# Learn to Work with It — Manouchka Charles and Dakota Duron on Mature Me Ep. 106

An episode of [Mature Me w/ Rich Wilkerson Jr.](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1727468541), 15 Sep 2026, 1 h 19 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/f0e53dc8/podcast/play/125782627/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-8-15%2F431966958-44100-2-7a5d0ff7814ca.m4a

You can believe what God says about everyone else and still struggle to believe it about yourself. This week on Mature Me, I’m sitting down with @hellomanouchka and @dakotaduron to reflect on 11 years of VOUS Church and our recent “Confessions” collection at @vouschurch. We talk about the early days, the friendships that have sustained us and the beliefs we’ve had to confront along the way. “I’m not enough.” “I’m too much.” “I’m not smart enough.” So much of maturity is learning to recognize the lies we’ve accepted and return to what God has spoken. You don’t have to wait until every insecurity disappears to walk in what He’s called you to do. Tune in tonight at 7:30 PM on the Rich Wilkerson Jr. YouTube Channel. 🔗

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