# Before the Ink Dries | EP 5 | Season 2

An episode of [Burden of Guilt](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1711277020), 11 Mar 2026, 29 min.

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Bobby Gumpright’s confession surfaces as Jermaine Hudson’s case is under review. It comes at the moment Jermaine is ready to plead guilty to a crime he didn’t commit, just to escape prison. You can reach out to the Burden of Guilt team at Burdenofguiltpod@gmail.com. For more Burden of Guilt, follow us on Instagram @glasspodcasts. Please continue to follow the work of the Promise of Justice Initiative online at https://promiseofjustice.org, on Instagram and Twitter at @justicespromise, and on Facebook and Bluesky at @promiseofjustice See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

## Transcript

[0:03] Speaker 1: Jermaine has told us about the moments he lost while
[0:06] Speaker 1: incarcerated at Angola, But it wasn't only life that passed
[0:09] Speaker 1: him by. He also missed moments of death, the chance
[0:13] Speaker 1: to come together, to mourn and to find solace in
[0:16] Speaker 1: a community.
[0:18] Speaker 2: Who died while you were incarcerated.
[0:21] Speaker 3: I lost my older brother. I lost a favorite nephew.
[0:25] Speaker 3: He got killed, he got murdered. I lost favorite aunties,
[0:32] Speaker 3: my oldest sister. She used to bring my daughter and
[0:36] Speaker 3: she was like, I'm coming to see you after New
[0:39] Speaker 3: Year's I said, okay, I call home Christmas. We talked
[0:45] Speaker 3: that morning. I called back home later. It wasn't even
[0:50] Speaker 3: no more than four hours later. She was dead. They
[0:54] Speaker 3: said she caught a heart attack on her job.
[0:56] Speaker 2: How do you receive that news.
[0:59] Speaker 3: The chaplain department will call for you and call you
[1:03] Speaker 3: in the church, and it will tell you your brother
[1:07] Speaker 3: such and such beast away. It hadn't got to a
[1:10] Speaker 3: point to him when they called me. I wouldn't even
[1:12] Speaker 3: go because I knew why they was calling me. But
[1:15] Speaker 3: it didn't hurt me when they died, because I was
[1:18] Speaker 3: so numb to the fact of me being incarcerated. I
[1:22] Speaker 3: didn't want that to affect me. If I were to
[1:25] Speaker 3: start grieving over that, I don't know what I probably
[1:30] Speaker 3: would have been involved in or did while I was
[1:33] Speaker 3: at those moments in time.
[1:35] Speaker 2: You needed to stay numb to stay alive. Yeah, you
[1:39] Speaker 2: had a steel box around your heart and if you
[1:42] Speaker 2: open it for anything.
[1:44] Speaker 3: It was gonna destroy me.
[1:56] Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Glass. This is Burden of Guilt, Season to
[2:00] Speaker 1: episode five, before the Ink drives, Jermaine Hudson didn't have
[2:08] Speaker 1: a lot of hope of ever leaving prison, but in
[2:11] Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, a confluence of events changed everything. Bobby
[2:19] Speaker 1: Gumpride entered a residential Christian rehab called a Place of
[2:23] Speaker 1: Restoration and told his entire story to the director, Jeremy Smith.
[2:28] Speaker 1: Alarmed at the idea of an innocent man in prison,
[2:32] Speaker 1: the director reached out to the DA's office, hoping they'd
[2:35] Speaker 1: know what to do. He had no idea that cases
[2:39] Speaker 1: like Germaine's were being reviewed right at that moment.
[2:43] Speaker 4: I called the District Attorney's office and the asked for
[2:47] Speaker 4: Emily Maul and whoever answered the phone said she was busy.
[2:50] Speaker 4: He said, can I think a message? She'll call you back,
[2:53] Speaker 4: And I said, can I just tell you in ten
[2:55] Speaker 4: seconds or less, why I'm calling, and so as fast
[2:59] Speaker 4: as I could, and I explained the purpose from my call,
[3:04] Speaker 4: and his tone changed and the sense of urgency changed,
[3:07] Speaker 4: and he said, hold on one second. And it seems
[3:11] Speaker 4: like in less than a second, she was on the phone.
[3:14] Speaker 4: She proceeded to say, this is so crazy. His case
[3:20] Speaker 4: file is on my desk right now.
[3:25] Speaker 1: While the director was talking with the DA's office, Bobby
[3:28] Speaker 1: called his dad.
[3:30] Speaker 5: I just told him you might see my picture on
[3:33] Speaker 5: the front page of the New York Times as this
[3:35] Speaker 5: horrible monster, and I'm sorry for embarrassing you, but I
[3:45] Speaker 5: gotta do this. He just told me you loved me.
[3:54] Speaker 5: They just do what I had to do. That was
[3:57] Speaker 5: the best response I could have asked for, really, because
[4:01] Speaker 5: I was always worried about what it was going to
[4:03] Speaker 5: make him look like, you know, how it was going
[4:05] Speaker 5: to reflect on the family.
[4:09] Speaker 1: You've heard throughout this series that Jermaine was convicted of
[4:12] Speaker 1: armed robbery in two thousand by a jury vote of
[4:16] Speaker 1: ten to two. So here's the thing. When I started
[4:20] Speaker 1: working on this series, I didn't know that a person
[4:22] Speaker 1: in the United States could be convicted of a crime
[4:26] Speaker 1: without all twelve jurors agreeing. I mean, that's a mistrial right.
[4:32] Speaker 1: I assumed unanimity was a given, but it wasn't. Two
[4:37] Speaker 1: states allowed non unanimous jury verdicts, Oregon, which began the
[4:42] Speaker 1: practice in nineteen thirty four, and Louisiana that state started
[4:47] Speaker 1: it in eighteen eighty. But in twenty eighteen, when Louisiana
[4:51] Speaker 1: citizens voted to end non unanimous juries, the state had
[4:56] Speaker 1: a big problem. They had thousands of people behind bars
[5:01] Speaker 1: because of non unanimous verdicts. So Louisiana started offering many
[5:06] Speaker 1: of them plea deals with the opportunity to get out
[5:09] Speaker 1: of prison, and Jermaine was one of them. All he
[5:14] Speaker 1: had to do was sign a guilty plea for the
[5:18] Speaker 1: armed robbery of Bobby Gumpride, a crime we all know
[5:22] Speaker 1: never happened at all.
[5:24] Speaker 3: I was actually going to plead guilty to that crime.
[5:28] Speaker 3: To da Jason Williams was giving me quite a quit
[5:31] Speaker 3: sign serve, and I was actually going and take that
[5:34] Speaker 3: to get out of that place. I didn't care anymore.
[5:39] Speaker 3: I need to get home to my kids, I need
[5:41] Speaker 3: to get my life back home. It's right, y'all can
[5:43] Speaker 3: have that conviction. I just want to get out of.
[5:45] Speaker 1: Here Jermaine had always maintained his innocence, but wasn't standing
[5:54] Speaker 1: on ceremony anymore. And this deal, this plea agreement, was
[5:59] Speaker 1: the reason that You're Main's file was on the desk
[6:02] Speaker 1: of Emily Maw at the District Attorney's office. She was
[6:07] Speaker 1: overseeing a newly created civil rights division. One of her
[6:11] Speaker 1: responsibilities was to identify cases eligible for post conviction relief.
[6:17] Speaker 1: Maybe it was coincidence, maybe it was an act of God,
[6:21] Speaker 1: but while she was reviewing Jermaine Hudson's case for the
[6:24] Speaker 1: plea deal, she got a call from the director of
[6:28] Speaker 1: the faith based rehab. I told you about a place
[6:31] Speaker 1: of restoration. Jeremy Smith had just heard Bobby Gumpright's story
[6:38] Speaker 1: about making up false testimony. Here's Emily Maw.
[6:43] Speaker 6: He says, there's a man in here who, when he
[6:45] Speaker 6: was nineteen years old, lived about a person who had
[6:49] Speaker 6: committed a crime against him, and he'd fueled a lot
[6:51] Speaker 6: of his challenges over the years as alcohol and drug abuse,
[6:55] Speaker 6: and he just really wants to speak to somebody about it.
[6:58] Speaker 6: And I asked who the person was. He said it
[7:00] Speaker 6: was Jermaine Hudson. And I had said, that's interesting because
[7:03] Speaker 6: that's the case that on our radar at.
[7:04] Speaker 1: The moment, Emily and her team were looking at cases
[7:08] Speaker 1: like Germaine's and trying to find compromised solutions.
[7:13] Speaker 6: One of the things that the Civil Rights Division was
[7:15] Speaker 6: going to try to do is deal with the very
[7:16] Speaker 6: extreme sentencing that had come out of abuse of what
[7:19] Speaker 6: we call the Multiple Bill. In order to perish.
[7:22] Speaker 3: Over many many.
[7:22] Speaker 1: Years after Jermaine was convicted of arm robbery, prosecutors filed
[7:27] Speaker 1: a multiple bill, Louisiana's habitual Offender enhancement. The law was
[7:33] Speaker 1: designed to remove people from society who were deemed dangerous.
[7:38] Speaker 1: It allowed Jermaine's sentence to be dramatically increased because of
[7:42] Speaker 1: his past. His priors included a juvenile case from when
[7:46] Speaker 1: he was fourteen when he was a passenger in a
[7:48] Speaker 1: stolen car, and a carjacking conviction. The victim later told
[7:53] Speaker 1: us he never actually saw Jermaine commit. With a multiple
[7:58] Speaker 1: bill in place, was sentenced to ninety nine years, effectively
[8:02] Speaker 1: life in prison for a crime with no DNA, no
[8:06] Speaker 1: physical evidence, and no one physically harmed. And Jermaine wasn't alone.
[8:13] Speaker 1: Scores of young black men in Louisiana received similar extreme
[8:17] Speaker 1: sentences under the same law.
[8:20] Speaker 6: People serving life without the possibility of Parolva having a
[8:22] Speaker 6: rock of crack because it was their third rock of crack.
[8:25] Speaker 6: At the district attorney had said, I'm going to invoke
[8:27] Speaker 6: the multiple Bill, which gave the judge zero to very
[8:30] Speaker 6: little discretion of sentencing.
[8:32] Speaker 1: In just three days time, Jermayne was scheduled to sign
[8:35] Speaker 1: the play agreement and take responsibility for the crime. He
[8:39] Speaker 1: had no idea that Bobby had recanted his testimony, and
[8:43] Speaker 1: he never dreamed that the whole thing was fabricated.
[8:48] Speaker 4: I get chills. I still get chills thinking about it.
[8:52] Speaker 4: That's the thing that blew my minds, Like this man's
[8:54] Speaker 4: been in prison for twenty two years, and this was
[8:58] Speaker 4: all happening right in front of me. Bobby Gumpride had
[9:04] Speaker 4: been a drifter for twenty years, living all around the country,
[9:08] Speaker 4: and found himself in New Orleans three months after a
[9:12] Speaker 4: new district attorney takes over, wanting to confess and make
[9:16] Speaker 4: his wrongs right, when if he'd ha showed up six
[9:19] Speaker 4: months before, it might not even have been possible. And
[9:22] Speaker 4: so it just all seemed very providential, like this was
[9:28] Speaker 4: supposed to happen, and supposed to happen in this way.
[9:33] Speaker 1: A lawyer from the DA's office took Bobby's statement, and
[9:36] Speaker 1: then the office contacted Judge Nandie Campbell. The judge had
[9:41] Speaker 1: heard the name Jermine Hudson before. Here's Judge Campbell.
[9:48] Speaker 7: The first time he came in front of me. He
[9:50] Speaker 7: was part of this group. I think the DA's office
[9:53] Speaker 7: was calling it the Jim Crow project. He was one
[9:57] Speaker 7: of sixteen people that day. Jermaine was definitely on the
[10:03] Speaker 7: list to come in and plead guilty just to get
[10:06] Speaker 7: out of jail. It was a really emotional day to do.
[10:11] Speaker 7: Please and sentencing. In Jermaine's case, there was oppressive center thing.
[10:17] Speaker 7: It was a non unanimous jury.
[10:19] Speaker 1: Ironically, the DA's office had been looking for Bobby, the
[10:23] Speaker 1: guy who at the time claimed to be the victim,
[10:26] Speaker 1: to talk with him about relief for Jermaine.
[10:29] Speaker 7: They were spending time trying to reach out to the
[10:32] Speaker 7: victim in that case, and it was during that gap
[10:36] Speaker 7: that everything started to unfold, which is incredible because the
[10:41] Speaker 7: timing of that is really significant. Mister Hudson was going
[10:48] Speaker 7: to come in and plead just to get out of jail.
[10:55] Speaker 1: Judge Campbell was away on vacation when she first got
[10:58] Speaker 1: the news and a copy of Bobby his statement recanting his.
[11:02] Speaker 7: Testimony, I just was blown away.
[11:06] Speaker 1: Meanwhile, the District Attorney's office was hustling to get Jermaine's
[11:09] Speaker 1: case resolved.
[11:12] Speaker 6: We did our level best to verify what this person
[11:15] Speaker 6: had told us, but everything about the circumstances of it
[11:19] Speaker 6: had seemed to rain very true. I think within a
[11:22] Speaker 6: day or two you managed to get the case back
[11:25] Speaker 6: into court. I do remember Judge Campbell assembled all her
[11:28] Speaker 6: style at Zoom so that we could deal with mister
[11:30] Speaker 6: Hudson's case immediately.
[11:33] Speaker 1: Judge Campbell's staff moved quickly once they realized an innocent
[11:37] Speaker 1: man was still sitting in Angola.
[11:41] Speaker 7: And so I'm like, can we get this done today?
[11:44] Speaker 7: And my staff was like sure. And then my law
[11:51] Speaker 7: clerk had the start what she was doing, because we
[11:53] Speaker 7: needed somebody in the courtroom to do all the processing
[11:57] Speaker 7: so that he can get out of jet right away.
[12:00] Speaker 1: Judge Campbell had a visceral response to Jermaine's case. It
[12:05] Speaker 1: brought her back to an experience she had when she
[12:08] Speaker 1: was a defense attorney. One day, while she was climbing
[12:14] Speaker 1: the steps inside the courthouse, she saw a man struggling
[12:17] Speaker 1: to walk and to breathe.
[12:20] Speaker 7: I could tell he was thickly. He was a young
[12:23] Speaker 7: black guy, but you could tell he was ill. And
[12:26] Speaker 7: I said, sir, I said you okay, you need help,
[12:31] Speaker 7: And he said, I'm going up to Section G. I
[12:35] Speaker 7: was a victim and a case and I'm dying and
[12:41] Speaker 7: I need to go and give my testimony before I die.
[12:47] Speaker 7: It turned out that he was an inmate and he
[12:52] Speaker 7: was a young guy, and somebody told him one of
[12:56] Speaker 7: the ways he can get out of jail as if
[12:58] Speaker 7: he accused somebody and then they would think he was
[13:03] Speaker 7: in harm and he would get out of jail.
[13:07] Speaker 1: Those three men were given life sentences following their convictions
[13:10] Speaker 1: for rape.
[13:12] Speaker 7: And so he had accused these three guys of raping him,
[13:16] Speaker 7: and now he was dying and he wanted to clear
[13:18] Speaker 7: as conscious.
[13:20] Speaker 1: And this story would become eerily relevant to her again.
[13:24] Speaker 7: When the DA's office called me about miss that's some case,
[13:28] Speaker 7: I thought, wow, this is the same thing. I just
[13:33] Speaker 7: had flashbacks to the gentleman going up to Section G.
[13:38] Speaker 1: Jermaine was ready to sign that plea agreement and be
[13:40] Speaker 1: released finally from Angola. It was just a few more
[13:44] Speaker 1: days and then something strange happened out of nowhere. Dozens
[13:51] Speaker 1: and dozens of emails flooded his inbox in prison.
[13:56] Speaker 3: Well, when I got on a kious machine, I seen
[14:00] Speaker 3: almost sixty messages and I'm like, something is not right, man.
[14:06] Speaker 3: I don't even get these in a year. So when
[14:12] Speaker 3: I finally called, it was like, and you've been exonerated.
[14:25] Speaker 1: Jermaine Hudson was ready to plead guilty to armed robbery
[14:30] Speaker 1: and walk out of prison the deal was set. What
[14:33] Speaker 1: he didn't know was that Bobby Gumpbright had already recanted
[14:38] Speaker 1: his testimony, and that a quiet coalition inside the District
[14:42] Speaker 1: Attorney's office and the courthouse was working behind the scenes
[14:46] Speaker 1: on his behalf. And then Jermaine checked his email.
[14:51] Speaker 3: Well, when I got on a kios machine, I seen
[14:55] Speaker 3: almost sixty messages and I'm like, something is not right,
[15:00] Speaker 3: right man, I don't even get these in a year.
[15:05] Speaker 3: So when I finally called, it was like, and you've
[15:09] Speaker 3: been exonerated. The white boar, they was just that that's
[15:13] Speaker 3: the word they was using. The white boy had come
[15:15] Speaker 3: forward and say that he lied on you. And I'm like,
[15:18] Speaker 3: I still couldn't believe it. Just right when I was
[15:23] Speaker 3: getting ready to go take the time. I was honestly stunned.
[15:31] Speaker 3: I was stunned because I used to always pray to God.
[15:34] Speaker 3: I know I'm a good person. I know I have
[15:36] Speaker 3: a good haul, but what could I actually have done
[15:38] Speaker 3: to deserve this? I used to go, go, whatever you do,
[15:44] Speaker 3: please touch this manhoard and allow him to come forward
[15:46] Speaker 3: with the truth.
[15:49] Speaker 1: For Judge Campbell, this case was also unusual because it
[15:53] Speaker 1: moved so quickly.
[15:54] Speaker 7: Everybody was on board. This required the day's office they
[15:59] Speaker 7: called the Apartment of Correction. And of course this is
[16:02] Speaker 7: a testament to who Jermaine is, right because if he
[16:05] Speaker 7: wasn't a model person in DC, Noby in Doc was
[16:10] Speaker 7: going to be shuffling on to get him out.
[16:14] Speaker 1: Jermaine had told his family for years that he would
[16:16] Speaker 1: be coming home, and now it was a reality. Kristin Motley,
[16:22] Speaker 1: Germaine's ex girlfriend and mother of his daughter Tremia, found
[16:26] Speaker 1: out about Jermaine's release through a winding game of telephone.
[16:31] Speaker 8: My sister friend worked at the coreouse. She's any paperwork
[16:36] Speaker 8: and told my baby sister the line, and then the
[16:39] Speaker 8: line called me and she said, Christy is real. He's
[16:42] Speaker 8: coming home. His paperwork He's coming home any day. He's
[16:46] Speaker 8: coming home.
[16:47] Speaker 1: Kristin and Jermaine had broken up years ago, but she
[16:50] Speaker 1: still had feelings for him.
[16:53] Speaker 3: I was excited.
[16:53] Speaker 5: I was right.
[16:54] Speaker 8: I'm like, oh, I got to give myself the Yeah.
[16:58] Speaker 3: I got to get into the Yeah. That's all I
[17:01] Speaker 3: can say is like, yeah, you gotta get together.
[17:03] Speaker 8: Whatever you got going on, you gotta get it together.
[17:06] Speaker 3: His man coming home.
[17:09] Speaker 1: After the hearing with Judge Campbell and the District Attorney's office.
[17:13] Speaker 3: I wasn't in a dormitory five minutes when they come
[17:17] Speaker 3: in there. Man, get all your stuff and let's go.
[17:20] Speaker 3: If you bring you to the hospital, so you get
[17:22] Speaker 3: your check up, take your COVID shot, and make sure
[17:24] Speaker 3: you are right. Call you people, let you people know
[17:27] Speaker 3: to come pick you up.
[17:29] Speaker 1: He had spent nearly twenty two agonizingly slow years incarcerated
[17:35] Speaker 1: at Angola. Now his time was coming to an end.
[17:39] Speaker 1: This was the moment he dreamed about, prayed about, and
[17:43] Speaker 1: on March twenty six, twenty twenty one, Jermaine Hudson walked
[17:47] Speaker 1: out of the Louisiana State Penitentiary a free man.
[17:52] Speaker 4: That was.
[17:56] Speaker 3: My defining moment. When I look back at that sign
[18:01] Speaker 3: and say you're now entering a real prison. Welcome to me,
[18:05] Speaker 3: and go to Louisiana. I always say, I'm leaving here
[18:12] Speaker 3: the same way I came out the front gate, and
[18:16] Speaker 3: that's the same way I left out the front gate.
[18:23] Speaker 3: The feeling of walking out Angola, it was like the
[18:28] Speaker 3: whole United States was lifted off of my shoulders.
[18:34] Speaker 1: Jermaine came to Christian and Jamia's home when he had
[18:37] Speaker 1: never been to before. Jamya heard him come through the
[18:41] Speaker 1: front door, her heart beating a mile a minute. Jemia,
[18:46] Speaker 1: the little girl he once carried everywhere as a baby,
[18:49] Speaker 1: saw her father outside prison for the first time.
[18:52] Speaker 2: She could remember when I.
[18:55] Speaker 3: First came my day.
[18:56] Speaker 8: I ran down the stairs so thanks, and I hunked
[19:02] Speaker 8: him and I jumped up.
[19:03] Speaker 1: But I was shaking.
[19:04] Speaker 5: Because I was so happy.
[19:07] Speaker 1: I could pinch him, like I'm like, you're real in
[19:10] Speaker 1: this room.
[19:12] Speaker 7: I was.
[19:12] Speaker 8: I didn't even to let him go.
[19:14] Speaker 1: Jemia was over the moon. Kristin was also happy to
[19:18] Speaker 1: see Jermaine, but she was cautious. A lot had happened
[19:22] Speaker 1: over their twenty two year separation. They had both become
[19:28] Speaker 1: involved with other people. Kristin had another daughter with a
[19:31] Speaker 1: long term partner, and Jermaine had become involved with another
[19:35] Speaker 1: woman while he was incarcerated. When he was released, he
[19:39] Speaker 1: went to live with that woman. It was a strange time,
[19:42] Speaker 1: feeling so much joy but also trepidation. Kristin wondered if
[19:48] Speaker 1: he was the same person she knew twenty two years ago.
[19:52] Speaker 8: I didn't know how we were going to feel extually,
[19:54] Speaker 8: because he asked me one time before on the phone.
[19:56] Speaker 8: He was like, how you think we're gonna feel when
[19:59] Speaker 8: we see each other again?
[20:00] Speaker 7: I come on, and I was like, I don't know.
[20:03] Speaker 8: I really don't know how we're gonna feel. I didn't
[20:06] Speaker 8: find out he came home to another woman, so they
[20:13] Speaker 8: were together. I knew that all eyes was gonna be
[20:17] Speaker 8: on me. They knew the love we have for each other,
[20:19] Speaker 8: and I think everybody just waiting to see, like what's
[20:23] Speaker 8: gonna happen. I didn't really want to be about me.
[20:28] Speaker 8: I really really wanted to be about my daughter because
[20:31] Speaker 8: she yearned for that day more than anything.
[20:36] Speaker 1: But they did see each other and it was strange
[20:38] Speaker 1: for a bit.
[20:40] Speaker 8: And he gave me a hug and he just held
[20:42] Speaker 8: me and I was like, yeah, we're not done. I
[20:48] Speaker 8: can feel his energy like, yeah, we're not done, it's
[20:53] Speaker 8: not over.
[20:56] Speaker 1: Christian was right, it wasn't over decades past, but the
[21:00] Speaker 1: feelings were still there. He and Christian fell all the
[21:05] Speaker 1: way back in love again.
[21:08] Speaker 3: Once I actually got my family back, everything that I
[21:12] Speaker 3: wanted to do was already in my mind. It was
[21:15] Speaker 3: already in my heart. That's why the process was so smooth,
[21:17] Speaker 3: because I already seen this. I seen this vision. I
[21:21] Speaker 3: seen this dream. I've really spoken into existence. I knew
[21:27] Speaker 3: what I had to do.
[21:29] Speaker 1: They were still Germane and Christian, the kids who met
[21:32] Speaker 1: in the nineteen nineties, but now they were older and wiser.
[21:36] Speaker 3: I got us. So to have my family back is
[21:40] Speaker 3: one of the ultimate, one of the most ultimate blessings
[21:42] Speaker 3: the man can ever receive. After coming home off for
[21:45] Speaker 3: a ninety nine year sentence.
[21:53] Speaker 1: Bobby Gumprice had thought coming clean after holding a lie
[21:56] Speaker 1: for more than two decades would solve all his problem.
[22:00] Speaker 1: He was still at the rehab a place of restoration
[22:03] Speaker 1: when he found out Germaine had been freed.
[22:06] Speaker 9: The director of the program comes to me with a
[22:08] Speaker 9: news article saying that Germaine had been released after twenty
[22:12] Speaker 9: two years The very next day.
[22:26] Speaker 1: Only a day after Bobby gave his deposition. Recanting his testimony,
[22:31] Speaker 1: Germaine was freed from Angola Prison.
[22:35] Speaker 2: Bobby, how did you feel when you found out about that?
[22:38] Speaker 5: I fell on my knees. I just thank god, That's
[22:49] Speaker 5: all I could do.
[22:55] Speaker 1: Jermaine's release would not come without challenges for both him
[22:58] Speaker 1: and Bobby. Jermaine learned that the world had gone on
[23:02] Speaker 1: without him. Wasn't nineteen ninety nine anymore. He was walking
[23:06] Speaker 1: into a new world.
[23:09] Speaker 3: When I first came home, everything was moving so fast.
[23:13] Speaker 3: It's like when you incarcerated for twenty two years. You
[23:18] Speaker 3: used to seeing the same thing over and over again
[23:21] Speaker 3: then in day out. So now you're into the real world.
[23:25] Speaker 3: Now you got to readjust My toughest adjustment was technology.
[23:33] Speaker 3: It was my toughest adjustment because we don't have technology incarcerated.
[23:39] Speaker 3: Now we use a phone for everything. Before you had
[23:43] Speaker 3: to go to the company to fill out a job.
[23:45] Speaker 3: Now you got Indeed and ZIP recruiter. You have those
[23:50] Speaker 3: things where you fill out applications.
[23:54] Speaker 1: Jermaine was starting a new life.
[23:56] Speaker 5: But Bobby, after I heard Germaine was set free, I
[24:03] Speaker 5: just breathed a sigh of relief. I thought that I
[24:08] Speaker 5: could move on with my life at that point, and
[24:12] Speaker 5: I figured that that was the only thing that was
[24:14] Speaker 5: holding me back all those years, and that had been
[24:19] Speaker 5: taken care of, and now I was good to go.
[24:25] Speaker 5: So against their advice, I ended up leaving that rehab
[24:29] Speaker 5: and going back to New Orleans, and within a few
[24:33] Speaker 5: weeks I was back to using drugs and drinking.
[24:37] Speaker 2: Do you know why? Do you know what triggered it?
[24:41] Speaker 9: My environment?
[24:43] Speaker 5: Yeah, I went straight back to the environment that I
[24:46] Speaker 5: got sick in, thinking that I was gonna do something different,
[24:51] Speaker 5: but I hadn't changed any of my thinking. I still
[24:58] Speaker 5: had a lot of baggage and it's still lot of
[25:00] Speaker 5: bad habits that I had to deal with.
[25:03] Speaker 1: The rehab program was supposed to be nine months. There
[25:06] Speaker 1: was still work Bobby had to do. Director Jeremy Smith
[25:10] Speaker 1: knew Bobby wasn't ready to leave rehab, but there wasn't
[25:13] Speaker 1: anything he could do.
[25:18] Speaker 4: The program had to start with just dealing with his
[25:20] Speaker 4: own issues, and I think in one way, letting go
[25:25] Speaker 4: of the guilt of what he had done and confessing
[25:28] Speaker 4: and the whole thing, it was obviously very freeing for him.
[25:34] Speaker 1: But that confession had also gotten in the way of
[25:37] Speaker 1: the help Bobby desperately needed.
[25:40] Speaker 4: I knew that the reason that he accused Jermaine Hudson
[25:43] Speaker 4: in the first place is that he was already in
[25:46] Speaker 4: drug and alcohol addiction at a very young age. And
[25:49] Speaker 4: I know that twenty five years of dysfunction isn't healed
[25:52] Speaker 4: in twenty five minutes. There was a lot of growing
[25:58] Speaker 4: left to be done.
[26:01] Speaker 1: Bobby didn't realize that he left the program after one month,
[26:05] Speaker 1: eight months before he was supposed to the director of
[26:09] Speaker 1: the rehab saw the writing on the wall.
[26:12] Speaker 4: He convinced himself pretty quickly that that was the reason
[26:14] Speaker 4: that he had been using and that once that had
[26:18] Speaker 4: been dealt with, there wasn't much else to do. We
[26:22] Speaker 4: could always assume that he wasn't going to make good decisions.
[26:25] Speaker 1: We left, and he was right. Things were about to
[26:30] Speaker 1: get much worse for Bobby. And you won't believe who
[26:34] Speaker 1: came to his rescue.
[26:38] Speaker 5: And at that moment, I just put my hands in
[26:41] Speaker 5: the air, and then the police showed up and they
[26:45] Speaker 5: arrested me.
[26:50] Speaker 1: That's next time on Burden of Guilt. Thank you for listening.
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[27:33] Speaker 1: a production of Glass Podcasts, a division of Glass Entertainment Group,
[27:37] Speaker 1: in partnership with iHeart Podcasts. The series is executive produced
[27:42] Speaker 1: and hosted by me Nancy Glass. This episode was written
[27:46] Speaker 1: and produced by Carrie Hartman, also produced by Ben Fetterman
[27:51] Speaker 1: and Andrea Gunning. Our story editor is Monique Leboard. Our
[27:56] Speaker 1: associate producer is Jade abdul Malik. Production manager is Kristin Melcurie.
[28:03] Speaker 1: Our iHeart team is Ali Perry and Jessica Crincheck. Audio
[28:08] Speaker 1: editing by Zach Prutteau, Scoring and sound designed by Matt Delvecchio,
[28:14] Speaker 1: mixed and mastered by Anna McLean. The Burden of Guilt
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