# #83 | Keegan Hipgrave | Mindset, Miles & Meaning

An episode of [Backstage with Cooper & Matty Johns](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729949087), 5 Apr 2026, 1 h 04 min.

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Keegan Hipgrave opens up on life after rugby league, diving deep into his mental health journey and the purpose he’s found beyond the game.He shares insights into building his own podcast and using it as a platform to help others. Plus, Keegan talks through his massive goal of running multiple marathons in 2026 and the mindset driving it all. Subscribe, Watch, and Follow Catch the full episode on YouTube and stay updated by following us on social media: Linktree: Backstage with Cooper & Matty Contact Us For any enquiries, email us at: contact@johnsmedia.com.au 0:00-Zed 2:30-Marathons 9:00-Project 12:00-Rugby League 19:00-Titans & Broncos 27:00-Junior Footballers 33:00-Wayne Bennett 36:00-Army Camp 44:00-Portugal & Spain 46:00-Western Australia 47:00-Jarryd Hayne 51:00-Wrestling Payne 56:00-Leaders & Paul ‘The Chief” Harragon See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:02] Speaker 1: What ship we've used all that good stuff to jeez,
[0:05] Speaker 1: what do we talk about? I know we should have
[0:07] Speaker 1: kept the mics on a half an hour ago. Bloody ell,
[0:09] Speaker 1: it's pretty hot out there. Maybe we'll do the podcast
[0:11] Speaker 1: with our shirts offt.
[0:12] Speaker 2: That sounds good.
[0:14] Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. Between Keys and you, I don't
[0:16] Speaker 1: know who'd have the burther rig because you got one
[0:18] Speaker 1: of the great rigs.
[0:19] Speaker 3: Keys, Dude, I'll tell you what. No one has ever
[0:20] Speaker 3: told me that before.
[0:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, dude, I'll take it though year for a reason.
[0:26] Speaker 1: Have you seen Daddy this shirt off at the main
[0:28] Speaker 1: I haven't.
[0:28] Speaker 2: You ever seen pulp fiction?
[0:30] Speaker 3: No?
[0:32] Speaker 1: Brother, Actually, that's what I swear. His only movie reference
[0:39] Speaker 1: is always you know you obviously have you know, some
[0:41] Speaker 1: people might quite good will hunting Dad always baseline always
[0:45] Speaker 1: goes back to pulp fiction. You know, and you haven't
[0:48] Speaker 1: watched it?
[0:49] Speaker 3: No, No, you got to watch it.
[0:51] Speaker 2: Do yourself a favor, mate. It is I think in
[0:53] Speaker 2: my top three movies. Really why it's just good, incredible,
[0:58] Speaker 2: Like the dialogue from Tarantine. Like there's scenes where, say,
[1:01] Speaker 2: John Travolda's character and Samuel or Jackson, they just sit
[1:05] Speaker 2: in the car and they just start riffing and I reckon.
[1:07] Speaker 2: I don't think it's in the script. I think he
[1:08] Speaker 2: just let him go, and he's like talking about he goes,
[1:13] Speaker 2: he goes, he loves it. Quarter pound he goes, quarter pounder.
[1:16] Speaker 2: You know what they call it in France. He goes,
[1:19] Speaker 2: I don't know, quarter pounder. He goes. No, man, they
[1:22] Speaker 2: don't have the metric system. It's called a royale with cheese.
[1:25] Speaker 2: Fucking royale with cheese. Really, yeah, I'll turn nothing. They
[1:28] Speaker 2: put me and ease on that ship and the French
[1:30] Speaker 2: pise get the fuck out of here, and it just keeps.
[1:36] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's got the whole shrip down.
[1:38] Speaker 4: He did Butcher those those those words, though they weren't
[1:40] Speaker 4: exactly on par.
[1:42] Speaker 2: It was a general theme.
[1:44] Speaker 1: Yeah, he's not himself today too. He's hungover. He's not
[1:48] Speaker 1: usually we apologize, he's not usually hungover for poddies.
[1:51] Speaker 3: Man, I'm loving the stories that we've already been talking about. Like,
[1:53] Speaker 3: I'm really already settled into.
[1:55] Speaker 2: This, mister, flight this morning, did you really? Yeah? Because
[1:57] Speaker 2: I got up right, had a shower and I went
[1:59] Speaker 2: eight o'clock flight, looked on it up. I've I've set
[2:04] Speaker 2: the alarm just way too early, so then I'll just
[2:06] Speaker 2: lay down. Woke up and I've looked and gone, oh,
[2:09] Speaker 2: I'm watching Sunrise and eight forteen and camera, and I went,
[2:13] Speaker 2: get the fuck.
[2:14] Speaker 3: Out of here. You're you're a veteran. You've done this
[2:17] Speaker 3: too many times to be doing that thirty years.
[2:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, after thirty years you generally get the hangar feet.
[2:27] Speaker 1: We're going to talk through some of your footy career,
[2:28] Speaker 1: but let's start off at the present. This year seven marathons. Yeah, brother,
[2:33] Speaker 1: your bloody luna.
[2:34] Speaker 3: Have you guys ran a marathon? Yeah?
[2:36] Speaker 1: And I never will?
[2:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, city surface take that.
[2:41] Speaker 1: What's the distance of that?
[2:42] Speaker 3: It's fourteen but mate, fourteen is bloody tough, dude. Like
[2:46] Speaker 3: I remember when we were playing footy, a few of
[2:48] Speaker 3: the boys we were talking at the times and when
[2:50] Speaker 3: we were in it, we said, after footy, we're not
[2:53] Speaker 3: running ever again, Like we're done, especially when you're in
[2:56] Speaker 3: the thicker pre season. Yeah. And and fast forward like
[3:00] Speaker 3: those same lads that we were talking, like with Mitch Rain,
[3:02] Speaker 3: Anthony Don even Nathan Peters, they're all dipping their toes
[3:05] Speaker 3: in like half marathon. Then Anthony Don Don did a
[3:08] Speaker 3: marathon a couple maybe like a year and a half
[3:11] Speaker 3: two years ago. Don's quick, Don's got limbs, get out?
[3:14] Speaker 1: Yeah, John, seems like what.
[3:17] Speaker 2: So I said, you get programmed to it, you've trained
[3:19] Speaker 2: all your life, you just can't go. Well, I'm sorry.
[3:22] Speaker 2: I was going to say, you just caun't snap. But
[3:24] Speaker 2: you've many's.
[3:26] Speaker 1: Some some can some cart it's not it's all mental.
[3:29] Speaker 1: But you guys, I reckon.
[3:31] Speaker 3: That was one of the things because like when I left,
[3:33] Speaker 3: because I left pretty bit earlier than probably what like
[3:35] Speaker 3: you typically how.
[3:37] Speaker 1: Old were you? It's twenty four, twenty four, same age.
[3:40] Speaker 3: Well that's a very good twenty four club, twenty four club,
[3:46] Speaker 3: but the thirty one club. But whatever, I was like,
[3:50] Speaker 3: I don't want to I didn't want to stop training.
[3:52] Speaker 3: I still wanted to keep keep doing things. And so
[3:54] Speaker 3: I actually did the City to Serve and I met
[3:57] Speaker 3: this guy and we just you know, this guy on
[3:59] Speaker 3: the run and we just got on really well. And
[4:01] Speaker 3: it's like, after the City Surf, why don't we do
[4:03] Speaker 3: like a twenty two k like trail run and the
[4:06] Speaker 3: Blue Mount's called the UTA but it ended up getting
[4:09] Speaker 3: sold out. But there was the fifty kilometer options called
[4:11] Speaker 3: like an Ultra Ultra trail and we ended up dipping
[4:14] Speaker 3: into that, so we did the fifty kilometer rate and
[4:16] Speaker 3: then off the back of that. I don't know, there's
[4:17] Speaker 3: something about having like a little challenge, having something that
[4:21] Speaker 3: you really want to work towards, and then having like
[4:23] Speaker 3: a two to three month block, because it kind of
[4:25] Speaker 3: kind of resembles footy a little bit, especially when you're
[4:27] Speaker 3: out a bit earlier. I was like, I need a challenge,
[4:29] Speaker 3: like I needed something to do.
[4:30] Speaker 1: I suppose it does that. It's like it's almost like
[4:32] Speaker 1: why so many footy lads go into boxing, Like you
[4:35] Speaker 1: train for like a nine week block like a preseason,
[4:37] Speaker 1: You do thing, and then you got your little off
[4:38] Speaker 1: season so you can let your hair down.
[4:40] Speaker 2: As there's a thing that sits I thought originally in
[4:43] Speaker 2: the brain, but I sat next to a physicist on
[4:45] Speaker 2: the way back from portman Quoriy and he was saying, now,
[4:47] Speaker 2: this thing sits at the very top of the spine
[4:49] Speaker 2: and at the top of the nervous system, and it's
[4:51] Speaker 2: literally a muscle. Now, the muscle can grow or subtract,
[4:55] Speaker 2: and it dictates. It grows when you basically through exercise exertion,
[5:02] Speaker 2: doing things that make you uncomfortable, even the very fact
[5:05] Speaker 2: that you go, oh, you know, I just don't want
[5:07] Speaker 2: to do that, and you do it and it actually
[5:09] Speaker 2: stimulates it. Hence the fact why in retirement you should continue.
[5:13] Speaker 2: Sure the human body, particularly they sit with males, are
[5:17] Speaker 2: built are built for hard work. That's what it is.
[5:20] Speaker 2: And when you know that's why you see people can
[5:22] Speaker 2: fall into depression and things.
[5:23] Speaker 3: Like that, is that one of the things that they
[5:24] Speaker 3: talked about where you're doing something that's hard, that's actually
[5:27] Speaker 3: genuinely hard to you. Like if you like running, going
[5:30] Speaker 3: for a run might be pretty, but if you do
[5:32] Speaker 3: something they actually generally don't want to do, like if
[5:34] Speaker 3: you hate running, you're like, you know, what I'm going
[5:36] Speaker 3: to start up? Is a wonder if that's the part
[5:38] Speaker 3: of the brain.
[5:38] Speaker 2: Micro because they say dopamine, for instance, it's a scale.
[5:42] Speaker 2: So what happens these days we've got it all wrong generally,
[5:46] Speaker 2: is that what dopamine was in the scales is that
[5:50] Speaker 2: you know, to level the scales. Put it this way,
[5:52] Speaker 2: when you train really hard, as you know, you feel
[5:55] Speaker 2: good after it, that's because you're basically the scales go
[5:58] Speaker 2: to hard work and then the dope milk cut that
[6:01] Speaker 2: comes up to balance it and what happens these days.
[6:05] Speaker 2: A lot of things with depression is the fact when
[6:07] Speaker 2: people you get on the grog or you sit there
[6:09] Speaker 2: and yeah, you're on TikTok whatever it is. Young people
[6:12] Speaker 2: do TikTok that gives you an artificial hit a day
[6:19] Speaker 2: for me, and to level that up, of course, scales
[6:22] Speaker 2: drop and levels it up.
[6:24] Speaker 1: Do you want to hear something wise? A Japanese concept something
[6:27] Speaker 1: wise it's called massogui or masogi masogi masogi and learned
[6:32] Speaker 1: this in Japan, and basically their theory is once a year,
[6:36] Speaker 1: you do something for one day that's so hard mentally
[6:39] Speaker 1: and it makes the other three hundred and sixty four
[6:41] Speaker 1: days of the year seem easy. Like it makes it
[6:44] Speaker 1: feel mentally less challenging. And I I always relate it
[6:48] Speaker 1: back to when you do an army camp in like
[6:50] Speaker 1: an NRL preseason and the boys in the middle of
[6:53] Speaker 1: the going it's probably not the smart thing to do
[6:55] Speaker 1: for your body, because some boys can get hurt or
[6:57] Speaker 1: lose weight and whatnot. But like I remember literally in
[7:02] Speaker 1: games later that year after in an army camp, things
[7:05] Speaker 1: are getting so hard, you're so tired, or like you
[7:07] Speaker 1: get you've missed a few tackles and you saw and
[7:10] Speaker 1: you're like in your head, you're like, this is still
[7:12] Speaker 1: not as hard as that army camp. Like you always
[7:14] Speaker 1: you always go back to baseline. Is that's the extreme measure.
[7:17] Speaker 1: It makes everything else seem easier.
[7:18] Speaker 3: But I love that concept because people talk about like
[7:20] Speaker 3: doing hard things. I reckon people who are in that
[7:22] Speaker 3: space of doing hard things very much of the opinion that, well,
[7:26] Speaker 3: if I'm going to present myself in this scenario that
[7:29] Speaker 3: is so hard, the rest like life can be easy.
[7:31] Speaker 3: Like we overcomplicate life so much, like and we have
[7:35] Speaker 3: so many stresses in life. But if you're like, Okay,
[7:36] Speaker 3: I'm going to start up to a marathon or whatever
[7:39] Speaker 3: your thing might be. It might be a ten k,
[7:40] Speaker 3: might be a twenty k, might be an iron man.
[7:42] Speaker 3: When we put ourselves in these arenas, it's kind of like, oh,
[7:45] Speaker 3: you know, the neighbors said something to me. It's actually
[7:47] Speaker 3: probably not that big of a deal. Someone cuts you
[7:49] Speaker 3: off in traffic, It's probably not that bad. But that
[7:52] Speaker 3: masoga I've heard of that before. It's it's awesome. I
[7:55] Speaker 3: think Jeremie or Jesse Steltzer, one of the one of
[7:58] Speaker 3: this one of the runners on on Instagram, socials, whatever
[8:03] Speaker 3: you want to call it, the TikTok, the kids, these acts.
[8:05] Speaker 3: But he's an incredible entrepreneur, but he talks about him
[8:07] Speaker 3: and he does one every year, and he's like, he's like,
[8:10] Speaker 3: it should be hard enough where you can look back
[8:13] Speaker 3: in like twenty seventeen was the year that I did this,
[8:16] Speaker 3: And it might not be physical. It might be like
[8:17] Speaker 3: starting a podcast or starting a business or having a kid,
[8:20] Speaker 3: which you going to imagine could be pretty specifficultimes.
[8:23] Speaker 2: Kids child insane, lose that sort brother, I've lost it.
[8:29] Speaker 3: I lost it.
[8:29] Speaker 1: Nah. So runners through the marathon? What's seven marathon? Were you?
[8:33] Speaker 3: Are?
[8:33] Speaker 1: They all overseas?
[8:34] Speaker 3: So the seven majors, So the seven major marathons in
[8:36] Speaker 3: the world. It's like Tokyo, Boston, London, Sydney which just
[8:41] Speaker 3: became a major last year, Yeah, Berlin, Chicago, New York,
[8:45] Speaker 3: so the seven. So they're like considered to be seven
[8:47] Speaker 3: majors in the world.
[8:47] Speaker 1: Are you going to like be able to go over
[8:50] Speaker 1: and sort of enjoy it, like be able to tourist these
[8:52] Speaker 1: spots as well? You're going out of there just for business.
[8:55] Speaker 3: Well, the big part of the project was a few
[8:58] Speaker 3: things like one was to be able to like I guess,
[9:00] Speaker 3: positive mental health. That's a huge part of what we
[9:02] Speaker 3: do at the podcast and psychology and promoting positive things.
[9:05] Speaker 3: So I think running is obviously the main thing, but
[9:07] Speaker 3: from a podcasting point of view, we do want to
[9:09] Speaker 3: grow more globally and we want to have conversations in
[9:12] Speaker 3: the US and the UK. So this project was just
[9:14] Speaker 3: an avenue for us to be able to do something
[9:16] Speaker 3: really hard as what we mentioned, but then also have
[9:19] Speaker 3: conversations with cool crew like all over the world. To
[9:22] Speaker 3: answer your question, we'll go in. We'll spend probably like
[9:25] Speaker 3: a week of simulating in there to do our podcast,
[9:28] Speaker 3: catch up with some crew, run the race, and then
[9:30] Speaker 3: I think we'll probably dip around, Like Tokyo's three weeks away,
[9:34] Speaker 3: so we'll bounce into a Sarka Kyoto see some cool spots.
[9:37] Speaker 3: Because you said you were just.
[9:39] Speaker 1: There, that me and Jack with there just late last year.
[9:41] Speaker 3: Man, I've never been, but I heard it's like incredible. Yea,
[9:45] Speaker 3: it is.
[9:45] Speaker 2: Literally when you arrive and you being particularly Tokyo Kyoto
[9:48] Speaker 2: is beautiful to more traditional but when you go land
[9:51] Speaker 2: in Tokyo and go around the first time you're on
[9:52] Speaker 2: a different planet, totally different. It's a it's a place
[9:56] Speaker 2: that was preserved. Do you want to hear? Do you
[9:59] Speaker 2: want to get a one minute?
[10:00] Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm fully set.
[10:02] Speaker 2: He loves it. The last bastion for Catholicism was Japan.
[10:06] Speaker 2: It was real I think it was Shinto. It's gone
[10:08] Speaker 2: back to that now. And they sent Sir Francis Avia
[10:11] Speaker 2: there I think it was sixteenth century, so he went
[10:14] Speaker 2: there in the sixteen hundred. Sorry, So he went there
[10:16] Speaker 2: and in a short period of time basically converted into
[10:19] Speaker 2: the all of the country to Catholicism. And then the
[10:21] Speaker 2: ruling parties realized that Catholicism is absolute, so they lost
[10:26] Speaker 2: their ruling power. So they went around Japan and they said,
[10:30] Speaker 2: renounce all drawing Cordia, we'll kill you. So those who
[10:34] Speaker 2: didn't wouldn't renounce, they would kill and most of the
[10:37] Speaker 2: population there renounced anyway. They didn't kill Sir franss Avia.
[10:40] Speaker 2: They sent him, put him on a boat, see you later. Gone,
[10:43] Speaker 2: And for the next two over, just over two hundred years,
[10:45] Speaker 2: they had boats circling their own island there, and anyone
[10:49] Speaker 2: who came in that was foreign, particularly if they were missionaries,
[10:51] Speaker 2: they'd just kill on the spot. And it wasn't until
[10:54] Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds, but it was eighteen sixty two the
[10:57] Speaker 2: Industrial Revolution happened and they found out they were so
[11:00] Speaker 2: far behind the world, and they reached out to America,
[11:02] Speaker 2: and America came in and basically tried to pull pull
[11:05] Speaker 2: them into the modern world. And Kyoto was once the capital,
[11:09] Speaker 2: but when the Anks went in, they said, mate, you
[11:10] Speaker 2: need a port. They got an import and export. So
[11:13] Speaker 2: they found this tiny, little shit little village called Edo,
[11:16] Speaker 2: and that's Tokyo. Now that's the course of that preservation
[11:19] Speaker 2: over such a long period of time. You can see
[11:22] Speaker 2: you go there, that preserve culture they have. They have
[11:24] Speaker 2: maintained their culture to the nth degree, and it's just amazing.
[11:29] Speaker 4: If you want to, if you want to actually watch it,
[11:31] Speaker 4: there's a movie. Score says he did a movie twenty
[11:33] Speaker 4: sixteen called Silence with Andrew Garfield and Adam Driver And yeah,
[11:38] Speaker 4: it's a big part of it.
[11:39] Speaker 1: It's very good, is it as long as Dad explaining
[11:41] Speaker 1: it hopefully, And it's way more interesting fifty seconds that
[11:46] Speaker 1: you are so wasted on Fox League like you you
[11:49] Speaker 1: should have been on SBS or ABC years ago. Discovery Channel,
[11:53] Speaker 1: Animal waiting for to come to an animals. Can we
[11:58] Speaker 1: dive into a bit of you Rugby league stuff? So
[11:59] Speaker 1: you spoke about it before Goldie boy born and raised
[12:03] Speaker 1: and where'd you go to school?
[12:04] Speaker 3: PBC.
[12:06] Speaker 1: The juniors that are coming out of that place, what
[12:09] Speaker 1: are bloody.
[12:10] Speaker 3: Well, even like when I was When I was growing up,
[12:12] Speaker 3: it was like Ryan James, Kavy Procter, Sam Parrot, like
[12:16] Speaker 3: there were so many good crew that we looked up to.
[12:18] Speaker 3: And then even since we've when I was there, probably
[12:21] Speaker 3: similar vintage like Jerome Hughes, Kane Elger, a few of
[12:24] Speaker 3: those crew, and then the young guys that have come
[12:26] Speaker 3: up since we've left has been incredible.
[12:28] Speaker 1: Who's been there since that counter Kinney I think it was.
[12:33] Speaker 2: He was paint House Cubra.
[12:36] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean that whole area Goldie is actually
[12:41] Speaker 3: like a breeding ground for for young talent right coming
[12:43] Speaker 3: through give me Newcastle vibes to be honest, Like, as
[12:46] Speaker 3: I was mentioned, my mum's from Newcastle and so we
[12:49] Speaker 3: would spend a heap of time there and so every
[12:50] Speaker 3: time we would go there, it would give me a
[12:52] Speaker 3: very similar vibe between Goldie.
[12:55] Speaker 1: And new In did you got a like being your
[12:57] Speaker 1: mom being from Newcastle your Knights fan. You're a Goldie fan?
[12:59] Speaker 3: Who my grandparents were. My grandparents were all Newcastle fans
[13:03] Speaker 3: and I was mentioned like Paul Harrigan. We spent a
[13:05] Speaker 3: lot of time with them and they were so my
[13:08] Speaker 3: grandparents and his parents were like really close, and so
[13:10] Speaker 3: our parents were really close. And then us kids. We
[13:13] Speaker 3: would say if if it wasn't going to be Goldi
[13:16] Speaker 3: or Brizzy, it would have been Newcastle. I think my
[13:19] Speaker 3: mom and dad have like this little photo of my
[13:21] Speaker 3: sister and are like in Full Night Kids when we
[13:23] Speaker 3: were like full grounds.
[13:24] Speaker 1: Yeah, do they do they sort of have a favorite
[13:26] Speaker 1: player or anything like that.
[13:29] Speaker 3: I'm like sure, man, I'm not sure. I don't ask
[13:32] Speaker 3: those really pointy questions.
[13:34] Speaker 2: Look mate, you're a guest on the podcast.
[13:39] Speaker 1: Keep Yeah, because you played for the under eightings, Marines
[13:45] Speaker 1: and twenties, but you were the skipper of the eighteens.
[13:48] Speaker 1: Did you play with like was Harry Green and those
[13:50] Speaker 1: sort of lads in the origin side? Who are some
[13:52] Speaker 1: of the boys in that side?
[13:52] Speaker 3: Yeah? We Hadrimo Brimson, Harry Grant was in that side.
[13:58] Speaker 3: Who else I remember? I looked at this team. I'm
[14:00] Speaker 3: not too long ago Kennepalace was in that side.
[14:04] Speaker 1: Surely is one.
[14:08] Speaker 3: Yeah we did, Yeah, yeah we did, Yeah, yeah, no,
[14:10] Speaker 3: we did. It was it was a cool crew. But
[14:12] Speaker 3: like you know, when you're younger, you don't I don't
[14:13] Speaker 3: really know who's gonna make it. You kind of think like, oh,
[14:16] Speaker 3: it would be awesome to potentially go on and play
[14:18] Speaker 3: one day, but it's probably just that little bit too
[14:21] Speaker 3: far away because you're not really in a system yet,
[14:23] Speaker 3: or you might have just entered the NRL system. But
[14:26] Speaker 3: looking back on that, like, it is so cool to
[14:27] Speaker 3: see the crew that go on and play. It's going
[14:29] Speaker 3: to do so good out of it as well.
[14:30] Speaker 1: Crazy when you see like a lot of those websides
[14:32] Speaker 1: when you go back in hindsight now look back, like
[14:35] Speaker 1: whether it be Aussie school boys or under twenties origin
[14:38] Speaker 1: things like that, the amount of boys that don't make it, yeah,
[14:41] Speaker 1: Like because I imagine it'd be tough when you make
[14:44] Speaker 1: like a webside and you're under twenty. Because a lot
[14:45] Speaker 1: of people like prodigies debut at like nineteen and eighteen,
[14:49] Speaker 1: you think like, oh, I'm basically I'm going to like
[14:51] Speaker 1: debut in the NFL. I don't know whether it's a
[14:53] Speaker 1: complacency thing, or whether people just sort of they stopped
[14:57] Speaker 1: working as hard or they did whatever happens, they stopped developing.
[14:59] Speaker 1: But but so many people from those under twenties, under
[15:02] Speaker 1: eighties websites or even I was your school boys, they
[15:04] Speaker 1: don't really like they don't kick on.
[15:06] Speaker 3: There's a few. I remember when I was there. I
[15:08] Speaker 3: used to think, like you'd see the past photos of
[15:10] Speaker 3: the guys that would play, that would go on, so
[15:12] Speaker 3: you're like, oh, if I make the schoolboys team, then
[15:14] Speaker 3: I'm probably more likely a chance to go on and play.
[15:17] Speaker 3: That was kind of my thought process. But then it's
[15:19] Speaker 3: still hard, Like it is so hard when you go
[15:21] Speaker 3: especially when you go into a system pretty young, like
[15:24] Speaker 3: at seventeen eighteen year old, like you're kind of way
[15:27] Speaker 3: past the ball when it like physicality wise, because you're
[15:29] Speaker 3: still a kid again thrown and you're like, oh, I'm
[15:32] Speaker 3: so well, I don't know. For me, it felt like
[15:34] Speaker 3: I was so far behind, and I felt like I
[15:35] Speaker 3: was constantly like trying to justify like my spot in
[15:38] Speaker 3: the side, like I was at Bronx. That was my
[15:40] Speaker 3: first contract, and so it was the time where I
[15:42] Speaker 3: was like Corey Parker semi Thriday, Josh McGuire Dubs was there,
[15:46] Speaker 3: so I was like all these crew that we looked
[15:48] Speaker 3: up to, and remember I rolled into it and I
[15:50] Speaker 3: was like, had like try to have this like fake
[15:53] Speaker 3: ego on me, and I was like, I'm going to
[15:54] Speaker 3: go in. I'm just gonna try and bash, yeah, and
[15:57] Speaker 3: I was humbled very quickly.
[15:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, because a lot of times it's particularly tricky for
[16:03] Speaker 2: the big guys. And what I mean by this is
[16:06] Speaker 2: for the big guys. You see them at Australian school
[16:09] Speaker 2: boys and I remember seeing Day for Food. I mean
[16:12] Speaker 2: like when I went and saw you play, the only
[16:15] Speaker 2: thing that stopped Dave was a dead ball one like
[16:18] Speaker 2: he could have dead set run the cans and stopping.
[16:21] Speaker 2: But what happens is Coogan, is when you take that
[16:24] Speaker 2: next step up and you going to gray, you know,
[16:27] Speaker 2: as opposed to the juniors where everything is very much
[16:29] Speaker 2: built on physicality, Suddenly when you go that next step up,
[16:32] Speaker 2: you need more than physicality, and you know, you get
[16:35] Speaker 2: the really big guys right, and when they play junior football,
[16:38] Speaker 2: they are oftentimes you know, let's say a big back
[16:40] Speaker 2: Roway and he's marked up against a guy and he's
[16:42] Speaker 2: playing against guys who are oftentimes smaller and they're terrified.
[16:46] Speaker 2: But then when you go to the NRL, you're playing
[16:48] Speaker 2: against guys who put a circle around your name from
[16:51] Speaker 2: six weeks out and say, I can't wait, and you
[16:55] Speaker 2: need to plan B and you need to plan seat,
[16:57] Speaker 2: and you need you need smarts, and you need to
[16:58] Speaker 2: have you need to know how to work with playmakers.
[17:02] Speaker 2: And it's probably the same with America. With American football,
[17:04] Speaker 2: you see college starts of Johnny Manzel. You know a
[17:07] Speaker 2: lot of guys that go the first draft pick, but
[17:09] Speaker 2: then they go to the NFL. I don't quite crack
[17:11] Speaker 2: it is that. It's just that difference. You know it
[17:14] Speaker 2: was Cerebray, you know, like that you know that they
[17:16] Speaker 2: got it. It's very difficult, but.
[17:18] Speaker 3: That's probably great knowledge for any young kid coming through,
[17:20] Speaker 3: right because all the coaches that I had coming through
[17:22] Speaker 3: was always that because I was like an aggressive style
[17:24] Speaker 3: of player. So they were like, don't lose that, like
[17:27] Speaker 3: like you don't ever want to lose that. So I
[17:28] Speaker 3: leant into it and probably didn't lean into honing my
[17:31] Speaker 3: skills or having that awareness or that knowledge of like
[17:34] Speaker 3: linking with our playmakers more or doing more. It wasn't
[17:37] Speaker 3: until like later when you're like mid twenties, are like,
[17:40] Speaker 3: now it's probably time to look at it right. Well,
[17:42] Speaker 3: I don't know, it's just the awareness I thought it was.
[17:43] Speaker 1: Probably I feel like I feel like that age like
[17:46] Speaker 1: now you see you probably see those those aggressive like
[17:50] Speaker 1: intent players who kind of come out and try to
[17:53] Speaker 1: fly out of the line, like they're heavily penalized now,
[17:56] Speaker 1: Like that sort of player isn't sort of not that
[17:59] Speaker 1: they're not well come in the NRL now, but like
[18:01] Speaker 1: that enforcer type player, they're heavily governed now because if
[18:06] Speaker 1: you go and try to put pressure on a playmaker
[18:07] Speaker 1: and whack him too hard, like they've seeing it that
[18:09] Speaker 1: it's in bit now. So I suppose it's it is
[18:12] Speaker 1: very much now that modern generation is like you have
[18:14] Speaker 1: to be there's times to be that aggressive player, like
[18:17] Speaker 1: if someone's running straight at yeah, you'd be aggressive with it.
[18:20] Speaker 1: But there's times like that that old school mentality like
[18:23] Speaker 1: you go out and you fly it and you smack
[18:24] Speaker 1: the half back. That doesn't really happen anymore.
[18:28] Speaker 2: I'm going to lean on you here for a second,
[18:30] Speaker 2: and I'm not it's the wrong term to say brutally honest,
[18:34] Speaker 2: but honest conversation. Right, because we're owners now in the Titans.
[18:39] Speaker 2: What's been the problem?
[18:42] Speaker 3: I think it was when I was there, I had
[18:44] Speaker 3: three coaches over the space of four years.
[18:46] Speaker 2: Gotcha, So I was stability. Yeah.
[18:48] Speaker 3: Well I rolled in with Neil Henry King and I
[18:52] Speaker 3: was back into my career. I was probably yeah, it
[18:56] Speaker 3: was probably like twenty sixteen, twenty seven, and then rolled
[18:59] Speaker 3: in with Brannan and then had Justin Holbrook at the
[19:01] Speaker 3: back end of it. And you know, everyone talks around like, oh,
[19:04] Speaker 3: people come to the Gold Coast because it's like a
[19:06] Speaker 3: party bit of a party life style. But for me,
[19:08] Speaker 3: I didn't get that vibe at all because that was home.
[19:10] Speaker 3: I had a lot of mates who are from there
[19:13] Speaker 3: round James K and LG. Kevin Procter, We had Connie
[19:16] Speaker 3: Herol was like not that he grew up there, but
[19:18] Speaker 3: he was definitely a part of the furniture when we
[19:20] Speaker 3: were there, And so I never really got the point
[19:23] Speaker 3: of that it was actually a big party town when
[19:26] Speaker 3: we're when we're in it, yes, we go for beers
[19:27] Speaker 3: all the time, but it wasn't It wasn't that. If
[19:30] Speaker 3: it was, if I was going to be brutally honest. Yeah,
[19:32] Speaker 3: I think it would would probably be around the stability piece.
[19:35] Speaker 3: Like I imagine having like a like a like a
[19:39] Speaker 3: Bellamy like for there for like ten years and you've
[19:41] Speaker 3: got that culture and it's ingrain and you know, it's
[19:44] Speaker 3: people talking about hard work and having the family around
[19:47] Speaker 3: and having a really good, like I guess like culture there.
[19:49] Speaker 3: We were kind of up and down. Like you know,
[19:51] Speaker 3: when you go through a club rebuild, it sucks you
[19:53] Speaker 3: having crisis meetings every month.
[19:55] Speaker 2: You're knocking the house down every couple of years.
[19:57] Speaker 3: It's exhausted.
[19:59] Speaker 1: Even like not just having a different coach, but completely
[20:03] Speaker 1: different playbook terminal new coaches come in. It's not like
[20:06] Speaker 1: they change, you know, your mentality, Like they're changing calls,
[20:11] Speaker 1: so that takes adjusting to it. They're changing combinations. They
[20:13] Speaker 1: might not rate a certain player, so they're they're changing
[20:16] Speaker 1: people's positions. Like there's a lot of change other than
[20:19] Speaker 1: just the culture that goes on when you swap out
[20:20] Speaker 1: a coach, because oftentimes they also sackle the assistance.
[20:23] Speaker 3: With them the whole.
[20:24] Speaker 1: They want to bring everyone else their own strength and conditions.
[20:27] Speaker 2: That's one of the biggest problems with clubs is they
[20:29] Speaker 2: put all the power in the hands of the head coach,
[20:31] Speaker 2: and the head coach will eventually go well, the head
[20:33] Speaker 2: coach sometimes sees the riding on the wall. And I'm
[20:36] Speaker 2: not saying they all do it, but oftentimes they'll put
[20:38] Speaker 2: the salary cap out of whack, they'll leave a turd
[20:40] Speaker 2: under the bed, so to speak, or they'll take the
[20:44] Speaker 2: football education with them. And that's why it's so important.
[20:46] Speaker 2: Like one of the things at the moment, Scotty Saddler
[20:49] Speaker 2: there who knows his football inside out, the great man,
[20:51] Speaker 2: one of the great men, and you know, and so
[20:53] Speaker 2: the football education, they have all the good things that
[20:56] Speaker 2: one coach will bring bring in he won't allowed to
[20:59] Speaker 2: just disappear. And like if you look at the Warriors,
[21:01] Speaker 2: the Warriors went through a lot of difficult times. Now
[21:05] Speaker 2: they're getting stability. Now they're getting consistency because Andrew Webster's
[21:09] Speaker 2: now going into year three. Yeah, and but for the Warriors,
[21:13] Speaker 2: that's a long stint. There was one period in the
[21:16] Speaker 2: Warrior's history. I think it was something like twelve coaches
[21:19] Speaker 2: fourteen years. How can you get continuity, form, combination, all
[21:25] Speaker 2: those things?
[21:25] Speaker 3: Can you get your thoughts on it? As well, because
[21:27] Speaker 3: you know when people have like there's incredible athletes and
[21:30] Speaker 3: they've been in the sport or in their discipline for
[21:32] Speaker 3: your ten plus years. Think Lebron, Think Tiger Woods, think
[21:36] Speaker 3: all these like ash Party, they've been doing it for
[21:38] Speaker 3: so long, so of course with consistency that it's time.
[21:42] Speaker 3: There's a book by Angela Duckworth called Grit. It's kind
[21:45] Speaker 3: of like passion and perseverance. So it's like doing something
[21:47] Speaker 3: you love over a long period of time. You look
[21:50] Speaker 3: at these athletes who have incredible success, like the Tom Brady's,
[21:53] Speaker 3: the guys who absolutely christ they've been doing it for
[21:56] Speaker 3: so long. So I wonder if you apply that logic
[21:59] Speaker 3: to a team environment who you've had the same coach,
[22:02] Speaker 3: you've had the same, similar system, similar leadership crew. I
[22:05] Speaker 3: wonder what that would look like. Well, you could obviously
[22:08] Speaker 3: look you pick out a couple of NRL teams who
[22:10] Speaker 3: have had that stability.
[22:12] Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's in the year we won the company
[22:15] Speaker 2: nine to ninety seven. We were a group of young
[22:18] Speaker 2: guys who basically came through simultaneously. We were educated, we
[22:21] Speaker 2: had the same football education. We came through and we
[22:24] Speaker 2: had an amazing coach. Then Malcolm really Englishman, and mal
[22:27] Speaker 2: was one of the greatest players English players of all time.
[22:30] Speaker 2: But he was a man without ego, right, So what
[22:34] Speaker 2: he did, what happened at the start of that ninety
[22:35] Speaker 2: seven preseason, he had to go home. I think it
[22:38] Speaker 2: was his mother who passed, so he went home. Now
[22:40] Speaker 2: he let him. He just left to us. He said,
[22:44] Speaker 2: you you bo like to know the system you need
[22:46] Speaker 2: to do. He said, you just coach yourselves. So we
[22:49] Speaker 2: coached ourselves and Malcolm come back for a week and
[22:50] Speaker 2: then his father. Something happened his dad, so his dad
[22:53] Speaker 2: went back again. At that same time, Peter Sharp, who
[22:55] Speaker 2: was our reserve grade coach, he got pached by Paramatta.
[22:58] Speaker 2: We had effectivety no coaches, but we coached ourselves. And
[23:02] Speaker 2: when Malcolm came back, you know what he said, He said,
[23:04] Speaker 2: so what he has been doing? And we said, oh,
[23:06] Speaker 2: we've gone ABC, we're playing this way. He said, sounds
[23:09] Speaker 2: great and we believed in it. It was out, you know,
[23:13] Speaker 2: like and like you were saying, there is so much
[23:16] Speaker 2: to be said about that.
[23:18] Speaker 1: Taking it back to your foot because your first experience
[23:21] Speaker 1: of the clubs with Brisbane Broncos, obviously Wayne Bennett was there,
[23:24] Speaker 1: your coach. There is that twenty fifteen when they won
[23:26] Speaker 1: the comp. Your first sort of.
[23:28] Speaker 3: I was under twenty. I think I was seventeen that
[23:31] Speaker 3: first year, and then the next year was after because after.
[23:35] Speaker 1: I hear stories of that Bronco that old sort of
[23:38] Speaker 1: that's sort of that's probably the last era of those
[23:40] Speaker 1: old Broncos players and young players coming in have always
[23:45] Speaker 1: sort of said, it's very much like welcome to first Goose,
[23:48] Speaker 1: like they're not very nice. Those old lads were like now,
[23:51] Speaker 1: very hard on the young players. Did you experience that.
[23:56] Speaker 3: I remember like rolling in that these are the guys
[23:59] Speaker 3: that like I looked to. I think Cos made his
[24:02] Speaker 3: debut when he was eighteen. I think it was like
[24:04] Speaker 3: three or four years old. But when I when I
[24:07] Speaker 3: rolled in, it was very much of that. But that
[24:10] Speaker 3: was so tight. It was the exact same review boys
[24:12] Speaker 3: that a lot of them went through under twenties together,
[24:15] Speaker 3: like Alex Glann, Josh McGuire, Andrew mccullogg, Dozer, all those
[24:19] Speaker 3: boys went through together. So that was so tight and
[24:21] Speaker 3: so being able to get in there, it's it can
[24:23] Speaker 3: be tricky. I remember we're doing wrestling in pre season,
[24:28] Speaker 3: and you know we're doing like the shark bait and
[24:31] Speaker 3: trying to fly into each other. Remember Josh McGuire was
[24:33] Speaker 3: in the middle and I was like eighteen years old
[24:38] Speaker 3: fly into him and I flew into him and at
[24:40] Speaker 3: one point I was like, I've got him here, like
[24:42] Speaker 3: I'm going to flip him. And then you know what
[24:44] Speaker 3: Moosei's like like back then, he.
[24:46] Speaker 1: Was quite aggressive.
[24:48] Speaker 3: Man, quite an aggressive man. He like picked me up
[24:51] Speaker 3: and then just like threw me into the mirror and
[24:53] Speaker 3: I thought I shattered my ankle. I got up and
[24:55] Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, you're sweet. I'm sweet. But
[24:57] Speaker 3: it was just such like a humbling exercise and there
[25:00] Speaker 3: were so many times I had a few I tore
[25:02] Speaker 3: my hamstring and then five times throughout the course of
[25:04] Speaker 3: like it was nineteen to twenty.
[25:06] Speaker 2: That could really set your confidence for a lot of people.
[25:09] Speaker 2: You go torn hamstring, people don't understand. In my opinion,
[25:14] Speaker 2: that's one of the worst injuries you can have as
[25:16] Speaker 2: an athlete. It really just drains your confidence.
[25:18] Speaker 3: It was one of those ones where you like, you
[25:19] Speaker 3: try and try and get back quickly. For Australian for
[25:22] Speaker 3: under twenty School under twenty is Australian team. But then
[25:25] Speaker 3: you tear it again and they're like, I'll try, and
[25:27] Speaker 3: sped out to the recovery and it was just a
[25:29] Speaker 3: roller coaster of like tearor I'll do the recovery a
[25:32] Speaker 3: little bit longer. I was trying everything, went to the AIS,
[25:35] Speaker 3: got the best hamstring specialists in Australia, trying to get
[25:37] Speaker 3: this run. I just couldn't get back. And I remember
[25:40] Speaker 3: on the fifth time I tore it was pre season,
[25:43] Speaker 3: and I remember it was so innocuous. It was just
[25:45] Speaker 3: a passing drill and I'm fell in the click walking
[25:49] Speaker 3: off and one of the boys like, mate, if you're
[25:51] Speaker 3: a horse, would fucking shoot yah? And I was like
[25:54] Speaker 3: trying to and it was like it was so hard
[25:59] Speaker 3: because all you want to do his play grade. Like
[26:01] Speaker 3: I signed that contract with Brons when I was seventeen,
[26:04] Speaker 3: so as soon as I signed it sort of have
[26:06] Speaker 3: this thing is like I want to be a first
[26:08] Speaker 3: grade up so badly, so I put all this pressure
[26:10] Speaker 3: on myself to try and play grade. Like I remember
[26:14] Speaker 3: Corey Parker, he had this thing he like I think,
[26:17] Speaker 3: made his debut when he was eighteen and bought his
[26:19] Speaker 3: first house when he was eighteen. So am I like
[26:21] Speaker 3: a young immature brain. I'm like, Okay, well, if I
[26:23] Speaker 3: can make my debut before I'm twenty and buy my
[26:26] Speaker 3: first house before I'm twenty, then like maybe I'll have
[26:29] Speaker 3: half the career that he had. Like that was the
[26:31] Speaker 3: way I was justifying it to myself. So I put
[26:33] Speaker 3: all this pressure to try and play grade, and I
[26:35] Speaker 3: was getting injured and couldn't play grade. And then you
[26:37] Speaker 3: look at the whole team in front of you and
[26:38] Speaker 3: you're like, it's probably going to be pretty hard to
[26:40] Speaker 3: do that. And the pressure of that as a young
[26:42] Speaker 3: kid is it's tricky. I see all the time.
[26:44] Speaker 1: Oh well we still Me and Jack are coaching like
[26:47] Speaker 1: the SG ball at Manly, and we see it even
[26:49] Speaker 1: like the amount of kids at that age, even before
[26:52] Speaker 1: getting into the NRL, Like and I take myself back
[26:54] Speaker 1: to that age. I remember what it was like like
[26:56] Speaker 1: being eighteen years of age. You're constantly just comparing yourself
[27:00] Speaker 1: as a junior to everyone, Like whether it be you,
[27:03] Speaker 1: don't you he makes a website and you don't, Oh, like,
[27:06] Speaker 1: you know, he's better than me. I'm not going to
[27:07] Speaker 1: make like that's the be all and end all. But
[27:09] Speaker 1: you don't realize like everyone's on there a different journal.
[27:12] Speaker 1: Fokes like Nico Hine is a great example, like doesn't
[27:15] Speaker 1: doesn't really make a first grade system, just goes and
[27:17] Speaker 1: toils away in reserve grade. It makes his debut at
[27:19] Speaker 1: like twenty three, twenty.
[27:21] Speaker 2: Four, like that drops.
[27:22] Speaker 1: Yeah, like the amount of time it's now like you
[27:25] Speaker 1: can really come out of no like a good player
[27:27] Speaker 1: can come out of nowhere, any system, any kind.
[27:29] Speaker 2: Well, that's like the Titans. The first thing myself and
[27:32] Speaker 2: tristed with the Titans. They said when we just sort
[27:35] Speaker 2: of signed up and did the ownership, they said, it's
[27:38] Speaker 2: junior junior player parent night. So we'll go and have
[27:41] Speaker 2: a look. By the way you went up there and say,
[27:42] Speaker 2: junior play a parent. So these cute little kids are
[27:45] Speaker 2: all fucking six foot five. Honestly, if me Andrew are
[27:49] Speaker 2: playing football now, they shoot us out of camp a
[27:51] Speaker 2: half time.
[27:52] Speaker 3: That's it.
[27:52] Speaker 4: But it's a very funny thing though, was like almost
[27:55] Speaker 4: like one of those things is not just the kids,
[27:57] Speaker 4: with the parents too. They need to like understand too
[27:59] Speaker 4: that the later takes them to actually get there, the
[28:01] Speaker 4: better the chance is.
[28:02] Speaker 1: To actually stay.
[28:03] Speaker 4: Like once your debut and if you're not up to
[28:07] Speaker 4: it and you're in and out for a number of years.
[28:09] Speaker 1: Like it's very hard to.
[28:11] Speaker 4: Try and become a concrete first grader, Like very hard,
[28:14] Speaker 4: day in, day out.
[28:15] Speaker 2: Very hard to improve. Like on the run that makes
[28:18] Speaker 2: sense once you're in there. But that night, like when
[28:21] Speaker 2: we went to that play a parent or not, I'm
[28:24] Speaker 2: sitting there almost getting peot. Still you're looking at these
[28:26] Speaker 2: kids because you see him or looking at each other, right,
[28:29] Speaker 2: and they're sitting there. They're all nervous and they're sweating,
[28:31] Speaker 2: and you can see him erown each other off. Fuck,
[28:33] Speaker 2: he looks good. I'm as good as him. All this
[28:36] Speaker 2: sort of stuff.
[28:36] Speaker 1: You know, you know what the worst thing is, Like
[28:38] Speaker 1: I was saying, this is someone the other day being
[28:40] Speaker 1: young play whether even like under twelves, under thirteens, and
[28:45] Speaker 1: how you build an opposition player up in your head,
[28:47] Speaker 1: Like I swear everyone's got an experience like this, whether
[28:50] Speaker 1: you're playing any sport, and it's like, oh, we're coming up.
[28:52] Speaker 1: We used to have a kid who played against called Zion,
[28:55] Speaker 1: Right dad, you remember it's talking about Zion under thirteenes Can.
[28:58] Speaker 2: I give you the first three bout Zion?
[28:59] Speaker 3: Right?
[29:00] Speaker 1: Me tell it? And then you go to jump in
[29:01] Speaker 1: and take me stories. You know, everyone talks tells about Zion,
[29:07] Speaker 1: and I will so Zion. He was from Queensland and
[29:10] Speaker 1: this was under twelves in like the local northern beaches,
[29:13] Speaker 1: a grade thing. And they go everyone to be looking
[29:16] Speaker 1: through the registrations. Has Zion signed up for the comp yet?
[29:18] Speaker 1: And then it would come in Zion and he's like,
[29:21] Speaker 1: everyone goes, oh, apparently this year he's put on twenty
[29:23] Speaker 1: more kilos. He's one hundred and ten kilos and he
[29:25] Speaker 1: runs one hundred meters in eleven seconds. Remember how like
[29:28] Speaker 1: who gets those stats at a thirteen year old that
[29:31] Speaker 1: he can run?
[29:32] Speaker 2: Even gaming already that game when you played Zion the
[29:36] Speaker 2: first time, all the boys, all they're talking about was Zion, Zion, Zion.
[29:40] Speaker 2: And I did the thing. I said, listen, boys, listen,
[29:42] Speaker 2: look at the end of the day, he will be
[29:44] Speaker 2: the ore the heart of day fall. And like everyone
[29:46] Speaker 2: builds his thing up about these big kids, I'm telling you,
[29:48] Speaker 2: when they get the end of the day, you know
[29:50] Speaker 2: he won't. It's all built. It's all myth, you know. Anyway,
[29:53] Speaker 2: So well, these two people walk in right and sure
[29:57] Speaker 2: enough I'm looking at Zion and mate is like I said,
[30:01] Speaker 2: he's a big kid. But I said, look, there iss
[30:03] Speaker 2: not that big. They went, it's the person next to him.
[30:07] Speaker 2: I said, oh, it was his dad.
[30:11] Speaker 3: He was a.
[30:14] Speaker 2: I had to go to the opposition coach at halftime
[30:16] Speaker 2: and said, he brother, just you the favor. Let him
[30:19] Speaker 2: play a few minutes and take him off, mate, like
[30:22] Speaker 2: he was just charging through and you mate, someone's going
[30:24] Speaker 2: to get hurt. And it's not Zion.
[30:27] Speaker 1: The boys were doing that. You know that that, I'll that,
[30:29] Speaker 1: I'll do your check. When someone's running at you, you run,
[30:32] Speaker 1: you let him go through, run alongside him and then
[30:34] Speaker 1: try to get him from behind him where.
[30:36] Speaker 3: To go like that called the bus Shiloh big. Everyone
[30:39] Speaker 3: called him the bus because everyone would jump on him
[30:41] Speaker 3: and we were like underrated. He was the biggest kid ever.
[30:43] Speaker 2: I remember we're talking before we had Brad thorn On
[30:46] Speaker 2: earlier in the year. Anyway, Thorny like, mate, you can't
[30:49] Speaker 2: give me Laso and all those blokes all the time,
[30:51] Speaker 2: you know. And but before I Thorny Thorny, when he'd
[30:55] Speaker 2: run out on your inside shoulder. He was just all
[30:58] Speaker 2: hips and norbos and knees. I remember playing them one
[31:01] Speaker 2: night and it was sort of getting on back end
[31:03] Speaker 2: of the year, you sort of feel a little bit tired.
[31:05] Speaker 2: And what I remember running tackling, and honestly, it was
[31:09] Speaker 2: like there was an explosion went off in my body.
[31:11] Speaker 2: And I'm not proud to say it that by by
[31:13] Speaker 2: halfway through the second half, I was dead set just
[31:16] Speaker 2: putting the arm out. I wasn't putting my body in front.
[31:18] Speaker 2: And I was shamed to say it, but it's just
[31:21] Speaker 2: fucking mate. It was like Chinese water toy.
[31:23] Speaker 3: It's giving, it's giving, like Nelson vibes as well. I
[31:26] Speaker 3: remember there was a trial game in Sonny Cave you're playing.
[31:28] Speaker 3: It might have been a bit earlier. Nelson was coming
[31:30] Speaker 3: off the back fans and I was like, in my way, okay,
[31:33] Speaker 3: I'm going to try and jam here, maybe get under
[31:35] Speaker 3: his ribs. He puts his elbow out, clicked me in
[31:37] Speaker 3: the throat and this is off a forty meter run up,
[31:40] Speaker 3: and so I couldn't breathe for field like two three sads,
[31:43] Speaker 3: and I thought I was going to be like Keavy
[31:45] Speaker 3: Proctor or Darren lockyow with my with my throat. It
[31:47] Speaker 3: was one of the most gnaliest tried tacklesaved.
[31:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking before about training hard, like you know,
[31:53] Speaker 2: Thorny told an amazing story here because he was talking about,
[31:57] Speaker 2: you know, with Madge and the spear buckets. And Thorny went,
[32:00] Speaker 2: he said, when I read all the stuff about the
[32:02] Speaker 2: spear buckets, he said, I just went, mate, the kidd
[32:04] Speaker 2: you know you said us broncos when we won competitions,
[32:07] Speaker 2: we trained hard. That'll bloke called Kelvin Giles mate. And
[32:10] Speaker 2: they used to say. Laurie Dailey when he was at
[32:11] Speaker 2: camera said mate, he's only to make me spew in
[32:14] Speaker 2: the gym. He said it was full on. But Thorny
[32:16] Speaker 2: told the story, he said, and sparkd my memory. He
[32:18] Speaker 2: said about doing ten k runs. He said when he
[32:21] Speaker 2: went there in ninety four. He said, he went in
[32:23] Speaker 2: the first grade squad and he said one of the
[32:25] Speaker 2: first training sessions, he looks like an alf and Kevy
[32:27] Speaker 2: and that they're they're they're vomiting right, and it's before training.
[32:32] Speaker 2: And he said to one of the blokes, oh, they're vomiting,
[32:34] Speaker 2: you know, like have they trained already? He goes, no, no, no,
[32:37] Speaker 2: they know what's coming.
[32:39] Speaker 3: Yeah.
[32:41] Speaker 1: Yeah, did you how was your interaction with Wayne Bennett
[32:43] Speaker 1: at Bronx.
[32:44] Speaker 3: Yeah, Wayne's really funny. It's a different tart, like I
[32:50] Speaker 3: looked up to it, Like I really liked Wayne when
[32:52] Speaker 3: I was there. There's so many funny, like little stories
[32:57] Speaker 3: that he does that and that sure in there you
[32:59] Speaker 3: just didn't know, Like just walks around nude all the time.
[33:03] Speaker 2: Like as a young yeah you know, no comment.
[33:07] Speaker 3: And I open he does it on purpose, especially to
[33:09] Speaker 3: the young kids. When you're like just to be sitting
[33:11] Speaker 3: there and he puts his leg up, you just don't
[33:15] Speaker 3: know what's coming. Jack, did you back that up?
[33:17] Speaker 2: Was he nude?
[33:19] Speaker 4: Not nude? But I do like the basic instinct reference.
[33:23] Speaker 3: First thing that comes to mind. But Wayne was so
[33:24] Speaker 3: good at bringing crew together, like I did a we
[33:27] Speaker 3: did a podcast with Joy Arrow last week and Joy's
[33:30] Speaker 3: been around Wayne like ages at Bronx and then at
[33:32] Speaker 3: South as well, and he's just like, man, he's just
[33:35] Speaker 3: so good at just bringing people together, like outside of
[33:37] Speaker 3: the footy, he's just so good at that. But when
[33:40] Speaker 3: I was with Wayne, I was I was like seventeen, eighteen,
[33:44] Speaker 3: nineteen years old, so I was like the young kids
[33:47] Speaker 3: your way, I may I reckon, first year in being
[33:50] Speaker 3: in the system, reckon. I didn't say a word I
[33:52] Speaker 3: was so nervous, Like I think he called me Kieran
[33:55] Speaker 3: for the first year.
[33:56] Speaker 2: It's got to be a tactic.
[34:00] Speaker 1: Did you do it a lot? Has he done that before?
[34:02] Speaker 1: I guess his names.
[34:02] Speaker 2: Roll he went up to when Lewis Dodd when he
[34:05] Speaker 2: first got out, he went out to Lewis Dodd and said,
[34:07] Speaker 2: who the hell are you.
[34:09] Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like that when you first get into a
[34:12] Speaker 1: thing and there's a there's a coach who's got like
[34:14] Speaker 1: a significant aura, Like I used to try to stay
[34:16] Speaker 1: out of belly K's way, like the first sort of
[34:19] Speaker 1: year I reckon, but I sort of knew him beforehand
[34:22] Speaker 1: because you'd done some coaching down the dad. So but
[34:24] Speaker 1: I was still like equally as nervous, like even when
[34:27] Speaker 1: I was having a meeting to sign down there and
[34:30] Speaker 1: Christian Welch like got me with a beauty one day.
[34:32] Speaker 1: He was like, oh, belly got some clips for you
[34:35] Speaker 1: in his office. He wants to go and see you.
[34:36] Speaker 1: And I've just cold call walked into belly K's office, like, Bell,
[34:40] Speaker 1: you got some clips for me. Bell's just like no,
[34:43] Speaker 1: I don't, And I'm just sitting there like awkwardly, like
[34:46] Speaker 1: I didn't know how to eat it up and I
[34:48] Speaker 1: was like, oh, sorry, welch. He told me that you
[34:51] Speaker 1: had some, and then he just cut me off and goes,
[34:52] Speaker 1: can you get out? Look I'm doing.
[34:55] Speaker 3: Was very humbling.
[34:57] Speaker 2: My first training session at the Knights, the first grade.
[35:00] Speaker 2: We went to the pub afterwards. That's what used to happen.
[35:02] Speaker 2: You train three days a week together. Part after this
[35:04] Speaker 2: is nine and eighty nine. Anyway, that's right, Jurassic Park,
[35:09] Speaker 2: not long Man's Well, I know that anyway. So I've mate,
[35:14] Speaker 2: I've got the end. I've gone, oh, I'm going to
[35:17] Speaker 2: go now and I've gone out. I've gone fun Where
[35:20] Speaker 2: are my keys? Where are my keys? I've locked the
[35:21] Speaker 2: keys in the car. So I've gone. I had to
[35:24] Speaker 2: go back in and say to the first go coach, Hey,
[35:27] Speaker 2: David Waite, Hey, here you going a lot? I've locked
[35:31] Speaker 2: the keys in the car. He goes, what the fuck
[35:33] Speaker 2: am I going to do about? I said, oh, do
[35:36] Speaker 2: you know anyone that can help me? As fucking help?
[35:38] Speaker 2: What type of car is it? And I panicked and
[35:40] Speaker 2: I went, oh, oh, oh a sedan? Anyway? Can we
[35:45] Speaker 2: go out? I? Yes? The team manager goes out, goes
[35:48] Speaker 2: out in the car, which one is it someone there
[35:51] Speaker 2: in a silver Kmia and he comes out agether right,
[35:54] Speaker 2: I just oh, he gues, mate's got one of those
[35:57] Speaker 2: fucking they're hard to get mate, until we're going to
[35:59] Speaker 2: have to do gets going to take the door off. Anyway,
[36:02] Speaker 2: he's halfway through taking the door off, and I've looked
[36:05] Speaker 2: and there's a car looking in this this car identical
[36:07] Speaker 2: to mine next to your I went, oh, fuck, that
[36:09] Speaker 2: is mine. It's the wrong car. Sorry, mate, My whole
[36:16] Speaker 2: for the whole tenure that he was, he just every
[36:18] Speaker 2: time he every day he would come up and gain
[36:21] Speaker 2: what type of car is.
[36:25] Speaker 3: This loser coming through?
[36:28] Speaker 1: That's that's nearly enough to get caught, like that is
[36:30] Speaker 1: nearly enough to get completely cut. Army camp. Did you
[36:34] Speaker 1: want a Bronx?
[36:35] Speaker 2: Uh?
[36:35] Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah I did want a Bronx, only got one
[36:37] Speaker 3: in when I was there. But good times brood.
[36:41] Speaker 1: Yeah you don't, I swear you never. Like there's always
[36:43] Speaker 1: so many funny stories that come out of an Army camp.
[36:46] Speaker 1: Did you guys have a winner of that one?
[36:47] Speaker 3: Like?
[36:47] Speaker 1: Did you guys?
[36:48] Speaker 3: No? No, I know what you mean. No, I don't
[36:50] Speaker 3: think as was just an overnight we were just like
[36:53] Speaker 3: adding that barracks in Brisbane. I remember there was only
[36:55] Speaker 3: one time. There was one time we were like, I
[36:58] Speaker 3: think we're sorting rice or the white rice between the
[37:01] Speaker 3: brown rice. Did you ever do that? Yeah? And then
[37:04] Speaker 3: you might do it for hours and then they'll come
[37:06] Speaker 3: through and they'll just like mush it all together pretty much.
[37:10] Speaker 3: But there was one time where I think we had
[37:12] Speaker 3: this guy forgot his name, who's this big, like really
[37:16] Speaker 3: intimidating guy and he used to always scare scare the
[37:19] Speaker 3: shit out of me. And I think it was like
[37:21] Speaker 3: him James Roberts, and then like Gy Arrow. And then
[37:24] Speaker 3: I think James and one of the boys were just
[37:27] Speaker 3: like bickering, and I think like maybe snapped at one
[37:30] Speaker 3: of the Army camp guys and the guy's like, Okay,
[37:32] Speaker 3: that's it. We're not doing anymore. No one's getting fired,
[37:34] Speaker 3: no one's getting anything. It was this big, big ordeal
[37:37] Speaker 3: and then they said, look, if you go and like
[37:41] Speaker 3: apologized to the Army camp guy, then we'll give you
[37:44] Speaker 3: all a kick cat. It was like some some sort
[37:45] Speaker 3: of mind. But remember I think it was Jimmy the
[37:48] Speaker 3: j and the Arrow was sitting there like crying. It's like, Shimmy,
[37:51] Speaker 3: please just go get the quick caut. I was like,
[37:55] Speaker 3: I remember, like that was the one thing that stood
[37:56] Speaker 3: out to me so much. I was just like, oh yeah,
[37:58] Speaker 3: I'll never forget that. But it's just like so fun
[38:00] Speaker 3: Like it's so hard when you're in it, but then
[38:03] Speaker 3: when as soon as you get back and you just
[38:05] Speaker 3: start laughing. Like remember when I was crying, it was
[38:07] Speaker 3: just good. It's good.
[38:08] Speaker 1: It's so funny. How like something in the moment is
[38:11] Speaker 1: not funny at all, Like no one would have been
[38:13] Speaker 1: laughing during that moment, but then as soon as you
[38:15] Speaker 1: get out of it, it's so funny.
[38:17] Speaker 3: But we did a fifty k hike when I was
[38:19] Speaker 3: at the Titans when Garth Brendan was there and we
[38:21] Speaker 3: had like the coaching staff and then we had the
[38:23] Speaker 3: whole team. It was like five pm night.
[38:24] Speaker 1: I remember that when you said that. Remember the video
[38:26] Speaker 1: they made a video from it?
[38:28] Speaker 3: Yeah? Maybe I don't know. Actually maybe it was a
[38:29] Speaker 3: different one. Anyway, we was a fifty k hike overnight,
[38:32] Speaker 3: and it was supposed to be one of those things
[38:33] Speaker 3: where it brings like the coaching staff and the players
[38:36] Speaker 3: together and yeah, so we're all going through it and
[38:40] Speaker 3: then by I think like Klumra to thirty. All the
[38:43] Speaker 3: coaching staff had tapped out, and there was probably like
[38:46] Speaker 3: and it was just and it was just like the
[38:47] Speaker 3: staff left and I remember, like I remember Brenda was
[38:51] Speaker 3: just like in the in the back of the van
[38:54] Speaker 3: and like one of the boys started going no, no, no, no,
[38:58] Speaker 3: like the time. Yeah, And it was just one of
[39:02] Speaker 3: those things thinking like one of this is one of
[39:04] Speaker 3: the things that like kind of lose the team a
[39:06] Speaker 3: little bit. And like, with all due respect, like we
[39:08] Speaker 3: lost right at the end of the day. Yea, with
[39:10] Speaker 3: all due respect.
[39:12] Speaker 2: We had Jesse Williams on you know called Jesse who
[39:15] Speaker 2: played Seattle Seahawks and whatnot. He was saying, going to
[39:17] Speaker 2: the university down Alabama into Settle had to do the
[39:21] Speaker 2: combine and you went in the combine. We see it
[39:23] Speaker 2: from here when they go there for the draft. We're
[39:25] Speaker 2: all the scouts watching that forty minutes sprint, bench press,
[39:28] Speaker 2: all those things. One thing we I didn't realize about
[39:31] Speaker 2: it or it's not publicized. He said, through it you sloop
[39:35] Speaker 2: your deprivation, and they under foger like you said, literally
[39:39] Speaker 2: you're starving, hungry and you've had no sloop and it's
[39:42] Speaker 2: just a rudder see how you operate under pressure. Yeah,
[39:45] Speaker 2: it is.
[39:46] Speaker 1: Why did you bring that up?
[39:48] Speaker 2: Because talking about.
[39:49] Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, but even like sleeping, like I'm very well
[39:55] Speaker 3: to be honest, Like now we're doing like the marathons
[39:58] Speaker 3: for this year, but that ultra Ultra endurance races, Ultra marathon,
[40:03] Speaker 3: multi day races. Those are the things that are really
[40:05] Speaker 3: interesting me at the minute. Like I think after this
[40:08] Speaker 3: year of doing the seven marathons, i think I'll probably
[40:10] Speaker 3: end up trying my hand at like an ultra.
[40:12] Speaker 1: So is the ultra. It's like you have to do
[40:14] Speaker 1: a certain amount each day.
[40:15] Speaker 3: So an ultra is a like like standard. The standard
[40:20] Speaker 3: is like it's anything longer than a marathon. But then
[40:22] Speaker 3: you can do like multi day ultras, which is like
[40:24] Speaker 3: might be like a two hundred and fifty kilometer race,
[40:26] Speaker 3: three hundred kilometer race like two three days, depend depends
[40:29] Speaker 3: how long you want to do it. There was I've
[40:31] Speaker 3: read a few friends on the podcast, like Montana Farra, Seaton,
[40:34] Speaker 3: Bennie Seymour, this a girl called Jackie Bell. They do
[40:38] Speaker 3: like these really incredible races and they do it like
[40:41] Speaker 3: on pretty much no sleep. Have you heard the mo
[40:44] Speaker 3: app to fifty It's like a race over in the States.
[40:47] Speaker 3: I think it's maybe Utah, Arizona, beautiful like beautiful landscape,
[40:50] Speaker 3: but two hundred and fifty miles, so like five five
[40:54] Speaker 3: hundred kilometers and essentially they're just running. This called Courtney
[40:57] Speaker 3: Joe Alta, who woned a couple of years go by
[41:00] Speaker 3: ten hours, and so she was on Joe Rogan's podcast
[41:03] Speaker 3: talking about it, like how did you win? What'd you do?
[41:06] Speaker 3: And she said she was running through it. I think
[41:07] Speaker 3: she went through the first like twenty four hours of
[41:09] Speaker 3: just like running, and then she was running all over
[41:12] Speaker 3: the shop and then her pacer said you needed to
[41:14] Speaker 3: go and have a rest. Anyway, she tried to lay down,
[41:17] Speaker 3: she couldn't fall asleep just because she was so pumped
[41:19] Speaker 3: on adrenaline and whatnot. So she got up. She thinks
[41:22] Speaker 3: she ran for another couple of hours, same thing, like hallucinating,
[41:26] Speaker 3: was seeing like saxophones in the trees and all these
[41:28] Speaker 3: really wild things. And then her pacer said you need
[41:31] Speaker 3: to sleep, and she said, okay, but only let me
[41:34] Speaker 3: sleep for one minute. And he's like, what you sure.
[41:36] Speaker 3: It's like I don't want to lose the pace, Like
[41:38] Speaker 3: just let me sleep for one minute. So she closed
[41:40] Speaker 3: her eyes and she reckoned. She had the best sleep
[41:42] Speaker 3: of her life, and the you know, the pacer woke
[41:44] Speaker 3: her up and she's like, what.
[41:45] Speaker 1: Are you doing?
[41:46] Speaker 3: Like it felt like at a ten hour sleep, like
[41:48] Speaker 3: I just had this shoe sleep and he's like, it's
[41:50] Speaker 3: been one minute, no way, yeah, nally so. And then
[41:53] Speaker 3: so she got up. She felt so refreshed after that minute,
[41:56] Speaker 3: and she just boosted it and there she won the
[41:58] Speaker 3: mar of two fifty five hundred race by like ten hours.
[42:02] Speaker 1: It's funny you say, like the minute. I remember even
[42:05] Speaker 1: when we did our army camp was over three days
[42:07] Speaker 1: and that was no sleep, but we could get like
[42:09] Speaker 1: you could get little micro sleeps like five ten minutes
[42:12] Speaker 1: when they'd take you from one location to the next place.
[42:15] Speaker 1: And same thing, like I remember I had a ten
[42:18] Speaker 1: minute sleep once. Ye they made you write an essay
[42:20] Speaker 1: on the bus trying to keep you awake, and I
[42:22] Speaker 1: finished it really quick and then tried to get to sleep,
[42:24] Speaker 1: got like ten minutes and same thing. It was like, oh,
[42:28] Speaker 1: that was like the most refreshing sleep because they say
[42:31] Speaker 1: like fifteen minutes or twenty minutes if you have an
[42:33] Speaker 1: AVO nap, they reckon that's like the best thing for you.
[42:36] Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of those guys in those like multi
[42:38] Speaker 3: day events, they they'll only do a ten minute nap. Yeah,
[42:41] Speaker 3: fifteen minutes.
[42:42] Speaker 1: Well they say, you do.
[42:43] Speaker 4: Like they were now making you write the essays to
[42:46] Speaker 4: everyone had lines through there because.
[42:48] Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, while people would they'd write an essay like
[42:51] Speaker 1: you know, what's the you know, who's your hero, it's
[42:53] Speaker 1: got to be a exactly three hundred and fifty word
[42:56] Speaker 1: essay anymore any less, Like everyone's going penalties, so people
[42:59] Speaker 1: are like trying to account their numbers, trying to count
[43:01] Speaker 1: their letters on there. But then like so afterwards, look,
[43:05] Speaker 1: they didn't even read it, Like they didn't even read
[43:07] Speaker 1: the essays because they're poorly written, like they're in a
[43:08] Speaker 1: real players right and.
[43:10] Speaker 2: Knows my story anyway?
[43:11] Speaker 5: Yeah, and not then and then so where all so
[43:16] Speaker 5: they gave you papers back at the end and you're
[43:18] Speaker 5: going through and because everyone's like as they're writing it,
[43:21] Speaker 5: they're falling asleep.
[43:22] Speaker 1: So there was just not even the boys care read
[43:25] Speaker 1: their own head writing. So it'd be like, you know,
[43:27] Speaker 1: on today, I woke up and then it'd just be
[43:29] Speaker 1: like they'd fall asleep and you'd see that the pennink
[43:31] Speaker 1: would just go running. There'd just be like thirty streaks
[43:34] Speaker 1: running down the page as the boys would be falling
[43:35] Speaker 1: asleep for like a second and then wake themselves back
[43:38] Speaker 1: up and keep writing.
[43:39] Speaker 2: In the best place you've ever been could traveling?
[43:42] Speaker 3: Yep, Mate. When I finished up, I did a walk
[43:45] Speaker 3: through Portugal and Spain. It's called the Camino, said the boys.
[43:50] Speaker 2: I'd love to do it with it.
[43:51] Speaker 3: You should, it's so cool. There's different routes. I think
[43:54] Speaker 3: that was like three hundred and thirty ks through Portugal
[43:56] Speaker 3: in Spain, and there was this one little place at
[43:58] Speaker 3: the top of Span called San Sebastian, San Sabashian to
[44:01] Speaker 3: compose you've been sick, little surfing town. We stayed in
[44:04] Speaker 3: the surfing hostel. It was like one of those places
[44:07] Speaker 3: where we've got like awesome waves. They have this old
[44:09] Speaker 3: they think called old town where it's like all the
[44:11] Speaker 3: pinchos or the food or the drinks. And Mate just
[44:14] Speaker 3: settled in there and one of the best places that.
[44:16] Speaker 2: Portugal enjoy Portugal.
[44:18] Speaker 3: Portugal was cool. Portugal was really cool. I think we
[44:21] Speaker 3: ended up surfing a place called Mick Mick something just
[44:24] Speaker 3: outside of Porto. I would have loved to check out
[44:27] Speaker 3: like Nazare, not to surf it, but like just be
[44:30] Speaker 3: there and see.
[44:31] Speaker 2: I think that would have been It's really interesting, you're
[44:33] Speaker 2: when you look and like I look at Spain and
[44:36] Speaker 2: it gives you an idea of tribes of the world
[44:38] Speaker 2: because you go from France. From France and everything you
[44:42] Speaker 2: know is fairly lash and green, and literally as you
[44:44] Speaker 2: cross the Spanish border, everything changes. You go from people
[44:47] Speaker 2: who are socially socialists into a county. I find the
[44:50] Speaker 2: Spanish and I mean they've had a blood in history
[44:53] Speaker 2: quite harsh and and the other thing about Spain is
[44:56] Speaker 2: you've got the bus You've got the castiles, you've got Tolonians,
[45:01] Speaker 2: and so you know there's always that, you know, that
[45:03] Speaker 2: friction in the bars for a lot, and then separatists
[45:06] Speaker 2: and things like that is something for you. There's only
[45:08] Speaker 2: two countries in the world that don't have the woods
[45:10] Speaker 2: dull national youth, and one is Cossava and the other
[45:12] Speaker 2: one Spain, because they can't decide on the woods.
[45:15] Speaker 3: Really, yes, it is what are they humming?
[45:18] Speaker 2: Spain is a country only.
[45:22] Speaker 1: That's the thing I'm looking at. I've just had to
[45:24] Speaker 1: look down at the Rundown. I went when did when
[45:25] Speaker 1: did it ever? Had Spain facts and asking him where
[45:28] Speaker 1: Really it just goes so Rode like this.
[45:32] Speaker 3: I like it.
[45:33] Speaker 1: Hey, he's a wild card.
[45:36] Speaker 3: Yeah. There was also a really good spot Western Australia. Yeah,
[45:39] Speaker 3: if you can get over to, like Margaret River or
[45:41] Speaker 3: like esperands Man. We just got back from there at
[45:43] Speaker 3: the end of the last year. We did like I
[45:45] Speaker 3: did a half iron Man there at the end of
[45:46] Speaker 3: last year and then we went Trouble with Margaret River afterwards.
[45:49] Speaker 3: It was beautiful.
[45:50] Speaker 2: What's the culture of Western Australia there? But like I mean, effectively,
[45:55] Speaker 2: you know, like if if if we're if the Australian continents,
[45:59] Speaker 2: you we're basically going from eastern Europe right over to
[46:03] Speaker 2: far western Europe, you know what I mean?
[46:04] Speaker 1: Like that that distance.
[46:05] Speaker 2: Do you find the culture of Western Australia different to
[46:08] Speaker 2: the East.
[46:09] Speaker 3: It's very relaxed, Yeah, very relaxed. I imagine it's probably
[46:12] Speaker 3: what Newcastle and Gold Coast would have been like twenty
[46:15] Speaker 3: years ago.
[46:15] Speaker 6: Imagine how do you think they'll handle having a rugby
[46:17] Speaker 6: league sight there? Yeah, it's very all dominated. Everyone loves
[46:22] Speaker 6: afl over there, so I don't know, but beautiful Beach
[46:25] Speaker 6: is great ones.
[46:26] Speaker 1: I think they should have been the Quakers, that's what
[46:30] Speaker 1: you know, those Quakers the animals over in wa.
[46:32] Speaker 2: That's probably the most ridiculous thing ever.
[46:34] Speaker 3: So left field, you're just like your.
[46:36] Speaker 2: Old Yeah, it must be contagious, your.
[46:41] Speaker 1: Like can you were you at the Gold Coast Titans
[46:44] Speaker 1: when Jared Hayne came back from the NFL, or when
[46:46] Speaker 1: he was already.
[46:47] Speaker 3: There he yeah, he was there. He was there in
[46:49] Speaker 3: my debut game.
[46:50] Speaker 1: Yeah, no way, Yeah, how was that was that whole
[46:52] Speaker 1: experiencing come back from there? Because I still remember I
[46:55] Speaker 1: was at school when he came back from the forty
[46:58] Speaker 1: nine ers to the Titans. And but even when he
[47:00] Speaker 1: was at the forty nine's, we would be in science
[47:02] Speaker 1: class and we'd be watching, like as soon as somebody
[47:06] Speaker 1: had the highlights of his preseason game would come out,
[47:08] Speaker 1: we'd all be sitting there watching his punk returns like
[47:10] Speaker 1: in school. Must have been some star on the Gold
[47:12] Speaker 1: Coast then.
[47:13] Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I think like the aura about him
[47:15] Speaker 3: when at that time was pretty pretty big. I didn't
[47:18] Speaker 3: have a lot to do with him because I did
[47:19] Speaker 3: a mid season transfer from Brisbane to Goldie. So by
[47:22] Speaker 3: the time I got in there, he was like, I
[47:24] Speaker 3: think it was his last year at I think he
[47:26] Speaker 3: was shitty checked out. But I remember when I made
[47:29] Speaker 3: my debut, he was just I think he said like
[47:31] Speaker 3: I think he put me aside, and it was just like, dude,
[47:32] Speaker 3: I really like, really enjoy this moment. And I think
[47:35] Speaker 3: that was the only thing that really stuck in there.
[47:37] Speaker 3: But all the police would just say how terribly he was.
[47:39] Speaker 3: It like preseason.
[47:44] Speaker 2: Ridiculously just stroll around you watching highlights of his pre eddies.
[47:49] Speaker 3: Yeah, it was crazy.
[47:53] Speaker 1: I don't like just so many people are like, oh,
[47:56] Speaker 1: you know, he was a big deal over in America,
[47:57] Speaker 1: and then you chat to Americans and they go, who's
[48:00] Speaker 1: Sharon Han? Like, it wasn't as big a deal as
[48:02] Speaker 1: I think Australians make it out to be. Like some
[48:04] Speaker 1: parts know, but it wasn't as big I'm pretty sure
[48:07] Speaker 1: because so many people.
[48:08] Speaker 2: Well, Coop, I'll stop you there. I was in San
[48:10] Speaker 2: Francisco not long after he started playing, and there were
[48:13] Speaker 2: hayin It was preseason and there were Haynes thirty eight
[48:16] Speaker 2: jerseys in shops there. He did have an impact because
[48:20] Speaker 2: I was coming off a couple of really difficult seasons,
[48:22] Speaker 2: and when he went there, they were like genuinely genuinely
[48:25] Speaker 2: excited because he was, like it was just an amazing story.
[48:28] Speaker 2: Here's this guy coming out like from Australia in a
[48:31] Speaker 2: code that really never heard of and just lit it up.
[48:34] Speaker 1: But it was big here, Like it was so huge
[48:36] Speaker 1: because there was people like I didn't even watch the
[48:38] Speaker 1: NFL back then in school, but everyone in my school
[48:40] Speaker 1: was watching the preseason game just to see Jared Haynes.
[48:43] Speaker 3: Who do you reckon? Would crush over in the NFL?
[48:45] Speaker 2: From the NFL now, I don't know at the moment.
[48:48] Speaker 2: I said to Jack the other day we were watching
[48:51] Speaker 2: the Super Bowl, and it occasionally gives you an end
[48:54] Speaker 2: on shot. It gives you an idea how the spacings work.
[48:56] Speaker 2: I said, Slater could have I reckoned Slater would have
[48:58] Speaker 2: been a freakish running back because number one, like his
[49:02] Speaker 2: spoedon and agility. He's full like just the way he
[49:04] Speaker 2: moved in space, but sickly he's intelligence like he would
[49:08] Speaker 2: I have got no doubt he would have made it.
[49:10] Speaker 1: You know, he would have been a great like tight
[49:11] Speaker 1: end Greg English, just that so powerful, you know, I
[49:15] Speaker 1: like you look like Gronken Kelsey like somebody who's like
[49:17] Speaker 1: and he's I would say he was even as a runner.
[49:20] Speaker 1: He's more athletic than those guys too.
[49:21] Speaker 2: Well let's see example there when Haynes was there the
[49:25] Speaker 2: San Francisco San Francisco Chronicle, a bloke through the thing
[49:28] Speaker 2: reached out Fox Sports from this bloke wants to speak
[49:31] Speaker 2: some We're going to throw them your way, talk about
[49:33] Speaker 2: you know, rugby league. You wanted to know about the game,
[49:35] Speaker 2: and he said, he said, Jared would clearly be the
[49:38] Speaker 2: best player in rugby league. And I know he's an
[49:42] Speaker 2: elite player, but he got all these blokes probably be
[49:45] Speaker 2: ahead of him. And he goes really and I said yeah,
[49:47] Speaker 2: I said, look typing Greg Engless and I watched you
[49:50] Speaker 2: go and have with his highlights and test me back
[49:52] Speaker 2: and went, holy fuck.
[49:56] Speaker 3: Bulldogs post the other day of Maddy Burton kicking those
[50:00] Speaker 3: crazy the meter goal like man crazy.
[50:02] Speaker 2: What about my Cardige doesn't get some purchase.
[50:05] Speaker 3: On Yeah, he must have big foot, he must have
[50:08] Speaker 3: they reckon.
[50:08] Speaker 1: His feet are like huge, but they reckon they're really flat.
[50:12] Speaker 1: Sure you know what I mean? Like those you know,
[50:14] Speaker 1: look at my they got the dogs out now see
[50:16] Speaker 1: how they're curled. I got curl toes, I reckon his
[50:19] Speaker 1: there is just like flat, just like the earth, and
[50:23] Speaker 1: they're just completely flat to the ground.
[50:24] Speaker 3: They're really dissecting this.
[50:27] Speaker 2: When he does a torpie, those torpie bombs, it's like
[50:30] Speaker 2: I watch and it's almost like you look and it's
[50:34] Speaker 2: just got more purchase on the ball. The ball almost
[50:37] Speaker 2: stays on his foot longer and then it just rips off.
[50:40] Speaker 1: Bends around his foot.
[50:41] Speaker 2: It does. That's exactly what I was looking from.
[50:43] Speaker 1: You know, those flat feet two moments from ale to
[50:47] Speaker 1: go in the army. Now, certainly, no, it wouldn't be
[50:50] Speaker 1: able to you can't. They don't take people with flat feet.
[50:52] Speaker 1: I remember you've told that fact before. You told me obviously,
[50:57] Speaker 1: look a video that always circulates around and of you, Kegan.
[51:01] Speaker 1: There's two pretty special moments, the two moments you probably
[51:04] Speaker 1: wouldn't want to be remembered for. But and I know
[51:08] Speaker 1: you're going to explain this out to Dad who probably
[51:10] Speaker 1: hasn't seen it, but you are dry humping pain half
[51:14] Speaker 1: from behind in an NRL game. Does this come up much?
[51:18] Speaker 3: It comes up every time we do a podcast. Really,
[51:20] Speaker 3: it comes up every any type of sporting podcast, it
[51:22] Speaker 3: always comes up.
[51:23] Speaker 1: That's my favorite because it always circulates on social media.
[51:26] Speaker 1: And I know because Jimmy Dimmick was or wrestle coach
[51:29] Speaker 1: up there at the time.
[51:30] Speaker 3: I would love to flesh this out with you.
[51:31] Speaker 1: Okay, so no, because he so basically what happens is
[51:36] Speaker 1: and he taught us the same move. So if someone backs,
[51:40] Speaker 1: if a wing or a big body backs into the
[51:42] Speaker 1: line and you're a sort of holding them from behind,
[51:44] Speaker 1: you're supposed to like bang your hips in like you're
[51:47] Speaker 1: humping them, bang your hips in like you're humping them.
[51:49] Speaker 1: And then as like you pushing their hips forward, brings
[51:53] Speaker 1: their sort of head back and then you Jack, I'm
[51:56] Speaker 1: just talking to leave it down. It sort of puts
[51:59] Speaker 1: your head out and then you can take him to
[52:01] Speaker 1: the ground. But Keegan, you did it on pain Hash
[52:04] Speaker 1: quite a large body, and it looked like and when
[52:07] Speaker 1: you see the video, Jack's got it ready to go.
[52:09] Speaker 1: When you see the video, it looks like he's trying
[52:11] Speaker 1: to give him a prostat exam like it's quite horrific.
[52:13] Speaker 2: When he does.
[52:14] Speaker 3: It, he's the wind up. Really, anyone, the slow mo
[52:28] Speaker 3: doesn't help me at all, does it? It's so aggressive
[52:31] Speaker 3: so well, but it's so funny that you've been in
[52:34] Speaker 3: the same environment as Jimmy Dimmy know, because I'm glad
[52:38] Speaker 3: you said, because people would look at that. Dude. I
[52:39] Speaker 3: came home to my partner at that time and she
[52:42] Speaker 3: was just like, what are you doing? Like, She's like,
[52:45] Speaker 3: what are you doing? Like this is like, this isn't it?
[52:47] Speaker 3: And I was had to explain that this is a
[52:49] Speaker 3: wrestling move like a coach Jimmy Jimmy. She's like, yeah, right,
[52:52] Speaker 3: like that's fair. But it was mate. I remember when
[52:55] Speaker 3: it first happened, same thing. Pain is such a big guy.
[52:58] Speaker 3: I was like, this is it. This is exactly what
[53:01] Speaker 3: we've trained for. I'm ready for this moment. Tried to
[53:03] Speaker 3: prop him up and he's just so bid. I was like, okay,
[53:06] Speaker 3: one pump didn't work, so I had to go again.
[53:08] Speaker 3: Then he just that went down and we went back
[53:13] Speaker 3: into the sheds. At the end of the game, one
[53:14] Speaker 3: of the boys is like, dude, check your check socials,
[53:17] Speaker 3: check Instagram, and I think like one of the one
[53:19] Speaker 3: of the NRL pages put it up, one of like
[53:22] Speaker 3: the joke pages, and it just went went nice. And
[53:24] Speaker 3: I don't have I don't have many highlights in my career,
[53:26] Speaker 3: and that's like one of the ones.
[53:28] Speaker 1: That but it always circulates like it always circles back
[53:30] Speaker 1: around every now and then. But I remember when we
[53:33] Speaker 1: were practicing that move with Jimmy, he mentioned that. He
[53:36] Speaker 1: was like, yeah, he brought it up on the restaurants
[53:37] Speaker 1: at Manly. He was like, oh, because the boys obviously
[53:40] Speaker 1: felt so uncomfortable with doing it, like you're doing it
[53:42] Speaker 1: slower training and it did feel like you're humping your
[53:45] Speaker 1: mate from behind. And he was like, oh, you should
[53:48] Speaker 1: You guys should google the kick and hip grave videos.
[53:50] Speaker 2: Yeah, he's one of the great guys, jim He is
[53:53] Speaker 2: one of the best best go black belt in jiu
[53:55] Speaker 2: jitsu as well.
[53:57] Speaker 3: It was a brown belt when we were there, but
[53:58] Speaker 3: I'm pretty I could almost guarantee that he be a
[54:00] Speaker 3: black belt.
[54:01] Speaker 1: Well, his brother Milton is a black belt, so he
[54:03] Speaker 1: used to be our He was the main wrestle coach
[54:05] Speaker 1: at Monty and there him and Jimmy would come to
[54:07] Speaker 1: it together.
[54:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, yea. His nick name used to be called him
[54:10] Speaker 2: the Junkyard Dog. And remember he used to walk into
[54:13] Speaker 2: Sidney King's game, you know the Sydney you have heard of,
[54:16] Speaker 2: like called Rodney. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it'd be like Kegan,
[54:22] Speaker 2: how are you dude?
[54:23] Speaker 3: Yeah?
[54:23] Speaker 2: And he used to be the announcer and every time
[54:25] Speaker 2: Jimmy used to walk into Sydney King and go the
[54:27] Speaker 2: gentleman dogs in the house.
[54:31] Speaker 1: And you know what's so good? I love when when
[54:33] Speaker 1: Jimmy laughs, when you make him laugh and he's like
[54:37] Speaker 1: he holds his heart.
[54:44] Speaker 3: Exactly what.
[54:46] Speaker 1: Ah? Yeah?
[54:48] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah he is done coaching, can you nah?
[54:52] Speaker 3: No? To be honest, mate, Like I I really liked
[54:54] Speaker 3: my time at footy, but it's not really something I
[54:58] Speaker 3: like a lot of guys really enjoy going the coaching
[55:00] Speaker 3: path and doing that stuff. But even when I was
[55:02] Speaker 3: in it, Like I liked rugby league, but I didn't
[55:04] Speaker 3: love rugby league. I wasn't. I wasn't completely obsessed. I
[55:07] Speaker 3: was I was really I love the idea of like
[55:09] Speaker 3: getting better at something. I love the community. I love
[55:12] Speaker 3: like trying to be the best at your chosen thing.
[55:14] Speaker 3: I like that, But for me, it's it's not the
[55:17] Speaker 3: space I want to knock around.
[55:18] Speaker 2: Who was growing up and just in general.
[55:22] Speaker 3: Paul Harrigan, Yeah, yeah, Chief. I think it's just because
[55:25] Speaker 3: he like we were so close growing up. I feel
[55:28] Speaker 3: like we got to know him on like a bit
[55:29] Speaker 3: more of an intimate level, like and everyone around him
[55:32] Speaker 3: obviously like speaks so highly of him, and they talk
[55:35] Speaker 3: about how hard he played on like how hard he
[55:38] Speaker 3: played in the game, but then also how good of
[55:40] Speaker 3: a person he was off the field, Like he'd be
[55:42] Speaker 3: playing touch footy with like twenty of us kids on
[55:44] Speaker 3: the sand at Crescent when we were like five, six,
[55:47] Speaker 3: seven years old, and like there's a photo like me
[55:49] Speaker 3: sitting on his lap at like Crescent had a country
[55:51] Speaker 3: club when I was like four years old or five
[55:53] Speaker 3: years old, and so and so everyone talks about that.
[55:56] Speaker 3: So when I was like, oh, what kind of person
[55:59] Speaker 3: do I want to be? What kind of player do
[56:00] Speaker 3: I want to be? I was like, well, I want
[56:01] Speaker 3: to be like a pretty hard, aggressive style of player,
[56:04] Speaker 3: but I also want to be like a pretty good
[56:06] Speaker 3: person off the field as well. That's kind of like
[56:08] Speaker 3: how I looked at it.
[56:08] Speaker 2: He's a great man. I look sometimes at clubs and
[56:12] Speaker 2: they have like leadership groups or they have two captains,
[56:17] Speaker 2: and I just got I don't get it, Like we
[56:19] Speaker 2: had one captain. He was the chief. He was literally
[56:22] Speaker 2: the chief. And he's he's such an unbelievable guy, such
[56:27] Speaker 2: a well meaning guy. I've never I've never seen I've
[56:30] Speaker 2: never seen him turn his back on anyone. I've never
[56:32] Speaker 2: seen him knock an He went back for an autograph.
[56:35] Speaker 2: He's a really amazingly sensitive guy too. Like he when
[56:39] Speaker 2: he first come into Grave Mate, he was fucking wiping
[56:42] Speaker 2: everyone out right, and it was a fair bit of
[56:44] Speaker 2: friendly fire. There was a guy called Paul Marquette and
[56:46] Speaker 2: he hit it. I played the Broncos and he went
[56:48] Speaker 2: to Jim Laser, I think, and Chief's eye. Chief's finger
[56:52] Speaker 2: went basically broke his finger on the back of Peppy's eye,
[56:56] Speaker 2: took his eye out. But played a game in ninety
[56:59] Speaker 2: two and he knocked out an English player. His name
[57:03] Speaker 2: was Ian Lucas and Lucas was out for about fifteen minutes.
[57:06] Speaker 2: Never played again, and Chief for the following years. For
[57:09] Speaker 2: a few years he used to hold back a little
[57:11] Speaker 2: bit and he used to say, come on, Chief, he go, Chimpie,
[57:14] Speaker 2: I just don't want to do that evertall person again.
[57:17] Speaker 2: And then I remember, and I used to see blokes.
[57:19] Speaker 2: It was almost like they picked up on it, the
[57:21] Speaker 2: opposition players, and they come in to give it the
[57:24] Speaker 2: Chief fight and Chief, you just grab him and pull
[57:27] Speaker 2: him in. I remember for the ninety seven Grand Final,
[57:29] Speaker 2: kill you and he was never a guy who talked tough.
[57:32] Speaker 2: He was never that guy. Remember pulling us into the circle.
[57:34] Speaker 2: We're just about to run out and he said, boys,
[57:37] Speaker 2: today I fucking unload. No one gets sent off in
[57:40] Speaker 2: a Grand Final. And we just went right, it's on.
[57:44] Speaker 2: But he was just There was something they showed the
[57:46] Speaker 2: other day. Actually it was I did a face to
[57:49] Speaker 2: face Ray Halley talking about that ninety seven Grand Final
[57:52] Speaker 2: and they found vision that I've never seen. And if
[57:55] Speaker 2: you go back and have a look that there's a
[57:56] Speaker 2: scene where we beat in allth Sydney to get into
[57:59] Speaker 2: the Grand Fire. And I don't remember this at the time,
[58:01] Speaker 2: but they're showing the vision and Chief gets off the
[58:03] Speaker 2: bus right and there's all these fans there, a lot
[58:06] Speaker 2: of the old ladies who support and he got off
[58:08] Speaker 2: and he went, guys, I just want to say this.
[58:12] Speaker 2: I just cannot tell you how much it means to
[58:14] Speaker 2: us that you follow us everywhere and everything. Now, guys, look,
[58:17] Speaker 2: I can't guarantee we're going to win next weekend. It's
[58:20] Speaker 2: mainly but I tear what we're going to do her
[58:22] Speaker 2: very best for you, right, And it was just so genuine.
[58:25] Speaker 2: You see people sometimes addressed.
[58:27] Speaker 1: Fans, you know who it reminds me of like when
[58:29] Speaker 1: they speak and you just know, like it doesn't matter
[58:31] Speaker 1: what comes out of her mouth because it's so genuine.
[58:33] Speaker 1: Jake Borovich, you know when Jakie speaks and it's like
[58:37] Speaker 1: so honest and so well like it's not just like
[58:40] Speaker 1: you know, we're going to go out there and do
[58:41] Speaker 1: our bet, like it's coming from such a loving r
[58:47] Speaker 1: sorry for you and you just want to cuddle him.
[58:48] Speaker 3: When But tell me more about Chief, because like I
[58:51] Speaker 3: only knew him as like the dad, as the parent,
[58:54] Speaker 3: as a guy that would come and play with us,
[58:56] Speaker 3: Like he's the type of guy that, like we lost
[58:58] Speaker 3: my granddad a couple of years ago the Gold Coast,
[59:01] Speaker 3: just for the funeral, Like this is just the type
[59:02] Speaker 3: of guy he is. We had an awesome chat there,
[59:05] Speaker 3: but from like a teammate like mate point of view,
[59:07] Speaker 3: how how did you find him?
[59:09] Speaker 2: Like what was the loved him? Yeah? We just yeah,
[59:12] Speaker 2: that group blades were really close and he was the
[59:15] Speaker 2: one really bound us together. So it's talking about a
[59:18] Speaker 2: little like a couple of really quick story, isn't it,
[59:20] Speaker 2: which I think sums him up. As we're leaving Newcastle
[59:24] Speaker 2: to get on the highway or at West Walls End,
[59:26] Speaker 2: there was about probably ten thousand people just lined on
[59:29] Speaker 2: the streets and this bloke held up a sign one
[59:31] Speaker 2: more round, one more round, and I remember, Chief can
[59:35] Speaker 2: sure talk about this is bad? Remember, Chief broke it.
[59:39] Speaker 2: He broke into tears, and he turned around and said,
[59:42] Speaker 2: there's no fucking way we're coming back into this town, losers.
[59:45] Speaker 2: And then we went down and I remember the night
[59:48] Speaker 2: before the game and we had a meeting as a
[59:53] Speaker 2: term and it was just everyone's just everyone wanted to
[59:55] Speaker 2: be somewhere else. I want together, movies or whatever, you know,
[59:58] Speaker 2: and we're having dinner and he can up and said, Chimp,
[1:00:00] Speaker 2: that was just shit, you know. He said we've got
[1:00:03] Speaker 2: to well, we've got to just have a moon and
[1:00:04] Speaker 2: just the boys, and I went, oh, Chief, anyway, he
[1:00:08] Speaker 2: just he had his way and he said, right, everyone
[1:00:10] Speaker 2: in the room, just just the players. He got in
[1:00:11] Speaker 2: there and he just ran fucking right. Everyone going to
[1:00:14] Speaker 2: go through the room and everyone's got to talk about
[1:00:16] Speaker 2: what it needs to win this fucking game. And I
[1:00:19] Speaker 2: remember the last bloke it got to remarked Lenville, and
[1:00:26] Speaker 2: and MG was a bloke. He submitted himself. He's just
[1:00:29] Speaker 2: a cold, hard pro. He used to say, if they
[1:00:31] Speaker 2: didn't pay me, I wouldn't play, and it was. He
[1:00:34] Speaker 2: was one of the first guys ever signed for the Knights,
[1:00:37] Speaker 2: and I remember it was his last ever game for
[1:00:39] Speaker 2: the club. And I remember when he goes, MG, you're last,
[1:00:42] Speaker 2: and we're sitting there and we can't there's no sound
[1:00:45] Speaker 2: in the room. And then we turned around. He was crying,
[1:00:49] Speaker 2: and I remember Joey jumped on the bat and said,
[1:00:51] Speaker 2: we fucking got him. We've won. And I remember that feeling,
[1:00:54] Speaker 2: you know, and that's chief now that that's that's that's
[1:00:58] Speaker 2: a captain man.
[1:00:59] Speaker 3: Thanks for sharing that. I love. I love hearing those
[1:01:06] Speaker 3: stories because I don't like we didn't get to play
[1:01:08] Speaker 3: with him, we didn't get to see him in that
[1:01:09] Speaker 3: time when we're so young. She'd be able to hear
[1:01:11] Speaker 3: those stories is really beautiful, So thanks me.
[1:01:14] Speaker 2: It's a great man.
[1:01:15] Speaker 1: It makes you want to like, it makes you want
[1:01:18] Speaker 1: to play with a ball like that because it literally
[1:01:20] Speaker 1: I I can feel the emotion through you. But it's
[1:01:23] Speaker 1: also like to have someone there who brings everyone together
[1:01:28] Speaker 1: like that, it's so leaning into a grand.
[1:01:30] Speaker 3: Far not even just in footy, but just in fucking life.
[1:01:33] Speaker 3: You know, Like they're the type of people that you
[1:01:34] Speaker 3: want in your circles and you gravitate towards you know
[1:01:37] Speaker 3: what I mean. Like footy is a time of our lives,
[1:01:39] Speaker 3: as we know that will come and go, but like
[1:01:41] Speaker 3: we've got so much more time. It's like the people
[1:01:43] Speaker 3: that we want to knock around it like talk about
[1:01:45] Speaker 3: like positive mental health or Movember we're trying to raise
[1:01:48] Speaker 3: money through these marathons. It's like it's all around community,
[1:01:51] Speaker 3: and it's all around crew. Like community is one of
[1:01:53] Speaker 3: the best preventative factors towards like having a bad day
[1:01:56] Speaker 3: of stress, poor mental health, or whatever you want to
[1:01:58] Speaker 3: call it. Like that is one of the best things.
[1:02:00] Speaker 3: And we hang have crew like that. It's like, fuck,
[1:02:02] Speaker 3: that's what you.
[1:02:03] Speaker 2: Want around amazing pop humans. What we we're tribal, you know,
[1:02:07] Speaker 2: we're pack animals a lot of times. And I was
[1:02:09] Speaker 2: flying back, flying back from Canberra, and I'm looking at
[1:02:13] Speaker 2: just this area in the middle of nowhere and there's
[1:02:15] Speaker 2: like sort of hundred houses all together, and I just
[1:02:18] Speaker 2: got that that's we're tribal and so we you know,
[1:02:21] Speaker 2: and when we love, and we so easily lose that connection,
[1:02:24] Speaker 2: particularly men.
[1:02:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, we do, certainly. Thanks for coming on making my
[1:02:28] Speaker 1: dad cry.
[1:02:31] Speaker 3: I was expecting cry when I'm hungover.
[1:02:36] Speaker 1: I've heard him tell that story fifty times and it's
[1:02:39] Speaker 1: the most emotional telling.
[1:02:41] Speaker 2: You know. I hang out driving home before could you?
[1:02:43] Speaker 2: And I just got got a really emotional in the
[1:02:45] Speaker 2: car and I pulled over in the side of the
[1:02:46] Speaker 2: road and I sent because Trisha's away at the moment, India,
[1:02:49] Speaker 2: and I said, Trisha, you know what our time apart
[1:02:52] Speaker 2: makes me just realize how much I love you, darling.
[1:02:55] Speaker 2: I'm going to find you in the afterlife. And then
[1:02:57] Speaker 2: she text me that goes, oh you know you have
[1:02:59] Speaker 2: you been.
[1:03:00] Speaker 1: Any love you to know mess like that, I'll find
[1:03:06] Speaker 1: you in the afterlight. That's a crime for hell, We'll.
[1:03:12] Speaker 2: Tell you what I did one so I got there
[1:03:13] Speaker 2: and I'll have me to fund. I used to get
[1:03:15] Speaker 2: this sometime of Cen. Tricia text and I go, oh, man,
[1:03:19] Speaker 2: you put your lingerie on wait till I get home,
[1:03:21] Speaker 2: and all that sort of stuff, and she'd be she'd
[1:03:23] Speaker 2: come back and just go she go yeah, yeah, laugh,
[1:03:25] Speaker 2: laugh laugh. Anyway, I was down to the boot club
[1:03:27] Speaker 2: once and she text me and goes, oh yeah, what
[1:03:29] Speaker 2: are you doing? But hell and get me back and
[1:03:31] Speaker 2: I and I ticked back and I went, oh mate,
[1:03:33] Speaker 2: you wait till mate, you wait till I get back.
[1:03:35] Speaker 2: You just get ready, mate, We're going to have a night.
[1:03:37] Speaker 2: You will not forget. Anyway, I accidentally sent it to
[1:03:41] Speaker 2: the boxing train to Johnny Lewis.
[1:03:46] Speaker 1: It's just what thanks thanks for coming over seriously, mate, Yeah, yeah,
[1:03:58] Speaker 1: good luck for the marathons, right, we're gonna whipping your home.
[1:04:00] Speaker 1: I appreciate market for it.
[1:04:02] Speaker 3: Market I'm not sure I probably wouldn't be paying, to
[1:04:05] Speaker 3: be honest. Just get through the seven.
[1:04:07] Speaker 2: Of the mate for coming. We're going to buy a
[1:04:09] Speaker 2: Titans membership, something.
[1:04:12] Speaker 3: I've always wanted to. I'm very grateful. Thank you take
[1:04:16] Speaker 3: us to be r Yeah

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