# Beijing's Long Game: Mike Studeman

An episode of [NatSec Matters](https://invisiblenetwork.ai/podcast/1711240452), 14 May 2025, 47 min.

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Michael Allen talks with retired rear admiral and China expert Mike Studeman about the geopolitical implications of President Trump's trade negotiations with China and US policy to counter Chinese influence and threats. Mike, former Commander of the Office of Naval Intelligence, discusses how China might exploit an "America First" orientation, the critical importance of Taiwan for US economic and national security, and the strategic calculations behind Xi Jinping's timeline for potential military action.

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