# Ep 74 Preparing Your Dog to Welcome a (Skin) Baby & Windy Matilda

An episode of [Help! My Dog: The Podcast. Dog Behaviour & Training Strategies that Work!](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1721245241), 30 Apr 2025, 23 min.

Audio: https://www.buzzsprout.com/2287608/episodes/17026732-ep-74-preparing-your-dog-to-welcome-a-skin-baby-windy-matilda.mp3

A baby is on the way! But this time, it’s a skin baby, not a fur baby! In this episode, we’re diving into how to prepare your dog for this new arrival, whether it’s a long-term addition or just a tiny visitor. From unpredictable sounds to strange new objects, babies bring a whole lot of novelty into a dog’s world. We talk about practical, low-stress ways to help your dog adjust to all the changes even before the ‘novelty machine’ arrives. Whether you’re expecting or have the occasional skin baby visitor, this one’s for anyone looking to make this experience easier for their dog. ................ Whether your dog is unpredictable with other dogs or predictably bad… Whether it looks like freezing, barking, lunging or running away… Whether you are just starting out on your dog-owning journey or your dog has been labelled as having a “behaviour problem”… … this episode is for you and is going to give you huge insights! Want to join the Help! My Dog Online HUB? Here's the link: www.helpmydog.com/hub Dr Tom is a world-renowned veterinarian, behaviourist and dog trainer and director of the Behavet behaviour clinic (rated Excellent on Trustpilot), which sees over 400 pet behaviour consultations each and every month no matter where you are in the world. In 2023, he started Help! My Dog, an online dog behaviour learning platform to help even more owners all over the world and show that dog behaviour transformation is not only possible but it's FUN, with the right know-how! Make sure to subscribe/follow the podcast for the free weekly episodes! Useful Links: Follow Help! My Dog on FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/helpmydogofficial/ Schedule a Consultation with Behavet: https://www.beha.vet/ Follow Behavet on FaceBook: https://www.facebook.com/behavet

## Transcript

[0:00] SPEAKER_00: Matilda's presence was most definitely felt.
[0:03] SPEAKER_00: The three ladies requested to be moved.
[0:06] SPEAKER_00: Oh no! Before we dive in, a warning.
[0:10] SPEAKER_00: The content of this podcast may not be appropriate for some young listeners.
[0:15] SPEAKER_00: This is real life, and that means that sometimes it can be a little bit graphic.
[0:20] SPEAKER_00: So listen on at your own peril.
[0:22] SPEAKER_00: As a veterinarian, dog behaviourist, best-selling author and trainer, over the past decade, I've had an obsession with transforming the behaviour of dogs, understanding their brains and creating practical strategies that you can implement easily at home.
[0:37] SPEAKER_00: I know all too well when the dream you imagined when you first got your dog is far from your daily reality.
[0:44] SPEAKER_00: In fact, out of the blue, a few months ago, my little dog Gorse was bitten by a dog 20 times her size.
[0:51] SPEAKER_00: And suddenly our life of stress-free walks, a calm and cuddly household, and being teammates was replaced with reactivity, anxiety, and worrying about what's around the next corner.
[1:02] SPEAKER_00: I'm Dr.
[1:02] SPEAKER_00: Tom.
[1:03] SPEAKER_00: This is the Help My Dog Podcast, and this is me documenting that journey of transformation, sharing my knowledge and experience with you and having a few laughs along the way.
[1:14] SPEAKER_00: Hello, HMD Fowlery! Welcome to this episode of the Help My Dog podcast.
[1:20] SPEAKER_00: And in today's episode, we are going to be talking about preparing for the arrival of a baby.
[1:30] SPEAKER_00: And I'm talking a skin baby, not a fur baby.
[1:33] SPEAKER_00: And the reason why we talk about this is one is because it's a very important topic, and like I definitely want to get this information out there.
[1:40] SPEAKER_00: But secondly, because literally Madeline and I are like living this right now.
[1:44] SPEAKER_00: We are preparing for the arrival of a skin baby.
[1:50] SPEAKER_00: And so we can, you know, I've taught on this for years and now actually living it as well.
[1:57] SPEAKER_00: Um, and there are certain things that I think are so important to do, and um and so let's devote an entire episode so that there's this resource, you know, that people can use going into the future to, you know, prepare their dogs for either visiting babies or um or permanent babies.
[2:17] SPEAKER_00: Um and um and yeah, you're gonna be like fully prepped on what to do.
[2:21] SPEAKER_00: So, so so so babies, babies, babies.
[2:24] SPEAKER_00: What you've got to think about in preparing dogs for babies is that they're quite they're quite unique, okay?
[2:30] SPEAKER_00: Because um you've probably often heard me refer to them as novelty machines.
[2:36] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, you don't, you really don't know quite what they're gonna do, quite unpredictable, um, and they're unpredictable in quite a high volume way, yeah.
[2:46] SPEAKER_00: So, you know, baby, um, you know, when they're baby babies, it's not such an issue um because they've they've got less things up their sleeves, right?
[2:55] SPEAKER_00: You know, they can't they they can't coordinate their limbs, let alone, you know, do anything like particularly mischievous other than scream, yeah.
[3:03] SPEAKER_00: Um, but I think what we've also got to do is be aware that it we think about like crying and screaming as as novel to our dogs, but don't forget the the stuff that we take for granted.
[3:17] SPEAKER_00: Your dog would have never seen you with a tiny human on your lap, right?
[3:23] SPEAKER_00: Quite possibly.
[3:24] SPEAKER_00: Your dog would have never seen you pick up a tiny human from a like a uh effectively what is to your dog a box.
[3:34] SPEAKER_00: Yeah?
[3:35] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we've got to realize that this is insanely novel for our dogs, and then you've got to realise that these novelty machines, they also come with loads of novel stuff, right?
[3:47] SPEAKER_00: Um, and you know, it's it's eye-opening, like, because this is this is uh our our first skin baby that is arriving, and uh, I've got to stop saying that because people get creaked out by it, but I find it quite funny and it makes me do it more.
[4:00] SPEAKER_00: Um but there there is there's lots of like weird stuff that you need, right?
[4:07] SPEAKER_00: Or that you're told that you need, or that you know, that is available, and uh Madeline and I really aren't into clutter, so we have like kept it to a minimum, but even then, like the the fact that they're now in our house is a rocking Moses basket, like what you know that is weird.
[4:26] SPEAKER_00: Our dogs would have never encountered that before or seen that before necessarily, um, and um and so we've got novelty in that respect.
[4:34] SPEAKER_00: The other kind of way that they bring a lot of novelty into your into lives is um that really what is, even though we don't really have a routine in our house, of course we do have a routine to some extent in that we sleep at night and we're awake in the day as just a general like broad routine, right?
[4:55] SPEAKER_00: Big picture routine.
[4:56] SPEAKER_00: And so you find that schedules get messed up and mixed up, and you know, often they might be different every day as soon as as soon as a little novelty machine is there, right?
[5:08] SPEAKER_00: And so we've got that element, but we've also got the element, which is the bit that we're least looking forward to, of people want to visit baby, right?
[5:17] SPEAKER_00: And so now all of a sudden you have a certain, like normally you have like a certain cadence of visitor coming to your house maybe once a week or once a month or you know, twice a week, whatever it is for you.
[5:28] SPEAKER_00: But now suddenly there's like potentially a bit of a conveyor belt situation going on, right?
[5:34] SPEAKER_00: Um, and again, that is a challenge for your dogs.
[5:37] SPEAKER_00: And so if I what I've what I'm gonna do in this episode, because I could literally talk for a week about ways and strategies and games to prep your dog, but if we boiled it down to five things that literally anybody can do, what would they be?
[5:52] SPEAKER_00: Um so first one uh for the past like couple of months, a few months probably, um, we've made a point of not just like buying the stuff for the baby, but actually building it and putting it up.
[6:06] SPEAKER_00: And that that's better for me because I hate nothing more than building things and like you know having to get rid of all the recycling that things create.
[6:14] SPEAKER_00: It's like there's I hate it, right?
[6:16] SPEAKER_00: I hate reading instructions.
[6:18] SPEAKER_00: I just want to have a go at doing it, it always goes wrong, and then I end up reading the instructions.
[6:23] SPEAKER_00: It's like a whole cycle, it's a pattern of behavior that I am unable to change right now.
[6:28] SPEAKER_00: Um but um we've built when as things have arrived, we built them and then we've just made a point of randomly putting them throughout the house, yeah?
[6:37] SPEAKER_00: Um, and a little top tip for that, we put them close to the walls to start with.
[6:42] SPEAKER_00: Because dogs find things less novel if they're kind of attached to something else in terms of something that they're familiar with.
[6:50] SPEAKER_00: So they're familiar with the walls of your house.
[6:52] SPEAKER_00: So if you're introducing a novel item, well, lean it up against a wall.
[6:56] SPEAKER_00: Dogs are used to things leaning up against a wall.
[6:59] SPEAKER_00: Probably a lot of your furniture is against a wall in some way.
[7:03] SPEAKER_00: Your kitchen cupboards will be against a wall.
[7:05] SPEAKER_00: And so it's less novel if things are against the wall.
[7:09] SPEAKER_00: And it sounds so obvious when I say it, but it's like, oh my god, light bulb, that makes so much sense.
[7:14] SPEAKER_00: So for example, the Rocking Moses basket went and actually that didn't go against the wall, it went on the end of the sofa, right?
[7:21] SPEAKER_00: Because it's attached to something vaguely familiar.
[7:24] SPEAKER_00: But then it kind of moves around every day, and now it's at the point where you're walking around it because it's in the middle of the room, right?
[7:32] SPEAKER_00: Um, and then it might get swapped out for something else, and it'll get swapped out for something else.
[7:37] SPEAKER_00: Um, and the other thing that we've really made a point of doing, which I'll revisit a little bit later on, is I we're both really not messy people, but we've tried our best to sort of have a bit more stuff like lying around and on the floor, okay?
[7:53] SPEAKER_00: Um, because that inevitably, it might not, hopefully not.
[7:56] SPEAKER_00: Hopefully, it'll just be really tidy all the time.
[7:58] SPEAKER_00: I just don't see it happening.
[8:00] SPEAKER_00: Um, that you know, that's gonna be you increasingly become a part of you know how the house is gonna look, which is is okay.
[8:07] SPEAKER_00: I keep telling myself.
[8:08] SPEAKER_00: Um, and so you know, we're trying to incorporate that in there as well.
[8:12] SPEAKER_00: So that's number tip number one.
[8:15] SPEAKER_00: Tip number two, we've taken this opportunity to top up all of our dogs' boundaries, okay, in terms of the boundary games.
[8:22] SPEAKER_00: So get on a bed, stay on a bed, calmly until released from the bed, right?
[8:26] SPEAKER_00: And those of you in the Help My Dog Hub, you you know, you've got access to that ultimate boundaries course, which is the step-by-step that gets you from wherever you wherever you're starting from to a dog that gets on a bed, stays on a bed, no matter the distraction, until released, right?
[8:42] SPEAKER_00: Um, and they can even sleep on the bed, and you know, they you don't have to, you know, pop them into any kind of containment like a crate or a puppy man because they just get on a bed, stay on a bed calmly until release.
[8:51] SPEAKER_00: It's like it's a game changer.
[8:52] SPEAKER_00: Um and we started to top up our dogs um on their boundaries.
[8:56] SPEAKER_00: But what we've also started to do, hey guys, I just want to take a moment to answer a question that has been coming in in literally 10 emails a day, and that is how can we help you with your dog's behavior struggle, whether that be reactivity, separation, anxiety, resource guarding, maybe you've got multi-dog household struggle right now, maybe your dog's just so over aroused on a walk that they just can't listen to you and they're chasing everything inside.
[9:21] SPEAKER_00: Like, can I get Tom's help?
[9:23] SPEAKER_00: Um, and the answer is that actually you can, and you can do that by booking a behavet behavior consultation.
[9:31] SPEAKER_00: That's where literally my team give you the plan on how to transform your struggle and get you to that dream that that made you get a dog in the first place, right?
[9:41] SPEAKER_00: Your world's got smaller and smaller and smaller, and actually it doesn't need to be that way.
[9:45] SPEAKER_00: You just need to reach out for help.
[9:47] SPEAKER_00: Now, a couple of things to say on that.
[9:49] SPEAKER_00: First of all, if you're insured, if your dog's insured with Pet Plan, Kennel Club, Agria, or many pets, we actually do direct claims with them, which means that that's covered by your insurance.
[9:59] SPEAKER_00: So you don't you don't pay out of your pocket, your insurance covers that.
[10:04] SPEAKER_00: And the second thing to say is that we have loads of options if you're insured with another provider, or if your dog's not insured at all, that's also totally fine.
[10:12] SPEAKER_00: We have loads of options that we've developed to make this so accessible for you.
[10:16] SPEAKER_00: Um because we're aware that you've already invested a load of time and a load of money in getting your dog, looking after your dog, caring for your dog.
[10:23] SPEAKER_00: But the last thing we want is for you to have done all that and still not be living the life that you deserve with your dog.
[10:28] SPEAKER_00: And we know we can get you there.
[10:29] SPEAKER_00: So all you need to do is go to the Behave Vet website, and the way to do that is go B-E-H-A.V-E-T.
[10:39] SPEAKER_00: That's behot vet and it will take you there, or just Google Behave Vet, right?
[10:45] SPEAKER_00: Um, and you can get scheduled in and we can literally get you booked in for a consultation as soon as possible.
[10:52] SPEAKER_00: We normally can accommodate it within a week, right?
[10:54] SPEAKER_00: So that you can be getting to your dream ASAP.
[10:57] SPEAKER_00: What we've also started to do is top up our dog's boundaries in the presence of this equipment that is around, right?
[11:04] SPEAKER_00: And so um, and so we um we're kind of making it, you know, slowly, slowly more and more real life.
[11:12] SPEAKER_00: Um third tip that I've got for you.
[11:15] SPEAKER_00: It's been so hard to pick five, but I'm gonna I'm gonna stick to five, I promise.
[11:19] SPEAKER_00: Third tip that I've um that I've got for you is that we quite early on in finding out that a skin baby was arriving, um well ahead of um due date, we made sure that we got the baby some wheels, okay?
[11:37] SPEAKER_00: So um the baby has like a little pram thing, and um you see how like technical I am about this.
[11:43] SPEAKER_00: This is just how we roll in with it.
[11:46] SPEAKER_00: Um, and um and what we've made a point of doing is with our dogs on the boundaries, with like a passive calming activity, long-lasting chew, stuffed cong or whatever, is we just randomly, you know, wheel it through the kitchen um and uh we do like a little um assault course.
[12:04] SPEAKER_00: I keep joking with Madeline that I'm gonna she needs to practice because I'm gonna do like a um uh a test um where I'm gonna put an obstacle course and she has to navigate.
[12:13] SPEAKER_00: We're gonna put like a fake baby in there and she has to navigate the obstacle course and then she'll get a license because um only licensed people will be allowed to uh operate the uh operate the pram.
[12:24] SPEAKER_00: Um she doesn't seem too keen on the idea, but maybe we'll put this in the pram and she can then she can be one of the assessors where she says like how comfortable the journey was.
[12:34] SPEAKER_00: Anyway, um sort of thing that we get up to.
[12:38] SPEAKER_00: Um so um we you know we're wheeling it around, we're rewarding the dogs for being on the boundaries, but the key is they've already got their long-lasting chews, so they've it's easier for them to disengage from here because they've got something to engage with.
[12:51] SPEAKER_00: Um, what we'll then do is we'll start to um we should really get on with this actually.
[12:56] SPEAKER_00: Um, even we leave, you know, training sometimes to the last minute, like keeping it real.
[13:01] SPEAKER_00: Um what we will what we'll then start to do is um potentially start to bring the um the pram with us on some of our regular walks, um, so that the dogs just get used to the fact that this thing even leaves the house and come comes with us.
[13:16] SPEAKER_00: Um and um and I think that'll be really important for the little dogs to be honest, like thistle and gorse, because it's quite like it's quite a big scary thing that suddenly you know you're you're having to walk next to.
[13:27] SPEAKER_00: Um and so don't underestimate just what we take for granted is very weird to our dogs.
[13:34] SPEAKER_00: So that was that number three.
[13:35] SPEAKER_00: I think that was number three.
[13:36] SPEAKER_00: So number four, um, we have started.
[13:40] SPEAKER_00: Well, we I say we have started, we have been doing it, the baby crying stuff, okay?
[13:46] SPEAKER_00: Now, really important with the baby crying stuff, because I I see this done often, like it used to be, I don't know if you these even exist anymore, but it used to be people would buy these CDs of a baby crying.
[13:58] SPEAKER_00: Um, and the problem with it was that that's not really what we're working.
[14:03] SPEAKER_00: We're not specifically working on a specific baby crying and our dogs being comfortable with that specific baby, right?
[14:10] SPEAKER_00: Or that specific like way that they're crying.
[14:13] SPEAKER_00: What I'm more interested in is novelty and the fact that it's going to be unpredictable, and that's the piece that we've got to work on.
[14:22] SPEAKER_00: So, actually, what I find works really well is, and I'll I actually find TikTok really useful for this because the videos are very short, is just search on TikTok, babies crying.
[14:34] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, that's what makes up my TikTok search history, babies crying.
[14:38] SPEAKER_00: Um, and and you'll get a different baby every time, but you can flick through the babies as well and find a cry that you like, right?
[14:45] SPEAKER_00: Um, but you're gonna just have it, you know, nice and low, and all I would do is I would just uh spontaneously do it, yeah.
[14:52] SPEAKER_00: Yeah, babies cry for a you know a long time sometimes.
[14:57] SPEAKER_00: Um, but the point is it's more that zero to crying, yeah?
[15:01] SPEAKER_00: Silence to crying that can be quite startling to your dogs.
[15:05] SPEAKER_00: Um and so what we do is occasionally, you know, when they're on the boundaries and um they um they have their long-lasting chews potentially, and especially in the early days of starting this, TikTok babies crying, they all get fed, right?
[15:20] SPEAKER_00: They all get a piece of food or a couple of pieces of food.
[15:23] SPEAKER_00: And what I want to see is not that they don't explode, because they they don't explode, definitely don't want them to explode, but what I want them to see is that they acknowledge it, they hear it, and they go back to chewing.
[15:34] SPEAKER_00: Okay, that's really the key.
[15:36] SPEAKER_00: I'm interested in them being disturbed by it.
[15:38] SPEAKER_00: It's fine to be mildly offended by a baby crying.
[15:41] SPEAKER_00: I'm mildly offended by a baby crying because that's the cry is purposefully that way, right?
[15:46] SPEAKER_00: Because that baby needs help and or thinks they need help.
[15:50] SPEAKER_00: And so um they can be mildly offended, but then what I'm really interested in is that pathway in their brain that's like, now I go back to resettling.
[15:59] SPEAKER_00: This is how I make myself feel more comfortable about this experience.
[16:02] SPEAKER_00: I go back to chewing, I go back to licking, I go back to trying to get the food out of the Kong, right?
[16:08] SPEAKER_00: Um, and then what we'll do, and we've you know we've done it, um, some of the dogs would they they've still got passive calming activities for this um exercise, but then what we'll do is some dogs, some of the dogs now don't need the passive calming activities.
[16:21] SPEAKER_00: They just like I'm aware, and then I go back to being, I go back to being asleep.
[16:25] SPEAKER_00: I'm aware, and then I go back to being asleep.
[16:28] SPEAKER_00: Um fifth thing, and I think nobody talks about this, and I think it's it's really crucial, is we've taken the opportunity to get our dogs used to being sleeping in different areas, being, you know, being contained in different areas of the house, moving them around, you know, popping them, you know, randomly popping them in in a room that they don't normally go in and seeing that they settle.
[16:56] SPEAKER_00: Why?
[16:57] SPEAKER_00: Because really what we're creating is uh our options, right?
[17:02] SPEAKER_00: If what we don't want to find ourselves in a situation, let's say one of the dogs, one of the eight dogs, really struggles, you know, no matter how much we prepped, really struggles with the baby at some point in their first like few years of life, right?
[17:17] SPEAKER_00: And what if actually we'd not set up a situation where we can give that dog space or move that dog to a different area or give that dog bucket emptying time because they won't tolerate being in a particular space or being separated, or their their separation is not robust enough for us to make great decisions.
[17:39] SPEAKER_00: And this is one that we really commonly see in the behaviour clinic where you know my dog is absolutely petrified of my toddler, and I'm worried that they may bide my toddler, but my dog is absolutely petrified of being separated from us when we're in the house.
[17:54] SPEAKER_00: You're stuck, right?
[17:55] SPEAKER_00: You're stuck until we fix it, right?
[17:57] SPEAKER_00: And we do fix it.
[17:58] SPEAKER_00: So don't worry if that's you, and you're like, oh no, it says I'm stuck, right?
[18:01] SPEAKER_00: You're stuck temporarily stuck, yeah.
[18:02] SPEAKER_00: Stuck today, not tomorrow.
[18:04] SPEAKER_00: Um, but the um the point is is that's just because you've not got options, and there's nothing worse than not having options, right?
[18:12] SPEAKER_00: So um what we're doing is we're actively making our dogs even more separation solid, yeah.
[18:18] SPEAKER_00: Just randomly like releasing them off the boundary and popping them in the downstairs toilet for 20 minutes and seeing that they can go to lie down and go to sleep just automatically in in downstairs toilet, yeah?
[18:32] SPEAKER_00: You know, so that I don't know what when might we need that?
[18:35] SPEAKER_00: Well, I don't know, baby like punamis happened and it's like we need to change this baby right now, and um we're you know, I don't know, we're thinking um no dog needs to be exposed to that experience, right?
[18:49] SPEAKER_00: And so again, like just chuck them in whatever room, but that but that's built up before baby arrives, and it's built up in really bite-sized chunks so that it's real life ready when it needs to be real life ready.
[19:02] SPEAKER_00: I would say that is almost like a not even just a baby-specific life skill that will make your life a lot easier.
[19:09] SPEAKER_00: Options are powerful, right?
[19:11] SPEAKER_00: We had a situation only today where um I forgot that the gate was open and suddenly there was this guy with this massive parcel, yeah, um, that had that had arrived, and you couldn't you could just see legs and this big box.
[19:29] SPEAKER_00: Now, the nice thing is is that I could just be say to the dogs, right, just hop up on your boundaries while I go see what this box with legs is.
[19:36] SPEAKER_00: But again, it's just like another novel scenario.
[19:38] SPEAKER_00: If your dogs aren't ready for for that level of of boundary like robustness, well, how about can we just pop them behind the nearest door while you go and deal with box with legs?
[19:48] SPEAKER_00: It's built up just throughout the day, um, but you've got to be proactive, otherwise you're being reactive in the situation.
[19:56] SPEAKER_00: So if I had to boil down like what are the five tips that I think every owner should do um that are really gonna help, I'd say it's those.
[20:03] SPEAKER_00: Um, but obviously there are many, many more.
[20:06] SPEAKER_00: Um, but those are the ones that are like accessible, easy for me to share right now, and probably the ones that are gonna make the biggest difference.
[20:13] SPEAKER_00: Now, on the subject of the biggest difference, sometimes people email in wishing that a big difference had happened and it had not.
[20:22] SPEAKER_00: And that's in the form of the cringe stories, where we celebrate the fact that we brought dogs into our lives for joy and unpredictability and uncertainty.
[20:30] SPEAKER_00: Sometimes we forget that along the way and we see these crazy things that they do as problems, whereas actually, like, you know, we could laugh about them and think, hee hee, that happened.
[20:39] SPEAKER_00: Um, so let's hear today's cringe story.
[20:47] SPEAKER_00: Thanks for the help I had with the 10-day program and Thrive in 2025 challenge.
[20:52] SPEAKER_00: Yay! Awesome.
[20:54] SPEAKER_00: Matilda is doing really well, around 80 to 90% improvement.
[20:58] SPEAKER_00: That is awesome.
[20:59] SPEAKER_00: That is so cool.
[21:00] SPEAKER_00: I thought I'd share a cringe story from when my French bulldog Matilda was a puppy.
[21:05] SPEAKER_00: I enjoy eating out with friends and wanted Matilda to be a part of this, so took her to a very nice restaurant nearby.
[21:12] SPEAKER_00: Every time we'd been in there, she'd been adored by the staff and other guests, with staff members seeking out our table to tell her how beautiful she is.
[21:20] SPEAKER_00: This particular day though, Matilda was a little windy and repeatedly let out puffs.
[21:27] SPEAKER_00: Oh, oh, which didn't matter because she was a very she was very a very oh it was a very quiet afternoon with not many people around at that time of day until three elderly elderly ladies came and sat at the table right next to us.
[21:46] SPEAKER_00: They didn't have a dog, so could have sat anywhere in the venue.
[21:49] SPEAKER_00: After about half an hour during which Matilda's present was most pr pr present Matilda's presence was most definitely felt.
[21:58] SPEAKER_01: The three ladies requested to be moved.
[22:00] SPEAKER_01: Oh no! We were very we very quickly paid the bill and left.
[22:05] SPEAKER_01: It was a favourite restaurant of mine, but I haven't been back since.
[22:08] SPEAKER_00: No, go back, it's fine, it's fine, I'm sure.
[22:13] SPEAKER_00: And that is an awesome cringe story.
[22:15] SPEAKER_00: Thanks for sending that in.
[22:16] SPEAKER_00: Now, guys, if you've got a cringe story that's funny, that's rude, that's not funny or rude, but actually just really cringy, um, then please email it in so that we can celebrate um the challenges that we face as dog owners rather than feel um ashamed of them.
[22:32] SPEAKER_00: And all you've got to do to email them in is cringe at helpmydog.com.
[22:36] SPEAKER_00: That's cringe at helpmydog.com.
[22:38] SPEAKER_01: And you might get a shout out on the podcast and you might even win a mug.
[22:42] SPEAKER_01: We will see you next time, guys.
[22:44] SPEAKER_01: Have an amazing, amazing week.

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