# Getting Lucky... Again: Peter Varghese - Re-thinking Australian foreign policy

An episode of [Global Roaming with Geraldine Doogue and Hamish Macdonald](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1725924485), 7 Jul 2026, 29 min.

Audio: https://mediacore-live-production.akamaized.net/audio/02/m8/Z/8j.mp3

In this Global Roaming limited series, Hamish Macdonald and Geraldine Doogue are inviting big thinkers from different fields to consider how Australia can not just survive - but thrive - in a more challenging world. In this episode former Secretary of the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade Peter Varghese attempts to shake Australia out of our complacency and excite us about the potential of new foreign policy possibilities. Peter's recommendations: • The Golden Road by William Dalrymple - you can find our conversation with William the link to his new book HERE • Why Great Powers Sleepwalk to War — A Masterclass with Hugh White - Joe Walker podcast Get in touch: We'd love to hear from you! Email us at global.roaming@abc.net.au Find all the episodes of Global Roaming now via the ABC Listen App or wherever you get your podcasts. This episode was first broadcast on Friday 26 December 2025

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