# 十字路口Crossing

A podcast by Koji. AI 正在给各行各业带来改变，我们在「十字路口」关注变革与机会，寻找、访谈和凝聚 AI 时代的「积极行动者」，和他们一起，探索和拥抱新变化、新的可能性。 「十字路口」是乔布斯对苹果公司的一个比喻，形容它站在科技与人文的十字路口，伟大的产品往往诞生在这里。

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## Latest episodes

- [【年终复盘①】AI带给我的10个Aha Moments｜庄明浩：RSI 来了、AI 的奇观与粗糙、巨头夹缝中的创业机会](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/8a860a232316) (2026-11-01, 54 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6ae6e230c96c8942ec156ed6/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lqXcQjZbUePdvtQOvOZF8bEPxBzB.m4a
- [AI 时代，PhD 路上的 10 个关键问题｜对谈李磊：港大 PhD、小米 MiMo 研究员](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/1578d9c3e3db) (2026-10-25, 52 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6add84e197726cd467573cf1/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lpbsXeoXbCgTv0QckX8lCTPdwViV.m4a
- [新的创业机会，正在 Claude Code 和 Codex 周围长出来｜对谈 Treg](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/68dd53324c95) (2026-10-18, 52 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6ad2412d0e4e410a05be01a7/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lsJEudLUybIGsXWwu9v_u2KuRpSM.m4a
- [“有了AI，我感觉自己强得可怕！”｜对谈鸭哥](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/d9ca57b95877) (2026-10-11, 73 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6aca7f91e742e36efcc10957/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lr19x9_9JYmicOZS2uFAbR8YC6Kb.m4a
- [AI 无限，人生有限｜对谈 KK、山音：一线 AI 创作者](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/6238a63369c8) (2026-10-08, 66 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6ac7ce36195d838e2aeeebd9/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lmk4LUckJgN-CPIVD-7Dy9VmsL0u.m4a
- [AI 时代，我们到底该学什么？｜对谈于红：三种不会过时的能力](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/1a57d5c8c98d) (2026-09-27, 113 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6ab7fb97e742e36efcbb881a/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lkCMj80qYw-uDuHIJFxudUFQBoaf.m4a
- [“我看到了 Scaling Law 的信号” | 对谈清华叉院助理教授徐梦迪：具身智能、世界模型、真正的泛化](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/46d6e08bda85) (2026-09-20, 81 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6ab0504f0916f6f8b4466ece/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/ltDn8TRgg55FlUENUlLokxDiz1Y5.m4a
- [于是转身向具身走去｜对话王家伟：24 岁的具身智能首席科学家](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/b508ddf3d4ca) (2026-09-16, 70 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6aaa9f039d326477816a3488/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/litRgTDfOZReriLLT7MtUMkNI-Lr.m4a
- [当具身智能走到十字路口｜对谈苏度、蚂蚁灵波、自变量、破壳：四种一线判断](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/3297cbff60f1) (2026-09-13, 43 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6aa67b319d32647781685e95/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/ls6W3MRJJRECuQG33yC3LBDmDZPf.m4a
- [她被骗过、被救过、被捧上神坛过、被疼痛击倒过，决定在AI时代继续冒险｜对谈陈安妮](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/1a2d9010eba9) (2026-09-06, 77 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a9abd3df03e74ee6b052a28/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/loMvN15fklK80bHKREiEd1iOtUOf.m4a
- [对卷卷的3小时访谈：从抖音到AI 3D、创业的过山车、成为制造业OS的野心、基础模型不会吞噬一切！](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/cf721d247bc6) (2026-09-02, 151 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a97a9daa0210c197dcc1ba0/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lh4SK1Hb1cwhPR-tTGQrbIQ-psOP.m4a
- [AI 下半场，不会只剩一个超级模型｜对谈 Kevin Ding：Pyromind 创始人/CEO](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/8a22a38833a1) (2026-08-30, 49 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a90fc5e1352af56ff3d48af/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lsQ-rKE8nfRBI5xaLGst3A8uncfD.m4a
- [22 岁的具身 CEO、5 轮融资、过亿美元、“不知天有多高”、“一年吃了十年的苦”｜对谈黄一：萝博派对创始人/CEO](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/2dc2d605eddb) (2026-08-23, 63 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a8aab34ef65145dfcc3ea11/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lsOm1TJWT72P9pWiRYCS0-V833Nt.m4a
- [「模型能力已经够了，要卷就卷 infra」｜对谈戴冠兰：Runta 创始人](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/0bfdc2dc91ff) (2026-08-09, 57 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a773808c4079d62c57f5802/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lkfUT_bmlrVelVLOwix6U2vFvxDa.m4a
- [「热爱一个行业15年的理由是什么？」｜对谈汪天凡：我要投真正的快乐、投最纯的愿景、投人性的光辉【公路播客】](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/198e0f2271fe) (2026-08-02, 52 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a6eb9e71b5e24969ce77ab5/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lu98AA1ByafbBlJyJrn8oqUIeZk_.m4a
- [11 年，110 亿美金，然后呢？｜对话 Airwallex 吴恺：AI 时代，下一站 1000 亿](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/14f2c2b8aa2c) (2026-07-26, 50 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a6320d16356eb2d9be7bd07/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lr4TVDrq25bY7FUGoqkqoJW6VWDk.m4a
- [快一点！再快一点！快到世界能实时生成｜和生数科技张金涛聊：Vidu S1、推理加速、实时交互视频](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/651b5acc995f) (2026-07-19, 42 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a5c6a91a3fec224d59fd014/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lsB53BqRjojiaDNLQ2QE4StA_B13.m4a
- [AI4S 需要狂人与野心家｜对话英灵殿 Odin："如果神存在，我怎能容忍自己不是神？"【公路播客】](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/33305ede1b16) (2026-07-12, 62 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a5199381e32575f5eb48ce4/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lhcEYiP6DQoMRwk38uVqJWOoMxyZ.m4a
- [Agent 元年第 500 天：什么在消失，什么在诞生——为什么我们不该再投资 GUI 思维的软件？](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/ed31581f741a) (2026-07-01, 53 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a4511d92e335a35a80c8431/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lhWDxFPKE3BMAmjK4E6KNk-5sN-b.m4a
- [我遇到了第一个真正想买的陪伴机器人！｜对话世博：越伴动力创始人【公路播客】](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/c2b044a2f4d6) (2026-06-28, 53 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a3f281f9d2f5743683e81b2/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lryDeLIzm0-hbk68u5CqE3TI-epB.m4a
- [对话 MiniMax 闫俊杰：M3、10X 计划、10T 模型、和智能的终局](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/351aa0324803) (2026-06-21, 39 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a374ab075ba9e0c53368f7e/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lqtILT8FLVmV99v0GsHhyFyraiBe.m4a
- [因果路线，才能通往「世界模型」的终局？｜对话黄碧薇：Aether AI 创始人](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/f73689e85a09) (2026-06-18, 50 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a333a614233e62bc54ba990/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lgg_eNV6JRpgVyiWTXw6BocDzDmr.m4a
- [高手怎么用 AI？普通人怎么学 AI？投资人如何投 AI？｜对谈课代表立正](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/734ce461de41) (2026-06-10, 64 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a275ed57444b5722235a897/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/ljQYo4tz0o2-pmSl-Mjx6UmsuzsC.m4a
- [OpenAI 和 Anthropic 共同看好的 FDE：AI 时代的新岗位出现，旧分工松动｜对谈 Rolling AI](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/c7f6164c8aaf) (2026-06-03, 56 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a1e4022ac7bdb080c348b41/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/ljlaTRJiMRLNBe_LUqmAt0C74Xo6.m4a
- [2026 AI 游戏全景扫描：四层图景、三大误区、一个共识缺口｜对谈 405 游局筱宁](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/4189db3ef3a2) (2026-05-27, 48 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a11a57c8b5c94538e98794d/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lgK71gYTqTSvKc_wIPz0hkZkEMne.m4a
- [人类和 AI Agent 的最佳配合方式，还没被发明｜对谈 Paperboy](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/88013c555d9c) (2026-05-20, 56 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6a0be0cfe1eb34a939abced5/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/ltgXurpsEOwqGgFvGc32AURYMT-o.m4a
- [探秘 Claude Code，搞懂 Agent Harness｜对谈来新璐](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/252b90928c82) (2026-05-05, 48 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69f2e83fbb3ffa11e59dec82/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lklUK3i7C4Gzw4jvxeE7ODSFGiS3.m4a
- [当我们在讨论 Harness 的时候，我们在讨论什么 | 深度对谈: Minimax × Hermes Agent](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/e017f108f1ea) (2026-04-28, 78 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69e96b5b1e94ae6921ee3c2b/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lvHm1cFno7MQMFV3g0aajmW4zdPd.m4a
- [为什么公司用不好AI？从焦虑到行动的 3 个关键动作｜对谈百融智能张韶峰](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/9e0299077e80) (2026-04-26, 35 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69eb5dfc1d989496e76d373c/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lgaRNGnaqRaN2C9P4jsSURvT6cEs.m4a
- [把7位黑客松选手请进播客｜冠军、怪才和48小时不眠的野心家](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/d23a1f49c261) (2026-04-22, 46 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69e8a1f21e94ae6921e403b9/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lhOzhSuQbw8Csa5tj5tqC7saQreX.m4a
- [“你有一把能够挖出金子的铲子，肯定不会先给别人用”｜对谈开物纪陆子恒：用AI发明新材料](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/34c2704d7313) (2026-04-19, 53 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69e0344eb977fb2c470e4136/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lvHl1-hY1GwtainUjjgf8XBS4FYH.m4a
- [具身智能的滔天大泡沫中，他已经把机器人送进300个家庭｜对话张翼：未来不远创始人/CEO](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/92c4c0ab27b1) (2026-04-14, 48 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69dae02ab977fb2c47b033c0/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lic8B7dkxTS3Qjrs6Af1RGBF4xRf.m4a
- [“AGI 来了？我用了一周，头皮发麻“｜对谈张昊然：Moxt 联合创始人](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/f3477eceebab) (2026-04-06, 73 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69ca3aa4b977fb2c479fe088/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lkIYSdDDEzLyzH8Rt2GrBBM4r_gq.m4a
- [她想造一个 AI 时代的“超级游乐场”｜对谈 Roi：幕间创始人 / CEO](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/ebb055501669) (2026-04-01, 88 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69b40879b810e066f9c6e6f2/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/ltfH_oN-4QQZ-ArdqURY4G0JejEC.m4a
- [「1 亿 TOKEN 俱乐部」挤爆了，AI 的燃料不够了｜对谈于文渊：阿里云百炼技术负责人](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/6505cacddf74) (2026-03-29, 32 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69c24455521e5c0a80c3ff92/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/ltn5K9jd9E04I5MFDkDo_yCoslSm.m4a
- [OpenClaw 之后，谁将定义主动式 AI 的新战场？｜对谈 AirJelly 黄柏特](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/217a6492a987) (2026-03-25, 69 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69c1ed91fdc405fbf6f58092/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lpLswO8r829aKxwgyUrFkOjElKU6.m4a
- [20 个问题，搞懂 OpenClaw：爆红机制、本质变化、创业机会](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/5b8cd1d5d3ff) (2026-03-08, 64 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69ab99c15b2d0ed069b9d271/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lk6BZKdxTI47vEHjVS9sGxOtRvTo.m4a
- [剑桥博士去挖矿：当 AI 遇上「一钻下去千万美金」的行业｜对话相子恒：DeepOptica 创始人/CEO](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/04664fea5e01) (2026-03-01, 53 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/69a2a906a22480add66cf5aa/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/lhrvNwmy2grSCUAxjt8SXxaXjlR_.m4a
- [那个40亿美金卖掉公司的男人，重回十字路口 | 对谈Justin袁菁：创业、生活与那些"无用之事"](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/86163e646a9b) (2026-02-11, 79 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/698bfa3ca22480add6a15da9/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/liluLxf2oQ1nOqf2PkMH_d3NP3bK.m4a
- [Vibe Coding 下半场：四大天王，和想赢的人｜对话朱广翔：百度秒哒产品总经理](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1729552193/e5a83d57d941) (2026-02-08, 55 min): audio https://dts-api.xiaoyuzhoufm.com/track/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/6985820dc78b823892eb4642/media.xyzcdn.net/60502e253c92d4f62c2a9577/ltiv0K_CJUSU9Kz-GSI_UNssIYyj.m4a
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