# Keeping Payments Safe at Scale – Money20/20 Special Part 2

An episode of [What The Fraud?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1730525068), 19 Jun 2025, 43 min.

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In our second episode of What the Fraud?, recorded live at Money20/20 Europe in Amsterdam, we dive into how leading fintech voices are tackling the growing challenge of sophisticated, borderless fraud. From embedding fraud controls early to leveraging AI and cross-team collaboration, our guests share invaluable insights into balancing security with seamless customer experience. In this episode, you’ll hear from: • Spencer Hanlon, COO at Nium – on the relentless nature of fraud prevention, staying in the “centre lane” of risk appetite, enhancing real-time detection with AI, and building trust-based partnerships to mitigate external risks. • Clarena Furtado, Head of Online International Business at PagSeguro – on the power of robust, AI-driven risk management and trusted local partnerships to minimize fraud exposure. • Ian Morrin, Head of Payments & Platforms at Tink – on why industry-wide collaboration is key to defending against ever-evolving fraud threats. • Darek Paleczny, Chief Risk & Compliance Officer at Worldline – on why fighting fraud isn’t a one-size-fits-all effort, and how governance, integrated systems, and adaptability are crucial. Sumsub's website: sumsub.com Sumsub’s What The Fraud Summit: https://sumsub.link/caj Sumsub's LinkedIn: linkedin.com/sumsub Sumsub's Facebook: facebook.com/sumsub Sumsub's Instagram: facebook.com/sumsubcom Sumsub's YouTube Channel: youtube.com/@sumsubcom Thomas Taraniuk on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tomtaraniuk/ Spencer Hanlon on LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/spencerhanlon/ Clarena Furtado on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/clarenafurtado/ Ian Morrin on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/ianmorrin/ Darek Paleczny on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/darek-paleczny-llb-hons-cams-55398754/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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