# Sharks Sink Raiders & Panthers Maul the Dogs | Finals Week 2 Review + Fletch & Hindy

An episode of [Backstage with Cooper & Matty Johns](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729949087), 21 Sep 2025, 55 min.

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Cooper battles through a hangover while the boys dive straight into finals footy. Sharks’ big win over the Raiders is broken down, along with what it means for Canberra’s season moving forward. Backstage banter with Jack & Cooper heats up before the Panthers’ dominance over the Bulldogs is unpacked. Later on, Matty joins the chat — with Nathan Hindmarsh and Bryan Fletcher jumping in for some classic laughs. Subscribe, Watch, and Follow Catch the full episode on YouTube and stay updated by following us on social media: Linktree: Backstage with Cooper & Matty Contact Us For any enquiries, email us at: contact@johnsmedia.com.au 0:00-Coops Hungover 1:20-Ethan Strange 2:45-Sharks Beat Raiders 22:00-Raiders Season 28:00-Backstage Jack & Cooper 30:00-Panthers Beats Bulldogs 47:15-Matty Joins 49:00-Nathan Hindmarsh Joins 52:30-Bryan Fletcher Joins See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:00] Speaker 1: Welcome, Welcome to the review, Ladies and gentlemen. We're up
[0:04] Speaker 1: to the ground file and qualifiers, but well, a couple
[0:06] Speaker 1: of big games this. Firstly, we're going to talk about
[0:09] Speaker 1: the Sharks and the Raiders. Before we do it, Cooplet's
[0:12] Speaker 1: just disclose why you're looking a little bit shady or
[0:15] Speaker 1: a little bit creepy. Well, you watched the game here
[0:20] Speaker 1: last night, and then the ras man, the ras men
[0:23] Speaker 1: came out of his our garage and said to Coop
[0:26] Speaker 1: bar mate, there's one or two of the boys down
[0:27] Speaker 1: the Coloroid, and you went down there. Next thing you know,
[0:29] Speaker 1: you strolling at seven thirty this morning. Congratulations.
[0:33] Speaker 2: Is that something you would congratulate your son on.
[0:36] Speaker 1: Well, I'm all for having a good time, brother. Where'd
[0:39] Speaker 1: you go? Where'd you finish up at?
[0:41] Speaker 2: I don't I don't even want to talk about it.
[0:43] Speaker 2: You don't want to know, Okay, I don't want to
[0:45] Speaker 2: the less detail.
[0:47] Speaker 1: I don't to criminate yourself.
[0:48] Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, not that I did anything criminally wrong,
[0:51] Speaker 2: but I just I just prefer not to probably disclose
[0:55] Speaker 2: sort of. Yeah, I'm just not proud of it. I'm
[0:58] Speaker 2: not proud of.
[0:59] Speaker 1: Myself trying to legitude should we do a rhyme? Should
[1:03] Speaker 1: we have a guest? We asked the maybe the listeners
[1:06] Speaker 1: to chip in what they believe might have What happened.
[1:08] Speaker 1: Did we're thrown out of anywhere? Uh?
[1:10] Speaker 2: Nah, no no, no, let's just let's let's let's let
[1:14] Speaker 2: sleeping dogs lie. Yeah, let's just not do it.
[1:16] Speaker 1: Well. Thirty to twelve, Sharky's over the Raiders. I want
[1:20] Speaker 1: to talk about the lead up to the game. Firstly, Coop,
[1:22] Speaker 1: and the first thing was Ethan Strange ruled out influenza
[1:27] Speaker 1: two A. Sorry to ab. There's so many letters and
[1:32] Speaker 1: numbers going around A Titus C B A.
[1:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's so many different strains.
[1:38] Speaker 1: Well, anyway, he must have got the bad one because
[1:40] Speaker 1: he's a tough kid, and they recoon it the Captain's run.
[1:43] Speaker 1: He's started feel a little bit crooked, and then woke
[1:44] Speaker 1: up yesterday morning and literally couldn't get out of bed.
[1:48] Speaker 1: They caught the doctor and he said there is no
[1:50] Speaker 1: way you should play health wise. Yeah.
[1:52] Speaker 2: They said it was like an actual risk to his health. Like, yeah,
[1:57] Speaker 2: so I never really heard that before.
[1:58] Speaker 1: Whereas if you have sort of.
[2:00] Speaker 2: That flu or influence that people play through it, you
[2:03] Speaker 2: can scale your heart, yeah, but it's actually bad like
[2:06] Speaker 2: you can have long term impact well too.
[2:09] Speaker 1: He was such a loss because he's their vibe. He
[2:12] Speaker 1: brings the energy Ethan and so there was a side
[2:15] Speaker 1: that was already a little bit on the ropes, a
[2:17] Speaker 1: little bit tired. We anticipated that going to take them
[2:19] Speaker 1: a little bit to get up emotionally and to loser
[2:22] Speaker 1: key player like that just takes the edge off a
[2:24] Speaker 1: little bit more going into the game. Raiders were very
[2:26] Speaker 1: quite leading into the game. You know, the only thing
[2:30] Speaker 1: they ever heard was then probably fending off questions about
[2:33] Speaker 1: the previous Sunday's loss and how it would affect them
[2:38] Speaker 1: and affect their energy. They sort of that was about
[2:40] Speaker 1: the only talking point you heard the Raiders talk about.
[2:42] Speaker 1: They sort of kept things under wraps. Sharks have totally
[2:47] Speaker 1: changed their ways the last two week. Sharks have really
[2:51] Speaker 1: talked tough, mate, They've been right up on their toes.
[2:54] Speaker 1: They've been really aggressive going into these games, and I
[2:57] Speaker 1: love it the Sharks. To me, every side has an identity.
[3:00] Speaker 1: But I think about Melbourne, I go a professionalism discipline.
[3:05] Speaker 1: When I think about the Panthers, I think mate, precision.
[3:09] Speaker 1: When I think about the Sharks, I think nice guys,
[3:13] Speaker 1: that's the first come to mind. But the last two weeks, mate,
[3:17] Speaker 1: they've got rid of that persona. They've actually got a
[3:19] Speaker 1: little bit of shit on their liver. They've talked a
[3:21] Speaker 1: big going into games and they've backed it up. I
[3:24] Speaker 1: love it.
[3:24] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think and Ronaldo has been the He's been
[3:27] Speaker 2: the forefront of that. He's done his whole life, let alone.
[3:30] Speaker 1: This year, but Nico last.
[3:32] Speaker 2: But yeah, that's unlike, Yeah, I like, I think a
[3:36] Speaker 2: lot of people I saw I was watching like NL
[3:38] Speaker 2: three sixty and stuff during the week and some of
[3:40] Speaker 2: the journals were a little bit you know, you don't
[3:44] Speaker 2: you haven't earned the right to be respected yet because
[3:47] Speaker 2: until you go down to Canberra and beat Camber in camera. Yeah,
[3:51] Speaker 2: but yeah, that's yeah. But I thought that was pretty
[3:54] Speaker 2: tough call. And I think it's for Nicko to put
[3:57] Speaker 2: himself in that firing line because if he goes out
[4:01] Speaker 2: there and plays a bad game, you know this weekend,
[4:05] Speaker 2: that comes back to bite him in a big way.
[4:07] Speaker 2: I think.
[4:07] Speaker 1: But its performs the last two years.
[4:09] Speaker 2: I think I think since he's dally m year, it's
[4:12] Speaker 2: been his best performance. But yeah, I think I think
[4:16] Speaker 2: putting himself out there to be It's almost a bit
[4:19] Speaker 2: of self accountability. I think, ye like forcing themselves. It
[4:23] Speaker 2: doesn't give him any other option.
[4:24] Speaker 1: Really.
[4:25] Speaker 2: They've sort of sat back in the media. Niko has
[4:28] Speaker 2: particularly this year at times. But I think when you
[4:31] Speaker 2: go out in front of the cameras and throw, you know,
[4:34] Speaker 2: say that like we want to be respected, YadA YadA,
[4:37] Speaker 2: it forces leading into the game to be so precise
[4:42] Speaker 2: with your preparation because he knows that if he goes
[4:44] Speaker 2: out there and has a bad game, that he's going
[4:46] Speaker 2: to get publicly criticized.
[4:48] Speaker 1: And I just find it strange that people would say that, oh,
[4:50] Speaker 1: you know, what are they doing talking up? You don't
[4:52] Speaker 1: do that. They haven't earned the right. Hang on a second, mate,
[4:56] Speaker 1: you're going down and win it. You're going down to
[4:57] Speaker 1: win finals match. You don't want to go down meek
[5:00] Speaker 1: and mild with your cap in hand, going oh you know,
[5:02] Speaker 1: and tippy toe on and playing on eggshells, playing nervous.
[5:06] Speaker 1: Make you get into them, get on the front foot.
[5:08] Speaker 1: It's a mind game. Yeah, it's a mind game. They
[5:11] Speaker 1: saw a Canber side that was a little bit on
[5:13] Speaker 1: the ropes and vulnerable after what happened the previous Sunday
[5:16] Speaker 1: and they went from.
[5:17] Speaker 2: Yeah, because I watched that. I watched Ricky and Joe
[5:20] Speaker 2: Tarpei in the press conference and they got asked that
[5:23] Speaker 2: did that loss sort of affect you guys? And they
[5:26] Speaker 2: were pretty strong on No. We came in Tuesday and
[5:29] Speaker 2: we left it all. But you could tell to yeah,
[5:32] Speaker 2: because that first twenty minutes they were strong, they like
[5:35] Speaker 2: and Sharks matched them physically and you know, there wasn't
[5:40] Speaker 2: a try until twenty minutes in, but you could tell
[5:43] Speaker 2: at that back end of the game that fatigue, just
[5:46] Speaker 2: the fatigue of that game. And last week it just
[5:48] Speaker 2: got to them because some of the tries that were
[5:49] Speaker 2: scored quite quite easy.
[5:51] Speaker 1: We'll map the game in a second coup. I just
[5:54] Speaker 1: want to talk firstly about the late season surge from
[5:57] Speaker 1: the Sharks, because all year they've been so so would
[6:00] Speaker 1: you say that, like, yeah, how the shows, Oh yeah,
[6:02] Speaker 1: they're hard to get a read on, sign under the
[6:04] Speaker 1: radar bit. But this late season surge, and I'll tell
[6:07] Speaker 1: you what it is, mate. They've got firstly, a really
[6:10] Speaker 1: powerful yardage combination there which is formed and it's Ronaldo
[6:15] Speaker 1: and Naden Faniel Blake. Ronaldo gets some going on early tackles,
[6:19] Speaker 1: Fanel Blake finishes set off, gets Trendle and Nico into
[6:23] Speaker 1: attack position or just at least time to get that
[6:25] Speaker 1: kick away second one. This is huge. The key creative
[6:30] Speaker 1: players have found, not just top four, they have finally
[6:34] Speaker 1: found combination. Trendle, Nicko and Brayley. They're understanding their own strengths.
[6:41] Speaker 1: They're understanding the strengths of the blokes they're playing alongside
[6:44] Speaker 1: and how to compliment those strengths. The three of those
[6:47] Speaker 1: guys last night, how they operate in combination was fantastic.
[6:50] Speaker 1: I love the fact that Nico and Trendle combined numerous
[6:54] Speaker 1: times to make breaks and score tries. That's how Harps
[6:56] Speaker 1: should play as a combination, So I thought that was
[6:59] Speaker 1: good and to coop the other one. They've just got
[7:02] Speaker 1: great back rowers, mate, They're their back rowers were mighty
[7:05] Speaker 1: last night. But I don't know any side in the
[7:07] Speaker 1: competition that relies on their back rowers more than the Sharks,
[7:11] Speaker 1: because the Sharks do have a tendency to just drift
[7:14] Speaker 1: sideways a little bit. Nikera Wilton burns. Mate, they straighten
[7:20] Speaker 1: with those aggressive straight runs and last night they were
[7:23] Speaker 1: tremendous and when you're I'm talking about attack here, but
[7:27] Speaker 1: when when you're a tax on song and you're starting
[7:30] Speaker 1: to swagger because you're a tax going good, it gives
[7:32] Speaker 1: you the motivation to defend your ourself. I'd see that
[7:37] Speaker 1: withsides who struggled at school points. Eventually the pressure of
[7:42] Speaker 1: that just counsel on their defense. But when you can
[7:44] Speaker 1: score points and you've got a bit of that arrogance
[7:46] Speaker 1: about you, mate, you want to defend.
[7:49] Speaker 2: Yeah, And you can see. We're going to talk about
[7:52] Speaker 2: some of the actual tries in a minute, but their
[7:55] Speaker 2: identity that we spoke about last week as well, the
[7:59] Speaker 2: ability to play off quick play the balls and ad
[8:01] Speaker 2: lib footy now yep, Like the years before their knocks
[8:05] Speaker 2: sort of been they set up for these big, long
[8:08] Speaker 2: shifts and plays and they kind of get shut down
[8:11] Speaker 2: and red like because people prepare for that during the week.
[8:14] Speaker 2: It's very easy to prepare for plays and that sort
[8:17] Speaker 2: of predictable stuff. But the tries that they scored in
[8:21] Speaker 2: yesterday's game against Canberra, ninety percent of them I think
[8:25] Speaker 2: everyone one was off a play where Nico hits Malatalo
[8:28] Speaker 2: gets it out the back of a block, yep. But
[8:30] Speaker 2: the rest of them were all add lib footy great,
[8:32] Speaker 2: like that Nico goes down, puts kale Ero through on
[8:35] Speaker 2: a line break and then fifth tackle Trindle gets it,
[8:39] Speaker 2: fifth tackle shapes to kick, flicks Nico under and then
[8:43] Speaker 2: Nico scores like and then.
[8:45] Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of times they're little structured sequences made
[8:49] Speaker 1: the break and their ability to react off that game
[8:52] Speaker 1: the tries.
[8:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I just thought it was good. It was
[8:56] Speaker 2: a good It's a good visual for them going Melbourne
[9:00] Speaker 2: next week to play against the storm of how they
[9:02] Speaker 2: need to play their footage yep, because you're not gonna
[9:05] Speaker 2: Melbourne is so precise with video sessions and how to
[9:08] Speaker 2: shut down key players and they'll know what players that
[9:11] Speaker 2: they like, every individual's favorite foot to step off and
[9:14] Speaker 2: shit like that. The only thing that they can't prepare
[9:17] Speaker 2: for is the footy that they just played against Cambros yep.
[9:20] Speaker 1: The ability to someone to watch spots something and sense
[9:23] Speaker 1: of vulnerability send someone looks a little bit tired, defensive
[9:27] Speaker 1: patterns or defensive defense lines not in order. There's something missing,
[9:31] Speaker 1: that's the stuff that's hard to defend. And what has
[9:35] Speaker 1: to find this final series so far, in my opinion,
[9:38] Speaker 1: is I can't remember a final series where it's almost
[9:41] Speaker 1: like every error is getting punished badly, whether it be
[9:45] Speaker 1: sustained possessions for the side who you know who they surrender, sorry,
[9:50] Speaker 1: sustained possession to the opposition. But the seven tackle sense
[9:55] Speaker 1: a really big one. Seven tackle sets are always costly,
[9:59] Speaker 1: but this final series really have been and it's the
[10:02] Speaker 1: eras that errors that have killed Canbra Canbra in this game, Coop.
[10:11] Speaker 1: They looked physically, you could see, mate, You could see it.
[10:15] Speaker 1: Just the more that Cronulla had the ball, the closer
[10:19] Speaker 1: you could see Canbra getting to hitting the wall. And
[10:22] Speaker 1: in the second half that try the Billy Burns scored. Yeah,
[10:25] Speaker 1: where he wandered up to the line and given the
[10:27] Speaker 1: context of the importance of the game and the fact
[10:30] Speaker 1: that it was twelve all at the time, it was
[10:32] Speaker 1: a soft try, but it was a fatigue try. He
[10:34] Speaker 1: just went through a defense line that had that had
[10:38] Speaker 1: hit the wall. They're wobbling and although it was only
[10:40] Speaker 1: eight and twelve at that point you're going, well, the
[10:42] Speaker 1: game is still a beout. It wasn't. You could see
[10:44] Speaker 1: it with your eye. Canbra were done at that point.
[10:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, and you just said fatigue try I think every try,
[10:52] Speaker 2: I would say probably every tie, including Raiders. That first
[10:55] Speaker 2: trie with Corey Harse were scored.
[10:57] Speaker 1: Yep.
[10:57] Speaker 2: I think that first twenty minutes was so physical, so
[11:01] Speaker 2: such a big arm wrestle that nearly every try after
[11:04] Speaker 2: that was just a fatigue try. And that's why you
[11:06] Speaker 2: saw a lot of players be put on because they
[11:09] Speaker 2: get quick play the balls and then they'd have ad
[11:11] Speaker 2: lib footy and then like that Horse per try, he
[11:14] Speaker 2: had three or four blokes around him and then.
[11:15] Speaker 1: Yeah, well let's let's talk about that. Let's map the
[11:18] Speaker 1: game here. And what was interesting My first observation of
[11:20] Speaker 1: the game coup in the first ten minutes went, well,
[11:23] Speaker 1: Jamal Foggerty's nervous. Yeah, like he's he's Jamal. You know,
[11:27] Speaker 1: winning a competition is just so much. It's as much
[11:31] Speaker 1: about injuries and formers timing, you know, timing your run perfectly,
[11:37] Speaker 1: and who knows where confidence goes? Sometimes confidence comes and
[11:40] Speaker 1: confidence goes sometimes a bit of a mystery. And you know,
[11:44] Speaker 1: the last last week was tough on Jamal, but you've
[11:47] Speaker 1: just seen how that's impacted him. A little dip, his
[11:50] Speaker 1: little dip in confidence there. Yeah, and you saw like
[11:54] Speaker 1: he was like that last week as well. It was
[11:56] Speaker 1: a bit off last week. He had some uncharacteristic errors
[11:59] Speaker 1: against the Bronco. Was like there was the you know,
[12:03] Speaker 1: some poor kicks from him as well, which kicking game
[12:06] Speaker 1: has been his bread and butter his whole career. Yeah,
[12:08] Speaker 1: and he's that's what's really you know, been so pivotal
[12:11] Speaker 1: in that Raiders. But then he also got tackled on
[12:13] Speaker 1: fifth tackle a couple of times, which is very unlike
[12:16] Speaker 1: him because he.
[12:17] Speaker 2: Does all the kicking. Because with Strange being there and
[12:20] Speaker 2: then you know, Ethan Strange not being there, I think
[12:23] Speaker 2: I think it was just a little bit too much
[12:26] Speaker 2: for him because Simmy saying who Jack played with the
[12:29] Speaker 2: Newcastle he actually played quite well.
[12:31] Speaker 1: I thought he was probably the Raiders' best player.
[12:33] Speaker 2: Yeah, which is bizarre because you know he's playing five eight,
[12:36] Speaker 2: which is is a bit foreign for him. But that
[12:39] Speaker 2: was because I think they kind of used him as
[12:42] Speaker 2: a little bit of a forward, like as a runner. Yeah,
[12:46] Speaker 2: there was he made a clean line break at one stage,
[12:48] Speaker 2: just taking on inside a Well.
[12:51] Speaker 1: It's funny the first try that you said up at
[12:53] Speaker 1: the Harsbery try and they led six snil and I've
[12:56] Speaker 1: said about the Raiders errors killed him. All that one
[12:59] Speaker 1: was Cronulla. When I saw what happened. I'll talk about
[13:02] Speaker 1: the mistake in a minute. I actually thought about the
[13:04] Speaker 1: week before Tanner Boyd not putting the kickout, where you're
[13:07] Speaker 1: given an opportunity and you blow it through an unforgivable error,
[13:11] Speaker 1: and that one was Jesse Raymian, like Caronulla had three
[13:13] Speaker 1: sets in a raw. They're attacking their line, they got
[13:16] Speaker 1: they've got an attacking scrum and you're going, you can
[13:18] Speaker 1: see the Raiders they're already mate that they're not defending
[13:22] Speaker 1: with the same sort of energy they had through the year.
[13:25] Speaker 1: And Jesse just drops the ball cold from the scrum
[13:28] Speaker 1: and I've gone, man, that's it, you know, that's that's
[13:31] Speaker 1: an unforgivable error there. And then what happens Camber make
[13:34] Speaker 1: their way down the field and Corey Hallsbrough schools. It
[13:37] Speaker 1: just shows you, you know, the effect that errors and
[13:41] Speaker 1: particularly those really soft errors, those unforced errors, and how
[13:44] Speaker 1: much that hurts you. And so it was when I
[13:49] Speaker 1: look at the game Coup Sharks sorry, Raiders led six
[13:57] Speaker 1: about twenty minutes into the game. But anytime, one of
[14:00] Speaker 1: the things I saw anytime that the Sharks had sustained possession,
[14:03] Speaker 1: like back to back sets or kept the ball for
[14:04] Speaker 1: a few minutes, Mate, you could see how weary, You
[14:07] Speaker 1: could really see how weary the Raiders would get very
[14:10] Speaker 1: very quickly. And that was a cue for what was
[14:12] Speaker 1: going to happen later. But in the lead up to
[14:15] Speaker 1: in the lead up to the Sharks first try to
[14:17] Speaker 1: make him sixty six, it was it was sameras from
[14:19] Speaker 1: the Raiders and it was a poor kick, you know,
[14:22] Speaker 1: you could you could see at that point it was
[14:24] Speaker 1: a really poor kick. They weren't doing the fundamentals right
[14:26] Speaker 1: and it got to the point they just you know,
[14:29] Speaker 1: they couldn't absorb the pressure they were putting themselves under.
[14:33] Speaker 1: And that that try come about could if you go
[14:35] Speaker 1: back and wats their first try try and it again
[14:38] Speaker 1: they attacked that problematic right side defense from the Raiders.
[14:42] Speaker 1: But I don't in a lot of ways, I don't
[14:44] Speaker 1: blame the outside man entirely for it. I'll tell you
[14:48] Speaker 1: what happened when you go back and have a look
[14:49] Speaker 1: at it. The middleman, including Corey Horsebert, they don't really
[14:52] Speaker 1: get up, they sit and so fo he leads the
[14:55] Speaker 1: line up and he realizes, mate, they've not come they've
[14:59] Speaker 1: not really come up, not a square with him. So
[15:01] Speaker 1: what happens is he actually squeezes in just a little
[15:04] Speaker 1: bit and he just goes in and tries to protect
[15:07] Speaker 1: the inside men just a little bit. He squeezes slightly,
[15:09] Speaker 1: and the outside men squeeze in dramatically, and Ronaldo just scores.
[15:15] Speaker 1: There wasn't anyone within ten to fifteen meters of Yeah.
[15:17] Speaker 2: But you talk about the front rowers and the middles
[15:21] Speaker 2: not putting pressure on the half coming out and put helping,
[15:24] Speaker 2: because that's letting people know that's that's as a half
[15:28] Speaker 2: when you when you're attacking the try line, Like there's
[15:32] Speaker 2: just the good sides and the good front rowers when
[15:35] Speaker 2: they're fresh, they come out and put so much inside
[15:37] Speaker 2: pressure on you as a half. That's right, And I
[15:40] Speaker 2: think that's just a byproduct of that first twenty minutes.
[15:43] Speaker 2: There was so much fatigue, Yeah, so much ball in
[15:46] Speaker 2: play that that's where you saw those fatigue easy tries
[15:49] Speaker 2: because foggedy, which it's easy to say, oh, you squeezed
[15:53] Speaker 2: in and do that, but like when you look at
[15:56] Speaker 2: it as an edge, what the defensive system is, he
[15:59] Speaker 2: actually did his role because halves are told and centers
[16:03] Speaker 2: and wingers to protect your inside shoulder. Ye, when a
[16:06] Speaker 2: half goes deep that center and we are told to jam,
[16:09] Speaker 2: they just yeah, I mean they just missed it by
[16:12] Speaker 2: half a second.
[16:12] Speaker 1: But Nico, I do think outside defenders these days too much.
[16:16] Speaker 1: They just race him blindly. Just if you're my inside man.
[16:20] Speaker 1: Just because you make a defensive era, it doesn't mean
[16:22] Speaker 1: I should jump into the fire as well. You know,
[16:24] Speaker 1: I should have the ability to sit and try to
[16:25] Speaker 1: solve it, break out of that defensive system. But it's
[16:28] Speaker 1: funny Sharks suit scored soon after. And if we're talking
[16:31] Speaker 1: about the combination, how Nico and Trendle have finally formed
[16:35] Speaker 1: combination and understanding their roles. I reckon this is the
[16:38] Speaker 1: best example this try and as you said, they attack
[16:40] Speaker 1: down that left hand edge again, the attacking the Raiders
[16:44] Speaker 1: right side defense, and they do a nice little player.
[16:47] Speaker 1: I think. I think it's Trindle that tells why looks
[16:50] Speaker 1: in out the back to Niko and it just disorientates
[16:53] Speaker 1: the defense and the row makes his way down. Next play,
[16:56] Speaker 1: Trindle gets the ball, as you said, just wanders across
[16:59] Speaker 1: the field, wanders holds the ball. Nice little bit of
[17:02] Speaker 1: Finesse inside flick pass, they combine again. Nico scores next
[17:07] Speaker 1: to the post, and it just shows you the roles.
[17:09] Speaker 1: Trendle organize and Finesse, Nico react and run. They've found
[17:14] Speaker 1: their roles. I agree.
[17:15] Speaker 2: I think it's the best that they've combined since they've
[17:19] Speaker 2: been since Moylan left and Tricky Trendle has come into
[17:22] Speaker 2: that side. I think it's the best combination game that
[17:25] Speaker 2: they've ever had together because they linked. They linked so
[17:28] Speaker 2: well together. What you want in your opposite half. Like
[17:30] Speaker 2: when Trendle gets it on fifth tackle and takes off
[17:33] Speaker 2: like that, It'd be easy for Nico to stand back
[17:35] Speaker 2: call for it because it's fifth tackle, right, Like, Nico's
[17:38] Speaker 2: role is to call for it and kick for the
[17:41] Speaker 2: kick for that right winger. But he sees an opportunity
[17:43] Speaker 2: where Tricky has taken off, and rather than sit back
[17:45] Speaker 2: and call for it or just leave Tricky on his own,
[17:48] Speaker 2: he reacts and combines, drops whatever he's doing and just
[17:52] Speaker 2: punch it. Looks to push with him, drops under him,
[17:54] Speaker 2: and then.
[17:54] Speaker 1: Scores a try. Yeah and Coop. Halftime comes right at
[17:57] Speaker 1: the right time for Camebra because Sharks have gone try
[18:01] Speaker 1: try and like sound like a broken record. You can
[18:04] Speaker 1: see them start at really starting fits. They're struggling in defense,
[18:09] Speaker 1: and after halftime they have a really good period with
[18:11] Speaker 1: the Raiders. It's our last good period in the game.
[18:13] Speaker 1: And so the scores twelve to six, they're down. It's
[18:16] Speaker 1: the Sharks. A poor kick from the Sharks which allows
[18:20] Speaker 1: cambrid to wander downfield. Susagi scores to try, but I
[18:25] Speaker 1: guess just allowed Huts and young Steins in the line.
[18:27] Speaker 1: Fair decision. But the next set of next set or two,
[18:31] Speaker 1: they've still got field position and Tamala scores to make
[18:35] Speaker 1: a twelve all and at that point you're going, I'm looking, go, well, okay, okay,
[18:39] Speaker 1: they've rested up at halftime, they've got themselves back in
[18:42] Speaker 1: the game. It's twelve twelve games in the balance. But
[18:46] Speaker 1: then mate, midway midway through that that second half coup,
[18:49] Speaker 1: the Billy Burns try, and this was this was the
[18:53] Speaker 1: curtain being drawn on the Raiders season. They've been doing
[18:56] Speaker 1: a bit of defense. I mean, you know, they've been
[18:58] Speaker 1: holding them out, hanging in there. But Burns gets the
[19:02] Speaker 1: ball and just as I said, wanders and just wanders
[19:05] Speaker 1: through and scores. It's you know, eighteen twelve after the conversion,
[19:10] Speaker 1: effectively the game still you know, it's in the balance still,
[19:13] Speaker 1: but it isn't you see, right Raiders at that point Yeah,
[19:16] Speaker 1: after that, the Sharks start to do whatever they want
[19:19] Speaker 1: with the Raiders.
[19:19] Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think I think a good sort of
[19:22] Speaker 2: visual and sign of the Raiders mentality in this game
[19:27] Speaker 2: was and it wasn't by lack of effort and stuff
[19:31] Speaker 2: like that. I think it was just a big, big
[19:33] Speaker 2: week and a lot of fatigue. But yeh, tricky Bradon
[19:36] Speaker 2: Trindle puts up a torpedo. They let it bounce, you know,
[19:40] Speaker 2: and unfortunate circumstances, you know, I think Weeks or Foggty
[19:45] Speaker 2: someone hits it backward and Arro's there to pick it
[19:47] Speaker 2: up and score under the post, which is a very
[19:50] Speaker 2: unfortunate try. And people say it's lucky. But when you
[19:54] Speaker 2: freeze frame it. When that ball hits the ground, there's
[19:57] Speaker 2: two Raiders jerseys there. Yeah, I think it's Stewart and Weeks,
[20:01] Speaker 2: and I think there's by the time that ball bounces
[20:03] Speaker 2: it's in the air, there's about four Yeah, there's a
[20:06] Speaker 2: four Shark players, right, yeah, yeah, and that's I look
[20:08] Speaker 2: at that. I remember looking at that last night and
[20:11] Speaker 2: I was for me that epitomizes the mentality of teams.
[20:15] Speaker 2: So that's I think it's a good indication of their
[20:20] Speaker 2: effort in their mindset at the time, because the hardier work,
[20:24] Speaker 2: the luckier gae yep, and then jumped that down.
[20:27] Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's leading up that try, coop like it
[20:30] Speaker 1: says a lot where cameras for that shirt. Yeah, putting
[20:34] Speaker 1: on a T shirt and well, actually was in the
[20:35] Speaker 1: nice we have it on our backs. Harder I work
[20:37] Speaker 1: like you, I get did you Yeah? Yeah, for sure,
[20:40] Speaker 1: I didn't get lucky, but then it got it worth
[20:42] Speaker 1: that hard either. But leading into that try is it's
[20:46] Speaker 1: twenty to twelve because Brawley does the step before did
[20:49] Speaker 1: a scoop pick it up? They got a penalty made
[20:51] Speaker 1: of twenty to twelve. Yeah, but twenty to twelve. For
[20:53] Speaker 1: all the spectators at the ground, they're still saying it's
[20:56] Speaker 1: game on. But when you're in that situation, you know
[20:59] Speaker 1: your self and your team's under the gun, you know
[21:05] Speaker 1: you can understand the circumstances you find yourself in. And
[21:08] Speaker 1: with the Raiders, this is where they started to lose.
[21:11] Speaker 1: This is where they start to fall. The bits because
[21:13] Speaker 1: Foggedy's sensors. Mate, we need something. They are only about
[21:16] Speaker 1: forty meters out in their own line. He does an
[21:18] Speaker 1: attacking bomb, A poor attacking bomb. Mate. The Sharks pick
[21:21] Speaker 1: it up and just get it in their own forty
[21:24] Speaker 1: two or three plays later, as you said, they're in
[21:27] Speaker 1: an attack position. Trindle puts up the talk per bomb. They
[21:30] Speaker 1: let a bounce and bounces back and they score twenty
[21:33] Speaker 1: six twelve and that's all over and again that fuel position,
[21:37] Speaker 1: the position they found themselves in to put the attacking
[21:39] Speaker 1: kick was becurse of Canbra, it was course of Canber. Mentally,
[21:43] Speaker 1: they just lost their way. They just lost all composure.
[21:47] Speaker 2: How do you see like when you look back at
[21:50] Speaker 2: the raid of season, they obviously performed like this game aside,
[21:54] Speaker 2: right and last week aside. They've had an amazing season
[21:57] Speaker 2: where they've over they've probably exceeded expectations. A lot of
[22:03] Speaker 2: people gave them wouldn't chance, the wouldn't spoon. They proved
[22:06] Speaker 2: everyone wrong. Do you look back at their season now
[22:10] Speaker 2: and think that potentially, I don't want to say they
[22:14] Speaker 2: played their grand final during the year to get to
[22:16] Speaker 2: the minor premiership, but do you think they put so
[22:20] Speaker 2: much emphasis all year on proving people wrong because they
[22:24] Speaker 2: so many people said the Wooden spoon and shit that
[22:27] Speaker 2: when they got to Finals footy, it was like they
[22:29] Speaker 2: were fatigued from just such a larger year.
[22:33] Speaker 1: I just think I think what popped the blurm on
[22:38] Speaker 1: their season was that was that last forty and it's
[22:41] Speaker 1: a regular time against the Broncos. Because they were playing
[22:45] Speaker 1: great football there, you know, it wasn't as they went
[22:47] Speaker 1: into their game and suddenly you know, they were terrible,
[22:51] Speaker 1: and you know, and you know, they basically cut their
[22:53] Speaker 1: own throats in the game. Their biggest crime was there
[22:55] Speaker 1: they just stopped playing and they didn't. I'm not going
[23:00] Speaker 1: to say did they learn their lesson? Well, it's hard
[23:02] Speaker 1: to know because they weren't in that position again. They'll
[23:04] Speaker 1: learn their lesson going forward. This final series would be
[23:08] Speaker 1: fantastic for some of those young blokes, as like, it
[23:10] Speaker 1: hurts like hell now, but as far as experience and
[23:13] Speaker 1: knowing what to do next, it's going to be invaluable.
[23:16] Speaker 1: A couple of things for aside that was had such
[23:19] Speaker 1: an incredible regular season, they lost their last three games.
[23:23] Speaker 1: I wonder sometimes with Ricky, I wonder if I wonder
[23:26] Speaker 1: if he regrets resting all those blokes that last game
[23:29] Speaker 1: against Dolphins, because you know, because okay, they had they
[23:35] Speaker 1: had had all the young guys in with Corey Halls
[23:39] Speaker 1: were one or two other guys, but it was all
[23:41] Speaker 1: the young guys. They rested all their stars, and you go, okay,
[23:43] Speaker 1: you know, you take their willing to take a loss.
[23:46] Speaker 1: But at the time, I was watching Ricky on the sideline,
[23:50] Speaker 1: you know, when we went past fifty points on the
[23:52] Speaker 1: school board, I'm thinking, I know all these stars aren't
[23:55] Speaker 1: out there, but is this just causing a little bit
[23:58] Speaker 1: of damage, you know what I mean to.
[24:00] Speaker 2: Psyche to the momentum at the moment.
[24:03] Speaker 1: Then they went in the week after and they get
[24:04] Speaker 1: beat by the Broncos, and it's a really funny thing. Coops.
[24:09] Speaker 1: You know, there's so many things as far as timing,
[24:11] Speaker 1: concern timing, as far as injuries, playing your best football,
[24:16] Speaker 1: but also mate, you know yourself, sometimes you get to
[24:18] Speaker 1: the end of a year and you can be playing
[24:20] Speaker 1: great for whatever reason, just for two gets in everyone's bones.
[24:24] Speaker 1: Did you get that?
[24:26] Speaker 2: I agree?
[24:26] Speaker 1: I agree.
[24:28] Speaker 2: We were in a like this is comparing to Queensland
[24:31] Speaker 2: Cup level here, so you know's bear with me, but
[24:34] Speaker 2: we were in the same position a queens and Cut
[24:36] Speaker 2: where we won the minor premiership. At the Falcons, we
[24:38] Speaker 2: had red outside, but we went sort of we lost
[24:43] Speaker 2: our last game leading into finals, and then we lost
[24:46] Speaker 2: week one of finals. Jade managed to get our way
[24:49] Speaker 2: to prelim and then got beat again. Like we we
[24:52] Speaker 2: lost one game all year and then the last and
[24:56] Speaker 2: then two games in finals. Right yeah, yeah, so that was,
[24:59] Speaker 2: you know, a little bit different to Raiders. But I
[25:02] Speaker 2: found that and chatting to a few of the boys
[25:04] Speaker 2: in that side upon reviewing it, it was, like you said,
[25:08] Speaker 2: timing and peaking at the right time. I think we
[25:10] Speaker 2: peaked sort of when other teams were a bit down.
[25:15] Speaker 2: And when you're at the when you're at the top
[25:19] Speaker 2: during the year, it's very hard to get better. It's
[25:22] Speaker 2: very hard to review yourself and get better. I think
[25:24] Speaker 2: this is where the Raid and I was. I sort
[25:27] Speaker 2: of said it leading the finals for the Raiders, I
[25:29] Speaker 2: didn't know if they had another year in finals, right
[25:32] Speaker 2: because all the other teams who finished below them, they're
[25:35] Speaker 2: reviewing them, they're taking aspects of their game and they're
[25:38] Speaker 2: making sure that they get better and they're peaking into finals.
[25:42] Speaker 2: But I didn't think, you know, like when you peak
[25:45] Speaker 2: during the year, how you know and get better, if
[25:49] Speaker 2: that makes.
[25:49] Speaker 1: Sense, It's very hard to sustainable year. We were a
[25:52] Speaker 1: similar thing in ninety eight. In ninety eight we were
[25:54] Speaker 1: joint Minor Premiers with the Broncos. But I started recognizing
[25:57] Speaker 1: that the back end of that regular season, I think
[26:00] Speaker 1: picking up injuries. You know, it wasn't the same zest training.
[26:04] Speaker 1: Everyone's getting a bit tied and we get zest, you know,
[26:08] Speaker 1: zest for laugh, zes for training. And we went in
[26:12] Speaker 1: the first week at the finals. We had the first
[26:13] Speaker 1: week off, sorry because US and the Broncos played the
[26:17] Speaker 1: second week against the Roosters. We've bitten him sixteen all
[26:19] Speaker 1: at half time and they burat us at home first
[26:23] Speaker 1: week the final. So we're to play the Dogs the
[26:25] Speaker 1: next week the Sydney Football Stadium. Guess what happens. We're
[26:27] Speaker 1: leading the Dogs eighteen points at halftime. Guess what. They
[26:30] Speaker 1: run us down and boat us extra time. It was
[26:33] Speaker 1: like we just whether it be mental or physical, we
[26:37] Speaker 1: just hit the wall. We just hit the wall at
[26:38] Speaker 1: the wrong time. I think Ricky, I think Ricky in
[26:41] Speaker 1: time will look back at this season with so much
[26:44] Speaker 1: with a lot of joy, and you know, for him
[26:46] Speaker 1: it was it was a great season. I think it's
[26:48] Speaker 1: his best ever coaching season. And I think he looks
[26:51] Speaker 1: back at that when he looks back at the run
[26:53] Speaker 1: that the players had, the way that young guys have
[26:55] Speaker 1: come on, the re emergence of the Green Machine, the
[26:58] Speaker 1: home crowd, the way the community behind them, and the
[27:01] Speaker 1: other thing seeing your son come into the team and
[27:05] Speaker 1: excel like like okay, sometimes there's more to it than
[27:09] Speaker 1: just trophies. And I think as much as if you're
[27:12] Speaker 1: hurting right now, I think in time, you'll look back
[27:14] Speaker 1: at this season be really proud.
[27:15] Speaker 2: Do you think he gets daim Coach of the Year.
[27:16] Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah I.
[27:17] Speaker 1: Do, I do. I do. Let's tell what we're going
[27:20] Speaker 1: to do now, coops, we are I'm about to go
[27:22] Speaker 1: into work right of course, it's about to be the
[27:26] Speaker 1: Panthers up against the dogs. I believe it full time.
[27:28] Speaker 1: You guys are going to give me a call.
[27:30] Speaker 2: Yes, because you know we usually last week you come
[27:34] Speaker 2: home after and we film after the show. But you're
[27:35] Speaker 2: going out for dinner with Fletch and whatnot.
[27:37] Speaker 1: We fletching the boys. Yeah, so I'll trist said to
[27:40] Speaker 1: me what time to expect me? Will you be late?
[27:43] Speaker 1: So I said, defined late and she said late is anything?
[27:49] Speaker 1: Say around past midnight, about one o'clock And I said,
[27:53] Speaker 1: I'll be lateish.
[27:54] Speaker 2: See if you can do one not me?
[27:56] Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think seven am. No, No, those days
[27:59] Speaker 1: are long, long behind me. All that ha. A bit
[28:01] Speaker 1: a month ago, I got home as you were going
[28:02] Speaker 1: to work so full thirty. Who knows. Let's do it again, brother, Let's.
[28:05] Speaker 2: Run it back. I'll speak to you soon, boys, and
[28:09] Speaker 2: welcome back to the same episode. We're back once again
[28:13] Speaker 2: this morning. We obviously got up early to review the
[28:17] Speaker 2: Canberra versus Who do Cambra play? Yesterday?
[28:19] Speaker 3: Jack Sharky?
[28:20] Speaker 2: They played the Sharkies. We got up early to review that.
[28:23] Speaker 2: To the listeners who are still listening to this episode,
[28:27] Speaker 2: I want to apologize. I had and a lot of
[28:31] Speaker 2: people resonate with this. I was very hungover and I
[28:34] Speaker 2: could not articulate a sentence together, let alone. I knew
[28:38] Speaker 2: what I wanted to say, Jack, but it just couldn't
[28:41] Speaker 2: go from my brain to my mouth. Do you think
[28:42] Speaker 2: that's fair?
[28:43] Speaker 3: Yeah, I just had to look at it before. You
[28:44] Speaker 3: don't look well, it looks like you just got up
[28:47] Speaker 3: out of bed.
[28:47] Speaker 2: To be fair, I had, I'd had a couple of
[28:49] Speaker 2: hours sleep and then obviously we had to do it
[28:51] Speaker 2: before Dad headed into studio to watch the game in there.
[28:55] Speaker 2: I have rested since, so you should see a more
[28:59] Speaker 2: well hydrated, more articulate version of me. But Jack and
[29:02] Speaker 2: I have sat down. We just watched the Penrith Verse
[29:04] Speaker 2: Bulldogs game. Just first, Jack off the top two mad
[29:08] Speaker 2: fan bases. How good was the atmosphere out there? And
[29:11] Speaker 2: did you see the videos of the Bulldogs walking from
[29:14] Speaker 2: their hotel to the stadium as well?
[29:16] Speaker 3: Yeah, it was unreal. Just to let people know too,
[29:19] Speaker 3: we've got Matthew ringing in soon in any minute. But yeah,
[29:23] Speaker 3: it looked incredible the crowd, especially when Galvin scored that
[29:26] Speaker 3: try just sort of bring him closer to the Penrith
[29:28] Speaker 3: Panthers after they got away with a good start. Geez,
[29:32] Speaker 3: it looked like the crowd was going off out there.
[29:34] Speaker 2: Yeah, those Doggies fans are there. I mean, obviously they
[29:38] Speaker 2: hung in there right until the end of the fans
[29:40] Speaker 2: because imagine would have been pretty hard. They would have
[29:42] Speaker 2: wanted to leave quite early, but they were so vocal
[29:46] Speaker 2: the whole time, and it actually makes you want to
[29:48] Speaker 2: play for the Dogs in that sense. I reckon. Yeah,
[29:52] Speaker 2: they've got such a sick fan base.
[29:53] Speaker 3: They do, and they look like they're a fan base
[29:56] Speaker 3: much like the Newcastle supporters. They look like they really
[29:59] Speaker 3: enjoy watching them team, you know, do effort things, not
[30:02] Speaker 3: just do like the you know, spontaneous, great attacking stuff.
[30:05] Speaker 3: They love watching their team, you know, Bash do the
[30:09] Speaker 3: nitty gritty stuff. You know, players like Salmon men, Salmon, Salmon, Salmon,
[30:14] Speaker 3: the gutter dog. He's become slowly my favorite player, some
[30:18] Speaker 3: of that sort of stuff. Like you can see their
[30:19] Speaker 3: fans really they enjoy watching it. They like that style
[30:23] Speaker 3: of football, which is actually really good to see the
[30:25] Speaker 3: energy resonate off the fans.
[30:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, and and just quietly as well. Obviously Penrith are
[30:30] Speaker 2: too good today. They were unbelievable, probably one of the
[30:33] Speaker 2: one of their I think it was their best performance
[30:35] Speaker 2: of the whole year so far. They're peaking right at
[30:37] Speaker 2: the right time. But we do have a new addition
[30:40] Speaker 2: to the studio here. We've got a picture that Jack
[30:42] Speaker 2: has found. It is the Canniby Bulldogs twenty four team.
[30:46] Speaker 3: I believe Jack, Yeah, you would have seen it in
[30:47] Speaker 3: the first part, it would have been in the back corner. Actually,
[30:50] Speaker 3: I'll blow it up for yours so you can see
[30:52] Speaker 3: it in the YouTube. But it's a photo photo is it?
[30:55] Speaker 3: Two thousand and four?
[30:56] Speaker 2: I believe photo.
[30:57] Speaker 3: You're all the old boys in there, and then in
[30:59] Speaker 3: the left corner you've got Reggie Boy and there should
[31:01] Speaker 3: be a little like if you if you see it,
[31:03] Speaker 3: I'll blow it up for you. It should say middle
[31:06] Speaker 3: row on the left, Red Reagan in brackets Motivational Health
[31:10] Speaker 3: and Fitness coordinator. So that was Actually that's a fair
[31:13] Speaker 3: bit of a laugh for the dogs back in the
[31:15] Speaker 3: day because I thought teams took things a bit more
[31:17] Speaker 3: serious when it comes to those big games.
[31:18] Speaker 2: I don't reckon they did because I remember Dad, don't
[31:22] Speaker 2: Dad had so much access as Red Reagan to a
[31:25] Speaker 2: lot of teams in a sanctum. I feel like we
[31:27] Speaker 2: just said it around.
[31:28] Speaker 3: You would just say that reg had more access than Matthew.
[31:31] Speaker 1: Yeah.
[31:31] Speaker 2: But I think because they knew they weren't going to
[31:35] Speaker 2: like how do I put this, They weren't going.
[31:37] Speaker 3: To get grilled.
[31:38] Speaker 2: They weren't going to get grilled Like you see people,
[31:40] Speaker 2: they're very protective of the inner sanctum now, like you
[31:43] Speaker 2: don't really see too much of you know, like your
[31:46] Speaker 2: Red Wagan's whether he was one of a kind, there's
[31:48] Speaker 2: not many of him getting around. But you don't really
[31:50] Speaker 2: see those kind of people getting in and around finals
[31:54] Speaker 2: time in the clubs and doing stuff with players and
[31:56] Speaker 2: coaches and shit like they were back then.
[31:58] Speaker 3: Yeah, teams get very sick now too. I even remember
[32:01] Speaker 3: the year after I think we were kids when Dad
[32:03] Speaker 3: was doing stuff with the Tigers. Remember we went to
[32:05] Speaker 3: the captain's run for the Grand Final against the Cowboys
[32:07] Speaker 3: and they got all paranoid when a was it a
[32:10] Speaker 3: helicopter or a plane went over the stadium when they
[32:12] Speaker 3: were doing their captains run and they were freaking out.
[32:15] Speaker 2: Yeah they did. We're about to get into the Panrith
[32:18] Speaker 2: first Bulldogs game are But are the stat that I
[32:21] Speaker 2: heard the other day Nathan Cleary has not lost a
[32:24] Speaker 2: day game since twenty nineteen.
[32:26] Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how many that would be. I
[32:28] Speaker 3: know they've played. They've just won eight in a row
[32:31] Speaker 3: so this year, so there's eight, so you only get
[32:34] Speaker 3: so many. They might have gone on. They might have
[32:36] Speaker 3: gone on a pretty low run and they're a pretty
[32:38] Speaker 3: good attacking team they like today. How good was their
[32:41] Speaker 3: completion rate early? Like they were relentless, Like they didn't
[32:44] Speaker 3: give They just looked like they absolutely suffocated the Dogs,
[32:48] Speaker 3: even though the Dogs got the first points on the
[32:50] Speaker 3: board in that first twenty minutes, it was Yeah, it
[32:52] Speaker 3: was pretty relentless.
[32:53] Speaker 2: Yeah, like that first ten minutes. I didn't think the
[32:57] Speaker 2: Dogs did too much wrong. I thought they were unbelievably
[33:00] Speaker 2: physically they were all over I thought they were actually
[33:03] Speaker 2: really all over Penrith at the start. Do you feel
[33:05] Speaker 2: that as well, particularly like that first set, And we
[33:09] Speaker 2: said this last week they did the same thing against Melbourne.
[33:11] Speaker 2: They come out of the blocks firing, firing, and then
[33:13] Speaker 2: Melbourne kind of absorbed that pressure and counterpunched with after
[33:17] Speaker 2: fifteen minutes when they really took the sting out of Bulldogs.
[33:20] Speaker 2: But the Bulldogs what I love what they did this
[33:23] Speaker 2: week was that first Kickchase. They had a huge Kickchase
[33:27] Speaker 2: did a number on the back three of Penrith. Nathan
[33:29] Speaker 2: goes to kick and then Villie Arma kickow flies out
[33:32] Speaker 2: of the line, kick pressures knocks it down. They get
[33:34] Speaker 2: a penalty to take the two because Dylan Edwards holds him,
[33:38] Speaker 2: but that's how you need to take on Penrith. We've
[33:40] Speaker 2: said this before. It's like they want if you try
[33:44] Speaker 2: to replicate how they try to play and do you know,
[33:48] Speaker 2: like just try to kick pressure, just do do the
[33:50] Speaker 2: same cycles that they do and just try to build
[33:53] Speaker 2: pressure and beat them in the back end of the game.
[33:54] Speaker 2: You're not going to beat them because they're too good
[33:55] Speaker 2: at it. Yeah, that's where you get the upper hand
[33:58] Speaker 2: like that, like little trick play like William kick coming
[34:02] Speaker 2: out and trying to do a charge down.
[34:04] Speaker 3: Yeah, incredited kick out too. You could tell from the
[34:07] Speaker 3: get go, even from running out as as captain of
[34:09] Speaker 3: the game, you could see he was up for it.
[34:11] Speaker 3: And even like last ten minutes, last five minutes of
[34:14] Speaker 3: the game when he tackled Liam Martin, he was tackling
[34:16] Speaker 3: that aggressively. You could see that he definitely wasn't going
[34:19] Speaker 3: to die die guessing like he was doing his best
[34:23] Speaker 3: there to try and change the momentum for the for
[34:26] Speaker 3: the Doggies pack.
[34:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know what, let's quickly just talk about
[34:30] Speaker 2: what we thought the Dogs did wrong, because like we said,
[34:32] Speaker 2: that start was really good physically, Yeah, what I think
[34:35] Speaker 2: they didn't do enough of and they started to do
[34:37] Speaker 2: it towards the back into the game, but it was
[34:39] Speaker 2: too late. I love when they shift out of their
[34:42] Speaker 2: own end a little bit because that first set they
[34:45] Speaker 2: went boom shift and I found Berdo on the left
[34:48] Speaker 2: hand side who made sort of a half dint. They
[34:50] Speaker 2: looked really fast, played really quick. When fatigue started to
[34:53] Speaker 2: get in, they just like, and I get it happens
[34:56] Speaker 2: because you don't have as many numbers coming back on
[34:58] Speaker 2: the kick chase. But they just went into their shell
[35:00] Speaker 2: and just sort of went Carras up, Brons and Cherry
[35:03] Speaker 2: up just to send people one up, which is still
[35:05] Speaker 2: a good play. They got good ball runners. But when
[35:07] Speaker 2: they started to shift out of that midfield, and you
[35:10] Speaker 2: saw it when Galvin scored, he went down the short side,
[35:13] Speaker 2: little no look short past Jacob Preston, he goes through
[35:16] Speaker 2: Fines Galvin back on the inside. They weren't playing any
[35:20] Speaker 2: footy out of their own end. They were almost just
[35:22] Speaker 2: trying to get one up, one up, one up. And
[35:24] Speaker 2: when you try to do that against Penrith, Penrith are
[35:27] Speaker 2: they're probably they're probably the smartest football side in identifying
[35:32] Speaker 2: what you're doing, so they can pressed right up a
[35:35] Speaker 2: lot of the time. They put about four people into
[35:38] Speaker 2: a lot of the tackles and just drive you back.
[35:40] Speaker 3: What even I'd even say, like what you were saying earlier,
[35:42] Speaker 3: where where with the Doggies they should have expanded a
[35:45] Speaker 3: bit more. Was Penrith were that relentless like you were
[35:47] Speaker 3: saying identifying I look at that and I thought to myself,
[35:50] Speaker 3: more disciplined, Like they were so disciplined with what they
[35:53] Speaker 3: probably game planned against the Dogs, Like I was watching
[35:57] Speaker 3: out of their end when they were defending after a
[36:01] Speaker 3: kick chase. They were that compressed, like they'd obviously game
[36:04] Speaker 3: planned what the Doggies do. And they've got good outside
[36:06] Speaker 3: backs and not huge blokes, but they run hard, straight
[36:10] Speaker 3: inside a that they just tightened right up. And I
[36:13] Speaker 3: don't think Penrith even let a yardage penalty out until
[36:17] Speaker 3: like the late thirtieth minute, So they spent that first
[36:19] Speaker 3: thirty not making a single error in their defense pretty
[36:23] Speaker 3: much in those tough areas that it just suffocated the Doggies.
[36:26] Speaker 3: I do agree that they probably needed to maybe on
[36:28] Speaker 3: that third tackle shifted a bit more. But then in
[36:31] Speaker 3: the the late of that half, after that penalty, I
[36:33] Speaker 3: remember Kurt Man got it and they were. It might've
[36:36] Speaker 3: been early in the second half Kurt Man got it
[36:38] Speaker 3: and they actually tried to do that, and then whoever
[36:41] Speaker 3: the Taalangy Tallangy's defense was relentless all the game. He
[36:45] Speaker 3: kept jamming in like he got Galvin early, then he
[36:47] Speaker 3: got Burdo. Yeah, yeah, he got Burdo. He just made
[36:51] Speaker 3: like two and forced two errors, forced a pass that
[36:54] Speaker 3: shouldn't have been a pass, and then forced an er
[36:57] Speaker 3: off Burdo. I think it just rattled them earlier in
[36:59] Speaker 3: those early stages.
[37:00] Speaker 2: I agree, and like I'm nitpicking there what the Dogs
[37:04] Speaker 2: could have done or could have kept doing as they
[37:06] Speaker 2: started to try to keep putting more pressure on Penrith.
[37:09] Speaker 2: But I think Penrith beat everyone in the top eight
[37:13] Speaker 2: with how they played today. I thought they were unbelievable,
[37:16] Speaker 2: Like you said, with their defense, they were so aggressive.
[37:20] Speaker 2: I didn't think the Dogs their edges. I didn't think
[37:22] Speaker 2: they were aggressive enough on Penrith. They gave them a
[37:24] Speaker 2: lot of time and you saw a lot of their
[37:26] Speaker 2: tries come off sort of late jams, and then they
[37:29] Speaker 2: got quick hands to Alamodi and Bryan to but t'lungy
[37:32] Speaker 2: really set the standard. I love what he did over
[37:36] Speaker 2: Galvin and Berdo and when they identified the shape, he
[37:39] Speaker 2: gets up gets aggressive force. Two big errors. But I
[37:42] Speaker 2: want to talk to about the penrith first try. I
[37:44] Speaker 2: believe it was and I thought it was. If you
[37:49] Speaker 2: go back to this first try, the first shape that
[37:51] Speaker 2: they run to the right hand side, Nathan goes to
[37:53] Speaker 2: the line, plays out the back they have and they
[37:56] Speaker 2: did it all day. We just said they're set up
[37:59] Speaker 2: on shape was second to none. I don't think I've
[38:02] Speaker 2: watched attacking shades being run with such perfection and precision. Yeah, ever,
[38:09] Speaker 2: as like that, that is an example that every team
[38:11] Speaker 2: and every coach should take.
[38:12] Speaker 3: You could even see like Shane Elford, their their blue
[38:15] Speaker 3: shirt that was out there they go. He got trouble,
[38:17] Speaker 3: got in trouble earlier in the year. Every time the
[38:20] Speaker 3: ball got to the center, he had his hand up
[38:22] Speaker 3: and was just cheering as if they'd already scored the try.
[38:24] Speaker 3: It's like he's watched it all week at training. I
[38:27] Speaker 3: bet he's just watched them consistently do it day in
[38:30] Speaker 3: day out that he knew by the time he got
[38:31] Speaker 3: to that stage where the winger was open and all
[38:34] Speaker 3: they needed to do was pin their ears back.
[38:35] Speaker 2: He knew it was going to be a try and
[38:37] Speaker 2: it's such simple fundamentals, but they do it so well,
[38:40] Speaker 2: and under fatigue and under pressure when you have people
[38:44] Speaker 2: flying out like they just so calm. Casey McLean had
[38:47] Speaker 2: a couple of really nice quick hands to Brian to
[38:50] Speaker 2: and even when he's he didn't really get a clean catch,
[38:53] Speaker 2: but still gets to pass away.
[38:54] Speaker 3: Yeah, that was the one that he got. He got
[38:56] Speaker 3: some he got some balls behind his right shoulder and
[39:00] Speaker 3: around that quick and somehow got the ball to toe
[39:02] Speaker 3: just to just to let him just do his job
[39:04] Speaker 3: and then pin the years back and you're what I
[39:06] Speaker 3: was like, when you give him an inn, she takes
[39:07] Speaker 3: a mile like he's a great finisher like Alamodi.
[39:10] Speaker 2: Catching and passing. It's like it it's such an easy
[39:13] Speaker 2: thing to say, but unless you unless you've like played
[39:18] Speaker 2: a lot of football and trained day to day, you
[39:22] Speaker 2: don't understand how much of a difference. And even people
[39:24] Speaker 2: at the highest level they can't do it that well.
[39:27] Speaker 2: Like you actually don't realize how many people don't. Aren't
[39:30] Speaker 2: aren't you know, detailed, unfatigued with their passing and then
[39:33] Speaker 2: getting a clean catch. Pendrith do it so well, they're
[39:36] Speaker 2: a couple of their shapes too, were just so nice,
[39:38] Speaker 2: like clearly finding yo in the middle. They had a
[39:40] Speaker 2: lot of real short precision passing, just putting putting people
[39:44] Speaker 2: one on one, Like I thought it was so nice,
[39:46] Speaker 2: and then yeah, I was.
[39:47] Speaker 3: Going to say on that, like on those detail things
[39:50] Speaker 3: for the average partter like they might think. You know,
[39:52] Speaker 3: as an NL player, their job is to you know,
[39:55] Speaker 3: their job is to be great at attacking. A lot
[39:58] Speaker 3: of the reasons a lot of these guys as good
[40:00] Speaker 3: at those little details when they get to NROL levels
[40:03] Speaker 3: because they were so good at it growing up. A
[40:05] Speaker 3: lot of their work in the week to week goes
[40:07] Speaker 3: to the other side of their game, which is the defense.
[40:09] Speaker 3: Some players are taught week in week out that they're
[40:12] Speaker 3: not going to play unless they do their defense. And
[40:14] Speaker 3: sometimes what they can do is they can make their
[40:15] Speaker 3: attack quite scrappy and then you see it. I remember
[40:19] Speaker 3: a couple of years back in twenty twenty one when
[40:20] Speaker 3: we were living with the Panthers and during their period
[40:25] Speaker 3: of their finals campaign up there at Twin Waters during
[40:28] Speaker 3: the COVID year, people were watching the all the coaches
[40:30] Speaker 3: from all the other clubs were like spying on their
[40:32] Speaker 3: training sessions, trying to get a gauge of what they
[40:35] Speaker 3: were doing because they were just so dominant that year.
[40:37] Speaker 3: They reckon. They weren't doing anything like other than the
[40:40] Speaker 3: usual doing what you do in pre season, which is
[40:42] Speaker 3: just doing the basics skills skills skills, getting them that
[40:45] Speaker 3: crisp and then like Shane Elford was doing, he knew
[40:48] Speaker 3: as soon as that ball went out to the center.
[40:49] Speaker 3: It's like he knew every time it was going to
[40:52] Speaker 3: be a try.
[40:52] Speaker 2: Yeah, but you did. Like so many clubs in the
[40:54] Speaker 2: NROL don't actually practice the fundamentals because they've got so
[40:57] Speaker 2: much other shit to worry about, Like they might be
[41:00] Speaker 2: worrying about their defense or you know, like the bottom
[41:02] Speaker 2: eight clubs, right, they've got so much stuff to worry about.
[41:06] Speaker 2: You know, they might get a new coach so that
[41:08] Speaker 2: he comes in with a whole new game plan, trying
[41:10] Speaker 2: to teach people moves and a new strategy with their
[41:13] Speaker 2: attack and defense. Then that's what they drill in the preseason.
[41:16] Speaker 2: The beauty of clubs like Penrith, clubs like probably the
[41:20] Speaker 2: Roosters because they've had a consistent coach and Melbourne is
[41:23] Speaker 2: they've got a system that they've had for a decade.
[41:26] Speaker 2: They don't need to change too much. So Penrith, when
[41:28] Speaker 2: those boys come back for preseason, all Ivan and that
[41:31] Speaker 2: have to worry about is getting them fit and then
[41:34] Speaker 2: getting the fundamentals of the game. Their skill. You know,
[41:38] Speaker 2: they're one on one tackling, just very simple things. He
[41:42] Speaker 2: just trains that into them all preseasons so that like
[41:45] Speaker 2: their detail on those little things are so perfect.
[41:48] Speaker 3: Even like a shift, Like they're so consistent every time
[41:50] Speaker 3: they get to a final series, little things like their
[41:52] Speaker 3: discipline in those yardish defensive sets where they're all compressed.
[41:56] Speaker 3: Sometimes some coaches go into those big games and they
[41:58] Speaker 3: think they need to spend half a session drilling it
[42:00] Speaker 3: into players, and what that does is it actually takes
[42:03] Speaker 3: away from the details of their skill, their core skills
[42:06] Speaker 3: and those major things. It's almost like trying to fix
[42:09] Speaker 3: a hole in the boat, but at the same time
[42:11] Speaker 3: another hole is popping up, you know what I mean, Like, yeah,
[42:14] Speaker 3: you're hemorrhaging, hemorrhaging, hemorrhaging.
[42:17] Speaker 2: I felt that Like when I was at Manly, I
[42:21] Speaker 2: used to say the same thing. It was like, oh,
[42:23] Speaker 2: there's so many problems, like whether they off field or
[42:26] Speaker 2: on field. It was like, you've got one band aid?
[42:30] Speaker 2: What do you what do you fucking put it on?
[42:32] Speaker 2: You know what I mean, you're just bleeding out like
[42:35] Speaker 2: you may as well just you know, just abandoned ship.
[42:38] Speaker 3: Well, you you've got two centers on the field. One
[42:40] Speaker 3: center might be having really a problem all week with
[42:42] Speaker 3: this like catch pass, and the other center might be
[42:45] Speaker 3: having a problem with their edge defense. So you know,
[42:48] Speaker 3: you could either train them separately, but a lot of
[42:50] Speaker 3: the time they're going to train opposite each other all
[42:52] Speaker 3: all week long. So what do you focus on one
[42:54] Speaker 3: you're training in one session, you're telling him to focus
[42:56] Speaker 3: on one part of the game. The other one sitting
[42:58] Speaker 3: there listening overhearing it, probably thinking about that rather than
[43:01] Speaker 3: he's supposed to be worrying about his own deficiencies.
[43:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought Nathan Cleary was unbelievable today, kicked a
[43:07] Speaker 2: nice forty twenty. But it's just his organization what he
[43:11] Speaker 2: was doing off the ball. You could see he was
[43:13] Speaker 2: just so on today, how straight detail and all the shape.
[43:17] Speaker 2: And we were talking while the game was playing. When
[43:19] Speaker 2: they scored that first try, bryn To own that left corner,
[43:23] Speaker 2: nice shift to the right. It gets fifth tackle, and
[43:25] Speaker 2: we've seen Nathan do this trend to a fair bit
[43:27] Speaker 2: lately Jack where on the fifth tackle he'll sort of
[43:31] Speaker 2: shape to kick and then just throw it like a
[43:34] Speaker 2: sort of a three man cut out ball to one
[43:36] Speaker 2: of his rock forwards. We saw I think last week
[43:40] Speaker 2: he threw it and the rock forward actually just went
[43:42] Speaker 2: straight over and scored. This time, he sort of missed it,
[43:46] Speaker 2: sort of hit the ground. Lindsay Smith picked it up,
[43:48] Speaker 2: found Casey McClain, Casey McLain, finds Brian Totto. But he's
[43:52] Speaker 2: obviously seen a trend in the NRL where if on
[43:55] Speaker 2: fifth tackle, obviously that the edges might not really get
[43:59] Speaker 2: up because they're folding for the kick. They're preparing for
[44:02] Speaker 2: a kick. So he's I love what he's been doing
[44:04] Speaker 2: with it lately, messing with defense because you see it's
[44:08] Speaker 2: it was such an easy try for him.
[44:10] Speaker 3: Well a lot of the time to like you think
[44:13] Speaker 3: when you're doing a setup like that, he's like a
[44:15] Speaker 3: lot of the defenders I think they were thinking, either
[44:18] Speaker 3: he's gonna knock it back behind him with all those
[44:21] Speaker 3: lead runners in front of him, all he's going to
[44:22] Speaker 3: try and do a cross kick. I don't even think
[44:24] Speaker 3: when he grabbed got in his hands, not once did
[44:26] Speaker 3: he even look like kicking like he it was almost
[44:28] Speaker 3: like he preempted that he's going to be passing the
[44:30] Speaker 3: ball regardless of you know, what the defense does. It
[44:34] Speaker 3: was Yeah, Yeah, it was pretty It's working for him
[44:37] Speaker 3: at the moment because it's led to two tries two
[44:38] Speaker 3: weeks in a row.
[44:39] Speaker 2: Yeah, I thought it was a masterclass. Do you have
[44:41] Speaker 2: a back fence player of the game.
[44:43] Speaker 3: My back fence player probably The battle between kick Out
[44:47] Speaker 3: and Liam Martin was pretty savage all game. I think
[44:50] Speaker 3: Liam Martin got the better of him, but he did
[44:52] Speaker 3: a few little things. Liam Martin some of his kickchase efforts,
[44:55] Speaker 3: like relentless every time that ball goes up, they were kicking.
[44:58] Speaker 3: Nathan was kicking that right corner all game. He never
[45:01] Speaker 3: gave Connor Tracy or who was the left edge the
[45:04] Speaker 3: jeath throw Jethrow. He never gave him an inch like
[45:07] Speaker 3: he was that solid all day with his kick chase.
[45:09] Speaker 3: It was just suffocated him.
[45:11] Speaker 2: Yeah, I had I was going to go Nathan Cleary,
[45:13] Speaker 2: but I'm going the I'm going the two and five
[45:16] Speaker 2: for penrith Ala Moddi and Brian to Yeah, I think
[45:18] Speaker 2: they both ran over two hundred meters, but yeah, both
[45:22] Speaker 2: unbelievable there. I didn't see them jack yet put on
[45:25] Speaker 2: their back once out of the backfield. The work that
[45:27] Speaker 2: they do for their forwards and for Nathan get starting
[45:31] Speaker 2: the sets off, well, it must be a pleasure to
[45:34] Speaker 2: play behind those two.
[45:36] Speaker 3: I had a mate message with me through the game.
[45:37] Speaker 3: Go jeez, I didn't realize, you know, when he took
[45:39] Speaker 3: that intercept, Brian toh, yeah, he goes, I didn't realize
[45:41] Speaker 3: how slow it was. Yeah, because he's done that much work.
[45:44] Speaker 3: He just that's him ticking over two hundred meters with
[45:46] Speaker 3: like thirty minutes left to go on the game, Like
[45:48] Speaker 3: he does that much off the ball. But again he's
[45:51] Speaker 3: like he's bread and butter is what he does out
[45:53] Speaker 3: of yardage. He never gets put on his back, No, never,
[45:55] Speaker 3: Like he's one of the hardest blokes. He's low to
[45:57] Speaker 3: the ground and he's just one of the hardest blokes
[45:59] Speaker 3: to get on his back. I think Alamotti got him
[46:01] Speaker 3: by about thirty or forty meters in the end.
[46:03] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't only got a hat trick as well. Yeah,
[46:05] Speaker 2: and you know I was I was critical. I'm not
[46:09] Speaker 2: critical but I questioned the decision to drop Tom Jenkins, yeah,
[46:12] Speaker 2: two weeks ago, because I thought he'd been one of
[46:14] Speaker 2: the most consistent players all year. And obviously I haven't
[46:17] Speaker 2: put Paul Alamolly in, who's played a lot of finals,
[46:20] Speaker 2: scored two tries some of the Grand Final last year. Honestly,
[46:23] Speaker 2: in the two weeks that he's been back in the
[46:25] Speaker 2: NRL side after being eighteenth man most of the back
[46:27] Speaker 2: end of the year, he's been unbelievable.
[46:29] Speaker 3: You'd love to know. You'd love to live in Ivan's
[46:31] Speaker 3: head and just go what on earth? Like is it
[46:34] Speaker 3: a personality thing or is it a type of player thing,
[46:37] Speaker 3: because there's must be something there that he knows Alamotti
[46:40] Speaker 3: shows up for big games because he's had some massive
[46:43] Speaker 3: moments for that club, especially in the last two years
[46:45] Speaker 3: in big games. That three tries today and then what
[46:48] Speaker 3: did he get two last week against the Wise? Yeah,
[46:50] Speaker 3: like he has to have something that Ivan goes. I
[46:52] Speaker 3: know he's a big game player, but I'd just love
[46:54] Speaker 3: to know if it's personality or skill set.
[46:58] Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know
[47:01] Speaker 2: the answers.
[47:02] Speaker 3: He's a hell of a finisher, but like every time
[47:03] Speaker 3: he gets it, he backs himself.
[47:05] Speaker 2: Hell of a finisher and he's got a little bit
[47:07] Speaker 2: of swagger too. You said up there that he was
[47:10] Speaker 2: built like a Transformer.
[47:11] Speaker 3: Yeah, then the Transformers one, the one that's the Porsche
[47:14] Speaker 3: who gets up and he's like got like really high
[47:16] Speaker 3: on his toe. That's the one he reminds me of.
[47:18] Speaker 4: Yeah.
[47:18] Speaker 2: He's bloody built, bloody built, and you know what, I
[47:22] Speaker 2: haven't had much to do with him, but I reckon
[47:24] Speaker 2: he looks like a half decent bloke as well.
[47:26] Speaker 3: I love to view with him.
[47:27] Speaker 2: Yeah, I reckon.
[47:27] Speaker 4: Uh.
[47:28] Speaker 2: And we're going to ring Matthew as well, just to
[47:30] Speaker 2: get his thoughts on the game before we wrap up
[47:32] Speaker 2: the podcast groups. Maddie, Johnsy Hell are you brother, mate,
[47:37] Speaker 2: We're alive on the on the program. Thanks for joining us.
[47:40] Speaker 5: We live, no problem, mate. We're just thinking of the game.
[47:44] Speaker 2: Mate, Me and Jack. We've we've just talked about it
[47:46] Speaker 2: for about twenty minutes, mate, So that'd be interesting. That's
[47:52] Speaker 2: pretty low comment, mate, talk about because essentially essentially our
[47:56] Speaker 2: knowledge has just passed down from you. So that's a
[47:58] Speaker 2: reflection of yourself, right.
[48:01] Speaker 5: Blame the DNA, Yeah, they were they were just Yeah,
[48:05] Speaker 5: Pennos were just mate, it was just we're talking before, mate.
[48:09] Speaker 5: One side was playing football, the other one was playing science.
[48:13] Speaker 5: A big difference made like you, dogs were trying hard
[48:15] Speaker 5: the bust of their ass, but the other side is
[48:18] Speaker 5: just too good the precision and you know, probably emblematic
[48:23] Speaker 5: of it when you look at the Panthers first two
[48:25] Speaker 5: tries which were just made insane. You know, everyone doing
[48:30] Speaker 5: their right job, quick hands through the line, high pressure passing,
[48:34] Speaker 5: but made it look easy, too good.
[48:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, did you have a back fence player of the
[48:39] Speaker 2: of this match? Do you want to hear Jack?
[48:42] Speaker 1: Who was yours?
[48:42] Speaker 2: Again?
[48:43] Speaker 3: I had? I had Liam Martin in the end.
[48:46] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I had. I had the wingers Brian and
[48:50] Speaker 2: paul A Lamotti, the dynamic duo. Who do you are?
[48:53] Speaker 6: Ala?
[48:53] Speaker 5: Modi has been unbelievable, mate. Honestly, when he gets in
[48:58] Speaker 5: big games he goes good.
[48:59] Speaker 3: Now, revelation he was a revelation would you say?
[49:02] Speaker 5: Yeah? He revelations is great word? But mate, if you
[49:06] Speaker 5: look at him, made the dogs let him go, The
[49:09] Speaker 5: Dogs send him on his way and they're still playing
[49:12] Speaker 5: I think half his contract, so maybe three tries today? Yeah, player,
[49:18] Speaker 5: I'm going Moses Oh yeah, the King, Yeah he was.
[49:24] Speaker 5: He was fantastic McClain like Leam Martin. Mate, one bloke
[49:31] Speaker 5: who has got a keen curious eye is Nathan Hei Marsh.
[49:35] Speaker 5: I'm going to put Heindi on the line. People, here
[49:37] Speaker 5: is an exclusive to the John's podcast. Is Heindi? Heindi
[49:41] Speaker 5: telling what you think about the and extend on more
[49:44] Speaker 5: than did tonight Phil extend.
[49:46] Speaker 4: It explore the space.
[49:47] Speaker 5: Hello.
[49:47] Speaker 4: Who am I speaking with?
[49:49] Speaker 2: Hey Nathan, Hi Marsh, you're talking to Cooper and Jack Johns. Mate,
[49:52] Speaker 2: welcome to the podcast. You're live eleven.
[49:54] Speaker 5: This is eleven.
[49:57] Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, MATEO. I know you don't do many sort
[50:01] Speaker 2: of spots that aren't paid these days, so I'll try
[50:04] Speaker 2: to keep it quite brief for you, mate. What do
[50:06] Speaker 2: you think of the game?
[50:08] Speaker 4: I thought it was an outstanding game. I thought the
[50:10] Speaker 4: Pendant Panthers were clinical. His outo backs were great, towards
[50:15] Speaker 4: were awesome, bench were awesome, which Kenny sets up a try.
[50:18] Speaker 4: Also he was great And there was a little bit
[50:22] Speaker 4: of a little bit of an issue with Liam Martin
[50:25] Speaker 4: at the back end of the game where he looks
[50:27] Speaker 4: like he's gone down with an injury. He's gone up
[50:30] Speaker 4: into the sheds up the tunnel, he's killed over, he's
[50:33] Speaker 4: grimaced with pain, winced even according to Brian Fletcher. And
[50:39] Speaker 4: then he's come out and do an interview with Jakie
[50:41] Speaker 4: Duke after and pretty much just tried to tell the
[50:43] Speaker 4: public that he was just winded. But we think that's
[50:46] Speaker 4: a bit of horse play.
[50:47] Speaker 2: So you think, so you think he's a liar, Lee.
[50:50] Speaker 4: Martin, Well, I will say liar. Yes, I'll say liar.
[50:53] Speaker 4: I know that's a bit of aggressive for some, but
[50:55] Speaker 4: I'm going to say, yes, he's lying, he's not telling
[50:59] Speaker 4: people what we want to hear. I think he's actually
[51:00] Speaker 4: busted a rib and he's out there on a brave face.
[51:03] Speaker 2: He's done an interview, and you think, when you're labeling
[51:06] Speaker 2: a liar, is that is that just is that just
[51:08] Speaker 2: on field or is that like relationship like all others?
[51:13] Speaker 4: Has always been very good for us on Fox League
[51:17] Speaker 4: Brian Flechandi on The Madey John Show. So yeah, I've
[51:19] Speaker 4: got no issues with Lear Martin whatsoever regards to him
[51:22] Speaker 4: as a person. Just the fact that he he's pretending
[51:26] Speaker 4: that he's not injured when he is, so therefore he's alive.
[51:28] Speaker 2: Now, what's on the agenda for you guys tonight. You
[51:30] Speaker 2: guys going to dinner, is that right?
[51:32] Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just a sophisticated dinner, just the Maddie John's crew,
[51:35] Speaker 4: Maddy John's crew. So we'll be having a little bit
[51:38] Speaker 4: of wine, a couple of pastors, maybe a sitzel, and
[51:45] Speaker 4: then we'll be all tacked up in bed. That reason,
[51:47] Speaker 4: we'll time to watch the Formula one hopefully. Yeah, I'm
[51:50] Speaker 4: looking forward to you.
[51:51] Speaker 2: Are your Formula one man?
[51:52] Speaker 4: I am that's your Formula one man?
[51:55] Speaker 1: Yes?
[51:55] Speaker 2: Right, and this and you're not just using our platform
[51:58] Speaker 2: to plug like something that you being paid to plug?
[52:01] Speaker 4: Right, No, it's the key it has been was in
[52:03] Speaker 4: the Formula one. Well maybe but unfortunately it's not a
[52:08] Speaker 4: great you but on the F one track maybe not
[52:11] Speaker 4: so there it is.
[52:12] Speaker 2: Well, thanks Handy. It's been a pleasure to have have
[52:15] Speaker 2: you come on the program.
[52:16] Speaker 4: Mate, it's been a pleasure being on.
[52:17] Speaker 1: Guys.
[52:18] Speaker 4: Appreciate it.
[52:19] Speaker 2: Yes, do you hear jack Man?
[52:20] Speaker 1: Gloody?
[52:21] Speaker 4: Guys. Wrian's driving they're putty on pretty on speaker.
[52:27] Speaker 2: Brian's driving there, Brian contending the drive.
[52:30] Speaker 6: Hey fletch, great, Hey guys.
[52:35] Speaker 2: How are you fletched? Welcome to the program.
[52:37] Speaker 6: Mate, thank you very much.
[52:39] Speaker 2: Are we live, but we're not live like it is
[52:42] Speaker 2: a podcast, so we can edit anything you want to
[52:44] Speaker 2: say out if you want to bag anyone or what's
[52:46] Speaker 2: the deal? All right, what's the deal?
[52:48] Speaker 3: Mate?
[52:48] Speaker 2: We just wanted to see what's on the agenda tonight.
[52:51] Speaker 2: Handy said it's going to be quite tamed, red wine,
[52:53] Speaker 2: schnitzels and past or. Is that the same for you?
[52:56] Speaker 6: Well, it will be, but he he forgot to mention
[52:59] Speaker 6: he guys, let's.
[53:01] Speaker 5: Just and.
[53:07] Speaker 4: No, I did not say that. I said nothing of
[53:10] Speaker 4: the thought, nothing of the thought.
[53:13] Speaker 6: Yeah, we're going to go, Yeah, we're going to go
[53:15] Speaker 6: to Bill and Tony's clawed. He's the owner and Eva.
[53:20] Speaker 6: So they've been in the cafe business for a long
[53:23] Speaker 6: long time. First started at Castle Hill. Yeah, and what
[53:26] Speaker 6: the Bill and Tony has been going to This is
[53:28] Speaker 6: the sixtieth year it's been open.
[53:30] Speaker 5: Yeah.
[53:30] Speaker 6: So they gorded about fifteen years ago and have just
[53:33] Speaker 6: dramatically turned it into one of Sydney's favorite Italian restaurants,
[53:37] Speaker 6: not only good for businessmen but also great for family.
[53:40] Speaker 2: Can I ask Brian, are you guys paying for this dinner?
[53:42] Speaker 2: Or is this is this like a part of some
[53:44] Speaker 2: sort of freeview.
[53:46] Speaker 6: Look, I'm willing to pay, but I presume they want
[53:49] Speaker 6: something for their services. But now I think it is
[53:53] Speaker 6: on the house gratis if you will.
[53:55] Speaker 2: Oh well, but that's you know, that's not that's not
[53:57] Speaker 2: a testament. It's a test into what you three you know, Matthew,
[54:02] Speaker 2: Hendi and Fletch. You guys do week in week out
[54:04] Speaker 2: for the rugby league community. Bill and Tony are rewarding
[54:06] Speaker 2: you for that effort. So congratulations, Uh more than Bill.
[54:11] Speaker 6: If you can't be If you can't be rewarded from
[54:12] Speaker 6: Bill and Tony, who else do you want to be
[54:14] Speaker 6: rewarded by?
[54:15] Speaker 2: Hey? Yeah?
[54:18] Speaker 3: Cool?
[54:20] Speaker 2: Yeah, Well I heard Hendi's got some cash in his wallet.
[54:23] Speaker 2: Maybe they can get a start a little bit later.
[54:25] Speaker 6: And he's going to turn that into two hundred one dollars.
[54:32] Speaker 2: Oh well, well, thanks for joining the program, guys, Thanks boys, thanks,
[54:38] Speaker 2: good goodbye everyone. Thanks for joining the program.
[54:41] Speaker 5: He mate, mate, really proud that YouTube lakes must done.
[54:44] Speaker 1: Okay, right? Cool?
[54:46] Speaker 2: I wish I could say the same, see matey bye bye.
[54:51] Speaker 3: Well that was interesting.
[54:52] Speaker 2: That was not what I expected it to be.
[54:56] Speaker 3: But never again, thanks for filling into.
[54:58] Speaker 2: Dad's shoes today, Jack okay, thanks Preview on Wednesday, Man.
[55:04] Speaker 3: Thanks for destroying ras Man for me. This is my
[55:06] Speaker 3: day off. Your bastard, it's all right, don't worry about it.
[55:08] Speaker 2: Whoever over on

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