# 'World War I with Drones': Bradley Bowman

An episode of [NatSec Matters](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1711240452), 23 Jul 2025, 52 min.

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Michael Allen talks with Foundation for Defense of Democracies' Bradley Bowman, who attacks the myth that supporting Ukraine has weakened America's defenses for Taiwan. Bradley, who's senior director of the Center on Military and Political Power, details how the war in Ukraine has become a brutal "World War I with drones"-- an attrition battle where crucial aid is still needed.

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