# Peter Garrett puts AUKUS on trial: is it a rip-off?

An episode of [Global Roaming with Geraldine Doogue and Hamish Macdonald](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1725924485), 14 Aug 2026, 29 min.

Audio: https://mediacore-live-production.akamaized.net/audio/02/ng/Z/8n.mp3

Former Prime Minister Malcolm Turnbull has labelled AUKUS a bipartisan mistake. Is he right? Peter Garrett, former Labor minister and rock superstar, is now leading a public inquiry into Australia's submarine pact with the U.S. and UK to answer a number of essential questions. Are the promised submarines likely to arrive? Why is Australia paying billions into US and UK submarine production? And does AUKUS strengthen Australia's security, or deepen our dependence on Washington at a time of growing uncertainty about America's role in the world? In this episode, Peter Garrett joins Global Roaming to explain why the inquiry believes Australians have been largely excluded from one of the biggest defence decisions in the nation's history. Hamish Macdonald and Geraldine Doogue also test the arguments around China's military rise, Taiwan, interoperability with US forces, and whether Australia has ever had the national conversation that a project of this scale demands. Guest: Peter Garrett, leading commissioner of the public inquiry into AUKUS

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