# The Obi One Podcast

A podcast by John Obi Mikel and Chris McHardy. Welcome to The Obi One Podcast. Join Chelsea and Nigeria legend, John Obi Mikel, as he chats candidly to the game’s biggest names. From former team-mates, to his greatest rivals, to some of today’s current heroes. Alongside Chris McHardy, renowned sports broadcaster, the pair bring you the dressing room secrets, the untold stories, the in-jokes and the disagreements. Make sure to download The Obi One Podcast for free on your preferred podcast platform NOW. You can also watch every episode - in full - on our YouTube channel - @obionepodcast

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## Latest episodes

- [Mikel’s Spurs ‘told you so’: disgraceful Fernandes & United’s Conte warning](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/ae47ac4ca297) (2026-10-27, 79 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/128171768/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-9-27%2Fd6c97d48-967d-b62d-32c0-401af587304c.mp3
- [André Ayew EXCLUSIVE: GFA Presidency Bid, Essien’s Brilliance & How Suarez ‘Killed’ Ghana’s Dream](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/fa24d6b79e35) (2026-10-19, 69 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/127707756/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-9-19%2F53836eea-f0f0-43de-0030-51bc84f8d6fe.mp3
- [Chelsea boast ‘best in the league’, City ruling a MUST & Ronaldo verdict](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/9044767222e3) (2026-10-13, 76 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/127379855/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-9-13%2Feff63baa-31f6-8098-7309-8b776744fab2.mp3
- [Willian EXCLUSIVE: No Chelsea Regret, Lampard Love & Broken Arteta Promises](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/11dca0787837) (2026-10-05, 60 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/126852878/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-9-5%2Fcbb0e9fa-05e3-8198-71c1-a0349e62989d.mp3
- [‘Don’t be naïve’: Obi Mikel reacts to Man City’s GUILTY verdict | names his Ballon d’Or winner](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/9860bc01b362) (2026-09-28, 51 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/126416227/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-8-28%2F798ecfd3-a41e-8518-2d66-ebc3bc1ec694.mp3
- [André Villas-Boas EXCLUSIVE: Bombshell Chelsea Revelations, Levy’s Tactics & His Porto Masterplan](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/f65f929cc2fd) (2026-09-22, 78 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/126125312/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-8-22%2F2c73c227-2625-3d59-4861-f095475d1594.mp3
- [‘They don’t know the rules’: Mikel’s VAR & throw-ins rage, Chelsea backing & Okocha plea](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/ee350b832f7b) (2026-09-16, 72 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/125807046/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-8-16%2F414fd133-5d5d-cd08-1bc0-429d74216663.mp3
- [Obafemi Martins EXCLUSIVE: Learning from Ronaldo, Arsenal heartbreak & Osimhen appreciation](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/72c0a7d0c4b8) (2026-08-31, 51 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/124967788/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-31%2F07c67289-eca3-2f05-a87e-38384dbdee8e.mp3
- [‘Get Martinez NOW’! Mikel slams Sanchez, picks Enzo’s replacement & defends Watkins](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/cf3d02a26e9d) (2026-08-28, 89 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/124847623/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-28%2F47b9939d-c510-4037-73fa-1a24b4ac1f62.mp3
- [Jay-Jay Okocha EXCLUSIVE: Mentoring Ronaldinho, Bolton Madness & Real Madrid ‘Rejection’](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/a0135302293b) (2026-08-17, 92 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/124324202/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-17%2Ff5a99195-dd93-c27e-98da-5e439f45522b.mp3
- [John Obi Mikel returns to break down the biggest stories in world football.](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/bae17e8b7f7b) (2026-08-11, 58 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/124061385/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-11%2F251c585b-1477-05f4-4703-8bd16c0764df.mp3
- [Mikel is BACK: Inside Alonso’s Chelsea revolution, Arsenal’s Vini Jnr reality check](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/5f0958fa8d8a) (2026-08-04, 76 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/123740800/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-7-4%2Fc42319db-ae85-fc63-3e05-a5970c78ffc1.mp3
- [‘They deserved it’: Arsenal humble Mikel, Pep v Sir Alex, Xabi Alonso coup & why Salah is RIGHT!](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/6ffa122baa57) (2026-05-20, 74 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/120274690/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-4-20%2F25aaac28-237f-9f9c-efd8-8c8f0668a2f3.mp3
- [‘Chelsea’s DNA gone’: Palmer ‘lost’, players want out & zero direction | What now? 🫣](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/5ed8453685cc) (2026-05-07, 64 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119626744/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-4-7%2F423667205-44100-2-cf18d9ee6389.mp3
- [‘Chelsea’s DNA gone’: Palmer ‘lost’, players want out & zero direction | What now? 🫣](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/d6976ccf86e1) (2026-05-05, 63 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119508732/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-4-5%2F45461edc-29bd-9dea-a401-254344537497.mp3
- [Chelsea in Crisis: FA Cup salvation, JT’s snub & why Filipe Luís should be boss](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/ea2dec416d56) (2026-04-27, 77 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216892/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103375-44100-2-993b22c14f6f9a26.mp3
- [Arteta’s worries & Rosenior’s woes: Obi Mikel reacts as Arsenal cede title control & Chelsea lose again](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/4b09eced7784) (2026-04-20, 69 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216881/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103355-44100-2-9d169a1a025afa52.mp3
- [Chokers, Cherki & Chelsea: ‘I told you so’ as Obi Mikel talks Arsenal, Pep’s secret weapon & Delap](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/fec573f75204) (2026-04-13, 78 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216886/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103368-44100-2-c141b6f18d67109c.mp3
- [Obi Mikel wants Rosenior OUT on one condition, shock Spurs admission & blasts CAF decision-makers](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/f71009df7e26) (2026-04-01, 74 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216877/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103356-44100-2-cacaac87decf185c.mp3
- [Mariga & Wanyama Exclusive: Pochettino’s Special Talent, Fatherly José & Eto’o Africa’s GOAT](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/efb8591a3704) (2026-03-19, 60 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216831/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103286-44100-2-ed9a02096fa3dd82.mp3
- [Salomon Kalou Exclusive: Abramovich’s Secret House, Drogba’s Ferrari & THAT Ballack Punch-Up](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/a11a7a9f5ef0) (2026-03-05, 89 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216878/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103315-44100-2-413512d4fdfc7116.mp3
- [Obi Mikel ERUPTS: Arsenal’s ‘cheat code’ a sign of Arteta’s ‘lazy coaching’](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/256d841bec42) (2026-03-03, 91 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216879/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103320-44100-2-13032aeb7d6421df.mp3
- [Obi Mikel’s verdict: Arsenal Still Lacking | Defending Rosenior | José (& Clattenburg) v Vini Jnr](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/5a7add195cc3) (2026-02-23, 68 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216864/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103314-44100-2-53b9af4b8371f283.mp3
- [Luís Figo reveals all: ‘No - Ronaldo played with ME!’, the mental toll of that Barca-Real transfer & the greatest Galactico](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/69c294a27e41) (2026-02-19, 52 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216842/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103300-44100-2-d83943517643a86f.mp3
- [Wilfried Bony: Secret Wenger Meeting | Rejecting Arsenal | Yaya v Drogba | Magic Of Winning AFCON](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/ff8f82d25192) (2026-02-05, 47 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216815/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103284-44100-2-737180ae726545d5.mp3
- [Diego Costa Exclusive: ‘Nobody Liked Conte At Chelsea’ | Mourinho V Simeone | Why Bad Boy Image Was Unfair](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/7ade267cb76a) (2026-01-22, 33 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216819/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103295-44100-2-84b259b713921a46.mp3
- [Atiba Hutchinson: Besiktas legend on life under Solskjaer | Mourinho & Osimhen verdicts](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/4ac51bc35edd) (2026-01-08, 27 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216823/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103327-44100-2-91e5efa608bf11b7.mp3
- [New Year, New Managers: Chelsea Chaos, United Ownership Mess & Osimhen’s Passion](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/ec20535146d9) (2026-01-08, 71 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216876/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103357-44100-2-4efd6ccb06f28c70.mp3
- [Advice for Maresca, Salah backing & Nigeria home truths](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/dc7f51531856) (2025-12-16, 100 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216903/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103378-44100-2-b3eea8594547cfc1.mp3
- [Gary Lineker Unfiltered: BBC Row, Sh*tting Himself & Why Ronaldo Isn’t On Messi’s ‘Level’](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/6b73cf32d6a8) (2025-12-11, 85 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216824/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103324-44100-1-ff55b6f2677bc7ba.mp3
- [Chelsea ‘better than’ Arsenal, finally the ‘real’ Reece James & unsung hero Pedro Neto](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/5f88d4bc413f) (2025-12-01, 66 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216883/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103384-44100-2-94152fae7fecade7.mp3
- [Obi Mikel meets Roberto Carlos: Inside story of Real Madrid’s Galacticos, Beckham’s brilliance & Ronaldo’s ‘98 woes](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/8113d0f6e20a) (2025-11-27, 49 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216856/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103354-44100-2-a62b42fab909a12f.mp3
- [The death of Nigeria’s World Cup dream: ‘Voodoo’ farce, NFF cull & a future Obi Mikel role?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/66475adf9875) (2025-11-19, 52 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216809/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103291-44100-1-c6834c1dd5c4370c.mp3
- [John Terry RETURNS: ‘Disgraceful’ Abramovich treatment, Diego Costa shithousery & his dream Chelsea signing](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/aef55fe916e8) (2025-11-13, 84 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216896/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103367-44100-2-2ddb9f5b6d79dbb5.mp3
- [Chelsea trio ‘best in the world’, absurd Guardiola criticism & same old Arsenal?](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/25cfd48cf22c) (2025-11-10, 67 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216927/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103377-44100-2-612646e11649bfb3.mp3
- [Filipe Luís exclusive: Simeone’s Genius, How I Beat Chelsea & My Managerial Secrets](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/3f4761093624) (2025-10-30, 36 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216830/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103309-44100-2-152e2efbaad1d9b6.mp3
- [Chelsea’s biggest issue explained, ‘Arsenal’s title to lose’ & Nigeria’s ref controversy](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/f5e553403be7) (2025-10-29, 70 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216861/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103319-44100-2-f8f525cbfae57fb1.mp3
- [Zico exclusive: Why I’d pick Cristiano over Messi and Africa’s greatest ever is…](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/9e2e41931989) (2025-10-16, 13 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216806/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103278-44100-2-5684c5cf672e15a9.mp3
- [Enzo-ball claims ‘biggest scalp’? Caicedo the ‘world’s best’](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/fb48d0f31050) (2025-10-08, 45 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216836/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103318-44100-2-62101608bfb5ba17.mp3
- [Obi Mikel meets Oscar: Snubbing Spurs for Chelsea, Conte’s ‘12th man’ & REAL reason for China move](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/f3fee5839bce) (2025-10-02, 53 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216863/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103341-44100-2-3dfa82acadf3727a.mp3
- [John Obi Mikel: Ill discipline KILLING Chelsea & Maresca; why Amorim is a ‘dead man walking’](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/6c075d1e80d6) (2025-09-30, 63 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216854/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103326-44100-2-33d012a723ee02a5.mp3
- [Chelsea’s BIG goalkeeper ‘regret’, Mourinho’s fibbing & Arteta’s ‘handbrake’](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/99a70bd147e7) (2025-09-25, 56 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216853/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103345-44100-2-15139e68cbbced7f.mp3
- [John Obi Mikel is BACK! Garnacho verdict, Donnarumma regret & Nigeria anger 😡](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/e980c94c10bd) (2025-09-11, 67 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216867/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103348-44100-2-5bd6de88799d21e5.mp3
- [Peter Crouch exclusive: ‘Falling short’ at Liverpool, Gerrard ‘cheating’ with Torres & struggles over ‘the way he looked’](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/07c662562d8e) (2025-08-19, 52 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216848/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103328-44100-2-37784767b25ccdfa.mp3
- [Eni Aluko speaks her truth: Barton, Racism & FIFA’s eligibility rules](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/062684e6817d) (2025-08-01, 59 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216860/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103323-44100-2-a6fc613d28daf9c0.mp3
- [Jimmy Floyd Hasselbaink: Why I’d pick Jackson over Osimhen](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/b1cdb6ca9b99) (2025-07-03, 52 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216844/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103308-44100-2-8bdd29ab78a00e65.mp3
- [Andy Cole exclusive: Keegan feud, the REAL reason he never took pens & Hojlund v Zirkzee](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/6c85965325fb) (2025-06-19, 71 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216891/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103371-44100-2-dfb8deb0511bf52c.mp3
- [John Obi Mikel v Robbie Lyle: AFTV supremo gives his Arteta verdict & ‘snubs’ Drogba](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/e6ee06ff715c) (2025-06-05, 80 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216882/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103353-44100-2-3d659634974954d5.mp3
- [Mission accomplished… for now: Obi Mikel’s Chelsea UCL verdict & Team of the Season](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/6a5bed8fae37) (2025-05-28, 48 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216852/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103335-44100-2-ee570fc14b69d268.mp3
- [Nani exclusive: Swimming races with Ronaldo, becoming Fergie’s taxi driver & Messi trolling](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1714220587/b33534587a56) (2025-05-22, 41 min): audio https://anchor.fm/s/1120a9b4c/podcast/play/119216873/https%3A%2F%2Fd3ctxlq1ktw2nl.cloudfront.net%2Fstaging%2F2026-3-29%2F423103376-44100-2-b19d52be51ba913e.mp3

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