# Flying High in Bird Heaven: MSTR, PSUS, ETF

An episode of [Money Stuff: The Podcast](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1739582836), 5 Dec 2025, 29 min.

Audio: https://podtrac.com/pts/redirect.mp3/tracking.swap.fm/track/UVBrz8bN8aM2Xe47PEPu/traffic.omny.fm/d/clips/e73c998e-6e60-432f-8610-ae210140c5b1/ee4336cb-155f-4488-90e0-b1400134e40e/9890a222-6bb9-481e-a9d6-b3aa00fa57d7/audio.mp3?utm_source=Podcast&in_playlist=77e6a3a7-290d-4a82-8164-b14001353ef2

Matt and Katie discuss corporate holiday parties, shareholder meetings, the Strategy narrative arc, Strategy's dollar reserve, an ouroboros of newsletters, digital asset treasury companies in indexes, the brief beautiful life of Katie's bird, Bill Ackman's closed-end fund plans, CEFs vs. ETFs, Howard Hughes, buffer ETFs and the ETFization of structured notes. See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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