# 208: Can We Survive without Smart Phones? with Andrew Dugan

An episode of [Paring Down: Realistic minimalism, decluttering, & intentional living](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1713108995), 9 Sep 2026, 41 min.

Audio: https://traffic.megaphone.fm/CTL7499033849.mp3

What happens when you stop letting your phone dictate your attention? Andrew Dugan joins me to share his journey from smartphone dependency to creating a minimalist smartwatch—and we explore how technology can affect our mental health, focus, sleep, and relationships. If you’ve ever felt like your devices take more than they give, this conversation offers a fresh perspective on using technology more intentionally rather than trying to get rid of it completely. ANDREW DUGAN: Visit RIST.WATCH to order the simplified smartwatch PARING DOWN (SHANNON LEYKO): PREORDER MY BOOK, Don't Save the Good Stuff, HERE! Coming April 2027. Join the special book email list for behind-the-scenes and opportunities to help get the word out! Sign up for my newsletter! The L.E.S.S. Express Website: www.shannonleyko.com Instagram: @shannonleyko TikTok: @shannon_leyko Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@shannonleyko Facebook: www.facebook.com/shannonleyko.paringdown Substack: Blog & Additional Support (free trial!) TAKE THE QUIZ!! "What's Your Decluttering Type?" & receive a customized playlist with 10 episodes of Paring Down for your exact needs. PARING DOWN RESOURCES: CLICK HERE for free checklist, hacks, worksheet, & more! SPONSORS: 20% off your first subscription order of AG1 Next Gen or AG1 Pro at drinkag1.com/paring Have someone take your clutter! Book your free in-person estimate today at 1800gotjunk.com or call 1-800-468-5865 Join Wayfair Rewards today to get 5% back on every purchase: https://www.wayfair.com/ Ethical, luxury women's clothing at Quince.com/paring for 365-day returns, plus free shipping on your order! Get 15% off your first order of organic bedsheets and more at Boll & Branch (https://BollAndBranch.com/paring) plus free shipping with code PARING Zenni Optical offers beautiful eye glasses starting at just $30- (https://zenni.com/PODCAST) use code PODCAST15 for 15% off your first order Green Chef is the leading sustainable meal kit - (https://Greenchef.com/50paring) use code 50paring to get 50% off your first month, then 20% off for two months Make custom gifts with Zazzle - save 25% on your first order (https://Zazzle.com) K12 Powered Schools offers tuition-free virtual public school- Enroll online today (https://K12.com/paring) 20% OFF any AquaTru water purifier when you go to AquaTru.com and use promo code PARING $300 off Air Doctor Pro air purifier: https://airdoctorpro.com/ - Use code PARING Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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