# 'To the Victor Belong the Spoils': Trump's UN speech and the weakest world order in generations

An episode of [Global Roaming with Geraldine Doogue and Hamish Macdonald](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1725924485), 30 Sep 2026, 29 min.

Audio: https://mediacore-live-production.akamaized.net/audio/02/ov/Z/pr.mp3

The world's leaders are heading home from UN General Assembly week, and Donald Trump gave them plenty to talk about: a threat to annihilate Iran, and a line about "the spoils" of victory that Foreign Policy editor-in-chief Ravi Agrawal says shocked him more. Agrawal argues Trump's coercive power may have peaked, with US munitions depleted by the Iran war, an unpopular presidency and midterms looming. So who fills the gap? He tells Geraldine Doogue and Latika Bourke he sees no clear successor, but he does see countries de-risking from Washington through new defence pacts and trade deals. He also warns that Ukraine faces a brutal winter as Russia scales up jet-powered drones. Plus: Israel's isolation ahead of its October election, and a surprising reason for hope.Guest: Ravi Agrawal, editor in chief of Foreign Policy Get in touch: We'd love to hear from you! Email us at global.roaming@abc.net.au Find all the episodes of Global Roaming now via the ABC Listen App or wherever you get your podcasts.

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