# Ep 94 How to Protect Your Dog from Incoming Dogs

An episode of [Help! My Dog: The Podcast. Dog Behaviour & Training Strategies that Work!](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1721245241), 17 Sep 2025, 21 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2287608/episodes/17821679-ep-94-how-to-protect-your-dog-from-incoming-dogs.mp3

Every dog owner knows the sinking feeling when another dog comes charging over, uninvited and unstoppable. It’s stressful, emotional, and it can quickly turn what should be a lovely walk into chaos. In this episode, we dive into the real-life challenges of incoming dogs and the surprising role we, as owners, may be playing in those moments. You’ll hear about what’s within your control (and what isn’t), and how small changes can completely shift your dog’s experience. We’ll also explore environments, movement and subtle signals that could be attracting unwanted attention. If you’ve ever wondered how to protect your dog without feeling powerless or frustrated, listen in to discover how to take back control of your walks. ................ Whether your dog is unpredictable with other dogs or predictably bad… Whether it looks like freezing, barking, lunging or running away… Whether you are just starting out on your dog-owning journey or your dog has been labelled as having a “behaviour problem”… … this episode is for you and is going to give you huge insights! Want to join the Help! My Dog Online HUB? Here's the link: www.helpmydog.com/hub Dr Tom Mitchell is a world-renowned veterinarian, behaviourist and dog trainer and director of the Behavet behaviour clinic (rated Excellent on Trustpilot), which sees over 400 pet behaviour consultations each and every month no matter where you are in the world. In 2023, he founded Help! My Dog, an online dog behaviour learning platform to help even more owners all over the world and show that dog behaviour transformation is not only possible but it's FUN, with the right know-how! Make sure to subscribe/follow the podcast for the free weekly episodes! Useful Links: Follow Help! My Dog on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/helpmydogofficial/ Schedule a Consultation with Behavet: https://www.beha.vet/ Follow Behavet on Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/behavet

## Transcript

[0:00] SPEAKER_00: When we put an amount of energy into things we cannot control, nothing changes.
[0:07] SPEAKER_00: When we put the same amount of energy into things we can control, so much changes.
[0:13] SPEAKER_00: Before we dive in, a warning.
[0:16] SPEAKER_00: The content of this podcast may not be appropriate for some young listeners.
[0:21] SPEAKER_00: This is real life, and that means that sometimes it can be a little bit graphic, so listen on at your own peril.
[0:29] SPEAKER_00: As a veterinarian, dog behaviourist, best-selling author and trainer over the past decade, I've had an obsession with transforming the behaviour of dogs, understanding their brains and creating practical strategies that you can implement easily at home.
[0:44] SPEAKER_00: I know all too well when the dream you imagined when you first got your dog is far from your daily reality.
[0:50] SPEAKER_00: In fact, out of the blue, a few months ago, my little dog Gorse was bitten by a dog 20 times her size.
[0:57] SPEAKER_00: And suddenly our life of stress-free walks, a calm and cuddly household, and being teammates was replaced with reactivity, anxiety, and worrying about what's around the next corner.
[1:08] SPEAKER_00: I'm Dr.
[1:09] SPEAKER_00: Tom.
[1:09] SPEAKER_00: This is the Help My Dog Podcast, and this is me documenting that journey of transformation, sharing my knowledge and experience with you and having a few laughs along the way.
[1:20] SPEAKER_00: Hello and welcome to this episode of the Help My Dog Podcast.
[1:25] SPEAKER_00: And what we're going to be talking about in this episode is one that I'll be honest, we get emails a lot about, okay?
[1:33] SPEAKER_00: It's one that I think it's every dog owner's kind of worst nightmare that happens all the time.
[1:42] SPEAKER_00: It's one of those where it's every reactive dog owner's worst nightmare.
[1:48] SPEAKER_00: And again, it's where a lot of emotion goes and a lot of like stress gets directed in this direction.
[1:56] SPEAKER_00: And that is incoming dogs.
[1:59] SPEAKER_00: In other words, how to protect your dog from other dogs.
[2:02] SPEAKER_00: And um I I want to kind of we've chatted about this on the podcast a few times, and I think it's so worthwhile covering again, because I think what we've got to realize here is there are things that we cannot control and there are things that we can that we can control.
[2:18] SPEAKER_00: When we put an amount of energy into things we cannot control, nothing changes.
[2:25] SPEAKER_00: When we put the same amount of energy into things we can control, so much changes.
[2:31] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[2:32] SPEAKER_00: And I think that's something that I sometimes have to remind myself of, even if it's not about, you know, incoming dogs, it's about, you know, I don't know, the stresses of life.
[2:40] SPEAKER_00: And I think the end where I'm directing this energy and the villain that I am making the villain right now, is it a villain that I am ever going to be able to control?
[2:50] SPEAKER_00: No.
[2:51] SPEAKER_00: Are there things around that that I can control that if I put the same amount of energy into, actually the villain becomes insignificant?
[2:59] SPEAKER_00: Yeah?
[2:59] SPEAKER_00: And the answer is always, yeah, there's stuff, right?
[3:02] SPEAKER_00: But sometimes it takes that moment to like stop directing your energy at the villain to see that the other stuff exists.
[3:09] SPEAKER_00: And that's why I wanted to like dedicate an episode of the podcast to exactly this.
[3:14] SPEAKER_00: So, number one, I've kind of got four things that I think are really important, but really the the big one is direct your energy towards what you can control.
[3:23] SPEAKER_00: Let's make that number one, and then I've got five.
[3:25] SPEAKER_00: Um, so number two is are we inadvertently asking the other dog to come over?
[3:34] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, as in we the owners.
[3:37] SPEAKER_00: And what I mean by that, and I I used to be I I used to be terrible for this with Illy, like dogs would like land on us, and I'd be like, why did that happen?
[3:45] SPEAKER_00: And I'd think, well, why did that happen?
[3:47] SPEAKER_00: Because I was racing around, like whooping and cheering and throwing food around, and the other dog thought, that was a fun, that looks like a fun, stimulating experience over there.
[3:58] SPEAKER_00: I'm heading over that.
[3:59] SPEAKER_00: Um, and so sometimes it's actually as simple as, you know, we have to pick our moments and pick our times and pick our the games appropriate to the situation.
[4:08] SPEAKER_00: And if you're if you're in an environment where there are other dogs off lead and you're not sure of like how um disengaged those other dogs are, it's probably not a time to get like the chaser toy out and start running up and down the field because you're gonna end up collecting dogs as you go through that process, right?
[4:28] SPEAKER_00: Um and it sounds so obvious, but I used to do it, and I know that some of you will be listening, you'll be like, Oh, yeah, no, thinking about it, when that dog landed on us a few weeks ago, yeah, I was doing XYZ, right?
[4:39] SPEAKER_00: Um, and same for like chuck it throwers, you know, the the ball launchers.
[4:44] SPEAKER_00: It's all well and good for your dog to be obsessed with with with the ball and and and you to be launching that ball.
[4:51] SPEAKER_00: Um but then and I say it's all well and good, that's maybe an episode in itself that we could talk about the pros and cons of that.
[5:01] SPEAKER_00: Um, but we've got to realize that other dogs are gonna join your dog.
[5:04] SPEAKER_00: And what you've got to realize in that is that your dog's then gonna feel conflicted because they can't disengage from the ball, and yet now there's another dog that is trying to get the ball and force them to disengage.
[5:14] SPEAKER_00: What does that create?
[5:15] SPEAKER_00: It creates conflict, yeah, and we can blame the other dog, or we can think, well, actually, that scenario, was there really any other outcome that could have happened from that scenario that I set up?
[5:25] SPEAKER_00: Probably not.
[5:26] SPEAKER_00: And sometimes that's so it's such like a hard pill to swallow, isn't it?
[5:29] SPEAKER_00: Like, is that dog the problem, or did I set up a scenario in which really there was no other option other than what just happened?
[5:37] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and sometimes that's true.
[5:39] SPEAKER_00: And the other side to this is sometimes I used to have this with ketone.
[5:46] SPEAKER_00: Sometimes your dog moves in a certain way that is very stimulating to other dogs.
[5:51] SPEAKER_00: And as much as we can work to change the way how stimulating your dog is to other dogs, and change the way that they move and you know, calm their movement down and slow it all down a little bit, that's probably work in progress.
[6:08] SPEAKER_00: And in the meantime, we might need to manage our dog's movement to not make them a target for other dogs.
[6:14] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[6:15] SPEAKER_00: Um, and so it might mean that actually they're safer on lead than off lead.
[6:19] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, because they're not zooming from side to side.
[6:22] SPEAKER_00: Like ketone used to like quarter behind me, and a little tail would be going like crazy, and it's like, oh, that is that's stimulating for anyone, right?
[6:31] SPEAKER_00: Um, and so again, sometimes we need to think about is it something that we're doing that is causing this, or is there something that we could do to that would that would make our dogs less of a target?
[6:41] SPEAKER_00: So that's the the the second tip that I've got for you.
[6:45] SPEAKER_00: The third tip that I've got for you is is it the location, is it the environment?
[6:51] SPEAKER_00: Because you know, I'll I'll have this conversation often with people where they'll say, Oh, it's really annoying.
[6:59] SPEAKER_00: I go to this place to walk my dog, and we drive there, and and and you know, we have we can have lovely walks there, but there's this one guy that turns up in a van and he literally just opens the back doors of his van and you know, six dogs emerge and they just run around the field and bomb every dog, and my my poor dog's absolutely terrified, and it it would be wonderful if that villain in the van did not exist.
[7:26] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it would be great.
[7:27] SPEAKER_00: And I, you know, if there was anything that I could do, God, that sounds terrible, does not it?
[7:31] SPEAKER_00: You know what I mean.
[7:32] SPEAKER_00: Um, if there's anything that I could do to just divert them to some somewhere else in this world, yeah, in this world, okay.
[7:38] SPEAKER_00: I'm not suggesting anything more drastic, um, then I would, but the reality is that we know that they go to that place.
[7:45] SPEAKER_00: So is it just safer for your sanity and safer for your dog to find some other amazing walks that you could go on?
[7:53] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, and I I use I use a specific villain in that scenario.
[7:57] SPEAKER_00: But the reality is is there are certain environments where dogs are less well managed than others.
[8:02] SPEAKER_00: There'll be certain parks around you where you'll you'll soon realize that's the that's the park where for whatever reason the dogs are not well managed, and there'll be other parks where you're like, oh, this is where all the well-behaved dogs come, right?
[8:16] SPEAKER_00: Um, you know, there's a there's a park near us, and um and it's a wonderful park to train in, actually, because it's huge, and all the dogs, for whatever reason, are very well managed in that park.
[8:27] SPEAKER_00: But there are other locations that I can think of around us where I'm like, I I would not go to that, I would not go to that park.
[8:34] SPEAKER_00: It's not it's not well managed, I would not go to that walk.
[8:37] SPEAKER_00: And and so sometimes it's just a matter of being like, you know what?
[8:40] SPEAKER_00: I'm gonna continue to work on my dog's robustness, I'm gonna continue to work on my dog being able to thrive even when you know a dog lands on them.
[8:51] SPEAKER_00: And in the meantime, they're not the walks for us.
[8:54] SPEAKER_00: Um, and in the meantime, actually, I'm not gonna, I'm not gonna make my sanity dependent on some guy in a van that can't manage his dogs well.
[9:04] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'm just not gonna give him the opportunity.
[9:07] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[9:08] SPEAKER_00: Instead, what I'm gonna do is I'm not gonna put myself in his path, right?
[9:11] SPEAKER_00: And I get that it would be great.
[9:13] SPEAKER_00: We should all be allowed to do what we want all the time, but as we all learn as toddlers, that is not reality.
[9:21] SPEAKER_00: And so sometimes just taking a step back and thinking, you know what?
[9:24] SPEAKER_00: I there are other battles to fight right now.
[9:28] SPEAKER_00: That would be my third tip.
[9:29] SPEAKER_00: Hey guys, I just want to take a moment to answer a question that has been coming in in literally 10 emails a day, and that is how can we help you with your dog's behavior struggle, whether that be reactivity, separation, anxiety, resource guarding, maybe you've got multi-dog household struggle right now, maybe your dog's just so over aroused on a walk that they just can't listen to you and they're chasing everything inside.
[9:52] SPEAKER_00: Like, can I get Tom's help?
[9:54] SPEAKER_00: Um, and the answer is that actually you can, and you can do that by booking a behavet behavior consultation.
[10:02] SPEAKER_00: That's where literally my team give you the plan on how to transform your struggle and get you to that dream that that made you get a dog in the first place, right?
[10:13] SPEAKER_00: Your world's got smaller and smaller and smaller, and actually it doesn't need to be that way.
[10:17] SPEAKER_00: You just need to reach out for help.
[10:19] SPEAKER_00: Now, a couple of things to say on that.
[10:20] SPEAKER_00: First of all, if you're insured, if your dog's insured with Pet Plan, Kennel Club, AgriA, or many pets, we actually do direct claims with them, which means that that's covered by your insurance.
[10:31] SPEAKER_00: So you don't you don't pay out of your pocket, your insurance covers that.
[10:35] SPEAKER_00: And the second thing to say is that we have loads of options if you're insured with another provider, or if your dog's not insured at all, that's also totally fine.
[10:43] SPEAKER_00: We have loads of options that we've developed to make this so accessible for you.
[10:48] SPEAKER_00: And because we're aware that you've already invested a load of time and a load of money in getting your dog, looking after your dog, caring for your dog.
[10:54] SPEAKER_00: But the last thing we want is for you to have done all that and still not be living the life that you deserve with your dog.
[10:59] SPEAKER_00: And we know we can get you there.
[11:01] SPEAKER_00: So all you need to do is go to the Behave Vet website, and the way to do that is go B-E-H-A.
[11:10] SPEAKER_00: That's Behay.vet, and it will take you there, or just Google Behave Vet, right?
[11:17] SPEAKER_00: Um, and you can get scheduled in and we can literally get you booked in for a consultation as soon as possible.
[11:23] SPEAKER_00: We normally can accommodate it within a week, right?
[11:26] SPEAKER_00: So that you can be getting to your dream ASAP.
[11:29] SPEAKER_00: Fourth tip, guys, is and this is a real game changer when you start to realize this, is that um some dogs get targeted more than others, and nearly always the reason why that is, is because those dogs struggle with a skill, and that skill is disengagement.
[11:50] SPEAKER_00: And you're thinking, What do you mean?
[11:52] SPEAKER_00: That's the other dog bombing them, right?
[11:54] SPEAKER_00: How can the victim be blamed for a lack of skill?
[11:58] SPEAKER_00: Um, the point is that even that if you've got one of those dogs that's often repeatedly targeted, what you've got to realize is your dog might be drawing that other dog in.
[12:08] SPEAKER_00: Um, and so if your dog's not completely disengaged from the other dog, they might be doing a little bit like uh, I'm not interested in you, but I'm looking in your direction, but I'm not interested in you, but I'm looking in your direction a little bit, but I'm not interested in you, but I'm sending vibes your way, but I'm not interested in you, right?
[12:24] SPEAKER_00: And the thing is that's even harder for the other dog because other dogs don't like mystery, yeah.
[12:31] SPEAKER_00: They don't like, they they don't like, they're inherently gamblers.
[12:35] SPEAKER_00: They're like, oh, that other that dog over there, do they like me, do they hate me?
[12:39] SPEAKER_00: I must go find out.
[12:40] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[12:40] SPEAKER_00: And so if you've got a dog that isn't 100% disengaged and is doing a bit of engagement, a bit of disengagement, a bit of engagement, a bit of disengagement, then you might actually might find that they almost magnetize the other dog to them.
[12:53] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[12:53] SPEAKER_00: And and and dogs are really good at knowing when another dog is their business or not, when that other dog is has really strong disengagement skills, yeah.
[13:03] SPEAKER_00: And so, for example, if I think about one of our dogs, Bet, she can walk, she literally can walk through um the a beach full of dogs, yeah.
[13:14] SPEAKER_00: She does it often, walk it full of um, walk through along a beach full of dogs, and literally the other dogs can be like a meter away from her, and she just walks past them.
[13:24] SPEAKER_00: Like she does not, she does not like deviate her eyes from a path.
[13:28] SPEAKER_00: She's like, I am none of your business, yeah.
[13:30] SPEAKER_00: She's what and the other dogs are like, that's none of my business.
[13:34] SPEAKER_00: Um, she's not interested in me.
[13:37] SPEAKER_00: Whereas if I, you know, if I'm reflective and I think about one of our other dogs, Casino, she's not yet at that level, but she almost is, which is sometimes the worst scenario.
[13:47] SPEAKER_00: Because she's like, I am none of your business, I am none of your business, but I just need to check you out, check that you're all right.
[13:53] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I've looked at you, I'm none of your business, I'm none of your business.
[13:56] SPEAKER_00: Oh, I'm just looking in your direction, I'm none of your business.
[13:59] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, she's not quite like 100% with her disengagement skill.
[14:04] SPEAKER_00: And so the other dogs are like, oh, I'm gonna go check her out.
[14:09] SPEAKER_00: Um and and she's the one that is more likely to have an interaction on the beach.
[14:14] SPEAKER_00: Um and it's because she draws them in, and you know, the interaction goes fine.
[14:18] SPEAKER_00: And interestingly, she does have that level of disengagement where if the other dog gets too much, she will very much go, I am she will, which is how this started with Bet that she got to that level.
[14:30] SPEAKER_00: She's like, I am turning away from you.
[14:32] SPEAKER_00: I am like, I'm I am none of your business.
[14:35] SPEAKER_00: Um, and um, and the other dog, the other dog leaves.
[14:38] SPEAKER_00: Another one of our dogs that is great at this, kind of she's very good at disengagement in a very extreme weird way is lava.
[14:48] SPEAKER_00: She will, she doesn't even acknowledge things exist.
[14:51] SPEAKER_00: It's like she looks through them.
[14:52] SPEAKER_00: She looks, I mean, she's a bit of an insane dog.
[14:54] SPEAKER_00: Like she quite, she she's just quite odd as a dog.
[14:58] SPEAKER_00: We love her, but she's quite odd.
[15:00] SPEAKER_00: So she's taken disengagement to the extent where she'll just be like, she'll like look over dogs, like like they just don't exist.
[15:09] SPEAKER_00: Um, she was the dog that just wasn't bothered, like in a way, she was harder to train with the horses because she was like, that horse doesn't exist to me, so I'm just gonna walk underneath the horse.
[15:20] SPEAKER_00: And you're like, Lava, like this is like this is an animal, and she's like, it just doesn't exist.
[15:25] SPEAKER_00: Just uh and and you know, you call her to to get her out from underneath the horse, and she'd turn around but stay under the horse, yeah, and like look at you like, yeah, everything all right, do you need me to do anything?
[15:36] SPEAKER_00: It's like you are under Mason, yeah.
[15:37] SPEAKER_00: You're you're like you're you're under if he was a table, you'd be under the table, right?
[15:42] SPEAKER_00: Um, and so um she's another one that is great.
[15:46] SPEAKER_00: She never has interactions with other dogs because you're just so disengaged from them.
[15:50] SPEAKER_00: And so that would be the fourth tip that I've got for you.
[15:53] SPEAKER_00: Grow that skill of disengagement.
[15:55] SPEAKER_00: If you're like, how do I grow that skill of disengagement?
[15:58] SPEAKER_00: Make sure to check out the help my dog hub.
[16:00] SPEAKER_00: Join the help my dog hub, it's the you know, at the help my dog membership.
[16:04] SPEAKER_00: There's a support community, it's Facebook Lives every week where you can get these kinds of questions answered.
[16:09] SPEAKER_00: There's a whole disengagement section that takes your dog from thinking everything is their business to physical disengagement.
[16:17] SPEAKER_00: In other words, they'll come away from other dogs or physically distance themselves through to this level that I'm excited about, and I think you guys are all excited about now, that mental disengagement.
[16:28] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that thing no longer is in my head.
[16:30] SPEAKER_00: I'm so disengaged from it.
[16:32] SPEAKER_00: And so, all of that in the Help My Dog Hub would love to help you if you can jump into that.
[16:37] SPEAKER_00: Fifth one, okay.
[16:39] SPEAKER_00: Sometimes, despite all of that, dogs will still be incoming.
[16:44] SPEAKER_00: You'll see them coming.
[16:46] SPEAKER_00: You can still rescue it at that point.
[16:48] SPEAKER_00: It's how you respond to an incoming dog.
[16:51] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[16:52] SPEAKER_00: Maybe your dog has drawn that other dog in.
[16:55] SPEAKER_00: Now your only job is to go, my dog is none of your business.
[16:58] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[16:59] SPEAKER_00: How do we do that?
[17:00] SPEAKER_00: You you you kind of manufacture your dog disengaging from that other dog.
[17:05] SPEAKER_00: We do one game that we that we really like to do is called Turn and Feed.
[17:08] SPEAKER_00: And it's super simple.
[17:10] SPEAKER_00: I just crouch down on the floor, yeah.
[17:12] SPEAKER_00: Piece of high-value food in front of your dog's nose, turn your dog into you, right?
[17:18] SPEAKER_00: And you're just dropping bits of food between your feet with you crouched down, so they're kind of between your knees, and their only job is to look between your feet and wait for the next piece of chicken to drop.
[17:29] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[17:29] SPEAKER_00: They are that is where they are policing, right?
[17:33] SPEAKER_00: That then gives you time to um assess the situation, see what's going on.
[17:38] SPEAKER_00: You can see your dog's just focusing on policing between your feet.
[17:42] SPEAKER_00: It gives the other owner time to call, hopefully, retrieve their dog or call their dog, right?
[17:48] SPEAKER_00: And you know, you can get your dog to the stage.
[17:50] SPEAKER_00: If you just practice this spontaneously on walks without distractions, to start with, you can really get your dog to, you know, with with many of our dogs, they're at the point where they don't even have the desire to see what's behind them.
[18:03] SPEAKER_00: The other dog might be fluttering around and literally they're just like, no, guys, I am here.
[18:07] SPEAKER_00: And you, you know, what we do is we pop a finger through their harness so that we're kind of managing their movement a little bit.
[18:12] SPEAKER_00: And it just works so nicely for just being really clear.
[18:15] SPEAKER_00: Clarity is key in helping that other owner recall their dog.
[18:21] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, it's no good being like, oh, that dog doesn't have a recall as you're, you know, carrying on walking away, or your dog's moving, or your dog's looking at their dog, and then looking away, and then looking at their dog.
[18:34] SPEAKER_00: It would be wonderful if their dog had the recall skills to be able to recall from that, but the fact that they're right on top of you means they don't anyway.
[18:41] SPEAKER_00: So now the way that you help and support your dog is actually going, right?
[18:46] SPEAKER_00: I need to make it as easy as possible for that other owner and that dog to make this unwanted experience as short as possible.
[18:54] SPEAKER_00: Yeah?
[18:55] SPEAKER_00: There's always stuff we can control.
[18:58] SPEAKER_00: We as humans always go to the stuff that we can't control.
[19:02] SPEAKER_00: We go, we we go to the villain mindset, which we all do.
[19:05] SPEAKER_00: I do it, right?
[19:06] SPEAKER_00: Um so I'm not saying, you know, being like, I'm better than you, um, because I'm not.
[19:10] SPEAKER_00: We I do it.
[19:11] SPEAKER_00: And I'm I effectively what then happens is that then there's a process that then gets deployed to be like, okay, what can I control here?
[19:19] SPEAKER_00: And and we focus on that, and you know, bit by bit we see improvement.
[19:23] SPEAKER_00: Now, guys, I hope that is a relief.
[19:27] SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
[19:28] SPEAKER_00: Sometimes it can it can not feel like a relief when we discover that there is thing, there are things that we can control.
[19:35] SPEAKER_00: Um, because now we have influence over it, and now you know, whether we get a good outcome or a bad outcome is a little bit down to us as well, um, rather than just the villain.
[19:45] SPEAKER_00: But I want you to get excited about the fact that what seemed like a completely out of your control scenario, actually, we have influence over it.
[19:54] SPEAKER_00: Not 100%, but we do have influence over it.
[19:57] SPEAKER_00: And if we do enough of those influences, we can influence it to the point that it doesn't happen.
[20:02] SPEAKER_00: All right.
[20:03] SPEAKER_00: So, guys, if you got value from that, let us know.
[20:05] SPEAKER_00: Um, drop us an email, it's team at helpmydog.com.
[20:09] SPEAKER_00: There's way more on this um in the Help My Dog Hub.
[20:13] SPEAKER_00: So make sure to get involved in that.
[20:15] SPEAKER_00: I'd love to like coach you on a much more like intimate, um, personalized level, a much more practical level, um, because there's only so much value I can convey in a podcast.
[20:26] SPEAKER_00: Um, and um, and we will see you next week.

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