# Ep. 8 Erec Smith: A Diversity Trainer Speaks Out Against DEI

An episode of [The John Stossel Interviews](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1716997530), 4 Mar 2024, 31 min.

Audio: https://anchor.fm/s/e5139634/podcast/play/83390175/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2024-1-29%2F369270893-44100-2-f5d724238e12.m4a

You’ve been hearing about DEI training. It’s supposed to make us aware of our unconscious prejudice. But Rhetoric Professor and former diversity trainer Erec Smith tells me today's DEI training does more harm than good. "If you can keep this race thing going," he explains, "then you will always have a business in getting rid of racism.”

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