What about Juventus? What about us?
[37:36] Yeah. But when is your last one?
[37:37] Since 1992. I don't get there's a long.
[37:40] Like I said, there's a. Long history.
[37:42] I don't care about the last five years.
[37:43] I don't care that enter losses seal final.
[37:45] You have 50 last season. Why?
[37:47] Because that adds to the so enter dominating.
[37:49] So so. Juventus dominating the fucking
[37:51] Italian league in the 1950s when half the fucking people were we
[37:54] were part time, but and then and then and then PSG dominating
[37:58] France now is not equivalent. No, it's consistency over.
[38:02] Time. We dominated then, we dominate
[38:04] in the 90s, we dominated in the 2000s.
[38:06] And you know, it's more of like a meal.
[38:07] We don't dominate now. That's the only reason why.
[38:09] We're being dropped is 'cause we're not dominating right now,
[38:10] but it's like the same reason that I gave IAC.
[38:12] If Inter didn't make those two CL finals bro.
[38:14] Not one fucking person would have them on our list.
[38:16] That's crazy if Inter didn't make those two CL finals.
[38:18] It's all what's in your head bro.
[38:19] I'm able to take out what's currently I think.
[38:22] I was very level headed. I really.
[38:23] Think Inter has no reason to be on this list of personalism.
[38:26] That's that's true. That's really.
[38:28] Because I'll give you the opportunity to retract that and
[38:31] I'm gonna give you the opportunity.
[38:33] To not retract now please. Defend.
[38:35] Why Arsenal are? Higher than Inter if they had
[38:37] them. Even if I don't give a fuck
[38:38] about these last two, I'll boil it down to a simple matter.
[38:40] OK, in. The world you can go into your
[38:43] Southeast Asia niche demographics.
[38:45] No one gives a fuck about Inter if you see but that's such a bad
[38:47] argument. World, according to.
[38:48] Paulo, I don't know that argument and I can tell you for
[38:51] a fact that they got them at. The local what?
[38:53] What is Arsenal's most iconic? Moment you would say the I
[38:56] suppose probably yes. Didn't continue it at Juventus.
[38:59] Like what's the difference? At the end of the day, they're
[39:02] the only team. It's been done.
[39:03] They're the only team in premier.
[39:04] League history well that's actually furthers Juventus talk
[39:07] that we have an invincible season thank you but it's been
[39:09] done somewhere else so Arsenal has no.
[39:11] Business being here, but then why don't you use that for I
[39:13] don't. Know why I can't use that for
[39:15] Arsenal and why you don't use it for and why you sorry why you
[39:18] can't use it for Juventus and you can't use it for Arsenal?
[39:20] I didn't use it for you season it as an.
[39:21] Invisible season? Yeah, but but.
[39:23] You're the only one with the golden.
[39:24] Premier League trophy the. Only one in Juventus has more.
[39:27] Legends than Arsenal and they stick that next to their CL or
[39:29] what? No, they can't, because they
[39:31] don't. They don't have it exactly.
[39:32] What they do about it like I. I'm not asking you to do any
[39:35] everyone on this list. Has won a champions.
[39:37] League model my argument was. AC Milan only are above because
[39:40] of the Champions, but that's not true.
[39:41] We have more iconic teams. We.
[39:43] Have every legend played for us? Every single one?
[39:46] Like look back at the starting elevens.
[39:47] Milan, we're pulling up. We did this.
[39:49] We did this, Drake. Like you, you.
[39:51] Remember doing this challenge with with the our combined 11
[39:54] teams, like we were saying, Oh my God, Milan wins this position
[39:57] again. We're looking at the the three,
[39:59] the three. P to Real Madrid, Champions
[40:01] League team, Like you're talking about that level of team like
[40:03] you're talking you're yeah, you're you're literally going
[40:06] through position by position. And it's Alzheimer like highest
[40:08] for a singular generation. For a singular generation.
[40:11] Multiple generation, multiple. We had three iconic.
[40:13] One generation bro, like 3. All the way from.
[40:16] No, not all. No, it stretched.
[40:18] All the way from Madesi to Nesta.
[40:20] To 70s, eighties, 90s, there's the Tierra.
[40:22] There's the Capello era. Which was before, I think, and
[40:25] then there was after and then it was even before there was
[40:27] trophies. We won champions because,
[40:29] because and Angelotti. AC Milan, domestically, I've
[40:32] been considering the things that they have were the under pretty
[40:35] underwhelming. Underwhelming the.
[40:37] Angelotti era No no. I'm saying.
[40:39] Domestically. Domestically, AC Milan.
[40:41] For the teams they had. Kind of underwhelming domestic.
[40:43] We've almost doubled Champions League, yeah, but.
[40:46] What does that do in the? Grand scheme of football at the
[40:48] end of the day in the I mean bro we talking about.
[40:51] Trophies not talking about, I'm talking about trophies and I
[40:53] took that into. Account, so we must.
[40:56] Mention Juventus are cheaters, must make AC Milan are cheaters
[41:00] officially. Juventus are cheaters
[41:02] officially. I put a lot of emphasis on
[41:04] European. Competitions AC Milan officially
[41:06] are cheaters. Yeah, they.
[41:07] They were inducted points. Imagine.
[41:08] Cheating and not even they were not my low key.
[41:10] Those were cheaters too, but then nobody cared about that.
[41:13] They're not cheaters Law. Not according to the law.
[41:15] But no, Inter are not cheaters right now.
[41:18] They're they were madata. League they were.
[41:20] They were. They were too irrelevant
[41:21] officially. They're not.
[41:22] Cheating they were. Too irrelevant history though.
[41:24] They're not cheaters. I gave you their flowers bro 7.
[41:27] I think 7 right now considering where the club is and their
[41:30] history yeah it is considering where you is right now, yes on
[41:33] your fucking. That's look like your grave.
[41:36] That's look I'm talking about at this dear woman's wedding.
[41:38] Dear woman's funeral but not but.
[41:40] I have no problem with UA7. You can't justify.
[41:43] How did you put 7? Liverpool is like.
[41:46] Liverpool is bigger Liverpool 100% Liverpool is bigger than.
[41:50] Than Juventus. It's not recency as well.
[41:52] I would say they're the biggest English club right now by far,
[41:55] Kenny, right now, but yeah, no. Liverpool has passed them Who?
[42:00] The fuck are their? Legends bro.
[42:01] They've had Luis Suarez's like they've.
[42:03] Had people even in recent times. Mosalis are a big fucking
[42:06] player, yeah. They have Alzheimer's.
[42:07] You're talking you. Want to mention Terry for?
[42:09] Arsenal bro Mosalis Terry now. Yeah.
[42:12] Van Dyke. One of the best center backs
[42:14] ever Like they they have. Congrats.
[42:16] Congrats, you just matched Arsenal's.
[42:18] All time player list No Liverpool, AC Milan.
[42:21] Has three teams better than. Liverpool's best team of all
[42:23] time? Liverpool have 6 Champions
[42:25] Leagues, yeah. Like we're just.
[42:27] We're just. Steven.
[42:28] Gerrard unenforced Premier, Graham Souness.
[42:31] We're just two Premier League. We're just they don't have two.
[42:33] They don't have, they have two modern Premier Leagues.
[42:35] I like that right, honestly. But that's why they don't have
[42:38] two Premier. And that's.
[42:39] That's why two Premier Leagues. They have. 18 fucking 18 First
[42:43] Division trophies from the dawn of time.
[42:46] Honestly, I think I think the reasoning if we.
[42:48] Keep it sound for the rest of it.
[42:49] I think we're going to agree on a lot of things.
[42:53] Let me ask. Who is your #7?
[43:00] So for #7, I'd go with. A club like Liverpool, they've
[43:04] got that incredible history. Where's UV on this?
[43:07] DBT I'm going to need a conversation.
[43:09] I don't know. It's OK, keep talking about.
[43:11] Liverpool cocky ha ha got. It I'll keep cooking so.
[43:15] Yeah, Liverpool definitely deserves that.
[43:17] Kind of spot just. Because of their European
[43:19] Knights, that rich history and how passionate their supporters
[43:22] are, they really are a legendary club through and through.
[43:25] Why aren't they higher? That's a fair question,
[43:30] honestly. It's mainly because once you get
[43:32] into that top tier with the likes of Real Madrid, Barcelona
[43:35] and so on, you're really split in hairs.
[43:37] Those clubs have just a few more European titles or periods of
[43:40] dominance, but Liverpool is absolutely right up there and
[43:43] it's all pretty subjected anyway.
[43:46] Holy come right, Thanks for. Nothing and double.
[43:48] Down on your answer. GBT What the?
[43:49] Fuck splitting hairs. That's a Millie ass fucking.
[43:51] Comment We're splitting hairs, that's all real number six AC.
[43:55] Milan, hold up. My number six is.
[43:57] Liverpool. Okay, stupidity.
[44:00] But that's rage he's talking. About rage, that's rage.
[44:02] No, no, no. For me there was a.
[44:03] Clear. Okay, so this is the category
[44:05] you put Juventus above Milan. There's 9 and 10, there's 9 and
[44:09] 10, there's 8910, then there's 765 and then there's the top
[44:13] four. I see what he was saying.
[44:14] The rage being just. Begun OK, now I we're splitting
[44:16] hairs at those three positions with Liverpool.
[44:18] AC man and UV split, we're splitting hairs, but those three
[44:22] are all interchangeable. The bottom they're not
[44:24] changeable and the top four are not interchangeable.
[44:27] Number six, I have Liverpool. Obviously we we spoke about it,
[44:30] but yeah, UV 7, Liverpool 6. I think that's the fair order
[44:35] standard. I have a Bayern.
[44:38] I think that's very low. I think that is very, very.
[44:41] Very, very, I think, I think consistently, yes, they've
[44:45] always been good and for a long time, but I, I, I kind of don't
[44:49] feel the iconic Ness of Bayern Munich's brand.
[44:52] That's crazy. Like it's there's solo your
[44:55] international. Brand We're splitting hairs
[44:57] here. But but like for me, just
[45:00] growing up like Bayern was never a like they were always good,
[45:04] but it wasn't never a like a desirable that's cap.
[45:07] No, the fact that they were. Not even in recent times they
[45:10] they're a desirable destination. You can't use personal
[45:13] experience for this is. Not the we're not by discussing
[45:15] also also you grow up the. The bonus league is kind of dog
[45:20] shit. No of a PSG did you have?
[45:22] PSG. Anymore, yes, but.
[45:24] That's why I taxed them a bit. PSG, if they played in the Prem
[45:26] and were winning every year, yeah, they'd be way fucking
[45:28] higher right now. Like you put a lot of.
[45:31] Emphasis into. The international presence
[45:33] Bayern has an international presence yes, but IA huge 1 to
[45:36] disagree no huge one like obviously all these teams have
[45:40] massive. International presences, but I
[45:43] can go to any city in the world and find the Real Madrid fan.
[45:46] I can go to any city in the world and find the Barcelona
[45:49] fan. I can go to any city in the
[45:50] world, find the Barcelona fan. I can go to any city in the
[45:52] world, find the Man United, Liverpool, Bayern.
[45:53] I just, I don't see the like, there's no fan clubs in Montreal
[45:55] for Bayern, bro. They're dominant.
[45:57] They're dominant. But it's it's just, I don't.
[46:00] See the presence of Bayern fans. Personally, I I've seen the For
[46:03] me, it's crazy that. There are Bayern fans in in
[46:06] countries that speak English just because of the fact like
[46:09] bro, we know Italians that support Bayern.
[46:12] It makes no sense to me. Just the fact that that happens
[46:14] should put them in a higher tier.
[46:16] No, but they're definitely they're they're.
[46:18] Look, for me, Juventus was obviously 7, but 6565 and four
[46:25] were very close. Like for me, I just put Bayern
[46:28] 6. But honestly, like I, I have
[46:30] Liverpool 5:00. I could have very much switched
[46:33] those two. Like I was very debatable on
[46:35] those two personally. Yeah, OK, that's fair then.
[46:38] Liverpool. Bayern.
[46:39] For me it's. Just more about, I think
[46:42] Liverpool's a bigger brand, but the history is very comparable
[46:45] between. No, that's not even close.
[46:48] I disagree, and Henry's not even.
[46:49] Close. And Bayern have the.
[46:50] Moments they have the legends they have the squads they they
[46:53] even the fact that a Pep Guardiola passed by for a couple
[46:56] of years is insane yeah, no, I I think Byron's.
[47:00] Definitely higher on my list, but we'll get into that once I
[47:04] think we hit Bayern. But who does GPT have at at six?
[47:11] Who do you have at six? So sliding.
[47:14] Into that number six spot. I put Juventus there.
[47:17] They've got a rich history in Syria, a bunch of league titles
[47:20] and they've been a dominant force in Italy for ages.
[47:23] Plus they've had their fair share of success on the European
[47:25] stage, so they definitely earn that spot just outside the top
[47:28] five by fair share of success. Does losing 7 times in nine
[47:33] finals include success or no you've.
[47:36] Definitely got a point there. Even just do have a bit of a
[47:39] bittersweet history in those European finals.
[47:42] They've been to a lot. But yeah, they've also lost
[47:44] quite a few. I guess when I say your fair
[47:46] share of success, I mean more that they have consistently been
[47:48] one of the top teams in Europe and have that prestige and
[47:51] legacy. But you're right, those final
[47:53] losses definitely sting a bit. I love you.
[47:57] Aw. Well, I'm sending some love.
[47:58] Right back at you, crazy happy to chat.
[48:00] I bought you something holy. Holy.
[48:02] Bias. Holy agendas anyways.
[48:06] Arsenal 8th. According to her, yeah, GBT.
[48:10] Is gonna need to. We're gonna have.
[48:11] To revisit that, yeah, we're gonna need to revisit, but so.
[48:13] 5I have. Liverpool.
[48:15] Five, I have Milan. I have UV5I have Bayern.
[48:20] But why do you find the Bayern disrespect?
[48:22] I have this disrespect. I do talk 5 team.
[48:24] Of all time. Such disrespect.
[48:26] Bayern. 5 Bayern 5. Bayern 5 and 6.
[48:29] Is I have team of all time, I have Bayern slightly.
[48:32] Higher but. Milan, I put 5 mainly because
[48:35] like obviously with everything else, I kind of took recency
[48:38] into it. And I do think this this kind of
[48:40] goes for Inter, but we've rebounded a bit better, I find.
[48:42] But since 2011, you can say that Milan probably had maybe one or
[48:48] two very, very good teams. Can you say that like 20-11?
[48:52] Yeah, honestly one. Since yeah, exactly.
[48:54] So for me. So for me.
[48:55] It's it's been nearly 15 years of kind of like Milan, like not
[48:59] really solidifying themselves on that like top European.
[49:03] Yeah, if you're if you're using recency, I fully agree with you.
[49:05] But but then I take into account pre 2011 and I'm like, this was
[49:08] one of the greatest teams of all time.
[49:10] Yeah. If we did this list in 2011,
[49:11] Milan is 3, three or two. I would say not 2, but yeah,
[49:15] three, no. Even even in 2011.
[49:18] I would say OK, but we'll discuss later, but.
[49:20] I agree, Millie, that you're now.
[49:22] Taking period like you're taking recency, but I did that for C
[49:26] for 15 years, yeah, about Regency in the last two years
[49:29] like I no, no, no, I take that, but I, I'm.
[49:31] Trying to do that with every team in my opinion, but mind you
[49:34] Milan have been just rockier than Bayern.
[49:36] Bayern have been consistently dominant on European stages and
[49:39] in their league league. Obviously you could talk about
[49:42] financial power. Like both Milan and Inter went
[49:44] through like insane. Yeah, financial don't compete
[49:47] anymore. Yeah, like.
[49:48] The financial issues completely. Decimated us, but in the 2000s
[49:51] Seriya was. Leading, Yeah, yeah.
[49:52] So it's like, well, I would say it dwindled by 2006.
[49:55] I would say we kind of had it then it found it kind of fell
[49:57] off slowly after that. But you're looking at the 80s,
[50:00] nineties and early 2000s. That was all Seriya.
[50:03] It's all Milan, Inter, Juventus, Milan.
[50:05] Interuve. That's what it was so.
[50:07] I put a lot of emphasis on on. The maybe the historical facts,
[50:11] like the trophies and stuff, the the legends that they had, the
[50:14] teams, the iconic moments, Bayern, it's it's more of like
[50:18] a, a recency thing. So your argument is good, I
[50:20] would say. But I I, I think, I think like
[50:23] both. Bayern and Milan historically
[50:25] are comparable, but recently Bayern's above I would say.
[50:30] I don't know, because those those Bayern.
[50:31] Teams like I'm sure if you, if you speak to German viewers,
[50:34] like they'll say that those. Yeah, but you see, German
[50:36] legendary. Like the fact that like we all
[50:38] know Beckenbauer, we all know the Mueller, both of them, we
[50:42] know we know them. But you're talking about like
[50:44] them versus the the Ronaldinos, the Kakas, the the Pierlos, the
[50:49] set or like there there's an international thing with Milan
[50:53] that maybe Bayern doesn't have. Bro, that's crazy.
[50:56] I was just looking up. Bayern finish in the Champions
[50:59] League every season and you have to go back to 2002 for the last
[51:03] time that Bayern groups they're goaded 2. 1002 but mind you that
[51:08] that. That's one of the most.
[51:09] Balanced teams in all the world football, I would say they're
[51:12] probably second in terms of complete completeness.
[51:15] And before that you'd have to. Go back until like probably the
[51:18] fucking 80s. Yeah.
[51:19] So, so I think Bayern. Definitely get the edge in my
[51:21] opinion. Milan, unfortunately recent,
[51:23] like the recent see of it kind of demotes them a little bit,
[51:26] but Bayern, Bayern. It's just something about and
[51:30] look, this is not something that, but it's just something
[51:33] about the brand that is not as iconic as the names that we have
[51:36] above them. It's just not, I don't know what
[51:39] it is. It's just not as iconic.
[51:40] It depends. Maybe German is is too foreign?
[51:42] Of a language for for English speakers maybe?
[51:45] Like we're not really digesting German content.
[51:47] They did. They never meant to appeal.
[51:48] To you over German. It's not me.
[51:51] It's not forget. It's not me bro.
[51:53] It's like like you bro, everyone, everyone speaks about
[51:56] the Milan teams of the past. Like the nostalgia is so strong
[52:00] and you go on clothing. There's fucking Milan clothing
[52:02] and stuff like that. Whenever you're in Europe,
[52:04] people are wearing Milan kits, Inter kit.
[52:07] I see Milan and Inter kits a lot.
[52:09] I don't see Byron kits because it's Italian.
[52:12] It's fashion. It's.
[52:13] It's so where the fuck are these Byron fans just.
[52:15] Germany, like Germany, is not aesthetic.
[52:17] There's nothing. Aesthetic about wearing a Byron
[52:18] kit, but it's also like iconic Ness of the.
[52:21] Brand like. It's like their fault that
[52:23] they're in Germany versus their. I I also think it doesn't help
[52:26] that. Like a like a Mueller, for
[52:27] example, has stayed at Byron his entire life.
[52:29] Like it's good for Byron, but internationally it it kind of
[52:32] hurts them because like I hope like I don't know, Dino played
[52:35] for Barcelona and Milan. So automatically Barcelona love
[52:37] them and Milan fans also Brazil know about Brazilian Brazilian.
[52:41] But but in Germany, those Bayern legends almost Germany exactly
[52:44] Man United by the. Way Thomas Muller in 2014 by now
[52:47] I I respect, I respect. Byron, they, they've always been
[52:51] in their lane, they stay in their lane and they're happy
[52:54] with German talent. They're they're like, it's
[52:56] something that Italy should honestly look at because 100,
[52:59] but I I feel like. Right now Byron is going into a
[53:02] different direction with like the Elises, the Keynes like now
[53:05] they're going into a more international dangerous when
[53:08] they was had that low. Key the German well right now.
[53:11] They have Musiala, yes. Drying up a bit.
[53:13] Low key drying. Up like they were.
[53:15] The running for verse. Go look at why.
[53:16] Who did they? Have before like Robin,
[53:18] everybody 11. Offset.
[53:20] They had a full non German front three at one point.
[53:23] Tutor Vidal Tutor. Vidal in midfield.
[53:25] They had twin. Dagger, but then you think of of
[53:27] their. Legends, Legends, yeah.
[53:28] Lamb type of Schweinsteiger type, yeah, no, they, they,
[53:32] they're definitely like. And that German team that the
[53:35] German national team has been so influenced by Byron as well.
[53:38] Like there were times where that whole, that whole German team
[53:40] was Byron players. So like I I don't know how you
[53:42] allow like. A motherfucker like Tony Cruz to
[53:44] come into your club and somehow let him leave.
[53:46] I don't know how that would that happen, Not sure, yeah, but.
[53:50] Definitely. Byron's a conversation.
[53:52] So what? Who does GBT have at the five?
[53:55] Did everyone give their five? Yeah, I said.
[53:57] Byron 5 I had. UA5I had Liverpool 5.
[54:04] Who is number 5? So.
[54:07] For that number 5 spot I put. AC Milan there, they've got a
[54:10] really storied European history, a bunch of Champions League
[54:13] titles and they've had some truly legendary eras.
[54:16] So they're definitely holding down that 5th place spot in the
[54:19] all time greats list. All right, so GPT, GPT kind of
[54:22] on my. Wavelength there Eras, eras.
[54:25] Definitely bro, it's just. Like.
[54:27] There's something about like like yes, that that Super Milan
[54:31] team only won how many? How many sales did they win?
[54:33] 2 sales, One CL Which one? The one the recent.
[54:36] One yeah 2 so pure low like. I don't know how many they won
[54:39] but bro like that team is that. Team.
[54:42] Is like iconic bro like that That CL is not equivalent to
[54:46] other CLS in terms of like iconicness.
[54:49] Yeah, I agree. Like it's, I mean.
[54:52] Yeah. The.
[54:52] Team was every single. Player bro, it's like it's like
[54:56] The Avengers like there is there is certain value added to your
[55:00] club's history when you pull you add in the era of Avengers.
[55:03] Yeah, I put, I put a lot of emphasis even.
[55:05] On the legends that a club had, because like we've all seen that
[55:08] clip of what is it, Inter versus Milan, and they're like panning
[55:11] out on all the players. Every single one is a legend,
[55:14] like an icon of the sport, which is like it's tough to say for
[55:18] other clubs. And it's like, it's it's crazy.
[55:21] Yeah. Like every single position.
[55:23] There's no liability. Yeah, I just wanna say one
[55:25] thing. Just a random stat.
[55:27] That I was looking at bounder winners.
[55:28] By club you have the most. Barcelona have 12.
[55:32] What? I mean, bars and Real are just
[55:34] gonna be 1 'cause they have two guys that have multiple six
[55:38] players have one of Barcelona amounting to 12 boundors.
[55:41] Real Madrid have seven players and have had 11 boundors.
[55:44] Juventus have had six players and eight boundors, AC Milan six
[55:47] players, 8 boundors, Bayern 3 players 5 boundors and
[55:50] Manchester United 4 players, 4 boundors.
[55:53] Yeah, but those boundors did definitely happen.
[55:55] In an era where we were setting out was #1 So yeah, most of them
[55:59] like a Netvad. Malandor is not equivalent.
[56:02] It's still a Balandor, you know. Not okay, well.
[56:04] Were your Bondor winners Christian?
[56:06] Okay, but you're trying to say? That the should have won that
[56:09] year with Netvad. And he should have Netvad.
[56:12] Netvad was fucking mid bro. You were fucking.
[56:14] You were not. Even a There we go.
[56:16] You were in the Kleenex broad but.
[56:20] Like Netvad, it Ballindor is not equivalent in historical terms
[56:25] then Ronaldo. Question who are your Ballindor
[56:27] winners? Ronaldo.
[56:28] George Best or Bobby? Charlton and Stanley Matthews,
[56:32] Nick but Pavel Ned, but it's not supposed to win a.
[56:34] Ballindor. I don't remember though.
[56:36] Who's the 4th 1? You tell me, bro.
[56:38] Dennis Law, holy bro, are you even a Manchester?
[56:41] United fan. If you don't, you got them.
[56:43] Yeah, it's not. Stanley Matthews, Stanley.
[56:44] Matthews is actually a baller, but he didn't play a Man United
[56:48] using baller. They didn't.
[56:49] Using the word baller, Man United.
[56:50] He didn't. He played that and you say he
[56:52] won the. Ball in the door for your club.
[56:53] How does that work? Who did Stanley Matthews play
[56:54] for? That's OK.
[56:55] I'll. I'll finish the cooking ritual
[56:57] now. I don't know.
[56:57] I'm not sure. Let us know who the Stanley
[56:59] Matthew played for anyway. My #4 Manchester United.
[57:02] My #4 Manchester United. My #4 AC Milan.
[57:06] My #4 Iron. It's fine.
[57:09] I think that's trying to trying. To understand 3.
[57:12] Then why you would even put them there if you're judging them off
[57:14] a recency? But we'll get to that.
[57:16] Yeah. I put Man United.
[57:19] Do they do they know situation what it's?
[57:23] OK, go. Good.
[57:25] It's fine. It's fine.
[57:25] Go I'm. Just saying I put Man United 4th
[57:27] I think. They're interchangeable with the
[57:30] third, yeah, which I will. I will say soon, they have the
[57:33] legends, they have the iconic moments, They have the
[57:35] commercial value and the international brand.
[57:37] I think they get completely carried by commercial value.
[57:40] It helps. Yeah, it definitely helps.
[57:42] The recency does not, I think, similar.
[57:44] To Milan. It's it's not a cop out.
[57:46] But it's part of. Their history so you definitely
[57:47] I don't necessarily think we we. Look.
[57:50] No, not the commercial volume, I'm saying.
[57:52] Obviously it was not where it was.
[57:54] Where where the Prem was when we won 20 titles in like fucking 25
[57:58] years or whatever the fuck. Like Prem wasn't what it is
[58:02] today, but it was still a good league and we dominate like like
[58:06] arguably we are. We were what PSG was like is now
[58:11] we were that in the Prem, which the Prem is like if if you're
[58:14] dominating the Prem, you're a serious, serious organization,
[58:17] you know, but not back then 19. 60 We still won ACL.
[58:21] But I'm saying that the same. Argument goes for Juventus.
[58:23] Like I feel like an era of dominance doesn't every all
[58:27] these we talking about how they have that error of dominance in
[58:29] their league. The fact that, like Sir Alex
[58:31] Ferguson. Built a Man United like they
[58:33] have a guy who's like a a youth Academy.
[58:36] Yeah, so a second. Best manager of all time.
[58:39] Like they have an achievement in that.
[58:41] I forget what the stat is. We've had a youth Academy.
[58:43] Player in our squad for the last 80 years or 90 years, yeah,
[58:45] every single game there's intangibles like that, but when?
[58:48] When did Sir Alex first can leave?
[58:51] 2011, 2012 2. 1013 one of those and the same argument.
[58:54] You haven't been good since. We've been.
[58:56] I agree 100%. That goes into history in my
[58:58] opinion, but. Now it goes into history, but
[59:00] history. But The thing is, is that
[59:02] listen, you still have to count that they still they did win a
[59:06] Europa League during that time like, and I do think that my my
[59:09] club has not fallen that bad. That's crazy.
[59:11] I need. To mention no, no, but no.
[59:12] It has fallen that bad, but. What I would say is that you can
[59:15] also agree that Manchester United and whatever happens at
[59:18] that club is always always exacerbated by the media.
[59:21] Like they're number one that like someone could could look
[59:25] the wrong way and all of a sudden it's from page news on
[59:27] like you know what I mean? So I do think that they get like
[59:30] serious heat that's they get, they get clicks, they get almost
[59:35] clicks. They knows it gets clicks.
[59:37] But even though it's not that. Big of a deal.
[59:38] Look at look at what we've been in recent.
[59:40] Times no club should be able to like, I'm not going to say
[59:43] survive this, but we are still like a desirable location for
[59:48] players. I I see that I somewhat agree.
[59:51] Like, like somewhat. Yeah, I'm not.
[59:52] We're not real. Madrid, obviously, we're not
[59:53] Real Madrid, we're not a fucking dream location.
[59:56] Like if we were then a Jude Bellingham would be playing for
[59:58] us or Harry Kane or whatever. But but you're still getting
[1:00:01] players above, above. You're like, we finished fucking
[1:00:04] 15th last year in the Primro. You shouldn't be signing a
[1:00:07] player like Matthias Queen. You shouldn't be signing a
[1:00:08] player like Ambemo. Yeah, that also comes to money
[1:00:11] though, type of. Player in this like.
[1:00:13] You're not gonna go get the hyper ambitious Barcelona Real.
[1:00:16] I don't know. I don't know.
[1:00:17] I disagree because. Lenny, you're a bit Real Madrid.
[1:00:19] But listen, even in your banter era, you had the Pogba.
[1:00:21] You had the yeah, you had the Ebras like you had the stars
[1:00:24] that would come even in a bad yes era.
[1:00:27] So there's. There's a pull factor.
[1:00:29] To it and that's why bad era again it.
[1:00:31] It was a pretty bad era, but they still finished second in
[1:00:33] like we're getting like we're getting linked.
[1:00:36] To Harry Kane and stuff like. That now what do you mean we're
[1:00:38] talking about history. We're talking about. 2nd place.
[1:00:41] Yeah, but you're still a top four team in the Prem.
[1:00:42] Like you're still making CL and just made fucking 9 Champions
[1:00:45] League finals. No one.
[1:00:45] Cares, OK, Don't you? You know.
[1:00:48] There's a difference between like the matches team and
[1:00:51] getting runners up in the Champions.
[1:00:52] League bro losers, if you didn't win, nobody cares about you.
[1:00:55] OK, that is also a. Different.
[1:00:57] Way of looking at it, I don't agree with that way of looking
[1:00:59] at it because then if Real Madrid are losers, then last
[1:01:02] year they're losers. They should not even be near the
[1:01:05] system. Real Madrid or losers.
[1:01:06] Last year, Barcelona would have been.
[1:01:07] Losers for 15 years then. Why?
[1:01:10] Because they haven't touched a semi final in 15 years in the
[1:01:12] CL. So they're losers.
[1:01:14] You were. Literally speaking, you were.
[1:01:16] Because you're saying it's either winners or losers?
[1:01:18] Like literally where'd you put iron?
[1:01:20] And we're looking at this, Yeah, I put them seven.
[1:01:22] The last time they got group was 2. 1000 and. 29 Champions League
[1:01:25] finals. Yeah, and now I'm saying you now
[1:01:27] I'm. Using your argument they lost,
[1:01:28] so maybe I should put them more 4th or 4th?
[1:01:30] Maybe an all time of. Of of Champions League final
[1:01:33] appearances, yeah. And that's fine.
[1:01:34] And I and I take that into account.
[1:01:36] Clearly not cuz you put them 7. Losers.
[1:01:38] I don't care about getting second place in the league.
[1:01:40] Arsenal gets ripped, has been getting ripped for getting the
[1:01:42] second. I agree, Paul, I don't but you
[1:01:44] either. You're no, that's history.
[1:01:45] The history books, they don't write.
[1:01:47] The runners up, they write the winner.
[1:01:48] No, but it's a narrative. The winner, but it's this.
[1:01:50] Narrative that like yes, Manchester United have been in a
[1:01:53] in a bad patch, maybe the last five years I would say.
[1:01:55] But before then it was like they were coming 2nd, 3rd, 2nd, 2nd
[1:01:58] and it was just like, now all that I'd argue was just from
[1:02:01] Manchester United. That's crisis.
[1:02:03] Since Sir Alex Ferguson, they have not been up to yeah, but
[1:02:05] the brand. We do have to The brand of
[1:02:08] Manchester United is just the only one.
[1:02:12] That's in the Real Madrid. Barcelona tier all these others
[1:02:15] like AC neon is a very good brand, but it's not in the Real
[1:02:18] Madrid Barcelona tier Anyone's bro.
[1:02:19] When when when when this is just one when speed or whatever is
[1:02:24] doing football content. It's always linked to Man
[1:02:25] United. Like it's like, it's just
[1:02:27] because it's, it's Ronaldo because.
[1:02:28] No, it's Man United. He.
[1:02:30] He. I'm a Man United fan.
[1:02:32] Why? Why is he not?
[1:02:33] Doing it for Real Madrid, yeah, Like, it's like.
[1:02:36] No, it's as much and whenever. Someone.
[1:02:38] You they ask a celebrity what are football clubs.
[1:02:41] They know it's like Real Madrid, Barcelona, Man United, and
[1:02:43] they're trying to choose your commercial value.
[1:02:44] We're talking about football. Yeah, but it has a.
[1:02:46] It has. A bro it's not about.
[1:02:49] It's not about just winning, it's how you win.
[1:02:51] Also, there's the reason why I've been because that's why
[1:02:52] you're my top 4. Yeah, 100%.
[1:02:55] I just think. That's why you're my top four.
[1:02:56] It's it's it's getting close. But for me, I don't value
[1:03:00] commercial, commercial value as much as you guys.
[1:03:03] Sure it's important, but do you value international presence
[1:03:07] like? Forget the commercial value.
[1:03:08] Just like no international presence is like you're
[1:03:11] renowned. Yeah, that's no commercial is.
[1:03:13] More money I would say. No, commercial is the same way.
[1:03:15] It's recognition. Recognition, like brand
[1:03:18] recognition? Yeah.
[1:03:18] So you're mixing. Them both, yeah.
[1:03:20] Like, but for me international presence is very important.
[1:03:23] Like if the fact that we're in Montreal and we see Man United
[1:03:26] fans is is cool to see. Like that means they have a
[1:03:28] presence outside of England. So I mean that that should fact
[1:03:33] like that should put them higher up.
[1:03:34] It does in the fourth. Well, it's even small.
[1:03:36] Shit, they didn't have that like the guy.
[1:03:38] Yeah, I have them 4th even small shit like the man.
[1:03:40] United Fan. Who isn't cutting his hair until
[1:03:41] Man United win five games in a row going super fucking viral If
[1:03:45] he did that, but let's say for fucking Inter, it would not go
[1:03:47] up as viral. But that's all.
[1:03:49] You cut it like since. Sir Alex, for instance, all
[1:03:52] you've had is this commercial value.
[1:03:53] Yes, 100%. And that's what's low.
[1:03:55] Key carrying the club right now like legacy points kind of, but
[1:03:59] yeah, it is. But a lot of clubs are moving
[1:04:01] like that. Yeah, but like let's say let's.
[1:04:03] Say Arsenal were to be in 15th place or whatever, they would go
[1:04:07] into low key relevancy. Not even their their brand is
[1:04:10] low key, big, big. They have a big brand.
[1:04:13] The brand is big. Enough.
[1:04:14] But if they did that. Prolonged for like you guys for
[1:04:16] 15 years then yeah, they would have to that.
[1:04:18] Yeah, I agree. Who?
[1:04:20] Who does GPT? Have at the number four spot.
[1:04:26] Who is number 4? All right, moving up the ladder.
[1:04:31] At #4 I'd place Bayern Munich. They've just been a powerhouse
[1:04:35] both in Germany and at Europe for such a long time with a
[1:04:38] trophy cabinet, that's pretty ridiculous.
[1:04:40] So they definitely earn that number four spot among the
[1:04:42] biggest clubs ever. Yeah.
[1:04:44] Has she mentioned Milan? Yet they're #5 sorry, I put.
[1:04:48] I put Bayern 3. It's not crazy to say they have.
[1:04:51] 6 champions it's. Not crazy to have 6 champions
[1:04:53] leagues. Not craziest.
[1:04:55] At all it's it's plus. The league dominance.
[1:04:57] Cuz I know you're. About to say Milan plus the
[1:04:59] league dominance that Milan don't have, plus they have the
[1:05:03] icons over history plus the world brand recognition.
[1:05:06] It's just iron's a complete club.
[1:05:08] They are complete club. You beat them in certain
[1:05:10] Manchester. United beat them in certain
[1:05:11] metrics. Milan beat them in certain
[1:05:13] metrics, but in my opinion, if you're gonna pick the
[1:05:16] well-rounded one, it's gonna be Bayern.
[1:05:18] But I'm a Molar enjoyer and I think Bayern Molar represents
[1:05:22] Bayern in full essence. Yeah.
[1:05:24] Pretty much just covers all the bases, but not spectacular to
[1:05:27] any of them. I believe they're the most
[1:05:29] well-rounded team. Ever.
[1:05:31] Well, outside of like, Real Madrid.
[1:05:33] Even Real Madrid when they were winning.
[1:05:35] CLS they weren't winning La Ligas when they were winning La
[1:05:37] Ligas, they weren't winning L shit ton La Ligas.
[1:05:39] I I agree. And no, I I see that, but I'm.
[1:05:41] Saying that I agree. No, no I agree but Bayern on
[1:05:44] multiple occasions every time they want to CL it was
[1:05:47] accompanied by a Bundesiga title, not Real Madrid.
[1:05:50] And see over time yeah, seem like Bayern it's.
[1:05:52] Like unprecedented. It's it's at this level at least
[1:05:55] we haven't missed it like. There hasn't been a year.
[1:05:57] Where we don't talk about Bayern Munich for in our lifetimes
[1:06:01] since Norway up five. Nothing, by the way.
[1:06:03] Bro these guys are such fucking rage.
[1:06:05] Baders. Like honestly, fuck no remote
[1:06:07] Loki. Dark horses, Helen.
[1:06:09] Helen Patrick, by the way, any Mr. Penn, he's unstoppable.
[1:06:12] He's unstoppable, but what a. Demoralizing.
[1:06:15] Result. It'll be playing after this and
[1:06:17] it's just like, what do you want to know?
[1:06:18] We're going to struggle to Estonia.
[1:06:19] Yeah, it's going. To be 3 two, nothing.
[1:06:22] Yeah, but. To continue the barn point, I
[1:06:25] think this is what PSG should have been because they they have
[1:06:28] the dominance in France and they should have been winning the the
[1:06:30] Champions League. So in like an alternate
[1:06:33] universe, PSG could be a top five team if they had those
[1:06:36] Champions League's. It started too late for PSG when
[1:06:38] the PSG. Started bro you do a teams of
[1:06:40] the 20 tens and. PSG is top three or five, yeah,
[1:06:42] and they have the legends Byron's been.
[1:06:44] Doing this shit since the. Since no 100% that's the
[1:06:46] difference, but PSG could very quickly move up these rankings
[1:06:51] like a Byron. I said they're already they're.
[1:06:53] On the PS, they're on the Byron trajectory, they're just missing
[1:06:56] the 50 years of it. Yeah, if they just keep this up
[1:06:59] for 50 years, you're definitely our kids will Guaranteed, unless
[1:07:02] some crazy shit happens, PSG will be in the top five in in 15
[1:07:06] years. I think that's definitely a
[1:07:08] possibility. At the three spot and might be a
[1:07:10] little controversial. Got Barcelona.
[1:07:13] I have Barcelona, Barcelona. 3 Barcelona 3.
[1:07:17] No, that's and and I think that's that's.
[1:07:18] Fair to say, Millie, OK, now you you are.
[1:07:21] Doing so good with with everything, Millie that's crazy.
[1:07:24] I that's crazy. I I could see why they could be
[1:07:26] two. It was a toss up for me.
[1:07:28] It was a toss, but you're talking about recent.
[1:07:29] See, can believe this. Yeah, recent seek.
[1:07:31] Barcelona has been more a better rounded team.
[1:07:34] Recently than I cannot believe but but again but again.
[1:07:39] The level of dominance, I feel like in the in the past, the
[1:07:42] level of dominance, Barcelona has bigger level of dominance.
[1:07:45] Than Man United. I'm just I'm sure you better
[1:07:47] give the best. You better give him a.
[1:07:48] Something after this podcast I agree, but Manchester United?
[1:07:52] In the in the 80s and 90s and 2000s were the one of the most
[1:07:56] unstoppable teams ever, the ever.
[1:07:59] Barcelona, unfortunately, and we, we.
[1:08:01] Know this Barcelona in the 80s and 90s were somewhat in turmoil
[1:08:06] OK, they really didn't get into relevancy until that late 90s
[1:08:10] early 2000s, but you can't look at it as just.
[1:08:13] Like they did this here and they did this here.
[1:08:15] It's more about like in this period, what was the peak?
[1:08:19] What, what is the best team of all time?
[1:08:21] So. So what you're trying to say is
[1:08:22] the best? Team Barcelona 09 is a higher
[1:08:25] peak, yes, than a class of what, 1992 or 09?
[1:08:29] It would be our trouble team. The trouble team.
[1:08:30] Oh. 9 Barcelona. Is the best team of all.
[1:08:32] Time we all that's like a consensus in my opinion.
[1:08:35] I think it's. I think maybe single.
[1:08:37] Year, yeah, but like 3 peat. Real Madrid might be the best,
[1:08:40] like, group overall Group, sure, yeah, whatever.
[1:08:42] But. 09. Is known as the the best team of
[1:08:44] all time, so that peak is automatically higher and bigger
[1:08:48] than Man united's best team of all time.
[1:08:50] But I do think Man United is still.
[1:08:52] Somewhat sustained, like it's so that Barcelona over a longer
[1:08:56] period. Of time than.
[1:08:56] Barcelona, from what I've seen, I could agree that Barcelona
[1:09:00] definitely had higher. Like you could argue that they
[1:09:02] have higher peaks and I and I acknowledge that those are one
[1:09:04] of the highest peaks ever in world football, but it was
[1:09:07] really just the 80s million. It wasn't.
[1:09:09] The 90s, nineties, they 90s we dominated. 90s I think.
[1:09:12] Manchester United was a bit bigger.
[1:09:13] That was a Troy Ferry at Barcelona, not 90s.
[1:09:15] Yes, but. Maybe he coached in the They won
[1:09:18] the, they won the they won the no.
[1:09:19] No, they coached. Coached.
[1:09:20] Yeah, he coached. They won.
[1:09:21] The they won. The League One. 23456 times Copa
[1:09:25] del Rey, the Super Copa, whatever they won ACL under Joan
[1:09:30] Croif, obviously Super Cup cup winners, he said.
[1:09:33] It says the 1990s were a golden decade for Barcelona.
[1:09:35] You know, that was Guardiola Storchkov.
[1:09:37] I'm not mad if someone. Low key I I That's why I said
[1:09:42] like before we start recording when I saw Milly right down mad.
[1:09:46] I find it crazy. I find it crazy.
[1:09:49] I I low key, low key. I think it's I'm a Man United
[1:09:53] fan, so I understand our history.
[1:09:55] It is an argument back to front I.
[1:09:56] Understand what makes. Man United's brand from like
[1:09:59] someone who's not a Man United fan, it does sound a bit crazy
[1:10:01] to put Barcelona above yeah, but millions of underneath Man
[1:10:06] United. But it is because you've been
[1:10:08] mentioning recency and and I. Gave you and I agree and but
[1:10:11] Barcelona. Recency have not been that good.
[1:10:15] That's also true. We're kind of.
[1:10:16] They have not been that good. What's recent?
[1:10:18] 2014 Since 2014 the Champions League they won the Champions.
[1:10:22] League after that, what have they done?
[1:10:23] OK, Man United after that, what have?
[1:10:25] After 2009 you're having like but I'm saying you're trying to
[1:10:29] compare. Barcelona recent.
[1:10:30] Seat to like a PSG? Recent seat?
[1:10:33] They're nowhere near like PSG. In the last decade I've been a
[1:10:35] lot better than Barcelona. A lot.
[1:10:37] I mean, yeah, Barcelona have not made ACL semi in the time that
[1:10:40] they did. They got destroyed, yes, since
[1:10:42] since their Champions League. Barcelona.
[1:10:43] Have won 12345 La Ligas, and that's considering that they
[1:10:47] have Real Madrid in the league, Cladico Madrid 11 there as well
[1:10:50] and Real. Madrid at that point decided
[1:10:51] that I again, This is why Bayern Munich I think is the most They
[1:10:54] won half. Barcelona won half.
[1:10:56] And what a Manchester United, and they're about to go down and
[1:10:58] shitter because they broke. Even even in this recency, they
[1:11:01] they. Birthed like a Neymar for
[1:11:02] example they they got a suarest from over that Neymar this guy
[1:11:06] made top. 10 of fucking Balandor before he even stepped foot on
[1:11:09] who brought them, who brought him to Europe.
[1:11:10] OK, A. 100% but Neymar would have been.
[1:11:12] Neymar if he fucking went to they he didn't birth them, they
[1:11:14] birthed him in Niesta. OK, sure.
[1:11:17] By by Messi. By birth, I mean he was.
[1:11:19] He came to Europe, to Barcelona, Man United birthed Ronaldo.
[1:11:24] That motherfucker was nothing before us.
[1:11:26] I suppose, yeah, you got you got the Balandor.
[1:11:28] Yeah, like like Barcelona. Also at Messi, that's why Manny
[1:11:32] Messi is like that that for me I.
[1:11:34] Could I think they're interchangeable?
[1:11:36] But if you want to say barces at the at the two and round Man
[1:11:39] United's at three, I'm not going to get, I don't know.
[1:11:40] I have Milan third. I have Milan third.
[1:11:45] You're missing someone. No, Man United, I put them.
[1:11:47] Forth, I said it before, like and you put Bayern, where'd you
[1:11:50] put? Bayern 5th.
[1:11:51] Bayern 5th. This I think you're overrating.
[1:11:54] Fuck ups. In the room, I think.
[1:11:55] These are These are very. This none of me.
[1:11:57] That's that's way less fair. That's crazy.
[1:11:59] That's. Fucking that's fucking crazy.
[1:12:03] I can see why you guys are just sitting on that fucking couch.
[1:12:06] I can see. Fucking crazy.
[1:12:08] Fucking crazy. Fucking kissing each other.
[1:12:11] Fucking crazy fucking 3. Is that's the most outrageous
[1:12:14] thing you've ever said about? Outrageous.
[1:12:16] The most I really don't. Think it's not outrageous in my
[1:12:18] opinion, I really don't think it's.
[1:12:20] You just said. I'm just saying.
[1:12:22] On overall stature, there's an. Argument.
[1:12:24] Why can't I argue it? Because you've been arguing that
[1:12:27] recency is. What put Milan behind so use it
[1:12:29] for Man United, but Man United even during their.
[1:12:33] Down period got second fucking place.
[1:12:35] What have they done? We're still a bigger brand than
[1:12:37] you. They still a bigger brand.
[1:12:39] Than am I arguing that we're third?
[1:12:42] I'm not. Just you were before you were,
[1:12:45] you were saying that before. I'm not arguing nothing you said
[1:12:48] well their area, even in their area of downturn they got second
[1:12:51] place. That second place Barcelona's
[1:12:54] era of down they got 5 fucking not Ligas Man United done that
[1:12:58] dog walked by Real Madrid as well getting dog Barcelona
[1:13:01] getting 7 Barcelona. How many fucking embarrassing
[1:13:03] results did they get? Man United lost to Liverpool
[1:13:05] every single time. Seven Ways is so entertaining
[1:13:08] not being. Involved in the rage I'm I'm I'm
[1:13:09] I'm not sure you say you're. Getting so upset because my
[1:13:14] father got fucking exhausted but you are doing great.
[1:13:17] With your I'm doing. Thank you.
[1:13:18] Thank you guys. I really needed that.
[1:13:20] Yeah, thank you so much. You were doing.
[1:13:22] I can make my own decision here. You were doing with your
[1:13:25] argument about recency. For Milan, yes, knock them down
[1:13:29] because of recency. I didn't use recency as much as
[1:13:32] you. Good argument, but how the fuck
[1:13:34] are you putting Man United above any of these other clubs?
[1:13:36] That's just the level of the brand.
[1:13:38] There's not even to it. You agreed that there's still
[1:13:41] the. Biggest club in England?
[1:13:43] No, Liverpool is. That's the.
[1:13:44] Dumbest Liverpoolest thing I've ever.
[1:13:46] Heard you know it's Korean, bigger than Manchester.
[1:13:48] United. That was the bigger club, that
[1:13:50] Man United in 2025. Yes, Milly.
[1:13:52] No. Yes.
[1:13:53] No, no, no, I actually. Cannot believe I'm even the Man
[1:13:56] United is the. Biggest.
[1:13:59] Biggest club, two teams of all time that are better than.
[1:14:02] Manchester United's best team ever?
[1:14:04] Whatever you can speak about. Barcelona, I'm gonna have more.
[1:14:06] Don't go Paris to Liverpool. Yeah, I'm not.
[1:14:09] I'm not. I'm.
[1:14:09] Not marry you all time Barcelona.
[1:14:11] Is Liverpool 6? But right now it's Liverpool is.
[1:14:13] Bigger than Man United? They're not bigger, they're
[1:14:15] better. You can't.
[1:14:16] Be bigger for a year. Both.
[1:14:17] You can't. Be bigger for one year.
[1:14:19] It's it's bigger in general. Enter Enter are bigger than
[1:14:22] Milan. No.
[1:14:25] But you mean they just. Made a SEAL final.
[1:14:26] They're winning. Scudetto.
[1:14:27] Did they win anything? They won as many as Napolis.
[1:14:29] Napolis big as Inter? Napolis bigger than Milan now?
[1:14:32] Well. Inter supposed to be the fucking
[1:14:33] powerhouse in. Italy right now, yes.
[1:14:34] Inter is bigger than Napoli is the biggest.
[1:14:36] Team in Italy right now. Huh.
[1:14:38] Napoli is the biggest team in Italy, right?
[1:14:40] No, enter is supposed to be that.
[1:14:41] Dynasty, but now it's not according to your logic.
[1:14:44] Napoli is the biggest team in Italy.
[1:14:46] They are crazy right now. Right now.
[1:14:48] Napoli is the biggest team in Italy.
[1:14:49] How is that craziness? Why are you guys reacting like
[1:14:51] that? Because they are to be on this
[1:14:52] list. I think it's between.
[1:14:53] Napoli on this list because right now versus a. 100 years of
[1:14:56] history. Yeah, right now Napoli is the
[1:14:57] biggest team in Italy. That's why I'm using with
[1:14:58] mattress here in Barcelona. I'm using a longer stretch of
[1:15:02] period. Okay, but you're forgetting the
[1:15:03] research thing that you just casually.
[1:15:05] I'm not proved. You wrong multiple times, but
[1:15:06] you keep reverting back to this. Right now, right now, right now,
[1:15:10] in the last 15 years, bars has been better the last 30 years,
[1:15:13] bars has been better last six years.
[1:15:14] But I could also acknowledge that the Premier League is.
[1:15:16] Ultimately A tougher league like you have to value that as well.
[1:15:19] They didn't have a fucking. Competitive league for the last
[1:15:23] 100 years. Barcelona has always had Real
[1:15:26] Madrid. Barcelona has always had your
[1:15:27] number one lies. They've always.
[1:15:28] Had your number one on and there's a reason.
[1:15:30] Why they're #1 and Barcelona is number.
[1:15:31] Three and Barcelona has always had hit them in their league.
[1:15:33] Yeah, Where's Liverpool on your list?
[1:15:35] Let me pull. I put them 6.
[1:15:37] That's that's Manchester United's closest.
[1:15:39] Competition Barcelona's competition is #1 in your list
[1:15:42] and that's Man United have a lot of competition, though they
[1:15:44] only. Have one team to worry about if
[1:15:45] Real Madrid's dog shit that year.
[1:15:46] Barcelona's winning. Bob, Bob.
[1:15:48] Real Madrid. Real.
[1:15:49] Madrid in those years that they won the league, Can you?
[1:15:51] Check where they finished in Champions League.
[1:15:53] I'm just curious. Barcelona.
[1:15:55] Yeah, yeah, they didn't do good. So they didn't do well in
[1:15:57] Champions League. Can you check my United?
[1:15:58] What they did in. Champions League, thank you.
[1:16:00] You do that. Why he does this so we could
[1:16:02] compare. So we'll see about the recency
[1:16:04] here. It makes no sense.
[1:16:06] Who is number? 3.
[1:16:09] Absolutely. Let's keep camming that ranking.
[1:16:11] At #3 I'd say Manchester United takes that spot with their
[1:16:15] incredible history, especially under Sir Alex Ferguson and
[1:16:18] their global fan base. They are absolutely one of the
[1:16:21] biggest clubs in the world. Fair.
[1:16:23] Absolutely. One of the biggest and as I
[1:16:25] said. Milan and Man United for me.
[1:16:26] Three and four are interchangeable, but to say
[1:16:28] Barcelona is lower than Man United, this is.
[1:16:30] You're basically saying Barcelona is lower than Milan as
[1:16:32] well. In my eyes, I think Italian
[1:16:33] teams inherently have a lower stature.
[1:16:35] Right now, yes, right, exactly. But just in general?
[1:16:38] As well, I would say exactly. And what about Man United?
[1:16:41] Right now are still a a top three global.
[1:16:43] Brand like I don't understand what you guys are saying then
[1:16:46] you're you're giving too much credit to.
[1:16:47] Brand, I thought you were giving credit to to recency trophies,
[1:16:51] squads, players, legends. What's that?
[1:16:53] Did you want to know? I want to know where they
[1:16:55] finished in Champions League when.
[1:16:56] They won that. They won La Liga.
[1:16:57] The seasons that they won the. Liga, but yeah.
[1:16:59] Then that was after 2014, 2015, yeah.
[1:17:01] So in 2014 they won the Champions League?
[1:17:03] Yeah, they won the the, the, the, the, the La Liga.
[1:17:05] OK. Yeah, the season after 20/15/16
[1:17:08] they won La Liga and they got to the quarterfinals of the quarter
[1:17:12] final. OK, so 20/17/2018.
[1:17:14] They. Won La Liga and they got
[1:17:16] quarterfinals of the Champions League.
[1:17:17] The season after they won La Liga and they finished in the
[1:17:20] semi final of the Champions League.
[1:17:21] OK, they got destroyed though, but yeah.
[1:17:23] Semi, final quarterfinal, quarterfinal and.
[1:17:25] Winning La Liga all those seasons, so no argument there in
[1:17:27] my opinion, I have no problem with.
[1:17:30] Putting Barcelona second. I really don't.
[1:17:31] I'm not. Stick to your guns bro.
[1:17:34] But I again I. I have a reason to put mattress,
[1:17:36] you know I agree, but your reason wasn't good in my I have.
[1:17:39] A Man United second as well. You do too, but him you can't
[1:17:42] be. Serious.
[1:17:43] He's I. Know what you mean?
[1:17:44] I don't give me that. I know.
[1:17:45] Bro, but Millie, I don't know where you are you.
[1:17:50] I put. Emphasis no on brand.
[1:17:52] He's on. He's not He's.
[1:17:53] Public stupid, but he he did say.
[1:17:56] Brand was a big factor of his you.
[1:17:58] Said recently that's what iconic is and stuff like that.
[1:18:00] Goes into it for me. November is truly astonished
[1:18:02] that you put them second. I am astonished.
[1:18:04] But I appreciate the. Glaze bro, the glaze.
[1:18:06] No glaze. It's my opinion, Glaze.
[1:18:08] It's my opinion we created a new limit to the glaze to be honest
[1:18:12] today. OK, no, you want to have fun
[1:18:15] because your list has been all over the place, so I understand
[1:18:17] why you put Manchester United's like a million million.
[1:18:19] Oh my God, what is? Your thinking million, Oh my
[1:18:21] God, you're so stupid. I hold you up to 100 million.
[1:18:23] You're so stupid. Let me gaslight you into
[1:18:25] thinking that your your opinion doesn't mean anything.
[1:18:28] I have a fucking opinion about something and you guys fucking
[1:18:30] sit there and you berate me. What the fuck is the problem?
[1:18:33] We're talking about two and three.
[1:18:35] Yeah, we're talking about two and three.
[1:18:36] It's massive. Next time I do.
[1:18:38] This list I'll make sure to. Take off, Yuva.
[1:18:39] I'll make sure to take off Mila. No problem.
[1:18:41] Now we'll have a conversation. Prove my point.
[1:18:43] What's more? What's your point?
[1:18:44] Thank you prove my. Point.
[1:18:45] Thank you. Thank you.
[1:18:48] You prove. My point.
[1:18:48] Thank you. When they mock, you know you
[1:18:50] want. Yeah, yeah.
[1:18:51] When they fucking and when they all they do is spend. 20 minutes
[1:18:54] saying your opinion's stupid then just take your take your.
[1:18:58] Argument. That's how it works.
[1:19:00] That's how the big works. Yeah, yeah.
[1:19:02] We got pretty much on the same list.
[1:19:03] So no, we have, no, we actually have very, we have together.
[1:19:06] We have very, very together. Wanna go 7 to one.
[1:19:09] They should have only got 3. Lists This is for the viewers.
[1:19:11] 7. Paula, who do you have?
[1:19:12] Liverpool have Juventus 6 AC Milan, Liverpool 5.
[1:19:15] Juventus. Bayern.
[1:19:17] Manchester United 4 Man United. That's OK.
[1:19:19] That's the first. Let's have sex.
[1:19:20] Yeah, let's go. Go for it, I'll.
[1:19:22] Get you guys a room here Go. Yeah.
[1:19:24] Yeah, go. Did you guys use it?
[1:19:25] First fucking shit. Fucking stupid.
[1:19:29] Hurry up and say you're. Fucking once.
[1:19:31] Hurry up and. Say you're once.
[1:19:32] I actually can't believe I'm getting fucking rage made.
[1:19:34] I'm fucking so fucking true. I got rage made in.
[1:19:37] I do get rage made. Because.
[1:19:38] Your list makes no sense. No, it makes no sense.
[1:19:41] Yes, no problem. That's why I.
[1:19:42] Got rage beta. Yeah, yeah.
[1:19:43] Just putting. Manchester, I have a fucking
[1:19:45] opinion. Only just God forbid I have a
[1:19:47] fucking opinion, he said. No.
[1:19:49] Problem what the? Fuck, you mean yeah, yeah, go.
[1:19:53] Hurry up. I want to get this video done.
[1:19:55] Come on, let's go. Come on.
[1:19:56] We got shit to do. Come on.
[1:19:58] So chachi PT #3 #2. Number two, Number two, wait.
[1:20:03] Did we say our number twos? Yeah, OK #2 Barcelona Arsa.
[1:20:06] Yeah, Barsa, Barsa. OK.
[1:20:06] Yeah, my United who is number? 2.
[1:20:10] Gonna be Barcelona. Exactly, you read my mind at. #2
[1:20:17] It's definitely Barcelona with their iconic style of play, the
[1:20:21] whole messy era and just a huge legacy in both Spanish and
[1:20:24] European football. They are absolutely a giant of
[1:20:27] the game, so they comfortably sit in that number two spot.
[1:20:30] Give me, give me two. Arguments why Barcelona should
[1:20:34] be over Manchester United and two arguments why Manchester
[1:20:36] United should be above Barcelona.
[1:20:39] Absolutely. Let's break it down from both.
[1:20:41] Angles so for Barcelona over Manchester United first you've
[1:20:44] got their incredible era of dominance in the late 2000s and
[1:20:47] early 20 tens under Pep Guardiola.
[1:20:50] They kind of redefine modern football with that Tiki T.O.K
[1:20:53] style and one multiple Champions League titles which really set
[1:20:56] them apart Second, they've had this incredible production line
[1:20:59] of legendary players from their Academy like Messi, Chaudhary
[1:21:02] and Yesta. Man United have that also,
[1:21:04] though with. Continue.
[1:21:05] You can continue. Absolutely, and that's a great
[1:21:11] point. So on the flip side for
[1:21:13] Manchester United, open Barcelona.
[1:21:15] First, you can look at United's sustained domestic dominance,
[1:21:18] especially under Sir Alex Ferguson.
[1:21:20] They had such a long period of success in the Premier League,
[1:21:23] making them a truly global brand and one of the most recognized
[1:21:26] clubs in the world. Second, their history in Europe
[1:21:28] is nothing to scoff at either. They've got multiple Champions
[1:21:31] League wins and a legacy that goes back decades.
[1:21:34] So they definitely have that historical pedigree.
[1:21:37] So it's really close call and kind of depends on which angle
[1:21:39] you look at it from. So one of the arguments so close
[1:21:41] call, OK. So I basically up to.
[1:21:43] Interpretation. OK, got it.
[1:21:44] So God forbid I interpret it differently than you.
[1:21:46] And now I'm gonna say it fast. So I'm gonna say it's fast
[1:21:48] before you fucking open your mouth.
[1:21:49] OK, got it. So one of the arguments.
[1:21:51] Yeah, Now we're just. Disrespecting each other.
[1:21:53] So one of the arguments, fucking ridiculous.
[1:21:54] One of the arguments for Manchester United being better
[1:21:56] than Barcelona is was no was Champions League despite
[1:22:01] Barcelona just having better champions in history.
[1:22:03] Yeah. So even ChatGPT couldn't find
[1:22:05] the reason. Got it.
[1:22:06] Number one, Real Madrid. Real Madrid.
[1:22:08] Yeah, let's. I don't think.
[1:22:10] We need to chat. Yeah, Real Madrid, I mean, the
[1:22:14] fact that their brand is literally just excellent.
[1:22:16] It's like it kind of writes itself, you know?
[1:22:18] Yeah, it kind of walks into the fact that not big brand.
[1:22:20] The fact that it's not even debatable is crazy.
[1:22:23] Like no one, even everyone knew when.
[1:22:25] You clicked on this video Is 1 Real Madrid?
[1:22:27] Yeah, unless you're some around Barsak or some shit.
[1:22:30] It's possible. I think Barcelona.
[1:22:32] Fans. Understand that the Champions
[1:22:33] League that they won the three peat, the most recent ones are
[1:22:36] the ones that definitely put them above.
[1:22:38] Yeah, but even the historically bro like.
[1:22:41] Every Pop player went to Real Madrid, yeah.
[1:22:42] If you look really bad, it's not.
[1:22:44] It's not amazing if you look really, really back, but for a
[1:22:48] sustained period of what? How many years have they had,
[1:22:50] like, the top talent in the world?
[1:22:51] They've been winning literally since the 1950s or four.
[1:22:54] Yeah, like literally since day one.
[1:22:55] I'm saying you have since birth. You have to go back a lot.
[1:22:58] Well, that Galactico era wasn't as.
[1:23:00] Successful as I think they yeah, but but they still got legends.
[1:23:03] David Beckham they got. R.
[1:23:05] Nine, they got a legacy brownie. Yeah, like that's why for me,
[1:23:09] like big money signings, like even though if you don't win, I
[1:23:14] don't know, they're theoretically worth it just
[1:23:16] because like just having Neymar play like for PSG, even though
[1:23:19] they didn't win CL, just having Neymar like that was a
[1:23:22] jaw-dropping moment in football. It was an iconic moment in
[1:23:26] itself that you bought Neymar. That's like a power play.
[1:23:29] It's like you you showed Barcelona kind of in that
[1:23:31] situation, like we're we're at the table also, you know, so
[1:23:35] it's like for for me, just buying big players is also like
[1:23:39] a sign of size. It is.
[1:23:42] Yeah, but that's why. Liverpool is a bigger club right
[1:23:45] now than Man United because they're not signing Neymar,
[1:23:49] they're signing. Exactly.
[1:23:50] United, there's no. Neymar around Liverpool.
[1:23:52] Yeah, Esacs. Fucking big bro Esacs Not big,
[1:23:56] there's no. Names anymore, but he's big.
[1:23:58] Words time of signing verts was. Big at the time of signing, but
[1:24:01] it's a two of the those are like let's not rewrite here.
[1:24:03] They saw Neymar though, so. They signed 1 and 2.
[1:24:05] You see that on Neymar then transfer market this.
[1:24:07] Summer. That's bro man.
[1:24:08] United when we signed Pug, but that's.
[1:24:10] A jaw-dropping fucking Why are you?
[1:24:12] Why are you just looking at? Drip like player Di Maria Falcao
[1:24:16] they were signing. Falcao, but he's saying pug in
[1:24:18] dead period, bro. Zlatan Zlatan's A.
[1:24:20] Bigger fucking signing than Isaac and Verts, but I think, I
[1:24:25] think that's just football. Football is slipping away like
[1:24:28] especially in strikers and in Cams 2 positions that Liverpool
[1:24:31] bought striker and Cam words and Isaac.
[1:24:34] That's the top players nowadays. But back then it was Ebra wasn't
[1:24:38] even number one. Yeah, could have been like a
[1:24:40] three even looked 10 years before.
[1:24:42] When Manchester United were signing top players, Liverpool
[1:24:44] were signing the Balotelli's. They were signing in Ricky
[1:24:47] Lambert, the Martin. Skirtles, yes.
[1:24:49] Like there was a down period all the time.
[1:24:52] Man United is definitely bigger than.
[1:24:53] Liverpool. But Liverpool right now is
[1:24:55] bigger. I agree.
[1:24:56] And you guys were saying no, maybe they're stronger.
[1:24:58] As a club, they're stronger. As a club, I wouldn't say big
[1:25:00] Liverpool has more pull than Man United right now.
[1:25:02] Yes, right now, yes. No, but that's what I was.
[1:25:04] Saying they're bigger, there's. There's a more likelihood that a
[1:25:07] fan becomes a Liverpool fan than a Manchester United fan.
[1:25:09] I disagree. I.
[1:25:10] Don't know, I don't know what this.
[1:25:12] It's like. Could even use.
[1:25:13] There's just the public, the the like.
[1:25:17] I just can't put into words like Man United, like we're dog shit,
[1:25:20] yes, but bro, the the we're just everywhere.
[1:25:25] Everywhere you look, it's Man United.
[1:25:26] You're that bop, you're the you're the talk of the town.
[1:25:28] But. Nobody wants to cuff you up.
[1:25:30] I disagree, but sure, Vinny. Next one to join Man United,
[1:25:35] Vinny. Yeah, I'm starting that.
[1:25:36] I just wanted to say. One thing actually before before
[1:25:39] we finish one story that I had shout out to Jesus UVA, he was
[1:25:43] talking about this. So Juventus got we got deducted
[1:25:48] What? We got deducted 10 points two
[1:25:50] seasons ago and we got kicked out of Europe.
[1:25:52] Yeah. And so there was a whole thing,
[1:25:53] OK. And that was what cheating
[1:25:54] scandals, and that was which cheating scandals are called
[1:25:57] this, which was financial. Which one of your multiple
[1:26:00] cheating scandals this? Is one of those Bruce?
[1:26:02] Bruce Valenza. Got it.
[1:26:03] And you know what? That you know what that
[1:26:04] entailed, Bruce? Valenza So for people that don't
[1:26:06] know, it was basically over over over evaluating inflating player
[1:26:12] values that. Like they were.
[1:26:13] Basically like selling players. They're using players as
[1:26:15] currency. So like you, you're a plumber.
[1:26:18] Yeah, but now you're worth. They sold Sorado for 40 million
[1:26:20] to Genoa. Basically, what happened?
[1:26:22] Yeah, basically, OK. So now we look at the Ozyman
[1:26:25] transfer. OK, Ozyman was transferred from
[1:26:28] where? Ozyman was transferred from Lil.
[1:26:29] From Lil Yeah, we know that for 90 million.
[1:26:32] That was the. Whole thing for 90 million, but
[1:26:34] wait. Because there was an
[1:26:35] advancement. So there was, it was for 90
[1:26:37] million, OK, I think not actually more, no, it was 100
[1:26:40] and. 20 No, no no. It was 9090 from what I
[1:26:43] remember. It was they were willing to put
[1:26:44] up. It was either. 50 or 60 million
[1:26:48] in cash they were able to put up for the actual thing.
[1:26:51] And the remainder was four players.
[1:26:54] Call them fucking the all four of the names of The Beatles.
[1:26:56] They were four random fucking guys.
[1:26:58] OK, One valued 7,000,001, valued 4,000,001, valued 5,000,001
[1:27:02] valued 6,000,000. These people, I don't even think
[1:27:05] they played at Lil. These guys never even played at
[1:27:07] Lil. They were just evaluated at
[1:27:09] these numbers for assets, for asset purposes.
[1:27:12] OK, this was textbook Pluse Valenza textbook, but because it
[1:27:16] wasn't Juventus and there was actually a whole list of teams
[1:27:19] that that were that were on investigation for Pluse Valenza.
[1:27:23] But what did the league decide to do?
[1:27:25] Use the biggest team in the league that used Juventus as a
[1:27:28] as a as a, what's it called? Use them not as a scapegoat.
[1:27:31] Use them as an example to the rest of the teams stop doing
[1:27:34] this shit because the rules haven't changed.
[1:27:36] Yeah, the rules in the league have not changed since to block
[1:27:38] plus Valenza. You can still do that.
[1:27:40] You're just you can always evaluate a player a little bit
[1:27:43] more than they than they are. Move UVA up in my ranking.
[1:27:45] No, no, it has nothing. To do with the rankings I.
[1:27:47] Just want to bring this up to the people of the world.
[1:27:50] So Juventus takes a blow for this and obviously shows the
[1:27:53] shows all the other teams and said yeah, don't do this shit
[1:27:55] anymore. And but you know, after the
[1:27:58] fact, they can always come back and check.
[1:28:00] They can always come back and check.
[1:28:02] You know, Patama was doing this nap.
[1:28:04] He was doing this, OK. They checked what Napoli was
[1:28:07] doing. They open the case, as you can
[1:28:10] say once again and said, no, we're closing that thing
[1:28:13] forever. So literally knowing that they
[1:28:17] did something illegal, but because they already kind of
[1:28:19] used Juventus as a as an example to the rest of them, close the
[1:28:22] book on the Ozymen deal. And now they can never bring
[1:28:25] that up ever again in court. They can only bring it up in
[1:28:27] Municipal Court, which is never going to happen on the monopoly.
[1:28:30] So no, not not the best situation for.
[1:28:33] Syria, but yeah, it's a fucking joke I've personally known.
[1:28:37] About the Aussie man deal being? Sketched but we all knew that
[1:28:39] was yeah, I think it was one of the guys give.
[1:28:41] Him a fucking pizza Yolo. The guy that was valued at
[1:28:44] $7,000,000 became a pizza Yolo. I, I don't know, I don't know
[1:28:48] that it's. Just particular.
[1:28:49] Aspect in the deal I didn't. Know but I.
[1:28:51] Knew there was like some sketchy money movements in the Aussie
[1:28:54] man deal because even Napoli buying a a little player that he
[1:28:57] was good, but like 90 million. It was kind of groundbreaking
[1:29:01] for Napoli. It was a bit OK.
[1:29:02] How did how did they do this? And they were still paying it
[1:29:05] off for with these weird things. So.
[1:29:08] But mind you they sold Hawaii 90 mil.
[1:29:10] As well. Was that maybe a year or two
[1:29:12] before? But that, yeah, not not direct.
[1:29:15] I don't know if it's a direct thing, but.
[1:29:18] At the same time, like I think the money was kind of there.
[1:29:20] I was even enjoying in like what, 2020?
[1:29:22] 20 no even later 21/21/2021 because he played versus.
[1:29:26] He scored on Milan in 20. 19 or 2020 a Lil a Lil.
[1:29:30] I remember watching that game. CL game.
[1:29:32] No, I don't think that game that.
[1:29:34] Was a Yahtzee key or whatever, yeah, but but I think yeah, I
[1:29:36] don't know, I. Don't remember the Italian?
[1:29:39] Italian. Courts are always.
[1:29:40] Going to be is always going to be a scandal.
[1:29:41] It's just it's just crazy when the.
[1:29:44] The IT can get to people in Canada like this, this we can we
[1:29:49] can get this news and we know it's public information.
[1:29:52] But meanwhile in Italy, it's not their their.
[1:29:55] I'm sure they talk about it on on the shows.
[1:29:57] No, but I'm saying like legally. The court is able to close the
[1:30:00] book on it. Yeah.
[1:30:00] It's kind of crazy when it's when it's just blatantly
[1:30:02] illegal. Yeah, anyway, fucking up
[1:30:05] anyways, Man United have the. Best one that could in the
[1:30:07] world. JJ Gabriel.
[1:30:09] Just JJ wouldn't. First time I heard his name.
[1:30:11] I don't know if you guys. Saw the video of him hitting.
[1:30:12] The tennis ball on the wall? No way bro, that's.
[1:30:16] On the wall I'll. Show you after how to do it.
[1:30:18] Yeah, yeah, I'm putting my. I would actually put money.
[1:30:21] You're not. Able to do 50?
[1:30:23] Is that just the case? What is it?
[1:30:25] Is it? Like taking the tennis.
[1:30:26] Ball on the wall, but it's not touching.
[1:30:28] The floor. OK, I can do that.
[1:30:29] I'll show you after. Like.
[1:30:32] Not, not. Fucking.
[1:30:37] I'm not sure the video how far. You can do 3.
[1:30:40] How far from the wall? 2 feet.
[1:30:44] No, definitely. 2 feet is like this.
[1:30:46] Bro I can do. I'll show you this I feel.
[1:30:47] Like I could do that. I can do 5 but firms cannot do
[1:30:50] this. Where is it?
[1:30:52] Million tennis ball. Maybe.
[1:30:54] OK, we'll do it after. Yeah, I'm trying to see.
[1:30:58] The sky. Deleted the video or what's up?
[1:30:59] It must have been faked, but I saw people AII.
[1:31:01] Saw people retweeting and saying like bro I fucking literally any
[1:31:05] Academy player should be able to do that no?
[1:31:09] You saw one fucking dumb ass friend of ours say that you put
[1:31:15] the Barber. Gimmick on you.
[1:31:16] Firms can't do this. Maybe he can let.
[1:31:19] Me see, I think he can let me skip later in the video.
[1:31:23] Although further out like that, that's.
[1:31:24] Really. Yeah, if it's further out then.
[1:31:26] We'll see. Look at that shit one second.
[1:31:28] I want to see any, any player that plays like he's moving.
[1:31:31] Around, yeah, no, it's, it's skill.
[1:31:34] Max Dalman, we're coming for your.
[1:31:35] Crown. We have the best wonder kid in
[1:31:37] the world, All right, It's coming down.
[1:31:39] He's a top goal scorer in EU. Eighteens also and he's 14.
[1:31:42] Dalman or JJJJJJ Gabriel, Oh. Well, Dalman is not 14.
[1:31:45] Dalman is what, 1614 Dalman is 14?
[1:31:48] Yeah, 15, playing with Arsenal's first team.
[1:31:50] Dalman, Dalman. That's insane.
[1:31:52] Yeah, fucking JJ. Gabriel, JJ Gabriel, we will be
[1:31:57] there. All right.
[1:32:00] Episode 79. Anything else to say, boys?
[1:32:02] Well, we got Q&A now on patrol. We do.
[1:32:05] It's gonna be a blast. Some.
[1:32:06] Questions there? Take care everyone.
[1:32:08] We'll see you next. Week.

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