# Ep 70 — Earl McClellan & Rich Wilkerson Jr. : Leading in the midst of division

An episode of [Mature Me w/ Rich Wilkerson Jr.](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1727468541), 23 Sep 2025, 2 h 07 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/f0e53dc8/podcast/play/108700098/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2025-8-23%2Fc46e8d76-f35a-9f3c-de82-48a6934311d1.mp3

This week on Mature Me, Rich sits down with his good friend Earl McClellan—a husband, father, pastor, and author—for a powerful conversation about faith, influence, and the battles we all face. Earl shares about his upbringing, a miraculous healing, and the early days of planting a church. He opens up about the daily fight for our identity in Christ, what it means to pick up your cross again and again, and why vision is a gift that keeps you moving forward. The conversation dives into spiritual warfare, leadership, and living with gratitude and surrender. Earl reminds us that the armor of God covers every side—because God’s got your back, unless you turn your back. Earl recently released his first book, Get Your Spirit Back, and this episode will challenge you to stand firm, lead with courage, and walk in the rhythm of God’s grace. Sign up for Leadership With Rich free weekly newsletter: https://www.richwilkersonjr.com Watch this episode on Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCARNPkLHwzeC4KSXGu4RISQ Follow Rich on Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/richwilkersonjr/ Follow Rich on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@richwilkersonjr?lang=en

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