# When AI Fights, the War Never Ends — Myriam Dunn Cavelty

An episode of [The IR thinker](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1716817337), 23 Jun 2026, 1 h 03 min.

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Artificial intelligence is redrawing the boundaries of cybersecurity — accelerating attacks, complicating attribution, and compressing the time humans have to make decisions that matter. In this episode, Myriam Dunn Cavelty of ETH Zurich examines AI-driven conflict, the politics behind critical infrastructure protection, the limits of European governance, and what it means when cyber war has no clear start and no clear finish. Myriam Dunn Cavelty is a Senior Scientist at the Centre for Security Studies at Swiss Federal Institute of Technology Zurich. Her research examines the political and societal implications of digital technologies, with a particular focus on cyber security, cyber warfare, critical infrastructure protection, and technology governance. She also serves as co-editor-in-chief of Contemporary Security Policy. Selected Publications • The evolution of cyberconflict studies • The politics of cyber security • Cyber security politics: Socio-technological transformations and political fragmentation • Cybersecurity in Switzerland • Cyber-security and threat politics: US efforts to secure the information age Recommended article: • Cyber War Will Not Take Place Chapters 00:00 - Introduction 01:55 - What Actually Counts as Critical Infrastructure in the Age of AI? 07:58 - ENISA: Europe's Cybersecurity Watchdog — Triumphs, Failures, and Missed Opportunities 13:00 - Does the World Need a Global Cybersecurity Regulator? 14:43 - Hacked Nations: Geopolitical Coercion, Hybrid Warfare, and Strategic Signalling 25:48 - Is Cybersecurity a Political Problem Dressed Up as a Technical One? 32:31 - War Without End: Why AI-Driven Conflict Has No Clear Start, No Clear Finish 38:27 - Who Did It? The Dangerous Art of Attribution in Cyber Warfare 43:58 - The Speed Problem: When AI Makes Decisions Faster Than Humans Can Think 48:33 - Arming the Enemy: What Happens When Open-Source AI Falls Into the Wrong Hands? 52:00 - Measuring the Unmeasurable: How Do You Rank a Country's Cyber Power? 58:27 - The Blind Spots of AI Cybersecurity Research Topics Follow & Further Resources Substack: https://theirthinker.substack.com/ LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/theirthinker/ X: https://x.com/theirthinker Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/theirthinker/ Bluesky: https://bsky.app/profile/theirthinker.bsky.social Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/theirthinker/ Hosted on Acast. See acast.com/privacy for more information.

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